loli

>>570814464
is the best

>>570808698
>Also setting up oil on Gleba takes like two seconds
am i missing something?
coal liquefaction plus getting rid of the petroleum seems like kind of a big deal
unless you mean shipping in barrels of light oil continuously

>>570814608
>plus getting rid of the petroleum seems like kind of a big deal
You've trained for this moment during the whole planet. You can do it. I believe in you.

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>>570814608
Narp

i like eggs

>>570813665
>I doubt the game was designed for a usecase like this currently. But other than UI and rendering/view, this is basically possible right now in terms of core engine capabilities.
I think it's a bit exaggerated to say that. It can clearly be done, but it would involve significant work under the hood to implement it and it would probably require significant work on the graphics side as well for things going up and down slopes. It's not as little as you make it sound, plus if we take building on slopes into account I think the "different surfaces in a trenchcoat" approach may not end up being wise.

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Hey this place sucks

I have 3k hours in Factorio and always played with biters off or very nerfed
Gonna start a Rampant Fixed run
Wish me luck

>>570815905
but do you like the way that sucks

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>>570816729
I WISH IT WOULD SUCK MORE

>>570815443
I genuinely think it would be easy if you take the dorf top-down rendering approach, with yeah graphics around slopes being the main problem probably, but I'm 90% sure some clever spritework can easily make it work in the current engine. In the meantime a placeholder graphic with some arrows pointing up/down would make it playable, just ugly.
Building on slopes would not be any different to building on anything else except that two belts/connectors on matching slopes on adjacent Z-levels would teleport items between each other. Item teleportation is already a proven concept (e.g. Factorissimo). You could probably disallow buildings on slopes as well just for realism.
In fact since Factorissimo did exist and you could build a bunch of factories with items teleporting in and out in large quantities with no issues, maybe even performance isn't going to be that much of a problem.

Probably teleporting trains correctly would be the most difficult part of implementing something like this. Still fundamentally doable but you'd need to hack around things to make sure e.g. a locomotive on one layer can still drive wagons on another layer, and having pathfinding work. I would be surprised if the modding API didn't let you hack around this though.

>>570811414
And that's just what has remained after countless fixes and patched exploits. For example the Water Sieve used to output water at a fixed 40C regardless of input or machine temps.

>>570818986
You could also do it in first-person 3D...

does weight on space platforms actually matter? do I want to try to make small platforms for speed or is it just a case of just adding more engines

>>570820617
Yes, but it's a negligible effect. The only thing that really matters is width vs thrust. Ideally you should take up the full width of the ship with high quality engines.

>>570816525
>retard plays factorio
many such cases

>>570815085
Nice.

when is the multiplayer rampant fixed sesh?
can a dozen retards fight back against an unending tide of bugs?

I had a dream
a satisfactory dream
a factorio dream
a fulgoran factorio satisfactory dream

I found myself on a great grey slope, populated with little more than earthy wrinkles, running down from summit to base. The sky overhead was empty and clear, but, high up, higher up than on earth, hovered a great dirty cotton mess that couldn't be clouds as we know them, sealing the environ like a secret, permanently separate from the cosmos, wrapped in a savage blanket.

Lightning arced across the sky, loud, fearful. While I possessed some form of safety, some building, perhaps some bubble shield, or a lightning rod, there was no progress here, no material with which to expand my domain. I would have to explore, but I could see perfectly well for miles and miles down slope, and would surely be smote before traveling far enough to see more.

But, inevitably, I would incur.

I hoped to find something find something in the crevice of the next wrinkle over, or the wrinkle after. I struck sideways along the slope, down-slope to my left, up-slope to my right. The lightning came. Again after each lull, it came, but not for me. As I approached the top of the first wrinkle, I began to see a pattern. That lightning which I saw to fear was centralized above the valley at the bottom of the great slope, often failing to reach for the ground at all, and instead forming somewhat circular arcs, back up into the sky.

Survival, then, is secured here not by avoiding the lightning storm all together, but by knowing where the storm has traveled.

>>570823457

At the smooth ridge of the first wrinkle, I could see that I could see nothing. I spared a glance back at my site. Forward, grey and smooth and dirt, all the way down into the valley and all the way up to the summit, and with no more at my feet to aid me in the collection of information than was so far. The little curve behind me would be just the same, if not for the cone of extra light descending from my own structure, or the grey and orange metal of the structure's walls and railings I could make out within that cone. That information, if it would aid me, would have prevented this journey already, and the storm, full of fury, was still far away. I did not particularly take note of my own footprints behind me, if I left any.

I continued down from the first wrinkle. I could, perhaps, justify a full ascent. Now that I knew I had time, and would not be immediately ended for the attempt, reaching the top of the great slope would likely provide the greatest increase in visibility per unit of invested time. But, I had the barest knowledge of the working of this place, and could withstand only the risk of this more limited wandering with the comfort of knowing I would only be a short relative distance from potential safety with no way back when danger finally came. Also, as the [piongineer], any discovery of merit to me would need investment proportional to its distance from home before it could be of use. So, I continued down from the first wrinkle, approaching the second trough.

>>570823964

A full trek to the base of the slope would be doubly unworthy. I could not fully see, from here, what transpired within the valley at the base of the great slope, only that there was likely a crevice down there. I feared again, this time that there might be something alive out here, though I had seen not even a sign of vegetation. If the gift and curse of this place is that one can see, then surely something, if were here, would see I, boldly and ignorantly gallivanting along the side of the great slope, perhaps from miles away. Whatever it was, it would require musculature that would make an approach up the great slope viable. I maintained awareness of down-slope, searching for such catastrophe and wondering what the valley may hold. If a brute might come from up-slope, however, perhaps it would be better not to worry. Still, I saw no such muscled brute down-slope as I reached the bottom of the second trough, and began to ascend the second wrinkle.

>>570820617
Put engines across the entire width of your platform, or as close to that as you can. As long as the whole width is full of engines and you make enough fuel to run them at a decent thrust, the platform will be pretty quick. Weight also matters but it's negligible, width is the important part.

>>570818986
Trains would need to occupy multiple surfaces at once, in fact a single locomotive or wagon would need to occupy multiple surfaces at once due to their size. Bots would need to travel between surfaces constantly and bot networks would need to span across different surfaces too. If you disable building on slopes entirely I think it would have a very bad effect on the game, like every slop would be an indestructible, gigantic super-cliff and with random map generation that might be very, very bad. Beyond that if you were to have a mine in a mountain, you might actually want to have some infrastructure around the entrance and as such not building on slopes sounds even less plausible.

Biters / enemies would need to navigate and path-find between surfaces, they would need to set up nests on multiple surfaces at once (or else mountains would be 100% biter-free), any ranged enemy would need to be able to sit in one surface and fire at a target in another (and so would the player), pollution would need to spread between surfaces, turrets would need to acquire targets across many surfaces at once, spidertron legs would need to search for spots to land on across multiple surfaces at once and there's probably a lot of other shit I'm not considering.

There would be many problems trying to adapt the surface system into a real height system. If you're looking at it from a modder's perspective you have no choice but to cope & hack at the edges as long as you're on the mod API and not patching the game itself. As a game dev I would never even consider adding comprehensive height support via the surface system, it needs to be implemented properly as its own feature.

