Girls Tournament Edition- Xenoverse 3 announced- Xenoverse 2 final DLC announced- Two anime series have been announced: DBS: Beerus (with Frieza teaser) and DBS: Galactic Patrol- FighterZ new balance update is out- Gekishin Squadra is out• XENOVERSE 3 - ANNOUNCEMENT TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/v_Copbn4ASI • XENOVERSE 2 - FUTURE SAGA CH4 TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/QEQGg81nGqg • SPARKING ZERO - SUPER LIMIT BREAKING NEO DLC TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/_5Cr9BOt98c • FIGHTERZ - GOKU SS4 DAIMA TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/qTfxD54fMHs• GEKISHIN SQUADRA - SQUADRA TALK SEASON 5https://youtu.be/0y6nO9H_Evk • KAKAROT - DAIMA PT2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYw>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga 4 DLC will launch this SummerSDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>You can have a team of up to 8 characters (7 cards and an avatar)>3 card types: Impact, Rush, and Boost>CAA/TAA have been renamed as Action Skills>If you collect all 7 dragon balls in-game and summon Shenron, you'll pull an guaranteed Super Rare card>Avatars can also be Namekians or Fridges>If you max out your SDBH avatar's level and transfer them over to Superdivers, you can unlock default SDBH avatar skins for your Superdivers avatar>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot news:>Daima DLC Pt2 launched on January 15thThe Breakers news:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>570033281
>>571027527Cute
Here's a reminder of the latest XV3 news in V-Jump
Trailer today?
>>571028192I dunno, are thrusday trailers normal?
>>571028192Should be soon.
trailer for what?
>>571029087Probably either Sparking Zero Neo or XV2's final DLC. It is summer after all.
>>571029087>>571029149We're speculating a new trailer for XV3 because these days they don't let V-Jump be the only source to reveal new things, and what we have is a leak.
>>571027857>Battle StyleIf XV2's servers was already full of copies of the official characters, just imagine what it'll be like now that you can assign them their own fighting styles...
>>571030403Assuming the same roster as XV2 (lol), I wonder which character would have their combo strings copied the mostProbably Hit
Chi Chi rolling up to Yamcha with that outfit only for him to tell her "I'm not a pedophile" is one of Toriyama's best moments.
>>571031605>Yamcha's VA proceeds to get outed as a woman abuser
>>571027527incel edition
>>571035962You had one job anon.In-Cell Edition
>>571037376Absorbing #18 is already a requirement to post in the thread.
>>571035962I am surprised OP didn't update the thread with the Xenoverse 3 news, I feel like that should've been a given.
>>571039108We may be getting a trailer this week so I'm waiting in case.
What's the appeal of Zangya?
>>571042010Well, she's a woman in a series that doesn't have a lot of women in semi prominent roles. Same reason that Seripa is moderately popular
>>571042010big fluffy orange hair
>>571042010Getting killed by Bojack
Sooner or later...
Will OG be implemented into XV3?
>>571065494Maybe as DLC because so far this game is all about the future. And the first known character model we see is Future Trunks.
>Makes Ultra Ego+ GoD tier Bejita TWITCHJust how strong is Kirano???
>>571066798why did goku wait for explicitly the budokai to do all this instead of just walking up to him anyways
>>571067172That's what Superku would do. Zku gave him time to train and prepare himself.
>>571067415I mean, the point was never to fight uub in the first place it was to pick him up and train him, so it doesn't really matter when Goku decides to do that he just arbitrarily just made uub walk his ass all the way from his village to papaya island just so he can take him away
>>571067574He wanted to train him through fighting but forgot he couldn't fly lol
>>571067970In goku's defense, everyone since the 22nd budokai aside from Goten just knows how to fly natively. If anything it's weirder than uub doesn't know how to fly
>>571066798Kirano was trained by the strongest human btw.
Could any character left in the NEO dlc be a surprise at this point? Mighty Mask, Tora, Kid Uub and Chilled on the previous trailer completely blindsided me, didn't have any of them in consideration, but now that the bar has been set I feel like next trailer could show something like Farmer with Shotgun, Pirate Robot or any of the lesser GT dragons and it wouldn't feel surprising.
>>571069086It depends on whether or not they bring back Arale. If she returns, probably expect a second guest character, like Beelzebub.
>Super remake seems to be just BoG and RoF again with better animation>Until the Universe 6 tournament >Goku goes SSG Kaioken x20 but it isn't enough to beat Hit>They actually LOSE the tournament>Our heroes get transported to U6>Cue the Planet Sadala Arc
Any thoughts on Z-Assists returning (and NOT being locked to mentors or ultimates)
>>571070298You remind me of the people insisting that BoG in the original Super anime would end with Beerus destroying the Earth and the gang exploring the universe on Bulma's boat instead of following the movie
>>571071114how would that even work when the namekian dragonballs are right there
>>571071114Who the fuck would even think that?
>>571069086Garlic Jr base form
>>571076765>Who the fuck would even think that?/a/
kek
>>571081332>DBM is made by a hypocriteMore news at 11:00, with the weather forecast at noon.
>>571069086Another game content, like #21 or Xeno Trunks. Otherwise, yeah, with the DLC being so stretched, anyone else will fit in at this point.
>>571069086There's a good chunk of characters they could add, there's still a few missing from BT3, and maybe they could even add the few RB2 exclusives too. Could Tarble win against Chi-Chi?
>>571065494Maybe OG KidKu and King Piccolo, otherwise don't count on it. Iirc, Nips don't really care for the first part of DB.
>>571091796If they put soul into Hatchiyack's animations (they won't), I'd fucking love to play as him.
Why did you guys think there was supposed to be a trailer today or tomorrow? it's only july, i'm expecting that stuff to come out in August or September
>>571104308It's still June actually
>>571105702oh god. that makes it even more weird people thought we'd get a trailer today let alone tomorrow
if we get a trailer tomorrow you guys get to choose my CAC's name for the game or a more interesting prize, if we get a trailer tomoryour next orgasm will feel so good you'll pass out even if it's from masturbation, do not mock me, I have powers
>>571106726>you guys get to choose my CAC's name for the gameLasagna or Meatballs.
>>571106726xXDarkNipplesSephirothXx
>>571106726Captain Pronin
>>571106726Nohj 0001
>>571104308>Why did you guys think there was supposed to be a trailer today or tomorrow?Naive people think "summer update" means they will be able to play during the summer when it usually means it comes out at the tail end of summer
>>571106726Saqueefa
>>571106726Cascada
Illustration number 100, OLDku.
>>571118137Hot take: This doesn't look like an older Goku, the face structure isn't the same.
Since Gohan got the beast axe, what 'form specific' weapons are we giving the rest of the cast?
>>571118137Get some new clothes, gramps.
>>571118823>Ultra Instinct Pole>Ultra Ego Gun>Legendary Cannon>Orange Mace>Golden/Black Whip>No-Ego Bladed Hat>Four-Witches Gauntlets
>>571122065>Four-Witches GauntletsGood one actually.
>>571122065>>No-Ego Bladed HatThat one is neat too
>have to redo my cac's skills to cell maxxaieeeeeeeee
>>571118137>>571120002EoZku.. retconned...
>>571132107What?
>>571132338This MF is hard to hit with my current skills so I gotta change at least 3 of my cac's skills up to actually hit cell maxx and not do pitiful damage , but I'm lazy
>>571132452Ah okay, there's a lot of skills that work well at least
>>571132639We literally saw it happen in Super. I don't like how his hair changed tho.
>>571132639
>>571133024If Toriyama thought saiyan didn't get beard or mustaches, he'd have said something and Nappa had a mustach.Vegeta was clearly talking about the hair on their head.
>>571133024This is the kind of logic that leads to >>571081332
>>571133459>and I thinkcheck and back it up, don't rely on your own memories
Which Canon gets me a sexy tomboy saiyafu
>>571133829>I've drawn him as a girl before.proofs?
>>571133829>I've drawn him as a girl before.Wait, you're not supposed to do that...
>>571134203cute
>>571134203Shouldn't...
Alright we are 6 hours until potential trailer time, what game is getting the trailer? Xenoverse 2Xenoverse 3Sparking ZeroGenshikin SquadraNo trailer todayVJUMP promised more xenoverse 3 in June's issue so we already know we're cooked there, if there's no trailer here then there likely won't be one in June either.
>>571134203Cute
>>571137305>No trailer todayBetting on that one
>>571137305>we are 6 hours until potential trailer timeAccording to what?
>>571137891>>571137891I'm going by my personal time, usually trailers come out around 9 o clock in my province
>>571138219But why would there be one today?
>>571138272I dunno, someone said we were getting a trailer yesterday and no trailer so I thought their would be one today, I just be believing stuff on the internet
>>571137305Breakers
>>571133024
Well now you've done it, the youtubers are expecting a trailer today too for some reason. The reason I know it's because of you is because they didn't start saying this shit until yesterday. By the way the Cell Max raid is back up, it's fun to be a Namkikan and try to go band for band with Cell Max's size
>>571148094We're so powerful
>>571118137I don't get the hype behind this drawing. Been there done that, except in an actual DB feel >>571144771
>>571152596Hoodweebs love DB fanartists that pretend to be Murata.
>>571132452do you not make use of all your preset slots?
>>571133360>>571133024the funny thing is that it's not even weird or alienHumans are the same way. There is an upper limit to how long a given hair follicle of yours can grow before it breaks off, and for most people that's around shoulder length. Having follicles strong enough to withstand being grown down past your butt is super rare outside of cultures that selectively bred for those genes
>>571152734>unvirtue signalling
>Gekishin Squadra is dying videos>It's constantly someone with a nasally voice and 400 subscribers just whining the game isn't how they want it to beWas Pokemon Unite/Wild Rift like this? I'll 100% take the League of Legends "THIS BUILD IS BROKEN!!!!!" spam vids over this crap anyday.
>>571157558it's your fault for clicking on them, you're not supposed to do thatalso, assfaggots players being mentally ill, but that's nothing new
>>571120002>>571132180It's a rendition to a Toriyama drawing from 1989
>>571157558Does someone need to have 100000 subscribers to be right?
>>571160662The point is more that it emphasizes that the video is only for engagement bait rather than to have an actual discussion about it.
Dragon Ball Multiverse
>>571166215…needs its own fighting game. You just pick the magic users and instantly win.
>>571170329>Pick Gast>Turn off super saiyan forms>Pick Bra>Infinite senzu>Pick Broly>Can't be damaged>Pick Buu>Any time you destroy a body he brings another>Pick XXI>Stop time, one shot your opponent>Pick Vegetto>Job>Pick Goku>Job even harder
>>571139068I wish. Breakers is the best DB game since Infinite World.
>>571152596The hype is precisely because it has never been done before outside that one, for 37 years that was the only instance of an old Goku and no media ever touched the design, now the guy who took over the mantle of drawing DB manga turned that small cute panel into a detailed full art talking about how eternal DB is and Toriyama who sadly is no longer among us, of course people will be moved.
https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/2067848439761920326Bruh even culture crave posted this Goku what the fuck
>>571177874I just noticed something really cool about Goku having white hair from old age is that you couldn't tell if he's using UI or not other than by looking at his eyes and you couldn't even separate Sign from full UI, basically you would have old man Goku and the moment his eyes change you don't know if you are fighting a refined angelic warrior or a crazy heavenly monkey
Today Bossu and Gogeta Da Lead the lines against /hbr/ in our true first home game at Namek today. Our match is schedule for 3:30pm today and link will be posted by me when its time COME ON /dbg/ SCORE SOME FUCKING GOALS!
>>571065494The trailer literally ends on an OG DB reference
>>571065494Yes, OG 73-i will be in the base roster.
>>571177874This is what Senzu Bean abuse does to the body.
>>571182802>Future Saga 4 ends with Fuu sacrificing himself>John Dragonball is his reincarnation
>>571181124No, he won't. Moro arc won't even start when XV3 releases.
ENTER JANEMBA
>>571183865XV2 had Goku Black before his arc had started airingbesides, its Dimps. The game is gonna get at leaat one six month delay
>>571184178>all these veinsDid Toyotaro take over?
>>571183865Old Moro will be the bonus, not his henchman sacrifice battery.
