Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9426 - Kitsunami Edition==NEWS==>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie>'Sonic Live in Concert' Announced For US, UK, Starting September 2026https://www.sonicstadium.org/articles/sonic/sonic-live-in-concert-announced-for-us-uk-starting-september-2026-r3441/>Sonic Live in Concerthttps://sonicliveinconcert.com/==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 05 August 2026DC X Sonic the Hedgehog #3 - 01 July 2026Sonic the Hedgehog: 35th Anniversary Special - 08 July 2026Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #1 - 15 July 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 05 August 2026DC X Sonic the Hedgehog #4 - 05 August 2026Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #2 - 02 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #89 - 09 September 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics>Sonic shows:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>571173853
>>571211632Why should Ian Flynn's life be respected when he continues to besmirch the work of the thousands of people who worked on Sonic before him? If he isn't going to care about Sonic then I won't care about his well-being. Hiring an Archie writer was such a stupid decision.
Fat Chudnic
THE AMAZING AMY
>>571197107Better or worse than the last one?
>THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer Sonic and the sunshine hedgehog will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of Sonic's World; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; but it gets faster when you go fast.
>>571211813Happy birthday Rouge!
>t-t-there is no canon personality, that makes it okay to completely make up a retarded teen drama version of the character that completely contradicts every character trait from the gamesArchie fags hate Sonic. They want Sonic gone.
Tell me why shouldn't Sonic Team be replaced
Douge
In IDW, modern Amy has her love removed by Ian but when he writes Classic Amy, her love isn't removed. Why is this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEr_G_9LBA8
Reminder that the "true" Sonic doesn't actually exist. Neither Sega nor their shills will ever define in simple terms what Sonic's supposed real characterization is supposed to be. They will only ever spam vague platitudes or dump walls of text that don't say anything. They just want to make up excuses to screech at strangers on the internet over a shitty cartoon rat.
Shadow has wet nightmares about Maria.
>>571212148I can't.
>>571212136>do it for her
¿Futa Amy?
HAHA PORN AND SHIPPING
>>571212194giving blaze naughty scritches above her tail
>>571212261No romance. Primenic > Archie shitnic
>>571212261You don't like Sonic.
>>571212138Explain what Sonic's canon personality is then. You don't get to bitch about getting something wrong if you refuse to explain how it's supposed to work.
>>571212261Sonic is the wind.
>>571212261For me it has to be like the games. If you use any game as a source for Sonic's character you're fine. Colors, SA2, even Sonic Lost World. I don't care. Use a GAME.
>>571211813Great edition! :D
>>571212182They grow up so fasttear
I found a room...In the back...Of /sthg/...
>>571212386>>571212450>>571212521Thanks for immediately proving me right, retards. >>571212534Explain what the fuck that means. What is Sonic's canon personality?
Sonic literally has a theme song.
>>571212496A confident guy who wants to have fun first and foremost and sees adventure and saving the world as an excuse to do that. As he literally says in the games. He doesn't care what people think about him and doesn't want to be tied down by any commitments.All of the games fit this description. None of the comics do. Only two of the cartoons do.
Shadow's supposed to be the cool chill guy not the jerkass
>>571212645Are you an Archie shill or something
>>571212646Yeah, and in the greatest irony of all, it's called 'It Doesn't Matter'.
He knew
>>571212645I think you're just stupid. My point is simply that my standard is that basic. I don't need it to be exactly 100% on the mark. I just don't want an entire heaping fucking disaster like Archie where Sonic is a horny jock asshole who talks shit about his closest friend and prioritizes getting laid.
>>571212261there's a true sonic it's just the games have been written like complete ass (in both english and japanese) for years
>>571212668So he's a sociopath who doesn't give a shit about people, and just wants an excuse to chase thrills? And I know you think that description sounds hostile, but I'm just asking for clarification. >>571212760Stop avoiding the point and answer the question, you bitch ass coward.
>>571212891This. I haven't seen the real Sonic in 15 years.
>>571212645>What is Sonic's canon personality?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TcV8h0v-qwThe fastest hedgehog in history, dashing through wherever at the speed of sound.He loves living life according to his own whims and hates injustice. While he can be a bit short-tempered, he also possesses a kindness that won’t let him ignore someone in trouble.He believes life is a continuous series of incidents and adventures, choosing to live by his own rules rather than those of society. He always keeps his promises and never lets anyone down. He is honest to his own sense of justice.Usually just a carefree joker, he remains utterly unfazed even in the tightest pinch. Yet when it truly matters, he surprises everyone with a ferocity and sharpness that makes him seem like a different person.
>>571212261You're literally complaining about the fact that windfag standards aren't actually that strict, the comics just manage to mischaracterize an extremely simple character. That is the problem. Sonic is not a self insert for haremfags. Sonic isn't a douchy child who needs to learn how to be better. He's "just a guy that loves adventure" .
>>571212891>answer the question>>571213027
I would write Sonic like he is from Sonic X since he is practically game accurate
>>571212874>still refusing to answer the question>just taking yet another excuse to bitch about a dead comic bookKeep proving my point then, tard. >>571212891>for yearsYeah, 35 of them, specifically.
>>571212623So we can have some fun…?
>>571212853https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l4OEJ38aLY
>>571212261The true sonic died when sega lost and had to start making games for other consoles
HERE YA GO PRESENT FOR YA
The true Sonic is Sonic Mania and fangames
>>571212967>So he's a sociopath who doesn't give a shit about people, and just wants an excuse to chase thrills?He can come across that way in-universe and characters actually respond to him as if he is like this in media made by Sonic Team. There are people who think he's fucking crazy. That is an element almost entirely absent from Archie because they grounded him in this shitty teenage persona who is willing to explain his reasoning and feelings in detail because he will "slow down" for his shitty OC girlfriend. Sonic doesn't compromise. It is in multiple songs. You can change his mind but he doesn't like half-measures. If he doesn't want to do something he won't do it for anyone's sake. Even the writers for Satam were aware of this before they fucked it up in season 2. You can make an argument that Sega doesn't handle this correctly because he is always making the correct moral choice, but that's just the limit of being a series for little kids.
>>571213107didn't need to, i knew a bunch of other windfags would answer for mebut yeah of course sonic's character seems like shit these days when he's in shit stories where everyone else is neutered
The real Sonic was killed and replaced in 1995.
>>571212496I'm fine with every Sonic except Archie and Satam. Sonic shouldn't be involved in shipshit. Sega of Japan was consistent about that and Sega of America keeps forcing it because they're obsessed with this idea that horny=cool. The one time the games tried it was utter dogshit and rightfully shat on. IDW is good. Also I hope all Sonamyfags lose. Fuck shipshit. Sonic doesn't care about that crap and never will.
>>571213067>Sonic isn't a douchy childThe first lyrics in his song are "well I don't show off". Yet people can't grasp that basic trait.
>sonic team are failed wannabe anime/manga writers and killed gameplay for this retardationGood to know
>>571213027Okay, so that is the games version. Why are you so mad that other iterations deviate from this? >>571213067>Sonic is not a self insert for haremfags.Projecting. Just say you want Sonic to be asexual. There ARE actual words for what you're asking for.
>>571213140there were good stories from sonic 1 to sa2hit and miss from heroes to black knightit got really bad after that
Sonic shipping is a funny concept to me because a fully in-character to Sonic to any of the games would be one of the worst boyfriends imaginable. A person who "can't compromise" is just not built to have a relationship with anyone who isn't a doormat simp.
>>571213525>Why are you so mad that other iterations deviate from this?I'm only mad when people demand that the games should be changed, or that stories that don't fit with the games are the same as the games and should exist in the same world (example: Sonic Prime).
>>571213460No seriously, it really seems like you people are just mad that Archie Sonic had a functioning libido. >>571213562>there were good stories from sonic 1 to sa2Pft! I like the Adventure games, and I am telling you to acquire standards.
>>571213634Sonic would need someone who respects his way of doing things, is okay with some amount if distance, can keep up with him, and is okay with going long periods of time without seeing him.
There is one sky, one destiny!
>>571213525>Projecting. Just say you want Sonic to be asexual. There ARE actual words for what you're asking for.No. I like Sonic the way he is. If you want Kirito watch SAO. If you want Kazuma watch Konosuba. Sonic's relationship with romance is actually so thoroughly explained I have no idea how Archie fucked it up. Shippers ask about it in every fucking convention. Every staff member has given their take on it. This isn't even something that should be up for debate anymore. The guy openly does not care about being in a committed relationship, but at most he finds girls attractive. He is outright dismissive of Rouge's flirting. They wrote a whole description on how Rouge finds Sonic annoying because it bounces right off of him. This isn't just some opinion, it's one of the few things set in stone. If you make the character care about romance you have broken the character.
>>571213876So basically the most Sonic would ever go for is FWB
>>571213634It's funny how the same people who are shit themselves angry at shipping are the same people who are mad that Amy's crush is being downplayed. Amy grew up and realized that she doesn't want any of that.
>>571213786the adventure games set my high standards for this series that haven't been lived up to, but let's agree to disagree instead of another pissing match over the games
Sonaze is the most in-character ship. If either wanted it, it would happen. But neither want it. They actively reject it
I wouldn't want the comics to no longer exist. So apply that logic to game fans, and you see where the not want American style Sonic in the games comes from. We already have American style versions of Sonic and that's enough.
>>571213985I'm happy I'm not one of those hypocrites. I hate that Amy's love for Sonic is being removed by Ian because Amy's love is central to her character and because Sonic and Amy are building up to become an official couple, which I really like
>>571213646>I'm only mad when people demand that the games should be changedOkay, so you're mad at nothing, because nobody at any point "demanded" that the games be changed to be like the Archie comics. Nobody said that, and I'm sure you're going to cite some ancient post on a dead forum somewhere where ONE person said something like "I think it'd be neat if the games were more like the comics." as proof that there's a hoard of people gang raping the game canon and I guess putting a gun to Iizuka's head to force him to change it. But I assure you that is not a thing that is happening, dude. >>571213876>muh KiritoYeah, you're absolutely projecting. >I have no idea how Archie fucked it up.I do. It's because SoJ refuses to tell them anything and always have.
>i care about le country no qualityThis is what you sound
>>571213405Dead Sonic theory?
>>571214463It was said here like yesterday or maybe even today, comicfags say Sonic's character in the game is boring and needs to be "improved" or receive "character development" to be more like the comics
>>571214343But romance in Sonic bad, period. Right? Pick one.>>571214224No one is demanding that the games stop existing. Where the fuck do you people get these delusions? Is there some Youtuber I'm not aware of? Fuck.
>>571213234The most German suplex, well done drawbro
>>571213985Long post because I have a lot of opinions on this particular thingI actually agree with both takes here. Archie Sonic is out of character, they made him invested in romantic affection, marriage, sexual endeavors ect. This was an attempt to make him relatable to the teenage audience. For what it is that's fine, but that is ultimately not the same character that exists in any Sonic game. I'm not picky about this either. I think the Sonic games have illustrated it poorly. The ONLY Sonic game that shouts in your face that Sonic has ABSOLUTELY no interest in dating any girl is Sonic Battle. Would you expect most people to play Sonic Battle to completion? It's not even in the same genre as the mainline games and is poorly translated.The rest of this comes from interviews. Evan Stanley, Iizuka, Yuji Naka, Bumblekast, I believe Nakamura as well. It's a verifiable fact that Sonic the Hedgehog has no interest in romance just like it's a verifiable fact that he's blue. Regardless what do these all have in common? They aren't a video game. This information isn't present in the games.All players see is Sonic turning down Amy in particularPeople compare Sonic to Lupin. Lupin is a character VERY similar to Sonic in terms of motivation. On top of that Lupin is aimed at an adult audience.You know what Lupin did in Castle of Cagliostro? Look at the camera and tell the audience that he doesn't care about romance and only cares about adventure. That is something Sonic does not do. Instead they tease the "potential"(Never going to happen) Romance with Amy to an exhaustive degree.It's not a mystery to me why Archie fans or Sonamy lovers struggle to accept the idea that this non-asexual teenage boy literally has no interest in dating. It's poorly represented in the games and only represented in the comic by force of Sega mandate.It's out of character. It is strictly against the "vision". That doesn't make it a well illustrated character trait
>>571214713I never said romance in Sonic was bad
>>571214637That has FUCK ALL to do with the comics. That is a very simple and straightforward critique of the writing in the games being mediocre. Fun fact, I don't want Game Sonic to be like Archie Sonic either. I want the traits he's supposed to have to be more visible, and for the story to actually do something interesting with those traits.
