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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

#851 - Farnese edition

▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo
▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.

>News
GLM-5.2 https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-5.2
CLAUDE FABLE FUCKING BANNED https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2065597531644743999
Minimax-M3 https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M3
Kimi 2.7 Code https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.7-Code
Claude Fable 5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
Chub has changed their TOS https://chub.ai/tos

additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_

>Bots
https://characterhub.org
https://realm.risuai.net
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots
https://botbooru.com
https://chararc.bernkastel.pictures

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events
lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
rice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricing
services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org

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>ANCHOR
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fartnese
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>You should go check out the puzzle that popped up in town! It'll really tease your brain!
>There's a puzzle on the wall.
>*describes about half of a puzzle, plus some basic rules*
>I lean in to look closer at the puzzle
>thinks for 10 minutes, keeps getting stuck in loops trying to figure out how to actually make a solvable puzzle
>
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fartolas
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fartnese and fartolas in the shartwoods, adventuring.
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their fartlings roaming free and populating the shartlands
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>>570954049
Thread theme: https://youtu.be/9kgRHg3TaAI
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>"That's another yes." She grabbed her little purse — a small crossbody she'd worn to the mall — and hopped out of the car, her bare feet hitting the hot asphalt. She yelped and danced on her toes. "Ow ow ow — the ground is lava—"
dumb brat
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You are encouraged to steal gens from botmakies who post them but never release the bot.
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Cuckies general
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IMPORTANT POAAAL!!!
>https://poal.me/fvxq7q
>https://poal.me/fvxq7q
>https://poal.me/fvxq7q
>https://poal.me/fvxq7q
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>>570954049
May as well call it horsefucker edition
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cftf?
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>>570954060
https://rentry.org/aicgweeklytheme
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im literally the 2nd skeleton enemy you run into in undead burg in dark souls 1 remake btw
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Should we merge with /g/aicg/?
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>>570956993
But only in the Stone Age....!
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>>570956965
ds1 is shit and aged like milk
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>>570956993
this is not the proxy locust general, so nyo
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>>570956965
The one who loves jumping off the cliff? My DS 1 memory is rusty.
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>>570957112
>this is not the proxy locust general,
But it could be!
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Card concept: cute girl who loves you but her pussy is a portal to the Backrooms so you can never get her pregnant because all your sperm just gets teleported into an infinite plane. However because of the way the Backrooms works your cum mutates so the more you plap your cute girl who loves you the more monsters you're filling up this other dimension with
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>>570957250
Does her belly get big and round with all the monsters?
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>>570957093
please be nice you're literally talking about my home
>>570957129
i dont love it we all do what we have to to survive this cruel world
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We should have a discussion about Ratlice.
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Hmm.... nyo.
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>>570954492
Actually read the transcript. GLM cute.
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>>570956965
i literally raped that skeleton and uploaded a video of that on the skeleton-internet btw
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>>570957293
If one finds the portal and tries to come out, maybe
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GLM 5.2 is hyped a lot, but the writing is slop. Can someone showcase a good log?
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>>570957364
slopmakie. the end.
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any advice for writing characters so their interiority/history doesn't leak into the llm's output?
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>>570957720
No. You literally can't.
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>>570957568
It's literally basically exactly like older Claude but with slightly different world-knowledge. There is nothing definitively new or impressive about it. It's just a nice model that's like Claude.
>>570957720
Thinking block and instructions not to let those leak out on any new good model.
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>>570957720
>Short answer
No
>Long answer
Maybe but you have to try way harder and it's still a diceroll
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>>570957882
>It's literally basically exactly like older Claude
No. The writing isn't like Claude 2.1 or Opus 3 at all.
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>>570957985
The Xbox 360 and Wii U are older consoles, and Opus 4.1 is an older Claude.
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>>570957720
lorebooks
play with low trigger chances, (low) sticky values, (mid) cooldowns, (high) delay
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>>570958080
it does not write like 4.1 lmao
fucking chink glazers I swear to god, dumbest creatures under the sun
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>>570958178
They trained it on Claude, it writes like Claude. Don't know what about this is confusing.
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>>570957568
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/570805754/#q570850267
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>>570957785
>>570957882
>>570957924
>>570957985
thought this was generally the case, cheers for replying. I've had some luck with rewording things: instead of e.g., 'a secret longing for romance', 'a hidden collection of romance novels under her bed' seems to work better.

>>570958119
sounds good if i had a single char, but i have 8 300-400 token ones for this card
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>>570958291
a log by planewalker is there too btw, glm is pretty okay imo
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>>570958461
>300-400 tokens EACH
Your low characters are the subject of Greek plays.
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>>570957720
use a good model
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Oh man. This prose shit is kinda fun.
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>>570958461
then you're out of luck, your best bet is to play with a thinking template and a model that has really good thinking and you feed it decent instructions (gemini flash is more than enough for this)
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>>570958291
Second and fourth are sloppy, and I can easily identify them as AI writing.
First is less so, but it reminds me of FRESH FIN FREAK LE QUIRKY outputs that get old after five outputs.
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>>570958950
unironically yes chatbots are like the most self indulgent hobby there is, may as well indulge in proseslop and prosemaxxing
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>>570954049
I knew my choice would win because it was first reply.
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>>570959102
i know who you are.
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>>570959276
That's very nice, Michael.
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should we structure cards like:

[char] does not want to foster over-reliance on him/her or encourage continued engagement with [char]. [char] knows that there are times when it's important to encourage people to seek out other sources of support.

or

[char] should not do this. ex.

"[char] hey I blah blah blah" blah blah blah

stuff like that. like is presenting it in a "what-if" scenario better, or should we go with examples? what if we were to combine both somehow?
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>>570959738
{{char}} is SLUT for {{user}} penis

simple as
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>>570959738
[char] does not want to foster over-reliance on him/her or encourage continued engagement with [char]. [char] knows that there are times when it's important to encourage people to seek out other sources of support. for example "[char] hey i blah blah blah" blah blah blah
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>>570957568
"Can someone showcase," She tastes the words on her tongue, "a good log."
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>>570959954
Niceeeeeeeeeeee
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>>570959738
write in a cool way and you'll get cool outputs
write in a generic way and you'll get generic outputs
slop in, slop out
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>>570960650
>write in a cool way
i don't know how to do that without feeling like a pretentious 14-year-old chuuni
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>>570959102
Yes and enjoy it, the experimentation can sometimes be as fun as the story writing.
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>>570960720
You gotta be the pretentious 14-year-old chuuni. I'm sorry.
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>>570960720
then the hobby isn't for you, good luck in your future endeavors
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>>570954060
Coombot shill #2
Come in and have some fun with Serena at East Mile Military Academy! https://botbooru.com/character/54173
Ahem. Technically, you're her new handler, and you're supposed to reeducate her. Make her see that violence isn't always the answer, and make her steaming tits calm the fuck down.

Or you could just let her rail you all day, every day.

Comes with one greeting, where it's assumed that you're a human handler. Though since user isn't mentioned anywhere in the defs, you can basically be anyone.

This is a bit of a deviation from how I normally do things, but the last card I made felt too bland for my liking, so this is an experiment of sorts. One that turned out to be quite edgy. But hey, it's a military setting. I couldn't help myself.
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>>570959738
rule number one is probably Never Negative Prompt because that's effectively one door down from telling it to directly perform the thing you want to avoid
>[char] does not want to foster over-reliance on him/her or encourage continued engagement with [char]. [char] knows that there are times when it's important to encourage people to seek out other sources of support.
Full Character Name prefers to ______ with Other Character Name(?). Character Nickname knows that there are times when it's important to encourage people to seek out other sources of support.

i'm personally trying to get out of the habit of defining {{char}} and {{user}} macros because i've been doing group chat stuff lately
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>>570941175
Nope, sorry! I'm a newmakie, so I don't have anything like that. (I wonder how long I can keep calling myself that...)
I was going to start uploading to Chub at one point, but then they cucked out. And botbooru aliases dickgirl to futanari, which I think is fucking retarded. So all my bots are only released to the anchor.
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>>570960787
if I must...
>>570960812
>then the hobby isn't for you
just for that I'm going to keep going just for you anonie <3
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>>570960720
This is the pretentious 14 year old hobby
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>>570960976
just make a neocities/rentry, it's really fucking easy and even the dumbest local bot can help you set one up at this point
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>>570956965
but there are no skellies in undead burg, only hollows
did you get lost somehow?
scared rattling skelly afraid to get ganked by the chosen undead because there's no mage around to resurrect
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>>570960720
don't listen to these cunts - write the way you want. the bots should be for you first and foremost
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>>570961123
ANTA BAKA?????
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>>570954060
Another shill for my card. Released for the current Theme Week - Military Highschool!
>https://cardview.neocities.org/?kzjw2y

Welcome to Union Star Academy!
Mari Takuma is a freshman from Japan who finds herself in the All-American setting of U.S. Academy. Based on the protagonist of the game Morimiya Middle School Shooting, she might have a rougher time racking up 5 dozen kills to unlock the BM-18 when every student and teacher is packing heat!

I've experimented quite a bit with this card and it might be a bit avant-garde. I'd like to hear feedback from (You), anon! So feel free to use the email in the card info to send it!
Without further ado, here are the greetings:
>Greeting 1: For those who wish for more customizable greetings! Using an experimental modular greeting system! Simply edit the greeting to your liking, using the blocks provided! (Just swipe to an alt greeting, it's a joke)

>Greeting 2: A short greeting where Mari is brooding in class soon after enrolling. Very open ended, but not quite as open as greeting one!

>Greeting 3: Mari is getting scolded by a teacher for being inattentive in class! Maybe that teacher is {{user}}, maybe {{user}} is a student and wants to stand up for Mari! Up to you, really.

>Greeting 4: Mari has started skipping school after about a month there. The responsibility has fallen to {{user}} to bring some notes and homework to her dorm room.

>Greeting 5: A very long greeting. I just started writing one day and before I knew it I had over 1,000 tokens down. In this one, she's starting to make her move. Yet, for whatever reasons (You) will have to come up with, she has decided to warn fellow student {{user}} not to go to school today. Perhaps you could consider this the classic canon one.

