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Average Rem Edition

>Latest patch:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/threads/05-22-2026-update.135477/

>Steam Page:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/

>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:
https://forums.playdeadlock.com/

>How do I git in?
Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.

>How do I git gud?
Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.

Additional Resources:
>Unofficial Wiki
https://deadlock.wiki/
>Collection of useful character builds
https://deadlockmeta.com/
>New Player Guide
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/
>Advanced Movement Guide
https://www.dlmovement.wiki/
>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)
https://statlocker.gg/
https://tracklock.gg/
>Unofficial Competitive News
https://edl.gg/
>Unofficial Voiceline Viewer
https://deadlock.vlviewer.com/

Threadlocked: >>569000778
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First for sex with viscous.
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First for esex with Metro (he groomed me)
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first for boob
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I love victor
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metro used lightning scroll on me heres a pastebin
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vhy do you haev 18 age of consent? vee don't have zees ein germany
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>>569067947
Mina is not flying with those juggs
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>>569049885
I really dislike how the metoo thing is still around. In its original form, it was a bunch of hollywood people rallying together to out actual prolific full-on rapists that used their power as leverage to sexually abuse up and coming actresses. Hence the name, me too. He raped me too. Dude gets in giga trouble because he actually did it and we all move on. Or do we? No, for a decade and counting we see some retarded ewhores randomly compiling 5 cherrypicked discord messages where a niche internet celebrity says something kinda weird and act like it's a legal document that would hold up in court, then a bunch of subhuman simps will rush to twitter to try to destroy his career. When is this retarded shit gonna go away?
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Silver buffs when?
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>mina and infernus farming team
>no one but me buys slowing
i'd be a multi billionaire if i had a dollar for everytime this happened
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>>569068630
lost a winning game with my mates because we eventually lost teamfight after teamfight to a seven with no unstop / indom
we laughed it off because we know we're just terrible like that
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>get silver on team
>lose
this happens SO OFTEN
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>hear Silver is SSS+ tier
>been losing a lot lately so try her out
>do dog shit every game, lowest damage barely any kills
>fall to phantom 6
>finally win a game
>it was an oracle lobby and I still had the second lowest damage
How do I stop having the lowest damage on Silver every time? How do you macro with her?
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>get silver on team
>win
this happens SO OFTEN
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i hate silver I HATE SILVER SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HER
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>>569069790
>ctrl + f
>silver mentioned 8 times, this post makes it 9
you can't escape her
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>>569069790
silver
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>>569069608
Silver isn't good in pubs, you need to be able to turn the advantage you get from constant brooling into tempo before you fall off
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>>569069790
silver
>silver
silver
>silver
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>>569069608
The hero is really bad, simple as.
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>They are nerfing characters to be less cancerous for the current urn.
>That means the urn isn't getting reverted any time soon.
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>>569070201
having it under the bridge is so fucking annoying
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I'm the only good silver player in /dlg/
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>>569070257
>New
>Experimental
This "Playtest" is actual a torture engine used to steal your emotional energy to fuel the demon known as Yoshi.
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is apollo still shiet or wot
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>>569069235
just git gud.
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>>569070604
>11/11 haze
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Deathy:
>EU servers are fucking miserable. I don't get how anyone plays there full time. It's just people saying slurs to eachother and blaming everyone

If this is true, why didn't NA win the tournament?
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>play like shit
>buy utility to shut down enemy carries
>get carried
it's literally that easy
why can my team not do this when they suck?
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>>569070754
>EU player blames you but keeps playing
>NA player blames you and sells all his items to afk in the fountain
just look at the way floormen reacted to mlc urn hoarding.
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>when he pulls out the slowing hex
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>>569070201
Wake me when they revert Urn to not be street brool in normal Deadlock
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why does an experienced bounty hunter, who's also visibly in shape and part animal, only have 2 base stamina
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>>569071178
Hangover
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>>569071178
sore butthole
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>>569070918
ive had more afkers in eu....
russian moonrunes into gg i go afk is op
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was trying to paint victor + graves but i gave up on it after finishing her face thanks for reading my blog
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>>569071178
alcoholism
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>>569071412
your camera is really nice
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>>569067947
Giving Mina big boobs ruins her flavor. She's a small chest with a decent butt type build.
>>569071412
Nice, saved.
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>>569071178
She's underpowered and needs huge buffs
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>>569069608
Buy slowing hex and commit rape because your target has no hope of escaping you.
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>>569071919
>needs huge buffs
let's not get crazy now
and if this is really "needed" then why did she get nothing but the tiniest of nerfs this patch
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>>569070754
The "pro" scene is dominated by 3rd worlders in shithole countries because the meager prize pool pays their rent for 6 months. In the first world players prioritize playing casually or streaming because playing Deadlock is not a real career.
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>>569070754
>EU servers are fucking miserable. I don't get how anyone plays there full time. It's just people saying slurs to eachother and blaming everyone
Hi. NA here. This literally just sounds exactly like NA servers, except instead of slurs they just call you safe-slurs like "diddy" or "epstein" or "saddam" or whatever the fuck. Sometimes you'll get the occasional "hitler" but that's about it
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>>569072149
Same reason Seven has been a top 3 winrate hero for years without any nerfs at all.
"""Pro""" """scene""" dictates the balance.
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>>569072289
>meanwhile, the best team in EU looks like this
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>>569071774
>Asian
>Decent butt
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>have dynamo on team
>win
wow.. so this is the advanced tactical moba gameplay i've been hearing so much about...
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>>569072545
B-BBUT SAAAR... HE DROPPED TO A TIER ON STATLOCKER IN E6 MATCHES IN THE PAST SEVEN DAYS SAAAAAR!!!!! PLS RECONSIDAAAAAAA
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>>569072483
>best player on team from a literal by definition third world country
yea
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>>569072726
>>569072289
Hilarious goalposting.
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>>569070754
>send russians to their own containment server
>EU is fixed
They won't do it, but they should
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>lets push lane
>okay im coming :)
>push walker
>the people who said lets push left because one guy showed up
okay jungle afk time
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>>569072646
>check past 7 days
>doorman
>s tier
>20% pickrate
>54.9% winrate
ok what the fuck
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>>569072646
actually, he dropped to b tier I think like... today, or yesterday maybe
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>>569073034
Really
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>>569072943
even with the stupid ass door nerf he still has doors
I don't get why people acted like the ability was removed from the game and that he became unplayable after that
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can someone give me an actual answer as to why the fuck farming jungle is so appealing vs defending walkers?
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>>569073104
I'm so deadass that it would make a necrophiliac blush
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>>569072919
>Send russians to their own server
>EU collapses and becomes OCE tier meme region with NA

RUbvlls own you.
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>>569073235
sex with cousins causes it
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uhhhhhh statisticsisters?
what the fuck do we make of this
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>>569073361
we already experimented with this and matchmaking quality skyrocketed for a week and slavniggergoblins all cried racism to try PR strongarm valve into merging russia back into EU. this happened on dota 2 as well.
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>>569073391
>Merely good instead of Server admin
hmmmmm. Needs buffs. characters are only playable if they have 58%+ winrates. Am I right Gravesisters?
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>>569073391
breaking news /dlg/, stats are NOT king
this is an early access game. patches that majorly change different parts of the game happen all of the time. of course stats are not gonna be fucking consistent and are sort of a meme atp
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>>569073584
Stats matter. filtering for E6 doesn't. Its too small of a sample to take any real meaning.
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>dispel yamato hook
>instead of putting it on cooldown it just removes it so she just puts it on me right afterwards
what the fuck is wrong with this game
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>>569073532
Grave players have to be the most annoying fucking people in this game.
They just complain and complain until their character is stupid brain dead easy enough to easily dominate every lobby they're in. Save some buffs for the rest of us for christ's sake.
>>569073762
You're just gonna have to post that much-more-intuitive-than-base-game-idea to le forums, I'm afraid.
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>>569073762
>Stun Haze out of her ult channel
>She presses it again because it didnt go on cooldown
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>>569073762
same shit with stunning people who are literally casting an ult and it just full refunds it
>"I'M HOLDING EM"
>Stoneform stun interrupts mid sentence while the ult is visually starting
>He gets full refund and gets to fucking cast it again
>Check, no refresher
FIX THIS SHIT YOSHI
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>>569073916
no, anon...
we WANTED graves buffed, what we got was some ungodly overultrakillbuff that was obviously going to result in eventual nerfs
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>ginnis and dynamo press 3
>giant heal aura that heals everyone to full instantly through spirit burn and healbane
>free urn and mid every button press
we need street brawl enhanced items like right now for that -150% anti heal
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>>569073723
>dynamo is B tier in all ranks so stats actually don't matter, my bad*
ftfy
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>>569074140
I recall a spergout happening when I told you guys Graves was fine where she was and didnt need buffs.
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>>569074186
We need a heal leech character already that heals off of everyone else healing.
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she wasn't balanced when she was pitifully weak, and she wasn't balanced when she was the server admin for a week or so

one character swinging heavily in either extreme is not what "balanced" means
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>give the game a two weeks break
>come back and we're in 59% wr Graves meta AGAIN
What the fuck is this game's balance team
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>>569072471
No but because Seven is the perfect candidate for Icefrog's "everything must be OP" vision
he is actually pretty well """"""""""""balanced"""""""""""" compared to the history of other hypercarries in the game
he's still got enough of a skill curve with him to where you can't just turn your brain off and win matches like with dynamo or pre-nerf graves
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>>569074434
>Connect with a nearby ally to gain bonuses, replicated healing, and ignore the move speed penalty while shooting.
Already exists
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>4% pickrate drop for graves since the patch yesterday
Imagine metaslaving fucking Graves of all characters.
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Complaining about Graves means nothing when you realise characters like Kelvin Wraith Dynamo and Haze are just good non stop when they get nerfed its literally who cares nerfs put aside all your feelings for Apollo just look at what they did to him they DUMPSTERED him when Wraith gets nerfed though they go 'teehee you um do 5 less damage thats it guys'
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>>569074705
is ivy good
I want to try her out, but I'm kind of afraid to
her kit is kinda fucking scary
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>>569074705
I'm talking enemies.
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>>569073391
60%er back to 50%, xer playerbase will still bitch about it though
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>>569074445
Graves has never fallen below 50% wr. You dont know what balance is. You think you do but you dont.
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>>569074829
She's a very good versatile character without being too op yes also shes fun
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why would i want to main a moba where bouncing off the wall is the main/distinguishing mechanic
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>>569074861
where did this trans victor agenda came from
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>>569074918
>Graves has never fallen below 50% wr.
she did in e6 aka the only elo where people know how to play
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>>569074801
Wraith is small potatoes compared to the meta monsters that are Seven, Silver or even Kelvin. She, like Haze, gets metal skin'd into irrelevancy.
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>>569074829
Ivy is always pretty good. Her kit is versatile you can shoot pretty well, you amp up allies with fire rate/healing, you have i-frames and hard CC, Global mobility and she cute
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The nerfs did nothing. GravesGODS still on top
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Gun apollo will be a thing just like gun lash was

t. from the future
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>>569075017
>The entire playerbase has to suffer because Graves is mediocre in 0.01% of matches
Krill yourself. Thats not how to balance a game if you want people to actually want to play it and eventually spend money on it.
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Uhh, your hero is strong?
Let's consult with the charts.
Uhh, your hero is weak?
Let's see what the charts have to say about that.
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>>569075263
Gun Apollo was a thing that came and went already
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>>569075334
This, but uhnironehklee
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>>569075320
>>The entire playerbase has to suffer
just get better
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does this "stats" person actually play the game?
Huh? Can you answer that for me, /dlg/?
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>>569074959
Because bouncing off the walls is badass?
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>>569075334
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>>569075426

I dont think thats right but I havent been as tapped in recently
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We have you now
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>>569075743
It was very brief
it was when gun meta was taking over the game a few weeks ago, before the urn changes
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>enemy team talking shit to you in allchat
>calling you names and stuff
>win
>allchat "imagine losing to someone you think is dumb and gay"
A feeling not unique to deadlock, but great nonetheless
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>>569075320
>The entire playerbase has to suffer
We call it the "Yoshi" game-design strategy
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If you buy rebuttal you should kill yourself.
NOW
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Out of every single hero I have never heard Mo and Krill players complain about their hero they're the most based players in this entire game no contest they're just happy with their mole man
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>>weak character
>press button
>so you have to fill out 0.05 tacos and fill up your bonzai meter, once this bonzai meter goes up, you'll need to collect the Seven Secret Stones in order to-
>>strong character
>press button
>get instantaneous value/kill person near-instantly
Some heroes are designed like the weakest TF2 characters, and some other heroes are designed like the most broken bullshit Overwatch has to offer.
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>>569057226
so if youre not getting the bad teammates by luck and theres nothing wrong with your own performance but youre still losing a lot thus losing a lot of rank the problem must be that valve is specifically targeting you with bad teammates. am i getting this right?
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>>569076201
UMM BUT IF YOU COLLECT THE SEVEN SECRET STONES AFTER ACQUIRING 0.1 TACOS YOU CAN DEAL ALMOST 300 DAMAGE HOW IS THAT BALANCED??
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>>569076035
MAURICE, NOW!
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Win rate is the only thing that matters.

