#1300: Summer moon EditionPrevious: >>571177714This general is for the discussion of original, fan made, or look-alike Mega Man games as well as original titles developed by Inti Creates.>/mmg/ newsMega Man Starforce Legacy Collection out now https://youtu.be/PTct687LRmQ Mega Man Dual Override announced for 2027 https://youtu.be/8i97QCOWSC4 Rockman EXE Phantom of Network PC Porthttps://github.com/StraDaMa/PoN_PCNew official licensed smartwatch pre-order announced, a new way to Mega Man 2>Fan game news:Mega Man: The Rise of Ra Moonhttps://gamejolt.com/games/MM25_2/566983Mega Man 64https://github.com/MegaMan64Recomp/MegaMan64RecompiledMega Man DXtremehttps://youtu.be/C9_ykoYqm44 Mega Man X Viral Nightmarehttps://youtu.be/AVToZHXwlsE Mega Man Whttps://megamanw.com/>/inti/ news:Kingdom's Return out now https://youtu.be/uOW6WmLpUkU Majogami out now on PS5 https://youtu.be/-j3Rl762aT4 Gunvolt Chronicles Luminous Avenger iX 1+2 Dual Collection releasing on 7/9/2026 https://youtu.be/gvB2DzQ24Q4 Gunvolt Chronicles Luminous Avenger iX 3 coming in 2027 https://youtu.be/R9-kBPHYMPs Gunvolt Trilogy Enhanced Switch 2 Edition coming in 2026 https://youtu.be/TuAm0HVVkVE Something Gal*Gun/Guardians related has been teased in Famitsu's 40th anniversary spread with artwork featuring two new charactersHuge revamp to the Gunvolt Triangle Edition sitehttps://gunvolt.com/TE/en/>Other:Translations of Classic mangas on mangadexDespite no longer being in the game this is the X dive alt with more fanart after UAX and Black Zero>DiVE Linksrentry.org/xdaibu (game, emulators and other stuff)>Koikatsurentry.org/mmgintikk>Melt Stuffrentry.org/mmelt melt 2 its real>Game Downloadsrentry.org/mmglinksHas all MM games, MN9, romhacks, patches + BN cia files>Audiovisual Mediarentry.org/mmgintimediaContains:Cartoons, Anime, Comics, Manga and other printed media - Music Playlists and albums
>>571637374>I want to find a Zonda that miraculously survived after the events of ASG2Because of how abrupt her death was in comparison to Nova and Asimov/Demerzel and how she'd already cheated death once (twice if you count the spinoff), I thought that's what they would be going for in GV3, but she was just dead.
>>571638173I support speedluna OPs.
>>571638173Lunafag, at least change the joke section. It doesn't fit now.
>>571638173bless the moon
>>571638452My point stands, I would nurse Zonda back to health
>>571639231Inti IS the joke thobeit
>>571638452Only Elise could fake her death and then join the most violent and dangerous sector of the economy. That girl is just a trouble magnet.
>>571640237Get new material. Oh wait even your memes are stolen from here.
>>571638173Haha, "moon"
>>571638173Full moon!
>>571640384Sure when Inti releases some new material besides a reskinned Gunvolt. They tried CnC, KR, and Fritos.
>>571640938Last brand new game you still had this joke.
>>571638173What's with this general and always using blonde lolis showing their butts as the OP?
>>571641887What joke?>>571642228Just how it is.
>>571642228Blonde lolibutt general.
>>571642228We need Zonda showing hers off in the next OP
>>571642761Too risky.
>>571642228It comes with the territory.
>>571642364Rorobros...
>>571643472Reminder that you almost had this.
>>571643313That's not a loli, that's an evil fairy onahole.
>>571641887>besides a reskinned Gunvolt
>>571643535Not gonna lie, I actually really like these concept designs
>>571643642Desna shut the fuck up you colossal retard you knew what was going to happen and you still got all your friends killed.
Would you rather Gal Guardians 2 have followed the Kamizonos around instead of the Demon Maids?
>>571648307It's too similar to Zonda. Like bottom is basically just short haired adult Zonda, and left has Reverie Zonda's outfit.
>>571649774That just means we have a muse Zonda design base for GX, I see this as a win
>>571649976One, we already have a base for Cyber Dreamer Zonda. Two, don't think we're getting Kaori singing in a GV game beyond the discordant melody Zonda uses to kill GV.
Finally, a non lame Udon cover.
>>571650382Don't be pessimistic, we need Zonda saving the entire world while performing a lyrical cover of Sinner's Row
>>571649774You missed that right has the adult Zonda hair too.
>>571651042I thought that was obvious.
>>571649569No. Maid in maid action was way more interesting and funnier.
>>571643535>>571649774>>571651042Why did they make the first designs so similar? I know the green hair version was a last minute change. I think green was the better choice as it compliments the rest of the colors while pink just makes everything blend in too much.
>>571651605>Why did they make the first designs so similar?Similar to Zonda, I mean.
>>571648080If it was just that we would be praising the gameplay too since that's the only thing GV3 got right.
>>571651829You know why. This general has been talking and arguing about it long enough now for it to become a meme.
>>571652271The GV3 characters are fun, especially compared to the usual characters you get in jump and shoot games, they're just a step-down from past Gunvolt games. Even then, Kirin and ZED's banter is more interesting than GV and Copen's banter, which is responding to clowns with variations of you are disgusting and irredeemable, and I will send you to join your friends in hell.And it's really only with stuff found outside the games that elevate most GV1 and GV2 characters anyway, otherwise you at best just get some vague hints that there's something deeper.
>>571653521It works for the grimdark atmosphere of the games and how GV is characterized. GV refuses to engage with silliness and becomes angrier when a quirk character refuses to take something deathly serious seriously. Teseo and Ghauri are two people he is happy to kill for this reason, despite Teseo doing a net good on his level and not even killing anyone. He hates silly people.
>>571653521Zed's personality boils down go Gary Stu (probably to mirror Kirin) and none of the characters had the impact the old ones had despite all of them havingnway more in-game dialogue to work with, probably has to do with everyone just phoning it in in the collab phase after they got sick of GV series with the ending of GV2.
>>571650556>implying the only one>it's just WD Cinnamon with a Tango skin
>>571652271Nobody said it was a good reskin.
>>571654914It wasn't implied, it was an statement. And what even are the alternatives? Stolen Punisher covers and outdated memes?
>>571656604>statement not an implicationGive or take the girl covers and the ones not being memes.
>>571654182ZED is just Nova without the lab torture background (or maybe he was, we don't know). He's also an adept supremacist. He'd be the Eden rep if this took place during the GV1/GV2 timeframe, like Kirin is the Sumeragi viewpoint. Also, Kirin does admit that Sumeragi is flawed and needs to be changed in the DLC thanks to talking to ZED, and seeing SFIT fuck up yet again and then shoot at her people.The only reason they come off like Mary Sues is that they're not an absolute failure of a hero who doesn't achieve their objectives or live up to his own rhetoric like GV. Yeah, Gunvolt will give you the Zero spiel about not being a hero, but he justifies himself with moral authority. Copen succeeds in what he sets out to do in his route, as he never aspires to be anything more than an adept slayer, and when he does decide to be a classical hero in iX, he's much more successful. Also, they don't kill and show basic empathy for their opponents, but that's another story. Most people don't think Sumeragi or Eden deserve any sympathy from GV and that he's right to see them like walking feces.
>>571656782>the girl covers >Alia in the pic No
>>571657050So you're full of shit then.
>>571656881>Most people don't think Sumeragi or Eden deserve any sympathy from GV and that he's right to see them like walking feces.It's the cardinal sin of GV: killing likable, funny, attractive, tragic, and marketable antivillains and then spitting on their corpses. Don't care if they were killing or threatening faceless innocents off-screen; if they don't show it, we don't feel it. For instance, you know how you could have made people hate Gibril like GV hates her? Show one of her terrified victims begging for his/her life before getting drained and zombified. But we can't have that, because only adepts are allowed to suffer and die in these games. Even then, with her background and EP, it'd have been hard, because she's cute and has a lot of traits that look like they can be manipulated for a redemption arc.Or maybe, have GV rescuing and talking to some of the victims of Sumeragi horrors or Eden terrorism. Even fucking MMX and MMZ had this, as scant on story as MMX was. GV1 kind of did this with Elise, but then it turned out she was evil too and GV killed her and then acted all casual about it afterward, telling Xeno he was fine and that he'd give him all the highlights of the fight.
>>571656881I think that Zed is Tenjian but pragmatic. >"Oh so if we just leave the minos fuck adepts they will erase themselves out of the bloodpool in about 50 years, well I guess it's time to get to work Sistina, chop chop"While Tenjian would be more along the lines of"Kill them allllll REEEEEEEEEE"
>>571657613https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLyrOUDlAbo
>>571654914Shang Tsung didn't die in the Love Live salt mines for this. >>571656782those were mediocre at best
>>571657613>It's the cardinal sin of GV: killing likable, funny, attractive, tragic, and marketable antivillains and then spitting on their corpses.It's what makes it so unique. Basically what other stories do once (looking at Cyberpunk with Rebeca) but this time each one of those bosses was a Rebecca. You rarely if ever see this level of humanity in an antagonist faction.
>>571657630In Tenjian's time, there were active genocides against adepts going on. By ZED's time, nonadepts had to put up with it as a significant chunk of births were adepts and adepts were much more culturally and socially dominant. We can already saw the seeds of it in GV1/GV2 where young people like Mytyl seemed enamored by adept counterculture, and Eden's videos were popular among nonadepts for the fights and hotties it showcased.
>>571658545It does make it unique, but it also makes it harder to root for the main character, and as a writer it's a nightmare as you run through all of your best characters before you complete the plot, which is what basically happened with Gunvolt. It's why Tsuda was talking about leaving things hanging and just ending with GV2 as he knew any cast and scenario (the two are entertwined though) produced afterward would be a letdown.
Honestly this whole conversation is why I hope that GX ends with everyone else being saved at the cost of GV, Gunvolt is honestly my least favorite Gunvolt character
>>571658987>>571657613>>571658545>It's the cardinal sin of GV: killing likable, funny, attractive, tragic, and marketable antivillains and then spitting on their corpses.It's hard to pull off without angering the audience and turning them against the main character or even the overall product. I've seen it happen with anime like Iron Blooded Orphans and Aldnoah Zero, where a merciless and emotionless hero was pitted against more human villains, and it turned a lot of people off. And in those cases, those villains were less pitiful, uglier, and more evil than any of Gunvolt's antagonists.
>>571656881>he is also an adept supremacistAnd none of that is elaborated upon in the game so no, the game portrays him as a straight Gary Stu, the only bad or stupid things he does are due to Sumeragi being dicks and denying him info so it doesn't blemish his mister perfect character (which by the way is deliberate, Grazie being designed to be plain is just to show how amazingly generous this faggot is).
>>571659480The key is that the protagonist just needs to feel a bit sad or weird about it. Even better, they can direct the mixed feelings the audience has towards the tragic state of the world or the main villain, like "they forced this to happen." All it would have taken in the case of Elise's death would have been for GV to say something like "Damned Sumeragi" at the end. Tragic war anime have been doing this for decades for a reason, even against enemies who are laughably evil. Then they can kill hundreds of bad guys and hot/sympathetic villains without the audience getting to upset.
>>571659995Nova hating Project Muse, violence, and a lot of Sumeragi's policies, and armed phenomena making adepts crazier, Nova's background and abandonment issues leading to inferiority complex, or his dream that everyone should be happy (to contrast GV's dreams), etc. is only brought up in Justice Rage. Zonda having more child-like and innocent personality traits, Gibril having nurturing and empathetic traits, or Desna being a teasing older sister type is only revealed in Eden's Party. Lola being influenced by the mirror shards and falling in love with Copen, which is basically confirmed in iX2, was only shown in Clockwork Daydream.It's always been a feature of the series.
>>571661013Most of those were hinted at in the games themselves. The CDs only provided elaboration and evidence.>Nova loving peaceSee his discussion with GV, where he calls him out for his destruvtive ways.>Armed phenomenaHinted by the personality swaps they undergo when they arm (look at Nova in particular, who starts declaring he is Sumeragi and he's God). >ZondaFinal fight as she loses her composure she becomes more like a scared kid until she's crying for her brother as she dies.>LolaFew lines sprinkled where she teases Copen, like the one where he's maintaining her.
>>571659480The problem with Gunvolt is that the writers just wings it every game. There's no narrative destination, no structural focus. Even now I couldn't give you a clear answer if you were to ask me what the fuck Gunvolt was about. You would think the thematic anchor was the question of coexistence as it provides a clear motive for our main character(s) and a coherent goal for the story, but nah.It was at least somewhat internally consistent until Gunvolt 3 failed to read the room and shat all over it.
