>OoT ends up outselling BotW or TotK >Nintendo sees this as people wanting Traditional Zelda again and orders Aonuma to stop his BotW single row item garbage and go back to this formula>If he refuses he gets demoted like Koizumi>Either way we get Traditional Zelda back and Open World Slop BotW that has DESTROYED so many Nintendo games over the past decade is GONE FOR GOOD I'm so happy bros....The dark age of Zelda is finally over!!!
Same. It's been rough, it's been rough...I hope neo/v/ will stop worshipping BotW once true Zelda returns.
Yeah that's not gonna happen. BOTW lifetime sales are 36 million since 2017. OoT failed to beat TOTK's sales in its first week. The steam will run out and open world Zelda will still be deemed more profitable. The only lesson N will learn from this is more remakes of old games
>>751394926Oot is outdated, you enjoy your little side order of nostalgia right now, but that's all it is.
>make new coke>give it some time>go back to classic coke
>>751395189Oot is already doing better than BotW in its first week!
>>751394926They are literally incapable of making traditional Zelda. The closest they got was Skyward Sword, which had 2 years of delay and followed a formula that was closer to a rigidly linear Super Mario Sunshine than Ocarina of Time.The level of coordination and initiative required to get a game like that out of the door in a reasonable timeframe just isn't there anymore.Even if older, more experienced management that actually wanted to be there took over they'd be working with a team that bled most of its competent veterans in the 2000s due to Aonuma and Miyamoto's autism and has been mostly supplemented by outsourcing slopfarms like the Xenoblade studio.
>>751395221This
>>751394926It's almost like having a small world full of shit is 10x more enjoyable than some massive empty as fuck open world
>>751395534Botw is traditional Zelda, you want formulaic Zelda, we still have some in stock it's in the back.
They need a decade for a copy pasted BoTW. They can release this in a quarter of the time. But we won't get any original classic Zelda either way, only remakes. So the situation is monkey pawed either way.
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>>751395221Anon gets it
>>751395189>BOTW lifetime sales are 36 million since 2017. OoT failed to beat TOTK's sales in its first weekBy your logic Oot will sell like 50 million then, because botw only sold 3.84 million in its first month. There were 5x as many Switches when tears came out nigger, but this is probably bait.
>secondaries play BotW as their first Zelda because of the open world slop>They see it as a perfect game and ignore all criticism>Same with TotK because of more open world slop >Oot comes out and they're like "OH MY GOD, THIS IS WHAT A ZELDA GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE!?"you love to see it. Based Nintendo forcing Aonuma to stop sullying the Zelda name
>>751395189>OoT failed to beat TOTK's sales in its first week. Don't forget to mention about TotK>It sold 20 mill in 2023 but only 3 mill in 2024 and beyond, making it have HORRIFIC LEGSpeople only bought TotK because of the BotW hype. If you remove that, the 3 mill is indicative of how much TotK actually would've sold on its own
>>751395880NTA but there was nothing stopping anyone from rushing out to get a Switch 2 and a copy of Ocarina of Time.
>>751396025...besides the fact that in total it would cost $600, compared to the Switch 1 which only cost $400 for the console and BotWDumb dumb
>>751396024>the 3 mill is indicative of how much TotK actually would've sold on its ownlmao, it sold as much as it did, you fucking idiot
>>751396127Long story short, the next Zelda game will sell more than Oot, dumb dumb.
>>751394926So they finally understand why some were bitching about BotW for so long?
A moment for all of the Nintendo franchises that were forced into becoming open world slop due to BotW>Mario Kart>Pokemon (Gen 8 + Gen 9 + Legends)>Xenoblade>3D Mario (Bowser's Fury)>Kirby (not open world but was confirmed to be influenced by BotW's design)And the worst one for me personally>Metroid Prime 4We will never forget the decade of torment, but it will soon be over ...
>>751396274Explain why TotK didn't sell more than BotW dumb dumb.Doofus.Moron.
