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>>567484083
yeah probably. making it take longer to actually autocomplete kinda makes the whole feature suck. its supposed to save time. if they fix the quirks and make it seamless maybe itll be fine, but the carry weight and bumping into npcs really does suck ass.

>>567489143
Is Space Station 13 a roguelike?
When did the SS13 general die?

>>567496674
The /vg/ meta is to constantly bump threads with goon materials
Any game that focuses too much on gameplay can't survive.

>>567497021
So what you're saying is we need to make a goonerlike

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>shoot a plant with a machine gun
>receive 575 xp

>>567489143
an amazingly boring process….

>>567497364
Maybe, maybe.

>>567498195
The best part are obviously overleveled interdictors that appear in swarms and grant 800 xp each

>>567506707
I never grinded this part of the map before because the flies have permanent disease and the enemies have no equipment to sell. The exp is really the only good thing.

>>567498195
>mfw doing the same thing to the spore-spewing mushrooms in fungal tiles

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Any tips for improving my Poison Familiar build? Last time I got a win with it was cycle 30. One of the big problems with the build is ending up with high Scorch/Corrosion stacks from Protective Link. That's how I died to the Horror Giant
Not sure if Plague is worth it, I thought it might help against high poison resist enemies but they remove the stacks before you can stack it high enough.

>>567516292
>that's how I died to the Horror Giant
Bro the OP picture is literally a picture of how to leave the arena instead of fighting the horror giant at all.

I'll try a run or two with the Poison Familiar thing and see if I can do it better. My first thought is that you could just apply Sickness with Morbumancy instead of attacking shit, if your build is supposed to be about the Poison Familiar activating. Drop the psychic tree, pump like 6 levels of Morbumancy, and the poison familiar will activate a number of times equal to (Morbumancy level * Poison Familiar level). Leave your third school open for emergencies, and don't spend all your points. If you have extra points, you can summon extra familiars by leveling up the skill in case your first familiar dies.

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>>567518490
>how to leave the arena instead of fighting the horror giant at all
I did not know you could leave without killing everyone, lol.
The original concept was a bare fist build that happened to trigger the Poison Familiar aoe 100 times per punch. Not sure if you can have a hybrid martial / familiar build at cycle 32 without spreading yourself too thin.

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>>567521238
Biggest problem I'm having is that you can't scale your own life and your familiar's life effectively at the same time. Willpower gives you damage and increases familiar life, but your own life value is going to be shit on a familiar build. I've done C32 with Ice Familiar before but it involves a bit of trial and error, and I think Poison Familiar is weaker than Ice Familiar.

play stoneshart
it's pretty cool

Poison familiar is straight ass.

I killed Tezctlan and now everyone hates me...

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I fucking HATE roguelikes

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>>567523250
>you can't scale your own life and your familiar's life effectively at the same time
Goblin of Apophis? You get a ton of free strength and a spammable prayer that removes conditions, you just have to watch out for packs of ranged enemies that will nuke you with the 7% max health self damage.
Wouldn't do Technique + Bheith Nocht again. Got an early dread helm and wanted to see how it did, but most of the damage in this build comes from Poison Familiar splashes, not bump attacks.
Jobbed to the King because he teleported my Familiars (I think I had like 6 saved up) away and Freeze + Entangle'd them so they took forever to get back into melee.

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Well this run was pain. I went back to projective link because I can't possibly get my own character's speed up to a respectable value, so the familiar has to activate the effects for me. Unataak saves me from status effects inflicted by projective link, and Morlock race gives me extra Takhal prayers every level. Plus the skin familiars are nice extra bodies.

>>567537618
Nice work anon!

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>>567489143
Whats the deal with the Cataclysm Dark Days Ahead fork The Last Generation?

From what i can tell Worm Girl is a bitch but a bitch with a vision. It seems to me she is trying to make it like unreal world and just make things more realistic / harder. Is it worth a try?

>>567556926
It's a mix of good and bad depending on what you prefer. If you prefer the minute to minute survival aspects over the long term character progression systems, i.e. mutation/cybernetics, base and vehicle building etc., it will be more good than bad for you.

What I like the most about it is how it cleans up and cuts a lot of the bloated shit in the game which is my biggest pet peeve with DDA. And it reverts the setting to be less weird and wacky, they straight up removed the exodii for example which I also prefer. I still went back to playing DDA though because I don't enjoy the greater focus on finding food and other basic survival resources.

>>567556926
>>567558945
And it also makes combat considerably more difficult mostly by nerfing the player. Almost every armor in the game is heavily nerfed or removed. It's much more difficult and costly of encumberance to reach the 12 armor that makes you immune to basic zombie attacks for example.

This is a good example of the mixed bag nature of the fork actually. I really really like how it cleans up the armors so there aren't a million disjointed pieces that have janky incompatibilities in body part overlap and completely batshit balance of their armor values as in DDA. But I don't like how it makes it so much more difficult to achieve those important combat break points like basic zombie immunity.

>>567556926
Looks like shit to be honest

Bump

infinite tummy slasher

>>567532181
Perfect, you got the roguelike general thread maintenance job! You start now, shifts over NEVER

Good night, /rlg/

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Any anon have a spare key for this gem?

any mystery dungeon recs?

>>567580306
been playing shiren 6
It's solid

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which way, /vg/

>>567583590
north looks open, I would run to the north brick house to escape anything chasing and get a better view.

>>567584896
north it is

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>>567584896
safe. what next

>>567585313
peek through the curtains to see if the north/northwest clearing is safe, if it is run that way to escape the city. once you have escaped the populated area you aren't in any more immediate danger.
if there is no safe path out of the city, sometimes it pays to wait until night so they can't see as far.

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>>567585834
peak outta what, that seems too dangerous

>>567585960
you can peek out of closed curtained windows by using activate on them, peeking lets you see the other side without enemies being able to see you back. If there are curtained windows peek through them, if not, you can crouch down which makes you much more difficult to see through clear windows. You can probably still get a good enough view. If that noise you see is an enemy you might have to lure it away or kill it. kitchen knives are actually quite good weapons. If you are still surrounded by zombies, outside the house, you might have to wait until night like I said.

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>>567586204
lmao its nothing, it was just a bunch of noise

>>567556926
TLG is shit, like DDA. BN is somewhat less shit, but still shit.

