damn I don't care

anti AI fatigue is growing

Kind of an interesting case, because it forces people to contend with just how much AI is acceptable. At least based on that council or whatever, which may or not be retarded, not a single drop is acceptable.

>>751557071
I can't decide who's worse. Pro AI autists or Anti AI autists.

>>751557071
The game looks like another easily streamable friendslop game anyway.

Buying a game just to bitch about is pure retardation though

>>751557071
>use AI to fix literally one line of code
>trannies start necking themselves over it

>>751557285
Pro AI want to be left the fuck alone to create their shit in peace with whatever tools they want. They only attack when some AI vegan pokes in and starts a moral fight. This is not a both sides thing I don't even know how you could be asking this.

>AI BAD BECAUSE......................
>IT JUST IS, OK?! Also, I'm trans

>>751557709
I wish. AI cultists shove their slop on everyone's face acting all smug about their trash. You're disingenuous.

Buckle up, shills. Anti AI sentiment hasn't even peaked yet. In fact we're still far from the summit

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>>751557071
>review bombed
>92.7% positive
nobody cares about this

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how did AI outrage go from
>someone very clearly used AI gen content and didn't disclose it
to
>someone used AI to debug their code

>WORKERS RIGHTS
>except when we make our products, then fuck workers. fire them and replace them with the ai trained off of their stolen/uncompensated work

>>751557250
its not that interesting cause they have no actual talking point or demands that would make sense.
They could have talked to someone else and THAT person could have used AI to fix the problem without disclosing to them.

Anti-AI people arent accomplishing anything because they dont have reasonable demands. Legal disclosure will never happen. This isnt like food. You cant identify whats made with AI. from the outside.

The only interesting part is the social dynamics at play. But its dishonest as fuck. These people could just play old games and have 0 AI forever. Instead, they prefer these dishonest discussions. AI wont leave developement. It will just get disclosed even less.

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>>751557925
I think a lot of humanity recognizes it as pointless slop tech with very few true uses besides being a step towards picre. Just don’t make the game if you can’t make the game.

>>751557071
the way they used ai wasn't even ridiculous. they used it to fix a bug that unity told them was impossible to fix. the fuck else are they supposed to do? ah, the people arguing against it don't even know the context in which it was used. it wasn't used to slop the game together, wasn't used to slop up a bunch of assets, just used for the lightest bugfixing imaginable as the last resort. i don't like the people that are so lost-in-the-sauce about how ai can toooootally do eeeverything for you, but i also don't like the other tip of the horseshoe. sometimes, it really can help you out in a place where nobody else can lend a hand. i feel like most people just read headlines and nothing more. fucking read. it's good for your brain. if you see more than two sentences and think "TL;DR" you are the problem.

>>751557925
When it became a political shibboleth instead of an ethical issue.

All I know about these fags is that they didn't release their "play with your friends regardless of what they're playing on" game on a console because of some gay political bullshit for brownie points or something.

>>751557071
So?
it's on steam
steam was designed to stop people owning their games and to kill off the physical market

why would you complaing a scam is being used on a scam platform

>>751557813
Once again no point. Proving my point you faggots are the ones initiating and snooping around art at an axiomatic level looking to witchhunt a tool. By it's nature that behavior cannot run parallel to the side with and without the tool no matter how much you want to just point 'no u'.

>>751557709
Oh come one dude that's not true at all. Just look at /g/, AI is being aggressively pushed everywhere on the internet. Not to mention every site is now flooded with extremely low quality AI pics and videos.

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>>751557709
>Pro AI want to be left the fuck alone to create their shit in peac
So why are they whining about AI tags then? Anti-AI simply filter out the AI stuff, so you can make your slop in peace. Everyone is happy.

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>review bombing? right here, right now, localized entirely within your friendslop walking sim?
>yes
>may I see it?

AI is the greatest threat to the human race since social media. We live in a generation of antisocial autistic people who don’t socialize and don’t reproduce. The West is on the brink of collapse. In addition to laziness, AI will take away millions of jobs and cause millions of people from the Third World to come to Europe and the U.S.

>>751557285
Anti-AI autists are worse and it's not even close.

It genuinely could not matter less if some part of the video game was generated with AI. I have never once liked a game more or less depending on exactly how much labor went into building it. The only thing that matters is that the game is not slop.

>>751557925
When retards started saying they're using up all da waturrr when Almond farms use 50-100x more

>>751558871
>It genuinely could not matter less if some part of the video game was generated with AI.
Why would you pay full price for a game that developers didn't bother making?

>>751557925
I assume it's because these people think that tolerating any use of AI no matter how minor will open the door for more pernicious uses of it to become normalized and accepted, which I am somewhat empathetic to, but also it feels like such a ludicrous purity test that's just going to backfire, this is Anti-AI's Hogwarts Legacy moment really

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>>751557071
>be honest
>retards cry and shit and cum

I will make a game with AI and lie about it.

>>751557148
If you didn't care you wouldn't have replied hope this helps

>>751557250
the amount doesn't matter if they tried to get around disclosing it

>>751557071
People can use AI to detect AI code now?
What if I ask the AI to code me a game and say "write it with no AI fingerprint"

>>751558910
So what you're saying is we should be against AI and almond farms

>>751558859
It’s the greatest threat since literacy. And I mean that seriously.

>>751559157
>I assume it's because these people think that tolerating any use of AI no matter how minor
There is no issue as long as its disclosed properly. Better yet when they disclose what assets they made by AI, the developers freely admit those assets are public domain and you can just datamine them for yourself for free.

>>751557071
Kill your self op

>>751557247
Deal with it faggot. Nobody likes your digital poison.

>>751558859
>AI will take away millions of jobs and cause millions of people from the Third World to come to Europe and the U.S
What? AI being able to deprecate so many jobs should be a justification AGAINST importing browns. If so many jobs and positions will become unnecessary and the justification for immigration is largely economic, ask yourself, why are they still being brought in?

That's weird. I thought the firmly established double standard is that AI code = good and it's only bad when it hurts the hecking wholesome gay furry "art"ists.

>>751557250
>not a single drop is acceptable.
I wish the discussion could be focused on HOW AI was used instead of the this whole one drop rule pros and antis have.
No the game using a bit of AI in this case doesn't make them literally satan nor is this close to someone vibecoding slop.
>>751557285
Both are annoying for mostly different reasons and make any discussion around AI being pure cancer.

>>751558734
>may I see it?
Yes you may see it
https://files.catbox.moe/03vj41.png
Max image size limit of 10000 pixels so has to be catboxed

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Somehow I find myself okay with devs using AI for slopping out code yet I'm not okay with seeibg AI generated assets. Why is this? Can't tell why but this is how I feel.

>>751559429
>No the game using a bit of AI in this case doesn't make them literally satan nor is this close to someone vibecoding slop.
But it should lower the price of the game. Why would I pay money for AI, when I have AI back home.