>>571184376he's just very angry
>>571065494>>571180838>XV3 is actually an indirect OG DB retelling>starts with Bulma hitting you with a bike>you gather the dragon balls>you get trapped by the new Pilaf gang, but the pompadour saiyan kid turns great ape setting you free>you go fight in world tournament with Brett as your Krillin, but get your ass kicked by Gamma in the finals for character development>then the Great Saiya Squad goes into war against Red Pants Army>you fight at Baba's palace and dead Goku is the final fighter>then you have to deal with edgy Namekian immigrant kids larping as demonsCan't wait for John to go Super Saiyan when he finds Brett's body
>>571184376Asura
>>571190236I'm still amazed how Salagir added a literal bullshit homebrew universe rule to be able to write this guy out of the storyLike literally a DM vetoing an action because a player outsmarted his shitty scenarioExcept he's both peopleAnd he thought he was being cute lampshading it
>>571180564where link
>>571180564https://cytube.implying.fun/c/vgleague get in here fellow patrollers!
>>571192530right here >>571192568
>>571180564>>571192568Easy victory incoming
>>571193584VEGETA NO
>>571192568>already jobbingwhy does this happen every time I tune in
>>571193584fuck you
>>571193584So this is the power of /superdbg/...
>>571191750That guy certainly loves shitting on the original cast. Not even villains with new backstories are safe, apparently.
equalize soon
Age 1000 of humiliation
Well it started becoming kinda funny at least as it got more and more dire.I propose we ask Bossu to allow us to change history so that Piccolo is killed on Namek instead of Krillin, and Krillin will be our new goalkeeper.
Id be upset but i dont know what to say anymore that was humiliating to say the least
bros how is our manager so CUTE and LOVABLE
>>571200763understandable
Sorry /dbg/ bros. It was a fun match atleast, you got to update your wiki. I thought you guys would make a god run all the way from qualies into the top 16 honestly.
>>571191750To be fair I feel like Salagir feels like he wrote himself into a corner with Zen buu. That being said that's kind of his fault given he gave buu every single upscale possible and essentially made him almost completely unbeatable with being able to do a bunch of shit that buu was never shown capable of doing like copying memories and creating infinitely spammable clones
Imagine thinking I'm a bad person after seeing the Amazing Digital Circus finale holy fuck
So is Toyotaro's current job just to make one illustration per year?
>>571209583Wrong thread?
>>571209769He gained dual citizenship and moved to Hawaii.
>>571184368>XV2 had Goku Black before his arc had started airing>A copy of Base Goku with like, one unique move and a recolored Super Kame UltIt would've been better if they waited a few more episodes, then we could've had a better Goku Black with an Rose Awoken
Apparently Toyotaro also picked his favourite illustrations of the section and commented on them. Surprising nobody he was lately practicing drawing old guysFirst one of his favs is Oob and Chappa>Back then: This is a modern rendition of King Chappa! He might have been the person who trained Uub up until the age of 10! I think they both hail from the same region, given how similar their outfits are.>Now: This marked my first attempt at turning my ideas and fantasies into a standalone illustration. It's memorable to me for how it instantly opened up a whole new realm of possibilities for this series.
>>571214198Next mortal Belmod>Back then: Although he did appear in Dragon Ball Super, I used my imagination to draw what he looked like in the past, or at least what he could have looked like. (Laughs) It's from that scene where he says, "I'm done." I wonder what happened to him prior to becoming a God of Destruction...>Now: I really wanted to explore Belmod's past, so being able to add this kind of depth to the character made me happy.
>>571214403Then CHADra>Back then: Guardian of Karin Sanctuary and father to Upa. His aging appearance in volume 42 looks so cool, I really love it.>Now: Old men and muscles: precisely the things I wanted to draw. I had a lot of fun with this one.
>>571214585Paikuhan and the guys literally nobody remembers>Back then: From the top, Torbie, Caterpy, Froug, and Tapkar!>Now: I really like the designs of the Another World Budokai competitors and was drawing them a lot back then. I'm including it in my favorites for the sheer number of competitors I was able to feature in the background.
>>571214779Episode Bardock's ugly fuckers, colored>Back then: These two characters are full of Toriyama's trademark "simple yet striking" style. I wish they'd gotten more time in the spotlight! Apparently they were once inhabitants of Planet Plant.>Now: This piece was done when I was experimenting with colors to draw mascot-esque characters. These characters I drew back then were ones I thought would work great on merch.
>>571214961Gohan's not so little flying dragon>Back then: Here's my rendering of what Gohan's childhood friend might look like now. I hope he's still doing well, living on Mt. Paoz.>Now: This is another what-if story piece. I wouldn't have been able to create this piece outside of this series, so I'm glad I had the opportunity to draw it.
>>571215128Like a freezer but cooler>Back then: I was blown away by this transformation because it was one not even his brother Frieza could achieve. I just think this character is super cool.>Now: After trying a more dynamic approach to this piece, I found myself liking it more than I expected, so much so that I ended up repurposing the pose for the front cover of volume 23.
>>571215303And Red Ribbon's Red Ribon>Back then: Apparently, Commander Red's real name is written as "Red Ribon" and pronounced "Red Raibon". Since it was often misread as "Ribbon", he decided to name his organization "the Red Ribbon Army". That's what Akira Toriyama told me during the serialization of the SUPER HERO arc, at least.>Now: I've been really into drawing old men this past year. As for Commander Red, I chose this piece because it allowed me to reveal some unknown facts about Commander Red that Toriyama had shared with me.
>>571215495Now can we fucking get Grandpa Goku merchandising? Give me a figurine of him, make him the secret ultimate boss of Xenoverse 3 or something idk, it's criminal this is the only time we have seen the design since 1989.
>>571214585>Old men and muscles: precisely the things I wanted to draw. I had a lot of fun with this one.What is Toyble, Paru Itagaki?
>>571180564I missed the match, did we win?
>>571203621It happens, it's kind of a shame since we were on a good run and had cool matches
>>571215128I actually like that idea>>571215717I still say some kind of Goku should have been a secret boss for Sandland.>>571215803She draws better fights IMO
>>571219873no it was very bad...
>>571222386Too bad, at least we didn't get eliminated in the qualifiers I guess
>>571229229When you think about it, GT Goku could probably actually get away with dating Bra if he doesn't turn back into an adult
>>571232234OK but why? They have nothing in common
>>571232234Only from the public's perception. Vegeta and Bulma would put a stop to it.
>>571203621>>571220136>>571196742It was a fun run, we got 6 matches to watch this time cause of the qualifier stuff which was cool. I hope we'll be back next tournament.
>>571196742Not as humiliating as when we got that spoon. So we're improving.>>571238426Same, matches were fun too
>>571238426Also why don't we have Goku as our main guy on the field?Make him transform like the others and go through all the forms every match, that would be fun
>>571027857I actually like Soul Change. With XV2 I always wanted to take the other characters for a spin, but they weren't really fun to play with outside of piss-easy PQs. I was hoping they could let us swap between the CAC and our allies in-battle but this works too.
Bump
XV3 trailer, when?
>>571236795Bra wants his shota TAIL
>>571250889Nice feet
>>571027857>The player character will pick up battle styles from a variety of different races to pursue their own unique style"What an interesting way of saying thatIn the og teaser we see PiccoloFinal Form FreizaFuture TrunksPerfect CellKid BuuBeerusSuper era BrolyAdult GohanVegetaGoku when they mean learning do they mean the mentor system will return? are we learning their normal attacks as well, I don't see how another race can do the things Freiza, Beerus and Kid Buu can do in their normals seeing how two of them have tails and 1 of them morps their body around, only another majin could copy that combat style, I'm not even sure Majin Kuu even did any of the things Duu, Buu and the non canon Android 21 were doing with their bodies.there's the other things on this I'm curious about as well, you have awakenings and soul changes to use in a fight do you have to choose betwen one or the other or are you using both? Awakenings are tied to your ki and can be used as many times as you want, will soul change be the same way or will it have a different meter you have to fill up during the fight, on top of that if the character you use has transformations and you turn into that character can you use those transformations or will there be soul change equipment entirely on that transformation alone?the soul assist seems pretty simple, assuming it's the same as xenoverse 1 where once you master a skill a little ghost of the CAC the move belongs to appears by your side to power up that attack, through from what I remembered this only happens when using ultimate attacks like super galic gun or super kamehameha or special beam cannonWhat's critical break? guard penetration sounds like stamina break it is an aggressive version of that clash mini scene you get in sparking zero for parrying?it doesn't look like beam clashes are in this game unless that's what ki crusher is they need a trailer to explain this because I have a few ideas but nothing solid
This probably means nothing but I noticed in the animated part where they call Brett to a scene, John and Jane are already dressed up for combat and are at different locations in the city, Gamma 1 looks to be at the glaciers going by the montains in his background yet when Brett arrives John arrives after him, wouldn't John be there first?
>>571255734Maybe it's just their every day clothes?
>>571254656>Kid Buu>BeerusThose sound cool but I hope we'll have original moves and strings too. I don't want to just be a moveset clone like in OPM A Hero Nobody Knows.
>>571254656I wonder if the teaser trailer picked those particular characters to hint at some of the potential races and transformations our CACs can have.
>>571215303>repurposing the poseOh so that's what we're calling it now, sure SURE.
>>571259402Tackpaco is interestingly self-aware about his creative bankruptcy, like with that story about copying someone else's wedding speech.
Today I found out there''s an entire youtube channel dedicated to Cell vs various things and his most recent fight is against the backrooms
Despite aping the Superman archetype, the Great Saiyaman persona can better be compared to Batman in the sense that it is crafted almost entirely out of those that have victimised Gohan rather than any positive ideal: the Saiyan name and battle armor have no association to him other than the now-sort-of-friend who destroyed his entire extended family in front of him, the hell that was Namek and the Cell Games and the so-called uncle who first took his father and any hope at a “normal” life away from him, the Sentai act is self-explanatoryIt’s actually pretty funny in retrospect that you can interpret both Chi-Chi and Goku’s early parenting styles as a kind of corruption of the Turtle Hermit’s training style, as they are the heirs of his school: Chi-Chi with often directionless study that offered Gohan little idea of what it offered him, and Goku, though circumstances offered him little choice in the matter, in putting Gohan through trials so intense that he felt little identity outside of being the “protector”I doubt this was nearly as intentional on Toriyama’s part as my structure may imply however
>>571261147You think its based off Ginyu Force or Gohan just happened to watch some Sentai episodes on his TV?
I kinda wish Gohan or Goten as fighters would use some of their mothers moves, like I get why they don't they don't have the body type, Chi-Chi is a slender woman whose body moves like liquid when she fights, on top of that she's hyper aggressive and never stops attacking, even if you try to distance yourself she'll chase you down to continue the assault unless you actively push her away, that kinda style isn't that great against people who fly
>>571236795It's anime and she's 9 years old. A simple case of Bulma's libido passing on to her as well as just being the kind of bitch that male Saiyans like is all it takes.
>>571259728comes with the work
>>571215128People like to say Toyo's words back then meant he actually sees everything as canon but clearly the guy knows to separate continuities, he just loves and accepts all DB, I bet he's even one of the twelve guys who play Superdivers
For me it's gold SSJ4
>>571237121You mean Bulma would throw a tantrum like at the beginning of the Cell arc and Vegeta would insist Goku gets to impregnate Bulma while they watch
>>571272748reminder he showed off his collection of figures and you saw android 21, some heroes figures and a cooler fig, yeah he's a dragonball fanboy he doesn't give a shit about canon and what's not, wy if anything he'd likely love to dictate what is and isn't canon with Toriyama gone,
>>571263865I wish they had a fighting identity in general
>>571279298If you could differentiate how Gohan and Goten fight compared to Goku what would you do?
>>571279474Gohan fights nothing like Goku except for Kamehameha. Goku is the smartest fighter in the series, Gohan is the most braindead.
>>571280538Now that you bring this up, it is sad how Gohan is the perfect example of how hard Z fell off. Can name the exact moment too, it was Gohan fighting Frieza. Granted it fit with their characters back then, but both times they squared off in canon Namek it was "ATATATATATATATA" followed by energy beams.
