>Low memory is an issue, but the hardest part is that it's a device so similar to Series X while having awkwardly lower performance. When porting to Switch 2, developers can shift their mindset to 'Switch 2 is a distinct device for Nintendo fans!' But with Xbox, after delivering your absolute best output, it feels like having to do extra work for a slightly weaker child.>"Furthermore, in markets like the US, there are more Series S users than Series X users, so we can't just cut corners. Yet after launch, Series S users direct their complaints at us developers rather than Microsoft, asking 'Why is texture resolution lower only on Series S?'"https://www.eurogamer.net/katsuhiro-harada-xbox-series-s-wish-it-wouldnt-release
>>751394924He's not wrong. Series S was a blemish on Xbox's console division and ultimately did more damage to the brand as well as overall gaming than anything else.
Series S on paper isn't a bad idea, it's just the inverse of what you really want, which is optional "Pro" performance, rather than mandatory "Lite" design limitations that hurt the overall product.The switch gets away with it because it's usually not going for day 1 AAA releases, games that do are usually not super demanding.
>>751394924Shut the fuck up Harada, you ruined Tekken. Go back to your shame cube, your opinions don't matter anymore
ABSOLUTE MADMAN SHITTING ON XBAWKS GO HOME
>>751394924A shoddy craftsman always blames his tools. Devs used to release games for consoles with kilobytes of memory. Also fuck modern consoles.
>>751394924>PLEASE DONT MAKE ME ADD A SETTINGS MENU PLEASE!!!!!!don't you have Tekken 8 to go fix?
>>751395175How did he ruin tekken when tekken only exists because of him?
>>751394924From what he says the issue isn't getting the game running (obviously), rather it's getting it running and looking good which is difficult. And if you release a game looking like shit people will complain. Well, good. Optimize your shit. And as the polish dude said, any optimizations meant for Series S mean the game can be better optimized on other systems as well.
>>751395581He took the game he made, and get this.....he made it terrible.....
>>751394924Of course he'd say nothing against daddy Shigeru
>>751395961He said tendies have no standards
>>751395581> hurr How did george lucas ruin Star Wars when he created it?
>Optimize for SwitchNo problem>Optimize for the gaijin consoleHELLO HUMAN RESOURCES
>>751396143Harada hates Nintendo as well lol.
>>751394924>it's okay when nintendo does itabsolutely WHIPPED, maybe shift your mindset when making games for ecksbawks, then
>>751396143Harada is the biggest Snoy in Japan, he was begging Japanese people on twitter to buy a PS5 instead of a Switch.
>>751395003>Series S was a blemish on Xbox's console division and ultimately did more damage to the brand Nah, that would have to be the Xbox One. They literally were ahead in the race with Xbox 360. Then they shot themselves in the foot with Xbox One.
a used series S is like 100 euros, all we need is jailbreaking and it becomes legit the most affordable gaming device maybe ever? IIRC the series S is the equivalent of a PC on a gtx 1660 super
>>751395581>>751395712>>751396109Harada did not make Tekken you retards
Splitting console lines inside a generation by performance and cost was always a mistake. It DOES overburden developers who now cannot optimize and take advantage of developing for a platform where everything is known ahead of time. Sony does this too with the "pro" line. It should really stop.If you're going to game on console, it'll have lower performance. Full stop. Not spend $200 more and get a little better performance. If you want that, buy a PC.
>>751396549>They literally were ahead in the race with Xbox 360.The PS3 was starting to overtake the 360 right before the Xbox One announcement, actually. The Xbox One reveal just took what already ruined the 360's momentum in its latter years and cranked it up to 11 (at least "11" by 2013 standards).
>>751394924The series S and the PS4 are responsible for 60fps being the norm now.
>>751396641He was lead on every tekken anyone gives a shit about
>>751395593>And as the polish dude said, any optimizations meant for Series S mean the game can be better optimized on other systems as well.That's the problem. The series S, no matter what a dev does, is going to look and perform worse than the series X. THERE IS NO WINNING. Either you handicap X to S specs, or you let S owners suffer for their cheapness.Consoles should have one standard of performance and hardware specs, and the only changes should be like PS2 and PS2 slim. Same hardware and specs, different form factor as chips got smaller. The value of a console is that devs can HYPER optimize to fit the exact specs and platform and take advantage of little specific tricks on the console to max out performance. If you want better specs and a billion platforms, develop for PC. It's Xbox's fuck up to have two different consoles in the same generation and brand them so similarly. Same as Sony and the Pro lines.
>>751395535Harada not longer works for bamco, they need to re-structuring the whole companyBecause they thought geo blocking countries by purchasing any game from steam is a good idea. Also. Unknown 9, blue protocol and a random shooter were concords flops, so they need to clean house fast.>>751395581>Pic RelatedI just wanted to nerf the heat on season 2, not the gross stance slop of Pic Related agenda. I'm glad his regime has come to an end with Roger jr.