>>571214938Then I might not be talking about you. I have seen people make that exact argument several times.
Is there an instance where romance was done well in Sonic?
>>571212234On the Japanese Sonic & Friends website, Amy's bio does not mention her love for Sonic. Why is this?
>>571214768Then they should have Game Sonic look at the camera and say that he has no interest in romance. If this is supposed to be a trait of the character, then it should be clearly demonstrated. As is, it looks like Sonic is just being weirdly insecure.
>>571214768i don't know why people argue with windfags about sonic, it's like arguing with geologists about rocks. you're not going to change someone's mind when their opinions are just ripped from the source material
>>571215108I guess Sonic Team doesn't consider it to be as important to mention it the Sonic and Friends bio as it is important to mention it in the games' character bios and dialogue. I just wish Sonic Team would quit applying this double standard to the English and Japanese versions of the games
>>571215012Yeah, I don't know where the hell you saw such arguments, cause you sure as hell ain't seen them here. Certainly not from me. Indeed, I love Archie Sonic, but I will loudly point out that it is a very different take on the material, and that's fine.
>>571215165That's the issue. The only way to tell this character trait is to literally have characters spell it out in plain english (For example, Senku from Dr. Stone) OR to literally give Sonic a harem and show him consistently rejecting all of them. Sega avoids both ideas. In fact, there is only one version of Sonic that ever looked directly into the camera and outright said that he doesn't want to have a girlfriend because it would slow down his adventures. Guess which one?Archienic
>>571212261People deliberate over trying to make sonic "complicated, have an arc, be vulnerable, etc" as an excuse to distract from the fact they aren't creative enough to come up with actually compelling and interesting scenarios.Danial Barnes didn't have this issue because he actually came up with interesting scenarios.Just right Sonic as Sonic. If you need to regress or muddy his character, its a sign of incompetence, not Sonic himself as a concept.
>>571215165And Sonic is kids series so it makes sense to be explicit
>>571215378>spoilerYeah, but in his case he was obviously lying. Well, the reboot version avoided romance though. Which, uh, I have no real complaints about because of reasons.
>>571215165Sonic having no interest in romance because it supposedly would slow him down never felt like a character trait to me and always felt like an excuse for Sonic Team to be lazy and uncreative. And before you accuse me, no I don't like Archie
>>571215378That was a throwaway line in a minor issue but I remember. And I think the subtext isn't literal meaning that in the same way as the game because he clearly doesn't follow that even in issues by same writer
>>571215165It's in the same camp as Sonic not fearing water. It's something that a Sonic autist can tell you as a fact but it's not told to you in any easy way in the games.Technically Rouge also confirms this but Crossworlds english dub changes Sonic's insult to a flirt. In the japanese version Sonic dismisses the idea that Rouge deserves to be called a "lady" while in english he flirts with her.We know all the IDW staff are told directly that Sonic doesn't want a relationship. It's not just a mandate to keep the comic clean, it's officially considered ooc. We get this through Ian and Evan. I don't think they have a reason to lie about that. Again, it's not in the comic. Not told to the audience. It's told though interviews meaning the average shipperfag only ends up hearing this through characterization purists getting pissed at them.
Maekawa Sonic from BK and SA2 is my favorite version of him. The best Western Sonic is Archie Flynn Sonic.
I don't know why you're explaining this shit to Archiefags, they will ignore it and say "nuh uh it doesn't count because I want to self insert and fuck Slutty Acorn"
>>571215820>In the japanese version Sonic dismisses the idea that Rouge deserves to be called a "lady"Well fuck you, too.
>>571215820I'm not a fan of Sonouge because in japanese Sonic consistently doesn't react well to Rouge's flirting, but Ian keeps pushing it because he thinks it's funny/sexy. It undermines this element of his character and makes it confusing. If he has the capacity to be interested in Rouge then why is he so adamant against romance? It's stupid. Don't tease what you can't do.
Archie Sonic doesn't serve the same narrative role as Sonic, so I don't see how it destroys his character. From comparing it to original Sonic it certainly does, but Archienic seems like a cohesive hedgehog in his own narrative.It's a thing in arguments where people can construct fleshed out universe to justify their point, but it only has value if you are arguing from a shared premise. If that premise is "Sonic should have creative intent respected" that's one thing, but if it is "All Sonic's should be judged on the original game context" that premise is not something you'd get an actual Archie fan to agree with.
>>571215820>Amy is content with being good friendsAbsolute nonsense. You can't convince me Amy is actually ok with Sonic friend-zoning her. Sonic Team is so sleazy that they'll mischaracterize Amy just to prevent her and Sonic from being in a romantic relationship together just because they don't want to put in the effort to supervise and write that stuff
>another episode of archiefags needing to be told things that were already confirmed back in the bush administrationwhy should I be nice to these idiots? They don't play the games.
Windnic wouldn’t like you to be an online warrior defending his image
>>571216417>You can't convince me Amy is actually ok with Sonic friend-zoning her.She's absolutely not, but she's definitely actively over it. Her crush on Sonic died in that Tails-Tube episode. I don't get why so many people are so mad about this. Amy doesn't have to put up with this shit.
>don't disagree with the company vision and direction of the series>just consoom and don't complain
>>571214768>>571215820Put it better than I could >>571213525Does that settle it for you? It isn't just windfags being assholes, it's an actual character beat. Sonic and shipping don't mix.
>>571215373I saw them here.
>>571214768Personally, i find it weird that western audiences need the character to stop and tell them their character and motivations to the screen in the first place.I looked up chatrooms online in the past and gamefags understood just fine Sonic wasn't the dating type and just wanted adventure.It feels like these arguments about Sonic needing to bang hoes and care about romance is relatively recent, and i imagine it's a consequence of a lot of people in fan spaces trying to rationalize this clear aspect of his character away to facilitate fantasies.This topped with modern redpill shit and you have the situation we are currently in.Women wanna "win" Sonic and guys who self insert as him want their self insert to be some "alpha" or something.It has nothing t do with actually understanding the character himself incorrectly.
What's his problem?
I don't agree with this argument that the games need to be more obvious about it. The games are obvious enough about it. The only reason people think its up for debate is because Archie and satam did it. Nobody is retarded enough to think Monkey D Luffy is interested in a romantic relationship "because he's le teenage boy". Even the most brain dead obsessed shipper knows he is a lost cause and cares more about his adventures. Elise was hated not just for bestiality but because people were already aware of this. Archiefags are just a particular kind of stupid. Stop playing softball.
>>571216689What episode?
https://files.catbox.moe/im2u04.mp4
>>571216713Yeah, romance and game Sonic don't mix. That makes sense, and I agree. Still not seeing what this has to do with the non-game iterations. >>571216756I sure haven't.
Anons, I got a confession to make…
>>571212234>when he writes Classic Amy, her love isn't removedHe doesn't really write her as in-love with Sonic. Just a fan.
>>571217026I'M YOUR FOOL
>>571216878We don't know anything yet
Fans understand Sonic better than Sega (Mania,SRB2)
>>571216878He's gay.
>>571215645Excuse for what? He's a fictional character.
>>571216950#6. And while we're here, this was out of line.
>>571217269An excuse to not put in the effort into writing and supervising a romantic relationship between Sonic and Amy
>>571217186THE BEST
The wind is a virgin like me
>>571217403Sonic very definitively does not love Amy, and does not do romance at all.
>>571216878Wants to impregnate Blaze
>>571216830>Personally, i find it weird that western audiences need the character to stop and tell them their character and motivations to the screen in the first place.I understand this argument. I understand why you might think that people are less intelligent because they need the information to be explained bluntly and clearly. But consider the following>Sonic games are not accurately translated from japanese to english>sonic's aversion to romance is only expressed through amy>multiple incarnations of sonic aren't averse to romance at all, but are still not interested in amy >most people don't read or listen to interviews about sonic's characterization>most people don't know or care who the japanese writers are >most people do not sift through bumblekast to get ian's take on sonic's character>most people don't read evan's tumblr>the only other girls in the games who flirt with sonic are Rouge (who is usually joking) and elise (who wasn't very forward about it)This is a recipe for a particular character trait just never being understood. And after years of being aware of it Archienic and Satamnic might seem like insulting scum who didn't grasp a basic detail but it's a detail that isn't explained clearly. The games explain a lot of other character traits bluntly and clearly, but this is never put in a character bio. It's never stated by a character in-universe. You have to be the kind of person who is invested in confirming this information to know about it already. It is conclusively out of character to portray Sonic as a romantic guy but it's not communicated well. The best argument against it is that it's just not present in the games either way so it wasn't fair game to assume.
>>571217375Oh, I remember that episode and of course, Ian Flynn wrote it. Thankfully, Tyson Hesse wrote Tailstube episodes after that one and Amy's love wasn't removed
>>571217534Wrong, the wind has gone into millions of holes, it's a whore
>>571217247Transformative fan works are the pinnacle of fandoms. Don't knock them down a peg.
Do people really still think Sonic is written in Japanese first?
>>571216417The point of Amy's Love for Sonic originally was that she just wanted to be around him and get to express that love. She would try to win his heart but it wasn't some devastating blow if she didn't. We see that in SA1 and SA2.I think Sonic X was the only real time Amy was portrayed as particularly upset or sad about it.In the games, Amy just took Sonic running or dipping as him being kind of a flake or shy. Just part of who he is, rather than a personal hit on her merit as a person.
>>571217597Not true
>>571217845Bestiecollab is bigger therefore it's more canon
So does every /v/ Amy thread get autonuked now? I don't buy the "reposting/spamming" message.
>>571216704can you explain why this direction for the character is bad exactly?
>>571216417>Absolute nonsense. You can't convince me Amy is actually ok with Sonic friend-zoning her.Amy isn't a real person. She isn't "ok" with anything. Her motive and behavior are inconsistent because Sonic Team doesn't prioritize them.
>>571217375This is honestly one of the most miserable fucking things they've done to her in years, and there's a LOT to pick from.
>>571217925That's a logical fallacy and that collage is filled with non-canon material and moments taken out context
>>571217953/v/ mods hate videogames
>>571217076CD doesn't mention Amy's love for Sonic either.Name: Amy RoseGender: Female / Age: 8Personality: Childlike and tomboyish. Loves to play.Interests: Tarot Cards, DowsingShe’s full of childlike curiosity and loves all things mystical and mysterious.Her name is written in bright red letters.She came to Little Planet through a “tarot card revelation,” where she had a strange encounter with Sonic. And then…>inb4 but there's a heart!I feel like the love stuff was more of a Modern Amy thing while Classic Amy was more so treated like a groupie/fan.
>>571217958Explain why is good
>game Sonic leaving the date 3 minutes in because he doesn't like the place you picked>game sonic telling you to your face that he doesn't like your taste in music and not humoring you>game sonic not laughing at the meme you showed him because he won't compromise his sense of humor to make you feel socially comfortable>game sonic never holding the door for you because he doesn't feel like it>game sonic never cuddling with you in bed because he doesn't have a reasonable sleep schedule>game sonic showing up late to the wedding because he doesn't care about commitments>game sonic never reprimanding your kids for not getting homework done because he does not care>game sonic refusing to get a job because he doesn't do anything that isn't fun or necessary to save the world Nobody sane would want to date this guy
>>571218152>ChildlikeAnd some of you guys insisted that she's actually a mature 50 year old woman who isn't childish at all.
>>571217403Why do you treat it as some obligation for them to do that when during Amy's conception as a character, they determined a conventional girlfriend doesn't even make sense for the character, and Amy chasing him would be more interesting?I swear, a lot of these arguments about Sonic seem to just be people being annoyed the franchise isn't cookie cutter and conventional.Amybro btw
>>571218152Anon, you realize this is meant to be read BEFORE you play the game and BEFORE she meets Sonic, right? ...Right? Please say yes.
>>571217845Either Sonic doesn't do romance at all, or he loves Amy but he's insecure about it. Pick one. And pick the former, because as someone else pointed out, that relationship would be some toxic bullshit, and not in a fun way.
