>>568636568
These hours are the absolute worst for /rlg/, they are the fastest, so they're the most dangerous ones. Didn't help that I was distracted with something. Still, +600 posts, not bad, there's threads that are struggling even more.

grim

is there any good way to view what sprites are missing in a tileset on dda, im gonna SLOPPAI the rest for myself until someone finally makes some proper ones

>>568639219
I'm 95% sure there is but I forgot. Actually thinking about it I'm not sure if I'm mixing it up with Elona tilesets.

You see: rotten food or a piece of food (/rlg/ corpse)

play Rogue Survivor!

>>568645323
Isn't that game long dead?

>>568645371
a game never dies as long as it has people playing it. you could bring it back to life, like a zombie. I'm surprised you even remembered it desu

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Play SotW

Good night, /rlg/

>>568646593
sell me on it

>>568646593
I tried a few times maybe 2 years ago... the randgen dungeons are a brutal filter after the babymode turorial where you just kill some bandits in a burial mound.

>>568647032
i know where you live

I'm playing rogue survivor rn

>>568647032
Aside from the usual classic RL fare such as
>race and class selection
>god selection, with each god having actions they like and dislike, which determines how much they favour/hate you, with consequences either way
>randomly generated dungeons
>unidentified items, cursed items, enemies that cause debuffs, petrification traps that can end your run, etc.
>tons of spells you can learn or cast through wands
It's a very intuitive, easy to get into RL with a fantasy world with lore you can approach only by reading ingame books and talking to NPCs.
Procedural generation when it comes to the worldmap and most tiles, but some are premade, mostly the main cities (somewhat similar to the system in CoQ).
There are crafting skills you can level up to create anything, be it tools, weapons, armor, jewellery, scrolls, potions, wands, etc. You can make your own paper, write your own scroll of enchanting and use it to enchant a ring you crafted yourself from gold you mined.
Hunger mechanic in which eating the corpses of enemies is an integral part of the game, even letting you acquire elemental resistances by doing so, with more powerful enemies making you more impervious to their element
One main win condition, slaying that big bad wyrm, and also tons of sidequests that aren't always about killing. Also two secret special "win" conditions. Lots and lots of secrets all around which reward exploration.
Great atmosphere, well written books, enemy descriptions, music and a general sense of a mythic sort of early medieval world.

Overall it's a much more exploration oriented game than a strict "make a build and throw it against a set predefined challenge" sort. Tons of quests can only be won by (you) figuring them out or simply exploring so much that you randomly stumble upon the answer, but it's not a simple stat check.

>>568648694
nta but thanks for letting us all know, sounds like my cup of tea

I set an expiry date on myself and it's coming in 4 months
rl4tf?

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>>568652898
If your chunks are about to expire, drink a mana potion and cast a bunch of spells

>>568652898
24/7 MuMo grind
earn some self-satisfaction or hasten yourself along your predetermined path; either outcome should be a net positive

ive just noticed theres no shoes ever in houses or closets or anything in dda. which you normally dont need except on skyisland where you lose them every time you kick it

Bump

>>568660002
Huh. Shoes used to be a fairly common spawn in houses. Not in wardrobes, but lying around on the floor and such. Wonder when that changed?

>>568660002
>no shoes in the closet
That's because DDA players wear programmer socks inside their closet.

>>568660002
I just tried myself and yeah I didn't find any shoes in 4 different houses. weird, I don't remember this being the case before. There's a fuckton of clothes in houses now, probably when they changed houses to have a billion useless shirts and pants and socks they accidentally removed shoes somehow.

>>568662285
the additional clothing is nice, because you actually do want to pick up a set of clothing or two every expedition, or sometimes i just warp in naked and just grab whatever in the closest closet, scav style. all ive really found so far is some of the "special" shoes like motorbike boots and steel capped sneakers/boots in places like garages. having to loot them off zeds is kinda annoying because their condition usually sucks or might be (poor fit).
also sorta annoying, no wallets or loose money. wallets i can understand because eh, everyone keeps theirs on them anyways, but the change is a tad annoying because that shits EVERYWHERE irl, every couch should have a few stuck in them, a kitchen drawer should have loads of that shit. again, not something you ever really care about in a normal world, but in sky island you need one of each denomination for one of the warp upgrades, and its kinda more difficult than i expected to actually find them.

>>568664168
hmm, forgot about cash registers, so cash is spawning in some locations. still, change sound be shit you find everywhere.

>>568648694
>>568646593
Can you give me a rundown on crafting?

I have only made it past the first dungeon but have not really figured out how to interact with it and the docs are not helpful.

Are you just supposed to know the recipe or is there a gui or some sort of craft menu im not seeing.

>>568665131
Nobody uses cash anymore, grandpa! Enjoy your vibrator spawns!

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Fun fact:
nu-DCSS most offended three goddesses:
Ashenzari, Fedhas and Kiku
That would be the Maiden, the Mother and the Crone.

How is Ashenzari the Maiden? Ask the Oracle at Delphi:

>The connection between virginity and prophecy is a profound theme across ancient religions, mythology, and theology, where bodily purity or sexual renunciation is viewed as an essential conduit for divine communication and supernatural signs. Across different cultures, an untouched body was believed to be uniquely receptive to the spirit world, serving either as a vessel for the voice of a god or as the ultimate marker of a promised, miraculous event.

>The connection between chastity and chains spans thousands of years, evolving from an ancient religious symbol of spiritual purity into a metaphor for mental focus, and finally into a tool for physical power dynamics.

It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see how it works out for them.

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>hardware stores still spawning loot outside of it
DEEEEEEEVS, i didnt pay zero dollars, and zero zero cents for this BODGE job, fix itttt NOW

>>568669548
>BODGE
Is that like britbong for botch?

>>568670012
oh no, its armenian for "svelte"

is the tripnigger gone yet

What's an example of an area in RPG that's
>large
>mostly not combative
>interesting
I feel like it's just gonna end up as a fetch quest hub
making a roguelike, don't ask

>>568673997
sorry bro, he's camping the stairs
you'll get like 3 level ups if you can kill him though

Why is there now also a thread on /vrpg/

>>568674954
because this thread keeps dying like it just did after the 2 DDA autists went to sleep

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>>568674954
why aren't you there? You're clearly unfit to live.

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>>568673997
How venomous.

I discovered MfVM Chei because my child wanted to play Mermaid. Genuinely more helpful than rlg. I am only here for the buns.

MfVM Chei is everything NaVM Chei was *supposed* to be (but sucked at).
Which is fine, because detonating poisoned adjacent Inner Flamed foes during time lapse with NaFE Chei is hilarious.
Another thing nobody figured out, AFAIK.

>>568674941
>3 level ups
Cuz it's capped.

>>568648598
How is it

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devving a bit, upgraded the sprite renderer

>>568675012
hey im not asleep

>>568666623
>Can you give me a rundown on crafting?
It relies on your crafting skill
>Are you just supposed to know the recipe
You get more recipes as your skill levels up
>is there a gui or some sort of craft menu im not seeing.
You press A to interact with objects around you (eg.: close doors). You need to find the relevant work stations in cities and use them. Isen Dun has a cauldron for potions, a tannery for skins and a forge for weapons and armor. Carcassia has a jeweler station. etc...

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Got doors opening from both sides. I'd like to add the ability to kick in the door so the monsters on the other side are stunned for a little while.

jesus fucking christ man they NEED more quality control on the shit they add to cdda. I just started a new game only to find it playing absolute deep fried ass, randomly hanging for several seconds at a time constantly. turns out it's because some jackass added in a new location that has about a thousand fucking hostile npcs in it, and the game is choking and dying trying to process the jank ass npc AI for so many of them at once.

when would this ever be a good addition to the game? why do they insist on adding this type of shit that is cancerous to the game's performance?

>>568702307
runs on my pc

>>568702307
wow even better, it's not just the npcs. The location is a bunch of steel shipping containers, and after killing all of the npcs there with debug my game is still running like shit. I opened up the containers to see what's in them and there's one that contains literally like 50,000+ protein rations each. And there are probably multiple of these containers. So what's actually killing my game is a fucking squintillion food decay calculations running on hundreds of thousands of individual food items.

WHY the fuck would you add this????? This is just like the old military base location with the mountain of MRE's that kill your game via spoiling except a million times worse.