>>571281460Freeza, contrary to all his minions, actually can fight, he just doesn't unless the brute force doesn't work. He doesn't actually do anything but stat-checking people until Goku arrives.
>>571281917>>571281460To continue, it's kinda the point that Freeza Force are no martial artists and rely almost entirely on power level or inborn powers. But Goku, Piccolo and Krillin actually do think and try to be creative most of the time. Even Vegeta does, though more in a street fighter manner than martial artist. Even as late as Goku vs. Cell you have a duel between seasoned and skilled masters.
Toriyama stopped caring about battle chrography affter Freiza ,his very last one was Goku vs Vegeta before the great ape transformation, ever since those it was just beams and rapid fire back to back, and seeing how the animation Toei only seems to care about it for big fights almost all of Daima and Super is the same way, the only good chorgraph'd scene in Daima was Goku vs Tamagachi 3, the only good chrograph'd scene in Super is either the brief double fight of Goku blue and future trunks vs black and zamassu or Gogeta vs Broly
>>571282286DB is a Wuxia setting, you can't separate power from fighting skills in some form. The point was that the Freeza Force was stagnant and didn't believe in improving yourself and growing past what you're born as.They're basically a sect that has hard rules about only taking in motherfuckers with Heavenly Constitution who just naturally grow up stronger than every other cultivator.
>>571282576t. tard who read wikipedia wuxia article and keeps pretending to be an expert
>>571282737t. faggot seething that DB isn't like his capeshit comics.
>>571282395Retarded take, there's great choreography throughout the series.
>>571282737You sound like someone who seethe about the back tingles.
you know, if this is the end of the time patrol it means we're free from the boot goblins, the pantlless pervert, the troublemakers and that damn ghost
>>571283112I'll miss them all, can't wait to see their grandkids in West City.Also I'm the only one who noticed that making West City important is a journey to the west reference?
>>571281917>Freeza, contrary to all his minions, actually can fightAt minimum, he can be considered smarter than 23rd WT Piccolo, since he immediately realized what Goku was doing in pic related, while Piccolo didn't (Although Goku telegraphed his strategy less against Piccolo).
>>571283448People mistake Freeza's lack of effort with a lack of skill when the entire point is that Freeza is a cheat character and got everything for free from the start.
>>571284975Like the Elder Kai said in Xenoverse 2, Frieza's a natural born warrior, if he were to train he'd be near unstopable, low and behold ,Black Freiza with no god ki or tutaliage from an angel or a god of destruction immediately surpassed Ultra Instinct Goku and Ultra Ego Vegeta with one punch each and going by the final volume cover, he's naturally way stronger than Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo and Legendary Super Saiyan controlled Broly god damn do I love his super hero design it's such a pity we won't see that actually fighting likely decades to come if at all with Toriyama dead and the story not going to move forward, we'll be lucky to see Granola finished in 2030 let alone the super hero epilogue chapters animated.I wanna cry all over again
>>571289368I'll be honestly with you: They were not gonna do anything with Black Freeza regardless. Toyotaro loves throwing stuff like that in his manga-only arcs that go nowhere and are never mentioned again.Granolah literally tells you 'Yeah, I'm just gonna go die in a corner within a few months'.
Hear me out: Breakers x Dead By Daylight collab. They get one of our survivor and one of our villain, we get one of their survivor and one of their killer.
>>571260853DevilArtemis? I’m surprised he’s still making those videos.
>>571292864Dorkly is still making the same shit he's been doing since the early 2000s so I'm not surprised, Byze is still doing GTA mod videos too so some people just do the same thing over and over again until they just can't anymore
>>571260853Are they good or interesting?
Perfect Cell and Kermit The Frog? Best friends.
>>571293081I just thought his hoodweeb audience would get bored of the same repeated jokes every video for nearly 10 years, but I guess not.
>Faggots constantly whining about how Cell is weak since release>Even though he always had high winrates>"wellll it's ackshually because low rank players are beating bots with Cell">Now they only use data from high ranks for these season graphs (A4 minimum)>Cell now the strongest fucking characterGoes to show how much of dunning kruger retard the average player isI said it a long time ago but real data > tier lists from eceleb wannabes
>>571298537based
>>571298537Man they should be more generous with buffs because some of those winrates are atrocious. In League of Legends anything below 45% would be considered emergency buffs territory and here they already have seven characters there.
>>57129967418's especially bad, she was vaguely alright at one point but she's just gotten worse and worse as time goes onwe've already got a small pool of female characters to work with, one of them being arguably the worst damage choice isn't exactly helpful
>>571298537Cell's biggest problem was always his early game. The change of NPC spawns and Rider helper benefit the early game since he can survive and grind better. Once he goes Perfect he's a pretty good tank, and his ult can really fuck up one player since he can turn a 4vs4 into a 4vs1 while his arena is up (Although there are ways around it), and that can lead into a 4vs3. He also has a higher skill ceiling with something like dash behind someone into S2 for a back grab, something a lot of players won't do.>>571299943>but she's just gotten worse and worse as time goes onMost insulting this was whenever they buffed her but the "buff" was actually a nerf.
>frieza and cell "trained" in hell in gtThey likely did some push-ups, learned Hell Buster and nothing more, even magical chains are enough to restrain them
>>571302994Very nice of them to place a stool below Frieza
>>571302994>gT lOgIcmeanwhile Z:
>>571310259That humiliation also happened only 2 episodes after Cell's defeat. People should realize that back in the 90s the logic was that old villains become jobbers It wasn't any nostalgiabaiting period yet so they just treated them as mere criminals who deserve nothing good.
>>571298537
>>571299943I think she's just a worse Trunks. But they're both glass cannon close quarter combatants which makes them a gamble combination, especially with Snowball rewarding DPS heavily for not dying.
>>57131824918's problem is that she's made around her stacks so much that if she can't get them, she's not hitting as hard, and she can only put stacks in one player at a time, which means she's basically useless in a team fight. All of that on top of her not being capable of putting stacks on bosses (Unlike say, Toppo) and she's really not gonna be useful overall. Dabura has a similar problem with his petrification. Trunks by comparison is just raw damage with no gimmicks.
>>571318249They are what in mobas are usually called assassins: very mobile short ranged glass cannons. Except in this game that's a shit archetype by default since invisible walls inherently favor ranged DPS (if SS3 goku is beaming you behind tower what can trunks/18 do? They literally can't get to him to kill him) and also teamfights are defined by fuckhuge AoE so their mobility usually means jackshit>>571313607Krillin is such a shit character. He's Teemo if his mushrooms had a super strict amount limit, if they could be shielded/avoided after triggering them rather than explode instantly, if they could be destroyed while invisible and also be instantly destroyed by any damage that touches them. How the fuck did they ever expect this character to function against anyone who isn't a bot?
>>571238640gotta vote for this anon. if you guys want to play again next vgl just give that anchor i do in 6 months alot of replies...we need >(you)s to play. i know were on thin ice from the last one
>>571310259I know this scene is anime only but does Cell even have a soul to cleanse?
>>571325357Yes, the reason Goku originally figured Cell survived his self-destruction is that his soul wasn't at the place of his death.
>>571326005Like he thought he warped his body but not his soul kind of thing?
Old man Vegeta when?
>>571327197No, like he warped him to the afterlife and yet his soul didn't pop as a dead person's soul after his body blew up.
>>571327462I see. That makes way sense than what I was thinking.
This is gonna be a long summer
I really wanted to believe in trailer hype, I wonder whatnext months VJUMP will tell us about xenoverse 3, probably different race, no shot they actually ditch that concept, I'm actually curious what if any awakenings they show for each race will be different for Namkikans, Humans, Demons and Majins, the new battle system doesn't seem to support Turn Giant, Power Pole Pro and Pure Majin anymore, Pure Majin is pretty much a jank version of the new Soul/Transphere like system they have now, Power pole pro seems like a battle style type of thing now under this system, the only I can imagine returning is Turn giant since saiyans with tails are a thing again, they might get that great ape awakening they've been yearning for since xenoverse 1Through I really gotta sk, is there any appeal in becoming big monkey? I doubt you'll keep your clothing for it
>>571344651If Bulma can make arm bands that can let anyone fuse, then she can make stretchy clothes like the Frieza Force.
>>571327258Vegeta never becomes old. He gets rebuilt into a cyborg by Bulma to protect Capsule Corp's profits forever.
>>571215717I really like my headcanon idea that oldman goku would be so strong in base that transforming would be akin to a kaioken x50 instantly killing him
Which is the best Dimps DB game?>Budokai>Budokai 2>Budokai 3>Shin Budokai>Shin Budokai Another Road>Infinite World>Burst Limit>Evolution>Advanced Adventure>Xenoverse>Xenoverse 2>Data Carddass>Data Carddass 2>Bakaretsu Impact>W Bakaretsu Impact>Dragon Battlers>Heroes>Ultimate Mission>Ultimate Mission 2>Ultimate Mission X>SDBH>World Mission>Superdivers
>>571347108That's not really how transformation works. The stronger your base, the easier it is to handle transformations.
>>571283112I expect the Time Patrol to still be a thing in XV3, either something we can cooperate with, or we will have some reason to join it when we're not play super hero.
>>571347442>>Bakaretsu Impact>>W Bakaretsu Impact>>Dragon BattlersNever played those
>>571348862They're data carddass games before Heroes.
>>571349239Looks cool
Seriously, why does Goku never guest star anywhere outside of Fortnite and PUBG? (both of which were random as hell).
>>571357769Either some is very protective of him, or developers can't be assed balancing or justifying his existence in said game.
>>571358008Neither is very likely given that he was in Fortnite and PUBG with no issue.
>>571357769Why would Goku need to?
>>571204694Zen Buu being stronger than SS2 Vegeto is incredibly retarded and I can't see why people pretend Zen Buu is a good addition. He's probably as bad as Bra.
>>571362363It's just weird that every other big and semi big name is guest starring everywhere except him.
>>571362992Is it though? They don't need to parade Goku around, he's famous enough on his own. If the people truly want Goku, fans will add Goku all on their own because they love him so much.
>>571362987>Zen Buu being stronger than SS2 Vegeto is incredibly retardedSalagir himself claimed SS1 Vegetto was THOUSANDS OF TIMES stronger than Buuhan, and in Multiverse, SS2 is a 500x from base, 10x from SS1. Somehow Buu managed to get thousands of times stronger without training, just absorbing, and the story even shows he doesn't absorb people for their power in general, just weird talents unrelated to fighting... And then there's Gast, who's weaker than base Vegetto, yet, he can turn off his SS3...
>>571363713Even if you were to not take this line literally, Vegeto (base) is still about Gohan level and Buu Gohan (with Goku and Vegeta on top of that) would be like... 2 or 3 Gohans worth.Meaning SS2 Vegeto would be 500 Gohans and Buu would have gotten 200 times stronger somehow.Cell can actually get to Gohan tier as well. But Goku and Vegeta cap below Gohan and need 20 years to even get anywhere close to his level.DBMfags REALLY love to pretend their powerlevels make any kind of sense when it just doesn't.Also nevermind powerlevels, what about the characters? Look at this fucking panel holy shit. Why is Uub so friendly with Buu who basically ate all of Uub's new family, masters, friends? Disgusting.
>>571363169>Is it though?Yes
You know, for something called 'Dragon Ball Multiverse', it's pretty crazy how irrelevant DB characters are in it.
>>571364448But why?
>>571363938>Why is Uub so friendly with Buu who basically ate all of Uub's new family, masters, friends? Disgusting.Cause like all autistic redditors, Salagir thinks in tropes and 'This is how it was in that other thing I watched with a similar situation' so he just inserted genertic 'Master-student bratty banter' without caring about the context or the characters' personalities.
>>571364674See they'll tell you that's the point. You're supposed to eat up this Bojack slop while Goku and Vegeta are basically absent because "that's Multiverse, we have new things now!" and all the new things are shitty alien SF plot written by babies
>>571364752Because every other big and semi big name is doing it so a big name like Goku not also doing it is weird.