>>751394924low moral yamato.
>>751396562For me, a jailbroken XSS would be far more interesting as an emulation device for PS2 games. Imagine if modders were able to jailbreak and optimize the performance of emulators on the XSS.
>>751396892Bandai execs have been kicking out everyone who dared criticize their retarded creative vision so good luck restructuring that without buying a shitload of shares and having them banished lmao
>>751394924Just shut the fuck up and do your job, slant eye
>>751394924>literally goes 'it's okay when nintendo does it'What a little weasel. Gonna be fun watching his new studio go under, whatever the fuck it is even is.
>>751394924They got Gears of War E-Day running 120fps on the Series S. This incompetent gook just doesn't know how to optimize games for modern consoles.
>>751397431I somewhat get what he's saying, but yeah it is a retarded comparison. The series S was a budget box for poorfags and the series X was the real deal, both of these existed at the same time. The switch was less powerful than a series S and was the ONLY option for Nintendo, so scapegoating it with "But the switch 2 exists now" is retarded.
>>751394924ok
>>751396641Harada was part of the team from day one, by Tekken 3 he was one of the project leads, by Tekken 4 he was pretty much ruling over Tekken. When Harada became a division director at Namco by Tekken 7 he still stayed around Tekken when he had no reason at that point.
>>751396881>That's the problem.That's not a problem lol. The Series S is the low end model. People who buy it know it. The expectation is lower resolution and lower settings. The complaints come when a game is underperforming compared to other releases on the console for no apparent reason. There's a difference between a game pushing boundaries making the necessary compromises and generic AAA sloppa #436 running like shit for no reason.>The series S, no matter what a dev does, is going to look and perform worse than the series XThat's the point, different models that feature different specs at different price points. So if you don't care about graphics as much and are playing on a lower resolution display, you can spend less money on a console than you otherwise would have. It's great to have that option.>Consoles should have one standard of performance and hardware specsWhy?Multiplatform developers in the past had to develop for radically different systems by the way. Not just different microarchitectures, but completely different performance profiles as well. OG Xbox's GPU was many times more powerful than the PS2's, for instance. Series X and S are part of the same platform. Going from one to the other is like going from Switch docked to handheld. Should the Switch go away too?
>>751395020>sell half the game to poorfags for $20>act surprised when they ask why you gave them something shitty Take some responsibilty, fool
>>751394924Are there really more Series S owners than Series X? Everyone I know that has an xbox (which isn't many actually) have a Series X. I had to look it up assuming the Series S was only $100 cheaper but it was actually $200 cheaper than the X so it's not really that surprising I guess.
>>751394924>Tekkenkek who gives a fuck what he thinks
>>751396915you can already do all that with developer mode. I emulate ps3 games on my series S
>>751397996Before all the component bullshit, the series s could be nabbed on sale for as low as $200. Multiple phone carries and ISPs were giving them away for free when you switched to their service. I got a series s, $50 Xbox card and $100 Amazon card for switching from Xfinity to FiOS a few years ago.
>>751397892If anything it's the devs being retarded with this weird idea that "Series S needs to look and play as good as Series X" when you have literally the easiest out of "Yeah sorry, you're playing it on series S that's gonna happen, but it looks gorgeous on Series X"
>>751398431Thing is if a game is running like absolute shit on SS it is likely it is also running like shit (proportionally) on SX. If your Series X version is looking great then it should scale fine down to the S.Look at something like Stranger of Paradise: Final Fantasy Origin. Yes, the Series S version looks disgusting. But the game is still very much ugly to look at on PS5/SX.
>>751394924>Released Tekken 8 and runs without fixing itHe's full of shit
>>751396143>>Optimize for Switch>No problem>>Optimize for the gaijin console>HELLO HUMAN RESOURCESYes because the Switch sold tens of millions. Series S was a retarded forced mandate that no one bought.
>>751399235>"Furthermore, in markets like the US, there are more Series S users than Series X usersLearn to read you fucking Indian shitskin
>>751397150Bandai is the lost cousin of SE, they will get it on some point, also. Bamco is now on Nintendo Mines to reduce the debt.
>>751394924His games release on PC so they should already be developed with a wide range of hardware in mind. Steam hardware surveys show that a large part of that market play on hardware weaker than the Series S. I really don't understand what the issue is with scaling it to the Series S hardware.Devs have all this power to work with and most still can't make games that look better than Arkham Knight or the Witcher 3
>>751399235>turn off post processing effects>lower render resolution>lower shadow resolutionAYEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME MIYAMOTO!!!!
>>751399428>Learn to read you fucking Indian shitskinYes yes yes. We all know spics love this piece of shit. It still doesn't mean that it sold hard numbers. >>751400650>headcanon devEndless devs have said developing for the Series S is a pointless waste of time and money.
