The Kiss Edition>What is /crpgg/?This general is dedicated to the discussion of computer roleplaying games such as:Arcanum, Baldur's Gate, Disco Elysium, Divinity: Original Sin, Dragon Age, Expeditions, Fallout, Icewind Dale, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, Mass Effect, Might and Magic, Neverwinter Nights, Pathfinder, Pillars of Eternity, Planescape: Torment, Shadowrun, Solasta, The Age of Decadence, Temple of Elemental Evil, Tyranny, Ultima, Underrail, Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines, Warhammer 40k: Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader, Wasteland, Wizardry, and many others.>Recommendations:https://files.catbox.moe/gx6f4u.pngPrevious: >>568615176>Thread QuestionWhat do you think of romances spanning several games?
*Punch Solas*
>>568691223>>568702207Sosiel is the only correct answer, I'm afraid.
*Smooches Solas*W fanart of choice.
Dogshit OP.
Sosiel and Trever are non-character non-entities that I forget even existed.
DH Beta survey is up ASK FOR WAIFUS SAAAARShttps://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/comments/1tr4h77/have_you_played_the_warhammer_40000_dark_heresy/
Have any CRPGs done a permanent protagonist swap mid-way?
>>568702351>>568702486>>568702593I thought you'd say Arue, I'm gonna go Arue I think. Galfrey is a hag
Romances spanning several games are always terrible because they cannot assume the romance actually happened or even have logical follow ups due to player choice possibilities interfering with the narrative flow necessary to provide a satisfactory setup for the romance. Look at Mass Effect, Liaras romance is nothing but tonal whiplash from start to finish across the full series as a result of these issues.
>>568703015Arue is older than Galfrey by several centuries at least
>>568703015>this general saying arueyou must be new here
I have never beaten Dragon Age: Inquisition but the fact the game convinced a bunch of females to fall for a BALD elf is so funny to me.
>>568703143What does this general have agaisnt Arue?
>>568702889Nier Automata did it 9 years ago
>>568702498the SOlasisters won
Which area should I go to first in DH beta? From what I understand the Rogue Trader is the officer companion right? Should I get her first?
>>568703202She's Beta Yrliet
>>568703015Arue has more romance content if you play as Azata. Galfrey makes the most sense for Angel run.
>>568703361>romance content if you play as AzataShe doesn't
Speaking of Liara, I have never seen a more forced, inorganic character in all my years. Tali and Garrus were the clear fan-favorites.
>>568703170His romance in Inquisition is peak bald or otherwise. I don't know why it's surprising when space opera female nerds your mom's age had crushes on Picard. Intelligence is sexy.
What games let me be a simple knightElf wife would be a nice bonus but not required
>>568703286>Arue>a sweet girl inside a succubus >gives sex>Yrliet>traitorous bitch>does not give sex ever
>>568703478You get her a whole chapter early and you get Azata unique choices in her quests.
>>568703286How? Arue actually loves you AND puts out
>>568702498>TQIt can work if the protagonist remains the same, but only sometimes. Ashley and Kaidan spazzing out on Horizon, Thane getting killed off because the devs basically forgot about him, etc. prove that it still ends up dogshit about 50% of the time.Hawke’s love interests were conveniently placed “somewhere out there” in DAI and barely got mentioned more than once or twice. Morrigan was handled well until DAV came along. DAV fucked up the concept in general. The letters to the Inquisitor were mostly weak, like Josie suddenly proposing in hers. From what I’ve seen @ people complaining, solavellan was also handled poorly. TL;DR: I think it’s a bad idea, and developers aren’t capable of properly implementing it, especially when some of the romance writers leave between games.
>>568703170he's tragic and his voice is nice
>>568703202She's a terrible and uninteresting character that is only liked because she's the "best" and most attractive option for a romance amongst a decidedly subpar selection of choices. Consider the character separately from her romance content, and tell me, do you think she's a well written or fun character to have around? Especially when you can directly compare her to other characters like Fall-From-Grace that explore everything about her tropes about a billion times better, and I just don't see how anyone can like her, again aside from being the cutest romance you have as an option as a male, which is admittedly enough to give her the following she has, but outside of that she's bland and forgettable in just about every way.
>>568703170>yeah maybe he's attractive, smart, kind, dorky in a charming way, sensitive, caring for you, literally sweeps you off your feet, and makes you feel super special but are you aware he's BALD?
>>568702498>What do you think of romances spanning several games?The only good example of this is Morrigan. And maybe Jack.
This guy reminds me of Slandered
>>568703604>whole chapter earlyBit of an exaggeration here, she joins near the end of act 2, while normally she joins early on in act 3. This choice can also be taken without sticking to the azata path, you just have to unlock it, and all you do is flirt with her a bit earlier, ultimately it changes nothing> you get Azata unique choices in her questsOnly one with Dimalchio, she also recognizes the Desnans and that Mephistopheles is lying, but this has nothing to do with her romanceYou could at least mention the one actual piece of reactivity you get for playing azata and romancing her, which is recognizing Desna during her act 4 romance only quest... but that also happens if you worship Desna, so even then it's not really azata exclusiveThe only mythic path with romance reactivity in these games is demon with both Arueshalae and Sosiel
Why is she such a slut? She has a father.
>>568703825Jack was kind of lackluster due to her basically being absent in ME3. Her Citadel DLC stuff was 10/10 though.
>>568703773Cam and Wenduag aren't subpar doe
>>568703627>It ends up dogshitEvery time. Name a single time it was pulled off well. And also, why are you bringing up Morrigan? That was not a multi-game romance, she was a non companion NPC and so was the Warden in the sequels, so that really doesn't qualify.
>>568703978Because her father is an incompetent fatass who raised her wrong
Is there any way we can convince Owlcat to add more romance content into Dark Heresy?
>>568703515"forced" has become a forced buzzword itselfwhat do you mean she's forced? just ignore or kill the character you don't like nobody's forcing her on you, your player rights are not being violated because she's forced into a cutscene
>>568704089How do you raise someone like Camellia properly?
>>568702498>What do you think of romances spanning several games?kino
>>568703627>solavellan was also handled poorly.It was. The Inquisitor is obsessed with him and he doesn't really care. The ending is rushed but yay they kissed!
>>568703942I heard there's a kino moment with her where you go demon but then redeem yourself and turn into a angel later. That true? Might have to do that one day
>>568704020True, they're both far below subpar and more accurately can be qualified as radioactive sewage, which again goes a long way to explaining Arues popularity when such options are her "competition".
>>568704141Go and check her true aeon ending
>>568703515I have been saying this.
>>568703627>From what I’ve seen @ people complaining, solavellan was also handled poorly.We like pretending veilguard never existed ( among other reasons...).That's how awful it was treated.
>>568704216We don't tolerate CamCam disrespect here
>>568703515She won. Stay mad t*lichud.
>>568704125>just ignore or kill the character you don't likeWell first of all, you can't kill her. Secondly, you can only really ignore her in the first game if you save her last. And if you *do* save her last, her character arc makes no sense. She becomes obsessed with someone she knew for two weeks, and then fucks off the become some information broker badass. And in the third game you get FORCED interactions with her. Bioware shoves her into your face.
>>568703773People that glaze FFG are funny because when you actually play the game her best moments are all when she acts like the love interest she's supposed to be and other than that she doesn't really do jack shitHer standing up to Vhailor is cool to defend Annah is cool too, I suppose
>>568704141>how do you correct your daughterit's actually very simple
>>568704125NTA but he's right, Liara IS forced and this has been gone over multiple times regarding the Mass Effect series. She's way too central to the narrative for no real reason, she is 100% pushed as the expected romance, and it was flat out confirmed she was the writing teams favorite character which explains why they pushed her so hard. To the point that even in the rumors of ME4 she's STILL around, which is absolutely asinine and stupid. That's not even getting into the ridiculous and inconsistent way she was written from game to game, going from a meek, shy nerd who happens to have a field of study that no one cared about which is suddenly crucial, to a super spy femme fatale competing with the galaxies most proficient information broker out of nowhere, to ME3 where they try to make her both the super spy AND the super scientist whose knowledge and research is the central component to the entire possibility of success your mission has.
>>568704141Like this.
>>568702498TQ: Sure, why not, as long as they're written decently
>>568702498>TQIt never works out. Romances should be self-contained and satisfying within a game, or at most a game and its close sequel. If even Bioware dropped the ball on multi-game romances even though they made a reputation off of that, that tells you everything you need to know.
Also fuck posting this>>568704738 reminded me that i could have named Cam's dog Dexter... CAn you change your pet's name?
>>568704880She's able to sleep because she had a man inside her.
>>568703059this kinda confirms that this youtuber doesn't lie and so there are more companions in game
>>568704094>weThey don't give a shit about us and GW flat out hates white men so no
>>568704064I did say it works if the protagonist remains the same, anon. Morrigan was mentioned as an example of her being handled somewhat decently in DAI despite the different protagonists, since her romance is still taken into account there. DAV just went “whatever, her character development is gone, she’s Flemythal’s mouthpiece now,” which yeah, only proves that games with different protagonists can’t make it work in the long run.>>568704206>>568704418I think Dorian was the single okay-ish Inquisitor romance in DAV because they just got to stand nearby and act nice to each other, and the letter was fine. The rest ranged from abysmal (and completely ignoring differing romance outcomes for some characters) to total nothingburgers.
>>568702498>tqwell you need a game where you play as the same character, only one I can think of is ME and I don't know about Witcher
>>568704880So why does Reddit hate this trainwreck rollercoaster, but loves Regill.
Raz and Cam
>>568704534Don't forget she went on a solo mission offscreen between 1 and 2 that's responsible for Shepard's resurrection while the rest of the crewmates and Alliance moved on instantly. The entire resurrection and Cerberus stuff was stupid though.I personally like her when she isn't acting schizo like rekindling her romance in 3, or "badass" like in most of 2, but "forced" is not a stretch by any means.
>>568704564I never really got a love interest vibe off her, she's supposed to be the closest to a peer TNO has, she's ancient and can actually somewhat understand his perspective and struggles and that's the way they talk to each other.
>>568705048>Why do people dislike the annoying cunt but like the cool dudea riddle for the ages
>>568705001Werg and Mortismal said it too who are also Olwlkek partners. But no one said if those companions are REAL companions you have for most of the game or just late game "secret" ones you get for a few hours near the end of the game like Uralon, Chorda, Caligos.
>>568705001we've already seen zerbe and the NL can be companions
>>568705048Regill does not kill to get his nut off
>>568705035>I don't know about WitcherWicher is bad because it forces you to cheat on anyone who isn't Triss. Second game starts with you banging her.
Blueberry supremacy.
>>568705167>I never really got a love interest vibe off herEver done an autism test?
>>568704534Mac Walters is the reason why, nobody remembers him but me!
>>568705303Is it cheating on your part if it's amnesia? If you're referring to Shani, they break up before the second game.
>>568705303Geralt and the sorceresses are openly polyamorous
>>568704839Yeah even Biowares only real success was BG2 into ToB, which DID have satisfying conclusions to the romances, but that was an expansion, not a sequel. >>568705020But you're missing the point, it's not a real "multi-game romance" because you do not continue or advance the romance since you are now playing a different protagonist. That, by definition, cannot be qualified as a multi-game romance.
>>568705103If the artist did this for any other character, people would shit their pants and have a melty. Imagine forcing Linzi to settle down with a man and become a housewife instead of a writer. You know how they'd react.The hypocrisy is revolting.
>>568705303This is the Polish way
Why do women love Regill and Greybor?
Camturds won it seems
>>568705483>Is it cheating on your part if it's amnesia?Imagine your romance does this then think about the answer, lol. I think it's just bad practice to take away my choice, in a RPG, as a player is all.
>>568705543>the artist>raztard artistlol lmao
>>568705714You have to be genuinely retarded to believe it, self report Starrok, probably doesn't reach 3 digits IQ
>>568705543Can't impregnate a bookCan offer her the playboy mag experience at best
>>568705303Geralt is a cuck so there is no continuous romance in any Witcher games.
https://voca.ro/1omxQq7nKRVE
>>568705714THE WORLD IN CRIMSON
>>568703202We love Dimalchio here
>>568705705women only want one of these
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEvOZAFZIFE
>>568705705>and Greybor?bro, you already tried this, no one is falling for it
>>568705226Owlkek is baiting through them. Only late secret companions are left.
