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Alicesoft/Rance General #1306
Authentic Zethie Cooking Edition

Last Thread: >>567742419
FAQ: files.catbox.moe/vxrbu5.txt
Torrent: files.catbox.moe/zxwsje.torrent
Read the FAQ before you ask questions.

>Useful Links
Wiki: https://alicesoft.miraheze.org
Booru: https://hannybooru.com/
Check the FAQ for downloads and general hints!

>Miscellaneous
List of translations - https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/Translation_project
List of mods - https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/Modding_Project

>Recently Released
Only You [English Patch]
Mediafire: https://www.mediafire.com/file/kpl10ogjg2jjfb4/Only_You_Re-Cross_English_Patch.rar/file
MEGA: https://mega.nz/file/dj9HmCBZ#Vwt_DvPkTogA_8ssvrmKTldoIUE2UivuVCrEEYeZEn4

Galzoo Island [English Patch]
Drive: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Ugus0OkswgePIigqplOfer8id9QE4pf0
Prepatched: https://mega.nz/folder/gzl2XLjL#P7sSj56QXitsfY1pF3EIcw

Beat Valkyrie Ixseal
Mangagamer: https://www.mangagamer.com/r18/detail.php?goods_type=1&product_code=1471
https://mega.nz/file/Ouo1FSpS#sngYlg7Op_fas-JPqQkg0oBMojV-yfGXauql-X5zmVc

>Rance 03 English Out
https://mega.nz/file/60JglLyI#iOGa_Xj49ZiZJJyIBOvwJtRricqLuafUWTjYRx77Kws
https://www.mediafire.com/file/ket7bpzpie3l3rd/2015+Rance+03+[ENG].rar/file

>Yoru ga Kuru!
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2901150/Yoru_ga_Kuru_Square_of_the_Moon_Remastered/

>Daiakuji (Partial English patch)
https://github.com/fcolecumberri/Doddler_Bizarre_Adventure_in_the_Matriarchy/releases/tag/V0.8

>Upcoming Games
>Japanese
Untitled wife nukige (still happening)
>English
Rance X - Translation: 100% – Editing: 80%
Daiakuji Fan TL
Pastel Chime 3 - announced
Daiteikoku - TL Announced
http://mangagamer.org/rance/
https://twitter.com/Alicesoft_en
Translated Rance Games on Steam
https://www.kaguragames.com/rance-is-finally-coming-to-steam/

35th anniversary site:
https://alicesoft35th.com

>Emergency /ghost/ Posting
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/533301678/
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>dead game
>dead company
>dead franchise
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>>568645627
Dead hanny
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>>568645627
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>>568645353
>spicy curry
Sasuga Zethjeets
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Just starting Mamatoto,
it gets points just for the kino BGM.
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Imagine if the Ricktator could be confident while maskless in the Continent...
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>>568652849
One of the things I like about Rick is that if you think about it, his admiration for Rance makes a lot of sense. Sure, Rick’s the better swordsman, but he’s a real softie at heart. He can’t kill a kid even though the kid has every intent to kill him first(Rance 9) and he also gets quite shy communication wise even with the helmet on. So it’s not too farfetched that Rance, someone who can get things done no matter how dirty they are and has maximum self confidence, would earn rick’s respect
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>closes 20 tabs worth of porn
Detox time. From now on I'll only consume wholesome porn. Comedic rape is wholesome just so you know.
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>>568654313
...I haven't jerked it in nearly a month.
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>>568621887
Not how it works

