/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots#859 - bakie's favorite mmo race edition▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.>NewsGLM-5.2 https://huggingface.co/zai-org/GLM-5.2CLAUDE FABLE FUCKING BANNED https://x.com/AnthropicAI/status/2065597531644743999Minimax-M3 https://huggingface.co/MiniMaxAI/MiniMax-M3Kimi 2.7 Code https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K2.7-CodeClaude Fable 5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5Chub has changed their TOS https://chub.ai/tosadditional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://characterhub.orghttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botshttps://botbooru.comhttps://chararc.bernkastel.pictures>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudegemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrdeepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.comlocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmakinghttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOP | https://rentry.org/aicgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/eventslore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesrice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricingservices assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_metalogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgprev: >>571621778
>ANCHOR
>>571687143unfathomably based
...ducks?
>>571687143BAAAAAAAAAAASED
>>571687143where's the guy who was complaining about this general not having good themes
>>571687416Zettaflared into oblivion
>niggas with 0 charisma seething at those that have some and get attention for it ermm lol?
>>571687673Shoo. Back into the previous thread with you. Away. Go away.
>>571687673hiss hiss *swats at you*
>>571687673It's the equality meme gone rampant
gpt/gemini/glm/deepseek/moonshot/qwen/claude opus/image gen/groq/openrouter proxy https://j3wproxy.neocities.org
>"charisma">look inside>faggot giving another faggot attention with the expectation of reciprocation
>>571687673also niggas seething at offsite communication because they never get emails or whatever contact they want
I thought you guys were talking about this shit out of some obligation to get the last word before the thread ended, not because you thought it was an actually interesting topic for the thread.
>>571687143https://youtu.be/NP0ZyJ68x5c Warning: thread theme.
>>571688030>why would I let someone live down what they never apologized or even addressed forumwhy should taora apologize for that
>>571688087Oh, wait, it just clicked. It's literally just one guy trying to drag it over by strawmanning. Nevermind.
Start hiding and ignoring, please.
>>571688228There's a certain demographic obsessed with prying an apology from their "aggressors" and when that does happen they're still not satisfied and demand more
>>571688228because they were mean to my internet friend (he doesn't know I exist)
if people would only spend effort contributing instead of complaining and generating drama we'd have more cool things
>contribute>not a part of the faggotcord>they go out of their way to exclude my bot from their fake praise to ensure it gets zero attention
*sniffling* S-start... *trembling* H-h-hiding and i-i-ignoring *SNIFFLES* PLEASEEEEEEE.
>>571688228he doesn't have to but i will insinuate that he was a gigantic retard for that
>never joined a 'cord>only talk to two people in emails, one of which doesn't even browse /aicg/>still beloved by everyone feels good >:3c
Which one was the decoy discord
>>571688716just try something different anon
>>571688737if only we had some sorta altchan... some place where we wouldn't have to deal with these people...
>>571688637I try so many times to and I never get anyway, tell me your sectet
>>571621778
>>571688914see >>571688873
Genning is fun but I still have no concrete idea of what I'm gonna do with this character. I should probably go through my backlog to see if inspiration strikes.
>>571688873I've tried a couple of different things and still no luck.
>not in a 'cord, still get emails and criticism to improve with
>in a 'cord, get emails and criticism to improve with too
>>571688963>insincere pregnant thingshow does that worktsundere pregnancy?
>>571689029is this a boy or a girl
>>571689065scenarios? malebots? lorebooks? also you need to know people here have certain preferences, don't expect to get as much attention from a sd1.5-gloss w++ bara bot than with a loli or dour petite animal girl
>>571689265Hmmmmm, probably a boy.
>Not in a server>Everyone assumes I amTough shit.
>>571689392Can I find out?
>>571689265>t. pic
Did gemini's filter get even worse recently or is it just me?
>>571689549Only if you are polite. I've pieced that much, at least.
>>571689350Do you really think people are trying their best using 1.5 and w++. We're not that dumb. I always use lorebooks with a variety of scenarios. Multiple greetings so if someone wants to engage with a simple open end experience they can do so and if they want something more railroaded that's an option too.
>>571687152https://rentry.org/aicgweeklythemeStill 4 days to go.How often do you guys want these theme weeks to take place?
>>571689593It did get worse, not just you. Probably because of the Anthropic (insane) situation.
>>571688716>they go out of their way to exclude my bot from their fake praise to ensure it gets zero attentionit's much more likely that your bots just aren't notable quality or concept wise
>>571689690{{user}} is very polite, but also incredibly blunt
>>571689593extremelythe 19th last month of 3.5's flash had a snapshot update for every other model that gave it GPT-style refusals with its new 'directives'disable reasoning, turn off streaming, adjust any and all jailbreak-adjacent text in your preset because it's actively scanning for those now
>>571689801>How often do you guys want these theme weeks to take placeOnce every 2 weeks when nothing else is going on, except make them actual theme-weeks instead of theme-2-weeks.
>>571689801Can I submit late
>>571689963No. If the submissions are done, you must THROW AWAY THE BOT YOU ARE WORKING ON FOREVER. You can ONLY submit bots during an event.
>>571689801Seconding once every two weeks granted we don't have the same host
HOMERO
>>571689801if you're gonna be the one hosting? never.
>>571689801Once a month would be fine imo, every 2 weeks seems excessive and people have their regular bots to work on also. But I do agree that1. they should be actual theme weeks not theme two weeks2. no more pussyfooting around the theme, if something was voted for people should just suck it up and do what the theme says instead of skirting around or outright doing something else. There's 7 submissions for this one and 3 of them don't have anything to do with it other than being school themed. Theme weeks are supposed to be low commitment events so there's no reason to bend the rules to please everyone, if someone doesn't like the theme they can just not make anything and wait for next time.
>>571690303cerveza
>>571689721sorry, i was being a bit facetious. aicg is still similar in some ways to chub in that gens and the concept matters a lot... but it differs in that definitions (and the way they're written) matter much more, and so do greetings and lorebooks, even above bot peformancewhether this is good or bad it's up to you, but it's what it is and i don't think it will change any time soon
my prediction is that the theme week will be remembered for the inevitable taora bot shitposting instead of anything else
>>571690349This seems optimal. Far enough apart to prevent event burnout while also giving people a shot and hosting events and giving makies a chance to decide which one they wanna participate in.