>>571659480I don't know what Aldnoah Zero is but IBO is the only Gundam that didn't felt like a soap opera made for women so of course the women would not like it.
>>571661985Gundam is the absolute height of fujodom. I believe even the creator said the entire franchise wouldn't survive without them.
>>571661686It was kind of fucking up because it implied that Copen and Zonda were right. Like even with five games, we still haven't seen a good argument coexistence argument. We've seen dozens of cases of irreconcilable fanatical hatred, however.But the race war was dumb to begin with as in Gunvolt, any one of us could have adept children. And depending on lore source, adepts are better in many ways than baseline humans due to occupying a higher lifewave state, so why wouldn't you want an adept child, especially if they have a lame power that couldn't hurt anyone? The question is ultimately one of adaption, not tolerance.
https://youtu.be/3lQqfsu64VUwtf, don't say hi to that hobo Rock
>>571661013As the other anon said, most of those had some hint in the games, while Zed got nothing and what little he could've learned about cooperation is then backpedaled in the ATEMS episode when he insists on dealing with Luxia alone despite Kirin being right there so no he was right all along and he's just that amazing, shit character no wonder his entire team is so unpopular.
>>571661985IBO is very fujo. All those shirtless hunks walking around and a literal blond twink getting railed by a stud. The issue is that Mika is unlikable and lacks charisma, partially because he has empathy issues due to his upbringing.
>>571662702They could have used literally any other excuse for Kirin not getting involved, like Kirin had to stay behind to deal with SFIT forces, or was fighting ghost GV, but whatever.
>>571662603Sorry but adept shits and adept sympathizer shits go the way of the dodo.
>>571662603>depending on lore source, adepts are better in many ways than base humans due to occupying a higher lifewave state.The original script of Fleeting Memories that was featured in the old Inti radio show says no such thing, higher lifewave refers strictly to supernatural powers and grants no improvement to base physical or cognitive performance unless it comes with the specific power set associated (generally on god tier adepts), the added bit that implies more was invented by Matt and added on top in the localization.
>>571662603The entire point is that adepts are fucking dangerous and you should be able to see why. How can you even play through this entire series and not get that?
>>571657613>MMZ had thisShort as they are, those games had the missions and hub level through which the plot was told. GV games don't much "downtime" for story beyond the traditional intermission stage.
>>571663225Oh no my kid can grow a flower a bit quicker than normal, a national existential threat. They fucked this point in the ass when they established most adepts have powers that suck at killing people.
>>571663184Don't adept soldiers beat regular soldiers, even without powers? It was one of the reasons Jota signed onto Sumeragi and why Eden are such a threat and their soldiers more dangerous than their Sumeragi counterparts in game.
Leaker here, Inti Creates is buying Treasure LTD. They're making a hybrid remake of Gunstar Heroes and Super Heroes where it feels like it's a two parted game. A third game will be produced and collabed with the Gunvolt team.They're also trying to making a Sin & Punishment remake that fleshes out the story and gameplay, it'll feel almost as big as a Star Fox game with branching paths. No word if S&P3 is on the cards and the GalGun team is on board with this.Finally, they're helping with SEGA's little brand initiative, they're doing an HD2D-ish remaster of Guardian Heroes and a remake of Advance Guardian Heroes. It'll have new lore that connects it to Gunstar Heroes. Also they're NOT going to attempt to get the Mischief Makers IP from S-E, because "they should have done it when they were selling off Eidos", so it's apparently too late. But they're interested on working with them on publishing a new entry and a 3D game title.
>>571663497>a bit quicker than normalGood enough
>>571663767>Inti Creates is buyingAlready fake AND gay.
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>>571638173Moon spotted>3 turns left
>>571663497Outside the very tiptop (aka, anybody who appears on the Trilogy Box Art), unless they have a glaive, most of the powerful adepts can be taken out by normies. Even the Raptor, despite how dangerous and feared he or she was, couldn't operate openly, or they'd get mobbed by SPEC OPS or missile strike'd. Look at Viper's performance in Justice Rage. It's not anything that nuts.
>>571662774The issue was that Mika was nothingsexual. An even greater fou pax than being straight for the average Gundam fan(girl).
>>571663624Unless it's a combat-related septima that's just headcanons, the lore bit that is used to argue they have a blanket physical/intellectual boost no matter how much their power sucks is completely made up by one localizer.
>>571663497To bad we also know about at least two crafting materials that are extracted from said kid so as usual national security means "excuse for the goverment to whatever they want by force"
>>571663624Not quite. Think about who would win in a fight between a bodybuilder and a proper MMA fighter. Then again, if adepts think faster than regular humans do on top of that then everything means fuckall because you are basically fighting Spiderman/Amuro.
>>571664412>is completely made up by one localizerLuckily no one in these threads would conjure up some nonsense on the regular.
>shit on 8-4 but suck Matt's dick
>>571664412そして、第六階梯の波動を持つ者は、歴史上、様々な奇跡をこの世界に遺してきた。Higher states of the lifewaves, like the 6th Wave, were associated with figures who left behind legacies of miracles throughout history. They weren't throwing around fireballs though.
>>571665398We don't, and it's mostly because he doesn't rewrite the characters. Like 8-4 took Elise and made her flat out evil, implying that Sumeragi originally captured her because she'd been doing crazy shit on the outside. They never mentioned the experiments fucking her up.>BUT THEY IMPLIED ITNO THEY DIDN'T. NOT ONCE. It's implied that Sumeragi subjected her to some medical checkups (the medical gown) but you don't know what for or the extent. It could have been for her or their own good, because researchers and scientists were not mentioned once. Elise doesn't even say the zombies were researchers, she just says people.And then there's Zonda, where they maliciously rewrote her to be so much of a sociopath she views her own adopted brother, the man who raised her, as nothing more than a tool to be discarded for her own Godhood, but everyone knows about that.
>>571665445Making a flower bloom on a desert by placing your hands over it or turning water into wine would be classified as a miracle but doesn't make the person a better soldier.
>>571666081>We don'tsure you don't
>>571666223I think most mythological figures in the Gal*Gun universe would be associated with lifewaves shenanigans, sort of similar to Fate in a way.
i haven't booted up 2 in years why is copen's float limited and why can't he do it from a normal jump. i don't remember that at all, there's no way they invented good floating in iX1 right am I just missing an input?>>571638173good moon
>>571666223Grow Wolf's Bane or make everyone else drunk and you're already the better soldier.
>>571666081You're sucking so hard that whomever could remove his cock from your mouth would be crowned the new king of Camelot.
>>571659995Holy pork buns, what a slampig.
>>571666626If I could, I'd be happy to get Zonda sucking my cock like that
>>571666626>bashing 8-4 is sucking off PapaBurgerbrained
>we need a Megaman OP to lure casuals in so we can keep circlejerking about GunvoltNow that gets the noggin' joggin' if I do say so myself.
>>571667026Don't you know, either you are pro 8-4 or pro Papa.
>>571667086We all know that this is the fake general. What happened to the janny that tried to get this shithole to drop the /mmg/ from its title so everyone would know where the real MegaMan discussion was.
>>571667086Why can't the "pure" /mmg/ survive on its own, then?
>>571667314The real MM discussion is happening on /v/. Nobody is using the generals.
>>571667086just ignore the zondafags, they don't read any other posts anyways
>>571666946So long as you're prepared for the funny gender switcheroo.
>>571667447>"can't survive">it's up right now
>>571667642>has to beg for attention here
>>571667642>1 in 2 posts is just an image bump>Talk is non existant >Memes are still those that they stole from here >65 editions behind
>>571666780>panties version has it dig into herYeah sign me up for that
That's right.Megaman can't survive without Inti Creates.
>>571669620It can but only INTI knew the secret sauce to make more than one game per decade.
>>571669974I miss the gacha.
We talk a lot about the negative effects of commingling with adepts would have upon demographics, but what about reploids? Wouldn't that be even more disastrous, because at least with an adept, you have a living, breathing, shitting infant on the other side whereas with reploids, it'd be nothing.
>>571671249Futurama shows what would happen:https://youtu.be/JPQJBgWwg3o
>>571671249Why would I want a living, breathing, shitting infant when I can have a reploid daughterwife.
Copen's character arc should have ended with him fusing to an orbital anti-adept weapon after being foiled and crashing it towards the Earth in a final bid to kill all adepts.
>another Megaman humiliation ritual with SonicTruly a highly valued IP
>>571673457I never got why Copen named some of his shit after Norse stuff until somebody pointed out he's a Weil clone.
>>571670527That's new. Is that from the drawfags?
>>571657613Very cute and stylish. Just look at those boots.
>>571673793Didn't Sega just declared today that the racing game was a disaster today? Also, at least Mega Man didn't get humiliated by Kirby on it's 35th anniversary.
>>571675936Artist is https://x.com/Sulus_18
>>571675960You know she wears those boots to make herself look bigger.
>>571676138So much for being the Mario Kart killer. LOL!
>>571673793Dunno Sonic acknowledged the MM post kind of like they did with Onirism and Shantae. Yacht Club just barely mentioned anything about the Gunvolt sale after Inti desperately tried tagging them like 2 weeks ago.
>>571676546You act like further being dragged through the slurry pit of Sonic is anything enviable.
>>571675960Gibril is my favorite chibi.
>>571675960Tsunderes!
>>571676953If anything, it's Sonic who has to leech any godwill he can from Megaman...and Miku...and Spongebob... and Persona...and Godzilla...and Tupac.
>>571676953No just saying that if we're talking about humiliation rituals Inti's been carrying that trophy pretty high.
>>571670527Same, it was the only game where Zero Nightmare was given a shred of the respect he deserves
>>571677434Nothing more humiliating than Sonic.Except maybe pokefags.
>>571677705>Nothing more humiliating than Sonic.inti
>>571677434I want to put Zonda through an extremely sexual humiliation ritual while doing my best to make sure it feels good enough that she wants to do it again
>>571677780INTI doesn't have a fandom that's been branded the protoindians. Nor they have a fallout over losing a tismbattle so bad that it hurt the economy of a country.
Goblinism and Shantae are the Sultana duo, with Inti and the rat as their rivals in Rumelia mirroring Wallachia and Hungary. The Karamanids are best represented by MMG and the blue rat.
>>571678608But Shantae and Gunvolt are closer to one another that to the other two on that alliance.
>>571678585>INTI doesn't have a fandomwith how small it is it's pretty close
>>571679112Mirroring the close ties between the ottomans and the karamanids as both being erstwhile seljuq rump, jaja, states.
>>571679142Still the point stands. And oh boy after the shitfit they had over losing to Kirby it's probably for the best.
>>571679595Really doesn't.
>>571642228Because it's good.
It took me a long time to understand how to even damage Nova's second phase.
>>571683762Why? It's not harder than his first phase!
>>571673938how
>>571687112Same way the Zond is an Elpiss and Albert clone.
>>571673457He's not stupid and has seen how little actual damage orbital bombardments and space colony drops do to anime people who are plot relevant. What he has not invented a machine to donutfy anime people is the real question. Nothing gets the job of killing anime people like the good old donut.
https://youtu.be/yVRfVrOJ-Mo?is=GSNYEwqk1g0JdWJXHere we go again.
>>571688705>already killed 300usd>everything is the same except for the preorder bonus>amiami poster was better in the original release
>>571688857We all know what happened to the last idol who shared a stage with Lola.
>>571688705Roro giving the fans what they came for.>>571688982What was the Lolass centric poster of the OG release?
>>571689015This is not their first rodeo.
>>571688175after doing some thinking I see it, he kinda is Good Weil. That's pretty cool>>571688705this is so fucking Tuff oh my god
>>571689015At this point we already know Lumen's carrying Lola.
>The dystopian opera's final act reaches a crescendoHope you're ready for nothing but GV3 rerereleases until the end of time.
>>571689130yesi am tired of oops all lola and iXDC would be the third and fourth bonus but i can't proxy yet because i am retarded
>>571689015It'll be fine. Joule shared a stage with Lola in-game, got killed TWICE and still comes back for more every game. She's no butterfly, she's a cockroach.
>>571689130>Roro giving the fans what they came for.>essentially no assnow we know why she desperately strips clothes
>>571689194>Good Weil.Kinda, kinda not. Typically with GV major characters, you take a good guy from MMX/MMZ and then combine them with a bad guy. So Copen has traits of both Weil and Zero in him. Mainline is definitely more Weil though. Nova has traits of both X and Copy-X, humorously enough. Some people say that Zonda has elements of Ciel, because she has to get her caring/naive traits from somewhere. I think GV is the fail aspects of X and Zero.