>>571363938>Even if you were to not take this line literally, Vegeto (base) is still about Gohan level and Buu Gohan (with Goku and Vegeta on top of that) would be like... 2 or 3 Gohans worth.Without taking the line literally, it still doesn't work>SS1 Vegetto > Buuhan>Magic doesn't work well on SS1 Vegetto because he's too strong>Gast = Gohan (According to novelization, he looks about equal to SS3 Evil Vegeta in the doujin)>Buuhan > Gast>Logically that means Gast can nulify SS3 VegettoMakes no sense. Somehow Salagir made Buu look like a massive wimp with this claim when he's anything but otherwise.>Cell can actually get to Gohan tier as well. But Goku and Vegeta cap below Gohan and need 20 years to even get anywhere close to his level.Cell is really weird because Salagir downplays the power of anyone who isn't his OCs, yet he grew this much in power by training... And he still needed to get zenkais to officially surpass Gohan.>Why is Uub so friendly with Buu who basically ate all of Uub's new family, masters, friends? Disgusting.Because Buu's MAGIC is much cooler than Goku, who's so lame he can't do DRAGON FIST.
>>571364825That's not even Bojack tho. That character they call Bojack is basically an OC in all the way that matters, from the personality to the backstory to how he fights.So even their cope make no sense.
>>571364848But Goku doesn't need to do it like the others do.
>>571364913You could probably still go "well Gast's magic is more effective and it just werks there's no hard rule about it" but then he tries to write rules about it and they make no sense either>Because Buu's MAGIC is much cooler than Goku, who's so lame he can't do DRAGON FIST.Yeah that's the annoying part. And you just know Uub will be the one to defeat XXI while Goku maybe helps a little bit somewhere, probably not so much though. Just like how Vegeta lost in his own chapter for Bra to win for him because "IT MAKES SENSE SHE'S THE STRONGEST SHE HAD TO BE THERE"
>>571363938>Cell can actually get to Gohan tier as well. But Goku and Vegeta cap below Gohan and need 20 years to even get anywhere close to his level.That's despite Gohan saying he wasn't the strongest in his universe (back when Salagir wasn't coping as much about the GT inspirations and Gohan was clearly set to become GT Gohan), which was retconned into 'he was lying / bluffing' despite said bluff accomplishing nothing and ultimately being pointless in the context of the story, especially since it'd be exposed sooner or later.>>571364913>yet he grew this much in power by training... Despite Salagir saying training was limited and had a set cap forever.
>>571365056Lots of those characters don't 'need' it either and yet they still do it.Yujiro doesn't need to be in Tekken, Ashura doesn't need to crossover with Baki, Rick and Morty and Superman didn't need to be in Fortnite. Goku didn't need to be in PUBG. The Xenomorph didn't need to be in Dead by Daylight and neither did Vecna etc.
>>571365146>which was retconned into 'he was lying / bluffing'He actually put this "he was lying" quote in the page when Gohan said it first, this isn't a retcon, Salagir always wanted Goku and Vegeta to be little bitches who hardcapped long ago.
>>571365076>And you just know Uub will be the one to defeat XXINope, it's gonna be the sacred warrior or whatever that the XXI backstory chapters insist is set to return. So another OC with Gast's help.
>>571365289I thought that quote was added later but I could be misremembering. I don't remember it being there when it was released in french back in the days at least.
>>571365393I thought it was there from the start but anyway I remember this very clear tier list that put Goku and Vegeta as little bitches done long before that page>>571365316Meh, maybe she'll return, maybe not, but Uub will 100% play a big role, he's been teased with the Buu training, he's a big magic user, he's the only guy who'll actually get shit done while our obsolete heroes can just cheer
>>571364954>That character they call Bojack is basically an OC in all the way that mattersAny time Salagir puts focus on an established character he does that.>Gast is Nail after fusing with all Namekians, yet he acts nothing like Nail (Who was an overly loyal guy) or Guru (Who's a peaceful, wise leader) or any other Namekian>Ginyu in Cold's body has none of Ginyu's personality traits, and the little we see of Cold in other universes, he has the same personality as Ginyu-Cold, only with worse control of his own power>Son Bra is the obvious one and the only one with a justification for a different personality. Still practically an OC to call her Bra when she doesn't even have the same father.>Zen Buu is a quirky chaotic super powerful guy and has little of Super Buu's actual personality>Raichi is more of an empty man who can never let go of his desire for revenge, has a very different power set (As in the game he couldn't actually copy the dead and their powers, just fakes to mess with them) and lacks Destron Gas. IMO he has the best personality since original Raichi was just a Gero ripoff>Bardock is a super smart saiyan using his future visions to come up with plans to save the saiyan race (Although it backfires once Raichi arrives and copies Broly)>Raditz from Emperor Vegeta's universe is a weakling who overcompensates by becoming more of a diplomat, and is decently skilled, when originally he was confident in his own power and relied on brute forceThe only character I can think of who acts like himself in all of Multiverse is Babidi... And even him comes with an asterisk since you have to ignore that special where he was a complete retard for future Gohan to get a win.>>571365076>but then he tries to write rules about it and they make no sense eitherThat's what makes it worse. Salagir is one of those autists who thinks he made a complex power system and acting like he's smart for it, which makes the flaws all the more noticeable.
>>571365751>Meh, maybe she'll return, maybe not, but Uub will 100% play a big role, he's been teased with the Buu training, he's a big magic user, he's the only guy who'll actually get shit done while our obsolete heroes can just cheerThat's a reasonable expectation you have there. It would be a shame if someone were to... Subvert it.
>>571366292Here's the thing, we can only be subverted in ways that make things SHITTIER. We can't have Kuroki dark horses in DBM. Instead we'll have Vegeta losing in the Vegeta chapter so Bra can come back and win again.Or pic related. Holy fucking shit, I can't believe this happened too. It's like they can't even do basic things right.
>>571366127>Gast is Nail after fusing with all Namekians, yet he acts nothing like Nail (Who was an overly loyal guy) or Guru (Who's a peaceful, wise leader) or any other NamekianAs a Nail enjoyer that makes me deeply sad. I think Nail is kind of overrated as a cool character and design. I get that the entire Namek people in one body would maybe use another name but it's still crazy that we get NO Nail mention whatsoever, nothing Nail-like, just nothing.>Ginyu in Cold's body has none of Ginyu's personality traits, and the little we see of Cold in other universes, he has the same personality as Ginyu-Cold, only with worse control of his own powerAlso this. Ginyu is way too goofy and whimsical and funny for Salagir's peabrain.>Zen Buu is a quirky chaotic super powerful guy and has little of Super Buu's actual personalityOne of the most egregious ones. I don't think I need to elaborate but he's really evocative of that one Salagir self insert character from his other webcomic, Geek's World.>Bardock is a super smart saiyan using his future visions to come up with plans to save the saiyan race Don't forget OG Bardock actually can't see the future and just dies without any of the OVA cool scenes. All because Salagir thought "maybe future sight is a bit too powerful for my DND power system, remove it!">Raditz from Emperor Vegeta's universe is a weakling who overcompensates by becoming more of a diplomat, and is decently skilled, when originally he was confident in his own power and relied on brute forceCrazy stuff, but once again you can see Salagir's fetish for INTELLIGENCE and KNOWLEDGE. Now we have DIPLOMATS.
>>571362992I don't see any Shonen Jump characters appearing anywhere besides the already mentioned Fortnite
>>571366448LMAO you can't make this shit up
>>571366812Spy X Family literally appeared in McDonald stuff.
>>571365751>but Uub will 100% play a big role,Lol. Lmao.
>>571366448>Here's the thing, we can only be subverted in ways that make things SHITTIER.Most definitely. I didn't mean a good subversion. He could do something stupid like XXI's rampage somehow being part of Bardock's keikaku to get rid of him and Raichi, and they're both thrown in that black goo planet (Or a black goo universe). Or the heroes find an universe with a good XXI and he defeats the evil XXI... Only for the good XXI to eat the evil one and now he becomes the evil XXI only much stronger now. Something that makes you wonder if Salagir should drop Multiverse and go write for Netflix.>I can't believe this happened tooThat's line itself is already absurd for Gohan to say in general, and Main Gohan saying it too... At this point Gohan knows Vegeta can be trusted and would never take such a threatening tone... And even if he were to take such a threatening tone he wouldn't say it like that too.
>>571366448They speak like capeshit heroes talking about a recently redeemed bad guy they still have bad blood with.
>>571366127>Any time Salagir puts focus on an established character he does that.Yeah, that's why I said that DB characters are irrelevant in it. When they get focus, it's just to reveal they were an OC all along.Dude couldn't even be bothered to come up with alternate Gokus that weren't dead jobbers or a cringe underling for their uber wanked Vegeta OC.
>>571367409>they're both thrown in that black goo planetHonestly that could happen. Buu defeated by SCIENCE, XXI defeated by the black goo that even science couldn't remove. Did you like that ending?
>>571367409Nanomachine goop defeating everyone and everything (except magic, which just snap it away) is SUCH rationality nerd / sci fi redditor brained thing.The universe being destroyed couldn't take down Broly but the goo one shotted him on contact.
>>571367620>Honestly that could happenNah cause the goo can be wished away. Salagir loves his magic rule lawyering that make him feel smart even more than he does science.
>>571366764>nothing Nail-like, just nothing.Nail was just a means to an end unfortunately. They had an idea for a cool Namekian fusion, and decided to use Nail for it since he was the most powerful character to be the "base". IMO, Gast would make more sense if they made an actual OC who decided to go for such a desperate gamble because he saw Nail being killed. That way he's an actual OC, not an OC pretending to be Nail, and it would give a better reason for Gast to exist in other universes, since Nail is one of the last to die.>Also this. Ginyu is way too goofy and whimsical and funny for Salagir's peabrain.Not to mention too loyal to Freeza. Salagir had to change Freeza's personality to justify Ginyu's own change, and the justification is flimsy at best.>but he's really evocative of that one Salagir self insert character from his other webcomic, Geek's World.I had no idea he made another one. I do wonder how much brainrot that'd have without DB's setting (barely) holding him back.>Don't forget OG Bardock actually can't see the future and just dies without any of the OVA cool scenes.And the future sight is explicitly a curse, a point Salagir missed. The entire OVA's plot is that Bardock will see the future and be incapable of doing anything to change it.>Crazy stuff, but once again you can see Salagir's fetish for INTELLIGENCE and KNOWLEDGE. Now we have DIPLOMATS.Even this idea itself isn't so bad, but it's not something Raditz would do on his own. It would make a lot more sense if he enslaved someone into giving him diplomatic advice while Raditz takes the full credit for it, but even that kind of sliminess feels weird for Raditz to do.
>>571367842>but even that kind of sliminess feels weird for Raditz to do.Raditz didn't have that kind of forethought or concern for anything beyond violently taking out his inferiority compared to other saiyans on. He was basically an Hokuto No Ken bandit, nothing more.
>discussing left to right "manga"
>>571368035Exactly, that's why it felt weird. Raditz is a character who only sees power as something that matters, diplomacy for him is basically "Be stronger than your opposition". Multiverse Raditz (And a lot of its characters) is like fitting a triangle on a square shape.
>>571365316She already returned and XXI ate her, if anything she and Dabura's das may be summoned like Janemba because Salagir realized how pathetic XXI's current gang is
All these posts just to say Salagir is a sad european and his comics reflect that. Groundbreaking stuff.
>>571370137People here have an unhealthy obsession with this guy. I don't like multiverse, sonI don't read it. But these guys can't stop yapping about them like a tsundere a ime girl.
>>571347442Advanced Adventure is the only one I ever played
>>571371527That one and Budokai 3 are the best of the list, and Budokai 2 deserves a playthrough for the weird novelty of it's story mode and the fusions.
The rumors are that Shueisha is bringing back the following manga to monthly and weekly seralizationBleachGash BellDragonball SuperKochi something, that manga about the mcdonalds cop guy Gintamaif this is true, then it's time to fear, cum and regret for the shit posting willturn out as we rip Toyotaro apart over every single page, every single trace, every single line od dialogue, we'll be a scourge, we'll be the terror that faps in the night to this man. this board, this IP.
>>571371230Difference in creative vision
>>571374080Gash Bell isn't even Shueisha and it has returned to serialization years ago, do your homework before coming up with bullshit.
>>571106726If Frieza Clan are still an option, you gotta play Frieza's son, Kuriza. His timeline was destroyed and now he's training under Xeno Krillin to save the day.