>>568705394Just because she's a beautiful woman doesn't mean she has to be sexually interested in the protagonist. Her entire struggle and torment is spiritual in nature and that's what creates the resonance between her and TNO. I really don't see how you can qualify the dialogues and interactions you have with her in that game as sexual at all, they're all about the search for identity and meaning and whether you can really rebel or change your intrinsic nature into something else, even if you were raised that way, and even if that IS possible, is it something you want to or should be doing to begin with? Look at the dialogue she has with him where they go over why she chose her name, and she points out that she hasn't really fallen from "grace" per se as become more rational and structured since she was raised by Devils, and TNO responds that she likely chose the name because it implies a sense of loss, of regret, and that's what she really feels, to which she agrees, since she actually feels hollow and incomplete since her chosen way of life doesn't line up with her intrinsic nature. I don't see how you can look at stuff like that and think "yeah these two characters just wanna fuck", I mean, really?
>>568704089But enough about my father.
>>568705956Haha she's so funny
>>568705705>and GreyborIt's Regill that femcels like. Not Greyboring.
>>568706092Who said anything about sex? You can be in love with someone without sex
>>568705720W2 has Letho mention Yennefer trying to fuck one of the Viper witchers, and the books have her treat him far worse
>>568705956hehe
>>568705714What? How? Literally the first fight you get with her has her yelling the most bloodthirsty lines.
>>568706230I don't mean in the Cuck Simulator known as the Witcher games. I meant in rpgs in general.
>>568705705they're the only chudpilled companions
>>568706323She has other tells, but people delighting in something they claim is necessary isn't unheard ofRegill enjoys the sadism instead of approaching it clinically, for example
>>568706230too be fair she had amnesia too and didn't remember anything
>>568706092Hi, Josh>>568706220Hi, YrlietDumb autists
>>568704125>what do you mean she's forced?It was clear that she wasn't that well-liked, yet the makers of game put spotlight on her. >>568704672 puts it well.Character being forced is just a byword for creator favouritism.
>>568706553I don't care about your elf, you can be in love with someone without having sex with them. Especially if you're physically incapable of having sex like Grace's case
>>568706220>Be in loveThat term right there is the problem. No, you cannot BE IN LOVE with someone without desiring sex, the entire point of romantic love is the combination of compassionate love and animalistic desire, if you remove the desire component it is no longer "being in love", but simply the love and compassion you can feel for a close friend or family member, which is not romantic in any way shape or form. Romantic love in and of itself must include sexual desire or it is no longer romantic love, by definition.
>>568706092>she's a beautiful woman doesn't mean she has to be sexually interested in the protagonist.Argenta... Amiri...
>>568706036I saw a comment on Mort's vid asking him were those secret companions or normal ones, Mort said they didn't specify
>>568704672>writing team's favorite character>completely change her personalityidgi
>>568705048she's a loyal straight virgin woman
Camcam saying her combat lines making me laugh. She carries me through the shield maze. Whenever Seelah screeches her combat barks like "The inheritor GUIDE my BLADE" makes wants me to stab my ears with a screwdriver
>>568706092>she's a beautiful woman doesn't mean she has to be sexually interested in the protagonist.Yrliet...
>>568702498the C in crpg stands for CRAP
>>568706676The entire point of "love" is to get sex easier. If she can't have sex she can't love
Do exclude certain races from your party by default?
>>568706897Of those four things you mentioned, two are true, and two are false
>>568704496>She won....the plainest ME waifu competition.
>>568704672its clear they wanted her to be the main love interest but Tali is probably more liked at this point
>>568706859Probably the most satisfying and enjoyable part of the entire Mass Effect series is taking Javik with Liara to Thessia and watching him effortlessly destroy her entire culture, history, and world view in the span of a few hours.
>>568707031Well if I had my way I'd exclude certain freakshit races like Tieflings from my games and settings altogether
>>568707127>thieving 3 fingered gypsy whoreDisgusting
>>568706851They probably didn't felt the need to specify. I don't have the article on hand as source, but I do remember how Owlcat said in an interview how they wanted all the team members to be recruited as early as possible for better paced content distribution.
>>568707203You sell out Quarian secrets to the Geth to make Legion happy, you're a hypocrite
****THE OWLCAT CHALLENGE****>Loyal>Straight>Virgin>WomanPick two at max for your next dolly
>>568707203still the better character
>>568707370Cassia is right there!
>>568707370But Cassia is all four of those things and she was made by Owlcat.
>>568707351Given to Cerberus and then killed in 3.
Regarding potential extra companions, I don't see it as far fetched since KM had 11 companions and Wotr had 12, not inlcuding DLC + aivu/lich shit etc.10 isn't a constant just because that was the case in RT, hell they had plans more companions like a Daemonette and a Harlequin but they were scrapped.Maybe we get one or two more full companions in Act 2 or perhaps have them added in Act 1.
>>5687073701 and 4. 3 is unnecessary if 1 applies, 2 is irelevant as long as she's bisexual, and 4 is a given and filler
So do the pro-Cerberus mass effect players just ignore the murdering admirals and experimenting with husks and thorians and thresher maws? Talk about cognitive dissonance. Or they just don't read, I guess that's a possibility
>>568707739Bioware certainly did
>>568705146>>568705368>>568703515Lengthy azure shaftsSwollen throbbing girthHefty blueberry ballsSamara was much better than Liara
>>568707370>WomanA dolly is always a woman
>>568707739>do the pro-Cerberus mass effect playersWAKE UP ANON it's not 2012 anymore
>>568707739>the murdering admirals and experimenting with husks and thorians and thresher mawssounds based
>>568707351i don't give a fuck about your gay ass clanker
>>568707739That's a strange question to ask since there is really no "pro" or "anti" Cerberus choice to make in ME as you are automatically their foe in 1, automatically their ally in 2, and automatically their foe once more in 3. You never actually get to make any choice regarding the matter of your own volition as a player.
>>568707739better sure those fags think ME is their 40slop
>>568706581>was clear that she wasn't that well-likedI agree that she's forced but this is just flat-out utterly delusional, Liara is one of the most popular characters in ME
>>568704672>To the point that even in the rumors of ME4 she's STILL around, which is absolutely asinine and stupid.Asari live for thousands of years, what's so weird about that? unless you meant why are they recycling a waifu for the 3rd time then yeah it's dumb
>>568708080Liara would not have been as popular if she didn't get her own expansion with the player, and was a starting party member in me3, and got the most player-exclusive scenes in me3.Garrus and Tali, despite being in all the games, got way more sidelined. It took longer and longer to recruit them as the series progressed, and they're still top picks despite that. Could Liara have thrived under that situation? I'm not sure.
>>568703798Solas is none of those things. His only saving grace was that he was revealed to be a GOD. Otherwise he was rather unattractive.
>>568707370how does an unloyal virgin work?
>>568708438>Solas is none of those thingsthere are limits to being a contrarian you knowwhen you start to deny reality you need to take a step back
>>568707870>Samara was much better than LiaraFor a weeklong fuck, sure. "Romance"? fuck no.
>>568708419She was already popular in the first game, anon>despite being in all the games, got way more sidelined. It took longer and longer to recruit them as the series progressedLook I get that you like Tali and it's true this applies to her, but Garrus? He joins you early on in both game and he's not sidelined at all, especially not in ME3
>>568704672>To the point that even in the rumors of ME4 she's STILL aroundYou mean to tell me I still have to see her blue mug? 20 years passed and the devs, like some hung up obsessed boyfriend, still inject Liara everywhere. God, I hope ME 4 never releases.
>>568708458Anal whore >"i'm saving my virginity for my husband"
>>568707739Illusive Man and Miranda disavowed those independent rogue cells, anon! Do you not read?!Seriously though, many who played ME2 didn't play 1 and the game only briefly references those events in the prologue with imported flags, I think.Cerberus is handled horribly across the trilogy though, for example >>568708001 and the whole Lazarus thing.
>>568708458go to any university anoneven the girls from prudish backgrounds think stuff like blowjobs aren't cheating or count as sex
>>568708767Honestly? Based and would.
>>568708458Unfortunately, virgin women are still women
dwarves
>>568708552I tried romancing him on release, before anyone knew he was a god. And he was a drab sourpuss. When he excused himself and ran off clumsily, I bid him good riddance and figured I got lucky my femquisitor wasn't forced to endure more of him.Then people found out he was a god, started dropping their LIs left and right and blindly latched onto him. Absolutely disgusting.
>>568708847based? A dishonest whore is infinitely worse than an honest one.
>>568709231Sorry I meant *biased. I am part of the anal kingdom.
>>568709182That's not what happened, lmao. But okay, whatever satiates your delusions.
>>568707370this is actually kind of awfuli guess a jaheira scenario would be the best outcome?
>>568708595You are looking it from wrong perspective. Cocky maleshep getting shown his place by a hot, ancient alien mistress with a huge cock and cold demeanor is much better than anything they have in-game
>>568709829Please please PLEASE kill yourself
>>568709182>Then people found out he was a god, started dropping their LIs left and right and blindly latched onto him.Dunno about other people, but I romanced Solas from the get go because he was being an endearing fade nerd that was nice to spirits and Cole.
I wanna smooch her.
>>568709182>Then people found out he was a god, started dropping their LIs left and right and blindly latched onto him.Pretty sure this did not happen. Nobody gave a shit that he was FenHarel.
>>568709182Wtf are you talking aboutPeople theorized solas was a god from the start
>>568709182uh oh moid mad and no one cares that he's a god, he's a lame ""god"" if anything
>>568709829>futaniggergo get aids and die
Honestly what's the point of this, reallyLow fire-rate, low range, low damageLike.. okay?
>>568691223Daeran or Arueshalae
>>568707370Cassia, Galfrey, and Kalikke are all four of those things. You people bitch and moan about something owlcat has actually been giving you every game you just forgot
>>568711117>GalfreyBlue thinks she's on the team
>>568711117>Galfrey>LoyalSure. And as much as I love the twins, they have basically 0 content. You get the bed scene once and that's it.
>>568710150
>>568711117Galfrey and Kalikke are not straight, they're bisexual, and Galfrey is not loyal to you>b-b-but cuckLoyalty isn't just about cuckoldry
>>568707370>loyal virgin>not straight>not a womanabsolute win
>>568711117>kalikkedoes kalikke reject you if you're a woman? i thought the twins were bi>galfreynothing says loyalty than sending you on a shit mission because her pride was wounded>cassiathe only one you mentioned that seems to fit
>>568711464I didn't realize Sosiel had fans
>>568711518>nothing says loyalty than sending you on a shit mission because her pride was woundedAND then takes your army in your absence in a failing attempt to end the crusade. It is insane how much she fucks you over.
I wonder if people realize that just because you successfully solve a case in DH doesn't mean you HAVE to report what you found. Like you correctly say that the Kroot killed the Agent then Big Z will exterminate the Kroot even if you have a contract with them. You're a glowie and you need to act like one.
Name 1 thing Galfrey did wrong.
>>568711841I wanted to become a swarm that walks and she said no.
>>568711781>Big Z will exterminate the KrootI'm not seeing a downside here.
>>568711841mentioned that knight she had a crush on or something
>>568711781The first duty of any officer is to the truth.
>>568711781I wonder if people realize just how many people this will completely turn off from the game when they can't be 100% honest good guys like the iconoclasts in RT
>>568711841appointed that fox woman
>>568711781Zero Parades prepared me for this, I should be good.
>>568711841I think it's easier to name one thing she did right because she fucks-up so much. Naming you KC was one thing she did right... assuming you're not going to pick an evil mythic path (or trickster) then it's yet another fuck-up to the list
>>568707370Arue got all that covered
>>568712365You really aren't being a "honest good guy" in RT if you go full Iconoclast though, you are being suicidally naive and causing the untold suffering and deaths of vast numbers of people in the Koronus Expanse. The creation of the Demon world, plus the Genestealers choice alone do far, far more damage to far, far more people than anything a Dogmatic character does in RT.
>>568712365Most people like working for their preferred outcome. Good guys should learn to be smarter and have sharper teeth to make their achievements feel more earned and believable. That's where Owlcat failed with rt's Iconoclast. They failed to give it this nuance.
>>568712707Even then she was basically forced into it since you were gaining popularity. She had to put herself in front and make it look like you were under her.
>>568711841be a jealous retard
>>568711841Pump and dump me after I fucked her.
>>568712774She isn't a virgin and she's also available to romance as a female, meaning she's not straight, so no.
The superior Aspyce.
>>568711117kalikke is bi and fucked>galfreylol lmaoing
>>568713113Nice concept art. Now let's see her portrait.
Camellia is a virgin btw
>>568713113This is so superior to her current portrait.
>>568707370>womanwhat other one will regina be?