>>751559369
The only escape from AI is death.

>>751557925
your doubt stems for the fact that you wrongfully think that the code isnt part of the content

>>751557709
>AI vegan
lmao

>>751559461
AI generated assets aren't actually cleaned up or refined to be consistent with the games art style because the dev doesn't have the skills to do so.
Its basically the same as using Asset Store packs raw.

>>751559557
Wrong. You and I will live to see its end. Whether you like it or not.

Curse Israel and be cursed. Simple as.

>>751559461
the output of code is fairly abstract and in the case of videogames you can't see it most of the time

>>751559385
Browns are needed for manual labor... Cleaning the streets, working for Uber, etc... For now. Only when robots are created will the issue of migration be resolved.

>>751557709
>Pro AI want to be left the fuck alone
That is the most blatant lie I've seen all day, saying this on fucking 4chan of all places is absolutely insane.

>>751557071
>10 lines of heavily modified code
What the FUCK does that mean? Is it really just "uuuuuh 10 lines doesn't look bad enough, they gotta be HEAVILY modified!"

>>751559534
Fuck off retard

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>>751559705
The same problem tends to follow the coding world. Porn mods for porn games have already started getting lot of hastily vibe-coded plugins that break every other plugin and the modder goes "fix it yourself I dunno how to do it lol"

>>751559803
Keep seething pajeet, not paying a single cent for your slop.

>>751557709
lol

git gud fgt

>>751557071
if it wasn't that big of a deal to begin with, why did they lie and say they never used it?

>>751559874
I don't even like SI but you're retarded

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>>751559461
Because AI had a weird leveling effect aesthetics where it makes everything look the same. Instead of encouraging creativity, it's made the made the intenet more bland. Why do all ads look like this? Why is every post on LinkedIn the same? Why is all AI porn the same? I don't know the technical reason, but its ugly as fuck.

>>751559792
>Browns are needed for manual labor
No they aren't? There's an entire native population that AI just unemployed, you don't have to go outside the country for that.

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>>751557071
if it were that low then why even disclose it
clearly they are lying
might as well just come out with it since you'll be crucified whether you use it a little or a lot

>>751559718
how? local models are already more than enough.

>>751559940
>SI
yet you keep pushing for AI hype buzzwords like a good Rakeesh.

>>751557071
AI is good
jews are afraid of AI because it lets us make shit without borrowing money from them

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>>751557285
Truly the white man's conundrum

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>>751558553
>AI is being aggressively pushed
Utilized isn't "pushing". If you don't want to use it, don't use it. If you don't want to look at it, don't look at it.

At this point it's like being opposed to television because "images shouldn't move like that". It's a mental illness brought about by over-participation in social media groupthink. Use AI for 10-12 hours. Make images, videos, songs. Ask it questions. Play D&D with it. It's nothing. Certainly not a boogeyman here to steal muh jerb.

AI vegans are insufferable whiners that don't even know what they're whining about. They've adopted a moral stance against a piece of software that they don't understand in the slightest. It's like being staunchly against Excel. Bizarre.

>>751559987
Top feels way more sinister and Jewish

>>751557247
I have fatigue fatigue.

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>>751559987
Its because AI is mostly trained on well lit studio-lighting images and videos like webm, so when it puts multiple images together to generate an image, the high contrast from the studio lights give the picture this oily look.

AI still keeps fucking up the fingers for this same reason without the help of direct reference photos or 3D plugins, because while faces and boobs often face the camera in very similar angles and positions, hands are all over the place and can do million different things in the millions of photos the AI is trained in.

>>751559461
Congratulations you are normal

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO PAY A NON-BINARY QA TESTER WHAT XE WAS WORTH, OKAY!?

>>751559461
1 - Because you don't see the damage of (over)using AI for code outright
2 - Coding is not art

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>>751557071
My panoramic shot of my game area for 1 of my games. My dreams are all coming together, imagine giving this up to please crab in a bucket leftists on social media.
>>751557813
You have plenty of gay leftist social environments where everybody claims to hate AI. If you feel like it’s being “shoved in your face” it’s probably your subconscious yearning to accomplish dreams you gave up for social cred.
>>751559793
I make sure to pop the delusions of AI haters on 4chan since I know they depend on this site for fresh culture that doesn’t amount to insane purity conflict. That’s my defense for my future as a gamedev.

>>751557709
>Pro AI want to be left the fuck alone
then why are they constantly bitching about people who ask how they use it
it's the same shit every day on the internet
>WOWEEEEEEEEEE AI SI SO GREAT GAMES ARE CHANGED FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!! HEHE EVERYONE IS USING IT BECAUSE ITS AWESOME!
>cool, cool, how did you use it??
>NOO SHUT UP YOU HATEFUL JERK STOP WITCH HUNTING

>>751560538
It’s so funny to see you say this right after showing exactly how I use it - leftists can’t help but prove how detached they are from reality

>>751559718
lol you won't do shit

>>751560227
Again, you only have to go on /g/ to be disproven. Pro-AI people are completely psychotic and mind broken, its all they ever talk about. The blatant advertising kn every website is annoying as well.

>>751558142
>iphone filename

>>751560474
God I'm not looking forward to any big software getting vibecoded to hell and reach a point where not even the AI can fix it's own mess.

>>751559461
I understand why someone would feel this way, but I personally think the sentiment is pretty shortsighted. You only care about the corners cut that you can see. You don't know what computer code is or how it works, but you don't care as long as the program works.

The problem with that is your standards for software performance keep slipping. Hardware keeps getting faster, insanely faster, but games that look like they were made 20 years ago can't keep a consistent frame rate on modern hardware. The reason? No one knows what optimization is and no one knows what they are doing beyond copy-pasting code from stack overflow. This was a problem way before LLMs came into prominence, but it's exacerbated when these LLMs are trained on the data of all the bad programmers who got us into this mess.

Actually, for some of these retard devs, particularly indies, AI-generated code is probably an improvement. Lmao

>>751560679
>the technology board discusses/uses the latest technology
Oh fuck! Those mentally ill people using their board for what it was designed for! Fuck them!

Anti-AI is based on nothing but secondhand groupthink that drones without their own set of opinions they should have formed from living a life adopt off of internet posts. Not one of them has a unique opinion, they just regurgitate something they saw on twitter or reddit. They aren't fully developed humans.

AI people are not ensouled, they're nothing but Israeli golems.

>be indie studio with millions of dollars in cash from your previous hit
>instead of paying a freelancer a fair wage you use a chatbot trained on stolen data
any other studio that would be fine but these fags are hardcore commies who have "taken a stand" on this issue before

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>>751560528
>My dreams are all coming together,
This is your dream game? Jesus christ how pathetic.