>>751395534They're capable they just overthink everything and are obsessed with inserting gimmicks. The best thing about games like Mario 64 and Oot was the gimmick was simply just making a 3D action adventure game and focusing on the fundamentals. All Oot had to do was create a very typical epic story about a boy being the chosen hero and going on an adventure, and create themed dungeons full of puzzles, traps, and enemies. Oot doesn't even have any particularly complex or creative puzzles compared to the shrines in botw, and yet the dungeons are so much more appealing.
>>751394926These intra-series rivalries are bizzarre. It’s happening in Fire Emblem too between FW and engage for some reason and it happened in Xenoblade. You don’t see this shit happen in Mario or even Pokemon, what causes this?
>>751394926I don't know why you have to pretend to be this delusional. Is it just to get people to engage with you?>>751396447>You don’t see this shit happen in Mario or even PokemonIt happens with pokemon. You just don't pay attention
>>751394926Makes me laugh at the defense of TotK.The possibility of it a new and superior sequel to the most hyped Nintendo game since a decade turned out to be a disappointing side grade that retroactively made the prequel bad because how little the sequel didIt's finally over.It may not be the exact old Zelda but it's better than the previous despite being a remake.
>>751395608There were times when I was playing the remake that I felt Hyrule field was still empty, then I remembered this is what botw and tears are except times 50, and that's 90% of what the game is, with the rest being mediocre "dungeons."
>>751395632Even deliberately trying to misunderstand Zelda 1 as open world doesn't make BotW/TotK similar to it in any way.It is also a joke to say that the games haven't been intensely formulaic.>Get separated from Zelda while exploring ancient precursor ruins>Zelda has a B-plot adventure without the player that is mostly implied and conveyed to the player with cutscenes after the fact>The player does nothing of importance to interact with the antagonist's plot, all of the challenges are arbitrary and usually imposed by your own side to test you, as accidents or because they don't like you>Zelda gets separated from the player in the past and remains in relative stasis until you finish doing all the busywork>Defeat Ganon and unseal Zelda in an epic momentThis describes the last three mainline Zeldas, that's the new Zelda formula.
>>751394926>OoT ends up outselling BotW or TotK This level of unc delusion is bonkers
>>751394926>If he refuses he gets demoted like KoizumiKoizumi is literally at the 2nd highest ranking position at Nintendo EPD behind Shinya Takahashi, he's an executive officer and Aonuma is not.
>>751396025You expect Oot to defy reality and have 90% attach rate with the Switch 2? Not even GTA 6 could do that.
I don't understand why there has to be this dichotomy. Zelda I was open world, and had dungeons, dungeon items, and a mostly linear progression. It's like the obvious key to satisfy both sides of the fanbase is right there.
>>751394926TotK sold 10 mil in 3 days thoughbeit, and it's unlikely any Zelda game ill ever touch BotW's lifetime sales.
>>751396956And yet Koizumi hasn't been allowed to do any meaningful creative stuff on games since Miyamoto got mad at him in GalaxyOddCurious
>>751395927>Oot comes out and they're like "OH MY GOD, THIS IS WHAT A ZELDA GAME IS SUPPOSED TO BE!?"Nah, I grew up with it, and I'd probably rank OoT the 6th-7th best Zelda.I'm simply not one for nostalgia, and able to recognize when something's aged.
>>751396660>The possibility of it a new and superior sequel to the most hyped Nintendo game since a decade turned out to be a disappointing side grade that retroactively made the prequel bad because how little the sequel didThe game made me feel embarrassed for being so hyped for it. But how can any of us blame ourselves? 6 years, all the groundwork already laid with botw, and what we got felt like glorified DLC. It was mind-boggling.
>>751394926We're finally done with BOTW styled Zelda. Open-air Zelda can stay, but we need to drop the weapon breaking, memory collection story telling and shrine focus of BOTW/TOTK and reincorporate tools and actuals dungeons even if that means non-linearity needs to be pealed back.
>>751397292He doesn't make video games anymore because he's an executive, that being said he was the one who told EPD 8 to make a new 3D Donkey Kong.
>>751394926>a remake of an old game means they will stop making new gamesweird cope
>>751397454You didn't answer my questionWHAT HAPPENEDAFTERMIYAMOTOGOTMAD
>>751394926>Ocarina of Time finally gets a reasonable sample size in reviews>Lower critic score than BotW and TotKThis kills the boomer.