I don’t see anything wrong with girls who act like this.
shipping any japanese character who's motivation is themed around adventure is kind of stupid to be honest. the only example in my whole life i have ever seen actually settle down is goku. fucking goku.
>>571218049Right? It's just so fucking mean. And for what purpose? If it is supposed to kill the ship, then well done, because it felt far too believable. >>571218278Seriously. I actually agree with Windfags that game Sonic should never date under any circumstance.
>>571217621>sonic's aversion to romance is only expressed through AmySure but he doesn't show interest in anyone else either. The one game where Sonic was in a romance plot, they went out of there way to have an Amy option as part of plot progression. In both cases, he doesn't end up with anyone, as the point of their dynamic is that he is gonna leave eventually because he always does.In fact in general, 06 is probably the most clear example of Sonic's stance on love, but people actually started meming it in the other direction that Sonic is only into human woman or something even though Elise kissed him, not the reverse.Idk, to me its just people being media illiterate at best or just people consuming memes and fanon and letting it inform their views of the series over the source material instead.The people that insist otherwise about Sonic's view on romance do so because they want Sonic to be in one with their character of choice more than they respect the integrity of the characters. It's that simple.
>>571213985If a character is from the GAMES they shouldn't have a different personality in the cartoons or comics.
>>571218719Personally, I never understood why adventure and romance are seen as mutually exclusive in a lot of Japanese media, but then again, I firmly believe that shonen protagonists shouldn't breed, so whatever.
>>571218749>Right? It's just so fucking mean. And for what purpose? If it is supposed to kill the ship, then well done, because it felt far too believable.The thing is, I don't doubt that Sonic might do something like this. But he would NEVER do it in front of her. He's not that inconsiderate. He's not that hurtful. It's WILDLY out of character.
Tails ^-^
>>571218278Sonic X actually made all of this kind of obvious. Sonic would literally ASK Amy on a date and then change his mind because he didn't feel like it anymore in that instant. It's played off as a joke when Amy gets furious about it but flaking like that in real life would be extremely frustrating. If that happened to me I would think he has autism or something.
>>571218868Why?
One down
>>571219028He does
>>571219053The only reason to use a character is if you like their characterization. If you have to change their characterization, use a new character.
>>571218152Amy falls in love at first sight in CD when she meets him on Little Planet. Then she chases him into some adventure sin Classic spinoffs.This is stated multiple instances.
>>571219146More trip soon, trust the plan
>>571219028This is why he's like the wind. He does whatever he wants whenever he feels like it. There is nothing that could make him say "oh I have to go do this thing". If nobody is going to get physically hurt he doesn't care. X Sonic didn't care that flaking made Amy cry because she'll get over it.
>>571218212You're the one with the grievance though? Typically when you want something changed, you make a case for why it should be and why things as they are aren't good.
>>571219323Sonic in Battle tells Emerl never to make a girl cry though.
>>571219196People often have a different interpretation of a character than others. Some people see Samus Aran as a stoic god slaying badass, and others see her as an awkward turbo autist. Some see her as both at once.
>>571219196>The only reason to use a character is if you like their characterizationAlright, I have a challenge then. What if I want to use Scourge the Hedgehog? His character is built on Sonic's character. If Sonic is in-character then Scourge would require a new personality. What then?
>>571218278Amy would. But she isn't normal
>>571219323That just makes him sound like an uncaring schizo. Why are we supposed to like this jerk, exactly? >>571219484Insert Wrestlemania meme here.
>>571219415Sonic killed Emerl because he's a shitty dad. The wind is an inconsistent cunt of a rolemodel
>>571218719Goku himself doesn't really settle down though. Not in practice. He is always off training or getting into hijinks.The moment there is even an extended amount of peace, he is dead or off in space training with aliens to learn how to teleport.The only reason Toriyama even had Goku get hitched was so he could have a kid to replace him as the token child in the manga.
>is too powerful to answer to any authority figure>can force his will on anyone because he feels like it>we are all lucky that he only ever makes morally justified decisions at all times
>>571218873Because it's a distraction that doesn't serve the adventure narrative.It's always just a side dish for the fangirls. Boys wanna watch characters right badguys and monsters.
>>571219458>Scourge the HedgehogIf Scourge was a real Sonic character he'd still be a rapist because he'd fuck whoever he wants regardless of how they feel about it. Evil Sonic.
>>571219028You think it's a coincidence this fandom is filled with autists? Lol.
>>571219779Irredeemable/Injustice Sonic when?
>>571219779Like the song says, it's HIS world. If that DC crossover had any balls whatsoever, Lex would immediately realize that Sonic actually is everything he's ever feared about Superman.
>>571218341True you are right, but the first game to explicitly say Classic Amy loves Sonic was Sonic R, and it was only the Japanese version funnily enough. Classic USAmy just wanted the Chaos Emeralds, lol.
>>571219323See, now you're overcompensating in the opposite direction. One of the few things Sonic has a weakness for is tears.Its not a coincidence that the Sonamy scene at the end of season 2 has Amy cry. Same with her getting him to not kill Gamma in SA1 adaptation.It's an understated aspect of his character.
>>571220168>Classic USAmy just wanted the Chaos Emeralds, lol.Classic USAmy was almost Sally. I don't know what they were doing over there.
>>571220006>SonarWere the not-Sand Blasters right, or was their philosophy misguided?
>>571220179Sonic is a sociopath with a good heart
>>571219438The god slaying turbo badass was never her character. She was always based on characters like Ripley from Alien.For whatever reason in the 90s, a lot of guys were obsessed with girl characters needing to just be turbo badasses with no character or soul. Idgi
>>571220057>Lex watching Sonic cause loads or property damage because he wanted to go fast
>>571220307Anon, are you familiar with the word 'oxymoron'? A sociopath is primarily defined by a lack of empathy. Sonic cannot have a good heart if he does not have the capacity to care.
IDWs were acting really cocking when Tangle and Whisper got in Crossworlds. Where are they now?
>>571220349Japanese meme I can't explain.
>>571220492>Mario dead before Soniccmon now
Sonic Prime showed us the exact moment Amy understood windshit
Why do idwfags fear incharacter media?
>>571220168USAmy was basically erased at first for Sally though, and they tried to play off her love for Sonic to not get in the way of Sally.
>>571216878Rape and sodomized all silvazefags
>>571220669I know I should watch this show just to like... have it in the brain bank of Sonic material. But holy shit this makes it look so awful and I don't even know the context.
>>571216990>knuckles big juicy breast>knuckles big juicy breast expansion>knuckles big juicy breast lactating
>>571220903Amy does not forgive him. The show literally ends with her still angry with him about this
>>571220391>The god slaying turbo badass was never her character.Tell that to Gorea, the literal god that she slayed. But yes, I get your point. She's actually pretty chill. An awkward dweeb who was raised by bird monks, but still pretty chill.
>>571220669PrimeAmy is generic western female cartoon lead. She acts more like Sam Manson from Danny Phantom or Lori from what's with Andy than Amy. For whatever reason in the west, you always had the female lead by the "mature one" who "forces the male lead to mature" or whatever.
>>571220947quick question, do you think cumflation would've made it more hotter than it already was or would that have been a turn off?
>>571220669Two things. 1) Yep, this definitely broke the illusion for good. 2) The idea that Prime is canon to the games is still fucking retarded. Fuck off, Sega.
>>571221131Where are Rouge's tits
>>571221131>everyone rolling their eyes and cringing at SonicWhy do western writers keep doing this?
>>571221131>>571221197>>571221397I keep hearing it's just kind of a nothingburger show, but is it genuinely this bad? I'm not gonna lie, this makes it look worse than Boom.
Sonic is supposed to be a cool inspiring guy to everyone around him. The games have many writers but they all handle this (except lost world) with care. He isn't some asshole jock or friendly psychopath. The former is mostly dead but Evan still occasionally writes him as the latter.
anons, if sega got rid of the current english VAs and decided to go with canadian ones, who would you personally pick? (besides the prime VAs)
>>571221619It's carried by some well animated action scenes that go on for too long.The stuff with Nine is the only thing of substance imo, but it isn't really done in a way that is particularly interesting.
>>571218287Because Sonic Team's unconventional approach never once indicated Sonic liked Amy back until Unleashed came out. Amy chasing Sonic forever gets old and turns into a cliche really quick>>571218426I'll pick the in-between option. He'll ask Amy for an official relationship next year
>>571221619Sonic Boom was fun. Sonic Prime was mostly forgettable.
>>571221619>nothingburger showIt's funny people say this because this show has devastating implications for just about every character except Shadow who is just unusually nice
>>571221803Holy mother of all trvth nvkes
>>571221619Boom was a decent sitcom that stayed in its lane. Prime is bland slop that is so actively uncreative that it becomes kind of offensive, and it's apparently supposed to be CanonTM. Okay, so this is a multiverse show, but it's set up in such a way that no alternate versions of Sonic himself or Shadow can ever appear. Strike 1. All the worlds, instead of being interesting what if scenarios, are all generic theme worlds such pirate or cave people. Strike 2. Rouge the Bat has been bumped up to main cast, but she's sanitized and made bland and safe. They somehow found a way to make Rouge the Bat boring. Strike 3. Fuck this show. Right up its fucking ass.
>>571221832>Because Sonic Team's unconventional approach never once indicated Sonic liked Amy back until Unleashed came out. Amy chasing Sonic forever gets old and turns into a cliche really quickWhy? It's mostly just used as the opener for how she gets into the story. The people saying "it gets old" to me seem more like the open making excuses.>Because Sonic Team's unconventional approach never once indicated Sonic liked Amy back until Unleashed came out. SA1 clearly shows he still cares about of and respects her judgement and input. She is just hanging out with him and the gang in Advance 1 and is just with with gang in Shadow.06 had him tank her for saving him and trusted her to handle Silver.Even in X she is treated as a core member of his friend group, and they had multiple scenes teasing the idea he cared for her back.Despite all this, I don't really even care and don't see why it matters?I feel the people insisting its getting old just want them to get together and see it as "getting in the way" of them "just being a couple". The latter comes before the former.
You can complain all you want. Sonic Prime actually follows the exact description that Sonic is "A free spirited guy who does whatever he wants, doesn't care how people feel about it, won't be tied down by any commitment, makes the right choice when it matters most, and inspires everyone around him" the last season of the show even says all that stuff out loud. The show is written with the full intention of being canon, just like IDW. Any denial about this is just cope. This Sonic is the same person who went through SA2, Heroes, Black Knight, and 06.
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>>571221776I don't know any notable Canadian voice actors but I can say for sure that Devin Mack and Shannon Chan-Kent would be better voice actors for Sonic and Amy respectively
>>571222450As the guy asking questions, my problems aren't with Sonic. They're with everyone else I'm seeing in these clips.
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>>571221252that's what cumflation is? hot
>>571222450No it doesn't though. Primenic is 'Sonic the happy hedgehog who lives in green hill with his friends" He cares how people feel about him to a fault and is just bad at actually living up to their expectations, he is preoccupied by commitments. he is just bad about them. He doesn't so much as inspire people as he makes heartfelt emotional appeals to them like he is Amy or something.
>>571222385> It's mostly just used as the opener for how she gets into the story.That works but Sonic can't keep running away from her foreverSonic clearly liked Amy back in X but not in the games until Sonic 06 came out due to the test of love mini game. Before 06, Sonic just generically felt concern over her wellbeing in a platonic manner and if Sonic Team wanted us to believe that Sonic liked Amy back before 06, then they did a terrible job at portraying it
>>571222609Sonic is made stupider friendlier than the games Shadow is made nicer and more social than the gamesAmy is peppy up until Sonic starts talking, then she's angry for the rest of the show. All of her split versions are villains who heel turn into good guys by the end of the showKnuckles is just a strong idiotTails is just Sonic's smart friend who calls out his stupidity Eggman is in the show for less than a minuteIf you count the multiverse versions, it is implied that without Sonic, Rouge becomes the "leader" of the friend group, Nine is a Tails without Sonic.
>>571221803>>571222039But does Knuckles get sissified like sissyver? I don't think so. Knuckles remains the Strong Blacck Masculine Model character, don't you compare him to the white sissy.