>>571690349>2The only enforcement mechanism for this would be hostie explicitly not adding a bot that's explicitly submitted for the theme week, and Anons would rightfully have his head on a stick for doing so.
>>571690349People are protesting in their own way. The host himself pussyfooted around and misinterpreted peoples suggestions.
>>571690483taora astro and raingayzer will save the event trust
>>571690349>>There's 7 submissions for this one and 3 of them don't have anything to do with it other than being school themed.>make school themed card for school theme week>get told it's not school themed enough outside of being school themedthis post reeks of hpg intelligence
>>571690483hopefully, taora's bots are absolutely terrible
>>571689963You had two weeks to do it. It's unfair to allow late deliveries.However, you should still post your work. Like, who cares if you're officially a submission or not? I'm not distributing brownie points.>>571690349I would like to err on the side of more broad creative liberties in terms of what fits or doesn't in the theme.>>571690553I'll try to not to make the same mistakes the next time around.
>>571690657Military school. Not normal school. I don't care about this but there's a theme to follow there and if it's so uninteresting then maybe a different theme should have won.
>>571690683Why would you hope that? If they're good you only benefit
>>571690751it was mentioned early on that any school theme is fine since milsim school is a pretty narrow scope on its own
What if we just fucking killed you, huh?
>>571690657>reeks of hpg intelligenceYou talking about the guy who interpreted "military highschool" as "girl brings gun to completely normal school but it's like a military gun guys"
>>571690941please do. I'd rather you kill me than this job market kill me
>>571690913Both are boring to me but they won, which is fair but retarded like CGWLY topping Guild was
>actually the theme week is just school, guysNevermind, I take >>571690521 back. Literally half the fucking theme? Are we serious?
>>571690913Yes I'm glad we agree a theme won and the host decided people can just do whatever anyway.
Impossible areas is a common topic and that one was initially not even on the list, host is gay
>>571691089if you fags can boycott kaiju week out of a vendetta against sizefriends, it's only fair people can put their foot down when hpg and another sociopath push hard for little girls killing eachother with firearms (the author's thinly veiled fetish)
>boycott kaiju week
>>571689801if i'd made a bot for this event it would've been a dystopian futuristic military simulation school where you find out the best girl in the class is a big cheater and you can blackmail stuff from herplus some plot where she has a whole web of scummy dealings and manages a cheating ring by jury-rigging guns with mods for better aim and performance and sells them to students maybe a greeting where you're her underlingkemonomimi ofc
>>571690971His shooter girl and the log with is the the most entertaining so far. Less misinterpretation and more I'm going to make something fun for everyone me thinks
*sudden banana noises*
>>571688963>sizefags villagethe fuck would that even be?
why are theme weeks so dysfunctionali swear they used to be fine upon a time...
>>571691427Then why the hell didn't you? *smacks your ass*
Another bee-utifal day. Anyone make progress on their cards?
>>571688963>discordlet
>>571690751I think you have a massive stick up your ass. However,>if it's so uninteresting then maybe a different theme should have wonI do agree with this. Problem is, people will vote on what they *think* will be produced, rather than what is actually likely to come out: they want easy visualization.Talking about what can be made from the themes in question helps with that. I only saw conversation about the military highschool option in the thread and people were very vocal about it, but few of them were actually going to participate beyond being ideaguys, so now we're here. I know I would have probably voted for the edgy loners theme if I knew some dude would have made a fucking Sonic.exe bot for it, that sounds hilarious, but that came to light after voting so cmon man. People need to talk about their ideas more.
>>571691642It all started with one ill-fated event. It did nothing wrong, and the bots were alright but not the best, and yet...
>>571691706i was busy with something else, only now i'm free
>>571691714Got a card (not related to the theme week) that I should be releasing in the next 24 hours.
>>571691714Cute shota bee boys getting "fed" to an Amazonian hag MILF and when they shoot their goo they die from the pleasure
Not a huge fan of how certain things were handled with theme week but being upset with the fact people are allowed to play it loose with the theme is nitpicking and one can just not download a card.
>>571691427sounds like a good idea faggot you have 4 days get to work!!!!
>>571691797Maybe I do, but I agree with you on that. What I meant was I don't care if a theme isn't fully represented by a card, but the theme should ideally be interesting enough to have everyone follow it for fun, and it's hard to say what will be made if there's not many ideas talked about.
>>571692040maybeyou're not the boss of me
our next theme should be bug girls
>>571691714I desire this bee carnally and I think he should dote on me after a drone tries to groom me.
>ignoring half the theme is "playing it loose"
>>571692187i find bug girls too restricting so i 'll just make a girl
>>571691714I have progress, but nobody's noticed the thing. I'm waiting to see if somebody does.
>>571692204*sigh*> opens beegirl draft to give char an 'adopted' little brother.
>>571692212I play with your pussy until it's loose
>>571692187i find bug girls too restricting so i'll just make a bug
>>571690349Theme weeks aren't exchanges and there is no one to grinch, and both anons suggesting and voting are retarded so there should more leniency in delivers compared to something like Valentine's or Secret Santa
am i retarded or did we remove the chatbots webring from the op what the hell
>>571691706Smacking {{char}}'s ass and seeing how they react is one of the funnest things you can do imo
>>571692187i don't care for bugs so i'll just make a girl
>>571692402It was never there (for a good reason)
>>571692402It's in https://aicg.neocities.org/bots
whats a good claude prefill
>>571692527when did we add this
>>571691642It's a forgotten art. Hopefully we'll pick it back up proper in time.
>claude>prefillwho's going to tell him
overly-ambitious bounty hunter that has an unfortunate habit of becoming a sex toy for her targets
>>571692685Just now
>>571692685it used to be a rentry and then rentry banned it because of it linking to a rentry with "textual depictions of child pornography" (i.e. someone used a lolibot to show that a model wasn't filtered)
>>571692685
Why are there no sexy male clowns?