Balance discussions that don't appeal to directly to win rate are just qualitative assessments that all hold equal weight to one another.
If the character wins more, the character is good. If the character loses more, the character is not good.
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>>569076201
Furthermore Taco is removed by dispel magic whilst the one button kill must be counter-spelled on prediction alone.
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>>569076413
Shiv is in D-Tier so you're objectively wrong about that, sorry mate.
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>>569076413
This is only true of 1v1 games like fighting games.
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>>569076413
Yeah but have you considered the possibility that Graves players are just built different? They would win no matter who they pick.
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>>569076701
>the "built different" Graves players in question
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>>569076597
Shiv is not good because Shiv does not win games. "I find shivs movement to be frustrating" is not an argument. It is a qualitative assessment that holds equal weight to all other qualitative assessments. You are free to have your opinion (and I share it, for the record) but it is ultimately of little value.
Shiv does not win games.
>>569076678
You can't balance for every single team comp so you have to balance for the character.
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>>569077031
>Shiv is not good
You can't bite that bullet this early, it immediately makes you wrong and gets you laughed out of the room even if you're trying to appeal to archon players.
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>>569077112
If Shiv were good then Shiv would win more games than he loses.
Shiv is qualitatively good. This does not translate into quantitative success, which is the only metric that matters.
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>>569077031
KNIFE OUT!
BLEED!
SOFTENIN 'EM UP!
THEY'RE GONNA BLEED!
NO MORE GAMES!
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>>569077259
You already said Shiv isn't good. It's over. Here's another bullet to bite because it's fun to force you to do this, what conclusions on game balance can you draw from this image right here? Should these three characters receive buffs or nerfs? Let's hear it champ.
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>>569073762
She has charges on it.
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Give me your Shiv winrates /dlg/, put your money where you mouth is
>>569077671
Objectively weak and need buffs
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>>569075151
It's like when they reduced the damage on mcginnis ult by like 3 per rocket and were like YEP FIXED
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If you like Sinclair please tell them to NOT rework the hero. Make a forum post. Every voice counts.
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>>569077867
>don't touch the extremely unfinished hero
whar
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Gun meta this gun meta that you see the thing is that gun meta is ass because shooting guns feel like ass in this game, we have to make yoshi learn actual good gun design and satisfying gunplay.
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>>569077802
he's decent, but I'm not terribly good at him. in high elo he just does well being the man in the front in this brool meta to punch urn.
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>>569078003
example. now. enough of this grim, ritualistic vagueposting.
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>>569077671
They are all characters that are qualitatively frustrating to play against for most of the playerbase. They need small buffs coupled with adjustments.
Again, I need you to understand that frustrating =/= good.
If the character is not winning games (the sole metric of success) then the character is simply not good.
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>>569077671
>silver
>47%
NOOOOO SHES S++++ SUPER OVERPOWERED HOW IS SHE SO LOW WINRATE???
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>>569078084
>they need small buffs
I respect that you're going into this with well meaning intentions, but do we really need to buff the guy with some of the lowest instant teleportation cds in the game?
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>>569078085
She's a tricky high skill hero because you need to put the little crosshair right over the enemy to do anything
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>>569078001
The kit is perfect.
The model and voice lines are unfinished.
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>>569078073
Vagueposting? nigga the gunplay is ass, whats vague about it? dragging your balls through concrete is more fucking engaging than shooting any of the gun carries's so called "guns".
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>>569078085
She's always been shit but she's meme'd into being good the same as LITERALLY EPSTINE doorman.
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>>569078440
what's engaging gunplay?
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When's inhouse?
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>>569048579
I want to milk lil Abrams
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>>569078440
Define gunplay.
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HEY! I'M STILL FULL!
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>>569079464
Geist, you're a freak
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>>569074829
>DAMAGE IN A CIRCLE
>AUTOMATICALLY ON DAMAGE AMP
>PRESS TO NOT DIE
>Fly away or fly in ult is actually a bit hard, you're usually fine just engaging with it though
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>>569079929
silver to me after sucking her big werewolf tits for eight hours
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funny how we had to wait over 3 weeks for a dogshit patch but icefrog releases a patch on the day of a large tournament just to troll.
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>>569074829
of course, global gank every 85 seconds or less, stone form has retarded range/stun time/healing, AoE is strong and stacks EE/slows, and tether gives insane value
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>>569081181
calling them a bunch of fucking losers for taking a closed alpha so seriously.
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At what rank you can't reliably 1v11 anymore without being a smurf?
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In the house?
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>>569082101
eternus 3
an eternus 6 player can realistically carry a team of ascendant shitters against a team of low eternus players that would be e1 avg but probably not more than that
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>>569082298
lol
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>>569078573
>>569079725

Gunplay is everything that revolves around the act of well, shooting a gun, be the gun itself, its vfx, sfx, its mechanics, the projectiles it shoots and the feedback you receive by both shooting it and hitting a target with it, it essentially is what makes a shotgun feel like a shotgun, an assault rifle feel like an assault rifle, an sniper like an sniper, and so on.

Good gunplay is then the act of tweaking all of those parameters to achieve a distinctive feeling that's fun, engaging and/or satisfying to play with, a feel that can make you enjoy a weapon or character a lot and ideally make you want to play them more to get good with it, it is a very varied and subjective topic, because everyone likes different guns and shooty things, but when its there you feel it, and you miss it when it's not there, Deadlock really lacks polishing in that department, because almost no gun feels punchy and fun to use, most of them are basic automatic peashooters thay barely tickle the enemy with almost no feedback, specially in gun based heroes which is egregious.

is that specific enough?
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>>569074829
>her kit is kinda fucking scary
She's like the Ryu of Deadlock very basic spirit nuker.
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>>569082298
Where the skill gap comes from between e6 and e1 that allows them to carry an ascendant team?

At this point you have to be a team leader and just make better macro decisions? or are you just mechanically better?
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>>569083054
Ego
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>>569083054
the difference between e6 and e1 is day and night
in an e4 lobby i was doing proxy calico pisseasy and cutting waves, free win
i just played with eido/saiah/lordnm with the same strat and got shit on
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>>569083054
skill gap per rank isn't linear, it's exponential
the difference between the eternus subranks is bigger than the difference between whole ranks, an eternus 6 player is better than an eternus 4 player in the same relative way that an ascendant III player is better than a phantom III player, or an archon is compared to a seeker
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>>569078084
okay i'm gonna help you out before you keep saying retarded shit like "silver should be buffed". winrates don't tell the full story because a character can be very strong but very difficult to get value out of. characters that are easy to get value out of will disproportionately have higher winrates despite the actual strength of their kits (what you keep calling """qualitatively""" good) because most people are bad at the game. silver is pretty hard to play compared to lady geist or abrams, and consequently both of those characters have higher winrates (above 50%) but it would be insane to suggest silver should be buffed and those two should be nerfed
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>>569083747
nta but if youre looking at eternus 6 wr% wouldnt you only be seeing the maximum potential of the character? i doubt what youre saying would apply there. i think it applies to any other rank though
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>>569076413
Truth nuke but applies exclusively to pro play WRs and not pubs "win" "rates"
I'm not even kidding if you have any sort of trouble against these heroes, Deadlock isn't for you.
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>>569084956
>pro play
No such thing in this game
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>>569084956
and yet yoshi went and removed grave's arms with a chainsaw again
amazing play by the deadlock team. what will they come up with next?
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>>569085109
these kind of seeker posts is why yoshi only listen to pro players
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why do I see people complaining about Holliday and her bounce pad being futuristic but at the same time ignore everything about Paradox? you know the chic who has future tech on her???
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>>569085227
50 people circlejerking each other isn't a pro scene
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so genuine question why isn't every m1gger just outright rushing ricochet before 12m now? like you would get so much value on deposit just brooling. doesn't even need to be justified as a ricing item anymore with extended fights on urn now.
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>>569084956
pro play wins and losses make for such a small sample that the numbers might just as well not mean a thing
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>>569085227
>yoshi only listen to pro players
who are those pro players? when icefrog was making dota 2 he was asking the warcraft dota pros for advices, since deadlock is new which fucking pro did he ask for feedback? CS and dota players?
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>>569085272
difference in wrapping paper. Both are futuristic but one has an air of supernatural while the other doesn't
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>>569083605
>>569083570
You'd be amazed at how good the fart of an eternal 6 player smells.
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I think a big reason it doesn't feel like character strength correlates with WR right now is because of the lack of drafts. In drafted teams, pocket is perma pick/ban. Like 100% every game. But if you play him in normals, you'll end up in games where the enemy team isn't even running any meta frontliners, and you'll be completely useless.

In that sense, it makes perfect sense that Seven is always super high wr. What does he do? A little bit of everything. He's a sorta ult bot- but knockdown doesn't make him useless. He's a sorta m1 carry- but you can pick up some spirit items and just spam from range or play off your combos. He can farm jungle. He can fight ovjectives. He has enough cc to sideline. He's ok early, and pretty strong late.

When you're essentially draft gambling every game, jack of all trades characters will win more games purely because there are fewer games where they get shut down by a bad draft.

Sinclair is a perfect example too. Enemy has good ults? God tier. Bad ults? Throw pick
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>>569085587
E6GOD here, my fart smells like vomit+sewers. I also main doorman btw idk if that matters haha
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just played agaisnt a rem that stole all of his team sinners and never participated in any tem fight
ascendant lobby btw
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>>569085496
nigga cs players don't play this shit and dotards drown in shitlow
it's all overwatch pros
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every time I play Infernus I do no damage. this hero fucking blows.
>dash
ok retard have fun doing that against abrams doorman and all this other bullshit that displaces you, especially in a floor is lava meta.
>afterburn
ok retard good luck having 90% accuracy to light anything on fire and then your opponents not having dispel magic.
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>>569085587
laughed out loud at this post
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>>569078084
None of those characters need buffs, at all, they're already all obscenely powerful.
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>>569082872
what's an example of good gunplay?
because honestly you just described your feelings and they're retarded.
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>>569085794
>you guys really shouldn't trust me with responsibility
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>play defensively
>end up winning most of my games
>try and play aggressively (non support) push lanes and deal the most damage I can the entire match
>feed the enemy team
Nope. Nope. Never again. Nope.
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>>569085971
>other hero turning floor into lava from 60m away
>infernus has to turn floor into lava in melee
>without any of the stats of a brooler
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>>569078084
>They need small buffs
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>>569082872
>>569086118
Yeah I agree with the anon effortposting, the guns in Deadlock almost all feel like shit to use, and if you are laning against someone like Haze who has a gun that is just flat out better than most of the cast, last hitting souls becomes miserable.

