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redpill me on the shock maul
What is the point of veteran these days
>>573250103Gold toughness shouts I guess
>>573250103piss toughness and smkes/kraks
>>573250103smoke nades
>>573250081it good (for being debuff bitch)
>>573250081can deal with anything, great stagger, insta stun on demand, impact + skullcrusher is a no brainer and hyperbuffs damage on enemies, good for you, good for the theam
Took me few seconds to realize.Nice, I thought they only had weapons for collab
>>573250593unyielding damage is quite ass though
What are your guys thoughts on the Crowbar? It seems a bit underwhelming but I haven't had a chance to really test its limits on something like Auric yet. It feels a little underwhelming whacking stuff in the test chamber.I wanna pick a nice weapon to compliment the RIP AND TEAR ability. I'm already using Scummer's other unique weapons on its other builds (Max Payne and Fentomancer) so autism logic decrees that this last one would be Crowbar + Dual Autopistols.But if it's really unsalvagable I guess i could do something like the combat axe and try to take advantage of all the cleave boosts. Or Chain Axe?
>decide to quickplay some chill heresy expeditions to get done with a few stupid penances>load into a situation that is decidedly not chill as they have completely ran down the rad timer in the first scavenge zone, two of them are dead and we're being pursued by a gigantic mixed horde of ragers, crushers and bulwarks>other guy goes from full health to full corruption in a few seconds from the rads and dies>I am completely fine because skitarii with ablative wards>eventually run over to the sanctuary and chordclaw everything to death as I wait for the door to openThe shit players get into in these low difficulties is crazy.
>>573250808It's great in auric, just make sure you max out attack speed.
>>573250305>>573250309Do smokes benefit at all from the talent that can throw an extra grenade for free
>>573250758I am reading Dan Abnetts "Hive City" right now (his totally not darktide book he wrote)>For my fellow warband rejects from another hive City - Michael Knight, Matthew Ward, Anton Aleksandrov, Mary Rönnberg and Marten Stormdal.not far in, wonder if I'll catch some references to darktide
>>573250808Combat axe has brutal momentum, it doesn't need cleave boostsCrowbar sucks but rampage will carry you through aurics with any weaponMost people use shivs or tacaxe, I prefer bone saw.
>>573250391>>573250593is building for crit worth it or nah
>>573250758>vet>absolute beast in close-quarters combatWhich is funny because the vet is one of the weakest classes in close combat now.
>>573251018do you hate free damage and free toughness?
>>573251065vet requires specialization but it can be built for melee and he will be on par with skitarii
>>573250985>>573250894Oh that's right, tacaxe is a thing.*tok tok tok tok tok*I guess I'll give that and Crowbar a shot. Shivs and Saw are already being used on my other builds.
>>573251065all darktide combat is close quarters combat compared to the typical imperial guard strategy of being in a hole in the ground 200 yards away from the enemy and firing a wall of lasfire at everything
>>573251018since the weapon itself doesnt come with crit stuff, if you're class can provide and you profit from crits ye, crit + finesse isnt the best on it, just doubles the damage on weakspot + crit, but can check that out yourself by looking at the damage values under attacks
I got a 60% mobility bolt pistol on my hive scum. How do I make this work?
>>573250932extra smoke nade :^)but no
>>573251817you make a melee build and use the bolt peestol to kill enemy specialists
>>573251817lethal proximity applies to boombringer and booby trap, though i've never tested how good it ispuncture doesn't work with blackout nades, so that's pretty lame
How do I use Thunder Hammer?
>>573252412>max out back hit damage>turn invisible>hit things hard
>>573252412you put thrust and unyielding on it and take it to Maelstrom I-II to bonk monstrosities because that's the only purpose it serves
Chainaxe any good? Eviscerator was kinda dissapointing and Chainsword is best not mentioned.
>>573252564yes
>>573252613Thank god. Love me some engine noise. Wish they were 2handed tho.