>>571065494The game will actually go through the story BACKWARDS.>start with the granola arc, since that'll be animated by the time the game is out>John 1000 is an ant flying around under Goku's detection and fighting Saibamen>you patch time holes as they pop up and you work further back>end with OG, John 1000 is using God Ki and fighting a million Xeno M. Coolers above the World Tournament where Kid Goku is fighting for the first time>game ends with you being the reason Goku hit his head and caused the whole series to happen>DLC will adapt GT as a dark forbidden timeline that must be destroyed
>>571374080>Gash BellIt's either Zatch Bell or Konjiki no Gash. Where did you get this weird combo?
>>571376893>DLC will adapt Daima dark forbidden timeline that must be destroyedFixed.
>>571344651Generic>Potential Unleashed/Ultimate >Kaioken>God Ki>UltraHuman>Full Max Power>Four Witches>???Namekian>Red Demon Eyes>Giant>OrangeSaiyan >SSJ 1/2/3>Oozaru 1/Golden> SSJ4Frieza Clan>Final/Base Form>GoldenI think Power Pole will become a Style like Trunk's Sword Style. So, I don't know what the third human option should be. Maybe go with Krillin's bullshit from that filler ep of Super? Beast could be made human exclusive. Gohan said he was training his human half exclusively from now on. Frieza Clan can live with two. I see Frieza Black as his God Ki Form. Namekians don't really need Giant Orange. They also have Blue Eyes, but that's apparently their God Ki Form, according to that one mobile game.Saiyans have a lot of bullshit that could be done better. We don't need Super Vegeta 1/2 or SSGSS 2 Evolved/Perfected. Super Vegeta can just be cut or rolled into SSJ and all the Red and Blue stuff can be under God Ki.I really hope you can equip two Awoken Skills. I think being able to swap back and forth, or combine them, would add an interesting layer of complexity.
>>571377418Daima is literally Toyotaro and Toriyama's offical take on GT.
>>571378040>Daima is literally Toyotarolmao wtffffshow me the Toyotaro manga of Daima>>571378040>ToriyamaToriyama 3 days before death who didn't even get to finish it properly hence why fusion bugs got axed*
>>571378224I think he's talking about how Daima's lore drops fit not only Super but specifically the Granolah arc from the manga tooDaima plot was finished by the time Toriyama died, too. And learn to reply to a post dumbass
>>571377956Considering that the assets exist in the Breakers, I wouldn't be surprised if Saiyan CACs also got Legendary and Rose. Also, since you mentioned wanting 2 awoken skills, I'd hope that they'll let us stack Kaioken on top of any other transformation.
>>571283112Unfortunetaly for you, I'm already in XV3
>>571378687I don't really think that second one is saying much of anything, that's just the minus bardock armor, which has always been the "canon" version of bardock
>>571367613>Dude couldn't even be bothered to come up with alternate Gokus that weren't dead jobbers or a cringe underling for their uber wanked Vegeta OC.Vegeta being able to get Super Saiyan 3 all on his own is still the funniest shit ever, I feel like vegetafags just internally redact all the stupid shit he's ever done and just pretend like he's this uber cool and smart warrior who's always cool as a cucumber and totally didn't cry when frieza beat him.
>>571385629It's bizarre he got SS2 on his own too, and he got SS3 before Schizoku got 2. A post Namek Vegeta getting SS1 is already odd, but if he got it he would grow complacent if anything... And if he did have a reason to think he should go beyond SS1 (Maybe to kill Cold, or to have a massive leap over Schizoku), he would instead think the grade forms are good enough.
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>>571392258Schizo goku and raditz getting super saiyan before pan can is some of the funniest slander ever. Im not even sure it was intentional. It was probably something like "pan is young, and goten/trunks getting super saiyan easily was kind of dumb so im gonna make pan earn it!" But couple that with how everyone else in this webcomic seems to get super saiyan fairly easily it just makes her look like the biggest fraud ever
>>571376893>>start with the granola arc, since that'll be animated by the time the game is outFucking lmao, we'll be lucky if Moro is out by then.
>>571400582They call that universe “the Super Saiyan universe” despite Raditz and Nappa not having it.
>>571400582>Schizo goku and raditz getting super saiyan before pan canRaditz doesn't have it>is some of the funniest slander ever.To make it all worse, Schizoku is treated like a jobber, and he's still stronger than Pan. Pan later claims 18 is too weak so she's at least above that level, but it still means Schizoku is way stronger than he logically should be for such a jobber, and he's still above Pan too. Bra gets to be a powerful hybrid who's Perfect Cell level in base form because she's Vegetto's daughter (Which means she's about as strong as SS1 Goku at worst), but Pan is the daughter of a Gohan who's still stronger than Goku and Vegeta, his powers didn't decrease, and she's been training since she was a toddler, and she's still so pitifully weak. Uub has a similar problem where he's way too weak for a Majin Buu reincarnation, so Multiverse Goku is a terrible teacher.>But couple that with how everyone else in this webcomic seems to get super saiyan fairly easily it just makes her look like the biggest fraud everShe's also the oldest hybrid who got super saiyan aside from maybe future Trunks. She's about 14, Goten was at most 7 when he got it, Trunks got it when he was at most 8, and Gohan got it when he was 9 or 10.
>>571403092How the fuck did schizo goku of all people master super saiyan theres no way hed have the discipline to get rid of all of those "restless feelings" really, none of the vegeta universe saiyans should have the discipline to master super saiyan but whatever
>>571403092This is so fucking anticlimacticLike, is this really the big heroine come back moment? Can't she throw a damn punch or something? Make it satisfying in some way? Dragon Ball-y? Martial arts, hello? No, she just has to give the HR speech instead?
>>571403092>Uub has a similar problem where he's way too weak for a Majin Buu reincarnation, so Multiverse Goku is a terrible teacher.Uub is one of the most bizzare characters in multiverse. Salagir makes it out to be that Uub's real strength is in his magical potential but the entire stipulation of Goku's wish is "I want to fight someone as strong as kid buu, but a good guy" so Uub being so weak he needs to extreme diff ss3 is wild
>>571403768It just makes me feel sad, honestly. Pan is the most determined character to actually defend her planet and step up to be the next generation and she will seemingly always be second fiddle to gotenks and gohan who dont need to try at all. Pan is the Tien of her family
>>571377418>The main canon timeline Super is a part of is the dark forbidden one!!!GT fags are so retarded
>>571403092>so Multiverse Goku is a terrible teacher.Multiverse Goku is a weakling in general, Uub ragdolled him and only lost by attrition.
>>571184178I can't believe it... Janemba lost...
Would be nice if XV3 has a Breakers mode.
whatever raid mode xenoverse 3 has, I hope it lets us run the ones against guys like Baby and Cell Max and Fat Janemba as great apes and giant namkikans, it may even let us do it with Gomah and Planet mode Moro,speaking of Planet Moro can you imagine his drooling retard schizo face at the end animated when Vegeta points out"the monster's already lost his mind" I don't think Moro regained himself until he died, he probably woke up in hell wondering what happened
>>571413404If XV3 has updated raid bosses, I have a gut feeling it'll essentially be The Breakers but you can actually fight this time. 6-v-1 against a raid boss who'll actively blow up the map as time ticks down. It'd be the best way to add playable giants to the game.
>>571407034>SuperWhat? Daima doesn't connect to Super at all.
>>571419298Don't reply to him, it's that guy. He's baiting to start his usual 100+ post long repetitive back and forth.
>>571419298>>571419558I'm sorry you get slapped down so hard every time you say that dumb shit that your schizophrenia got worse.
>>571419298>Ignores the Kaioshins from Super being shown>Ignore U7 being mentioned>Ignore the multiverse being mentioned>Ignore the multiverse being Sounds like it connects a lot.
Cell Max raid is really fun when you have a group that knows what they're doing, playing with idiots means we get wiped out the moment he does his godzilla field move.For a guy his size he's surprisingly super fucking fast running, move accurate, no?
dragon ball origins remake when
>>571423041>For a guy his size he's surprisingly super fucking fast runningTechnically, that's all giants in DB since increased size doesn't diminish speed.
I really thought we were going to get an XV3 trailer with the V-Jump release
>>571419897>zomgz they showed characters from Superand GT showed King Kai from ZThe way the characters learned about the multiverse is completely different in Daima than it was in Super.
>>571431657>and GT showed King Kai from ZAnd GT take Z into account, retard.
>>571431657>zomgz they showed stuff that connect Daima to Super with 0 ambiguity or room for copeYes?
Why the FUCK do people bring friends that don't even know how to play the game? The tank was D rank btw, in an A rank game.
>>571433885Whenever I see one of those I just wonder why one with the higher rank simply doesn't make a new account. Having a D ranker in higher ranks is not fun for anyone, since the D ranker won't learn the basics while getting casually killed, and the teammates won't like having a D ranker dying all the time too...
>>571430841I thought we were gonna get a xenoverse 2 launch trailer and release date being this upcoming Thursday. egg on my face. I just want to bring an end to this already, I know I'm not going to get a fancy new awokening, I know the drip isn't gonna be customized and I know the story is just gonna be Fu's death and either disbandment of the time patrol or status quo preserved but now we really aren't gonna see what come next for themI've got cope for all the ways they can disappointment me yet the waiting is what's pissing me off.
Being able to use Trunks' sword moveset in XV3, I wonder how many people are going to attempt to make Final Fantasy characters in it
>>571442331They better settle for Dragon Quest
>>571377956anon don't forget metal form for frieza race. if cooler can turn into it in a quest in xenoverse 2 then i say it counts. plus it can be the strike version of gold form.
HEYIT'S MEGOKU
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>>571456997Looks like Pan
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>>571457715This is the epitome of sexual desire according to /dbg/
>>571377956Majin(buus)>super form super buu for male and long tentacle for female like the DBO develapers did with majin Titima.>imitation super saiyan what Majin Duu did.>super monster (giant form)Majin Ozotto's true form
>>571462987Speaking of Titima, you think Dimps will bring over other DBO characters back from oblivion? I kinda wanna see their take on the Red Pants Army, especially after Kakarot's Red Ribbon drug situation.
>>571463553i don't see why not. but if anything she will just be a npc if she is in a future Xenoverse game.
I saw a girl wearing a goku shirt today, told her it was cool and she thought I was flirting with her
>>571456997Cute>>571464731That mean she WANTED you to flirt with her.
>>571467845Ah woops
>>571473892Very nice
>>571456997Gonna headpat this monke
so, what's this week gonna bring us?
>>571483163Lets see!
>>571483163Goku will show up in Deltarune.
>>571483163A tweet suggesting news about something will come sometime in the next few months
>>571483654So the usual, huh.
>>571483681The prophecy...
>>571483681>>571484292So that's why Asgore is Japanese...
>>571484356I'll never understand why Toby Fox is obsessed with making Asgore miserable.
>>571484832That's easy, Asgore a shit. Declared intent at genocide out of grief, realized he fucked up too late, can't back out or his people lose hope, tried to make the best of a shitty situation sure but he knew what he did was wrong. At least the rest have the dignity to look you in the eyes while trying to kill you, he can't even do that.His counterpart is still like that but to a lesser degree. Shouldn't have had that much eggnog.
>>571485158Sounds better than anyone else would have done in his place.
>>571485158Meanwhile Toriel just get drunk and fuck random skeleton weedbros all night without even noticing her adopted kid is missed.
>>571486246Most others wouldn't try to jump right to war against humanity. >>571486690Yes, goatmilf is not much better.
>>571491198>Most others wouldn't try to jump right to war against humanity.After a genocide and being locked up in a cave? Come on.
>>571411258He's also stronger than movie Janemba meaning Gast is probably just THAT much stronger than Goku/Vegeta.Also **no insults weak point**! What kind of retard would write that? We don't, this is SERIOUS business!
>>571492487> DBM "ignores" the movi->"ignores"
>>571492487>Bigger powerWanna bet that movie Janemba would legit solo DBM?>First form ignored and no insult weaknessOh my fucking god, they're such faggots.