>>571222609They sanitized my wife, anon. And no, it's not the fake controversy about her tits. It's that they took away all her edge. She's not even greedy in this show! She's supposed to be a morally flexible anti-hero who wants jewels honestly kinda sexually, tard wrangles her friends because she loves the stupid bastards, and will do the right thing but also connive a way to profit from it. In Prime she's just kind of a generic spy character. They made her a member of the main team, but at the cost of taking away everything fun about her. I hate it. Also, I wish they did more with her being the resistance leader, cause that was a cool idea that does actually makes sense for her.
>>571222937>That works but Sonic can't keep running away from her foreverI don't need Sonic to run away from her. My preference is Sonic runs and Amy runs after him, occasionally trying to run ahead of him but never quite getting there.>Sonic clearly liked Amy back in X but not in the games until Sonic 06 came out due to the test of love mini game. Before 06, Sonic just generically felt concern over her wellbeing in a platonic manner and if Sonic Team wanted us to believe that Sonic liked Amy back before 06, then they did a terrible job at portraying itShippers are so annoying. It's like you don't actually like or care about these characters as characters, and more care about them as ship components.
>>571223162Funny how the only version of Rouge to even MENTION gems in the show is Pirate Rouge when she says that the gems aren't worth their lives and tells Sonic to just give them away to the villains
Fuck your waifu yourself
>>571223053Nine is a good idea. The issue is I don't buy that anyone would be inspired by this version of Sonic. Sonic is treated as an irresponsible idiot that needs to learn how to be responsible. Tails is supposed to have the same backstory as the games according to that one scene in the show, but if Sonic acts like he does in Prime, i just can't believe Tails would have followed him around and been inspired by him to begin with, which makes Nine turning out how he did kinda fall flat for me.
2025 superman handled the idea of a character who is so good that all the other characters want to become good too >but that movie sucksIt's better than every Sonic story after sa2
>>571223493Naka wasn't even the one to come up with Sonic and Amy's dynamic. that was Naoto Oshima and Hoshino. Naka was in American working on Sonic 2.Also Naka is right.
>>571223520>Tails is supposed to have the same backstory as the games according to that one scene in the showEven then that scene is a bit different from Origins despite them clearly intending for it to be the same thing. They screwed that up too.
>>571223520westfags want to write sonic as pre timeskip naruto but with the effect of post timeskip naruto
>>571223293I HATE IT. A properly written Rouge would swap those gems out for fake ones, and one of those fakes would be a bomb. And just to clarify, Prime is supposed to be canon, so this isn't an instance of a different iteration having a different take on the character. This is supposed to be the same one from the games. Then again, Rouge is one of the few characters who's pretty much consistent across all versions, so there's even less excuse to fuck her up.
>>571223293Now this is what I call IN CHARACTER and CANON
I still need to give Superstars another chanceI tried to beat it like 3 times over the past few years and I hated it each time. Last time I died in the final boss and quit because I didn't wanna redo that whole bullshit
(did not watch prime)so the INTENT is that it is canon but the EXECUTION fails to feel canon?
>>571223293This is bad.>>571223053>Amy is peppy up until Sonic starts talking, then she's angry for the rest of the show. All of her split versions are villains who heel turn into good guys by the end of the showAnd this is disgusting.
>>571223901Yes. The world and characterizations don't match at all, and the flashbacks that are supposed to reference the games contradict the games
>>571223609Superman 2025 is good but not really the best version of Superman. It just looks very good after years of people trying to "fix" the character or be edgy and "subversive" by making evil versions of him or versions of him.I recommend watching it though. It's good.
>>571223798Rouge and Tails are the two characters that spinoffs rarely screw anything up. it's usually one or two easily ignored details or something ubiquitous to the iteration like romance in archie.
>>571223225Amy is a shipping character and she was always defined by the nature of her relationship to Sonic. Of course, I like Sonic and Amy as individual characters and I also want to see their relationships to other characters explored but when Sonic Team makes Amy seek Sonic's love and heavily implies that Sonic likes Amy back in Sonic X, you cannot blame people for wanting Sonic and Amy to become an official couple, especially in a franchise with a fandom known for writing lots of fan fiction that explores what the games and other media did not.
I feel like modern material really tries to downplay Amy's "cutesy" elements. Any idea why that might be?
>>571223641I love that Shadow model so much. It looks so graphically nice and I really want the next mainline game to have character models of that quality
>>571217375>>571217629Ian really can't help himself, he hates this pink rat with all his heart. He's Amy's Eggman.
All this argument about windnics. I remember when Colors ultimate came out and fans were upset how rude Sonic was being to the wisps because he was bored. That was in character. Sonic is a piece of shit who does whatever he wants.
>>571224194Too many western writers, too much ESG shit, girls can't be girls anymore, they have to be guys with vaginas.
Didn't Ian consult for Sonic Prime?
>>571224479Yes, he did.
>>571224060>characters having romantic feelings for another can only be in service to shipping and nothing elseShipping is a plague.I am not gonna try and bullshit you into thinking pairing her up with Sonic wasn't expected but it wasn't the actual core point of the character to the expense of everything else.This is my problem with a lot of Sonamyfans as well. The ones that insist on her not chasing Sonic or downplaying her love for him seemingly do so under the false belief that her doing so is "getting in the way of them being official".No that's not how that works.>I like Sonic and Amy as individual characters I'm not convinced you do since you don't ever talk about anything other than what facilitates the ship, and actively demonize or downplay aspects of the characters, their history and their dynamics in service of getting to your "win condition".How much do you really like these characters when you don't respect their actual characterization?
>>571224479Yes, but they ignored him.
Prime was made by dirty Canadians
Hey Amyfags, I have an idea that will save Amy's romance with Sonic!
>>571224578Do you genuinely believe that?
>>571224194Cream and what >>571224360 said
>>571224479He did but they ignored everything other than his suggestion to have Amy have Gamma birdie with her.But they had it be a Pink generic modern Flicky design instead of the birdie designs from the games because they don't know anything.
>>571224194Sonic Team doesn't keep a tight leash on Ian and he gets away with ruining her but her cutesy elements are still present in the Japanese games and media>>571224293I despise Ian and I can't wait for him to be forced to write Amy correctly for whichever games come next and that's if he hasn't been fired. If he was fired, it would be even better
>>571224553Sonamyfags see the relationship as the main goal and will twist everything in order to get to it. Amy's actual character is lost on them, as even that can be seen as a threat on sonamy being real.The truth is that a sonamyfag isn't inherently an Amyfag.
I think Amyfags are going to have to take the hard pill that to Sonic Team Sonamy is just as OOC as satam stuff
>>571224194Is Modern Amy supposed to be cute?
Mania Team should write and develop Sonic
>>571224967Yes. Have you played SA1DC???
>>571224676... Is the idea to ship her with Misty? Not seeing how that would solve the alleged problem.
>>571224763botlabot>>571224836Exactly. It's why they push the "she's matured" narrative. It's not about liking the character. it's about winning the shipwar. people often dismiss Amy's feelings for Sonic by calling her "immature" or "insincere" or whatever so the "she matured" narrative serves their agenda. I hate it.Amy isn't supposed to be "the mature one" and her brand of love is supposed to be optimistic and romantic. She isn't supposed to be a realist. that's Rouge's thing.
>>571223120Knuckles doesn't get sissified because his main appeal is being a himbo while Silver gets sissified because he has a girlfriend that guides him
>>571224836At least you can trust SOME fans to get Sonic and Amy's dynamic.
You guys fight against windfags for wanting to avoid more shit like Archie and Prime
>>571225051I'm sorry, I just don't see it....
>>571224967Is she not? >>571224718I guess there is something to that. Amy can't be cute because Cream needs something. Amy can't be the ingenoue because Cream needs something. >>571225381This isn't their dynamic either. Though it is a funny gag.
>>571224676>Invoke a campaign of sheer terror against Sega
>>571225470>This isn't their dynamic either. Though it is a funny gag.It kinda is. I don't doubt she'd use the Lasso to make him talk, but she'd let him go after.
>>571225463She literally has the cutesy anime eyes in that very scene.https://youtu.be/pI6VTvMClUs?list=TLPQMTkwNjIwMjYIG77zlSHj7w&t=402She does it in 06 as well
>implying Sonic and Amy have a dynamicPFFFFFFFFT! Sonic would sooner kill himself than even acknowledge the idea of dating Amy.
>>571224676If Amy fags acted like this she would get vaulted
>>571225679isnt the attached pic edited
>>571224553>The ones that insist on her not chasing Sonic or downplaying her love for him seemingly do so under the false belief that her doing so is "getting in the way of them being official".I don't believe in downplaying Amy's love just for the sake of the relationship becoming official>I'm not convinced you do since you don't ever talk about anything other than what facilitates the ship, and actively demonize or downplay aspects of the characters, their history and their dynamics in service of getting to your "win condition".I really like the way Sonic was written in SA1, SA2, Unleashed, and Black Knight. I like how Amy was written in those games too and I like the way both of them are written in the Sonic Channel stories. Anyway, don't forget that Sonic is a character-driven franchise and that it thrives off the characters being written in relationship to each other. That's why making Sonic the only playable character from 2008-2017 didn't work
>>571225381>>571225641Diana would tell her to let it go. Sister, he does not love you. You gotta move on.
>>571225698>Sonic would sooner kill himself than even acknowledge the idea of datingFtfy
Knuckles, Amy and Silverfags have suffered the most from mischaracterization, but knuckles tunnelled though and found the light.>>571225470Cream should just be Amy's "little sister" because imagining Amy trying to be mature older sister but is still to immature herself.I'd say the difference is that Amy is more aware, so if cream pleads with Shadow it's because she thinks humanity is always worth believing in, she's very innocent.While Amy is aware of the bad and the degree but she actively wants to see that good and push for it. She's also innocent but the way they express it is different enough to avoid stepping on toes. Along with Amy being more confident in herself while cream is still impressionable.
>>571225929>but knuckles tunnelled though and found the light.
>>571225679>top comment is a SnapCube faggot that never played the gamesMother fuck
>>571226028>keeping knuckles in character is just leaving him next to the fucking rock
Prime Sonic is an improvement over Archie
>>571226108Shit like this is why I laugh at the constant screeching about "OOC". Being faithful to a character concept is one thing, but in this case especially, come the fuck on.
>>571225641My view is that Amy already believes Sonic loves her and is just shy so she wouldn't need to try and "get it out of him". And if she did, she would want it from him himself rather than by a trick.But again, I do think it makes for a funny gag.If I had to write it more IC though I would have a scene where Amy suggest tying it to Sonic for some other reason, like having him pull something, and he flinches or something to the idea and Amy is just confused as to why.>>571225745The unedited version does the same thing.https://youtu.be/0DuxRxbmVYk?t=52
Knuckles is ooc in the games because he keeps leaving
I don't care about Angel Island, and I don't understand why I'm supposed to. Nobody lives there.
>>571226028>>571226108>>571226293I literally don't see what you people are winging about.You act like Knuckles doesn't do anything.It's archiefags isn't it
>>571226542It keeps Knuckles in character
>>571226542It's full of animal life that will die because the change in atmosphere from sky to see would start killing vegetation life.There's this stupid ass fucking tree Amazon imported from South America to the USA and they had to build a dome around it to keep it from dying.
>Kazuyuki Hoshino: The only way for Sonic and Amy to be a romantic couple is by making Sonic run away from her as if he doesn't like her. Even though he doesn't show any signs of liking her back, he actually does in reality. Just trust bro!I will never accept this as a believable explanation for Sonic and Amy's previous dynamic. It really feels like an attempt by Sonic Team to save face after being asked why Sonic X made Sonic exhibit signs of liking Amy back but the games didn't do anything at all. The explanation makes no sense. It's like taking the phrase "fight fire with fire" literally
>>571226736Anon, Sonic doesn't care about romance. Do you think windfags just made that up to insult Archie?
>>571225929>Cream should just be Amy's "little sister" because imagining Amy trying to be mature older sister but is still to immature herself.I'd say the difference is that Amy is more aware, so if cream pleads with Shadow it's because she thinks humanity is always worth believing in, she's very innocent.While Amy is aware of the bad and the degree but she actively wants to see that good and push for it. She's also innocent but the way they express it is different enough to avoid stepping on toes. Along with Amy being more confident in herself while cream is still impressionable.I like this. One distinction though is I wouldn't describe Amy as "innocent' exactly. I would describe her as pure. But yeah those distinctions work and make sense to me.I like the idea that Amy is not really mature but she at least tries a little to be when around Cream. That's cute.