>>571690814Yeah it's not just one thing, I just didn't really see the inspiration from Weil until now. Copen's a big dumb design amalgamation either way he has traces of X Zero and Axl all in there together somehow
>>571689194Animated
>>571689483The way to weasel out would be to say that this would be the end of one series of games. If they wanted to do anything more, they'd start a sequel series or spin-off. It's sort of like Gal Guardians is the sequel series to Gal Gun or MetaFight, Blaster Master Zero, and Blasting Again form one timeline across three generations, but are different series.
The preorder bonuses don't really have me that excited this time.
>>571689665This is OP material. Is there a printend one with Sample in it?
>>571689858Beats working in the boat like Yoshiko.
>>571689183So it's like a Kenny situation? Lumen/Joulie gets killed, Gunvolt screams "you dastards!" And then she's just there and nobody even remembers that she died in the next episode?
>>571684662I didn't realize you need to tag both sides at the same time. I didn't ever really understand tagging untill halfway through GV2, I just bruteforced my way untill something worked
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>>571693840Is this what happens when you fill up that bar in the UI they haven't explained? GV and Copen drop a tactical nuke of rape on the screen?
>>571690814I always thought Zonda's fake persona matched Albert's fake persona. In the 8-4 translation, she literally is loli Albert with how condescending and malicious she is towards the player and how two-faced she is to her followers. I know that's probably not the case, because we have foreign wikis corroborating the sympathetic read of her character. If GX has her (unlikely), we will get confirmation.
>>571693840Better quality.
>>571689858You say this to make fun of her but someone like Lola trying extremely hard to be showy to compensate for her "lacking" physique is way hotter than a fat ass to me
>>571688705Okay scratch what I said before, I just scrolled up, how the fuck is this "no ass"
>>571693361huhin any case, i believe it already was used as OP with the sample watermark before so there's no needi'll just post the iXDC amiami one once it arrives but since it's a combined order it'll probably arrive in a month and somebody would already post a sampless of that anyways
Why did they write "unlock their true potential" multiple times?
The best one of those is still Roro in the modest wedding dress.
>>571694889Somebody at Inti must really like the Red Eyes Black Dragon. Sorry for the dice and coin support for those poor fools.
>>571691875>>571689016The Lux is smaller than I thought it'd be. Looks like he has to get up close and personal to slice up people.
Do you think Zonda would react well to extreme public displays of affection
>>571695872Is fire hot?
>>571696094I mean performed on her in front of lots of Eden members, she's gonna get smooched right after a speech
>>571693496But RoRo is working on the boat not Yoshiko. That's why Inti desperately wanted the yacht attention and Yacht Club still isn't tagging them.
>>571694504just sounds like cope-ing
>>571694268He doesn't say that
>>571696776>But RoRo is working on the boat not Yoshiko>Says Yoshiko while staring down the new Roro gravure set from her boat the S.S. Five Gacha Flops
>>571698409>still in denial that Lola's working on the boat to even get funds for "gravure" that for a fact doesn't sell>still coping with the fact that Yoshiko owns boats while Lola has to work on one under a rat
>>571693840>Remembers Voltaic Rage (Re:Age)Please stop with these attack names
Which X games are moon games, which are sun games?>X1: Unclear>X2: Unclear, there's the sunny stage, but also the mysterious "Savor Moon R">X3: Sun, golden X>X4: Sun, Nova strike>X5: Moon. Colony drop is some moon-ass hit.>X6: Moon, "Moon Light">X7: Sun, Red Alert>X8: Moon. Final battle is literally on the moon
>October 22 release dateAfter the iX stream, they'll start focusing on GX. Unless they cancel a stream, that means 7 streams + 1 release stream. As all of you know, on the streams leading up to a Gunvolt release, they will do character introductions cohosted by the VAs. Who do you think we'll get? I don't know if we will get GV's VA as he's a big shot (as a reminder, there was no Kaito/GV stream for GV3), but maybe Copen. I have no idea on the remainder. It could be anyone. For GV3, of the 16 characters they picked, only 2 of them didn't have a meaningful conversation with GV (Elise and Gibril).
>>571691875https://youtube.com/watch?v=VczVFKF3uGA
>Azure Striker Gunvolt Trilogy Enhanced Nintendo Switch 2 Edition - Release Date Trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVRfVrOJ-Mo
>>571696308Grabbing a handful of Panterass infront of Tenjian to make sure he knows she's getting the BMC (Big Minos Cock) after the Eden meeting...
>>571701001We are flying in uncharted territory as INTI has never done anything like GX before. Every stream could have an old favorite on there, but none of them would have a serious role in game. If they had a Nova or Zonda stream, unless they showed those characters in GX, I wouldn't get too hyped.Or maybe they'll be cohosting with the GV3 cast again, although I doubt it as those VAs are expensive to drag out for just a stream when we know the Dragons + Kirin won't have new dialog in GX, and ATEMS probably won't either.Or maybe it will be like the iX1+2 streams where they just grab a nobody VA from one of the audio dramas to cohost.
>>571700916X1 ends with a sunrise.
>>571701712that's true, that's a sun move right there
>>571698653If that is the case, you should have an easy time showing us Yoshiko's next game, right?
Why they're shilling Sonic so much with Megaman??? Do they think it'll make that fanbasw buy DO when they're not even buying their own games???
>>571694416>>571693840>>571691875>>571689194If only it was mainline Copen, not iX. You have an easy excuse for a teamup with the amnesia plot line right there.
>>571702165There's a lot of overlap between the Sonic, MegaMan, and Gunvolt fandom outside here.
>When you realize the entire plot of GV1 was basically one faction of Sumeragi manipulating GV against the other Sumeragi factions>GV never realizes thisGonna laugh so hard if Xiao is Sumeragi too, even if I think he's more likely to have been former Eden and is now playing everyone against each other.
>>571701453Nine inches deep in Zonda nine minutes after the meeting, what could be better
>>571702871It's very cyberpunk that the schizo megacorp somehow always manages to stay one step ahead, even if the protagonist has incredible powers.
>>571702871INB4 Copen is also technically Sumeragi without even realizing it
>>571675960Those will be coming off when it's time for her daily attitude correction. Can't have her kicking me in the face.
So the ones that got the trilogy in sw1 got fucked right?
Now that it's been a couple months since its release, what are our thoughts on Kingdom's Return? Have you Returned to your Kingdom since then? Did you buy the Gal Gun DLC? Did you play it at all?
>>571705889Just buy the game again!
>>571707563At this point 70% of gunvolt sales have to be repacks of gv1
>>571705889There's an upgrade pack that costs 10 USD but you'll need a Switch 2 to take advantage of it, obviously. iX3 isn't getting a Switch 1 version either so better start migrating before they raise the Switch 2's price in September.
>>571707414Bought it but haven't even taken it out from it's shrink-wrap yet because I was in the middle of other games. I'll get to it eventually.
>>571707414it's way too small of a game, I'm disappointed with how shallow it waseven the town building disappointed
>>571702362It would've been a far more satisfying payoff after so much strife to finally see them stand on some common ground, but no one at Inti really cares enough about Copen to write him a proper character arc. Not even in his own spinoff.A character arc is what happens between the start and the end. It involves the character realizing that they need to change, and it is the process of how and why they accomplish it. He did none of that. He didn't grow or change in any way. He was just genocidal one day and, the very next day, decided he was over it with nothing in between.
>>571707414I liked the demo ok but seemed very limited, I never actually got the game, I got ill around the release date.Not sure I want to take it untill a sale, i'm trying DMFD and just the intro seems a lot more explansive than what KR offers.
>>571711189He did in iX, just off screen.
>>571712343A character arc isn't when you start at point A and then suddenly jump to the end. Likewise, a character just deciding that they are now okay isn't an arc either. And it is kinda hard to justify during a very real and on-going minos extermination that completely validated Copen's initial beliefs about adepts. A conflict that also robbed him of everyone he cherished.But whatever. It's clearly not something Inti wants to think about so we shouldn't either.
Does someone know the specifics of the "balance updates" in the new iX collection? All the steam page says is "spike smash system" and that's the only mention of it
>>571713951A better razor wheel for iX2.That'll be 22.50 burgerbucks + tips.
>>571714539Finally, some good fucking food.
>>571714524>A better razor wheel for iX2And that's it?
>>571715109https://gunvolt.miraheze.org/wiki/Gunvolt_Chronicles:_Luminous_Avenger_iX_1%2B2_Dual_Collection
>>571715109Darkness Trigger now buffs the main weapon too in iX1, any other balance changes haven't been specified but they're most likely very minor. But acting like all the iX collection has to offer is balance changes is disingenuous as fuck. You also get an endless boss rush mode for both games with various settings to mess with and the infamously expensive iX2 DLC is now included by default (with how much people cried about them I doubt even half of the people who bought iX2 even bothered getting it's DLC) making it a pretty decent deal. You might not care about these additions but they're still there.
>>571715441>Having 500 or more Kudos will increase Homing Shot damage from 30 to 50, and double the damage output of melee attacks.>even the razor wheel fix is locked behind kudos and until then is still shitty to use and scores a pathetic 30 kudos per kill Sigh. I was hoping they'd learned their lesson when they gave Copen his airdashes back in the GX trailer. Guess not.
>>571715760>But acting like all the iX collection has to offer is balance changes is disingenuous as fuck.It would be if I actually did that you tardraging moron. I made it clear I only cared to know about the balance changes from the outset. I dont care about the shiny new bells and whistles if the iX2 gameplay is still shit.
>>571715790It's a bit late to make radical changes to a finished game at this point, bandaid solutions is as much you could expect without raping the game balance.
>>571716025That part wasn't aimed at you specifically, just in general considering that's a common attitude I see regarding this collection, even the guy you replied to was talking like that.
>>571716113>without raping the game balance.The thing is, the fixes are right there. Just give him his airdashes back with that DLC locked upgrade, or put emblems back in. But for some reason they want their players to suffer through the shitty saw form. Oh well
>>571715790It's a welcoming change as the pizzacutter dealt LESS damage than Kirin's blunt metal pipe, which was just all kinds of sad. It's still so fucking slow and the bosses so mobile that I doubt it will see much use either way.
>>571702470There's not. What there is, is bad blood between Sonicscum and Mega Man fans. And that's an understatement due to how much bad blood there is between the Sonic fandom and every other fandom not named Undertale.
>Lola used the term cyberpunk to describe stuff in GXAt least they're self aware.
>>571719627>There's not.Why lie? Just a cursory glance around the internet proves you wrong.
>>571704525This is how I think that Gerbil as a wife would be.Still having the tsundere act in public but as soon as she's alone with her minos she flips into the hugbug more.
>>571721386No, it proves that the Sonic fandom thinks that they can leech of anything that's popular.
>>571722016>leech of anythingYou're allowed to like more than one thing, you know?
>>571722325Really?In my /mmg/ + /inti/?
>>571714539>>571714932
>>571702135Yoshiko doesn't have a new game but she has other idol works like concerts on land. Lola's "new games" have to be paid with her running to a rat to work on a boat to get funding. Simple as.
Looks like GX will be around 1500 yen, so 10 dollars if they don't raise it for overseas markets.
>>571723240Why isn't she pregnant, Jiibui?!
Oh boy, every one is going to go nuts for the next stream.
>>571724573They introducing doing Zonda or Xiao?
>>571724770
>>571724573>>571724927>nothing man to say there's nothing in the collection release
>>571724927
>>571724573>>571724927The Japanese were freaking out when they flashed this.
>>571725193Nice nothing drawing
>>571725335Funny seeing the reaction on twitter as well. I'd expect a reveal like this to be one of the last characters. I wonder who the fuck they'll follow him with. Japanese are joking this is just Claw (GV2) 10th Anniversary Edition right now.
>>571724927No fucking way.
>>571724927Potential to be the biggest Nothing of all time.
>>571723805Andrew already said in an English stream that it'll be 10 USD, so it's not even speculation anymore.
>>571724927IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!!!!
>>571726517He speculated around 10 to 15 dollars IIRC.
>>571724132But she is?
>buy the $10 dlc to get the TRUE end!The fuck is this? Are we in 2012 again?
>>571726968It's a whole new campaign with new story, gameplay mechanics and most likely some new levels+bosses. Stop being a disingenuous nigger.
>>571721929>her minos*Gunvolt
>>571726571Going off of GV3, if he's introduced in a game stream, he has a 90% chance of being in the game. I don't know why they'd be focusing on XIAO of all characters unless he was in GX. If it was a popular character with an inexpensive VA you'd have a leg to stand on. That's why Elise's VA gets grabbed regularly. Gibril's VA is on there often enough too, because she's willing to take less pay as she really liked the character and wants to do more VA work for her.