Team Fortress 2 has better gunplay. Even DOOM has better gunplay.
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DEFINE. GUNPLAY. THAT ISN'T FEELINGS.
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>play ivy
>70% win rate somehow
>get bored, play someone else
>go back to ivy
>loss loss loss loss loss loss loss
what happened...
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>>569086886
MM system is currently trying to derank the shit out of everyone
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pov you missed the parry
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>>569086886
>>569087009
truth, eternus 3 and just getting TURBO retard games like 5 times in a row. like completely unwinnable games where my shivs like 2-16
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>>569087017
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>>569086886
What are you trying to build? Im finding that supportcucking is the strongest build right now
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>>569076597
shiv is also played a lot in pro games and has a negative wr there
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>>569086781
Gunplay is the way that guns feel in a game, though.
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>>569087306
How do you explain that one game where Shiv carried? You can't
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>everyone seems to watch SuperTF
>check him out
>he spends like 10 minutes arguing with his chat about how saying "noticer" isn't antisemetic and that he's actually woke and then singles out people in his chat disagreeing with him opening their profiles and inspecting their pfps
Why do people watch this guy?
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>>569087118
so no different than "pro" games, huh?
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>>569087413
>mere noticing is an antisemitic dog whistle now
The noticing is at critical levels.
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>>569085496
unironically ex-overwatch people, maybe a handful of tf2 guys here and there (e.g. uncle dane)
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ASPENSISTERS EMERGENCY MEETING IN THE 'CORD, NOW! THEY'RE DIGGING UP OLD EVIDENCE AGAINST US
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Shiv is a hero that feeds 90% of the time but the 10% of the time you meet a god Shiv he is just too memorable whether in your team or the enemy. Once he gets fed everyone notices the dude diving 1v6 and never dropping below 3k HP, but when he isn't fed he is so weak people forget he even was in the match.
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>>569087413
Only watch his Deadlock content. He's pretty funny and honestly kind of like a zoomer northernlion. Compared to most DL creators especially.
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Now that metro has joined the epstein pedo class, we need to elect a new /ourguy/ of /dlg/.

I will nominate Eskay, the femme fatale of Deadlock
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>>569087168
This is the support cuck build. Nova and Heroic Aura are basically essential for urn fights. All that healing + passive bullet resistance + dps boost. Early Hex good for roaming. Slowing Bullets is just amazing in general. Vortex Web fits perfectly into what Ivy wants to do. You can replace the Rescue Beam with Silence Wave or Knockdown if it makes more sense. Literally just rush T3 skills. 333444111222. Can max tether after ult if you want to build tempo after web but I've found more success with having spammable roots up.
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>>569088013
This is the truth. I vividly remember being raked over the coals by Shiv the other day but that only happens like 1% of the time.
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>>569048579
so who drew lil' abrams?
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>>569086781
it was a word invented by call of duty players like 20 years ago and nobody has ever questioned what the word actually means.
the retard probably thinks guns should jump all over your screen when you start shooting.
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>>569086118

Quake, Titanfall/Apex, CS, Overwatch, hell even fucking Fortnite are examples of games that have generally good gunplay, like, subjectivity aside those games nail really well their weapon's identities via not only their visual designs but the way they work as well, you get to know by feeling what a rocket launcher is, what an ak-47 is, what a pump shotgun is, etc.

>>569086781
I literally explained what gunplay is from an objective standpoint in my original post, learn to read retard.
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>>569088013
>>569088194
You're supposed to identify a fed shiv and just pick up a curse but thanks to haze we got a damage penalty added to it and now no one besides the cuckiest supports will bother building it. And you'd better hope they have the foresight and space to do so.
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>>569088616
see below again
>>569086118
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>dynamo buys mystic reverb instead of refresher
>lose
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>>569088681
>Gives 6 examples
>Umm whats an example?
Deadlockers are so sensitive to criticism, its so sad and pathetic.
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>no one ever posts guess the hero with bizarre pub builds
Items need a rework, there's not enough variety
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>>569089172
>Dynamo buys refresher instead of unstoppable into a paige abrams
>just gets stunned both times
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counter building is such a joke, maybe 1 or 2 items might be needed for the enemy team
it's all just based on whoever has the highest stats or playing the most broken hero in that lobby
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>>569087789
I mean it is isn't it? Saying "im nooticing" usually relates to jewery
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>>569089381
guess the hero posts are boring because 90%of the time it's just Rem throwing.
Who gives a fuck? Item variety needs some looking at too but there's also like 50 characters at best and most of them like the same items even if you made the shop more varied.
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>>569088681
what else do you want me to say? you want me to explain bit by bit how the fucking AK-47 from counter-strike sells both precision and power via its ability to oneshot people with a headshot an it's strong yet learnable recoil?

how in TF2 the Scout's Scattergun manages to differentiate itself from the other classes's shotguns by literally just using a different model, sounds, animations and dealing 14 more points of damage when point blank while everything else is mechanically the same?

do you need this explained as if you were a toddler?
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>>569089726
There are 38 heroes in the game currently.
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When are we getting a REAL revolver hero? And no Holiday/Geist don't count, their guns feel too cartoony.
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Silver's bola should have charges it's such a dogshit spell it only exists to piss off movement trannies
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>>569089924
Holliday's gun should be reworked to have 6 shots and only ever have 6 shots, ammo increase should be divided between damage and spirit power instead.
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>>569089737
I am sorry anon, I would ask but you are really terrible when it comes to explaining this. You almost sound like you're making arguments against your own claims on accident.
>how in TF2 the Scout's Scattergun manages to differentiate itself from the other classes's shotguns by literally just using a different model, sounds, animations and dealing 14 more points of damage when point blank while everything else is mechanically the same?
I can't even tell if you're satisfied with the scattergun or not, all you're really saying here it's that its different from the other guns, and that's good, I guess?
I mean fuck every gun in Deadlock is different from each other, that doesn't help any of your points on "LE NO FEELING THE GUNPLAY NO GOOD."
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investment bonus is bad game design and kills build variety but you shitters are probably not ready to hear that
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is metro guilty or not
i'm not reading 38 page google dockey
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>>569090237
what does the investment bonus even do
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>>569090237
Build variety has been dead since the shop update

An "experimental build" is usually just getting 1 or 2 off meta items
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I've actually been climbing despite having some really bad games. Also, how dishonest am I.
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Investment bonus should have another special bonus at 9.6k that gives an even greater bonus but you can only get one of these bonuses.
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>>569090312
You get bonus gun damage/health/spirit based on how much you have spent in each shop category.
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>>569090360
Paradox, Viscous, Venator, Abrams, and Vyper are the only honest ones here.
Counting your recent game history, though...? Lash is the only honest hero there. Sorry.
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>>569090360
>cheats
Dishonest.
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>>569090360
>2.5k games
>still ascendant
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>>569090543
>vyper
>honest
Explain to me how that 100000 stamina across the map in the blink of a fucking eye reptillian SCUM is honest unironically? This must be a jest
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>>569087949
this is just embarrassing as fuck independent of whether or not it's morally objectionable. aspen could get it but a simp like this can never be /ourguy/
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>>569090158
>>569089924

How about a revolver roulette character. When you are at full mag you have a 100% chance to fire a bullet. If you are 50% mag you have a 50% chance to missfire/jam/alt-fire.

Perhaps the alt-fire gives you stacking amp/buff tied to a passive.

Your abilities are also more powerful the more empty your mag is.
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>>569090543
>vyper is honest
>has a point and click execute at the start of lane
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>>569090818
I run mainly punch builds and end up losing a lot but at least I have fun. But I'm also a NEET who spams games almost every waking moment. The only time I'm not is when I'm working out.
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>>569090818
when an arcanist is speaking, I sit my ass the FUCK down and LISTEN
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>>569090360
>2500 games played
I feel burned out with like 400 logged.
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>>569089924
>cowboygirl
>doesn't fan the hammer on her revolver
Replace the random headshot passive with Silvers slam fire.
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how does a kelvin get this much healing, holy fuck
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why do characters have to say a specific line every time they do an attack? are they all autistic?
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>>569090216
These retards asked me to explain this shit without using "feeling" so I resorted to that, I fucking love the scattergun from TF2, I am generally a sucker for big semi auto bursty weapons, other examples I can give are the Prime Shotgun from Fortnite, the Railgun from Quake or Cassidy and Ashe from Overwatch, these weapons just go BANG and deal a lot of damage if you know how to use them, they're great, obviously though that doesn't mean I can't appreciate the more automatic side of weapons, the CAR in Titanfall feels great for example, I also love the MK-seven assault rifle in Fortnite, they're solid damage dealers that feel damn good if you manage to hit a whole clip with them, Deadlock's guns feel puny as fuck in comparison to these examples, they just don't feel how they should, it doesn't help that most guns end up being fairly standarized due to the whole "do an aim labs routine to farm" thingie, even the fucking shotguns feel puny, I don't know how they managed to do that lmfao.
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>>569090360
How is Geist recently?
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>>569091426
she is cancer
>I AM REBOOONNN!!!!!!!!!!
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>>569091426
She's really strong. In that game I 2v1'd wraith/M&K but they had rejuv. Popped wraith's rejuv and then I died. The wraith was also 10k up on me.
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inhouse 5/12
GMB0B
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>win lane in 4 minutes
>all enemy guardians down in 9 minutes
>fast forward 35 minutes
>lose
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>>569091358
anon, the gun meta was in full swing a few weeks ago
pre-nerf warden and pre-nerf vyper were actual gun demons, but they've been doing a lot of changes to the overall gun damage since redditors were complaining about it
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>>569091530
>>569091740
All the pros are saying she's bad and outclassed though?
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>graves
>JUST WALK AWAY, BRO!
>lady geist
>SHE'S LIKE...SO STRONG AND OVERPOWERED!
idgi
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ok i read google dockey
so the big thing is that metro had feelings for a 16 year old? like he didn't groom her or prey upon her or anything? is that it?
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>>569091358
I think it's mostly just because the guns in deadlock don't have any weight or gravity to them, as weird as that sounds.
Like you shoot an enemy, they don't get knocked back at all. You shoot a gun, it's more like you have an SMG gun as the default for almost all of the characters. Also, the fact that it's third person, and it becomes much harder to convey the weight of real guns or bullets does NOT help the problem this game has with gunplay.
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>>569092024
all of the pros also say dynamo and haze are b tier or c tier so idfk
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>>569092024
Pros downplay overpowered shit and upplay garbage.
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>>569092246
I'm pretty sure that was something that was schizo'd into existence by a jealous ex of his.
vindictive, parasocial women like that kind of suck, yeah
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>>569090268
the ones he's raunchy with are 19 and the ones he has completely normal human interactions with are 17+364+23:59:59
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>>569083747
Silver is not hard to play lmao
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My CPU reaches 98°C after one game of deadlock
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>>569092608
Yeah she's just bad but upplayers have to cope by pretending she's hard to play
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>>569092503
what do you mean, like "yellow" in the doc made that up? it seems like he agrees with yellow that he has feelings for the girl
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>>569090237
I don't like it either. I liked the old one where there was innate stats built into the colored item, instead of attaching it to a certain investment amount.
it makes me feel pigeonholed on my builds.
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>>569091857
Yeah but like I mentioned it because gun metas being unpopular could be attributed in part to the weapons feeling fairly "meh" to use

