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The Council Edition

SSE Patch Notes
Creation Update
https://bethesda.net/en/article/4ORD7tshfmHUN8H4ULSgE4/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-special-edition-creations-update-patch-notes
Others
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Special_Edition_Patch

>Mods, Modding Guides, and FAQs
https://www.tesgeneral.com/

>/tesg/'s characters
https://rentry.org/tesgrosters

>character sheet workdocs (svg + png)
https://mega.nz/folder/IFRhTLDR#zuf3jzqNvhlOgwu-ynim8g

>Lore and Lore Accessories
https://www.imperial-library.info/
https://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Main_Page

>/tesg/'s sister threads:
>>>/aco/teslg/ - /tesg/ Adult General (not dead but slow)

>mega treasure trove of RUASLEEP and pre-AE USSEP patches, as well as OSex/OSA archives
https://mega.nz/folder/MzJzBSAR#H1K65jVzjSk11_JtGIP0ng

>USSEP patches
https://rentry.org/mq2b8
>minimal starting modlist geared towards returning users
https://rentry.org/6wfys
>comprehensive combat mod list and guide for anyone
https://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=gameplay
>gear list for gear people
https://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=armor
https://www.tesgeneral.com/doku.php?id=weapons
>monster and quest guides
https://rentry.org/y4te7ki5
https://rentry.org/gdcmg9wt

>/tesg/ mods and followers
https://rentry.org/fif5kswd

Elder Thread: >>571436094
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>>571543016
what a fag
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Third for butts.>>571543230
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>>571543314
Butt it's not tushy tuesday yet.
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>>571543016
Sharts-The-Bed
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>>571542989
Right now on the supporter image section I see two dick pics, seven nude waifus and some skimpy clothing waifu pics. So, yes?
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>>571543646
Proof?
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>>571543646
Eat all that and that's how you end up back with Fat Snake.
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What's the most appropriate Sonic the Hedgehog/Crush 40 song for each Skyrim boss fight?
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>>571543580
i would berry my face so deep in that ass and who ever pulls me up would be crowned High King Torygg of Skyrim.
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>>571543720
https://files.catbox.moe/h5qt4v.jpg

>>571543793
Worth it

>>571543878
Pretty much any song from the Shadow the Hedgehog game soundtrack.

That soundtrack is kino btw
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>>571543938
>anal_vore unbirthing
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>>571543793
Suckable toes tuesday.
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>>571543580
it's magnetic legs monday
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Answer my question, you damn jews
>>571540937
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>>571543016
I don't trust this one he makes me nervous.
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is it possible to read an esp as text data or does it have to be binary? Say I want to make a minimalist program for editing esps en masse so I can easily modify all armor and weapon values without loading the construction kit, could I do that?
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>>571543878
>>571543997
unironically
>I Am All Of Me (Harkon)
>His World (Alduin)
>What I'm Made Of (Miraak)
>Knight of the Wind (Ebony Warrior)
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>>571543878
>Skyrim boss fight
>Skyrim
>boss fight
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>>571544630
Get Skyrim Reputation. Do the Cidhna Mine quest and then wait for a letter from Madanach that makes you friendly to (most) Forsworn.
Then just start doing "evil" quests in general so your reputation goes to shit and everyone hates you
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>>571544630
Theoretically you can just make an xedit patch to put yourself into the faction but that would more than likely break everything

Alternatively you can just download a bunch of followers and make your own bandit camp, rack up bounties and play pretend using Skyrim Reputation
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>>571545135
>45k animations
>takes around 2 seconds
Dont know how you guys manage to get those times.
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>>571544630
get the 'AI conquer territories' advanced AI mod, it has forsworn in it.
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No more preset fus past this line
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>>571545343
It's a mystery. I don't run it often enough to really notice patterns, but it seems like it's highly variable how much time it takes.
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>>571545135
Do you REALLY need Horny Creatures of Skyrim though?
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>>571544630
Devious Bandit Overhaul
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>>571545495
I don't.
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>>571545372
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>>571542924
>not The Cabal Edition
Dammit Snake.
>>571545372
Copy, boss
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>>571545372
What if I homebrewed the preset?
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>>571545853
>>571545372
kek, never change
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>>571544971
>Chosen One (Dragonborn Theme)
>All Hail Shadow (Thieves Guild Theme)
>Never Turn Back (End Credits)

>>571545772
The Cabal doesn't exist.
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>>571545486
I definitely see variation though I never get more than 3 or 4 seconds at the most extreme. And it just werks.