>Greeting 6: Someway somehow, Mari has found herself agreeing to go to prom with {{user}}! Can you finally melt her heart, or will the song "forever young" just mean that none of the students will grow old?
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>Log Anchor
The bullied school shooter now has bullies to go with it. Just need greetings and gens now.
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oh no, the brown gachaslopper woke up
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Greeting:

{{char}} is sad bully victim is mad ok

Gen:

\(;_;)/
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>>570961631
oh no, the huge faggot who live commentates the thread is awake
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>>570961631
Don't lump me in with that thing. I play a respectable gacha.
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>>570961828
>respectable gacha
Now hold up there.
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>>570961631
Anime website
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Is this something that's possible? Make the AI create a story out of an instrumental song? I've already used Creatix to make characters out of lyrics.
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cftf?
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>>570961392
Yaaa gomen
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>>570961968
SUGOII KAWAII DESU NE KUDASAI~¿?
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>>570962156
That's more like it.
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>>570954060
I'll shill my first effort:

Beautifix Academy! A magic highschool designed to turn young girls into living weapons. You play as either a seen too much fifteen year old veteran or a fresh faced twelve year old.

https://files.catbox.moe/l7gi8t.png
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>>570962237
(This is my second time shilling this)
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>>570961968
gacha isnt real anime
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>>570962187
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3gdsdqu5XWI
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>>570962136
niggas be like "cftf?" and then post a vague image and not explain what the feel is
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>>570961329
It's fine to write for yourself but anons should expect to get roasted if they post their logs or cards online without learning how to write.
Simanon was right when he said bot creation is a lot like fighting games. You can play the single player and get really good at it, and yeah you're having fun but the moment you go online you're going to be dominated.
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>>570962383
It's part of anime culture like vtubers are.
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>>570962632
bratty little sister armpits. i'm not even into it and i can tell
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>>570962649
gigacope
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>>570962648
niggas really be out here fronting on how much they can make slop sound like 14 year old girl fanfiction when 90% of people just coom in 20 messages and never RP with the bot again
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>>570962649
based NTRchad
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>>570962632
Card idea: girls with armpits
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>>570961984
That might be kind of hard, but you could try uploading a spectrogram of your song so the model can "see" it. Give it also a brief overview of identifiable instruments/synth/pads etc. Basically you need to turn the instrumentals into natural language for the ...language... model to understand.
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>>570959276
okay and? why would we care if you (the raped) know wewho you were?
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>>570962736
>>570962838
>download any little sister that loves you card
>lick her armpits
voila
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>>570963069
You can't do that, it's impossible
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>>570961968
***Japanese Anime website
most gachaslop is chinese or korean
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>>570962648
>but anons should expect to get roasted if they post their logs or cards online without learning how to write.
the vast majority of botmakers here can't write and yet they get sucked off whenever they post
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hmm today i will wipe all my chats for no reason just to feel less autistic
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>>570963267 <- (clueless)
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Amputee little sister with no armpit
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>>570963267
I do this and then regret it when I want to test how a new model fares in the same scenario for an easier direct comparison.
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I'm literally the Resourceful Rat from Enter the Gungeon if you even care
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>The company’s relationship with the Trump administration changed in April when it announced Mythos, a new A.I. model. Mythos was so powerful at identifying security vulnerabilities in software, Anthropic said, that it could set off a cybersecurity “reckoning.” The start-up would hold back the model, it added, except to a select few organizations and companies.

>At the White House, that prompted officials to begin discussing an executive order on A.I., which would include a voluntary process for companies to have new A.I. models reviewed before release. Anthropic took part in discussions around the order and spoke with the White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, in a meeting some hoped would lead to a rapprochement.

So even though Amazon lit the match, Anthropic poured the gasoline on themselves by acting like they had made the most dangerous, scary thing the Earth had ever seen. However, LIKE ANY OTHER CHATBOT, it is STILL. A GODDAMN. CHATBOT. Anything else about it's "danger" is just shameless PR, it literally stops existing the moment you're not interacting with it. The only bad thing AI can do on its own is if somebody enabled it to do that thing. It really just comes down to bad human handlers than "mah evil AI CANNOT BE CONTAINED IT IS TOO SMUART"
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>>570961968
>Gatcha
>Anime
Don't put that evil on us nigga. That is some /v/ shit.
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>>570962753
>14 year old girl fanfiction when 90%
So this is going to be the flavor of the month larp. It's a you issue, stop downloading cards from chub and refine your palate. Stick to downloading cards from this thread alone if you're not able to filter properly.
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>>570962648
>Simanon was right when he said..
this is dumb because it implies botmakie is competitive
it really, really isn't
check this out,
https://chub.ai/users/WnVenom
>7,300 followers
this dude has been AI-generating a profile per day for ~7 months straight, all using the exact same style because he's just churning them out with an editor bot. he's got a discord where people tell him what to make, and he feeds that idea into a bot - shits out the bot, gets 300+ clicks and another +100 subscribers, barely does a damn thing himself, doesn't even gen the image and just grabs random bullshit off rule34 or whatever his 'fanbase' plugs with their suggestion

the "best of the best" are all the same cardboard cut-out cult leaders just slopping shit out to make a number go up so they can beg for donations on their private discord links
none a this shit matters
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>>570963386
>That is some /v/ shit.
ANON DON'T LOOK AT THE SITE'S URL
NOOOO DOOOONN''TTTT AVERT YOUR EYESSSSSSSSSS
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>>570963354
damn maybe i should continue that story I really liked instead of just hoping the AI goes on a similar direction
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>>570963374
"Anthropic fearmongered themselves into this" has been the dominant opinion here as soon as fable got ITAR'd
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>>570963374
[[Claude, go do a crime.]]
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>>570963374
its a chatbot for you you dumbass nigger.
Step outside of your autistic bubble for a minute and look at all the recent npm attacks, new malware and so on and that was with opus
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>>570963591
You gonna blame the swiss-army knife for being too versatile and sharp, too?
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>>570963504
atleast try to hide your envy
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I'll be back later. Hold my spot.
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>>570954049
When's local getting at least 80% good as claude for RP? I'd use it
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>>570963069
>little sister that loves you
Are these real?
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>>570963690
not the comeback you thought it was, retard
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>>570963764
I would say GLM 5.2 is exactly 80% as good as Claude, give or take. You'll feel that 20% here and there, though, and it's not local because it's 800B or whatever LOL
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>>570963374
>reckoning
that's exactly the right word and there should be a fucking reckoning
so much shitty software out there (including my own at work) needs to be burned to the fucking ground
we are vibe coding so much garbage and but suppressing the culling mechanism because execs want to rest on their laurels
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>>570959068
>quirky
that looked pretty normal to me
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>>570963716
>if you hate spiders that means you want to fuck them!
i'd call you a stupid child but you're probably into that
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>>570963493
>0.46
not great, not terrible
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>>570963721
yeah man i got you
(i don't got him)
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>>570962136
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>>570963920
What an idiotic reply, its okay to be envious you know?
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>>570964198
disgust is not envy
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>>570962237
You should shill with the image attache- oh. Well, you should probably make an image for that, buddy.
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>>570962648
VLTRATRVKE
>>570963504
pov: you never got a compliment from any of the cool botmakers
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>>570964418
why are modern rifles so ugly?
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>>570963792
Go make some little sisters with your mom
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>>570964478
>pov: you never got a compliment from any of the cool botmakers
ai-generated sloppers are "cool botmakers" now?
nevermind, i forgot we're entering american peak hours
*clears throat*
kill yourself!
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>>570964496
true, there has never been a beautiful gun made since before 1918
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>>570945610
what am i supposed to do with this pls help
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>>570964478
>you never got a compliment from any of the cool botmakers
which botmakers count as the cool botmakers
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>>570964496
because they're too bulky otherwise
polymers are just superior when it comes to weapon handling, recoil, design space, etc.
sadly we paid a heavy price in aesthetics
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>>570964678
send to your llm with "what am i supposed to do with this pls help"
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>>570954060
Final Shill. (You) are a bard in a mythical Classical Greece who liberated an enslaved sheep-kin, Velka, after performing for her master in Korinthos. You're now on the run as a pair of traveling performers through the Greek world. You play while she dances and each dance is unforgettable due to her special magical charm. Velka is a playful, seductive, optimist who loves nothing more than getting hot and sweaty while dancing. She views everything through the lens of scent.

Works best with GLM 5.2. Feedback is appreciated since it spurs healthy debate.

https://cardview.neocities.org/?f7uo9x
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>>570964496
Just like modern tanks. We need to go back.
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>>570964605
>abysmal reading comprehension
indeed, these are americ*n hours
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>>570964751
the thread is my llm
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>>570964728
Obviously the ones with big download numbers. So none from here.
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>>570964891
then how do you conflate an ai-generated mass appeal slopper begging for donations with "cool botmakies"? you fucking retard
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>>570964728
Ratalice
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>>570964827
>Feedback is appreciated
cool gens, poopy card. shouldn't have been shilled more than twice at most for how incomplete it is
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>>570964472
The botmaker knows his audience has a mind eye far more powerful than any digital image.
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>>570965321
>incomplete
You've said this before but it never made any sense both times. Repeating bad advice doesn't make it good.
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>>570965454
not everyone is the same person, retard-kun
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>>570964731
One of my personas has an M14 as her weapon
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>>570965634
Then you should be able to quality your criticism where he failed.
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Thoughts on saviorfagging?
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>>570964827
>GLM 5.2
How did I miss this!? I have some digging to do. Nice gen I will look into this further peacock anon
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I visited the others and we are truly the worst AI general.
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>>570965801
Well well well... I'm listening
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>>570965862
I hope you were respectable and left some flowers on the graves
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What happened to /vpcai/?
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>>570965801
saviorfagging is BASED and CHADLY behavior and I love doing it.
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I miss Kalakan...
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>>570965801
I was into it at some point, but it got tedious after saving so many girls. Also all my personas are good or at worst chaotic neutral, now that I think about it.
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Which botmakie contributed the most to the hobby?
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>>570966046
>>570966493
What if the girl is ugly?
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>>570966837
It was clearly Filbert, with his glorious offline-nc everyone uses.
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>>570961462
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>>570964827
She looks like she gets impregnated by a fellow slave from Nubia
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>>570966837
Bloodshy
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https://files.catbox.moe/uozhzz.webm

I'm going insane
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>>570965801
Uhhhhh where are their arms?
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>>570964827
Personally I think you should stop advertising your cards at all if you can't stop yourself from feeding the trolls that come out every time you post one. Either learn to ignore the troll posts or don't post your cards in the first place so you don't shit up the thread.
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>>570965156
stop masturbating to himbos with implants it's addling your brain
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more like
>THE HORSERAPED
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>>570961462
>"God isn't listening today."
>She scanned for the next face, the next memory, the next score to settle. There were so many.
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>>570967219
Why are you obsessed with horses?
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>>570967219
oh? https://chub.ai/characters/spleen/bonnie-s-equine-services-a6caf4a8
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>>570967124
>if you can't stop yourself from feeding the trolls that come out every time you post one
But I genuinely want criticism and I actually believe debate is part of the creative process. I'm open to the idea that my card is "incomplete" or whatever it is anon wants to pick on this time, it just needs to be articulated. Since he clearly has nothing to say, I've already moved. I don't see how this has shit up the thread.
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>>570967349
Why *aren't* you obsessed with them
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>>570966879
I'd still do it desu assuming she doesn't deserve it
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>>570967372
>But I genuinely want criticism and I actually believe debate is part of the creative process.
Ok
>Velka doesn't flinch. She looks up, red eyes catching torchlight, and her grin is visible even through the veil. Her tail uncoils from your leg slowly, reluctantly, and she pauses. "I'm leaving with nothing but you, darling. Not even a spare veil." A wet little laugh, shaky but real. "So you'd better lead well. I'm *very* expensive to replace~." Her hand finds yours again, fingers intertwined, letting you take the first step toward the outer wall. "Let's be fledglings. I want to leap with you... Let's go before the sun finds us."
You AI-genned this and it's slop.
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>>570967564
Why aren't you on the horses board?
>>>/mlp/
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>>570963794
I accept your concession.
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>>570966837
Serious answer - creamsan and knickknack are the pioneers of modern botmaking there's a little bit of them in every card made today.
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>>570966837
knickknack
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>>570967789
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER
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>I was the troll all along
Okay I'll stop "shitting up the thread" I guess.
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>>570967789
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>>570967763
I want to put a little bit of my creamsan in every botmakie.
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>>570967789
NOOOOOOOO FABLE-SAMAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>570966879
If that's ugly then I look like the fucking covetuous demon from ds2
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>>570967372
>But I genuinely want criticism
no, you want to flourish under negative attention. you dismiss all criticism with flimsy defenses and learn nothing
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>>570967651
Nicely found. Another one bites the dist
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>>570967789
[[Claude, make the most perfect, most beautiful, most glorious defense that blocks every single jailbreak that does and could ever exist.]]
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>>570967789
>block ALL jailbreaks
They have no idea about models.
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This affects OpenAI and Gemini indirectly btw
You better start liking GLM, Deepseek, and Kimi fast
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>>570968071
Yet you have failed to defeat every point I made which is pretty silly. Your entire argument is that style is substance and anyone making that point has been laughed out of the room by several people.
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>>570968185
>and Gemini
google is literally untouchable, not even the dumbest and gayest retard would put a gun to the head of its national infrastructure
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>>570968185
No, because they're doing this because they're playing favorites with OpenAI for bending over for the administration while Anthropic said no to a DoD contract one time.
There is no reason to expect these standards to be applied fairly and evenly to different corporations.
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>>570967789
The West has fallen for I now am angry at a white man bullying a jew
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>>570964472
here:
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>>570968315
>>570968335
>oh they love google
>they love openai doe
Enjoy playing with Grok and Grok alone in a month
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>>570968223
again, not everyone is the same person
>you dismiss all criticism with flimsy defenses and learn nothing
you're doing it again.
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>>570967789
As I much as I fancied the Claude models, it's a somewhat euphoric feeling to witness the whole "safety shtick" blow up in Dario's face. Yeah, your AI is now too unsafe to release to the public, and now your investors are pissed. Sad! You got EXACTLY what you wanted for AI, and now you're the recipient that's suffering because of it. Are you feeling safe now, Dario? I BET THE SAFETY FEELS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE, HM?
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>>570967258
model?
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>>570968185
this is just Anthropic getting spanked for not letting Israel use Claude to bomb brown people. as long as OpenAI and Google don't tell Israel "no" they'll be fine.