>>571226501I love this absurd catch-22. Knuckles is popular, so they want to have him be playable and put him in stories. But he's also not allowed to leave his empty island lest his useless rock be unattended for five minutes. Sega mindbroke themselves, I swear. >>571226734Okay, but no people live there. None of those flickies are actual characters, so I don't care.
I like how some 27 different fucking people officially working for Sonic have told you that Sonic doesn't want a damn relationship because bla bla bla muh fucking wind and you people still don't get it it. It's not even like they're explaining this in a complicated way or anything.
>>571226921>None of those flickies are actual charactersAn entire point of the original trilogy is that STK do care about saving animal life from Eggman.Sucks you don't care I guess, but they do.
>>571226978We know, faggot, what do you think people have been saying for the last hour?
>>571226818Game Sonic doesn't do romance. Archie Sonic is a dirty little sluthog.
>>571227051>Archie Sonic is a dirty little sluthog.hot
>>571226542What about Knuckles do you even like besides the fact he is red and punches things?His duty is the thing that makes him compelling, and his sense of duty is what fuels the contrast he has with Sonic and makes their dynamic work.
Correct me if I'm wrong but if you actively try to pair Sonic with Amy in Sonic Chronicles, Sonic still puts his foot down and downplays the idea of a relationship no matter what you do. That's weird for an optional relationship mechanic isn't it?
>>571227019>>571227019>An entire point of the original trilogy is that STK do care about saving animal life from Eggman.Okay cool, but this is a story, wherein the audience is expected to get attached to characters. >Sucks you don't care I guess, but they do.Are you seriously gonna pretend like you do?
>>571226818They didn't make that up but whatever. Sonic Team will have to make Sonic and Amy a couple next year due to Movie 4. It's coming
Lmao
>>571226460kek
>>571227162Iizuka was the character supervisor on Sonic Chronicles
>>571227126>What about Knuckles do you even likeHa! You're making some assumptions there, mate. >muh dutyOh, and is it his sense of duty that allowed him to justify sending hundreds of people to their deaths? Or is it just that he's a drooling retard who doesn't care about the lives of others? >Some of you may die, but it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make so that none of you can ever touch my rock. I hate Knuckles the Echidna.
>>571226921It's not even really about defending the rock. it's about Knuckles' character itself. Knuckles likes his island home and enjoys the peace that comes from having his duty. It's literally the point of his story in SA1.https://youtu.be/3V9szDfyNuQ?list=TLPQMTkwNjIwMjYIG77zlSHj7w&t=2665If you remove him from this, what then? Have him bumming around Sonic all the time even though Sonic ticks him off and he prefers duty?
>>571226736Controversial opinion but NuClassic does it right by just making Amy one of Sonic's friends. No romance she just shows up and helps with the adventure.
>>571226636in character Knuckles goes on adventures with his bros, having him babysit an long irrelevant magic rock 25,8,366 that we know can damn well look after itself 90% of the time is out character flynnshit that has only even been present in the comics
>winidfags say a thing>people deny it because windfags are assholes about it>turns out it's an official thing that sonic team said 7000 times there's at least 10 of these this year. Last time it was Shadow still caring about Maria's wish.
>>571227162He more or less says "maybe there is something there but I don't have it in me to get into it right now. Maybe we can figure out what it is between us in the future".
>>571226028Knuxniggers want to be a persecuted oppressed minority so much
>>571227192>Are you seriously gonna pretend like you do?On a fundamental level, Knuckles cares about the island and its creatures. This is a crucial bit of him that needs to be upheld, so yes I care.
>>571227662The problem is that Shadow ONLY cares about Maria's wish. Just like Knuckles, he just kinda stands around in one spot until the plot needs him to got hit something.
>>571227562I hate nuclassic. There was never a core 4. Boom invented the core 4. Amy was just a silly bonus tagalong kid. She was never supposed to be one of the boys. Fuck this. The group is Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles. It was never supposed to include Amy. They ruined her character to include her int the group. I fucking hate Amyfags they're the reason we have girlboss Amy because they needed her to be like that to stay in the group.
Sonic Team but it's formed by westGODS
>>571227662Windfags are assholes because everyone else is just brain-dead and refuse to actually read or experience the source material yet demand respect for it. A "larper"
>>571227835Eh. Still wouldn't result in a good game.
>>571227425God, Forces really did rape ALL the characters, didn't it? Did anyone (important) involved escape unscathed? Eggman, perhaps?
>>571227825Shadow being obsessed with Maria's wish is something reintroduced.It still informed his character but his fangirls cried.So they put it back in his bios even though it's not his main motivation.>KnucklesKnuckles tie to his island and the Master Emerald means you can have fun and interesting stories and scenarios with it though. Shadow doesn't have this.
>>571227562This is even worse because classic Amy was even crazier about Sonic than modern Amy is.
>>571227949Why
>>571227562That's bland though. Why do you consider this an improvement?I am so tired of modern audiences being afraid of friction between characters unless its relationship melodrama or "sexual tension".We need to stop treating media like a damn scoreboard.
>>571228054>Did anyone (important) involved escape unscathed?Yes, (you)
>>571228069>Shadow being obsessed with Maria's wish is something reintroduced.>It still informed his character but his fangirls cried.>So they put it back in his bios even though it's not his main motivation.it was always part of his character
I’m going to enjoy seeing 2027 prove that Sonic and Amy can be in a substantial relationship without it undermining Sonic’s character
>>571227835That's just Sega Technical institute
>>571227827>There was never a core 4.it was established in R and cemented in SA1 and the perception otherwise only got derailed because of Heroes desu. Only thing Boom did was have her treated like it because Boom made them a more proper squad rather than just Sonic and people that follow him around like in the games.
>>571228054>Did anyone (important) involved escape unscathed?Hot take? These three came out alright, shitty G.U.N retcons aside. (Hilariously, they still act like they're working for G.U.N even though the organization itself isn't named.)And yes, that includes Shadow, frankly. Zero and his goons were assholes who got what was coming to them. Shadow did nothing wrong. No, it's the shit that came after this game that fucked up his character. He's fine in Forces itself.
>>571228398>relationship>without it undermining Sonic’s characteYou're going to get bullied by a 3 way combination of windfags, archiefags, and core3fags
>>571227662I am literally only abrasive because people stubbornly dismiss me when I simply point out facts.It happens so many times, it is tiring and drives me irate.IU can understand for more obscure things like not knowing Sonic came from Christmas Island or that Sonic's shoes are boots. But basic as shit like this not being known is annoying and having to fight people on it is frustrating. this is a series where characters literally have theme songs where the lyrics explain their character to you.And Sonic has like 5 of em.
>>571228619You know, I think you're right. Team Dark really is pure kino.>>571228274>picrel
>>571228619Since when did Omega ever work for Gun?
>>571228629Windfags are going to lose the ability to say they know Sonic and Amy’s characters better than anyone and that everyone else is a fake fan. Ian will be seething because he wasn’t able to destroy Amy
>>571228284Yes, but his self titled game was all about moving on with his life. Of course he still cares about Maria, and her wish still motivates him, but it's not the end all be all of his being anymore. It's why he tosses the photo. Symbolism.
Letting windfags win means mid games will be praised and the standards will still low.
>>571226028I will never accept making Knuckles obsessed with the Master Emerald like it's his girlfriend or something. Knuckles does not act like this.
>>571228284The point of his story in his game and 06 was that he moved on.His main thing was just stopping trouble makers and fighting villains. The fact Maria wished it is tertiary. He never brings her up once since Shad05 until recently.But his fangirls only care about him if the Maria stuff is central.>but that's the character!!!!111Sigh....>>571228619Agreed.
>>571228482>it was established in R and cemented in SA1if that's true it lasted for all of 5 minutes before Cream was added to the core roster, even then Amy was already bumped down from her own solo campaign in sa1 to multiplayer only in sa2
>>571228398You hate Amy because when it inevitably does, Amy is gonna be the one that gets all the heat for it since you shiptards monopolize Amy discourse way too much.
>>571229162>midBlack Knight is a TERRIBLE game
>>571228619>>that includes Shadow... He's fine in Forces itself.>Hid from Infinite cause he knew he couldn't win.Your Shadow apologia doesn't change the fact that like everybody else in Force, Shadow couldn't do shit without Sonic.Likewise, Shadow created Phantom Ruby Infinite in the same way Sonic created the Metal Virus.
>>571229162Not really, they'll praise the mid game for having the bare minimum.While everyoone else will praise it because it's the "sonic renaissance" quality be damned.
>>571228817>Team Dark really is pure kino.Always are. >>571228925To be absolutely fair, it's mostly assumed cause it makes sense. They point him at badniks and give him maintenance. Like, why wouldn't he be a G.U.N agent/contractor?
>>571229443Forces never explains what happened to Shadow until he just appears in a cutscene saving Sonic from an illusion clone.
People don't take windfags seriously because none of their games are above 7/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cANHUR4oSXs
>>571229709And your comics, whether it be IDW or Archie, are below that.
>>571229407And what makes you think it will undermine Sonic’s character?
>>571229847I don't read comics.
>>571229347But Amy was still there and part of the squad in SA2. Same with Riders. Zero gravity, Rush.>CreamCream was only in Advance 3 though. Advance 2 Nishiyama tried to replace Amy with Cream for some reason and pushed Amy to the back of the game.And ofc Sonic X included Cream as a second girl character in the cast for TV. But that's it though. Unleashed didn't have Knuckles because they actually made him do his job, Tails and Amy are there like in SA2.
>>571229709Sa2
>>571228619Smiledow
>>571228925technically I don't think any of them actually work "For" Gun but we know they've been on call since 06
>>571229443Eh, I don't count shit like that, because that's just more Sonic glazing. Everyone gets shat on to make Sonic look better.
>>571229936too much bloat contentnobody has ever said speed stages have been improved because of chao and ring missions
>>571229917We aren't having this convo again, Shipbot.
Team Sonic/ Core 4 and Team Dark really put Team Dimensions to shame in ability to be used without dealing with a bunch of bullshit.
>>571229242>The fact Maria wished it is tertiary.Agree with everything you said except this as it's literally the fulcrum he turned on. Shadow is a good person at his core yes, that's why Maria loved and saved him. His villainy in SA2, while fueled by rage Maria's death, was driven much more by his false memories of Maria's wish. Once reminded of the truth, he dedicates his all to fulfilling it. The original Japanese dialogue of SA2 when he falls to Earth makes this undeniable, with him saying "Maria... will this do?" However the idea that he needs to constantly be bringing it back up is dumb. Shadow has "moved on", accepting a new life with new friends, but moving on from the pain doesn't mean forgetting the past. Maria and her wish are still one of important things to Shadow, if not the most, but part of her wish is for him to live life, enjoy it, and find new purposes to fulfill him. SA2 to 06 formed an excellent arc (barring the hiccup that was most of Shad05), and his trust in Rouge and Shadow along with his defiance of Mephiles at the end of his story in 06 were a fantastic capstone to the character that the games have yet to really rival since.
>be me>hate amy>Wish amy was outright removed>amy gets a new character changes>quickly realize she's boring as hell>shocked at all the "she matured!" "It's character development!" Cope>Pick up the games and re-analyzed Amy for the sole reason to prove that she did progress and got retconned>keep consooming amy related media to understand the character more and find the changes worse and more insulting like treating her like a damsel in distress when it happened in at most 3 games, one of them being her learning to stand up for herself >hate every moment I have to do this because I shouldn't have to correct the people who "love" this character when I hate her>Realize this constant exposure and has made Amy endearing to me and I had become a Amyfag wishing her character was given an ounce of respectWhat happened to me, this wasn't supposed to happen!
>>571229709What about S3&K and Mania
>>571230138I feel like the Diamond Cutters (if you want to call them a team) fuck this up to.Too bad we can't have Blaze & Marine and Tangle & Jewel because everyone wanted shipping slop instead.
>>571229945I miss Shadow being a smug bastard. He keeps yapping about being The Ultimate Lifeform because of his pride and ego. This lil' nigga unironically said "I'm the coolest!". I hate that the angst and brooding has drowned out all the smarm.