>>571726747If something like this isn't the ending CG of GX I will personally start mailing dogshit to Inti's address every day until they patch it in.
>>571724927AAAAAAAAHHH!
>>571727172>and most likely some new levels+bossesYou mean new level and boss. We know we're getting dragon savior weapons.
New mid stage dialogue, translator anon where you at?https://www.youtube.com/live/eoqRj0RA6TUStarts at 12:50
>>571725193WHAT DOES IT SAY
>>571727478We knew about the Dragon Saviours since day one, what they'll do with Atems is the real question.
>>571727172It's the principle behind hiding the real conclusion behind an extra paywall after you've already bought the game. Real scummy practice.
>>571727223You better have a dog to make good on that one.
>>571719627Is everyone in this thread completely delusional what are you even talking about
>>571727717Skip them for the "true boss" only for the morbing to happen (again).
>>571727821You're getting way more than just an ending but okay. Not sure why you care anyway since you don't even play the games to begin with, you larper faggot.
>>571727717>>571728274We've seen footage of Atems stages, the real question is what about Sunrise Palace
>>571728084Sonicfags have caused shit. Him being a sonicfag projects shit.
>>571728274>Skip themThey said GX is a full length campaign though.
>>571728365Doesn’t make it right, a company that really cares about making good games wouldn’t lock an essential part of the story behind a paywall. This is Ubisoft, EA & Bioware faggotry.>you don't even play the games to begin with, you larper faggotDoes so...
>>571729168When you make a video game you generally have to play the video game to see the ending of the video game. I'm not aware of many cases where this isn't true.
>>571729450The makers of the video game have to play the video game to see the ending of the video game?
>>571726968That's 10 bucks to get the follow-up to GV2 as well, honey.
>>571724927Did the meme come true?
You guys know it's just going to be an excuse plot to get playable Copen and nothing else really, right. They're going to do a cool handshake and then Copen will just go away at the end
>>571714539>>571723240Artist?
>>571730023>pay 10 bucks>get nothing>infinite social credit in Chinahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_o47Gs6DQ0
>>571730417Unironically the best opportunity for Inti to tie up the remaining loose ends. It's a shame it couldn't have been with mainline Cope, but in a post GV3 world he only exists as an idea in the ether along with Zeno and Moniqa.
>>571731057Well yeah cause they're dead from old age
>>571729168>Does so...Post your copies then, with a timestamp of course.
>>571730183100% yes, trust the plan.
>>571731423There's no reason why The Eternal Cope couldn't just android it up in every timeline. The world evidently still requires minos solutions to adept problems.
>>571732295He wouldn't need to if his sister wasn't in a jar
>>571727545I'm tired today, man. Anyway, you know how GV3 loves GV1 over GV2? GX's dialog so far has a lot of GV2 callbacks.------------INTRO CONVO:Acura:電脳九龍街……巨大なアミューズメント施設らしいが･･･Lola:ネオン看板にちょっと寂れた街並み･･･なんだか、サイバーパンクってフンイキだねぇ。GV:トラップも多そうだ･･･気を付けて進もう。Acura: Cyber Kowloon... It’s supposed to be a massive amusement complex, but... Roro: Neon signs and a slightly run-down cityscape... It’s got a real cyberpunk vibe to it. GV: Looks like there are plenty of traps, too... Let’s proceed with caution.-------Skipping next convo, it's boring. They're just discussing swapping to get around the shutters.-------Shutters 02Morpho:『ああいうのって強敵のいる部屋を区切って、 突入前に一息つく為のものよね』GV:シャッターって、本来は防犯用じゃないの･･･?Morpho: "Those things are meant to section off rooms with tough enemies, giving you a moment to catch your breath before charging in, right?"GV:"Aren't shutters actually supposed to be for security...?---------Sinners Row, Meeting Copen and ZondaGV:この一帯は歓楽街を再現しているのか･･･ボクがアキュラと初めて出会った場所も、 こんな景色だったな･･･Copen:歓楽街･･･か。GV:あの時に会った第七波動能力者……あまり思い出したくない相手だった･･･Copen:そんなに恐ろしいヤツなのか･･･GV: Is this area meant to recreate an entertainment district...? The place where I first met Acura looked just like this, too... Copen: An entertainment district... huh. GV: That Adept I met back then... Someone I never want to think about ever again... Copen: Is he really that terrifying...?---------
>>571732295I'm like 99% sure Creator wasn't 'borged since he showed visible signs of aging and that would have locked him out of operating the Tower when he still could before he left to go get milk
>>571734195>Idol TalkRoro:あれ、モルフォの電飾だよね?さっすが、国民的ヴァーチャルアイドル!Morpho:『ふふ、ありがと。あなたも元の世界ではアイドルなのよね?』Roro:こっちはネットアイドルだけどね。“希望の歌姫”なーんて呼ばれたりしてるんだよ?MVもいろいろつくってるから、あとでモルフォにも見せてあげるよ!Roro:そうだ、モルフォ!せっかくだし、デュエット動画なんてどうかな?Morpho:『そうねぇ･･･GV?アタシとロロのデュエット、 聴いてみたい?』GV:二人のデュエットか･･･Acura:なにか嫌な思い出でもあるのか･･･?デュエットに。Roro: Hey, isn't that a light display of you, Morpho? As expected of a national virtual idol! Morpho: "Hehe, thank you. You're an idol in your original world too, aren't you?" Roro: Well, I'm an internet idol over there. They even call me the "Diva of Hope," you know? I've made a bunch of music videos, too— I'll show them to you later!Roro: Oh, I know—Morpho! Since we're at it, how about a duet video? Morpho: "Hmm... GV?Would you like to hear a duet between me and Roro?" GV: A duet, huh... Acura: Do you have some bad memories... ...associated with duets?----------->MinibossGV:閉じ込められたか･･･!Morpho:「なにこのマシン?どうしてこんなものがゲームセンターに･･･?』Acura:この世界の遊戯施設は随分と物騒なんだな。GV:そうじゃないと思いたいけど･･･龍放射の影響かな?Morpho:『すごいのね･･･龍放射って･･･』GV: Trapped, huh...! Morpho: "What is this machine? Why is something like this in an arcade...?" Acura: The amusement facilities in this world sure are dangerous places. GV: I’d like to believe that’s not the case, but... Could it be the effect of the Dragon Radiation? Morpho: "It's incredible... this Dragon Radiation..."
>>571730512Got0 Naisho, I have a back view bonus pending too but if this was any indication that's like 4 months off.
>>571734195>That Adept I met back then... Someone I never want to think about ever again...
>>571730417It's just an excuse to see how much they can get away with rereleasing GV3 and people thinking 'trust the plan' for a continuation as if they originally they didn't plan on cutting MMZ at 3 with loose threads.
>>571734706>Do you have some bad memories... ...associated with duets?Brutal as hell
>>571735243Time to etch a sketch her existence then.
>>571735243>>571734195I think it's meant to be a joke because of how uncomfortable fake Zonda made GV. It does confirm that Zonda is definitely not in the first half of GX and Morbed GV and her are not friendly, else the line would be worded differently.
>>571731423GV3 takes place a vague number of "decades" after the original games. That's anywhere from 30 years to 80 years. All important characters in GV are young so they could easily still be alive. The timeskip was just an excuse to abandon everything because Choujin Locke did it.
>>571731057To be honest, nobody really cared that much about Zeno and Moniqa. It would have been nice to get a throwaway line about what happened to them, but Moniqa was always the boring nice girl, like all nonadepts, while Zeno was the annoying clingy otaku bro who doesn't seem to ever do anything.
>>571734195>>571734706This entire ordeal has to be so fucking confusing for iX. Can't wait for the big dramatic moment between Gunvolt and Xiao and Copen is just>Wuh...? Huh??
>>571736398Moniqa is just GV1's Alia.
>>571736136realistically it has to be at least 2 to 3 generations if adepts are most of the population by then
Does his septima help him make the best pizza and pasta?
>>571734195>GV:>That Adept I met back then... Someone I never want to think about ever again...Copen wouldn't want to remember either. ( ´˘`) -ᴗ-) ´˘`) -ᴗ-)
>>571734706>Armed CamerasAcura:あの監視カメラ･･･武装が付いているな。Roro:やっぱり物騒だよ! このゲームセンター!GV:これもまた暴龍の影響なのか･･･?Roro:台パンでもしようものなら、バキューン! だね････Acura: That surveillance camera... it's armed. Roro: This arcade is seriously dangerous! GV: Is this another effect of the *Dragon Radiation*...? Roro: If you were to slam a machine in frustration... *Bang!* You'd get shot...------>Explosive FansGV:センサー式の誘導機雷…触れれば執拗に追跡してきそうだ。Morpho:『熱心に追ってくれるファンなら歓迎なんだけれど･･･』GV:こっちは爆発物だからね･･･GV: Sensor-based homing mines... If you trigger one, it looks like it’ll pursue you relentlessly. Morpho: "I’d welcome a fan who chases after me so eagerly, but..." GV: The problem is, these ones are explosives...
>>571739061>Roro:>If you were to slam a machine in frustration...>*Bang!* You'd get shot...Lmao based Lola
>>571739061The game references MGB, where Copen got super pissed when he found out his sister's favorite game series was pro-adept. Mytyl is hinted to like adept culture, as her favorite idol is Lumen and she's always getting adept friendly media that Copen ends up having to destroy.---->A High Octan GirlRoro:さっきの「熱心なファン」で思い出したけど、 アイドルと戦ったこともあったなあ。Acura:アイドルと･･･オレが?Roro:分身する能力でステージ演出を作り出して、 戦場をライブ会場に変えてね。Acura:戦場で･･･ライブ･･･?Roro:囚人の看守だとばっかり思ってたら実はアイドルで、フルスロットルな娘だったなぁ･･･Acura:なにを言っている?Roro: That "enthusiastic fan" from earlier reminded me—I actually fought an idol once, too. Acura: An idol... and me? Roro: She used her ability to create clones for stage effects, turning the battlefield into a live concert venue. Acura: A live concert... on the battlefield...? Roro: I thought she was just a prison guard, but it turned out she was an idol. She was one high-energy girl... Acura: What are you talking about?----->Game for MytylAcura:遊技場………遊技場か。Morpho:「あら? ゲームとか興味あるの?』Acura:それすら思い出せないが、なにか記憶を刺激するような気はするな。Roro:特別好きってワケじゃあないと思うけど、むかーしむかし家族のためにゲームを作ったコトもあったから、それでじゃないかな?Acura:そうなのか?聞いてもまったくピンとこないな･･･Acura: An arcade... An arcade, hmm? Morpho: "Oh? Are you interested in games or something?" Acura: I can't even recall that much, but I do feel like it's stirring up some kind of memory. Roro: I don't think you were particularly into them, but way back when, you actually made a game for your family—maybe that's why? Acura: Is that so? It doesn't ring a bell at all...
>>571739358>Roro:>She used her ability to create clones for stage effects, turning the battlefield into a live concert venue.>Acura:>A live concert... on the battlefield...?Do you mess up, translator-anon? why is copen getting confused about killing Isola from.iX1?
>>571739627Because Cope has memory loss anon.
>>571739996Isnt GV the one with memory loss? This is fucked up
>>571740260>This is fucked upThat's just Inti MO.
>>571735903If he had the power to erase her, wouldn't it be better to just get her and Tenjian adopted? Having more well-adjusted powerful adepts out there would help stabilize things. GV needs to stop thinking with such an assassin mindset.
>>571740260GV seems to have fuzzy memories, Copen seems to barely know what the fuck happened anywhere at any point, he doesn't even remember his exhibitionist token loli.
>>571738998But Zonda thinks about him a lot.
>>571740898Akuma ass intro.
>>571740260He's just doing his best "president of the US" impression. The guy is like 114 years old, someone get grandpa to bed.I wonder if there is going to be a point to this amnesia nonsense, or if he's just going to recover at exactly the most dramatically convenient moment.
>>571730183Everyone is expecting Xiao to be the villain, but he'll be an ally again. It'll turn out to be his pendant that's allowing GV to summon Lumen, and he'll be trying to resolve the time ordeal too. Believe it!>Buh JouleJoule who? She's gone. Get over it. Neither you nor the Zondafags are going to see your 130 cm butterfly again.
>>571735243>>571734195I think she'd be happy to know she left such an impression that GV is still reeling from it despite decades passing and even a rebirth.