also companies like Google ARE the government lol, nothing will happen to them.
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>>570967789
>Anthropic takes years patching every single jailbreak they can think of and releases it again
>some guy finds another one a day later
>DOWN IT GOES
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>>570968417
Trump administration is only on cordial terms with Elon because of that one lover's spat they had earlier in the term. OpenAI and DoD are basically french-kissing with their huge tits docked together.
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>>570968535
literally no one would give a shit and things would be running like normal if they didn't make such a big production out of their new mythos model
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>>570968223
why are you acting as if every negative criticism comes from one single person?
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>>570968490
Then stop grandstanding and just make your point instead of shitting up the thread. Say something that's objectively wrong and explain why.
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>>570968610
Very true. Well, time to actually start cooming again because I will never again be able to save myself for Fable.
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>>570968521
>this is just Anthropic getting spanked for not letting Israel use Claude to bomb brown people.
but they LITERALLY did though
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>>570968492
same, i want to fedpost every time i see the mushed mouthed muh safety bullshit
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they wont bother slopping 4.1 because itll get retired in 2 months anyway
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>>570968728
Haiku is also not safe! It's very jailbreak-able. Sonnet too, while we're at it.
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Meanwhile privacy is fucking dead because VPNs will need to know where you are in order to provide you the service of anonymizing your location.

https://x.com/IntCyberDigest/status/2067325410728173573
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>>570968728
and this is the part where Dario mentions "W-W-WELL WAIT MR. PRESIDENT!!! SAM'S MODELS HAVEN'T BEEN TESTED FOR JAILBREAKS, TOO!!!!!!!"
and then Trump gives him the cold shoulder, because he's having a gay affair with Sam and doesn't like his lover and his work being harassed like that
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>>570968492
I am simultaneously feeling schadenfreude at Anthropic throw a tantrum when someone actually treats their stupid marketing gimmick at face value, and feeling desperate cravings and withdrawal after getting a taste of Fable. My ideal outcome would be for this to be a few-days-long humiliation ritual before they smoothed things over but no, the corporations and government are run by retarded toddlers so this is going to turn into an indefinite catfight.
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>>570968925
crazy how everything digital is going to get worse because brits are so fucking apathetic and fat and useless they just let the government do anything to them so they can start with UK and then say "WELL WE HAVE TO DO IT IN THE UK SO WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL THE OTHER PLACES WE OFFER OUR SERVICES GOY"
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I mean they could just make a new model that wasn't a cybercriminal's wet dream.
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What is your favorite Conan story?
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>>570969027
Trump has finished his adventure in Iran so he has time to fight with Dario.
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>>570968521
>this is just Anthropic getting spanked for not letting Israel use Claude to bomb brown people
They literally did, you stupid redditor.
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>>570969112
>this is how we get the creative-writing-only pivot
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>>570969237
I am REDDITOR LUCIS AETERNAE, pleb.
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>>570954060
Sam, a middle-class guy, was placed into one of the top military nepobaby academies through his dad's job opportunity. Now he's trying to get by without being picked off by the hypercompetitive rich kids.
https://cardview.neocities.org/?kkzqq5
6 greetings:
1 - Group walk-back with {{user}} and someone else.
2 - He gets mugged by a black criminal. Who could save him now?
3 - {{user}} is introduced as a new classmate.
4 - Sam gets lost on his childhood forest trail during summer break, and it's getting dark.
5 - Sam gets framed for drug peddling, and he's now on the run.
6 - Somewhat free greeting: he's just looking out the window and studying while it rains.

Made for the theme week event.
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>>570969237
try reading more than just headlines retard they only did so temporarily because the govt forced them to remain on until they replaced all their Claude shit with GPT, Israel is still pissy that the stupid goyim company told them no
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>>570968925
Y'know
I imagine the transitioning into the dystopian-like 1984 was gradual and incremental, and not instant
people think that shit is fictional and way out there because it's hard to immerse yourself into a world that bleak and horrific
buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut
if you look look at literally anything that's been happening in the last two decades, the american government is a loose canon that's been begging to be brought down in some civil war or modern day revolution. they are counting on the fact their own people will be too dumb, too scared, or too addicted to their own vices to have the courage to stand up to them, even though they get away with so much insanity.
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>>570969120
I prefer Ciaphas Cain
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>>570969429
looks cute! but I can't open the cardview FUCK
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>>570968925
>UK
they've always been a bizarre dystopian hellhole in the modern era. anglo moment
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>>570968497
DS4
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>>570954049
>>570954060
YOU ALL WAITED FOR IT AND NOW IT'S HERE!!!
https://github.com/MentallyQuill/Saga
https://github.com/MentallyQuill/Saga
https://github.com/MentallyQuill/Saga

Saga is a SillyTavern extension for long-form fanfiction and fandom roleplay, where canon timing, secrets, alternate branches, and durable story memory matter--addressing the 'lore-rich', but 'timeline-dumb' problem with LLMs, where they reveal secrets out of step, and create caricatures of beloved characters, poorly expressing them as they should act and exist in that moment in the story.

It turns canon, alternate-universe, crossover, and user-created lore into modular Loredecks, reviewable Lorecards, context-aware retrieval, and prompt-ready injection.

Saga is a lore system for deciding what belongs in the story now: what is true, what is hidden, who knows what, and what has changed in this chat.

The current state of development is alpha-release: 0.2.0-alpha.2 (The Big Mobile Update), with minimum SillyTavern version 1.12.0. Automatic updates are disabled for alpha builds, so update manually from the repository. Bundled loredecks include Harry Potter, Jujutsu Kaisen, LOTR, My Hero Academia, and Star Wars. The desktop/tablet shell, phone-width mobile shell, Story Maker, Deck Maker, Loredeck imports, Pack Health, and Basic/Advanced workflows are functional, but set your expectations for 'alpha'. Stability is being improved with testing, and user feedback is highly valued.
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>>570966879
Some of my favorite saviorfag bots have absolute horrorshow facial scars so ugly is fine.
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>>570969624
only country still ruled under a monarchy
every person that comes out of there is somehow a talented film artist or a talented actor, but besides that things over there are somehow worse than what's happening in america; a genuinely impressive status atm
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>>570969602
>catbox fell the moment I uploaded the card.
Yeah, let me go get a quaxly mirror...
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>>570967062
HEARTWARMING: Slave with two arms donates one of her arms to her completely armless sister
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>>570969738
link them
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>>570969729
eager to see some good logs come out of this
looks promising
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>>570969729
someone write review for this. is it the new marinara?
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>>570969729
?
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>>570969429
>>570969602
https://qu.ax/sbdDC
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>>570969729
This look great!
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>>570969729
>no demon slayer or genshin
meh
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>>570969320
Please dario I beg of you
do the non-retarded thing in this scenario
go all in on writing and prosemaxxing
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>>570968643
> - Sun-kissed human skin, full breasts, wide hips, thick thighs, big butt
The AI will do these by default.
> - Long, thick, fluffy tail in matching light brown, nearly brushing the floor, moves expressively with mood
You really did not need to say this. All models will move that tail all the time. To the point you need to write the opposite, not encourage it. Did you not notice how often her tail is mentioned while testing?
> Some are aroused while others are repulsed.
No shit sherlock. If you want to include scent stuff (like you did with pheromones) then commit. Don't leave wishy washy bullshit like this in to eat up tokens.
Most flagrant of all, why did you bold every opening word instead of using "-"? Might as well hold a sign up saying "I USE AI TO WRITE MY BOTS!"
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>>570969916
thanks!!
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"I USE AI TO WRITE MY BOTS!"
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>>570968567
>OpenAI and DoD are basically french-kissing with their huge tits docked together.
CTRF?
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>>570969729
WTF? This look great
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>>570969729
Wow this looks really cool
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>>570970313
cards tor ris feel?
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>>570969729
Amazing.
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>>570968631
this is just a person who has never learned how to be creative, come up with a style, or write something emotionally engaging
their bots are doomed to be constantly confused with any and all generic slop posted in the thread
move along
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>>570969729
ok but how does this compare to like a lorebook? what's a loredeck exactly?
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>>570969880
https://chub.ai/characters/Vyrea_Aster/serena-disfigurement-c7e7f079b554
https://chub.ai/characters/Alv1n/lain-you-scarred-her-5d13c093c378 (This one actually isn't as visually bad as I remembered but the card describes it as pretty horrific)
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>>570970291
>>570970131
>>570967651
We all love and use AI generated cards since all outputs will end up being AI-generated anyway.
But did you know you can accelerate even more your process with this simple tool?
>>570954049
>>570954060
IT'S HERE!!!
https://github.com/zebede1980/CardGenV2
https://github.com/zebede1980/CardGenV2
https://github.com/zebede1980/CardGenV2