>>573252564Mobility is too low with no upsides. It's like mechanicus power sword but for vanilla classes.
>>573252564the mark with the m1 strikedown single target shreds single targets (lel), heavy for horde clear is slow, really bad mobility, the gutting of enemies can also yank your cam around quite often, it shits out damage but the downsides are ruff, totally fine in aurics though, gotta learn when to commit
>>573252486I thought it was good with martyrdom + charge
>>573253187Lol. Lmao even.Relic Blade (and Eviscerator maybe) are used that way. Thunder Hammer has just been powercrept and its clunky garbage. Even the stealth meme boss killer build is served better by taking Relic Blade.
>>573253359>powercreptI don't recall there ever being a time where it was good. It was always that shitty weapon you picked because it sounds cool and it's iconic.
literally what is the plan when using the any chain weapon's special attack? same goes with the shock maul especially when against a pack of maulers or crushers, the special attack does good damage against single carapace enemies, but against a group? it feels like a suicide missionwhen you're chaining them down you're stuck and can't dodge as effectively when latched to an enemy
>>573253359Why is Relic Blade the best with martyrdom?
>>573253490Ironhelm when you could energized sweep entire mixed hordes was okay.
When the FUARK is the next class code name being datamined!?
>>573253653Slow attack speed with high initial damage gets a big damage boost and some attack speed.
Is there still zero point to using the power maul? Haven't played in a while.
>>573253637You can dodge out of the rev attack if u need to. Press F after connecting with a crusher to one-shot it. This also staggers all enemies nearby which makes it safe to do even if there are 10 other maulers or crushers nearby. When there's no F ready you play a little bit more carefully by either meleeing non-committing heavy attacks into the mixed horde or by revving to death enemies that get separated from the group.
>>573253790it's one of ogryn's strongest weapons
>>573254051Huh. I remember it being denied ass one of the worst back when I last played. Did they change the shockwave doing zero damage?
>>573254260yes they did exactly that. The special attack can one tap crushers now. Added a short cooldown to it so u can't spam it
>>573250549she's pretty
>>573254260also there's easy access to a single target combo with Light -> Light -> Heavy
>come back to the game after a while to see cogboys in action>playing vet >crusher train rolls out of a corridor>prep Kraks>toss one>skitarii runs into the crushers and mows them down like poxwalkers>krak explodesaight
how did they fuck up expeditions this bad, good god the expedition map type with no time limit is better at this point
>>573254506they got clawed
>>573254260>denied assdecried as*
>>573254506Skitarii have a skill called Chord Claw that they can stack 5 ofDepending on the modfiers they took for it the skill hits 180 degrees, pulls the skitarius forward and obliterates most kind of enemies
>>573254506>The Omnissiah commends your service
UP IN DA CLUB!
>auric>be skittle>3 freshie nooblets>as in, so fresh one of them got the fucking bulwarks 1 penance>have picrel>plus Resurgence aura>the nooblets are now toughness batteries (for me)>my mere existence provides them more toughness regen than their non-builds could ever possibly supply>when they're nearby, they're almost immune to shooters lol>when they stray away, they instantly eat shit>except for the psyker, who blew himself up 3 times >it's okay I green stimmed him>they're noobs but they're attentive and fast enough to keep up, nice>actually reasonably smooth run because they were just new, not braindead>still outnoosy the second highest scoring player lolI wish I could get more new players that aren't completely braindead.
>>573254506skitty got claws
>>573250932Not really.You do get an extra smoke grenade thrown out at a varying degree to cover a wider field and get a bigger smoke aoe, but that requires you to both trigger the additional grenade proc, AND throw it very far away so that the extra degrees can spread out, IE something you very very very rarely ever want to do since smoke is best applied either where you are, or in front of you at a moderate distance where you intend to fight or push into, so you will never actually make use of it.