>>568704386
wait the storage containers causes an issue with your machine? lmao what are you running this on, an eeepc 701? i love the storage depot, its craft city

>>568704743
I have a ryzen 5600, that should be sufficient to play a game like cdda you would think.

I don't see how you can not have any issues at all, because it's mostly with the game itself not your hardware. my cpu isn't going over 30% at any point while the game hangs like this, it's the game itself choking.

And this is a known issue and has been forever, like I said the military base was another one of these map cancer locations because of the shitload of MREs they contain.

>>568705121
i dont have issues at either of those locations, lol, and i play it on a 7 year old laptop sometimes.

>>568705462
well I guess your computer is simply magical then anon. I definitely believe you.

>>568702307
You're talking about stable?

>>568705121
NTA but while it definitely can be poor design for the way the game processes stuff, it's also common sense to assume that both whoever added it and whoever reviewed it are unlikely to be running dda on a supercomputer, so some other fuckery may be the actual issue. If it's really the protein bars, have you tried deleting them?

>>568706298
I tried moving away far enough to unload the location and my game immediately starts running fine again. Near the container location it takes 20+ seconds just to complete an autosave and my game hangs for 3+ seconds every few steps. when I'm not near that location the game runs normally as it always has.

Again, this is a known issue. Calculating food spoilage has been known to cause the game to choke forever. I have had to play around it for years now by managing my food stockpile. What I don't understand is why they would add this location which exemplifies that known problem by 1000x. They must know about it, but they added it anyway.

>>568706780
I mean, I'm not saying it's not plausible, but all just moving away solving the issue proves is that something in the area is the problem. It can be the bars. It can also be some shit underground. You have sewers on z-1, upper subway on -2 and lower subway on -3. If there's a subway lab, it can go deeper. Try outright deleting the protein bars to have definite proof, then it's fine to bring it up as the issue in need of solving if you'd like to actually help. Obviously not saying you have to, but just malding at the issue without even being sure that it's the actual issue is, well, not cool.

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>>568705598
weeeeee look at him go!

>>568707360
I'm not going to waste my time on that bullshit when I know that's what's causing it. I haven't had anywhere near this much problem with labs or anything else ever except for the military base in the past like I said. I don't care if it's "not cool", those cunts can eat my ass for adding this shit that explodes their own damn game, they should know better.

>>568707532
Now do it at the place I was actually talking about in the post. They changed the military base to have less MREs since specifically to solve this problem.

>>>568706298
whoever reviewed it are unlikely to be running dda on a supercomputer
More like they aren't actually reviewing it at all in game.

>>568707721
It's funny because even on that webm you can see him hanging lol.

>>568707721
What is this location? Is it even a location or one of those generated map specials like the drug dealer corpses or portals? I remember one of them is a number of scattered crates likely meant for evac shelters you can open, auto notes mark it as "Supply Drop", is that the one?

>>568709107
No it's not that, it's a new actual location they just added recently as in the last few weeks. It's a gigantic bandit camp in a collection of steel shipping containers like those on a container ship. It's called "inland container depot" on the map, it's nearly as big as a nuclear plant.

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>>568707721
oh, okay, fair enough, i see your point. but several seconds per pause? oof, bruh

>>568710714
Was there NPCs at this one or no? check the containers see if they have food. the one I found with NPCs had multiple containers of protein bars and regular food.

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>>568710997
food and npcs. little worse, but still not grinding to a halt

>>568712710
I was just curious if there are multiple variants and it's not strictly a bandit camp like the "wooden fortress" or whatever. So I guess I got double fucked by getting the NPC one. My game is similar to that except it hangs for longer, but even that is completely unplayable.
I did a prison start and had just cleaned it out to set up my base when I found that my game started to choke on one side of the prison and not the other, and it turned out to be that place. Had to trash my new game because of it.

They really need to just stop adding those kinds of fucking places. How is it good for the gameplay to add locations that have a century worth of food that also makes your game stutter like crazy? And since when is fucking new england a major port location for container shipping anyway? I just looked it up and there is only one port of that type in boston in the whole region.

>>568713694
its supposed to be a special spawn that only appears once, but ill agree, you find it and its lmao why go anywhere else, theres so much loot and food your just set for years.a single cargo container of tampons and youve got tens of thousands of dollars to trade with rub, hub and shelter. there needs to be some crazy level threat to make it balanced, some unique spawn of something. a giga tear in reality, or maybe rubs worker bots and turrets thatll turn hostile if you try to enter.

its also 3 levels of containers, lel. make the top 2 levels already cleared by exodi and bam, solve the quantity problem and give it a lore reason to be in the game, its how they built their strange metal castle

>>568712710
>>568713694
Not either of you but I just checked it on the latest experimental and at least the bandit variant is eating RAM for me like mad. I just walked for around 50 tiles up and down and the dda process ate all my ram and started tapping into the pagefile to just not crash. Granted this is on a toaster with 16gb of ram, but still. Walking in a continuous line once the shit has loaded makes the game stutter for around half a second every like 5 steps, but revealing more unrevealed tiles by walking further than before lags a lot more and eats more ram.

Also I did NOT expect this amount of crates or I wouldn't have suggested deleting them. I thought it was just 10 or something, this place is packed with items. While it may definitely be the decay timer (although turning time on and off didn't affect the lag, you'd think it'd make the difference in that case), it may also be the sheer amount of bullshit the game has to load and unload into memory that's the real cause. Even static items likely have some mini-function they have to run when being loaded and unloaded from the reality bubble, it may also be that.

>>568714579
>its also 3 levels of containers, lel.
jfc I didn't know that lmao. it's just absurd.

I don't think it's salvageable at all, I think it should just be axed. The fucked up performance alone is unacceptable, but it also fails in gameplay for the reasons you mention AND in the setting. If every grocery store is looted then why would these things not be? And why would they exist at all? presumably giant stacks of shipping containers only exist at actual ports and major logistics hubs, you couldn't even handle this amount of containers without gigantic cranes and shit.
I'm shocked they approved it at all.

>>568715191
its 7 gigs of ram for me, but i also have 2 monitors and a shitload of crap open eating at the rest of my performance

>>568715415
it needs a rework, but id keep it. exodis looting grounds or giga tear, empty out 75% of the containers to represent it, and its an end game goal. an empty one preset where only 5-6 of them are full would be a cool multi level base.
pretty sad there wasnt one full of zombie women or something to imply human trafficking, but maybe thats a rare as fuck spawn chance for flavor.
im definitely checking how that runs on my laptop because i definitely petered around that place before and had no issues. would be pretty funny if the old hardware ran it better then the desktop.

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>>568715415
and not every grocery stores looted, nor is every supermarket. supermarkets are also absurd loot regions

>>568680318
Can you add an ominous gray filter to make it look less like Gnomish Fantasy Land and more like Evil Orc Territory?

>>568715191
Thinking about it, maybe it's part of the reason why at least the performance issues flew under the radar like this? I mean, maybe if you actually have enough ram to store the entire location in memory with all its items it may just stutter for a bit, but if the process resorts to using the pagefile (and god forbid if you're still using a normal hard drive for it instead of a NVME or at least a SSD) it has to continuously load and unload chunks instead of just reusing reserved memory?

>>568716289
So after walking through the entire location, the dda process is only 7gb for you? I only actually revealed a 4x4 overmap chunk max and had it eat 11, the remaining 5 being occupied by firefox. Maybe there's some variance for how much stuff actually gets generated, if it's a wild range like 1-5000 maybe that would explain it. Though honestly speaking, it could also an OS/driver issue, as I don't update things on this computer.

>>568717403
Ill fiddle with it more tomorrow. Delete all food, then see what happens. I loaded 5 for the overmap which is just massive but didnt check in that world, but thats 7 gigs standing in the middle of that last webms world.

save rave

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>>568708679
This, the secret we developers don't want you to know is that we review the code carefully if you're lucky, and actually test the PR out maybe once in a blue moon. The rest of the time we just cram the code in and hope all goes well!

I try to do better than that, but I have no illusions about others after long experience

>>568729753
This is true.