>>571230154
>>571228289unironically would be based if they did add her in
>>571230024>everyone gets shat on to make Sonic look better>in the game where the first thing that happens is Sonic getting his shit kicked in and needing the rookie to rescue him and save him from Nullspace and be the one to help him beat Infinite.Sonic Derangement Syndrome
>>571230223>Shadow has "moved on", accepting a new life with new friendsBut anon, Team Dark aren't friends, remember?Aaaaaand, i just killed the thread.
>>571230474Yes everyone that is an established character for decades gets mogged by Eggman while the OC who will never matter again gets windboosted by TWO Sonics.Sonic jobbing in the beginning is as bullshit as Shadow just mindlessly being gone for the entire period.
>Amy is a hedgehog >namd amy roseExplain
>>571230223>His villainy in SA2, while fueled by rage Maria's death, was driven much more by his false memories of Maria's wishForgot to mention this was actually a great way of showing that even Shadow's evil actions are largely driven by one of his good traits: Loyalty. He's prideful, he'll grumble and pout and even trash talk, but he is absolutely dependable, through thick and thin. The only character who has a similar level of commitment and willingness to knowingly sacrifice themselves at the drop of a hat is Tikal.>>571230676>Aaaaaand, i just killed the thread.The schizos who'd rage about this might be asleep rn, hopefully.
>>571230223>accepting a new life with new friendsShadow doesn't have friends.
>>571227827>There was never a core 4.
>>571229721hey, it's justlemres. i wonder what happened to him?
>>571230912Of course. The core 4 of Sonic, Tails, Amy, and Eggman. Nice of Knuckles to tune in via vidscreen.
>>571230085>complaining about optional side missions>>571230223>His villainy in SA2, while fueled by rage Maria's death, was driven much more by his false memories of Maria's wish.I think this is a bad read and infantilizes his character. It's like uwuver. His fangirls trying to woobify him. A more accurate read is that in SA2 he valued Maria's wish over his own anger. Maria didn't tell him to think humanity is pathetic or to be okay with genocide.> a new life with new friends, but moving on from the pain doesn't mean forgetting the pastShadow's character is about not letting the past shackle you.That was the point of his arc. That is his "thing" the way Sonic is about living in the moment and making the most of the time you have.Also Shadow doesn't consider Rouge and Omega his friends. They are trusted allies.>but Shadowfall!Anon...SMBZ isn't canon.
>>571231049He's stuck staring at the rock, as always.
bvilt for doggystyle
>>571230138And Team Chaotix puts Team Sonic/Rose/Core 4 and Team Dark to even more shame because they require even less contrivances to be teamed up. But really my point is that any bullshit preventing these team ups is arbitrary.
>>571230717Amy means “beloved”Roses symbolize romantic love and beautyRose means pink in French and symbolizes femininityAmy Rose sounds like “Amoureux”, which means “in love” in French, as a reference to Amy being in love with Sonic
>>571230337>"I'm the coolest!".dubbism.>>571230716>Yes everyone that is an established character for decades gets mogged by EggmanInfinite and the Ruby are just that OP. Which makes sense given how hard Shadow, Silver and Sonic all get rolled.Rookie saves Sonic because he just had good timing. Everything after that is because he imprinted on the Ruby prototype which gave him hax.The characters are not "made to be jobbers to make Sonic look good.They just didn't get any Glaze themselves in the game.
Why does Shadow need friends when that's supposed to be Sonic's thing?
>>571231069>Also Shadow doesn't consider Rouge and Omega his friends. They are trusted allies.Uh huh.
>>571231069I will complain about the side missions because if an appeal of this franchise is being able to control the characters, then every moment should feel cool and free and not some mundane check list.But nobody here plays games and might as well just be watching Youtube.
Team Dark aren't friends they're comrades and also Rouge reminds Shadow of Maria
>>571230892friendship can exist in many forms anon
>>571231317Eat me Fiona!
>>571230912I just noticed that Knuckles isn't even there. Eggman is on drums in the back. Knuckles is just a screen projection.Is it projecting from Angel Island?
>>571231370I think you're just making stuff up to complain about.
Hello /sthg/!
Stop shipping those two anons together they're sibling coded
>>571231438Shadow isn't friends with Rouge and Omega, though. Not only is this an official statement, they never act like friends or are called friends in the games.
>>571231620You're just now figuring that out?
>>571231620Making what up? That I play the videogames and will judge them on all fronts?
>>571231398>Rouge reminds Shadow of Mariano she doesn't.
Team Dark don't actually hang out much aside from heroes and 06 so they likely haven't formed that deep of a connection, they're the opposite of Team Sonic, all selfishly using each other heroes, and ultimately split away but seem to have grown some attachment to each other but likely none of them would outright admit that.They're comrades.
>>571231796Rouge consistently spends more time around Sonic than Shadow
>>571218564the problem is i dont want kids
>>571231796Exactly.
>>571231912To late, Tails pregnant with your kids and is epecting soon.
>>571218564Chowder is funnier than Sonic.
https://youtu.be/hy9Knex35ag
Gaslighting. >psychological manipulation of a person usually over an extended period of time that causes the victim to question the validity of their own thoughts, perception of reality, or memories and typically leads to confusion, loss of confidence and self-esteem, uncertainty of one's emotional or mental stability, and a dependency on the perpetratorRepeat a lie often enough, and people will start to believe it.
>it's another episode of pretending Shadow isn't friends with anyone because anon doesn't want him shipped with anyone but Maria
>>571231796>Team Dark don't actually hang out much aside from heroes and 06They don't hang out in those games either. Everything they do togeher is because of an objective. They are never seen just chilling out together like Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles have been.
>>571232134Chowder is a comedy. Sonic isn't.>Bu-That why it SUCKED!
>>571231069>I think this is a bad read and infantilizes his character.There's nothing infantilizing about it. Shadow saw the most important person of his life murdered right in front of him, because of him, and was helpless to do anything. Half a century later he wakes up. It's like Captain America but evil.> A more accurate read is that in SA2 he valued Maria's wish over his own anger.Yes, once he got the full context he changed. That doesn't contradict what I said at all.>Maria didn't tell him to think humanity is pathetic or to be okay with genocide.Not in reality, but Gerald fucked with his memories somehow and that's what he was operating off of until Last Story.>Shadow's character is about not letting the past shackle you.Yes, shackle. It wasn't "forget everything and everyone you ever knew and just do something totally new." SA2, Heroes, Shad05, and 06 show that the past and continuity are important to Shadow. He wants to know the truth about himself, he struggles with the possibility of being an android, he laments Omega's disrepair the first time he and Rouge are in the future, and so on and so on.>Also Shadow doesn't consider Rouge and Omega his friends. They are trusted allies.I'd argue that Team Dark are beyond simple trusted allies and honestly even friends for Shadow, but are essentially new family. Mephiles told him to his face that Omega would kill him once Iblis got unleashed and Shadow was blamed, and Shadow, after some time to process this, chose to still trust and stand with Omega, who in turn backed him up against Mephiles. That's not mere "trusted ally" behavior. Team Dark's bond, though distinct from something like Sonic and Tails, is meant to be understood through a similar lens of found family.
>>571232134Well yeah it's a comedy show
This is beating a dead horse at this point, but the only reason anyone thinks Team Dark are friends are because of Archie, but I think even there they just acted like coworkers.
Shadow wouldn't fuck Hope btw. That's just a girl with Maria's face.
>>571232192I will never understand the desire or appeal of forcing characters to be friendless losers who don't do anything unless it's their designated actions in the plot.
>>571232443
>>571231143>boost gameplayWhen?
>>571231317Brush your fucking teeth, fucking freak.
>>571232246>but are essentially new family.You're making these posts just to get a reaction out of people here, aren't you?
>All Hail Shadow, heroes rise again>Obliterating everything that's not your friendWhat did they mean by this?
>>571232243Chowder: Shippuden when?
>>571232550I guess its really stretching it, but the chaos emerald bonus stages are like a really fucked up form of boost
>>571232461But most of the cast are friends. Why is it important for Shadow, Rouge, and Omega to do it? Wouldn't that just make them like everyone else instead of being anything unique?
This is what I'm talking about. Sega's "vision" for the games is so boring. Everyone is forced into this extremely narrow box that isn't even consistent with their prior appearances, and relationships are either generic, convoluted, or outright toxic. And you can't express that this shit is not entertaining without some obsessed freak whining about a dead comic book.
>>571231485Probably. >>571231107
>>571232461Stop self inserting
>>571232404>Didn't play SA2, Heroes, or 06>>571232443Shadow wouldn't fuck Hope for the same reason he'd never fuck Rouge or Amy or anyone else: he's a hyper-romantic volcel.>>571232614Care to explain how I'm wrong?
>>571232792You are demanding a narrative for a series that has an ending in sight. Sonic is a kids video game series that is supposed to go on forever. Why is this hard for you retards to grasp?
>>571232717The song itself is not canon because it implies that Shadow has friends. >>571232753Because it's fun for a bunch of edgy anti-heroes to genuinely care about each other. Just look at Zero Gravity, where Rouge and Shadow were bullying everyone. That was a blast.
>>571232246>There's nothing infantilizing about it. Shadow saw the most important person of his life murdered right in front of him, because of him, and was helpless to do anything. Half a century later he wakes up. It's like Captain America but evil.The infantilizing part isn't any of that. It's the idea he was a cinnamon role prior. All the material supports the idea he was already an edgy hedgy prior. Maria and him just bonded because she saw past it and befriended him anyway.>but Gerald fucked with his memories somehow and that's what he was operating off of until Last Story.There is no evidence Gerald made Shadow misremember Maria's wish. From what we know he put the imperative for the ARK sequence in him.This is what I mean by infantilizing him. Shadow is a character with 0 autonomy or agency in your version. Which, okay. That's a fine read for the context of SA2. But his arc in the future games was him developing his own identity and motivations instead of being an NPC that just does what Gerald or Maria wanted.Or even just doing what everyone else wants of him in general.> and 06 show that the past and continuity are important to Shadow. No they don't.SA2 does, and it was bad.Heroes and Shadow05 show it was bad. And ends in him saying fuck my past.06 shows him saying fuck my past is good.>I'd argue that Team Dark are beyond simple trusted allies and honestly even friends for Shadow,Shadowfall isn't canon either
>>571232867>Didn't play SA2, Heroes, or 06Where is th3 friendship in those games?
>>571232972>>571232972>You are demanding a narrative for a series that has an ending in sight.You are making shit up. I want some goddamn energy, some SOUL injected into this bitch. I get nothing but tired out of current era Sonic.
>>571231357Would you say then that the ruby is a purposely contrived macguffin to enforce Sonic's power of inspiration triumphing all? That the ruby is a cheap object that only carries the narrative significance of lies and cruelty that falters in the face of genuine companionship?
>>571232717>>571232973>The song itself is not canon because it implies that Shadow has friends.The read is obviously that Shadow wont hesitate to trounce anyone that gets in his way. Including people he would consider allies. Because Shadow has no true friends.
Tikal eating a burger
>>571232973Shadow and Rouge weren't in Zero Gravity's story, you poser fan.
>>571232743oh right
humping my maria plushie
>obliterating everything that's not your friendso shadow obliterates everything that isn't maria
>"They never acted like friends before!"Telling on yourself, mate.
>>571226415How many girls are.
Oh no~
>>571232792Literally everyone correcting you is actually doing work to show how the characters' relationships are more nuanced, and your the one complaining they aren't more generic though.Team Dark being comrades that trust eachother more than anyone else but still aren't conventionally friends is more nuanced and interesting than just "they are friends".
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>>571233235>UM ACKTUALLYReally? This is the level you're sinking to right now? >>571233216Not canon, she ONLY ever eats pizza because that's what the Sonic Channel art shows her eating. Any other food is OOC and blatantly disrespecting Sega's vision.