>>571544074
That's how people get kicked on the noggin.
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>>571545486
are you pulling from hdd or ssd?
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>>571545135
Add a windows defender exclusion to pandora
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>>571545695
is this a new waifu?
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>>571546153
It does just werk. Certainly better than nemesis crashing 0-784 times before running.
>>571546181
SSD. Specifically a WD Black SN850X
>>571546342
Interesting thought. I'll try that.
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>>571546416
It could be.
https://www.loverslab.com/files/file/33674-bofs-babes-n-bimbos-racemenu-presets/
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>>571545135
last time I ran Nemesis it took 10 minutes and it crashed three times so in reality it took almost forty

Nemesis was my nemesis indeed, rest in piss
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>>571545772
She's not bad for an Oblivion fu.
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Got my young, kid brother hooked up on (vanilla) Skyrim. First "real" game he's ever played after Minecraft.
Give it a decade and he'll be posting shitfus here.
Life is good. Or bleak. Can't tell.
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>>571546342
>>571546512
Didn't seem to matter when I just added the exe and output folder, but when I made the whole MO2 directory an exclusion, the time was cut significantly. I previously had MO2 set up that way, but I guess I forgot when I moved to the current drive. The run after this was 12 seconds.
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i miss brow ridges. bnp's brow ridges are too subtle
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hwo do i stop gooning? its making me retarded
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>>571547539
I once got my old man Skyrim for the switch since he loved handhelds. I still remember hearing him yell "Oh fuck, a bear!" when doing the intro.
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>>571548503
your wife gets her head chopped off in all my playthroughs
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>>571548107
>I still remember hearing him yell "Oh fuck, a bear!"
At least he'll know where to go when using Frostfall.
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>>571548107
A few years ago I was introducing Crusader Kings 3 to a friend of mine, and trying to get my own dad hooked up on map-painting games.
I'll always remember explaining the mechanics and he (understandably frustrated) saying: "When the fuck is this shit game going to start???"
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>>571548503
esl grammar
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>>571548107
Blessed.
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>>571542924
is this the snakestone cabal?
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>>571548793
It do be like that.
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>>571547539
I bought my brother Skyrim on xbox and even modded it for him. His first experience with the game had enai jank and LotD, and he loved every second of it
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>>571548085
cum
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>>571548793
total war is the only enjoyable map painter as a result of not being a spreadsheet
the scrolls stuff in it is fairly decent too
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>>571549089
At least it wasn't Stellaris. It took me like 2000 hours to figure out how war goals actually worked.
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Imagine if Skyrim actually had a follower with 100 Enchanting in 50 level and they could enchant your gear and you could just not level enchanting and skip it.
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>>571548085
turn off the lewd mods and instead cum buckets when your waifu looks at the camera and smiles
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>>571549426
Passive enchanting xp has been in my list for ages. dont think I can ever get rid of it.
But followers with services like that would be pretty cool.
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>>571549304
I think Civilization V (especially modded) is up there too, as well as Endless Space. They're designed for quick, competitive multiplayer games instead of sandbox simulation, so you don't need to be incredibly autistic or schizo to enjoy them.
Civ's grid combat is also way more engaging and fun than PDX's usual RNG auto-battler shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5TBma-EudE
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>>571549658
I'm pretty sure there's a mod that adds enchanting and tempering services and stuff like that. You could make a patch that adds the service factions to vanilla followers.
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>>571549658
>>571549426
I'm pretty sure Followers Can Craft could do that in LE
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>>571549426
that might possible w/ honed metal https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/61015
and if its mcm menu can't just force an npc to be an enchanter
an xedit patch to make a follower an enchanter with the correct voice type should do it
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>>571549426
have you tried honed metal?
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>>571550018
I always read this as "horned."
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>>571548782
wew

>>571548793
>"When the fuck is this shit game going to start???"
Had a few games I tried to get him into like that.