>>568713113I think she'll backstab you, as a RT there's no way she only joins you because she was bored
>>568713116Kalikke's virginity never gets brought up, waifufags just cope and assume she is like they do with Kibellah. But Kalikke actually gets excited for a second and considers it when her sister's boyfriend offers a threesome, doesn't sound like virgin behavior if you ask me.
Larry and Saro will always be in my party
Ugly mongrel
>>568713775Horgus raped that?!
Them having to be exclusively straight is a meaningless and arbitrary criteria. It doesn't matter if the person likes men and women if they are a loyal and non-slutty person. This criteria isn't meaningful and was added as an arbitrary extra criteria specifically to exclude Kibbelah, Kalikke, and Galfrey who otherwise meet the criteria of being loyal, not slutty, and don't randomly bring up prior relationships, which are the things that matter and the things you people normally bitch about. You added another criteria that doesn't matter because people have been pointing out that owlcat actually does include a loyal conventionally attractive woman romance in every single game, which goes against your narrative. So you disingenuously try to hold the fact that some of them happen to be bisexual against them, which doesn't matter.
>>568712989>Galfrey only named you KC because she wanted your dickWhat a slut...
So what did you guys answer in the DH beta survey?
>>568713915>Galfrey>loyalBro, just stop
>>568713915You mean the same Galfrey who can't stop mentioning how much unknown knight's cock she took while on a date with you?
>>568713954>doing a 40 minutes survey for a company for freeI'm not a cuck
Galfrey is just Valerie 2.0>has kids with someone else but not the pc
>>568714267>cuck talk out of nowhereAnon….
YOU DUMB WORHTLESS FAGGOTS FOCUSFUCK ALL THIS WORTHLESS BULLSHIT AND SPAM THE SURVEY ASKING FOR MORE ROMANCE CONTENT OWLCAT MIGHT ACTUALLY LISTEN THIS TIME SINCE THEY ARE TRYHARDING FOR DHSPAM THE SURVEY DO SEVERAL ONES EVERY DAY PICK RANDOM SHIT JUST ASK FOR MORE ROMANCE CONTENT AND SAY IN BOXES THAT IT IS THE MOST IMPORTABT THING IN THE GAME FOR YOUDON'T BE LAZY FUCKS WAKE THE FUCK UP AND DO IT IT'S OUR CHANCE FFS
>durrr you can love without sex doe???Some of you guys are so fucking retarded. Please consider that Arue is a succubus who by nature is compelled to use sex as a tool to seek power and entertainment for herself, she could not and did not want to love, and now she is denying parts of herself out of a desire to be good. Sex is OF COURSE PART OF THAT you fucking stupid retard she’s a LITERAL succubus. Denial is her response to the demonic animalistic impulse that has for her entire existence colored her perception of sex and physical intimacy and only after she is able to trust herself and trust you does she feel safe sharing that part of herself. The nature of the Abyss is to corrupt and turn what is healthy and natural into something unholy and profane and Arue is a physical manifestation of corrupted sex. This is why in her romance ending she is able to truly ascend her nature and have sex as a shared experience with someone she loves because she loves him and later to create life rather than use sex selfishly as a destructive tool. A sexless romance with a character like Arue would be autistic, retarded, and it would miss the point, in addition I don’t think romantic “asexual” love is even possible, at best you can love someone like you would love a sibling but it will never be anything more than a platonic attachment
>>568714640Eh. Why? Romance isn’t important. Maybe Reddit is more your speed.
>>568705972Thanks Jocastanon I discovered something
>>568714640You want more cringe flirting lines with Gaymar or something?
>>568713420>there's no way she only joins you because she was boredCorrect. She joined you because she's homeless.
Or use the Beta Survey for issues you actually want solved.Like archetype balance or fixing some encounters (like the gunship)
Imoen
>>568714640>SINCE THEY ARE TRYHARDING FOR DHLol. This shit is just a side project next to the Expanse.
>>568714892She has her ship in the orbit tho?
>>568714640pasting this into the last box
>>568714892>Woman join you because she's homeless and betray you at the first opportunityWhat did owlcat mean by this
>>568714720>I'm platonically attached to a woman that claims to love and respect me but won't touch me out of visceral disgust >Laarthyr: *pats my back* Don't worry about it bro life fucking sucks So what is the moral of the story here
>>568708990They really went hard on them but unfortunately the fanbase didn't appreciate. Hamburger Helper got bullied by people angry about da2 gameplay and bioware as a whole had a huge elf obsession rivaling fulgrim(bg2 was a taste of things to come). Also Aeducan>>>>>Cousland you can all line up now so I can slap you down one by one.
I don't think I'm gonna be able to finish the dark heresy beta.Combat flipflops between fun and abysmal dogshit depending on if the billions of trash mobs decide to do their "stun me RIGHT NOW or I instakill you." move within your range or not.
>>568714640There’s no romance tab you moron.
>>568715386Exodites were exiled for a good reasonBros before hoesDon’t date autism
>>568715386>the moral of the storyIf you can't secure a woman (hard mode) you should settle for a man (easy mode)
>>568714720Yrliet is unfortunately based for mindbreaking people like this
>>568713494I mean her sister shares her body, she definitely fucked. kibbles got raped by someone so not a virgin
>>568715562Complain about trash mobs in the survey. They’ll listen.
>>568715846Where's the survey?
>>568715826For the one millionth time, Kalikke and Kanerah don't share a body. One sleeps in a pocket dimension while the other is in the material plane, that's why you can switch them when one dies
>>568715083I mean, in rogue trader terms, she is basically homeless because she's no longer the head of the dynasty in Koronus. Wondering wtf endings will she be getting.
>>568715913Here, because Owlcat only posts on Reddit. Otherwise the URL is marked as spam.https://www.reddit.com/r/RogueTraderCRPG/comments/1tr4h77/have_you_played_the_warhammer_40000_dark_heresy/
>>568715823Yrilet hasn’t done anything to negatively impact me whatsoever and I’m not sure what you mean, she’s an experimental character and I think the concept was probably an interesting creative exercise and if I were on the dev team I would have supported it. I actually find the contrast between her and the elf in DH pretty telling
Yrilet hasn’t done anything
>>568716009they SHARE the same body
>>568717220Yeah, corpses don't do much.
>>568717295They literally don't, play the game. Or use your brain for a second>Kanerah reaches 0 hp>Game automatically switches to KalikkeIf they shared the same body then Kalikke would be just as injured as Kanerah is, but she's not, because they don't shara a body
>>568715562Can you give me your beta then please please pleaseeee
>>568717419Why do any of you care about this though
Imagine the low IQ iconoclast RT who was “pragmatically” dealing with Marazhai and Yrilet for decades meeting Laarthyr by chance. Would he kill himself?
>>568707370>only the fishfu meets these fourgrimdark, even
>>568715681PASTE IT INTO ALL THE OTHER TABS FOR FUCK SAKE YOU HAVE A FREE WRITE OPTION
>>568717629What can I say, it bothers me when the game says "the sky is blue" but retards insist that the game said "the sky is red" instead
>>568717762I would rather complain about things that matter.
>>568703798That's it. I'm going to replay dai just to suffer through solavellan hell again.
Bros my waifus are all soiled from horseback riding...
>>568717923Romance is the only thing that matters
>Fate has spoken your name, child. I am the Farseer, Laarthyr.>ELANTACH, HE IS THE ONE WHO KNOWS.>Who the fuck is that retard? Is she with you?>well.. yes..>Is that a Drukhari? >…Yes, but->*smiles dangerously* >Ah, I understand. You determine the fate of these worlds? >…Yes>I see.
>>568718083>He believed their liesThe only truth is that a horse was involved
>>568718394Could an AI ever spit this drug induced psychosis? I think not. Human craft wins again.
Alright, I can now make peace with the fact that there will be no torrent
>>568703170Egg sexo.
>>568717419same body
>>568715021I really don't like her. I think she's a weak plot hook in Baldur's Gate 2, and her barks in the first game are very, very, annoying. I'd unironically rather have Nalia in my party.
>>568718646you're not missing out on muchthere are no dollies yet
>>568713575Will Discor be there to piss them off
Why can't I accuse everyone at the same time in investigations? Say "everyone was conspiring together to do X"Like in Lucid palace I kill all of the nobles. I wanna see Zerbe's reaction to me murderhoboing everyone I come across
>>568719115What if I wanted, god forbid, just try the game before buying
I want more xenos.
>>568719254It's not a demo
>>568719254Pirate it once it's out
Is this good and succint enough for owlcat?The game is fun and the narrative systems are good, I think you’ve done great there, but Combat has a problem. Dark Heresy (Tabletop) is meant to be highly lethal for both sides, but you've made enemies extremely numerous and tanky, while keeping their lethality. People are spamming Assail because there are hordes of weak minions to go through while tanky snipers do Concentration-shots ignoring cover and oneshotting you, while taking several headshots to kill. Getting to them to throw grenades or gambling on being able to hit aimed shots to the arm is not feasible. Either make cover a lot more effective and plentiful, reduce the amount of enemies, or reduce their damage/health. I'd suggest cutting down on the number of enemies (this isn't a Real Time with pause game) and either giving more CC options to archetypes, or enemies not able to simply one-shot you outright (I played on Daring and it happens plenty). The side-objectives are fun but some are nigh-suicidal, like the Mechanicus tree in the swamp. Snipers instakill you if left alone, especially because there is no cover, and the objective asks that you DON'T kill the enemies? (1/2)
Give one good reason why Yrliet couldn't give us a handjob
>>568719087Awful taste. I like her barks and voice more than Nalia's
>>568719757That’s good. Especially for the conclusion where you have no word limit.
>>568719757The idea of "hordes of lethal enemies" does not work in a more grounded system like this. Both sides need to be on the same playing field. For example, my Warrior Sanctic psyker can comfortable kill a Medium enemy in 2-3 turns. But a Medium enemy can two-shot my Ogryn with concentration shots. Compare it to X-Com for example, where enemies certainly bring in the hurt, but you're able to either Crowd Control them or hurt them back plenty. And while you play X-com outnumbered, you're seldom fighting vs 3 times your team-size. I think it's time that Owlcat gives up on the "5-10 trash mobs every fight" idea and gives us more interesting tactical combat, because this game flip-flops between very fun “Keep enemies locked down so they can’t use their Concentration-attacks to bring us down” and extremely unfun “The enemy is too far away and there are 10 trash mobs in front of them so they’ll just oneshot my psyker this turn I guess.”.
>>568718394hey I would dump them both for Larry, I just don't get any decent xenos companions in the "have a warrant to pal around with xenos" game
Being a detective I think the DH main character should die sad and alone only able to wistfully look on at the relationships people not burdened by a superior deductive mind are allowed to have
>>568719909Send the first part or send it all? >>568719757>>568719926
>>568719964this but instead it's plucking a felinid from poverty and making her your wife
>>568719926> I think it's time that Owlcat gives up on the "5-10 trash mobs every fight" idea and gives us more interesting tactical combatPlease understand, their first 2 games had 30 enemies on encounters and no one really complained.
>>568720128Send all of it.
>>568719964Unless we can pull a Jimmy and quit to be with our lover
>>568719757>>568719926>NOOOOOO THE GAME NEEDS TO BE EASY 1 TURN KILL EVERYTHING LIKE ROGUE TROONDER I AM TRANS AND I NEED EASY FIGHTS TO DO IN BETWEEN ROMANCE GOON SESSIONS
>>568720689Who are you quoting?
>>568719938Blame it on GW. They never give them non-imperium factions anything noteworthy.
>>568720689Retard.
>>568720689I say this and think this and look like this while saying this (and thinking this).
Dark heresy is just like unfair rogue trader where you oneshot enemies and they also oneshot you, except here you do low damage and enemies have a "WARNING! WARNING!" 1 turn setup before they oneshot you
>>568721418GoodI like my grimderp lethal and dangerous
After playing RT, going all in on Iconoclast honestly feels very dumb. Dogmatic with a bit of Icono seems like the proper path.
>>568721418False, you don't really one shot apart from trash and mid HP mobs. But that's 1-3 actual enemies per turn depending on the fight. You can't clear encounters in 1 turn like in RT. You need to utilize cover/positioning/health/armor managementFights are longer and it takes a while to kill really tough enemies unless you specifically dogpile a single one with all your dudes
>>568721578Its lethal and dangerous for (You), the player maybe
we are never getting a ork
>>568715021Indisputably the most universally loved CRPG companion of all time. Of all time.
>>568721848I think Icono with a bit of dogma works too. In general going all in on a single alignment is always kind fo stupid.