I'm quite tired of medieval fantasy. It's overdone. Are there games with modern settings? I don't dislike CDDA, but it's just too in depth for my taste.

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>>567589758
>i wanna dip my tongue into the shit, but NOT too much into the shit

>>567589991
Yeah actually

>>567589758
>tfw opposite feeling, but regarding horror games
It baffles me that we don't have any medieval survival horror games. I want to carve a path through Dracula's castle or some shit, but like where zombies/skeletons/cultists are actually a threat and not just mooks.

>>567591458
You mean gothic horror

>>567593438
Gothic feels like it has too much of a Renaissance connotation imo. I want knights in armor going through horrifying trials pre-gunpowder with sword, bow, and light magic elements. We have plenty of games in medieval fantasy settings with horror elements, but seemingly no actual horror games.

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>>567595315
Dracula and zombies are post-Medieval

>>567599941
>no anon, these specific living dead aren't historically accurate to that time period!
I know we're on 4chan, but try not to be so autistic m8.

is surf dracula gothic

>>567600463
>try not to be so autistic
Sir, this is /rlg/ there is no hope

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>play roguelike
>the food can't jump
immersion ruined

>>567589758
Cogmind.

>>567589758
GearHead

brazier

>>567615665
Does cata not have outdoor grills? Seems like finding one of those would be more intuitive than a brazier for "containing a fire"

>>567615665
Stop talking about braziers

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sad

>>567622302
Is brazier not a general term for portable fire container?
Like all grills are braziers but not all braziers are grills.

>>567626205
They can have a gorillion pairs of lgbbq+ socks but braziers have to be consolidated as "same shit"

>>567591458
Sil-Q is trudging through the halls of the Devil's castle.

>>567626205
it is a slightly weird choice.im sure ive seen it once in real life at a home hardware store, but its not really a common term. its kinda old?

Just beat Shadow of the Wyrm Godslayer as a pugilist for the first time. It was easy aside from a Gabar clutching the First Holy Book almost instakilled me (I had 400hp) because I "only" had 90% Holy damage resistance.
imho it's an overrated class.
It's good in the sense that it gives you combat, awareness and intimidation if your race doesn't give it, and those three skills are amazing for melee combat. On the other hand, it has a big issue in that while your unarmed damage does go up as you level up, you don't gain resistances, which you would gain if you equipped a magical weapon.
It's true that at level 50 pugilist unarmed damage is higher than the second best sword you can get (Heart's Fury) before entering Telari, but it is worse than the actual best sword you can get (the World-sword), which also gives you massive resistances. Resistances are the most important thing to get to actually survive the final stretch of the game.
The one advantage is that once you get the upgrade from The Smith, level 50 pugilist does the most damage in the game, even more than the God Blade. But then again, that amount of damage is massive overkill so the huge resistances that the God Blade gives you is infinitely more valuable than doing even more overkill damage. The God Blade also has 2 range instead of 1.

Pugilist also starts with very little armour. I attempted Fae Pugilist and got instakilled by the first hound at the start of the game. Ended up winning with Giant Pugilist. Giant is probably my favourite race.
An issue of GiPu is that you don't have the Magic skill, which so far I don't know if it's possible to get it playing if you didn't start with it.

I played Shadow of the Wyrm. I made a Goblin Oracle. I walked into the graveyard one tile away from town. I killed a hound, and then I got killed by a graverobber. The end.

>>567637380
Nice work anon.

ToME scholars, on a 1-10 scale how suboptimal/retarded is mindstar and shield for Wyrmic (or in general)?

>>567652158
Dwarf and ogre are the recommended starter races and warrior and pugilist the recommended starter classes.
Dwarf warrior is as straigthforward as a roguelike can be.

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>>567626205
brazier is like a medieval term, I have never seen it in real life, the only place I have heard it is in fantasy video games. Things that could be called "braziers" IRL are almost always called fire pits in my experience.

>>567626205
>>567661868
and I just searched "brazier" on amazon, the only thing that comes up is women's bras lmao.

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Blud.

>>567663169
Well done

>>567658925
I think I need a wiki to exist for a game like this, so I can read up about the options I'm making.

>>567673507
The game comes with a doc folder with a guide you can read up.
There's still a lot of info that's not explained so you have to learn by playing.
SotW is not a popular roguelike so there's veryl ittle info out there. If you have any question feel free to ask me.

Good night, /rlg/

>calling a brazier a "fire pit"
>so it's an above-ground "pit" standing on metal legs
That is fucking stupid. Like referring to grilling as "barbecue"

>>567680969
I don't make the rules, that's just how it is. Go search "fire pit" and "brazier" on amazon, see how relevant your results are. If "brazier" was ever a commonly used term it certainly wasn't in this century or the last one and probably not even the one before that.

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Im sick what am i playing the next 2 days?

>>567681368
Read a book

>>567682023
cope harder fantasyfag.

>>567681895
CoQ

>>567682130
>I can't find a word on Amazon
>therefore it must be from ye olden dayes!
The only cope here is yours

>>567683721
I was curious to see if I could find a single example of a "brazier" being sold online, and literally the only one I could find was from some historical reenactment place selling reproduction 18th century stuff lmao.

Apparently "brazier" today is only used to refer to fancy pots and pans for braising meat. That's the only thing I could find by that name that isn't a reference to history or literature or women's underwear lmao.

>>567684301
Works for me:
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Brazier-Carbon-Steel-Brazier-Bbq-Barbecue-Portable-Picnic-Firewood-Mewmewcat-Twirltide-Wotao-Hxber-carbon-steel-brazier/14562174668

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>>567686418
I think the fact that the best you could find was some unreadable SEO description of an item on the 50th page of walmart that's straight from china reinforces my point more than yours lmao.

>>567687904
That was one of like 50 results, I picked it because I figured you wouldn't try to pick apart a Walmart result to squeeze out an "um ackshyually", but I guess I was wrong about that.
Fie upon you, sir!

>>567691185
were the other 49 worse or something? I can't imagine a random walmart page for a third party chinese seller with zero reviews was the most convincing option out of 50.

>>567681895
SotW so I'm not one of two anons ITT who play it.

>>567627272
the whole thing is stupid because you wouldn't want to use an open fire like that inside anyway. without a chimney you would immediately gas yourself out of the room from smoke. the best option would be to cut the brazier entirely and force you to make or find a wood stove or fireplace to have indoor fires.

