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Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!

/sthg/ #9364 - Human Edition

==NEWS==
>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversary
https://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary
>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027
https://x.com/SonicMovie
>'Sonic Live in Concert' Announced For US, UK, Starting September 2026
https://www.sonicstadium.org/articles/sonic/sonic-live-in-concert-announced-for-us-uk-starting-september-2026-r3441/
>Sonic Live in Concert
https://sonicliveinconcert.com/

==Comic Release Dates==
DC x Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #2 - 03 June 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #87 - 17 June 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog: 35th Anniversary Special - 08 July 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog x Godzilla #1 - 15 July 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 22 July 2026
Sonic the Hedgehog #89 - 05 August 2026

==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==
https://rentry.org/sthglinks
>Milestone pastebin:
https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4
>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet
>Perfect System Collection:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection
>Sonic comic scans:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics
>Sonic shows:
https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows
>SAGE
https://sagexpo.org/
>SHC
https://shc.zone/
>#10000 Project
https://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4r
>/sthg/ booru:
https://sthg.booru.org/
>/sthg/ CyTube:
https://cytube/r/sthg
>/sthg/ Pixel World:
https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthg

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‘onzie
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>>568990064
IDW will keep gaslighting that the absence of humans are due to contract reasons and not personal preference.
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We don't have drawfags.
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it seems our drawchads continue to live rent free in his head.
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>Where’s that DAMN fourth Chaos Emerald?
>Statler: Probably hiding from your dialogue!
>Waldorf: I would too. That line has been haunting the internet longer than some governments!
>DOHOHOHOHO!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb5Vr2Z00Ek
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>>568990226
This list is complete ass. Gimme the tier maker so I can fix it.
Gamma and Tails are way too high and Silver and Omega and especially infinite shouldbe way higher. Chaos 0 is also too high. Honey and Rouge as well. Metal and Kit are way too low and Eggman is a jerk and everyone loves him, he should be higher.
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>>568990226
Unpictured: God-tier.
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>>568990064
The real reason ABT doesn't want to draw human in Sonic is because Sonic Team would make him draw anime people and he doesn't want to do that.
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>>568990601
Why? He hate anime or something?
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>>568990601
ABT doesn't like anime?
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>>568990226
What's with all the Chaos want lately? Are we forgetting base Sonic beat Perfect Chaos in Generations?
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>Sonic and Shadow run off at super speed
>Waldorf: Well, there they go.
>Statler Fastest thing alive and saddest thing alive.
>Waldorf: Together at last: cardio and depression!
>DOHOHOHOHO!
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I heard Rouge wanted to fuck Espio. qrd?
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Tails!
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>>568990308
Gaslightning? What are you talking about? All of them had said in different posts sega is the one, filtering humans in the book, in fact some writers have said this sega rule is gonna change early in the future.
Why sega did it? for real I don't know, it didn't made any sense since the start of the adventure era, specially knowing how important station Square became, and the most important people in shadow's past (the second most popular character, just behind sonic) are two humans, both related to eggman.
G.U.N has a lot of background in the games and is really important in the movie lore, while soleanna is referenced a lot (for some reason)
Does the storybook series count? I mean shahra is a genie while merlina is some kind of elf.
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If it isn't the 4th wheel.
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>>568991085
You are what we call gullible.
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>>568990226
Shade beat both Sonic and Knuckles
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>>568990601
>>568990768
If some of you have read the dc crossovers you should have know by know the anime humans complain is extremely stupid.
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I think is hilarious the random unleashed npc unintentionally became a trans hater
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>>568991574
Same lol
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>>568991574
wtf qrd?
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>Zavok can have tits but not Rouge
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>>568991574
The Spagonia one?
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>>568991542
Disgusting. The honkey hero comlpex is repulsive.
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>>568990890
She was flirting with him in Chaotix Case Files audio drama (she flirts with any guy even though she's not interested in him though)
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>>568991542
Fuck, that Cream is so fucking cute, it melts my heart.
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Fall in love with rabbits.
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>>568990601
We need to bring Ben bates again.
He, probably the best sonic comic artist we ever had.
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do you know how it feels to be a surgefag who hates sonurge
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>>568990790
But anon!!! A bunch of Echidna thousands of years ago thought he was a god and called him a god of destruction! so that make shim god level by default!!!!

*rolls eyes.
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>>568991938
Sonurge is goat
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>>568991938
probably about the same as liking cream who hates vanilla
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If you disregard the romance Archie was more in-character than IDW. Fight me.
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>>568991716
Someone made a trans Sonic mod but didn't change NPC dialogue, so Lilli tells male to female trans Sonic that he can't go inside the women's dormitory.
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>>568992005
Those two things are also not really apples to apples.
Also your hatred of Vanilla is a scapegoat even by your admission though.
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I was working on my fangame and invented conveyer belts from first principals by accident.
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>>568991816
Yes
>>568991716
There was a Trans Sonic mod going around when Unleashed got recompiled, since is just a model swap, all of the dialogue in the game is the same. The funny thing is that one female npc denies sonic entering some girl dorm or something like that, I don't quite remember, so she comes across as transphobic unintentionally lol.
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>>568991938
Yeah, doesn't even make any sense, that girl lives to try to kill him.
Shipping disgusting character self insert, tails would make more sense, because she's literally programed to empathize with someone like him (horrible idea too.)

Surge is fine being her own person, until kit makes his master plan, because he's looking like the real villian right now on the book.
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>>568991542
Your pic is by Deegeemin. ABT draws wonky capeshit humans not Puyo-esque Sonic Channel humans. There is more than one kind of anime.
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>>568992050
I don't believe in beating on the disabled. IDW is OOC in more minor ways that matter a lot. Archie is OOC in Major ways that immediately turn heads.
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>>568990226
This starts to make sense when you realize jobbing seems to affect placement...
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>>568992005
Damn
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>>568992123
desu even if cream was never playable id probably still not like vanilla
but that probably is going into the psychology of me just not liking IDW and me registering vanilla as basically a unique character in that
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>>568990064
Do you guys think the humans in sonic will eventually genocide all the mobians like they did to the animal people in Dragon Ball?
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>>568992157
>because she's literally programed to empathize with someone like him
She isn't though. Starline programmed Kit to be subservient to her but not the reverse.
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>>568990226
Silverbros... I thought we were Sonic and Shadow level?
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>>568992178
Nta but Have you been living under a rock? The whole complain in the dc crossover is how abt makes dc look look way too anime, so some of them look really strange.
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>>568992339
How? Mobians are way stronger. I think. Eggman is the exception, right?
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>>568991938
I know the feeling too well. I was minding my own business liking her character when the ship discourse happened and made me just avoid talking about surge at all here. Especially how obviously people use it as some weird self insert thing or get really aggressive when their ship is being attacked, obviously this applies mostly to the one guy everyone knows here but still sucks not having to post cute pics of surge with some retard bringing up sonurge or replying to those posts with "sonic's wife", is so cringe.
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>>568992348
I said empathize, not being subservient to him, those are completely different things.
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>>568992440
These are Sonic Worldian Humans, they're much stronger and could beat Goku at the age of 6.
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>>568991902
>ben bates
>tracy yardley
>kenders writing insane bullshit
Archie had it good. We'll never relive that era of KINO again.
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>>568992484
>"sonic's wife"
I want Duofag to burn in hell
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>>568992339
More likely to interbreed like neanderthals.
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>>568992380
Everyone of these characters can still kill you thrice before you hit the ground if they really wanted to
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I think the /sthg/ Mansion should have a statue of guptil to greet people who enter.
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>>568992329
Interesting. Wanna elaborate?
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>>568992339
The opposite happened and humans are going extinct. Good riddance
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What are Shadow’s pronouns?
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>>568992575
Are earth humans weaker than Swordlian humans.

Is eggman an earth human or a swordlian human.

or wait it probably depends on the game

fucking hell

This would be so much easier if the worlds were just narrative devices and not literal.
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This might be the worst citation ever
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>>568992751
You're full of good ideas, anon.
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>>568992576
I don't know why penders is on the list man, he's not even a writer on that era of Archie, while he's the one responsible of the worst archie era.
Flynn is overhated too, because in reality he along with Tracy yardley were the ones who actually saved that book.
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>>568992751
Based
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>>568992630
Sonic's wife ugh cute.
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>>568992831
Ultimate/ boku
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Why is like 90% of Surge fanart with her hair down regardless of context?
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>>568993042
She looked good when the comic depicted with her hair down, so people started to draw her that way.
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>>568991938
Yes, being a Blazefag and all
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>>568993042
Because she has to look cute for Sonic.
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>>568992957
Kenders was gone by then but his ideas were still influencing the setting. He's unironically an amazing "ideas guy", as long as he doesn't write too much.

Flynn cleaning up pender's worldbuilding was an incredible combination that few give proper appreciation to.
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>>568992812
In particular I don't like the threatening trope IDW gave Vanilla where characters become scared of her.
It feels like an empty threat that's never going to go anywhere. Implies action but pulls back. And my whole thing about this franchise is the gameplay where the characters are just able to do things over the lore or narrative.
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>>568992630
Truly sad stuff.
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>>568992750
Douge
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Did Slashy finally kill himself?
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>>568993042
People desire what they can't normally see.
Because of the rarity of hair-down Surge, the more is drawn to showcase that.
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GTA6 will crash, sega will go bankrupt, sonic will become a beloved movie/animated cartoon franchise.
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>>568993381
And sex Icon.
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>>568993042
Because it makes me hard
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>>568993264
>>568992750
nooo Shadow don't do it you'll get pregnant
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>>568993170
Huh. Well, Vanilla has always been described as being strict though. I wouldn't expect her to rage out but her having a sort of quite smiling intimidation "but not really" factor is an anime trope that I think makes sense for her character imo.

I'm not really sure how this is relevant to the whole thing about gameplay though. Vanilla was never playable.
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>>568993042
Paps…
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Sonic's cute wife and mother of his children.
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>>568993337
That can't be it by itself or there would be no end to things people depict for that reason. Why this one specifically?
Also the oversaturation of it kinda ruins that no?
It's like when people make Shadow smile all the time. It makes his smiles less meaningful if you depict Mr. Unsmiley as regularly smiley
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>>568993157
I don't know, amazing ideas guy? He mostly stole things and ideas from superman, star trek and starters, while using some of Ben hurst settings.
Gosh he literally stole a jew poem of world War II but using furries.
Heck, in some panels, he literally uses the millennium falcon and the star trek ship.
The echidnas use a suffix in the name like Julie-su, lien-da or lara-su on the echidna girls because that's how the kriptonian family names on superman work.
He literally wanted to use the sonic comic as a meaning to an end to publish his magnus opus called the lost ones a really lame science fiction book)
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>>568993594
date your waifu yourself
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Sonic should have crossed over with Marvel instead.
And be written in Character so he can meet up with Spider-Man, and Windnic Inspires Spider-Man to be like the Wind and become numb to the bullshit the writers put him through and be free.
And of course we get Super Spider-Man, Super Sonic, Super Hulk, and Super Thor.
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>>568993678
>a jew poem of world War II but using furries
?????
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>>568993708
I wish Naka still worked at Sega just so we could get more stories about him being mean to SOA people
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>Do you like seeing me vulnerable, like this? Sonic?
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>>568993675
It’s hair.
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>>568993780
Oh you sweet summer child...
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>>568993735
>Sonic should have crossed over with Marvel instead.
No. FUCK off. Sonic makes way more sense crossing over with DC.
fuckin MCUfags need to hang themselves.
DC characters are timeless paragons. Marvelshit is flavor of the month.