>>568721848other way around is better
>>568721887Read the post again but less retardedly! (No really, I'm not being mean)
>>568721920I bet DLC 4 companion will either be a human or an eldarDoubt Owlcat will introduce a new xeno type. It will be limited in gear since it's getting 1 DLC, Ulfar is base game didn't get new gear in previous DLC, there was a patch that added gear for him after Lex. A human and Eldar would be able to access a ton of gear from previous content.
>>568715021Many are saying this
>>568722318We all know it's gonna be another dogmatic human
guardsman 2
>>568722318Human it will be. Rt has too many elves being retarded, I don't want another one
>>568722870I think so, but Eldar have a chance since location lore is tied to eldar, only accessible via webway gate + GW had new corsair releases and harlequin patrol + nee harlequin detatchements + are gonna do an exodite kill team. So there is a chance they want Eldar to be shilled.
>>568722318it'll be whatever boring shit gw will be pushing across the ip at the time
Bro doesn't look well
eldar 2
>>568721848I WILL NOT ROLEPLAYI SEE THE [ALIGNMENT] TAG AND I CLICK THE BUTTON
>>568723339what am I looking at
>>568723129The sad fact of the matter.
You guys are just shitposting about "it will be a dogmatic human" right?No way Owlcat is that retarded after seeing so many people request more xenos and the backlash they got after tech priest reveal.
who's buying the fat tech priest toy?
>>568721848NoPicking all Heretic options is trve Nietzshean ubermaxxing
>>568723816i stopped buying the dlc after void shadows since they ended up just printing more humans
>>568723734But if it wasn't a dogmatic human it would be....le heresy?
>>568723489That is roleplaying, though, you are choosing to follow your characters alignment and creed rather than allowing your own personal views to taint or twist the purity of that path. It's far more soulless to play the game based on metagaming knowledge and attempting to force "ideal" results with it.
>>568723734They don't have a choice if GW wants it. Also whatever they picked has been in development
>>568722318At this point I'd kill for an eldar instead of a human
>>568723920Nietzschean philosophy directly and fundamentally opposes Chaos as presented in 40K, though. Nurgle in particular.
>>568724012>he says about the dlc obviously centred on necrons
>>568482203Reminder
>>568724012I said toy!
>>568724058THAT'S RIGHTMY CHARACTER SAW THE ALIGNMENT BAR AND KNOWS THEY'D ONLY BLINDLY PICK OPTIONS FOR THEIR ALIGNMENT EVER
>>568723734>No way Owlcat is that retardedIt's the only explanation why Solomorne exists.
>>568724418>centred on necronsYou just fight mobs them, and maybe get to say 'hello, fuck you to Trazyn' after miraculously killing one of his body doubles. All the word count content goes into the fat tech priest.
>>568724919>singles out Solobore but not his waifu Kebab
>black cophaha, i get it because they break the law irleven gave him a roboshitbull
>>568725031Given the lack of marketing around the fatmech and the focus on trazyn I kinda doubt it unless he's super tied into the necron stuff
>>568725063If you're that bent out of shape about her sure. But Solomorne is the doubling down of that mistake.>Original cast is largely dogmatic humans>1st DLC is a dogmatic human>2nd DLC is... a dogmatic human again
>>568725337i mean trazyn is a well known character
owlcat should have given us an alien girl to smooch
>>568725337Omfg, Anon. From a marketing perspective of course they will spam Trazyn's face in every post or trailer. Everyone knows about him and not about Fat Tech Priest nr. 3000.
>>568725258it's a MASTIFF
I still like Lex for the pets!
>>568725706Do we look like Vistenza? They're all the fucking same.
>>568702498>What do you think of romances spanning several games?Ok, but only if all games are good.
>>568703170Lol, check out this hairy ape seething at baldchads
>>568721848Right. Mindlessly picking the same alignment every time has several traps that backfire. I actually like that owlcat did this.An iconoclast person should still nuke Rykad Minoris, and an inconoclast person should (spoiler) deny the genestealers the request to have their unarmed family be spared. These both have major downsides.Mostly dogma with a few iconoclast things when it comes to just the treatment of your loyal citizens, and mostly iconoclast with a few dogmatic things when it comes to sparing enemies who will take advantage of your mercy is generally the two courses that feel best.
>>568726217
>>568723816Toy? The dlc you mean?
If I wanted to use two weapon fighting for a ranger in wrath (sable company marine or demon slayer) what would my best options be?
>>568725620I'll bet you my DH beta key that fatgunn is going to be a cardboard cutout like solobore who wants to shove necron tech into his fatorb and only exists because they promised a companion
>>568726429the figures, the only thing GW truly cares about!
>>568724623The alignment bar is just a representation of the conviction and outlook your character has. It makes no sense to suddenly change the convictions that your character supposedly has just because it has "bad" results, which you only know about as a player, with your meta knowledge, to begin with. Why wouldn't an Iconoclast character save everyone they can save on a doomed planet? The whole point of roleplaying a character like that is they value the individual lives in front of them more than the larger group to begin with. Every time I see people talking about how they change their playthroughs it's always due to meta knowledge and trying to game the "best" results, which is not really roleplaying at all.
If GW can be obsessed with their dollies, why can't I?
>>568727151You can be actually
>>568722318The DLC 4 companion will be either a Warrior or Operative, since we already have a DLC Soldier (Solomorne) and Officer (Eogunn). Leaning Warrior, since Eogunn will likely scale Officer abilities with Int instead of Fel. It'll be female, to keep the gender ratio of companions 50/50. The companion is seemingly native to the Procession of the Damned since they are "someone shaped by this impossible place", and being a member of Wrath's Carrion fits best for that. So a female human warrior that is a descendant from Wrath Umboldt's crew, maybe even being a relative to him like you were to Theodora. That's my guess.
>>568727151their dollies aren't for sex, its for paypigging
>>568726217So you're not picking the decisions based on what your character would actually do based on the personality you constructed for them, but are instead basing your decisions on metagaming knowledge of what results in the supposedly best outcome? I mean, that is the exact opposite of roleplaying.
>Heeheeheehee!!!!! *gasps, eyes wide*>Lord Captain. >y-yess…???!>Lord Captain, the governor wishes to speak with the Rogue Trader about the->NO!!!???!!!>Lord Captain…?>oohhh… *heavy breathing* uggghhh….>Lord Captain. Lord Captain!>Mmm..? Will you STOP- *pushes papers off desk* UGHHH!>Lord CAPTAIN!>Mmm?The governor->yes yesssss fiiine, tell him I’ll be there RIGHT away, ahaha….>He reque->SSHSHHH!!!!>…Lord->SSSHSHH!!!!! …do you hear that….???>Lord->SHUSH it’s saying something. heeheeheeeee…>Lord Captain, if you are feeling unwell, I can->unwell!!! unwell??? ooohhh I feel fiiiinne mr. seneschal just fiiiine heeeeee….>Mistress->oh but I feel so very bad. *pouts* maybe you can *arms outstretched over the desk* take care of this for meee???? *babytalking* I don’t want to->Mistress, you know the authority of my position->b-but I don’t->Mistress, please! The governor requires an audience at once! >…don’t yell at me. *shrinking away* d-don’t->*exasperated* Lord Captain, I implore you->d-don’t yell at m-me I-I… d-don’t..>*deep sigh* I will send word to the governor. The fate of this world lies in your hands. Only you->*clapping* bravoooo Mr. Prime Minister braavvoooo >*wincing* Lord C-Captain->*gasping* I don’t want to.>…>I will go.>…? Lord->Send word to the governor to expect me within the hour. Heeheehee. You will accompany me.>Understood, Lord Captain.>Hahaha. Hahaha. >I suggest you clean yourself up. Pardon me for saying so, Lord Captain, but you look positively dreadful.>Mmmmm…>*stepping back* ..I will leave you to it, Lord Captain.>uhhhmmmmm…>*startled* Lord Captain! >Mmm? What? >…Lord Captain, you->??????>…I leave you to it.
>>568727315My bet is that it will be some sort of Eldar psyker with unique spells. Since we lack "pure casters" Shapd by the place could be a harlequin or corsair obsessed with finding something in it for a long time. We already have a lot of melee and ranged and not enough "caster" psykers.
>>568727497um?
Mhm yeah
>>568727497would
>>568727315I hope not a romance if Eogunn isn't. Make more seething
>>568727497Who is saying this
>>568728020Me
Whats the most kino weapon in wotr?
>>568727808Only Pasqals Tranny will seethe
>>568727315>human warriorBut I don't wanna
>>568704598Pic sauce?
>>568728176Based
>>568726217You liked that owlkek thought to come up this contrive bug ridden conviction system? Incredible.I now have no hope it will be any better in DH.
>>568728176back to rddit to upvote your boyfriend
>>568728414He’s mentally retarded. It isn’t his fault
>>568727632I can see a new psyker companion given that DLC3's new addition is implants and DLC4 only mentions fresh gameplay mechanics as it's addition. It could mean we're getting new abilities and talents for all archetypes, including new psyker schools.But I doubt it'll be a psyker corsair, since we're getting Laarthyr who is exactly that. A clown would be cool though.
>>568714640I don't care for romance
>>568727497I thought it was Abelard trying to tardwrangle a bratty femcel trader and thought that was kinda hot
>>568723569A human.
>>568728780Could be a shadowseer or any other type of Eldar psyker running with corsairs that's not a void seer like Larry
>>568727632I do hope this is the case. We already have a bunch of melee and ranged companions that cover all the roles. A unique psyker would be refreshing.
>>568728780>A clown would be cool though.We had Nocturne cut as a companion from the final game. What makes you think we will get a new harlequin in the dlc? Plus, they don't fit the description of "someone shaped by the twisted realities of the warp ship graveyard".
>>568723734at best Trazyn will use mindshackle scarabs on him to control him, since that's Trazyn's gimmick
>>568726217>These both have major downsides.Only in lore. You never feel any of the downsides in the game, which is a shame. I'd hit the retards with a peremanent -30 to willpower for rykad. As for genestealers no immediate consequences are ok, but even the far off consequences are "well... sometime in the future their descendant maybe probably started manifesting pureblood features, haha, but don't worry about it"
>>568714640not your personal army
Anons, who have played DH beta, when you do the survey can you ask them to include an option to switch off the conviction designation in dialogues? I want to be able to choose whatever I feel fits best my character without being influenced (even subconciously) by the big fat "CLICK HERE IF YOU WANT WANT TO BE LAWFUL GOOD" sign
I will use the fat bastard
>>568727336No, and you know that's not the motivation, so posts like this feel performative. If you begin by constructing a caricature of a silly bad terrible gamer, then you should reevaluate your intention in a discussion.In both of the examples given, a reasonable person has incentive to contradict their normal alignment in order to do what makes the most sense at the time, which is good writing. A reasonable person knows that deamons having a staging ground into the galaxy is much worse than letting a few people you would like to save die. A reasonable person knows that genestealers thrive on lying and surreptitiously infecting humans, so asking you to let any of them live is a ploy and you know that, even if your iconoclast bleeding heart would normally honor an unarmed enemy surrendering. Giving the logical, correct choice alongside a trap that blows up in your face, but attaching the alignment tag to the trap is great writing, because it encourages people to stop and actually think, rather than slamming the color coded alignment option like they've been doing since Mass Effect.In some games like swtor and even the owlcat games in question, you can even literally disable the alignment tag being shown at all, which generally improves the gameplay experience for people who value roleplaying instead of just slamming alignment options.
>>568714640>ASKING FOR MORE ROMANCE CONTENTI will now do the exact opposite and ask for no romance. Thanks for reminding me
>>568726574Help I have no idea and I need to pick a weapon focus
>>568729545>Letting genestealers alive to procreateMight be the most brainless Iconoclast decision ever. Glad I didn't bough this dlc. The genestealer Dargonus event in the vanilla game all of your companions offer you various extermination options because none of them were dumb as rocks. People complain about evil playthroughs being murder hobo stupid evil, but a lot of the good paths are equally as fucking stupid with their naivety.
>Slay the dragon and get the princess genre>"NOOO YOU CANNOT DESIRE THE PRINCESS, YOU SHOULD ONLY WANT TO SLAY THE DRAGON, THERE SHOULD BE NO PRINCESSES TO SMOOCH"Why are some posters like this
honestly I don't like the idea of alignment trackingbesides, I'm beyond alignment
>>568730037
>>568729918At least in DH's case the alignments are actual ideological factions in the setting and not just vague statements about your character that mean nothing
>>568730037>A reasonable personAnyone following the Iconoclast path in any way, shape or form in the 40K setting is, by definition, not a reasonable person whatsoever.