>>751394924>former Tekken director And who's he now?
I have a Series S and most games run terribly on it, even Microsoft's own games. I only use it these days to play Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas and Oblivion.
>>751400992Those run terribly too.
>>751400868Sure, I'm just saying it's a trivial amount of work
>>751394924The lack of RAM parity was obviously a mistake but maybe MS was looking forward at future RAM prices and knew better
>>751394924PS360 were garbage but the limitations made devs actually need to fix their fucking games a little. Devs need the shitboxes so they actually optimize their goddamn games.
>>751401204>Sure, I'm just saying it's a trivial amount of work>source: the assyou are a stubborn retard.
>>751394924>Hates having to do two versions for one platform>Hates that the weaker device is more popular>Hates that its fans complain about their lesser experienceFair enough.
You know, if the Series S existed in the past a lot more people would be giving devs the benefit of the doubtNowadays though, with so many games coming out unoptimized (on every platform) I think most gamers realize the average dev is lazy/incompetent
>>751396549>They literally were ahead in the race with Xbox 360More like they ran ahead half-cocked and got a console that would melt itself and it cost them a billion in returns and warranty extensions.
>>751401914Okay harada, I'm sure it's really hard, which is why you've got a studio of gamedevs and not a studio of software developers
>>751402398what the fuck does that even mean. it doesn't matter if your headcanon says it's hard or not. it's still a costly waste of time.
>>751402525>waste of timeWelcome to adult daycare
>>751394924if the switch 2 is weaker than the S why is he complaining about optimizing for the S? Wouldnt the switch be the matter of annoyance?
>>751400992You are straight up lying.
>>751402525>waste of timeFor who?The customer gets a better product.In that same article>Sasko stepped up to offer some perks to the Series S. While he agreed that many players the full technical context behind the Series S' weaknesses, he pointed out that optimisation for weaker hardware like the Series S made games run "significantly better" across all platforms. He even had a Cyberpunk 2077 example, as optimisation work done for the Switch 2 version were applied to all platforms "to great effect". Sasko also pointed to the affordability side of the argument, saying that the cheaper price of the Series S allows for market expansion.
People hate the series s because it was $250 new at one point and now it's like $700. It's just a 1080p Xbox series x. I'll take it. I like mine.
>>751396549>They literally were ahead in the race with Xbox 360not in europe, where are the xbox ads
>>751402724It's a given that the Switch version will be shitty and less powerful, but in the eyes of the consumer they view the Series S as equivalent to the PS5. It might not actually be the case but that doesn't really matter as far as a developer is concerned, which is why he makes a point that consumers complain about what his development studio does rather than at Microsoft for releasing a console markedly below the competition while marketing otherwise.
>>751402893>view the series S as the same as a ps5I don't think anyone sees it that way
>>751402893>in the eyes of the consumer they view the Series S as equivalent to the PS5Literally no one thinks this, what are you even going on about
>>751394924It's pretty funny seeing Xbots online getting butthurt about what he said.
>>751402939Harada disagrees with you.
What Xbox did in the 360 days was better they had an "arcade" version without an HDD that was cheaper while still having the same power as the standard 360. Having a weaker model that still has to play everything is a mistake.
>>751402893So this bitch ass nigga is complaining about receiving complains?
>>751403012I would say he's complaining about having to actually optimize his games as the Cyberpunk guy brought up.
>>751394924Asking for more memory for a garbage fighting game???????
They could've released Series S a year earlier so everyone understands X is the Pro model.
>>751397918Maybe the poors should up their money?
>>751399235>Yes because the Switch sold tens of millionsWhy are nuggies like this...
>>751402989Harada also made Tekken 8
>>751403147>They could've released Series S a year earlier so everyone understands X is the Pro model.You can release the console any time. You can't force devs to optimise their games for a console with such a low adoption rate.
Xbox isnt doing so hot now and Im all in on PS5 Pro for 9th gen but Ill always love those first 2 consoles. I was the biggest and most annoying X Drone in the world and I stand by it.
>>751396143>>751396490>>751397431See, this is were people mess up and let dumb-asses like these be in good company on the internet. Nintendo is a Video Game/Toy Company first and foremost with Sony and Microsoft running a "division" dedicated to video games. Xbox is competing with Sony for pushing out bullshit "powerful" hardware with no testing so the questions are justified in why they keep complaining about their graphics being worst than said other company system. That being said, Harada is just being fucking lazy and incompetent, as always.
>>751394924>But with Xbox, after delivering your absolute best output, it feels like having to do extra work for a slightly weaker childSounds like he was going about it backwards. Develop for the Series S first, then look at what easy upgrades you can make on the X.
>>751405320It's easier to put the PS5 tier version they're probably starting with first on the Series X than start with the weakest system.
>>751405320>Develop for the Series S first>dude just develop for the console with no sales