>>571548898
Yeah. I miss him.

>>571548979
It's clearly the Council.

>>571549426
Couldn't you just do that with Honed Metal and using the MCM menu to add the follower to the enchanter group?
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>>571550116
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>>571549979
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>>571549304
Total War battles are kind of fun, but they take a long time and get repetitive quick, especially once you figure out the winning army comp, and then you're just clicking auto resolve, and it's the same shit but shallower.
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>>571550785
which is why drop in hotseat and head to head were invented but the players have become babby and radicalized those who use it as something other than a screensaver into being extra special retarded
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How many of you wish they were women irl?
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>>571550778
do not plap bnuuy
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>>571550778
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Open the reply box in another thread.
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>>571550965
i'm already retarded thx
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It’s the end of the month and I need to make payroll. I also want to make a profit. Here’s a key to the Silver-Bloods treasury room. I got it from Eola after she ate one of the guards there. I want you to clean them out and bring all the money, silver, and jewels to our bookkeeper. He will cover our outstanding expenses. Anything that’s left over I’ll split with you, and it’s a fine day with you around.
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hey, if I don't care about generating septims via my garden and greenhouse, what are the most aesthetically pleasing plants?
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>>571551293
tompato
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>>571548782
took me a second get it but i had a sensible chuckle
>>571549979
cute furs, don't let peta see this
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>>571551293
Gonna change depending on what kind of flora replacers you've got installed but a safe bet is some type of flower with BOS variation for multiple colours. Nightshade and deathbell are pretty blooming little things in my game.

>>571551790
:^)
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>>571551790
What did his waifu look like
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>>571552181
She's an old hag now
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>>571550227
why you always post that
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>>571552181
no idea whose waifu that
and anyway who cares, bearpasta is just funny
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Do the Story Manager's OnLocationChange events trigger when you cross a Tamriel overworld cell? Or do they only trigger between overworld and interior transitions?
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Did the new sothaslop mod get up'd?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/182994
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>>571551293
sweetroll
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>>571542684
kek
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New Todd just dropped
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>>571553632
I wish he went to Matan's podcast instead of Lex
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anal only waifus?
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>>571552614
I thought it was the first one but going from wilderness to wilderness might not be a loc change whereas going from wilderness to riverwood would be
because there's cellattach/detach/load
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>>571548793
baka should've showed him CK2 instead...
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>>571553856
>whereas going from wilderness to riverwood would be
This is what I assumed at first, but even random ass "Wilderness X, Y" cells are technically Location records, no?
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https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/183260
Are there any animations that would suit these small weapons?
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>six days
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>>571553632
What does it mean?
Wheres the hidden message bros...
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>>571554928
I've been looking for something like this, thanks for upping. Not sure about animations
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>>571553632
He wasn't part of anything, he simply walked into the group and sold them a few copies of Skyrim.

>>571552751
Don't hate them but doesn't really fit the pleistocene vibe Skyrim goes for desu.
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>>571554928
Here's my attempt at a younger vampire Dragonborn. She's smol but big enough to fend off a drunk Lerche.
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>>571556715
what does that have to do with what he asked
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>>571555480
>Todd is holding a deathclaw
>deathclaw
>deathCLAW
>C-LAW
>Crystal-Like-Law
>Crystal Tower
THE ELDER SCROLLS VI: SUMMERSET ISLES CONFIRMED
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>>571556715
I don't remember Lerche having a drinking problem.
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why did i decide to make an orc when my slider-fu is weak
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>>571557086
Just blame malacath, or something.
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>>571557079
Lerche always looks tired, which makes her super relatable
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>>571553632
I want that little deathclaw thing.