>>570824257

My legs moved with a smoothness and lack of effort born, I assume, of genetic engineering, consistent with the experience of walking by holding down a button. My posture was always a sort of perfect, upright and capable of rotating on a swivel. My gloved hands always floated within my field of vision, which was limited by the glass in front of me, the glass of my helmet, probably. I was aware of an uncertainty in my vision, as though some kind of liquid was falling, but evaporating at the same time, instantly reclaimed by the world after contributing little more than a wavering of the light. What, then, of the grey dirt of the ground in my vision? Was it dust? Mud? By what mechanic did the world resist the imprint of my boot, where other worlds had not? Perhaps the dust is under constant and small agitation. As the moisture of the droplets fails to become moisture on my visor, perhaps the falling liquid becomes, or is, a gas in a delicate phase change. It rises, and somehow densifies. It then falls, and as it reaches the ground, it swells. If so, it wouldn't be rain at all, but wind. It's wind, going straight down, and straight up, and perhaps I did not think of what this pattern may soon wrought.

>>570824667

Finally, I reached the second ridge of the second wrinkle, and was offered one blessing further. A collection of rocks, a shine of puddle, a dirty seclusion of color. Down in the third trough, at the same height up the great slope as myself and my home, was, finally, something. Fairly large and fairly square, a flat plateau formed of liquid, From this liquid square rose a bolder, proud, erect, and with a great deep black hole in the side of it, facing the great slope's summit. Sprinkled across this liquid garden, lumps of rough grey stone poked up from the surface, perhaps useful footholds. Taller than these, rare lumpy colored stones reached for the clouds above, akin to coral as I imagine it in my ignorance, and still partially grey, and greyer on the lower portions, as though, perhaps, losing its color over time. The last thing within this liquid garden, and the least possible, what could only be a tree towered above the corals, and stones, and rivaled the bolder which might be a cave entrance, but still failed to reach out of the space between the wrinkles, and was more brown than green.

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>>570820617
The only thing that really matters is width vs thrust. Ideally you should stack a bunch of high quality engines in front of each other.

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i luv building

>>570825185

I thought, I thought, that if ever a moment of danger might come, it would be from here, from the difference, and so I searched not the grounds within the square of liquid for that which I might exploit, but instead around the outside edge, seeking only dirt and nothing, such that I might know for certain by what I am surrounded, when I may willingly engage this unknown. By logical necessity, on a slope, if a patch of flat should interrupt that slope by this mechanism or that, then that flat patch will be cut from that slope, and so it is required that a nearby cliff, though small, must be that which is cut from the slope, and will make up for the time which the flat lost. So, as I circumnavigated the square liquid garden, ankles wrangling the dust which had dumped itself steeply into its shore, that steep dust would give way to an outright wall of rock and grey behind me, and behind it the slope, and behind that the summit.

And though I did gain many more angles of the garden and the bulbous coral-like protrusions and the stones and the now-nearby tree, I did not truly gain knowledge of what was under the puddle, or inside the maybe-cave. Soon, I would begin to approach the ridge of the third wrinkle, and so would leave the garden behind, and maybe I could do that, but I would instead finally look up the slope, and that meant either climbing the wall behind me, or walking all the way around the edge of the garden until the slope lowered to meet it, and then walking up the slope, above the wall it would form.

But no, a mere glance, or a few rubberneckings up the wall, brought down on my head the truth I had courted. For as my glass bulb and two eyes took in the up, 8 large black orbs took me, and what was logically theirs, and soon, I knew, it would be upon me.

>>570825409

I approached it, and the wall it was above, breaking line of sight for a valued few moments, and began to run back the way I had come, along the wall, on the steep mud of this slowly collapsing shore. I would not make it all the way back home on foot. This thing would likely be faster than that. The only other object of note within the whole of this planet, to me, was the tree, and I rapidly approached the point on the shore closest to the tree, and launched myself across the liquid surface, just as the creature landed on the shore behind me.

The liquid, now, had become the unknown I was retreating into, an inverse of the exact situation I had attempted to avoid, but I was I, and I can fly, for a time. Hot carbon from my limited supply of jetpack fuel gushed from my back, coating the surface of the liquid and allowing my feet to find purchase on the stones long enough to jump. Behind me, I could see clearly something, some twisted form of the large stingers of my first planet, with eyes, and fangs, and a mouth. And I knew, by the muscle memory of two separate origins, exactly how to swerve to avoid what was incoming. A wad of corrosive green plopped into the liquid beside me, and soon the whole hairy body of the thing gracefully landed on the stone off to my right. At that time, I launched myself up, pulling out my rail launcher, and my boots found purchase in the branches of the tree, positioning it between myself and the gigantic arachnid guardian of this place which was now in the tree with me, mere feet away. I knew to position myself such that the spit would hit the branches of this tree. I knew I could aim around the tree to land my rebar shots. I looked directly into the eyes of the monster I was now fighting for the only bit of color in the world, nearly surrounded by it's legs already.

And that was the end of the dream.

>>570825201
hmm yes today I will do cursed engineering

>>570825201
i am disgusted and impressed

>>570825776
I just noticed you wrote some kind of novel
kill yourself

what if u want go space
but rp-1 said
Insufficient Avionics, Locking Controls (supports 19.999t, vessel 20.000t)
Vapor in Feedlines (Insufficient Ullage)
[Engine]: Insufficient resources to ignite!
[Part]: Part broken by aero forces.
FATALITY
Pilot suffocated to death

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>>570826606
It would be extremely sub-optimal

>>570825201
So if a big asteroid spawns in the back do you just can the whole thing or what?

>>570827415
You can't see them through the smoke in that pic, but there is a series of laser turrets down the spine.

My interest in beating SA has just dropped on reaching Aquilo. I don't know why, but this place is so offputting.

cool

>>570838153
freezing, actually

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>>570835904
I like the atmosphere. The droning music and isolation is neat.

I'm assuming the starting planet picker allows for Aquilo start? Must be hell and I'm interested.

>>570814080
what is so nice?

>>570839462

is the py server still going? how's the map view look so far?

>>570835904
For me it was after beating Aquilo.
The entire planet is only like a couple of hours of content anyway.
>waste 10 minutes bootstrapping power on a trickle of solars (because every other power generation method needs water and every method of obtaining water needs power)
>spaghetti yourself a heat setup and basic ice processing
>spaghetti the most retarded lithium and fluorine setup you can muster
>bam you have science
>just use bots if you are having issues at any specific step
>place a silo directly next to the cargo pad and hand-load it with materials (except local rocket fuel)
>done

But then the actual win condition is making a retarded ass fucking giga nigger ship, which is the most annoying part of the game by far. Or making a shitty suicide ship which also works but is just lame and retarded so why bother. I dropped my SA save for many months at this point without finishing the game (until I came back later to try to set up a megabase).

>>570841801
it exists
I don't think anybody actually plays it anymore

>>570835904
It's actually pretty fun, especially once you start making foundations and large science production

>>570844556
>which is the most annoying part of the game by far
building ships is fun
what crack are you smoking?