>>751396447It's not much of a mystery. These franchises have drastically different formulas, and one of those formulas are going to strongly resonate with one group of the fans, while the other formula resonates with the other fans, so there are disagreements.
>>751396307The most recent Kirby game was actually fun though. I think HAL is somewhat firewalled from the rest of Nintendo.
>>751397552It has the same score as TotK Coper
>>751396857Passing botw is going to be tough, but tears? It's 1/4th of the way there in only 4 days and 1/6th of the install base tears has. 20% of Switch 2 owners bought the Oot remake in its first 4 days. The only delusion is not seeing how plausible it is.
I know this is just bait but why do some retards here and online genuinely think Nintendo will throw away everything they've worked for to appease you faggots. The ideal game they're pursuing is going to be a mix of old and new anyway
>>751396307Xenoblade predates open world zelda
>>751397912Catching up is a possibility but passing TOTK is unlikely to happen unless Nintendo themselves decide to remove it from the market
nothing makes me smile more than seeing the BotW fan squirm when newer Zelda fans claim that remake is a better experience than their game. They are in full cope and seethe mode right now
>>751396975old and nu-Zelda formula can co-exist. I haven't played Echoes of Wisdom yet because the art style + playing as Zelda is gay, but it seems like they sort of achieved that. Let's see how it would work out with a mainline 3D game by the Zelda team. I think Nintendo is just too much of a jew to handle both, there's always some downside, like they have to choose between open world with shitty dungeons or no open world with good dungeons.
>>751397292>allowedYou're fucking stupid. By your logic Miyamoto was also "demoted" since he hasn't directed a game since Super Mario 64. And many years ago Iwata was also "demoted" to the fucking president of the company, since he wasn't """allowed""" to program video games anymore after Pokemon Stadium.The only thing "odd" and "curious" is how comically limited your knowledge is of how every single office works. Have you ever even had a job, you dumb bitch?
>>751398437miyamoto is getting demoted from life right now
>>751397734>Didn't account for decimalsAnd you say I'm coping? Even Wind Waker's a better game.
>>751397385It was the worst thing about it to me. The open world probably would have been much more enjoyable if the gameplay didn't revolve around shitty resource management where it's just endless busywork and farming resources. I just want a permanent weapon with a fun moveset and cut some grass and pots for hearts and keep up the pace, and not having to worry about throwing 5 resources on the floor and fucking fusing them to my weapons so I can clear out a camp of the same 3 enemies I've been fighting for 100 hours, and spending 10 minutes throwing random bullshit into a pot to make meals.
>>751397552>Lower critic score than BotW and TotK>taking the opinions of game journalists seriouslyYeah I'm not going to listen to the faggots that gave botw 1.5 perfect scores.
>>751398270I wonder what the general consensus is among nu-Zelda zoomers who are playing Oot for the first time.
>>751394926I'm happy to see a return to traditional Zelda but I wish they didn't have to sloppify OoT to do it.
>>751399005No idea, but they're waking up.
>>751394926>Add jump button >Can no longer equip multiple items>Inadvertently create the biggest glitches in the game from this action Ya aonuma is getting gunpei yokoid
>>751399170>>gedit
>>751397912>It's 1/4th of the way there in only 4 days and 1/6th of the install base tears hasTear sold 10 million in 3 days as opposed to 5 million in 4 days for this game. And even that game sold 33% less than BOTW did. Also TOTK was massively front loaded. It ended up selling like 19.5 million within a month and lifetime has only sold 22.9M like 3 years later. There is no reason to think this game has the same momentum as either BOTW or TOTK. If it sells 10 million that's be amazing but it ain't getting close to either of those two games. The take away from this is Nintendo will try and shit out more remakes that take less time to make than the BOTW games.
>>751396365I meant outpace, does that not register? little retard.
>>751396806>Even deliberately trying to misunderstand Zelda 1 as open world doesn't make BotW/TotK similar to it in any way.That explains why you don't grasp anything.
>>751397385>we need to drop the weapon breaking,filtered
>>751397912The drop off is going to be intense for you, isn't it.