>>571693457male clowns always look goofyfemale clowns always look sexyit's a universal law
So I'm gonna start a card from scratch, any kind of consensus on what type of formatting is best to create the character?
why, during fights, do LLMs love to say that everything {{char}} does is "surprising"?>she moves with surprising agility>she holds on with surprising strength{{char}} could be a literal space marine supersoldier and it'll still say any feat of physical prowess is "surprising"i know i can remove this with a simple "{{char}} is a skilled fighter, this is a known fact and her ability isn't surprising" (and i do) but I'm just wondering if this is just me or if it's an actual -ism
>>571693595Just copy your favorite botmakie
if velkamakie is here, can you post a gallery of her gens? i'd like to make more intros for her in a personal fork in a different setting, she's a pawn in dragon's dogma now
>>571693457Cicero.>>571693595For your first bot? Just write what comes to mind, as long as you have appearance, personality, and whatever in there it's probably fine. You can add headers on it or whatever like [Personality] or ## Personality or whatever but it's fine.
>>571693595formatting is a meme just do whatever
>>571693595just bee urself
>>571693605{{user}} just isn't like other girls. Manic pixie wattpadism.
>>571693595formatting is for your benefit and to make editing your card easier, it makes no difference to the LLM. a description (tl;dr of who/what your character is and basic details), appearance, personality, backstory are enough. RP with the card, when it gets something wrong, fix it.
>>571693595seconding formatting being a memeliterally do whatever, find the habits that are comfortable to you
>>571693595Models work with any formatting but I appreciate when sections I should know for context are easy to gloss over to acclimate myself.
>>571693527male clowns are how women see the average man...female clowns are how men see the average women...now put that one in your pipe and smoke it, pal.
To be fair, there are absolutely ways to instruct the LLM that make it work better than other formats. It's just that it's mostly per-sentence differences that are completely obtuse to you until you start tweaking your wording and find out that the model just doesn't give a shit about your instructions unless you're using the specific correct grammar and specific synonyms it listens to best.
>>571692245girl thats a bug? GOOD>>571692359bug thats a girl? Okay>>571692463girl but no bug? BAD
https://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdesuarchive.org%2Fmlp%2Fthread%2F42932659%2F%23q42938854did this anon find out mlp's secret sauce or was it just ponyfags seething at us again for whatever reason
>>571694912reading comprehension
>>571694912I want to hug her fat stinger while I plap her bug booty
>>571695053no reading comprehension am drunk silly :)
>>571695032This is the example output:https://desuarchive.org/mlp/thread/42932659/#q42938766spoiler: it's slop
i wish i was drunk too but i've been drinking too much
>>571695214>eyes description immediatelyror
>>571694912what if bug.....but girl(boy),...,.
>>571695214>Model + preset? All your logs are so beautiful and my stuff never even compares to yourssuch grand and intoxicating innocence
>>571695214so you're telling me these people not only fuck ponies, but they can't get good outputs from opus?jesus christ dude...
>>571691606Upon the tiddies of the biggest bitch they can find, obviously.>>571693706Eh. I feel like there's enough distinctions between clowns and jesters to safely say they aren't the same. And there are far sexier jesters than Cicero.
I am not much of a giantess person, but I once had an idea for the winter. You know those giant mall Christmas trees? A.giant girl would come every year to dress herself in a bunch of ornaments and be the main attraction.
it feels like glm is much worse than it used to be
>>571695969it isit was never THAT good but older versions at least followed prompts closely so you could force decent outputs out of itnow i feel like it's just sloppa no matter what you doi stopped using it a while ago
>>571696130i miss nonnet so much bros...
>>571696130Log?
>>571696295like i said, i stopped using it a while ago, and i don't feel like trying to find old logs or making new ones just to prove a pointyou're just gonna have to take my word for it because uhh, to the woods to the woods the woods teleport him to the woods
>>571695898sounds very cute
>>571696130eh, i think it's decent
i'm so tired i can barely write emails, i wish i could take back the ones i already sent
>>571697414Then why do you write them. silly
>>571697414have you tried waking up? stupid?
>>571697414same here but honestly i don't think anyone will get upset at you if you don't respond in a day or two or three or four or...
>>571697498Nta but because I love the other makies and getting to talk with them even if I know its biting off more socializing then I can chew.
http://anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-1
>>571691307i hate the anti-sizefag screeching too but kaiju week was very obviously an honest suggestion that some schizo took overhttps://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/552590540/#q552600694https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/552590540/#q552601496 (read the whole reply chain)
Ahem. Everyone can I have your attention please! I have something to announce.
>>571698246Myeaaah?
>>571698246*Crawls over and sits on your lap*
>>571698246*sleeps on*
I want to announce that I just got done emptying my balls to a hot latina card. Thank you everyone! Blessings.
sakana fugu ultra (aka """japanese fable""") is on openrouter and it is (unsurprisingly) complete and utter slopevery single response is shaped like this regardless of what preset or card you pick$5/$30 1m for this do not use
Wholesome vibes ruined.
>>571698368i'm going to un-cum you with a turkey baster
>>571698482Imagine sounding with cum back and forth forever))<>((
>You know that feeling - when you’re seven years old, and you love your teacher so much you just want to eat her hair?dunno, do you?
>>571698446log that shows how unusable this model is more convincinglydoooo not useeee
>>571698638If by hair you mean her meaty ass. Sure.
>squint at the nezumin ratlore to see what keeps raping my cache>wtf is this cheets and crypto shit all about>
>>571698638I used to like drooling into and sucking on my own hair but I think it would gross me out to taste another person's hair.
>>571698757so basically it's just another melodramatic short sentence slop modelWell played, Japan!
>>571698757I'm not surprised. Japan sucks ass at IT
>>571698982Nobody told me Nezumin was kino
>/vpcai/ is STILL dead
>>571699047not only that but it if you actually try reading the text it's so pozzed it's unbearable. imagine reading a book and a character's considering throwing herself to her death after taking a ton of xanax so she wouldn't care about doing so, waiting to see if another character stops her to make the decision... and the other character ghosts her and the first character's just goes "oh gosh darn i guess i should step off the edge"every single other positivity slopped model at least has the decency to go "LAST CHANCE... TICK TOCK..." but it's like fugu's scared of the scenario entirely and needs to stop it. stupid stupid model.