KR is confirmed exist as Parallel/Different Worldline in Rance X
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Rance gacha doko?
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new rance x ai anime episode
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQiNAOJkNKM
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Hypothetical question
But Rance X Spoiler
After Part 2, if Shizuka or Nagi have a baby with Rance
Will the baby have some defects from the inbreed/incest?
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>>568662120
No
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>>568662120
Defect chances are extremely low with first generation incest, though I'm not aware how father-daughter impacts it, Rance contributes less dna than normal so it wouldn't impact it as much as normal if it increases. Brother-sister incest around 20 has a lower chance than normal post 30 children. If they want multiple children then they could start combining incest+age factors, but it's still not that significant. It's mostly successive inbreeding that starts causing severe issues.
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>>568655071
That's genuinely impressive to me. I view it as noteworthy if I don't jack off for a single day.
>>568654313
As long as you don't get hard, it doesn't count :^)
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>>568661520
>Makes references to kichikuou characters
>Actual plot points are remembered, albeit potrayed a little weirdly due to AI
>Rance's laugh
>The one shot of the monster general actually looking terrifying
>Crook explanation gag moment
>Magic freaking out
>References Arcolate's meal tickets, albeit with a twist
Unironic SOUL.
eh parts:
>Rance freaking out over arcolate fucking him. >copandon not speaking kansai ben
>Rance not using Chaos
>Rance's pep talk to Arco is a bit too noble
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>>568645627
It was a good run at least.
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I wanna nut on Maria's glasses.
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How long will playtesting last for X?
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>>568671553
Until they ban porn games and vpns in your country :}
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>>568664927
>As long as you don't get hard, it doesn't count
Rape, corruption, NTR-ish, etc have been my main source for fap material for years now. I'm not going straight up for a nofap run, but I'll start consuming hentai from wholesomelist and confirmed vanilla stuff. I need to purify my soul.
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>>568674861
Don't joke about that it gives me anxiety like you wouldn't believe
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>>568676921
Niwa just pirate it
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>>568671553
2 or 3, maybe 4
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>>568676921
They can't ban VPNs niwa it's a protocol you're fine
It would be like banning IRC
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>>568677458
>he thinks we're not headed for a tech dystopia
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>>568677634
>he thinks we're not already in a tech dystopia
I can't even order an Athena, so it's a double dystopia
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>>568645627
Why does their chest armor look like the nose of a jet fighter? Looks unwieldy.
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Shizuka thighjob.
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>>568677254
lmao
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>>568654313
>Comedic rape is wholesome just so you know
Based Kiliu and Kon-Kitfag
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NAKADASHI
A
K
A
D
A
S
H
I
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>>568686024
>Kiliu and Kon-Kitfag
Eh?
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I miss Am-fag and Ssulal-fag
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Have we ever seen Shizuker only in her green dress?
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How long does it take for a fiend to regenerate their invincibility field after getting hit with Chaos?
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>>568689576
However long is convenient for the scene.
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>>568661520
pretty cool to see how AI has improved
It really makes me wonder if Kojima was born later, how would he utilize AI to make his movie games?
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>>568690013
not sure how cool it would be when the prophesized torrent of slop comes forth. i don't like the way it looks rn to be honest, or maybe knowing there's going to be a million of those just makes it boring.
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>>568686908
Those floppy red things on the hem of the robe look like they should be for tying the robe together, but there are no buttons or anything on the hem opposite to them, nor does Shizuka ever wear her robe tied.
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>>568692081
It's magic.
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>>568664927
I never ejaculated at all for the first 22 years of my life, the rare wet dream notwithstanding
All I ever did was edge for years and years. I didn't even really jerk my dick, I just sort of pushed it around whule staring at hentai.
The first time I came by my own actions was when watching a hentai years ago and I decided to actually jerk off like people apparently did in videos. My first nut was so hard I had this sort of seizure centered around my hips and nearly fell off my chair. I've never been able to replicate that.
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>>568700086
It was almost the same for me. I didn't finish while masturbating until I was 24. Before that I only had wet dreams, and there was that one time when I was 15 and I was able to finish without using hands just by thinking about some nice memories. I've only finished once while having sex, usually I need a bj or a hj for that.
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>>568700086
I've been jerking it since before the semen would actually come out cloudy. I don't even really enjoy it much most times anymore because the sensation has dulled over time, but most of the time now I do it to help me sleep. The only times I get that kind of crazy sensation like you said is if I'm playing a particularly hot H game all day.
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>>568700086
Your first nut really is the best one. I remember giggling with glee after I finished myself
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One of these days I'll play 5D
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One of these days I'll play 4.1
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>>568708783
the 4.X games aren't bad, they're really short
Funny ass games as well
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>>568702023
I do wonder if 9 times out of 10 most men masturbate not because they are particularly horny but because there's no other way to relieve that uncomfortable, knot-like sensation above your taint. Like obviously the process and the result is rather enjoyable, but it's mostly done to relieve yourself rather than out of an irresistible drive, akin to taking a piss.
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>>568718743
I guess what you're saying it's that it's an urge? Because I agree. Some people seem to think there's a libido bar and if you let it get too low by not fapping you're gonna start fucking any hole in the wall.
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>>568718743
For me it's because it's one of the few joys in my hallow, shallow, empty and worthless excuse of a life
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>>568718743
I have to do it. If I go more than two days without masturbating I get horny just from the friction of my jeans.
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>>568724486
Bro...
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>>568721263
It's rather more like a bar that builds passively constantly that you have to spend or else it starts to become really distracting physically and mentally.