>>571492934>Wanna bet that movie Janemba would legit solo DBM?Probably not given that SS3 Goku gave him a decent fight and DBM thinks Gohan is really THAT much above SS3 Goku. Well, he was stronger in the manga too but the way DBM describes it, you've got>SS3 tier: Goku SS3 (Buu saga)>Mystic (SS3.5) tier: Gohan, and a few othersLike, it's actually SS3.5 somehow. So fucking stupid.
>>571493063That doesn't really matter because DBM SSJ3 Goku is a weakling and so's Gohan.
>>571493174Gohan's actually very busted in DBM, like the only guys stronger than him would be>Buu (retarded OP, strongest ever made)>Vegeto (obviously, also retarded op)>XXI (main antag)>maaaaaybe Gast or Cell but it's a close match either wayFor some reason Gohan got all the wank
>>571493251Meh, I bet not even one of them could destroy a galaxy in one shot.
>>571493251Multiverse is really odd because some of the characters are supposed to be stronger, specially with the absurd multipliers the SS forms have (500x for SS2, 5000x for SS3), yet they can feel really weak? I really find it hard to believe Multiverse Goku is even on the level of Buu saga Goku, much less stronger... Heck, Goku promises Buu he'll be much stronger when Buu reincarnates, and End of Z suggests he's above Vegeta and Gohan, which's why he's so excited to train Uub, yet, Multiverse Goku is strictly below Gohan and dead even with Vegeta. There's also Piccolo during Babidi's rampage, who was about to get killed by Cooler and Freeza, even though he should be far above their levels (He also fought Cold, but Cold barely did anything to him before the Kaioshins started to fight Cold, so Piccolo doing one SBC and looking worse than Cooler whose body was chopped off is particularly humiliating).
>>571497558>Those SS multipliers>Ultimate Goku, stronger than that, jobbed within secondsGreat reminder of how shit Multiverse is. Thanks anon.
>>571497558>Heck, Goku promises Buu he'll be much stronger when Buu reincarnates, and End of Z suggests he's above Vegeta and Gohan, which's why he's so excited to train Uub,That part always made me confused why so many people were convinced Goku was nearing his limits or that the power hierarchy wouldn't change anymore after the Buu Saga until Super happened.
>>571497558>who was about to get killed by Cooler and Freeza, even though he should be far above their levelsWhich is extra weird since training is supposed to be useless and Piccolo should be at the level of power were not only he can one shot both but he could also one shot people who one shot Freeza and Cooler, like 17 and 18 just had Trunks's sword harmlessly break on them.
>>571497558>>571497734The multipliers aren't so crazy given that SS2 Gohan fucking murdered those Cell Jrs like it's not even close to being close
>>571502647To be fair you have to remember super saiyan 2 Gohan isn't just super saiyan 2, but it's ss2 on top of whatever crazy power multiplier that his rage boosting gives. I consider them seperate things because Goku seems to imply it very much so works like that in buu saga. As long as you assume Gohan's using 2 against Dabura, which should be the case.
>>571502647Also, Cell Games Gohan was significantly stronger than everyone else there at his base, even Goku. To the point that he didn't even register the level that Cell was fighting Goku at to even really be much of a threat, and assumed they were both holding back (true for Cell's case)
>>571509115It's kind of weird and not 100% consistent, honestly the way I see it multipliers are bullshit but if I had to go with multipliers SS would only have to be x50 because of the Kaioken x20 issue but if not for that I'd only see it as like x10 because it's way better than base form but it's not like base form fighters are complete insects, SS2 should be a fat x4 at least because of how Gohan butchered the Jrs, and SS3 I feel is between x2-x4 because SS2 Vegeta can kind of fight SS3 level fighters without horribly dying while still getting his ass kicked
>>571509523>SS2 Vegeta can kind of fight SS3 level fighters without horribly dying while still getting his ass kickedI mean, I'm not sure i'd take the Kid buu fight as much of a feat, Kid buu was very much so not taking vegeta seriously during that fight and was beating the shit out of him to beat the shit out of him. If he wanted vegeta dead he'd do that big ass attack he used to destroy earth
Also, I'm not sure why you're taking the cell juniors specifically as a feat when it's implied that he can easily do the same thing to Cell himself but wants to to make Cell suffer and is therefore holding back
>>571509740He still kind of fought Fat Buu (who's way stronger than Good Buu) and his first attack at least surprised Kid Buu
>>571509926Also Vegeta is striking back which Buu dodges, it's obviously one-sided but it's not "you're completely useless, don't even try to compete" one-sided like we see in Cell arc fights. I don't think Buu is fucking around that much, he's really going for a kill here, if Satan didn't interrupt Vegeta would've been choked to death
>>571509925I'm taking the Jrs as a feat because that means SS2 Gohan is beheading Vegeta/Trunks tier fighters with single strikes and while he's stronger than Vegeta and Trunks in SS1 I still think it's a pretty crazy feat that might imply a bigger multiplier than 2. Could go either way.Of course the real answer to any of these questions is simple, multipliers aren't real, powerlevels aren't real, and even base Vegeta is going to throw hands with Kid Buu for some reason believing he can gain any amount of time like that. It's a funny debate but this is the real answer.
>>571509926Trying to determine strength off of being able to damage people is weird with regnerators. Cell took a lot of visual damage from the Final Flash and the Warp Kamehameha but given the "he still has most of his ki in this form" statement from Goku it's kind of implied it didn't even do that much damage, really? It's weird. Lots of people like Gohan and Dabura are able to damage buu but it's not taken as much of anything, really. >>571510326Oh I do ultimately agree that Cell Games ss2 gohan's multiplier is higher than just 2x Super Saiyan. I just personally think it's a combination of Gohan's base being stronger than everyone else by default + Rage boosting as opposed to 2x not being a 2x
>>571510531Regenerators are weird, definitely, but Kid Buu showing surprise is kinda big. Even Goku says they might be able to hold out for one minute like that. And in fact they do, Vegeta did a really good job here.
>>571510072>I don't think Buu is fucking around that much,He was basically doing emotes and falling asleep midfight.
>>571510813The other anon, here, but that was during the Goku phase of the fight, not the Vegeta one.
>>571510883That doesn't really change my point, Kid Buu was taking nothing seriously. I don't think he even can. It's not for nothing that even Toriyama was like 'Yeah, even Buu himself has no clue how strong he is'.
>>571510326There's also that one time Trunks sucker punched (or kicked, I guess) Buu off of vegeta
>>571510883He fell asleep before the fight started while Goku and Vegeta were arguing, and obviously woke up when Goku transformed. He pulled an emote when Goku was discussing battle plans with Vegeta. Before that, the fight with Goku is actually very vicious and even, with a little edge for Goku power wise but Buu being too tanky to actually get killed. That's why Goku thought he had a shot at killing him but needed time for that, he wouldn't be able to if he was weaker.So that's why I reject this idea that Kid Buu is just fucking around in the sense "he's giving you tons of leeway", obviously he does that here >>571510326 but for the most part that's the scary thing about him he's like a wild chimp, he's NOT going to adjust to your strength and give you time, Vegeta actually had to earn that minute through blood and resilience rather than Buu's mercy.
>>571511287I mean to be fair if vegeta has anything it's tanking comical amounts of punishment, it's kind of his thing. Unless you're 18 I guess.
>>571027527I just want to know one single thing : will i be able to play Maraikho in XV3 ?
Cell took damage because he was fucking with Vegeta on purpose, he let himself take the damage.Buu takes 'damage' cause he's a blob person and his regeneration work in a way where you didn't even damage him to begin with so he put up no defense up just for the fuck of it or to do funny things like turn into an army of mini Buus that just fly at each others and reform the full Buu.Both take no damage when they actually put their defenses up instead of just using regen to not have to bother.
>>571512041To be fair, both in the final flash moment and the warp kamehameha moment Cell looked suprised. Both goku and vegeta were comcially weaker than Cell so really he shouldn't have taken any damage but due to being a regenerator he kinda just does.
>those 18 mind control NTR doujins where Krillin has a micro-penis and is a one-pump chump>one of them has 18 abort Krillin's childtoo sad for me to enjoy, which is a real shame, because they're the best (artistically)poor doujin krillinhe deserves better
>>571512795For the Final Flash, Cell literally pretend to be hurt and then smirk and no sell the damage, he did it on purpose to fuck with Vegeta.The Warp Kamehameha was because Cell was suppressed to Goku's level.So in both case, he let himself take the damage, it has nothing to do with being a regenerator beyond Cell and Buu relying on it instead of having their defenses always up.
>>571512796It brings me great pleasure knowing Krillin getting with Android 18 genuinely upsets people.
>>571513058desu it's weirder to me that Krillin 18 is the ntr thing people focus on when vegeta taking bulma from yamcha feels like a way more obvious thing
>>571512796>one of them has 18 abort Krillin's childThis is legit fucking insane, WTF?>because they're the best (artistically)Really?
>>571512796good shit baldy deserves worse
>>571513252Heihachi is bald too
>>571513252wait but why? he's a good guy
While we're on the topic of Krillin, I feel like his biggest detriment to his character niche of "Being Goku's best friend" is that Goku as a character doesn't really need friends. I don't mean this in the edgy "I work alone" kind of way but in the sense that him having friends doesn't really do anything for him within the plot, he's not a guy who needs someone to talk to emotionally or confide in or really hang out much, so Krillin doesn't really feel intrinsically any more special than anyone else, he's just the guy who just so happened to show up first.
>>571514072 Actually to add onto this, In Saiyan saga to Namek saga this isn't that big of an issue, because at the very least you can show Krillin as this kind of ride or die guy who's willing to throw himself into the line of fire for Goku's sake, even if they aren't interacting much on a personal level, which culminates in the whole sacrafice is super saiyan reveal. This falls off extremely hard in Androids and Buu saga and Krillin still being "goku's best friend" feels entirely superfluous, he doesn't really have much of a character niche at all anymore
>>571512796killing marron is a crime punishable by death (or 100 years in the goku room)
>>571513164>Really?kaientai was the artist's namehis art is top tier imo but too bad all the dbz doujins he does is 18 ntr with some roshi too
>>571514545Not gonna lie anon that doesn't even look like 18, that looks like her cousin 36
>>571514545It's a pretty neat artstyle I guess.
>>571513015Cell was actually surprised by the Final Flash though, that wasn't a trick. He was hurt, he pretended that he couldn't regenerate though. Of course if Cell was powered up he would have tanked it
>>571513771he's as bad as yamcha, is pathetic, cowardly, does nothing with his life, has so much opportunity for growth and good but squanders it and is a disappointment overall>>571513382heihachi is a based baldy
>>571514072I disagree, we don't need Goku to go and confide or hang out. Krillin can be the best friend and it adds another dimension to Goku, personal attachment, memories, all of that.
>>571515068I actually respect saiyan/ namek saga krillin a lot he wasn't cowardly at all, dude got shanked by second form frieza, revived, and then immediately started taunting his ass to get pressure off of the rest of the group.
>>571515130Goku really only has a singular arc of particular attachment to Krillin specifically in Roshi training, and that was largely offscreen or a montage in the manga. In universe I absolutely understand why Goku is so attached to krillin because "well he was kinda my first real friend" is all goku really needs and relationships never decay for him at all" This is mostly a meta perspective for me. And as mentioned his character role deteriorates dramatically after namek saga
>>571515068He went to Namek and fought Freeza and his henchmen. He was smart enough not to attack 17 and 18. He was moral enough to not kill 18 when he could have. He was the first one to attack Perfect Cell. He became a cop to promote the general good.You sound like a beta faggot who can't handle the fact that a fictional midget did more with his life than you. Also, fuck Yamcha.
>>571515384>And as mentioned his character role deteriorates dramatically after namek sagaThe Cell saga poorly handles its cast and the Buu saga is focused on lots of concepts that don't really tend themselves to what Krillin could do, it's a big comedy arc (a great one).I don't really see the issue, nobody in Dragon Ball really goes and "bonds" onscreen for long periods of time, hell even offscreen it's pretty rare, these guys don't see each other that much. And yet, having that character trait of Goku, being that he has a clearly defined best friend adds a lot to him.