>>751561000
True. I think LLM and image generation technology is very cool. I certainly never thought I'd see anything like that in my lifetime. The bandwagon hate against AI is like a program in peoples' brains that makes them want to fit in with the herd.

I do however think there are legitimate concerns particularly with over reliance on LLMs that get buried under the noise blind praise or blind hatred for it. It feels like everyone has lost their minds and there are no adults in the room.

>>751561173
For such pro-palestine team they sure act a lot like jews.

>>751561235
The noise dies down when the bubble pops. Right now theres too many people and especially too many brown third-worlders with an incentive to shill AI because of investment reasons.

>>751561235
Yeah the discourse around it is cancerous especially online.
I want this to simmer down so people can be more level headed with it, plus I hope people become more responsible with it because it's not going away but it's destroying peoples minds.

>>751557071
So? I literally don't care how someone was made as long as it's good. I've seen soulless Ai slop, I've seen soulless human slop.

>>751559718
A lot of retards here seem to believe that the AI bubble popping means the end of AI.
Like, if your sole desire is AI to be gone forever, you already lost. It was over the moment people started using it for coding and art, perhaps even long before then, because it is generally useful, and it will always have a utility and a demand to be SUPPLIED for.

It's like thinking the dotcom bubble bursting means websites will stop existing.

>>751559461
Because if you're normal you only care about the output.
if you can't see the code and nothing ever comes up to suggest it's quality then why would any sane person give a shit?
art is different because you can see shitty AI art is shitty.

also something like 85% of all software engineers are using AI in some capacity now, code/tests or doing research or whatever else.
I think you would struggle to find software anywhere that hadn't used AI at this point so being militant about it is like refusing food that used fertilizer.

>>751559149
>Why would you pay full price for a game that developers didn't bother making?
I do not care what process the developers used to make their video game. I not care if it took them 20 years or 20 minutes to produce their video game. I solely and exclusively care whether or not the thing I am spending my money on is fun.

>>751560782
I don't get where this "AI is bad at coding" idea comes from. It is as good as what most humans were already doing. Hell even Linus himself was shilling vibecoding the other day. You just need a human to become a janny for any blemish that might arouse but still most soft dev companies went balls to the wall into AI for coding. No one is writing code by hand out of hobby anymore.

>>751561178
I've come to believe he's a false flag because he's probably the worst example of a average joe vibe coding a dream game possible.
his taste is bad, vision is all over the place, quality control is dogshit, ideas are esoteric and hyper specific to his likes.
he ticks every box of why someone like him never was making games before AI, he literally has none of the skills or talents required even with a machine that does it all for him.

>>751560784
>Actually, for some of these retard devs, particularly indies, AI-generated code is probably an improvement. Lmao
That also applies for AAA. Honestly if we banned AI tomorrow we wouldn't notice a difference in software programming.

>>751557071
faggots digging their own hole, funny, they always think they wouldn't be consumed by the culture they fester too

>>751560782
Why do you think every Windows product went down at once this week to the point the airplanes are stopped?

>>751561941
>You just need a human to become a janny for any blemish that might arouse
That's where the concern is, they won't have that.
It's not code is bad at coding, in fact it can do really well but it still needs human oversight to maker you aren't setting yourself up for disaster down the line.
At some point some retarded suit is gonna stop hiring coders and engineers for product managers or some other non coding position to run the show and it won't be pretty in the long run.

That does not seem like ai usage to me.

Isn't it basically the same thing as googling a problem?

>>751557285
They're both complete and utter insufferable retards. Cult-like too, if you disagree even slightly with either they lose it; insulting you as the other end of the extreme.

>>751557071
>>They refuse releasing it on Xbox due to the “Free Palestine” cause, because Microsoft Azure is used by the IDF.
OY VEH

Retarded low IQ people just wanting to jump on the bandwagon.
They lack the IQ to understand this much viritrol over such minor usage will simply make devs not admit such things at all.

>>751560227
>If you don't want to look at it, don't look at it.
haha if only it were that easy, this shit is everywhere, low effort slop out the front of every other restaurant, it's absurd

>>751559987
they even got Jim's? fuark me

>>751557709
You jeers are no different than trannies. You shove your slop down everyone’s throat and flood storefronts and cry oppression when people tell you to fuck off. Anti ai troons can be annoying but aijeets are far worse

>>751559369
>Nobody likes your digital poison.
Anon, the entire issue here is that people DID (or rather, do) like it and then realized there was AI. So yes, very clearly they do like it or there would be no situation.

>>751562373
Most devs already don't disclose AI assistance in coding because it's so fucking common now that it's on the level of autocomplete and automated code formaters in every IDE (which means it's widespread and completely normal to use). When a dev discloses it then it's more of a virtue signaling like in the OP, they are trying to frame it as "look at how little we used AI and in such an insignificant way, YET we are still disclosing it because we are such honest good little game devs, please praise us". Then they can farm pity points when it backfires, like in the OP. Very dishonest nevertheless.

>>751557071
Can you say they were "caught" when they talked about it?

>>751559461
Because you don't see the code and most people don't ever learn anything about programming. Everyone has an inherent understanding of art.

>>751561941
I think people just aren't updating on impressions made on model capabilities from two years ago, and to be fair it only got somewhat decent a year ago and then good a few months ago. It makes people obscenely mad to suggest that this is the case because it is also true that they still have very spiky capabilities and make dumb mistakes.

>>751559461
Because the original creation of AI was for debugging and coding assisting (keyword ASSISTING) it can't make code for you. But it can help you when you're exhausted all other options. That's literally what big walk devs did. They tried everything including just asking unity themselves and got zero help.

But AI art/music/voice is inherently soulless and ugly

>>751563340
Yeah they did literally nothing wrong. This is actually the craziest shit ever and it's so crazy that I'm starting to think people are just trolling the devs.

There's AI-generated Rust code in the Linux kernel now. You lost. AI wins and will keep winning.

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>>751557071
I don't give a shit if they used AI, you people are control freaks.

>>751559461
AI code mostly replaces tedious act of typing or copypasting it, the most boring and time-consuming part of creating a software or a video game. It won't replace designing the game mechanics, coming up with actual code architecture, ensuring all the components fit together nicely, then playtesting it and making the game feel fun to play. With AI tools you as a game dev actually can focus MORE on those important parts because writing the code is done by a machine itself, so it's a big advantage and very useful tool, which can be treated as simply a higher layer of abstraction over the C++, and you as a player will not notice it at all.
But AI art is still immediately noticeable slop that feels fake and low effort. Maybe in few years it will be possible to make AI assets good enough to not be different from human-made ones, in which case it will become yet another tool to use in your arsenal that increases productivity.