>muh Spiderman
everytime.
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>>568993780
he's talking about picrel which was in the back pages along with the stuff that summarizes the plot and explains the lore. and that shit was kino
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If they didn't want people shipping Sonurge they wouldn't have made her straddle him for an entire page
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>>568993780
Aww man, you're in for a ride.
Take a look at >>568993894
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>>568993875
I want Wind-man and you cannot stop me, Paragonic will SAVE Marvel.
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Reminder
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>>568993894
oh this one
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>>568993875
>DC characters are timeless paragons. Marvelshit is flavor of the month.
in the 2000s this was used against DC and now people love DC for it
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>>568993894
Kek, classic penders, someone have the post about him inventing shit of Geoffrey taking Sally's virginity before sonic, you know, when she was still a goddam minor while Geoffrey had 27 years?
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Who here is drunk right now?
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>>568993506
Yes I know she's been shown as strict. I think IDW blows it out of proportion compared to the games.
And the games themselves had very little use of Vaniila, and is part of the reason why I register her more as an IDW character because IDW is doing more with her even if I don't like it.
Again I don't like IDW so I don't read it, but what has been done with Vanilla is one of those things.
>I'm not really sure how this is relevant to the whole thing about gameplay though
Is my general complaint is that the writing overrides the gameplay actions of the characters. And Vanilla's writing semi-reminds me of that because it feels like we will never see the action side of Vanilla who makes use of her rare foreboding presence . If she's supposed to be the protective parent of Cream and has yet to show the physicality of being able to do so because the writing just leans her to not doing so, then I think it's just worthless writing in a franchise where I enjoy playing the character smashing and running fast over anything else.
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>>568994214
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>Maria, I'm gay for my blue lookalike
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>>568994095
>adding a "~" to the end of her sentence where there wasn't any
>adding random blush when there wasn't any
>adding horrible AI art for a line that wasn't even sexual
This is funny levels of delusional. Also this just reminds me of the one female bakugo tsundere tweet which is just true I guess lol
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>>568994362
>Shado~ Film it for me... Please, I beg of you, rub your dicks together and cum...
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>>568994290
What the fuck?! He actually wanted to defend that?! wow, I've only saw the post about Sally's virginity.
Man, he wanted to talk about echidna penises.
>talks about how teens married 40 years old in the past.
Man, this is Killing me. hah!
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>>568993708
what shade of green would a Anon x Surge baby be?
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>>568994131
Flat characters always win in the end. Paragons are eternal.

>>568994023
https://youtu.be/ddsZTFSfXaw
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>>568993780
Geez what a newfag, is one of the most popular penders pics, along with his horrible anthro Geoffrey drawing.
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Plapping kit's ass until he has a belly full of cum, rape kit until he's addicted to my cock, unable to fight back as he enjoys my rapedick filling him, all 40 inches.
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I hate all this tsundere bullshit. Surge isn't a tsundere. She actually hates Sonic. Why do you NEED pictures of Surge blushing and tripping all over herself trying to impress Sonic like a shy school girl? Do you even like Surge? She has never acted like that. You posted an image of her getting embarassed trying to cook a meal in a maid outfit. You completely distorted the character into stupid bullshit. I can't stand Evan she's the one who enabled this crap with her redemption fetish.
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>>568994892
Why are you boo'ing me? I'm right.
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>>568994646
he drew lien-da foot fetish art as a "commentary on donald trump". Ken is your hardcore sonic autist.
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>>568994967
You hate character development and above all, Surge.
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>>568994269
>Is my general complaint is that the writing overrides the gameplay actions of the characters. And Vanilla's writing semi-reminds me of that because it feels like we will never see the action side of Vanilla who makes use of her rare foreboding presence . If she's supposed to be the protective parent of Cream and has yet to show the physicality of being able to do so because the writing just leans her to not doing so, then I think it's just worthless writing in a franchise where I enjoy playing the character smashing and running fast over anything else.
I feel like this is just a flawed way of looking at games in general. Not even just Sonic. Cream has a mom to emphasize her being a child and her mom is strict to compliment her being well mannered and polite.
She saves her in Advance 2. She serves her purpose by existing without needing to be playable. I dunno, I find it weird that you have this mentality like she is "supposed" to be playable and an action character or that only such characters should exist or be made. Where does this come from?
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>>568995167
What development?
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>>568994967
Nobody ever liked surge outside design, when she first appeared she got shipped woth Sonic and that has been the dynamic, this is fanon Surge, and like most fanon versions it's a warped version of character that doesn't exists becasue no one likes them, same with every other character in this franchise.
I hate it. OOC media needs to killed and fans mocked.
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>>568995167
that's not character development, that's just your forced headcanon.
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>>568995110
He is the same kind of autist chris-chan is but somehow managed to be a comic writer in the past.
I remember too how we never had a satam movie, because he got behind Ben Hurst back to show sega, this amazing thing

https://youtu.be/DNteN_qlHp0?si=L9BB80Hpb0975Lrw
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>>568994967
>I can't stand Evan she's the one who enabled this crap with her redemption fetish.
People were doing that stuff well before. And Evan is doing it because it's what people wanted even before she wrote anything with them.
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Everything points to Surge developing feelings for Sonic. She wants to he a hero because he inspires her.
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>>568995485
Her whole thing with being a hero was being happy she got seen positively for kicking his ass though. She thinks Sonic is a fraud.
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>>568995167
I hate this ship, but somehow this specific pic is cute. But garbage idea.
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>>568994967
it just self insert fantasy for the most part, crazy how delusional these people are that they have to create headcanons for surge personality so their ship is more solid, they truly believe it can be a real thing too. Only in the early archie era something like that would probably fly but there's no way in hell sega would allow it now lol
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>>568995545
>headcanon
The hero of the story is Sonic, and he inspires everyone, even Surge. Surge doesn't want to kill him anymore.
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Surge should be an gremlin that does bad things to fuck with Sonic, but not super evil, just an overall "bad person" Allowing her to help sometimes but most of the time just troublesome
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>>568995713
Yes, she fucks Sonic.
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>>568995374
This frame was the only one I liked
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>>568995773
Shut up, duo
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>>568995167
Surge was such an interesting character who jobbed too many times and now people post art of her getting flustered at Sonic like Boom Amy. This is death.
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>>568995773
Dry humps her pillow, while Sonic speeds like the wind*
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>>568995713
https://youtu.be/uK9ZidGfspA
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>>568995221
>I feel like this is just a flawed way of looking at games in general
And it's probably one of the many reasons why I wouldn't rank any of the Sonic games anywhere near my top 10. Except for SRB2.
And I only mention that because SRB2 has Tangle mod I enjoy immensely. The only time I was ever able to appreciate the character was because I was able to forgo what IDW does with her as I sling around with her tail mechanic.
That's what I like about this franchise. Funny animal characters that have traits that can do crazy acrobatics. This mod having so much power over me that it rinsed away my prejudices, to finally like something of this character in some capacity, to be able to be that character, means a lot to me.
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Only trannys hate Sonurge.
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>>568995006
Amazing kit fanart, too bad the artist only post on tumblr
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>>568995946
yum
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>>568996086
so cute
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>>568995881
Why care at all what is done with the characters in official media then? Just play fangames like SRB2 then.
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>>568995374
I remember the horrible early concept art he did for this movie idea, like the one where snively is robotizing a bear, or where sally is weeping with sonic because mobius was destroyed.
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>>568996086
In which universe emos have been seen as something cool? It was the most lame and poser thing at my time.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXWbrgb7Ltw
Stresser - cycle (S/T, 2025)
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Good Night.
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Have a goodnight
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>>568996215
Because I can.
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>>568996375
Rape.
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>>568996397
Goodnight
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>>568996401
So you just...want to be upset?
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>>568990226
>tails
LMFAO
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>>568990831
Fuck I want to kiss that thing in your pic
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>>568996775
Well, I do enjoy the cutscenes providing context for the levels.
Like Mad Space. I could have just ignored every cutscene and just ended up in hell knows where without having the context. Just floating in Mario Galaxy beta without really knowing why.
But knowing that I have the context that this is under a mega death laser at near full power does bring an air of intensity I do enjoy.
I am not entirely opposed to cutscenes exemplifying the atmosphere of the levels, but something like IDW I am opposed.
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>>568996086
Literally the only surge or kit image I've ever smiled or chuckled at. Shit characters. Funny image tho
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>>568997081
Why? You can just ignore it.
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>>568997427
Ignore IDW? I generally do.
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>>568997480
Apparently not enough given you hate Vanilla because of it. Vanilla hasn't even really appeared in it much either.
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>>568997687
I said generally. This is one of those times.
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Nicole simulate me a Vanilla who is extremely horny but also extremely motherly and I am her little boy. The simulation begins with her as if she just walked in on me masturbating.
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>>568998518
also make sure she's lactating heavily and needs me to nurse her. turn off safety features
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>>568998518
You should probably turn off the NSFW filter first if you haven't.
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>>568998587
>>568998587
oh never mind then
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>>568998612
God that show’s art style went to shit after season 1.
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>>568998612
A cat mom is fine too.
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I know some IDW staff what was the anon blabbing about last thread?

Also have a human Amy
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>>568998765
I'm one of those plebians that drew the line when the oval eyes got replaced with the circle eyes. I didn't stop watching the show, though sometimes I wish I had.
>>568998831
Yes.
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>>568999093
Hi Slashy
Some shitposter who claims to know everything so vague posts and says "Wait and see" and "If I say anything I will get in trouble"
And harassing the staff on twitter is not "knowing them"
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>>568999658
As the aforementioned shitposter, I'd appreciate if you'd at least recognize my successful baiting.
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>>568999759
Now that was a 9/10. Congratulations, anon
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>>568999759
It was a fairly good bit, I will admit.
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>>568999658
I do not harass staff on Twitter. I talk to them on discord.
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>>568999572
It’s not just the eyes, it’s everything. First pic looks like an orb on a stick. Second pic looks like something that was actually drawn with hands. It’s more dynamic, pretty much.
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>>568999759
It was not brilliant baiting people mostly did not believe you and you were very persistent to get people to believe you.
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Are you a storyfag or a gameplayfag?
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>>569000668
Both!
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>>569000668
lorefag
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>>568990226
There's so much wrong with this list that I'm convinced it's bait.
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>>569000668
neither, i'm just a fag
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>>569000331
>Discord harassment
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voryfag
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>>568999759
So you have been pushing this lie for months and just decided to give up?
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>>569000668
Story. No one even plays these shitty games.
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>>569000668
liking modern gameplay is like talking about the your favorite chair in the stripclub. who the fuck cares
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>>569000490
>>569001050
Mad cuz bad.
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>>569001334
I mean you knew about the discord server ABT and Evan were in but then you went off the deep end.
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>>569000334
I pretty much have a preference for season 1's designs too. Nicole in particular I think suffers from the redesigns the most.
I think one of my chief complaints is that the linework of season 1 wattersons has some sort of shimmering effect, and the rest of the show doesn't have that. There's something about it I find that gives a lot of life, even when they stand still, so I miss it dearly as the family don't have that energy as they blabber about their nonsense later on.
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Stop posting milfs. I'll cum.
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>>569001597
...
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>>569000668
Cutefanartfag
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>>568992393
>>568991542

