Nvidia and AI scandal is the shit that keeps on shitting>Following the departure of now-former NVIDIA CEO, Jensen Huang, a new report by The Wall Street Journal (via Wccftech) has emerged alleging that NVIDIA artificially inflated the ongoing GPU and memory shortage by investing in AI startups that would go on to buy NVIDIA GPUs and build data centers. The reason behind this was to maintain the perception of ongoing high demand and to move an oversupply of semiconductors from TSMC.>The WSJ report cites an August meeting between Huang and his senior finance team, including NVIDIA's CFO and acting CEO, Colette Kress, during which Kress pushed for a reduction in circular financing agreements, in response to which Huang allegedly lay into Kress, calling her a "deer in the headlights," after she had pushed to scale back NVIDIA's $250 billion deal with OpenAI. Jensen's push for further investment into small-scale cloud providers was seemingly in response to the changing tide that saw AI hyperscalers move away from off-the-shelf components in favor of custom solutions.>The situation described in the report saw NVIDIA on the hook for an "avalanche" of GPUs from TSMC, for which it would have no immediate buyers. Part of the issue highlighted by Kress was also that these small-scale cloud providers NVIDIA was investing in could not afford to buy NVIDIA GPUs, meaning they, too, could be a financial dead end.https://www.techpowerup.com/354814/nvidia-allegedly-engineered-scarcity-by-funding-ai-startups-to-buy-its-gpus
>>751592342Tech Power Up is the only website reporting this and it's a fucking blog.
>>751592342That's just the free market working as intended.
>>751592413Literally the first sentence states that's it's reported by the wall street journal you illiterate mouthbreather.
>>751592342No shit? That's just business as usual.
>>751592342Which basically means, now that the vultures of the legal system are circling and looking to pick at Nvidia, Kress will be put back-to-the-wall and is going to have to pull out of those circular financing agreements and then find a new target for all those wafer products they bought from TSMC and can't cancel the contracts of.Which means they'll either start cooking consumer GPUs, or resell the capacity to other parties.The rational move is probably, ironically, the former. A cheap-ass high-grade consumer GPU would sell like hot cakes after 2 years of starvation. There's quite a build-up of a market gap to fill. If Nvidia treats part of those wafers as a write-off and sells the finished product at a loss, which they justifiably *could* do legally in such a case iirc, then they get to legally undercut the AMD competition and get to re-corner the consumer market for themselves.
pccattle will spend $5000 on a bucket of jensen's cum to not have to pay for video gamesthey deserve this
>>751592542BWAHAHAHAHA
>>751592590I'd do it again too just to kill off consoles
How is this allowed? It is revealed that all the AI money is 100% fake, it makes zero profit and they have to do all kind of bullshit to make it appear profitable.So why is nobody saying anything about it? Why does the American government bail them out when it's blatantly not doing any good for anyone?
>>751592342>All of the demented faggots who were vouching for himFace the wall
>oust the CEO>replace him with a jew>it’s suddenly confirmed the CEO was manipulating prices and lying like everyone said, but the jew was totally telling him not to do that guysWhat kind of 4D propaganda chess is Israel playing at here
Death penalty.Send them all to the guillotine.
>>751592413wccftech reported it tooI like checking it because the comment section is a cesspool
>>751592707>4D ChessStop this meme. These are retarded nepo babies who have more money than God.
>>751592656the us government has interests to bail it out when it's the only industry holding the economy up, i imagine. of course voters have eyes and ears and can see getting a new job is hard as fuck, they're still priced out of housing and gas is still expensive, so it didn't work, but on paper the economy is fine so don't worry about it goy
>>751592764The Israeli government are nepo babies?
Jensen Huang did nothing wrong He's being treated worse than Epstein clients, all of whom still have jobs and none of whom have been prosecuted
>>751592342What the fuck...?!Fucking losers!
>>751592779oh and i forgot the FOMO of china ending up with better ai models than the US, of course. which is dumb cause everything china makes in tech is just steal- improving on what comes out of the US
>>751592656>Why does the American government bail them out when it's blatantly not doing any good for anyone?I wonder why. I wonder who is profiting from corporate america fucking everyone in the ass. It is a mystery.
Who cares at this point. Master race can sink on their ship. I'm gonna pack up my pc parts and sell them when they're considered collectors items after the pc market dies out then put it towards a down payment on a house. Meanwhile you can catch my ass in Hyrule on my Switch 2 because Nintendo is going to be the only cockroach that makes it out of the video game Armageddon.
>>751592792Except ex-Prince Andrew, who lost most of his privileges.
>>751592782>Orthodox Jews are nepo babies?YES
>>751592792Big E was based tho.
Allegedly? People have known about this for years, all the money just went in a circle.
It was literally rigged from the start. Anyone who doesn't realize this by now is done for.
>>751592837Reminder that these guys literally want to enslave the goys. They already succeeded in USA.
>>751592413TPU is a giant ass shill site so them reporting Nvidia corruption is kind of a big deal.
>>751592792Nope, he deserved every bit of this. Doesn't even matter if he actually was cheating or not.
>>751592342All the people currently paying more than 1k for GPUs are going to feel really silly in a few months now that the bubble is already popping.
>>751592342bruh, AI funding has been one big incestuous circle since the very start
maybe electing old jewish billionaires and giving them infinite power in government because of pronouns in emails wasn't a good ideas, guys
>investing in companies is baddeath camps for commies when?
>>751592656Because Trump is treating the presidency as a vehicle for his own personal enrichment and is making deals left and right with the tech bros while playing the stock market in ways that can only be described as the ne plus ultra version of insider trading.
>>751592342WTF, uncle Xi needs to invade taiwan and sort this shit out NOW
>>751592875I hate Americattle.
>>751592792If there's one thing you should never do as the CEO of a corporation that works closely with the government, it's work with the US's enemies in any capacity China is like number 2 or 3 on the top list of US enemies for Trump. They're gonna throw everything they have at him. The rest of the legal system will want a piece of Nvidia too, considering there is a case to make here for market manipulation.
>>751592342Oh look, the sole graphics card manufacturer is artificially inflating prices again. Who could have seen that coming? Next you're gonna tell me that Jensen and AMD CEO were actually related?
EVERYONE SHUT THE FUCK UPI have two questions 1. Am I going to be able to afford a new GPU anytime soon? 2. Am I going to see any of my Nvidia stocks money back before the end of the year?
>>751592820>just be a slave to consoles, goy>pc gaming is le bad anyway, freedom is le badI would sooner play emators on a phone then go back to consoles, but i guess you dont have standards.
>>751592413They cite multiple other reports. The only fake thing about OP is the fact this has been open secret for years but everyone has chosen to ignore it until now.
>>7515930831. No2. No
How could this be? AI marketers on /v/ keep saying that Nvidia was working to improve people's lives.
I wonder what else they did and are getting away with. A lot of retards have already forgot about the scarcity of GPUs during the bitcoin popularity in 2017 with 1080/ti and again during the corona period 3000 series and prices, at least in my country never went down to before the 2017 bullshit.
no refunds, sorry
>>751593083lol no
>>751592843Yes, but in this particular case it's worse than the big tech bros having their inner circle work a few wink-wink-nudge-nudge barely legal financial deals. Nvidia, or rather Jensen and his son-in-law who is an Nvidia bigshot as well (nepotism; fuck yeah!), were strong-arming smaller parties into placing larger orders than they actually needed - for which Nvidia would give them lucrative financing via circular financing agreements. If you wouldn't take the deal, these two would put your company on a blacklist and ghost you. No more product for you AT ALL. Being trapped in that position was already being called 'Jensen Jail' in the hallways of the industry.So basically, they weren't just cooking the books.They were actively running a racketeering ring: buy more, or your company gets nothing and goes dead.