>>571554928
Those light axes are neat. As for animations I'm unsure but I did find this video comparing MCO axe and mace animations. Maybe you'll find one you like in it?

https://youtu.be/lncvCkHK8AM?si=jI0xnG7up2EpEQFF
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https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/80451
is there something like this but with normal sized tongues
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>>571557079
Lerche always looks like a serial killer, which makes her super relatable
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Which waifu would most likely be a waifufag?
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>>571557346
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>>571557079
She does in my game.
>>571556791
Nothing.
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>>571557346
wat
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>>571557842
Which waifu would play Skyrim and make a waifu and post it in /tesg/?
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>>571557086
isn't it technically more forgiving if you're not trying to un-simer it?
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are the steam deck anons here going to get a steam machine?
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I can't believe my waifu is so much better than all other waifus
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>>571557086
I would never try to make an orcfu. Even if you succeed in making her cute, you've failed because orcs are supposed to be ugly. I guess I could consider making an orc husbando or something.
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>>571558158
Why would u get a goybox ?
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>571558167
norafag don't start up again,
they're going to feed him aren't they.....
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>>571557346
Varla and Lerche's catgirl who's name I think is Ainos? Einos?
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I decided to raceswap Rayya into a redheaded nord with thick eyebrows
just finishing up the swap now
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>>571558241
I don't know, that's why I asked the anons here who already own a steam deck and play modded skyrim on it.
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>>571557780
What kind of abuse are you putting her through for her to develop a drinking habit?

>>571558321
Ainos
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>>571558231
"ugly" and "unconventionally attractive" mean the same thing to different people
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>>571558880
Thought so, but I wanted to make sure.
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>>571558241
The 512 one is the same purchase price as the PStripple in 2006 adjusted for inflation (>599 US dollars) but the specs are way better in a relative sense and it has games
the internals aren't very scalable in a world of eating giant resource amounts but that's the fault of impure socioeconomic factors
good luck getting 16gb ddr5 and an 8gb nu-card for under 1k
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>>571558431
Post it on the Nexus. We could make a bet on how long it takes for the staff to take it down
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>>571558431
That's literally just Aela
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>>571558321
>>571558880
If Ainos was a waifufag, would she make a catgirl?
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>>571559161
comparing prices to 20 year old tech isn't a good example because tech should be cheaper long-term, look at 4k tvs now compared to 2015

the issue is paying 1k for a mid range gaming PC that's worse than base PS5, you either go balls to the walls and go 2k to get really good specs, or just stick with consoles at this point

for existing pc players though I like just swapping out parts for 500-600 every 4 years or so.
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>>571557251
>Badass viking animations
That tossing the weapon in the air and catching it is so retarded but kinda cool.

>>571559430
She'd make catgirls without human ears
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>>571558880
>for her to develop a drinking habit
Aside from the werewolf, bandit, and vampire incidents not much. Have you fixed Mu Skeleton issue with Patty yet?
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>>571559474
I'm comparing the USD price via inflation to the specs of the day for either.
I built a 1k gaymen computer (among some three I was doing until the mid 2025) in the ass end of 2024 and it's still doing fine
the vaseline trough of jeetware fakeframes runs like that for everyone, I have zero concern about lower performances on my part because those games suck anyway

switching between a new mobo/cpu and card every few years is probably less performant than just doing it all
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Has no one made an alternative companion quest line?
I haven't played since covid and i really don't want to be forced into being a mangy mutt
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>>571560067
You mean one where you join the Silver Hand?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/45103

or

https://craftian.itch.io/bad-moon
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>>571560067
YOU WILL TAKE THE KNOT AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
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>>571559887
you don't need to upgrade mobos often though, that's like once every 10 years

what are your specs for 1k back in 2024?
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>>571560067
There are mods that let you join the Silver Hand but there's no mod that just let's you go through the Companions questline without becoming a werewolf or the Harbinger or whatever.
If you're looking for something like No To Nocturnal, or that one mod where you can make Brynjolf the Guildmaster, it simply doesn't exist.
It's been 15 years and it seems like the Companions are doomed to just fucking suck.
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>>571559823
I'll help her make catgirls
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>>571559863
>Have you fixed Mu Skeleton issue with Patty yet?
Sort of, I have a plan but I didn't have time to do it because I've been playing Slay the Spire 2 too much.
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>>571560309
I have always had to swap mobos because of the cpu socket changing.