>>573250808I use it with a Desperado build to drop 40% brittleness on a Crusher with 2 claw lights before magdumping him
>>573256390And even when you do make use of it, the extra coverage is extremely minimal (like maybe two dodges worth of space at most.)Just save the point and use it for something else, vet is pretty strapped for points as is so being able to skip it is nice.
True Grit?More like True Shit!
>>573256839WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YO U BEENI'VE MISED YOU SO MUCH
>havoc forged psyker with the cool frame and insignia>Well I guess I'll accept him he must be good>dies 5 times in havoc 25 dark communion as recon las psykerI have concluded I must simply be better than literally everyone at this game and every time I lose it's because of retards. At least we won, the other two were fine.
Is Eviscerator better for crit or martyrdom?
>>573257675>havoc forged>"I was corpse dragged through h40 (I'm too heavy to carry to True Survivor)", the title
I just started playing an ogryn and it feels like I melt whenever I have to deal with the big open areas if even a few gun guys pop up unless I have a big blob of chaff to mow through to restore my toughnessShould I just be sweeping them with my guns to suppress them?
so do I just build these like I would the normal combat blades or are they any different?
>>573257756Good for both, but does a little more for the crit side. Eviscerator with Shred smooths out the crit buff application and doesn't need to wait for piety to kick in first. You could mix the two, take 1-2 crit talents alongside Martyrdom if you can find the points to dip over.
>>573258038Big open spaces full of trash shooters are the bane of any new ogryn player.You need to sprint and slide more. You should be spending more time dragging your ass on the floor like a dog with worms, than actually walking.Put gunner resist on your curios so you can at least shrug off elites.Your usual source of toughness involves hitting enemies. You do not want to have any downtime. Mulch some heretics to leech.Top rightmost node has braced toughness regen, and the number is frankly retardedly big. Take it, brace occasionally JUST for toughness, you don't need to shoot. Careful not to empty your gun so your big retard doesn't force a reload, denying you the brace toughness lol.This is bad advice, but a possible crutch if all else fails: Consider 3x coherency toughness regen on your curios, and maybe the node in the top left. It is useful for exactly the situation that new players struggle with: Finding melee enemies to mulch while surrounded by trash out in the open. Yes, it turns off if you're in melee. That's where you want to be and no longer need it, so I don't see the problem. Just consider that you will want to wean yourself off this ASAP because it does not make for an actually effective build.Shooting your gun for suppression is usually too tedious, too time consuming, and just not worth the ammo.
>>573257675Random shitters can get carried once through havoc 40 in 2 years, that's why this title is looked down uponBut even players with actual havoc 40 assignment eat shit in havoc 25, because they only apply to low rank assignments to- troll- play shit meme build- it's a kid playing on older brother's accountYou will be surprised how much actual trolls come to trenches to grief games. It's safer to not accept faggots whose assignment is higher than whatever mission you host, even if they don't have ill intentions, they still- have no motivation to win- choose to apply to your game because they're afraid of deranking, meaning they don't believe they can win (unless their assignment is 40, but it's still 75% chance it will be a troll or some overconfident retard throwing a game with meme build)
>>573258716he was recon las psyker with bubble shield so I can only assume he was experimenting with a build.
>>573258716>this entire postkek I didn't know the trenches were that dire
Any skitt build you would recommend anons?
>>573258840It's easier to carry 3 shitters than have a faggot that runs off, dies and leaves, aggroing the entire map and ending the run early.It's better if your deadweights have at least level 21 clear, but you have to works with what you get (and havoc forged are the worst you can get)
>>573258840NTA but I've said it plenty of times, havoc 24-29 pugs is easily the hardest content the game has to offer because pugs in that trench bracket still haven't learned it's not meant to be played like auric and scatter like cats. And arguably some of the most fun as a result 50% of the time.