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>Devs couldn't figure out a fix for the bug
>Not even a Unity engineer could figure out a fix, told them it was a limitation with the engine and that they would have to accept it
>Claude figures out a fix
>Retarded faggots that have never written a single line of code in their lives think this is unnecessary and le unethical

>>751559257
it's because they don't want to deal with retards like you freaking out at the first sign of AI regardless of how much or little they used, it's a blanket statement with you retards, you push your own people to this corner and make the behave this way. it's not normal.

>review bombed
>2 reviews by fatass Rëddit groomers
I almost gave a fuck

>>751561820
This is idiot logic. It's a step people take when they haven't thought through their position fully. People who say code is okay but art isn't are all under this camp where they simply haven't thought through their position enough. If a human edits the ai art it's no different from code oversight. People are so stupid that we have to watch them move like a slow herd through the logical missteps around each stage of their opposition to AI as they slowly realize they are in error. Your error here assumes the image output is a binary when AI is curve fitting and the manual human editor can choose how much to keep or discard. Your confirmation bias only sees 'slop' because the human who underfits the curve uses AI totally under your understanding of it.

>>751557071
I have no problem with AI coding games
I just dont like AI art

>>751559987
Not my fault people don't know how to use AI correctly

>>751563680
this is the second time I've seen people cry about review bombing when their game is still like 90%+ positive

There isnt a single good game that makes heavy use of AI.

If AI was so good you'd think there would be at least one by now.

>>751557721
>I studied 4-7 years, in the most prestigious universities, computer science, I stacked $70000000 in student debt and all I could get is a job for $45000 a year and you tell me that AI made my job useless and invalid reeeeeeeeeeee
Lmao at code monkeys

>>751563841
>heavy use
This retarded shit here is what I don't understand. What falls under "heavy use"? If I make a game with human-made assets and build the basic framework of the project myself, is it "heavy use" if I use AI to build, say, a multiplayer module or some random minigames? That's how you'll be encountering AI in games and you won't even know unless the dev discloses it. Is that heavy use? I think it is.

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>>751563306
Most AI skeptics formed their opinion after trying the free-tier AI few years ago, seeing only the worst AI generated slop images, and dismissing it all outright. But the technology is progressing very rapidly, last year alone was a giant leap and made agentic workflows finally so good that you can get shit done on a scale unthinkable few years ago. The models themselves are not equal either, some are good, some are bad, and then even the way you use the same model can lead to vastly different outcomes. Baseline Claude is mid, but when you spend time setting up an elaborate harness it becomes god-tier. People just don't realize it's the new tool, and as with every other tool, how you use it determines the outcome the most.

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There is no issue if you use AI to find problems within your code
There will be issues when you generate the entire thing, because you won't know what's IN it or how to fix anything. It'll be an unfixable mess from top to bottom. You can't ask it "find where the issue is", because you won't understand how something is an issue, what it ultimately does, and how changing it in any way would fix or break other things within the code.
AI in coding is best used when you understand code, and use AI as a powertool to find underlying issues that your human brain might overlook.

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Is this the case?

>>751557813
They really don't. You just keep interfacing with everything AI related and getting mad about it.

>>751564098
I won't argue semantics. Take "heavy use of AI" to mean whatever you feel it should mean.

>>751559987
I checked a food truck's menu online and all the pictures of food were AI. What the fuck. At least upload a shitty picture of how your food actually looks. Didn't buy anything from them.

>>751563692
there's two camps of people here
>I dont like AI art because of what AI will do to the economy/environment/human soul etc
>I dont like AI art because it looks samey and shit.

you are correct for people in the first group, I would say the vast majority of the masses based on the normies I know are second group, if any at all.

>>751564162
I have a problem with generated art being passed off as authentic, that's honestly my only problem

>>751557071
those models are also 100% AI, no human would make something so ugly

>>751559461
The same reason that you are ok when AI automatically enters your health card number, your insurance information and any other data needed when a hospital refers you to a specialist via a digital fax - it is a process that simply needs to be done and it largely doesn't matter if someone real did it or not. Note that most hospitals around the world currently use highly paid nurses to manually enter data from these types of referrals but it is becoming more automated as time goes on. AI can properly read your data off of the form just fine 99% of the time and the nurse can go look after actual patients instead of doing data entry at a keyboard. Different use cases are different.

>>751564190
That's not the reality at all. You can build testing environments very easily and efficiently to make a game as bug-free as it can be. This whole concept of the "unfixable mess" that AI always leads to is based entirely on the assumption that the person prompting the whole thing from start to finish is the lowest common denominator who has no interest in how his project works, is not asking the AI to follow specifications for program structure and organization, is not asking it to format code for readability, and is not asking for extensive documentation of every module.

All your problems with "AI in coding" already have existing solutions to them. Just because some dumb thirdie shitting out his vibecoded game went through none of these steps doesn't mean there is an inherent limitation and underlying problem with AI coding.

>>751557071
This is what LLMs should be used for, and people are bitching.
I am tired of them.

>>751557925
It wasn't even their code, it was Unity's shitshow that they had to rewrite after Unit's own staff told them it couldn't be fixed and an AI fixed it in 2 seconds

>>751559557
Yeah, yours.

>>751557071
Blame E33.
They got away with being AI slop and now everyone is super fucking sensitive about even the smallest amount of AI used in finding bugs.

>>751564190
>There will be issues when you generate the entire thing
AI is not THAT advanced yet, you can only generate "the entire thing" without any oversight and planning if you make a toy browser-tier game. Anything more complex requires actual game design and planning.
>because you won't know what's IN it
How does it affect you as a player? Do you think game creators like Warren Spector knew every single line of code in Deus Ex?
>You can't ask it "find where the issue is"
You LITERALLY can, and it will find and fix it.
>because you won't understand how something is an issue
You will if you designed the game and then play it and find the issue yourself or reproduce the issue that a player reported.
>and how changing it in any way would fix or break other things within the code
Opus 5.5 will understand it better than any programmer ever would.
>AI in coding is best used when you understand code
True, but not why you think. You need to understand what is possible with the code and what is the general architecture of a video game, you don't need to know every line of code inside out to make a proper game using AI.

>>751557071
Hello slowpoke, how's your monday going.

>>751564265
What do you think it means? You say there isn't a single good game that makes heavy use of AI, but that statement in itself makes no sense if you're not able to prove that any one game does not make heavy use of it. Or do you mean to say it only counts if every asset looks like it was freshly vomited out by AI?

>>751561235
>I think LLM and image generation technology is very cool. I certainly never thought I'd see anything like that in my lifetime.
Same here, and I am most astounded by the video generation and how it becomes better and better every year. It's insane to think that within our lifetime we will be able to simply conceive a movie, any movie in any setting and any style and any story, and get it generated with AI and watch it. Just like that, as if imagining it into reality. This will be golden age of content, even the most niche movie idea will be created by someone. Sure, it will be an ocean of slop, but then just because of the sheer amount of content being made statistically there will be plenty of diamonds to be found in it.