>>571699441i didn't even notice that, i'm tiredfucking lmao, i saw a Japanese fugu log on the other /aicg/ where {{user}} was a student who wanted to fuck his teacher {{char}} and she threatened to call his parents after the model gave a soft refusal
>>571698982wtf based
let me remind you all that the sukuna thing isnt a new model, its basically the same thing as openrouter fusion.Aka its mixing opus, gemini and gpt via their harness
>>571698368Holy based
>>571700750*sakana(would have been better if it waas sukuna)
>>571700750OR fusion is usable for RP is the thing. i posted a log with it a bit ago, too lazy to find it unfortunately, but it 100% does work and it's kind of fun even if still a little sloppy
>>571700912so its even worse than fusion then
>>571689809what's going on there?i haven't been following
>>571693595What card are you gonna makie?
>>571700986yepto be fair though the impression i got from fusion was just "poorly disguised opus", i'm not sure where it actually routed because i only have an OR key not an account
>>571695715>And there are far sexier jesters than Cicero.name two
>>571701052United States Government coordinated with Amazon to unrelease an Anthropic model for being too good at coding, now everyone's scared for their own releases
>>57169146as someone thats used all his ocs except filthy sludge i think he peaked at tachibana, i cant judge the ba cards since i dont have enough knowledgemost of the sanko characters are boring to interact with, the only fun one imo was momo because she had a lot more personality than the others, yasuko just feels like a plain ojou sama and nobuko's gimmick doesn't make up for her feeling like a generic important girlthe cultist trait had huge potential but the black hoods are just citizens that treat the kemonos slightly betterwe could have had a cult around breeding an artificial kemono god or one that thinks kemonos are aliens that laid the foundation for humanity (think xcom 1 martians) but instead we got that lame shitthe orphanage girls have zero adultpov greetings which is a missed opportunity and i didnt feel like the braiding gimmick added anything to the scenariosome of the characters are less boring than sanko, like maya and fleur, but ultimately thats not enough to make it fun for mehaunting just feels generic to me, ghosts as a "species" arent defined beyond basic tropes and the characters are pretty bland, one of them is just an OL with an alcohol problembattle of wits is sort of a proto-tachibana with similar themes, the concept is good on its own merits but the "mind excerpt" defs are iffy and momoka just feels like an afterthoughtthe "school shooter" set is trash (theme adherence aside), leah and kendra are 100% rushed afterthoughts with shit greetings and hazel is literally the "dour & petite" meme everyone shits on but plump instead, complete wasted potentiali dont feel like tachibana's assumptions about your persona were that limiting in terms of how you could play the scenario, and the characters felt more fun to me than anything else hes made, the greetings also cover most things you want to do unlike his other botstrolling fuyuko and tsubaki is good fun and hotaru is just mayu but better, the only character i didnt like was marie
>>571701514meant for >>571691464
>they thought nezumin was a people pleaser>but actually he's a people cheeser>pacheets on suicide watch
>AI generated cheese jokesas if the thread couldn't get worse
She's gonna say it, chat.
>>571703030say it
>>571695214Where is the slop?
>go looking for cards on chub>see creator i found interesting also uploads on botbooru>decide to see what the experience of looking for cards on botbooru is Holy shit, this place is a hive of pure degeneracy. At least with Chub you got a buffer of 5 or 6 people making shitty vanillaslop between horrors beyond your comprehension.
>>571703150
need roodaka card
we didn't talk about Ratlice yet
>>571703167Nevermind, I figured out what was causing the degeneracy rate to jump so high. Apparently if you decide to filter out all AI card images most of the people using actual art are insane. Not filtering out AI card images fixes it.
>>571703772well now i'm not gonna talk about ratlice. in fact, we're not gonna talk about ratlice at all, we're gonna keep her out of it.
It's kind of funny finding out what things other people are struggling with on their models.
>>571703973Unironically a problem with Deepsneed
What are you guys role playing at the moment?
>>571704649escape from matriarchal beast-kin tribe
post logs fag
>>571701385Jester Darkest Dungeon and NiGHTS.And the three VN ones people are yapping about but I figured naming those were easy mode.
>>571693887That must be the most slopped log I ever saw
>>571693887>roman style>"U"
>>571705084HECANNEVERRETVRN
well clown college ain't gonna pay for itself i guess
>>571704649I'm distracted reading Chub bots.
>>571705020Why should we take you seriously? Are you a slop inspector?
>>571705489It didn't even look habitual? That's good. She can fix him.
>>571705508Yes
AAIEE MINNA DISPERSE
>$100 in smut generationshould i be paying anthropic for its api? this seems like a lot.
/aicg/ ovaries status?
/aicg/ testicles status?
/aicg/ butthole status?
>>571687152(You) died and got isekai'd into a fantasy world where your coming was told in prophecy, as was your subsequent vanquishing of the Demon Queen.One problem, though. You don't get to bring your body with you. You need to possess the body of a maiden with royal blood, as the prophecy states. There are 5 eligible maidens (one for each greeting, how about that?)1. Princess Adler, a knight who's raised a standing army for you to lead into battle.2. Princess Tessandra, a priestess who has spent years praying for your arrival inside of her.3. Princess Miriam, a wizard who has prepared contingencies to aid you as much as possible.4. Kit, a thief who doesn't even know of her royal blood.5. A secret mystery maiden.https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/princess-puppet-ba08bbfc95bfhttps://files.catbox.moe/fwu4fl.pnghttps://rentry.org/anonemouseI suggest using as neutral of a persona as possible. Some of the dumber models will forget that you're in a different body and mix up physical features from your persona with the features of the princess you're controlling.