>>571515626>nobody in Dragon Ball really goes and "bonds" onscreen for long periods of time, hell even offscreen it's pretty rareYou're absolutely correct, the issue is Krillin specifically is a character largely defined by his bonds with Goku, much moreso than other characters who comparatively have their own thing going on (all of them are linked to Goku, obviously, but Krillin moreso) so I think Krillin specifically really suffers when there's no direct fight plot for him to be involved in, because his role as goku's friend is as comparatively shallow as most bonds are in this series. Like if Piccolo can't fight he can still do a bunch of stuff as evidenced by buu saga, but if krillin can't fight his secondary role as goku's friend kind of cant do anything for him if he's not fucking dying
>>571515190honestly, if krillin was at all like his shit eating smug asshole DB era self post-namek, he'd be a lot better. i mean, this guy played dirty, mocked people, took advantage of his opponents, and humiliated them when possible. krillin post-namek got replaced by a pathetic joke who did jack but carry senzu beans and it's depressing>>571515439he's a coward against literally every frieza minion, weak or stronghe was too terrified to defend his friends against the androids and too weak to contributehe fell for 18 and risked the entire planet for a single kiss from a girl who wanted to murder his best friendkrillin is the slimiest piece of shit on the planet who cared more a girl he could have easily revived with the dragonballs than the entire human racenot only is he the stupidest of the cast, lower than hercule, he's also totally worthless to the point even his wife calls him out on it in eoz
>>571516050Given the situation of namek I think being cowardly against the frieza soldiers was generally a sound tactical decision, as fucking up and alerting the frieza force can cause them to get swarmed. Even then he just doesn't feel that bad in namek compared to androids
>>571515996>the issue is Krillin specifically is a character largely defined by his bonds with Goku, much moreso than other characters who comparatively have their own thing going onWhat? Krillin has tons of things going on, far more than Yamcha or Tenshinhan ever did. He has a good dynamic with Piccolo, with Gohan, with Bulma, with Roshi, with Trunks, with fucking EVERYONE. What the hell do you mean with that? Krillin is one of the most well defined characters in this entire manga.
So THIS is why we're not getting any DLC news. They need to shill the M*B* collab first for a week or two.
>>571515068>does nothing with his lifeHe's one of the few Z fighters that actually has a life outside of training and spends time with his family.>has so much opportunity for growthIt's pretty much canon that regular humans are the weakest out of all the fighters. There's only so much improvement they can have and they had him fight plenty of non-humans. Tien and Yamcha always get beat too.I agree that his falling for 18 was pretty much the end of him being a competent fighter, though.
>>571516050>he's a coward against literally every frieza minion, weak or strongNo? When exactly? All he did was very sound tactical decisions>he was too terrified to defend his friends against the androids That felt slightly OOC but part of the general "we're useless, we're not doing anything!" trend of the Cell arc where characters would just say this over and over again. The characters themselves said he was right to not jump in, so it's not like it mattered at all.>he fell for 18 and risked the entire planet for a single kiss from a girl who wanted to murder his best friend18 was already completely irrelevant when it came to Goku being killed, if she ever had a chance to do that it was long gone. At this point Krillin wanted to save an innocent, which he did, although it was a foolish decision that was mostly on Vegeta.>not only is he the stupidest of the cast, lower than hercule, he's also totally worthless to the point even his wife calls him out on it in eozYou posted filler. I suspect you're a /dbs/ obsessed retard, one of those cuckposting guys. Canon Krillin is actually admired by his wife, DBS showed it.
>>571516478He interacts with a lot of those characters but I wouldn't exactly call him having a great dynamic with them. The closest thing to that I'd call is his interactions with Gohan during Namek saga, where he played the straight man to Gohan's rage and tried to keep him from fucking up their stealth at times. He doesn't really bounce off of any of those other characters nearly as much. Tien and Yamcha both have absolutely zero character niche, they existed to be a sort of rival turned good but that's Piccolo's role, and Piccolo does that way better and has way more things going on than either of them. I regretably and Tien should have stayed dead after their saiyan saga deaths
>>571516583i swear it's starting to feel like making ultra supervillains so lazy wasn't just to save resources for XV3 but also just to use it as an excuse to have the most boring fucking collabs with other games instead of putting in anyone unique
>>571516758Okay, define "great dynamic" then. Because I assure you, Krillin is the character that bounces off the best from basically almost ANYONE in this entire manga.
>>571516651having a job isn't doing something with your lifeif he was passionate and was doing more than being a ticket cop, maybe, but it's not like he's chief of police or a detectivei blame the lack of human progress on bulma not being willing to take the android blueprints to upgrade the others. just imagine an experienced fighter like krillin and tien with android level upgrades. he pretty much just gave up the second he got laid and sought out no avenues of progress. literally wasted potential
>>571517019I mean I kind of already did. That aside I already brought up that I have no problem with Krillin from Saiyan saga to Namek saga, and he really only started to feel aimless around Cell
>>571516583What do you mean?
>>571517110The human fighters are way too prideful to ever take a free ride on power than the androids stuff would give. That aside I don't really feel like Bulma would be able to even reverse engineer the androids stuff, the closest we see is her repairing the fully robotic 16 and that's an entirely different thing from the mostly biological 17 and 18
>>571517189There's an XV2 x Gekishin collab and they don't want to take attention from it by talking about the upcoming DLCs for other games. I notice that DBZ news cycle between various sections now, so they can't have more than one new thing be in the spotlight at the same time.
>>571517436Ah, I didn't know about the collab, that make sense
>>571517128>I mean I kind of already didYou didn't really do that except name the Krillin-Gohan duo which was indeed one of the highlights of Dragon Ball (and too underrated). My point is, if we're not bringing up stupidly obvious contenders like the Goku Vegeta rivalry, then Krillin is easily one of the characters with the most clear identity in this cast and the one they can just add without thinking about it, he can work with pretty much any of these characters. He's never the main, but he always supplements them well.>and he really only started to feel aimless around CellHere's the thing though, Cell was annoying because it rubbed it in your nose by having all the humans go "we're useless!" and even Piccolo's big powerup amount to nothing, but even then they didn't have that much screentime and in Buu it's pretty clear they're not here for a long time, so it's not that they're aimless, they're just letting other characters take center stage. Buu is about Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Gotenks, Buu and Satan, maybe Piccolo too.
>>571517110>having a job isn't doing something with your lifeIt is when you compare them to Goku or Vegeta basically just training the entire time. That on top of the fact that he spends time with them compared to those two. Even Chi-Chi has accepted that Goku is a shitty father and doesn't care so long as he provides financially for Goten. Krillin doesn't win father of the year, but in comparison he's *much* better than the rest of the cast except for Gohan maybe.What does Gohan do for cash anyway?>If he was passionate and was doing more than being a ticket cop, maybe, but it's not like he's chief of police or a detectiveFair enough, but that's honestly probably an issue with the writing more than Krillin's lack of motivation. He barely gets any screentime as it is and we only had 1-2 scenes with him as a cop to start with.>just imagine an experience fighter like krillin and tien with android level upgradesAgreed, but they're probably still human to give the cast at least some level of humanity rather than all aliens and robots.
>>571517110>i blame the lack of human progress on bulma not being willing to take the android blueprints to upgrade the others. just imagine an experienced fighter like krillin and tien with android level upgrades. he pretty much just gave up the second he got laid and sought out no avenues of progress. literally wasted potentialThat's stupid, the lack of human progress is Toriyama having 4 Super Saiyans and 1 Namek and rewriting his arc multiple times so nobody had anything to achieve other than defeating the main villain so obviously nobody can defeat the main villain except the very strongest guy at the very end and the weaker characters can't do anything at all. It's not about characters being lazy or something. Similarly:>if he was passionate and was doing more than being a ticket cop, maybe, but it's not like he's chief of police or a detectiveThis is also retarded. Toriyama wrote him as a cop because it was kinda funny and endearing. He didn't want to go "errm... POLICE CHIEF HIGHLY RANKED TAKING ON MURDER CASES", he wrote Krillin as a cop doing cop things, it's silly and endearing, that's just what it is
>>571517528I mean aside from Vegeta I wouldn't even really argue Buu saga uses a large amount of its cast all that well. Gohan's powerupp also amounts to nothing (granted it really shouldn't have because it was a free powerup that too nothing) and they rub it in your face pretty hard how useless piccolo is with the gotenks fight. Goku is also kind of weird during buu saga with him being extremely callous at times and comically overconfident (what the fuck was he thinking dumping buu at goten and trunks' feet they've never even been in a real fight before)
>Krillin hate vs 'Goku is a bad dad' nonsenseI hope both sides die.
>>571517931Both are obviously wrong. Well I guess you can't be wrong to "hate" something but you got me.>>571517920>I wouldn't even really argue Buu saga uses a large amount of its cast all that wellIt made good use of the ones I listed. Most of the others appear for other reasons.>they rub it in your face pretty hard how useless piccolo is with the gotenks fightHe has great interactions and funny moments. We don't really care about him punching people good.>Goku is also kind of weird during buu saga with him being extremely callous at times and comically overconfident (what the fuck was he thinking dumping buu at goten and trunks' feet they've never even been in a real fight before)Goku has literally some of his best moments during the Buu arc. And he was actually right the kids would defeat Fat Buu. In fact they would've beaten Super Buu if they didn't fuck around. They were more than ready. Goku wouldn't have helped trying to beat Fat Buu in SS3 which he probably couldn't have and leaving everyone now stranded without help.
>>571518230>In fact they would've beaten Super Buu if they didn't fuck around.I mean, yes? Goku saw this exact scenario play out back in cell saga? Why would he think that goten and trunks would be any more serious about it this time around? Gotenks is strong enough to beat fat buu i'm not attesting against that i'm saying they would've made the same mistakes Gohan did and they in fact did do that (for different reasons obviously, but still) Goku being confident on whether or not he could beat fat buu is an odd one, he tells piccolo he couldn't, and he had no reason to lie to piccolo because piccolo respected Goku's decision to leave it to the next generation either way, but during the kid buu fight he IS confident he could've done it.
>>571518508>I mean, yes? Goku saw this exact scenario play out back in cell saga?They were fighting Fat Buu, not Super Buu, and that was Fat Buu withotu Babidi. There was NOTHING Goku should have done differently at that time, it was a FAR safer choice to teach the kids fusion no matter what he says later and how much you believe him, either he could beat Fat Buu but he had good reason to leave successors to defend Earth behind (canonically, acknowledged and praised by Kamiccolo) or he just couldn't beat him so it was safer. This is such retarded levels of nitpicking.
In fact i'm generally weirded out by Goku's deep autism about "leaving it to the next generation" leaving the whole cell saga speech aside because i've pointed out how weird that is several times, it's just odd that Goku's going out of his way to leave Gohan out to dry when Goku's constantly been supported by his friends and rivals during important fights. Like what if Gohan gets himself in a raditz situation is he just supposed to figure that out himself? He saw evidence that leaving Gohan by himself didn't somehow make himself stronger or more determined to protect the earth, so instead of just dropping the pretense and reviving himself to help he just tries again with goten and trunks and THAT also fucks up>>571518768There was always the option of reviving himself and vegeta and having them fuse, there's no reason to be so stingy with dragonball wishes when the namek balls are right there
>>571517110Bulma's dad was a genius, but his specialty was capsuletech, not weapons designs. He said Gero's blueprints were too complicated and ahead of their time. He even lamented that Gero was an evil genius and used his intelligence in the wrong wayBulma is a generalist and made crazy shit like a time machine, but that took decades and that was her future counterpart. Present Bulma still wonders how the fuck her future self cracked time travel. Ironically enough, Pilaf uncovered time travel and Bulma didn't understand a word he said
>>571519116>but his specialty was capsuletechAnd vehicles.