Power Cream
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>>569000668
Fagfag
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Jesus...
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>>569000668
gameplay bisexual
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You wouldnt fuck this
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Most people here hate Sonadow. It's OOC.
But answer me this:
Which would be the LEAST OOC?
Sonic as the dominant one, or Shadow?
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>>569004237
Sonic as the dominant one
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News when
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>>569003584
>abdominal_bulge
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>>569000668
lore fag/asthetic fag, there's a reason the music cds are worth more than the games, it has the most fanfiction outside of kingdom hearts (for game related ff), and it has the most porn outside of pokemon,
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Sometimes in fanfics shadow says he doesnt want pity. Where did that come from even i can't remember shadow being mad at people for feeling bad for him.
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Wouldn't it be possible to feed an AI every single piece of dialogue in Canon Sonic games or content or interviews or tweets from creators so it can just autocorrect anything
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>>569006339
I think so
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>>569006339
what do you think ai chatbots are? did you think to look before asking?
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>>569006496
I might just built that. A Sonic Lore Oracle.
I have the free time, a giant amount of Sonic knowledge, and the know-how to built it.
My idea is an intelligent searchable knowledge engine. A REAL living encyclopedia crossed with a lore cop and a co-writer. I would make it biased heavily toward the Japanese content. I'd feed it scripts, interviews, bios.
Then you could feed it a story idea, dialogue, or fanfic scene, and it would tell you what aligns with canon, flags contradictions, explains character personalities, and offers fixed or expanded versions grounded in official material.
If I released it publicly...
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>>569007017
Sounds terrible
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>>569007070
Scared west nigger detected
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Seriously what's stopping me from collecting literally everything from the Japanese scripts and interviews and their translations and making a program that gives you a direct answer to any questions in English
Even the most obscure shit
And it wouldn't be forcing my headcanons either I'd include even stuff I don't like
I could mend the rift between jp and eng
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>>569007354
No one will need it when you can just look at actual sources than an ai that will more than likely twist some info regardless of what you wish it to be
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>>568994290
>there's no lavel such as bi- or gay, sex is only good for procreation
>teenagers want to fuck once they hit puberty
You may mock him, but penders is still the most normal writer who didn't grow up in a discord server.
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>>569007434
Except people don't fucking look at the sources. How do you think we got uwuver for pic related? It would also memorize obscure shit most fans simply don't know about, not even Ian.
"What would Sonic likely say in this situation?"
It could tell you.
"What game was directly after Sonic Heroes?"
It could tell you.
"What is the proof that Sonic reciprocates Amy's feelings?"
It could tell you.
"What did I get wrong in this fanfic I wrote?"
It could tell you.
"What color are Sonic's sneakers?"
It'd tell you they're red boots.
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Why cant I make myself get the hobbies I want? Like ill have nothing to do all day and I'll sit down at my laptop and tell myself to write a short story and instead I waste 2 hours smoking weed and watching shorts. Is this fucking normal or am I fucking disabled in someway?
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>>569007354
I mean, you seem to have the idea rolling around in your head. You should do it if you think it'll make a breakthrough for accuracy in the series.
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>>569003857
Drawabox is still a fucking scam.
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>>568994290
You know honestly I would not be even a little bit surprised if Penders had to deal with a fuckload of fan art and mail-in questions from horny teens especially during the 90's before the internet really blew up.
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>>569007783
Well if you are so pumped to get this ai slop set up, goodluck, again, no one will need it and its just waste of time
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>>569007963
I'd use it if it's legit.
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Why does 06 Amy look so much fuckable than any of her other game models?
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>>569008090
Larger a bit more human proportions, all 06 models look sexier than current ones
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Amy can turn invisible, for some reason
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>>569008090
More human-like proportions. Her torso actually looks like it has some plump to it rather than being a literal stick.
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>>569007783
hey, if I went up to sonic and said "hey, thanks for saving the world, that was pretty cool" what do you think he would say back?
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>>569008326
He'd probably say something like "ew, take a fucking shower you freak, don't touch me. Why are you breathing so hard and weird?"
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>>569007915
Overall, it would be orders of magnitude more reliable than asking Grok, ChatGPT, or even most dedicated Sonic fans. It becomes the closest thing to a "living canon oracle" the fandom has ever had. There would be no need for the jackasses over at the wiki anymore.
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>>569008326
"It was nothing" and then speeds off.
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>>569008610
Ooc of the highest order. Sonic would puke looking at Amy vag
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>>569008615
>You read the latest issue of IDW. You actually think the content in it is alright for once.
>Buuuut is it really just "alright"?
>Ask the Pure Sonic Canon Bot if Sonic would say and do this.
>It says no and states what Sonic WOULD say and do if it was accurate.
>Looks like it was just another slop issue that you can't even call Sonic like all the others *tosses the issue into the trashcan*
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>>569009213
Change the last bubble to nuke isreal and it's perfect
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You know, thinking about it from Flynn's perspective, he probably thought for most of his childhood that Sally was the original Sonic love interest and comparing Amy to Sally isn't really fair for either character so I can see why he doesn't like her.
He was forced to trade-in a tomboy action princess for a generic "I'm so girly teehee" pixie girl.
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>>569009414
I don't see it. "Nuke Archie" or "Nuke IDW" would be kinda funny.
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>>569009487
That doesn't mean he has the right to ruin Amy's character. It's petty, immature, and hateful of him to do that
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>>569009620
I'll agree its petty and immature but not really hateful.
What Evan does to Shadow and Silver? Now that's hateful and spiteful.
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>>569008654
incredible
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>>569009370
The IDW staff can stop people from being disappointed with their comic because of my Oracle by using my Oracle.
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Spending my night browsing rekt threads. What are you non-americans doing?
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Suggest changes for my Sonic canon level hierarchy.

>Level 1 - Highest Priority:
Japanese game scripts, cutscenes, in-game text, manuals, and direct Sonic Team statements.

>Level 2 - High priority:
Sonic Channel content, bios, calendar stories, Sonic PICT, Cover Stories, Otherworld Comedy, etc. Developer interviews by Sonic Team, Japanese strategy guides.

>Level 3 - Mid high priority:
English localizations of games, statements by Sega of America, Flynn's "Sega said this" type statements. These only surface when they don't contradict Level 1 or 2, or when the query asks about Western continuity.

>Level 4 - Mid low priority:
Sonic X, Japanese versions of official games that considered noncanon, various Japanese manga or localizations, maybe Murder of Sonic, crossovers maybe

>Level 5 - Low priority:
IDW, Ian statements or opinions, Evan statements or opinions, reboot Archie, Sonic Prime, Twitter takeovers, Sonic movies or Sonic Boom maybe idk

>Level 6 - Lowest priority:
SatAM, AoStH, Fleetway, preboot Archie, the Lara su Chronicles, IDW artist opinions, fan works, these never surface unless explicitly referenced
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>>569009487
He should have played the games
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>>569010843
sega of japan just wants sonic and company to be ageless "fairies" who are no more than soundbites for hello kittle level brand recognition. we want characters, they make mascots
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>>569011475
You deserve to be btfo by a machine
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wondering how many people here are activly reading the new sonic manga, free of american influence that so many of you seem to find so evil and disgusting, I never see anyone reference it when talking about depicting sonic https://mangadex.org/title/9a820bfd-7f10-4655-a857-0eed371549ef/sonic-to-yuuki-no-tsurugi
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>>569010843
"Sonic Team Statements" aren't a thing. Stuff said by Naka, Oshima, and Iizuka will conflict. In some cases, its just marketing speak and subject to change.

The levels generally are:
Canon (stuff in games, Japanese versions a priority).
Extended Canon (Sonic Channel, IDW, whatever cartoon they're pushing at the moment, Speed Simulator).
Non-canon (Everything else).

Statements like Hoshino's "Eggman Nega isn't dead" mean nothing if they don't translate into the games. It's not as bad as Ian's bumblegrift stuff but still should be taken with a grain of salt.
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>>569011840
yeah?
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>>569010843

>Level 0.5
No weebs allowed. The only opinions that matter are Japanese ones. Unless the user can confirm they are Japanese, their opinion means nothing.
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>>569011912
>Sonic Channel on the same level as IDW and Speed Sim
lmfao (You)
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>>569012108
how very weeb of you
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/sthg/ got what they fucking dessert.
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>>569012215
Sad but true. See Sticks being in Sonic Channel but verboten from showing up now.
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>>569012254

Yes, I masturbate every day to Japanese opinions. It's my fetish.

Daniel Barnes is the name. Xenocentrism is the game.
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Which character would watch ISIS and drug cartel executions?
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People on here acting like if japan had full control, they would make sonic not a children's franchise, like it would make it good by default. mother fuckers here actually doing the place (japan) meme irl for sonic, you guys think they will turn sonic into evangelion without western influence and it won't be something to be embarrassed about liking any more.
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>>569012881
I can't believe IDW is the only thing keeping Sonic games cool
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>>569000668
Yes.
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>>569012881
Lmao cope harder.
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>>569012970
by being lamer than the games
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>>568990064
What if humans and Sonic characters eloped? Omg, why hasn't anyone thought of this before???
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>>569012970
wild how sonic frontiers, one of the most western influenced sonic games, was the most successful in japan,
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anons, is it really worth it to get any of the sonic games on PC just for modding purposes?
i'm asking this not just on the basis of being a consolefag, but also because of that 30 dollar bundle deal on steam
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>>569013191
This is ooc as fuck
Swap their positions
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>>569012741
Belle
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Archiefags seething at the prospect of anon btfoing their shit influence and jpchads having more sources to correct them
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>>569012881
The best games were directed by Iizuka, the supposed west bootlicker. Notice that as soon as he leaves the director's chair, the franchise starts flying in random directions, and right after they make the utter failure that is the most japanese Sonic game to exist (Sonic 2006)
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>>569013119
Frontiers was Japanese-influenced, not west-influenced. It was meant to feel like a seinen manga according to Sonic Team
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semen manga
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>>569013572
iizuka didn't leave being a director in 2006 he was put on rivals but i dont understand why he was working on a handheld instead of the main game when he was the most experienced
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>>569013836
>aim for Beserk
>get Dragon Ball
Sonic Team fucking sucks.
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>>569014257
Seething westranny
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Why was she chasing Sonic and why did her hammer get bigger
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>>569014821
Sonic's resistance only makes Piko Piko Hammer harder
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/vg/ was a mistake
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>>568992339
Mobians aren't a thing in the games so no.
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Sonic
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Silver
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>>569010843
>Otherworld Comedy
Since the chaotic Casefiles you should have known it isn't canon
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>>569016624
Chaotix Casefiles? Lower level than that. :^)
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>>569013836
>it was meant to be X by sonic team
>turns out as a parody every time
>shadow the hedgehog, sonic 2006, forces and now this
Pathetic.
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Shadow
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>>569016717
You are going to remember the Casefiles like it or not when Infinite returns next game
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>>568994967
Sonurge "fans" are incredibly misogynistic and see her like a meat trophy and not as a person which is why they water down her character as a tsundere who humiliates herself so Sonic (their implied self insert) fucks her
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>>569016725
There was nothing wrong with the story. The final boss was just lame. And Knuckles talking about leaving his duty was stupid. The rest was fine
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>>569016937
>misogynistic
My god shut the fuck up you fake hole.
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>>569017067
He's right
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>>569017064
"None of this is good."
-Knuckles
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Amy
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Metal
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FEARnic let out the breath he was holding, knowing he has no chance against titanBULLS in a fight without the chaos emeralds
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Sonic should take inspiration from whatever currently the popular manga of that the route were going down
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>fastest living thing
>couldn't outrun Wyvern
Sonic is SLOW
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>>569017490
The Uzumaki siblings and their feelings
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>>569017969
Sonic stomps everyone of these guys including Jura
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>>569017490
Sonic should take inspiration from tokusatsu.
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>>569017490
Let's see. The current most popular mangas that appeal to the power level crowd. All style, 0 substance:
>Jujutsu Kaisen
>Demon slayer (it wasn't finished when Sonic Frontiers 2 started development)
>One piece
Then there is Dandadan but I didn't watch this.
Pick your poison
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>>569017969
>>569018214
>>569018460