>>573259237>it's not meant to be played like auric and scatter like catsThe most retarded part about this is that the game is never at all intended to be played like that in the first place, there are several powerful mechanics in place to encourage you to stick together no matter the difficulty. The game even has built-in mechanics for punishing a player who strays away by spawning disablers.Most times that I see retards die are because they lag behind for 2 rooms farming spawn doors or checking the singular yellow box on the opposite corner of the room for 20 plasteel.
>>573258716Oh is that why I got denied playing Havoc 10 the other day despite being at Havoc 29I just haven't played enough Havoc to get that hat
>>573258840I'm not good enough to carry these people through the 20's havocs I can't fucking climb!
How do I actually play Arbiter without letting myself lean on crutches too hard?
>>573258124They're knives with better hordeclear that get Blades of Faith for free as their special (replenished on elite/special kills or backstab kills), where you can toss them to inflict toxin. In return, their blessings are slightly worse than the knife, but that's negligible.They are one of the preferred choices for a Rampage build, but they're still decent in other builds.
>>573259568I don't know why players even host assignments lower than 16 which you get for clearing maelstrom10 is too low for anyone to care about this shit, must be autism
>>573259635It's the entire point of the class lol.Feel free to take all the important damage talents + cooldown BTL + Forceful to Arbites Vigilant though, run a pure melee DPS blender build. I suggest you keep your dog because you'll want to generate Forceful stacks quick, and it does that.
>>573256839rats are fat
>>573259635the game is going to throw bullshit at youwhy would you not use the tools given to gain every edge needed?
>>573259431Sadly the game has powercrept the player to rather absurd extremes, and the lower skilled community of this game weirdly loves to parrot retarded jewtubers who do retarded things. The 2022 "knife meta, outrun da spawnz" meme from the more autistic jewtubers never truly left.
>>573260517Because I dont want to get used to the class saving me from thinking about things only to get into havoc and realize I never understood the class's fundamentals
>>573260758Arbitrator doesn't belong in havoc anyway
>>573260725>Sadly the game has powercrept the player to rather absurd extremes,Well that, and (the good) players have overall become a lot better and use much stronger builds because knowledge has disseminated more. Most of that knowledge is still retarded and outdated as you said, with retards following a meta from several years ago, but the good players are much better now.Also, on a community-meta level, the best auric build playing with auricshitters who need carrying, is completely self-sufficient and assumes never being in coherency, thus takes an abundance of toughness generation to still be fine. Tards shaped that meta around themselves by being unreliable and useless. Same for shit like not bringing a flamer on zealot because snipers need shooting (but nobody else ever does), or explicitly bringing a gun that can take out bursters good (because pushing them is a crapshoot that might get you cliffed by pubshitters).
>>573259635Master every other class first
>>573260927Why not?
>>573260927True but you'll trigger the resident arbitard who thinks Nuncio is bad or that shock mines are somehow necessary LMAO
>>573261016Because it doesn't bring anything useful and competes for the slot with an ogryn who is actually important
god auric maelstrom suck balls; how the fuck am i getting anywhere when the team's always dead or dying
>>573261119What does Ogryn do better on havoc than Arbiter? I am familiar with the concept gunlugger Ogryn but that seems distinct from Arbiter.
>>573261131Idk kill shit and move at your own pace. They are regular enemies with no hit mass or HP increase.Never rush to rescue pubbies.
>>573261131You either hold your retards' hands to the best of your ability and have a 40-50 minute mission slow crawling through the map while your shitters check every corner for 20 plasteel and die several times lagging behind farming a spawn doorORYou git gud enough to pick up the slack of 3 sub-bot deadweights and make a completely self-sufficient build that solves literally every problem without weaknesses.
>>573261250those builds dont exist
>>573261358Yes they do, you are just too new to realize this.
>>573261245i tend to get overwhelmed; lots of snipers and disabler specials make it hard even stay in placei need to git gud but it's be nice to not have pubs i have to rescue 7 times in a row
>>573261219>Last time I played folks were dogging on Ogryn and saying Arbites was always the better take.>Now Ogryn somehow has a dummy thicc support set and his melee and gun builds actually kill things well.>Super high skill cieling because he's still very fat.Yeah I don't know but I think he has a way to grant like 80% damage or something? I just got back to the game myself.