>>568730405Alright at this point it doesn't even look like Minthara anymoreShe is a bit manjawed but not like this
>>568730586literally tom holland thoughbeit
>>568730269>Glad I didn't bough this dlcYou can kill them all if you want. The DLC is very good, I recommend it and the next one
>>568727336Nuking rykard minoris is something even an iconoclast would considerIconoclast just means you are not a strict follower of the imperial dogma, it doesn't mean you HAVE to ALWAYS be a bleeding heart. There are times for mercy and times for being practical.My icono 5 character nuked rykard minoris and killed the genestealers without knowing the consequences of either.
>>568727632eogunn will be our new "caster" companion
>>568730269>he genestealer Dargonus event in the vanilla game all of your companions offer you various extermination options because none of them were dumb as rocks.My biggest complaint about the DLC is that if you're retarded enough to let the genestealers leave, Heinrix and Ulfar, if they're still with you, should not allow them to procreate. Even if they don't do anything immideately they know where you've dropped the survivors off, so they should pay them a visit and just nuke the planet after the game is finished. So the ending slide should be "The survivors of the genestealer cult mysteriously disappeared after the visit from a local Inquisitor's ship"
>>568730756>if you wantNo thanks. I will buy them whenever Owlcat gets better at writing them.
>>568730269>Glad I didn't bough this dlcYou can... not click the choice?Killing them is not even a dogma choice I think, it's neutral.
>autistically arguing about RT's alignments againyawn boring where have you been
Iconoclast implies that your rogue trader is a good person just in the wrong setting which is laughable like who roleplays this farce
>>568730549I would still prefer to play without it. I'm not asking for them to be removed, just to include the option to hide them for those who want it
>>568731124Owlkek dev, you can stop the shilling. I don't think you're paid enough to sink this low.
>>568731147Californian redditors and other roasties
anons really do click every single option that connects to their alignments lol
>being a good person makes you a commie californianmindbroken
>>568731561you get more rewards for maxxing it out
>>568730269It's kinda hilarious how genuinely offended imperiumfags get over icono choices even being an optionActually politically indoctrinated by youtube videos about a fictional evil space empire
>>568731561anons really justify shit writing with his logic and Owlcat listens to them. Holy fuck.
>>568731147>Unable to comprehend thinking for yourself and doing the thing you believe is rightGrim
Lawful Good: slavery is your culture? I respect that
>>568731708post 3 examples
>>568731621still doesn't mean click every single option plus that was from the dlc
>>568731561>I don't like you. Die!>*passes away from soul poison*That's just how swarm was meant to be played anon
>>568731860Everytime dogmatic proposes servitorization is a good idea.
>>568731897I will never play swarm because of swarmfag
>>568731621You can max out even while branching, the game is literally made with the idea the player will be flexible in his behavior.
>>568731561Autists actually can't comprehend that alignments are meant to be more vague archetypes. They can't imagine why it's based on increments and that a character might have varied or even contradictory views.
>>568731639>genuinely offended imperiumfags get over icono choicesI'm not a dogmatard, I just dislike this type of shit writing. Brainless Iconoclast options just make the Imperium's evil and needlessly cruel decisions feel justified. Good for Owlcat if they wanted to portray it like that since it seems intentional. Doesn't mean I have to eat this shit up.
>>568732096you say this but nearly everyone had a hard time maxxing out heretical
>>568732096This is such a meme, in practice when you commit to a conviction the game immediately acts like if the others don't exist, to the point that it even determines your ending regardless of your actual choices
>>568732116yeah how unfortunate
why can't you marry cassia in a good endit's either loveless marriage, marriage to another fish, or you just decide to stick together
>>568732096>>568732196hell, i had to make a fucking guide on this
>>568730786Let's be real here. You did not actually want to roleplay out the character you created, who operates on emotion and empathy, when it would create an inconvenient or difficult result. You are not playing an actual character at that point, you are just using your own knowledge as a player and your understanding of the setting to make your decisions on a metanarrative level, which is the exact opposite of fully stepping into the role of the character you created. I actually think CRPGs that create alignment or conviction systems should hard code them from character creation, that you should play a character whose decisions are actually guided by the choices you made at character creation, so that people fully embrace their character rather than doing what like 90% of CRPG players actually do, which is just make every choice based on what gets the "best" results. There should be gains and advantages to choosing an alignment, but there should be consequences and pitfalls, too.An Iconoclast character SHOULD have to deal with terrible consequences from their overabundant sympathy and mercy, just as they SHOULD get benefits from the alignment such as the undying loyalty and appreciation from those under their command that understand how much they're valued and cared for. Same for every other alignment. Conviction should be a character creation choices that fundamentally alter the nature of the story and narrative that you experience if it's ever going to have actual meaning or merit. Otherwise, there's really no point to having them to begin with.
>>568732361Why do you keep asking this question when you already know the answer? Because Owlcat didn't feel like it, that's it.
>>568731708The issue with dnd alignment is that first the dm and players are asked to take a position on moral relativity or moral absolutes, and then explore the implications, for example what those moral absolutes are and why everyone on the table should agree on them. At this point to decide what it means to be lawful good you need to be an armchair philosopher.Personally, I think aligment is best viewed as a general guide: if the player can justify to me why his character would do something, and its reasonable, he can do it.But in a videogame its different, wether the player can see it or not the dev must put flags, counters, etc that keep track of general player behavior, so alignment is kind of "forced" in videogames as there can only be so many paths, actions and consequences the player can have.
They should've renamed Iconoclast to Retard and the writing for it suddenly makes sense
>>568732361Grimderp
>>568732429I listen to Heinrix and respect his counsel on the matter as he is infinitely more well versed in the warp than me.
>>568732217You are right, while you can maxx icono easily, it's true the game doesn't take it into account very well.Only the first half of my post is true for icono and dogma but apparently not heretical >>568732196So I guess I'm only 1/4 correct, I retire what I saidYou can maxx Icono even while being a bit dogmatic or neutral and vice versa, that's it.
>>568732732>maxx icono easilyIn what world. Lmao, there were people forced to romance fucking Marazhai for 30 points. Dogmatic is easily filled up if you donate 3 companions to Heinrix.
>>568732429>An Iconoclast character SHOULD have to deal with terrible consequences from their overabundant sympathy and mercyYou are wrong at your very assumption that being capable of mercy automatically means being a robot that dispenses good and candies.According to you, you can only roleplay icono one way, dogmatic one way, and heretical one way. According to you, only 3 personalities exist in the whole universe.That's not how it is though, there are varying shades in all of themI roleplayed a character that, scared of having a daemon world close to his domain, which would bring suffering to millions, decide to blow it up.He felt regret over it, because he was a good person and didn't want people to die, but understood it was the only way.>You are not playing an actual character at that pointHow my character thinks is not for you to decide.
>>568732671>I listen to Adolf Hitler as he is infinitely more well versed in the ways of jews than me
I played Azata and the Azata/chaotic good option was to let Minagho go reunite with her gf but after seeing everything she did in game I went nah and killed her. Its that easy anons.
>>568730094Well I'll just go scimitars I guess
>I actually initially fell for her spirit shenanigansSo this is the power of slavic IQ?
>>568733074Yes?
>>568733074Now this Anon gets it.
>>568732984>In what world. Lmao, there were people forced to romance fucking Marazhai for 30 points.I didn't and maxxed it out in act 4 while also having level 2 dogma and heretical.I haven't played heretical but if this is your opinion on icono, I can only assume you were lying about heretical being impossible to fill either, because it was so comically easy to fill iconoclast while also blowing up Rykard and killing the genestealers, you must have played another fucking game entirely.
>>568733074Yes
twinblade or claws?
>>568733074Pretty much
Let's talk about The Blade
>>568732984They did buff alignment gain at some pointLaunch RT was a lot more of a ride or die situation
>>568732570Is there ever any point where the Iconoclast point of view actually seems logical or intelligent given the nature of the setting? I genuinely can't think of a single time that's the case. I really do not get why the alignment is even in the game, it should have been a flat Dogmatic-Heresy spread, which would also have given Heresy some real meat and content to its path, instead of the bare bones, garbage joke that it is.
How I feel playing only centrist in RT
>>568733139She is very convincing, is she not?
>>568732429I've been thinking this same way, just thought about defining character traits at character creation. So your cruel character will act cruelCrusader Kings 2 had this already, but didn't really enforce it hard enough. Apparently it's one thing CK3 fixes and punishes you for breaking your role.
>>568733220>I can only assume you were lying about heretical being impossible to fill eitherDid this talk got under your skin that you started throwing accusations or ...? That was not me who said that. Kindly take a chill pill.
>>568733139I'm a slav but I killed her and Wendu on my first playthrough which was lawful goodie two shoes angel. They were unrepentant murderers that don't give a good character compelling reasons to let them live as a good character, spared Wendu at first even, but then she went on to do more evil later and killed her.
>>568733478The great majority of ship and colony decisions are simply better for iconoclast even from a purely cold and pragmatic povEither you people didn't play the game, or you didn't read the options and are just shitposting
>>568733049Alright, simple question: at what point in your playthrough did you make a decision for your character that had or has bad consequences in the game, because that is what your character would do?
>>568733646Quiet everyone, the Owlkek dev is talking.
>>568733478>actually seems logical or intelligent given the nature of the setting?How retarded do you have to be to just think these are the only options? The setting hammers home how inhumane the imperium treats humans, so you trying to do good doesn't always mean you'll be aligned. A simple example is feeding your subjects better, it's not dogmatic, Abelard will scold you for doing so but doing it is in the interest of your people. That's markedly iconoclast and definitely not dogmatic. Unless you want to brand that as heretical.
>>568733594>Did this talk got under your skinI don't see why, I am simply stating that if I'm told Icono is impossible to max right after I'm told Heretical is impossible to max, and knowing the first is an actual straight up lie, I will assume the second one was probably a lie as well.
is it a dogmatard mad that people don't play the game the way he likes
>>568733074>anon tries to be sarcastic>starts spewing redpillsMany such cases
>>568732429That's not how it works. That anon JUST reminded you that Iconoclast is not just a bleeding heart, it's thinking for yourself and trying to get people to cooperate even if it disobeys imperial dogma. You can think for yourself and still be cruel or ruthless. Or in his case, logical. You responded to a post that contained a reminder that Iconoclast is not just a bleeding heart to write multiple paragraphs justifying just clicking on the alignment button because of your mistaken impression that iconoclast "operates on emotion".
>>568733220Keep in mind that current RT, especially with the expansions, is far different in how easy it is to get conviction points in general than it was on release. Owlcat even released a patch specifically buffing conviction gains across the board AND giving additional options to gain convictions because, on release, you pretty much had to 100% hit every single available dialogue option without fail to get to level 5 by the end of the game in ANY conviction.
>>568733686My character got scared at the beginning and picked heretical because he hoped he would survive the fire, and had to deal with the voices in his head later, and the blade.He only ended up getting rid of the blade MUCH later, because he was then scared of the inquisition finding out about itIt's why I got a bunch of heretical points.
>>568733139No, he's just retarded. As expected from a paid shill
I am the goodest goody two shoes there ever was but I will ALWAYS make exceptions if it means I can COOM inside a woman, then I will do the most evil thing imaginable.
>>568733780You're autistic, paranoid and got somehow insulted over someone else's negative game experience. Got it.
>>568733505Yeah your character gains massive stress points (which if stacked handicap and then outright kill you) in CK3 if you start taking decisions that directly contradict your characters traits. Ironic that a map painter has better RPG mechanics than actual CRPGs.
>>568734062I didn't feel insulted, I simply mistrust anons when I'm being given information which doesn't match.You're making a big deal out of nothing
>>568732429>I actually think CRPGs that create alignment or conviction systems should hard code them from character creation, that you should play a character whose decisions are actually guided by the choices you made at character creationThe scary part is that your post is too elaborate for it to be dismissed as trolling. The shit you read here...
Shoutout to the time when my Iconoclast reflection in act 5 didn't have pants on
>>568733074Where's the lie??!?
Once again I implore you to go back to talking about bidets
>>568734023
>>568734259iconoclasst things
>>568733865Iconoclast flat out DOES operate on emotion, though, that is the consistent theme of its choices throughout the game, treating other people, even xenos, with empathic concern and compassion, and valuing individual well being over the good of the whole.
Anons are really arguing that if a game has 3 alignments you should only be allowed to play 3 characters with 3 personalities, and it should be hardcoded and forced on youInsane, please never play tabletop.