>>751557709
Then you should have no issue with stating "This product was created with the assistance of AI for: X, Y, and Z." Right? You wouldn't have a problem with that?

>>751557941
>It will just get disclosed even less.
plus the indie devs can't withstand this vitriol, while corpo psychos thrive in it. so the rich will get richer while the masses drag their true brethren down, lol.

>>751559461
hypocrisy

>>751568339
Normalfags are so dumb.
>nooooo don't steal from le heckin wholesome gay furry artists!!!
>Computer programs? Who cares?
>OMG WHY ARE SO MANY AIRPLANES FALLING OUT OF THE SKY THESE DAYS

>>751568561
Ai vibe coding is the reason for that though

>>751569302
Isn't, I'm sure you meant to say. My point is not that it's directly responsible, but that that attitude of corner cutting "so long as I can't see it" is responsible. A decay of our systems and institutes that we used to trust and still rely on while that trust is becoming more and more misplaced day by day. Civilization is collapsing due to a societal loss of knowledge.

>>751568561
>>751569302
>>751569760
Actually that recent one was because of a 20 year old woman.

Anti-AI histrionics are tired as fuck. its a fucking tool - it can be used for good or ill. That's it. Troons suggesting that it somehow conveys some sort of original sin is laughable if it wasn't so fucking sad. I lived long enough to hear this entire fucking argument happen regarding
>CGI
already and it was tiring asinine garbage back then

>>751563674
So a consumer doesn't have a right to know and make a decision based on their own morals?
>your own people
They aren't. You either are for it or not.

>>751569760
Are you retarded we aren't talking about "cutting corners" in fucking airplane software. We are talking about fucking VIDEO GAMES.

Code quality doesn't matter for VIDEO GAMES. You can over engineer a flawless dialogue system, or you can throw every line of dialogue in a 1,000 line if statement. It won't make a god damn difference to the player at ALL. Video games have a much wider tolerance for code slop than other systems.

High quality code will never sell a video game, but high quality art will. That's why people have a stick up their ass about AI art assets but not AI code.

>>751570046
It is a tool that was built on ill intentions and is being solely used for ill intentions. Elimination of junior positions, consolidation of wealth towards monopolies, cognitive decline, piracy, psychosis and addiction. There is little upside to it. It is a poison that will be viewed the same way as cigarettes in the future.

>>751570535
lol loser you're problem your too stupid to have boughted crypto & rental properties

>>751557071
Kek. Chalk up another L for Dude Huge

>>751570654
You are a cancer upon all that is good in this world. A societal parasite.

>>751559461
AI assets are usually the lazy way out and lower quality/outright slop compared to normal assets.
Meanwhile AI programming is just normal now. Even the open models you can run on your gaming PC these days will handle a lot of the work for you if you're paranoid and think that the big guys care about the super special code you're writing for your game.

>>751570697
shut up and polish my boot loser

>>751570721
We'll see how shiny your boot looks after it's shoved up your ass.

>>751557709
"pro-AI" are mostly third world gombeen men

>>751570535
>Elimination of junior positions, consolidation of wealth towards monopolies, cognitive decline
Microsoft Excel did all this as well. Are we viewing it the same as cigarettes all these decades later?

>>751570535
Psychosis and cognitive decline are on your anti ai end. You will be looked back on in the future as the second failed luddites. No doubt you disagree we're just gonna let the chips fall. And I'm 100% certain your side is gonna lose so enjoy your team and your choice.

>>751570824
Solid argument from an anti ai retard with nothing in their brain. If you could actually think you wouldn't be anti ai.

AI BAD AI BAD AI BAD
I CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AI TYPES

RINCHY RINCHY ROOOOOO!!!

>>751570535
You're misunderstanding the difference between the tool and how its being used. Its still AI if its just some random anon generating pics or chatbots in his bedroom, or using it to manage home automation or whatever the fuck else on his locally hosted , uncensored, FOSS instance.

Unfortunately the problem is that too many with your viewpoints have just stapled AI to their head as THEIR SIDE CURRENT THING = which stops the real discussions we should be having.
>elimination of junior positions
Nothing specific about AI here. Same thing could be said for outsourcing, or mechanization, or any sort of "we want to pay people less and get more" policies. This is just corpos maximizing profits, regardless of tool
>consolidation of wealth toward monopolies
Then shouldn't you push for the benefits of AI to be universal, public, open(source) and widely used rather than a handful of proprietary megacorps having control of all of it?
>cognitive decline
You sound like some old person railing against typing, calculators, or vidya itself decades ago. This is either a problem with not being taught how to use the tool correctly or other lacking critical thinking, not the tech itself.
>piracy
Not a problem. You shouild be championing this as it has let people more easily emulate, decompile, and port tech that used to be made for proprietary platforms. Or is this more "they won't subscribe to my patreon if they can generate their own porn" self interested tranny artist stereotype?
>psychosis and addiction
Same was said of rock music, vidya, the Internet and more. Some people are always going to have problems, very little has to do with the particular piece of media. Are you going to tell me that playing doom turns people into school schooters and so it needs to be "regulated" into oblivion? Come on.

Didn't you hear, they got positive review bombed by people who hate the leftists troons that have AI derangement syndrome after asmongold talked about how scummy these leftists are.

According to steam reviews and multimillionaire streamers on YouTube, if you are complaining about and targeting big walk you're evil objectively.

People are turning on leftists who have AI derangement syndrome.

>>751557925
do you really think artists slave away while the rest of society is allowed to use ai won't get jealous eventually?

>>751571000
I'm not anti-ai though friend

>>751557709
No, they spam their trash everywhere
Rule34videos had to make another site since slopper spammed it
Tag your stuff so I can blacklist it

so much this >>751559149
unless game dev harvest materials to build their own computers, make their own OS and program their own game engines
I am NOT buying their SLOP

>>751571067
Good morning sir.

I'm studying CS and the single most retarded people there are all reliant on AI like crazy.
They can't even do basic stuff like pushing something to github or know how it works, but somehow manage to crack out pages of code (for simple shit that doesn't require it at all).

Most of them are Indians or mudskinned.
Like they are obviously not there to learn about CS at all, but just pass it as easily they can without any effort.

>>751561893
interesting, many other people will use multiple metrics when evaluating something
for example, people of course will feel swindled if you just resold them something you made incredibly cheap for a large mark up which is why most companies try to obscure the margins on products

>>751557071
to be fair, most friendslop turds can easily be mistaken for aislop

they weren't "caught", they publicly told everyone they used ai to fix a single bug they were having trouble with.

I just created a drivedroid alternative that's open source, just works with magisk automatically and just works. It's called boot stick. Claude opus did it in 5 minutes. Did it since all I have is a shitty old galaxy s4 can't find a usb stick

Coders and troons are done for.