>>570845067
It's a minigame of layering the same 5-6 interconnected systems into a limited set of space. A minigame that got old quickly after a few times for me.
It's also inherently not reusable or copyable, since all the systems have to be closely intertwined, and also depend heavily on the ship space. To make reusable modules you'd have to separate every part of processing completely, and that'd make you build massive ships with tons of empty space. Viable, I guess, but clearly not what the game intends you to do, and annoying as balls anywhere near the early game when ship platforms are still kinda expensive.
The actual requirements are also deeply unintuitive and basically only determinable empirically, so questions like
>how many asteroid grabbers do I need
or
>how many turrets is enough
or
>how much ammo production will keep up
can only be answered by "lol just build it and see if it's good enough, if not add more lol". Which goes directly counter to the fact that a compact ship will be basically un-expandable, since everything is intertwined and interconnected in spaghetti.

Basically the only fun way to build ships is to say fuck it, I'm just building a modular factory in space, except the game makes you pay for every single tile of extra space your factory takes because of this. And you also need more turrets and ammo and more thrusters and fuel/oxy production the bigger your ship is else kovarex's space drag fucks you.

>>570846227
Agree except for the last point. Speed is only relevant for the Gleba hauler and post-game prometheum science farm, every other ship can run on a single engine and carry more cargo instead.

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"finished" my iron factory
got bored of it since it's been several days already and just rushed the assemblers and ugly transport to finish up
t3 logistics are too slow to keep up but it werks otherwise
time to move somewhere new methinks

>>570846865
bro really added a viewing window to his kaaba and called it a day

>>570846657
They CAN run on a single engine but in practice it's annoying as shit, especially before you finish the game: there are plenty of situations where you need to ship stuff somewhere in order to build with it, or even where you're travelling between planets yourself, and it's just fucking ballbusting if your ships all move at 50km/s. Yeah in the late game when you're optimising your existing megabase, and each planet already has either a mall or a big stockpile of building material from previous builds and whatnot, and you're sitting in one place doing everything with remote spidertrons and shit - then yeah speed doesn't matter. But for the entire actual progression of the game there are many situations where speed matters a lot.

>and carry more cargo instead
That's the thing, if you take up a ton of space because you're placing modular production blocks that can be blueprinted and expanded, it doesn't leave you extra space for cargo pods. I mean yeah you can also just expand your ship even more to carry more cargo pods but you could also do that on a compact ship design with full-width thrusters, just by making the ship longer.

>>570847407
Going slower also greatly reduces the demand for fuel and ammo, so your "production blocks" can often just be one of each building.

>>570847672
True but again annoying as shit until the super late game basically.
Also doesn't apply to aquilo ships or prometheum ships which both need a bunch of ammo for the larger asteroids anyway.

It's basically just giving up on ship design.
>ship design is fun if you just build the absolute minimum and make it limp along as long as it gets the job done
is not a very convincing argument.

>>570847941
Yeah I'm just trying to make it less annoying since you have to do it anyway. Did the same with Spex, relying heavily on item cannons instead of ships.

Some of Aquilo's music reminds me of Siofra and I like that

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It's alive!

It doesn't work very well. I guess I'll have to tear it down and try again. At least I managed to research quantum processors and fusion power while I was doing this.

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>>570858582
Forgot image. I don't know what I was expecting, but oh well. At least I learned something.

>>570858790
CAN YOU DRINK THAT BLUE THING AND IS IT COLD AND SWEET LIKE TASTY BLUE THINGS USUALLY ARE AND YOU SHOULD ADD A LABEL SO IT LOOKS LIKE WOW WHAT IS THIS I HAVE TO DRINK IT LIKE I USED TO LOOK AT THINGS IN THE STORE WHEN I WAS A KID

>>570860473
It contains lithium and fluoroketone so I don't think you should.

>>570860473
DO NOT DRINK THE BLUE. BLUE IS DANGER.

>have exclusive steam power for a while
>landfill the endless seas and fill them with solar/accumulators
>nighttime, solars die
>accumulators fully charged
>steam engines and boilers running at full capacity
i feel like i'm missing something here, but at least I understand why they throw those car batteries into the ocean

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>>570860473
It kinda tastes like these if you want to try.

>>570862827
no that one is fluoroketone cold. that one tastes like toothpaste.

>>570862569
Power priority was one of the most requested features since launch. It's apparently so hardcoded not even mods can change it, other than by creating new entities.

Basically you need to build your own circuit logic to disconnect steam power when it's not needed. And then make sure not to reconnect it accidentally when placing new power poles.

>>570863253
>Basically you need to build your own circuit logic...
ma oću pizdu materinu to radit

>>570864307
speak american you fucking terrorist

>>570865482
recognize <insert irrelevant country> first

>>570862569
accumulators will only be used as a top up power. steam engines should turn off/slow during the day when solar is running though.

Move over Kitten Space Agency
the true successor to KSP is here
https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/346010/view/671745047272620187

>>570867154
Damn nigga you slow, that was announced ages ago
Shit it releases in 5 days

nilaus said trains are obsolete in factorio and that you should play better games if you want train

>>570827243
You're a
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>>570827243
For you...

>>570871585
Nilaus doesn't know what fun is

>>570871585
Nilaus also claims to have an IQ of 170.

>>570871585
he's right. nilaus is probably the smartest factorio player. nobody else has as many masterclass videos to educate the plebeians

>>570871585
He is right, stacking and quality increase belt throughput so much it makes no sense to use anything else, on top of that new buildings and quality greatly reduce footprint making trains even less necessary
Factorio was better before DLC

Are the odds of the Factorio game engine source code being released at its end-of-life non-zero? Has this topic ever been brough-up before?

>>570881501
I can't remember if this came to me in a dream or if I read it here, but I vaguely remember the devs were working on Factorio 2.

>>570877103
damn he has double my iq points

>>570885413
It came to you in a dream. They're working on an rpg and another fucking fork of C++.

>>570880156
quality trains now have a maximum theoretical throughput of 430 km / 1 hour / 8m (cargo wagon + quality locomotive length ratio) x 100 stacks / 2 tiles (rails) = 750 stacks per second per vertical tile
best belt with max stacking has a throughput of 60 x 4 = 240 items per second per vertical tile
even with 10 item-per-stack, that's a 30x space-efficiency edge for rails, as in you would need 60 belts (or 600 with 100 item-per-stack) to match just one rail

>>570886432
I was so mad when I found out train quality wasn't a thing at launch. I have no idea why they thought it was ok or why it took so long to get it

>>570881501
I doubt it
Its a guaranteed money-maker, why would they opensource it

>>570889703
making the source of the engine available next to the game download makes no difference in that regard, the assets are still paid, and the game has no DRM to speak of anyway

>>570880156
You can just play without the DLC but with 2.0 features.
Trains are so great with the 2.0 update (and elevated rails are also fun), just play mods that don't use quality/stacking.
>>570888416
They said that they didn't have a good way to replace trains in-place at the time, they eventually figured it out. I think trains still suck in the DLC because resources are so comically free that you can just build everything on mines.