>>568725320
Yeah, about two days dry is what I can usually handle too before it becomes an issue.
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>>568655112
I know but I choose to believe it anyway that the new worldline is just what warg is entertaining the whale with.
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I fap to a green haired Rance girl daily
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>>568733280
Tomato Purée?
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>>568733280
Must be Yocchan
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Reipuman
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>>568629917
I like it.
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>>568664927
I was around when No Fap was a big meme. The secret is that your libido totally dies after two or three weeks.
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>>568687914
I miss the Camilla's feet guy,
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>>568702573
I don't even remember my first nut. Never been crazy about them. When I was quite young, I used to hump the bed until orgasm.

>>568718743
>>568702023
This. I definitely sleep better.
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>>568745260
that's a blast from the past
I don't miss him
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Does the torrent have DiaboLiQuE? I was considering trying it since Orion did the art for it.
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>>568746554
Wow nevermind. I didn't realize it had literally every game.
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>>568686024
Kon-Kit is the type of shit I want to get away from
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>>568750280
Kon-Kit used to vary his stuff more but now 99% of what he does is NTR, humorous but NTR nonetheless, even a couple of his previous vanilla oneshots turned into one.
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>>568751956
I love some of his stuff but yeah, now it's all NTR shit. If you want some good vanillakino I recommend kiiroi tamago and okazaki takeshi.
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I found out the hard way that loading a save instantly overwrites your autosave in KR. Luckily I didn't lose that much, but it was an eventful couple turns with Ex getting defeated and La Seizel appearing, so it took a bit to catch up again.
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>>568761535
How can she be useless if she keeps the thread alive?
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>>568762230
She falls on her face everytime she does it
>>568762110
Gotta cycle those saves and make one every turn. You never know
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>>568763589
That's advice. The first time happened from a misclick after all.
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Is defloration a fetish? It's like saying beauty is a fetish.
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>>568769637
I guess it's fair to say it's a fetish if the guy clearly loves it way more than most people... as long as it's not just tits or ass.
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That was too close. She was almost a Sill sandwich.
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>>568769637
How is it not?
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>>568774407
Sandwiched between 7 foot tall Helman apes maybr
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>>568774407
A good move to save Shizuka
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Which old track got the biggest glowup between III and 03?
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Nos never transformed into a dragon in III? I thought him doing so was like a wink at genre tropes, like, you can't have a DnD-inspired fantasy game and NOT fight a huge dragon at one point.
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>>568785795
Pulptenks is jealous
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>>568787560
Nos stuff was different back then

Back then, Dragon and Oni is 1 being
You see, when a Dragon become humanoid, that means he's no longer a dragon, but rather an Oni

But Nos cannot accepted that
So he wore armor
The Armor basically made Oni who wanted to return to dragon as close as possible (retaining Dragon abilities)

Nos looks old not because he aged, but because the armor made him look that way

That's why in IV and X flashback he looks very young because he doesn't donned armored skin