It was a 3060 12gb, 64gb ddr4 (lol) and the i5-13600 refresh because it ran significantly cooler for whatever reason. The card could have been better but it was needed at the time so shopping around was limited, and it was probably timed well before the spikes anyway.
There are now some prebuilts only a few hundred more than steambox, with quite good cards that a savvy individual could scavenge for return too
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>>571560842
why so much ram? probably could have skimped out to 32gb and got a 40 series card instead, 40 series can enb Skyrim at 60 fps at least, even 4k 60 on average with upscaling

>upgrading mobos for new CPU sockets
theres an amd x3d cpu for AM4 that's more than enough for Bethesda games. they are realistically the only games that even need a strong CPU, and its unlikely games will be cpu dependent in the future since everyone is just making cinematic third person slop that's more gpu intensive
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>>571560214
>>571560067
>>571560453
I wonder how these interact with modded followers, who generally comment at certain milestones in the story. CuC ends on a happier note too, doesn't it?
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>>571562375
CuC wew can end on a happier note. It has two paths you can take.

Sadly the "cure them" path for me broke at the end and I couldn't finish it. But that could have been a me issue.
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Has everyone made the switch to UBE yet?
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>>571562743
I think I'll stick with CBBE 3BA and high poly head, it's much simpler and works. UBE looks so uncanny
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>>571562176
the ram was for other workflow gimmick reasons and because it was relatively cheap
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>>571560493
Ganbatte.
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>>571562375
I don't think they will comment at all, since you never hit the vanilla quest stages necessary for the custom dialogue to trigger.
Well, unless those mods advance vanilla stages, for whatever reason.
I do know that both mods edit vanilla quests, but I don't think they ever "complete" the original stages. That means you don't have to worry about Inigo commenting about you being a werewolf or whatever.
Also, as the other anon said, CuC is a very buggy mod that's also unfinished.
Bad Moon is feature complete, but the writing is dogshit. But that's just my opinion.
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>>571562743
hell fucking no, i have no interest in bludgeoning it until i can make something that looks remotely human
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Consider taking your housecarl on a date.
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I managed to make Yara in Dragon's Dogma 2's character creator. Pretty neat.

(you) should try this too. The character creation screen is free on steam
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>>571563415
cute
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>>571563415
>(you) should try this too.
But the game doesnt have cow waifu options :(
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>>571563415
I wouldn't have guessed Yara if you didn't say that.
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>>571563158
>the writing is dogshit. But that's just my opinion
Naw it is. It really gets pants on head stupid when the companions make an apparent deal with the forsworn to help fight the Silver Hand.

The voice acting wasn't that bad at least. I'd honestly prefer Conflict Under the Crescent is it wasn't so buggy. Also I wasn't a huge fan of Conflicts take on the Silver Hand that you join. I wanna join the Silver Hand not the REAL Silver Hand and have to fight both the Companions and Silver Hand.
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Wow, this is the perfect dialogue addon for /tesg/.
Does anyone know if there's a plugin that allows any enchantment to be applied to any piece of gear as random loot, within reason, especially if they work with Summermyst and/or Thaumaturgy? e.g weapons that give + 10% armor, armor that causes bleed when you block an attack, robes that give +health etc
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>>571563415
seranafag-esque post
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>>571563415
DD2 doesn't have lizards
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>>571563787
>no lizards
it has many variations of Saurian (of which you should always strike the tail)
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It's a good day for some Altmer love
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>>571563415
already have, but I shant be posting her here as I don't want to set off the "recent" schizo
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>>571564017
understandable
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>>571563968
That's every day.
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>>571563602
>the companions make an apparent deal with the forsworn to help fight the Silver Hand
I thought the twist was going be that it was a fake deal, and the Companions gave them bad info. But no, they really do make an alliance with them and the Forsworn somehow send a fuckhuge warband across Skyrim all the way to Eastmarch.
Likewise, I also hated CuC's premise of joining the "good guy Silver Hand" against the "bad guy Silver Hand" which makes zero sense.
Give me like a week or two and I'll have a new Silver Hand mod upped.
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What's the verdict on the new voiced expansion mod for OUR favorite companion?