>>570881501
0, they dont want to world to see the spaghetti they cooked up in the pursuit of optimisation.

>>570899879
Showing people spaghetti is the entire point of Factorio.

>>570871585
trains are now going to be affected by quality, so his opinion is outdated

>>570888416
Space Age was rushed as shit. They went through the trouble of adding stuff like train groups as a way to manage huge numbers of trains, but they couldn't get it working with the upgrade planner before the deadline hit. Ain't got time for that shit when we have to completely redo Gleba during the final weeks before release.

>>570881501
Cock-vortex said open sucking Fagtorio was the final part of his world dommy plan.

>>570897947
>build everything on mines.
are you exclusively making plates or something? kek

what does post-game Space Age look like? Do you do everything on your main planet and use the other ones just for the exclusive sources they provide or can it make sense to make a factory that's spread out more equally?

>>570901848
I do as much as I can on Nauvis as it's the most simple and I like how a huge base looks on it better than other planets

>>570901848
I move all my production to Vulcanus and larp as a Tech Priest on Mars.

How does sonar work and why is it dangerous for people?

>>570892661
someone can make some ai generated assets to replace everything and release it for free
some people will even say it looks better
it'd probably hurt the sales slightly, but as kovarex said, they are not limited financially in the least

>>570902268
It's only dangerous if you have something to hide

>>570901997
I feel like that's the best approach, but it's a bit sad having these different and wacky planets only for them to become nothing more than beta-cuck providers for your Nauvis base. In this regard I prefer the Space Exploration approach because you never expect to use the random planets for anything other than sucking out resources from them in the first place
>>570902246
I'll probably settle on another planet as well just for variety's sake, Gleba as the main hub could be interesting...

>>570902309
what I mean by assets is the entire "base" mod that the game depends on, that includes all lua scripting and item definitions, not just textures and sound, you can't just "vibe it out" and make it 1-to-1 compatible with every other mod like space age, and pretend you've not copypasted the game, that's how copyright works
besides a non-commercial clause would make it impossible to sell so it's a pointless exercise anyway, unless you're really trying to build a new game off the engine, but then you'd have to license it from Wube anyway if you want to sell it

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Started trying to tame this steam vent.
Saw a neighbouring area surrounded by abyssalite that might be good for habitation or some other use.
Felt too morose to continue the idea after realising I'd need to hook up temperature control in the steam vent (pipes get tiring and they're 90% of this game sometimes).
Realised I did the steam vent wrong anyway and it shouldn't be the steam chamber.
Waiting for dormancy to crack it open and fix or at least contain it whilst salvaging the steel for better uses.

>>570902501
>only for them to become nothing more than beta-cuck providers for your Nauvis base
they still get pretty big. especially fulgora as you need a lot build for science. the only one where i still have a tiny base is aquilo, even though i'm producing 4 stacked belts of science
>>570902546
i would guess they'd release that too
>pointless exercise
i mean, many people remake or reverse engineer games for free

>>570902905
>they'd release that too
then it's just copyright infringement, just like anyone can easily download the full Factorio assets from archive.org today, including the engine binary
whether it's available in source form makes no difference whatsoever

>>570903071
they can just change the licence

>>570903156
of course, just download a movie online, flip the colors, change the license, and release it under your name, why hasn't anyone thought of that

>>570903293
i mean wube will change the licence

>>570902501
You can still build your whole Sex factory on a different orbit iirc. Ideally a planet with all the basic resources, one unique resource plus vulcanite, and no biters.

>>570901240
no, you mine straight into foundries for infinity molten metal transfer or mine directly into furnaces for bricks (in the case of purple science)
Calcite? You mine that into rocket silos directly.

>>570903496
look, I've explained it all in this post, assets cannot be released under an open source license anyway, unless you mean something like creative commons, which again would be pointless and besides the point:
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=694351

>>570903798
sure, but the lua code for the base game can be opensource, and then someone can just generate some ai slop for the image and sound assets

>>570903948
or someone can just download the real assets off the first link of Google instead of some random rip-off, you're extemely dense

>>570903948
Thats not how it works.

>>570904083
i mean doing it legally

>>570904546
explain how there isn't some free vibe-cloned spage age mod available for download on the mod portal right now? because that's completely pointless and retarded

>>570904712
we are talking about wube wanting to open source the game
not sure what you're getting confused about

>>570904819
point is, space age is already 100% open source because it's just a bunch of lua files and png

I caved and installed flare stacks in my SE run, but I'm going to try and maintain the conduct of only using them for landfill.
I'm just sick of needing to go railgun warehouses of landfill.

>>570904980
>someone that did not buy the game cannot check the code
>nobody is allowed to modify and distribute it
not open source

>>570905227
look I don't even understand the point you're trying to make so I'll just stop trying since this clearly isn't worth the captcha I have to solve

>>570905043
I do not remember having to void stuff
but guess the mod did change a bit over time

>>570905634
I didn't on my last playthrough, but this is 10x and i've had to make trips to smash boxes of landfill twice already.
I have some more fun voiding setups (I'm voiding excess coal from core mining by burning it to power radars), but there's really no good solution for all the excess stone/sand that most recipes output.

>>570905969
> there's really no good solution for all the excess stone/sand that most recipes output
from what I remember that's one of the most in demand resource you'll need dozens of belts worth of it so you simply feed the excess from elsewhere into where it's used by priority
>I'm voiding excess coal from core mining by burning it to power radars
why not just power a coal power plant and use that power to power your factory by priority

>>570905969
You're not voiding coal. You're refining it into more biters.

>>570912421
>why not just power a coal power plant and use that power to power your factory by priority
priority power is normally more of a hassle than a benefit, especially since the power gain is super minimal and power is super cheap (esp. on nauvis where i'll eventually be powered off of space solar). It's just much easier and error-proof to send it, or as >>570912563 said generate new friends.
>from what I remember that's one of the most in demand resource you'll need dozens of belts worth of it so you simply feed the excess from elsewhere into where it's used by priority
It's primarily used by vitamelange products, but my vita planet has a huge amount of stone. I route it with priority from nauvis to make glass first, but for other planets it would be setting up rockets to launch to a planet that already has enough stone (and I would still need the other setups before I got to bio science, which I'm saving for at least after space elevator).

>>570905401
He's being pedantic about the definition of open source I think, which is fair since knowing the code for something and it being open source isn't the same.
Minecraft isn't open source, but anyone can just look at the code and modify it.
But if you try to distribute that code as your own project Microsoft will put something Macrohard in your least favorite orifice in court, or more likely force you to settle because you wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell of a win.

>>570912872
>priority power is normally more of a hassle than a benefit
how is there no benefit to solving a problem and how is it a hassle?

>>570913469
The problem is that excess coal halts the production of more important materials - if the coal ever backs up, I'm effectively voiding iron/copper/oil/pyroflux/uranium/stone. The easiest, most fool-proof solution is to dump all of the power.
If I want to harness this power (which would be ~2% of my total power production right now), I need to set up latches on all of my power setups to make sure they're only outputting power when the coal plant is saturated. I'll need this on all of my power setups in perpetuity as well, since otherwise they could mean that the coal plant doesn't burn all of the coal (which leads to a strict resource loss of much more important resources, since the coal is the output of core mining).
Basically, I'm losing a rounding error's worth of power to guarantee that I never need to think about setting up latches on my existing setups, all future setups, and even my space elevator. It operates under the assumption that power is cheap, but I believe that power is very cheap.
It's the same reason I don't route the excess water from core mining into the rest of my base - it's a power loss (pumps cost power in SE) but it's not at all worth doing since water is already so cheap and it's error-prone.