>>568678794
Nostalgic. I recommend playing it. There are likely less than 10 people playing at the moment, I may even be the only 1

>>568705121
Honestly it's your fault for not playing Rogue Survivor instead

>>568718406
they should straight up remove all perishable food spawns from the game, the start of the game is supposed to be a few weeks into the cataclysm anyway so there wouldn't be any perishables left.
I don't know if non-perishable foods still do any kind of calculation for spoilage but if they do they shouldn't. perishable food should only exist when you create it from hunting animals or harvesting crops or opening up sealed containers.

>>568746330
also any perishable foods with extremely long shelf lives should just be made non-perishable for the sake of performance. the case that anyone would be able to meaningfully exploit dried pasta having an indefinite shelf life instead of a 3 season long shelf life or whatever it is ridiculous. White flour has a shelf life measured in years IRL yet my stack of flour is always separated into 10+ separate stacks because it's extremely important to accurately account for the handful of days difference in remaining shelf life between them.

Exceptionally few people play a game that goes beyond a year or two, any food that would remain that long should just be made into an indefinite shelf life by default.

>>568746807
I think that before doing that, you'd have to make sure it's actually an issue.
While the guy above is blaming food decay, I'm not so sure if that's actually a problem because literally iterating over every single perishable every few ingame seconds isn't the only way to handle it. I have had many occasions where I was looting a fridge a month into a run, and was surprised to see fresh milk in a gallon jug. Which rotted a few seconds later. You also frequently see corpses decay this way. You come back to some area where you killed a bunch of zombies 3 weeks ago, and watch as they actively disappear one by one due to fully rotting, leaving their items behind. If they really updated every few ingame seconds, they'd have long since disappeared before you even noticed.

So I think the game actually handles decay semi-lazily which is probably the sanest way to do this, there's some hard infrequent maximum timer for a forced update, but otherwise decay is only updated when it matters.

I think it's more likely that it's just the stupid amount of items, you obviously can't have infinite items loaded in memory, and I guess the amount in that location is just really pushing this limit. Thousands of MREs would also have this problem, since a single MRE is like 7 bags, 5 of which have one item each, 1 has 3 wrappers with 1 item each, and 1 has 8 napkins, 1 spork, 2 gums, 4 zipper bags with sugar, water tablets, tea bags, and one matchbook with 20 matches. It's just a ton of items in one. I'm not sure why MREs would be on a decay timer, aren't all of their contents sealed in the special MRE container that 100% prevents decay? At least the only MREs with rotten contents I've seen were half-eaten ones.

>>568750645
They ought to look at BN, there were some huge performance increases gained there recently. Though the codebases have diverged far enough they probably couldn't use big parts of it easily, it might point them in the right direction at least.

>>568751951
>huge performance increases gained there recently
In what areas?

Good night, /rlg/

>>568755371
Here's a big chunk of it:
https://github.com/cataclysmbn/Cataclysm-BN/pull/8252

ok should *every* zone have a boss monster
I feel like it's weird if one zone has a boss and another doesn't

>>568760759
What game

>>568759531
Cool thanks

>>568762251
making a game

>>568760759
If a zone doesn't have a boss monster it should have something else instead rather than just nothing.

>>568765258
What could that something else be

>>568765338
really bad weather, or really stinky

>>568760759
It's very videogamey to give every area a boss, but it's a videogame, so hey, why not?

I'm not playing rogue survivor but I will be playing it in a few weeks from now and I'll become a new resident poster itt like the amy and various other schizos used to be (except I'm not a tranny.. yet)

>>568765338
An normal monster ambush, a strange trap, a choice for the player to make that involves
>some type of stat change
>gambling
>short term gain vs long term
, bandits that try to steal your stuff but also have decent items if you kill them, monks that try to convert your player to their religion if your game has gods, and so on and so forth. Use your imagination.

>>568768951
What if those are already in every area

>>568770475
Seems like it'd be crowded. That's a consideration to take into account -- give the players some space, don't cram every square foot with stuff.

>>568770475
If every other conceivable thing than a boss is in every other area? Then I guess you better get creative with your bosses.

>>568770475
make a very slow, indestructible enemy, to force players to work around them. like a zombie horde, but its just one big chunkyboi with a giant club. an enviromental hazard. that way there might be no boss but theres something still here. would be cool to exploit it so the force of nature destroys all in its path and a cheese tactic is to make boss enemies get steamrolled in its path

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>>568746807
your right. walking into a grocery store or house and fining milk with a 6 day shelf life after 6 months is kinda goofy. imma VIBESLOP that shit and see how it goes, make everything with an expiration of 6 months, removed entirely and anything with it above adjusted appropriately. the amount of canned goods and shit you find anyways, i bet it wont take that much a difference, and maybe itll reduce the performance impact

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alright /rlg/, i want your opinion on this
is this a good enough build to go for a mastery? i plan to put 1-2 enchants more into the rings to get them both to +5 so i can always have blades to conjure for pseudo-paralysis to keep spellcasters/dragons from blasting my ass with fire spells, since i feel my damage output with lunges is solid, but i might also put more into the armor, since im kinda scared of getting oneshot with this if i try to go too deep

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>>568788029
>get chain exploded by multiple explosive furies near the amulet
oh okay
niggers

Anyone else find it hard to gauge your speed in DCSS? It all happens simultaneously, but sometimes you take two or more moves and sometimes not depending on the enemies.

>>568792227
Every action you do will tell you how much time passed right?

>>568792227
>find it hard to gauge your speed
That actually used to be a valuable player skill in Nethack, until they made speed non-deterministic for dumb reasons

>>568792227
Just be a NaFE Chei wielding a two-handed mace, and tell time to go fuck itself.

>>568794315
I'm sure the game tells you exactly what's happened, but it's hard to be on top of it intuitively.

What's wrong with this goddamn site today

>>568802610
The other threads I frequent are also slowing to a crawl, I don't know where everyone's gone
Are classes back or something? Did an altchan actually take off for once?

>>568803795
It's saturday you filthy neet

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>jewtube randomly recommends me a DRG Rogue Core video
>then DRG Rogue Core discourse videos
>hear someone claim that they're a "Roguelike enthusiast"

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PAGE 10 POLISH POWER BUMP NIGGERS
GO TO CHURCH TOMORROW

are you ready for NetHack 5 update on May 2nd?
did you know some absolute madman created first public release of Incursion fork and it's good?
niggers stay alive, you aren't trannies

>>568816087
>niggers stay alive
I got that AC on -4 and a unicorn horn, i will be kicking for a while

>>568816087
>May 2nd
Anon, I...

>>568819996
oops
but Incursion!
imagine if dck shows up to play it and then plays MuMo and a golden era of arelgee starts again

>>568782740
Again?

Rogue isn't a roguelike. Rogue is a rogue.

>>568795228
2H Chei build is just a way to put all the puckering moments in the first hour or two of gameplay and then cruise through the rest of the game when you get Manifold Assault. Especially in the older game when you could start with Manifold on Warper start.

>>568829719
Buddha a buddhist? Was muhammad a muslim?

>>568842370
>Buddha a buddhist?
No.
>Was muhammad a muslim?
Also no.

>>568829719
You can't be a rogue without also being like a rogue. A rogue who isn't like a rogue in any way is not a rogue.

>>568845738
Was thor a norse pagan? Chessmate.

brazier

New BN stable release today:
> https://docs.cataclysmbn.org/game/changelog/stable-0.12.0/
>New lab finales including boss fights
Guess I'm doing some labs on the next run

bump

>>568707532
bird mutant?

>>568848257
A christian is not a christ.

Good night, /rlg/

Ragu

>>568877932
/rlg/ can always just start a new run.

100% black

>>568863841
Congrats on getting the stupidest reply in to a stupid reply chain, tripfag

>>568888657
Don't feed the tards please, or they'll come back begging for more.

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>>568888956

Bump

im on windows 10, how do i back up my highscores on dcss? where are they saved to on my computer?

actually how do i backup most all files on my computer without doing a full computer backup thats like 64gigs?
i only have a couple gigs worth of files and just want to back those up. i usually just copy and paste all the folders like "pictures" and "downloads" but then my dcss highscores never transfer over even though i saved the file that dcss is stored in.