The lore in 03 is just a strange changes
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>>568790387
ちなみに03では違った解釈されてた感じだったが、
4、10に描いたノスが3で老けたように見えるのは
老けたわけではなく装甲皮膚がああいう形になって行っただけ
あと、設定変更でアレだったのが、ドラゴンと鬼は同一存在。
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>>568790387
Interesting
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My pet dog
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>>568796102
Does she know any tricks?
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>>568798802
she loves to play with balls
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>>568804447
Wholesome
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>>568806717
ninja's got a nice ass this time around
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>>568806717
KANAMI
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>>568785785
It's too normal
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Who's the most universally liked and least controversial girl? Kanami?
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>>568813905
Probably, I don't really care much for her though.
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>>568813905
Never seen this general shit on Lia
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>>568814320
I have.
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>>568814320
Lia is boring after 03
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>>568813905
Yeah, probably.
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>>568813905
My Archfriend is highly regarded and loved by all.
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>>568813905
Kanami won our Rance IX poll (beat Rance) and is always top 3.
She also gets voted as one of our star players for our divegrass team.

>>568814320
Lia is quite popular as well but not as much as Kanami,
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>>568813905
Probably, I mean she does have those murders behind her but every other girl is controversial for worse reasons
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>Been on a new laptop for months
>See silly Wiki update
>Need to investigate with AinDecompiler
>Never got my VM working
>Can't chatbot my way to get AinDecompiler working
Has anyone got AinDecompiler working under WINE? I'm so close to plugging in a fucking Windows machine.
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>>568806717
Rance looks...strange. It's like he's trying to smile but his eyes are looking in three different directions.
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>>568813905
Alice-chan
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>>568821653
That's because his irises are looking at two different directions.
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What's the most iconic Rance screenshot?
>The diviner girl fell.
>Assault Lia Assault Lia Assault Lia Assault Lia
>Sill, Kanami, Shizuka and Maria laughing at Rance
>Ack, a fag...
>My ASS is in danger!?
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>>568823169
>>The diviner girl fell.
This one
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>>568823169
start down the path of a pedophile?
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>>568806717
How many gacha collabs is it at this point?
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>>568820252
Its always Kanami, Shizuka and Rance top 3
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>>568823863
2 in this one
2 in the sengoku one
1 in another sengoku era gacha
1 of mechas
1 in Aigis
1 in Tenkei Paradox
And the beat ones, maybe I'm missing 1 or 2.
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>>568824510
Those are some nice ninnins
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>>568824673
How nice would you say these ninnins are, by comparison?
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>>568825445
Inflated but proportionally to her body good
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Am I supposed to just roll with it when my commanders die in KR? It seems like I'd probably get softlocked if I did.
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I like Rovert Landstar so much
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>>568828150
Strategy purists would say yes and if you end up too understaffed then restart the run. Personally I just reset if I feel like it.
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>>568828150
I’ve seen some people advertise that as an important game mechanic thing but honestly unless you’ve planned out the consequences there’s literally zero reason to let commanders die.
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>>568821394
HOLY SHIT I GOT IT RUNNING IN FUCKING DOCKER.

I'll have to write this up for the Wiki or something.
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>>568821394
I got it working in the past, but I couldn't figure it out when I tried again recently on a fresh install.
There's a VS Code extension you can use as an alternative. It's better in many ways, but YMMV.
https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=kichikuou.system4
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Got the fonts working. Think it was winetricks cjkfonts that did it.
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>>568828876
>>568837125
Good job niwa
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>>568824510
Does anyone have the senpro (sengoku pro something) one?
From 2018

It went defunct so I thought maybe someone here still had an archives of the vid
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>>568840259
https://mega.nz/folder/qyJwWbpK#wmrsD81yV3iD6wi-hEyrrg
Not here?
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>>568837125
I wish I saved the code back when it was like this. It's become much less reliable after I tried to tidy it up.
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>>568840986
That's Sengoku Koihime
Not Sengoku Providence
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>https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/User_blog:FixSRwiki/Ain_Decompiler_In_Docker
That'll do.
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Anyone remember what ◆ゲームモード is in SR? It's not in my notes.
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>>568858786
Oh I got it.
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Nerds
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Haven't done one of these in a while.
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Who puts evil thoughts in this girl's mind? Confess!
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INCREDIBLE TECHNOLOGY