Also aren't the steam reviews for this game overwhelming positive now? Seems like the troons got BTFOd and called out on their fake anti AI outrage.

>>751570916
excel is cancer when you look at it

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What's with all these low fidelity looking games I've never heard of causing controversies?
>t. 36 year old boomer
also everyone uses LLMs to code now, all code is stolen so who cares about that part

>>751560227
These companies have billions of dollars dude, theres astroturfing all over the place.

>>751570046
Pro AI people and AI companies themselves are trying to convince you AI is going to eliminate pretty much every middle class job in existence so I think people have a good reason to be against it in general

>>751559461
Because codemonkey already steal most of their code

>>751557285
I just don’t understand why people have been content with the rapid evolution of technology this century but suddenly want to stomp the brakes when it comes to AI.

>>751570928
Wow a luddite reference, that's new. Even the arguments are slop.

>>751572076
The internet and the car killed off a shit ton of jobs, Amazon did too, lots of inventions, companies killed off many jobs.

People make do because the technology is REVOLUTIONARY and it's too useful to live without, much like the car. Luddites are going to get a huge rude awakening and will be outcasted if they keep being deranged.

What happened to all the MILLIONS of guys worldwide who's whole job was to make and tailor to horses when they were the preferred mode of transportation.

Grain, feed, upholstery, horseshoes.

>>751557709
>Pro AI want to be left the fuck alone
LMAO

>>751560227
>Utilized isn't "pushing"
You can be pro "AI" as a tool because actually productive people see the obvious advantages but you can't deny the very obvious pushing to have it integrated in consumer end products in mostly obnoxious ways for its own sake, or that it has generated a shit load of stupid noise to sort through, degrading usability. Literally undeniable lmao

>>751572206
because the actual advantage of AI use is outclassed by the sheer amount of garbage it creates. Most people don't actually need to be users at all, only I should be allowed to use it come to think of it.

>>751572206
IMO most normies are victims of ruthless psyopping by legacy media, who 1) correctly see the technology as a threat to their power, and 2) are disproportionately anti-industry and anti-western

>>751572284
All things that lowered the cost of life considerably for everyone who wasn't a cobbler, or whatever. Lowered the prices of necessary products. An app is already free or like, 99 cents. What is AI going to lower the price of enough to offset the advertised and encouraged firings? We have a saturation of SaaS as it is. Is AI going to make housing significantly cheaper, is it really going to make beef cheaper such that living with 40k a year in the mines gets you further than an 80k clerk job? Everything AI produces is shit we already have enough of at a low price. Oh but now you can easily pump out a.. recipe app for yourself. Great. Fantastic.

AI isn't going back. It revolutionized coding and tech.

It's like Amazon that revolutionized shopping.

I RARELY go to walmart anymore except for groceries and best buy no more, why?

Because in my city I can get an OLED monitor or gaming PC delivered OVERNIGHT to my doorstep

>>751572712
And forgot to mention 80% of my groceries are delivered by Aldi with instacart.

Boomers are living in the past doing everything manually, including coding.

>>751561941
I understand what you mean, but Linus is a bad example because he's an incredibly talented programmer who knows what the fuck he's talking about
he can look at the changes AI is doing, recognize exactly what it's doing, and recognize if the change is good or horse shit
the problem we're going to face in the near future is that there won't be enough talented programmers left to keep AI in check, everyone's just going to accept AI's design choices because they aren't familiar enough with programming in general to call it out
think of it as digital load stacking - one crappy AI change doesn't cause a ton of problems, but as more and more are introduced to the code, eventually it hits critical mass and causes a catastrophic failure with no one left able to solve it

>>751572631
but you see it is useful in science and engineering pipelines when used by experts so that's why we have to use it for everything and you shouldn't be allowed to have a personal computer

>>751571492
The only "metric" that matters at all is whether or not I got my money's worth from the purchase. That's as true of t-shirts as it is of video games. I do NOT give a fuck if they sold me a t-shirt that cost $1 to produce for $50 if that t-shirt looks good and lasts for years. If they sell me a $50 t-shirt that starts disintegrating in a matter of months I'll never purchase shit from them again.

I cannot emphasize enough how little the production process matters in this economic decision.

>>751572631
>Is AI going to make housing significantly cheaper
Yes. It's already happening dude. They have those 3D printed houses which are kinda shitty but that's just the first step.
If the field has:
>complex information
>discoverable and exploitable patterns
Yes, it will get better and cheaper. It is comparable to the proliferation of the microprocessor. At first you might think "wtf, I don't need a little chip that does a million calculations a second, only the banks or the military or whatever would have a use for that". But it turned out that "do math really fast" is applicable and useful almost everywhere.

>>751557709
You faggots can't stop flooding the shit out of boorus and art sites.

Oh no nonono cliffy caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Better luck next time, liar

>>751572847
>money's worth from the purchase
that's the end valuation not the metric lmao

>>751572631
>An app is already free or like, 99 cents.
I know you are an unemployed retard, so just letting you know: Software and solutions are very expensive, even in the present day. And you often end up paying even more for individual licensing. The fact you don't need to pay thousands of dollars for some weird fucking document reader you only need a specific function of if you are company specialized in manufacturing is a huge weight off your shoulders. Not even saying this will lead to a visible change in pricing across various sectors, but what you are saying about pricing is complete bullshit and shows how ignorant you are on this topic.

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>>751572952
>pedantic response that avoids the entire point
CLASSIC

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>>751557709
What level of delusion do you need to be on to say something like this and mean it.

>>751558910
>>751559272
shhhh Big Almond will make you disappear

>>751557071
Well yeah, everyone has been discussing heavily how fucking stupid Tim Sweeny is for opposing AI disclosures by calling it political statements. Then a company that specializes in making political statements refused to disclose the usage of AI on their Steam page before everyone bought it. And as everyone rightfully points out, there is no punishment for this, and Valve will do literally nothing about it.

They lied, and that's the safest, least punished path available.

>>751572890
I actually shouldn't have mentioned the 3D printed houses because although interesting, that's the wrong idea. It's more about the basic concept of efficiency. Simply planning a construction job better saves time and money. Optimizing shipping saves time and money. Automated high-quality inspection saves time and money. You may not believe any of this stuff is possible, but if it is, it would be foolish to say "I don't see how superintelligent problem solving and analysis could possibly improve *my* field."

>>751570535
>solely

>>751573068
>The fact you don't need to pay thousands of dollars for some weird fucking document reader
Yeah this seems like a real problem for the average salaried middle class or lower class man. You know, the person my whole fucking post was about.
>Not even saying this will lead to a visible change in pricing across various sectors
Very useful point then, yeah. I'm quite gainfully employed (for now) actually, but besides rent, groceries, and insurance nothing I pay for now individually takes even the smallest dent out of my weekly paychecks. Like everyone else who decided not to gamble a mortgage on a startup, that's the norm.