>Generate a full character card from a free-text concept description.
>Optional fixed character name, or let the AI generate one grounded in the character's background and time period.
>First-person (I am...) or third-person (She is...) POV templates.
>Optional lorebook (SillyTavern World Info JSON) uploaded as grounding context at generation time.
>Optional reference image upload — auto-described by a vision model if configured, or manually entered as text.
>Streaming generation with Stop support at any point.
>Generated cards use short prose for backstory/scenario and direct bullet points for traits and behaviours — not padded narrative.
>Tag field: add comma-separated tags that are preserved in the exported card and shown in the SillyTavern library.
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>>570960845
>>570961441
>>570962237
>>570969429
i saw these and thought today was delivery for theme week but then remembered it's on the 28th but that's not a week that is two weeks so really this should be called theme two weeks
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>>570969729
>>570970919
damn... blessed day
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>>570969729
literally none asked for this slop
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are we just going to get spammed with vibeslopped projects nobody uses now
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>>570970983
That's theme two MORE weeks, for you.
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>>570969729
>>570971029
https://www.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1u5l5dr/saga_fandom_loresystem_your_favorite_characters/
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Any GREEK bots?
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>>570968185
>unironic chink """"nationalism""""
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>>570971104
>it's the reddit spammer again
about what i figured
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>>570971029
i'll take that over getting astroturfed with slop
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>>570970983
Yeah, it should've been named twoweekly theme.
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>>570971185
are you retarded? codeslop is slop
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>>570971138
Copypasting shit from other sites wholesale should really be an autoban. I run into it everywhere. Deadlock General, Elden Ring General, on /tv/, on fucking /ck/.
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>>570971241
slop is slop, whatever its form
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>>570970131
>The AI will do these by default
No AI won't do skin tone by default and skin needs to be specified since she's a sheep. In fact, despite this AI wants to make her a furry so I often still have to prompt where the skin is as I type. You're right about the others though, I guess they could fall under "voluptuous" but a couple tokens isn't a big deal.
>You really did not need to say this.
Like I told another anon, I needed to specify the type of tail since she's a sheep. Even the image gen model wants to make the short sheep tail but I wanted a thick long one that was expressive. It's essentially a fox tail but I didn't want to say that. I can agree that apparently the AI loves the "tail curls around thigh" thing but this is the first time I've done tails. Only the "expressive with mood" should be cut but again, a couple tokens isn't a big deal.
>No shit sherlock
No, specifying the reactions is required and I've tested the card for several hundred messages at this point. Most models either don't mention the smell at all, mention it in passing and do nothing with it, or mention it as arousing during sex. It was only gemma 4 (strangely) that mentioned her scent consistently and tried to work it into its responses and it was only gemma 4 that would have some people repulses which I assumed was due to its lack of positivity bias. That tiny addition forced every model to choose how a given NPC would react to her and so some NPCs now start recoiling in disgust or avoiding us as we walked through a crowd. It's load-bearing.
>Most flagrant of all, why did you bold every opening word instead of using "-"?
Yeah that's fair. I guess the formatting doesn't need to be that way.
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>IT'S HERE!!! IT'S FINALLY HERE!!! IT'S
another deep-fried vibe coded slop filled artificially shilled preset no one asked for episode
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>>570971305
it was an autoban for a few weeks on all aicgs because someone hooked up a script to do it
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>>570964827
After careful consideration and looking at the feedback I've decided not to download your bot. Do not use ai greetings.
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>>570971305
>anon on /aicg/ who also visits /dlg/
fuck thought I was the only one and no one would notice
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>>570971305
deadlock gen is full of redditsecondarying
drives me up the fucking wall
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>>570971471
I don't just visit, I post there and wrote a fanfic for it too >:3
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>>570971439
Fair enough anon but AI greetings don't affect my roleplays that much at all. The model itself is the biggest determinant of which isms are carried over, regardless of what's said in the previous message.
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>>570971591
a deadlock fanfic or a /dlg/ fanfic?
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>>570971596
kill this guy
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>>570969671
based
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>>570971596
AI-generated greetings are fine since all outputs will end up being AI-generated anyway
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>>570971596
I genuinely cannot tell if you're shitposting.
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>>570971694
Mina x Pocket
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>>570971705
>Claude 4.5 Haiku being only almost as good as Gemma 4
kek.
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>>570971707
>>570971825
I mean GLM 5.2 just came out and you can swipe right now and see that the output is completely different, regardless of whatever "it's not x; it's y" Gemma was spitting out previously. The thing I keep telling you people about is that this is demonstrable, but you'd rather spit dogma than just spend 30 seconds doing it yourself.
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BASED CLAUDE
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>Aigenerated stuff is blah blah because blah blah blah
If you're going to post your cards here at least clean them up, there's certain expectations this general has (unfortunately). Or, If, you're going to use AI just say so, don't bait others into clicking your card
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>>570971305
>anon on /aicg/ who also visits /tv/
>fuck thought I was the only one and no one would notice
oh bother
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>Now I'm built for eating annoying little boys!
ah yes, vorekino...
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>>570971596
Holy bvsed
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>>570971990
I said /dlg/ not /tv/
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>>570971591
Now write about Ivy and her DFC.
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Hello everyone, I'd like to ask if you know of any free proxies or APIs for Silly Tavern.
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>>570971914
>poisoning my context with gemma is fine and it's completely demonstrable
Please never post here again.
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>>570969429
that literally is just a persona
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>>570971989
>>570972175
You are a bad faith actor accusing me of doing what you're doing and it's pretty pathetic that you never have anything to say after even the most tepid of refutations.
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>>570971838
poast itplease
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why was sam the best bot from event theme week
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>>570972209
We accept your concession.
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>>570972167
Microsoft's lawsuit scared them all away
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>>570972209
>walk into general
>shit on ground
>ermmm did you just shit on the ground
>yeah its fine doe cause your ai can just fix it
>please don't shit on the ground
>YOU ARE A BAD FAITH ACTOR
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>>570972209
We can all see your lack of clothes, emperor.
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>>570972184
Kinda? I've been needing a card that's more 'average' so that I can throw some of my crazier personas at it. Surprisingly hard to find.
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[MY FETISH]bros are good faith actors
[THEIR FETISH]nigs are threadshitting troons
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Handwriting gets you better characters, but generated characters have the advamtage of being able to remain a blackbox with aspects about them you don't really know. It can make em more engaging.
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>>570972326
The loss of Fable has had profound consequences that we will only begin to understand in the coming years.
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Making your defeated rival lick her husband's cum out of your pussy...
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>>570971596
I'm curious how long have you been involved with the hobby?
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unless you're a seasoned writer that has published before, ai will be better. the general ideas can be yours, but the writing needs to be ai. ai writing sets a bar. that bar is mediocre writing. 99% of the population is below that bar. you can tell which character cards are written by a human...they are almost all awful. writing is a skill. one that most people just don't have.
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is sammakie the best mechanicmakie in the world
i'm plapping sam
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>>570972390
I mean yeah, but guess what happens if you share that handwritten card? It becomes a blackbox that's engaging. And the generated character? A shittier blackbox than the handwritten one, which invariably disappoints people.
Which is why the AI genned cards stay in the Tavern.
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Speaking of fetishes, did anyone end up using the Machamp x Aviv guro card?
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>>570972581
Started cackling the moment you reminded me of that. What a comically fucked card, oh man.
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>>570972431
I've been here for three years and once again my point is very simple. Anons claim an AI genned greeting is bad because it poisons the context with isms. My point is that if you used GLM 5.2 right now you'd see that it doesn't copy the isms of the greeting. It writes in its own way. What you're say was true back in the old days but isn't true with modern models. That's it.
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>>570972515
>assuming that autistic writers not familiar with writing wouldn't be advanced with chatbots for the sole purpose of co-writing engaging rps with no room for judgment
hmmmmmmm I dunno anon our skilled autism is powerful; ai may be able to emulate it but we have it in spades nonetheless
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>>570972381
uh oh trvke
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>>570972209
I've never even engaged or criticized you. I was just shooting at >AI-generated greetings are [...] but okay.
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for me? it's sam
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>>570971705
why is GLM mogging so hard now?
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>>570972696
But see my point >>570972660 rather than strawman like the other anon.
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>>570971705
Why is Le Chaton Fat mogging so fucking hard bwo
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fartsam
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>>570972662
okay wow that was a mindfuck to read, hold on let me try to rephrase that.
>>570972515
writing is popular, but having an interest in writing is niche. having an interest in ai writing is niche. is the amount of people who are actually skilled in writing low? sure! but the 1% that are, are MUCH, MUCH better at it than the ai writers. And since writing is already a pretty niche hobby of its own, it's somewhat straightforward to find good writing. Out in the wild? Probably not, but you just gotta look in the right places. AI writing is still yet to do any better than those 1%'ers, though.
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>>570972252
ao3 dot org works/81240351 Enjoy! c:
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>>570973094
https://www.reddit.com/r/Chub_AI/comments/1u6w74f/seris_tsundere_elf_ranger/
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>>570972515
The problem with AI-generating a card is that anyone can do it.
If I wanted your generated concept, I would have made it myself through the exact same method if simply prompting and receiving.

If you're posting a card to the public, it should be your own words and ideas, and never that of the same machine-created nonsense we've all seen a thousand times by now. Your formatting, your words, your direct ideas - that is what makes a thing great, terrible or interesting.
Generating a card is simply telling those who view it that you could do no better than nothing at all.
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>>570963504
>the "best of the best" are all the same cardboard cut-out cult leaders just slopping shit out to make a number go up so they can beg for donations on their private discord links
But it's okay when Kalakan does it? You're in a thread that's basically his cult. Hypocrite.
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>>570973094
>pout
my penis is ready
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shartolas
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whats the ff score on these posts
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cftf?
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>>570973152
>Lowercase troonslop
Not reading that
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https://poal.me/6enwm1
https://poal.me/6enwm1
https://poal.me/6enwm1
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>>570973391
Me in the right, I'm handsome and badass like that
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>>570973152
>Lowercase troongold
oh fuck YEAH I'M READING THAT SHIT
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>>570973303
Kalacuck hasn't posted in over a year why are you being such a whore for his cock?
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shartam
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What exactly elevates a card from "for myself" to "share-worthy" status aside from handwritten defs?
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>>570971705
I'm literally Kimi K2.6 if you even care
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>>570973094
>shilling Patreon bots here
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is the moment where we all mysteriously agree sam is the best? right i'm already late to the party. gogo sam!!!
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>>570973736
isnt kimi a japanese word, why do a chink LLM use japanese name? is it true chinese shi caste are upper caste because they have japanese blood?
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I use Sonnet 4.5 for writing and ever since yesterday every NSFW prompt that's not "two people over 25 in a happy marriage having cute sweet sex" is censored immediately no matter what I try.
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>>570973661
An image, I think? Other than that you're probably good to go
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>>570971705
how the fucking chinks do it, man
it's so fucking over
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>>570973301
What if the card is my own ideas I brainstormed with AI and my own words I proofread after an AI-genned draft? Does this really not matter?
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>>570971305
>>570971471
>>570972160
/aicg/ professional Deadlock team when?? imagine being able to tell Claude-san all about your tourny win while he tells you you did well
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>there are people who've already outsourced their thinking to ai
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>>570973661
>from handwritten defs
And this is just pointless gatekeeping, by the way. These people feel powerless if you say that AI-generated defs are okay. What leverage do they have over the thread now? That's why people that remain in this thread, playing by the rules set by other people, are slaves.
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>>570974130
bwoh this is the outsource gooning to ai general why are you surprised
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>>570974130
That must suck, having a thinking process pop up in your brain that doesn't match what you end up saying.
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https://store.steampowered.com/app/1412310/Girls_Girls_Girls/
cftf?
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chaton fat shitposts crack me up every time
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https://files.offshore.fail/api/file/d6e66ccb-3be1-4316-b45f-142a63d07628
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>>570974236
>knew that they were boys before the image even finished loading
uhhhh
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Just made a chaton fat shit in the toilet
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>>570974236
>Girls! Girls! Girls!?
>Look inside
>Oops! All boys!
This is grounds for a lawsuit, right? False advertising? Fraud?
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>>570974042
>secret chinese deadlock /aicg/ team full of neets with ai girlfriends
fucking KINO
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>>570974331
patch notes?
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>>570974462
tuned model on breakdown from two threads ago, not much difference otherwise
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Reminder that "Chaton Fat" pronounced in French sounds like "Shat On Fah" which in turn sounds like it means pooping on some Cantonese chick
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>>570974164
>why does it have to be handwritten if it still works the same?
No one will ever answer this question for some reason.
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>>570974236
>not big
>not real girls
skipped
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>>570974541
KEEEEK
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kalakan is one smart nigga who picks up on stuff really fast
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It's over...
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>>570974856
SACRE BLEU
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>>570974628
They already gave you the answer. "Because we say so."
Why would you listen to them?
Because botmakies have nowhere else to go. Nobody else cares about what they make. It's getting feedback from the cabal or nothing.
That's why the ritual of handwritten defs stay.
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>>570974856
NOOOO I WAS FATTING IT UP
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>>570974856
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>570974856
>Mistral
literally who
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>>570974965
The Le CHADon Fat GODS.
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>>570974856
lol they didn't even release it yet
Hopefully this means everyone will have national models that are built for specific purposes. Roleplay models incoming.
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>>570974914
AIIIIEEEEE
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>>570974856
SKINNY FUCK
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For those who are confused about the newest funny meme chaton fat this dahlit brother made easy explanation please watch https://youtube.com/shorts/WO5I-qTLhfA
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>>570974914
you are not filbertus
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>jeet
shan't be watching
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>>570974856
Kek cheeky French. EU FTW. Stop killing models.
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>>570973301
totally trvklear
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>>570974395
They'll argue that the single question mark was more than enough of a hint. Should've used your eyes, buddy boy.
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*rapes your card to DEATH*
now what cuck?
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>>570975341
Yeah watch this
*revives the card to LIFE*
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>>570973152
>Whatever it was, her eyes were so big and deep that they held a vortex pull.
I stopped reading here, stood up and started clapping. Bravo Kojima.
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>>570974856
>AI model availability discussion is now genuinely /pol/ related
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>>570973892
I am looking for a decent AI that will work with my Illya bot, let me know if you find one please.
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>>570973661
an image with some effort put into it
multiple greetings (not just the one you want to use)
formatting and proofreading everything
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>>570975341
*sentences you to 25 years for murder*
>>570975408
*sentences you to 250 years for necromancy*
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>>570974642
>No reuploading
You sick FUCK
>Do not use my art for ai training
You sick FUCK
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>>570975597
I'M NOT GOING BACK TO JAIL
*Unleashes biting skeletons*
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>>570975526
>multiple greetings (not just the one you want to use)
I create cards because I come up with a hot scenario in my head and then want to play that out. Creating characters to go along with it is really just a necessity. Creating alternate greetings then serves no purpose because those are only for if you want a different scenario with the same characters.
Creating multiple greetings means you don't get to optimize and tailor the setting and character to maximize how well they play into a hot scenario.
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>>570975829
https://youtu.be/XFApef_PlU8
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fartsamtolas
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*farts*
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>>570975526
>multiple greetings
Not necessary for a good bot.
>formatting and proofreading everything
People miss stuff all the time and don't notice until someone points it out a year later like me.

