Lessons in Love General #6This general is for the discussion of the adult English visual novel Lessons in Love, where you take over as the teacher for a class of 20 students trying to make their way through life. BEWARE: There is a lot of sexual content.>Game linkshttps://djnostyle.itch.io/lessons-in-love (It's free!)https://subscribestar.adult/selebus>ToolsGuide mod: https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-progress-and-guide-mod-v0-57-0-cckerberos.106973/Flowchart: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fllvDn805bE_8JOl7TKOTM40O6LJnkN/viewURM (for editing values): https://0x52.dev/mods/Universal-Ren-Py-Mod-1000Puzzle guide: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2025/11/5442808_Lessons_in_Love_Resets.txtFont patch (drag into folder to fix em dashes in the backlog): https://pastebin.com/Ygj3t9h9>Community worksWiki (includes translations for hex/etc): https://lessonsinlove.wiki/Fanart: https://www.lessonsinlovegame.com/galleries/fan-art/>FAQQ: The world is broken and I can't progress! What do?A: That's intentional. Try to work out how to progress, or check the puzzle guide if you really can't figure it out.Q: Is there any way to find scenes easier? I keep getting lost.A: The guide mod in the tools section will show exactly what scenes are available and how to get them at any given time. It's highly recommended. You can also use URM to raise the affection/lust values of characters if you get tired of grinding them.Q: What kind of /vn/ is this, exactly?A: It's a sprawling, 3-million-word long harem dating sim with an emphasis on slice-of-life comedy and romance that at times dips into denpa (schizo) themes and slowly unfurls a grander narrative as a web of drama forms between the cast. Play the start and you'll soon see what's up.Q: Next big update when?A: 7/1/26Previous thread: >>571286371
tfw no irish gamer gf
>>572541774IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME
This thread will be Molly's first WUnless mods deleted it instead of the troll thread and her L streak continues
>>572542357It's absurd NOBODY wants to fuck this Irish girl but Sensei. She even DMs for them
>>572542541Sensei should be cool and get her a 3 way with Rin.
>>572542654Forget all incest combinations, there should be all Irish combinations
>>572542654the fallout of this would be incredible. molly would get to show off her sexual experience and get revenge for rin making her feel like a loser
Dayai thread
>>572542898That moment was actually kino not gonna lie, it sold me on the game
>>572539562Yay.
>>572542541She will NEVER truly fit in with the pureblooded Yamatoan people.
Is Disonnance worth trying?
>>572543412If you are under the age of 18, I think it's possible your brain hasn't developed enough to notice the bad writing, so yes, but anyone at or above 18 should probably not bother.
Would you play a campaign DM'd by Molly?
>>572542541Arguably there's Ami.
>>572544106True.
>>572543323No, no, no!She'll fit in, just like Selebus!
>>572543412Yes it is! It's pretty good all things considered, both the visuals and story are at its best point at the moment, so yeah give it a chance. >>572543628This is the shit I'm talking about, quof, you can have your own opinions, but if you try to pass them as facts with your snarky reddit comments that's where the problem starts, and you wonder why your so carefully and source based review gets disregarded immediately and treated like a 5k word vomit.
>>572544913>yfw selebus moved to japan just to write molly's experience as a gaijin more accurately
>>572545168He was right about Dissonance though
>>572545168lol nobody is going to take you seriously if you can't actually debunk his arguments and are just saying you're disregarding them for external reasons.
>>572545168>but if you try to pass them as facts with your snarky reddit comments that's where the problem startsDo you think, indeed, a snarky reddit comment that people over the age of 18 shouldn't play a game is passing it off as fact? It's just a joke.
14gb?! in this economy!?!
>>572546995It's almost all images, there are tens of thousands of them. Besides, there are bigger VNs out there in terms of file size, like the Tsukihime remake.