>>569092293
Yeah, pretty much, they feel like you're shooting nothing.
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This borderline schizophrenic discussion around Silver's balance might be the worst ritualpost i have ever seen on a /vg/ thread
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>>569091834
>no unstop
>ascendant
lol
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>>569085638
>Sinclair is a perfect example too. Enemy has good ults? God tier. Bad ults? Throw pick
Base Sinclair kit is quite good enough to be a good pick regardless of enemy comp. Sinclair goes from good to god-tier.
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>>569092608
>has to aim to do damage
immediately in the upper echelon of difficulty
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>>569088110
don't you have any other pictures of him?
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Based on what I've read, Deadlock does in fact have good gunplay.
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Silver's juicy, puffy, sopping wet cookie...
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>>569091358
why don't you just play shotgun heroes, like abrams pocket silver m&k, if you just want to use shotguns?
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>>569093562
first /vg/ general?
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>>569094191
what does cookie mean?
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>>569092293
>it's third person
that's probably the only reason you guys feel like the guns are wimpy.
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>>569094191
Stinks
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Nu-urn makes the fact that the melee and parry system in this game is dogshit undeniable
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i have ptsd from the urn sfx
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>>569095097
>cheery_music.wav
>heavy_punch.wav
>clink.wav
>gloomy_music.wav
>heavy_punch.wav
>parry.wav
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>have to HEAVY melee a shop once for every item you buy
Good idea, no?
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>play seven
>press 1 from 50m away on the urn dunk spot, press 3 and hold down m1
>if enough enemies dumb enough to contest walk up press 4
>win every game
this shit is so retarded and im saying this from the perspective of the abuser
what was wrong with the urn we had before?
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>>569094191
Brown or pink?
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>>569095693
I bet your dad heavy melee'd you as a child
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>>569095693
for what purpose?
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yoshi should add hidden blocks where you have to heavy melee to get a random buff
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>>569095728
>play seven
>opponent is running towards turn-in point
>press 4
>deny them from the point
>they can't dunk and you win the fight
you're so right xister, old urn was way different.
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If your health reaches 0 you shouldn't die, you should be downed and an enemy would have to heavy melee you to kill you.
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I don't like metro but this entire document is such a schizo hitpiece almost feel bad for em. Dozens of "Discord chat logs" like nigger what the fuck, this is why society has mandated getting married asap and minding your own business for as long as civilization has existed otherwise it ends up with spinster garbage such as this
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Souls can only be confirmed by meleeing them, thoughts?
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>>569096107
Lane creeps health orb unironically needs to be meleed to secure.
Also be careful with your joke ideas because devs clearly read this thread based on how many throwaway suggestions I had that got implemented into the urn changes the next patch after.
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>>569069790
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>Billy and Vic on team every game
>they both go 0/12 and do no damage
I think I'll just take a little break
just go do something else for a little while
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>>569095912
this is patently untrue though
before you could absolutely dunk and just run away because seven's ult takes time to actually do its damage
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Holy shit this game is so boring when you're losing
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>>569094615
those cookies need some glazing.....
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>bebop buys transcendent cooldown first item
ok I know I've lost this match time to AFK
>but anon surely he'll use hyperbeam
you'd think lmao he didn't use his ult once for over 20 minutes from 10 to 30 mins
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>>569096301
High caloric wolf milk
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>>569095924
yoshi add this
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>>569068409
Makes me take it less seriously when it's fucking 20 year olds bitching
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>>569092293
To me it's a matter of reverb and audio mixing(I'm a pleb in audiophile realms but I think those are right). It's intentional, of course, as one needs clear audio to hear your teammates yelling so you don't get something where the goal was for shooting to be about punch. Each weapon just needs to sound somewhat different. Take Sniper in Dota 2, for instance. His auto attack sound is wimpy by design, but his ult is one of the better firearm sounds in videogames with how many layered elements and punchy it sounds. They could have the weapons be really good base sounds, but they would lack reverb and echo to make them sound good like they do in reality because cranking the volume up obscures the soundscape. Though Vindicta's ult is a clear case of poor sound design as it lacks any oomph
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I feel like i reload too much and i'm not sure if it's because i suck at aiming, shooting at the wrong moment or just fail to figure out sliding and shooting
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>>569097652
Some characters just have fuck ass reloads, ex warden. Just gotta buy quicksilver/mercurial magnum, or vampiric burst.
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>>569098083
I'm playing Vyper, i would rather learn what i'm doing wrong and improving on it rather than bandage my skill issues buying items
Should i just avoiding shooting if i'm too far away?
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>>569098223
Vyper is definitely in the quicksilver reload camp. You should also be grabbing the slide distance+fire rate item. With those you should be unloading like 100+ bullets before needing to hard reload
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Help me deliiiiiiver this thing
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making babies with silver so her tits fill out with milk
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Do you always rush the spirit/gun 4.8k or is there a hero that wants hp 4.8k first?
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>>569096435
so now we're pretending there's only 2 people in the match?
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>>569096456
thats every moba #truke
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so the worst thing to surface out of this is that... metro played video games with girls, and he talks shit about his team and has one stupid clip which clearly isn't serious about getting sucked off?
these hoes need to be banned from the internet.
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Sinclair is being slept on massively, unironically top 5 most powerful hero.
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>women are so fucking demented they'll hold dirt on you for 10 years over video game drama
never a greater time to go gay lads
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>>569099927
>Pick Sinclair
>Dicerole an enemy team with ineffective ults
>Lose
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>>569099927
he would be killer in a draft mode imo
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>>569099976
I would, but I'm not a faggot.
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I need your help 4chuds. I noticed on street brawl that magic carpet feels surprisingly nice for Mina. I want to make a build but my low elo knowledge prevents me from making anything good. If anyone feels like messing around with the carpet and knows what he's doing I'd appreciate it a lot
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>women are crazy so time to get poop on your dick with faggots (mentally ill by definition)
uhh no thanks, rather get fucked by matchmaking really
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>used to be able to deny souls on team mates dying as well as on walkers when your team were being terminally fucking retarded
>now you get none of that because they made the mistake of kelvin being allowed to use his beam to secure shit and it was way too powerful and instead of removing that functionality they just removed the souls entirely
>now we wonder why games snowball so hard
l o l
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>>569100031
bunnymax retard
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the greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he's only good with a draft
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>>569100152
>Siphon bullets
Huh?
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>>569099927
People still think they're enemy comp dependent... Sinclair just needs to land the bunny to win a 1v1 against most heroes, or win a teamfight.
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>>569100169
bottoms literally diet and clean their assholes out completely to prepare for anal sex. they unironically have the cleanest assholes on the planet. there is no poop.
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>>569100250
that's not why they removed it. lying doesn't help your arguments.
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>>569100503
Not gonna derail the thread anymore than this but homos trying to convince anyone their sexual fiend club isn't a hub of STDs is insane
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>>569100503
freshly douched venator hole.......
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>>569100539
i remember when paradox's carabine actually did damage
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>>569100654
I won't deny there's a lot of promiscuous faggots out there but some gays just want the one partner.
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>>569100731
>>569100539
i remember when i could fucking see and everything wasnt dark as fuck
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>>569100152
What is cold front even used for?
farm?
a tiny bit of extra burst damage?
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>Yeah fortitude is great bro just hide like a cuck for 10 seconds (more like 30+ seconds) to get your hp back, just don't let the enemy hit you (once) or take any camps
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>>569100831
burst damage before the rake
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>>569100831
cold front is good on any and all close range burst characters
which mina is
it's a waste if you're playing an afk farm playstyle but if you're aggressively fighting all the time I could see it being good
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>>569099126
silver, shiv sometimes
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>>569099126
when i get an unwinnable lane as ivy sometimes i'll just go healing booster + fortitude to stall forever
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nahui play mokrill blyat
https://youtu.be/dMb3byHXwjE
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>>569101670
russians are kino
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>>569100781
Gays don't even see their "partners" as people, this is why you have shit like ancient Greece and Japan where they literally went after children and told themselves it was straight. Their culture is legit evil.
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>>569090237
>>569093035
the old investment bonus was just as bad where it just pigeon holed you into getting four t1's of each category (always the same ones) before you were able to do anything.
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>>569100424
I think It's the best sustain item for Mina, it does extra damage and you should be able to kill them before they get their life back.
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>>569100270
Bunny is the most overrated cc on the planet. It's not even a straight buff for your team, unless your entire team is directly on top of them ready to heavy melee. The smaller hotbox will save them from extra damage more often then hurt them. Without a few broken op ults to steal, you're basically just a shittier version of Paige.
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>>569090237
I will build hybrid on every hero, YOSHI GIVE US JUST 1 MORE FLEX SLOT PLEASE YOU TOOK 2 AWAY FROM US IN THE SHOP UPDATE
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>>569102337
it's an AoE curse. If you can't click a rabbit that's a skill issue
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>>569100731
I have a clip somewhere when the shop rework just happened where I was playing yamato, rushed and killed a haze in less than a second and then immediately got headshot for over 3k and died to a paradox across the map
>>569100817
They need a legacy lighting setting because I prefer the older lighting much more.
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I think I've seen a single apollo out of 30 games since he got gutted, everyone playing him really were just metaslaves
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>>569101129
fortitude is more the health gain. the regen passive is just a side effect
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>>569102337
Small hitbox does not save you from most forms of damage in this game. Hell if you're a rabbit you're probably getting slowed by something else already, so the hitbox adjustment doesn't matter much.
Sinclair builds can easily reach 35% damage amp on the hex too, and don't forget this applies to every team member. It's enough that I don't need to curve my bolts and just lob them straight at the enemy to 100-0 them.
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>>569102687
Well that and also he's just terrible now.
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Should i ever go back to base to heal?
Even when i lose my 95% health it feels like shit to just go back so i end up rejoining the fight
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>>569103049
Depends but yes there are conditions. If you're like 400hp and have boost and someone is running the urn, naturally you should back and join the urn fight at full.
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>>569102594
No it is not. Read the tooltip. Curse doesn't increase the cursed enemies move speed by 40%, or cut their hitbox in half. Use your brain. "Bluh bluh high elo hit your shots" eternus players aren't robots, they miss too.

The character is fucking cheeks. He exists to keep even more retarded characters like dynamo in line, and that's it. He has a shit pick/wr in normals, and he's literally never p/b in DLNS. He's shit.

Feel free to post stats to prove me wrong.
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>>569103049
As you get higher in rank enemies will be more prone to diving your tower if you're low enough.
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Why did Yamato's pick and ban rate climb after the urn changes?
I understand Graves, McGinnis, and Kelvin, but Yamato?
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>>569103049
Don't EVER go back to heal unless you're a frontliner that's at 5% HP and even then you might still find some value by staying to CC someone from around a corner. Especially don't go back when your hero can contribute by staying far from danger. You can sometimes bait enemies to overcommit to kill you, or you can be the final bit of damage that turns it from 6 low HP enemies getting away to a teamwipe into midboss.
Once you find out your limits then you can go reset at base.
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add the most retarded possible mechanic in the game that may improve or ruin the game:

heroes weight factors in how much stamina they get at the beginning of the game and how much damage they deal with melee, i.e light heroes like Graves and Holliday has more stamina but needs to invest in melee items while obese heroes like Dynamo has less stamina but punches like a motherfucker
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>>569102286
what are you talking about there was no old investment bonus.
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>>569103049
Get fortitude and you never have to go back
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>Start Deadlock
>Title Screen
>Infernus: BLAGH!
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>>569100654
PREP pills are basically just a normal part of gay culture now with how rampant HIV is for them
>>569103919
They buffed her for some reason when she was already pretty broken and the metaslaves finally found out just how broken she can get
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REMINDER: Metro is /ourguy/
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>>569105323
he realises that his rep as a sqeaky clean tuber is dead forever so he may as well cater a chud audience
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>>569105323
Nigger smurfed irl
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>Metro sexts a 19 year old as a 28 year old, like the SICK FUCK that he is
>Now he will be compared to Epstein and Diddy until the end of time
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>>569071412
Nice nose, though the hair could use some actual black lines here or there, or other colours to clarify the shape
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>>569103049
dying takes longer and also gives the enemies souls, the people replying to you are retarded. Just buy healing rite and you can avoid going back the majority of the time over chip damage.
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>>569071412
cute schnoz
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Deadlock is essentially Halloweentown if you break down the demographics.
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>>569073532
>>569073916
>muh heaking graves
Nigger she has no stamina, her root was nerfed, her ghouls were nerfed, her skulls were nerfed and her entire kit is still counterable, she easily does like 20% less damage across her entire kit idk what more can be nerfed
>but muh heaking winrate!!!
SEVEN IS RIGHT THERE NIGGGR YOU ARE A GAY NIGGER
>>569074268
>gungraves that didn't use the skulls or ult in any serious capacity was fine
It really wasn't, it's like gun lash and gun victor in that WR aside it betrays the concept of the character
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As today is the start of pride month I just want to say that the movie "call me buy your name" won oscars and is considered a masterpiece of lgbt film and it's about a relationship between a 17 yo and 25 yo
Metro should've just been gay/trans and he would still have a career
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can anyone explain moba balancing?
in street fighter 6, capcom posts matchup charts of the full spread of its roster. Sorting by the highest viewable bracket (masters, which is around the deadlock equivalent of high oracle) we can see that Honda has an overall matchup winrate of ~51.7%. Meaning that in equal skill, Honda wins ~51.7% of the time.

Granted, this doesn't mean Honda that overpowered, the reality is that honda players are so rare that no one bothers labbing the matchup and just don't take the runback.

Now in Deadlock, going by Statlocker some characters have winrates of close to 60% in eternus 6+. How the fuck is that even balanced? Out of a lobby of 12 equally skilled players, ONE person picking ONE character swings the match by 10%?? What happens when you stack multiple characters together like McGinnis Seven Haze Dynamo Victor? Against a team containing Holliday and Sinclair?

