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Best mage Himiko! I hope you all have a wonderful day! For those of you posting about how much you love your waifu or husbando I have a message for you They love you too

>>572777297
>Were they just morally superior?
In a way yes. Sakura killed herself for a moral reason and then Mukuro's corpse was planted before anybody had a chance to kill. Though I guess the fact that Chapter 5 was meant to take out Kyoko rather than have anybody kill helps

Izuru is just Junko if you boiled away anything entertaining about her

Petah the horse is here

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As the arbiters of quality that /drg/ is, can you tell me if 100 line is worth it overall or not?
I'm aware that it is more Kodaka than Uchikoshi despite my need for Zero Escape 4 but I also like Kodaka's work.

>>572777662
Actually the fact that Chapter 5 went well also depends on moral superiority because Makoto trusted Kyoko out of the goodness in his heart and Alter Ego was Alter Ego. Why didn't the V3 cast just become better people? Are they stupid?

>>572777886
If you like Kodaka's work then I recommend Hundred Line.

>>572777886
HL has like 5 routes that aren't bad
Not 5 routes that are good, just not bad

>>572777886
As a completely unbiased /thlg/ regular with 3 plushies and a keychain I say yes if you're patient and willing to run into a few bad routes. Some are fucking kino

>>572768234
>Celestia, Kaede, Korekiyo high
You're aight
>Hajime and Mahiru high
Questionable but we all have our biases
>Miu low
Based
>Gundham that low
Interesting

the weak suffer. i endure

>>572777939
Yeah trusted her and she basically ripped his heart out and spat on it kek

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>>572774532
>Your entire argument hinges on the idea that it skipping immediately to Monotaro in the prologue isn't an inconsistency, when it is. That's not how dialogue in these games has ever worked; we don't suddenly leave the pov character's voice behind, jumping around a conversation.
This is a bit of a circular argument. You're saying it can't happen, because it never happens. But it has happened. It's happening in the exact scene we're discussing. You're only saying it never happens because you're rejecting the scene where it happens.

>You only have two braincells but what's contradictory is how they were acting literally every single moment before those few lines of dialogue in Tsumugi's flashback.
How they were acting every single moment before the flashback (it's not Tsumugi's flashback) is what leads up to the flashback. The first several lines of the flashback are taken directly from the prologue, word for word. Saying that this is contradicted by the prologue implies that you think the beginning of the prologue contradicts what we later see in the prologue. Or that you think that the beginning of the flashback contradicts the end of the flashback. It doesn't work for you either way.

>Implying an author can't show misleading information, especially from an untrustworthy source?
The point is that it isn't coming from a source at all. The source of the flashback is not anyone or anything from inside the story. You're still arguing like you think that the flashback is being provided by Tsumugi, which isn't possible.

>It could easily be Tsumugi saying "...and they they said this." After all, Tsumugi doesn't exactly know what Kaede is thinking, huh?
You just made my argument for me. Tsumugi can't know what Kaede was thinking, but Kaede's thoughts in the prologue are exactly the same as her thoughts in the flashback.

Tsumugi can't say "And then Kaede thought in her head" when she's telling a story. So the flashback is real.

>>572778196
Is that Setsu to the left in the second row?? She has an official figurine??

>>572778271
aint no one reading that

>>572778271
unc thinks his words matter bro wtf :crying_emoji: :wilted_rose:

>>572778196
Do you hide these when you have company

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>>572778314
Yes. She has a few.

Do you think someone else will play the antagonist role in 2x2?

>>572778271
>But it has happened
No. Tsumugi claimed it happened. Big difference. If you wanna call it circular, you can call your own argument circular as well.
>How they were acting every single moment before the flashback (it's not Tsumugi's flashback) is what leads up to the flashback. The first several lines of the flashback are taken directly from the prologue, word for word. Saying that this is contradicted by the prologue implies that you think the beginning of the prologue contradicts what we later see in the prologue.
Wrong few lines and an incredibly disingenuous argument. No, obviously it is the new lines added in the flashback that take the place of Monotaro's lines that are being referred to. I am saying how the characters were acting before the last line Shuichi, Kaito, and Kaede have (which were added by Tsumugi) are incorrect. This is what I meant by the lack of your braincells.
>The point is that it isn't coming from a source at all. The source of the flashback is not anyone or anything from inside the story. You're still arguing like you think that the flashback is being provided by Tsumugi, which isn't possible.
I just told you it is. We're seeing the narrative Tsumugi is providing. It's not a flashback in the sense that it actually had to have happened.
>You just made my argument for me. Tsumugi can't know what Kaede was thinking, but Kaede's thoughts in the prologue are exactly the same as her thoughts in the flashback.
>Tsumugi can't say "And then Kaede thought in her head" when she's telling a story. So the flashback is real.
She never did this. She just said "this is what you guys said" and the flashback takes place after the thought Kaede had. The flashback is fake because it contains contradictory information.