>>572547321sorry nonnie i was being facetious/
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>>572548034didn't mean to reply lol
>>572546995Each byte represents one orgasm
>>572548034Damn I love the Irish
>>572548630kinda true
>>572545276>>572545356I have already refuted many of his arguments regarding the story and Toru as a protagonist, but he basically goes around acting like if what I've said already is not enough for him, and still he refuses to acknowledge that my points are also based on the very source text of the story, because they are. I can go and dissect the key points of his review, one by one. Though I would need many posts mainly for the attachments of the parts he used on his review. However, I would rather not do that and just leave it in a truce because even though this whole thing is annoying, His opinion for me it's not that serious, it's even somewhat entertaining to read, but it can get that serious if needed. Taking about other things, one thing I found funny is that Quof refused to use Toru's canon name during his playthrough and rather deliberately chose to name him Sensei, basically stripping him from what he had left of his own identity. Despite saying multiple times that he didn't try to project anything from LiL into Dissonance. It's just something I wanted to point out.>>572545421>a snarky reddit comment that people over the age of 18 shouldn't play a game is passing it off as fact?I know it's a joke, the first part at least, but I was talking about the whole argument of last thread.
>>572549641>I have already refuted many of his arguments regarding the story and Toru as a protagonist, but he basically goes around acting like if what I've said already is not enough for him, and still he refuses to acknowledge that my points are also based on the very source text of the story,I've had to equate you to presenting Ministry of Truth-grade propaganda like three times. You probably don't have much self-awareness of the fact but you literally do just make shit up at the drop of a hat that makes no sense and has no basis in the story. You like start at your conclusion and make up whatever is necessary to make it true, on perhaps a purely unconscious level. It's very disconcerting.>one thing I found funny is that Quof refused to use Toru's canon name during his playthrough and rather deliberately chose to name him Sensei, basically stripping him from what he had left of his own identity. I just use Sensei as a name in every EVN I play that lets me rename the protagonist. It's just a funny joke to me. If the dev didn't want Toru's "identity stripped" or whatever they shouldn't make him a renameable self-insert. Selebus doesn't let you rename Sensei.
>>572550131no dude you hate him and you want to rape him and Dissonance
>>572550131SO didn't plan to let Janu be renameable either at first, he just got so many complaints from random players demanding he make the name changeable that he just gave up and did it. But it's really obvious the character is meant to be Janu and any other name doesn't work.
>>572550304>dev forces you to play as a Hungarian
>>572550131i think he's just bad enough at english that he filled in the gaps in his understanding of the story with whatever he wanted to be true
>>572550596ESL magic is powerful...
>>572543412it's okay, i think it could use some work but overall it's readable.
>>572551996>some workUnderstatement.
>>572550304Not my problem why a developer chooses to compromise their art. People whine to Selebus about a thousand things and he doesn't change his artistic vision for them. A dev can't both allow you to rename a protagonist /and/ get pissy about their identity. Or wait, am I looking for artistic integrity and getting unhappy just because it's not there?
>>572544023no, i'm not creative enough for roleplaying
Would she be a good maid?
>>572555405Probably better than she is at her current job. Low bar though.
>>572552253I mean it's not the developer's problem either, he figures if people want a renameable protagonist so bad they can have it and anyone who wants a genuine, authentic experience isn't affected. Selebus's "artistic vision" sounds good until you realise it's making you spam grinding for points a million times and anyone complaining about this can get fucked. Sometimes his vision just sucks.
>>572555683I appreciate his artistic vision of making the player suffer so long as I can just use external resources to avoid actually suffering.
MOVE>>571286079>>571286079>>571286079
>>572557365back to /vn/ with you
>>572555683>anyone who wants a genuine, authentic experience isn't affected.That's not how it works. The moment you have a renamable protagonist their integrity as their own person is in the shitter. Everyone sees the renaming textbox and has to enter "Toru" anyway, so it feels inauthentic even if it is the default - it's the default fake name for a self-insert. Basically, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Ignoring everything with compromised integrity doesn't make what remains "genuine" or "authentic."