>Saar, I bought Radeon and it defect.Anyone remember?
>>751593216>They were actively running a racketeering ring: buy more, or your company gets nothing and goes dead.reminds me of how valve got fucked by memory companies>this is the price, buy now or don't come back
>>751592342Every day I wonder how any of the shit nvidia did wasn't illegal. And to what end? Jensen fucked every industry and corporation, penny pinched at every opportunity and now nvidia is going to collapse and he will lose half his wealth in a divorce. Why would a seemingly high iq person be this confused about the meaning behind everything.
>>751593785it is illegalhowever rich people control the american government so they cant get arrested
>>751593785intelligence does not equal wisdom. some highly intelligent people can be the most insufferable, myopic, and narcissistic pieces of shit you'll ever interact with
>fired for not being a pedo or rapist
>>751592724>Jeet ai run sites report the same fake thing Wow it's proof guys, pack it up, ignore reality of hynix and Samsung saying their new fabs won't be at capacity for 3-5 years Stupid low caste gutter trash
>>751594041saar do the needful dont redeem the fucking luddite you bloody bastard sir
>>751593946You mean for selling graphic cards and chips to China.
>>751593181You guys have to vote this fucker out for the sake of the entire planet.
>>751592342WTF but /v/ told me Huang was based!Was I lied to?
>>751594119I mean Americans did vote for Democrats with a 14 point margin this midterm election. But the next presidential election is still two years away.
>>751592926literally free GDP out of thin airwhy doesn't everyone do that just with different industries?
>>751592656since nobody actually answered:it's because AI is the futurethe means to an end doesn't matter, everything is fake money, you only now realizing that tech is fake money just shows how young and naive you still areI don't care about your job, I don't care about your emotional state, AI is useful and will only get better and better, you may think 'but it's not good enough to do X' and it wasn't good enough to do Y either last year, and now it isthat's it, that's all there is to it
>>751592815What the fuck?!
>>751593946it's to set an example, if the ceo is outed for not following company rules then the people below them will start to break the rules as well because why not?
>>751594203>why doesn't everyone do that just with different industries?China does
>>751593785It sounds like it was illegal, but I imagine the US government overlooked it out of self-interest. Getting in bed with China, however, is the one thing Jensen shouldn't have done in his position, and he allegedly did it twice (fucking a CCP asset and selling hardware indirectly to the CCP). The government is gonna rape him as hard as it can.
>>751594212>a hallucinating chatbot is the futureagi in two weeks? also grim worldview
>>751593181Yeah well at least those 10 trannies can't play college sports any more. Suck it liberals.
>>751594335those vulnerabilities it keeps finding are very real
>>751594258That's why only idiots think China is any kind of economic superpower. Their economy is completely fake and only retards think otherwise.
>>751593083No, the new leadership will have less ties to the gaming industry than Jensen. Whoever becomes the next Nvidia CEO will be someone who sees it as an AI/data center company ONLY. They will likely double down on the data center business and sell 60 series cards directly to data center start-ups. They'll shift more of their production pipelines to the high-end 60 cards to sell to the start-ups, and they'll sell the larger Blackwell boards to the hyper-scalers. I say there's an 50% chance the next CEO will stop production of lower end cards like a potential 6060 because that takes away from the production pipeline for the 6070, 6080 and 6090 which would be feasible for the AI start-ups. Why make a bunch of 6060 cards that gamers will ignore and would be useless for AI when you can make a bunch of 6090 cards that some Jewish billionaire or Chinese shell company will buy in bulk? The Chinese spy narrative is a psy-op because the US was aware of Nvidia's dealings with Megaspeed. Jensen's the fall guy for Nvidia selling their shit to Megaspeed. Nvidia, not just Jensen, but the whole of Nvidia threw $25 Million for the construction of Trump's ballroom to get him to look the other way regarding their dealings with Megaspeed even though Trump passed the ban on selling data center chips to China. Even after Jensen's gone, you can bet that Nvidia will continue to sell their stock to some Chinese shell company. And they're going to continue because playing hot potato with Scam Altman and other data center companies does not generate revenue. The next CEO will see the smol numbers generated from gaming, pay the US gov to look the other way again, and sell chips to some other Chinese shell company. The revenue to support the AI scam has to come from somewhere, and that source is selling chips to China not to you.
>>751593785It’s not illegal, everyone knew they were investing in companies and giving them GPU’s The entire point was smaller companies would allow people to use open source AI while the others would be on OpenAI/ChatGPT
Waitchads cannot stop winning.
>>751592342Uh oh, Jensen simps? Saars? Was he really the problem the whole time?? Your izzat??
>>751594437Damn have waitcucks got a card yet or are they still sitting in the chair?
>>751594478pathetic worm
>artificially inflated gpus sales by failing to sell gpus to startups that obviously would never reach scale of usa tech giantsI dont get it, thats not news thats just noise.
>>751594335you don't work in the industry, or you probably don't even work at all, how's mcdonalds?everyone in the real world uses AI, because it's already useful, already useful and it's 2026>b-b-b-b-but it was bad beforerefer to my earlier point and your lack of a capacity to deal with hypotheticals
>>751594249And now they will set some Jewish bean counter that doesn’t know shit about chips
>>751594437THIS, slow and steady wins the race!
>>751594520I didn't chose to be born a social pariah with a crippling mental illness but ok.
>>751594393When drumpf, elon and leatherman visited China they all fell to their knees after witnessing the world's greatest superpower firsthand
>>751594393It would be fair to say that if their gdp came from ai that doesn't produce any tangible effects, but every country on earth is flooded by chinese cars, phones and various electronics. I don't know how can you deny their massive production capabilities and global sales.
>>751594478>just vote harderVoting doesn't do anything when both sides want you poor or dead.
>>751594528it was bad, it continues to be bad, and it will only get worse as they do the controlled demolition on this scam. you're naive and sound like an nftverser lmao
>>751594591>Voting doesn't do anythingExcept I got an increase in welfare and life was cheaper 5 years ago.
>>751594528>because it's already useful, already usefulSo useful that its blatant when you use a chatbot.
>the main AI chip company takes part of the state wide AI spreading operationPlease tell me this ain't so. /v/ told me Jensen is for the gamers.
>>751592342>The AI bubble was an actual literal scam with the chip manufacturer building fake demand via shell company orders>Nvidia is guilty of securities and accounting fraud in the billionsWell I hope everyone enjoyed having a functioning economy
>>751592656Sufficiently advanced AI will be the best propaganda tool the world has ever seen. Personalized propaganda, just for you, that knows everything about you and can present it in a way that's perfectly calculated to dodge any "this is propaganda" filters that the last 20 years of social media algorithms didn't already delete. It can actually sort all of those mountains of data they've been collecting and collate it into a workable model of a person, which can be fed certain inputs to produce certain results. Also it's pretty good at bitch work and missile targeting.