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/182771
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>>571563751
man who has only read /tesg/:
>yep this reminds me of /tesg/
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>>571564370
Avoid like the plague
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>>571564381
>You have been blocked from interacting with this mod page. This does not prevent you from viewing the page content or downloading files
i hadn't even said anything yet
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>>571546153
What mod for dragon?
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>>571564230
>Give me like a week or two and I'll have a new Silver Hand mod upped.
I'll keep an eye out for it.
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>Silver hand mods
Have any of you tried bad moon ?
>>571564732
>>571564230
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>>571563415
It's pretty cool. Tried when it came out.
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>GTS has gore as a follower
lol this collection is such a joke
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has anyone actually tried the latest PPA update? trying it now and the sound effects are not playing for some reason
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>>571564918
>collection
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>>571564898
I have, it's not the best, but it's the better of the two joinable Silver Hand mods we currently have. Hopefully anons will be a lot better.
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>>571565039
Oh fuck i just red the spoiler, incredible based. I have not tried the badmoon yet but its on the to do list.

>>571564230
Good luck with the mod anon.
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>>571563602
It seems like we have a quest for everything but the Forsworn. Beyond Reach doesn't count.
>>571563670
It's too cold for her to be wearing that.
>>571544630
Skyrim Reputation's option to join the Forsworn sounds like an interesting idea on paper, but it doesn't work very well in practice. Since most Forsworn become non-aggro, navigating the Reach becomes too easy.
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>>571565039
Where is that?
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>>571565514
Hmm, you're right. Well, Glenmoril deals with the forsworn at some parts so that kinda counts? I can't think of any joinable forsworn quest mods, or even ones where they're the center focus.

>>571565670
That's the main orc city in Lordbound. Visually looks nice but only a very few buildings have interiors. Shame Lordbound bugged out on me like it did cause I was enjoying myself.
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>>571564995
j-jayserpa worked hard on the collection...he made a reddit post to virtue signal it, okay?
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>balmora is named after the way baltimore is pronounced in the regional Maryland dialect
How did I not notice this?
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>>571560453
AYOP companions theoretically lets you skip being a dog. It's kind of janky though. It didn't work for me and neither did refusing the harbinger role. I think it's just that the way it does things makes it so that if any other mod so much as looks at the companions funny it needs a patch.
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Someone is making a new lands mod of Alinor: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/images/307288

Wonder if it'll actually see a release.

Also looks like someone is doing a Missives board remesh: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/images/307291
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>>571566513
>The mod will involve the player overthrowing the Thalmor with the help of some dissidents, and it will be writing/dialogue-focused with characteristics of a political thriller.
Sounds super lame.
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>>571564370
I don't mind that visual replacer.
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>>571566641
Reviewing your own post is very conceited.
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>>571566513
>Missives board remesh
Might be cool tho I do love my current ones.
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>>571566641
If anything it'll give us a new land mod to at least explore. Though I do wonder about the quality of the stuff we'll see. Shame people are so scared to make a Thalmor friendly quest mod.
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y'all chill with me being a browngender /tesg/?
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something about this cheese ain't right
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Would anyone know why the Immersive Equipment Displays GUI isn't showing for me? I've checked and the hotkey is default (backspace) in the .ini
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I had all of this little pajeet/paki mods without realizing it was AI slop.
Removed all of em, improved my fps near whiterun stables, no more "long" freeze when it loading large cell.
>Rape corrections are needed.
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>>571567378
I had something like that and I just remapped it. the first time I remapped it I was using the wrong key codes though
think mine is on pausebreak or something with no modifier and it works



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