>>568734259She was busy getting plowed, like Iconoclasts do.
>>568734259Too much secks
>>568734259>Abelard, take care of my shidded pants so the enemy doesn't smell me coming
>>568734370Being empathethic doesn't mean you ALWAYS have to be a pushoever. You can believe in the good in people and still try to stop the genestealers... before they massacre the people you care for.It would be retarded to be locked by the game to let the genestealers live, fully knowing how dangerous they are.
>>568734307That was kino and I remember it fondly
>>568734370And that's stupid really, treating people or xenos better so you can leverage and manipulate them should've been an option but no, you gotta be a monkey about it. Alignments are such a fucking mess.
I'm gonna fill out the survey even though I haven't played teh beta
>>568734023>Lawful good angel: I WILL PURGE ALL EVIL!!!>Camelia: Even me?>Lawful good angel: Oh, uh...no....not youWhy are you like this?
>>568734382>AnonsIt's literally just one crazy guy
So where does the power of the Iconoclast even come from? Did they just believe so fucking hard in being good (which would require quite the intense belief given the setting) that they were able to manifest SOMETHING within the warp and draw power from it?Obviously Dogmatic draws it from the faith in the Emperor (could argue that the Emperor is personally blessing you) and Heretic from Chaos.
>>568734686elven trickery
>>568734727>Obviously Dogmatic draws it from the faith in the EmperorLole.
>>568734686did you just beg for female eldars
>>568733941Surely you jest. I ask you to point out decisions you made in your playthrough that have negative consequences and you give me yet more examples of you making results based choices, you choosing the Heretical option at the start of the game nets you the most gear and the best outcome early on, the voices can also happen on the Iconoclast path if you simply resist Voigtvir in the vault section, so that's not a "negative consequence". Legitimately what decision did you make knowing it would have bad results for you, your crew, your planets, whatever, because that choice is what your character would do? You are not roleplaying. You are making choices based on the in game results and then justifying those with rationalizations afterwards, making the character and your mental narrative fit into the actual criteria you're using to make your decisions, which is results based meta and game knowledge.
>>568734727What power?
>>568734703Maybe you play by batman rules but I play by punisher rules, Camellia killed well more cultists/demons than innocents so she gets a pass
>>568734703Because Camellia pleases my cock
>>568734727if you mean the beginning choice about walking through fire Iconoclast literally just turns around and walks the other wayall the other stuff is relying on NOMOS and healthy doses of the power of friendship as a crutch like every other rogue alignment
>>568734382nah it's just one guy, who also doesn't understand the main point of iconoclast and is doubling down even after multiple people have tried to help him
>>568734727from the indomitable human spirit duh
>>568734947not crpg
>>568734810Yes. I asked for a female eldar companion that is only interested in other male companions but never in (you)
>>568734727>So where does the power of the Iconoclast even come from?The power of brain damage.
>>568734889>utilitarianism the post
>>568735005Yrliet
>>568734727iconoclast never manifests any supernatural powers tf you talking about?
>>568734727your rogue trader is a latent psyker, given how they can have a psychic awakening later on. the conviction abilities are just different ways its manifesting.
>>568734813>nets you the most gear and the best outcome early onI have no idea about that, I don't read guides of the games I play. Storywise, it felt like a bad decision my character made on impulse.>Legitimately what decision did you make knowing it would have bad results for you, your crew, your planets, whatever, because that choice is what your character would do? I just told you, and your reply was "muh loot"> You are making choices based on the in game results But I'm not lol, you are completely projecting, I have no idea which decisions give you loot, I played the game ONCE, I genuinely would have no way of knowing and on a second run I wouldn't even remember.
>>568734947She pleased me real good. Not enough to not send the tranny to kill her though
>>568735159No, I want her to be sexually attracted to them, but not to you. I want her to have carnal relationship with Touma. Also, hopefully not as ugly as yrliet
>>568734806You literally see it happening in the game. Going through the fire while praying cleanses you from demonic possession. It protects you in Commorragh and when Rizza attacks you.
>>568734382I simply want alignment systems that actually enforce negative feedback and difficult consequences for having a certain kind of character. I really would like to see a game where having a certain type of character puts you in a very difficult position compared to another character in that same situation, because of their inherent differences in outlook and the choices they would make. Having this kind of alignment system sounds far more compelling and interesting than the skin deep systems that currently exist that don't really fundamentally change anything about a given playthrough or alter the narrative in any significant, meaningful fashion, because they can't due to the fact that a player can shift out of character at any point. So why even have alignment systems to begin with? Either alignment systems should be a hardcoded, character creation choice that gives you a unique narrative experience on a playthrough, or they should just be abandoned together. The current version being implemented by CRPG developers is just the worst of both worlds, you don't get the narrative depth of a real alignment system that alters the way your character interacts with the world, nor do you get the true roleplaying and narrative freedom that an alignment free system would offer.
I actually think CRPGs that create gender or body types systems should hard code them from character creation, that you should play a character whose decisions are actually guided by the choices you made at character creation, so that people fully embrace their character rather than doing what like 90% of CRPG players actually do, which is just make every choice based on what gets the "best" results. For example, if you select a female elf at character creation, everyone should want to fuck you.
Why would you ever not be a psyker (ignoring gameplay benefits/mechanics) if you're a Inquisitor or RT? Nobody can fuck with you and you have immense wealth and can live for many centuries with biomancy. You're just nerfing yourself by being anything else.
I rather argue about Oghren than this
>>568734961>if you mean the beginning choice about walking through fire Iconoclast literally just turns around and walks the other wayOkay. Where does the demon from Iconoclast go then? It never gets brought up. Almost like the devs forgot about it on the retard path.
>>568735524can't fuck disco as a psyker
>>568735186>On a second run I wouldn't even rememberIconoclast player not shaking the stereotype of being a brainless idiot example #46235.
>>568735524because you weren't born a psykeryou are or you aren't it isn't generally a choiceyou could become a sorceror but then tzeentch will prank you nonstop and turn you autistic
>>568735463>for having a certain kind of characterYour premise is already wrong.Regill and Kaenerah are both Lawful EvilBut they are two COMPLETELY different certain kinds of character.You cannot assume the player is playing "a certain kind of character" because of how you, personally, interpret the alignment. Imagine playing Kaenerah and being forced to be like Regill. It makes no sense, it wouldn't even be roleplaying because the game is acting in your stead.
There are only 9 personalities in the world, 8 if you exclude true neutral which is a copout
what will the DH autism alignments arguments be like this? I can't remember any of their names
>>568735564the daemon is the swordit only sticks around if you keep the shardsyou can ignore them or give them away
>>568735564>Okay. Where does the demon from Iconoclast go then?What, no, they do address it. Dogmatic purges it with fire while the Iconoclast is stuck with it until you get that warp jump scene where you have to mentally fight it off and defeat it or submit.
>>568735524>have to constantly listen to the background ambience of tzeentch scratching his plan chalkboards while nurgle shits himself for the 5000000th timepsykery is a horrible existenceit's like tinnitus but refined for madness
>>568735492Why do you assume that female Elves are automatically the most sexually appealing option available? Stop using pornography as the basis for your understanding of fantasy settings and races.
>>568735634Anon why the fuck would I remember what +2 boots I found in a chest in act 1 in a videogame a year agoWhat are we even doing? You are stupid because you don't have an excel spreadsheet of every single item of the game you find as you play accompanied by how you got it?
>>568735871silence, round ears
>>568735871The only canonical deception of elves is Tolkien.
>>568735776All 5 neutral options are a copout as you are picking choices of different thingsOnly 4 personalities exist, LG, LE, CG, and CE>muh I want to pick good some times and evil sometimes>muh I want to pick lawful some times and chaotic sometimesYou are NOT roleplaying.
>>568735807>the daemon is the swordThe dagger Kunrad stabs you with in the prologue implants a demon inside of you. Where the fuck does it go when you're Iconoclast. It never gets brought up. Are you going to tell me it "chills on your shoulder until it eventually decides to self-exorcise itself"?
>>568735871Sera Dragon Age...
>>568736147lil demon bro realizes youre a faggy iconotard and bails
>>568735684To add to this, the reason why this works in CK3 is because you don't have 9 alignments, you have TRAITS, which can be COMBINEDYou can be brave and sadistic, but also cowardly and sadistic.You can be smart and generous, smart and evil, smart and greedy but also cowardly and eccentricYou can mix and match these traits so you get actual personalities, which means now you CAN enforce some restrictions.You can't do that in a game with 3 fucking alingments, or even 9.
>>568735684That's because the D&D alignment system is a complete joke and why no one can agree on what any of it means, the Batman example comes to mind where you can easily argue, depending on certain comics, that he is any ONE of the 9 alignments, because that is how ill defined and broad the definitions are for D&D alignments. Conviction paths like the ones in RT or Mass Effect are a much better idea for hard coded paths that fundamentally change a playthrough, things should go completely differently depending on the type of character you're choosing to play and the narrative should majorly shift depending on which you choose, which would massively add to replayability in these games, and also allow for a structure that the writers can actually create compelling, different scenarios in. Either that, or, again, just get rid of alignment systems altogether if they're going to be so shoddily implemented. They don't add depth or variety to the game the way they currently exist, in fact they strip it away.
>>568736091>deception
>>568736296The fact that people not only accept but shill for this shit non-writing appalls me. Do you truly don't believe you deserve better?
>>568736091>Canonical deception of ElvesTrue, Saurons deceit that led to their ruin is the only time I can think of in fantasy fiction where Elves were well and truly rused.
>>568736147Owlkeks... forgot...
DLC 4 VILL be a xeno companionYou may dislike Owlcat but they won't let you down it the end when it counts!
>>568736704ork right
>>568736704I don't care if it's another elf
>>568736704>You may dislike OwlcatI don't, I bought the game + 2 dlcs alreadyI can disagree with some of their choices or offer criticism but I've never not enjoyed a game of theirs
>>568736704Who said it's only 1 companion per DLC? ;)
>>568736704I don't care, I just want more vanilla companions content
>>568735898>Anon why would I have a functional memoryAs I just said, you clearly do not and would not, which fully explains your choice of alignment in RT.
>Reddit hates Saro because he’s religious and kind
>>568736963What's Pasqal's troonster's opinion on Saro?
>>568736963K, keep us posted
>>568736905Answer fastWhat is the item number 234 you can get in rogue trader as loot in a container.I expect a reply in the next 3 minutes
>>568736963me too
That's a lot of kots..
>>568737243It's a cat temple. Not enough.
>>568736404>Conviction paths like the ones in RT or Mass Effect are a much better idea for hard coded paths that fundamentally change a playthrough>or MEyou are once again reducing the MC to as many options as there are available, which means there is only Renegade Shep and Paragon Shep, that's it
scary...
>>568737158You know this is a non sequitur in a way but it really amazes me how much better the Baldurs Gate games itemization is than virtually every game before and since. I still remember where to get Varscona, I still remember Spiders Bane location, I still remember where Celestial Fury was, etc. I can pretty much remember every major items location and the item itself. Why was that game series so much better at creating memorable loot than every other CRPG ever made?
>>568736963i've been in a few generals and this one is the most obsessed with redditors. how horrible
>>568737591Quality over quantity
>>568737456>Witcher 2 gets poached for equipment againMany such cases
>>568736704if its going to be another eldar, i'd rather get another human instead
>>568737360And? Having 2-3-4 deep, completely different narratives available on a playthrough would be a lot more interesting than having bare bones, skin deep "alignments" that actually do nothing and change nothing about the way you play or interact with the game. Again, if you're going to do alignment systems make them impactful and significant to the narrative, or just get rid of theme entirely. There's no value in them, and in fact I would argue they are outright detrimental to the way CRPGs are made as implemented the way they are currently.
>>568737718Her outfit is just that good
>>568737661The reason is simple. Owlcat posts most of their news there so it’s forced engagement.
>>568737903>owlcat news yet you read unrelated posts from there all the time?
>>568738147Legitimately looks like she’s sitting on the toilet from the thumbnail
>>568737875That's what I said. I don't know how a eastern slav studio managed to create more attractive and iconic equipment than all other western studios combined
I'm just waiting for the romance confirmations so that we can see people seethe. Either Aspyce or Hypatia are going to be straight and either one will cause tranny meltdowns.
>>568738147POV: you're some random Drezen citizen
>>568738290Cool but I still don't care what 3 reddiors say about it. People seethed about Viconia being straight back in the early 2000s
Some people are interested in the romance confirmation to know who they will smooch, other people are interested in the romance confirmation so they can read what trannies think about it
Any crpg with double scythes?