>>751592656>So why is nobody saying anything about it? Why does the American government bail them out when it's blatantly not doing any good for anyone?Because this shit is an arms raceThe biggest since nuclear weaponsAI is the future of warfareWhatever the consequences on the plebs societies are irrelevant, they're just collateral damageLosing on the AI front is losing everything so they will just double down over and over again and summon magic money and bail out big AI corporations all the time until they win
>>751594606>>751594657>willsmith.mp4you are deluded and your ideology is dead, what do you think happens next year?what about the year after that?you think everyone's just going to wake up one day and decide to think like you do?
short everything
>>751594702>Well I hope everyone enjoyed having a functioning economyYeah, I miss pre covid days.
>>751592342Time for an antritrust lawsuit.
>>751594739>the will smith argumentwhat is a logarithmic growth curve
>>751594606>>751594657The retard is actually correct. I work a big boy desk job and fucking everyone is using LLMs for everything. Probably the most depressing example I can name is an ongoing dispute that a Sales manager is having with a customer, where both of them are just sending finely-pointed AI-generated emails back and forth at each other, which presumably neither of them actually read. It's just two robots fighting.
>>751592656The entire economy is fake and gay
>>751594884Who has More expensive model wins lmao
I'm not sure you people understand the gravity of this.This is, by an enormous margin, the largest securities fraud in history. It is fraud in the billions if not trillions. It is fraud on such an enormous scale that it essentially hijacked the entire US economy. This makes Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried look like office lottery pool organizers.There is an immediate danger of stock crashes and bank runs on top of whatever effects prosecution would have on Nvidia rippling out due to their size.
>>751594529you think jensen knew shit about chips?lol, he was an extortionist. he invested in ai startups so they would feel forced to only buy their gpusbecause of the implications
>>751594949nvidias stocks were in a downfall before jensen quit
>>751594884this does not refute anything the anons you are replying to said though?
>>751592782anon, jews are like, the most hardline of nepo babies to existyou literally cannot become a real jew, you have to be born one, they they give extremely favorable treatment to any born jew, even if said jew himself does not noticebank loans, social benefits, pensions, everything you can think of, they get itever seen a poor jew?you dont, and dont bother bringing it up to them either, they keep a omerta tighter than their purse
>>751594828the same logarithmic curve that was applied to every single technology out there, yeah, planes, space exploration, the electricity, cars>no surely there's no more ways to make any of them better anymore because we've improved on them so much so fastyou have the brain of a child
>>751592342We've known Nvidia was doing circular financing for a while. They acted like a pseudo bank loaning out money to startups interested in buying gpus. On the balance sheets it looks like both companies made money but it's just them giving each other the same money back and forth. They also force companies to buy gpus they might not need in bulk or else they get put on a waiting list. There's a reason why they were extremely overvalued and it's because of creative accounting.
>>751594964>does the guy who built Nvidia and idea of graphic cards knows anything about chips
>>751594964No anonHe founded what amount to shell companies whose sole purpose was to make order for GPUs Nvidia didn't actually have to fulfill so they could show high demand on paper to both their investors (look our runs are sold out!) and customers (look Altman we have so many orders if you want your chips you gotta pay a premium)
>>751592342Add 1 to the counter of nvidia fucking everyone for profit. It's been so much I lost the count.
>>751594994...ok?and?
people are surprised? Nvidia pulled the same shit with Bitcoin. they did artificial scarcity and milked those 'professional'-scale mining operations. it was really really funny when fat shitcoin morons spent many thousands of dollars buying graphics cards just to find out mining shitcoins isn't actually profitable outside of RU and CN.
>>751595050of course not>>751595053not shell companies, these companies will be buying non nvidia gpus going forward because jensen is no longer involved
>>751595043how the fuck is this legal?
>>751595083there will be no "rippling effect" on stocks value, only nvidia will suffer from this
>>751595043>There's a reason why they were extremely overvalued and it's because of creative accounting.Also because everyone and their grandma mindlessly repeated stuff along the lines of>When Everybody Is Digging for Gold, It’s Good To Be in the Pick and Shovel Business
>>751595113White collar crime is legal now. They fired the regulators.
>>751594702Hopefully, the US economy coming down will be enough to incite the country and its people to rid itself of the more oderous political elements, such as everyone and everything associated with Israel through AIPAC funding.
>>751595032you actually have zero idea what you are talking about lmao>you have the brain of a childand top your bullshit of with projection. amazing
>>751595113It's notGood luck getting the SEC to prosecute
>>751595113you dont think nvidia is gonna get raped? there are lawyers drooling to get a slice of their pie im sure
>>751595142imagine actually believing this when nvidia is the only company in the ai bubble that made profit
>>751595142That doesn't follow at allYou have brain problems
>>751592342Is this supposed to be news? No fucking shit they decided to inflate the value of chips. All major industries are owned by corporate cartels if not straight up monopolized. They just increase prices whanever they feel like they aren't making enough profit.It will literally never change because the international finance class literally owns the world.
Jensen would literally respond within minutes to emails from literal whos looking for gpus
>>751595113It's not but the US gov needs to keep the AI cashcow going since it's the only thing keeping the economy afloat
>>751592342I mean, we all know, but it's still weird to see it in the actual news now. It's as if everyone pretended they didn't see it and they're all like "oh no what a surprise"
>>751595194not an ai bubble, nvidia bubblethe ai bubble popped several months ago with the korean stock crash
>>751595024I said the most depressing example, not the best one.You can take a parts list, feed it into Claude, and have it examine the inferred system design (with minor handholding) at the level of an entry level systems engineer within about 3-5 minutes. You can have it draw a diagram of what that system will look like with a few more minutes on top of that. You can ask it complicated questions about the behavior of those parts in particular situations - it will go find the spec sheets and user manuals, download them, and answer you with 95+% accuracy, again within 5 minutes. A day of work for a technical salesman can now be done by a chatbot over the course of about 30 minutes to an hour. It makes less mistakes than most 1-3 years of experience people I've worked with.In other words: we are genuinely fucked, unless your highest aspiration in life is plumbing or you have a ticket for infinite neetbux.
>>751595228The AI cashcow doesn't need nvidia anymore as the article says.
>be gamer in early 2000s>conservaniggers: "Gaming is disgusting and evil, we must destroy it to save us goyims from moral decay that prevents us from dedicating our lives fully to providing wage-slave labor">15 years later>conservaniggers: "uh, we actually want to save gaming!">mutt gaymers: "thank you, conservanigger lobbyist group puppet. You are my greatest ally!">conservaniggers proceed to destroy gamingWho could've seen this coming?
>>751595248>tfw inheriting my boomer parents land and house>tfw inheriting a part of my aunt's land and house>tfw no wife and kidsI don't know what to feel, I'll get near infinite neetbux but I have nothing to spend it on except for food and utilities.
>>751592656Because the economy relies on AI stocks to pretend it's fine
>>751592342So why didn't AMD just sell theirs for the normal price then and win the customers over?
>>751594528Utility is a function of cost and that cost is being manipulated to an extreme degree. This is like the people who think fusion reactors are the future of energy because we can generate a contained fusion reaction which generates 2 watts of energy and it takes 3,000 kilowatts of energy to produce the reaction. Except they’re lying to you about how many kilowatts of energy it takes.AI’s “usefulness” is a function of its capacity to do things better than people. I could solve all of the SWE problems Claude solves too: just pay programmers $275,000 a year starting and have every tech company quadruple their staff, with a quarterly $75,000 bonus to each employee who writes 30% more committed code than the company average. You’ll see an exponential increase in good code output in 6 months. Nobody will do that because it would cost a fucking fortune; it’s easy to “solve problems” when you can just fucking ignore the cost of solving them.You think AI is “useful” but it’s only negative one trillion dollars useful. If people actually had to pay what it costs to sustain it, it would suddenly be a lot less impressive to you and to everyone else.