>>570904980
you should go outside more

>>570881501
I mean they ship every update with a .pdb so I doubt they're very against plopping the source or at least huge chunks of it in the open when they're final-final finalized with it.

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I can't wait for this to go wrong. It'll be very bad if it does.

>>570915641
>>>autodoor is one tile too deep
Fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffuck Klei for making steam chambers require vacuums
Fucking shitty simulation

>Nothing I make on Aquilo works
This is harder than Gleba as far as I'm concerned.

>>570916776
my big recommendation without giving away too much is that long-handed inserters are exceptionally useful.

>>570914430
I knew it would be a skill issue you don't know how to make priority power.

>>570918061
I'm aware of that, it's power generation I'm stumped on.
>bring a nuclear reactor
The ice comes with a ton of ammonia gas and the weird ratios means it gets clogged and the reactors die
>Heating towers with rocket fuel
Well the system uses everything which means no clogs but it's all painfully slow and you don't have room to build a ton of these beaning the heating towers starve
It's weird, I could figure out everything up until now, but this seemingly easy situation is utterly stumping me. Maybe I just need a break from Factorio.

>>570916776
how

>>570918626
I'm more baffled why people think the planet is easy. I'm clearly missing something, likely overcomplication which has always been my biggest issue.

>>570918914
>I'm clearly missing something,
it's litearally just
heat pipe

>>570918914
>I'm more baffled why people think the planet is easy.
I mean it's pretty basic, nothing special beyond needing to drag heatpipes along all your shit. You could say that keeping things heated up should be a challenge or something but in practice you can even just build a nuclear power plant and hook your base up to the heatpipes and the problem is solved forever.

Aquilo basically just forces you to rearrange your normal building style to fit extra heatpipes, but that's it. Compared to Gleba or even Fulgura's recycling it's basic bitch and unimaginative. I'd say only Vulcanus is even more straight-forward.

>>570919246
>ou can even just build a nuclear power plant and hook your base up to the heatpipes
there's infinite oil coming out of the ground and literal heat towers

>>570918914
>ocean goes in
>solid fuel goes in heat towers
>water goes wherever needed
I'm not sure what's so difficult about it?

>>570918914
It's a pain if you show up with nothing but a few solar panels and a belt splitter. Aquilo's difficulty is directly proportional to how much junk your outer planet ship(s) can deliver to it.
If you show up with twenty stacks of heat pipes and a bunch of heat towers, it's just a matter of remembering you have long inserters to cross the heat pipe gaps you'll end up with. Also I guess some people forget you can void ice by recycle looping it.

>>570919351
Yeah it's not much of a challenge.

>>570860684
isn't lithium good for you?

>>570919871
thanks for letting everyone know you're schizophrenic

>>570918426
Just dump any excess ammonia into solid fuel production - not even for heat per se (I had my aquilo bases almost entirely nuclear), but just to process the solid fuel.
I think for one I wasn't even dumping it into heating towers, I was putting it into a speed moduled recycler since it was a smaller footprint to delete solid fuel.

>>570865678
I wanna say romanian, but I feel like I recognise at least two, maybe three slavic roots here, and romanian is supposed to be bootleg latin I think. So maybe one of the knockoff slav shitholes (poland/bosnia/whatever)? I would've said polish but it doesn't look like any polish I've seen before, but maybe I'm retarded

>>570919871
I'M SO HAPPY CAUSE TODAY I FOUND MY FRIENDS
THEY'RE IN MY HEAD

>>570918426
Go solar!

>>570871585
2.1 will fix this

>>570871585
do you want fries with that

>>570897947
>They said that they didn't have a good way to replace trains in-place at the time,
It was such a bullshit excuse too. Scaling up to a megabase makes it so easy to just build a new network with quality trains, and most of the new planets already encourage separate train networks. They could've just left it as a slightly clunky mechanic and improved it in 2.1, not killed trains entirely from the meta.

>>570913308
To be honest I don't think this is being pedantic because "open source" is a specific and well defined term. It doesn't just mean "you can see the source". It's also not a standard grammatical construction, the sentence "this program is open source" is meaningless unless "open source" itself is treated as a compound noun with a specific definition. So I don't think using that definition is pedantic

>>570905401
Like the other anon said, "open" means you should be free to use it, if you can look but not touch doesn't meet the definition of "open" in open source. Some people call that "source available" instead.

>>570916776
>>570918914
NTA but seriously, how? The question is literal. HOW exactly are things not working? Builds in factorio don't simply "not work" for no reason, there must be some specific problem(s) you're seeing.

>>570918967
To be fair there's also ice/ammonia balancing, with required voiding of the two. It's very easy to just set up some braindead recycler setups (turning ammonia into rocket fuel) and the simplest possible circuit condition to void whenever one of the two backs up, true; but while it's easy to solve, if you don't do that (e.g. you didn't think it'd be a problem) you can run into deadlocks and even "death" spirals where your shit runs out of heat after deadlocking and needs to be bootstrapped again.

Still a very simple planet but there's a tiny bit more than just heat pipe.

>>570920121
>>570920276
I am NOT schizophrenic, but think about it this way, if it makes schizophrenics more normal then it should also make normal people even more normal and stable, no

>>570921968
there's also the combinator solution that lets you void fluids by loading them into a machine and then changing the recipe if you wanna go that route

>>570922172
Oh yeah true. In my defense though it's pretty obscure tech and I wouldn't expect it to be part of the standard way to solve a planet for an anon struggling to finish the game for the first time. If you know about circuit voiding you probably aren't going to be having issues getting basic builds done on every planet

>>570920162
There is a local variant obscuring one root

>>570921968
Because I'm a retard and forgot recyclers exist. Jesus fucking Christ I'm extra stupid today.
Thanks, anons.

>>570924790
Yeah that'd do it. You can void ammonia -> rocket fuel in heating towers, but if you have an ice excess recyclers are the only way (unless you do schizo shit like melting it then doing the circuit fluid voiding).

>>570819053
There is a minimum length but the game actually has a clear message for that and the minimum is much shorter than that, it's like a little bit over half a platform.

There's just something fucked with the vehicle path building system, I've encountered that message sometimes even when trying to build a completely straight path connecting 2 points. The solution usually is to delete chunks of the paths you're trying to connect and to rebuild in the exact same place, then it doesn't complain anymore so clearly there's no actual problem with the shape.

>>570918426
>Heating towers with rocket fuel
isn't this a significant downgrade from using solid fuel
you're using up four times the ammonia for less total power

>>570928652
nta but it works out with cryoplant productivity

>>570929383
cryoplants don't have productivity innately
if you fully module them with q5prod3s that's a 300% multiplier
you're still only going from 150 ammonia for 120mj to 650 ammonia for 300mj
i guess it saves on crude oil?