I did the survey. I'm sorry to say, but I'm a retard who forgot to ask for no more escort quests
>>568738405Faggots were a joke back then but now they’re taken seriously
>>568738512https://www.gibberlings3.net/forums/topic/513-the-original-viconia-relationship-thread/this is from 2004. They cried about Morrigan back in 2009 too, this is how I know you redditfags are zoomers. You act like Rddit invented this shit
>>568736832yes yes I know you're larping
>>568738405>People seethed about Viconia being straight back in the early 2000sLike two or three people on some obscure forum going back and forth and even then other users were disregarding them. Now it's a sizable group that does this. Just look at Mass Effect. The new fans that the Legendary edition brought in literally seethe every week about Jack or Tali not being available for Femshep.
>>568738680I didn’t ask for a source. I was making a blanket statement.
>only reason he cares about the romances is to laugh at paslqas toasterjust when waifufags could't get any worse!
>>568734436did leddit hate tristian?
>>568739141yeah, he's a traitor who doesn't have the pussy pass shield like Yrlikek or Wendog
>>568739048Okay zoomer they definitely weren't complaining about that when me2 was new. Nope no one made a same sex mod when ME2 was new
>>568738147I almost sprained my ankle, again, for opening this while walking. I blame Camellia
>>568739306Sperging out and calling everyone zoomers every post makes me think you're one yourself. The point I was making you fucking retard was that even though back then there were people crying about straight characters they were a minority. Now it's mainstream especially after the success of BG3.
>>568739690Please learn how fandoms operate zoom zoom. This is from a Tali gamefaqs (lo) thread
>MINDBROKEN by "Kungfu_Kenobi" for 16 YEARSJesus fucking christ
>>568739847this but with pasqals toilet bowl
>I can't wait to see redditor/tranny meltdowns about romances' gender preferencesWhat mental illness is this
>>568739762>>568739847>>568739910>>568739912lmao
>>568739912Fat and retarded
>>568739912being terminally online and wanting to feel like a victim
>>568739762>gender preference goes out of the window when dealing with aliens who have the exact same notion of genderIs this guy retarded?
I liked how rogue trader had a little of the grandeur and mystique of the imperium Does dark heresy have that or is it just a gritty grimdark story?
>>568740360>is KUNGFU_KENOBI from gamefaqs not the arbiter of truth!?Maybe
Cassia loves only men (me) and she reads about lesbians only in books and considers them cringe
>>568740360No but you definitely are. What passes as logic nowadays is honestly depressing. Kill yourself
Aspyce lesbianed aristocratically across the room, her soft-femdom vibes engulfing the acolyte's petite and emotionally vulnerable frame
>>568740360Those kinds of people usually are. Whether it's 2004, 2010 or 2026, they're always the same.
Hypatia and Touma? Straight
>>568740419You're working an actual job instead of being a pseudo-noble so it's more boots on the ground. Torturing old men and threatening people who don't know how to read and who are dying at the ripe old age of 20. Dealing with man-eating gangs and whatnot.
>>568740498You seem to get very defensive over retards crying about how they deserve to romance straight characters. Touch a nerve maybe?
>>568734727If you ask people nicely they might actually do what you need if it's in your mutual interest.101 things Imperium doesn't tell you about.
>>568740802>I AM A VICTIM
The final DLC companion will be FEMALE drukhari, trust the plan
>>568741006Can't wait to get cucked by her
>can't dodge or parry>can't use charge and endure on the same turn>basic bitch las weapons melt through your armor>melee weapons have shit accuracy Warrior feels so fucking bad in DH holy shit
>>568736832>>568738742Not far fetched, Owlkek prepared a human, saw backlash for admech dude, since DLC is mostly developed they add a second Eldar companion and delay the DLC then announce the surprise addition
>>568741186the dlc has been in development for a year at least, they can't just change course of direction
>>568741006>Marzipan but genderswappednobody wants this
>>568741326Literally everyone wants this.
>>568741405lolkeep telling yourself that
>>568741405just got off a call with the arbiter of everything and he confirmed to me that nobody wants this
Player: I get down in sweaty all-male rumpuses. I’m gay. A faggot.Companion(playersexual): That’s great [PLAYER]! [GENERIC DIALOGUE]. Let’s watch the stars together.Player: (Charisma) You read my mind.
Epione is CUTE
>>568741186>Not farfetched>Hard changing on a plan for a DLC in a game that people won't likely play because you would've already released its sequel by thenSure.
People hated how in da2 all the companions were playersexual so DAI brought back seuxalites and people hated that. you can't win with romancetards
>>568741762people hated DA2 and DAI because they were shit games homie
Ok anons how would you feel about Saro x Eldar woman
>>568741762>and people hated thatlmao nobody cared aside from troons who wanted Cassandra as a Fem Inquistor.
>season 1, kibellah gets 70% of the romance budget, solomorne 30%>seaosn 2, eogunn gets ZERO% of the romance budget, dlc4-chan gets 100%!waifufrens gonna eat good
>>568741326Everyone loved Camellia tho
>>568741882again you need to stop reading reddit, I was there.
>>568741939Cam is like the perfect proof that nobody wants this, you can cope all you want but we both know the truthnow, of course, if the deldar girl was fixable that would be another thing entirely, but Marazhai with a vagina? flop
>>568742095Cam is beloved, however
>>568741880Isn't he super religious, he would hate that
blue
>>568741762Hey, something I actually remember!Yeah, this happened. I found it odd. I mean I get it, you "miss out" on a romance with that, but I find that it adds to the character.
>>568741326I want this
>>568742238He is a cordial dogmachud, he tries to preach to larry to accept Emps. And they have some funny talks together where Larry offers to teach him meditation, seem like strained buddies
>>568741939The only time I used her after the intro was the brief period between woljif disappearing and recruiting arue. I killed that bitch without a second thought once given the choice.
>>568740613Touma is edgier Jimmy. I think he might be bisexual because bisexual is edgier than being straight
Bros I haven't played the beta, so can one you helpfully inform me on which Dark Heresy girls seems most likely to give rimjobs?
>>568741939hello I'm Everyone
>>568742451your female main character
>>568741637I hope you can set them up if they're not together yet. They seem comfortable with each other
>>568742451None of them are asian so none.
>>568742257Can't self insert that way.Besides Cass, fags did want Cullen and despite Sera being a greasy gremlin, some men did want to fuck her.
>>568742451Chorda gives rimjobs to other men while you watchDiscordance rims dogsRa'akhti eats ass, literallyAnd Hypatia gives rimjobs. With a mechadendrite
>>568741186>since DLC is mostly developed I'd be surprised if it's even halfway done at this point. Most of their staff got transferred to DH, Expanse, and that unannounced secret project they mentioned in an interview a few days ago.>delay the DLCThat's a given. >add a second companionNo.
Prerendered Isometric tends to look more sovlful than realtime 3D. Can you show an example where realtime 3D out sovls prerendered Isometric?
The thing that makes "most people" happy is everyone being playersexual. No limits at all means no one is left out and Timmy and Susan can play with all the dollies in sandbox. This is why most games are going this route, it factually makes the highest number of people have less friction.However, from a writing standpoint, it does lose something. A person's sexuality is an aspect of their personhood, and is a way to write more about the character. A character who is gay can talk about that, a character who is straight can talk about having kids, etc. If your characters are all playersexual, then you can't talk about childbirth. Morrigan's entire questline suddenly doesn't make sense if she's playersexual. Miranda's backstory is that she has tons of sex to try to overcome being infertile, it's part of her character. Dorian is a well written character with an interesting story to tell about being gay, but it's not his entire personhood. These are unique or interesting tidbits about the character that are lost when everyone is playersexual.You even get instances where a character seems to change because they're playersexual. Gale banged Mystra, Gale flirts with Shadowheart when they meet, and Gale desires a traditional marriage in Waterdeep where you meet his mom and his cat. Yet they also had to write him as playersexual, so he suddenly also likes men, even though he's only dated women, flirts with women but no other men, and his companion questline is about whether he still loves his ex-gf.So generally speaking, characters with set sexualities is theoretically "better" from a writing standpoint, but it's more friction among videogame players. Making everyone playersexual loses an aspect of character writing to replace it with a videogamey contrivance, but nobody is going to rant on your forums about being locked out a romance. It's a case of the more popular options and the easier option being the worse one from an artistic standpoint, but it is what it is.
>>568742718>that unannounced secret project they mentioned in an interview a few days ago.linkerino?
>>568742257Because you're seeing two different camps. Making romances playersexual or just everyone is now bisexual "cheapens" it since they have to fit the experience for both. Giving them restrictions means Elana or John can't fuck some of the characters that they want to.
>>568742673I just romanced Darren and the Iron bull, last I recall. Mostly because they were the more entertaining characters and I wanted to know more. Iron bull's romance especially is cool with the whole killing a dragon thing. If cassandra had a romance I don't remember it, same about the black woman.
>>568742769
>>568741880What about saro x Radical mommy femqusitor
>>568742434That sounds nice. Better than them insulting each other the whole time
>>568742827I just accept them not being interested in me desu, or I'd play as a woman to see the romance I can't access (I don't care enough to actually do it though)
It is evident that men who beg for rimjobs are repressed fags. Men should only give rimjobs, and never receive them.
>>568742769>words words words>that imageI’m sorry about your mother
>>568743043>Men should only give rimjobsFaggot
>>568743043>Men should only give rimjobsway gayer than receiving one imo
You give Asypce the rimjob. The Lord Captain demands it.
I wanted to fuck Sera and was sad I couldn't, but her turning down of me was alright, I didn't mind her saying no thanks. I don't remember if I played a woman to see her romance, I think I did for a bit then dropped the playthrough.>>568743043CHVDNVKE
>>568741880I just want Saro to be happy, if he's happy with an eldar woman then i will bless that union
Sucking genitals, or an asshole, is humiliating. That's why only women should do it.
>>568742849>Bullicky!
>>568743260>y-yeah haha it's s-so humiliating for you to FUCK my MALE ASSHOLE with your tongue haha it's so straight...
>>568743043I remember once giving a Thai hooker a deep French kiss and remembered midkiss she probably had her tongue buried up some old guys ass an hour ago
>>568743336His romance is cute, it's kind of business-like because he is le spychungus but he gets soft along the way too, it's cute.
>>568743447>Kissing hookersRetard. Genuinely. Pretty sure they even have that rule themselves.
>>568743447anon...?
>>568741762Make all companions with particular sex preferenceRemove all faggotsSimple as
I will fix Touma and Saro
Why the fuck is an Aeon ok with a succubus trying to be good
>>568743043r*mj*bs are disgusting and I say this as a literal sex addict
>>568743864Retardeons follow the will of a demigod (lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo) called the Monad so who knows wtf that nigga thinks
>>568743864It isn't
>>568743087it's a good post, rude
>>568737310Think there are a bit too many already..specially since Raia keep dragging more of them around.Wonder if stuff like that really existed irl, I know Egyptians loved their kots, but I do wonder if they all gathered in cat temples like that
Alignments and Convictions were a mistake
>>568741637Aren’t we supposed to know them from before? Were they a last-minute addition to our previous warband, and our acolyte just autistically sat in some corner for the entire mission instead of talking to people? Are they autists as well and have to re-introduce themselves because it’s a new warband and therefore a new intro?>>568742786Word of warning, the interview is 3 hours long and entirely in Russian. Apparently Octavia/Regongar/Kibbles writer is working on it. The project only gets mentioned once and in passing: they’re working on it and recently had an internal presentation for a vertical slice. They tried to show off some romance bits with a female character, only to get told, “you fuckers, she’s supposed to be like a little sister to the MC, cut this shit out,” despite the romance being planned as completely sexless with barely a kiss in it. So they had to rewrite it.Don’t remember the timestamp.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujDIILc1AWE
>>568743957good post me
>>568737875Mod? Crossover?>>568738262They are just that good. CP77 also has some amazing outfits>>568743864He isn't. You are playing as the cucked Aeon/Devil schemer path instead. If you wanna go full Aeon you literally need to cuck Aru out of her character development after she become "human" in Act 5
>>568744080Nevermind stearing clear of these untermenschAt least Starrok, Nath and Valeria aren't dygenic freaks
>>568743923Rimming's increasing prevalence in the west can unironically be linked to mass immigration of people from places like China, India and Thailand where rimming is part of the standard sex routine when dudes go for a massage parlor/brothelso yeah, you blame pajeets for it kek
>>568744258I know that incel on the left wrote for wotr, but who's the thing on the right?
rimming the poltard
>>568744396Your husbando and favorite manlet's writer
>>568744080>Apparently Octavia/Regongar/Kibbles writer is working on it.Oh god, it's gonna be fucking cringe, isn't it. Thank god xe's not working on Dark Heresy at least
>>568744258>ValeriaShe's based ESL-cel
>>568744242https://www.nexusmods.com/dragonageinquisition/mods/4030
>>568743864Because the Aeon path is probably the most poorly written mythical path suffused with hypocrisy
>>568744396Nika, she wrote Daeran and Regill. She also mentioned in the interview that she initially wrote Argenta and Abelard for RT, but by the time they reached Act III she had already been transferred to the Expanse team. That might explain why their plotlines got butchered and ended up the way they did.>>568744690Not her.