>>751595423Because they're just nvidia : red versionThey both even belong to the same family
>>751595423They know you'll still buy their stuff at high price. What will you do, buy Intel or have no GPU at all?
>>751595423They will come crawling back to gamers when their funny money dissappears. This is like when Konami abandoned gamers for pachinko parlors and gyms.
>>751595423Billionaires are now customers to billionaires thanks to no regulations, and they prop up the entire economy now. A collective group of smaller buyers like you literally doesn't matter anymore.It's almost like a certain side was right about late stage capitalism but was dismissed because pronouns in the emails or some shit
>>751595504It says in my post.
>>751595423They kinda did. You could get same performance for like 10-25% less money.
>>751592834Europe have more backbone than muttland, more new 10
>>751595563This is the actual problem. When 1% of people have 90% of the money, what's the point in selling to the other 99?
>>751595156as much as i want this, you've lost your mind if this is how you believe an econ collapse will play out
>>751595113It's only legal if you're rich. Preferably you'd also have the proper connections like with Jeffrey Epstein. If you're proletariat and/or a nobody the fullest of the law is held against you.Mental midgets on Facebook and Twitter say that we live in a movie and the world is a stage. They're right, but not in the way they believe it to be.(they'd cry communism as programmed to do if told the truth)
>>751595228>>751595303>AI cashcowExcept AI doesn't make money AT ALL. The value of software has gone down to zero, no one's paying for anything when you can just reproduce it yourself for nothing.The only people making any money here are the companies serving you LLM models and even they are struggling with huge amounts of debt.This whole house cards will come crashing down and the US government will be complicit.
>>751595462Good point, but the money's all fake, so this can actually just go on forever. The debt can accrue endlessly so long as the product produces workable results, which it does, and the government is willing to prop it up with taxpayer money, which it is. Everyone realizes we're in too deep to back out now. The bubble can't be allowed to pop, so it won't.
>>751593130gee i wonder who could profit by making everyone panic and sell their nvidia now that everyone whos bought in the last nearly year and a half is underwatergee i wonder who decided this all needed to happen the day after midterms.gee i wonder who was frontrunning this and started selling at the start of october.many questions indeed. couldnt be jews could it.
>>751595423in the words of AMD, they are a "datacenter first" company
>>751595620Puritism, prosperity gospel, the red scare, and the Bible being cherry picked with their consequences.
>>751595772>the money's all fake[USER HAS BEEN STRUCK DEAD BY REMPHAN FOR THIS POST]
>>751595762It makes the GDP and S&P500 go up, that's all that matters
>>751595778Come to think of it, Lisa said that at least a few days before Jensen got fucked. I wonder she knew NVIDIA will get the hardest anal fucking of its life and will try to scoop some of their customers/slaves/paypigs.
>>751595423If one out of two companies that have the world grabbed by the balls goes apeshit and starts scheming against the market to x50 the price of the thing you are selling, wouldn't you follow suit? Exclude morals
>>751594739There is not now, and has never been, anything resembling Moore’s Law for AI. In the last two decades the only major breakthroughs in AI technology were the development of attention and diffusion. Yes, there have been small gains made in terms of deployed structure (better system prompts, better harness structures, thinking blocks, some efficiencies gained from multiple experts modalities) which you can feel free to cite because they don’t matter. AI is getting “better” by getting bigger. Full stop. They went from a million parameters to ten million, to a hundred million, to a hundred billion, to 900 billion, and on and on. Exponential increases in size which require exponential increases in training and exponential increases in inference cost. The capability of modern models is almost entirely a function of parameter count, and that’s been true of every model (frontier, local, open source, whatever) since GPT-2.It isn’t going to be “better next year”. They can make an even bigger one next year, sure. If they can find an additional $250 billion in unrepayable credit to deficit finance it. And they can scale it even bigger after that. But it’s not “improving”. The quality of output for a given parameter size and token usage is not appreciably improving, even with distillation being used to compress the models. Nothing suggests that this is going to change any time soon.
>>751592542I did vote for this, best case scenario me and everyone else are completely wiped out with only the corporations left that is the ideal USA. No citizens, just corporations, they earned it.
>>751595423In the history of proven controlled opposition you have multiple examples of companies and people acting with more competitiveness than AMD ever has.
whats funny is you retards all fell for the bait. its all an intentional media circus. jensen is even in on it.
>>751595563>Billionaires are now customers to billionaires thanks to no regulations, and they prop up the entire economy now. A collective group of smaller buyers like you literally doesn't matter anymore.its like we're in a post consumer society
>>751595762But AI is the future they said. Open local models won't go away but enterprise models had no chance of making more money than they cost. The only way is croney capitalism with government contracts. Let the tax payers pay for it. That plane fiasco today was their AI spamming the old systems and the solution to fix it? 50 billion to replace everything with digital AI friendly hardware
>>751595563>we just wanna make everything affordable we're just smol beans who want to prevent billionaires from raping you>"sounds good">also FUCK cops, ACAB, fuck white people and white culture. we should only hire minorities, import infinity browns and let transgender people groom your kids and lock up everyone forever for covid and everything needs to be about palestine now andYou can see how this might be a hard sell to the average person. Both sides have fucked up majorly in recent years, but the Democrats were actually able to win big by dialing back the insanity and I immediately saw Democrats announce plans to try and ban AI after their big win, which is not a feasible solution.Hope someone rapes Nvidia, at least. I will suck the cock of whoever manages to bring hardware prices back to pre-2020.
>>751595903>If they can find an additional $250 billion in unrepayable credit to deficit finance it.The US just needs to invade a couple more countries to steal their oil, and then steal the tax money of the lower 80% of their population, that has never been a problem in the past
>>751595772Money is a stand-in for labor. It’s got a bunch of jewish trickery baked in with kabbalistic banking spells, but at the end of the day money is a unit of account measuring who does what for whom. The governments of the world are all so far in debt that they can no longer afford to borrow money and the same thing is happening to these companies. Tricksy tricks won’t change the fact that people are hitting the point where “I’ll do work for you for free because you promise something awesome in the future” is not getting work done.There are real resources, real human labor, at stake here. And behind all the tricks and schemes and magic tricks, there’s a real bond market catastrophe because real people are no longer willing to trade their effort for empty promises.
>>751595998What do you mean?They want to shift focus away from what?
>>751592413Learn to read retard
>>751596089>I will suck the cock of whoever manages to bring hardware prices back to pre-2020.That's never going to happen. If you think you can go to an exec and tell them "hey I know we were selling this shit for 5000 last year but we are now going to sell them for 750" you can take me to fairyland, I want to live there too. At best they are going to dial back the prices to be something like a 5080 costing 1700 bucks instead of 1000. Also don't expect more than a 10% increase in performance for the next generation.
>>751595032humans landed on to the moon in the 60simagine where we'll be by 2025
>>751596089It's pretty funny how the "let's not get raped by billionaires" people just all also randomly decided that they hate everything that normal people are ambivalent about at worst, to the point that they set the "not getting raped" part aside to push for a bunch of horseshit that nobody cares about, causing them to be demonized to the point that more than half of society decided getting raped by billionaires was fucking based, eh? That sure would be convenient for me if I were a billionaire. Lucky break.