>>572778196
>No Zero Escape figures
I weep for the departed

>>572778497
Interesting... I'm more tempted to get one of these than anything from DR or a similarly big franchise, since GNOSIA is so small it feels like my support matters more with it.

>>572778607
Akane because she was originally meant to be the rival. Except not really, that's just a rumour with no solid basis.

>>572778607
The antagonist will be Shuichi, who wants to shut down Danganronpa once and for all

>>572778607
Chiaki because evil Chiaki is the logical next step in chapter 1 twists

>>572779223
I'm calling it, there's going to be a scene where Shuichi's voice is coming from the sky but nobody knows who it is

>>572779223
Instead of a Funhouse it will be Himiko's Magic Kingdom where she makes a guest appearance helping Shuichi torture the DR2 cast

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>>572778850
acheron should weep for the state of her game instead

>>572779662
I stopped playing after getting Hylisens so I wouldn't know

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Outfit swap!!

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Reminder Kazuichi is surviving 2x2!!

>>572780132
Do you like pizza flavored poop

>>572780174
For me, it's gotta be poop flavored pizza.

>>572780132
2x2 is getting cancelled in about 20 hours

>>572780306
Wahoo!!!

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so hard to choose

>>572780132
He will be the first victim as was intended.

>>572780417
Nekomaru's poopy is really funny so he scored pretty high in mine but Mikan's saviorfag appeal makes her hard to beat

>>572780417
White bread vs stinking dogshit with maggots inside

>>572778808
>If you wanna call it circular, you can call your own argument circular as well.
My argument is that the flashback happened because we see it happen in the game. It's not circular.

> No, obviously it is the new lines added in the flashback that take the place of Monotaro's lines that are being referred to.
The new lines from the flashback and Monotaro's lines from the prologue can't contradict each other since the characters who have new lines in the flashback are not shown speaking at this point during the prologue and Monotaro is not shown speaking at this part of the flashback. You cannot claim that a scene from the game is fake because it contradicts something that you did not see.

>I am saying how the characters were acting before the last line Shuichi, Kaito, and Kaede have (which were added by Tsumugi) are incorrect.
That's how they were acting in the prologue. Kaede's "H-Huh? Wh-What am I wearing" and Shuichi's "Ultimates...? Really?" are identically present in the prologue and in the flashback.

>We're seeing the narrative Tsumugi is providing.
Already proven to be impossible since we see Kaede's inner thoughts and Tsumugi cannot possibly provide those, nor would it even make sense for her to attempt to do so.

>and the flashback takes place after the thought Kaede had.
Kaede's thoughts are shown in the middle of the flashback.

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>>572780306
Fuck yeah, then we can all be free.
>>572780567
In your dreams

Finished my nap! Does anyone have the sorter's link?

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>>572781093
https://sortr.io/sorter/danganronpa-characters-ve8y9

>>572781036
>then we can all be free.
Why? Kazuichi will survive, right?

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>>572781267
The release will be full of DOOM despite that. An eternity of doom.

>>572777297
The opposite is true, they're all pretty terrible sans Makoto but they shaped up versus Junko

What's Sonia's stance on immigrants?

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My sorter is mostly the same as last time I did it. I am rating Sakura higher than I normally do, top 15. I like her over Maki and Nekomaru, she is strong but humble.

>>572781727
Novoselic denies papers to anyone with pink hair or shark teeth
For the country's security, you understand

>>572781717
>all the good people (except for makoto who has plot armor) died in thh
>the only character who wasn't a terrorist died in sdr2
>v3 surviving cast contains a literal assassin