>>570928652
The point is to void ammonia anon. Which is infinite from the ocean btw.

>>570930924
>Well the system uses everything which means no clogs but it's all painfully slow and you don't have room to build a ton of these beaning the heating towers starve
he was having an energy and space shortage

>>570931280
Oh yeah sorry I didn't follow the reply chain

>>570930023
I forgot the second part of the post, where I mention ammonia is free. While crude oil is limited to two or three pumpjacks until you can reach a larger field.

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>>570931640
>While crude oil is limited to two or three pumpjacks
Damn I must have gotten really lucky

>>570931916
p much

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I think this is a pretty swell build.

Also I'm starting to suspect what kind of experience space exploration is going to be.

>>570932165
What's that then?

>>570931280
And it was all because I forgot a single building existed that would have actually made everything simple.

>>570932165
Throating earendel's knot

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Done with food production, did everything but cake and sausage since I don't have the tech yet
I'm gonna shut down more farms once storage is full, I overbuilt it by a lot so I have room to grow

Also I almost went into death spiral when CO2 made it into exhaust pipe and blocked everything because I forgot fuel gas produces CO2 instead of exhaust

>>570932165
>Engines needed for burner inserters
>Burner inserters needed for regular yellow inserters
That looks really advanced just for green science

>>570932165
>>570947254
The trick is to play SeX after pY. You really appreciate being able to complete all the nauvis sciences with less effort than pY green circuits

>>570947254
Those engines don't take in steel, they're not as bad as vanilla engines at least.
It's still just iron + copper for everything

>>570948143
Then what's the point?

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>>570865482

If a game or mod requires you to make excess items vanish with an exploit, then it is a bad game or mod not worth playing. If there must be byproducts then there should always be a "proper" way to burn it off completely in a single process or two. If it means that byproduct handling ultimately comes down to a one-time setup of to-other-recipe-to-excess-burnoff with no further thought required, sorry, that's just the way the cookie crumbles and to do otherwise is trying to squeeze blood from a too-simple game.

>>570948753
Your point being?

>>570948753
known in game speak as a "resource sink"

>>570948753
Angel's is the weirdest one I've played so far. Six proto-ores (+4 more with a third-party mod), each can be refined up to 4 times and then "sorted" into 2-7 actual ores depending on the level of refinement. With overlaps, and your usage of those ores is governed by Bob's which is another mod so not always synced. You have to build up this monster covering all variants of all ores, and then use automation to enable the correct sorting recipes based on which resource silos are getting full or are about to run out.

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>>570952152

>>570952152
Sorting multi products isn't a problem and not what I meant. It's crap that is produced (magically) as waste products that can be used for something else, but if you're not ready to do so then its just crap building up.

>>570948753
>in a single process or two
why

>>570949028
In Factorio this is called "Voiding" actually. Because you make the resource entirely disappear with no gain. Resource sink would be closer to something like quality. But even then, it would barely qualify.

>>570953374
Well there's only two ways to handle it. You either do Py, where near everything has a byproduct you could in theory use somewhere else but it's a massive pain to handle so your just void it and not care. Or you do Nullius, where it's an equally huge pain but voiding requires further resources from a separate industrial process that would otherwise be unrelated, so you're forced to include the thing in logistics.

>>570948950
Satisfactory doing ONE thing right, apart from it being fun to jump around in a 3d space.

>>570959310
satisfactory requires you to void dump outside the world nuclear waste

>>570959789
It doesn't go into the grinder?

>>570962402
Which media company are you?

sarr please do not zoop

>>570962996
I spent way too long trying to understand why you're asking that
with no result

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Its working better than last night's attempt, so that's nice. Just getting quantum processors up and I'm almost home free. There's something really comfy about Aquilo, although one of the tracks that plays here is slightly annoying. You've got creepy, atmospheric music mixed in with a motif from every planet before it like this was some boss fight, and then there's a track that sounds like a comic relief character is sneaking around somewhere.

>>570969017
Aquilo is so cool looking, top 1 planet aesthetically.

>>570970081
I wish there were more games that did frozen hellholes right

>>570969017
why aren't you just hooking the heat in the middle

>>570971426
I'm just slapping stuff down and seeing what sticks, really. If you think my Aquilo base is a mess, you should see what I did to Gleba.

>>570972103
You can't tease us like that without posting it

>>570969017
Didn't count but this seems like more than 3x the amount of heat you need

>>570948753
All non-landfill should be able to me made into landfil and landfil should be able to be used for all the exciting things IRL landfill can be used for, such as filling land and creating fun new diseases

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Wite pypo aint season they batteries

>>570921675
I know exactly what "open source" means and implies, you won't win the pedandry-wars against me:
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
That posters was also likely a troll since none of its point made any sense in context, like they were not even trying to say anything of substance

>>570986904
>I know exactly what "open source" means and implies, you won't win the pedandry-wars against me:
Not sure which of the two anons I replied to you are, but that article doesn't contradict anything I said

Is there a date for 2.1?

>>570984596
kek

>>570987547
Nah I'm going stag, I think

>>570987157
sorry, but I already mentioned that I wouldn't waste any more captchas on mouth-breathers
no idea why anyone still posts on this site considering how infuriating they are to solve

>>570993139
When they first introduced them they were super annoying, but it has some sort of browser/IP fingerprinting where they become super fast (finding the difference of one shape) after some time. They're basically a non-issue after some time posting.

>>570993829
This. Once you solve enough they're actually easier and faster than the old six character captchas

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Man. Thank goodness I have an alarm

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Now then, plastic gaskets, the hip new way to make steam turbines.
Why bother, it's more work and they just melt into a useless gas all the same, right?
Wrong!
They're... not plastic.

I can't only think this isn't intentional because Klei hates making things reasonable, let impenetrably alone easy.

Next time I come to Aquilo I'm bringing a lot more portable reactors

ONI geyser priority is bugged.
Reported at least as early as 2025 but not followed up on.
https://forums.kleientertainment.com/klei-bug-tracker/oni/priorities-dont-work-on-geysers-r49526/

Can be somewhat alleviated by changing science priority for the dupe. Slightly miffed.

>>571003839
>slightly milfed

Satisfactory's early game feels way more painful than Factorio's

Is there a mod to make Oxygen Not Included not have an isis beheading video tier artstyle? I'd rather look at 1980s ASCII graphics than that shit.

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>My generic train stops don't work on Aquilo because combinators freeze

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>>571004470
You vill enjoy ze art style.
And you vill be happy.

I feel like Only Gleba should give you a railgun and a few rounds of ammo because even when you unlock rocket launchers taking down a single T1 stomper is a tall order if you're not present with turret backup when one comes calling

>>571004815
AHHHHHHHAHAH! THAT'S HOT! THAT'S HAWT!