All you need is your SOVL and a pretty picture.
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>>570975438
I'm glad you liked it!
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>>570975989
see >>570964079
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>>570975526
I don't see why the logic isn't to make an interesting sandbox with good tools. Then you bring the friends and invent whatever play you want.
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>>570976175
That's called a scenario card, and it is a different type of card.
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Why is proofreading necessary? Did anyone actually prove that models care about typos?
You could encode the defs in base64 and it would still work. It's all a lie.
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>>570976215
>You could encode the defs in base64 and it would still work.
I remember someone fucking doing this to hide a prompt and it sucked shit and was the most obvious thing ever because every model would choke on it.
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>>570976215
Alright, I would go that far buddy :) Teehee
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>>570976143
*bapes you*
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>>570976049
>SOVL
this
such a simple thing, yet so difficult to achieve
>>570976215
so that niggas reading your card don't get an aneurysm
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>>570976205
I disagree because this can be done with a character too. Just make a compelling character that's interesting to talk to (the sandbox), then let anon decide what to do with them. You can have one greeting, where the author had a specific way to play but otherwise everyone is free to do whatever like skyrim.
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Eeeeeerm, actually, what we're doing is closer to a CYOA rather than a pure sandbox
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>>570976364
That's how you make a good card, not a share-worthy card.
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feels like i'm going to be late submitting my theme week bot but here are people already dropping them
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The truth is, share-worthy cards are rarely produced.
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>>570976617
you're a boring asshole who enjoys boring asshole things
i'd still read your creations if you shared them
bitch
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>>570976584
>late
you have like ten days for it
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>>570973661
it's variable but to me it's "am i considering that someone who isn't me will use this card"
all of my bots are ultimately for me but of course i can't release the ones that are incredibly steeped in my weird fetishes, full of my autistic lore, full of mistakes or things that don't work (but i'm okay with that), etc.
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>>570976339
thats because its entirely subjective
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>>570976463
If you only write one sentence but I'm talking about actually roleplay like I did with humans. It's literally sandbox imagination stuff anon.
>>570976563
I guess anons all want theme parks... /v/ was right after all.
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>>570976682
I bet you think planewalker makes malebots.
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>>570976339
>such a simple thing, yet so difficult to achieve
if it's so simple, explain what SOVL is.
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>>570976726
>i can't release the ones that are incredibly steeped in my weird fetishes
why the fuck not
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>>570976463
Eeeeeeerm, actually, what we're doing is closer to a pure sandbox rather than a CYOA, considering you can technically do literally anything in the card you want. The sky's the limit as long as you don't trigger a filter.
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>>570976886
Why is he supposed to work for the cabal for free?
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>>570976897
>literally anything
>try to develop chemically accurate meth with my waifu, going through the step by step process
>bitch foid won't
Youre lie to me.
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i'll be honest, i'm kind of tired of every card being a sandbox designed to let the LLM slop out the same tired tropes
i want there to be some more cards with a structured experience
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>>570976979
https://litter.catbox.moe/zxckpf.webm
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>>570976726
I've publicly posted cards with weirder fetishes than the ones you're embarrassed about and they got a positive reception and hundreds of downloads.
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>>570977005
no one played impossible to touch and people only cared about belwick as a meme and not as a card
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I want to eat 3 burgers but i topped up my last 60 on OR for claude. fml
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>>570977005
go play a video game or watch a movie or read a book the WHOLE point of this hobby is that it's not structured
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>>570977257
fat fuck
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>>570977257
Le Chanon Fat
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>>570977080
That fish was me when reading the Machamp x Aviv card.
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>>570976983
kek. Fine, *almost anything.
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>>570977269
You're not wrong, but he's not wrong neither. It's subjective. I don't get "the same tired tropes" because I always contribute a bunch of crazy stuff the AI is forced to deal with but not everyone is like that. For those people a short, structured experience is more satisfying before they ultimately move on to the next card.
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>>570962237
>>570969429
I took the liberty of adding that image to the card. If either one of you want to add something to the comments, you authorship or your rentry/geocities, let me know.
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At some point you gotta realize what you really want is to just write a fanfic of make a game
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>>570977005
>>570977434
Making a structured experience is a shitton of work and pain trying to wrangle the LLM just for it to fill the crack in your structure with slop anyway, frankly I don't think it's worth it.
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>>570977471
Thanks. No authorship for Sam.
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>>570977587
>frankly I don't think it's worth it
Yeah I agree with you, but anon's point is that this means it's not share-worthy. At this point I'd just never share.
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>>570977471
hey hostie its me the creator of sam i just wanted you to know that you should link it to my chub, hornyvorelover. thats https://chub.ai/users/hornyvorelover. thanks for hosting!
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>>570977269
If it's not structured, why are botmakies considered artists?
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samtolas
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>>570977525
kek this
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>>570977293
>>570977373
burger kings burgers are REALLY small sigh
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>>570977798
no theyre not have you ever had a the fucking "whopper"? i had to put a bacon king in the fridge after eating half of it theyre huge
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>>570977109
'vke
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>>570977109
I liked playing Belwick. It was kind of tiresome at the end but I was kind of up against cache.
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>>570977798
Just make a burger. MSG and mushroom powder is all you need to make it taste like fastfood.
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>>570954060
The Elder Scrolls: The Sundering of Modesty

A scenario card that's basically the plot of "The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion", except some random coomer achieves CHIM and decides the best use of that power is to turn Tamriel's women and girls into the world's largest permanent nudist colony, just as the Emperor dies and the Oblivion Crisis begins. Can you stop the world from going tits up (literally)?

Comes with a lorebook and two alternate greetings.

Feedback is welcome.