>>751573336
If all that's possible why do we need more than a handful of people at each of these jobs? And then if that setup were to pretty inevitably, I think, just exacerbate the K shaped economy problems we already have, how does that not lead to some kind of fuedalist shit hole for the common person? I don't think the world pans out like Star Trek, I just don't in this scenario.

>>751559369
kys

>>751557071
>chatbot
>fixing an unity issue
>UNITY issue
yeah doubt that

>>751557250
the acceptable amount is zero simple as

>>751557709
Why do you jeets always lie so plainly?

>>751573984
Been in a coma for 5 years? Welcome back.

>>751557285
It's the ones like the op who are pretending to be the one they're not just to shit up the catalogue.

>>751557925
AI shills trying to make you conflate the two.

>>751564219
Saved lol

>>751557071
I have yet to see a SINGLE FUCKING ARGUMENT against AI that isn't "muh money", the anti-AI crowd really shows their love for money and capitalism despite always speaking against it .

>>751557071
How many threads? We really don't need them constantly.

This outrage comes from the "rugpull" aspect as well as the devs being retarded spergs about it and trying too hard. And as the numbers prove, people are ambivalent towards AI with minimal usage and many agree bug fixing might be the best and most acceptable usage case. Trying to use stuff like this as reasoning against disclosure is asinine cope, even moreso for your literally-fucking-who 0 reviews sloppagheddon games.

Though they should disclose the use of AI for bug fixing, since I just checked the steam page and it's not there.

>>751574321
Im a conservative and I think AI is bad. I'm pretty convinced people like you who try to make it a left-right issue could just as well be bots.

Or youre just living in 2016 still where owning da libs is more important than policy, or not getting into wars on behalf of kikes, or actually deporting people and keeping fucking indians out of my hometown.

>>751574321
So proudly display that your game is made by AI when you try to sell it.

>>751557071
I will only buy your game if you use ai
Fuck luddites

>>751574050
>AI shills trying to make you conflate the two

No, it's anti-AI retards who encouraged witch hunts against any usage of it. This was always the natural conclusion of those witch hunts, and we specifically warned you this would happen but ludditards were stupid to begin with so you didn't listen.

>>751574581
A data center is a lot harder and more expensive to replace than a printing press if we really are muh luddites

>>751574378
>Though they should disclose the use of AI for bug fixing, since I just checked the steam page and it's not there.
Steam doesn't require you to disclose "having ever consulted with an LLM". If they did, everyone would have to disclose every google search they've done on any project since 2023.

>>751574378
>rugpull
Who is getting rugpulled here? That term doesn't mean "any surprise I don't like". No one has been harmed or treated badly. It is a fabricated ideological issue by activists who believe in the "Hitler particles" theory of AI contamination. They have no right or reasonable expectation of anyone else following their rules.

>>751574378
>rugpull
You have no fucking clue what this word means.

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>>751565376
>>751557071
>using a placeholder texture that uses AI or fixing a few lines of code makes it automatically "AI slop"
I can't tell if this is genuine or trolls poisoning the well

>>751571397
Sounds like they're on the fast track to Microslop and the Federal Aviation Administration

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>>751571397
Don't be discouraged anon. Those people are going to lose hard in the future. A few will slip by but serious companies are going to easily exclude "uhhhh I know how to prompt" candidates. Also it is my belief that the fundamentals of computing, actual computer science, are going to be more important than ever and you'll be in a good spot.

They wanted to virtue signal as le hecking anti israel chuds and they found out the people who believe that have a zero tolerance towards using AI, who would've thought...

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>>751578156
It's xitter leftists that tried to start a hate campaign but it genuinely and organically backfired on them.

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>>751557071
10 lines of code, no, you still can’t make games, chuds. Die, faggot OP.

>>751578156
The only people that play coopslop have negative IQ so yes it is 100% genuine

>>751578156
>using a placeholder texture that uses AI or fixing a few lines of code
Is all they'll tell you they slopped up because it stood out, or they can get idiots to give them free support as seen ITT

AI is the only hobby that trannies refuse to touch, maybe "learn to code" is starting to mean something.

>>751579276
>because it stood out
And if you can't tell what the rest is, where is the issue?

>>751580226
There was no disclosure, and now the rest of the assets are going to be scrutinized even if the offenders are replaced. You put yourself in a corner where no one is going to believe you all because you don't want to tell people that AI is being used.

>>751580550
But they did. They weren't caught, they made the initiative to tell people about how they used AI for one specific thing. The schizos who freak out about any and all AI cannot be appeased one way or another.
>no one is going to believe you
As was pointed out, it's literally only a loud minority. Almost no one gives a shit in the first place.

>>751557721
literally rent free

>>751557285
Every day that I have to interact with either side I feel more and more comfortable being an enlightened AI centrist.

>>751573336
Ok but where's my money going to come from? Now I've been optimized even out of hammering the nail, so what the fuck do I do?

>>751582652
>enlightened AI centrist.
No such thing

>>751557071
Can this Big Walk fella just tell people to go fuck themselves? Frankly sick of every company "not using AI out of respect" (they're all using it without telling the troons), which fucks the honest people.

>>751574450
What if it's...fun?

>>751557071
>Our videogames are made on stolen Wurundjeri land. We at House House will be paying at least 1% of our income to Indigenous groups, in perpetuity, as part of the Pay the Rent movement. We'd encourage others to do the same

They used ai for bugfixing because not even the Unity engineers had any idea how to fix it.
What am i supposed to be outraged over here?

>>751559940
Annnnd you've revealed yourself.

>>751583662
That means that you're not paying rent to the Jew right? I'd gladly pay rent to Big Bear and Two Dogs Fucking if it meant I don't have to pay it to the Jew.

>>751557071
My favourite part of this was that one unemployed faggot getting angry and saying they should have hired him instead.

>>751563803
It is your fault for failing to realize you are lumped in with that crowd.

>>751557071
>people happily consume the friendslop
>there was a line of code that might have used AI, maybe
>whole thing ruined
How about you guys stop playing slop and do something else

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>>751561941
There is a phenomenon where models get progressively worse as they rely on outputs from itself or from other AI's and forgets or removes the original human inputs. It doesn't really matter if the AI is good at coding as it relies on the roots of the original inputs to anchor itself, by removing the human roots you remove the competence.

Jeets are more then happy to do this btw.

>>751559987
why the fuck didn't AI consume the bauhaus corporate aesthetic? same goes for "le flat" UI/UX web design, one thing I was hoping AI would replace wholesale because it of how formulaic and generic it was but went the complete opposite way.

>>751584879
You're a retard with out of date knowledge on this topic. LLM's are only one component of agentic AI. What you're describing has been solved and is the only reason why AI coding is as good as it is.