>>572780923
>My argument is that the flashback happened because we see it happen in the game. It's not circular.
That's as circular as what you think mine is.
>Monotaro wasn't interrupted because that's not how they do things
>The Flashback isn't fake because that's not how they do things
See? You really are not good with these logic things.
>You cannot claim that a scene from the game is fake because it contradicts something that you did not see.
It literally is fake because Monotaro said things right after they said it was a killing game and in the flashback he didn't lmao
You're saying that Kaede, the pov character, just had her dialogue restricted from us just because someone said told you a narrative that she did.
>That's how they were acting in the prologue. Kaede's "H-Huh? Wh-What am I wearing" and Shuichi's "Ultimates...? Really?" are identically present in the prologue and in the flashback.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense with what they say at the very end. They wouldn't be acting like that if they were really excited by Danganronpa, because they would've known as soon as they saw Rantaro, the Monokubs, we're locked in a school with 16 people, and were called Ultimates. They didn't, until they were told they were in a killing game, so Tsumugi was lying.
>Already proven to be impossible since we see Kaede's inner thoughts and Tsumugi cannot possibly provide those
It was already provided to us, the player. The flashback we see is a narrative added on to what really happened. Tsumugi is not narrating Kaede's thoughts.
>Kaede's thoughts are shown in the middle of the flashback.
No, the new information provided by the flashback is after her thoughts which we've already seen.

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One thing I notice while I'm making this sorter is that I don't hate Haiji because he is a pretty interesting antagonist but I don't think I thought of that in a long time bc all the thoughts and discussions I have seen about him are always about the fact that he's a pedophile which is disappointing bc he is not a bad antagonist at all specially considering the theme of his game
>>572781215
Thank you... hey why is Gonta so low??
>>572781979
Do you need to pay to make these? I wonder

>>572782656
Haiji being a pedophile is hilarious and makes him a 10x better character.

>>572782656
He's a caricature of his archtype.

>>572780923
>flashback happened because we see it happen in the game
But we see things that didn't happen as well, such as the Gofer project.
>You cannot claim that a scene from the game is fake because it contradicts something that you did not see
So does that mean that Tsumugi was lying about being the cosplay cat criminal? We saw that, so it can't be fake.
OR We can both recognize that stuff can be shown to us while also being fake whether the audition was fake or not.
>Already proven to be impossible since we see Kaede's inner thoughts and Tsumugi cannot possibly provide those
We already have evidence of software being able to emulate people from the Neo world program.

Pomni - Drydick
Jax - SF
Ragatha - Oumenofag
Gangle - Nagitofag
Zooble - Rantarofag
Caine - Himikofag
Bubble - Nidaifag

>>572782790
That "I like em as young as possible" line came out of nowhere, he didn't have to share that

>>572783073
Come back.

UDG is the worst shooter I ever played in my life, and I played Postal 3

>>572783420
i had fun

rapefag raped cousin

>>572782347
>That's as circular as what you think mine is.
My argument is that the scene in the game exists. My source is the game.
Your argument is that the scene in the game is fake because the game doesn't contain that kind of content, but you can only say that the game doesn't contain that kind of content if the scene is fake. Your source is your own argument. That what makes it circular.

>and in the flashback he didn't lmao
How do you know he didn't? You didn't see him.

>Kaede, the pov character, just had her dialogue restricted from us
Yes. Temporarily. Her dialogue is revealed to the player later via the flashback.

>it doesn't make sense with what they say at the very end.
So you're saying the beginning of the flashback contradicts the ending of the flashback. That's a very different argument from saying that the prologue contradicts the flashback (and it's much weaker).

>They wouldn't be acting like that
This is called "headcanon".

"The flashback can't be real because that isn't how I think they should be acting!" It's just your assumption. You aren't the author and you didn't create these characters. How they would or would not act in these situations is not up to you to decide. If Kodaka says they wouldn't notice they were on Danganronpa until the last moment, then that is what is canon to their characters. And he did say this when he wrote it into the flashback.

>Tsumugi is not narrating Kaede's thoughts.
Yes, this is my argument, anon. Tsumugi is not narrating the flashback. Tsumugi is not the source of the flashback. Tsumugi cannot add information to the flashback. It's a flashback. Are we on the same page now?

>No, the new information provided by the flashback is after her thoughts which we've already seen.
This does not contradict what I said. You're no longer arguing with me at this point, you're just saying "NO" and then repeating something that agrees with my stance after.

Rapefag and who?
https://youtu.be/sn4xo1u-ugw?t=83

>>572783073
>Pomni - Drydick
Don't tell Chiakifag....

>>572783073
This isn't even Danganronpa

>>572784157
Is there any relation between liking Chiaki and having a clown girl fetish?

>>572783073
This is accurate af

>>572784612
samefag

>>572784157
This also hints that drydick is ftm

>>572782995
>But we see things that didn't happen as well, such as the Gofer project.
Those are fake memories created by the flashback lights. The information from those fake memories aren't true facts, but the fact that the fake memories exist and were really implanted into the minds of the characters is still true. It's not like you can say "The Gofer Project wasn't real, so Shuichi couldn't have really had memories of the Gofer Project implanted into him". That still happened, just like the events that we see in the flashback to the prologue still happened. Of course, that flashback can't be something created by the flashback lights for reasons we already covered.