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>>567691873
Brutal.

>Agree to help man being hunted by kings guards hidden around town, turn around, kings guard stabs me, the end.

i will try harder

>>567695754
>nigga thought he could defeat armed guards as a lvl1 shitter
jokes aside, low level SotW is extremely and I do mean extremely deadly. evem bu RL standards. Leveling up is very important to get more HP as a cushion for the times when an enemy crits.

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>>567697326
Going better now. However i went through those stairs in the bottom left and the game hard crashed.

Since im restarting are craft skills even useful? The docs for this game are vague. I was kind of putting everything into combat with a few into fishing/tanning. I might swap to something that can make potions if its implemented.

BN doesn't have staunching light bleeding by applying pressure(by skipping turns with free hands)?

>>567711226
>BN doesn't have (critical game mechanic)
Too many such cases!

>>567711226
No but bleeding does stop on it's own if you leave it for a couple of turns

>>567711226
bn split from dda forever ago, they are basically 2 different games.

>>567711802
>critical
lol

>>567695719
barbecues would make those propane tanks more useful

>>567718147
In DDA, you can use propane with propane torches to cut down metal doors/bars just like acetylene torches in 0.H (latest stable), but you can't do that anymore in the latest experimental because apparently propane flame isn't hot enough to actually cut metal effectively.

braziers

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>don't need ammo
>Quasis give free food, repair, and healing
>level gen makes nice long corridor for efficient pierce through killing
Who would have thought, the demonic dimension is actually comfy times
I'm going to the bottom and see if I find anything cool for my loot pile

>>567707889
Are you playing with the latest version (1.9.1.2)?
I had a lot of technical issues with versions 1.8.x but with the latest one no problems to speak of.
>Since im restarting are craft skills even useful?
ehhh I haven't been able to make them useful but to be fair I never fully invested into them
> I might swap to something that can make potions if its implemented.
Potionmaking was implemented in the last build.

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Pretty good build aside from constantly killing myself with self-damage.

>tome4 is actually dead
Huh?

>>567502881
We tried, didn't work.

>>567729505
I swear they said they were coming out with a new DLC like a year ago

>>567729505
I played tome4 just once and didn't like it. Felt too much like some diablo/wow crap with the insane amount of activated abilities and infinite mindless random items that are just "sword with +2 fire damage" vs "axe with +5 cold resistance". Worst roguelike I ever played.

>>567729949
Dorkgod can't code, and minqmale killed troonself so...

>>567730719
Beta was actually up like 3 years ago, so it's not the issue of producing contents
I think it's psychological.

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Which roguelike should i play for 1-2 hours?

>>567732315
Achra is perfect for that playtime but I've been interested in getting He Is Coming myself lately. Is that pretty good for quick runs too?

>>567734073
I don't know anon, i've only played for some minutes but i guess yeah, it's good for a quick run

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I've been trying to win with the "random power" selection. This one was pretty good but I died in literally one round to ice wasps because I had no defense.

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Now to find filament/advanced printer so I can make this a bit lighter and move my stuff in.

>>567725506
Hm nevermind, Im on the last floor and the barons have a new pact that reflects my shots
I just lost my foot and my head to this (somehow losing my head isn't an instakill)

Wow, I didn't realize you could examine the impaled XEDRA officer on z -4 of a distorted lab and trigger a fun thing. The reward is nice too. I was just randomly looting and pressed e by accident.

I miss the old days of DCSS spam.

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>>567767582
Is current DCSS too streamlined to be bothering posting about?

>>567751119
it's cool but imo it's a pretty shit encounter design. I died to it the first time I saw it because literally how are you supposed to know that you have to hunt down a specific enemy hidden somewhere to stop it? I tried to just shoot the enemies coming after me until I couldn't anymore, then I tried to run and I almost made it out before dying.

the physics labs are a pretty amazing location though, the bottom floor is absolutely crazy.

>>567777564
Guess I lucked out then, as he found me first after I cleared the first ~10-15 hostiles.

By the bottom floor, you mean the floor below the one with the impaled mercs, right? The lowest z -10 floor is apparently just endless void. It is pretty crazy. I was too afraid to engage the flying shrapel things, though I heard they're vulnerable to EMP, but I ran out of the usual 3 grenades I carry and all my rifle ammo pretty quick with all the shoggoths and nether stuff. I did find an artifact that adds +3 int just by carrying it not far from the entrance. Is there something at the "end" of the floor? Or is it purely for getting more random artifacts?

>>567784647
yeah I mean that floor, if you leave the elevator you get constantly teleported around, the weird alien things are not hostile and apparently unkillable, if you check out their stats on the hitchhiker page it's pretty hilarious.

>>567777148
Attacks of opportunity just ruined DCSS for me

>>567777148
Some changes to gameplay systems made a lot of edge cases really uncomfortable if you're used to the old game, but the actual content (Dungeon, Lair, Orc, S-branches, Vaults, Zot, endgame, etc.) is the same shit it's been for 20 years. It just feels like the same game but worse. There is still plenty to like about DCSS at its core, especially if you're looking at it with fresh eyes, but I personally don't want to play it anymore.

Good night, /rlg/

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SELECT YOUR CHALLENGER (soon)

>>567796513
I wanna be uh the snake with a sword held in its tail, and I'll take the yellow power ranger as my deity, and I'll take the class that throws 3 green orbs at people.

>>567796513
For me it's autistic red dragon, two stone statues with one boob each as my deity, for my class I'll take the sparking pharaoh-flavoured lollipop

braziers

Why is path of achra so popular here?

>>567806918
>My builds! Let me show you them!

>>567806918
Easy to get into, plus a lot of people prefer the making a build aspect over the tactical play aspect of roguelikes.

>>567807737
Which one is easier, Achra or Jupiter Hell?

For me it’s crab

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>>567807954
Achra is complex, not hard. Jupiter Hell is more difficult to beat, but it's simpler to understand.

>>567811756
sweet, i will play it today

brazierlikes

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>>567767582
It literally came to life.
Nefertiti and Akhenaten begat Cait-sith and Grimalkin, AKA Strong and Shy.
It is wise to honor the gods
Especially when others defile them.
Long Live Fairy

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>>567823653
i dont get it

So in crawl, how important are resistances vs say raw power in terms of armor or weaponry? And how meaningful is mindelay really? Usually I've been going with weapons that just have the most damage and whatever armor has the highest AC. But by the mid game I just find myself struggling. I was curious if I just need to play more tactically or if I'm better off using weaker weapons with a lower mindelay and focusing more on resistances. Like how much do those make or break strategies? I can't evaluate these very well and can't seem to find a guide on how to weigh those choices effectively.