How can anyone stomach playing a game with balancing this dogshit? Do moba players really eat this shit with a smile on their face?
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>Graves summons gutted because the playerbase mentally cannot handle a summoner character
>Graves gun gutted because the playerbase mentally cannot handle an autoaim character
So is this character even allowed to exist or what? At this point I've played basically all of the good urnbrool characters and Graves is the ONLY one where the enemy team gets mad if I do well. Not Mikuginnis, not Victor, not Dynamo, not Ivy
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>>569106406
Pretty sure lgbt+123 folx made grooming a mainstream word to cover up the fact that's how most homosexuals act around the youth
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>Graves nerfed
>Seven still has a 58% winrate
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>>569098837
this but mina, she needs it
if vampires can't conceive then celeste
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>>569103919
>Why did Yamato's pick and ban rate climb after the urn changes?
Her ult gives unstoppable which is great for urnbrool which is otherwise a parryslop shitshow
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Why would a ghost from the 1700s paint her toenails?
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>>569105675
why do you keep trying to force this meme?
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>>569075151
You need to sort for last 24 hours since the nerfs were recent, that aside graves is cursed, she's either S tier or F tier with no in-between
>>569077863
They're not comparable though, mcginnis only got her range considerably reduced, the rest of her damage and ability was practically untouched. On the other hand graves basically has a -15% damage debuff across the board, I'd like it if they'd at least give her 3 stamina
>>569076413
But that's not how people act, seven has the highest WR across the board on all ranks for the longest time possible and no one bitches about him, and as others said shiv is downright broken but he has a bad WR so going by WR we'd buff shiv
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>>569106729
Graves knows nothing until she has been nerfed as many times as viscous. He is definitely the game's most hated hero. And he is a hero.

>punch nerfed
>gun nerfed in every way possible
>splatter nerfed(then buffed back a bit)
>stats scaling nerfed
>ball urn runs gone
>alot of his cool movement tech, gone
>no updated model
>still using kelvin's gun
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>>569107212
It's not polish, lil kip.
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>>569107212
Because she wants to attract Shiv
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>>569107298
shiv has a wife and kids bro...
he is a family man
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>>569107212
I do not see painted toenails in this picture, those are fingernails.
And girls since time immemorial have tried to be cute so they can take my seed.
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Need a T5 that gets unlocked at 30 minutes with street brawl tier legendary items.
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>>569107275
Viscous is more proof that March 8th patch killed the game
>Goes from a balanced hero to a buffed meta hero to being nerfed into literally nothing
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>>569107401
Have those harlots succeeded..?
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Pumping for Geist...
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>>569107275
You forgot that his cube has been nerfed a few times.
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>>569090360
>seven GT mirage
Very dishonest, but who cares
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Just give Viscous a total kit and model rework at this point if you're going to make him a garbage throw pick
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>>569107734
I like his kit, the problem is they won't let the rest of it be good because of how strong the cube is.
Although splatter isn't that bad right now anyways since they gave it the old t3 by default and instead let you get even more bounces with the new t3.
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>>569107298
this crackship is so insane that I can only assume that it's just three fujos passing art between eachother.
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>>569105323
>talks about being a bottom in a gay relationship unprompted in one of his streams
He'll never be our guy
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>>569107949
you don't know what the word fujo means
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>>569108150
yume*
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>>569108150
Fujoshi, it's usually 25+ year old women shipping two male characters together in a gay way
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>>569106729
S tier or F tier with no in-between, take it or leave it.
summoner graves is "fine" if you get carried a little and they run into your zombies but it's too inconsistent and depends on me not going against a smurf or someone with brain cells. I'm thinking of dusting off the old gungraves and hybrid graves builds
>>569107393
>wife
I don't think that was ever stated, we only know he has or had a kid
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>>569108216
there we go
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>>569108216
thats better
>>569108326
thank you anongpt
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>>569088110
it's unreal how disgusting eskay is
hate troons so fucking much for publishing their inbred hapsburg phone addicted tard faces everywhere
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ok Infernus is just a terrible hero.
you play him like a gun carry without any gun steroid abilities.
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>>569108353
Anyway my point still stands I've only seen like three artstyles draw them together and I don't know what could've spawned it.
They don't even have any conversations together implying anything, that's Shiv and Geist not Shiv and Vindicta.
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>EU players flame and scream in mic calling each other retarded nigger faggots and other slurs in their native tongues all game
>still fight to the bitter end
>NA player asks his 0-2 lane mate at five minutes maybe to play a bit safer
>he deletes all his items before afking in base
why do NA players have such weak mental?
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>>569107581
me..............
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Can we actually meme "Sinclair is hidden S-tier OP" before the total kit overhaul?
It would be really funny having Valve release an emergency hotfix for a hero they haven't touched in half a year just to keep the game playable a few weeks before they give Sinclair that rework they've been brewing.
And it's always funny when the community is proven to be collectively blind. A hero suddenly being OP would demonstrate that.
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>>569108559
Mina and Paige don't have any convos either yet they're shipped together like crazy
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>>569108747
Yeah but they're two girls and losers (lesbians and straight men) love lesboslop
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>>569077802
I love shiv
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I'm Tricksy!
>https://files.catbox.moe/xosodt.mp3
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>>569085587
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>>569108538
He's fine, you just need to aim for afterburn, and reapply it if they're above initiate and counterbuy
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>>569108742
>One of the best abilities in the game for urnbrool and stealing midboss (rabbit)
>One of the best teleports in the game (assistant swap)
>Can make the OP ult people like Dynamo feel impotent by having their ult but better and on a much lower cooldown
>Nobody plays him, one of the lowest winrates in the game
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>>569109093
Nothing gave me more faith for deadlock than when this godawful fucking model got leaked and everyone immediately started screaming at valve for even designing it.
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>>569092608
>3 skill shot abilities
>Roamer player style
>Annoying fucking gun
>Most important skill needs aim
People say that wolf form is no brain but wolf form makes up only 20% of your time as silver. People who get value out of human form vastly BTFO people who don't.
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IM LITERALLY ALL THE WAY BACK IN INITITIATE WHAT IS THIS MATCHMAKING I HATE THIS SHIT VIC 4/18 SEVEN 2/15 AND VINDICTA 0/19 HOW FUCKING HOW HOW AND THEY GET PISSY WHEN YOU TELL THEM TO STOP DIVING LIKE ITS YOUR FAULT HOLY FUCK I AM GOING INSANE
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>>569107274
Forgot image
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>>569109370
what are they doing on calico to juice her win rate?
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>>569108350
>we only know he has or had a kid
where?
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>>569109283
you are right where you belong.
stop trying to climb and instead try to improve if you give a shit about your rank.
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>>569109704
Put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger there is literally nothing I can do when my team feeds wraith 32 kills and I can't make a dent in her health because of it you can sit here and cope all you want but that's the truth stop being a gay faggot
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>>569108326
>shipping two male characters together in a gay way
as opposed to???
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>>569092293
>>569097552
I agree with the original anon too.
I am a huge fan of Counterstrike, TF2 and PUBG for me too is an example of prime gunplay and I never play the mostly Gun M1 Carries in the game.
Guns dont feel like they have that heavy hitting feel behind them. I think its because of the Enemies feel like bullet sponges and you just dump mags into them does make your m1 feel useless.
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>>569109669
its a line from the patrons that got removed so that anons not correct anymore
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>>569091081
im the same as you but have only been playing since late february and have already 340 hours clocked in
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>>569109251
>>569108742
Sure that's funny but watching people get surprised to this day is funny in its own way too.
https://www.twitch.tv/mikaels1/v/2785215061?t=2831s
>drops a 1.7k nuke out of nowhere
>makes him buy a game losing Spellbreaker
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>>569101670
this is too funny lol
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>>569109704
You know what, to add on to this, double fuck you, you double nigger, I am so tired of this retarded gay cope by rank fags who queue with their friends and say WELL BRO YOU CAN DO IT IN SOLO TOO JUST PUSH EVERY LANE AND DEFEND EVERY WALKER ALL BY YOURSELF, no you fucking fantastically gay faggot I cannot do it it is impossible. It's even further more impossible when all I say in chat is "guys please stop feeding the carry" and these gay marvel rivals playing faggots hop on mic with their walmart ass mic mouthbreathing ass voice going HURRR WELL DO YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA DUDE HOW ABOUT SOME ACTUAL ADVICE OR SOMETHING OK BRO. THE RANK IS NOT EVEN THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE IS THAT THE GAME IS FUCKING MISERABLE WHEN YOU WIN LANE, RUN OVER AND WIN LANE FOR ALL YOUR TEAMMATES, AND THEN STILL LOSE AND THESE FUCKTARDS HAVE THE GALL TO SPEAK BACK WHEN THEY GAVE THE ENEMY CARRY 40 FUCKING KILLS FOR NO REASON GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I CANT TAKE IT I CANT FUCKING TAKE IT
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So what's the new cope response to "only shitlow players struggle with Graves" now that she's sub 50 in eternus again? Anyone know?
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>>569106657
hm i think sinclair is skewed by how hard he is to play. I would think on paper he is actually pretty powerful but I havent seen someone spamming the shit out of him so far to evaluate if its just the lack of players or if hes just dog
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>>569109252
I wonder what he'll look like lol
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>yoshit is doing balance changes around urn change
>dynamo exists
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>>569110578
probably "my shitlow teammates aren't buying ricochet"
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>>569109802
>literally nothing I can do
You can stop internalizing every unfortunate loss
You could pick a hard carry and get 30 kills yourself, since it's initiate
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BROOL CHADS WON BIGLY
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>>569109283
>>569110567
There are 6 potential retards on the enemy team.
Assuming you're not a retard yourself, there can only be 5 potential retards on your team.
The odds are always in your favor.