>>573261250they didn't even grab plasteel but by gods they don't target specials i use the scoreboard to get a general idea of who does what and they were pure garbage; they took 2 to 3k of damage where i wiped at 700
>>573261219Because Ogryn has taunt with very high uptime, and it actually lets veteran and psyker do their jobs. Also it's expected of Ogryn to bring skullcrusher. And you can also stagger hordes and throw them around with your fat ass when dodging.Arbites only have stagger and like all DLC classes their tree is tailored for keeping the DLC plater alive and doesn't provide anything for the team.Arbites is more tanky than Ogryn but contributes nothing.Arbites competes with Ogryn because other 3 slots are reserved for a veteran, psyker and zealot/scum. Sometimes scum can replace psyker or ogryn because he does that much damage. But arbitrator isn't remotely as useful as scum.
>>573261219taunt ogryn with paul shits on anything arbi could bring to havoc
>>573261219>>573261016Real answer: Arbitrator's biggest semi-unique strength is an abundance of stagger sources while being a very well-rounded class with no distinct weaknesses and good damage and support in every situation. The problem is that you're no specialist, and a team of multiple specialists is better.It's possible to specialize in melee damage output, but scum does it a lot better. Your only advantage is being tanky.It's possible to specialize in stagger spam with BTL and even LW shock mines, which you are good at, but other classes do just as well. Your only advantage over other classes is being well-rounded and having ammo efficient special sniping that ogryn and zealot don't usually do.It's possible to specialize in support with Nuncio and even shock maul or crusher if you're so inclined, but zealot supports better with the crusher, and the weapon's innate damage is pretty weak so going a damage build isn't worth it either.Arbitrator is still a powerful class and "fine" to bring into havoc, but your biggest strength of turning the difficulty down to journalist mode doesn't work here anymore, so the actually truly effective builds tend to look quite different, and still perform slightly worse than other optimized teams.That one arbitard will vehemently disagree with me btw and probably insist that arbitrator replaced ogryn and that chastity stance is awesome and other retardbabble. A team of the original 4 classes massively outperforms most alternatives, and alternatives just tend to include scum in various constellations. Arbites and skitarii aren't even in my considerations if I'm trying to optimize.
Why did Mister E. delete his youtube channel?
>>573261250I don't see that many retards in maelstroms. I often do much more damage in auric quickplay because in maelstrom my teammates kill shit before I can take aim.
>>573261701>I use cheats that are scripted scripted to show me doing better than groupYeah...
>>573261864>I don't see that many retards in maelstroms.Daytime EU maelstroms are currently saturated with noob tards that haven't even won a single maelstrom yet (else their havoc rank would show 17 or whatever it places you at). I keep getting so many fresh nooblets, I've stopped playing maelstroms solo. It's just single player every time.
>>573261550To be fair arbites received some nerfs, direct and indirect. Elites got like 50% HP increase on average when they reworked trees of old classes. Arbites was hit harder because his tree is selfish, and he went from melee powerhouse to kinda average melee fighter on a level of a melee vet or zealot.Ogryn has team buffs so he stayed relevant.
>>573261550>>573262086Ogryn has been near the tippy top of niche havoc performance throughout all of havoc's existence by virtue of rumbler being busted. A recent-ish buff gave ogryn lingering damage reduction after a dodge, which indirectly means that you can dodge into bursters and just shrug them, it's hilarious. I think that buff is extremely underrated and very powerful, but all it did was put taunt/brittleness support ogryns more into the forefront, as they were pretty sad to play before.The 2 recent PBB buffs made rumbler downright retarded, and ogryn the strongest class in havoc to actually build a team around.
>Robutt or Psyker-chan?