>>571233102>You are making shit upNo, that's you. You're obviously frustrated because you're in the wrong franchise and should go to another one that suits your needs.
onic loves Amy back; he's just not interested in being tied down.Rouge was intended to be Knuckles' love interest, not Shadow's.Shadow and Maria were lovers; they lived together *like* siblings. They were not siblings.Nicole was conceived as Sally's baby, not her girlfriend.Tails is not "unlucky with women"; all of his love interests are non-canon.Shadow and Sonic aren't gay.Topaz and Rouge aren't gay.Shadow and Sonic are the same age.Maria and Amy are the same age.Tikal and Silver are the same age.Shadow says peoples' names. He does not call Amy "Rose".Ninety-nine percent of Shadouge and Shadamy content just uses Sonic's characterization for Shadow because the artist forgot that Sonic isn't Peter Parker.Shadow isn't the "chill, calm, and collected guy." He's alert, serious, and dangerous.Sonic characters do not say "Oh my Chaos". They use "God". Christianity exists in-universe.Knuckles isn't some tribal warrior like in the movies.There is no such thing as the "Meta Era".Forces, Colors, and Lost World are all perfectly in-character in Japanese, and none of them meet the definition of "Meta".Shadow doesn't hate or bully Tails.Shadow wasn't based on the Hidden Palace mural.G.U.N. did not intentionally frame Sonic in place of Shadow.Sonic and Shadow do not call each other faker.Amy is slower than all members of Team Sonic.Shadow, Rouge, and Omega are not friends.Sonic doesn't hang out with this "friend group" all the time. He goes where he wants.
>>571233389BETRAYED and TRAPPED
People on X are finally turning on Duofag
>>571211813Female posters, add me on d/scord: zhotcallerIf you like gaming,mori, loli, animes, kemonos, creative and artistic hobbies, AVGN, Pokemon, Fate series, Dragon Quest, Monster Hunter, Bravely Default, Fire Emblem, Limbus Company, Final Fantasy, Digimon, Disgaea, Monogatari, Mega Man, RWBY, Touhou, /m/ shows, plus others
>>571232243>>571232336>implying Sonic isn't a comedy
>>571233457>Really? This is the level you're sinking to right nowYou're trying to act like you know shit when you don't.
>>571233106>Would you say then that the ruby is a purposely contrived macguffin to enforce Sonic's power of inspiration triumphing all?I would say the Ruby exists to explain how Eggman wins and to facilitate the themes of the game around friendship, delusions/illusions etc.You're working your way backwards to justify an existing position that isn't supported by the actual game.
>>571233409>nuancedThe co-workers thing is a lie, and more to the point, not remotely interesting. Them being jerks who don't care about each other and only tolerate each others existence out of pragmatism is not fun. You really are actively refusing to register the actual point here.
Tails farming aura
>>571233598Wow you haven’t been here in a while. I forgot you existed. Fuck back off nigger.
>>571233572>>571233389i see sega's attempts at fixing amy's image were all for naught
If it isn't in the games it's OOC trash. You can fuck off trying to justify it. You can't change my mind. Idiots.
>>571233595Duocuck will never realize how insufferable he is to everyone.
>>571233616It has comedic elements but it's an action adventure series
>>571233595That sick freak ships Sonurge
>>571233687The co-workers thing was referring to Archie which is seen as the pinnacle of Team Dark friendship. Team Dark never lookef like friends anywhere.
>>571233595Every time I see duo>Just put the slop in the bagMother fucker has an ego of an artist but without any skill.
>>571233687You can have trust in someone and care for someone without acknowledging them as a friend, that's what comrades are.
I love Tails!
99% of team dark fags are rougefags trying to keep their bat woman relevant at the expense of shadow, shadowfags have no re ason to give a crap about team dark, just like shadow, he got no reason to give a crap about team dark or rouge. they are just "useful assets"
>>571233595Go back
>>571233769>>571234050>>571234076If it's not fun, why bother?
>>571234268>shadowfags have no re ason to give a crap about team darkFowler opened my eyes to this.
>>571234356If you want new characters make new characters
Is the Cleansweep Arc of IDW the most impactful and controversial storyline of IDW?
>>571233501Sonic characters do not say "Oh my Chaos". They use "God". Christianity exists in-universe.>Shadow says peoples' names. He does not call Amy "Rose".>Sonic and Shadow do not call each other faker.Yeah I'm tired of these fanon memes.>Knuckles isn't some tribal warrior like in the movies.Ehhhh, not like in the movies but he still is. He just isn't like a tarzan type character or anything.>There is no such thing as the "Meta Era".Yes there is.>Forces, Colors, and Lost World are all perfectly in-character in Japanese, and none of them meet the definition of "Meta".What makes it the Meta Era isn't the writing. its the changes made to the series at the type made the experience of being a Sonic fan Meta.>G.U.N. did not intentionally frame Sonic in place of Shadow.CorrectShadow looking like Sonic is also NOT because of his beta design. You are just expected to accept in universe they look similar. This worked at the time for everyone up to 2011.>Amy is slower than all members of Team Sonic.This feels more like agenda pushing than a fact. Amy is comparable to Tails in speed.>Sonic doesn't hang out with this "friend group" all the time. He goes where he wants.Correct
>>571233457if that's her canon favorite food why doesn't anyone post fanart of Tikal stuffing her face full of pizza?and getting fat afterwards
Yeah!
>>571234356That's subjective, pal.
Sometimes I take a second to think about this fandom, and I realize that /sthg/ is little more than a vocal minority of shills screeching into the void. And I breathe I sigh of relief that the insane, bootlicking nonsense here has no real influence on anything.
>>571234461Christianity doesn't exist, they all praise Allah.
sometimes I wish NAMEFAG would pin my down and fuck my pussy until NAMEFAG cums inside me and gets me pregnant
>>571234461>This feels more like agenda pushing than a fact. Amy is comparable to Tails in speed.Not really
>>571233670>to facilitate the themes of the game around friendship, delusions/illusions etc.And the rubies themselves are junk compared to the one Eggman has. All the power Infinite was given was born out of a hollow partnership with Eggman that contrasts against Sonic and the Avatar.Eggman could win any other bizarre reason, he gets the drop against Super Sonic years prior. The ruby giving Eggman a win is an insignificant manner.So what position am I supporting that doesn’t exist in the game then?
>>571232991>It's the idea he was a cinnamon role prior.Never said anything about him being some "cinnamon role" before Maria's death, just that he's fundamentally a good person. Good comes in many forms. >There is no evidence Gerald made Shadow misremember Maria's wishThis is a staggering level of disconnect from the story. Gerald 100% fucked with Shadow's mind, including omitting the most important parts of Maria's final words.>Shadow is a character with 0 autonomy or agency in your version.Not true and it's very dishonest of you to say so. Even in SA2, Shadow makes several choices that lead to him remembering the full story, and his decision to save the world still has merit. By your logic, Ryland Grace from PHM has "0 autonomy or agency".>No they don't.God this is pathetic. SA2 doesn't say "it was bad", literally the opposite. Shadow's switch from villain to hero literally happens cause Amy helps him remember the full truth. Heroes ends on an open-ending where Shadow acknowledges he might not ever know whether he's the original or a copy, but he can still choose to do what he feels is right. Shadow's story in 06 is literally all about the past and its consequences on the present and future, with him having imprisoned Mephiles in a time loop while Mephiles fearmongers Shadow with an unjust death after Iblis is unleashed, with Shadow choosing to stand by what he believes in, regardless of what the rest of the world says or does. Shad05 is the only one where being stuck in the past leans towards the negative side, but it's not clean cut there either, and the fact Eggman tells Shadow that he's not a copy but the original during the Devil Doom fight is a sign of that. Shad05 represents the point where Shadow is fully unshackled from his past, but unshackling doesn't mean totally disconnected.>Shadowfall isn't canon eitherI've no idea why you keep bringing up something from Archie when I've solely stuck to the games.
core4fags are amy fags trying to keep their girl relevant. sonicfags, tailsfags and knucklesfags have no reason to care about core4. since STK already exists and has always been a thing. amyfags will even go the extra step and try to replace knuckles by having him station on angel island so that STK is STA
>>571234524they're not friends broIizuka said so.
Friendow faga are not Shadow fans because when people try to explain to them how Shadow is supposed to act they end up calling his character garbage and should've stayed dead.
>>571233880Next you'll tell me that Dragon Ball isn't a comedy.
Knuckles should get a cape that can flow in the wind. And make a dramatic enterance with his cape swaying.
>>571234780It isn't What, do you think the MCU is a comedy?
>>571232461Team Dark the clue's in the fucking name, they are renegade anti-heroes too cool for all that buddybuddybullsshit Shadow is a cold unfeeling Black ops science experiment with a tragic pastRouge is a cold unfeeling femme fatale secret agent/jewel thief, who is only ever secretly not a complete backstabbing bitch And Omega is literally a cold unfeeling killer deathbotand whatever feelings they may or maynot secretly have for each other become pointless and antithetical to their characters if they're not a secrets any more
Is Emerald Town(Battle) canon?
>>571234780Dragon Ball is ComedyZ is Action with comedy that becomes more comedic by Buu saga.Daima is a comedy.>>571234883It's not yet they treat as if it were one! FUCK MCU
>>571234916>And Omega is literally a cold unfeeling killer deathbotNot really, Omega had a more energetic and riled up personality in Heroes. In 06 they made him "generic robot character"
Omega literally tried to kill Rouge on the Sonic channel stories. They aren't friends.
>>571234916I think Omega makes a quip about weight coming off his shoulders in the Bingo Highway stage too.They’re assholes to each other too when given the chance.
>>571234524So why are you on /sthg/ if you agree with the fandom outside of it???
>>571234916>Shadow is a cold unfeeling>Rouge is a cold unfeeling>And Omega is literally a cold unfeeling
>>571235102>friends don't rib eachother and engage in bantsI guess I shouldn't expect /sthg/ to know what friendship is like
>>571234916Shadow is not cold unfeeling. but only towards certain people.Rouge only likes gems. and yeah she's a selfish back stabbermachines don't feel
>>571235275Shitty friend.
>>571234649>Its a Tailsfag saying thisIn Sonic Battle, they both have the same level speed rating.
>>571235191Those characters aren't friends. The people running the series already stated it.
I am a windfag but I don't hate OOC sonics so I guess that might disqualify me as a windfag. Movie Sonic is cute.
>>571235316>Battle stats>Battle at all
>>571235191When the franchise says they aren’t friends, then they aren’t friends. and things they say that can be interpreted them having negative views on each other enforces that concept.It would be more realm in friendly bants if Knuckles said something like that to Sonic or Tails.
Chronicles what's the status on the wolf pack
>>571235467I'm a windfag only when the wind blows in my direction thus making me it's vessel.
>>571234701>And the rubies themselves are junk compared to the one Eggman has.But they weren't. Rookie used it and it worked. >Eggman could win any other bizarre reason, he gets the drop against Super Sonic years prior.And then he loses in like the same week.Eggman in Forces had 99.9% of the world for 6 months straight.
>>571216878He's going to rape SilverBlaze is protecting him see
>>571234970>ZZ is a Toei invention for the anime, and it's funny how DB kinda has the same Classic/Modern split issue Sonic has because of this.
>>571234708>including omitting the most important parts of Maria's final words.prove it.>Shadow makes several choices that lead to him remembering the full storyNo he didn't though. He is following the Gerald plan from start to finish until Amy reminds him.>Shadow's switch from villain to hero literally happens cause Amy helps him remember the full truth. Shadow wanted to commit genocide because of an atrocity committed 50 Years ago. Maria is his reminder to not let the past atrocity control his actions. It's not about Maria's wish itself being super important. That's not the message.That's not any kind of message.
Amy runs fast because she works hard. Tails is just a genetic freak of nature, pile of scum undeserving of life. Sonic thinks he's nice but a mercy kill would be nicer. Tails should not exist, and his existence only makes God angry.
Sonic loves Tails and they run fast together
>>571235470Why are you like this Tailsbro? What is there to gain?
>>571235602My point is that the true gem was never trusted onto Infinite because Eggman never had full confidence with Infinite for whatever reasons he could have. Sonic in contrasts gives all his genuine support to the Avatar.And I don’t care about the gem giving Eggman a win. I don’t see anything significant about it other than simply moving the plot along in this manner.Anyway, again I ask what position am I supporting that doesn’t exist in the game then?
not friends, but a family
Time converts more than reason, Sonas Paine said.
>>571236117I'm just real like that
>>571236123POV: Your reflection is staring back at you
>>571236129That it supposedly only exists to make Sonic's friends look bad to facilitate Sonic being inspiring. There isn't any correlation.