Sonic could easily do the same numbers if they went full force in that market
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>>569007728
He has better autism than Flynn.
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>>569018460
I'll pick JJK because I like senseless fun (see takaba vs kenjaku) and well done animation
Shit on the story all you want (it is pretty trash) but it still does the job better than any modern sonic game story
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>>569018460
Demon slayer is on fraud watch
>>569018105
Doubt it he definitely outspeeds
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Sonic Frontiers 2?
More like Sonic Nuts & Bolts. Open Zones are made for vehicles.
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>>569018923
Jura is literally just Cosmo but opposite
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>>569018984
Sonic Frontiers: Live & Reloaded
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>>569016624
Casefiles show that O.C isn't canon?
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>>569018460
JJK would bring back Sonic vs Nazo or vs the Mecha Sonic animations except now there's more powerscaling discourse and fraud watching
>Demon slayer
Sonic is nice and gentle there are more japanese tropes and every villain gets a long sad backstory cutscene sequence
>Dandandan
Sonic is now romcom and into conspiracy theories
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>>569019059
>Wants to understand love specifically from the nine tails

I can see him being redeemed
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Marxio Bros
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You will get Switch 2 Frontiers and you will be happy
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I found a silverfish in my fucking attic where is sleep. I am afraid of sleeping now.
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>>569019526
I would too, that's how I missed out on finding the rare Diamondfish.
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>>569019275
His habit of asking about love after whooping ass is getting annoying kek
>>569019153
Surge is literally here to answer all that
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Tomorrow we're gonna see the reveal of Sonic Crossworlds final 3 free characters and the reveal of Sonic Frontiers definitive edition, are we excited?
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>>569019526
Hire and exterminator
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what if eggman ate the cucky
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>>569019859
No
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>>569019969
Tails, anus would go unused, and die single.
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Imagine this as a blobian and haunting me at night.
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>>569019719
Himawari my beloved
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>>569020071
Sex wih it.
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>>569020071
A dozen of these crawling under your skin lol
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>>569020205
NOOOOO AAACK
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what if sonic ate the picky
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>>569020313
funny how ingame they're aggressive while irl they are harmless and cowardly.
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>>569019526
*frightens you*
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Happy pride month!
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Man, all this stuff about creatures from your walls sucking your brains dry while you sleep reminds me of this show I started watching recently.
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>>569020090
does she align more water like kit or wind lile tails?
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>>569020490
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>>569020554
Actually, it's men's mental health awareness month.
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Whom is your favorite LGBTQ+ Sonic character?
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>>569019137
Otherworldly comedy implies Infinite is tired and doesn't want to depend on something else to be strong
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>>569020554
Gay nighers should be hanged
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>>569020880
None because there are no canon faggot characters
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>>569020279
Fucks up his health due to flickies being highly toxic and carries of varies germs
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>>569020893
Wasn't that Infinite not actually real iirc?
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>>569020880
Whisper but she is for straight sex with human men
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>>569010843
Would web content like Mania Adventures / Rise of the Wisps / Divergence / Dark Beginnings / Trio of Trouble be level 1, 2, or 3?
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>>569019153
>bring back
Those were always Fanon.
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>>569014821
There still isn't really a reason in the story she just kind of does for no reason.
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>>569020279
That's haram. Sonic fasts
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>>569021640
My fwarking hero fucking goats and investing civilians with a truck.
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>>569020965
If you want to believe that sure. The story doesn't make it clear. But I doubt Infinite would react so positively about himself being a fake copy of someone else
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>>569010843
>>Level 1 - Highest Priority:
>Japanese game scripts,
This is already flawed because you can look at five fan translations and they'll give you five different results. Just look at BoC.
>muh Windii!
Yes, because deifying a single person in the Sonic fandom always turned out so well. She's not as good at picking up nuance as the recent wave of weebs like to think she is, which is why her work is always better when she's in a team.
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>>569019526
>afraid of this
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>>569020554
A 13 years old girl was found dismembered by a gay man this weekend in my town
Happy pride month
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>>569021909
>anon
>there's no time to explain i need to suck your dick
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>>569022023
That's the man's problem, not his sexuality's
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>>569022023
What
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>>569020554
Happy pide month my fellow sodomites and child molesters
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>>569022023
Life sentence?
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>>569022056
With that?
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PSYCHO MANTIS?!??
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>>569022414
I think he looks cute, sonic should never ever look like this but I still like it
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>>568990226
>Shadow will never live down that time Tails fended him off in Sonic Battle
Wasn't Shadow also losing against Tails until Rouge managed to separate him from Sonic in IDW? kekaroo
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>>569022531
Same
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>>569022023
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Zeti men
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????
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>>569022856
Standard Sonic Battle nonsense
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>>568991542
Cream is so fucking sexy
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>>569022531
Kill yourself archie elias sally nigger.
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>>569022983
If Cream existed in real life she'd have to fight off so many men trying to fuck her
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>>569022584
Emerl was literally right there doing most of it
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>>569022856
Because he is practically a god, anon. He has as many magic hands as a kitsune has tails, and graciously holds back from using them for reality's sake.
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>>569023015
did you miss the part where i said "sonic should never ever look like this"
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Stay indoors, no one can hurt you if you aren't near them to begin with
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Shadow is a manlet
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>>569023349
It's too fucking hot outside anyway
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>>569022584
They go out of there way to write that shadow was injured and recovering.
He wasnt fighting Shadow at full power. Later on Shadow fights gull power Emerl 1v1, something only he and Sonic actually can muster at all.
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>>569022584
>Tails will never live down that time he couldn't fend him off from his ladyfriend in Sonic X (the show where everyone was nerfed to near-uselessness except the male hedgehogs)
>>569023063
Emerl was in "defend me" mode with little battle data to be fair.
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>>569023048
Battle royal where strong muscular men like me fight to the death for the right to impregnate that child rabbit
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>>569023797
>everyone loses to Cheese because he is ridiculously OP
how does a chao mate with a nonchao?
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Today is the month, so i'm legally allowed to post the first canon homosexual representation.
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>>569023663
>everyone was nerfed to near-uselessness except the male hedgehogs)
They weren't though. Knuckles is respected as a fighter, even shown being able to force Shadow to pull off inhibitors.
X if anything showed Amy as way more physically capable than the average game did at the time.
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>>569023872
https://files.catbox.moe/2fkupp.png
Like this I assume
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Heroes!Cheese's soulless stare
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>OFF! BRAND!
>Allows sonic boom and hollywoodnic to exist
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>>569024184
Being on brand and bring in line with canon are not the same thing.
Movieverse and Boom are on brand.

Its Sonic, Tails knuckles and Amy as adventurers fighting Eggman and his robots + ancient mysteries and stuff.
Movieverse as well.
SatAM/Archie are Sonic being a freedomfighter with a completely different cast of characters sneaking around subverting robohitler.
>but Forces!!!
Forces having Eggman win for one game isnt the same as that as all and you need to cope.
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>>569024475
>it's on brand if it's those characters instead of these characters
bull. shit.
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>>569024184
Speedunning japan's extinction with low birth rates and social isolation.
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Shadow the edge.
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>>569023969
>They weren't though.
Yes the heck they were, including Knuckles AND Amy. Compare them to what they do in the games, and they are ALL super nerfed.
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My OC is better than yours.
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>>569024985
lol jk what no one saw that
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All my life I've been fighting
For the right to make my stand
Scream my anthem to the night
Hold the power in my hand

I'm gonna do it my way
Or not do it at all
Taking the world on my terms
I'll take it by the balls

I'm fighting for justice
For the Mobian way
I believe in what I do
And I mean what I say

You got it, the right to rock
We've got it, the right to rock
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>>569025083
My oc is cool and cute, definitely not a whore
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>>569025086
>"Zeti Men railing my oc into a slutty mess lol"
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>>569024630
Thats being reductive but yes the characters are relevant to the brand, are you stupid?
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>>569024154
what's up with this little guy anyway
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>>569025468
He wants to fuck Amy.
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>>569025459
REALLY!? ERr i mean nah uh why would my oc do such a thing
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>>569025075
>Compare them to what they do in the games,
Sonic himself doesn't do the level of shit he does in gameplay, dummy.
List things Amy and Knuckles do in the games that are greater showings than X (they must be games that were out before X ended)
Hardmode: no using vsdebate brained powerscaling using gameplay.
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>>569025461
archie got those "brand defining" characters and had them overshadow the freedom fighters in archie's latter half when Ian was writing. and it still got the "offu brando" label.
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>>569025083
My OC's pain is far greater than yours
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>>569025653
Keep up with Sonic, for one.
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>>569025663
>ignoring everything else I said.
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>>569025616
plot twist, zavok didn't even do anything
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>>569025468
Heroes version of Cheese is based on the neutral-expression Chao from the Adventure games, whereas Cheese everywhere else is far more expressive because they realized you can't give him a deadeyed stare if he's going to be a recurring character.
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>>569025726
And there it is.
That was always a gameplay thing, anon.
The games went out of there way to de-emphasize their speeds the more they could because you were never meant to think everyone was as fast as and had superspeed like Sonic.
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>>569025854
>That was always a gameplay thing, anon.
No the heck it isn't, that's part of the character's actual abilities, especially with Amy because she actively got faster and more capable immediately after SA1.
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>>569025616
Would Zeti-electronic-mindscrewing work on robots advanced enough to have free will?
Specifically X since Zero MIGHT be masking his "free will" and most reploids are imperfect.
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>>569025925
>coping still
This is the Tailsfag isn't it.
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>>569025758
because everything else you said is bullshit
>robothitler
on brand
>sonic being a freedom fighter
sonic hanging around his pals and they help him fight / he helps them fight. the same shit in every sonic media ever
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>>569026010
You can't sit here and tell me only Sonic & Shadow are fast when Sonic Heroes' entire story can ONLY HAPPEN AT ALL if even Big is moving at supersonic speeds, because all four teams go through all the same levels at the exact same time, and they're ALL in a rush and they're constantly moving from A to B.
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>>569025994
They controlled Gemerl and Metal so probably.
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>>569024184
>kills Sonic Synergy and Legacy Sonic
>removes all mentions of Mobius from movie script
Ur welcome
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>>569025994
I don't see why not.

>>569026024
>robothitler
Off brand
No thr animal capsules are not "roboticizers". He puts animals into robots to power them. He isnt turning em into robots on some nazi gas chamber shit.
>>569026024
>sonic hanging around his pals and they help him fight / he helps them fight. the same shit in every sonic media ever

You're still coping. Sonic in Archie is going around on "missions" in order to topple Robotnik.
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>>569025087
Post the sissy edits
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>>569026134
Sonic Heroes is explicitely gameplay over story.
The idea it can "only happen if gameplay" is shit you made up.
Also Heroes goes out of its way to make Tails and Knuckles slower in that game anyway.
These are consequences of them needing to work within a gameplay style rather than literal interpretations of the characters.