So why isn't Satella wearing glasses?
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Is that really world-class?
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>>568865768
99% of people don't go above lvl 20.
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>>568865768
A Level 50 human is a national level power. Common soldiery are high teens to early 20s
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>>568865768
The legendary heroes in jill’s era were 50 ish
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>>568865768
BS is level 55 in Rance X.
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Anti-hanny magic!
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>>568865768
I'm only level 22 and I'm the strongest person I know, it should be pretty rare. /haniho/ is just very strong.
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These hanny quests are pretty hard. I've got some good loot as well so losing would be bad.
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I got lucky. Won due to some lucky dodges.
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One of the things that I like about this game is that I can't predict who will save the day.
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RANCE SPANK
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Might call it a night here. Hanny Quest 3 looks like it needs me to level grind Rizna. My guard died in the first battle.
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>>568865768
That's higher than Rick was in III
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>>568872316
Now that's a fight I want to see.
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I like Gilles the best in terms of translation considering how Alice Soft names tend to be and considering the mass murder aspect.
>>568872428
Rick couldn't do more than scratch her and her marks would just heal her.
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>>568872624
We don't take kindly to your sort 'round these parts
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>>568872624
Shatter
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>>568828876
>>568837125
>>568858990
>>568860937
Maria would surely be proud of this display of technological prowess.
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>>568872428
Realistically, Sachiko guards impressively well but she can't attack in any way so Rick eventually wins out. You can't win without attacking t. clausewitz or something
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>>568876040
>You can't win without attacking
You can if it's a defensive battle.
>t. played Sengoku Rance
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>>568876612
>The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting
>The second best is initial time advance
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>>568877178
lol
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is it just me or are there a lot of leotard designs in rance
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>>568885406
Define a lot.
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>>568885971
"A lot" is a versatile English phrase used as a pronoun, noun phrase, or adverb to indicate a large quantity, a great deal, or a high frequency of something.
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>>568885406
I think TADA has a school swimsuit fetish, that's basically a leotard?
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>>568885406
and we like that
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>>568885406
Glorious days indeed
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>>568828876
>>568837125
so you're running wine inside docker?
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>>568885406
Too many, leotards are trash
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>>568909191
Sasuga Elizabeth
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>>568902951
Why do you consider them trash?
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>>568914523
I like subtlety. My brain has been conditioned to find women with more exposed skin inherently less attractive.
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>>568917030
Inshallah, habibi.
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Is Lia proof that if you are hot and cute, men will let women get away with li-te-rally anything?
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>>568917186
It's true. Short skirts that look like they're about to give you a peek are better than exposed panties. Leotards even make panties obsolete!
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>>568877178
Top kek.
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>>568894319
Yes.
https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/User_blog_talk:FixSRwiki/Ain_Decompiler_In_Docker
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>>568917953
if it runs inside docker with wine it should run without docker with wine as well.
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>>568918346
I explained this
>A free chatbot convinced me that I could get it to work in the 32 bit version of WINE
>Modern Linux systems don't like installing multiple versions of WINE
>I didn't want to break things by uninstalling my working WINE.
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>>568917030
My lizard brain is too small to understand such complexities, for me it's just I see sexy lady = penis gets hard
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>>568917613
Leaders will be allowed to get away with anything if they are competent
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>>568918516
>A free chatbot convinced me that I could get it to work in the 32 bit version of WINE
/doh
>Modern Linux systems don't like installing multiple versions of WINE
Up until very recently each and any installation of wine came with 32bit wine as well hence requiring multilib. I can not speak much about how well this should work with the still new wow64 approach due to lack of testing on my end.
>I didn't want to break things by uninstalling my working WINE.
Understandable. It is however quite easy to have multiple versions of wine in your system. Many seem to like wrappers like bottles or lutris, but you can even do it on the shell.
Like, instead of wine I can call home/anon/wine/runners/dwproton-10.0-26-x86_64/files/bin/wine64 directly. I have multiple runners in that dir and can easily switch between them. (Yes, I do write short scripts to start my games, I don't type this out every time)
There's also this new umu thing, but don't have much experience with that either.