>So does that mean that Tsumugi was lying about being the cosplay cat criminal? We saw that, so it can't be fake.
We saw her say it, so the fact that she said it isn't fake. Whatever you interpret those words to mean is another, unrelated matter.

>We already have evidence of software being able to emulate people from the Neo world program.
Take this to its logical conclusion though. You are arguing that Tsumugi used AI to create an Alter Ego Kaede to simulate what Kaede's thought process was during the prologue - for what purpose? So that she could tell it to Shuichi and the others? Why would she do this? To make her lie sound more believable? Shuichi doesn't know what Kaede was thinking. Even if he could read minds with magical psychic powers, he doesn't have his memories of the prologue. But even if he did know exactly what Kaede's words were, the fact that Tsumugi had to simulate them through an AI computer program doesn't add any credibility to the rest of her story because she could slap Alter Ego Kaede's words onto anything.

I don't mean to offend you personally, but half-baked theories like this are why I really lose respect for people who still cling to the Tsumugi lied theory almost a decade after the game came out.

Ever gooned to Ougoku with your life on the line

>>572783082
But I mean, the fact that he *admits* it...
It's kind of attractive.

>>572783619
>My argument is that the scene in the game exists. My source is the game
Your argument is that all scenes in the game have to be true information. My argument is that the scene (which is a narrative crafted by another character with malicious intent) contains a contradiction with another scene (that we actually see happen, so it is incorrect. This is a far more sound argument than the former.
>How do you know he didn't? You didn't see him.
How do you know Tsumugi didn't say "that was all a lie, you never audtioned" off screen? You didn't see her. We didn't see it happen in the flashback, so you can't prove it happened.
>Yes. Temporarily. Her dialogue is revealed to the player later via the flashback.
Irrelevant. What matters is that it wasn't shown immediately.
>So you're saying the beginning of the flashback contradicts the ending of the flashback. That's a very different argument from saying that the prologue contradicts the flashback (and it's much weaker).
No, the beginning of the flashback AND the prologue contradict the ending. Are you simply too retarded to understand something so simple?
>How they would or would not act in these situations is not up to you to decide. If Kodaka says they wouldn't notice they were on Danganronpa until the last moment, then that is what is canon to their characters. And he did say this when he wrote it into the flashback.
Want to know what was actually written? A character telling a story about what supposedly happened to other characters who disbelieve her afterwards, and that contradicts the unbiased information that we saw.
>Yes, this is my argument, anon. Tsumugi is not narrating the flashback. Tsumugi is not the source of the flashback. Tsumugi cannot add information to the flashback. It's a flashback
Wrong. It's a scene showed to us that Tsumugi claimed happened. Wonder where I've heard that before? The supposed flashback can pick up after what the player saw really happened, and then include false information

>>572784837
>Whatever you interpret those words to mean is another, unrelated matter.
But in a meta sense, why did the devs put that in as her last words? What was the point? Even Shuichi ponders it, it clearly meant something.
>You are arguing that Tsumugi used AI to create an Alter Ego Kaede to simulate what Kaede's thought process was during the prologue - for what purpose? So that she could tell it to Shuichi and the others?
To try to emulate Junko and THH's amnesia plotline. She was trying to instill despair into the contestants because she was "cosplaying" Junko and her modus operandi.
Keep in mind that Kaede only died early on because the game was going off the rails and Tsumugi needed to get the game going, Kaede's plan failed and Tsumugi recovered it. It is very possible that Kaede was supposed to be around for those memories to be more relevant.
>but half-baked theories like this are why I really lose respect for people who still cling to the Tsumugi lied theory almost a decade after the game came out.
I think the most likely truth is that the devs left enough pieces for the either scenario to be the true one depending if they continued the story after V3 or left it at that. I'm sure they knew that V3's end would be controversial.

>>572784837
>I don't mean to offend you personally, but half-baked theories like this are why I really lose respect for people who still cling to the Tsumugi lied theory almost a decade after the game came out.
You have zero ground to call anyone else retarded
>characters in the game: Tsumugi probably lied
>Kodaka: You think Tsumugi was telling the truth? Play the prologue again
>this retard: the game showed us a flashback with wrong information so it's true

You can believe what you want, but I think the "Tsumugi was lying" idea doesn't fit Kodaka's writing style.
He likes to do the big twist at the end and he's not subtle about it. And it's kinda the same twist as the first game. "You volunteered for this."
It would undermine the twist if it turned out they didn't really volunteer for it and something unspecified was going on.