The fuss over space casinos is pretty funny. Really just goes to show quality was a bad way of doing the type of factory growth they wanted.
It just would have been better to allow each step to an improved machine/weapon/whatever require x amount of materials needed for the base resources plus a planets unique resource for the better machine
For example lets take assemblers
Base=default anount
Uncommon=5x base amount plus tungsten/holmium/carbon fibre. Whichever planet you go to first is what determines what is used this playthrough for this level
Rare=5x of uncommon amount plus your next planets unqiue resource
Etc
Obviously rename the quality tiers and boom, a much better way of doing it. Could even lock each quality tier to each planet so it forces more interplanetary setup and use that way each planet has their own tier of quality factory you have to manage. Obviously planet unqiue buildings can still only be crafted on said planet
>>571005681
Tesla turrets my dude
They solve Gleba defence

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>>571005374
I put my blacks in the pink and purple clothes to get their decor benefit whilst celebrating LGBTQI+ month. I just imagine it's what the developer intended.

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>>571006935
Only Gleba, my dude. A mod in which I start on Gleba and can't land on any other planets and you need yellow science before you can start making Fugg science so the likelihood of you seeing a stomper before that point basically approaches 1. Probably even if you're clearing nests somewhat regularly

>>571007579
What is laser turrets locked behind in Only Gleba?
I know stompers resist lasers but surely you just make a shitload of laser turrets and that solves the issue surely

>>571004295
>factorio early game: cut a few trees, dig up ore (coal/iron) for the ONLY time you do so in the game, babysit fuelled drills for 2 minutes
>satisfactory early game: we thought the best part about factorio was when you didn't have belts, but now in a UI that doesn't let you quickly take or place resources to AND from machines!
>satisfactory early game part 2: now that you have belts, you need to make rotors and reinforced plates. Extremely slowly. and you have no access to cosmetic changes for your constructions because you have no tickets, and power sucks (coal power will barely suck less), and you might think you should go explore at this point whilst thinks like concrete stockpile so you can do stuff and maybe even find the cast iron screws recipe, but actually you're wasting time not babysitting your setup and your weapons and long-range mobility suck right now, lmao
>satisfactory early game part 3: modular frames :)
I think most parts of satisfactory are painful and I'd never play it without a friend. I'm not surprised steam achievements for the most basic tasks are at <60%.
Factorio however? It's a fun puzzle game where you're hooking up inputs.

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My element sensor keeps letting through the wrong element, ugh
I'm assuming
>wrong element detected, CO2, moves onto valve
>power outage; valve turns off
>O2 now on detector and time gate passes
>power now on: valve turns on and CO2, on the valve, is pushed through

So many people on the fagtorio forums saying space casinos were/are a fun and different way to doing quality when it isn't really any different to the other ways

Devs are also stupid for not realising this, if it is that big of problem just lock it behind either Aquilo science or prom science

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>>571010604
There is this one filter design where you keep a tiny amount of oxygen flowing in a loop to block out CO2, so that any overflow from the valve will be oxygen. Might be the way to go if you want a quick fix. Not the best for throughout though since the output will never be a full packet of gas

>>571011498
honestly quality tiers should have been locked behind planetary science. uncommon should have been unlocked as soon as you get the recyclers, rare should have been locked behind fulgora science, epic should have been locked behind all 3 planetary science and legendary should have been post aquilo. Giving you access to everything right away was a mistake. It encourages you to make a space casino since you don't have recyclers yet.

>>570987547
closed (?) experimental release by the end of the month and stable release by the end of summer was their estimation

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>>571012035
>>570987547
Pic is from the FFF at the end of last month

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>>571011753
>Not the best for throughout
No but you gave me an idea.
>powered input
>power goes out: no input, no output, gas cycles, gas doesn't get stuck on element sensor

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>>571015149

>>571015268
tech illiterate zoomers need not apply

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/nullius-hurricane-reskins?from=updated

Nice

https://x.com/RobertHaisfield/status/2067351401840414818

AI plays /egg/

>>571015832
kys

>>571016170
you first, faggot

>>571016270
I'm not the niggerfaggot posting claude plays pokemon red tier shit

>>571016303
no, you're the niggerfaggot complaining about it

>>571015409
You didn't even say what it was the source code for.

>>570980758
If landfill is all rubbish and has little to no human interaction, how does new human disease form?

>>571016993
monster eat it and mutate if not handled properly

>>570948753
yeah how dare people use the exploit of using two recyclers facing eachother

>>570881501
Kovacs Rex said they're making it open source a couple of years after spage, dunno if he said 2 3 or 5 though. It was in some interview as the release was coming up.

>>571017052
So how was voiding done before recyclers?

>>571018768
seablock added vents and flare stack
if you mean vanilla then there's no need to void anything because it was a mechanic added with recyclers, the voiding machines

you moron
you dumbass
you incompetent buffoon

>>571018768
If you could burn it like wood you would make a waste powergrid made up of satellites and boilers/steam engines to get rid of it. You could do the same with oil buy turning it into solid fuel or just use circuits to void liquids
And the last resort would often just be chuck it all in a chest and destroy it although i think that stopped working at some point

>>571015149
Where's the rest?

>>571015149
oh boy, dolphin porn

>>571018073
https://youtu.be/CtALqDo9rX8?t=151
it was here, he said a couple of years after the DLC release but we'll see if they will actually do it

>>571019517
https://x0.at/houb_AttackAreaBehavior.cpp

>>571020698
Wait am I taking retard pills? How did you navigate a text file?

>>571020698
don't click this, it creates mustard gas

>>571019517
>>571020698
https://x0.at/419U_CraftingMachine.cpp

>>571020698
>earendel went rogue after being laughed at and dumped everything

>>571021009
fucking niggers
how do I find out the IDs to download the whole thing

>>571021126
:^)
https://x0.at/Pa0Y_TrainPathFinder.cpp

>>571021317
https://gist.github.com/Rseding91/c0d4d08d6feaed618ed4a03f6c6a8fe6
stop playing with me nigger I will backtrace ur mum into her bum

do you really want me to dos an obscure filehost with 62^4 requests per file to get them all

>>571021660
no, i want you to have not told us until you'd spent the week slowly stockpiling them to prevent DDoSing the obscure server with retards trying to figure out how to get the rest of the files.

stupid

>>571021738
i'm lazy and i want to be spoonfed the links

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ayo gibs me dose
we wuz developers n shiet

tomorrow is the last fff?

>>571022841
Could be one more next week and release on the 29th

>>570993139
It's massively better than google recaptcha v3. You've just become complacent because you forgot how bad we had it

>>570993139
They get super easy over time, like "pick the circle among the squares" levels of easy. The Google captcha we had before was horrendous in comparison. Extremely slow and unreliable, and sometimes it would just decide to fuck you over with those slow fading images. Then when you finally pick out all the motorcycles or some crap it lies to you and tells you you failed, only to give you another slow-fading captcha. Complete trash, the custom one we have now is far better and can be completed in a few seconds at most.

>>571025498
I miss the old captcha where you could fill one word in as nigger and it would still let you pass if you got the other correct.

>>571004815
keep a dumb 1-1 train with rocket fuel to keep things heated

>>571013357
>we feel we've reached a good place to conclude the active gameplay development.
Holy tunnel vision...

There's plenty of Spage's shortcoming they still failed to adress.
Especially quality, and the way it interacts with the other system.
They just sorta gave up on it, and went like "okay, it's shitty, and unfixable. So here's a checkbox to disable it".