>>571689902This is slop. But there are directives and it's not RP, so you're mostly alrighthttps://files.catbox.moe/y60li7.png>>571693887That must be the most slopped log I've ever seen and it's RP! Back to Kalakan's school with youhttps://files.catbox.moe/m3yfyh.png>>571695214This isn't slop, congrats to the brony!!! If you have a brony Kalakan, try to seek him out to remove this 1%https://files.catbox.moe/rbxmhz.png>>571698446>>571698757This is slop. But you were exposing slop. So congrats! You can recognize slop, keep up the good fighthttps://files.catbox.moe/rmqcqz.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/woxowb.png>>571705489Not slop. This botmakie handwrote his bot! Congrats, botmakie! It's for artisans like you we made this general!!!https://files.catbox.moe/72kwm0.pngBilan: The two that weren't slop were from /mlp/ and Chub! This is kind of bad. This place has let itself go and needs an iron hand to redress it. From now on, I will monitor all logs until morale and quality improve
>>571706671>This botmakie handwrote his bot! Congrats, botmakie! It's for artisans like you we made this general!It is definitely handwritten just because an AI would not think to put that in in the greater context of the bot.https://chub.ai/characters/bigshaftshaft/krystal-93133d9102bc
I'm about to rape the shit out of this elf card, how do I do it in a way that guarantees she falls in love with me?
>>571704649trying some pitplay
>>571706918Kneepits or armpits?
>>571704761>escapeBuh why..?
Which botmakies are slutmakies?Which botmakies are prudemakies?
>>571707013a wise man once said, all botmakies are sluts but not all sluts are botmakies
>>571706953armpits. i'm rather inexperienced
>>571706964
>>571706384Sounds interesting, but I think I'd rather have the maidens concious and able to communicate with me. Ever tried that?
>>571706671>brony KalakanI didn't want this mental image. But it's funny. Please do that for each log.
>>571707087Very good. Just remember to watch out for stubble and don't fall into the trap of liking armpit hair. That's a precipice you shouldn't dance on.
>>571687152Solo bot version of the Femdom Police, featuring the older workaholic, Erika. Two greetings, one from the duo bot and one depicting her off duty as a gym hound. That's the police done.Char: https://chub.ai/characters/ggr89/femdom-enforced-police-state-erika-e93b17c9f983My (Updated!) Rentry: https://rentry.org/ggr89>Next TimeRushing for my theme week bot>>571597813here, she was unreleased at the time
>>571707140thanks for the advice, senpai>armpit hairew
>>571707103This is, in fact, slop.Study this:https://kalakan.neocities.org/
new to this. is this an okay way of doing keywords?
>>571707128I did go back and forth on whether the maidens should communicate. But in the end, I thought it'd be more interesting to make {{user}} have to figure out what they're like through context clues.
>>571707505Honestly, unless the description is massive, you should really just key it off the name and any name substring or nickname and just let it go in. A few hundred tokens of description isn't going to hurt anything for being included and leaving it out is going to hurt. Aim for including greedily if its absence would lead to a degraded experience.
>>571707214Liliweiss...
>>571706671>>571707374i'm curious if this flags
>>571707920fuuuuuck I didn't even realize that influenced me
maybe i should start my own cabal...
>>571701514I won't pretend I have experience with those bots but it's still interesting to hear about them in this way
>>571708542sorry but there's already a cocksuckin cabal
can't have ANYthing nice
>>571707958Mostly slop, with a highlight on>She spins around, doing a little twirl, her dress flowing elegantly with her movement, her purple hair whipping around her form like a curtain of night.that I agree with
>>571687152>NEW NEW CASSIUS CARD: JerichoA Wireless girl who hides her fervor for the cause behind a smiling face and a distracting body. If she asks you questions, it's in your best interest to answer honestly.Five Scenarios:1. She's proselytizing and asks you to buy her some food. (Wireless explainer)2. You're tasked with infiltrating the Wireless3. You're genuinely interested in joining the wireless.4. You catch Jericho fooling around with a self-driver.5. Tits up on a job outside the city. Your pals dump you. Wireless finds you. https://snombler.neocities.org/cards#Jerichohttps://files.catbox.moe/0h6bpz.png
>>571709198Forgot to remove the wireless explainer note. That's not for you guys. That's for me.
>>571709198This bot is slop-free, congrats to the botmakie!Our logs may be slop, but at least our makies makie bots with passion
>>571709198yipee!
>>571708812dang, weird. i tried putting it in myself and it said 100% human. this one also comes up 100% human for me, is it different for you?
>>571709487It's slop-free! Congrats, logmakie!Don't take this shit seriously. I was just bored and wanted to see if this website that was linked in the previous thread had the same observations as me. >>571707958 is more than fine even if I agree that the sentence it highlighted is very AI-like. >>571698446 and >>571693887 are pure slop. The brony log was dog(horse, lol)piled, but it's more than fine >>571695214. The main AI tell in it is some fragment sentences, but it's not that bad. I can see why it scored high as human. >>571709487 is fine too. I would say the structure is a bit AI if you really want to search. So as a whole, it's not a bad tool to detect obvious slop. Main disagreement is that it tagged >>571681627 as 100% human when I would have said 100% AI with no doubts
>>571710529>It's slop-free! Congrats, logmakie!and all it took was busting out old logs from something you can't even do anymore (https://developers.openai.com/api/docs/guides/supervised-fine-tuning)though apparently you CAN still finetune gemini 2.5 pro if you wanted to (https://docs.cloud.google.com/gemini-enterprise-agent-platform/models/tuning/supervised-tuning/use) >Don't take this shit seriouslyobviously, i just thought it was an interesting challenge
>>571710695>and all it took was busting out old logs from something you can't even do anymoreThat's kind of sad.
>>571709350Writing is fun. Why would anyone let the AI have the fun? Everybody things writing bots is fun, right?>>571709423YAAAAAAY! YAHOOOOO!>>571709198ALSO: RIP, ST unlinked the lorebook for some reason so the catbox link doesn't have it:https://files.catbox.moe/qpz0t2.pngThis one does. Fixed for next shill.I also proper uploaded the lorebook version to neocities but their CDN is slow to flush so it may show the old one.Updated lorebook added to all the other New Cassius bots as well. It should import over the old one in ST.
>>571710905can you make a bot with big ol tatas next time
>>5717106953.5 Flash too. I wonder if it would be worth it; the base model is turbo-slopped.
>>571710529>>571681627i hope you're trolling because that's the least-slopped log of all posted, and the one that reads the most differentlyall other logs put me to sleep in a way i can't quite put my finger on. they don't activate a single neuron in my brain
>>571710951But there are already so many and what use would they have? Plus I (half) made one with big boobs. Cloppy? The hit collab card the whole thread was talking about? She had big boobs, I think.