>>571740898>thanks for "hosting" me, Copen. *winks*>Roro looks off to the side sheepishly>Gunvolt completely stone-faced
>>571740563
>>571735243I guess the people who said GV felt a vindictive thrill watching Zonda cry out for her brother were right if he still hates her this much. I still don't know what INTI wants me to feel towards these characters. Why introduce Zonda, subvert her looks/age by making her creepy, then make you feel bad by revealing her background, Tenjian's sacrifice, and her breakdown, then show another side of her in the drama CD, but then have GV be like "she's a monster and I still really want her to die?" It is really confusing to me, especially when GV has a nuanced perspective towards Nova, Asimov, ZED, and Copen nowadays after his character development.
>>571743524See >>571743105GV's ideal world is where wicked people are punished but do not exist. Nova and Zonda's ideal world would be one where everyone is happy, but they don't see that as achievable. It's why GV is an antihero while the people he fights are antivillains.
>>571743678>GV's ideal world is where wicked people are punished but do not exist.> punished but do not exist.punished *or* do not exist4chan won't let me delete posts anymore. Just another scheme to get me to buy passes.
The best way for GX to end: Copen gets MGB'd again right before the final battle, everyone is so dumbfounded that they all decide "fuck it" and go off to do something else while Copen is lying on the ground, confused, sore and traumatized with Lola is floating there at a loss for words
>>571743524Inti doesn't want you to think too much about it. All you need to know is that the electroboy will do anything for his butterfly, and dispatch of any who harms her.
>>571743524It's just a joke about how she traumatized him with her perverted pretty boy illusion who wanted to bang him. It'd be hilarious to see someone call her bluff. Ironically, I think you could unbalance her, because her illusions don't put out for her fervent fanclub within Sumeragi.
>>571729168It's not like they made the original game shit on purpose. They already put out one free update to (attempt to) fix the ending. And honestly, I don't expect this new campaign to be anything much better.
>>571744867Then shortly after, Roro overwrites her own database and deletes all instances of Copen and inputs GV as her new boss.
>>571743524>It is really confusing to meIt's because Tsuda and Tai want her to be different things. Tsuda wants her to be Lady Kahn, which is a character to be hated by the audience, and wants everyone in game to treat her as such. That's a big ask for the audience considering she looks and sounds so cute, and she's literally the youngest character in Gunvolt, but it can be done. Tai and the artists want her to be a tragic character who you want to see redeemed. Hence, all the non-Tsuda controlled material downplaying her villainy and introducing more innocent or comedic qualities to her. Even GV3 kind of downplayed her fake form. In GV2, her fake form could be very mean and cutting, whereas GV3's fake Zonda was just a silly pervert, even with the lines about purging nonadepts.
>>571745460Honestly, I'd love acting like Copy Zonda directly to true Zonda to see how she reacts to it, I could do a pretty good imitation of both the act and the body language of the male version
Uh I think Shantaefag wonhttps://www.rockman-corner.com/2026/06/mega-man-gear-masters-1-shantae-cosplay.html?m=1
>>571746345>Tsuda wants her to be Lady Kahn, which is a character to be hated by the audience, and wants everyone in game to treat her as such>Tai and the artists want her to be a tragic character who you want to see redeemedI somewhat doubt that, and does it even really matter when the outcome is the same? Tai had every opportunity to showcase Eden in a better light when he was given the go-ahead to make his own personal timeline split, and that's kinda the interesting parts about AUs, they allow for such things. He didn't.I also doubt Tai is the "redemption guy" at Inti. I didn't get the feel that he necessarily wanted any of the iX characters to even get a chance at standing down. Just more of the "let's kill all of our good characters and it's very cathartic" shit we're used to.
>>571747818Honestly thinking about itEden in iX ending up as a hero faction with severely limited resources due to how Asimov handled Sumeragi would've been a cool twist on things for LAiX
>>571747818It's based around Tsuda saying that Zonda's death was a piece of GV2's happy ending when Tai said it was a painful ending. Tai also said he liked Eden's Party and went on to push for retcons that lined up with it. And Tai treated the iX antagonists with far more sympathy in game than the GV1/GV2 antagonists got, with Lola feeling sad or mixed about killing a few of them and Copen feeling emotionally worn out. Most of the iX2 antagonists didn't even die in the good ending, despite a few of them participating in the culling of the human race. In GV1/GV2, the characters are blasé after they kill someone or even angrily happy.
>>571746345I'm with Tai on this one. Tsuda has all the cool ideas but also all the most retarded ones, and I'm counting iX2's stupidity, too. I think Tsuda's stupid is stupider since it doesn't jibe with the tone. iX can take a certain level of silliness, despite its seriousness, as it's not as story focused. Gunvolt can't. And Tsuda's retarded ideas apply to characters more so than crazy plot ideas, which I find worse as GV is a character driven story (although he has those too, see nuking Japan, or reversing the villain GV mid-development causing tons of issues for the dev team). So while a Blaster Master crossover is retarded, it doesn't fuck up the tone of the game as much as a psychopathic 10-year-old 130 cm tall Loli Kahn masterfully manipulating others and masterminding all the plots throughout the game. I get the appeal of "what if cute but monster," but that only works in shit that's trying not to end every game on a serious tragedy.Gunvolt is trying to make you cry like a bitch, so that sort of silliness ends up taking you out of the experience. Tai said as much about Nova. You can't have a 14-year-old be the founder and President of a Megacorp that controls Japan and has global influence, and expect the tragedy to be taken seriously. Either write something slightly tongue-in-cheek, like Toaru, or try to be less outrageous. That's why Tai kept trying to retcon her into being a figurehead who is still a kid deep down. It's better for the drama.
>>571747818Eden is irrelevant in iX because GV2 never happens. That's the only reason.
>>571749350Tragedy can have silly and it can have edge, it just can't be edgy silly, or you'll have no tragedy. Tai is trying to avoid picture related, which is what would happen if you let Tsuda get too kooky.
>>571748348This general has at times dabbled in the fanfic that Copen could've allied with Eden early on in the iX timeline. It works really well.>>571748489It's kinda vague to base it around that alone, I think Tsuda just has more tunnelvision than a speed train in some circumstances. Like, in some aspects, the ending of GV2 is happy for Mytyl & Joule at least. Joule is no longer some intangible septimal ghost hovering around and Mytyl is no longer a mute, ailing paraplegic confined to her bed. They're reborn as the person they were always meant to be, so in that aspect it *is* happy. So long as you disregard the fact that Gunvolt first lost Joule, then he lost Lumen & Copen losing Mytyl, with both of them just left with no personal victory in the end.It's been a while since I played iX but I don't recall Copen being particularly rueful at having to kill adepts who're practically blackmailed into fighting him.
>>571747487Cringe, can they stop forcing all these collabs now onto our poor Blue Bomber?
>>571750157Understood, Megaman + Rance Collab coming in 2027
>>571750372Hide your Levs and your Pandos!
>>571750372yo-hannies are inter property thoughbeit
>>571750014He said in the OCW interview that Zonda, Quinn, Joule, and Mytyl were all pieces of why he thought the ending was happy, which is why the reaction from people shocked him.
>>571750869Honestly, part of me feels bad for him if he thinks GV2 had a happy ending, someone has to really go through some shit for that to be any shred of "happy"
>>571750014>It's been a while since I played iX but I don't recall Copen being particularly rueful at having to kill adepts who're practically blackmailed into fighting him.He's more confused or angry at Sumeragi. He's not particularly torn about it. It's better than the reactions in GV1 and GV2, where they will compliment each other for killing adepts or treat the entire thing as a mission well done (even in cases like Elise). There's a lot of friction between the audience's views and the character's, and it's felt even more acutely because you are controlling said characters, but they never do anything interesting with it except use it for shock (like a character crying and GV just telling them off).
>>571747487Looks like we have our next OP.
>>571747818Eden's only in a position to do anything in Japan because Sumeragi got weakened. If they actually got stronger following 1 Eden just gets shoved out.Also blah blah they are all dead of old age blah blah and also minos are already oppressed blah
>>571746345Well, it looks like Precure just nuked any weigth Tsuda's idea could have had. But he might cripple Zonda in revenge like he did with Copen.>>571749781Do those women end up getting CLOWN'D?
>>571750014>This general has at times dabbled in the fanfic that Copen could've allied with Eden early on in the iX timeline. It works really well.It's a lot cooler than what canonically happened; Copen just got worn down. There was no dramatic epiphany, just gradual acceptance that his dream was impossible. He didn't even give it up on moral grounds, just pragmatic ones. According to the complete works, he still views his inability to complete his father's genocidal dreams with regrets. It really does send the message that their is no crossing over in Gunvolt. Once you are on one side or the other, it doesn't matter if you are 6 or 60, you are stuck there, and the only solution is a bullet to the head. If they'd gone with the original concept for Grazie, she'd probably have died with the same hate in her heart, because there is no cure for hatred in Gunvolt but DEATH.
>>571751213He's a boomer and a fan of classic anime. Ever seen galaxy express 999? The very first episode has the kid protag see his mother get murdered right in front of him. Then he guns them all down in cold blood after stealing a rifle, then he ogles at a naked Maetel. And this all happens within the first HALF of the episode, literally the first 13 minutes.The more classic anime you watch, the better grasp you'll have on Tsuda's way of directing. Even if he's not good at capturing the material he's inspired by.
>>571751775>Do those women end up getting CLOWN'D?Yes. Tortured, raped, and cannibalized. It's a very edgy manga, but it wants to have its dramatic moments. Trouble is, the tragedy cannot be taken seriously juxtaposed with stuff like that.
>>571751802doesn't this say the opposite though
>>571747487Did he really? Just looks like Shantae wants MM cash after originally betting it on MN9.
>>571751804That's pretty tame. And even for classic anime, some of GV is ridiculous and nihilistic when you peel things back. Akira is probably going to be closest in tone (not Locke), but even that treated its piece of shit psychic kid villains tragically when it killed them instead of "yo, MC is so sick cutting the shota/loli in half."
>>571753684>Akira is probably going to be closest in tone (not Locke), but even that treated its piece of shit psychic kid villains tragically when it killed them instead of "yo, MC is so sick cutting the shota/loli in half."You're pretty hung up on this point. It's pretty normal in anime for kids to be killing kids. I've read shonen where all the characters were 4-8, and they were murdering each other and everyone was treating it as normal in setting.
>>571752869Other way around; Udon wants the Shantaebux to boost MM sales. which is kinda sad
>>571751802>Copen just got worn down. There was no dramatic epiphany, just gradual acceptance that his dream was impossible. He didn't even give it up on moral grounds, just pragmatic onesIt's such a bizarre dismissive handwave. Why would he just give up under the circumstances that validates his extremist views the most? I'm not sure if it's to uphold status quo for some bizarre reason, or if it's just an ultra lazy short-cut to avoid writing a proper arc for him. Properly the latter. The one thing that's for certain is Inti really missed out on something amazing here.Copen continues the trend of being the most bungled Inti character of them all.
>>571753974Nah. We know the X comics did fine and they had swimsuit collections for years with Street Fighter. Shantae just recently by a couple of years started doing what Street Fighter's done for near a decade. This is just Shantae leeching from MM since the 12 demo is coming in a couple of months and the comic releases on September.
>>571754089To be completely fair, he probably saw a LOT of cases over the years where Adepts were eating shit too and watching their non-adept family members get fucked (e.g. Blade and Kohaku) and it made him question a lot
>>571754089>under the circumstances that validates his extremist views the most?It doesn't though. The idea that the Butterfly Effect is needed to maintain this state of affairs and that it's also oppressing the adepts at the same time to enforce this contradicts that idea, and that's his actual goal so he has to be aware of that. He knows it's top-down.
>>571754303Udon themselves have stated multiple times that the Shantae swimsuit specials outperform most of their Capcom books, and even if we ignore that; this is still Udon slapping Shantae on the cover of a Megaman comic to get Shantae fans to buy it. Her side doesn’t benefit from this unless they pull a Splash Woman+Giga Mermaid variant out their ass for AX.
>>571755565>swimsuit specials outperform most of their Capcom booksSame way the Street Fighter Swimsuits do.>Her side doesn’t benefit from thisLiterally money. They already have girl covers before the Shantae one was even shown.