>>567824363
>how important are resistances
Getting one pip of resistance against the damage types in a given area is almost mandatory in DCSS, unless you can nuke things at the edge of LoS. In particular, you'll get absolutely fucking owned by fire, cold, and poison damage without resistances because those are common resistances and therefore they made the damage values extremely high under the assumption that you'll have resistances. One bite from a spider can deal like 80 poison damage.

>how meaningful is mindelay
If a weapon is your primary way of killing things, then it's extremely important to swing it faster. Kill things faster, take less damage.

>I've been going with weapons that just have the most damage and whatever armor has the highest AC
Don't do that. 2H weapons have the highest damage, but they suck compared to 1H+shield. Body armor is a good place to get a bunch of AC, but it can also shore up your resists so it just depends what you find. Gold Dragon Scales are often the best late game armor for fighters, but you could be wearing almost anything before you get to that point depending on the RNG.

frogcomposband keeps defaulting my save file to female, every other trait stays what I put it last though
What's up with that?

>>567826742
kek I have the same issue

>>567806918
1 button "gameplay"

>>567824363
>>567826370
The point is correct about resistances, if I'm doing an S branch I would much rather have rPois than slaying, AC, EV or any other strong general use ring. Once you get that far then one elemental level of elemental resist is basically mandatory against enemies that have damage types, you don't ever want to be fighting a Fire Giant without rF for example since fireball can do 75 unevadeable damage.

But I disagree a bit on min delay. It's not that going for min delay early is a big mistake or anything and i do it often anyway but that as long as you can swing at 1.0 you avoid getting double turned and almost always your damage will usually be good enough through the first few runes especially if you get lucky with a highly enchanted weapon. The damage per aut increase is pretty good going from 1.0 to min delay for most weapons but skill but there's a significant opportunity cost in getting better defensive skills, support spells, evo/invo etc. You have to consider aptitudes as well as what actual weapon you're using. For melee dudes going straight to 14/16 for a demon weapon or eveningstar or something is probably the right choice but maybe not 18/20 for broadaxe or partizan.

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>>567809428
I've been having fun with the challenges recently.

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I finally found something on floor 12 of the Venus bramfatura
Idk if I want to keep going, mowing down hordes of quasimorph is getting tedious
I'm also constantly savescumming cause there's absolutely no way to tell if one of the baron has activated his reflection pact, so I'm regularly killing myself

>>567806918
>>567807737
>>567833370
Achra's gameplay is much more complex and developed than most RLs.
For most RLs the gameplay boils down to bumping into enemies while not drawing the attention of too many enemies so you can heal in between fights. There isn't that much in terms of tactics other than funneling enemies through a corridor or knowing which attacks an enemy is weak to. You must also know which item does what and in what situation they are useful. That's about it. Once you get your bearings of how the game feels after a couple of runs you can get away with suboptimal gameplay because you learn what are your limits and how you can choose to push them or not, usually by staying away from enemies you can't defeat yet.
C30 Achra forces you to actually think through every decision and it has a clear impact. Your choice of race, class, god, started skills, skills you pick up as you gain glory, stat increases and equipment are all meaningful, not just a straightforward +1 damage like in other games. The game is streamlined so that you don't have to play too long to see if your build works or doesn't, it will destroy you or let you dominate.
Thinking which ability is going to work properly and which one won't in a multitude of scenarios is much more engaging than looking at 6 big scary monsters who cant' do anything but melee damage and walking back into a corridor so you can bump into them one at a time until they all die.

The Achra fan olds down tab with his left hand as he types out essays to scold you with his right hand.

>>567840050
do you also regularly find shit like production chips in there?
I wonder then if they'll ever let you do "endless" vs. humans at their Earth HQs

>>567851682
Nope, just loot from the dead quasimorphs and very very rarely a quasi implant on the floor, I cleared 9 floors and only found 2 implants
If you just want to farm pacts or gavvakh you'll be very happy

>>567847082
You hear the rumble of distant thunder.
This raw flesh tastes delicious!
You activate your Hyper Futa Mare Cock.
Thinking of Maud you forget everything else.

Does anyone know if there's a relatively stable release to play Xedra Innawoods in CDDA? The newer ones crash after you first sleep and the older ones are incompatible.

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Okay this class is pretty strong, actually.

Achra should be illegal with how much content it provides

Help, I think I've turned off autopickup/destroy in frogcoposband and I cannot find the fucking command to turn it back on

>>567861312
Nevermind found it _

>>567860646
Roguelikes for this feel?

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>>567860646
0:08 is far too human

>>567861950
Nethack (he's rolling for a perfect wizard)

>>567860646
Do we know that there is something in the other hand?

>>567861491
Thanks for keeping us updated.

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Skeletons can indeed become lizards. This class is pretty bad because it limits your speed to 15, but that doesn't matter if Yu is your god.

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>>567861303

Check it out. It'll change your life.
https://cross-bearer.itch.io/strident

>>567881113
>2 dollarydoos
In this economy?

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>>567855109
Nice, I went for Zealot of Takhal since the cap on your charge stacks is max health, usually

>>567887624
>the cap on your charge stacks is max health
Very true. It doubles every time, so I think you could have actually gotten 160k charge stacks if you used 3 divine interventions to keep doubling your charge stacks at the end there. It's all in one hit so you can safely burn divine intervention to go even further beyond.

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The dev himself says he wish it had more difficulty like Rift Wizard. I think him starting it on cycle 1 was a mistake.

Its a shame he stopped development because i really do think it would take him long to make another mode to increase the difficulty. Being able to see your future loot makes things too easy in my opinion.

>>567899298
The different prestiges are meant to balance that.
Some are super easy, others scale horribly into higher cycles. Winning once on C32 is just the beginning. You "win" Achra after you finish every prestige.

>>567846935
That's not gameplay, that's charop building system mastery. The actual gameplay is mostly over when you actually enter a level, after that it's down to the "1-button gameplay" the other anon is talking about.