>>572557562I'm a /lil/ kid, born and raised in these streets.
>>572556157Yeah, it's not like I think affection pointing grinding is that good, but it's easy to subvert and not a big deal. Frankly the amount of fuss people kick up over puzzles and grinding is ridiculous to me since it's so easy to just URM or look up the answers if one doesn't care. The literally 3 million words of story obviously matter way more than any of that.
>>572550131>I've had to equate you to presenting Ministry of Truth-grade propaganda.So the subtext present in the events and the way the game wants me to interpret the interactions presented on the story are now just made up propaganda? I don't go the entire way to make up scenarios to justify what I believe in, everything I say is presented in the story explicitly or implicitly according to the interaction happening, and I think you don't understand that because you take the text at face value and don't try to immerse yourself enough to think that maybe the game is trying to give you hints that there is something hidden beneath the surface, you're so focused on the way things are written that you don't pay attention to the meaning behind them. I don't get how you read the whole game and didn't pick up on the hints:'Hmmm maybe the game hasn't even gotten to the hidden stuff yet? Maybe I have overlooked some information? Am I too quick to judge? Do we know why Toru seems to feel close yet distant to Eri despite both of them now being Amnesiacs who may have known each other before their memory loss? Do we know who Memory Girl is beyond apparently being someone close to Pre-amnesia Toru? How Toru got first involved with the Greater Plane? What deal did he make with the Strange Man before in the past and if it's tied to his Amnesia?, The mentions of a fire taking away everything from Toru, Toru's parents being dead and his mother subtly implied to be involved with the Greater Plane during her life, mentions of a past love gone missing and I'm saying this because even after all this you think that "Toru's pathetic pathology presented blandly bad" is just "basic bitch anxiety" inside crowds? You didn't seem to notice that the crowd fear is not the root. Like... bruh, there is more info to be presented, you just aren't given it yet. I don't know. I may never know, So many questions, answers hidden away in his past, and you did not realize anything
>>572559928Talking with you about Dissonance scenes goes like this>"I can't believe Toru said X to this girl.">"Oh, he wasn't talking to that girl, he was talking to another girl off screen.">"No, there's no other girl in the room.">"Oh, well he didn't quite say X, he said something else.">"No, here's a screenshot of X.">"Oh, well he may have said X and he may have said it to the girl, but it's actually understandable given Toru's background. Remember - he has amnesia and doesn't know how to talk to this girl who is like a new person to him.">"No, this is months upon months into the game and he has talked to this girl a lot by now.">"Oh, well he may have said X and he may have said it to the girl and it may be months into the game by this point, but you see Toru is a different guy from Sensei, he won't be that forward."Loop infinitely. There is literally no scenario where you say "oh yeah I was wrong about that" or "Oh yeah I'm being too defensive about this scene," you have like an infinite hat from which you can pluck as many justifications or explanations as you want. It's very disconcerting.To be fair, there's a lot of people who think/act like this, so I'm not like singling you out as an abnormality, but that's why "what you've said already" is not enough. Your made-up and incoherent excuses are good enough for your own mind, but in the real world you have to actually talk about reality to mean anything. Nor will I suddenly say that your nonsense is "based on the very source text" of the story just because you say it is. From your perspective, you may feel like you're analyzing the source text, but from an outside perspective it is very visibly nonsense. And I don't mean stuff like what's in your spoiler, but just casual conversations that people bring up, like recently someone mentioned the weird way girls look at the camera even when Toru is nowhere near them and you start making up nonsense about them being unable to keep their eyes off him.