>>571753924It's actually not that common in the shonen genre that GV wants to ape. Aesthetically edgy manga like Kagurabachi are popular right now, but actually edgy manga, where the antihero is a rutheless dirtbag who crosses all sorts of lines or everything and everybody is portrayed as unrelentingly bad, is not.Typically, when there is killing involved, it's kid/teen heroes vs mature looking characters (so older teens and adults). That's to avoid cases like Gunvolt, where you have a more mature looking hero killing a much smaller/cuter character, since it makes them look unsympathetic. And kids like beating up or outcompeting adults. They don't like beating down since it makes them feel like bullies.There are always exceptions, but kids (and editors) react negatively to it. See Nardo, where there was a significant throttle on the heroes killing their peers partway through (because it wasn't well received). There were still teen villains, they just weren't dying to the heroes. Akame-ga-Kill, which is a stupidly edgy manga (to the point of comedy), only killed off one of its teen villains (two if you count a minor one), and the other two were given redemption passes despite their crimes. Even Saint Seiya, a boomer manga that many of you spics should be familiar with, did this where around the gold arc, almost all the villains were adults (disregarding the anime fillers). Kid villains are for rivaling and maybe befriending, not killing.
>>571756381I really don't like the look of modern popular manga right now. It's all because of CSM and JJK.
>>571756875Don't worry Kubo's coming to save the day.
>>571754532The entirety of Asimov's reign is that it's the social circumstances of GV1+2, but reversed. Tai wanted the symbolism of Humanity being literally "kicked out of heaven." I don't believe for a second the guy that, under mainline circumstances, goes "BORN TO DIE WORLD IS A FUCK 鬼神 Kill Em All 20xx I am demon man 410,757,864,530 DEAD ADEPTS " is going to change his mind just because a few families got torn apart. He's probably responsible of that himself during his GV1 days.>>571755289During the times we take control, yes. Hatred like Copen's doesn't dissipate just because he knows they're indoctrinated. For Copen's regaining of composure to be believable he'd need to learn that adepts don't want all this fabricated hostility either, and that many hates Sumeragi just as much as him. Hence why the Eden shit would work well.
>Morb sacrifices self to send Gunvolt back to past>Implied to still be enemies with his Copen>Still hates Zonda's gutsLol, how much is he fucking up? Is the next stream's dialog going to reveal he still has a beef with Nova and decided to team up again with Asimov?
>>571758120People are primed for a redemption arc because of the villain stories, the youthfulness of the cast, and GV3's nonlethality, but they aren't getting anything but given the "you are beyond redemption" Oversurge speech and Lux'd again. Think Tsuda might actually throw out Eden's Party, and make Zonda more evil than Asimov, which is the sort of subversion he'd like. Nova's side story was already included, however. Most of his Justice Rage personality made it into GV3, to the point it overwrote a lot of his GV1 personality. Nova is a good boy and tragic villain, so has a good chance of getting redemption. I think that the game's writings hint to people being born with their traits and not really maturing out of them, so all the characters we see, like Nova, Elise, Merak, Viper, Gibril, or Zonda are just doomed to be who they are no matter what and there is no changing them. The only thing you can do for many of them, except Nova, is kill them. Gunvolt is unironically right whenever he says that they are irredeemable.
>>571758719>>571758120I wish I never listened to or read the drama CDs. I wish I could forget them.FUCK YOU INTI.
>>571758120You all thought he'd pull out, but Gunvolt never pulls out.
>>571751450Forever on topic.
>>571758120>team up with Nova after stopping him without killing>stop Asimov using Moniqa>tell Zonda to eat shitgg ez
>>571758842Jebaited
>>571758120I am going to laugh my ass off when this whole thing ends up happening inside GV's mind when Kirin fully seals morb and they fuse, ending with the same retarded ending as 3.
>>571759027He did tell them back in GV2 that they deserved the oppression that radicalized them and that if they just rolled over and submitted, the nonadepts would calm the fuck down. It's just X, but it makes even less logic. It's a two-sided issue.>>571759438Could see that with what the English streamer said, or maybe it's Xiao trying to stop him from Morbing to the past.
Butterflychads keeps winning.
>>571759571I just love how triggering Copen must be to some of the Eden adepts. >Asroc's family were burned alive>Copen burns Asroc alive >"It was a coffin too good for him">Tenjian and Zonda lost all their other orphan siblings to nonadepts and nearly died to rat poison>Copen keeps calling the two of them rats/vermin and makes fun of the "fake" sibling bonds between themAnd so on.
>>571759571>He did tell them back in GV2 that they deserved the oppression that radicalized themIn the JP version he simply says they're the ones making the world into hell with their supremacist views. You're stretching a bit there.>この世界を地獄にしているのはお前たちだ! お前たちの選民思想で、天国なんか… 楽園なんか作れやしない!
>>571758719What Gunvolt seems to think, and what they'll probably go with, is that hard circumstances and abuse don't make you who you are but reveal who you are. So a character like Elise was always evil, she just needed the right push. It's a bullshit message, especially as GV almost went evil himself after the events of GV1, although that will probably be retconned.
>>571752869From losing her thunder and making all her stretch goals due to Mighty Number 9 stealing her Kickstarter thunder to having to bail out Mega Man from another PR fiasco.
>>571760910Yeah sure thing anon, cannot possibly something more simple like abuse doesn't excuse lashing out against people that did fuck all to you or using innocents as a tool to fulfil your goals which while childish makes sense given the age of the characters, no it must be the most retarded thing possible.
>>571760764He said that they're the only ones and nonadepts are largely blameless. It's a sentiment he repeats. In the Dengeki profile, they said that GV realized the real problem with the world was Adepts abusing their power. He really only sees it going one way. To an individual adept though, they're not going to care that their neighbors are reacting to their feelings of powerlessness and hysteria from the Mutilator in the next county over when they drag his family out of their home and torture and lynch them.
>>571757717Issue is your thinking of Copen after the events of 2 instead of Copen after the events of 1, where he was beefing with Sumeragi specifically a lot more and was already focused on shutting down project muse. Without the events of 2 happening with Eden seemingly coming out of nowhere to cause problems from his perspective there isn't actually much to validate the notion of Adepts being an existential threat in the long term, just Sumeragi being the problem
>>571760910>is that hard circumstances and abuse don't make you who you are but reveal who you are. So a character like Elise was always evil, she just needed the right pushBased and Megamanpilled.Abuse doesn't excuse more abuse, and your origins shouldn't define who you are. You choose who you want to be.Take it from the guy who was designed to be the ultimate maverick, yet chose to be a hero of his own accord.
>>571754089At one point he did the math and found out that he could not make more bullets than the adepts make babies. Hell, what might have been the end of his dream must have been the statistics that show that the main cause of death for adepts are other adepts.>>571756227But it's Shantae the one that came to the rescue because the last Mega Man crossover with Street Fighter comic was a disaster.
>>571756227Udon does not have the balls to make the Mega Man swimsuit special that would make money. So leeching off Shantae it is.
>>571761304It doesn't excuse it, but the adept abusers are never held accountable either. They're just allowed to continue doing whatever. Also, GV doesn't view them as children. He calls all the adepts men and women, after all. GV views and judges them as fully formed adults. There's no maybe they were manipulated/groomed or they're ignorant (like GV was with Asimov). Even Zonda gets judged like an adult, and if she were an adult, GV's attitude would make complete sense. Maybe we should do the same. Except Quinn, Joule, Mytyl, and even Copen are judged as children, and Quinn is older than most of the characters GV kills. This is all so messy. Choose a standard and stick with it, INTI.Oh, but then there's those fucking CDs too. Maybe we should just ignore them. They make GV way easier to digest when I can just go back to the old days and pretend Nova and Zonda are 20 somethings, because age is meaningless in an anime unless they go out of their way to make it mean something, like they did in the fucking CDs.
>>571762767can't do much of a fucking special with only one character.
>>571762536More like Shantae is coming for the money because they know MMDO hype is around the corner.
>>571761759If someone other than Ciel had found him, he might not have been such a hero. That's what the entire ending spiel about not being a hero was about. And as far as abuse, what are you talking about? In the first case, Zero was redeemed with amnesia. In the second case, he awoke again with amnesia. He dealt with the ghosts of abuse, but his amnesia dulled a lot of it.
>>571761556Copen in GV1 was already dead-set on his adept exterminatory procedures thanks to good old Dr. K, he just also hates Sumeragi in equal measures. Sumeragi being the ones to abduct Mytyl would would only provide both him and Eden shared interest in bringing Sumeragi down, if not for the Muse alone then for Eden to be very against the whole Adept Subjugation thing Asimov has planned. It's also an organization with enough reach to realistically provide Copen with the tools and machinery he needs for his gear, which is paramount now that Nori is no longer around to fulfill that.
>>571724927It's a filler guest and you know it.
>>571763640That would be so fucking funny. 3 months of Xiaoposting only for Xiao to not be in the dlc at all.The ultimate nothing.
Godtier GX production, Zonda uses fake Zonda to anally abuse the entire cast of the series, thus ending the franchise's conflict by shattering the pride of every potential aggressor enough that nobody can bring themselves to start any new shit
>>571766013Based GayseX believer.
>>571766013Ascended production: Time reset. Zonda doesn't even exist.
>>571766808Joule got the last laugh.
>>571761304>>571762913How old is GV by this point, mentally? I'm surprised he isn't taking the damned kids approach yet.
Sex question for all the Zondafags hereIf you knew you would get sex with either or both of the other two Zondas afterwards as a reward with literally any kinks or bonuses you could think of, would you take getting fucked in the ass by fake Zonda's crystal cock
>>571767306He is called grandpa GV by Kirin when he reminiscences about what's not a vintage tank so there's that.
>>571739358>as her favorite idol is LumenTo the public Lumen was just an AI and had no connection with adepts, right?The MGB plot with the game was hilarious though. Copen didn't even try to destroy it, instead he set out to make a different and better game.
>>571767306GV is a very spiteful guy. He does not let things go, especially when it comes to Joule. Those troll fics that people post of GV going back in time and traveling around killing the GV1/GV2 bosses while they're still young and innocent are starting to look more in character.
>>571767464>To the public Lumen was just an AI and had no connection with adepts, right?Yeah. As far as the masses were concerned Lumen was a corporate virtual idol.
>>571767353That would kill me, so no.
>>571767419So Kirin is not a dog fucker glowie miko but also a graverober?
>>571763110That's the sad thing, the comic are supposed to keep the hype until MMDO.
>>571762913One of Gunvolt's inspirations is Toaru where all the psychics are teenagers often willing to kill each other.GV himself takes after Accelerator who killed nearly 10,000 clone girls as part of a level up experimennt before regretting it, and even after that the guy reduced his "rival" to a brain on the pavement for brutalizing a different girl.
>>571767353If you can't take Zonda, you don't deserve to give Zonda.
>>571767975For the sake of "fairness" let's just say that you're guaranteed to survive the whole ordeal and will be healed when it's over, but you're incapable of losing consciousness or even temporarily dying the entire time Zonda's crystal cock is inside you, is that still a no
>>571768439>supposednah
>>571768517>One of Gunvolt's inspirations is Toaru where all the psychics are teenagers often willing to kill each other.Only a small number are aiming to purposefully kill, more just don't care and want to end the fight, and most don't want to kill at all. The ones who do kill are often unsuccessful since ESPers are surprisingly durable in Toaru.>AcceleratorIIRC, he was only willing to kill them in bulk because he didn't see them as human. The first few kills still shook him up, but he gradually became desensitized to it, and then killing in general. As soon as one them started putting up a fight and being "human" in his mind, his barriers began breaking down, which is how he ended up taking care of Last Order after he got his ass beat.
>>571768238Yes.
>>571769356>>571768517Don't know if this was copied, but in Japanese, what they call the magical teenagers in Gunvolt and Toaru is the same (能力者 = Ability User). Like many questionable decisions, 8-4 decided to localize it as Adept, when Psychic or Esper would have made more sense.
>>571768517>One of Gunvolt's inspirations is ToaruAnd just like Toaru, Gunvolt suffers from poor writing.
>>571770239You're right. Gunvolt needs an Imagine Breaker.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DhX6sVcf0M
>>571769881>(能力者 = Ability User)You'll see that a lot in Japanese media.Some English materials at the start actually did call them psychics but for some reason they switched to adept.Maybe the reason was cultural difference. Psychic powers in western media brings to mind a specific ability set while it can be a much broader concept in Japanese.
>>571770239>Toaru doesn't go down the parallel world cancer route like Gunvolt did>Instead it compresses an absurd amount of events into a relatively small timespan while spinning its wheels on certain subjects for decades, resulting in one nonsensical worldHave I got that right?
>>571770816I know Touma is meant to have superhuman endurance and speed, but he would still be fucked against Copen or any Sumeragi mech. He'd be a nightmare for any adept though. Toaru adepts are stronger than their Gunvolt counterparts. GV might only beat somebody like Misaka because he's much more ruthless and willing to kill than she is.
>>571771685Why would Cope attack Touma?