Everything is fraudulent top to bottom.>>751595863But what's most worrisome in all of this is that CIA = Mossad, and US Army = JDF. They are literally merged and controlled by the tribe now. It's so fuarkin ovah for the USA.Welcome to the economic zone.
>>751595772>this can actually just go on forevert doesn't matter how much money you have, you can't dump infinity money into something forever. At some point, someone will knock on the door with a bill expecting some fucking profits. Comparing how many billions AI was supposed to save while quadrupling productivity with real world results, you can imagine why stocks are crashing across the board except for Nvidia.And Nvidia is about to get raped hard with all these scandals, so expect stocks to follow suit soon.
>>751595903No, that claim is largely incorrect or heavily overstated. Scale (parameters, data, and compute) has been the dominant driver of progress in modern AI, especially since roughly 2018–2020, but it is not the only one, and the absolute statements (“nothing resembling Moore’s Law,” “only attention and diffusion,” “quality for a given parameter size is not appreciably improving,” “it’s not improving”) do not hold up against the evidence.Scaling laws exist and resemble an empirical “law”Moore’s Law was an observed regularity about transistor density, not a physical law. AI has its own well-documented empirical regularities: the Kaplan et al. (2020) scaling laws and the later Chinchilla refinements (Hoffmann et al., 2022). Test loss improves as a power law in parameters, data, and compute. These have been predictive enough to guide massive investments.AI training compute has grown far faster than classic Moore’s Law (doubling roughly every 6 months in recent years for frontier systems rather than every ~2 years). Algorithmic/software progress has further compounded this: the compute needed to reach a given performance level has historically halved on the order of every 5–14 months (Epoch AI analyses), faster than Moore’s Law. Jensen Huang and others have described AI hardware/systems progress as “hyper Moore’s Law” or faster than the historical semiconductor trend in relevant metrics.
I can hold for several more years before need to upgrade my gpu
>>751592542It's actually really interesting if you've been reading the news. After the midterms, Trump fired his chief of staff, Susie Wiles, a former lobbyist and replaced her with Stephen Miller, a nationalist who just banned lobbying groups from the White House. It could be argued that his pro-corporate moves over the past 2 years was in an effort to raise funds for the midterms, and now that that's over, this may be a sign of him taking a more populist approach for the rest of his term in order to regain his approval. We'll certainly see.
>>751596167>Money is a stand-in for laborIt's been a while since that hasn't been the case. But I do agree with you at a fundamental level, which is the reason I don't do shit that ultimately hurts the community like investing in vague concepts of a corporation existing somewhere or buying houses only to rent them at a higher price, if I'm going to get any money its going to be from my own work.
>>751595903>>751596258There is therefore something that closely resembles a Moore’s Law–style predictability for AI capabilities, driven by scale plus algorithmic gains. The claim that nothing like it has ever existed is false.Breakthroughs beyond attention and diffusionAttention/Transformers (2017) and diffusion models are foundational. They are not the only major ones in the last two decades:The deep learning revival and scaling itself (AlexNet 2012 onward, residual connections, better optimizers).RLHF / preference optimization and related post-training techniques that turned raw pretrained models into useful conversational systems (InstructGPT, ChatGPT era). A smaller aligned model was preferred by raters over a much larger unaligned one.Chain-of-thought, reasoning models, and test-time / inference-time compute scaling (o1-style models, DeepSeek-R1, and follow-ons). These produced large jumps on hard math, coding, and reasoning benchmarks without purely relying on pretraining parameter count.Mixture-of-Experts and related sparse architectures for efficient scale.Systematic improvements in data quality, synthetic data, and training recipes (Chinchilla-optimal and beyond, overtraining smaller models on more high-quality tokens).The statement dismisses “system prompts, better harness structures, thinking blocks, multiple experts modalities” as irrelevant. In practice, post-training, inference-time techniques, and architectural/data refinements have produced noticeable capability gains that compound with scale. They are not trivial.
>>751595903>>751596258>>751596309Progress is not “only by getting bigger”Parameter counts exploded (GPT-2 ~1.5B GPT-3 175B later models in the hundreds of billions to low trillions, often with MoE so fewer parameters are active per token). Compute and data scaled even more aggressively. Analyses (Epoch AI and others) attribute the majority of gains (roughly 60–95% in some decompositions) to increased compute and data rather than novel algorithms alone. Scale has been the main story.EpochHowever, “almost entirely a function of parameter count” and “quality of output for a given parameter size and token usage is not appreciably improving” are false:Capability density / densing laws: Newer models achieve the same (or better) performance with fewer parameters. One analysis of open-source base models found maximum capability density roughly doubling every ~3.5 months. A model released months later can match an earlier one with a fraction of the parameters.NatureConcrete examples: Modern small models (Phi series, recent Llama, Qwen, Gemma, etc.) routinely outperform older larger models on benchmarks. Phi-3-mini (~3–4B) rivaled or beat much larger models from earlier generations on several tasks. Llama series models trained on far more high-quality tokens improved substantially at fixed size. Distillation and better recipes compress capability effectively.Algorithmic progress is real and ongoing. Even if much of it is scale-dependent (certain techniques only shine at large compute), the effective compute for a given capability keeps rising. Data quality improvements are a major part of what is sometimes labeled “algorithmic” progress.Inference costs for a given capability level have also fallen dramatically (orders of magnitude in some cases).
>>751595903>>751596258>>751596309>>751596342Will it just be bigger and more expensive next year?Frontier pretraining continues to face real constraints (capital, power, data quality/scarcity at the extreme end, diminishing returns in some regimes). Making a significantly larger dense model is expensive, and pure parameter scaling is not free. Some analyses note that the largest published parameter counts have not grown as explosively in the most recent years as they did in 2018–2022 (labs are also less transparent).That said, the claim that “it isn’t going to be better next year” and “nothing suggests this is going to change” understates multiple active axes:Continued pretraining scale (where feasible).Better data and training recipes.Post-training (RL, preference optimization, etc.).Test-time compute / reasoning traces, which in some regimes can outperform simply scaling pretraining parameters (a smaller model with more inference compute can beat a much larger one on certain hard problems).Hardware and systems efficiencies.Distillation and efficient architectures that raise performance per parameter and lower inference cost.Models have continued to improve on benchmarks and practical tasks year over year, including at comparable or smaller effective sizes. The quality-for-given-size has improved, not stayed flat.Bottom line: Scale has been (and remains) extremely important—more important than many hoped in the pre-scaling era. The “only bigger” critique captures that dominance. But the absolute claims are not accurate. There are scaling laws with predictive power, algorithmic and data improvements that raise performance at fixed size, additional major techniques beyond attention and diffusion, and ongoing gains from post-training and inference-time methods. AI is improving through a combination of getting bigger and getting more efficient and better-trained, not “full stop” size alone.
>>751596204When the AI industry crashes - and not if - who the fuck will buy the oceans of remaining hardware? Look at the housing market situation: price kept going up and up till the point almost nobody could afford a house, so even the most reluctant, arrogant boomer has to lower their price or wait until he does for a unicorn that never comes. Simple as.>>751596218Yeah, it's a real coincidink. Something something OWS.
>>751596258Thanks ChatGPT I’m glad you cited all the things I told you that you could cite because they don’t fucking matter and I’m also glad your first two sentences confirm my fucking point by declaring scale the dominant driver in AI capability.Maybe you should feed my post into a larger model and enable the thinking block, it might produce a coherent counterargument at the cost of half your monthly usage limit.