Also they have a point because "stop feeding the carry" is a tilt comm with no actionable plan behind it. I climbed out of Seeker never having said anything beyond "mid", "push green", or "back they're spawning". And these niggas probably didn't even speak english!
Besides you're being retarded right now, recognizing that your team is a mostly uncontrolled factor but not realizing that you have to play around that. Whatever problems you have with your team will not change as you rank. E6 players are still calling people the exact same rank as them boosted bots.
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you gain ranks faster when on a winning streak?
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>>569110070
>had a kid
>formerly meant to be a werewolf
>so evil even drifter acknowledges it
just wtf were they planning for this crazy bastard
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>>569111439
his two scrapped ults were turning into a huge monkey monster which got reworked into silver and having some sort of possession that when it ran out still had an execute attached to it.
Imagine if Silver had Shiv's current moveset + wolf form, motherfucker would be unstoppable.
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billygawd all the way to emissary
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>>569109619
General punch buffs + her bombs now give her stacking punch amp iirc
>>569109669
The hidden king said so
>>569110070
Why did they remove? I liked that about him, helped solidify his aesthetic as a guy who has been places
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I only play brawl
I only play bebop
no I don't win
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>>569111439
hes actually the troubadour
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>>569110578
Graves is not even half as powerful as seven but she will always cause massive disproportionate amounts of butthurt cause barley 18 body makes players horny
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>>569109802
>>569110567
hahaha fucking loser!
struggling in bot lobbies where people spend 5 minutes afk smoking hahaha!
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>>569111884
This looks cool, like warden's weird possession ghost during ult
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Matchmaking has never been this bad. I would legitimately prefer an entire update that overhauls matchmaking and the entire ranking system rather than proper new content.
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>>569112094
It's more like "the playerbase can't handle a character that has both autoaim and minions even though there are character that are just as skill-less in the roster"
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>>569112404
what is that image supposed to be
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>>569111439
They could just make Shiv into the opposite of Calico in regards to how they are as people.
>Calico left the Baxter Society to make more money, killing people as an assassin.
>Shiv got brought into the Baxter Society because he was being used as a Hitman but was sickened by the work he was doing and was brought in by GT and it saved his life (morality wise).
>Calico is all prose and proper, but lacks morality, kills for money without hardly a shit given.
>Shiv comes off as this gruff hard motherfucker that is cold, but really doesn't want to hurt people.
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>>569112417
this line is just cope from bad players who want a small ego boost, any actual good player knows 90% of this roster is extremely aim unintensive
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What green items do I build on Mina?
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>>569111439
>so evil even drifter acknowledges it
oddly enough, whatever Shiv was doing back then was so crazy was that even the Drifter tried to steer clear of Shiv without his "muzzle".
so he either had an extremely bad run-in with Shiv, or he heard from word of mouth all of the wacko insano shit Shiv was doing
you have to be one lunatic though to get the Drifter to begrudgingly respect and fear you, or at least your past self.
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It's over
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>>569113212
Colossus
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There isn't a single character with a high winrate that actually requires having good aim
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I like to think that this retarded image was made a chud who hates tumblrshit but genuinely loves Calico's design
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Calling all Gravesfags. I'm thinking about swapping Rusted Barrel into Disarming Hex with Spirit Sap into Focus Lens. Thoughts?
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>>569112417
Graves is by far the easiest hero in the game and you are retarded if you disagree. The 2nd easiest hero is Paige and even she needs much more skill to pilot than Graves
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>>569113813
i can genuinely think of 5 easier ones
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>>569113793
Only if the enemy uses abilities like mina or silver, if it's against someone like venator or drifter it doesn't matter and rusted is better
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>Team's Seven rushes lightning scroll
>No escalating exposure in sight
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>>569114423
Genuinely one of the most demoralising things in the game for me is hitting tab and seeing your Seven building for the ult
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>>569113212
dispel magic and counterspell, you don't need more
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>>569114182
Probably true. I'm just wondering how much I should consider slotting in more -spirit resist% items to compensate the damage nerf. Ultimately likely still better to just flex based on the enemy comp.
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>>569113813
>paigenigger back at it again
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>>569113770
If Calico came out today she would have quirky voice lines and be in the ritual to stop racism and the sides of her head would be shaved
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>>569114638
the damage nerf was a slap on the wrist honestly. in my graves games I don't even notice the reduction in damage, people still melt when you get the skulls and skeletons hitting them at the same time
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>check Metro doc
>2018
don't care fuck off
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>>569115625
He sexted a 19 year old child for fucks sakes you sick fuck.
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>metro is 36
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I tried to be nice
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>Metro committed virtual rape against me
>I will sit on this info for almost a decade and anonymously post Discord screenshots (totally not easily fakeable) when he becomes a successful content creator
Never thought I'd be defending Metro...
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>>569116171
did he though?
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I don't fucking know why but I just can't seem to understand how Sinclair's bolt thing skill works, I know you can redirect it but it feels weird
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>>569112578
tsukasa from lucky star
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>>569116223
The baxter society had your number he tried calling you but you didn't answer so its time to pull out the big guns
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>>569116235
I'm convinced the inconsistency (and actually having to aim it) is why he has a low winrate
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BLEED!
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/dlg/ crying about metro getting shat on like he didn't cancel ABL for being a chud lmao
Total Kazakh Victory
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Shiv has the best VA in the game (imo) but Warden's is pretty cool too his "It's time to change the world" is really cool but then when he gets killed he sounds like a cat being stepped on
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Welcome to my world, boys and girls.
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>>569116619
Can't believe this has been memory holed
Metro can't even build a chud audience now because he cancelled a guy for saying the muhfuggen nigga word
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>>569115254
>she would have quirky voice lines
She fights with her fucking cat lmao
>and be in the ritual to stop racism
Vindicta was in the game since day one
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>>569116625
>Shiv and Pocket have the same VA
>Shiv has some of the best voice lines in the game
>Pocket's lines are forgettable
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I have never seen a Silver, Paige, or Celeste player I believe to be at the very least passable as a normal person. Obviously all heroes have creeps who play as them(as indeed we are overrun by them) but reliably when one enters a match with these heroes they will have some sort of sex pest with a name like "cuddly feet pillow humpey dumpey" or some shit in all lowercase and their time will be spent being "ironic" or despicable in one way or another via text chat. They're the trifecta of "customized Discord Nitro profile". No other heroes are like this, not even the Yellow Fever Brat Correction Vampire Goth Slut Fetish Bait is a 100% hitrate for small dog rapist types. These heroes are like pride flags on a front lawn
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>>569116881
I dunno I kinda like Pocket's regretfulness when he kills people sometimes but yeah he doesn't have any 'quotable' lines
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>>569116881
>Pocket's lines are forgettable
he doesn't want to other people knowing he's alive so it kinda makes sense?
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>>569116881
Shiv's lines primarily come from the better game (Neon Prime) unlike Pocket
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>>569117003
>gay characters have gays that play them
oh wow........ who could've thought this would happen
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I TRIED TO BE NICE
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>>569117106
how is Paige gay? Paige gets wet whenever she see's Victor
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>>569115550
I dunno I'm feeling it in lane which is what made spirit sap seem potentially good. I'm used to Graves being weak in lane though so I'll just readjust to it.
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>>569117256
There's also literally nothing implying Silver is a lesbian but if you point this out you unironically get called a homophobe sometimes (minutely) im glad Russia is on EU I can't imagine how shit NA VC has become
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>>569116235
it's a dogshit broken skill (as in doesn't function) and that's why his win rate sucks.
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>>569114638
It's always better to flex unless you run into something uncounterable
>damage nerfs
I'm thinking of building gun items on graves, they scale objectively and separately from her so hypothetically, they can support her dogshit gun just like ivy's, from there a few spirit items and then a fuckton of greens and in theory graves can frontline and actually deal some damage, though i still haven't tested this
>>569115550
>the damage nerf was a slap on the wrist
>15% damage debuff across the board including scaling and current hp
>slap on the wrist
You have to be baiting
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>>569117358
>I can't imagine how shit NA VC has become
I was once unlucky to have four (4) different trannies on my team
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>>569117480
He also has a thousand bugs and annoying nonsense about him like if you copy Kelvin's Dome run 900000 km away do it to someone it'll just disappear because Kelvin domed or sometimes Mcginnis' ult just outright doesn't work
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>>569116619
I wasn't in the loop back then, what happened?
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>>569108559
they both know grey talon, so I can see whats the connecting point, but yeah they dont have convos.
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>The Baxtuh societeh saved my life.....now I'll saveh yoursss......
What did he mean by that?
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>>569117586
and what the fuck is up with his attack animation why is it 2 bolts but the accuracy is fucked he's just such a broken character and I don't want to bother learning him until they rework him.
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>>569117586
Slav said nigger in voice during a moba match
Masses shocked
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>>569117063
Shiv also looked better in Neon Prime. What happened bros?
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you know the real reason why /dlg/ hates Silver? its because she isn't gay and had her asshole stuffed by my nigga Big Abe
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>>569117764
I can believe it
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>"FUCK IXIGGERS. BASH THEIR DEMON SKULLS IN"
Why the FUCK did Valve allow Billy to have voicelines like this?? It doesn't help that his shoelaces are a dogwhistle for white supremacy.
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>>569117003
I am a straight white male and I enjoy playing Paige because I can engage low cortisol gaming by turning the ground into fire, torching trooper waves and jungle camps with 0 effort while I run between lanes and show up to an urn fight once in a while.
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>>569117586
>sometimes Mcginnis' ult just outright doesn't work
Goes for the McGinnis too when he steals it. Back when McGinnis ult was doing its first reign of terror I played her and if Sinclair would steal my ult it'd be a tossup as to whether or not the rockets fired or did damage. Sometimes the rockets would just halt halfway through the spell, but only if Sinclair currently had the ult. Some real spaghetti code going on
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>>569117820
woah sinclair, you can't just call anyone inbred thats fucking offensive!
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>>569117797
looks like scout with a different head.
I wonder if anybody smarter than me could place their profiles next to each other for comparison.
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>>569117797
>that weak chin
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>>569117860
I play Paige because she reminds me of Hanekawa
If only there was a cheat mod to make her Hanekawa... don't tell me I'm going to have to commission a mod maker
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>>569117809
>relegated to do shitter damage unless the enemy feeds you during lane due to the nature of melee items and yoshi REALLY wanting Abrams to be the punch guy
The moment they put in more melee items I'll accept the +18% melee lifesteal passive slop (doesn't even cleave btw) but currently Abrams is just a stun bot for the rest of his team.
They need to either give us more melee items, buff the current melee items or make it so that melee characters get better heavy melee scaling off of weapon damage.
Also buff t3 charge already 1.5 gun damage is fucking nothing
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wasn't the goal of the Baxter Society to wipe every monster on earth? why did Grey Talon basically adopt Shiv when Shiv is literally a walking ape?
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The Baxter society has your address and is sending pizzas and Qurans to your house
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>>569118062
you sound gay. we are not the same.
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>>569118240
valve removed shiv being a monster
he literally has no lore right now
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the bastard society
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>>569117881
McGinnis ult is still broken and will stop firing rockets if you hover over either stairs, breakables or adjust your aim too quickly, all three of which are very common to do.
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>initiate shitters wouldn't stop bitching and whining about spirit victor so now we have to deal with gun victor until the end of time which is a million times worse
it's all so tiresome
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>play shiv
>upgrade serrated knives
>"I'm gonna violate every last one of them"
What the fuck, Valve?
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>>569118663
He's right. You become a rapist once you have max knives. Only dispel magic can save them.
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So when it's the dinosaur fucker piece of garbage going to fix the urn?
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>>569117967
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>>569118663
he tried being nice
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>>569118663
Your anus will BLEED!
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Queen of Deadlock Eskay >>>>>>>>>> King of Deadlock Metro
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i get the game takes place in a time when racism was acceptable in the US but does Rem really need to say "I sliced his face open like Emmet Till" when he kills infernus?
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New urn has completely ruined the game and the more I play it the more my opinion has hardened. I think I'm done playing till its changed.
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>>569119484
I only play street brawl now, fuck urnslop
Can't wait until I become Obscurus again
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>Billy: "Total. Ixian. Death. Bash Ixian babies against walls. Behead Ixian women and rape their bodies. Boil Ixians in acid."
HOW THE FUCK DID THIS SHIT MAKE IT INTO THE GAME??
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>>569117860
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ghost hero when?
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>>569119863
Bro your Vindicta???
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I am a Paige player and I wear permanent chastity, if it matters. I get to rub my pathetic clitty for every assist I get, but I have to punch my balls for every kill I get because I accidentally stole those kills from my carries.
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why does this game constantly place Vin and grey talon on the same team? Just a guaranteed lost for my team.
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>>569120324
Certain characters have hidden flags checking for other characters iirc
I think Bebop and Lash have a similar flag to ensure they're in the same lane as well.
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>>569120324
>Vindicta and Talon are not only on the same team but they're in the same LANE
Why shouldn't I buy healing rite and egg and fuck off to break every box on the map?
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I just carried 3 games on viscous because the silver fag on the other team thought she could dive me just because I was farming alone (she literally fed me 4 kills this way) and my god it feels good holy shit
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>>569119785
>text that compacted
phone poster
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>>569120324
eomm
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>>569120521
I've noticed Billy and Abrams get put together a lot too
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>>569120324
niggers at valve will do anything but add draft
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>>569120521
you would think the game would go out of its way to NOT place the only two sniper characters on the same team constantly
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Grey Talon is a dishonest piece of fucking shit hero
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How are you supposed to get the "comeback" urn to the turn in spot if it doesn't give an aura until you've started depositing it? This shit makes no sense.
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>>569119943
oh yeah I love using Vindicta because I love phasing in and out of walls
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>>569118954
those are 2 shivs. what about a [neon prime] shiv v. scout?
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>>569120686
>get 6 dps on team
>lose
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>>569120923
>I love phasing in and out of walls
Just play Yamato
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>>569119785
always about sex and penises with you people.
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>>569121047
>my team gets three carries and three frontliners all choking eachother for resources
>enemy team gets two supports, warden and pocket just in case our team could potentially use lifesteal to try and survive
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Pocket is a dishonest tranny hero
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So do we have a comprehensive list of every character due for a remodel?