>>568888956
it's two clicks, retards

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God bless, page 9
today I will be playing Overworld but only after I splat in All Who Wander
I consider trying SPD too since he added Cleric, despite that sad picture from earlier showing how he's apparently non-binary or whatever clown marketing shit the dev said to appeal to sodomites
Android turns out to be the best platform for novel polished roguelikes
>>568885789
yet 100% semitic

>>568854624
>furfag traits are now pickable without mutie start now
Yeah that tracks

For a formal

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>>568900262
happy slaughters

>>568835728
Even on a build that plans to go 2h, shield is usually too good to pass up for the early game
Just do more branches and train them both
A shield is perfect for stealthy scouting in light armor, and for reflecting missiles
MfBe is the only build where early 2h makes sense.
Literally Poseidon
>I will give the Aegean sea a roaring voice, and the shores of Euboea shall be choked with corpses

>>568900673
From the PR:
>I have a dream. That one day every person in this nation will control their own nekomimi
>
>senator armstrong idk, havent played metal gear

It's a dumb change IMO, and chaosvolt objected, but apparently scarf has self-merge rights for some reason. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah

Just a PSA if anyone might be looking for large STANAG mags in dda like I was, you can reliably find tons of them on an aircraft carrier. It's got all kinds 40, 50, 60, 90, 100. Along with tons of everything else.

If you plan to raid one though, keep in mind that it's huge, completely dark and there isn't a single wooden door. And around half the doors are locked. I think you might be able to halligan those normally locked metal ones, I had the lockpicking proficiency so I used that.
There were also many bestial stalkers in particular (around every 10th zombie), which move fairly fast and can knock your character away which damages through any armor. I happened to have a really cool .22 SMG with a 165 round mag I put a silencer on for 0 noise and just plinked away at them with NV goggles.

>>568900673
I think as a consequence of that rando NPCs are more likely to have mutie traits

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>>568768736
>used to be
I'm still here

>>568911413
>halligan those normally locked metal ones
I always carry around a halligan bar and that doesn't work, I think you need to cut them with a torch or smash them with a jackhammer or pickaxe

>>568913143
I'm pretty sure you can halligan some metal ones open, I've done it before. Not all work, but some do. Just not sure what kind they are on the ship.

Are you only trying to pry them open using the "e" key like you normally do with crowbars? Try "a"ctivating the prying action on the halligan and see it that works. You gotta do this even with normal crowbars on wooden doors sometimes as the "e"xamine action doesn't always work on some wooden doors, I think the electronically locked wooden ones found in some houses in particular.

If you really can't halligan them, I think it's best to raid the ship with lockpicking because there's, well, a LOT of these doors.

>>568913856
certain types of locked metal doors (such as those in science labs) cannot be lockpicked either in my experience (by activating the lockpick or 'e'xamining the door) but you may be right, activating the "pry a door" function of the halligan bar might work, I'll give that a shot.

>>568911413
>you can reliably find tons of them on an aircraft carrier.
ok, now explain how to reliably find an aircraft carrier.
'just find one of the most rare locations in the game' isn't the most useful advice lol.

>>568922357
I think carriers can only be found in lakes, and lakes are kinda in your face with how big they are. Even if you're not sure if the body of water is a lake at a glance on a map, you can look at the label for the water tile to see if it's a lake or not. Since carriers aren't underground locations and they're big, you're likely to spot one from the top of a nearby radio tower or something.
But if not, you might still need to explore the rest of the lake yourself, so you'd need a boat.
It's not a trivial thing to find, but I don't think it's that hard to find a lake.

I think also if you raid a military base, you can find a military map underground which should reveal all military-related stuff nearby. Might also be a way to find it, though from using those maps I think the reveal radius isn't all that large honestly.

All that Cata talk makes me want to reinstall it again but then I remember how tedious both early and late game were and give up. What do.

>>568925796
I have used a good amount of those military maps and they have never revealed a carrier, only outposts bunkers and silos. also I have many hours in the game and I have only come across an aircraft carrier once.
it does suck that they massively nerfed the availability of larger capacity magazines. the large capacity mags do incentivize weird gameplay however, I found it most effective to have one 60-100 round mag in the gun and to reload that mag out of the 10 round stripper clips you get from military ammo cans, only keeping two 30 round mags as emergency backup. The clips are smaller and fit in more pockets, and are more convenient for topping off your current mag.

>>568927412
Make a hilariously OP character with a late start to skip earlygame and quit before lategame. Not sure why you'd hate early game though, I think it's the best stage. The only thing that really sucks for me at that point is gathering enough manuals and all the crafting tools since you can't find all of them in one accessible place.

Also if you have not used mechanics for skipping some tedium before, try them out. Autodrive, zones, keeping NPC slaves to speed up crafting.

>>568928250
>Autodrive, zones, keeping NPC slaves
I'm not sure those were a thing last time I seriously played until endgame.
Also is BN still the recomended "fun allowed" fork?

Roguelikes for that feel when jerking off while depressed give you headache

>>568927975
I guess I just got lucky then as I found a carrier just by accident on 2 different characters. Still, at least you'd know you could get them there if you do locate one. The mags are in rooms with crates that have military armor and stuff like LAWs/RRs and rifles. Two other good things in those crates with armor in particular are shooter earmuffs in bulk amounts if you happen to have many npcs you want to not go deaf around shots, and "full" military tactical helmets that have 100% head coverage instead of the usual 50%.

Interesting idea with the clips. I just keep 2 40-round mags in a leg ammo pouch that seems to not conflict with scabbards on the same leg, and just retreat if I happen to run through both my main mag and the two pouch extras because it takes a long time to reload the mags themselves.
I wish you could detach the ranger plate things on some of the rarer STANAG mags and attach them to the bigger ones so you could just clip them to your belt.

>>568750645
>like 7 bags, 5 of which have one item each, 1 has 3 wrappers with 1 item each, and 1 has 8 napkins, 1 spork, 2 gums, 4 zipper bags with sugar, water tablets, tea bags, and one matchbook with 20 matches

Why are items in CDDA so complex? Is this level of detail really worth it for all the problems it can bring ?

>>568930143
BN definitely has the least tedium. And NPCs can craft for you in the latest release, which is one thing I missed from DDA.

>>568750645
>special MRE container that 100% prevents decay
idk how it really works but probably the easiest way to code it would be giving MRE container a x0 miltiplier to decay speed, so the game still iterates through every item inside.

>>568701376
I'm hoping it's superhotlike.

>>568937320
it's just simple autismo obsession. it's the same story with the guns in the game, a ton of unnecessary bloated gun variants that are literally identical in stats and function but are still in the game because some guy with a gun obsession wanted to have 30 different AR military rifles in the game.

The MRE packaging thing is particularly annoying though. Way back when I first started playing the game, I looted one of those military bases that have thousands of MREs in them. I wanted to unload all the MREs to get rid of all the useless shit, and it literally took me 5 in game days to unload them all. I could tell it was a waste of time after the first 5 minutes but by then I was pissed off at the totally needless autism that went into every MRE having 50 individual items that I went through with it anyway.

>>568937320
I personally don't think it's worth it so I don't even bother interacting with MREs outside just eating from a random one I come across if my character happens to be hungry. On one of my first characters I kept the sealed MREs in a reinforced bag and organized the unsealed ones with minimum wastefulness so I literally opened each zipper bag with 2 units of sugar to transfer it to my main sugar container and put the fruit tea bags into the box containing a box with only fruit tea bags, but it was pure cbt. Even putting more sealed MREs into the sealed MRE bag had noticeable lag. Well, likely because I mostly use "v" instead of the advanced inventory manager.

This wasn't just a pain for all the button presses, it actually took quite a while to do ingame because like I had the MRE in a backpack with 3 seconds of draw speed. The MRE bag has another bag which takes more time to open, and so on. I just picked up a random MRE I had and tried to wield the spork from within it: 7 seconds.

But I guess it's ignorable because food isn't all that important unless you're on some challenge run, and at that point you likely don't have infinity MREs to juggle around.

>>568940125
>>568940308

Can you eat MRE's directly ? Or do you have to unpack them first ?

>>568940649
You can eat from them directly, I just prefer to unload everything as much as possible to avoid having shit nested into 30 different containers. Aside from being annoying in general it becomes impossible to tell if something is useful or garbage. Like if you eat everything out of an MRE the exterior package stays the same, so you can't tell at a glance if it's empty without expanding all of the bullshit nested containers.

>>568937320
Because Kevin (PBUH) said so. And everyone who disagreed was banned.