>>571025651
Yeah the text captchas were definitely the best
But with the recent text captchas (the custom ones before the shape sliders) people still somehow bitched that they're "hard". Some people are just illiterate or something

>>571027068
they don't care, le mods will fix it as they always have, and modders will make all the content for the game as unpaid workers while wube makes all the money.

>>571011498
>when it isn't really any different to the other ways
It's one of a few ways to get unlimited legendary raw mats with better yields than 0.001% or whatever. It's also very different to the typical recycling carousel you build for other shit like the planet-specific resources.
You will already set up a crafting -> recycling chain for biter eggs, uranium, tungsten, tungsten again, carbon fiber, jelly/stack inserters, holmium, and lithium. Each one is going to be near-identical. Is there really any reason not to allow a different method for getting legendary iron, copper, stone and coal? Must EVERYTHING be just a chain of 5 crafting machines pointing into recyclers with a legendary filter priority splitter for the output?

>>571021402
ahh I hate c++ it should be a crime making games in c++

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>radio can be focused through a lens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwjcn4Vl2iw&t=729
It's all fookin magic

>>571015832
actually neat
>It's one of the hardest puzzle games I know of!
also lmao. though to be fair LLMs will probably find TIS-100 and Schenzen a lot easier. spacechem would be a fucking good benchmark though

>>571018768
Vanilla never had any need for voiding, unless you massively fucked up your oil refining, in which case making solid fuel and burning it with radars was the solution (but in normal gameplay almost nobody ever had to do this)
Well designed mods should come with their own mechanics around this. As another anon pointed out earlier, pY has universal voiders so byproducts are always a tradeoff of do you void on-site or do you try to route it to another production line where it's needed, improving efficiency at the cost of a lot more complicated logistics; while Nullius is explicitly designed to let you void waste but only if you process it into the proper form, thus adding a few extra steps to processes where you want to dump some caustic chemical for example

>>571027068
I think their point of view is that they're basically done with major development with 2.0, not because the game is literally perfect, but because they're bored of just working on Factorio for all eternity. The game sold well, the DLC sold well, they've got a ton of money and they want to do more gamedev projects at this point.
So with that perspective, 2.1 is basically going to polish up all the small issues with 2.0. Shit like fixing quality or majorly reworking the planets would be a major design undertaking, and they're not willing to go and make version 2.5 or 3.0 at this point. So they're leaving space age as-is and just fixing the small issues to make sure the QoL is good.

Any project can basically be developed for all eternity, adding more and more stuff, improving shit forever, etc. While I definitely agree with you that SA is pretty flawed in many aspects, I can see why wube decided to just set a cutoff, say they're not redeveloping new major changes, and move on. Otherwise they'd remain pigeonholed into factorio for another 5 years easily with the amount of endless fixes and improvements and features you could keep adding, and it's clear that they've been eyeing moving on to new projects for a while now already.

>>571032794
>Vanilla never had any need for voiding,
Which is fine, because vanilla is vanilla. But then mods came along that encouraged people to void waste items for the exact reasons stated. That's why voiding, especially crate destruction voiding, was a concept invented in the first place. It took time for it to be addressed.

>>571035798
What do you mean by "addressed"? The mods that introduced voiding as a required mechanic also provided means and mechanics for voiding.
Vanilla added voiding separately in 2.0 and not only is it unrelated to modded voiding (and used quite differently anyway), but there's even no reason to believe it was inspired by mods specifically, because voiding items is not some kind of particularly insane concept. Factorio was inspired by modded minecraft and minecraft has always had item voiding, both vanilla (lava pools) and modded (void pipes all the way back in buildcraft).

>crate destruction voiding
Is only a thing did when playing shitty poorly designed mods, or doing insane things in factorio like trying to get rid of all wood (and not bothering to burn it).

>>571036163
>Is only a thing did when playing shitty poorly designed mods
Yeah...............

>>571037950
If you're talking about SeX, then yeah the stone byproduct is a very widely criticised part of the mod to the point of being a meme, and the inability to easily get rid of it without retarded contortions like orbital bombardment of your own factory IS a significant design flaw.
I can't think of any other major mods right now which both add significant byproducts and at the same time mishandle voiding and require you to use exploits or suffer. It's just not a problem Factorio has in general outside of very specific personal projects from random schmucks who are bad at mod design

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>Map riddled with underground waterways, fresh and polluted
>Start of the game is a battle to figure out what connects where and how the branches react when others are blocked
>Locate the nearest badwater source
>Sacrifice some liquidators to block it off underground
>Unlock dynamite a while later
>Immediately drill down next to the other two sources and block them off
>And find a weak point in the system where a single dynamite lets me flush most of the remaining badwater
I have solved this map
Currently waiting on 4k science so I can unlock a badwater rig, then when that's done I'll convert at least one of the other sources into a water power facility

guess the list just doubled in size (windows source vs linux source)
https://x0.at/ZVLB_list.txt
lots of crap in there

>>571039426
then upload a list with all the links to the files you yakubian homunculus

>>570826606
>modify upper stage
>forget to update avionics
>Insufficient Avionics, Locking Controls (supports 4.000t, vessel 5.521t)
>have to hope it stays facing the correct direction as the engine burns until the weight is below 4 tons
truly a painful moment
at least I haven't had a failure due to ullage in like 6 ingame years, now that I'm using way better RCS thrusters. Only a few failed interplanetary/moon probes due to exploding engines.

>>571039426
vatniks really are depressing.

>>571038327
How 2 kill stone:
1: have source of stone, used for lots of bullshit like bricks for tier 1 science, mostly bricks
2: route stone byproducts over to your normal stone source
3. make large stone buffer which accepts stone from your stone byproduct line
4. use stone from the buffer before stone from the stone source
5. If the stone buffer overfills, excess stone gets washed and turned into saline
6. flush excess saline down a hole in the ground
End: if you are not satisfied with this loss of material, make a bigger buffer, use more stone per second, or accept that you were not actually using that stone for anything and it therefore has no value to you anyway.

You have now solved your stone byproduct problem.

>>571042134
>excess stone gets washed and turned into saline
>6. flush excess saline down a hole in the ground
I've never played SeX I just regularly read about people exploding warehouses full of stone because they didn't have anything to do with it. What you're describing sounds like a perfectly normal voiding solution so if this is in the mod then there's no problem.
I'm assuming this must have been added in an update at some point semi-recently (like last year or two)? Or was everyone who complained about stone in sex just retarded

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Should I bother optimizing this shit further? I don't know if optimization here would involve a clever/more compact way to implement this function or if it's just very slowly moving components around until it properly fits, I hate the wire bending constraint in this game.

>>571042651
Pretty sure he's talking about Py, not Space Exploration. In SE most people just turn stone into landfill and cram it in a warehouse because you can't actually void stone

>>571043445
Ok then I have no idea why he replied to a post explicitly criticising SeX with instructions on how to void it in pY. Especially when like two posts above in the reply chain I specifically mentioned how pY handles byproducts/voiding just fine and has no issues.

>>571043445
he's talking about shittily designed mods though, so sex