>>568744596I don't think that's her. But oh well, if that's the case then I forgive her
I tried playing DAI last night and maybe it was the early game aches, maybe it was Nightmare difficulty or maybe it was the Trials that I turned on but holy shit combat is such a boring slog
>>568743923Actually rimjobs are hot because women are incredibly hot all over
>>568744719Outstandingly ugly elf
>>568744258A lot of them are like that. Mishulian has aura tho
>>568744669Just in case, he's the balding guy on the thumbnail, not the dangerhair.
>>568744807I like Nika then
>>568744831I hope you forgive her for writing azata and Seelah too
>>568744989ty ty
I liked Blackwall
>>568744860You probably turned on the level scaling shit and better AI and had the misfortune of fighting a mage shield shields and forgot to have Dispel. Those faggots take forever to kill without it.
>>568702498Wasn't Dragon Age trying to push a "unique" artstyle to its setting? I feel like this particular style is everywhere.
>>568745003guy in blue in the middle looks 1:1 like stereotypical russian kek
>>568745003Why this nigga look photoshopped in lmao
>>568744807>Nika, she wrote Daeran and Regill. She also mentioned in the interview that she initially wrote Argenta and Abelard for RT, but by the time they reached Act III she had already been transferred to the Expanse team. That might explain why their plotlines got butchered and ended up the way they did.Damn, she's good. Shame about Abelard and Argenta. I fucking hate shitspants even more now
>>568744258Isn't guy on left Arseniy Krymov or whatever, the one that tries to insert leftist shit (particularly lgbt) as much as possible
>>568745170No? Not really. If they were, then I couldn't tell. It's "generic" with how everything still tries to look realistic considering the technology.
>>568745170The tarot card style was really popular when Inquisition came out
>>568745038Meh, I don't care about wotr, it never had good writing anyway
>>568744807>that she initially wrote Argenta and Abelard for RT, but by the time they reached Act III she had already been transferred to the Expanse team. That might explain why their plotlines got butchered and ended up the way they did.Well that explains a lot lol
>>568743043I want to both give and receive them but I'm waifuless irl
>>568744807>That might explain why their plotlines got butchered and ended up the way they didDoes it explain the rest of the cast suffering from the same fate? No? Then RT just has garbage questlines
>>568745249Why does he look like putin?
>>568744807So she's not on DH then?
I could not stand Seelah. Her voice was obnoxious. Her barks were obnoxious. Her voice direction seemed to be: Screech with emphasis on random words. She was a half-baked paladin that isn't lawful enough, drinks when she should be a pillar people look to, and overlooks the misgivings of her friends and snaps at you for wanting them to not loot corpses.
>>568745690Yeah she's kind of........... lame
>>568745038The /vpol/tards that furiously jerk off Regill while shitting on Seelah would kys if they knew this
>>568745124Yeah that's basically it. I ran into the Hinterlands first thing and the only enemy I couldn't kill was a teleporting book mage whose shield refreshed on every teleport (which he spammed)Though even beyond that, the enemies are just too tanky and not much else. It feels like I'm standing there walloping them forever. If I don't have a Shatter combo up I'm just going to take twice as much time to kill any generic enemy but at the same time I'm not exactly scared of anything
Is there any point to going ranger for the pet if im going azata?does the pet get replaced by the dragon or do I get both?
>>568745796But I already know and I dont' care. What now?
>>568745878you get both
>>568745336>Arseniy KrymovYes.> the one that tries to insert leftist shit (particularly lgbt) as much as possibleNo idea. He did talk a lot about being pro-playersexuality for companions (Nika said she’s adamantly against it) and seemed strangely excited when talking about poly romances.>>568745567They suffer the most from their Act I/II quests being extremely detached from their Act IV/V quests. Grandpa’s whole big deal being ship management and tardwrangling you would’ve made a lot more sense, imo.
>>568745690we know chud. nobody likes Seelah here you aren't different
>>568745796I hate Regill too, thoughever. And Ember. And Wenduag. And Greybor. And Daeran. It was a cast of duds for me. The ones I don't hate, I didn't love either.
Any decent portrait mod for seelah?her face kinda looks like
>>568745961No, only Abelard's does. Argenta's quest continues what was established earlier, she wants to find the relic, so she finds it
>>568741006I wish. You are posting a warhammer fantasy dark elf tho, everyone in Warhammer looks fugly
>>568745991>I hate Daeran get out!
>>568745796Peculiar thing to say, they're different characters by the same writer
>>568745878The dragon is a companion, not a pet.
>>568746098>she wants to find the relic, so she finds it>Find it on some random planet>Some random chaos cultists surround it>Kill them>"Sorry Rogue Trader, you can't go inside and I have to do it alone for reason.">"What's that? Not safe? Don't worry, I'm sure I can handle it."Borderline NTR shit really, why couldn't you go inside?
>>568746171He had his chance. Killing the inquisitor because I would not kiss-ass just cemented him as a hedonistic brat. Good mechanically, I'll give you that.
>>568746358I'm not saying the questline isn't shit, as I said, most of them are. Just that it's consistent, it's only Abelard who goes for a completely different story that barely involves him
>>568746303it gets filed underneath your character like a pet would, on the portrait bar anyway
>>568745659Don't think so. Another Nika (the one who wrote Cassia, Jae, Yrliet, and Achilleas) seems to be working on it, so at the very least we're guaranteed a healthy amount of cuckposting in this thread once the game’s out.
>>568742769There is simply no reason to allow for faggotry of any kind, simply from a business standpoint. The market % actually interested in faggotry is miniscule among the market buying CRPGs, so why do such options even exist? Furthermore, since 90-95% of CRPG players are male, there is really no reason for male characters to have romance content either. If you want a game where the people who actually buy and play your game are happy, simply remove faggotry and maximize the amount of cute girls available for male PCs to romance. This is the entire reason BG2 is still considered the gold standard for romance content in a CRPG, zero faggotry, ONE utterly forgettable and pointless male romance, and 3 cute Elf blooded girls to pursue. This simple, easily followed formula has yet to be replicated, however, since CRPG develeoprs are absolute morons and idiots who don't understand the very market they are attempting to sell their products to.
>>568745796It happens more than you think, we should stop placing people at pedestals, we can always fail.Honestly, my complaints regarding Seelah is mostly due to how weirdly her model looks (It's shaped weirdly, makes it looks like she has a beer belly) and how annoying her voice is, they should have went full niggacore and brought someone with a jamaican accent, it worked for Expeditions Rome
>>568746514That's cool image.
>>568746171He's an annoying quippy redditor. I don't want to fuck him like you do so I can see him for what he is.
>>568746358>Borderline NTR shit reallyThis general has truly gone fucking insane
>>568746514>There is simply no reason to allow for faggotry of any kind, simply from a business standpointThe only reason The Sims blew up is because they shilled faggotry.
Rasz is based omfg
>>568746514do you realize that you replied to a tranny faggot?
>>568746656>Have to watch someone else enter <a ship> after being told that you can't do soMaybe anon is onto something.
>>568746612To this day the greatest tragedy of all in the CRPG genre is that no one has made a WHFB CRPG. It's a hundred times better setting than 40K is and far more suited for a CRPG game yet no one has done it. It's mind boggling.
>>568747117It'd be atrocious because of the amount of "chaos le good!" people it would create, because of having an actual chaos human faction that's not immensely mindbroken
>>568742769>A person's sexuality is an aspect of their personhoodI agree with this, but it is often an overstated one. A straight woman planning to experience motherhood one day (Miranda), or a homosexual man being unable to provide an heir and that being a source of familial tension (Dorian) are two realistic examples where this does matter. Bioware was pretty good in that regard, integrating sexuality without it coming off as token representation. At the same time, they are more exceptions to the rule, where defined sexualities often end up being inconsequential and artificial limitations. Cam's character is not improved because she has a line about preferring cock, and switching it to a line where she prefers pussy would similarly change little. And making [waifu] arbitrarily straight isn't automatically better because it avoids the dreaded playersexual option.
>>568742769Who's is this whore?>>568746514Wouldn't be surprised if it was a quota thing, faggots and trannies are very vocal and with enough mobilization they can reach a youtuubah with enough reach to set up a smear campaign against you, it sucks, but you often see how people trash on Persona or earlier fire emblems for not allowing you to take in the ass, to the point that some schizos will try to rewrite history through fandom antics to make characters gay, even when say character has a descendent (Ike)And there really seems to be a push for those things, KCD2 comes to mind, Henry is stablished as a strictly straight character in the first game, only for an option to have him take in the ass suddenly come up, no asked for this, no oned wanted this, but now your biggest bro from the first game became a faggot and he can drill your ass
>Wouldn't be surprised if it was a quota thingWhy are "le based chud" larpers the most out of the loop people imaginable
is bloodrager the only class that gets full BAB and arcane casting?
>>568747276If you are talking about the Norscans, most of them don't even understand that they are serving the antichrists, they are a bunch of marauders that worship the "gods of the land" and offer their triumps to them.Most of the time they get blood oathed to serve as fodder for Chaos. Heck, all the everchosens weren't even Norcans, they are all from the Empire
>>568747649Yeah but they're not mentally retarded like in 40K because chaos in fantasy is a lot more "functional"
>>568747339>Who's is this whore?Slopified version of Mira, the bounty hunter character from KotOR 2
>>568747448Then explain me why they add gay romance in KCD2? And a jewish pongrom, and feel bad muslim quest? Everything before and after have actual codex entries which explain how said place or event happened irl in comparison to the game.In those the game straight up says "We made it up"
>>568747845No retard, it is factually a quota. Try to keep up.
>>568747314>Cam's character is not improved because she has a line about preferring cock,I can schizo out and headcanon that her desire to kill men is just her daddy issues manifesting and her disinterest in women is another manifestation of her mommy issues.
>>568747845It's their ways of saying "The pogroms never happened but we wish they did"
>>568747781Oh, with that I can agree.But I think the issue is that 40K got hella flanderized over the years. If you check the portray on how the heretics were acting during the Heresy years and compared them to the Dark Crusade campaign, you will notice how everyone lost IQ points.The same can be said for the Tau and the Necrons, Trazyn went from this amazing big bad to a marketable dude you splash into your canon or non canon work and have him job and die to the people there
>>568747969>her desire to kill menShe may fuck men before killing them, but she also has female victims
>>568746806crpgs were I can roleplay as literally me omelanda?
>>568747969I mean, have you seem Horgus in the 1e AP? I would have lust over daddy too
>>568747969Women don't need to justify preferring men
>>568748184Does she? I genuinely don't remember where that's mentioned and her MO is bait then kill and she doesn't do women.
>>568747969Thats making Cam seem deeper than she really is. She's just a goonlord but female addition.
someone bake I don't have a picture ready
In my personal opinion all your female companions should become lesbians with each other.
>>568746514I would go one step further. There's no reason to let these things be decided by ((market)) forces. Straight white men should reconquer all the governments of western civilization and mandate exclusively that anyone who is not a straight white man cannot buy video games, not can any video game dev ever make a faggot game ever again, under penalty of summary execution by the state.
>>568748438neither of them are wearing underwearsluts
Reminder that camfags are fartfags.
>get to threshold in wotr>every single fight is a huge pain in the ass>permanent debuffs on every character after a 10 second scuffle >character gets one shot>have to spend 5 minutes re-buffing them with 500 fucking spellsI am so fucking done with this nonsense, holy goddamn fuck
>>568748647>>character gets one shotShould've buffed, it's in the name, buffclick. You buff then click.
>>568748724What do you think re-buff impliesPut some points in INT, bro
Camellia the goonlord
>>568748829>>568748829>>568748829
>>568748438Only if it disable jelousy and it allows me to romance bothThat's called an harem ending
>>568748809I simply wanted to say buffclick
>>568743181One hour long rimming scene
>>568748880Fair enough
>>568745003where are the brown/blacks/asians