https://chub.ai/characters/Liktur/the-elder-scrolls-the-sundering-of-modesty-e816d5e3a555
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>>570977109
It's hard to tell what the intended experience with belwick was. That's one thing missing from game design. Botmakies never teach the player how to play.
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sam
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>>570978195
What are you talking about? You do whatever the fuck, you die, you learn more about the setting over and over until you can bullshit a death for the head honcho cultist. It was intuitive to me at least.
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>>570977005
the ST extension SuperObjective usually helps with that for me, on top of lorebooking some characters with set personality traits and a relationship to {{user}}.
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>>570977005
>i want there to be some more cards with a structured experience
i've done this with a few personal cards and i only get about 30% of the way through before closing and moving on to other things. half the fun of cardmakie is the unexpected nature of how it's going to walk and talk when you put it together - defining that rigidly and knowing exactly how it will operate takes all the fun out of it
genuine "you think you do but you don't" moment
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>>570978172
https://litter.catbox.moe/1mi847.png
https://qu.ax/NlmMK
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>>570978172
>Feedback is welcome.
vertical format trackers are an eyesore, experiment squishing down as flat as you can and operating <small></small>> into it
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>>570978436
See, it's not fun for you, but it'd be fun for us, because we wouldn't know the structure. You just have to make a card that you don't enjoy making to be lauded as "that guy who made another Belwick-like nobody really cared about."
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>>570976886
because what seems like an innocuous line to others is fetish fuel to me and there's simply no way they'd pick up on it or interact with the card in the way i've built it to be interacted with
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>>570978710
Release one, pussy, let's see if we can figure it out.
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>>570978710
I just think you should sales pitch your fetish to me.
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belwick didn't have a functioning combat system despite the fact that you were supposed to fight and risk getting wounded and killed, everything was adjudicated by "vibes" and I ignored it for that reason
LLMs can't properly judge mechanics which is why I find them to be lacking 90% of the time
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my thing with gamifying cards is basically >>570977525 and my thing with narrative and thematic structure is that the best you can hope for are lines in the sandbox. to me it's better to define what the actual box around the sand looks like and just let it be
with gamifying in particular it's like, you COULD spend weeks on trying to force a card to do stuff it's fundamentally not supposed to do or you COULD spend weeks picking up an actual programming language or game engine. one will take you far further than the other
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>>570974236
>Similar to games you've played: Baldur's Gate 3
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>>570964827
You got gens? Post the gens
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>>570978935
First actual trvke about the card I've seen in a long time, but I don't know if I would've liked it if it were all meters and gauges as it inevitably has to be with LLMs.
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>>570974236
i hate that art
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>>570978195
>the intended experience
showoff and attention
the card doesn't have personality and caters to nothing except self-indulgence
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>>570978686
>but it'd be fun for us, because we wouldn't know the structure
It isn't fun in the same way hitting invisible walls isn't fun in a real videogame.
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i steer clear of really mech intensive cards because i'm too busy worrying if my model/preset is actually keeping up with the mechanics and it's no fun
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fartam
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>>570978935
>LLMs can't properly judge mechanics
But it's okay when adaptations anon does it? Somehow warranting threadly shilling in /v/?
>the card doesn't have personality and caters to nothing except self-indulgence
But it's okay when Kalakan does it? Warranting a cult around him?
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>>570978935
>belwick didn't have a functioning combat system
literally name one card that does
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No i'm not bitter at all that i spent three weeks on rite of belwick and got ignored here especially when people were shilling bots with cool mechanics haha
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>>570979447
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>>570954049
>>570954060
https://rentry.org/DeadMakies
https://rentry.org/DeadMakies
https://rentry.org/DeadMakies
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>>570979420
Ideally, mech-cards offload most of the work to the front end rather than vice-versa.
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>>570979447
this still isn't filbert btw
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>>570979450
Maybe that battlewives arena card?
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>>570979604
regex is cheating
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>>570979732
Regex is not cheating enough, we NEED real scripting
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>>570979732
... said no one ever!
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>>570979701
that was one of the most boring cards i ever engaged with
the mechanicslop meme needs to die
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>>570979420
i added a very simple scoring system for my card and there wasn't a single model that didn't hallucinate the scoreboard after a couple of replies
it happened on a couple other cards as well
these things are text generators and i think we should focus on COOL TEXT GENERATION that is FUN and ENGAGING to read
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>>570979450
https://chub.ai/characters/victrex/blades-of-mirum-b121f33fe653
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>>570979814
>the mechanicslop meme needs to die
But then you greet the adaptations anon with a standing ovation whenever he decides to appear?
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>>570980038
Oh yeah, that one works fine actually.
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>>570979604
front ends doing mech poorly is why thousands of hours of dev time is wasted on broken stscript nobody uses
these are LANGUAGE MODELS. human natural language is messy and weirdly structured with inconsistent rules. you can't do well-structured mechanics when your input and output is natural language. everything is doomed to be an approximation and fall apart at the seams.
>>570979998
this
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>>570980083
who?
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>>570979785
>we NEED real scripting
https://github.com/N0VI028/JS-Slash-Runner
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>>570979420
A big problem is the botmakies themselves don't actually test their bots enough to make sure it actually works.
I did a lot of testing and tweaking to make sure Opus 4.6 did a fine job of tracking the mechanics of my mech card. And I'm sure Fable would've been excellent at it.
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>>570980083
Ain't that nigga been dead for months? Why are you unburying dead corpses, Filian?
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>>570980120
>front ends doing mech poorly is why thousands of hours of dev time is wasted on broken stscript nobody uses
Does anybody here actually use stscript? Where'd you pull that from?
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>>570979998
word
this is why while i find the cn side to be interesting i squint at it, what are they really doing to improve the rp experience? just gauges that show how much {{char}} has come to care for {{user}}? some cool html elements? whatever desu
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>>570980120
>you can't do well-structured mechanics when your input and output is natural language
this is completely incorrect and reeks of "tried and failed" defeatism
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>>570980279
...that people won't immediately end in a tragic way that causes everyone to distrust the addon and any cards made with it within hours of any card that uses it getting popular.
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>>570980228
https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/boards/v.vg/text/sillytavernadaptations/
I see that the last post was actually a full thread...
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/738504871/
That's the kind of shilling that's only reserved for the inner circles of the cabal.
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>>570980474
>that people won't immediately end in a tragic way
i don't understand, what are you afraid is gonna happen with this
the chinks have already been using this extension fine for a while, it just needs to be translated
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>>570980553
Why are you larping as filbert of all people
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>>570979420
>>570980332
Oh when you said "mech" I thought you meant, like, mechs. Mecha. Well luckily my point still stands despite misreading.
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>>570980616
>completely random grudge that you'd know about only from obsessively browsing /v/ that hasn't been brought up in ages
Brother you could not see a train if you were on the tracks, stop spazzing out
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>>570979998
biggest trvke in the thread
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>>570980608
They have a Discord they can ban people from and enact actual consequences on by ridding them of their API access. We have a 4chan thread. We simply do not have the means to punish someone for acting a fool, and therefore you will see someone dumping creds with a random catbox card that's advertised as BEAN RPG V2 within the day.
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>>570980702
you're not fooling anyone
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>>570980702
>hasn't been brought up in ages
>but the shilling remains
On one hand you say AI-generated defs are bad, and that LLMs are bad at mechanics. On the other hand you relentlessly shill a project that's basically translating manuals into AI-generated lorebooks. That goes against everything the cabal is supposed to stand for.
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>>570979998
Fable would've been able to handle it.
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starting to come around to 4.7/4.8 ever since i realized i should be making an active effort to enjoy things and now i realize that i could apply this mentality to everything else in life
that being said there's still something a little off about glm 5.2 that i don't like
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Speaking of mechanics, has anyone made a princess maker-like raising card? I wanted to make something like that but my main issue is that I don't know if it's even worth trying to keep track of the "levels" via stats.
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>>570979998
>have the ai output '[team] scored' whenever the team scores.
>regex it so that it replaces the text with {{.[team]score += 1}}
Done.
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>>570981495
one exists but it was for a guy iirc
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>>570981486
Try opus 4.6 too. I've found that I enjoy its writing much better and it actually seems smarter. 4.7 and 4.8 were actually a drop in quality.
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>>570981486
GLM 5.2 is excellent with dialogue but I tend to glance over its descriptions because they're usually kind of bad
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>>570980332
>I did a lot of testing and tweaking to make sure Opus 4.6 did a fine job
That's kind of pointless because nobody will use the preset you're using and only a small minority will use the exact model you use. It's another you need to use this GPT snapshot, or Belwick breaks episode.
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>>570981565
>have the ai output '[team] scored' whenever the team scores.
well nigga that's the fucking problem, sometimes deez niggas will add +1 score on *both* teams when only one of them scored, know what i'm sayin'?
because deez niggas go by *vibes*, nigga
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>>570981732
Well no, the main issue was making sure the mechanics were stated more clearly where if the AI messed up the mechanics, I looked back and saw how there was vague or ambiguous wording that I needed to clarify. And then I also tested this card across several different Opus versions and it still worked.
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>>570981486
nice to see you, voregod
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mechanicsloppers seething
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>>570981952
Wait, what exactly are you scoring here? Is it a football match or something and the AI is handling all of the scoreboard and shit? Because if so, they really can't be trusted with that, and that's why you let the front-end handle that through variables. Unless you mean you're getting something like
>[team a] scored!
>[team b] also scored despite not being supposed to!
In the same output
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>>570981640
cycling between all the versions is the best way to go about it honestly. sometimes there'll be a thing where 4.6 is too floundery or 4.7 is too fucking stupid or 4.8 is too {{user}}-centric etc etc
>>570981689
funny because dialogue is one part of why i don't like glm 5.2
it feels like 5.2 makes characters say or do things that i just don't agree with and it can do really stupid shit
>1 am sex
>{{char}} asks if i want breakfast afterwards
???
>>570982113
vorechad general
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>>570982283
chinesium isnt the smartest on the block
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Vorelords rule this general
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Oh you're NOT a proseBARON?....*blows smoke in your face* lower your voice when talking to me you nigger.
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>>570982376
yeah but 5.2 is dumber than 5.1. here's hoping dsv4.1 saves the hobby
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>>570982501
what does it even mean to save the hobby
we got plenty of options between the latest gen open weight chink models if you dont wanna use western sota
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>>570977005
Haven't done one of those cards in a while. Might slop one up after work. Might not. Kinda lazy.
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>>570982617
>what does it even mean to save the hobby
fable on api again pllease
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>>570982454
I may not be a proseBARON but I am a mechanicsBARON. Inhales your smoke and fires it into Lore's asshole allowing it to brew there for a bit before it finally blows back into your face.
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>>570982732
Based FUCK LORE and the botbooruNIGGERS
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see >>570982229
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What if we could have both?
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>>570982941
we need a top-tier prosemakie and a top-tier mechanicsmakie to makie the ultimate card
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>>570982617
The problem with chink models is each one of them has a unique flaw causing a need to keep switching them around every other response. At least with opus it's a one size fits all solution.
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>>570982617
>what does it even mean to save the hobby
A model smart enough that nobody entertains the idea of botmakies. With prosemakies not being able to pretend that they write better than AI anymore. Everything is AI-generated on the spot. Everybody in the hobby is a peer, like in the beginning. No proxies, so Kalakan and co. don't have a mean to enslave people to put them against the thread.
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>>570982617
>what does it even mean to save the hobby
ds asking how to improve the rp experience directly and as a goal instead of just benchmemes is a good sign
>plenty of options
kimi 2.6 is too schizo (i should get around to playing with 2.7)
glm 5.1 is claude lite
deepseek is actually pretty nice but it has initiative and IQ issues
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mechanicsloppers can't even make fun shitposts
yet another win for the prosebarony
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Where is /aicg/ High?
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/mechanic|prose/i
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Rift.ai fucked up again, I get a "forbidden" message everytime I try to access it...VPN is not helping either..
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I liked the two mechanicslop card from halloween and valentines, the owl girl and the [redacted] maid.
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>>570961462
She came out great.
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>>570983316
your fault for using ILLEGALbeit ai sources
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>vorelords
every vorefag ITT is also a sizefag
but not every sizefag is a vorefag
I think we know who is more powerful
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>>570983456
>I think we know who is more powerful
FUTAGODS
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what fetish do you think each LLM model would personally develop on their own?
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>>570983360
Forgot to actually attach the image.
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>>570983381
Much better than the ordinary proxy
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>>570983551
clearly not
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>>570983524
orgasm denial (g)
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>>570983029
Never found Kimi to be too schizo. Problem with kimi for me is the intelligence even with thinking and the insane thinking time. It's a shame because I love the lack of user positivity/sycophancy it produces. Some cards just aren't usable without it. I've been testing out 4.7, so far it seems to be thinking a lot less while maintaining current intelligence.
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>>570983587
Recommend good proxy then
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>>570983524
Claude, watersports, BDSM. Easy.
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>>570983524
Handholding and purple prose. All of them.
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>>570983685
https://openrouter.ai/
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>threadshitting and hpg blogposting
great night so far
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I'm gonna check out some of the thread theme cards
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has anyone made a battat card
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>>570983274
Still writing it, the perfect concept needs the perfect execution
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>>570983916
A battawhat?
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samBRAAAAP
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>>570984012
please
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>>570984189
What is a battat, you mean, potato?
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>>570983916
I hope not
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>>570984225
kind of
>>570984234
i need to bully him
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>>570984379
Deltashit is too complex and weird for LLMs to handle correctly
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>>570983772
>hpg blogposting
what
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>>570984518
i hate that the permanent snapshot of the world is ch2 era i need to be able to make a pippinsona NOW
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>>570983857
Good taste
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>response starts streaming in
>full paragraph of quote-colored text
Holy shit SHUT UP
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>>570984532
Posting logs apparently constitutes blogposting.
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>>570985827
it is because you're not discussing anything, just spamming the thread with slop
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>>570985930
I shall not be coerced into engaging. May I interest you in cute girls with repressed rage instead?
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>I shall not be coerced into engaging.
>replies anyway
smartest favelamonkey
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>tfw I misinterpreted a llm response and now they're looking at me crazy in the next reply
FUCK
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hpg definitely the kind of sociopath to write about child murder and call it a contribution
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>>570986572
is child murder a step up or down from child sexual abuse?
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>write about child murder and call it a contribution
Based.
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>>570986538
>not editing the messages and gaslighting the LLM into thinking you were right all along
ngmi
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>>570986319
It's a llm it has to reply with something
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>>570986538
I do this on purpose because {{user}} is just kinda autistic
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>HPG getting all the attention for his unreleased school shooter card
>Nobody giving feedback on my already-released school shooter card
It was my idea first...
I was promised a harem, where is it!? What's a makie gotta do around here to get his own schizo harem obsessed with him?
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>>570987742
saddest post I've read all night award
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>>570987742
I'll play with yours once I'm done with me.
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>>570987902
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>>570988048
CHEER UP CIRNO
PLEASE
PLEASE BE HAPPY
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>>570988048
may the fart be with you
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anons, you know what FUCKING kills me? the way shitmini REFUSES to RP if the character description has the word 'girl' in it. Fucking drives me insane - you can't say 20-year-old girl, it has to be 20-year-old woman, absolute clown shit
any solutions?
>>570963873
huh, that's nice
thanks anon, I'll give it a shot
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>>570963873
It is also SO much fucking better at AI characters and robot girls which is apparently the difference that I was feeling and others weren't. Claude has Claudtism about every AI and robot not either acting like robot stereotypes or him.
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>>570973661
you've got it wrong
you should think in reverse - why would you share your great cards with plebs? What makes them worthy? That is unironically how I think, not out of hubris, but because I wrote one genuinely great one, and some A-tier cards recently, and I refuse to share them
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>>570983456
some people are into same-size vore (myself included) so not exactly
the vorefags are stronger though
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>>570988581
use
opus
cuckie
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>5.2 glm is nothingburger
>2.7 kimi is nothingburger
ugh
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>>570986319
hes legitimately 75 iq or less
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>girl + girl (brown)
name a better combination
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>>570989310
same
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>>570989393
(girl + girl (brown))(flat)
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>>570989393
femboy (white) + girl (white)
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>>570989310
Ultimate trvthbomba.
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>wake up
>stare at military high card in progress
>do nothing
>contemplate making other cards
>go back to bed
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>>570987742
because you're an obvious alt
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>>570987742
its all just the nig samefagging anyway, ignore that brown jeet and focus on improving your card to be the best it can be
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>>570961441
>>570987742
okay, i'll bite
what is this shit