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Gonta think penis is this tiny

>>572786701
Ahh ahh gonta finger my man hole

>>572783073
Jax kinda dry

>>572786538
She was already clearly lying about some form of Junko not being real. It just really doesn't make sense to kidnap the selected students, ideally brainwash them before they were even told it was a killing game, and then for them to act the way they did in the prologue. Also them auditioning or not doesn't really change much of the tragedy of the ending; it makes it worse if they were brainwashed against their will lmao.

>>572785876
>My argument is that the scene (which is a narrative crafted by another character with malicious intent)
Which is a headcanon to begin with, since nothing in the game actually indicates that this is a narrative crafted by one of the characters, and quite a bit indicates that this can't possibly be the case.
>contains a contradiction with another scene
Which again it doesn't.

>How do you know Tsumugi didn't say "that was all a lie, you never audtioned" off screen?
The difference is that this is something that you just made up as a hypothetical, but the flashback is actual canon content from the game. I didn't come up with the idea that Shuichi, Kaede, and Kaito had more lines in the prologue that we didn't see. The game showed this to me.

>Irrelevant. What matters is that it wasn't shown immediately.
But it was shown eventually, which means more than something that was never shown at all (all your theories)

>No, the beginning of the flashback AND the prologue contradict the ending.
Now your argument is falling apart. Your whole theory is based on the idea that Tsumugi made up the flashback, and only the player can know that she lied because the player alone can compare her flashback to the prologue. But if the flashback contradicts itself, you wouldn't need to bring the prologue into the equation at all. The theory would just start and end at the flashback. But that's not what you did, since this isn't your original argument. This is something new you came up with out of desperation since your original argument was demolished by me. And it still doesn't work. If Tsumugi's flashback contradicted itself why doesn't any character point that out? Even when the topic of doubting Tsumugi gets brought up, no character points out these supposed contradictions.

>Want to know what was actually written? A character telling a story about what supposedly happened
>Wrong. It's a scene showed to us that Tsumugi claimed happened.
You made this up though.

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>>572786762
That's NOT how gentleman acts!

>>572786941
You're pretty much admitting that you don't like the story and wish it was some other idea instead, and that's your primary motivation for doubting Tsumugi rather than it being a genuine interpretation of what you think the author intended.

why is bro talking like he from reddit

>>572786762
Holy fuck imagine being fisted by Gonta. Even two fingers would be crazy

>>572786941
>it makes it worse if they were brainwashed against their will lmao
No... because it wouldn't really be a twist then. The whole game you're thinking they're innocent victims of the killing game but then at the end it's revealed they chose to be there. That's the twist. If they didn't choose to be there, then there is no twist.
If you wanna interpret it that way, you can, but I think that's nonsensical, and inconsistent with how Kodaka writes.

>>572786156
>But in a meta sense, why did the devs put that in as her last words? What was the point?
Tsumugi is a cosplayer, she cosplays as Junko and her entire motivation as a villain is trying to play Junko's role as the mastermind of the killing game. In the end Tsumugi fails, which is exactly what happens to Junko at the end of her games. So she's saying that even though she lost, she can still take pride in her cosplay to the end. These are her last words because they are the conclusion to her character.

>To try to emulate Junko and THH's amnesia plotline.
Why would having an AI replication of Kaede thinking "K-killing game?" inside of her head during the prologue help Tsumugi achieve this goal?
>Keep in mind that Kaede only died early on because the game was going off the rails and Tsumugi needed to get the game going, Kaede's plan failed and Tsumugi recovered it.
Kaede dying as the first killer was always the intended plan because that's the foundation for Shuichi's character arc. When Kaede's plan failed, it got in the way of her becoming the first blackened, and so Tsumugi was prepared ahead of time to ensure that Kaede's first kill happened no matter what.
>It is very possible that Kaede was supposed to be around for those memories to be more relevant.
You're saying that Tsumugi was supposed to be showing this lie... to Kaede? And that somehow Tsumugi using an AI to simulate Kaede's thoughts and tell them to her (remember that Kaede has no memories of the prologue) somehow helps make Tsumugi's lie more believable to her? Seriously, you need to think about what you're saying.

>I think the most likely truth is that the devs left enough pieces for the either scenario to be the true one depending if they continued the story after V3 or left it at that.
I don't see how Tsumugi using an AI to simulate the thoughts of Kaede from the prologue helps V3 if it gets a sequel either, though.