>>572560526>There is literally no scenario where you say "oh yeah I was wrong about that" or "Oh yeah I'm being too defensive about this scene,"Perchance you are right about that. However, while I recognize my own wrongdoings, I double down on you ignoring that it also applies to you as well, not just to me. There is literally no scenario either where you say "oh yeah I was too harsh about that" or "Oh yeah I'm being too judgemental about this event," you also have like an infinite hat from which you can pluck as many nitpicks and flaws as you want. It's very frustrating.>From your perspective, you may feel like you're analyzing the source text, but from an outside perspective it is very visibly nonsense.That encapsulates pretty much how I feel about your interpretation of the story as well, because from my perspective there's so much you've missed to understand that a major portion of your criticism falls under your biased conjectures.>like recently someone mentioned the weird way girls look at the camera even when Toru is nowhere near them and you start making up nonsense about them being unable to keep their eyes off him.If I can give you the pleasure of agreeing with you on something, it is this thing right here. I admit that I did quite an overreach on my answer to that question, but that was, just my own attempt of trying to give an answer to something I wasn't personally bothered by during my time reading the game. However, on the rest of the stuff you've said so far I need you to do some introspection because it also applies to you, a discussion like this is not a one way road. You can't talk about "the real world" if you are only considering your perspective.
>>572563148I'm pretty aggressive about admitting where I'm wrong; in my literal childhood I noticed the tendency for people to refuse to admit their errors and decided not to be that way myself, so even if it feels humiliating or something I'm pretty much the most likely person in the entire world to admit when I'm wrong. Therefore, the uno reverse trick of "actually, YOU'RE the one who doesn't admit they're wrong!" doesn't work at all on me. That's not something you can just generically say about anyone; it has to be based on reality. The fact I don't immediately bend the knee every time you say something doesn't mean I'm refusing to admit when I'm wrong. The fact of the matter is just that Dissonance is not very well-written, so you are approaching this from a very disadvantaged position. It's like you need to argue that Twilight is actually fine literature, or some low budget nukige is actually a kamige. For you to be right you have to identify a particularly bad argument of mine, while striking it with a particularly excellent argument of yours. Your job is just really hard here. And that is why you are making so little ground. My arguments were not that bad, and your arguments are not that excellent.
>>572563148>>572564047For example, you keep bringing up that Toru's fear of crowds is like "more deep than that" and "there's more info to be presented," but that's a pretty weak argument. What do we see in the game? We see a bunch of poorly written scenes where Toru goes like "uggh there's a bunch of people" and then goes to be on his own then is like "whew, now there's not so many people." It doesn't matter if there's like some deep lore bombs to be dropped, the scenes are bad as presented and will always be bad. There's no sense of weight, there's no sense of reality, there's no emotional impact, it's just bland presentation for a bland pathology. Therefore it's boring and sucks. Nobody is going to be convinced that a boring sucky scene is actually good because there's deep lore behind it or something. You have to do better than that.I fully acknowledge there's a lot I don't know; not just for Toru, but for basically any character I would never claim to have 100% knowledge on them. That's why I judge them based on what we see and what we know about them. You may as well say any terrible character is actually based because they have secret lore that hasn't been shown yet - very weak argument. Doesn't matter what happened in Toru's past if in the present we're just being presented with unending bland scenes about what can equate to basic bitch anxiety for how little impact or weight it has. And personally, it's hard to imagine being interested in any intrigue when his past potential love is literally dubbed "Memory Girl" like a bad joke, with no attempt to give her intrigue or mystery. Bro literally goes around talking about Memory Girl like it's bland mystery. That's just bad writing.
Molly would choose YOU over her eroge collection
>>572568231JOPing chuunige with Molly and humiliating her for not knowing how to read some bullshit like 鬼å“啾啾!!
>>572569634Molly is the type to "know how to speak" but not know kanji very well
>>572572379i think this is only true when selebus is projecting. she reads a lot of eroge and we've seen she reads them in japanese so she probably reads kanji better than most of the class. she's mentioned maggot baits for example which is on the denser side, at that level she would find any other chuunige at least approachable
>>572575304She probably read the MangaGamer release. For shame.
>>572587090
>>572587090Me>>572587273My gf
>>572555405say the thing molly
>>572594702LUCK OF THE IRISH... BEAAAAAAAAAM
it's almost here bros
>>572597497would 100%
https://subscribestar.art/posts/2476895It's up bros
>Update day
let's fucking go
>new shrine eventFinally...