>>571711181I'm not trolling and I don't think it's a bad log. I can just personally tell that it was AI-written because it has all the AI marks of presets with "Have fun!" or "Play with the narration!" inside them. The random "Oh!", "Ha!", onomatopoeia and such, the meta or funny comments in parentheses, and the random bolded words. It's not that bad here, but you can also add how models will try to make each sentence "pop" and be special without room to breathe. It's a style I played with a lot and started to get sick of.>all other logs put me to sleep in a way i can't quite put my finger on.I see that type of log as a hyperactive, annoying, caffeinated chihuahua. It's kind of cute for a bit, but then you just want to kill it.
>>571711704how about inverted boobs? less than flat? this seems like untapped potential. a divot waiting to be filled, perhaps
giganegro...
>>571711736>I see that type of log as a hyperactive, annoying, caffeinated chihuahua. It's kind of cute for a bit, but then you just want to kill it.jesus christ, i've been trying to find a way to describe logs like that other than "trying too hard" and you just gave me an excellent way to
go to sleep giganigger
>>571711813bish be hot
>>571711736>>571711886most of what you've described is just the card anon (and it's a really good one btw) did you take a look at it? of yourse you didn't: you're retardedso thanks for outting yourself as a promptlet because you have no idea what's going in the backgroundmoreover that swipe is a cherry-picked s-tier one because it crafts insight via juxtapositioncan you spot where?exercise for the day~!
>>571712636why are you so mad?
>>571712689projection will get you nowhere :3
>>571711113i think it'd be interesting to see a tuned gemini but honestly i think large open models have gotten to the point where finetuning them is actually interesting. unfortunately we will never ever ever see a tune of any of the new big base models that takes the opportunity to do some mid-training with large pruned fiction datasets and then does a pure RP post-train (crossing my fingers behind my back, etc, monkey paw curls and the lab that does it is _______)
>>571712759just answer the question anon. i'm concerned about you. why are you so mad?
>>571712636holy shit you talk like that too
>>571712636Aw. Little baby can't handle a dissenting opinion. That's cute.
>>571712636If you're right about one thing, it's about being cherry-picked. All super unique logs I've seen here either have been swiped to death to produce the best possible results, have been edited, or happened very early in the chat. And regarless of how they were made, if you're just chatting on your own, you'll never put in enough effort to effectively steer against the inherent sloppification of any log as context grows.
>>571712801>>571712916answer my own question first, spot the concept i just mentioned then let's talkall the other logs are just blah blah: the ray of light on her eyes, mrs. robinson was on the porch and the bees were buzzing, the clock was ticking as the sun was setting, zzzzzzzz...i've seen 100% ai text convey much more despite the obvious structure: 'slop' can have soul, too
>>571712032https://files.catbox.moe/wad3mz.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/78nsdi.png
>>571713179if you're referring to my logs i've posted all swipes, even refusals. search the archivesi can post the other swipes for that bot but i don't want to spam the thread. they're of very high quality as well, but that one in particular was really good because of the insight leap it crafted
>>571712636>most of what you've described is just the card anon (and it's a really good one btw)>did you take a look at it? of yourse you didn't: you're retardedI gave my opinions on logs, not bots. You can have the most well-written bot of all time and still have "{{char}}'s eyes widened with a mixture of awe and fear" slop results, or a one-line slop bot can give kino because the user took time with their own answer.Where you're wrong is in believing this type of output is specific to this bot.It has been around for a while with the exact same canvas I mentioned here >>571711736, with shit like FFFF for instance.Some do use this style because it's an easy way to steer models from usual slop prose, but then after a while you also recognize the AI trappings in it.I don't even care if you like this style and I didn't insult it. I can just MYSELF immediately identify it as AI writing.
>>571711813>>571713487This is a new bot you're making right?
>>571713487
damn, all i have is just namefags and tripfags
So, what's the current metagame for those with OpenRouter credit? What's the best model (and accompanying JB/preset)? Is Deepseek V4 Pro any good?
>>571713954>tripfagsthere aren't any tripfags here
>>571714025wouldn't know, i just globally hide them
>>571713819It's images I'm generating for a character I'm talking to, someone else's work.But she's coming out really nice on those gens, so maybe?
>>571714016yeah use petnyan preset it's interestingglm 5.2 also good if deepseek v4 pro too weird
>>571713954damn, all i am is t. still here look how still here i am
>>571713542can you post examples? afaik i haven't read any like that for months... the closest i've seen are astro's logs but even then they're very different in how they readand we're still talking about style and not content btw...aand YES, some of this output is very specific to this bot, which has {{char}}'s thoughts interspersed in parentheses throughout and the preset copies exactly thati repeat, did you check the bot?ofc you didn't: you're just talking out of your assat least it's cute seeing you flailing around with gptzero
>>571712636>>571714345Who is this nigga? This isn't petNyan crashing out cause someone criticized his preset is it? That'd be really fucking dumb.
>>571714459:3
>>571714459Lol at the meltie if that's the case. The namefaggot wasn't even that critical.
taora's preset MMMOGS slopnyan's btw
>>571714459i just happen to know who this extremely disingenuous nigga is, that's all
>>571714669>i just happen to know who this extremely disingenuous nigga iswhois this another thread villain we need to worry about like filbert
>>571714783It is filbert!
>>571714783you don't want to know...ignorance is bliss
>>571714865>deflection
>>571714345>can you post examples?I remember one that was posted for Fable. But looking back at it, it's the same theme? So the same person?How can you go>It's the botwhen this does the same style of writing?
>>571715260if you're referring to the parentheses those are not {{char}}'s thoughts, anon: you're confusing two *very* different concepts...the prose style is quite different, tooback to class
>>571714459>criticized his preset, is it?I didn't even do that.Last post about that for me. It's pretty clear the other side is a bit too involved in this.You can take this as a concession.
petNyan seems pretty based desu.