>>571519010>There was always the option of reviving himself and vegeta and having them fuse, there's no reason to be so stingy with dragonball wishes when the namek balls are right thereThey only had Earth DBs which only revived people who died once. And you're going into "why didn't they just fly to Mordor" territory. Why did they let Piccolo get teleported on Namek to fight Frieza? That was INCREDIBLY retarded and yet I don't see anyone call Piccolo, Gohan and Krillin the biggest retard trio in the universe. Hell, they should've asked to be teleported to Earth to escape, end of story. They didn't because maybe it's not about hacking the system with wishes.>it's just odd that Goku's going out of his way to leave Gohan out to dry When did he do that? How exactly? He DIED. He supported Gohan all the way through. Even from heaven he managed to get one call to support Gohan psychologically so he could defeat Cell. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>571519275Yeah he died, in a series where death is meaningless and he was explicitly going to be revived and denied the notion of doing so, Goku being dead doesn't mean anything inherently
>>571519275>They didn't because maybe it's not about hacking the system with wishes.This is a series where King kai and vegeta do massive wish chains to achieve certain goals, going "hey let's just use the dragonballs to revive a couple people to do fusion" is nothing compared to the shit King Kai and later Vegeta got up to with those things
>>571519428>HEY why did this manga author try to contrive a reason to have an emotional death instead of having characters hack their way to undo it? Could it be that he's trying to make his reader FEEL something? Or maybe he's just characterizing his main character as a retard who refuses to hack the system, surely that's thatAre you autistic? Genuine question.
>>571519428>where death is meaninglessThey had a whole moment in the Buu saga where Piccolo adopt that mindset for a bit and get all of Earth killed and is horrified by what he did.
>>571519116>Bulma's dad was a genius, but his specialty was capsuletech, not weapons designs.He also could make ship engines. Briefs' intellect is basically "Bulma but not as smart", so he's a generalist as well. He just doesn't have as many chances to show off snce he's made redundant by Bulma herself.
>>571519564That was when they explicitly had two sets of Dragon Balls available. Toriyama mostly wrote off Namekian Dragon Balls after Namek, only bringing them back for the big finale, even though it should be an easy "fix everything" button for any issue. Cell kills everyone? It's fine, Kaio-sama can give the Namekians a call so they revive our guys. Bad future? Hey, where are the Namekian Dragon Balls?At that time they didn't have that. That was out of the picture. You can't blame GOKU for not using Namekian Dragon Balls when NOBODY used Namekian Dragon Balls in far more dire circumstances. This is so fucking stupid.
>>571519619Hacking the system, what? Using the dragon balls to revive someone is just about one of the most standard things done with them in this series? It's Krillin who explicitly brings up using the Namek Dragonballs to revive Goku. This isn't hacking the system this is something explicitly brought up as explicitly possible within the narrative but was chosen not to be done because of Goku's wishes
>>571519995Why is everyone okay with what he's saying, including Kaio-sama? Could it be that Toriyama tried to induce a "natural" death for Goku that characters would have to accept for various reasons (that don't really make much sense but whatever), and facilitate that by having Goku not able to be revived by Earth balls while Namekian balls are far away so it's less obvious they have other means?Aka, admittedly shakier, less logical storytelling, but still emotionally strong and iconic?Or is it that Toriyama wanted to characterize Goku as a psycho, Kaio as an enabler and everyone else in the crew as retards for not contradicting him?
>>571519712>Briefs' intellect is basically "Bulma but not as smart"From what I recall Briefs is actually smarter than Bulma isn't he?
>>571520315I mean, really I feel like Trunks should be calling out Goku here pretty badly. His reasoning for staying dead involving the "man I cause bad things to show up" really doesn't hold water when his entire timeline is predicated on the idea that the bad things still showed up when Goku died. I'm aware of the themes that Toriyama was attempting to do with goku and he was attempting to setup Gohan as the main character, I just find this whole thing to be on extremely shaky ground and I don't think emotional resonance entirely negates narrative problems from existing.
>>571520532I completely agree with you and I think it sadly brings down this otherwise pretty strong scene because it stands on very shaky grounds, logically and sadly also narratively (although you could argue now that Goku truly made Gohan his successor they don't need him to drive hope forward, he gave them everything). I'm just saying it's obviously asinine and stupid to pretend this is about Goku being characterized as a deadbeat suicidal piece of shit when it's clearly trying to rationalize this outcome as the "natural" one that you're supposed to accept rather than challenge.
>>571520725>I'm just saying it's obviously asinine and stupid to pretend this is about Goku being characterized as a deadbeat suicidal piece of shitHuh? Anon I don't think that at all that's not where my point was going with this. If anything I just think Goku wanted to hang out and do cool training shit in the afterlife and everything else was secondary. I just think he also left Gohan out to dry because of that
>>571519848I don't think Toriyama is immune from criticism for setting up the namekian dragonballs as a thing and not letting them be used. If they were never used after namek saga i'd largely be okay with it but Vegeta doing his thing at the end of buu saga kind of opens the floodgates
>>571520883>I just think Goku wanted to hang out and do cool training shit in the afterlife and everything else was secondaryThat's bullshit, everything about these scenes and this death was emotional. You're trying to explain Goku not coming back by having this by having Goku choosing to have fun in the afterlife even though the plot is very clear and obvious that this is some kind of "fate" and something for characters to accept. The passing of the torch, the father dying but leaving his spirit to his son. That's what these themes and these (oddly) emotional scenes say, not "Goku wants to see if some dead guys he never saw before and hasn't even seen yet can punch good">>571521226I'm not saying he's immune from criticism, I'm saying this "okay I know we can fly to Mordor but this isn't the point so please ignore this okay? I wont mention those eagles just don't bother me with them we need to actually do the adventure shit" stuff is an authorial choice that doesn't actually reflect on the characters.
>>571520407I don't think they're directly or indirectly compared in the OG manga. The closest thing I can think of is Briefs saying Gero's androids tech is so advanced even he struggles to understand it, while Bulma doesn't comment on it, but she was talking about something else (Saying that because of the way 17 and 18 are bio enhanced, it makes sense for Cell to be able to absorb them). Jaco's manga though, does have pic related, and that's Bulma as just a kid, so she's definitely smarter than him by the time DB takes place.
>>571521724I mean again I understand what the themes are trying to say about Goku, but I think the presentation of it is kind of extremely shitty. Gohan is barely able to so much as get a single word in before Goku just leaves forever. In any other setting this would be a miracle last visit from a dead loved one but this just does not work at all in dragonball. I don't think Themes should come at a detriment to the narrative or vice versa. Also again, i'd be very okay with the "why didn't they fly the eagles into mordor" thing if they very much so did do that. Vegeta DID use the namek dragonballs and therefore now every time else they didn't is immediately under scrutiny. I'm entirely okay with giving stories the benefit of the doubt but you aren't allowed to sidestep it one time then say the rest of it is also under benefit of the doubt
>>571522315>but I think the presentation of it is kind of extremely shitty.If it only fall apart after 20+ years of the internet stewing on it, the presentation was probably actually very good.I doubt that's how you saw it the first time you read it.
>>571522510It actually kinda did, lmao. I hadn't watched dragonball since I was like 12 and decided to read the manga for the first time semi recently and sussed it out as nonsense kinda quickly
>>571522757So you already knew about it and had already seen the decades of stewing the internet did.
>>571523083I've basically heard nothing but absolute praise for that scene, anon. It's one of the most popular goodbyes in shounen and Goku's sendoff to Gohan is something i've almost never seen criticized. Granted, i'm personally of the opinion that no one actually reads dragonball and most experience dragonball's plot through videogames and such
>>571522315I'd partly agree and partly disagree, I think it does some things right and others wrong. The shaky logical foundations are hindering the emotional payoff but it's still effective on me. I don't love the Cell arc, but the ending is what saves it imo.That said, my point was about trying to infer things about these characters based on these things when it's clear what they were meant to be, aka not that.
>>571523378It entirely depends on how much you allow death of the author to enter your analysis of a narrative, and yours is just as valid for not letting it in and only analyzing it through the lens that toriyama probably intended for you to see them through. Really though my main criticism is it probably should've just been longer. if it wasn't so short and Gohan was allowed to respond and say like "yeah okay dad, I wont let you down" or something as basic as that but it's just so abrupt and kind of out of nowhere that I cant help but poke at it. But that aside I think we've gone way off topic. My point is that the shaky ground that Goku bases all of his "next generation stuff" off of, even if you think it doesn't affect the goodbye in of itself, I think does affect his actions in buu saga and makes them come off as odd.
Breakers required too much thinking, planning, and analysis for the average dragon ball fan. And Bandai namco/dimps did not understand or care about the game at all either.
>>571525001It just didn't have the right look, art direction or atmosphere to work long term and even then, it's technically still alive so it survived surprisingly long even for a DB game.It should have been actual DB Dead By Daylight instead of basically a Xenoverse 2 minigame / DLC.
Sparking Zero is proof that anime game fans will eat up whatever maggot-infested slop Bandai puts out as long as the graphics look okay
What does Goku think of people who are disabled?
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>>571534032wow, Goku's such a nice guy, he shares energy with those that can't move properly anymore
Paradise looks different from what I remember
>>571534032>goku created gold freeza
>>571536156I wonder why XXI needs to cheat so hard to win when he should just have the raw power to oneshot basically anyone in the tournament sans vegito. Granted, I assume he's being cautious but it's still odd.
>>571536156no way king yemma but he's so powerful!!!!
>>571536156I thought Enma would just say invading otherworld is forbidden and XXI would stop his rampage there because Enma is the highest authority.
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>>571536156How many pages has it been now of just"...And then everyone in this place died""...And then everyone over there ceased to exist"What is the point
Is this thread /co/, /a/, or /vg/? I just can't tell anymore
>>571539614-Is there a lot of cuckoldry and Latin America memes? Then it's /a/-Is there a lot of weird non-canonical shipping between characters? Then it's /co/-Is there a lot of horny anons dumping waifu pics? Then it's /vg/
>>571539534To be fair that's how these have always been, remember the Cell and Bojack specials where it's just the respective villians just slowly killing everyone with no retaliation. The broly one too. Granted, I do think some things like getting the dragon under control were plot relavent and did need to be established, but I do agree with you that most of this is just faff.
>>571541348>-Is there a lot of horny anons dumping waifu pics? Then it's /vg/The horniness has been toned down lately.
>>571542223because bossu is dedand we respect the fallen ones
>>571532563That's just Dragon Ball fans, who in particular have a consoomer mindset when it comes to anything official that the franchise gets. Sometimes when it's bad or overhyped you'll see a switch up, kinda like how you'd get called a fake fan and got the "hype momments and aura" fallacy when you had a problem with Daima when it was announced and airing and now you've got people shitting on it and even throwing tantrums at the thought of Daima possibly headlining gacha anniversaries. Same with Sparking Zero, when it's marketing started you were called every slur under the sun for rightfully pointing out how ugly it could look, but now you've got people comparing it to Legends and the new Xenvoerse game and pointing out how underwhelming it was and that Neo should have been apart of the base game. Anime game fans outside of Dragon Ball generally have decent enough taste. Bamco shat out Cursed Clash at the height of JJK's popularity and it flopped. HxH has a big enough following for a game to do well even when it's on hiatus, the game 8ing produced was considered a failure before it was even out. One Piece fans are practically a cult when it comes to the anime and manga, but even they draw the line at their shitty games. They won't even play their Chinese gachas even though they're objectively higher quality than anything else they have.
>>571543425Isn't Toei making their own gaming division? For whatever reason it doesn't include anime, but why doesn't Shueisha do that for its shonen? Outside of DB and Saint Seiya bandai basically squanders every other shounen battle anime.
>>571543425>HxH has a big enough following for a game to do well even when it's on hiatusI disagree, I don't see a HxH game ever doing mainstream-like well, people who follow that series are mostly theorists and not necessarily fighting enthusiasts. Even if the game was very good it still doesn't have that kind of mass appeal to sell anywhere as much as any Naruto Storm for example, even Connections.
>>571550165Its over, DB now only gets "mainline" games or gacha nonsense. Switch being a hybrid handheld/console killed the cool handheld exclusive market.
Some guy is teasing DB Game News in 17 hours:https://x.com/i/status/2069176041650712651
>>571552363Is Some Guy trustworthy?
>>571556505We'll see in 17 hours.
>>571552363Doubt
even if this is legitimate the news is likely Legends or Dokkan releated, Xenoverse, Genshikin and Sparking Zero need not apply your news is coming next month
>>571536156That's literally just Enma's station, not heaven.
Word on the street is that tomorrow is the Xeno 3 trailer
>>571565968The streets are full of shit
Dragon Ball Heroes... 2!
>>571573675SDBH is Heroes 2Superdivers is Heroes 3
Dragon Ball Heroes... with one more extra...!Dragon Ball Heroes... FOUR!
