Slaanesh update when?

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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>568849203
>>568849343

The ancestors are shamed by the actions of fags that actually avoid gold. Or at least can't be assed enough to just admit "I don't do it because i'm lazy".

Do you think Rannick is gay?

>>568850901
You better believe he's taking prime adepts to his chambers.

Who is the bigger leaf lover? The one who refuses to collect gold, or the one who refuses to collect skulls in this event?

>>568851120
the gold, always. You can be a happy calm dwarf that thinks of hearth and home.

BUT YOU NEVER SKIMP OUT ON THE CHANCE TO GET GOLD AND MINERALS. That's like asking a Jewish man to not enjoy a good bagel.

>>568850764
see>>568849925

Does terraria count as a coop game

I started playing it because darktide is stale and isn't getting better even with shiitari and 100 free scheckles

>>568853192
It probably technically does by virtue of having co-op multiplayer. I just wonder if there might be a better (more alive?) general somewhere, but I'm completely clueless.
I wouldn't really think to discuss Terraria here but I wouldn't be mad about it.

Bonesaw is pretty fun. Tap enemies and dodge waiting for them to die.

>>568853192
What's even there to discuss? All the secrets and strategies have already been figured out a long time ago.

People who don't pick up gold in DRG are the same kind of people who don't loot plasteel and diamantium in darktide, double niggers

>>568853192
Terraria has its own general. I'm sure you'll have better luck discussing it there

>>568856359
Especially Diamantine; Builds aren't fucking cheap.

God damn this thread is dead. Fatshart is so retarded.

If the twins spawn when I'm the last one standing in Havoc am i just fucked? I tried my best but I didn't have the damage to take either of them out.

>>568859998
Need some way to stagger them long enough to get someone else up then kite them away.

Which blessings on tac axe for scum? I was thinking either brutal momentum and shred or headtaker and shred, but agile could also be fucking busted.

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Truly Sisters of Battle will save Darktide. Can you imagine if we got Skitarii instead, it would have been the end. Mechies talk a big game but no one really wants to play a even uglier darktide character.

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>u hav 2 taek teh gold, its dwarfy!
I have intentionally fucked up crassus detonator explosions on a multitude of occasions because I don't want you retards sitting over there for 30 min using up my resupplies so you can spend more time there.

>>568860332
We will never get a power armor class, people would demand that they take far less damage than the other classes and it would throw balance out the window. They could maybe get Sister Prine to get some noviates to help out, but they would essentially just be the zealot with different fluff. Repentia are literally used as zealot class artwork, so no real difference there either.

>>568860328
headtaker/decimator or headtaker/shred are both good I think, you can skip brutal momentum with hyper-critical since it accomplishes something similar
I don't think scum needs agile especially with an already quick weapon like tac axe

>>568860492
>nooo you can't add ogryn, or else people would demand he take way less damage and be able to break down doors
this is how stupid you sound

>>568860665
Ogryn is just a big guy, he doesn't wear power armor.

Are you telling me that a sister of battle in power armor will take the same amount of damage as a guy in a t-shirt?

>>568860163
My team died and spawned way further down the map so bringing them back wasn't an option. I had been kiting the melee twin the entire time to give my team the chance to kill the ranged one but they were too autistically focused on rushing to kill the daemonhost cultists. They failed to stop the ritual and got raped in case you were wondering.

>>568860931
Are you telling me it makes sense that a homeless person with rusty scrap metal shivs can kill a daemon better than an ogryn can?
NO ONE FUCKING CARES

>>568860931
who gives a shit? you can already wear flak and carapace armor and it doesnt affect the damage you take, clearly people are fine with stats being non-diegetic

>>568861182
With faith in The Emperor, yes. We're destroying the vessel that anchors the daemon to our plane, not the daemon itself. No vessel and the daemon cannot remain corporeal.

Should I take block efficiency on my relics if I'm taking kinetic deflection? Only worth it if I'm using a force sword with deflector and not with a duelling sword?

>>568861445
there you have it, the emperor protects ogryns and guys in t-shirts so they end up taking similar amounts of damage as sisters

>>568861789
>can't refute argument
>resorts to "no u"
I accept your concession.

>>568862018
kill yourself jeet

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>>568862105
>he's pulling the racism card
Just take the L and move on Anon, it's ok to be wrong. No sense reinforcing how assblasted you are.

>>568862515
you should make your posts either genuine or funny. if it's unfunny and you're trying to bait then you're just a retarded lonely faggot trying to annoy people because you have no friends

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>>568862972
>Xe is still going

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>erm, we can't have sisters alongside normal humans, it'd throw off the powerscaling :^)
>meanwhile, in the rogue trader crpg
>a rogue trader, his second in command, both in fancy dress, a drukhari, an aeldari, a sister of battle, a space marine, several psykers, a navigator, a random fucking death cult assassin who is functionally no different from darktide's zealot, an arbites, a tech priest, and a cougar milf are all roughly the same in terms of power level and fight together as a team

SoBs are lame and I hope Fatshark never add one.

thank you for being honest about your actual reason and discarding your bad faith argument

>>568863687
Trannies would love it, it would be insane money

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Ogryn are as strong as marines and already stronger than SoB, so saying power armor would imbalance things isn't really true.

Power armor would be more durable than any armor currently in the game, but you can balance that by making it the class's gimmick. Just like how scum gets to customize their chems and skiitaari will customize their servo skull, SoB would customize their power armor. You have several ways to balance it, with more or less speed vs more or less damage reduction, and various attachments like an auspex or a hospitallier arm or a heavy bolter ammo backpack, etc. There's so much you can do with the armor itself being the customization element, rather than just saying "power armor would be hard to balance".

It's on the short list of likely classes, for reasons I've already gone over >>568619851

>>568863687
Nuns with guns are cool and hot. I hope they add one with a helmet since Darktide women all either looks like trannies or inbred meth addicts.

>>568864378
I think darktide women can look cute even if they aren't conventionally attractive.

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>>568863369
>>meanwhile, in the rogue trader crpg
Yes, in the rogue trader RPG, completely different game. If you want to say that then Mario can kill a shard of C'tan by jumping on its head three times.

chances of a "type 2" body for skittles?
for once the mastectomy would be canon

>>568864795
same universe, retard

>>568864795
Were you purposefully being retarded when you wrote this?