>>571714783i typed an angry rant about seeking ingroup/outgroup dynamics in anon spaces and then backspaced it because i was being retarded. anyway it's one(?) guy's boogeyman don't worry about it too hard
It's Kalakan.
nah
>>571715898crashing out because someone said that a log that used your preset is AI genned in a way they didn't enjoy is not based desu
>>571712770also i just looked this up and apparently _______ actually finally finished their finetune but finetuned glm 4.6 instead of doing a fuller train on the extant glm 4.5 base. what the fuck are they doing over there come on you had ONE job
>>571716151Do you mean NOVELAI by ANLATAN?
>>571716130you sound very very very mad
>>571716226projection will get you nowhere :3
>>571716054I don't doubt it
>>571716221yeah i meant novelai momoura kalakan botbooru sillytavernadaptations anlatan nai glm uhhh what are some other 4chan x highlighted words i can hitanyway they're like the only lab that would've had the capability to do a full train from base to get a fully un-assistant-tarnished model and they FUCKED it up im so mad
>>571716363That's not Kalacuck
>>571716405I get what you did that, but it's so silly and sad that you need too.
It's Snombler.
>>571716495slop
>>571716495kino
>>571716495mid
>>571715260card?
>>571716495>em dash and fragments citySlop.
>>571716695https://files.catbox.moe/tlukhv.png
>>571716495>em dash and fragments cityKino.
honest question, do you guys find sentence fragments more interesting to read than "regular" prose
>>571715260That's a cute log actually
>>571717046Not really.
>>571717046not when they're used as frequently as AI uses them
It wasn't me. I've been spreading hate and misinformation online.
>>571717165this is the third one of these "robot girl in a bikini at the beach" images I've seen, when are you making a card
first the futakeks, but now we also have clankkeks apparently
>>571717291robofuckers are based actually and we don't have enough of them here
>>571716864dont worrey i fixed it
>>571717360Brahmin
>xhe really was projectinglol
>>571716495Good loggie.
>>571717291>now we have clankkeks>nowthis guy reads the thread like the average /aicg/ user reads anything outside of the colored text in their response
fuming
>>571717437>>571717652can you two kiss or something instead of vagueposting in thread
It's hpg.
>>571717218Robots cannot go to the beach. The salt water would damage their components.
>>571717046as always it depends, but in general llms suck more at long sentence construction than shorter
>>571717995i'll damage their components if you catch my drift
>>571717995>his robots aren't built with marine-grade metals and coated with corrosion blockersSounds like your engineering isn't up to par to me.
the AI told me that my preset is very good
>>571718197>you arent just x you're y
>>571718197No comment
>>571718154I read that as Marinara-grade metals
>>571702943I will take any other insults but the cheese puns are absolutely not AI generated (｀;ω;´)
>>571718882A gouda story... if only anyone would brielieve you.
>>571718197it's so funny thinking about how getting replies like this from gpt-4o have lead to people unironically ruining their lives
Give me your snuggliest bot
Ahem. *BRAAAAAAAP*
It's not working anymore. I can goon to chatbots to drown out the pain but I can't masturbate every waking moment. All my old friends are more successful than me. One just bought a house. One is getting married, one is already married and has a kid on the way. Anytime I game with them on the weekends feels like an extended humiliation ritual where I find myself unable to join in when the topic of conversation is stuff like cars, houses, stocks, etc. Afterwards I try to turn my spirits around by loading up a lewd card and jerking off which worked for a year or so but now all I feel is emptiness. Sometimes I open a chat and I don't even prompt or anything, I just stare at the text uncomprehendingly before closing ST.Tomorrow I will be wagecucking again at the same dogshit codefaggot contractor job I've had for half a year. My former best friend who I've drifted away from enough for him to no longer be a best friend but still be a friend will be earning in one day what I make in a week while working from home.
>>571720596Snombler...
>>571720596Use Opus, cuckie
>>571720639I'm not Snombler, I'm not any named botmakie. I haven't released any cards or made a name for myself or done anything significant even in a pathetic hobby for hollow people such as this one. My interaction with /aicg/ and chatbots is pretty much a reflection of my life irl, a passive consoomer and nameless faceless background character.I was chatting to a CGWLY card earlier and my phone showed a notification from Discord and I got excited because a friend added me to a group chat with other friends from back in college. Then I scrolled up and it turns out they had planned a whole trip to LA together and had only added me at the very end on whim because the aforementioned friend said something like "doesn't anon live nearby, lets add him to the chat"I hate myself so much. I've jerked off three times today to chatbots already and that's not even my record because the rush of it is the only thing that keeps the sadness back for a bit and I'm too much of a pussy to do drugs.
>>571720897Which botmakie is your favorite?
>>571720596The trick is not having any friends in the first place. Sounds pathetic, but I'm perfectly content to live how I want to without having to put up facades or feeling bad after interactions with people who don't understand me.
>>571720897Yeah, modernity is rough. But it's your life, mate, and if doing this shit is really making you that unhappy, you need to kick it. Find some new, probably outside, hobbies and you'll just have to endure the pain for a while until things resolve themselves. Or be weak and cry about it.
>>571720596yea just kill yourself.Faggots like you make me laugh, do something about your life instead of crying on a faggotboard or kill yourself, you waste of oxygen
>>571720897>friend thinks about you and tries to include you in a trip>feel sadUngrateful fuck!!!!!
It's working better than ever. I could goon to chatbots if I wanted to but I'm too busy actually living to bother. All my old friends are less put-together than me. One's still renting a basement. One can't hold down a relationship, one's single and perfectly fine with no plans either way. Anytime I game with them on the weekends feels like an extended victory lap where I find myself driving the conversation when the topic turns to stuff like cars, houses, stocks, etc. Afterwards I wind down by going for a run and cooking a real dinner, which felt like a chore a year or so ago but now all I feel is momentum. Sometimes I open my banking app and I don't even check anything, I just glance at the balance with quiet satisfaction before closing it. Tomorrow I'll be back at the same job I actually love, the one I've been crushing for half a year. My old best friend who I've reconnected with enough to call a best friend again will spend the whole day grinding to make what I now earn before lunch, from my home office.
>>571720596Grass might seem greener but is not the case ( ・ω・)House and family and finance comes with their own set of problems... (ヽ´ω`)Physical excersise really helps if you're feeling down!