>>568940916
>exterior package stays the same, so you can't tell at a glance if it's empty
Wait, so the game doesn't even display when a container is empty ? Are there really no indicators ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kMbTzomh94

miss her

>>568940950
it's more like a rigid autisic opposition to abstracting literally anything.
one that kills me is looting kitchens, every single kitchen has dozens and dozens of kitchen tools that have literally no in game purpose. Corkscrews, cutting boards, rolling pins etc., similar to the sporks in MREs actually. Most of them are so useless that you can't even deconstruct them into basic materials, I resorted to attempting to burn many of them but you can't even do that to anything metal.

And these things only exist presumably because some autist finds it "realistic". As opposed to assuming that the player that is trying to survive the apocalypse would ignore literally useless junk making their inclusion in the game or at least appearing on looting interfaces completely pointless.
Another favorite of mine is wearing gloves while crafting, we can't assume that the player character would simply take his gloves off before starting to craft, no we have to force people to specifically unequip and re-equip their gloves every time they want to craft.

>>568941939
You can't tell when it's containers inside of containers like MREs. Containers do show their immediate contents but MREs are packages inside of packages inside of packages, so looking at an MRE whether full or empty you just see 'MRE package -> smaller MRE package' without expanding it.

>>568942665
100% black

>>568942665
>so looking at an MRE whether full or empty you just see 'MRE package -> smaller MRE package' without expanding it.

That's really annoying, nested inventories suck

>>568942665
If you have a static base you could debug yourself a funny hole to z-10 with a lava tile and just throw your junk there. Uhh, lava does instadestroy everything on it, right? At least zombies instadie in it and leave nothing behind. Except the player/npcs apparently, as when I was savescumming on one character to figure out those randomized mines I had to walk through lava and all it did was burn some clothing. I think the character was wearing a "kevlar firesuit" on top of a phase immersion suit though.

I think most people used to put their base junk in front of their driveway so the items would gradually get destroyed under the wheels, but now that'd probably wreck your tires.

Page 10...

>>568942560
How many years has it been now

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>>568949419

>>568949419
our eternal state

christ the way they broke zone looting has ruined the entire game. It's taking me ten times longer to loot a tiny group of 8 houses than it did before, and my game is locking up every other house as the pathfinding gets stuck in a loop.

>>568960389
5 forced restarts now and barely halfway through clearing the town. I have to quicksave after finishing every building. wow what an amazing addition to the game, forcing you to spend hours of real time shuffling junk around because it's just too game breaking and unrealistic to have a convenient system for quickly and easily moving junk.

>>568960389
>>568962876
>I played DDA and it was like punching myself in the dick
Many such cases

>>568952562
expedition 33 came out last year dude

>>568964559
yeah I just quit again and I think I'm done for a long time now. Having to give up on 2 separate starts because of stupid bullshit making the game run like shit or lock up entirely is way too much.

>>568964559
>>568967625
I even forgot to mention the other critical performance problem I encountered. Certain crafting recipes taking an eternity of real time to finish. I tried to make a bronze spear and it was literally doing 1% per real life minute. I go to look it up and apparently it's a problem with their attempt to "stepify" crafting whatever the fuck that means.
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/87316

no doubt another effort to make a perfectly functional system into a torturously complicated mess to appease the autisitc obsession with realism of some jackass.

>>568967625
Switch to BN, it's actually fun

>>568968608
I have tried all of them, I had the most hope for TLG but I gave up on that one too. Although it gets major points for running about a million percent better than DDA. I don't care for BN simply because I don't care for the excessively wacky sci-fi setting. I think it's too much even in DDA, that's another thing I like about TLG.

bump

Do 7 floors of lab to get 1 shot of rat serum in the vault. Thanks.

>>568942665
But crafting would be the best time to be gloved so you don't harm yourself in the process.

fart

/v/ mods are so fucking awful
Roguelikes for this feel?

Good night, /rlg/

>>568977537
Classic Cata

>>568925796
waterway maps will also reveal lakes, and have a big hole in them where the aircraft carrier is

>>568977537
rat mutate a random follower for me please
>>568984081
liberal crime squad

>>568938559
Not quite.

test

>>568977537
>note extracting the rat milk by hand
grim

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Which DCSS mage is the best, or your favorite? You can pick any mage from any version, this is just current release because I'm a freak.

>>568975545
>Turn off your bluetooth or we're turning around

the humvees have mounted c9's now? thats the minimi, its a canadian machinegun. what the fuck, first we have to deal with aliens, zombies, fungas people, elderitch abominations from hell, and NOW we have to deal with FUCKING canadians? how is this remotely fair

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also while everyone was bitching about the items and loading shit, they massively buffed armored wheels. solid strat, hide the good shit beneath the crap

>>569005795
Neccymancer may not be the best it is, or was, my favorite
Why did they get rid of Pain man

>>569007445
>do 1 thing right
>do 5 things wrong
>everyone bitches about the 5 things
How is that in any way a "solid strat?"

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I feel bad for you riggly, stuck in a wasteland devoid of the gods
picking through trash and trans flags
the detritus of a dead civilization
while the other dimensions seal you away.

All you had to do was not eat the blob.

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>>569005795
That would be Osiris the Risen:
>Of the supreme the greatest, and of the greatest the sovereign: Osiris Goldenrod
MuWz Kiku
a rough start, to eternal life.

>>569010364
>roll to detect sarcasm
>you rolled 0!

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>>569013060
Fair. I should probably be in bed right now.

Wanna create my own rogslop
Thinking about making a quasi-original Rogue with some different mechanics, but the task at hand seems monumental even though I have some experience in the field

>>569005795
What the fuck is a hedge wizard

>>569020004
A whizz who works at a hedge fund

>>569020004
It's like a hedge knight, but he wears a dress

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>>569020004

Someone give me the tl;dr on the differences between C:DDA and CBN

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>>568952562
I'm in a healthy relationship with a biological woman now
>>569028758
both aren't roguelikes and should get their own generals, NIGGER

>>569030841
They are roguelikes no matter how much you keep crying about it

>>569031093
survival simulator roguelites
I've been crying since MuMo, it's fine

>>569032462
Nope, roguelikes.

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>>569032857
and picrel is best jrpg of the last decade

>>569028758
DDA is for realism autists, BN is for braindeads I mean casuals who want to play a game like any other roguelike, just in the Cataclysm setting.
If you want a list of changes:
>No proficiencies
>No pockets
>Usable helicopters
>You want to HIT enemies grabbing you instead of breaking the grab since hitting whatever is grabbing you will usually stagger it out of the grab
>No speed penalty for being low on stamina, so it isn't a valuable resource anymore. Essentially turns it into the 'sprint bar' that every other survival horror game has, use to get away when in danger.
>No body weight mechanic (can't get obese or underweight), can still starve
>No lifestyle mechanic
>Jumping in water doesn't make you wet and doesn't make you freeze.
>Imba loot like mart manuals feels more common, but I can't say for sure
>Autoloaders fuck yeah
I'm sure I'm missing a lot but this is what I recall off the top of my head.

>>569033656
Felvidek is in fact a JRPG, yes.

>>569033719
>DDA is for realism autists
DDA lost the plot way back and stopped pretending it was about reailsm.

>>569033949
ok I've had enough, I started a run
can we at least agree on how great it is? based even

>>569034182
Do elaborate, please. I think they're heading in a horrible direction with realism right now with turning it into a sandbox simulation instead of a video game with proper loot balance, but even the most recent stable release is before they took a turn in said horrible direction, and I think the game is fine as both an omni-apocalypse simulation and a video game (though still a bit too easy to just survive for my taste) on said stable.

>>569005795
I miss stalker

>>569033719
DDA has useable helicopters though. do you mean usable without a helicopter pilot proficiency?

martial arts manuals are also extremely common in DDA now, you find them everywhere including in random houses. In fact books in general are way less scarce than they used to be. Intact libraries will have multiple copies of nearly every book in the game now.