>>571236305He likes to research and rehearse his epic reddit essays
>>571236257What's so real about this? Explain your logic
>>571233595The only good thing he’s done is rightfully shit on Woefag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVyRL-Omf4AGood night.
>>571236404Well his friends are worthless in the game without him.His inspiration only goes so far, and it was entirely stripped from Tails despite having the most exposure to Sonic.
>>571235153Acting like they don't give a shit is their whole deal, "I don't have time for this" is practically Shadow's catchphrase, fucking tourists
>>571236530That the stats mean nothing and that Battle is a poorly told story made by a B team which didn't know what they were doing
Shadow doesn't care if Rouge dies. In the DC crossover he wasn't upset when the earth was destroyed and just promised Maria he would move on to the next earth.
If a sonic game made by Sonic Team it sucks and oocIf it not made by Sonic Team is canon
Anon, get new material. This is getting boring
You repeat too much
>>571236678>That the stats mean nothingExplain>Battle is a poorly told story made by a B team which didn't know what they were doingBattle's story is fun though and Emerl's arc is great. Even if it wasn't I don't see why it is relevant. What is your angle?
Sonic would vote for Ronald Reagan. Reagan talked a lot about freedom, so why wouldn't he? Except that Sonic is probably too young to vote.
Criticism of Sonic Team should be banned for being OOC.
>>571236739Sounds ooc, I think Shadow would care simply for the fact Maria wanted him to protect THAT earth, so that means Shadow FAILED her, he should be confidently heading for the task of fixing this and making sure whoever did that is raped by him for being foolish enough to oppose CHADow the ULTIMATE CHADform
>>571236952Sonic wouldn't even vote. No Sonic's freedom isn't the same as American president's.
>>571236607G’night
>>571237059Sonic would kill americans for not being windy enough, he's the inspiration from what Americans should be yet they're nothing like him. He'd gladly kill us all unless we proved to be as free as the wind and make America WIND again!
does it smell nice?
I don't wanna argue so I'll just dump this here>To Sonic, Tails is like a cute little brother figure who looks up to him, and also a dependable partner. He spins his two tails like propellers to accelerate, and can even fly through the air…! He’s a trustworthy presence who somehow keeps up with Sonic’s speed and even rescues him from danger with his flying ability.>Plus, Tails’s mechanical skills and sharp mind support Sonic in countless ways.>Sonic places immense trust in Tails, who expands his horizons and sometimes even lights the way forward.>But the greatest strength of this duo is surely their “bond of the heart.”>Sonic is certain that with Tails, and Tails is certain that with Sonic, they can overcome any crisis.>They understand what the other needs without needing to say a word. Perhaps something beyond mere trust exists between them.>These two will surely continue dashing through countless adventures together. As the fastest and greatest duo…!tl; dr: Tails and Sonic are fast by themselves and that's it
If Sonic is the wind then why doesn’t he create a Blue Spot on Earth to mog the Red Spot on Jupiter?
>>571237253Smells like Sonic's Feet after an adventure.>>571237328The earth doesn't deserve it. Not windy enough he'd sooner had a blue spot on jupitar to mog the earth harder.
>>571236952Ronald Reagan didn't believe in freedom. He manufactured problems in the US and then tried to solve it, destroying Black communities. Plus he did something with PATCO strike. Struck down the Fairness Doctrine. He's just a one note jerk and a big oof.
>>571237271Oh so its just shipping autism. Got it
TL;DR: Amy is as fast as Tails!
windnic would be cooler if he was a straight up psychopath who only cared about fun and amusement and didn't care about friendships. like meme goku.
Amy brapping Sonic’s cum into my mouth to make it more like the wind
>>571237440It isn't. Tails is Sonic's fastest and overall best companion. This isn't up for debateBtw I don't hate Amy or anything I'm sure she's a nice partner to Sonic also since Sonic values all his friends. But the go to guy for Sonic is Tails, since Tails can keep up with him very well
>The Derpmyposter was the Sonailshipper all along.
>>571237709Anon... I think you might be suffering from being a little retarded
Rape Amy's butt!
Frontiers sucked
>>571233752Good, honestly. The funny part is that this legitimately puts AI YouTube slop more in character than IDW.
>tails is fast>can't outrun my dick in his assFraud, rape isn't fun when they're SLOW
i dont even ship my ship
>>571226415
>>571237637>making it a competition
>>571238023You were the one who said Amy's speed was comparable to Tails' when it isn't dudeOr someone else said that. Whatever. That's why I brought up Amy
>>571238020
>>571235867>>571236672>ActingYes, ACTING. Their personalities mean they don't express their mutual care and respect in lovey-dovey trite, and ribbing one another comes naturally to Rouge and Shadow, but that's a world of difference from "cold unfeeling">fucking touristsThe call is coming from inside the house, anon.
Sonic 2's Special Stage music has been stuck in my head for the last 17 minutes
>>571238170>when it isn't.You haven't provided any evidence to debunk it though. You just made a platitude about how Tails needs to be above everyone else.That's not an argument. That's character laundering.
Amy? As fast as Tails.
>>571238314Tails and Sonic are the fastest and greatest duo
>>571238258>the 06 meme againEven if I give it to you with no deliberation, 06 didn't happen so it doesn't matter.
Who should replace Sonic Team?
>>571238272https://youtu.be/Bd8d4t73wC4
>>571238515Team Ninja
<3
>>571238392Tails isn't even as fast as Shadow.
Quickest Sonic Characters.>Speed tier 1SonicShadowBlazeAmyEggmanEspio>Speed tier 2KnucklesBigSilverMarineCreamVanilla>Speed tier 7Tails
Faster or not, Amy is cuter than Tails.
>>571238515RGG Studio or Hardlight
>>571238515anyone honestly
>>571238348What cutscene was this animation for lol
anal with amyanal with tailswho will make me cum faster
>>571238692Shadow isn't Sonic's companion
>>571238803No lies detected
>>571238803Careful, you'll piss off the Tailspedo.
>Tailsfags vs Amyfags
>>571238932Fails loses in the end because he's the worst character not shitmy is as bad as him.
Again I don't hate Amy
Soooo..... are we posting エミー???
http://giantbomb.com/articles/sonic-the-hedgehog-finally-makes-sense>17.5 years and it’s still laser accurate Things are never going to change with sonic, are they…
>>571239241>giantbombWhat we do here is go back
>>571239241Jeff was so fucking based. Same guy who gave twilight princess an 8.8 and told Kane and Lynch to fuck off. We don’t get people like that in the industry anymore. It’s just not possible
>>571238421>06 didn't happen so it doesn't matterIgnoring that ST wrote Team Dark to be coherent with their prior characterization, right down to Shadow being with G.U.N. as per the end of Shad05, Heroes is also sufficient. Not sure if you've even played it, but either way this vid helps show the developing friendship between them, Of special interest is at 6:15 in, where Rouge and Omega have a short discussion about Shadow's true nature, showing she kept her belief that he wasn't the original to herself to avoid troubling him.https://youtu.be/qZ4aUW-ZBMk?si=-L8liCTZxIKWuSh6Also there's Shad Gens which just reinforces all this.
>>571239241He said that Sonic games should get rid of all automation and there should be no moments where you aren’t in 100% control (based), says Sonic CD is the best Sonic game (based and windpilled), and that shadow should have his gun again (based based based)
>>571239241>Unleashed bad cameraDid it?? I'm trying to think about when it's been bad, but it's a pretty okay camera.
Eggman!I don't want to disturb you but they paid me to tell you you're overdue on-
Team Dark aren't friends.Characters' In-Depth's video has ruined discourse on the characters,
I'll never forgive this fanbase for giving us forces.
>>571240464forces isn't that bad
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>>571240629It's so mid I'd rather play 06. Only thing worse boom because it's all the quality of 06 and all the snoozefest of forces.
>>571240345I bet Hope hates being an Overlander and desperately wishes she was mobian, instead of being exiled.
>>571239224Don't we always?
>>571240629there are dozens of games id rather play than it
>Be me>Tailsfag>Like the idea of him getting with someone>Don't care for any of popular ships that get all the attention>MfwAnyone else in this boat?
>>571240708What's with Gun agent women and being closeted mobian fuckers?
>>571240787>Be me>Tailsfag>
>>571240787No
>>571241460didn't tails actually kiss auto fi?
Something you might interesting is that they've done the math and smol Mario (the non Supersized one following mushroom consumption) is 3' 5" so even the at his shortest, she's canonically taller than the 3'3" Sonic:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8oLQsLnrM
>>571241632He must be REALLY thick to still be talled than lanknic.
>>571239224>>571240742Yes!
>>571241518yeah
>(You): *dies*
>>571240787Tails in my fic is looking for his missing daughter, and every adult woman sees him as easy stepdad material
>>571241410It's okay, anon. Really.>>571241460At least someone's happy>>571241989Link? Just finished a long fic that was pretty comfy. It did not stick the landing, but regardless I could use something new to get lost in before I decide to reread all of Eternal Tails again for the 3rd time.
>>571241689>He must be REALLY thick to still be talled than lanknic.@ 04:35 there is a discussion of Mario's weight and with the conclusion that no real official # being given besides a range from various rumored sources with the closest supposedly @ 70kg in the included booklet for the 80s Mario Anime movie so ~154 lbs or a calculated BMI in non-Super form of 64 which is morbidly obese.Does Sonic have an official given weight for comparison?
>>571242018
>Athena;>Quiet and broody; She larps as a wolf and is proud of her upbringing.Aerial>Social; Tries to be normal but her wolf heritage keeps showing itself.
crazy that egghitler made a fuckdoll of fiona just for tails
>>571242363>egghitler made a fuckdoll of fiona just for tails
>>571242317
>Play gens>rooftop run(orange roofs)>Quick step section>what if I just didn't?>Sonic just flies to the side if he hits a wall with no speed lossI'm starting to think gens popularity is because this game bassically idiot proof and sucks your dick for it.
>>571242361>You are inside two wolves
>>571242565
>>571242572People don't wanna admit it but a lot of people's issues with the games comes from people not being able to git gud at the games and just blaming the game for everything.I've seen people complain about the game not just being holding forward and boost....only to then complain when they get just that for not being engaging.
>>571242690
>>571242731Lovely rat, no one can make me hate her!
Yes.. Amy.. Good..
>>571242834
>>571242892Me neither! I love her!
>>571232792Go read Palcomix or Crashdow. That's clearly what you want.
>>571242731
>>571243091To be fair anon, the franchise would be boring no matter what Sega did.
>>571243108
>>571243228
>>571242834>>571242994So the mandates say Shadow has to fuck Rouge?
I miss that one Amyfag who was a scholar for all things Amy related...
>>571243334nah. it's evan having her little fun
>>571234364"Amy, wake up!"
>>571243379Now when you say "scholar"...
I hate that mods in gens mainly stage mods are so incompatible at times, a mod that changes the level design can't be paired with a mod that changes the skybox without breaking it or not taking effect.I just want to play unleashed additions with the misty green hill mod.Also not nearly enough ost mods
If you love amy you understand she loves sonic and you'll set free to love him.You cannot force Amy to marry you.
>>571243735I can marry both Amy and Sonic
>so many images of amy to the point I'll need an Amy folder on my tablet not just my pcStop posting Amy I have to many Amys they're clogging my sonic folder...
>>571244110Mine, too, but I don't intend to stop.
>>571244110
>>571243967this is how classicfags saw sonic in the 2000s
>So powerful she forces you to dedicate an entire folder all to herself and right next your HeartName a better character. You cannot.
hornymy
>>571244383I've got 8000 tails pics and variants.
>waking up to amy postersgood way to start the day
>>571244427
Sonamy sucks. Sonurge is better
i got a sonic folder. just not that big. it got sonic lore info, blogs from key people, some fanart. and low quality shitposting
>>571244670both suck
no one cares lol
Surge is shit, there is no character with a better premise than surge and kit whose premise is butchered by two liberal writers who can only make her act like a rebellious jobber.
>>571244890I meant, with a good concept but later on the debut kills her.
>>571244816Sonamy is act bad and has no story potential. Just boring love ar first sight. No development while Sonurge is actually cute and tells a story
The personality we all want back for modern Amy
>>571245383Amy never had a good personality
Uh, getting kinda spooky. Rogue AI on the loose?
>>571245301i still think both are dumb, duo