>>568864860
I'm predicting they all have the same build but you can pick a female sounding voice.

>>568864795
you're genuinely retarded dude. I was trying to help you understand earlier but now you're just being outright stupid. It's the same setting.

SoB are not as strong as marines, and they are also not as strong as ogryn which are already in the game. Nobody is asking for marines because that actually would throw off the balance, but SoB are just well trained and well equipped humans. They would fit fine in both lore and gameplay, which multiple people have explained very patiently to you.

>>568865312
Try not to fall for the local jeet time vampire

is purge staff psyker still broken?

>>568867259
no it's working exactly as intended

>>568863310
cute
>>568863687
shitters of butthole do indeed be shitty

>>568860665
You literally raped this guy to death and he is still coping and seething. Did you raise him from the dead just so I can watch him seethe? >>568860931

cringe

>>568860931
T7 Sv5+ W3 vs T3 Sv3+ W1
I dunno, faggot. You figure it out.

why is space marine 2 more popular than darktide? right now on steam it has twice the players of darktide, don't get it

recent update, retard

>>568868507
it's consistently true though, idiot
https://steamdb.info/app/2183900/charts/#1y
https://steamdb.info/app/1361210/charts/#1y

>>568860563
Did a few matches with brutal momentum/shred and a few with headtaker/shred, with battering strikes at 5 stacks (which takes no time) I didn't feel too much of a difference with or without brutal momentum. I'll run a few with decimator as well just to say I gave it a whirl, good looking out.

STEAM CHART STEAM CHART

>>568868359
Because (shocking news) most people are retarded and just want to basedpog at the Press X to Watch a Movie.

>>568860490
Fucking Leaf Lover.

REAL dwarfs clear the cave of EVERYTHING.

>>568864795
Would Mario be a Guardsman or a Marine?

How are braced autoguns even supposed to be used?
What role are they supposed to play that is better than the other options?
They look neat though.

>>568872957
BRRR BRRR BRRR RATATATATATATATAATATA!

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>>568849795
I must confess darktiders.
I kind of like darktide’s story and worldbuilding.
I just feel that when darktide shuts down (hopefully not for a while) it will be a coin toss between chaos wins or some imperial deus ex machine saves the planet or exterminatatus’ it.

I’m not sure what the third but very rare coin toss option is where the coin lands on its side will be.

>>568868359
because astartes (space marines!!! shocker...) are the face of w40k and darktide filters out the casual mass easily

>>568860931
Arbitrator already represents full body armor with toughness perks, its fine, it doesn't have to be a massive difference in survivability

>>568868359
It's a better game if you are willing to look past bamham. The customization is probably a huge draw for many since 40k fans love dressing up their dudes. Actually gets regular updates too.

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>>568873898
Oh also there's actually sisters who don't even wear power armor if the dissonance is really considered unacceptable

>>568874189
The issue is a Sister of Battle without Power Armor does even less. It's just a female Zealot, just in nicer clothes.

>>568874641
I would like nicer clothes for my zealot :(

>>568874641
True, one of them is even popping chorus

>>568874641
Yes, just a zealot. Except for
>actually raised from birth to be a soldier
>trained at the level of a tempestus scion
>not just some random zealous homeless person who was going around setting people on fire because they smelled funny
>actually an official member of the church, who served at shrines, unlike zealot, who was at most a menial there if not just a tourist

>>568874828
Sure. How does any of this translate into gameplay exactly?

>>568874878
In all likelihood, using a meltagun and dual wielding a power sword with a bolt pistol, as well as all three combat abilities being miracle based to zealot's 1

>>568874984
The entire fucking cast except Ogryn and Hives Cum (and even that's arguable) could get a meltagun. The entire cast could get a melee+ranged options (never fucking ever, commissar cosplayers on suicide watch).
And honestly wether abilities are miracle based or not is just a matter of flavour text.
So again, how exactly a Sister of Battle Novitiate be anything but Zealot in nicer clothes? I mean a Sister Hospitalier could at least be the dedicated healslut.

Power armor, heavy bolters, multimeltas, and heavy flamers are what set the SoB apart from the Zealot. If they go with Novitiates, that's lost. They don't use any of those things. Novitiates use carapace armor, and have regular flamers, regular bolters, autoguns, and no meltas. So Novitiates are legitimately too similar to Veterans and Zealots in terms of gameplay. You need the things SoB are known for to set them apart mechanically from Zealots.

But as I have already said multiple times, the armor itself can be the SoB's class gimmick, just like the stims that already exist for the ganger and the servo skull is going to be for admech.

It is lore compliant for SoB to assist in a situation like exists in the game, and it's also completely fine in terms of gameplay since they have already featured Ogryn which are depicted as being able to do less than their lore depictions already.

The alternatives to SoB exist as well, as I discussed here >>568619851, but none of them are as iconic to 40k as sob. A cold trader, a xenos mercenary, a rogue trader's voidsman, a ratling, and a few other things exist as other possible class options, but none of them are as iconic, and all of them have various problems. Like a voidsman is going to be too similar to the Veteran, and a Cold Trader is just going to be a veteran with eldar weaponry, etc. So they're not better in terms of gameplay diversity than the SoB. SoB are absolutely the foremost logical options for the next class. It's that simple.

>>568860665
But ogryn did cause problems for balance. The class overperforms in lower difficulties every other patch and underperforms in havoc the other half.

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>>568875776
>how would grail knight be any different from foot knight?

>>568877613
False equivalence.

>>568877894
It's literally the same fucking argument

>>568874828
Not necessarily raised from birth. Sure some are raised by the order but others enter when they are adolescents or teens. Scholas often have a veteran Sister on staff to advise young women in case they feel a calling to join. They will complete their basic education at the schola while doing some practical training before graduating and making a decision.

And not every sister is trained to be a one woman army. For every sister that wears power armor and charges against the enemies of the Imperium in battle there are dozens who are either still novitiates, or are support staff (think chapter serfs for a space marine comparison). Some sisters feel a stronger calling to learn and will serve the order in other ways, such as members of the dialogus who translate and research texts or sisters that specifically tend to a shrine or order holding. While they are also combat ready they wont necessarily serve on the front lines. There are plenty of sisters who will never rise above a middling rank but that doesnt diminish their contribution to their order.