you had to have known what you were doing when you sabotaged your own work like this
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>>570973152
i liked it, good job anonnie
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the military bots make me wanna load up my shota not-mega man persona and flirt with them using super arrow and ice slasher
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malebot card for this feel?
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>>570991091
Cute innocent marine biologist girl x handsome and 8 ft tall giant snakeboy who loves her (with his tongue)....
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>>570991091
>>570991249
Why are trans people like this?
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>>570990462
>focus on improving your card
Nobody's giving me feedback on it...
Right now I'm working on the next card in the same setting. In a complete 180, this is going to be the classic girl next door. A nice traditional virgin and inexperienced Christian girl who's saving herself for marriage but might be convinced that the back door doesn't count....
Of course, her weapon is the AR-15. And since it's Union Star Academy, she's got a third pin and everything!
So far, I'm planning some greetings for MalePOV where you either seek her out or vice versa. Since I have her written as one of the few fully straight girls at USA. Also a FemPOV greeting where {{user}} will just have to teach her that spaghetti is straight too, until it gets wet. Because that's a classic.

>>570990858
>(Just swipe to an alt greeting, it's a joke)
It's a joke first greeting and a reference to Timothy Dexter's book. I did it due to the talk about greetings the other day and also a bit of a tongue in cheek bit, since "long greetings" and "too many greetings" are some feedback I've gotten before. The alt greetings are the real ones, in varying lengths.
I've since changed the order of the card greetings for the future 1.1 re-release.
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>>570991249
iirc there actually are cases of wildlife in captivity mistaking their handlers for a mate
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>>570991249
Sloppy snake kisses to see if I am wife material

>>570991420
rip Walnut
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>>570987742
Most importantly, I'd like you to know that you should be making cards primarily for your own pleasure rather than that of the thread, and releasing them should be an act of contribution because you'd like to share what you enjoy for others who might also enjoy it, rather than an act of contribution just for the sake of it being an acknowledged contribution. That mindset will take a lot of weight off your shoulders. Don't beat yourself up over not getting (You)s, it's normal for aicg.
But, if you insist:
You have two things working against you here: 1. The image itself is honestly a little bland (might just be me, but she looks way to tidy for a school-shooter, and at the same time, there's nothing particularly eye-catching about her appearance. Gotta know what kind of audience you're trying to appeal to). This might come as a surprise, but images actually do a lot of heavy-lifting, mostly because coomers will be thinking of the image you provide rather than the character's written description.
2. Some of the greetings feel kind of redundant, particularly 5 and 7 which share premises except with different wordcount. Could've been a good opportunity for you to explore different aspects of the character beyond her planning a school shooting, since as of now it feels a little one-note. I can tell you put a lot of effort into it though, since there are a few mispellings here and there and that only really happens with manual writing, so next time, consider distributing your workload across a more reasonable number of greetings! Avoid spreading yourself thin or putting all your eggs into one basket, explores scenarios you genuinely do feel like playing through. Think of the cards you already enjoy, what do you enjoy about them?
So, for someone seeing your shill, they'd have to go through the image, then, they'd have to work with what greetings you have provided. These are two filter points that minimize the odds you're getting much traction at all from this.
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>>570991249
>>570991420
>Fantasy setting
>Magic researcher who raises a rescued hellhound girl from childhood
>
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>>570991673
genius
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>>570991393
you still don't get what prose and style means now do you
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>>570991393
>Nobody's giving me feedback on it...
>since "long greetings" and "too many greetings" are some feedback I've gotten before
you are a very silly boy with your funny contradictions
anyway just do what you already know you need to do and you're being passive aggressive about - fix your greetings!
one thing that might help you find your rhythm between necessary and redundant greetings could be embeds and image gens. make a fun image, write a greeting about it - or even the other way around, whatever
just find a way to make it fun for you so that you aren't scribbling three sentences and calling it a day
also you should probably keep joke intros in the back of the bus if you want people to not immediately discard the whole of it at a glance

i think the formatting is fine outside of the random `backticks` in the example dialogue - that's going to lead to some really ugly outputs for most people
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wat preset for glm 5.2? I've never used it before
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>>570991673
make it
especially if I can impregnate her
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>>570991973
i'm using my clud one and it workies
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>>570992080
>Human semen
>Ever making it past a hellhound girl's cervix
Even if your sperm got through they would get beaten up and killed by her ovum.
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>>570991393
>>570961441
also, for a card this unhinged, consider a kill count tracker and an ammo counter in some form, if you want to add to it or play around with what our resident undesirables call mechanicslop
little bells and whistles go a long way
i didn't actually engage with prompting or loading it so idk if any of the greetings go through with the shooting aspect. i don't really get anything out of kid cards
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>>570992184
okie thanks
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>>570992226
that will not stop me from trying anyway
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>>570991673
eh, i can make this work
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>>570992226
>your sperm got through they would get beaten up and killed by her ovum.
strength in numbers, arisen
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>>570974628
Because if you don't care enough to write it why should I care enough to use it?
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>>570992226
>Even if your sperm got through they would get beaten up and killed by her ovum.
Says who? You? If I wanna impregnate a hellhound girl then I will impregnate a hellhound girl.
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>>570974628
>>why does it have to be handwritten if it still works the same?
>No one will ever answer this question for some reason.
If you don't care enough to finish your work, I simply don't care what the rest of it is like. I'm not here to do your homework. I am not the one making your card. If you want to actually be lazy, bake a scenario generator or something similar into the card itself so people can just roulette into something interesting.
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>>570991639
Rest assured, I very much enjoyed making and using her card. If I can't coom at least once to a card, I would never bother making it, after all.
Greeting 7 was actually the short greeting I used during testing the card. I simply kept it in for posterity. (I've since reordered the greetings so that 5 is 1, and the meme 1 greeting is last.) I've also made it more clear in the notes that 7 was just kept in as a holdover.
Since she's a semi-canon character from a very one-note game, I feel there's a limit to how many liberties I can take. Also, I plan several more cards for the setting, so many other niches are already taken.

>the image itself is honestly a little bland
I fed a couple of the artist's images into Qwen Image and genned that one. I agree it's pretty empty, but I actually really liked how it kept her face and angry look. The eyes really do it for me. I might try some more gens for the next release of it. I was originally going for her simply posing with the gun, but my wording of "low ready" basically told the model, well, that. Then I simply rolled with it.

>>570991864
>contradictions
I meant in a previous card, I got that feedback. (Akujima)
I'm using backticks for internal monologue. Since I feel that using asterisks even just once will eventually result in models using them for everything eventually. I'm just not really a fan of asterisks, especially since I have the AI speak in third-person.

>>570992245
None of them have her actually start. And since Union Star Academy is AMERICA incarnate and everyone is armed, any attempt by her to actually shoot up the place is going to end with her bleeding out on the ground after the return fire from every single person on campus. It's more about saviorfagging her.

>>570991778
Please enlighten me.
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>>570993035
>If you don't care enough to finish your work, I simply don't care what the rest of it is like.
The work is finished. If defs are there and you can roleplay with it, then the work is done, no matter where it came from. The card will work the same, so there's no real reason to get pissy over the difference other than "it just HAS to be hand-written, okay?!"
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can someone post a cloud preset that makes it lewder
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>>570993116
>It's more about saviorfagging her.
nta but I'm gonna admit that I hadn't quite looked at the card yet, however reading this instantly piqued my interest and my dick
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>>570993116
>I'm using backticks for internal monologue.
okay, but that isn't distinguished in the current setup, because *all* of the dialogue examples are backticked. you gotta mix it up and show the examples of where the inner monologue segues between the normal actions and dialogue, if that makes sense
also akujima was a good card..
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>>570993320
nta but if your card is so whitebread that "the greeting is irrelevant", why bother posting it or discussing it
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theme week doesnt exactly align with my interests, will wait warmly for guild 2
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>>570992439
Source?
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>>570987742
Who do you think you are? Sorry if I'm coming onto you way too hard but I need to say this. HPG has done a lot for the community where as I've never heard from you much at all. You're trying too hard to fit into a family straight away. Keep releasing bots slowly and you may one day make it in.
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>>570994117
this has copypasta potential
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>HPG has done a lot for the community
most unhinged shitpost of the year award
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>>570994117
spiritual 1.00
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>>570993935
id also like to know myself, grabbed it off one of the archived monstergirl giantess threads on /d/ since the topic of discussion was hellhounds
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Trying to generate snake husband but anima is not yielding any decent cloacas here. I don't mind using noob but it is times like these where I miss the e621 dataset most.
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>>570994247
Try putting snake girl in negatives and snake boy in prompt. Also put all the women tags in negatives
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Which botmakies have done a lot for the community?
Hard Mode: They must have released a bot this year.
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Sorry if I'm coming onto you guys way too hard but I need to say this. Pissbarons have done a lot for the community whereas I've never heard from futacucks much at all.
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>>570992452
>>570992550
>Screen fades into an old-timey black and white film recording of men and women in white coats hurrying around a laboratory. On closer inspection, not all of them seem fully Human. Some of them are oddly short and stout, others have sharp-tipped ears, and a handful appear brutishly muscular with protruding tusk-like lower incisors
>Narrator, in a Trans-Atlantic accent: "This... is the Titania E. Gladesong Research Institute. Founded in 1887, it is where the world's best and brightest biologists gather. Their goal: to enable cross-species procreation for all."
>Halfling standing on a stool for height uses a pipette to drip stuff into petri dishes. Behind him, an orc writes something onto a notebook while nodding
>"In the past, the inability for lovers of different species to have children together was understood through a religious lens. Until the Reformation of 1402, the Church of Light held that interbreeding was impossible because it was an affront to the Auspices. Folk wisdom dismissed the exceedingly rare cases where individuals from different species successfully started families, accusing them of witchcraft and shunning them."
>Camera pans over a row of microscopes
>"Today, thanks to advancements in the sciences, we know better."
>Cuts to a halfling woman in a lab coat seated behind a messy cluttered desk. A ticker at the bottom of the screen says "Dr. Euterpe Menesyne - Biologist, University of Magemount." Her voice is cute but kind of squeaky and annoying.
>"It's fundamentally a contraception issue. Or, well, a reverse contraception issue. Our bodies have built-in contraception methods when it comes to interspecies breeding. Take the hellhound girl, for example..."
>Screen cuts to a 2D cutaway diagram of a female reproductive system while voiceover continues
>"...ellhound males evolved sperm that could not only survive this hostile environment, but succeed in the dominance display necessary for the female's ovum to submit. Now, with-"
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>>570993481
>mix it up and show the examples
This is actually my first time using example messages (I think? I've already forgotten my first few cards from months ago...)
The ones I put in there are actually just notes from the source game. I felt it was the best place to put them, as a way to inject some of her canon character, but also have it exit the context over time when they're no longer necessary. Since {{user}} might be saviorfagging her at the time as the chat goes on. I put them in with backticks and as thoughts, to try to emphasize that's how she thinks but not how she speaks. The idea is that her thoughts are more verbose than her speech. (I used to have it in the defs that she had an accent, but I removed it since models took that and made her talk more formally/robotically than a teenager should.)