>>567899298
>dev himself says he wish it had more difficulty like Rift Wizard
It's the exact same kind of difficulty, though. Rift Wizard has some builds that can get nearly 100% winrates, but they get boring so you fuck around with suboptimal builds to watch the explosions happen in a different way. Achra also has builds that work nearly 100% of the time, even at C32, but the fun is in playing all the different builds and trying to make them work.

I suppose Rift Wizard does have more difficulty if you count the trials, though. Those are much better designed than the Maqbara in Achra.

>>567897843
release him

>>567900212
Char building is gameplay.

The updates say strip clubs might have color schemes now?

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>>567904214
No, it's not!

>>567681895
install gentoo

>>567719429
the fire isn't what cuts the steel, it's the oxygen jet that cuts the steel
you can get steel hot enough to cut with an oxygen jet using just propane, but a propane torch won't have an oxygen tank to make a jet of pure oxygen to shoot at your hot steel

>>567911038
The important DDA question is, would a fat guy like Kevin be able to do it?

>>567913101
That's what the candy mods for

>>567911038
propane cuts like shit though compared to acetylene, the propane flame temp is way lower. It probably doesn't matter much for the stuff you cut in game since afiak it's all pretty light metal, but when you are cutting heavy steel acetylene is much better.

Doesn't really matter for the purposes of the game anyway since acetylene is easier to find than propane lmao. And you barely ever have to resort to torch cutting so one or two large tanks you find in a random industrial site is enough to last a very long time.

>>567915125
heavier and thicker steels are way easier to cut with colder flames like propane btw because the steel generates most of its own heat once you get it started
you can actually completely turn the flame off and just use the oxygen jet and the heat from the burning iron to cut steel as thin as 1/8th of an inch once you get it started, which is a neat party trick

>>567915824
>heavier and thicker steels are way easier to cut with colder flames like propane
sounds like total bullshit, did you get this from an AI or something? every shop I have worked in would never use propane for cutting heavy metal.

>>567916557
yeah because getting it started is slow and our time is worth way more than some spicy gas

Good night, /rlg/

oyasumi nasai, goshujinsama

good morning /rlg/

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>>567929123
Good morning saar

>>567929281
there's no way a rogueliker is waking up that early on a weekend, I bet my man is in Japan where it's almost noon

>>567929281
>>567929461
It's actually 6am where i am, i'm reading a VN and later i will play Nuclear throne or Achra, dunno which yet

>>567929863
go the fuck back to sleep you retard
I can only assume you're russian in the part of russia that's not trying to pretend to be European

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Anybody else tried Rangedrifter? Very new minimalist roguelike but the aesthetic is rather kino, has a cool parallax shifting thing the makes it feel like you're under a forest canopy.

>>567930180
i fell asleep at 9pm, i slept enough anon

I'm going to kill myself

>>567932286
Roguelikes for this feel?

>>567932286
lmao why

>>567932937
Elin lets you kill yourself directly using the "self-harm" ability

>>567934151
Reminds me, in CDDA you used to be able to cut yourself with anything that you could write on items with, but somewhere between 0.F and 0.H they removed it. I thought it was a fine mechanic to get use out of the bonus morale masochist gives you since you didn't need to risk being grabbed and bitten by zeds to use it, and they could have easily expanded on it with bloodletting as a ghetto alternative to centrifuge blood scans or just for storing blood for future transfusions. I assume they removed it for the same reason they renamed 'Commit Suicide' to 'Abandon Character' and removed the default keybind for it. Fucking transvestites.

>>567935986
BN lets you cauterize with a hot knife, and still has "commit suicide" as an option. Does that make it a real roguelike?

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>>567935986
yfw the devs who made this fucking thing are in fact edgier than the devs who made the most hardcore zombie apocalypse sim ever created

Bump

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>>567931549

I like it but right now its too minimalist for me for 15$. Its a great base if he sticks with it for a year.

>15 monsters
>$15

>>567944754
Yeah agree it is a little overcosted. $10 would be more fitting, I bought at the $12 launch price anyways since I've been hungry for new RL and the dude will be lucky to sell 100 copies barring splat or somebody covering it. Hoping he does continue to build it out because it's pretty fun and atmospheric even as bare bones.

bumpin b4 bed
gn /rlg/

>>567949374
Good morning good night poster

>>567944754
woah 4 weapons

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getting tired of this error popping up every time i boot the game. Any idea how to fix it? a clean install doesn't work

>>567954701
Start a new map?

>>567955262
bit late for that, but I don't mind deleting whatver is causing the issues

>>567955482
Just ignore the errors

>>567954701
Boot the game or load your save?
If it's the latter, it's likely you have this map tile revealed in your save, but it was renamed or removed in the code so you're left with a weird tile the game doesn't know how to display or generate. It's the price you pay for playing experimental. Maybe you could readd it using a small mod or something.

Look at the lookalikes list here: https://cdda-guide.nornagon.net/overmap_special/2storyModern01
If you set the version to 0.H, it lists house_09b and if you click it, it says it was obsolete even then (but still in the code) at that point. If you set the version to the latest, house_09b is gone entirely, so the game is left with an unknown map tile. I think the only way you could fix it is through a small custom mod. I never tried modding cata myself, but I hear most content is json-ized meaning you don't need to recompile from source or even program anything, just make a very human-readable json with the data for the tile.

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>get respiration+invis charm run on brogue
>die
>exact same setup next run
you ever feel videogames are sentient
426833608 if you also want to give it a spin, latest version

Roguelike joke
What do British people call a zesty gay man?
An eggnog

>>567962653
I thought the answer would be British

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well, cya, cant wait to die Rambo style fighting soon

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>>567965526
same run, how wild it would be mesmerising weapon with this cloak

>>567911038
You can cut steel with just an air compressior and a plasma cutter.
So no fancy shit needed at all.

You have received a divine intervention.

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I might have a gambling problem

>>567966517
Harm is bad v groups, obsidian axe makes you fight them. Do it anyway.

>>567657084
13.

>>567731352
Once more, Dorkgod is grieving his transgirl minqmale killed troonself.

Currently playing BN. What's in a military blacksite and is it worth besieging the place? It's conveniently next to a military base I'm currently clearing out so I have firepower I think. Though I'd probably use all the not so useful teargas ammo to train first.

>play roguelike
>get powerful item
>get cocky
>splat
>repeat

I'm sure actually winning is in that cycle somewhere...