>>572787209
>Which is a headcanon to begin with, since nothing in the game actually indicates that this is a narrative crafted by one of the characters, and quite a bit indicates that this can't possibly be the case.
Oh, nothing indicates it? Not the fact that one of the stingers is literally Shuichi specifcally calling out the audition tapes? Not the fact that Tsumugi's flashback isn't something we saw in the prologue? Not the fact that she's bringing it up to break their spirits? Not the fact that they acted very very weirdly? Not the fact that the entire theme of the game is fiction vs nonfiction/lies vs truth? You're just being full of shit.
>The difference is that this is something that you just made up as a hypothetical, but the flashback is actual canon content from the game.
It's canon in that it's something Tsumugi said happened. Doesn't mean it actually happened.
>I didn't come up with the idea that Shuichi, Kaede, and Kaito had more lines in the prologue that we didn't see. The game showed this to me.
You came up with the idea that they are true, though. The characters and narrative in-game sure seem to disagree.
>But it was shown eventually, which means more than something that was never shown at all (all your theories)
No, it doesn't. It literally means nothing.
>Now your argument is falling apart. Your whole theory is based on the idea that Tsumugi made up the flashback, and only the player can know that she lied because the player alone can compare her flashback to the prologue
You know why the CHARACTERS think she lied? Because her story is really convenient and dubious, and she lied later.

>>572786160
>characters in the game: Tsumugi probably lied
>Kodaka: You think Tsumugi was telling the truth? Play the prologue again
Neither of these are accurate by the way.

>>572787209
>But if the flashback contradicts itself, you wouldn't need to bring the prologue into the equation at all. The theory would just start and end at the flashback. But that's not what you did, since this isn't your original argument. This is something new you came up with out of desperation since your original argument was demolished by me.
Are you actually fucking retarded?
The argument was "the characters actions in the flashback contradict what we saw in the prologue." Then you 'countered' with "actually they said some of the exact same things in the prologue!" So I said "sure, the prologue and beginning of the flashback contradict the end of the flashback." You're desperately grasping at straws because your argument is full of holes and you think if the argument you can't beat slightly changes that means you somehow win. You never countered "the prologue contradicts the flashback", because that still holds true. You had me clarify because you were being purposefully obtuse. Basic debate 101 pal.
>If Tsumugi's flashback contradicted itself why doesn't any character point that out?
They never saw the flashback, dumbass? They were only told by Tsumugi that they were happy about the killing game, and the player was shown a contradictory flashback of these supposed events that goes against what we saw in the prologue. According to you, Tsumugi really does have mind reading powers and telepathy because she showed them a flashback! Dumbass.
>You made this up though.
Prove it. My proof is that the flashback contradicts what we, the player, saw. Yours is that it just happened offscreen, which you can't prove.
>>572787437
The primary motivation for doubting Tsumugi is both that the story points in that direction and common sense dictates what she said happened wouldn't actually happen actually.
>>572788018
>The whole game you're thinking they're innocent victims of the killing game
They are literally innocent victims of a killing game???

>>572788463
>They are literally innocent victims of a killing game???
They volunteered.

>>572788438
https://youtube.com/watch?v=xEIDJYMe9C8&t=291
You have to be illiterate to not get what was implied

>>572788539
The Ultimates are, quite literally, innocent victims of the killing game. They did nothing to warrant this. They did not ask to be there. They are completely new people invented to die.
If their templates volunteered or were kidnapped, it changes nothing about them.

>>572788804
>What Tsumugi showed us...
HOLY FUARK TSUMUGI REALLY DOES HAVE TELEPATHIC POWERS AND SHOWED THEM KAEDE'S THOUGHTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbrthYdSFcg
Is this what watching danganronpa ship tiktok edits feels like

>walls of text
Not reading any of this

>>572788804
>giant fucking blinking sign saying "THEY DIDN'T AUDITION FOR THIS" that's the same size as "THE DR2 STUDENTS WILL WAKE UP FROM THEIR COMAS"
>media illiterate faggots: nah they auditioned

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On topic danganronpa discussion? Well call me shocked.
>>572789258
I just know you glanced at some of it. This is peak entertainment.

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>>572788309
>You know why the CHARACTERS think she lied?
Canonically? For no logical reason whatsoever! I'm glad you asked. I'm always happy to remind you of all the things from the game that you obviously have no memory of.

>>572788463
>You never countered "the prologue contradicts the flashback", because that still holds true.
Oh I've countered it. You thought that the fact that they got kidnapped contradicts the fact that they signed up. This is countered by the flashback clearly indicating that they were kidnapped even after signing up. Then you changed your argument to say that the flashback is contradicted by the prologue because it contains dialogue the player never saw in the prologue. But this is countered by the fact that the new dialogue from the flashback is from characters speaking at a time where their actions in the prologue are unknown. Then you shifted the argument to saying that the flashback was a story that was made up by Tsumugi, which has nothing to do with the prologue at this point, and isn't based on anything from in the game.