>>569037389
>do you mean usable without a helicopter pilot proficiency?
Yeah, mostly that. Since in DDA you need to start with the proficiency, then find a functional helicopter on a civilian airstrip or military base or wherever, and still struggle a lot with fuel when using it, it feels more like a flex than an actual utility. Like, 'yeah, I could fly now if I really want to, except I almost always never want to because of how expensive it is and because it can't take me far'. Not to mention if it gets totaled you can't repair it or modify it too aggressively. Meanwhile in BN you don't need the proficiency and can put together a functional helo yourself if you scavenge the rotor blades off of a broken or malfunctioning one, and helos have buffed fuel efficiency so they're actually really useful to fly over forests and cities. Fuck man I really wish DDA development tards didn't introduce the sickest kind of vehicle in the world just to make it this anal to find and use. I fucking love helicopters.
>martial arts manuals are also extremely common in DDA now
>Intact libraries will have multiple copies of nearly every book in the game now
Experimental DDA sucks, there is no future for this fork past 0.H. But between 0.H(or below) and BN I always felt like I got way too lucky in BN and found some great books just lying around in random houses. I don't play a lot of BN so I can't tell if this is just confirmation bias from me subconsciously thinking 'hurr durr this stupid normie fork sure is spoiling its players with manuals out the ass huh' or an actual tweak to loot tables or whatever. I'm hoping a BN player can correct me if it is indeed just in my head.

>>569039362
I agree they are going off the rails with the realism shit. I think they default to the appeal to realism as a way to circumvent arguments and complaints about the design of the game.

If someone bitches up a storm about a part of the game that was made as a product of a specific dev's vision that dev feels like they have to defend their decisions publicly by confronting the complaints and arguments which never succeed. Instead if they base everything in realism it gives them leverage to dismiss the complaints, they can simply justify any change as complying with real life.

The constantly reinforced legitimizing of realism as a basis for game design then invites autismos with hyperfixations on something or another outside of the game to put together needlessly complex and tiresome updates pertaining to their obsession that don't satisfy anyone but them, and more importantly don't serve the actual gameplay whatsoever. In fact more often than not they are detrimental to the gameplay.

And then other devs that can see the gameplay problems arising from this are compelled to produce absurd exhaustive arguments based in real life to justify the denying or removal of any of the autist's pet projects that are harming the game.

Ultimately the problem that causes this mess is a lack of a centralized authority that can dictate the direction of the game. Even kevin lacks that kind of authority. A classic too many cooks in the kitchen situation.

Is the no vitamin tracking default mod in BN also not tracking toxins from mutant meat making it 100% safe?

>>569005795
I like EE, but Summoner is obviously the best class. Summons block line of sight, and the crocodile spell means you never have to get hit by a melee enemy if you don't want to. It's a lot easier to win when you only take damage from beams and smite-targeted spells.

>>569020004
Bad class that starts with multiple schools of spells and can't cast any of them.

>>568943836
>>568941939
gotta change the bind expand item to expand all, thatll just always show you everything down to the lowest level. if you wanna see volume/length yadda, its a setting under interface>naming options>detailed containers, and change it to "all" instead of "worn".

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>hitting page 10 in 50 minutes today

>>568912385
Actually yeah every single survivor i've come across so far has had some mutie traits on 'em
Surely that can't be intentional

achra is fucking cinema

Does anyone know which stat affects unarmed hit chance in Soulash 2: str, dex, or both?

>>569066128
It's amusing that some builds require triggering X effect which deals Y damage and triggers Z effect and so on. Then other builds just take off all their armor and put every point into one skill.

>>568943872
>now that'd probably wreck your tires
That's an understatement. I got out of my way acquire a road roller to smash useless items I couldn't burn, and a pile of ceramic shards DESTROYED the roller drums outright. As in from full || health to XX from one pass over the pile. Fucking Looney Tunes logic.

>>569033719
You forgot FUKKEN BLIMPS
Blimps are awesome

>>568969275
> excessively wacky sci-fi setting
Some interdimensional aliens, a couple laserguns, UPSs, robots and cyborg gear being available from anywhere but Muh Speshul Doodz faction and a few portable nuclear reactors, that kills it for you?

Is all of that really gone from DDA by now?

>>569005795
I think Summoner or Forgewright is the coolest for FUN factor.
Summon Forest is already the most fun a RLG`er can have in midgame without taking his pants off, Leda's Liquefaction and Eringya's Surprising Crocodile or Malign Gateway getting mixed in is Da Way.

Forgewright's fun wants you to push until Hellfire Mortar (and friends like Spellspark Servitor), and really suffers from not getting (most) all of the spells in its school to drop more than not.

Special shoutout to Conjurer for guaranteeing Mephitic AND Fulminant tho.

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This one was my own fault. I thought Death Knight's effect would just kill him through the armor, but I was still triggering extra attacks from the boss when I failed to penetrate his armor with the main attack hit.

>>569077304
I don't understand how Mephitic and Fulminant can be the spells you get excited about. People mostly pick Conjurer just because it has a bajillion starting INT.

>>569070238
true choice

I died again.

>>569080543
Strong unique? Mephitic and Fulminant spam
OOD pack? Mephitic and Fulminant spam
Difficult vault? Mephitic and Fulminant spam

I like it because it's a save or suck for a long time and a tankbuster that punches up at a very long range which has you kiting backwards by default. Gives you plenty of room to explore and look for something better.

Anyways, I mixed it up, mephitic goes on Hedge Wizard. I'm retarded I guess

>>569088585
Conjurer used to have Dazzling Flash, a spell that confused monsters like Mephitic does except it had an absolutely terrible success rate and only checked HD one time. Somewhere along the line they got more INT and lost Dazzling Flash from the starting book. With their +10 INT you can basically just pick it as the default mage because it is easy to learn any spell school.

Kiting backwards and dropping Fulminants is boring and makes the game take a long time to play. I don't deny that it's effective. It's just not exciting. I get more excited about spells like Fireball and Airstrike that I can quiver and run through the game in a couple hours instead of playing DCSS for 8 fucking hours.

>>569076358
Did you miss this part?
>>568969275
>I think it's too much even in DDA

If the choice is between extremely wacky or slightly wacky I will take slightly wacky. But like I said I still had the most hope for TLG because it eliminated a lot of the remaining slightly wacky stuff from DDA. The exodii are probably the worst offenders on the wackiness scale in DDA and they don't exist in TLG.

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>>569020004
pretty retarded when your level 27 Deep Elf is still called a hedge wizard
nu-dcss: not even once.

>>569030841
based

>569031093
little girls play in sandboxes
rogues penetrate.

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The 20 points in Mindfighter class. It requires 2H weapons so Asi Malak is the only good choice I think.

Good night, /rlg/

>>569094715
>pretty retarded when your level 27 Deep Elf is still called a hedge wizard
What level should magically grant him a wizard academy degree?

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>Rift wizard 3 demo out since 10 hours ago
Fuck i fell asleep

>>569103974
I hate the new look. Does it at least play well?

>>569104231
Will tell you once i play it tomorrow, unless illness kills me overnight

>>569059129
How come this general can't exist on /vrpg/?

>>569102402
>What level should magically grant him a wizard academy degree?
The one where he starts vaporizing anyone who prefixes his title with "hedge"
Must've been a talking bush.

Not only is your objection stupid (honorary degrees exist), it is irrelevant:
Wizard is not a title that requires formal accreditation
And the Deep Elf who shows up should be a fucking wizard, not a hedge wizard.
As should the Pharoah himself, who owns the fucking academy. Plural.

t. wizard of fucking

>>569110146
are you even still called a hedge wizard? you can be a fighter and become a mage and it still calls you a fighter in any version. it seems like a really odd thing to be upset over, its what you START as.

>>569094715
"Hedge wizard" doesn't mean weak or low-level, retarded tripfag attention whore. Gandalf was referred to as a "hedge wizard" because he called no place home.

>>569118732
ackstually gandalf calls himself a hedge wizard because he appreciates all manners of grass and weed, especially when lit and smoked

>>569103974
>Haha nice try anon, RW2 isn't even out of Early Access
>Check anyways
Jesus fuck, fine, ok.

Anyone have the QRD for a noob on RW 1 to 2 to 3?
I got more into Achra than RW1 (which I never won, though I closed in on a few levels from the end once or twice)
Felt like I could make my own builds much more easily in Achra, but I could never quite get in tune with the pacing/power scaling of RW1. My most promising build died to a single-update bug sometime in EA.
I don't remember much about RW2 besides refunding it.

Maybe it's time to get back into it and notch a win?

>>569119424
kek, head canon accepted!
But the point is a "hedge knight" isn't called that because he's bad at being a knight or something, instead he's a knight who, for whatever reason, doesn't have any lands or holdings.

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Beat Lair and Orc.