>>567991689
>play roguelike
>splat
>repeat
>get powerful item
>play carefully
>win

not yet

>>567824363
>mindelay
As >>567835478 said this is a bit of a meme, 1.0 delay is more important so you don't get doubled by common monsters. If you find a higher tier weapon early or something with a good enchant (+5 or higher, good resists or stats, a good unrand, etc) consider switching.
Resists matter more as needed. Have at least + in a themed branch, ++ in late-game ones. Use the remainder of your gear budget on Will and AC/EV if you're frail or offense if it takes too long to kill things. Keep resist rings on hand so you can swap in a pinch without blowing blink scrolls or other high value items to get out of trouble.

>>567965526
>>567966517
Rampage makes this tempting
It's not "good" but you will win or die in a funny way

tummy slashed

>>567955741
>It's the price you pay for playing experimental
Not just that, there's a bug in Cata that's been there since the earliest days, where it only upgrades map blocks that you visit, and they idiotically dump the upgrade info after every stable release or so, which means any map regions you haven't visited for several releases will eventually be full of outdated tile names and shit, with no way to fix them.

It eventually destroys any long-running save.

>>568012938
If your updating DURING a save?

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Roguelikes for being on a plane where the crew had to defib someone and now we are stuck waiting on the tarmac

Could this guy of croakedlike'd, an hour later

>>568012938
kind of related, the 'reality bubble' in general is such a weird and detrimental limitation to the game. It's so bizarre to spend in game weeks and months clearing and looting an area, building a base, crafting, vehicles etc., then finally exploring a new area only to find a town that is seemingly still on day 1 of the cataclysm with random civilians running around and unspoiled food sitting out on tables.

>>568014637
Yeah I do very bad day starts a lot and it's funny while still fucking around the starting city to come back to the starting building weeks later and it's still just started burning because I booked it out of the area ASAP

>>568013575
>I went to the doctor and said "Doctor, you gotta help me, it hurts every time I do this!"
>The doctor says "Well, don't do that"

>I go to the DDA bug tracker and say "Kevin, you gotta help me, my save breaks every time I update the game!
>Kevin says "Well, stop updating your game"
>...
>So I did. I'm playing Bright Nights now

no

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>>568015485
Or just don't update experimental updates mid run. But both works. Seems like a lot of effort to stop yourself from voluntarily updating your own game, but hey, roguelikes are all about learning what works for your character, right?

>>568015485
>I went to the doctor and said "Doctor, you gotta help me, it hurts every time I punch myself!"
>The doctor says "Well, don't do that" because the doctor is not a retard
The nightly releases are clearly branded "experimental". Pretty sure the game itself warns you that you will get issues if you update mid-run. I'm not sure what you're expecting. If you don't want save breaking issues, keep your saves on one version.

If your ebin fork somehow doesn't have this problem all it means it's barely even being developed.

I think te pirate mission in Quasimorph cured me of looting everything, there's hundreds of corpses on every floor, I don't give a fuck anymore

On an unrelated note, there needs to be an expansive obessive compulsive disorder trait. A big mood debuff if any guns or magazines are not full, antiseptic bottles at 9/10 capacity, needing to open and close every door and window twice, yadda yadda

>>568022404
>Or just don't update experimental updates mid run
>>568022718
>"experimental"
Hey, morons: EXPERIMENTALS DON'T ENTER INTO IT, THIS BUG HAPPENS WITH STABLE RELEASES
Keep a save for long enough, and your map will end up broken.

>>568023310
While neat in theory, have you ever had to deal with the Hoarder trait in actual gameplay? It's a pain in the dick having to either stuff your pockets with shit or just not wear anything with pockets just because you want to have a little bit of focus for learning. Although outright replacing Hoarder with that might be a really good idea, as reloading your pill bottles and mags sounds like much less of a chore than just filling raw inventory volume with trash, especially since "free volume" is hella fuzzy with things like holsters and "space behind your backpack and your back you could technically use with a huge penalty".

>>568023636
You're playing a single save across mutliple STABLE releases? lmfao, how fucking long are you playing this save?

>>568024160
About six years before I had to abandon it due to the bug. Still my favorite save of all time, but I can't play it anymore because I had to turn around and go back through old map regions, and I hit a bunch of invalid map tile errors and broken terrain.
One of these days I'm gonna try to get it imported into Bright Nights. I don't play Cata much since that happened though.

>>568024810
It's not a bug you moron, what those anons said about the experimental releases applies exactly the same here, it simply did not occur to them that there is someone out there deranged enough to play a single dda save for 6+ years lmao.

They can't possibly maintain perfect backwards compatibility with every version of the game going back literal years with how drastically changed the game is over time. If you expect that you are truly delusional.

>>568024997
>It's not a bug you moron
OH! You're the dipshit from the DDA issue tracker, aren't you? I should have known, by your shitty defensive attitude, damage control and pants-on-head retardation.

It is a fucking bug, you asshole. A player can do literally nothing wrong and wind up with a busted map, because the map is not migrated completely at any point in time, and the info necessary to migrate the old tiles is regularly dumped in the trash with each new release.

That absolutely is a bug, a fundamental design flaw in the backwards compatibility code. Any non-idiotic design for this would either A) migrate all blocks at once, or B) not forget how to migrate the blocks it left aside to do later.
It was written by an idiot, and is now defending by one, who acts very much like he wrote this dumb shit.

Reporting this bug to DDA and BN was like Goofus and Gallant, the former community dodged and deflected and made up bullshit about how it's "NOT A BUG!!!!" while the latter calmly said "Yes, this is a known bug, it's something that's been here since forever. Fixing it is hard. Thanks for making an issue for it, though"

>>568025841
>OH! You're the dipshit from the DDA issue tracker, aren't you?
instant boogeyman accusation towards a random 4chan poster in a near dead general thread. Yeah, you are definitely completely mentally stable lmao.


The fact that you think you should be able to seamlessly continue using your 6 year old save of a game that has changed so drastically in that time that it's effectively a completely different game now is nothing short of insane. Much like how you for some reason want to continue playing that same save for so long in the first place lmao.

>>568025841
>Goofus and Gallant
what the fuck is this reference lmao. jesus christ are you literally 60 years old or something?

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>>568026185
If the migration code was written correctly, then YES, you absolutely should be able to do that. There is NO technical reason you can't, it's a design flaw in the migration handler.