It's like telling a lie. It starts off small but it snowballs as you have to keep making more and more lies to cover yourself up until it all comes crashing down around you. Every time your headcanon is contradicted by the game, you have to make up another one, then another one, until the end result is incoherent fanfiction.

>They never saw the flashback
I agree. This is my argument. Only the player saw the flashback, because it's a real flashback and not Tsumugi's story.

>My proof is that the flashback contradicts what we, the player, saw.
Which isn't proof since the flashback does not contradict what we saw. At best you can say that it contradicts what you imagine the characters were doing at that time - which isn't proof!

>Yours is that it just happened offscreen, which you can't prove.
I can prove it by showing you the flashback. You're the one claiming that the flashback is fake based on nothing.

>>572789336
Yeah I loved it when at the end of Danganronpa 2, Makoto said that it doesn't matter and that there's no meaning in whether or not the DR2 cast wakes up.

>>572789336
No, the "they auditioned for this" twist corresponds to the "they're all remnants of despair" twist.

Shuichi, Maki and Himiko would later be charged by Team Danganronpa for getting the lead writer murdered (unless Tsumugi completely volunteered to die)

>>572790186
It's a death game...

>>572790227
Is the mastermind considered a participant?

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>>572789965
It also corresponds to the DR1 students agreeing to be part of the HPA shelter plan, complete with literal video recordings of them being interviewed that they don't remember in the present.

>>572789401
>Canonically? For no logical reason whatsoever! I'm glad you asked.
He doesn't have any proof that it's fake, he obviously has a reason behind it. It's because it feels weird that anyone would do that.
>You thought that the fact that they got kidnapped contradicts the fact that they signed up.
It literally does? Why would anyone kidnap willing participants? You just say "well that's what happened" without using any critical thinking.
>This is countered by the flashback clearly indicating that they were kidnapped even after signing up.
The flashback with contradictory information.
>Then you changed your argument to say that the flashback is contradicted by the prologue because it contains dialogue the player never saw in the prologue.
Can you actually follow an argument at all? That was the argument from the beginning.
>But this is countered by the fact that the new dialogue from the flashback is from characters speaking at a time where their actions in the prologue are unknown.
That's not a counter. Their actions were not unknown. They said nothing, Monotaro spoke, and they got flashbacked by the Monokubs.
>Then you shifted the argument to saying that the flashback was a story that was made up by Tsumugi,
The literal purpose of the argument is to say that the flashback is a story you fucking retard.
>based on anything from in the game.
...except for the fact that the logic provided by the game doesn't line up with what she claims happened, meaning it's a story?
>I agree. This is my argument. Only the player saw the flashback, because it's a real flashback and not Tsumugi's story.
That doesn't prove anything dumbfuck. You're saying it's real because it's a flashback so it is. What stops the flashback from being a lie?
>I can prove it by showing you the flashback.
No, you can't prove that they said rhat in the prologue.
>You're the one claiming that the flashback is fake based on nothing.
...Based on the fact it contradicts the prologue.

>>572789965
Part of DR2's dilemma deals with the cast having to live with the fact that they need to face a world destroyed with their bodies, which pushes them into staying into the sim, as well as the fact that they would regain their memories as remnants. This isn't true the V3 cast at all.

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Finished mine.
>>572782790
Idk, it genuinely makes him impossible to discuss. I mean come on did Kodaka really had to make him a pedophile? Was that really a necessity?
>>572782803
How so?

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In time memories and pain
will fade and disappear they must,
but not until this mortal being
has turned to scattered dust

You cannot judge what you don't understand
take the blade from the child's hand
all the petty lies and the jealous whores
matter little and leave me bored

Repent, Remorse, Revenge

why don't you just crucify me,
nail me to a cross
and bite and scratch and make me scream
if that will get you off

You say a fall from grace would suit me well,
well you can crawl straight back to Hell,
fear not to lie, it will seem a sharper hit
nor to blaspheme it will pass for wit

nah

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>>572791330
Hmm... boys boys boys...

>>572790506
>he obviously has a reason behind it
"I don't have any logic behind that" You're the one who chose to hitch your argument to his words, so now that's your position. No logic behind you.

>Why would anyone kidnap willing participants? You just say "well that's what happened" without using any critical thinking.
Once again this validates my claim that theoryfags are just using theories as an excuse to rewrite parts of the story that they don't like.