Like obviously Talon/Sinclair/Viscous/Vyper/Warden/Yamato are definitively yes, and the newest 12 are stable enough to be distinctive nos
But what about some of the older ones, or ones on the edge like Calico and Holiday?
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is there any way to play Yamato without being a retarded monkey that just runs at them all game?
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honest hero = hero I like
dishonest hero = hero I don't like
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We need a true anti-carry hero like legion commander where i can walk up to a m1gger like wraith, turn on return fire and then press 4 to kill her instantly
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>>569121549
Holliday's gun isn't even textured. she's less finished than some of the older heroes, like Infernus.
just have to look at what hasn't received any art touch-up or overhaul yet from prior to Old Gods.
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>>569121081
fucking insane how this still hasn't been fixed yet years later
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>>569121712
old M&K was this. solo kill anybody in a combo. but they had to delete it for some reason.
now you have to run around while burrowed spamming scorn.
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>>569120324
Same shit for Graves and McGinnis
Had like 5 games with them being on the enemy team together
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Is we getting fanservice in Deadlock soon?
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>>569121942
Only safe horny stuff
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>>569121942
>adult content
Who is having a problem with this when you can filter out everything?
People are acting like if they see a boob, their entire world will end
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>Billy feeds Drifter in lane
>lock in, rush disarming hex
>fend him off in the midgame
>lose because Billy did not stop feeding
Feels horrendous, man
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>>569121942
the hotel should be a hub where each character has a different themed room with them in it and you can go and develop relationships with them between matches and earn gifts to give them by completing matches and have hardcore sex with them by maxing the relationship and also an alt skin or something idk
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>>569122150
>who is having a problem with this
americans you can say rent free all you want they're so prudish about pornography and even nudity seeing a tit is like seeing a keter-class cognitohazard
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>>569116235
The misdirect hits the hero you're pointing at, or the surface you're looking at. It's quite consistent despite what the anons may tell you.
You may need to get creative if you want to turn it to a direction you can't actually see.
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>>569122150
I read the article, that's the crux of things. Lawyer wants Valve to comply with credit companies like Visa and shit refusing to engage with porn so Gaben called him retarded. It's valid.
>"Nooooo we can't do this what would my (((Credit Card Company))) think
To be thinking that is crazy.
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>>569117820
They can say it. It's their word.
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>>569122315
Gaben Credit Cards soon.
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First thing I'm buying with my Gabenbux is the legendary tier Paige bikini skin (jiggle physics included)
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>>569121712
Sinclair does just that but only to Wraith and Vyper. Also you need the rest of your kit, not just 4 and M1.
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>>569122150
There was a game like 7 years ago or something like that on steam that featured a scene of a baby being murdered, the game was about an ugly bustard in a zombie apocalypse raping torturing and goreing women, it was taken down after it caused alot of controversy, from the perspective of valve its not just worth it dealing with that shit especially if another controversy arises, from the perspective of the people who complain about this and cause it to get taken down it's cause people don't want to normalise degeneracy.
Don't shoot the messenger I'm just answering your question, i don't care either way desu because i don't buy retarded porn ""games""
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Shiv is the secret anticarry
>Buy return fire
>Clear damage taken
>YER DEAD!
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>>569122315
>Lawyer wants Valve to comply with credit companies like Visa and shit refusing to engage with porn
Unless you have access to the Bloomberg article the only context is
>One of those instances was a debate over whether to allow porn on Steam. According to one person who recalled the incident, Newell ripped into general counsel Karl Quackenbush when the lawyer advocated for more hands-on moderation on Steam. "What the f--- do I pay you for if that’s your opinion?" Newell reportedly interjected.
It sounds like he was more infuriated by the idea of having to pay jannies on top of his lawyers than taking any sort of stance
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ITS TIME TO URL BROOOOOOOOOL
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>>569122928
get some critical thinking, nigger. payment processors have been lobbying for anti-porn, and suddenly you have his lawyer asking for porn moderation on steam. what else could it be? they're going to come soon next for steam, rightfully so because it's the biggest vidyagame store
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>hmm lets buff Yamato so she can now fly across the fucking map now and phase through even more walls
what the fuck are they thinking
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>>569123137
They werent thats why they reverted it
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>>569123137
why does 2 need charges?
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>>569123137
これがセブンスムーンの力だ。
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>>569123061
>cheats
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>>569123234
she gets three now lol
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you know how Abrams is the face of deadlock? Yamato is that but for women
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>>569123124
I think you're reading into it what you want to see. If Valve was all about not caving into payment processors they wouldn't be touchy about hentai games whenever they get personal with them. Gabe was just angry his lawyer wanted him to hire hands to comb through shit instead of the lawyer doing his job
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>Valve is against censorship!!!
>Also Paige and Mina have void skirts (but Graves doesn't)
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i'm gonna miss alien yamato when she's gone
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>>569123545
Mina is the female mascot, though. She gets an insane amount of fanart. Meanwhile nobody gives a fuck about that tenhead alien
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>>569123657
prove it.
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Sex with the Hidden King
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>>569123930
>mascots
The game's mascot was ivy, the protagonist is abrams, the main female was geist, then haze, then geist again.
It may become Mina who knows
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Is it possible to play Tempo Gun Geist or is 30k souls mandatory on this hero?
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I'm the George Floyd of Deadlock, I can't aim.
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https://youtu.be/KurLBw1RarM
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>>569124340
I think the only thing mandatory is one horse item, and berserker sir.
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>>569124664
spellsinger 3x your dps
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>>569124664
Gun Geist is unplayable without Spellslinger.
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ok im gonna learn pocket now sorry for throwing my first like 100 games
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>>569124340
this build looks bad.
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Can Mcginnis stop being meta yet? The turrets needs to go away when the wall goes away, the ult needs to not apply debuffs, and the healing aura needs to not be a 40% spirit res buff too
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>>569124507
the only one I really like so far is Bebop.
https://youtu.be/2ALcIWPy-rs
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>>569125191
If your build is 4.8k gun before 4.8k spirit, you have no grounds.
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Hazeultbotniggers really think they deserve to live
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>Ult literally right next to someone as Pocket
>It doesn't pozz them with HIV/AIDS
Ok.
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>>569125124
wait im goated!!! How do I deal damage doe?
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>>569127062
Walk up to someone and press 2 then press 3 and space so it cancels immediately and you take 1/2 their HP then you shoot them for the rest of their health and teleport to the cloak if anything goes wrong. If you press 1 and land shots on heroes before you go in you get damage amp for your abilities and gun so they die even faster. Also you can throw your 2 at someone, press 3, and then teleport while in the case and Pocket jumps out of the case at the point you teleport to dealing damage there instead.
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>>569127270
ah ty i didnt know that tech with the suitcase teleport
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>>569127062
>boundless on pocket
unnecessary get mystic shot pocket is a gun spirit hybrid get phantom strike too its pretty good and underrated on him Pocket is a combo character you throw your cloak you jump in you afflict you get out you throw your cloak in case teleport cold front maybe afflict
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How the fuck do I play Drifter? Feels like I do no damage early, middle or late.
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>>569128225
he suffers right now in the team fight/urn aoe slop meta
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mystic reverb is so fucking dogshit
the ONLY exception being a 100+ stack GT or Bebop
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Genuinely how the fuck do you counterplay a Haze that has curse
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>>569128225
To do well as Drifter you have to HOPE the enemy team feeds you if they don't you're going to be literally worthless if the enemy aren't just running into you by mid game you'll have like 2 stacks and you'll just eat shit
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>>569128586
There's no counterplay to it just hope he never catches you alone.
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>>569128225
you dont and im not kidding
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>>569128586
indomitable
if you see it trigger, immediately pop your unstoppable then just turn around and kill her
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>>569128803
>indom + unstoppable
why?
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>It's another "I'm the only one on my team who waveclears yellow and green so I end the match with the most money and worst involvement/KD meanwhile my team suicides for 30 minutes and makes the game unplayable" episode
2/19/7 Seven player going on [All] to beg the enemy team to help report me for going 0/3/3 on Abrams bouncing back and forth left and right as a waveclear slave. How do these "people" make it to Phantom 4?
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>>569128586
plated armor and take height
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>>569129167
why are you clearing waves as abram retard? go teamfight
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>>569128134
how good is majestic leap on pocket? eido used to use it often in his build whats your thought on it
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>>569129282
Because if I don't our walkers are going to die for free
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thoughts on my new rem skin? no hablar ingles btw
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>>569129352
a walker is worth like one urn bro
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>>569129476
SHE WAS ONLY 19 YEARS OLD, CONSIDERED FULLY MATURE AND ADULT UNDER THE LAW, YOU SICK FUCK
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>>569129476
>>569129521
What a sick fuck... does he not know the age of consent is 25??? She doesn't have a developed brain for fucks sakes!
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>>569129557
>25
kys pedo thats literally a child
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>>569129476
americans are something else. crashing out over someone having dms with a 19yr old
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>>569129476
>>569129521
>>569129557
>>569129612
>She hasn't hit menopause yet
Fucking groomer
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>>569129476
i think metro is a whiny faggot but these """allegations""" against him are dumb as fuck
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>>569129476
the world is so fucked man
>erm she's literally 19 chud thats barely an adult
>an onlyfans? SHE'S SOOOOOO EMPOWERED *Claps*
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>>569129476
I'm going to call him a pedophile anyway because he's annoying.
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>>569129476
>>569129521
>>569129557
>>569129904
why is it anytime an eceleb faggot has allegations thrown at him, people always -without fail- post like this, cherrypicking the least weird thing and acting like it's the only piece of evidence?
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>>569129809
the hot new trend for barely sentient tiktok zoomers right now is larping as a vigilante pedo hunter, make no mistake that 100% of these ''people'' will bow their head to epstein and call him sir if he appeared infront of them right now
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>>569129337
As a Pocket player since 2024 its not really that useful anymore it used to be on like a 14 second cooldown but meh the cooldown is way too much to justify it anymore Imo
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>>569129924
based
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>>569129990
Sorry anon Im only responding to the screenshot not the rest of the E-celeb slop since I dont follow that shit like the gossip girl you are I dont give a shit about the wider situation im responding to the post with the screenshot in it not the wider situation
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>>569130098
i accept your concession
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I have 1000 hours and have had 0 incentive to actually smurf.
now I only play on my low phantom alt because this meta genuinely takes no skill, it's about which team has more AOE vomit they can throw on top of urn.
genuinely the worst meta this game has ever had.
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>>569129990
It’s funny
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>>569129395
it’s kino minus the stupid flag
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>>569127062
>How do I deal damage doe?
Maj leap, 1 while going upwards, z down and buffer your 1 amped affliction
win teamfight
that's literally it, this character is for brainlets that want to larp that they're playing a hard character.
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>>569129395
the ult sound for that is kino one of the best mods out there tbqhwy
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>>569071178
She a drunkard slob and only the werewolf curse is making her not an ugly overweight bitch.
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>>569130216
can icuck users post images not made for ants
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>>569130667
Her liver is stuck on a knife's edge of
>Catastrophic failure caused by her alcoholism and binge drinking sprees anytime she's in human form(and just got her latest paycheck which she will spend 95% of in less than 48 hours)
>Sudden rejuvenation brought on by her transformation into her werewolf form, with all the supernatural healing abilities that it implies
It's like a pendulum or a swing or something
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>>569130881
No joke that's how the images are compressed in the Google dockey
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>>569071178
shes trans. simple as.
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>>569129395
literal cheats. any mods that made ult sounds louder and much more noticeable are cheating. that being said it seems no one gives a shit so thats why i use auto parry
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>>569129151
Ult lasts longer than unstop, so people can wait out the unstop and then hit you with knockdown.
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>>569071178
She should have three, and that fatfuck Dynamo should have two.
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>Ultbot Hazes require no mechanical skill, just slowing hex early game and curse lategame before they press 4 and instantly nuke you
>They all act high and mighty because they go 22/4 every single game
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>>569121942
what was the lawyers opinion?
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best games to win are these
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>>569133231
The lawyer is the one that said Valve should just remove porn games to appease the credit card companies, Gaben got mad about that
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if you even take one soul from my sidelane you ARE THROWING AND WILL BE REPORTED
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>Participating in urn fights
Disgusting cheaters.
Urn = cheats.
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>Drifter is completely raped and killed, Haze has taken his role as the m1gger ganker
Sad to see...
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>>569071178
>old man
>4 stamina
>fat fuck
>3 stamina
>experienced bounty hunter...
>2 stamina
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Do you think he’ll finally “go play Makrill blyat”?
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>>569134151
by bounty hunter i meant holliday she's a sheriff too
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>>569134237
he is noob and should play marvel rivals blyat
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>>569133943
Unreactable aimbot with no counterplay is just unbeatable. Not even sure how they would fix Drifter, as long as Haze exists there's no reason to pick him.
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>>569126498
we certainly think if our (cd imbued) ult is up, you don't.
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>>569136134
All Haze players are disgusting boosted animals
I can't wait until your ult is changed to be an actual skillshot like what Venator has
Reminder that Venator is the only honest m1chad, Wraith and Haze are both m1ggers and Valve niggers of unoriginality
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>>569136097
Give Drifter Mo and Krill's ult, and have it scale off of weapon damage.
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>>569133943
>>569136097
>Drifter's gun is atrocious early game, he is entirely feast or famine (either you get stacks or you're an ultbot at best), speaking of his ult it's basically just an annoyance at most and is often used as an escape tool, oh and he's one of the worst farmers in the game
>Haze has built in veil walker/shadow weave with charges, a good gun that also stacks a debuff, and an ult that instantly melts you unless you have meta- oops nevermind she cursed you, oh and she's one of the best farmers in the game too, despite all of this Haze downplayers will say that she's not a carry, even with stats like 24/4
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>>569136280
>Mo and Krill have the ult where they beat the shit out of one guy specifically
>Drifter, who practically turns into an animal with his ult, running on all fours and talking about how he'll TEAR THEM OPEN, is just turning the lights off which makes him do more damage (it's not even a teamwide ult as it can only target 3 people)
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>>569136280
Him having Warwick ult would be too fun and thematic
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Drifter's ult should just be Balanar where he mods the skybox darker and gets bonus stats and additional effects on abilities. This way, he's still strong as a pick hero while not making him an overbearing carry. The main reason why Balanar is not picked as a pos1 is because the guy's gimmick is locked behind night time.
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Haze and Drifter both need to be reworked fr fr
Drifter is hot doo doo and it says a lot that he's garbage at his intended playstyle (being a 1v1 jungle ganker, which Haze does much better than him) and the best way to play him is to get fortitude and ultbot in urnfights and hope to get stacks
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>>569135509