>>751595217That's called an email autoresponder.
>>751596089>"sounds good">*votes for trump*idgi
>>751592342How is that engineering a shortage? Nvidia doesn't produce the chips, they're not the ones who can't keep up with demand. If the companies producing memory chips suddenly increased production and prices went down, there would have been no shortage.
>>751596167Money is more of a measurement of your worth in society than it is a measurement of how much value you actually add to it, and "worth in society" isn't grounded in anything but perception. If you can convince people that you are valuable, you are valuable, and they will give you money. The money doesn't even tangibly exist, mostly. You don't need people to work for you for free - you need people with money to be convinced that you are valuable, so that you can pay those people to work. The value is generated at the top and trickles down, rather than being grown from the bottom and sent up, and this is by design. You can't look to history to say it won't work, because history never had the ability to pull this sort of bullshit, and all signs are showing that it probably does work and that nobody is going to do shit about it.
>>751596459>prices went downlol
>>751595423AMD has never tried to be true competition....ever.
>>751596459yeah bro let me just magic up a new foundry to increase production with those don't cost billions and take a decade to build
>>751596465That’s not saying anything different from what I’m saying, really. Nobody actually cares that much if you “are valuable”. They care what you can do for them. “Do” can be applied loosely; if you have a legal fiat granting control over access to some resource, what you “do” is “allow people to use that resource”. If you are a con artist, what you “do” is “tell lies that convince people of something”. But at the end of the day, behind all the abstractions, economics is an arrangement of what we do for each other.
>>751596375>>Will it just be bigger and more expensive next yearAs far as I understand, computing costs keep going up while money coming in is stagnating. So yes, it's gonna become much more expensive. Won't be enough for OpenAI and Anthropic to climb outside of the enormous debt pit they keep digging themselves further into, though.
>>751594636>welfareFucking kill yourself already, parasitic leech nigger trash
>>751596385>who the fuck will buy the oceans of remaining hardware?Hahahahaha. Come on, anon. You can't be on 4chan and be this naive.
>>751595772>>751596167>>751596465>Money is fake!>No it's a stand-in for labor!>No it's a stand-in for value!For fuck's sake you guys know there is a whole branch of education dedicated to this, right?Money and The Economy are how society distributes goods and labor. It is symbolic but that does not make it fake, and it is not a direct stand-in for anything. It is a tool. A mediary.
>>751596607>Chip fabs don't invest in more production >This is the fault of a company that doesn't fabricate chips, somehow.
>>751596613No, compute costs are going down.
>>751596224The fact that White House = Kremlin is more worrisome
>>751596675Webm related tells the story better than I could have by reposting the passage from Grapes of Wrath about spraying kerosene on oranges.
>>751596447Twice in a row, the DNC propped up the least charismatic nothing-burger candidates in existence that no living person would ever wants as president against Trump, who if nothing else, knows how to work up a crowd. It says something when even Biden was seen as a better alternative and that man didn't know where he was half the time.I'm not American so I can't tell you anything more than that, but this is what I can see. The DNC's remarkable blue wave only happened cause, again, they dialed in the insanity. Doesn't help that Trump and his lackeys would stand behind toxic garbage like Vivek though.
>>751595646The US has shown time and again that its investors are insane and retarded and the government will bail out any industry big enoughThe problem comes if investor confidence crashes and people flee from the stock as that would cause a whole lot of debt to lose its collateral - if enough people freak out and call in their debts that starts a chain reaction of "oh god we don't have the money to cover this"
>>751595423AMD is willfully retarded, that's why. They know they could do some crazy shit that would gain them a massive chunk of market share long-term, but they don't do it because of whatever dumb logic they have and short-term profits.
>>751596678Anon you are retardedYou can't just "invest in more production"Building more chip fab capacity is like building a nuclear power plantIf it were economically viable we wouldn't rely on a Taiwanese fab for our chips
>>751596796And this is Nvidia's fault?
>>751596676Money is definitionally a stand-in for labor which can be proved with a simple thought experiment.Is there a way to acquire money that doesn’t involve doing any work? Cool, then why aren’t you doing it right now for infinite money? After all it doesn’t require doing any work, so there’s no reason not to do it.obviously the one exception to this point would be “printing more money” which is a slightly different thing since it’s manipulating the scoreboard directly without any regard for what it’s keeping score of
>>751596796There's like 400+ nuclear power plants on the planet anon.
>>751596679Really? It's not constantly going up due to constantly increasing demand? Tell me more.
>>751595030Nothing wrong with that
>>751596612Well, you're supposing that because there's a finite amount of labor, and money is generated by labor, that there is necessarily a finite amount of money; this isn't true. There is an infinite amount of theoretical money. You don't need anyone to do anything for anyone else to create more of it, because you can simply will it into existence by creating a perception of value. You can call that "labor," in that you are laboring to make the perception happen, but there's nothing to actually weigh the perception against (because, again, it doesn't tangibly exist in the way actually creating a product does), so the perceived value is potentially infinite, which can be (and is) expressed as infinitely growing debt. They can, in fact, simply not pay it back and keep promising things, forever, because the promises are what are actually being sold, and they can effectively be made for free.
>>751596870>Money is definitionally a stand-in for labor which can be proved with a simple thought experiment.It isn't and you need to go back to school but I'll take a look at your premi->you can't make money without doing any work!You wouldn't get into any school worth going to.
>>751596891>posts a graph he doesnt understand and didnt bother to readmany such stories
>>751592656America is controlled by kikes, feels like goymericans gave up and aren't fighting shit anymore
This has the other a.i cockroaches running for cover because once jensen spills his guts to congress it WILL come out how much these companies have been breaking the rules to inflate their worth and the whole house of cards comes down. Pic related.
>>751596937>Anthropic generated around $16.3 billion in revenue in the six months ended June 30, up from $1.1 billion in the year-earlier period, according to the draft prospectus. During that period, Anthropic spent nearly $9 billion on computing capacity and infrastructure, up from $2.3 billion spent on infrastructure during the same six months in 2025. Anthropic spent more on computing capacity in the first half of this year than it did in all of 2025, when it spent $7.3 billion and generated $4.6 billion in revenue.The 2026 numbers in the graph is only from the first half of the year. Hell, the company has admitted they need more computing power than the market currently provides. Do explain how I'm wrong.
>>751596738>Grapes of WrathThank you, I'm drunk and couldn't remember the fucking name lol, so I searched YouTube for the mini documentary that details the current practice of shredding cards and other components the second they're replaced by an updated component, rather than sell or place them elsewhere. But the documentary seems to have vanished. Literal dump trucks loaded with shredded card remains, anon. It was genuinely angering to watch...
>>751592656It forces it's vessal states like Japan and Eu to bankrupt itself into funding this fake shit with actual money and resources Honestly if it wasn't Ai it could have been anything elseThe entire point is to siphon off money out of the world back into the United States
To be honest I thought this was already known.
This is the single largest securities and accounting fraud in human historyNo one is going to care are they
>>751597053It was but nobody was willing to act on anything because jensen was best buddies with trump which made him untouchable which is precisely why he did a lot of these things. Now that protection has faltered prosecutors and whatnot can smell the blood in the water.
>>751596676Go tell your Economics professor that Money is not a representation of Value.