>>572603758My ears are fucking saved2 years of that bullshit
Fatababros... (do they even exist?)Also Sekai sexo.
>>572609070Have a feeling we're all taking a screenshot of this
>>572609070>>572609319Absolute kino render. I would have posted it but I knew someone else would
shota dick goes here
best girl
>>572613539i want a LIL spinoff that is Shota sensei x Sekai, a slice of life romance that involves her coming home from work every day exhausted and him having to serve her needs because she's doing it all.
lol
Tsukasa's events were pretty great. Thanks, Ami.
>>572619612Ami really is the best niece one could ask for
Update finished. Shit was kino. Laughed a bunch and had some great moments. As always, it's good to be alove
Wholesome family bonding.
>>572623758One of the most wholesome updates in a while
holy cute
>>572627482All of Russia came
>>572609070>do they even exist?After this update? They just might
It's over... fun update.
My wife's son recommended me this game "Lessons in Love", and it seems like it'd be an interesting experience that'd also help me close the gap with that kid with a shared interest.The problem is that I don't know where to purchase it. It's not on steam, and it has been a while since I've had to dust off the 'ol pirate hat to download games. :^)Google search brought me here, maybe one of you gentlemen can help me out?
>>572616253protect her smile
I tried getting into this game, but the way characters speak is way too off putting. They all have this millennial dialogue problem
>>572646041This is a game by and for millennials, it's true.
>>572646041skibidi zoomer slop translation patch when
>>572651563
>>572646041To be fair most of the cast is teenage girls and dykes so it's an accurate portrayal
>>572658001For a week now, I've been wondering - what skills I need to fly.If hope alone can grant me wings - if concern alone is fine.But the problem with this dream of mine's not the chance that I may die -It's the fact that I might hurt you.It's the chance that you might cry.Who raps upon my chamber door? Who crawls across these marble floors?Who scratches at my coffin's lid and mocks the raven's "nevermore?"I hear things, Boy. I'm scared. I'm yours!But you're not here when I need you.There's no glow to make me pure.They're here again. I hear them. Those endless, violent knocks -It's been three weeks since I've slept, I think - this dead bird never mocks.But the blues and reds still fly, I think. I think the door's unlocked.I think I think I'm losing it. I think I think I'm lost.Arakiel's silhouette - Azrael's old cot>Daniel's misbegotten snake - Etinsib Ziwa's war/Nbat!Harmozel and Hofniel* What Gossamer forgot}I think my light is burning out.I fear my mind will rot.
After SO I swear Lil feels so slow-paced and boring now, like nothing happened this update
>>572665172What? This update was like nonstop character development.
>>572665389>character development
>>572669227And just like that, she stopped being a bad character.
>>572633398It's a free game you can download on itch.io:https://djnostyle.itch.io/lessons-in-lovePublic releases of updates usually drop about 2–3 weeks after the subscriber release. Some people pirate it because they don't want to wait, and the links are already posted at the top of the page anyway
>>572670820you should be able to tell by the first 3 words that that's a shitpost
>>572671134yeah, now i feel really stupid
What fetishes does this game have?
>>572673313It's a "stay for the story and characters" sort of game, but there are certainly a lot of sex scenes. In general they're pretty vanilla fetishes like incest, age gap, power play, threesomes, discreet sex, masturbation, yuri, stuff like that. It's got some of the funniest and most surreal sex scenes I've ever seen though.
>>572674113None of this is vanilla
>>572674789Masturbation isn't vanilla?
>>572673313Most of them, no scat or gore and most of it is consensual. Some of it is pretty hardcore. It has lots of tags.
>>572674789It might as well be. I just checked the front page of pornhub for reference and 6/8 videos were one of those. Yeah the incest is all supposed step-relatives but that's not much different if nobody involved is getting pregnant.