>That was the argument from the beginning.
Wrong. It was this post about kidnapping vs signing up
>>572770031

>The flashback with contradictory information.
>Their actions were not unknown. They said nothing
>the logic provided by the game doesn't line up with what she claims happened,
This would only be true if the prologue showed them standing there silently "..." but it doesn't show them at all.

Which begs the question - if Kodaka wanted us to interpret the story your way - why didn't he just do that? Why didn't he write the prologue to have the characters say something that contradicts the flashback later? Do you ever ask these kinds of questions? Or are you afraid that if you start to doubt yourself, you'll realize you were wrong?

Why would Kodaka even include the flashback at all? If the plot was supposed to be that Tsumugi tells a lie that only the player can recognize, why not just have it be some totally made up bullshit like Kaede comes to the school in a limo in front of a huge crowd cheering for her? Why would Kodaka make it so that Tsumugi's "lie" is conveniently exactly the same as the real prologue that the player saw with the exception of three lines that show us reactions from characters who conveniently didn't have their reactions shown in the prologue? Doesn't that bother you even just a little?

>What stops the flashback from being a lie?
The simple fact that if the flashback was a lie, the story would tell you. It wouldn't need to be a reddit theory. It would just be the game.

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>>572791956
Ugh how cute... Thank you... Fujos here should play rain code so they can experience makoyomi at the very least

>>572789401
>>You know why the CHARACTERS think she lied?
>Canonically? For no logical reason whatsoever! I'm glad you asked. I'm always happy to remind you of all the things from the game that you obviously have no memory of.
Kek, good elaborate troll

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v3 is about the cyclical nature of things so of course shuichi larps that they didnt audition to sever the cast from the tragic mythos which makes sense if you read nietzsche's words on the connection between tragic mythos and the dionysian.

the joke is that shuichi is full of shit

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I found another decent one

>>572792758
Nietzschefag...

Me seeing Nagito’s body discovery
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aRiPVYnCLFU&ra=m

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Chunko

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>>572792973
not my fault kodaka read him and is just rehashing all his shi

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>>572793118
cool pic

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Rain code

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I'm done with mine.

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>>572789387
Kill yourself
>>572794463
<3

>>572794463
>belgian and kaedecuck is sfbf
I can see clearly now the rain is gone

>>572794979
I like Tenko. Does that mean I'm Tenkohater?

>>572795068
Kaedekek...

>>572794463
Yeah man Taichi Fujisaki is really better than Nagito fucking Komaeda.

>>572794979
No
>>572795234
Nagito can lick my balls

>>572795323
You put Kyoko, Byakuya, Hajime, Chiaki, Kaito, Kokichi, Nagito, even the actual Nekomaru under MECHAMARU? This is a shitpost

>>572795234
>I hate all characters that are more popular than my favorite character
Using logic against her is useless.

>>572795435
No the format for placing them is fucking terrible is the problem.

>>572795489
At that point you're just better off ranking them manually

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>jestermaxxing this hard for one reply from an insufferable foid

>>572795030
I love her cleavage.

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>>572795478
Reassigning my bf she/her pronouns...
Well, alright

>>572795657
Says insufferable moid

>>572794601
Missed >>572777505

6/29
Never forget

>>572796202
Huh?

>>572796202
important incident for people playing the /drg/ period tracker game at home

>>572796202
Souda's birthday of doom

>>572796202
We should make a collage again.

>>572796216
Forced drama

>>572796293
i think botfag would make a /drg/ period tracker for the femanons

>>572796410
>we

There's so many anime and games I constantly see art of, yet I never see anyone actually have discussions about them, like THL.

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We mvst retvrn to tier lists

>>572797404
>nagito
>F
based

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>"PLEASE MAKE THE GOAL OFF SIDES. I'LL DO ANYTHING! I'LL FUCKING SUCK YOUR DICK! YOU WANT ME TO EAT YOUR SHIT? I'LL EAT YOUR FUCKING SHIT"
Dangans for this feel?

I liked the art style of closing arguments in 1+2, looked like a nickelodeon show or something. V3's art style is alright ig.

>>572798898
>bitch you ain't invited to the function, you kill kids

Holy fuck my penis smells absolutely RANCID
my fingers are slightly damp after I scratched it...
Dangans for this feel

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>>572799673
Him and I just know it smells great, eye-rolling levels of great

>>572799673
Nagito

>>572799120
Implying Togami also didn't kill employees by denying health care

>>572799673
Nekomaru Nidai