But hey, good you found a solution that works for you. If I'd have taken the time to play with aindecompiler myself I might have been able to give some advice, but so far I have not.
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>>568919590
>home/anon/wine/runners/dwproton-10.0-26-x86_64/files/bin/wine64
I tried exactly this. The 64 stuff seems to make the 32 stuff inaccessible.
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>>568919758
sure, but there is the 32bit wine executable just besides it. I just copied this command out of one of my scripts, and there I want the 64bit one. And if that wouldn't work I'd go with the good old trusty GE-Proton-8, the last version before GE switched to his umu thing.
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>>568917030
I wouldn't put it in such prescriptive terms, but it is a fact that Maria's design is the most erotic one in 03 even though she doesn't have a single inch of exposed skin below the neck.
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>>568920365
>there is the 32bit wine executable
I think there isn't. It seems to map to the 64.
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>>568920408
Yeah, if you're American
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>>568920476
dunno, but:
wine: ELF 32-bit LSB pie executable, Intel i386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib/ld-linux.so.2, BuildID[sha1]=6b4738bbd8db0b0b829d02dea3471fcb5cebd18f, for GNU/Linux 3.2.0, not stripped

It depends on how wine was built, and this runner still has 32bit wine included it seems.
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AinDecompiler does work in wow64 mode. I just tested in a fresh prefix on 11.10 staging. Just needed dotnet35.
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>>568920878
She's not fat, okay. It's called "thick".
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Should have the Tulip 1 kept the ammo belt from a design standpoint?
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>>568921060
I'm so fucking sure that I tried that.
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We need some Linux Hanny VS Gates drawfags.
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>>568922073
the linux user ratio in this general seems to be way above average
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>>568922640
I'm convinced it's an age thing. The average age here must be in the late 20s.
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>>568922640
It's everywhere man
A lot of people are jumping ship from windows since 11 got jeeted to shit

I'm still riding out my W10 LTRP
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>>568920408
Based on design my top 15 are
>03 Maria
>03 Shizuka
>KANAMI
>Crook
>Bezeleye
>Ssulal
>Modern
>Dweeb Hawzel
>Isoroku
>Russian
>Millie
>Anasel
>Cream
>Amitos
>Pulptenks
No specific order. Honorable mention to 03 Hunty, Yukihime and Nami.
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>>568922840
Which distribution would you say is best for someone that wants to give Linux a try? Any tips or important words of wisdom for someone who has spent their whole life as a Windows baby?
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>>568923934
doesn't really matter that much, they're like all the same under the hood
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>>568923934
I think Fedora is the popular thing at the moment.
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>>568925680
Arch is the popular one these days
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>>568926152
Different anon here, the fags on /v/ always say arch is for people that know computers and want to spend hours setting shit up, and mint just werks. As for me, I'll just ride windows 10 together into the coffin.
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>>568926470
Ubuntu isn't as good as it used to be and Mint is just Ubuntu with some custom fuckery. If you want something Mint-like then you just want Debian, but Debian isn't too beginner friendly. If you're a beginner, you can also rule out Arch... so what are you really left with?
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>>568926470
I think you just need to be able to follow tutorials. I tried Arch once and it wasn't too great mostly because once I got it functional I got too lazy to make it convenient. But there are enough tutorials that I imagine any older person used to computers should manage. Maybe coding knowledge would help... I might be underestimating that bit.
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>>568919357
Or rich.
She's both.
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>>568934748
When are leaders not rich?
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>>568935242
When they rule Helman.
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>>568935242
Magic has to work a part time job because zethjeets are poor
But even they are wealthy compared to Helman
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>>568935242
Lia is obscenely rich though. She's probably at least ten times richer than the second richest leader, excluding Compandon of course.



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