>>571771825Copen hates all supernatural stuff, adepts are just at the top of the list. Touma would count as supernatural person and thus adept, or near enough, to be unatural and thus deserving of the bullit dash.
>>571768517>GV himself takes after AcceleratorOther than being "the strongest psychic" there's not much in common.
>>571769881There's also Seven espers who are a level above the rest, but unlike Gunvolt, they're not united outside extraordinary circumstances, and two of them are even main love interests to the hero (though he had to "defeat" them to get them interested).
>>571772375Both of them can't remember their real names
>>571771976So he'd get along with Misaka as they filter bubble about how magic doesn't exist and simultaneously console each other in their shared roles as designated jobbers?Could also make a point about yuribait and yaoibait.
>>571772581If he ends up back with his mom, shouldn't GV remember it on this loop?
>>571772757No, because Misaka is a literal 能力者 . She's using hypermathematics to tap into magical energies to project her powers/personal reality upon the world. In GV terms, she's an adept, and there's no arguing around it.
>>571773062There's some similarities between the settings, but Gunvolt adepts are randomly born anomalous beings while Toaru's espers are treated as consistent products of science (although they're actually not) created at Academy City's discretion.Copen might be very confused if he ever visited that world.
Can't believe we don't have a single divegrass edit this year. Can't one of you slop something up?
>>571773062Oh I'd fucking love to see that fight. The Jobber Minos Extraordinaire vs. Level 6 Potential Girl.S-tier adept fighting capabilities vs. third ranked level 5 Esper - both of them get low diffed every game/arc. Who'll reign supreme.
>>571773746No, but you can have this Joule.
>>571773746>unironically begging for slopdo it yourself? that's part of the reason ai is so popular: it allows talentless individuals (almost called them people) to access creative tools to produce content. you going to start asking the thread to wipe your ass, too?
Grokman
>>571762913You're supposed to judge them based on their mental ages. That is how GV does it. All the villains are adults since they lost their innocence. They are intelligent and emotionally mature enough to know what they are doing is wrong. They all knowingly and willingly chose their oath. Nova and Zonda are more mentally mature than Asimov or Moniqa, in fact. Unlike IRL people, their thought patterns are fully developed, so are unsalvageable. That is also why Xiao is treated as a 12 yr old adult and Elise is a 16 yr old adult while Quinn is a 17 yr old child. That is why GV finds the bad guy adepts so disgusting and comes down on them hard while being totally willing to spare biologically adult adepts like Apollo or Serpentine.
>>571773746who needs an edit?
>>571775717You can be talented and use AI because it eases the job just like photoshop does with it 1000 programmes in effects. Stop seething like a xiteredditard.
Engaging in extremely sexual flirting with Zonda directly in front of Tenjian
>>571773746I wish we could get the team back.
>>571776173>Apollo or SerpentineI know you're being sarcastic bringing these two up, as their backgrounds are literally>used to be a very bad kid, the type GV would have spat on after lux'ing them, but I grew out of itBut Gunvolt is very messy, not helped by GV being an unreliable and morally inconsistent narrator. Darker shonen kino like HxH touch on some of these themes, though GV is far too clumsy and doesn't have enough runtime to do any of it any justice.Or maybe Tsuda and Tai are just hacks, the inconsistencies are not purposeful, and we should be taking GV at his word.At the end of the day, the dividing line in GV's world is if you mess with Joule or not. Without Joule, he probably would not have gone so hard against Sumeragi or Eden, or held a grudge against these people after killing them and then getting his life reset. That's some real next level grudging though. Can you imagine being Viper and having a blue psycho pull an electric lightsaber on you while you're talking to your street punk buddies for literally no reason, or being Elise and getting an electric orb slammed into your face walking home from school one day?What is it about Joule that encourages this behavior? Do you think she'd support it, or find it romantic and encourage it?
>>571777510With how much rigging was done to keep Cope in the spot he was in even though he was getting carried it's probably for the best that it's gone
>>571777802>probably for the best that it's goneIt is not. And any non gacha scam team is a good thing.
>>571778041>It is notIt is.
>>571777773>What is it about Joule that encourages this behavior? Deep unconditional love and devotion. Most others wouldn't get it.Dooming the world for love is a controversial but staple trope in anime.
>>571776985Actual artists and AI aren't a good combo either. It leads to the works being uncanny and a decline in the artist's own creativity as they become reliant on the AI.
>>571778248>having less fun is a good thing
>>571775961I wonder which robot masters he would ape from the most
>>571778843>cheating was fun
>>571777773The fact that he's still grudging a loli is just really funny to me. Unless they retcon it, her true personality is:https://vocaroo.com/17McrBZhG65SIf this is a second run, then that means he's had at least over 30 years of life total, probably way more as he wasn't stuck as a dragon in the decades between GV2 and GV3.>Do you think she'd support it, or find it romantic and encourage it?Joule would absolutely love it, but also be sad that his heart was consumed by hate, and then get angry herself that those people dared make her GV hurt so much. Joule doesn't forgive people either if you remember how she liked GV blowing up the media tower, which wasn't even a military asset and full of soft targets.
>>571778591He autistically decided in that train that from that point on his sole goal was make that single girl happy, turns out despite being the most powerful being on the planet that endeavour lasted a grand total of 6 months and a few weeks before going to shit.
>>571779827>liked him blowing up media towerThat's what Asimov said and before you being up anime bullshit the OVA doesn't even follow the same events from the game.
>>571779827>Joule would absolutely love it, but also be sad that his heart was consumed by hate, and then get angry herself that those people dared make her GV hurt so much. Joule doesn't forgive people either if you remember how she liked GV blowing up the media tower, which wasn't even a military asset and full of soft targets.Thats one thing that bothers me over Zero, there are actual innocent people working in these areas. you'd think with all the out of game material and junk you'd show gunvolt's opinion on this stuff to really hammer home how badly asimov screwed his head up.
>>571779827From his convo with Tenjian where he obliquely acknowledged the similarities between Joule and Zonda, I think he was sympathetic to Zonda up until she ate Joule. From that point on, even if he killed Zonda, went back to the start, and through his actions, inspired Zonda and made her realize she was wrong about nonadepts, he would still grudge her and want her to die. He's never letting that go, no matter what how "altruistic" (towards adepts) and "misled" she was.
>>571781027>you'd think with all the out of game material and junk you'd show gunvolt's opinion on this stuff to really hammer home how badly asimov screwed his head up.In GV1 and the anime, he thinks they deserve it. In GV2, he immensely regrets it, and it fuels his belief that adepts are the only side at fault for the racial conflicts around the world. It's also one of the reasons he tells most of the Eden members that they do not deserve mercy, because they are using similar justifications for collateral damage as he was. Ironically, I still think GV has a higher kill count of innocents than a good number of the G7.
>>571781250>give Joule back right now!>noHe did gave her a chance.
>>571776985>programmesof course the esl is a slurper
Unequivocally best girl.
>>571783006no thanks bro
>>571783006Worth dooming the world over.
>>571781830The context is>no, too many adepts are being killed around the world. The time when adepts... and nonadepts...could join hands has passed... long ago. This is simply the way of things. It is a fact of nature that either adepts or nonadepts will wipe out the other. This is our only survival strategy. And there can be no love... or mercy for those who oppose our survival...And that's how she got GV's eternal hate.GV is a very spicy lad though. Didn't think his hate would survive her breakdown into a scared crying child, but it did, and it lasted decades, even into his next life. That's like Guts tier spite, and even Guts got character development to cool down eventually.
>>571784010To be fair, Guts at the opening of that arc hesitated to strike Rosine because she was so young. That's more than you could say about GV. By the end, he was like fuck it, you want to protect her, Jill, you'll die with her. It was a slightly similar setup, especially when Guts was unmoved after learning about her background of constant child abuse leading her to demonic seduction. He's unmoved by a lot of people's tragic pasts, considering how his story starts at dropping from the body of a hanged woman and only gets worse from there. It's similar to how GV's fucked up past prevents him from empathizing with others outside of Joule and Asimov.Although Rosaline was more childish, and selfishly evil and sadistic than Zonda. At least Zonda's motives could be argued to grow out of her love and empathy for the people around her.
>>571783006Nah, and I don't think that she's bad but the competition is insane.
>>571789094you know i dont need a jiggly moon or a bubble butt, but my god, make it look like they could sit down without groaning in pain.
>>571789515>make it look like they could sit down without groaning in painMaybe if they dropped the attack non-adepts ideas they wouldn't be groaning in pain so much.
>>571789515Gibril great butt only wimpers when she sits because she needs a spanking more often than Kirin needs her dog fix.
What would the reaction be if the second round of bosses are a united Eden/Sumeragi roster? Say Xiao convinced them that GV is a threat to the world by showing them him going dragon. And when GV faces them, instead of knocking them out like he did against the rampaging dragons, he just killed them because they're not salvageable and he hates them? For instance, there'd be a rematch against a stuttering Elise apologizing for having to stop you before you kill everyone in Serpentine's level, and then you just annihilate her, no body left behind. Would this be the type of Gunvolt you'd want?
>>571794409it'd be based and the greatest Tsudatroll ever but we won't have an Elise rematch without significant changes to her cause Cope's gameplay won't allow for it. we could get some of the others tho. show gv can choose not to kill and then have him kill others that the audience likes is what the series is all about.
>>571794396You mean your dog fix.
>>571789094You do you anon.
>nothingman coming back>Blazblue coming backWhat's next, ZX3?
>wily's research getting defunded for being "robotslop"
>>571741597I'm calling it: Xiao will be GV's muse this time. It's all another step in T&T's over decade long plan to troll Natsume.
>>571701001We have Xiao. That's hype. That leaves 5 more character reveals afterward before the release stream. Who do you think it'll be? Who do you want? I'm thinking we'll get one more major character and four boss characters to replace ATEMS.I think if Xiao, probably Zonda due to certain hints littered here and there. Although, she was referenced in dialog today in a memberberry way, and that's usually the death of such a character appearing again. Maybe we'll be lucky and it'll be Joule, so we can hear her theme again. Like Zonda, probably too much to hope for. I'm certain at least two of the character reveals will be girls, as INTI likes to have at least two girls in its boss roster per GV game. This is all assuming we don't just reuse ATEMS up till the last level, which 90% chance they will, though I wonder how they will justify it. And they'll still need to do character intros. Are we just going to get reintroductions to ATEMS then? That would be anti-hype.
>>571801036>We have Xiao.>true to his history it's a nothingburger>it's just GV3 with a miniscule change of playable character>this the next 10 years
>This Shantae art was a crossover idea @MrBozon once had to celebrate the history between Capcom and Shantae, and we finally made it happen!>it really was Shantae wanting the MM money
You know what'd be an equally funny and fucked way to make GX the "finale"Joule becomes the final boss somehow, everyone else gets revived after GV is forced to kill her for good
>>571801036They have avoided showing any ATEMS soldiers or characters in the trailers, and very little of the ATEMS levels overall, so we don't know what's going on there. We will likely have some bosses who will talk to GV and engage in plot like ATEMS and the DS did, unless GV just kills all of them, which would be a step back for the franchise, but it's Tsuda. If you're going to kill them, wait until the finale. Then you don't have to come up with a tortured excuse for the boss rematches, and you can have them playing an active role like they do in GV3. Luxia did show up to power bosses in the demo at BitSummit, but she seemed like she might have been disabled in later builds as she has not been featured or talked about in any of the later streams.
>>571802230After the extended NTR session followed by dying as a ghost I wouldn't put it past Tsuda's level of mean spiritedness to do that actually.
do NOT the moon
>>571802230You gotta piss off the Zondafags and Mytylfags too. Make it an absolute 130 cmpocalypse like GV2 again. Full on little girl tears and dying in despair as GV kills them.
Xiao's VA is so happy to be back.
>>571803065As the Japanese said about Zonda's death, it needs to be a cruel end for all of them.
>>571803065>>571804602>>571802651TSUDA: IT'LL BE A HAPPIER ENDING THAN GV3
>>571805839Knowing Tsuda that means the ending will be depressing enough that half of everyone who buys the game will off themselves after losing all hope for the world
>>571805839When did he say that? I only heard that Lumen's VA implied it's more tragic than ever for GV himself.
>>571806043And INTI employees will burn down their office and lynch T&T.>>571806219He didn't, it was a joke from GV2 where he said that it was going to be a happier ending than GV1 because Zonda dies, GV moves on from Joule, Mytyl gets to be happy in her ignorance, and Copen finds his true purpose (last part about Copen is bullshit, but everything else is stuff he implied).
>>571797316Blazblue will get butchered even harder than Guilty Gear by Woke System Works.