https://x.com/sorocore/status/2061556097446543638/video/1?s=46

Guy is a genuine generational hater lmaooo
>“Wait till we find out he’s cannibalistic and that he eats people”
actual tears in my eyes
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An anonymous source told me that Metro was on Epstein island and went to Diddy white parties
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>>569128225
get spirit snatch and brs after 4.8k gun, go t3 rend and t3 mark and hope you hit close range 1s. Also when In doubt buy silencer...toxic bullets might not be needed anymore
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People are going to start getting cancelled for playing Graves
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>>569137581
>Graves is a child
Actually she's 18
>Ok but she's still a high schooler
It's just not worth arguing with these people
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>>569137160
metro wraith is not for you pedophile go play graves or rem blyat
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>>569129747
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4chan incel pedos fr be crashing out cause pedo metro got busted and they gonna be next fr
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>Enter Phantom
>Suddenly there are leavers and feeding russians every game
>Leave Phantom
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>>569137160
lmao dedicated hater you love to see him win
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>>569138024
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>>569137821
unc blud playing with his basedjaks fr ts pmo icl
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>Win game
>Go up 1 rank
>Lose game
Go down 2-3 ranks
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>>569137685
big difference is that graves is fictional and metro crushed on a 16 year old
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hmm yes im learning pocket blyat
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>>569138346
>Cheat mods
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am I supposed to just keep trophy collector as part of my final build or swap it out with something else?
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>>569138809
If you have a bunch of stacks 99% of the time keep
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>>569138809
dont keep it if all your other slots are full
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>>569107212
same reason her skin is bleu
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>>569139170
Her amazing secret is she’s blue razz flavored. And I’ll be damned if I’m not getting to the center of that got damn tootsie pop.
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>>569109964
in a platonic way
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REMINDER: Vindicta says she was killed as a child, meaning she is still physically underage, you sick fucks
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Do people really find Paige attractive? She has a big forehead, her eyebrows are too thick, her hair looks like it belongs in a Jojo character, she has a pig nose.
Is it just because she has big tits?
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>>569116619
im from kazakhstan, my friend used to be friends with abl in fortnite days
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>>569139596
Given how morally loose people were back then, she probably got her feet tickled too.
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>>569139596
Ghosts physically age in the deadlock universe, I can confirm this because I ask Vindicta to lift her dress so I can meticulously chart the progression of the cellulite on her translucent ass because it’s hot. Next case.
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>>569139170
So THAT'S where Drifter is headed
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>>569139886
eeded to blooo
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>>569139658
I have sex with men and nothing I’ve ever done is anywhere near 10% as gay as that question.
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>>569134151
It is strongly implied Silver is slowed down due to being in heat, developer commentaries mention it.
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>>569139951
mmmm....vindicta sho pussy pic pls......
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>>569140163
Gabe Newell speaks of this, with a 10 page thesis in the same way that George RR Martin talks about food
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>>569139658
fuck you gon do bout it
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>>569139658
Nigga, people want to fuck Rem and Drifter, what’s so strange about finding Paige attractive?
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>Team's Seven farms nonstop for 30 minutes straight just to buy unstoppable, refresher, lightning scroll, and indominable, just to die instantly anyway and end up going 0/8
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>>569140720
any 7 that doesn't go 3 build is dogshit
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>>569139951
>”Headed to blue”
>”I’m going in!”
>Pings Vindicta 50 times
>Gets my head blown off
>Jokes on her now I have nothing to do but stare up at that until her flight runs out and 20 lbs of ghostly ass comes crashing down onto my obliterated skull at terminal velocity

Naturally Statlocker match analysis awards me 500 PP and I become the world’s first Eternus 7 player, why aren’t more people utilizing this strategy?
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>>569108675
you want to know the best part? NA players make out like EU players are the ones with weak mental lmao
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>>569110416
The worst part about spellbreaker into sinclair is that you're only blocking ONE instance of damage. When the missiles come in two instances. You would unironically be better served buying Counterspell or Ethereal Shift if you're gonna blow that much money. It's kinda like how you'll fight a Grey Talon and think oh yeah bro I'll just buy Spellbreaker that'll show him teehee and then he just does 800 damage every 0.7s anyway before you even get a 2nd proc off spellbreaker.
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>>569140352
No One still has answered me why people find the non fan art Paige attractive, your just pretending she's better looking.
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>>569139827
Since I said this part of the cellulite on her ghostly blue posterior grew by 0.00…1 nanometers and 3 angels died and fell from heaven out of respect

#blueghostbuttcelluliterespectbutton
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I didnt read the google dockey but from comments i take it he didn't try to groom the 16/17 one? And the ones who he was filtring with were 18 and 19?

I'm too fucking european to understand this fixiation on calling everyone a pedo, you americans are fucking retarded. Tell me this is not natural reaction for a guy to try and fuck 19yo.

I have few examples from my real life of relationships with 'questionable' age gap and nobody gives a fuck
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>>569109802
>>569110567
you're absolutely right btw this community has been peddling the same retarded nigger philosophy in threads since dota sent out beta invites.
>just le do everything by yourself bro
>just take responsibility for your retarded team and carry them when 5 ults are being dumped on you in casual ganks all game bro
>just raise jamal's child bro
>le only consonant!
pure reddit faggotry
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>>569141729
suka blyat team noob i afk
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>>569142458
russians aren't really europeans they're just mongolian rape babies with the spirit of an asian barbaric to go with it.
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>Rend T3 changed from "Gain 45% Bullet Lifesteal against affected enemies for 4s" to "Close range attack now silences enemies for 2.3s".
>Stalker's Mark T2 changed from "+22% Fire Rate for 6s after ambush" to "+3s Duration and -8s Cooldown".
>Stalker's Mark T3 changed from "Enables 2 Charges and +2s Duration" to "+2% Bleed and -40% Healing".
>Bloodscent T2 changed from "Isolated kill reduces cooldowns by 15s and restores 3 stamina"
>Eternal Night T1 changed from "+6.3 Spirit Damage Proc" to "+10m Sprint" (kicks in immediately).
Huh. This guy was actually pretty good before the changes.
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>>569142321
Brain development only stops at 25, meaning that people 18-24 are still underage and can't consent, but they can vote and drive and own property and take on debt and join a military, don't question it you fucking incel pedo
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>>569108675
EU players will just call you a nigger and move on. NA are goyim so they will just violently seethe in the most pathetic way possible
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BLYAT PIZDETS SUKA URN NAHUI MIDBOSS BBBBLLLLLYYYYAAAAATTTTT
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>>569142219
Chud wants me to pull out in depth phrenology and incel looksmaxxing rhetoric to explain to him why the 4’11” redhead with a cute face is hot to a straight man. Attached you’ll find a photo of my big fat boner I acquired while looking at Paige’s model in-game, please feel free to study it in depth if you’re having trouble grasping the concept.
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>>569138346
qol auto parry
qol aim bot
qol spell scripts
qol wallhacks
qol map hacks
qol models that show me exactly where hitboxes are undetected
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My keyboard stops working sometimes so a QOL autoparry, QOL automovement, and QOL autoability is simply required for me
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im pocketing so hard rn chat
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>>569143212
Disgusting skincheats.
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>>569142321
he didnt try to groom 16 yr old one but he admited to someone else about having crush on her... as a 27 yr old man. like the fact that you can find teenager attractive is fucked up, and no, there are no mature 16yr olds period.
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WHERE THE FUCK IS METRO?????
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>>569143212
pocket is free ascendant. actually overpowered hero.
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>>569143310
that so fuckign FuCKED up man finding her ATTRACTIVE?! thats straight pedophilic!! JAIL, NOW!
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>>569142321
in her own words she said there was nothing in the dms that proved he was flirting or interested inher
people are genuinely losing their minds caused he duo'd with another content creator 8 years ago
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>>569143331
Rotting in a cell for the rest of his life with Abdul as his cellmate, hopefully.
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>>569143418
>begging for a mercy pocket and being worried about my sleep is strange looking back
I do this to my bros. Ask them to play support (because they're playing like shit) and ask them about if we should stop and sleep (because they are playing like shit).
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>>569139658
She's a frumpy geeky girl. She tickles a certain fetish, and that's that.
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>>569067671
Why is that Rem presenting?
Is he seducing me?
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>>569143310
>like the fact that you can find teenager attractive is fucked up, and no, there are no mature 16yr olds period.
False and false.
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he was smurfing and playing seriously at first but got embarrassed after going 1/4 in lane and started "trolling"
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i wanna beg someone to pocket ivy sigh...
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I'm a Paige main looking for a Victor player to pocket :3
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>>569108675
>I NEED A GANK
>OKAY WE'LL NEED A GANK ON YELLOW
>GUYS.. WHERE IS THE GANK
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>>569144036
victor main here btw i'm trans :) wanna duo
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>>569144036
Congratulations pathetic Paige player you have now motivated me to go write fanfic of Paige and Victor getting it on nasty style and Victor is NOT topping, A03 will hear of this…
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why did they nerf graves are they retarded
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Where do you go for mods?
gamebanana?
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what is the point of capacitor (6400) and focus lens (6400) when you can just dispel them (3200)
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>>569144495
low tier chuds cant melee the skulls
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>>569144495
She's still powerful.
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>>569144564
yes and ayakamods
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>>569144495
The playerbase can't mentally handle a character with both autoaim and minions, even though there are just as many skill-less characters in the game
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>>569144495
She was overtuned as fuck lmao
They didnt adjust her damage after fixing her skulls to actually be useful and having two ghouls from grasping dead delete half your healthbar was nutty
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>>569142794
Bushy eyebrows, upturned nose and greasy hair isn't cute. It's just her tits.
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>play support
>actually wind up carrying because our carries are retarded
>team is too braindead to listen to call outs
>lose
epic!
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>>569084956
Pro play is a little better but any aggregation is propagation. I only look at the best player(singular)in each hero. Everyone else is playing them wrong and thus is disregarded. Im comparing the heros not the noobs misplaying them
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>>569113770
The entire right of this image only applies to celeste
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>>569144565
Capacitor is good beyond the active but yes focus lens sucks. I will buy it against victor tho because forcing them to buy dispell is hilarious
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>>569145959
Erm, you had S+++ilver, how did you lose???
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>>569146469
She's actually le super hard to play ok???
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>>569144495
Probably because her skulls + auto aim auto attack could 100 to 0 every character in the game regardless of what items they have.
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venators traps should be changed. this stupid kicking over the floor sliding 5 cm getting caught on every little corner is no fun at all
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>>569144565
Tempo buy. It's very strong while they don't have dispel yet. I think the best way to play Focus Lens is instead of investing bits and pieces for 4.8k spirit just straight up buy Focus Lens.
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>>569146734
It'd definitely be nice if it just gave you a clear indicator of where the trap was going to end up instead of making you guess.
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>>569146850
TO THE FORUMS!
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>>569146734
Im more miffed about the nades bouncing randomly to narnia when shot on stairs or the pixel curbs on some lanes
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>>569144495
>NOO YOU CAN'T BALANCE MY 60% WINRATE CHARACTER!!!
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>>569147574
>nyoo my free 50% anti heal spam nades with huge radius and damage nyoooo why aren't they easy to hit
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>>569149559
nyooo they need to be stronger!
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>>569150228
>>569150228
>>569150228
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>>569136549
Haze should not be able to use items during her ult.



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