>>572674871Teacher x student masturbation isn't. The only stuff that isn't illegal is when sensei fucks his hag harem.
>>572675203It's not for a lack of trying, sensei has about as much self control as Rance does
>>572675491If Sensei had a slave who knew contraception magic he'd probably use it...
>>572673313Like 70% of the time you get blowjobs/handjobs and the rest is just vaginal with an odd titjob or two. Overall pretty basic
This just makes me want to reread The Room with Clocks because I swear this was what Teacher said there.
>>572677228average tsubasa line
>>572677228This is a consistent thing with Tsubasa, she quotes things Sekai said like 100 times, presumably because they were friends.
>>572665172If it feels like nothing happened, you probably just didn't see it. Think deeper and adjust the angle of the light.
i can't just play every month, after catching up I'll stop reading for 8-12 months and wait for the story to catch up before enjoying it for a month or so.
>>572683857But it's so much fun reading an update and talking about it with the bros.
>>572665172>trying to use the filename randomizer to hideYour bad takes are like a lighthouse beacon
>>572684637
Baby Finches isn't triggering after I entered Hope, =) and :) don't work either.
>>572685941it's case sensitive
>>572685941>>572685996yeah since you're inputting it into a computer as a password it's case sensitive like an actual computer password would be
>>572685996>>572686089>had to enter 'HOPE' instead of 'Hope.'Goddamnit, thanks.
>>572687686Oh wow, I didn't realize the puzzle guide literally gave wrong info there. How funny
Ami is so cute.
>>572693326Kirby played a pivotal role in this scene
Based update
Uta confirmed to masturbate a dozen times to Sensei a day
holy fucking kino
>>572704391All of Russia nutted
>>572541615Who is this sexo demon?
>>572705345Molly from Lessons in Lovehttps://vndb.org/c93230
>>572705345LOOK OUT! SHE'S AFTER YOUR SEED!
>>572708374>>572705383She can have all of it
>>572683857I like having something to look forward to each month.
>>572683857The curse of koikatsu sloppa. The porn series I follow releases like 20 pages each month and that's just way too slow.
>>572717757Yeah. It gives a nice rhythm to each month, and it's a good excuse to chat about LiL with friends again as we all go through the update
>>572717757i did that for SO, but LIL i can't just leave every month in suspense wondering what's going to happen next month. I have a massive folder of unfinished VNs or VNs i havent yet started and an equally massive folder of light novels i pirated and LIL is a lower priority.but a nice change in pace after a while of not reading. I've had to start over from the beginning more than once, and it's still pretty good the second and third time reading it.
>>572723906>i did that for SOOldfag EVN reader I kneel
>>572730618Cute>>572735163Cute>>572735940Cute retard
>>572735940that's not even the right cat
>>572752824Sara is so fucking cute. I want a scene where she and her daughter tag team sensei and the after scene is just them lying on their backs cum gushing out their holes
>>572753681Something like that would keep Sensei with them forever
>>572753681Personally I'm looking forward to Ami getting involved.
>>572752824I know a single mom that looks just like Sara and has a daughter it's incredibly difficult to resist the temptation but i'm not letting the voices win.
>>572758920>LiL>straight womanIs such a thing possible?
>>572754817ami and sekai
>>572762008nodoka can't be the only one to get a ghost threesome, it's not fair
>>572699769when did uta get so based
>>572766472She got Sekai'd.
>>572768889thank you sekai my queen
>>572770118sekai needs to hit Io up
>>572771721Io's already on a pretty good track for her situation. And it didn't seem like whatever has happened in The Hatchery affected her too badly.
>>572772585Yeah, if anyone's getting another EP next it's Yasu.
>>572772865Or Karin now that Ami failed at selling her to Sensei.
>>572773161Karin's definitely gonna need something drastic, but I can imagine that coming without supernatural influence. Would feel a little awkward with how her character arc has progressed.
.59 was so good bros...