I could write a migration system that would handle this correctly -- anyone competent could. It's just a lot of work at this point. Hell, I actually did write a map migration system like that over the past few days for a whole other project, so don't sit there and smugly tell me it's impossible.

As for you being one of Kevin's buttmonkeys here to do damage control, maybe you are just a random ignorant ass, but you're also making the EXACT same bullshit arguments that a specific autistic prick made on this subject several years ago. Nearly word-for-word in places.
>>568026423
Pic related

>>568024810
>About six years
Based retard.
Playing across experimental builds is like building a house and waiting a very long time before checking up on it again, there's a small chance that the landmass moving around might destroy it. Playing across stable builds is like building a house and waiting so long that the continents don't even look the same anymore. The game can't find house_9b because it went extinct with the dinosaurs. This isn't exactly a 'bug', so to speak, it's just something nobody expects a player to do.

As for fixing it, first of all, can't you just press i to have it never show up again?

Second of all, see https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/68737
Manually add package_bionic_professions to mods.json in your savegame folder, and see if it helps. From what I understand this overmap tile was moved to the bionic professions mod when the game's story was retconned to get rid of civilian bionics.

If that doesn't work, maybe you'd have to manually undo this pr https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/68742

That said, nobody in the world expected an autist to play the same world for years, so shit like this will undoubtedly happen again. If you don't want to bother with it, don't update your game, and if you do, be ready for strange workarounds and editing your files. Fucking hell, if you really have been playing that world for six years, I'm surprised that's the only error you've gotten and that it's an annoyance instead of a crash.

>>568027338
>It's just a lot of work at this point.
And what could possibly justify doing that work? The indignant whining of some calcified 60 year old boomer lunatic that has a deranged attachment to his 6 year old save? I hope you realize, 99.9% of dda players would never even imagine playing a single save that long lmao.

If you care so much about this particular save and supposedly know how to do the work to preserve it than do it yourself you dumb fuck, why do you expect other people to do something that is literally probably only relevant to specifically you? It's not unreasonable whatsoever for the devs to make changes that break compatibility between stable releases that are fucking years apart in release date.

>>568027721
That's all a bunch of excuses and shit that won't work. I have world map tiles that are invalid and actually load up broken due to this. Pressing i to ignore error messages won't let me travel through void tiles and shit. My save is just fucking busted.

It's not irreparable, and one of these days I'll see about fixing it. That's not really the thing that pisses me off the most, though. That's the attitude of "it's your faut, it's not a bug, it works for me because I didnt' notice it, and anyway you could fix it by loading your save in each successive version and teleporting yourself to all the old tiles you visited in the correct sequence to migrate them one step at a time" which was actually suggested at one point, like that's not fucking ridiculous.
>>568027785
Fuck you, buddy. I thought I was done being pissed off about this ages ago, but you've reminded me how incredibly fucking stupid it all is.
It's one thing to do like BN and say "yes, it's a bug, but it's a lot of trouble to fix it, PRs are welcome" but it's a whole other thing to hurf and durf about how "it's not a bug" and "just don't play your save anymore bro." That is complete bullshit. Fuck you, and the horse you rode in on.

>>568028440
Grow up and get over your ancient save for a fucking video game you loser. I don't give a fuck if you got your feelings hurt by some guy telling you what a retard you are for clinging to an obviously absurdly old save that no one would ever imagine maintaining compatibility for.

>which was actually suggested at one point, like that's not fucking ridiculous.
Yeah, it's ridiculous for them to tell you to do something extremely laborious to fix your own game issue that literally no one else has, but it isn't ridiculous for you to demand that they provide a fix for that issue that would be just as if not more laborious to create. Bonus points for your insistence that you could make that fix yourself but just can't be bothered lmao.

Eat shit retard KEK

>>568028863
>Grow up and get over your ancient save for a fucking video game you loser.
Yeah, eat shit and die. The save's not even the point, it's the attitude you assholes have.

The migration system was written wrong. That's okay, shit happens, and sometimes code sucks. But you mark it as busted, and you FIX IT. You don't make giant wall of text excuses for how bad code isn't really a bug, and nobody should care that it's broken, and Muh Expermintals and other deflections.

>>568029226
>it's the attitude you assholes have.
lmfao what a little whiny baby you are.

>You don't make giant wall of text excuses for how bad code isn't really a bug
It's not a bug though.
>But you mark it as busted, and you FIX IT
Again, tell me WHY they should fix this problem that probably only affects you alone? Even if it was an easy fix it wouldn't be worth doing, but the fact that it's not easy to fix makes it even less justifiable.
If you are so upset about this and supposedly know how to fix it, then fix it yourself you spastic entitled loser lmfao.

>>568029226
Take your meds, my schizo friend

>>568029537
>Again, tell me WHY they should fix this problem that probably only affects you alone?
It doesn't affect me alone, I've talked to multiple people who hit the same problem. I can't blame them for not wanting to report it though, the DDA community is fucking awful.

As for why, maybe the devs should take a tiny modicum of pride in their work? But I'm NOT asking for it to be fixed, I was only ever asking for it to be acknowledged as the broken mess it is. I'm a coder, I can SEE the design problem, hell, I could even fix it too.

Bright Nights team didn't have any problem with that, they upfront admitted it was a bug.
It was only DDA's team that dodged the point, deflected, made bullshit damage control arguments, and kept trying to make it about using experimentals when I repeatedly pointed out that it happens with saves used only in stable releases.

I may fix it for BN one of these days, but I have a lot of coding projects going on, and I don't really play Cata anymore.

>>568030258
>I may fix it for BN one of these days, but I have a lot of coding projects going on
yeah I'm sure you will definitely get around to it at some point, and that's just as good as actually doing it right? lmao

If you want to throw a bitchfit about some irrelevant drama you had with a dev at some point take it somewhere else, no one gives a fuck that you had your feelings hurt online.

>>568030463
You're a complete twat, you know that?