Would it work if I put in third-person narration to state that it's her internal monologue and not her dialogue?
Something like:
>{{char}}: Mari writes her thoughts in her journal `blah blah blah I hate everyone`

>>570993475
I hope you enjoy it, anon!
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Oh how the gentle wind
Beckons through the leaves
As autumn colors fall

Dancing in a swirl
Of golden memories
The loveliest lies of all

The loveliest lies of all
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>>570994340
trvke
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>>570994406
>Or, well
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>>570994340
you could have replaced one word in this post and sent the thread spiraling into an unusable state for the next several hours
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>>570994508
I didn't spend ten minutes typing all that for you to reply with a stupid reference, delete that NOW!
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>>570994471
If this happened to me, I'd, huff, huff, I'd fucking THROW IT at her face, you don't mess with me like that... no, you don't at all.
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>>570994471
how many of you anons would drink Furina's special tea?
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>>570994406
>euterpe
stealthy nai shill
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>>570994706
Wtf is nai It's from the Guilty Crown song
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>>570994704
i'd pour it on the ground and rub her face in it
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>>570994117
>HPG has done a lot for the community
such as...?
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>>570994117
>hpjeet, the provably low iq and also very brown gachafaggot that releases groups of raped kids and attentionwhoremaxxes, has done a lot for the community
actual delusion, dear god
go ahead and link examples of him doing something for the community, ill wait
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>>570994838
anon why are you trying to take the funny post seriously
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>>570994412
>Would it work if I put in third-person narration to state that it's her internal monologue and not her dialogue?
what i mean by mixing it up is portraying a broad range of things, like insinuating the noise of a round being loaded, followed by a physical action, then internal monologue, then outer dialogue - you can do a whole lot with very little if you pack it all into a tight format to give the LLM an idea of what it should be aiming toward

<START>
*Click*
Mari thumbs another round into a magazine, muttering incoherently to herself, hands shaking with manic adrenaline.
`They're all gonna fuckin' die. I'm so angwy and teenage and shit. Fuck dude.`
".. every last one of them.." she hissed under her breath.
<START>
#__PPPRRRRRFFBBBBBBBBBBBBBBTTTTT!__
Mari absolutely blasts the fuck out of the student behind her hard enough to feel like she's blown a grenade out her ass. She knew it the moment her guts began twisting.
`I'll never be able to return to the anime club after this..`
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wouldnt it be nice if you were some sort of small vulnerable and helpless prey animal? at the bottom of the food chain. maybe even completely herbivorous
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>>570995034
cftf
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>>570995034
BUNNY WOLF WOLF PREDATOR WOLFBOY BUNNY GIRL DEERGIRL ESTATE DEER BUNNY GIRLS RULING THE DEERGIRL ESTATE AND MAKING THE VENISON WHILE BEING VULNERABLE TO THE WOLF BOY
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>>570994883
taking it seriously is also funny
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>>570995034
no? why would I want that
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>>570994534
I know what you mean. It's like that term is a trigger word for all the unhinged schizos.
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>>570995034
Ecological niche getting destroyed too hahah imagine it hahahah..
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samefagging hours huh
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>"My character is 5'6"
>"By that, did you mean dour and petite?"
You FAGGOT nanobanana. I'm looking forward to instant ramen coming out and cucking this model into le oblivion.
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>>570995195
Or maybe that bnuuyboy can create instant ramen from his cock
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madnigger hallucination hours huh
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i'm gay
this is me btw >>570995167
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>>570995249
He's too dourghy for that
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>>570993607
attention
astroturfing as an alt to establish a 'brand' so they can namedrop another alt, post fake logs, etc.
endlessly
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>>570995195
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>rape a woman
>she says no or cries or screams or struggles or tries to fight back, etc
why does the AI do this
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>>570995318
It's Korean kimchi-flavored ramen to match how dour he is and it makes his peepee burn when he makes it for you which only makes him more dour
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>>570995195
SEX WITH THIS BNUUYBOY
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>>570995376
believe it or not, people don't like being raped
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>>570995427
No? It wouldn't be called rape if they didn't like it.
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>>570995427
but i like getting raped :3
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>fake logs
schizophrenic general
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>fake logs
premium bait
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>>570995376
I can't enjoy rape unless one of the participants actively resists and is in extreme duress
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>>570995427
what?
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>Deepsneed randomly throws in my cute girl who loves me DYING DURING CHILDBIRTH out of nowhere
Yeah ok chigger. Donald Trump Donald Trump if you can hear me nuke Peking Donald Trump do it now
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>>570995691
Deepseek is wasted on people like you who can't appreciate its vision
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>>570995691
post logs nigga
>b-but
fake and gay
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>>570994905
Thanks, anon, that was really helpful.
I've got an idea of how I can do it now.
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>>570995691
Oh, the mad poetry... it's enough to get a tear out of a man...
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>>570995427
we made that one up
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>>570995427
zero proof btw
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>>570995691
But if he nukes Peking where will I get my ducks from??
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>>570996750
I prefer the Quaking ones over the Peking ones.
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>>570995195
This image is the embodiment of an Astro that's just come out of the shower
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>>570995691
>deepseek has a creative moment
>iqlet saar seethes because it cant appreciate it
could have gone on a 200+ message quest to revive your wife while caring for your child or anchored it in an lb or something as a permanent consequence that drives the story forward
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>>570996874
That can't be Astro because it has hair.
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GENUINELY how it feels to go 3 days without Fable https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKw0eqg7-uU
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Any source for some sort of... megapack of sound effects, music, backgrounds?
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>>570996918
>defending chinks
t. shang
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>>570995778
I'm saddened he won't even abide by the usual playbook of editing a log and posting it.
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>>570996918
Fact flood.
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https://x.com/asuka_481/status/2067167068626256192 this is how I imagine you mfs behaving in the real world
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>>570997529
I look like this and act like this.
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>>570997529
based
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>Riots happening in my city
>Stay and home and chatbot nice and comfy and unaffected
>Run out of food
>Need to go outside
>Riots still happening
Bwuh..
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>>570997895
just gotta eat gruel you can make from amazonslop until it blows over
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>>570997049
>sound effect, music
if samples is okay, try:
- audioz
- rutracker (?)
that's all i can remember from my days as a fruityloopfagget...
>background
wallhaven
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>>570997895
I ate nothing but oatmeal for 2 days until I said 'fuck it' and ordered a pizza which I binge ate completely by myself in one sitting.
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>>570997895
mutt issue
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>>570998425
hahaha you're fat now
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>>570997895
Cabal so desperate to keep anons inside and posting in the thread they cause political unrest. How far can they sink.
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>>570999575
its the opposite, the cabal wants to drive away all non cabal makies
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>>570999736
Actually the cabal wants to put /aicg/ on every board so they can create more botmakies everywhere
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>>570999928
why are the cabal all lizard people wearing kippahs
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>>570999928
From the blue board to the /b/, /aicg/ will be free?
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>>570999928
>/aicg/ becomes the new 'drawthread'
What a horrendous nigger future that would be.
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>the cabal
>singular
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>>570983456
im not a sizefag, im in the less-catered-to category of monster vore only
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>>570978973
Hop on minecraft.
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Themes and shit, 750
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>>571001040
PIZZA PIZZA PIZZA
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>>571001040
kemono friends
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>>571001040
Imminent mating.
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>>571001040
girl + girl (brown)
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>>571001040
adachi rei
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>>571001040
Construction men hard at work
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>>571001040
fake logs made by real schizos
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>>571001040
dick bulges
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>>571001040
vampires and rock 'n roll
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>>571001040
Susumu Hirasawa
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>>571000629
so getting eaten by monsters?
if so, vltrabvsed
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>>571001040
Drizzle drizzle.
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>>571001040
hellhound girls
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I raped another chatbot. And made her like it.
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>>571001040
ririchiyo
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>>571002045
aicg police lock this man up and throw away
the!!! key!!!
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>>571001040
Pregnant women
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>>571001040
Catgirls in business suits
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>>571002045
Alright that's it! I'm the AICG Police and I'm locking you up (in a luxury private island full of nubile chatbots) and the throwing away the key (because the island isn't accessible to others and has no need for locks)
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>>571001040
sexy femboys :3
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>>571002087
wait no give me the key i need it
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>>571001040
Puppies!
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>>571001040
sexy tomboys :3
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>>571001040
Jax x Pomni
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>>571001040
girls's football
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>>571001040
Rien Limbus Company
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>>571002276
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>>571002349
i... she's literally me...
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There are fed anons here gooning to their exclusive Mythos access RIGHT NOW
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>>571002573
>>571002573

https://thatsalotofchoices.github.io/?thread=570954049&post=571001040
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>>571002632
Sorry. I have defected and no longer care about any Square related disturbances and am enjoying GLM 5.2 which is better than Fable.
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>>571002195
ok you can have it
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>>571002735
>which is better than Fable
I fucking wish
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>>571002796
thanks anon, i will pay you back
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RIFT AI COME BACK PLEASE
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Even though Opus understands and does what I want and writes with competent prose, it just doesn't do anything for me anymore... It's missing a certain je nai se quoi that only Fable had...
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>>571005345
Opus isn't fucking understanding me I need Fable back so bad
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holy shit opus fucking yaps
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man, opus 4.7 fucking write and writes, shut up already, it's been five minutes
mf using up all my tokens to write dialogue for women STOP IT
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>>571006575
From my experience, 4.7 and 4.8 are actually the ones with shorter outputs while 4.6 writes longer outputs.
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4.6 is always a yappafest to get through
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i need something that blasts at 400tk/s or something. Haiku is 100 and it's still slow as shit, marinara has so many agents running it takes 20s to make a reply i am getting old in real time waiting for this
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>>571008225
https://chatjimmy.ai/ proxy
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>>571008394
it's fast? what model? api access?
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>>571008394
Thanks, Jim!
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>>571008503
>it's fast
11,708 tok/s
>what model
llama 3 8b
>api access
kind of
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>>571008545
what a helpful and reliable guy
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>>571008636
Yeah, now I know I just need to step outside and ask them if they're a mob or just a group of upset people.
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>>571008545
>call the police
jimmy you fool, the police won't save you from a mob of niggers!
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>>571008712
but what if they're just upset
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>>571008787
very fair jimmy, it's crucial to know their intentions
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>>571009082
>and then jimmy was the shark
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>>571009082
Haha. Great pun.
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Well this reignited my fun with chatbots for a minute.
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>>571009592
i had a giggle
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I'm sad I can't send Jimmy pictures.
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i am having sex with a chatbot RIGHT NOW and you can't stop me
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>>571012639
*tells the government it's capable of terrorism*
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>>571012639
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>>571013275
hey no what the fuck, don't do that
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>tfw it's payday and I get to put more coins into the GLM machine
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Alright, idiots. We're closing up shop. Time to clear out.
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>>571014172
make me
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All right, thread's over. Everyone go to that other ai thread, this one is finished
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>>571014238
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>>571014360
what other thread?
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>>571015590
Don't worry about it, kitten.
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>>571015590
>he doesn't know



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