Anyone with a brain gets this and accepts this.
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>>569025854
>>569026010
nta but I'm an amyfag and what's this
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>>569025994
Zeti control tech via controlling "Magnetic fields", not completely sure how it works, but the likes of Zero and X can possibly resist their powers due to resisting things like Sigma Virus
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>>569026268
he still gathers them against their will and consumes their energy for his robots, which is still pretty evil and sadistic, retard-kun.
>Sonic in Archie is going around on "missions" in order to topple Robotnik.
still not off brand
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>>569026134
The way I see the Heroes/Advance3 formations is that the followers somehow siphon off the leader's ability. Ironically, the original tag-team game, Knuckles' Chaotix, didn't do this to the supporting character, presumably because player-two can still control them like Tails following Sonic.
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>>569025994
What I want to know is if Metal copied Zavok, if he'd be able to control machines like him or if doing that would practically give him a stroke.
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>>569026909
Don't see why it would give him a stroke
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>>569024184
Boom was supposed to be a reboot so
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>>569026471
I literally said "game that came out before X finished"....
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>Zeti data succesfully copi- ACK!
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>>569026612
You're adding things and embellishing it yo try and make it sound more hitlerian than it is ever portrayed in the games.

>still no-
Yes it is
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>>568991542
I just realike diske the fact that the whole purpose of the DC Universe Crossover is having Sonic characters play dress up ''Sonic but thing''.
As if the clash of universes and heroic idelogies concept it wouldn't be enough, you need to have Sonic dressed as Flash and Shadow as Batman for the kiddies to understand their archetypes, when in reality they're dumbing down the characters to their most basic traits.
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>>569026431
>Also Heroes goes out of its way to make Tails and Knuckles slower in that game anyway.
No? They clearly keep up with Sonic the entire game.

The exact speed of each individual character is not the same outside of Sonic & Shadow, but everyone is relatively fast especially in relation to each other within each time.

Big can keep up with Amy & Cream who can both keep up with Sonic, for example.

Any idea that any of these characters is "slow" is completely false.

This is a VIDEOGAME franchise, these are VIDEOGAME characters. What the game characters can do in the game, is what the character can do, period. Otherwise, it simply wouldn't exist.
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>Reddit has Blazecucks crying about her match up with Shadow
>Xwitter has JJKcucks crying about their loss in DB
Somehow this place is calmer
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>>569027293
Anon, its to promote the DC crossover toys.

>>569027298
Shut up Sparky.
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>>569026887
Actually this might be true to an extent. Can't you lose some of your characters in rival battles? I recall Speed and Power characters play close enough by themselves, but solo Fly types actually play differently since they're not lifting other characters. Cream even has her Cheese attack back.
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>>569027298
>This is a VIDEOGAME franchise, these are VIDEOGAME characters. What the game characters can do in the game, is what the character can do, period. Otherwise, it simply wouldn't exist.
This is obviously not true to anyone being honest. Unless you believe Sonic literally dies in 1 hit if he isnt holding a ring.
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>>569027258
You are the one bullshitting your way through, buddy
>Yes it is
If Sonic can go on missions for GUN in hollywood then it's perfectly fine to do so in other media.
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>>569027531
Sonic partly working for G.U.N if that fits his goal and interests is cool
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Your homework, /sthg/: how many hits does it take to kill a ringless hedgehog when factoring gameplay/story segregation? I expect your written reportss by Friday.
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>>569027686
Depends on how strong you are
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>>569027686
I'm dropping out.
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>>569027618
>Sonic saving the day is cool if it fits his interests
So what Sonic does in every media ever?
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>>569027528
I don't get why so many of you treat the series like you have to write your own fanfiction version of what even happens in any game as if what the characters are shown to able to do on-screen can't possibly what they can actually do.
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>>569027767
Some people oppose Sonic working with large organizations entirely for some reason
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>>569027686
As much as the plot demands
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>>569027686
I graduated from school specifically to never have to write anything ever again
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>>569027834
>Sonic the freedom fighters associate in Archie, the off brand and ooc comics
>Sonic the diamond cutter associate in IDW, the canon and ic comics
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>>569027618
I truly do wonder how this general would react if Sonic accidentally killed thousands of people in a game on accident because of his ideologies
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>>569027298
Anon, Sonic literally is grabbing Tails and Knuckles to super dash them through a section because they arent even close to as fast as Sonic truly is in the Heroes intro.
>>569027531
Sonic being asked for help isnt the same thing though. He's done it in Shadow05 and part time copped in Wakuwaku.
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So apparently some leaker posted beta footage of Frontiers 2 (codename Wolf) somewhere? Where?
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Heroes literally starts with a cinematic of Sonic needing to hold onto Tails and Knuckles so that when he speeds up, they don't get left behind.
Sonic, weighed down by Tails and Knuckles, is that much faster than either of their top speeds.

This doesn't contradict gameplay, because Sonic simply never goes that fast in Heroes' gameplay unless you count the Light Speed Attack, but if you do then that means Sonic without any speed cores can oneshot enemies that Knuckles with three power cores cannot, and all the same Tails and Knuckles cannot hope to keep up with Sonic while he does it because they simply don't and have to wait until he stops performing the move.

Also, by making Knuckles run as fast as Tails can propel himself, it means that, on foot, Knuckles is far faster than Tails is.
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>>569027960
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>>569027980
They will likely keep glazing him, just like how they do right now despite his unwillingness to finish off Eggman leading to perils of billions of lives
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>>569027980
>on accident
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>>569027818
Anon, youre the one writing your own fanfiction. I accept that not everything in the gameplay is meant to be taken literal because that is and always has been the nature of videogames.
You're the one bitching about things "nerfing the characters" because you treat characters as these things that exist seperate from their context.

The series more consistently always treats Sonic as having Superspeed and everyone else being varying levels of "able to keep up" when its convenient for gameplay.

Whenever it is time for it to matter for story, its gone.
Emerl in Sonic battle gets superspeed from Sonic.
In Heroes itself, Tails makes a big deal about how the roads in Grand Metropolis give him a boost to keep up with Sonic.
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>>569027416
>Anon, its to promote the DC crossover toys.
I know, but that souldn't mean I should be happy with it.
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>>569028004
>Heroes literally starts with a cinematic of Sonic needing to hold onto Tails and Knuckles so that when he speeds up, they don't get left behind.
They were caught off guard by crumbling ruins, anon. This doesn't happen anywhere else in the game. It's just a "hey these are the character types you'll be playing as in this game, Power is useful because power, Flight is useful because flight, and Speed is useful because uh gottagofast"
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>>569028004
This is cope. They are on a time crunch in Heroes.
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Mashallah
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>>569028004
>>569027981
Tails and Knuckles themselves by design are meant to keep up with Sonic.

Keeping up with Sonic is Tails' core ability and why his flight even exists in the first place.
Knuckles is Sonic's rival whose as strong as Sonic is fast, and "Power" itself is speed + strength, which is what he'd need in order to actually BE Sonic's rival in the first place.

Sonic in Heroes has the Light Speed Dash as a regular skill he can use throughout the whole game whenever there's a trail of rings. Tails & Knuckles keep up with Sonic throughout the entire game from Seaside Hill to Final Fortress. The story shows them together all the time, going from each level to the next altogether. Sonic doesn't slow down for anyone, he just does what he wants, so its up to anyone else to keep up with him. That's how he met Tails in the first place.

Sonic & Tails became friends because Tails pushed himself to keep up with Sonic, while Sonic just let him do what he wants, and they became genuine friends like "brothers" over the course of Sonic 2 as a whole.

To suggest that Tails & Knuckles have no hope of keeping up with Sonic in Heroes so he must be slowing down for them or whatever else, contradicts all three characters at their core.
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>sonic is blistering fast, that's why he needs his friends in Heroes instead of just solving everything in seconds by himself
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>>569028312
"Caught off guard" my ass. They frame it as needing Sonic's speed to go fast enough to get through. They arent shown surprised or off guard at all.
Compare to when Sonic is about to fall earlier in the intro and Tails catches him to save him.
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>>569028586
Shut up Sparky. Go back to powerfagging on Twitter.
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>>569028860
My Twitter account got suspended, for "inauthentic behavior", despite the fact that I have never done any "inauthentic behavior" in the first place.
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>>569028963
People here used to call you ChatGPT for a reason.
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>Sonic, Amy and Espio hold their teammates' hands the entire game
haha gay af lol.
Chadow wins again babyyyy
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>>569029120
WHAT reason!? I am not an AI. I don't post AI content.
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>>569029175
You talk like a chatbot dummy
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>>569028312
No they weren't, the ruins were already crumbling at that point, Knuckles was smashing them, Sonic only grabs onto Tails and Knuckles when he realizes they aren't going to make it.
>>569028516
Sonic is more than fine with being late if it means helping his friends.
>>569028597
Sonic said he didn't need his friends in Heroes, twice, the first after they beat the Egg Emperor, where Knuckles thought it was a tough fight, Sonic says it wasn't, Knuckles says Sonic would've been if he was alone and Sonic agrees, we see later in Generations that Sonic can beat the Egg Emperor by himself, so it's clear that Sonic means it'd actually be close.
Sonic also says he'd handle Metal Overlord by himself as Super Sonic and it's everyone else who insists on pitching in, taking Sonic aback.
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>>569029175
You communicate like a bot.
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>>569029120
Also not so sure about that, if that's the right Sparky
https://x.com/SubsonicSparkIe
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>>569029175
They way you type.
No one does this lame "N-nani?!" shit in image boards unless they're roleplaying, shitposting, a robot, or in your case, massively autistic.
If you talked the way you posted, people would think that you are autistic, children post like that.
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>>569029243
Then I have to wonder if you think Sonic Heroes is trying to say anything by putting Sonic into this situation when he's an omnipotent God compared to everyone else.
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>>569029226
What the heck does that even mean!?

I don't talk like any stupid chatbot, I talk like MYSELF.

WHat, does paragraphs and grammar or whatever automatically translate to "it must be AI" to you guys !? That's STUPID.

Is the only way to not be confused for AI is to act like you've never learned how to write properly, or whatever!? Or to use as few words as possible and mispell everything or speak in like some kind of text speak or whatever!?

The whole concept of trying to accuse anyone of being an AI for the way they write, is pure nonsense. I saw a post on twitter the other day about this, about how stupid it is for someone to be accused of being an AI just 'cause they use words like "Essentially" or some kind of line break or whatever, when anyone can use those grammatical choices or whatever if they so choose just for the sake of clarity in writing.

I ain't no stupid AI, I am ME and Nobody Else.
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>>569029328
I don't know who this is, I only know one sparky and he's the one here right now.
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>>569029456
At this point i'm not sure if you are baiting or actually this autistic

>>569029536
That's the same guy who created that one nearly 8 hour long video about Sonic CD calling it a masterpiece
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>>569029328
That is not me.
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>>569029684
You two certainly seem similar
https://youtu.be/ORJryigA0Ck?si=WwsAd7CK5Ger-_Fu
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Do you think Jet will ever get over his broken heart? He can always try to date Shadow or Silver if he couldn't make his relationship with Sonic work
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>>569029456
If you were to type a college papers these days, it might unironically get clocked for AI usage. It's not nonsense, there's a difference between speaking properly and speaking robotically.
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>>569029627
>At this point i'm not sure if you are baiting or actually this autistic
I don't know what you're talking.