>>751596936Facts is facts underneath all the jewish lipstick designed to dress it up. If you make money, you do work to make money (or, at least, someone did work to make money, then gave it to you). If you didn’t, then anyone could just do what you did and make the money you make. You have a pile of gold? That’s the human effort of figuring out where gold is and then digging it up. You have a priceless piece of art? That’s the human effort of making art and then convincing others that it’s exceptional.Shit happens because people do shit to make it happen. If it looks like someone is “generating value” without doing work, then that just means they don’t want you to think very hard about the work they actually do.
>>751597016>compute capacity != compute cost
>>751597053We already knew that Nvidia was heavily invested in its largest partners like OpenAI which is definitely not kosher but also not direct and ridiculous fraud.Giving startups free money to order your chips so you can turn around and tell your big partners and investors how much demand you have and allow you to crank up the B2B price is blatant fraud, and they were doing it at a scale in the billions.>>751597162>>751597123hush my little retards
you have to be a gullible retard if you think nvidia ousting jensen means the end for the company and their dominance. they wouldnt have let him go otherwise and just swept all of this under the rug. remember, nobody came forward as a whistleblower, this shit was just put out there. this is ALL intentional.
>>751597181Here, I'll highlight the relevant part for you:>During that period, Anthropic spent nearly $9 billion on computing capacity and infrastructure, up from $2.3 billion spent on infrastructure during the same six months in 2025Computing costs are GOING UP. They already SPENT MORE ON COMPUTING IN THE FIRST HALF OF THE YEAR THAN THE ENTIRETY OF 2025.
>>751596459they paid others to pay themselves back and get rid of their stock
>>751597202why would they do that after their stocks were crashing?
>>751593785Americans think market regulation is communism because government involvement in the economy is what socialists did
huh, who knew /v/ was full of raging AMD fanboys.
>>751597289gee i wonder who could profit from dramatic swings in a multi trillion dollar company's stock.
>>751596276Susie Wiles and her daughter have been taking a lot of lobbying bribes. Whisleblowers said it was an open secret if you wanted the ear of the president youd hire her daughter and her lobbying firm. Now that the house is going to start investigating she is going to have to lawyer up.
>>751594212Amazon completely changed the world yet most of the internet bubble investment was wasted and lost. There is literally no technological investment capitalism will not overinvest in once it reaches the point even laymen know it will be a big deal, doesn't matter if it eventually bumps GDP 50% for the rest of human history you'll have had 10 different companies run themselves into the ground trying to capture it before then
>>751597016Anthropic hides the real cost of compute in line items you don’t see on the balance sheet. For example they’ll finance a shell company that buys data center capacity and then licenses it back to them at drastically reduced costs, so a dollar’s worth of compute hits the balance sheet as a nickel’s worth of compute and 95 cents’ worth of “capital infrastructure investment”. OpenAI did similar shell company tricks to hide their real spend on data center construction. The one thing they can’t actually hide is the big red “total value” number.It’s really simple, anon. If Anthropic was making a profit on inference, why would they limit your inference every month? Even enterprise accounts paying per token get rate limited. A company in debt has no business cutting off its own paying customers unless it’s losing money on every sale.
>>751597289The stocks will recover by monday, this is a nothingburger.
>>751597329>who could profit from losing money
>>751592342>Engineered scarcityNo they engineered demand.A simple example.I sell apple trees, I don't sell to people that want to buy apples but the people that sell apples. I then loan money to people to become apple sellers, they use my loan to buy my apple trees. Through this I make my apple trees more in demand, allowing me to sell them at a higher price driving the price up.The people I loaned to now have to buy at a higher price too because they owe me money, they can't just undo the loan.It's the exact same as faking a bid at an auction to get someone who really wants it to drive up the price.
>>751597372YOU lose money, they dont
>>751597040> The works of the roots of the vines, of the trees, must be destroyed to keep up the price, and this is the saddest, bitterest thing of all. Carloads of oranges dumped on the ground. The people came for miles to take the fruit, but this could not be. How would they buy oranges at twenty cents a dozen if they could drive out and pick them up? And men with hoses squirt kerosene on the oranges, and they are angry at the crime, angry at the people who have come to take the fruit. A million people hungry, needing the fruit- and kerosene sprayed over the golden mountains. And the smell of rot fills the country. Burn coffee for fuel in the ships. Burn corn to keep warm, it makes a hot fire. Dump potatoes in the rivers and place guards along the banks to keep the hungry people from fishing them out. Slaughter the pigs and bury them, and let the putrescence drip down into the earth.>There is a crime here that goes beyond denunciation. There is a sorrow here that weeping cannot symbolize. There is a failure here that topples all our success. The fertile earth, the straight tree rows, the sturdy trunks, and the ripe fruit. And children dying of pellagra must die because a profit cannot be taken from an orange. And coroners must fill in the certificate- died of malnutrition- because the food must rot, must be forced to rot. The people come with nets to fish for potatoes in the river, and the guards hold them back; they come in rattling cars to get the dumped oranges, but the kerosene is sprayed. And they stand still and watch the potatoes float by, listen to the screaming pigs being killed in a ditch and covered with quick-lime, watch the mountains of oranges slop down to a putrefying ooze; and in the eyes of the people there is the failure; and in the eyes of the hungry there is a growing wrath. In the souls of the people the grapes of wrath are filling and growing heavy, growing heavy for the vintage
>>751593083I will be selling my NVDA stock after earnings on tuesday
>>751597197You made no points; you just buried the lede in the fact that you're 22 and currently in an Economics 101 class. You actually agreed with both of us:>money is how society distributes goods and laboris exactly what the other guy is saying, and>it is symbolicis exactly the point I was making. Theoretically, money comes from the exchange of goods and services - which necessitate labor - but, since we no longer have to actually have a metric of what things are worth that is grounded against a tangible good, as was the case for almost all of human history, the symbolic nature of money has expanded to encompass goods and services that are limitless, meaning the money is limitless, meaning there is no upper bound on how much money there can be, meaning you can divorce it from labor in generating more of it.
>>751597202Not just Nvidia is feeling the end. All American companies are in slow collapse and each quarter has more debt than the year before with actual sales of anything being half of what it usually is.It's less Nvidia failing and more the entire American market finally having to face objective reality which it tried to ignore for decades. They were only able to go so long because companies like microshit and apple were making so much money the last decade that it could prop up this fake failure tech economy for years and take losses without caring But at some point you actually need to start making something and not just spinning the wheels with fugazi financing
>>751597572if you live in the real world you see every business down to the smallest and most local is rabidly using ai. youre a retard. were nowhere near the collapse.
>>751596168Da jooz mayne
>>751597625>t.
>>751597625How much are they paying?
>>751593785I mean, that´s what they do. They create a narrative to manipulate the flow of events. By making the AI ecosystem seem like the only self sustainable way to not lose an economic war with China they manipulated the greed of investors and the fears of industrialists. It all seemed urgent because they didn´t want to give people time to think, they wanted everyone to embrace AI without question and as early as possible. Many did and many others just copied what others were doing because, in business, nobody wants to be left behind.
>>751597538>YOU DIDN'T DEBATE MEI sure didn't
>>751596870>Is there a way to acquire money that doesn’t involve doing any work?Yes. It's called interest on investments. As soon as you have enough money, there's this weird tipping point where the gains outgrow the losses and to put it in /v/-terms, you've effectively found an infinite money glitch. That's why current unregulated ultra-capitalist economies like the US's are broken and their rich get richer while the poor get comparatively poorer due to overall rising monetary interest rates and the rich pulling up the ladder behind them, bit by bit.