Im somewhat upset my amateur self got the +10 barding because now i feel like i have to try.

Where does a armadillo man go next

>>569122934
Probably wherever you want, that's a fat cock worth of gear.
(I only play casters, but you shouldn't have any problem in shoals or whatever)

>>569041876
The thing is, they already sacrifice realism to make the game more fun to play in certain places. Broken bones don't take 4-6 months to heal because having to spend half a year in a bed would fucking suck and everyone would qyy upon breaking a limb. The solution? Just make the justification sci-fi. The blob powers you up and heals you, which is why you recover from wounds and broken bones so quickly. That's the explanation they have right now and I think it's way better than waiting ages for your bones to heal. The question then is why don't they use the same logic in other places that warrant it? Never flown a helicopter in your life? No worries, just find a feral helicopter pilot, butcher him for his brain, take it to a special lab finale with a Brain-Draininator (patent pending) and sit inside it to go comatose for a few hours while it transfers the helo pilot's knowledge and muscle memory to you. You don't need to spit in the face of realism by making helicopters always pilotable like BN does for a good solution. DDA isn't a reality sim, it's an apocalypse sim where the government has automated robots with guns and entire secret mutagen and cybernetic development programmes, it makes complete sense for them to have some top secret machine like this that you can use to your advantage. The realism and sci-fi aspects should both lend themselves to good gameplay, and sci-fi should win over realism if it would make a better, more fun game. Fucks sake, the military uses room-sized flight simulators with massive screens and a replica set of helicopter controls to train actual helicopter pilots, way simpler than a blood memory machine right, but DDA devs wrote that idea off because it would take too much power for an abandoned lab or something to realistically produce. They just hate playing actual video games and want DDA to be their coomfy trannie hugbox where players collect estrogen pills and pride flags and never lack useful loot after an ingame week.

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>>569119730
the resident rwiz anon is probably sleeping (>>513299989 >>566022426)
but I remember one main difference was rwiz1 spell charges were entirely dependent on MP potions which made every cast and drink timing consequential to the next floors, and rwiz2 was based on replenishing both HP and charges per floor
but more experienced anons say 2 is still harder or as hard as 1 even with the changes

>>569111634
It calls your character by starting class on the title screen and the morgue file.
Yes, I care what things are called in my fantasy game. If you call the shirtless Barbarian a Faggot, it changes things.

>>569118732
Gandalf was never referred to as such
He allowed the hobbits to underestimate him as a purveyor of cheap tricks, but not to his face.
You are only read because you cannot be filtered, bottom feeder.

>>569119817
A knight who is good gets land and holdings, and a wizard gets addressed without reference to any past academic informalities.

>>569129880
>spit in the face of realism
Flying a helicopter is not hard, it's significantly easier than flying a plane.

>>569131961
>A knight who is good gets land and holdings
If he has the favor of the king, that can have nothing to do with his skill as a knight. I don't know why we're having this conversation. You're wrong, you're retarded, and you're a tripfag attention whore. Fuck off, retard

If a colon is colon-y, then Rogue is roguelike.

>>569110146
Extremely dense foliage, sir
Excellent shot.

*catches coin*

Cause of death: Accidental self-annihilation

>>569132354
I cannot even trust you to define your terms correctly:
"hedge knight" is a fictional term popularized by the fat faggy midget GRR Martin to replace knight-errant.
In short, there is no such thing.

>A hedge knight is a wandering knight without a master, land, or permanent allegiance to a lord. The term is disparaging, implying the knight is so impoverished that they must sleep outdoors under hedges, in ditches, or stables rather than in inns.

>Origin: The concept, popularized by George R.R. Martin in A Song of Ice and Fire and its adaptations like A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms, draws from real-life Irish historical terms for itinerant workers.

The REASON no one calls them hedge knights is because they were cockerels itching for an excuse to fight, as anyone but a fat midget who's never been punched in the face would know.

>>569133224
>"hedge knight" is a fictional term popularized by the fat faggy midget GRR Martin to replace knight-errant.
False

>>569132260
Nah, modern helicopters are way less intuitive for the uninitiated. They feel more like piloting a spaceship, more about managing your inertia and altitude than anything. They're also way harder to do quick corrections in, so if you're losing altitude fast, even if you point your rotor straight up you might not be able to stabilise in time and run into the ground anyway. With planes you just need to remember not to go too slow or too steep lest you start stalling, the rest is comfy. And if we're considering the sort of ghetto vehicle a survivor might put together with scrap in BN, it would absolutely be significantly more difficult to pilot a heli than a plane, not even a question. In planes, manual trimming is a comfort at most, it's very simple to just push the stick slightly out to compensate for the nose naturally rising since fighter planes are almost always built with their center of mass slightly behind their wings, to make it easier for them to pull up their nose up than to push their nose down, the former of which is what they do in dogfights. Modern jets with fly-by-wire systems compensate for this automatically. But with helicopters, you aren't just stabilising your pitch manually without an autopilot, you're also stabilising your drift, your roll (rotating around your front-back axis), spin (rotating left and right), and altitude all manually, which is a lot to micromanage while also moving where you want to.
In either case, someone who has never touched a flight stick in his life would absolutely crash a few times while getting the hang of flying. Even someone flying a modern retard-friendly passenger airplane with a powerful autopilot would very likely crash while landing without any prior practice. DDA's mechanic of not letting john doe the office worker become an aerial ace the moment he touches the flight stick is pretty reasonable, it's just never being able to learn the skill after starting the game which is stupid.
t. flightsim autist

I mean if you can learn forging a sword from scratch in about a week from book learnin' there's nor eason you sohuln'd be able to learn how to fly a helicopter the same way, right?

>>569134968
if you fuck up forging you have a shitty sword
if you fuck up flying...

btw i gotta say this is one of the shittiest "arguments" i've heard in a while

yes. surely all skills are the same! everything is at an even level of difficulty. of course.

RETARD

>>569134968
I've never forged anything in my life so I'm not really in a position to compare the two, but with forging you don't break every bone in your body and turn your organs to mush impaled by sharp metal debris if you fuck up. Forged a bad knife, who cares, just try it again until you've got the hang of it. Helo spinning out of control, well, either you're losing an incredibly valuable and rare piece of equipment or you're turning said equipment into your metal coffin. Flight simulators in Cataclysm would equalise the two in this regard, by letting you try and get the hang of flying on a computer program until you're comfortable with the controls.

>>569135431
braziers > hedge wizard

>>569129880
>Broken bones don't take 4-6 months to heal because having to spend half a year in a bed would fucking suck and everyone would qyy upon breaking a limb. The solution? Just make the justification sci-fi. The blob powers you up and heals you, which is why you recover from wounds and broken bones so quickly.
I think an even easier fix would be to simply not call broken limbs "broken". If they were called "incapacitated" instead or something there would be less obvious incongruity with the player healing it in a matter of days not months.

The naming conventions of game mechanics lead people to think of them in pretty rigid ways I find. Health or HP is another one, most people default to imagining health to be your literal pulse and when it reaches zero you literally die, which makes for players finding it strange when you survive a fight with 1 HP where you logically should be on death's door. But if your HP simply does not denote your basic vital signs but instead something like your physiological ability to stay upright and active instead of critically wounded and bedridden that conflict goes away.
If you actually did break a limb in that cataclysm setting it would be an effective death sentence in nearly every imaginable case, so rewording the "broken" limb status to instead be temporarily incapacitated serves the same purpose without the logical conflict.

>>569134968
forging steel into basic tools is an incredibly simple process, particularly in the modern day where extremely pure high quality steels are all around us in cars and machinery and countless other things that could be repurposed into weapons and tools. Much of the difficulty and skill that went into medieval blacksmithing and heat treating was from having to work with much cruder materials and tools. Today you can gain a working understanding of forging tools literally from reading a book, I did it myself.

Forging a sword in the cataclysm could be as easy has taking a leaf spring from the rear suspension of a junked truck, hammering and grinding it to the correct thickness, then heat treating it.

Flying a plane or helicopter would be infinitely more difficult than that lmao.

>>569136213
In fact you could make very high quality weapons without any forging or heat treating at all. Probably not swords, but you could easily make a tomahawk or battle axe just from chopping out sections of truck leaf spring into the length of the axe head, then cutting and grinding it into shape with an angle grinder.
That axe would literally be higher quality than any medieval equivalent weapon because the modern alloy steel is a much much better materal. Using that same process you could make spear heads and probably even short swords if you found a thin enough leaf spring.