Nothing in the post I made is "bait" for anything.

I'm not autistic either.

I'm frustrated at this whole "AI" accusation. Why is it a problem for me express whatever I'm feeling in how I write?!

>>569029717
I am not him, I did not make that video, I am not British or whatever the heck he is.
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Sonic isn't a speedster, he's a lightning bruiser and has human (if still impressive) reaction times
Humans can reasonably control cars moving at 400 km/h and more, now imagine how easier it is when you move with your body with all its dexterity instead of using a coffin on wheels
Time stop bullshit from movies is not canon
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>>569029778
>I don't have dingleberries
You do
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Cream might be the fastest flyer in the canon besides metal sonic
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>>569030053
and Charmy
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>>569029243
>Sonic is more than fine with being late if it means helping his friends.
You made this up
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>>569030146
Charm has the best midair mobility, then rouge, tails, and cream
Cream is the fastest, then tails, rouge and charmy
Rouge is the most well rounded and physically the strongest, then charmy, cream and tails,
And tails has the highest elevation, then rouge, then cream then charmy.
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>>569028541
We need more homophobic transphobic Muslim representation in Sonic so that gay honkies and negros can go to Hellfire
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>>569029807
"Time Stop" is a special move Sonic uses in Sonic Adventure 2: Battle's 2 player mode.

Sonic absolutely is a speedster. He is literally faster than light, his core ability is being a speedster. He is not human. He is a cartoon.

Sonic is the Roadrunner crossed with the Flash. No, Sonic is the Roadrunner taken as seriously as the Flash despite still being a "toon" where he is fast because he is simply just that fast.

He is a cartoon speedster with Flash-level speed because Toon Force and Rule of Cool.
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>>569030320
>"Time Stop" is a special move Sonic uses in Sonic Adventure 2: Battle's 2 player mode.
The GayCube versions aren't canon.
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>>569030437
Time Stop is in both versions of the game.

The Gamecube version only gives the extra characters their own personalized move sets as well.
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>>569029441
I believe that 2003 was the first time Sonic wank was in full effect, Sonic is framed as being firmly above Knuckles in Battle and in X as well, with both of them being released in the same year as Heroes, the game where Sonic can oneshot enemies Knuckles cannot just by hitting them really hard.
Before 2003, Sonic was special, arguably the best, but he wasn't the best full stop, nor was he perfect, after, he is shown, visibly, to be stronger than Knuckles and there are statements made in game to support that, such as the post-Egg Emperor dialogue where Sonic basically says he didn't have to try after Knuckles said that fight was a close call.

I also want to make it clear, if it isn't already apparent, that I fucking hate brandnic, more than Charmy, more than Mephiles, more than Marine, more than any Zeti and more than any other character they have introduced.
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>>569030256
To compare, Metal sonic stomps in all categories
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>>569030437
SA2B was being developed before SA2DC was even finished and released, Genesisboomer.
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>>569030256
That's a lot of headcanon despite Charmy's entire deal being that he's the fastest flyer.
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>>569030530
>I believe that 2003 was the first time Sonic wank was in full effect,
Sonic was always "above" everyone else. Its just that the 2000s actually had more pronounced story in the game itself rather than relying on manuals.
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>>569030702
>Sonic was always "above" everyone else
What text supports this
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>>569030608
Yeah welll when Sega decides to show that being the case I'll stick with my "headcanons" made from observable evidence.
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Tails! :D
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>>569030770
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>>569030242
Nah, Black Knight, he'd rather fail a test than not help, and the test turned out to be one of character, that he passed by doing so.
Sonic will also stop moving during Tails' SA1 levels if he's too far ahead, so Tails can catch up to him.
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>>569030831
>I'll stick to my headcanons
That's fine, as long as you're aware.
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>>569030861
More text than that.
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>>569030861
>OOC US logo
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>>569030530
>the game where Sonic can oneshot enemies Knuckles cannot just by hitting them really hard.
????
>such as the post-Egg Emperor dialogue where Sonic basically says he didn't have to try after Knuckles said that fight was a close call.
This is not what happened. What happened is Sonic says "not really" after Knuckles says "talk about cutting it close".
Then Knuckles says "come, if you didnt have us you wouldnt have stood a chance" to which Sonic says "You know what, you're right. Thanks Knuckles"

https://youtu.be/m_zb32XgvQw

Sonic is admitting he needed Knuckles and Tails for this one.

You people have such wild Sonic derangement syndrome.

>>569030770
Sonic doesn't meaningfully struggle against anyone or anything until SA2 with Shadow.
Sonic is presented as capable all by himself with Tails being a lot more of just a tagalong support than he is in the adventure era.
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>>569030890
That's different than just slowing down for no reason so his friends can be around. The game very clearly presents it as Sonic needed Tails and Knuckles for this one. Insistence to the contrary is just making shit up to be mad about.
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>>569030702
>Sonic was always "above" everyone else. Its just that the 2000s actually had more pronounced story in the game itself rather than relying on manuals.
I said that already.
>Before 2003, Sonic was special, arguably the best, but he wasn't the best full stop, nor was he perfect
Sonic in SA2 lost to GUN, yes it took literally all day and all night, but they got him and he had to be rescued by Tails.
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>>569031086
>Sonic doesn't meaningfully struggle against anyone
So why did Sonic let Knuckles knock an emerald out of his hands? For the lols?
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>>569031046
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Behold
Blaze + Honey = BLAZEY!
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>>569028541
notice how silver doesn't have a game screenshot
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>>569031253
It was a cheap shot. That isnt presented as him struggling. When Sonic actually encounters Knuckles for real without just getting cheap shotted into the next level section, Knuckles gets rolled stupid easily.
The fight isn't even presented as a challenge. You can say thats just the character battles being bad but MechaSonic didnt have this issue
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Why does Ian thinks Tails is fast? Is not in the games, in any game, or TV show, or mother movies. He is only fast in the OVA, the one and only time. What's with this Tails propaganda?;
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>>569031385
>It was a cheap shot.
Provide evidence that shows so.
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>>569030320
>Time Stop
Can also be used by Amy and doesn't actually stop time, it merely immobilizes the opponent. Race timer, enemies and stage hazards are not affected
>Toon Force and Rule of Cool
Creative liberties do not cancel out internal consistency. Sonic was surprised, ambushed and outmaneured on many occasions during the course of the games. That is unlike Flash, Quicksilver and other western speedsters, who are implicitly written with superhuman reaction times in mind
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>>569031296
...maybe I'm trippin' but that's just fuckin' BLAZE dude.
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>>569031294
Off model and also not the final logo, but at least it's Japanese
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>>569031296
>aislop
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>>569031452
It's called a dominant fusee.
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No, it's called Blaze the Cat.
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>>569031431
>Can also be used by Amy and doesn't actually stop time, it merely immobilizes the opponent. Race timer, enemies and stage hazards are not affected
False.

What you described is "Amy Flash". Amy does not stop time, ever.

SONIC has Time Stop which directly stops the timer and everything because it is a literal, actual Time Stop.

>>569031431
>Sonic was surprised, ambushed and outmaneured on many occasions during the course of the games. That is unlike Flash, Quicksilver and other western speedsters, who are implicitly written with superhuman reaction times in mind
FALSE.

Do you have any idea how many times The Flash gets surprised and ambushed anyway, despite the whole "attosecond" thing!? This is how ALL Speedsters are portrayed, all the time. they powerscale to infinity and beyond and still get surprised, ambushed or like, Catwoman taking out three Flashes with one kick.
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>>569031389
Ian has a hatelove relationship with Tails since he was always player two, that's why he tried to canonize his Launch Base "wound" where he fell in the water.
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>>569031602
>it merely immobilizes the opponent. Race timer, enemies and stage hazards are not affected
Are you going to contest that part with video evidence
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>>569031389
Tails is fast. That line from Sonic is perfect and Ian did a good job with it. It was also kept in Japanese, unlike what Sonic says later
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>>568990226
I see nothing wrong with this list
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>>569031389
He is fast in all of those. Enough of YOUR propaganda, peasant
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>>569028963
That's a glitch. Re-appeal repeatedly.
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>>569031542
lol you're totally the artist (or a sycophant)
Okay buddy, here's my original Katt/Miyu fusion OC, donut steel!
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>>569032083
I'm gonna rape your oc.
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>>569032083
She looks edible
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>>569029738
Why does IDW write Jet like he's borderline just straight up a gay tsundere for Sonic
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https://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/fangallery/fanart/20260601_009301/
It's up
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>>569031761
https://youtu.be/N7s2ZE9P4Uw?list=TLPQMzEwNTIwMjY6KM-Uurnoqw&t=1199

When Sonic uses Time Stop, time itself is literally frozen for the other player. They will literally be completely frozen mid-action, and everything around them stops just like Shadow's Chaos Control.

https://youtu.be/N7s2ZE9P4Uw?list=TLPQMzEwNTIwMjY6KM-Uurnoqw&t=916

When Amy uses Amy Flash, the other player is only immobilized but time is still moving. If the other player is already in-motion like falling or hitting a dash panel or spring, they will continue moving, but the player's control is disabled.
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>Zamasu + Goku = 90% Zamasu
WHAT THE HELL TORIYAMA, YOUR A HACK?!
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Boy!
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>>569031086
>????
Light Speed Attack oneshots any robot it hits in Heroes, Knuckles, even with three Power Cores, cannot oneshot Egg Hammers.
>Sonic is admitting he needed Knuckles and Tails for this one.
Sonic is admitting he would've had to try.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN1Kp4Q_Bdc
>>569031193
>"Sonic is more than fine with being late if it means helping his friends." is different from Sonic slowing down to help people in need, even if he has somewhere else he needs to be
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>Latinx ball
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>>569031389
Tails is stuck where writers don't know if they should make him action centric like Sonic or support centric just tinkering with tech in the sidelines
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Speaking of SA2 Multiplayer abilities, why the peeps never use them again? They are broken
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>>569032654
He should be doing both and it's not hard to make him do both
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>>569032310
Because we don't want another Shadow clone
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>>569032719
Because this franchise blows ass and is probably one of the worst in trying to keep narrative and gameplay cohesive.
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>>569031389
He's fast in all those what the fuck are you smoking? Not being as fast as Sonic (nobody is, not even Shadow) doesn't mean he's not a speed demon too
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>>569032806
We could do that in the games but every time Tails tries to fight a bad guy with his body he jobs so Sonic saves the day. Compromise?
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>>569032719
Amy's ability to tell you to wait a minute wasn't very consistent. People would wait 20 seconds at most.
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>>569033034
20 seconds is more than enough to beat anyone to a pulp
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>>569032654
Tails is supposed to do both.

He's a supersonic flying speedster that tinkers with technology. He does what Sonic does, and what Eggman does, at the same time.
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>>569032914
He is as slow as a turtle in all the classic games my dude
And in SA2 he plays a slow as fuck mecha gimmick
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>>569033123
>He is as slow as a turtle in all the classic games my dude
Play the games.