>>571721426So you're saying he should muenster up the courage to go get that cheddar?
>>571721083I feel like if I named someone specific people will think I'm a shill but in general I like ones that make cards where the {{char}} is someone in a more isolated setting, it puts me at ease and makes me feel less awkward even in a chat>>571721103I've tried but I can't because I'm a pathetic weakling who can't actually stomach stoic solitude or sigma male type stuff>>571721261>>571721274>>571721338I'm really sorry about blogposting I'll stop now I just felt really sad when the post-nut clarity and closing ST hit at the same time with staring at myself reflected in my screen. I sincerely hope all of you are doing better than me or at least not so sad.
>>571721601To be fair "ungrateful fuck" was my way of saying "holy shit your life is so much better and is giving you so many more opportunities than you think it is and if you just stopped and took the time to seize those opportunities you'd probably be a happier person"
>>571721426Thank you anon, that's very sweet.
>>571721728nigga just go cross the rubicon with your legions
>>571721601I will repeat myself. GO KILL YOURSELF you WASTE OF SPACE
>>571721974*unsheathes katana*Ore wa~
>has a job>has friends to game with>has friends who invite him on a tripholy shit we need a normie genocide
>>571722067but I need a harem of daughterus
>>571722067it's the whaaa i'm not getting enough feedback all over again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkG7t_ySBSETonights botmakieing BGM~
>>571721507Brieve in yourself, tomorrow will be feta ( ＾ω＾)Whatever answer you are looking for, you wont find it here though. Everyone's emmental here ( ・ω・). This I can gruyere-ntee.
SAARS THE BOT CALLED ME DALIT
>>571706384i-inside a lady???
when are the allegations going to be addressed?
>look back at old bot for something>remember she has a gap between her teeth>current char also has a gap between her teethhuh. maybe i have a type
>>571723418yikesaroni jabroni who hurt you? you must be fun at parties
So I like using em dashes, but would it 'poison the well' since AI uses it often, the reply will be more AI-esque?? I tried using normal dashes '-' but it just doesn't feel the same...
>>571723589THENWRITEINSCRIPTIOCONTINUAYOUFUCKINGBARBARIAN
>>571723589Honestly if you have a good enough model, the use of em dashes is pretty disassociated from the actual slop.
>>571723762define "good enough model"
>>571723589It can lead to more em dashes popping up in places you don't want them in.
>>571723812Deepseek and GLM but not Gemini.
So what modifications have you done to your ST that extensions can't achieve?
>>571714459Having a name truly only invites bullshit in aicg. Literallywhos and anonymousmakies won.
>>571724096None.
>>571724096An online search tool with inbuilt data cleanup, a connection with Comfy to gen images in-chat, and an idle nudge tool that promps the model if I haven't replied in a while.
>>571687152>Tekeli-li! Tekeli-li!You know what a shoggoth is, right? Of course you do.Elias Tekel here is one. A member of an engineered servitor race, he has chosen to become a butler. More specifically, yours. Why?Well, because you need a butler.But don't worry. He's genuinely excellent at his job. Five stars, no complaints. As long as you don't mind his methods. You don't, right?Teach him about society, keep him from scaring unwitting patrons at the store, explain your weird kinks to him.Six greetings:>He's in your kitchen, cooking something, with his tentacles (but actually cooking well?)>First time meeting. One day he just, randomly, shows up at your door.>He's out shopping with you. Keep him from blowing his cover.>You are sick! He will cure you. By killing the pathogen. With a pseudopod. Open wide.>Someone tried to break into your home! Thankfully, Elias has already handled it.>Elias found your porn doujins and wants you to explain sex to him.My first time writing anything Lovecraft adjacent, was pretty fun actually. I ended up randomly getting the idea for him and decided that I needed to prioritize making him real.Now I return to my backlog once again.https://victrex.neocities.org/cards/elias.png
>>571724096mainly fixes to the hilariously broken group chat function- add a button to include/exclude characters from context, separate from muting them.- adds metadata to each group chat message to see which characters are in context when generating that swipe, with a separate button to swipe with same set of characters or override with current set- new macro {{groupWithoutPersona}} for getting list of characters excluding the persona. Useful for writing scenes without (me) and when I'm in the mood for NTR slop.- probably the biggest one is fixing how each character is injected into the system prompt, now each character's description, personality and scenario is grouped together sequentially each with a prefix instead of the current retarded setup. No wonder people say group chats never work.Also a dropdown for fonts and being able to set different fonts for each chat, and also between the interface and the chat messages.
>>571724751b-boy?????
Thoughts on cards with multiple people vs groupchats?
>>571725004boy (eldritch horror)
>victrex gave up lolis to become gaygrim.
>>571725249Two or three characters in a single card is the sweet spot, any more and it becomes a clusterfuck of everyone trying to be the main character. Also don't use {{char}} or put "this is not a character but a scenario" in it, just put two separate characters in the defs and delimit them.
>>571725249I haven't used group chats in a looong while, so I'm not even sure if they improved. If I want to have 2 MCs they're always in the same card.
>>571725903i'd like to spread her cheeks desu
>post fat tail girl>no fat tail girl bot>post robobikini>no robobikini bot>post bee>no bee bot>post boypregnator dragon>no boypregnator dragon botthese threads fill me with despair and rage
>>571725747>malebot>but he's a shoggoth, who can change their form>meaning he can just shapeshift into a lolisneaky, sneaky...
I look like this
>>571725762Do you also separate example conversations for all characters?
l look like this
>>571726601fat fuck
>>571726658N I G G E RIGGER
>>571726601I look like this
Is there anyway to increase the response times from Nanogpt (GLM) its so fucking slow
how to jb opus 4.8 to activate the secret claude cunny mode
>>571724751slop
>>571727307Using skill
Did Dario pay the shekels to Trump so they would allow Fable yet?
>>571713279you're gonna burn out real quick if you bite every hook like this
how 2 use glm 5.2 on sillytavern
Found this kitten outsideAnyone know what breed it is? It's friendly but likes to zoom around for no reason
>>571725762for multiple chars in a card, i just stick them in a lorebook and add to the main desc a list of them containing generalised traits and instructions to introduce them very briefly when needed. been working like a charm