>>569138006
Isn't that the bolted/welded weapons in fab 4?

>>569138710
the bolted/welded weapons are made from mild structural steel going by the recipes. Mild steel is so low in carbon that it cannot be hardened, so it wouldn't make very effective weapons. The sharpened edge would deteriorate almost immediately. Alloy steels like those used in springs and tools like wrenches and in the shafts for most rotating machinery among many other things can be hardened to a level appropriate for weapons and are also substantially stronger than mild steel. The springs in truck suspensions are already hardened to a level similar to what you would want them for weapons, so the point is that you could create a weapon that is as strong and hard as something forged and heat treated from scratch just by cutting and shaping a truck spring with an angle grinder.

>>569135463
At least the braziers thing didn't have awful namefags

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I refuse to use anything but conjuration, my brain is smooth

>>569134405
I dunno, I don't think it's unreasonable at all to simply require piloting ability to be chosen at character creation. It's not like the game penalizes you with a crippling downside from choosing a background in helicopter piloting. Professional flight simulators like those used by the military are incredibly rare hand-built machines, tying the ability to learn flying after the end of the world to finding one of those machines is incredibly contrived not to mention would require the creation of a skill progression just for that one highly niche function. The utility of flying vehicles in the game is essentially that they make exploring new areas and traversing the map much easier, but that function has been filled by highways.

If anything more of the advanced skills should be tied to character creation. The game is already unbearably grindy, you need to grind for hours on end just to do mundane things like modifying your car. Adding in more complicated crafting chains that you grind for hundreds of hours in your basement bunker to learn advanced chemical synthesis or semiconductor manufacturing or fucking brain surgery seems like a massive distraction from the core gameplay, surviving the apocalypse.

>>569135829
I do agree that getting to 50% hp on say your torso doesn't actually mean your torso is 50% bullet wounds and cuts, it's just the point where you can't actually survive the injury.
But I think the problem with changing the wording is explaining why your incapactitated limb needs a long extra process to begin healing back up from 1 hp to whatever your max is. I think "broken" is fine, because it's fact that even survivors are infected with the blob, and the nature of the blob is basically mutating shit for survival on steroids through ridiculous regeneration and adaptation. Everything in the game aside from robots heals like crazy, it's not like survivors are an exception.

I also don't think that a brain-scanning-memory-transplanting machine is on the same level as the blob making things tanky. One implies that humans could do that before the blob hit, the other is that the blob is just that ridiculous. Even most of the fancy science tech you find in labs is just the result of studying the nether, mi-go and blob shit that started spilling out into earth. From this perspective, actual autonomous combat robots made solely through human tech are less believable than just eggheads getting ahold of a ton of new alien toys to play with.

An advanced flight simulator would be a good way to tackle it though. If power is an issue, you can just throw a stupid amount of batteries at the problem, it's not like there's a shortage of them in the game.
Another way could be an NPC pilot you could find so he could teach you.

>>569144898
Handwaving away inconsistencies with the blob is clearly something they are uncomfortable with doing and only do so out of a lack of a better explanation. And they are right to be uncomfortable with it because you can use blob infection as a justification for almost anything since it's basically magic with extra steps. If the blob can inexplicably turn you into superman instead of a zombie the whole premise of the game goes out the window on multiple levels, why do you need to find food and water or maintain your body temperature or avoid infection and disease if your blob infection is also making your wounds regenerate like wolverine?

The ideal answer would be one that removes the need to handwave away problems with "it's the blob, I ain't gotta explain shit".

>An advanced flight simulator would be a good way to tackle it though. If power is an issue, you can just throw a stupid amount of batteries at the problem, it's not like there's a shortage of them in the game.
It really wouldn't for the reasons I mentioned. There are probably only a handful of those kinds of flight simulators in existence, and using one isn't like playing a video game. They are very complex technical instruments in their own right. Most people would fail to get their plane off the ground in something as simple as DCS just by fiddling with it.

Again, you have to ask yourself, what purpose does the ability to fly planes or helicopters in the game serve? It doesn't really accomplish anything except let you move around the map faster, but you can already do that to an effectively equivalent level with highways. So why do you want it in the game so much, because you think it would improve the gameplay or because you have a personal interest in flying planes? The game is not supposed to be a flight simulator.

>>569145689
I don't think it's so much as being uncomfortable with the act of handwaving things in general. It's being consistent in what can be believably handwaved and what can't.
As much as people would like to paint the dda maintainers as being cartoonishly autistic about realism, it's mostly just a funny strawman they could mentally spar with to feel cool for playing the cooler alternative. A fully realistic game would just be real life, without any monsters or aliens. I don't see any plans for removing anything non-mundane, the intent is still to keep aliens and monsters around.

Just because the blob has limitless potential doesn't mean you get it right away. It's an alien thing, and it's reasonable to imagine that it works in some way. It's not a hocus pocus spell. There's a loosely plausible mechanism by how it works. Maybe the fact that sane survivors are able to mentally resist the blob's takeover and thus experience less mutation effects. So unlike the perpetual motion machines that zombies are, they need a degree of sustenance because they're more human and less blob.

Oh and I don't personally think that actually using helis is important. I'm fine with not getting the ability personally.
I just understand the notion that from a "game" standpoint, in a game where you actually spend more time collecting neat shit than actually "survive", it's a bit weird to have a special snowflake piece of content that you can only get by starting as a pilot, when any other skill is acquirable ingame. The only other "gated" content is post-threshold mutation, but that's a conscious choice made during gameplay.

>>569143939
>It's not like the game penalizes you with a crippling downside from choosing a background in helicopter piloting.
Point cost. And frankly, it's stupid to have content that you need a starting trait to access, can you imagine if marts was the same way? It isn't great that you can learn a style of combat that usually takes years of practice by reading a book over an afternoon, but it's way better than if you could never have them unless you started with a, what, 5 or 7 point proficiency for unarmed marts and melee styles respectively?
>Professional flight simulators like those used by the military are incredibly rare hand-built machines
Rare, yes, but not unheard of. Commonality of certain structures in Cataclysm is a bit off anyway, you'd expect nobody in the world to find the head of an underground top-secret government science lab sticking out the ground in a lifetime, yet you can find multiple within a few kilometers of each other if you're lucky with worldgen. As long as they exist for players to use, how common they are can be hand-waved by the simple fact that science labs generating once or twice in the entire world would really suck for gameplay. Same should apply for flight sims, I think. They exist in real life, so they should exist in game, they might be more rare in real life but do you really want to scour the entire world for a single globally-unique science lab or flight simulator?
>If anything more of the advanced skills should be tied to character creation.
For helicopter piloting specifically, I don't see the problem with allowing both. You could start with it if you pay with points, or you could spend those points elsewhere and end up having to find a way to learn piloting mid-run.
>The utility of flying vehicles in the game is essentially that they make exploring new areas and traversing the map much easier, but that function has been filled by highways.
I don't play experimental, never seen em, sorry.

>>569144898
>Another way could be an NPC pilot you could find so he could teach you.
I don't see how having someone explain to you how flight controls work is any better than just reading a manual. Or did you mean an NPC sitting in the helo as a co-pilot telling you how everything works? That would also work, yeah.
>>569145689
>Handwaving away inconsistencies with the blob is clearly something they are uncomfortable with doing and only do so out of a lack of a better explanation.
Then why do they do it? Because having broken limbs heal over half a year would fucking suck, and citing le blob is much preferable to horribly balanced gameplay.
>because you can use blob infection as a justification for almost anything since it's basically magic with extra steps.
You could, because the blob is a fictional entity. But if you got rid of the need to eat and drink and sleep and whatever because le blob made you superman, the game would become way more bland, since you don't need to do anything to survive anymore. Cataclysm is a video game, and video games ought to be fun, I think it's fine if the fictional elder god that is wreaking havoc on human civilisation throws you a digital bone if it means the game is way more fun to play than without said digital bone.
>Most people would fail to get their plane off the ground in something as simple as DCS just by fiddling with it.
It isn't something you could figure out in an evening, maybe not even in a day, but the higher-quality modules have some very comprehensive manuals, and you know what they say about the monkey locked in that one room with a typewriter.