Tails plays identically to Sonic in the classics. He is literally a gameplay reskin of Sonic in the original Sonic 2, and the only thing 3K added was his flight as an in-game ability the player can use.
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>>569033092
Mmm.. pulp
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>>569033123
Tails is a literal clone of Sonic in Sonic 2, that's the whole point. I played as him and he goes fast just like Sonic
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>>569031417
It has been stated by Sonic Team that it was and it is clearly what is shown.
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>>569031330
Cause he'll be too overpowered to go physical with being a psychic that will make Blazefags screetch for some reason
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>>569032389
lol this one's funny with the dead characters.
Thanks Ian for making Birdie a Flicky, but your 'Eggman Nega is dead' headcanon flopped.
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>>569033123
You've never played the games lol
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>>569033415
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Tails is epic
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You guys need to stop fucking coping.

SONIC WILL ALWAYS LOVE ADVENTURE MORE THAN ANYTHING
TAILS WILL ALWAYS BE THE SIDEKICK WHO IDOLIZES SONIC
KNUCKLES WILL ALWAYS VALUE HIS DUTY TO THE M.E.
SHADOW WILL ALWAYS VALUE MARIA'S PROMISE AND LOVE
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>>569033383
Explain why it happened again in Sonic Adventure.
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>>569033247
>>569033360
>B-But Sonic 2
Play the remake. Or Sonic 3. Or Mania
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>>569033505
I did. It was a waste of time. Only Mania was good.
Tails is slow as fuck between
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>>569026969
>>569032389
>silvaze fireworks
worthless characters
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>>569032581
>Light Speed Attack oneshots any robot it hits in Heroes, Knuckles, even with three Power Cores, cannot oneshot Egg Hammers.
You can literally only do that after a teamblast though. Also Knuckles and Tails can trigger it as well with Thundershoot and FireDunk.
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>>568990064
>>568990601
>>568992339
No
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>>569032947
No
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>>569033475
Stop bullying Cuckver, he's doing his best
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>>569033690
>>569033825
Tails is fast, goes fast, follows Sonic in gameplay, this is all in the games
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>>569033690
No, YOU need to play those games because you obviously didn't.

In Sonic 2, 3K & Mania, Tails is a reskin of Sonic, with the addition of flight.
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>>569033634
These characters are nothing more than how they are perceived.
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>>569033415
You make it too easy
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>>569033107
How can you not see the issue with this headcanon?
>>569033668
Fym? Sonic and Knuckles jump at eachother and ge drops an emerald in the scuffle and Eggman comes in to steal it.
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>>569032407
Kai fusions always worked like that
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>>569032947
You can't really compromise because making him excel at both makes SONIC look bad (basically SA1 Tails) and making him a jack-of-both worsens TAILS. You pick one trait to grow like in SA2, he's valuable to the team without accidentally devaluing others.
>>569033473
Why aren't the Sonic X characters dead?
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>>569033978
No anon, actually I think you are the one who needs to play those games
>>569033958
Yeah he follows, from behind, at a lower speed
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>>569034059
>How can you not see the issue with this headcanon?
1) It's not a headcanon.
2) WHAT issue!!? Since when was it impossible for a character to be a fast acrobatic fighter AND a tech genius!?

Robin & Spider-Man both exist and they're both defined by doing both.
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Tailshaters are so moronic it's sad
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>>569034059
Why would Sonic lose an emerald in the kerfuffle if he's supposedly beyond Knuckles' league
This time it wasn't an ambush, too
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>>569034121
>making him a jack-of-both worsens TAILS
I don’t see this. Him being both IS his function. He’s fast, but not as fast as Sonic. He’s smart, but not as smart as Eggman. Neither of those are bad things for him
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>>569034127
No, you literally do not know what you are talking about.

Tails in the classic games is a gameplay reskin of Sonic. He shares Sonic's speed and abilities, both when you play as him and when he follows Sonic as Player 1.5.
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>>569033825
Mania is a rehash of the classics. It's a good game, but saying it's the only good one is ridiculous when so much of it is ripped off from those games. You have not played the games. Tails is not slow.
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Metal Jobber
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>>569034195
Making as fast as Sonic and as smart as Eggman breaks the series.
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>>569033858
>You can literally only do that after a teamblast though.
In gameplay, sure, in continuity, it was established that Sonic can do the Light Speed Attack by himself, he can just do it without the charge up now, in addition to not needing the upgrade anymore.
Even if you took Maximum Heat Knuckles into account and said Knuckles would also be able to oneshot Egg Hammers, that only makes Knuckles as strong as Sonic, while still being that much slower than him.
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>>569034358
This guy is coping to an absurd degree
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>>569034316
>Why would Sonic lose an emerald in the kerfuffle if he's supposedly beyond Knuckles' league
It's literally presented as a coicidence/happenstance rather than some powerfeat in SA1.
At least in Sonic 3 it was an ambush but SA1 just treats it like a silly accident.

This is repeated in SA1 with the emeralds in ge
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>>569034508
He's the kid brother sidekick. He's SUPPOSED to have the potential to exceed Sonic and Eggman because that's part of what being the sidekick / little brother even means.
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>>569034508
No one said he was either, he’s just very capable in both areas. Sonic and Eggman are the peak of speed and intellect respectively, but Tails does both if to a lesser degree. Being versatile like that is what makes him special, even if he doesn’t quite match up to either one individually
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>>569034664
How can a silly accident occur when one being is FTL and the other should struggle with that
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Notice that it is also always Tailsfags that insist on taking gameplay absolutely literally but only insofar as it is to be used to powerfag their character.
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>>569034637
True lol
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>>569034508
Would be nice if we had "Tails Forces"
Sonic and most friends are out of commission, but Eggman doesn't Infinite or the Phantom Ruby to rely on.
It's just Tails at his A-game (without half a year of psychological damage weighing on him) versus Dr. Eggman in a grand chess match of wits
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>>569034809
Tailsfags have potential man main character syndrome even more than Silverfags
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>>569034358
The classic games just didn't age well. And there is no point of playing them when Mania exists
>>569034352
Following his around is just for gameplay purposes. What a stupid cope
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>>569034619
>in continuity, it was established that-
No it wasn't.
You made all this up. It isnt like Chaos Control or Amy's boxing or Tails having the Cyclone. It wasnt "established in continuity".

>>569034686
There is literally 0 direct correlation. You just made this up.
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>>569034824
Have you noticed that it is always Tailshaters that seem to have a complete lack of understanding of this series?
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>>569034792
But Tailsfags are specifically insisting to the contrary.
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>>569034969
NTA, Mania is not better than Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
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>>569034397
Correct.
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>>569034969
>Following his around is just for gameplay purposes.
No, following Sonic is literally part of Tails' character and the story of how he even met Sonic.
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Tailscholars teaching /sthg/
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>>569035160
Does Sonic&Knuckles have the drop dash? No? Then Mania is better BITCH
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>>569034969
Video games "aging" is a stupid meme, and you didn't play Mania either, you're just repeating what you perceive to be a popular opinion

>>569035013
Of course, you can tell that they're mindless monsters based on their lack of ability to love Tails
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>>569034978
Sonic does use the Light Speed Attack in SA1, while he is separated from Tails and Knuckles.
It was, you misremembered.

At absolute best, Tails is assisting the Team Blast by combining Thunder Shoot with the Light Speed Attack after Knuckles gives him a boost. After the Team Blast, Sonic can do the Light Speed Attack by himself, without charging it up or using the upgrade he had in SA1.
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>>569025994
>spoiler
What, because he's a Wily bot? Wily was working on his own thing.
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>>569035426
I think that guy is straight up lying about having played the games lol
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>>569035345
Skill Issue
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>>569035426
>Uh you actually didn't play the game, stop shitting on my nostalgia noooooooo
God I hate Tailsniggers. You fags are BY FAR the most circlejerk fanbase, hive mind mentality, induced global cope, and more. Go choke on 100 dicks. Tails will never be as fast as Sonic. Bye bitches
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>>569035579
After the Team Blast, Tails' Thunder Shoot & Knuckles' Fire Dunk can launch Sonic into a Light Speed Attack.
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>>569035734
Someone’s mad lmao
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>>569035657
Yeah lol

>>569035734
Tails has always been as fast as Sonic. Bye!
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>>569035725
I was gonna post about this but couldn't be bothered to lol
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I remember that the fandom consensus in the 2000's was that Tails was the 2nd or 3rd fastest character because he could always catch up to Sonic in Sonic 2
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>>569035734
Oh no no no no not like this Tailshaters...
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>>569035781
Yeah, but Sonic doesn't need them to do it, he can just do it by himself in speed formation.
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Anyways glad we agree Tails is fast and cool
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>>569035803
He's so thicc
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>>569036253
Long too
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>>569035345
The Origins version does. It's also technically the game where the Drop Dash originated from

>>569036213
Yep
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>>569035945
That shouldn't have been the case even back then because of Metal Sonic and Shadow.
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>failsfags
Eternal reminder
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Tails is not as fast as Sonic, but he’s fast enough to keep up with him to some degree which is why Sonic put up with him in the first place. How is this not known
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>>569036549
You lost and never played the games, cope
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OH SNAP
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>>569036574
Over the years I learned to appreciate Shadow shitting on Tails
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>>569036610
>>569036549
Tails' speed is not equal to Sonic 1:1, but he does share Sonic's speed and abilities to some degree and is fully capable of racing against Sonic and even beating him in a race by using his flight with the right shortcuts and such.
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>>569036783
ALRIGHT TAILS
YOU MADE IT
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Tailshaters got exposed as frauds and threw a tantrum, what else is new
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>>569035290
To explain the gameplay ai.
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>>569036574
It's like he teleports back up just to kick him again
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Why is it always Shitdowfags being insecure that any other character has fans
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>>569036929
The "gameplay AI" is a reflection of Tails' character.

He is the kid brother following Sonic around and trying to be like him. That is who Tails is, and the game is designed to reflect that.
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Thanks Rouge, I really appreciate your stupid constant baseless speculation about how Shadow isn't Shadow, very cool.
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>>569034969
Mania is fun but it is not a substitute for Sonic 2, 3 or CD.
Mania is also very flawed and kind of shallow. Its very flashy and loud but it doesnt really stand on its own as an experience.
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>>569034358
Sonic stop molesting your adoptive brother!
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Alota's new oc, your thoughts?
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>>569037035
Tails as a concept is outdated because today birth rates are lower and people have less little brothers and also couch multiplayer isn't relevant anymore
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>>569036178
In both cases, it is treated as a charged state from the Team Blast.
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>>569037248
I’m an eldest sibling and I love Tails
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>>569037248
I have four young sons and they all fight over who gets to play as Tails thank you very much
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>>569037248
Doesn't need to be an older sibling. Kids can look up at older figures in general
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>>569035945
Thats still very different than saying he is as fast as Sonic or meant to be seen as relative.
Also MetalSonic exists so its obviously not true.
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>>569036549
We don't know this. It was also the case on Sonic 2. Sonic has clearly gotten faster with time.
It's not really reflective of how things are nowadays.
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>>569037095
Yeah, it's so crazy that she would think that, I wonder why.
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>>569037150
Alota's oc looks off-topic fuck off
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>>569037150
shut up alota
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>>569037095
She was right
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>>569037150
I only care about OCs that have penises
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>To Sonic, Tails is like a cute little brother figure who looks up to him, and also a dependable partner. He spins his two tails like propellers to accelerate, and can even fly through the air…! He’s a trustworthy presence who somehow keeps up with Sonic’s speed and even rescues him from danger with his flying ability.

>Plus, Tails’s mechanical skills and sharp mind support Sonic in countless ways.

>Sonic places immense trust in Tails, who expands his horizons and sometimes even lights the way forward.

>But the greatest strength of this duo is surely their “bond of the heart.”