>>751597625If retards like you are the objective reality, unable to even type out we're correctly. Then we've already gone past a collapse into abyss territory.Maybe have jeetpt check your posts before you make them. You clearly need it Mr.Businessman
>>751597767>implying implicationsWhy bother replying then? Do you just want to take turns calling each other niggerfaggots until you cum?
ITT r/nvidia_stocks
>>751592656Because this is a corporatocracy
>>751597686>>751597792vote with your money retards. lets see them short positions. if this is the collapse, you should have puts.
>>751597767Retard
>>751592342I should get a refund, then
>>751597843>Why tell me I'm wrong and stupid if you're not going to waste time debating me?Because you're wrong and stupid?You debate kids crack me up.
>elections didn't go as planned in the US>SUDDENLY something that has been going on for years that everyone knew about is magically a problem>jensen is picked as the fall guy because he was in favour of open source models
>>751597869I think it will be a slow decline rather than a sudden collapse. Confidence is keeping stocks high and the more that gets out in the open the less the investors will blindly trust the technology. Data centers are hitting road blocks and the profit numbers won't stay hidden forever.
>>751598006burger "christianity" is horrifying
>>751598050so you agree with me. were nowhere near the actual collapse. instead you are retardedly saying that while demand for compute goes up and more ai implementation happens somehow nvidia will just slowly go down. brilliant collapse.
>>751597572>All American companies are in slow collapse and each quarter has more debt than the year before with actual sales of anything being half of what it usually is.Don't worry the pedophile from the mega church I go to says that this is the Lord working in mysterious ways and said that I needed to accept the mark to support Israel before he drove off in his $400,000 Rolls-Royce.Of course of this is when Donald Trump wasn't president it's a NWO conspiracy with the devil hard at work to kill us White Christians.
>>751598029>hurr durr i suck cocks>umad? :^)
>>751598036Gamers Nexus covered the AI black market in China already. Nvidia chips are in Russian drones too. Dems winning congress and key red states means this stuff will be subpoenaed and under oath.
>>751598171You can keep your award, anonno regifting
>>751598104I'm interloping in the conversation.
>>751598184>gamers nexusHow about a real source and not some clickbait farmer.
>>751598207I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. You can have the last reply now.
>>751598184how the fuck is GN the only competent investigative reporter on this shit now lmao
>>751598247Sending a team to China where they firsthand show Nvidia products being sold is a good source unless you think they staged it.
>>751598184They'll keep doing it, too. How would the government punish them? The tech sector has the government by the balls. They know they're untouchable.
>>751598379DOJ won't prosecute for 2 more years but states potentially could. Laws can be passed too if there is enough outrage to overcome the veto.
>>751598379You realize the US government is not going to ignore Nvidia hardware ending up in Chinese factories or Russian drones somehow. They would've looked the other way for everything else, no matter how shady, as long as Nvidia wasn't sending hardware to the government's biggest enemies. And that's exactly what's happened.
>>751597774Ah, but that’s just it. Interest is what you are paid for the effort of granting access to capital. You’re basically renting out work. I do “work” for you now if you do MORE “work” for me later. At the end of the day this hinges on “more for me later”.Remove the abstraction of money and you can see investing for what it is. A toy example: I’ll make you a cookie, if tomorrow you make me two cookies. Hey Dave, he’ll make you two cookies that he owes me, if you make me three cookies afterward. Hey Sally, he’ll make you three cookies that he owes me, if you make me four cookies afterward. And so on.You’re trading forward effort by capitalizing on people’s desire not to wait. But behind it all is human effort; and the effort you yourself add is the effort of figuring out who to make these deals with (the most charitable interpretation of which is that you are doing the work of assessing who can make the most effective use of limited resources and ensuring efficient distribution). Yes, there’s some “embodied effort” of acquiring starting capital, but being a neurosurgeon also involves the “embodied effort” of acquiring a medical degree. It’s still just human effort beneath all the fancy investment vehicles and finance instruments.
>>751598451They have known for years where the hardware was going and did nothing. They will continue to ignore it.
>>751598492>ah i see youre selling hardware to our biggest political enemies behind our back, and we didnt even get a cutKeep being delusional.
YU MO GWEI GWAI PAY MY SHAREHOLDA
>>751592792Retard he worked with the chinese to smuggle GPUs to them. That's why the govt and all the heads of its pet hydra are moving now The real question is why it took so long for this to happen
>>751592413Read nigga read
>>751598538>and we didnt even get a cutExcept that isn't true.
>>751598440>>751598451As a best case scenario, they'll fine them a few hundred million, pay it back to them in government contracts, and maybe pass a few regulations that are unenforceable because the only consequence is more fines that will be paid back in government contracts.Any serious consequence would be met with>okay, we'll just move our HQ to China, thenfollowed by rapid backpedalling.
>>751598294Because he just makes shit up for views and screams about AI so redditors watch.
>>751598492They had plausible deniability before.
>>751598294IDK, how did The Flashbulb go from making knockoff Squarepusher albums to singlehandedly dismantling a corporate surveillance state via a Youtube channel?The internet is weird man.
>>751598616Notice how he never talks shit about AMD but it is ALWAYS "nvidia bad"? I'm noooticing.
>>751598603China already had an AI stock crash. They wouldn't kill the cash cow by leaving the US market.
take it away reggie
>>751598294GN is like the>why did you make me do this, I just wanted to play videogamesmeme because everyone else refuses to do their job.
>>751598592If there are severe penalties for anyone caught selling hardware to the Russian government, and you end up selling your hardware to the Russian government through various shell companies, you do that so that the US government does not find out, you dipshit.
>>751598184What's even better is that Steve exposed this entire thing over a year ago lmaoNobody cares, nobody will get punished, weapons grade GPUs will continue being sold to Russia
>>751598689They wouldn't need to leave the US market. The US market needs them more than they need it. Declaring a fatwah against NVIDIA would send us into a depression practically overnight.
>>751593785You voted for this. Not right now, but like for a century or two.
>>751592413nigger what
>>751598747The JewS isn't going to do shit.
there are no restricted gpus in china
>>751595309They realized that gamers are retarded.
>>751598807Even if the US government kept propping it up despite these various scandals, it's not looking like a sustainable model. You can't keep putting off that depression when it's so clear it will happen the second the circular financing stops.
>>751598807>send us into a depressionAnon...
>>751598914K shaped economy. If you play stocks like 10% of the country you are doing great.
>>751595423Because customers (billionaires) are guaranteed customers while customers (gamers) are fickle. Even if AMD puts out decent GPUs with good price to performance ratios, gamers would overpay for Nvidia regardless. If I were AMD, I'd double down on AI shit too, say fuck gamers and fill in whatever gaps in the data center market there are after the latest drama with Jensen.
>>751598960>If you have 100 grand to throw around in the virtual casino and endure the loss, you're doing great!Anon...
do poorfags really
>>751596550Their GPUs are cheaper than Nvidia's while also having comparable performance. You feel for the DLSS meme and overpaid for it
>>751592342sounds a little bubbly
>saying certain people made VIDEOGAMES more expensive is off-topicOh well I guess vidya just went from $60 to $80 on its own. Yup, nobody fucked the economy, raping prices into oblivion. Inflation? What's that? Here we talk about off-topic ragebait threads not reasons for why VIDEOGAMES are so expensive on the VIDEOGAMES board.
>>751592507>Literally the first sentence states that's it's reported by the wall street journal But it wasn't lol, are you retarded?