>>571806406>Mytyl gets to be happy in her ignoranceThe more I've thought about that the more bizarre a moral it seems like.Plots where villains get memory wiped so they can be spared are already weird, but Mytyl's case is wrong on so many levels.>Never once asked if this is the outcome she actually wants, it was forced on her by a pair of schemers working behind the scenes, one of whom is incredibly sketchy>Happiness is dependent on ignorance about the people she cares most about suffering>The premise of having a "normal life" in the Gunvolt world seems unrealistic as public safety continues to deteriorate
>>571808830The normal life part is hilarious:>Sumeragi knows she's the muse>Whomever outside that gets their hands on Eden data knows it as well>Neither of the above know what Xiao didHow the hell is she living in peace when nobody competent is taking care of her.
>>571808830It's because Locke did it, but Locke treated the memory wipe as a bad end. I don't know how Tsuda so completely missed the point of Witch of the Millennium when copying it for GV2. GV2 is almost a spiteful refutation of that entire chapter.
>>571810739You are never going to get anyone to give up their hatred in GV or an adept/nonadept marriage. The only cure for hate is death. This has been proven time and time again in Gunvolt. And God, I pray GV never marries any of the female nonadepts, because they've all been horribly boring, but I probably don't need to worry about that as he'll be forever alone as the Locke clone he is. All the other playable characters for that fact too.
>>571808830It's just cope from people who don't understand what it actually means to lose your most important memories/ego death.
>>571811550Sometimes, I wonder about the wisdom of making the characters so young. It's understandable for the target audience they were initially going for (although anyone could have told them kids don't generally go for the style of complex belly feel edginess that GV produces or score platformers in general), but it also implies a degree of changeability and coming of age. Tabula rasa; they have yet to be fully written. But if they aren't allowed to mature and evolve their outlooks, then it feels like a key component is missing.
>>571812289>although anyone could have told them kids don't generally go for the style of complex belly feel edginess that GV producesPeople on here treat all edge as the same, but they aren't. Kids like the edginess of bad guys being ridiculously evil and over-the-top gore and violence. They like cool main characters with antihero vibes, but aren't actually that disagreeable or fail that much. They don't like edgy fail heroes like Eren from AoT, for instance. They don't like the type of edge that makes them confused and depressed. They might be okay with it in small doses, like in HxH, but not being forced fed an entire story of the bittersweet stuff.
Mega Man Legends is a sun gameMega Man Legends 2 is a moon game
Red Sun Blue Moon
>>571812289It's also because the viewpoint is heaviky skewed. Humans do a lot of fucked up shit and racism is why Eden hates them. That part is not shown. Eden are terrorists and one of them manages to freeze a whole city and all.of.its human inhabitants to death. That part is shown. Hell, Copen actually calls Gunvolt out on it in their mid battle dialog. It's a gameplay thing, but humans are never shown committing the atrocities they're always accused of, and the bosses, terrorists, psychopaths and mass murderers are always adept aggressors, sympathetic or not (Gunvolt himself is one of these). They really dont have a way to flesh it out
>>571813298Conversely, they never actually show any victims, unless they're adepts, who we end up killing shortly afterward. They're always off-camera or faceless, barely ever discussed except in a line to justify GV's anger and disgust and the villain's reprehensibleness. We don't see death numbers, or the reaction of survivors. The closest we get are zombies, but again, those are monsters. It abstracts things. It's not helped by nonadept design and personalities outside Copen being boring the few times they do show up.However, we do get to see the adepts, and they have lively personalities and very appealing designs. We know their personal stories and what drives them, and follow their perspectives in the supplementary material. iX, for all its faults, actually tried to fix this with the Minos kids, at the cost of losing the adept perspective.
>>571814317We get enough of the adept perspective in iX. Most don't like Asimov, but are forced to serve. Minos kids are realistic kids (read annoying, forgettable, and always whining for their missing parents), so people don't like them. Funny how some of them are supposed to be the same age as Zonda, but the games ask you to judge one as an adult who should be shot and pissed on and the others as dumb kids whose smiles must be protected. It just goes to show the schizo standards this series has between adepts and nonadepts. And people try to argue that the line about adepts having different cognitive abilities is not loreful.
>>571814752>Funny how some of them are supposed to be the same age as Zonda, but the games ask you to judge one as an adult who should be shot and pissed on and the others as dumb kids whose smiles must be protected.Well yeah, Zonda is the leader of an international mass murdering cult while the absolute worst thing Kohaku does is botch Copen's eye. Humans are never shown as a threat or....anything, really.
>>571808830You forgot one >She could have done something about the incomming dragon Armageddon but she forgot about it
>>571815070It's not really about threat, but moral culpability. We judge all the adepts as moral agents capable of all adult responsibilities. Even saw some people doing it to the 5-year-olds that people were meming GV had killed, that they had chosen Eden and thus deserved it. Zonda and Nova are judged to the same moral standard as Asimov. They were not groomed, they chose their position, and even groomed all the much older adepts to their purposes. We don't treat them as mentally developing, because they are fully mentally developed and in complete control of themselves. They are thus adults. We should not feel sympathy for them. We should enjoy their pain, as GV does.Basically, I think it's weird as fuck that the game does this, especially as it wants us to take its story seriously and be sad when bad stuff happens. It's not even an anime thing, and it's inconsistent, as it asked us to treat other characters, like Joule, Quinn, Kohaku, Maria, etc. as if they are still emotionally and mentally developing. Quinn in particular is on the older end of the GV2 cast.
>>571815070>Humans are never shown as a threat or....anything, really.Copen wiped the planet free of adepts in the timeline where plot armor didn't protect Asimov and Gunvolt from a Greedy Snatcher mag dump.
>>571815949All of that is just GV being an inconsistent fuckwad. Despite his justice talk, his moral standards bend pretty easily. That's how you end up with schizo standards on who is good and bad, or who is an adult and who isn't. He bends it to make himself feel better. So that's why Quinn is a girl while Zonda is a woman, or Merak is a man while Black Badge is a boy. Or why Elise went from girl to enemy woman as soon as she materialized a glaive.
Reading all of this, I think I figured out the idea behind the audio dramas and those backstory blurbs. They are not designed to make the characters more redeemable. They are made to reinforce GV's point that no matter how screwed up your past is, what your excuse is, what your positive traits were, or how uwu cute and innocent you once were, once you walk the path of evil, you will be punished without any mercy. Gibril's background is screwed up and she's cute. Doesn't matter, she deserves to be disemboweled and burn in hell. Viper was "forced" into a gang life because nonadepts kept calling the police on him and then Lumen mindcontrolled him (he initially wasn't into Joule since he wasn't a "lolicon" and found her situation pitiful until Lumen started singing). Again, doesn't matter, he dies. Zonda is the youngest character in the cast and the CDs show her gullibly believing what people around her tell her. Doesn't matter, she gets judged the same as anyone else and deserves to die. What matters are actions, not intent, not your past, not your age or gender, not anything but what you are doing in the present, and by those standards, all of these characters deserve to die and go to hell. They shall all be judges and executed.
I love how GX is months away and people are already crashing out because all the dialog so far implies that GV still hates everyone's guts.
>>571817470Nah I just think it's funny and I fully expect GV to get his memories of Eden back, then turn on Copen as a final boss fight while Lumen and Lola sing in the background as a callback to the GV2 finale. It would be classic inti fuckery
>>571817629>Nah I just think it's funny and I fully expect GV to get his memories of Eden back,Confused, but why would getting his memories back cause him to attack Copen?
>>571817881see >>571734706I could be wrong but it looks like this timeline continues from GV2 and the GV vs Copen fight happened. It would be perfect motivation for a rematch
>>571817881Because he fears him. On his eyes Copen was the biggest monster he fought, a creature of pure hatred, willpower and IQ...if only the games were not so focused on proving him wrong.
>>571818126You're wrong. He remembers the events of Gunvolt 3.
>>571817226No, the idea is that none of those characters were supposed to be expendable.
>>571817470The only reason people were swallowing GV3's ending was the expectation of seeing some of those old characters again. If GV killed them all, and the only thing that's changed is that he now has Joule, people are going to flip. We'll all be asking why send him to the future and the reset everything, just to put almost back to where he was before? Why reset his character development?It'll make a huge moral statement as well, as this is a GV who is both wiser, knows mercy, and was chosen by the God Baby. Any character who GV kills on the second go around, I'll probably stop feeling sympathy for as I know beyond a doubt that they were pure evil. If he killed Elise, then I know she deserved everything, including the lab torture. She would have killed somebody eventually.This series is sending me so many mixed messages I just don't know how to feel. Like Zonda's break-down tugged at my heart, but then every subsequent game treated her as a complete monster. If GV killed Nova in GX, I'll probably completely check out of the story. I can take him killing almost anybody else, but Nova would be such a shitpost after all the development with him in the GV3 DLC.
>>571819138GV's perspective isn't objective. Even after GV3, he's going to have some weirdness, like his fondness for Sumeragi and the Law, or seeing Zonda as more evil than Asimov.
>>571734706>MorphoThis duet is one of the few songs in GV I even remember, it was pretty good.
There's so much speculation and headcanon posing as fact, I'm confused what to believe. Who's (allegedly) suffering amnesia, Gunvolt or Copen? I feel like people are making leaps from a few (maybe incorrectly) translated lines about what GV actually did in the reset timeline, and Xiao's supposed role (if he has any).
>>571819853Those level blurbs are clearly written with irony or sarcasm.
>>571820937Copen has amnesia. This has been established for over a month now and has been corroborated in the English streams. See ENGLISH dialog here: https://youtu.be/_nGXKrZaamM?t=940He can't remember Kohaku, Hexaphyles, Mytyl, or Isola's fight. GV might have memory problems too, but so far, he hasn't shown anything obvious.
Gunvolt and iX are both old men, so it's only fitting they suffer dementia.
So what is Inti making fanfition of for this amnesia GV plot?
>>571818148GV never wanted to fight Copen though. And Copen just obviously don't care anymore if he did get his memories back
>>571803282New voiced lines confirmed? Bros?
>>571809658>when nobody competent is taking care of her.Nori?
>>571816363This may come as surprise but GV generally doesn't like actively shooting at him and trying to hurt his women. This is a pretty normal thing to believe actually, there's no particularly special motivation or philosophy behind any of Juan Volt's actions other than self preservation and pussy for the most part.
>>571818126>>571818148So a misunderstanding? Because iX Copen didn't even get to experience GV2's events in his timeline, making him develop into a different character but he can't really express that if he has amnesia. That would be fucked up.
>>571826785>Nori>competent
>>571820937Gunvolt knows/remembers Copen, Copen has some partial memory loss thing that affects a bunch of stuff.We already knew Gunvolt thought Copen was cool from 3 though, that's that whole reason in-universe for him using modified versions of his techniques. He still thinks Copen is cool, even. How iX Copen feels about Gunvolt is the thing we don't know since he never bothers bringing Gunvolt up in any of those games.
>>571827412I honestly don't see a reason as to why they should fight each other, other than a severe case of plot induced stupidity. As you said, iX never experienced the events of GV2 and so he's got no horse in this race. He doesn't know any of these people and has no reason to care. It's like iX2 all over again.
>>571827453She could have killed Asimov back on Firnament and only let Eden take Mytyl on orders from Xiao, she easily clears the bar for competence
>>571829119If she fights as well as Copen I sincerely doubt she could take on Asimov, reinforced by the fact we have a scenario where she got her ass handed to her by him.>only let Eden take Mytyl on orders from XiaoOh yeah, the day she lost both her charges. The height of competency, sasuga Kurona.
>digital pre-orders still not up for the iX collection What gives?
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>>571830218That's probably the exact reason why she time traveled to the past: to hope her charges lead better lives. Xiao gave her a catch: she has to actually terrorize Shinobu's school for it to happen.
>>571836846Speaking of Xiao using his time powers to help Kurona, the ending of Clockwork Daydream has similarities to when GV wakes up after the bad ending in GV1, fueling the "Xiao Firnament" theoryThat theory about how he is responsible for the split in timelines leading to GV2 and iX respectively is probably the only thing you could have Xiao reveal to iX!Copen should he appear in GX
>>571829119No, that just means that she's a potentialwoman.
>>571837237Kurona already has time powers, likely stronger than Xiao's.
Who has the smelliest farts?
>>571842835We don't know for sure until GVXrd.
>>571849337It's not a theory. In Gal Guardians she opened a wormhole to a potential future where she's massively more powerful, which is an octima level feat. This was base, baka demon Kurona during her school days.
>>571848989>conquered the world for spices>settled for beans and cheese on potatoesProbably the English rose.