>>568877974
No.
1) Grail Knight was a new career, not a new class. At very least a new Darktide class is 3 times the size of a Vermintide career, considering it has three different abilities, nevermind the rest of the tree.
2) Grail Knights do have magical abilities that Foot Knights simply do not. I know you'll try to use my argument against me here but there's a difference between adding a (sub)class that uses magical boons where magic is the only reasonable explanation and a new class that uses the exact same abilities an already existing class does, just reframed as magic (that said existing class also has).
3) Grail Knights fight mounted on horses. Foot Knights fight, well, on foot.
It just doesn't work on so many levels that you should honestly kneel and suck my cock for even having the patience to explain it to you.

>>568878028
Honestly the non-militant Sisters probably outnumber the Sisters of Battle by quite a marigin. Between Dialogus, Hospitaller, Famulous, Sabine and even the even more mundane ones like Madriga and Fenestrus there's just so much shit they do everywhere in the Galaxy that it's surprising we don't see them more often.

>>568880017
You are so painfully stupid.

>>568877613
good point actually, SoB is probably the only class idea that could bring back Grail Knight's deeds or its magic sword ult (even though dakritde HATES ATTACK ULTS FFS)

>>568880334
They definitely do. It’s important to remember that the combat ready ones are those who survive the harsh disciplinary training that the Schola puts them, Scions and Arbites through. There’s a reason they number fewer than than other prominent Imperial factions.

>>568873167
Vermintide 1 is still going ya know

>>568872957
For melee oriented builds mostly. Suppression to advance against gunners/shooters . Backup weapon to hose down ragers swarms if your melee weapon is bad at it. With enough ammo not to hurt too much doing either. It's a middle ground weapon type, so it's not quite the best at any particular role.

>>568880585
>dakritde HATES ATTACK ULTS

What is Ogryn's Machine Gun Ult then?

>>568882671
trash

Why does Vermintide 2's Greatsword work while Darktide's Heavy Sword doesn't?

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Wait what? Why are there no new arbites cosmetics? The class has been out for months now and it's still the same launch cosmetics. They're leaving money on the table.

Everything needing to be okay'ed by GW for brand consistency doesn't take several months. They also want to make money.
Fatshark...

If they actually add SoB some day, there are dozens of helmets and armor configurations for them, all the ranks and dominions and superiors and all that. They would be insane not to sell them.

why do you fags want sisters of battle when ratlings or space dwarfs would be more fun

I wonder what will be the hive scumish class that's getting released after the skitarii to give fatshark extra time to work on the sisters class

>>568885234
i hope fatshark fucks off with the new classes and makes more weapons for the existing ones

>>568884802
GW doesn't give a shit about rats or votan

>>568880585
skitarii is getting a chordclaw ability though
like this is literally a thing thats happening

>>568885807
I'd buy that for a dollar!

OBEY MY CAT!!!

What's a good Ogryn ranged weapon to deal with snipers? I want something I can swap to quickly, shoot and kill the sniper, and swap back to melee.
I thought the Heavy Stubber would fill that role but you have to rack the gun before shooting so it's not fast enough.

>>568889952
the heavy stubber can pull out quite fast with the swap speed node which should be easily within reach
two alternatives are the kickback with surgical, a crit with its minimum pellet count can snipe them but youre still falling into a longer total time to actually kill them
the ripper is also noteworthy due to the pellet count doing some work, and while its not enough to kill, its very accurate on the first burst after a very quick swap and will 100% knock them down hard, talking them out of the fight for a decent bit and theyll likely die the 2nd time around

>>568868359
Space muhreens get normalfag appeal, and Darktide quickly gets boring as fuck unless you play Auric.

>>568889952
ripper mk V works well enough for that sort of thing.
There is also an overly specific talent/stat spread to make the kickback one-shot them at any range.

>>568890312
>>568891335
Kickback is a bit too meme-y for me but I'll try the Ripper. Thanks.

>"wots abhuman?"
>the sarcastic asshole character whos snappy to everyone: "ABSOLUTELY HUMAN"
everyone loves brawler ogryn

>>568851091
all the psyker twinks...

So is there no female skitarii or do they all get they titties chopped off?

>>568863369
Characters in RT aren't normal humans. All of companions are elite to HQ tier. Player character is an equivalent of Chapter Master before he even becomes Rogue Trader and gets his hands on archeotech/xeno/relic/master crafted gear

Not that I disagree about shitting on le rejects theme. Be my guest, I want that garbage retconned outright from the game

>>568896556
Unless Im going senile, they talked about having female voice options.

>>568896778
Yeah but i need titties

>>568896816
Nah, they all have a fuck huge chestplate.
Best you get is a tiny adjustment in hip to shoulder ratio and a different toasterfied VA.
Our girls are flat as fuck anyways.

>>568897028
They have a body under the armor

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>>568897082
I know my swedes, 1 of the 2 is 110% female.

>>568863369
>please tell me more about it
Nobody is asking this of you SoBfag, PLEASE do not burn half a thread autistically babbling about bolter bitches.

>>568868359
It never suffered Fatshart retardation. Saber did not have to spend years unfucking core mechanics like crafting, which took 3 complete reworks to mimic SM2 system and there are still leftovers like Melk and having to fish for a correct weapon to upgrade.

SM2 is better on pretty much every level. Enemies are from cooler factions, with bigger variety and quantity than in DT

Missions aren't locked to a repetitive single hive city on a single world for no reason at all, instead each being radically different from another. They also aren't so lazily made that they reuse half of a mission and make you go backwards, pretending it's a different mission

There are actual, numerous boss fights in game even

There are still more classes in game than in DT

All weapons are actually cool 40k weapons instead of a toothbrush or a shovel

Darktide charges aaa game price for a recolor of a paypig skin you already have, in SM2 you can color armor pieces yourself

It's a true VT2 successor really. The only way people can argue otherwise is by pretending there is no dodge button in Darktide for some reason

>>568897160
Fuck she's hot

>>568876101
>Power armor
Can just be represented with few +15 toughness perms.
>heavy bolters
Too OP tor darktide balance
>multimeltas
Too OP for darktide balance
>heavy flamers
This would quite literally just be exactly the same as the flamer, but it has a larger "magazine" and ammo reserve.

>>568880017
>At very least a new Darktide class is 3 times the size of a Vermintide career,
Darktide classes as are just 3 vermintranny careers wrapped up in a trenchcoat.