>>751572206
To be fair, no other technology has had the potential for complely upending established systems.
I think on a fundamental level it's a, probably justified, fear of change and loss of livelyhood.

>>751557071
AI is the best fucking thing ever for diagnosing retarded issues.
>Before AI
Google the issue, comb through a bunch of stupid tech forums and deleted reddit posts, never end up fixing it and end up pioneering a fix myself later
>After AI
Google the issue, AI instantly gives me a fix, or with some followup questions eventually get to it.

God I hate looking through tech forums.

>>751559461
assets, have an implicit artistic value. and art is inherently human. but things like the weather forecasting, agriculture and farming, cancer detection, protein folding research, none of that has an artistic value to the average person, same goes for programming. think like animal videos and people getting upset when you point out it's AI to them, people want to see real fucking animals like they want to see real human art.

>>751584980
I was going to respond seriously, but then i realized you assumed I am only talking about language models just because I posted a Claude pic.

You aren't worth my time, have a nice day and a good night.

>>751558859
>>751559285
Eh i'm a sperm donor. I don't give a fuck either way. It will sort itself out.

>>751557709
>Pro AI want to be left the fuck alone to create
LOL. The first thing a pro AI faggot does after getting enough tokens is copy whatever commercial software, proudly announce it on xitter and abandon the project. Or flood the repositories with unreviewable slop.

>>751583228
This issue is more
>why are we not getting the benefits of all this great technology instead of it being mostly for a few corporations who keep telling you that you need to do things the "old world way" and/or starve, while THEY get the benefit.
Its not the technology's fault, its the equivalent of people who saw Star Trek replicators develop and went out of their way to cry about intellectual property so you can't replicate anything to make your life better, but they can continue to get paid for "making" shit with replicators as if they were building it all by hand.

In short its the fact you've been scared into being afraid of bluehairs or soshulism or whatever other buzzword to fight over nonsense, rather than saying that the new tech should make society easier and better for everyone, and the benefit should be applied widely.

>>751557071
Sounds like they lack understanding of their own coda aka it was vibe coded.

>>751557071
>Use AI
>Don't tell about it
>IT WAS ONLY 0.1% OF THE CODE
Kek
Retards have only themselves to blame. Just be a good boy and mention it on the store like you are supposed to.

>>751585321
Ok so where's my rent and grocery money then?

>>751572284
The difference is that changes like the car, computers, and stuff that came in gradually and impact largely working class jobs, a lot of which ultimately just changed in nature.
The AI stuff has the potential to eliminate en mass types of workers you would have thought were safe forever.

Grain, feed, upholstery, horseshoes is just farming, leather/fabric work, metalwork - All of which did not go away.
What the fuck is an artist or a researcher with no other skills going to do?

>>751585560
>What the fuck is an artist or a researcher with no other skills going to do?
Just get a real job nigga?

>>751585471
Something you should be asking the elected officials and their corporate backers who continue to make decisions that ensure "the economy" benefits them, but not you. While we're not yet to some sort of post-scarcity society, even if we were there tomorrow the people who benefit from vested interests are going to demand that you still have to toil or starve so they can have all the benefit, unless you do something about the economic system that is underlying to it. Demand that these corporate fucktards who took huge amounts of public resources and goods to build their AI models should be having them open and FOSS, and that policies like universal basic income are the shit you need to see in the future. You're essentially still dealing with the kinds of people who in the late 19th century were staying
>What do you mean a 5 day work week of only 8 hours? And CHILDREN shouldn't be able to work? We can't POSSIBLY run our economy like that, its all horrible anarchists! Oh boo hoo little bobby got his arm cut off in the smelter, well that's how you make iron okay! Now, let me get back to my giant fucking railroad trust and make sure you go out the back door, I'm tired of seeing "downstairs people" up here.

>>751585584
Therein lies the problem.
It's not going to create new real jobs.

>>751585692
>>Something you should be asking the elected officials
Dude don't be retarded. Are you 18 and just voted for the first time or something?

>>751585758
Ok and? Just ask your family to set you up with one, not like there's not a shitload of free money to go around. Most people have bullshit jobs.

>10 lines of code
I've been working on a project for over a month now and I haven't even seen 1 line of code from it.

>>751561602
I just hope like hell it's going to rationalize it a bit.
Just like Dotcom showed that not everything needs to be a website companies need to see that not everything thing needs a dogshit useless agent built in.

>>751572206
>This technology fucks with the cost of living as it requires 1.21 gigawatts of power and pulls from resources used for houses
>This technology is threatening to replace large amounts of the working force
>This technology is used for scams and to make shit art
>This technology is propping up a fake and gay economy
>Why doesn't the public want to le stomp the brakes!
Why are jeets so disingenuous?

>>751570341
>So a consumer doesn't have a right to know and make a decision based on their own morals?
Unless there are laws specifying it, no he doesn't

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>>751560272
tsmt I don't give a fuck what you got mindbroken by

>>751585810
You're literally asking "We have miracle technologies that require less work to get the same amount of things done and/or far more, why am I still having to struggle far more and end up with far less?" and ignoring who is creating the problem - the ones that benefit from it being like this. You're not going to fix this problem from a technical standpoint because its not a technical solution, its an extractive economic issue that needs a solution where the people who basically have been getting most of the benefit of everyone else's work need to be shown the door (or if need be, face first into a shallow grave i if they refuse to take the door and choose violence) so that you're not fucked over anymore.

A world where there is no need to hire ditch diggers because ditches are dug cheaply by robots can either be a dystopian hellscape because the powers that be say "well, we don't need ditch diggers (or anything else anymore) so...you better find something we value and pay you to do, otherwise you starve" or it can be a better more comfortable world where you don't tell people who used to dig ditches they need to toil in the dirt all day just to eat, and they and everyone else can do other stuff. The entire problem comes from the idea that, in a world where nobody has to do that kind of work (and we're not there yet) yet is operating on the old economic paradigm where "you need to work to eat"., usually because the people who are allowed to control this shit would rather you suffer because it means that they can have far, far more. It makes no sense to allow them to do this.

>>751564367
It's really disgusting looking seeing food genned by AI. It looks so unappealing

>>751586108
>and ignoring who is creating the problem
Moron.

>>751586162
Unsure if you just love the taste of the boot or you're looking for some tourist buzzword like TEH JOO before you can accept the principle.

>>751572764
This is essentially hacker heaven as vulnerabilities will show up time and time again. I won't be surprised that because of this and because people are going to essentially get their own jarvis who can reverse engineer shit, the explosion of sophisticated viruses and malware like in the old days and compromise of critical systems. I won't be surprised if we were forced back to analogue systems out of necessity with things like banking, taxes, etc.

>>751586263
Dude you're telling me these things like you first discovered them yesterday, as I've already said. It's very stupid. No shit. Now what? What are you doing to give me money to live?