>>568028440
>That's all a bunch of excuses and shit that won't work.
Stop acting like a bitch.
>Pressing i to ignore error messages won't let me travel through void tiles and shit
What about the other two methods?
>That's the attitude of "it's your faut, it's not a bug, it works for me because I didnt' notice it, and anyway you could fix it by loading your save in each successive version and teleporting yourself to all the old tiles you visited in the correct sequence to migrate them one step at a time" which was actually suggested at one point, like that's not fucking ridiculous.
It's not a matter of 'it works for me because I didn't notice it', almost nobody plays the game for this long, so there is nobody to notice it. Even if you report it, maintainers would probably rather work on something the majority of players would enjoy instead of implementing a failsafe for a handful of players at most. I don't think they'd refuse to implement it if you made a pr yourself though.
>>568029226
>assholes
>plural
Why are you acting like such a whiny faggot? I'm trying to help you.

>>568031131
>What about the other two methods?
Neither will work.Thank you for trying, though. I shouldn't be this pissed off about it after so long, but man, people making excuses for shitty code really cheeses me off. Did you notice?

I did just spend the last week thinking about map migration for another project, designed a system to do it, and am currently testing it for correctness. Something somebody in the Cataclysm space ought to have done So the idiocy of "it's not a bug, you just can't expect us to do it correctly" is accentuated for me right now.

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>>567985294
Made me check, would have celebrated if it was true

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>>568023636
christ okay you guys already went over this, i was still catching up on the idea that dude was actually talking about updating a 6 year old version game and being surprised about it not working. over MULTIPLE stables?

whats the autism behind have a game run thats 6 years old apparently, and then...updating it? mid run. shits crazy lmao, you sorta have to respect it

>>568037890
Yeah, I hope he keeps us updated on what became of his world, geriatric prick as he may be. That save belongs in a museum.

Good night, /rlg/

>>568039224
i want the save and world.

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am i just a pleb? ive got megacity skyisland set to start the exfil location 15-10 blocks away and it seems like this should be a decent mix of difficulty and distance, but im making it to the exfil like 1 every 5 jumps, and i cant imagine scraping along like this ever balances out. the odds of gearing up nice stuff and just spawning somewhere your just fucked lmao is too high.
i wonder if making it perma-night would help. easier to flee a bit, harder to pre-plan paths.

good morning /rlg/

I hate summer

>>568037890
The whole thing with that save was I was driving through the game, and updating to drive my character into a new area to experience the new things in the update, all with the same character and his vehicle and NPC companions. It was fun. I'd boot it up a couple of times a year and drive around and check out the new stuff. It worked fine up until I had to turn around and discovered the game's retarded updating system had been silently fucking the map up behind me for years.

But the main thing that drove me up the wall is that rather than just accept the bug report, I had an autist sperg at me on the tracker for days about how it's not a bug.
I was wiling to work on a fix at the time, until that shit happened and I decided I never wanted to interact with DDA's dev team again.The sperg in question was the guy who Kevin once publicly asked to stop interacting with people online because he was such an asshole that he was giving the project a bad name

>>568046069
i mean, it really isnt a bug. its not intended to work, its "you can try if you want, good luck!". realistically, any other game would just go "welp, too outdated to migrate/continue, shit outta luck".

>>568048582
>its not intended to work
Exactly, it's a design that is guaranteed to fail. Now you can split hairs whether a bad design is a bug or not, but I say it is.

You got two sane options with something like this:
A) You read the whole map in one go, rename all the outdated stuff, and then mark it done. Advantage is you know it's complete and you can toss the rename info out when you're done, disadvantage is it players have to wait and watch a progress bar spin for a few minutes when they laod up. (You'd think Cataclysm players would be fine with it, 80% of the gameplay is watching a green bar spin anyway)

B) You only read visited parts of the map, updating as you go. Advantage is the waiting is reduced to milliseconds when a map chunk is loaded, disadvantage is you never know if or when the job's done, so you have to keep the rename info around forever.

And Cata went for the insane option, which is C) Only scan visited areas like B, but dump the rename info on every release, like A. The advantage is you save a few kilobytes of disk space for the renaming info, the disadvantage is you have completely given up on the map migrating correctly.

>>568049356
I assume that whole system was written by Whales. God bless the guy, he created a fantastic game, but he was absolutely not a good coder.
It happens, but people making excuses for the bad code and saying "just don't do anything that will make the bad stuff happen" is bullshit.

>>568050710
>but people making excuses for the bad code and saying "just don't do anything that will make the bad stuff happen" is bullshit.
So when are you going to fix it?

>>568052337
As I said before, I might fix it for BN one of these days, they said they'd be happy to have it fixed.
It's not a hard thing to fix technically, just a big pain in the ass to gather all the info from years of different versions together to make a complete migration fix. It could be written as an external migration tool, or built in. No telling if or when I'll get the itch, frankly,I rarely play Cata anymore .

Currently my plate's full anyway with another project that takes most of my coding time.

>>568053168
So again, all you are interested in doing is to bitch and moan that no one else will spend their time on this tedious and time consuming fix for you and the other 0.0001% of the playerbase that will ever have this problem, all while making sure you boast as much as possible about how you yourself could fix it but won't because it's too much work.

christ almighty, I cannot imagine how fucking insufferable you are IRL lmao. The goal of the project is to make a video game, not to resolve every imaginable edge case no matter how asinine or obscure. You are apparently still boiling with rage for years now that your incredibly obscure AND asinine problem that would take tremendous effort to resolve has not already been resolved by someone else offering their time for free.

>>568053494
>all you are interested in doing
You dense motherfucker

>>568053761
cope faggot lmao

>DDA Defense Squad being the worst posters on /rlg/ again

>>568054261
yeah the worst poster is definitely not the faggot throwing a 5 hour spanning hissy fit over someone being mean to him on the internet years ago lmao.

>>568054385
I don't know if you're actualy the worst, but it seems like you have me beat. Yes, I sperged out pretty hard earlier, but I've been done for hours, and I did my best to answer your questions politely, yet here you are still shitting on me, 5 hours later.

>>568055632
I didn't ask you anything you dunce, you're not familiar with the fact that there is more than one other person posting on this website? You did pull out the boogeyman accusation card earlier so I guess the paranoia is just another aspect of your schizophrenia. The fact that you still see this person who shittalked you on github years ago around every corner is some serious derangement lmao.

>>568055632
>answer your questions
*answer people's questions
HTH HAND

bionic monster waifu or horrifically mutated gf?
choose wisely.

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>>568065091
what is the difference? You, yes you speciffically, are friendless and are going to die alone and unloved either way.

>>568065091
You can do both!

>>568065091
The former
Both have equal chances of ripping your dick off but bionic will at least do it clean