>>568884669
>The class has been out for months now
Not months, almost a year.
Also GW is the very reason why there are no other cosmetics

>>568892023
>sarcastic asshole who is snappy to everyone
Brawler is none of these.

>>568896623
Rejects have more soul. If you want to be a rogue trader bed warmer go play Rogue Trader or Dark Heresy when it comes out.

>>568897302
Parryslop

>>568897686
>GW is the very reason why there are no other cosmetics
GW is also the reason why the scum trailer was delayed, every shot was approved but the entire trailer as a whole just hadnt officially gotten the okay (whoopsie we forgots!) and they twiddled their thumbs on it for so long that fatshark had eat shit and just move the trailer back

>>568897778
No, but the vet personality who says that line to the brawler ogryn is

>>568897302
Sounds like that all people should just go play Space Marine 2 instead of whinging about needing Darktide to be changed to something it never was.

>>568897302
Dogshit combat and weapon feel

>>568897778
Anon...

>>568897958
Oh, you mean Loose Cannon.

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>>568898116
is loose cannon the biggest difference in tone between gender? fem loose canon is so fucking direct and rude vs male loose canon who's so lax his insults sound endearing and his laziness sounds sarcastic, or acquiescent at worst, he's a huge bro imo
plus who doesn't love PUT THE KARKIN BOOT IN from either

>>568898116
Loose butthole

>>568898070
SM2 is accurate with that.
Space marines are meant to struggle with the enemies they fight. Trying to hack and slash through a bio engineered alien is not meant to be easy.
The horrors of the galaxy are the reason why marines are so heavily genetically modified and augmented, it's done purely so they can at least *try* making it more fair.
A regular human is just going to get torn to pieces by a regular gaunt in like 2 seconds. Shit like bullets and lasfire basically do nothing to a gaunt, it'd all deflect off the hardened carapace and exoskeleton, it would even have redundant organs.

>>568898391
I didn't say they struggled, i said the combat was dogshit. Feels straight out of the early 2010s

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>>568898546
Why did you guys change boards?

>>568897028
>Our girls are flat as fuck anyways
Nuh-uh not mine.
My femfanatic Zealot has HUGE fuckin' tits under her shawl you just can't see them.

>>568898391
Nah thats over overdramatic, they're both S3 T3 1-wound models with S3 weapons and 5+ armor on the table

>>568898716
Probably can't keep pace with all the gachashit and waifufaggotry that plague this one

>>568898884
Makes sense if that board is slower. I don't use it so i didn't know

>>568898716
Thread was dying before bump limit. The recent patch generated some extra buzz so we were able to maintain a handful of threads in a row, but it's already starting to slow down again. It's only a matter of time until we start getting bumped off the catalog again by the obsessive autistic gachafaggot generals that permeate this board.

>>568898884
You'd think the mods would do something about that and force them to use /vmg/, the board that was made for them.

>>568898546
I forgot /vm/ existed

>>568899002
Much, much slower. I found /gerg/ again after not lurking there for years, and that thread's been up since 2025

>>568899083
If only

>>568898527
god I hope they come up with something new for SM3. if it wasn't warhammer I probably wouldn't touch SM2 with a stick.

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>>568897892
slideslop
Blocking, parrying, dodging are all mechanics which exists in both games. There is no difference between them. Other than rolling being less retarded than sliding
There is no big difference between activating god mode in DT with piss toughness and Execution in SM2. Other than Executing at least requiring you to defeat enemy first, rather than simply waiting half a minute to activate invulnerability and being able to fight as normal at this same time

I don't understand why people have to be so dishonest about all of this. You can compare VT2, DT and SM2 in objective metrics, simply by listing features and their quantity. There is no need for arbitrary tribalism.
Case in point, VT2 has 3 different enemy factions, each with different enemies, attack patterns, skeletons and animations.
SM2 has 2 different enemy factions, each with different enemies, attack patterns, skeletons and animations.
DT has literal reskins pretending to be 2 factions, being identical save for armor type.
>>568898031
All fartshart had to do is to make VT2 in space and they fucked it up
>>568898070
DT ruined combat with powercreep. SM2 feels better to play with you actually having to duel enemies, instead of just killing them all in a single hit

>>568899490
>words words words
Cool, now parry the attack when you see the prompt.

>>568899490
>you actually having to duel enemies
And the duels are boring as fuck and repetitive

>>568899490
>warrior attacks
>parry
>gunstrike
>empty most of the bolter mag into his face
>he turns red
>press E
>watch the repetetive unarmed animation because they couldn't do more weapon specific ones for something you do a gorillion times
>move on to next warrior

>>568899490
>SM2 feels better to play with you actually having to duel enemies, instead of just killing them all in a single hit
The problem is that SM2 fails to make weapons satisfying to use while doing so. I sure do love having to expend an entire bolter magazine on this fleshy alien. Feels wonderful. Same deal when you can whack something with light attacks 15 times and have it still seem just fine. Even worse than that though was how re-actively you had to play SM2. "Wait for opening" is a lot less fun to me than "create opening", and SM2 often forces you to wait, which becomes annoying when it's frequent.

>>568899709
They placed looking cool above good and satisfying gameplay

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>>568899709
You don't have to execute every time. Actually it's usually more efficient to just shoot them a couple of more times in the head or gunstrike them to take them out so you have less downtime in the fight. You should really only take executes if you're in a pinch or if you have some ability that procs off of it, like Tactical's Radiating Impact.

>>568899546
>when you see the prompt
lol
>>568899565
Boring is a power creep and being able to kill everything in 1 shot/hit, so fartshart has to force AI director to spam specials and enemies to the point game literally breaks down and sounds stop working

why defend fartshart of all things
>>568899709
None of this is different to Tide gameplay. You parry, block, dodge enemy attacks all the same. You don't have to execute enemy every time either
>>568899775
I disagree. I hate nothing more than power creep now. Makes perfect sense for Nids and Tsons to take the beating. I can't stand everything being made of paper nowadays.

>>568899853
I never brought up fatshark. Weren't you trooning out about tribalism earlier? I guess i'm in the anti dogshit gameplay tribe

>>568899935
this is dt general
question was why people like SM2 more than DT and comparisons are between them and that's the answer. Follow the reply chain

>>568899853
>I hate nothing more than power creep now
Satisfying combat is more important to me. Having weapons that feel like they're actually fucking effective is the bread and butter of these kinds of games. Being too effective isn't ideal but a far lesser problem that not effective enough.
>Makes perfect sense for Nids and Tsons to take the beating. I can't stand everything being made of paper nowadays.
Maybe if you were shooting regular guns and not fucking bolters, anon. Way to kill everything cool about the bolter: turn it into a nerf gun.