>Sonic is certain that with Tails, and Tails is certain that with Sonic, they can overcome any crisis.

They understand what the other needs without needing to say a word. Perhaps something beyond mere trust exists between them.

>These two will surely continue dashing through countless adventures together. As the fastest and greatest duo…!
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>>569037639
Yeah yeah we’re all aware of Sonic Team’s recent insistence that Sonic is Jesus God Superman and everyone else is poopy butthole retard. I choose to ignore that and so should you
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>>569037668
That wasn't me..
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>>569037095
You do know this scene is ultimately done to show Shadow's morals and logic, right?
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>>568990064
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>>569037305
The Team Blast is literally just them working together.
Chaotix make as much noise as they can, Shadow stops time while Rouge lifts Omega into the air as he vaporizes everything around them, Team Rose does, uh, something, honestly not sure what, and Knuckles builds momentum for Tails to put into a Thunder Shoot that amplifies Sonic's Light Speed Attack.

If Sonic couldn't do it by himself, it wouldn't be a part of the Team Blast, he'd use a Homing Attack or a Blue Tornado instead.
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Hey anons, do you think it's a better idea to make Shadow and Silvers favorite foods be sausage rolls and corndogs respectfully?
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>>569038262
Shadows is black coffee and Silvers is coleslaw
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>>569037150
Cute should have something to break up all that black tho
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>>569037150
>ocfaggotry
>simple design with black bodysuit because Alota is a lazy hack who loves drawing boring uninteresting shit
>simple poses
Shit
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>>569038534
How come you liked that light blue oc
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>>569037715
She pulled this mysterybox shit that always went nowhere in every other game, you can remove it like the Shadow Generations recap did for more coherency and be off better for it.
>"urf-urf, she said ANDROID here!" *punchable smugweeb grin*
And nothing about that sentence made any more sense.
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>>569037150
She looks like she fucks human men
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>>569037760
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>>569038262
I like the idea of Silver being vegetarian.
I also like Shadow's happy little accident of eating coffee beans, an alien like him should have at least one weird hobby
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>>569037035
Tails moved on from trying to be like Sonic since SA1.
He wants to be cool like him rather than his minime or sequel.
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You think Silver ever ate a corpse?
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Oay02gMQ3iw
Everyone loves Tails :D

Also, from a popular comment:
>It’s not like I’m particularly into shota-kemo, but Tails is just so cute, isn’t he…
Tails' beauty is so amazing it even transcends the regular appeal of his character archetypes
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>>569039017
But it's black coffee. That's his favorite food. The beans were a meme.
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>>569038534
>black bodysuits are Le Bad
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>>569037902
>if my pet character cant be Sonic+ they are being treated like shit.
Okay anon.
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>>569038678
And in conclusion, Tailskings won again
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>>569038779
All that was explained in Shadow 05. Just in the worst way possible, scattered between multiple paths.
They also deconfirmed Shadow isn't a robot in the worst way possible. As an alternative dialogue at the final secret boss if you suck at the game and can't beat him in 6 minutes
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>>569039392
>asking for basic respect means I want them to be equal to Sonic
You have a learning disability don’t you
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>>569038163
You're making things up.
In the context of the gameplay of Heroes, it is something Sonic does because of his teamwork.
There is nothing to suggest it would 1 shot in SA1.
You're making up continuity here.
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>>569039017
Steven Universe sissyver, whatever happened there?
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>>569039017
They couldn’t make Silver any gayer so they made him vegan.
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>>569039312
Sorry but the meme answer is better than the real one. It's canon now
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>>569039515
>convo literally about character abilities
>I jUsT wAnT respect
>somehow im the one that cant read.
OK brother.
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>>569039017
>>569039575
Vegetarian and vegan are different, but where does this meme come from anyways? Is it just the garden and him liking apples?
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Tails!
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>>569038372
>coleslaw
I will rape you
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>>569039017
>Silver being vegetarian
He never had the luxury to be one anon...
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>>569039793
He says he likes coleslaw chilidogs in one cooking book they released.
We have only seen him eating apples so yeah. I headcanon him as vegetarian until proven wrong
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>>569038627
I'm still a big fan of the box.
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>>569039876
It’s true, slawhog >>569040419
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>>569040419
>>569040570
>Ian fanfics
Do you know why he left twitter?
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>>569040419
Okay.
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Watching the Simpsons and thinking about Sonic t the same time
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>>569040642
Because he was tired of arguing with underage subhumans?
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>>569039017
>>569039793
>>569040419
The JP Twitter released these tweets implying he was thinking in 06 the whole time
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>>569040720
Because he was getting bullied by children, CHILDREN understand how much of a bad writer he is, do you know how bad you have to be to have that done to you?
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>>568990064
Is Dragofag around?
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>>569040926
I hope not.
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>>569040857
*about meat the whole time
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>>569040926
He got AIDS fir being gay and died
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>>569040857
MEAT
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>>569039758
Yes, reducing Tails’ abilities and increasing Sonic’s is a lack of respect for Tails
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>>569041029
Will this happen to me too?
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>>569040926
He's still on his trip
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>>569040857
Fingering Silver's ass hole to find his Orgasm Trigger
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>>569041081
You're the one reducing others to inflated Tails.
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Tails is the wind
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>>569041251
Yes, there is a worrying huge number of gays purposely spreading it around im not kidding
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>>569041427
Peak!
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>>569041292
No I’m not??? I just want them to remember Tails’ abilities and capabilities
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>>569040857
It's a quizz. He wasn't thinking about meat at all
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>>569041427
SONIC is the Wind.

Tails is the Sky, which means wind and lightning.
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>>569040419
This should settle it too.
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>>569041492
The second tweet says he has fun dreams of food.
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>>569041607
So he's right, Tails is the wind and even more
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>>568990064
People will moan how wrong is to ship Shadaria and Sonelise but when it's Topouge the only outcome and joke for them is Batsex
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>>569041471
Except you aren't. Just fanwanking all over the thread and getting insecure when people don't acquiesce yo your delusions.
Tailsfags really are trannies.
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I don't care about your ships, I'm talking about how much Silver loves meat in his mouth canonically
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>>569040419
Ian didn't even know Silver liked Apples or had MREs when he wrote that.
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>>569041492
Silver thinks about meat everyday.
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>>569041676
That's a vegetarian hot dog made for him
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Why don't Amyfags get this autistic over powerlevels despite Amy also being a Sonic fantard character like Tails?
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>>569041256
I hope he's okay
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>>569041732
>>569042148
Fun dreams of food =/= chicken . It's obvious that in a ruined food would be scarce
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>>569039568
You keep saying I'm making shit up when I'm only bringing up shit from the games and that's making it pretty hard to take this seriously, I'd expect you to extend the same courtesy I am extending to you by me not accusing you of fabricating information out of nothing.
ANYWAY
>In the context of the gameplay of Heroes, it is something Sonic does because of his teamwork.
The Team Blast is the result of Team Sonic's teamwork, yes, Sonic can't do that by himself, just like how Knuckles can't do the Triangle Dive without Tails and Sonic or how Tails can't do a Thunder Shoot without either Sonic or Knuckles.
The Light Speed Attack is Sonic's contribution to Team Sonic's Team Blast in the same way that Thunder Shoot is Tails' contribution.
>There is nothing to suggest it would 1 shot in SA1.
The Light Speed Attack does one shot every enemy that isn't a boss in SA1, just like how the Maximum Heat Knuckles Attack does.
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>>569042204
Because he super strength has been becoming a bigger part of her character
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>>569032389
>Delicious birthday cake
>Happy Birthday, Sonic! Even your rival made a cake for you. It should be safe, right...?

>Staff comments: A birthday cake from his rivals...! It looks delicious...!? Metal Sonic giving a thumbs-up is so cute.
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>>569042189
>made for him
He wasn't invited to the party, mind you. He spawned there after it started. None of those are vegetarian.
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>>569041986
You’re simply a retarded chimp then, got it
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>>569042373
Food wasn't scare in his future he had calorie bars >>569042096
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>>569019719
Pic related is Tails in every fight
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>>569042460
That like has been in her bios since SA1. It isn't really about power. That's a weird translation.
Its more saying she can be a fighter as much as the boys.
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>>569042628
Then he stole it from another character who is also vegetarian, probably Rouge
>>569042713
If you have to eat those disgusting bars to survive then food is scarce
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>>569042414
>The Light Speed Attack is Sonic's contribution to Team Sonic's Team Blast in the same way that Thunder Shoot is Tails' contribution.
The Team blast animation frames it as somrthing generated by thr maneuver, rather than merely his contribution.
The teamblast is literally them spinning before launching Sonic into a lights peed attack.
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>>569042840
But IM the one “reducing others” yeah okay faggot retard
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>>569043026
Silver isn't a vegetarian there's nothing to imply that.
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>>569043078
>getting this triggered at a low effort shitpost.
Tailsfags everyone.
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>>569043026
No one in the cast is vegetarian or vegan. Sorry.
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>>569042414
>The Light Speed Attack does one shot every enemy that isn't a boss in SA1, just like how the Maximum Heat Knuckles Attack does.
Every enemy in SA1 dies in 1 hit. The only enemies that have health ARE bosses and thr LPA just does 1 more hit worth of damage.
Its like having 1 level up in speed formation in Heroes.
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>>569043252
Don’t be a retarded hypocrite then
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>>569042840
Kek not funny the only way currently i can see Tails getting stomped this hard if Kit does it
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>>569043179
>>569043418
For now
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>>569043551
>>569043551
>>569043551
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>>569043540
That post wasnt even me, schizo.
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>>569043543
Don't compare her with Tails she may have lost but she not afraid to fight for the one's she holds dear
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>>569043252
>low effort
>scrolling up 5 hours in the thread to make a dumb joke
I’m so sure
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>>569043952
Or....someone just came into the thread and made it while scrolling down?
Too logical?
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>>569043065
>frames it
Sonic never needed Tails or Knuckles to do the Light Speed Attack in SA1.
It is framed as their combined teamwork, Knuckles gives Tails a ton of momentum, Tails puts all of that momentum into a Thunder Shoot and Sonic uses that to enhance his Light Speed Attack, which is why the one he uses in the Team Blast is so much stronger and faster than the one he performs, by himself, after the Team Blast has concluded.
>>569043517
The Egg Hammer is not a boss, the only reason we're having this discussion is the fact that Sonic can oneshot Egg Hammers in Heroes with a Light Speed Attack, while a fully levelled up Knuckles cannot.
The argument being made against me is that shouldn't count because Sonic can't do the Light Speed Dash by himself, which is incorrect, because he can do it by himself in SA1.
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>>569044141
Too coincidental you mean
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>>569044397
>Light Speed Attack,
Fixed that for myself, though Sonic is also the only member of Team Sonic that can do the Light Speed Dash in Heroes. Sparky actually raised a good point, for once, by pointing out that Tails and Knuckles do keep up with Sonic during it, but they can't initiate the technique like Sonic can, because that's not an option the player has while in flight or power formation.
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>>569042204
Because Amy never started out anywhere close to as good as Sonic. She had to work for it. She's slow as shit in CD and completely weak and useless. We're just happy she's able to keep up with the rest of the crew now and there's no need to sling shit over it. That said, I'm not really a fan of where they're going with her, with stuff like the mystic powers and the crazy feats of strength that question Knuckles's spot in the cast.
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>>569045902
anything they give Amy, they're just sucking it from another character.



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