Classic Zelda was never a problem and the Zelda formula was fine. The people who ruined Zelda with BotWshit are goddamn tourists.I am glad OoT Remake has reminded everyone.
>Zelda I was open world, and had dungeons, dungeon items, and a mostly linear progression.This really is all they have to do.And better storytelling. I don't need some bullshit overdone modern AAA story, but give me something like OoT has. Give me just enough, but give me a coherent story that actually gets told in order. An active plot that isn't all in the past using amnesia as a plot device.
>>751394926Both are garbage.
You're going to have to embrace Metroid if you want those old Zelda games again. The franchise was meant for so much more, and it doesn't take a genius to see that.
It would be extremely hilarious if we do go back to the ALLTP/OOT formula and we get like a decade of OOT clones that are inferior to OOT and then the same sentiment about the series back when Skyward Sword came out settles in and people start fellating BotW.
>>751401191if they don't remake the oracle games + finish the cancelled third game, or make them into one super game, then I do not care about Zelda
>>751400194>There is no reason to think this game has the same momentum as either BOTW or TOTK.OoT is more evergreen than ToTK because it's not a direct sequel, it's more or less a standalone entry. It also looks amazing and has 30 years of hype behind it. I expect OoT to have a long tail like BoTW as a safe pick for new people buying the Switch 2 going forward. It's Majora's mask sales I'm gonna worry about, that game will cap out at like 6 million at best.
>>751401191yeah, haha, that would be SO funny, brosright back to stagnation for no reasonrediscovering the reasons to evolve instead
>>751396307>XenobladeRetarded tourist
>>751396806The Devs who made the game expressly said it was like Zelda 1, while showing their render of Zelda 1 they used in early testing, while having art made of the Zelda 1 link handing the sword off to BotW link to signify that he carries on in that spirit.>INB4 that doesn't countI will never understand how the modern millennial Ocarina of time faggot fanbase has deluded themselves into claiming they understand the devs ideas and intentions better than the devs themselves.
>>751400432Permanent weapons can have more fleshed out movesets.
>>751394926>OoT ends up outselling BotW or TotKThe only thing outselling TotK is VotG wIth map reused a 3rd time and reflected dark world
>>751401729The two have nothing to do with each other, the breaking weapons all have different properties but play the same. Every other Zelda game has had shallow weapon movesets, BotW was the same but it gets attacked for it just because Aonuma's cum-guzzlers hate it.
>>751401729Really? it's hard to tell based on all the evidence to the contrary present in the series.
>>751395632Hello famitsu bro.
>>751396447Open world is slop and has always been slop. I could tolerate it in elden ring because the gameplay is 10/10 but even it suffers from the open world meme
>>751401191>a decade of OOT clonesOoT has no clones. Every successor or thing inspired by it fucks up the freeform exploration and progression at an absolute minimum, and nothing has replicated that.
Does anyone else find it odd how this bizarre, OoT vs. BoTW civil war has basically only existed on /v/
>>751401719>I will never understand how the modern millennial Ocarina of time faggot fanbase has deluded themselves into claiming they understand the devs ideas and intentions better than the devsOoT is closer to the actual structure of LoZ than any other game in the series is. Claiming that BotW is actually more like it is just a lie, even though it was true compared to close to every other game in the series.
>OoT is closer to the actual structure of LoZ than any other game in the series is
>>751394926People are right about BotW and TotK, they're pretty shit as Zelda games go.
>>751399005It ain't goodThey're realizing BotW isn't what they thought it was
>>751398437Oh wow you're really seething from that huh tendi
>>751400296>W-What I meant to say wasLmao
>>751396291No they're gonna pretend they always loved classic zelda formula now
>>751402458Do NOT let BotW fags see this. They'll swear up and down it's the true3D entry to LoZ
ha, you got btfo
>>751402487>the puzzle in question?>walking to the end of the lane where the HUD indicates press the jump buttonoh yeah, whole other level for sure
>>751402214OOT is less linear than the games that come after it but calling it free-form is a bit of a stretch
Yay, I look forword to dumbed down dungeons a fish flopping on a controller can solve.