>>568900098
Because fatshark's gameplay is satisfying and has one of the most unique and deepest combat systems, whereas sm2 is a more tedious version of the games i played almost 20 years ago

>>568899853
>b...b...but you press buttons in both games
Your run of the mill arcady actionslop is far from being the same as ascended tide combat.

Mulching and dismembering humanoids also hits way different than babies first bug extermination space marvelrines.

>>568868359
Normie appeal. Darktide doesn't appeal to normies who get filtered by malice difficulty. It unironically has too much combat depth.
Even if fatshark hadn't massively fumbled release and actually kept up with updates, it still wouldn't be that much more popular. It is inherently niche by having a very steep learning curve.
Most players will never learn to move and fight at the same time, for example. Many never learn the melee.

I like Darktide :3

I just wish it was better optimised

>>568901468
Fair

>>568901468
runs much smoother than SM2 for me. Use the potato config mod and put your config file on read only so the perfidious swedes can't reaneble ray tracing

>>568901538
thanks for the tips anon I'll try that

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>>568860492
>We will never get a power armor class, people would demand that they take far less damage than the other classes and it would throw balance out the window.
What is arbites for 100 dockets
Also SoB's gimmick would be heavy guns which makes them immobile while braced (Making them much more vulneable to disablers)

They might even add lines in the code specifically to spawn more netters, trappers and mutants directly behind the SoB anytime she enters brace mode
>Things that won't penetrate this power armor
Basic bullets
>Things that will penetrate this power armor
Melee from any special
>Things that will one-shot the SoB
Overheads, wearing a helmet does little to protect your brain from the raw concussion force of a giant retard hitting your over the head with a block of concrete bigger than your torso.

Oh my fucking god, enough.

>>568901538
>so the perfidious swedes can't reaneble ray tracing
Wait they still didn't fix that? at this point it's not just incompetence it's criminal

>>568901538
SM2 runs smoother for my graphically BUT it's unplayable thanks to game-destroying 'lag' (even when I'm playing 'singleplayer') and horrific audio stuttering, which are both apparently caused by me still having an old-ass CPU

>>568899827
I remember a time when Tyranid warriors were not only immune to CC, they were straight up immune to instant death even if it was from getting their head shot off with a las cannon
>Firecrackers just knock them the fuck out
Truly the strongest weapon in the space marines arsenal, more powerful than hellfire rounds.

>>568902518
I got the audio bug

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>concernfagging

I am worried about the Skitarii weapons. No doubt due to the way the tree is organized and the basic laziness of the swedes to just add +15% to everything, the tree itself will be very strong. What has me concerned is that we might end up with another Scum where there's function only two weapons you'd ever actually use. The Galvanic Rifle in that clip we saw is giving me major Headhunter Rifle flashbacks, which would be a disaster. No doubt the footage they showed in that was also on Malice or some shit because Fatshark balanced around Malice as we all know. The shock maul is clearly supposed to synergize with the Arc Rifle (from what we know about the Arc Rifle, it seems they probably want you to use the Arc Rifle to stun a bunch of shit and then use the Maul with a temporary damage boost from the Arc Rifle to clear in melee), but the issue is that this seems really wasteful time wise and Smigger exists. The Phosphex Pistol sets off alarm bells in my head because I can't imagine how they'll make it useful unless they just copy the AIDS pistol. The Arc Rifle also has a potentially very large problem of needing to compete with the Flamer (it's AoE clear, CC weapon) but can't hurt a single thing beyond 10 meters. The variant we are getting according to the fluff is ammo pool restricted due to not having a backpack power source, so making it even more like the Flamer in all possibility.

The Tranny Blades seem like they might just be a gimmick based off that fluff text about how they work from the event. If you have to actively pick between, say, Flak or Carapace modes via alt fire then shits fucked already due to the prevalence of mixed hordes. It feels like it could be the Bone Saw 2.0 in a way, or maybe the crowbar. Both bad.

The upshot is that due to the Skitarii's background and the weapons we know it gets (Power Sword), it might just, frustratingly be a scenario where the actual useful weapons are the core shared pool.

>>568897686
>>568897902

TL;DR: If GW didn't make the plastic for it themselves, no one else can do anything else with it.

>>568868359
It's much lighter on the brain
I can play SM2 a lot longer than DT without tiring
DT is the better game though

>>568897302
>It never suffered Fatshart retardation
But it did suffer from Saber retardation
SM2 will likely never be as good a game as it could be. Fatshark bungled its release and such but at least they have spent years making improvements to the game. With SM2 every update is two steps forward one backwards. Even if we count the games two years after release, DT was already in a better state than SM2 is now. If DT still had game-breaking bugs appearing with the same frequency and consistency as DT, it would be the number 1 issue discussed in this thread.

>>568904172
>dude the class will be overpowered on release!
And? Will it kill the game? Fuck no, and if you don't want them in Havocs, just don't accept their applications until they're balanced down.

>>568904303
I didn't say that at all. I said the opposite.

>>568904172
>Eww, I don't want my class to be Powerful in the PVE game

Fuck off.

>>568904383
I didn't say that either. Did you all get hit in the head?

>>568904451
>No doubt due to the way the tree is organized and the basic laziness of the swedes to just add +15% to everything, the tree itself will be very strong. What has me concerned is that we might end up with another Scum
Nobody read your babbling past this point.

>>568904531
Cool, the weapons will be shit and you'll all be using D. Sword/the non-shit Power Sword and Plasma Gun in a few weeks. See you then.

>>568904587
when youre proven wrong will you apologize?

>>568904587
Literally no different from every other class where only a handful of weapons are viable because the rest are intended for Malice. We've been through it before, it won't kill the game, and (eventually) they'll balance it better once actual players figure out the meta and tell them. Release numbers are all placeholders basically, Skitarii isn't releasing in a month, it's going into beta in a month.

>>568904383
powerful and overpowered are two vastly different things, one of them is cool and fun and the other is boring and snoozeworthy
i prefer having cool and fun

>>568887445
>GW has to carefully approve every single armor that's why Fatshart can't just make more cosmetic DLCs
>meanwhile this looks like straight out of some dark electro gay club party in the middle of the France

>>568898031
>Darktide to be changed to something it never was
Except that's exactly what FS did with Darktide
>core mechanics like crafting, which took 3 complete reworks to mimic SM2 system

>>568905194
>3 complete reworks to mimic system that came after it

>>568904813
The playtesters are saying this is the most complete DLC class we're getting, less major holes in strength across the trees and weapons and less retarded peaks in strength across them too, as well as a more cohesive and synergistic tree
Like holy shit do you remember how fucking dysfunctional Terminus Warrant was on release? Or the fact that Scum literally got massive sweeping changes like 3 days before release? Totally screams "I wasn't rushed at all I swear!"
I'm kinda hoping and coping more after hearing it's gonna be less of that

>>568899083
>mods
>doing their job
That's the funnies shit I've ever heard in these threads.

>>568905287
>The playtesters
And you trust them?

>>568905328
Trust them more than some weirdo faggot who is operating strictly off flavor text and a few seconds of video clips

>>568905328
I trust the ones that said "scum is stupidly overpowered because it was rushed" and it turned out to be overpowered because it was rushed
Those ones (not hank) seem to have a clue of whats going on

>>568904776
I'll buy you the class.
>>568904813
Sure, but fundamentally even when adjusted certain weapons still aren't worth a damn. The other classes can suffer through this because they have a fairly extensive pool of class specific weapons (except Ogryn), so they'll come up Milhouse on at least a dozen weapons in the grand scheme of things. The problem with the new classes is that we both know that isn't the case due to no updates. Arbites is pretty lucky. Hive Scum got fucked with the most boring weapons also being the strongest. And my fears I feel are merited based on this. Arbites weapons (except like two) are strong. The Scum has two very strong weapons and then a bunch of meh/bad weapons. The Skitarii concern I have is that the design of the weapons incoming for it are largely going to be bad or counterintuitive. The Zealot flamer build is only so strong because the Zealot is strong in melee and it has knives you trick shot with. The Skitarii does not strike me as a melee class, but rather a utility class with a range focus. That's fine because the Skitarii are not (generally) good in melee, in lore or in TT. AdMech is supposed to be a gun line army, but the retards at GW refuse to let them excel at it despite that being their whole design. The one time when they were good at being a gun line army, they got nerfed so fast that it was preposterous. And it was mainly because people could build bricks of Skitarii who could actually shoot well and were hard to shift due to auras from cheap HQ options. GW heard the SM faggots bitch and have made sure to never make the mistake of AdMech being good ever again (for point of reference: I am talking about something that happened over half a decade ago).

>>568905427
Yeah that's fair. Still, I wouldn't assume the playtesters did comprehensive testing, them saying it'll be more balanced than scum and arby on release doesn't mean it's certain to be.

>>568905446
Keep it short or keep it to yourself. You ain't that interesting

>>568905427
Because Fatshark are retarded and when they design things think that so long as it does something in the realm of that flavor text it's good, especially if balanced in Malice. I am not wrong about either of these points because Fatshark has shown this to be the case time and time and time again.

>>568905567
More interesting than you, Swedoid. If you had anything of value to say, you'd actually try to go after the merit of the argument instead of being concussed by seeing more than 20 words in a post.
>ain't
You also ain't American.

>>568905580
You're a retard if you think we're gonna waste our time reassuring some faggot when none of us know shit yet
>i'm super worried, guys
I don't give a shit. We'll know more when we see more

>>568905580
its so tiring
im sick of hearing "the game is balanced for X" because X is always the thing that pisses the person off more in that specific instance, malice or havoc
somethings being buffed? balanced for malice/havoc
somethings being nerfed? balanced for malice/havoc
something new is dropping? balanced for malice/havoc
you hear all of both all the time holy shit we get it you just want to be fucking pissed

>>568905719
You haven't seen enough in three years?

>>568905794
I haven't seen how the skitarii will and i am deeply uninterested in the ramblings of some neurotic sounding retard

>>568905446
You're being mocked because you're treating something we all already know will be the case with unwarranted gravity, and it's even funnier because you're going on huge tangents about it that turn your posts into walls of text. Relax faggot, it'll be busted up on release in some manner, what of it?

Think about it, at worst, and I mean absolute worst, you'll have full teams of skitarii using the same builds and the same weapons in quickplay lobbies. Which is easily solved by just not accepting applications from Skitarii and not using quickplay in the week or two after release.

>>568905897
Again, smarter than you.
>>568906024
My bad for clearly marking my post as concernfagging and not wanting the classes weapons to be shit. Don't worry though, I am certain Fatshark will correct any issues expediently and with great alacrity as has always been the case.

>>568905194
>to mimic SM2 system
retard

>>568906024
>Which is easily solved by just not accepting applications from Skitarii
great so now we're spend 30+ minutes sitting in party finder rejecting every skitarii AND psyker (both are the only classes that apply because players are incapable of playing that isnt game ruining)
i am so excited for this information
i love darktide

>>568906185
>not wanting the classes weapons to be shit
I get it, I do, but you're treating this as such a desperate concern when you could just wait for a balance pass and it'll be mostly fine. Are you going to be dead by the end of the year or something? You have time man.

>playing havoc
Game isn't good enough to warrant such gayniggardry.

>>568906185
We all want the class to be good
None of us wants to talk about it with a whiny neurotic faggot

>>568906304
auric and everything below it is boring as shit, its all we have left

>>568906304
Trenchnigger.

Trench Crusade Tide game
Made by Streumon Studio
:^)

I know Rogue Core a lot of legitimate things to complain about, but man are people fucking horrible at this game. The time management skills of most players are awful.

>>568906394
I ain't serving in no trenches.

Pro tip: don't be extremely autistic and hysterical when talking about your uninteresting concerns

>>568906462
Would certainly be better than Darktide.

>>568906462
I always liked the idea behind TC before they had official minis, but with how the creators behind TC are letting progressivism decide the direction of it, it's becoming off putting

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True Survivor?
More like True Shitter!

>>568907591
Cacarat is that you? what happened to you?

>>568906462
Actually boring setting because it's just pure grimdark that it goes right into grimderp territory. Good grimdark is like perfume, you need a sour note in it for it to actually smell good, for grimdark that sour note is hope.

>>568907629
He got declined one time too many

is Infernus on the laspistol still worth it?

>>568899043
You guys can just talk in /coopg/ as well, it's the end of the world.
No one here actually minds if you talk about other games.

>>568907738
It's also fine for them to have their own thread if they want, if they need to come here, they will.

>>568901851
>Also SoB's gimmick would be heavy guns
This is purely just your wishlisting bullshit.
Fatshark would just make them into a melee class like zealot/arbites because it is the lazy approach. And the swedes hate work.

>>568905427
And I trust them less because they are sycophantic morons who all suck Fatshark cock so they can get free aquilas and early free access to the new content.

>>568907802
True, but at the same time, they are largely just prolonging the inevitable.

>>568901851
>What is arbites for 100 dockets
The Arbite is not wearing power armour.
>Also SoB's gimmick would be
Nothing, because it's never happening.

>>568899827
I'm not shitting on you for liking this game but holy fuck does that look boring to me. Same shit I hated in doom 2016, if I shoot a cunt in the face with a rocket i dont want him glowing and flashing and staggered i want him painting the fucking wall behind where he was standing with no trace

>>568884669
>the resolution weirdo being weird again

>>568884669
Doesn't matter, you're only getting 1 deluxe set and 1 premium shop set.
They will get the same treatment as all DLC.

>>568911489
And penance sets

>>568884669
>If they actually add SoB some day, there are dozens of helmets and armor configurations for them, all the ranks and dominions and superiors and all that.
You will literally take any opportunity at all to talk about them won't you?

I'm moving on to Heresy.
Will my teammates be less retarded and useless now that I'll be on higher difficulty?

>>568901427
>Most players will never learn to move and fight at the same time, for example
I'm a havoclet, so I stay on Auric. Seeing this kind of people still persist on Auric burns me out the most beside the game crappy servers. It's worse that somehow I witness this player type more when playing as Veteran.

>>568911762
they just see more reward and not more skill needed

>>568905771
I think this comment highlights an important problem in darktide's design, and it's most evident in damage-based abilities(think of assail). There is no fucking chance something can be balanced in the easiest AND hardest modes just by dealing damage. Shit like maxHP damage or CC scales just fine but things like assail, brain burst, ogryn frag bomb(had to be buffed to instakill humabsize enemies, it wasnt doing that already lol) will never be innately balanced just by damage. Shit like guns and melee weapons have far more operational range of damage output since it's assumed you'll level them up as you get better and do harder missions, but abilities don't scale as well. The real problem is enemies just have so much variance in hp, vs drg where enemies get like 20% more hp total going from level 1 to 5/6
I dont really have a point I guess I just thought it was marginally interesting in a way

>>568911762
No, the same will be true of Damnation and Auric too, but if you have it in you, them being bad will make you better and better at the game out of necessity.

>>568911836
>>568912117
So it is.
I shall endure.

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>>568910261
I mean to be fair that particular webm isn't a very good showing of the flow states you can enter while playing. Assault and Bulwark in particular can afford to be very aggressive and proactive with their animation cancels.

Now listen to me, this isn't some weird fetish, I'm trying to get pounced and pounded by a poxhound just to get that penance.

>>568913748
>this isn't some weird fetish,
>makes his penance bigger
Anon... your penance is betraying your true feelings.

>>568913471
>press X to awesome

>>568884669
yeah it's one of the mistakes of the game. gw needing to approve everything doesn't explain why there's zero new items at all for a year. just look at sm2 that gets dozens of cosmetics dlc for space marine chapters. it's bullshit when people blame gw. fatshark is just lazy

>>568914179
Yeah we're supposed to believe GW is so strict they won't let Fat even give us more basic-bitch pallete-swap recolors for the docket shop? Bullshit

>>568914179
lmao look at this beaten wife "oh no not Fatshart, they wouldn't be so lazy, not out precious Fatshart. They love me so much"

>>568914179
>>568914729
crap I just saw you mocked the guy>>568884669
sorry

>>568914829
what the fuck are you doing. I answered his question and then agreed with him. go home you're drunk

>>568860490
Stay on haz 3.

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>>568915197
worse am stoopid

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>>568913748

>>568882671
Not a direct attack like the GK sword or e*f's trueflight arrows, but a buff to his existing weapon. The only ults that do damage by themselves just apply DoT stacks on enemies.

OrguSTEIN is not my explicator
#NotMyExplicator

>>568911762
lol

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>When everyone brought a support build
This has to be the most miserable way to play have 31
Trappers didn't stand a chance, but holy fuck was that a miserable and long death walk.
Do I get my Crusher certificate now?

>>568918529
>no frontliner
I can imagine how miserable it was.

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>>568918873
I was the frontliner wtih nothing but my crusher, beating back the endless tide of crushers and maulers until the vet could kill them with their plasmagun and the psyker could flame staff them to death
double gold healh, loudspeaker and bubble is basically godmode if everyone drops it at the same time.
But fuck there was just so much endless shit, I ran out of ammo twice from just shooting specials at range while commanding the dog.
x.x
I'm glad I took anon's advice and put flamer + napalm resistence + gunner resistance on, I had to stand in fire to save them so many times.

>>568911532
Half of the penance sets are just recolors of one another.
Like they did with Arbites and hive scum.
:^)

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For any Space Marine 2 fags who missed it, we're now on /vm/.

>>>/vm/2528900
>>>/vm/2528900
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>>568914179
>just look at sm2 that gets dozens of cosmetics dlc for space marine chapters
GW approves basically Space Marine 2 cosmetics because they are space marines, and GW always gives marines preferential treatment.
Also notice how all of the sets are for chapters that actually exists, unlike Darktide where like 50% or more premium cosmetics are basically fanfiction made up by Fatshark.

>>568919983
and stay there

>>568911762
You just encounter more confident retards the higher you go.

>>568919983
Jesus. Got that bad huh? Fair though. Honestly there are some games and generals that could stand to benefit from being moved over there.
>>568908949
Based.

>>568920557
/vg/ has become untenable for any general that can't average four posts an hour. Despite the fact gachafags have their own board in /vgm/, they plague this place.

>>568920749
And can you believe they still try to get running threads going on /v/?

>>568906462
Would certainly be infinitely shittier and lamer than Darktide.
>>568907672
It does have some “hope”, but it’s really all off balance and has >>568907484 dragging it down.

>>568919195
Are you the anon who switched from shock maul to the crusher? Did you end up going for Execution Order in the end?

>>568905446
Skitarii are usually gunline yes, the AdMech as a whole are combined arms like certain other Imperial factions including the Guard and Marines.

what's the veteran's role when most of the other classes are better at shooting?

>>568921569
You supply ammo

>>568898391
>Space marines are meant to struggle with the enemies they fight
The rest of your post is just wrong from here on out. There are plenty of enemies Space Marines easily deal with by necessity. Savage Orks, Gaunts, etc.
They literally *have* to be able to with how frequently they’re outnumbered. If that were true, they would probably be the most ineffective fighting force in the galaxy relative to how much resources needs to be sunk into making them. They’re heads and shoulders above a regular guardsman and it shows. More specialized units though? Sure.

>>568921639
Oh my God...

>>568920865
I absolutely can believe that. During the hack there were refugees posting on altchans trying to engage in samefaggotry, but little did they know these altchans they jumped ship to had IDs enabled. I wish I could find the image, and iirc the anons in question were /vt/umours, but I suspect the Venn diagram of that community and the gachafag community is a near-perfect circle. Can you imagine the absolutely depraved amount of samefagging that occurs in gacha threads? A gaggle of autistically obsessive degenerates talking to themselves day in, day out.

>>568922362
seamonkeys and indians getting the internet...

>>568901538
>runs much smoother than SM2 for me
this
both run decently well for me but I was surprised that SM had more hiccups. maybe russian jank. swedejank seems to beat it.

>>568921569
But no other class is as good at shooting
>but
build issue skill issue

>>568922668
who's better at range between the vet and lets say the hive scum?

>>568922735
Vet, because vet can quickly and efficiently solve all of those problems without waiting for DoT, while scum's strengths are mostly things that can be solved in melee.
>needler
Incredibly OP weapon, not actually the class doing it. I still think veteran has it beat because DoTs don't instantly remove disablers and it doesn't suppress shooter nests.

>>568922921
>DoTs don't instantly remove disabler
It doesn't need to because it the disabler dies before it even gets into threat range.
With scum you can just shoot a dude and then just move onto the next target and by the time you got shoot the 2nd target, the 1st one has already died.
Veteran can't do this.

>>568921569
Gold spam and survivalist. That's honestly it.

With skitarii releasing I don't know if Vet will be the best shooter in the game anymore anyway.
Iirc we got a leaked ability during the ukrainian translation leak for skittle (ALL of which turned out to be true btw) and the ability is literally just Exec Stance with an aim bot. Mind you this also might be the base ability of the class when you start playing the class, so it might get even stronger. Like how ogryn Bull Rush gets upgraded into Indomitable.
There's a real possiblity that skittle could replace veteran going forward.

I mean that's why the veteran is not called "veteran sharpshooter" anymore

Grenadier woudl have been mroe accurate

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>>568863369
Swedes going for the whole reject idea was the dumbest thing they could've gone with. Dark Heresy rpg has a ton of cool flavors for possible acolytes/agents like SoBs, primaris psykers, temple assassins, psyker jedi, cyborgs with power sword arms that regenerate through blood, literal sorcerers, techpriests and even your standard Darktide deal of guardsmen veterans and priests. Among the wargear in that system you can find psyker brain railguns, xeno weapons, bolter crossbows and literal lightsabers, along with conversion beamers and power armor.
Meanwhile we unironically got a folding shovel as a new weapon patch.
Inquisition, their politics and their sub factions are genuinely one of the coolest aspects of the Imperium, meanwhile we're doing a 4 gopniks vs black friday bit in Darktide. Shit sucks.

>>568920957
Nope I went Forceful to try something new
The dog is mainly to make sure every single trapper/bomber/sniper in sight gets deleted even if I'm too busy to pull out the shotgun
Just keeping the disablers/ and specials under control is a bigger boon to the team than deploying the Nuncio-Aquila imo
I'll probably go back to dog explosion however

>>568898546
>>568898716
>>568898884
>>568899043
/sm2g/ migrating everywhere instead of just staying with /coopg/ is still one of the things I cannot understand. Neither of the threads are fast enough for it to be a problem and sm2 is literally a /coopg/ game. Despite the posts, copeg is not a darktide general, it's for all coop horde shooters.

>>568924982
Isnt exec stance self sustaining?
Skittles aimassist reads like it needs capacity for every shot.
I dont even care about gun talents that arent about ammo economy.
A DMR and a revolver arent a big deal either.

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>>568925897
Some can't handle the banter despite xeir ceramite plating.

>>568925361
maybe Owcat called dibs, or the "reject" was the best way they found to sell you skins (and to also have people insult us on vox)

>>568913885
The space marine games are literally bolter porn 40k books made into a video game. Story is just enough to move the characters forward so
>THE BIG STRONG MAN SHOOT HIS GUN!
>SUCH CARNAGE!
>HIS RIBCAGE FALLS IN LIKE A SLAUGHTERHOUSE OF CARDS
>THEN THE BIG STRONG MAN HITS OTHER BIG STRONG MAN WITH HIS CHAINSWORD!
>SUCH DAMAGE!
>ABATTOIR!
>WET LEOPARD GROWL!

What I want is a deathwatch game that plays like an updated version of star wars republic commando. Let us choose the equipment for our 5 man kill team then play through the level. Different equipment would give different prompts, like a guy with a sniper rifle can be ordered to a perch and he'll take out priority targets at range, or a demolitions guy could blow a hole in a wall for a new way to advance the level, heavy bolter guy can set up at some terrain and run overwatch, that kind of shit. Multiplayer you just have people take over for the NPCs without missing a beat.

>>568926801
yeah I too love the deathwatch, probably the only sensible marine "chapter" alongside the Raven GUard

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>>568926225
we know the usual suspect

>>568925897
isn't it funny how literally every major co-op game except for darktide eventually makes an exodus from this "co-op" general
definitely coincidental and not at all indicative of anything

>>568927620
Vermintide made an exodus? News to me

>>568927620
Retarded tranny

>>568927620
>how literally every major co-op game
Helldivers 2, Space marines 2 (lol) and ...?

>>568927620
they can't accept fatshark is the only one able to create a proper coopgame

>>568927620
it's Summer already?