>>573262338I agree but I played my first havoc game on Ogryn last weekend and I'm not sure I want to swap taunt out yet.I never played Ogryn in havoc before and it's ridiculous how easy it is and how much you can influence the pacing because little 'uns follow you like minions.
>>573262589Consider that a pure rumbler build (no melee cope nodes, no concessions, just raw ranged damage) not only staggers any enemy that isn't wearing LGBT colors, but also probably just outright kills all the rainbow faggots between brittleness spam and setting everything on fire with max stacks in like 3 shots. Then you can pull out your paul and do a special attack and spread Skullcrusher and everything melts.Even rumbler boss damage is downright retarded.You just want your pet vet to supply ammo, and a pet chorus zealot to function as the actual frontline because rumbler isn't that. And, oh look, psyker fits perfectly in the 4th slot.
>>573261871you mong i use a script to show me actual numbers and not fatshart's usual handwaving stuff
>>573262861So, what? Do Ogryns just run PBB or Taunt and go Lucky Bullet now?
>>573262861Yeah, I'm using paul on my taunt ogryn anyway so I thought about it, since special is affected by explosion radius and burn.I was even thinking about pbb build with FNP instead of lucky bullet, lol
>>573261871Pure cope, the shitter revealed himself unprompted
>>573263336>Do OgrynsI see all kinds of builds. The most successful once I've seen were a weird hybrid grenade gauntlet build (brittleness blessing, right side of the tree for burn, but taunt and center keystone, standard melee otherwise) and raw ranged PBB rumbler spam.By that metric, PBB GG spam is also very strong, but likely less good.Pure melee ogryns that bring a meme ranged option also exist, but those are usually the bad ones. To identify a good one, look for brittleness on a pickaxe, or the push brittleness blessing with shield. Those are usually knowers, and will carry you.>>573263434The explosion radius on paul is only good for spreading Skullcrusher, and the burn is useless dogshit on its own unless you're using it to upkeep stacks already generated by your gun. It only has synergy with actual explosive builds.I can't recommend PBB with FNP tho, there isn't much point, you don't need damage resist when you're DPSing everything dead before they can hit you.
>>573261871Weird, mine usually show me doing worse
>>573263595>onceones, typo>or the push brittleness blessingTalent, my bad.I forgot to mention that most ogryns are generic melee builds, and you would do yourself a favor to decline most of them like you should bubblecuck psykers and vets that actually show the plasma build upon applying, because they're meta slaving shitters usually. Look for individual signs of a good build, or of a good player. If you see a meme build that you don't understand, hit accept, you might learn something.
>>573253490I am still livid that the thunder hammers never have been as good as the ratclick great hammer
How bad am I griefing myself and my team if I bring the big rock as ogryn? I have a lot of fun using it to delete specials
>>573264210It's insane how absolutely fucking hot garbage the thunder hammer is compared to any of the 1handed hammers.
>>573263595>The explosion radius on paul is only good for spreading SkullcrusherInfinite cleave is infinite cleaveThe bigger radius the better
>>573263595>you don't need damage resist when you're DPSing everything dead before they can hit youWas thinking more about nodes that lead up to it, FNP is lower investment than BLO
>>573264210>BIG FUCK OFF HAMMER>with a big single target strikedown>does the least amount of strikedown target damage in the entire game, less than the fucking devil claw, incapable of onetapping scab heads 90% of the time. It's a special type of dire.
>>573264938Not at all, you only really need grenade for rituals. It has terrible economy, with 1 grenade per resupply. Rock is better in my book.
>>573264938All ogryn blitzes are viable and good. Box becomes good with the burn talent. Rock is even preferable in auric because it instagibs mutants, and a singular inopportune mutant can down you which often means GG because your shitters won't help.>>573265271Not really? Yes you always path directly above FNP because you'd be retarded to skip No Hurting Friends! but you'd also be retarded to not path BLO like picrel because all of those are incredible on rumbler. I still recommend taking top left and bottom right BLO nodes, but those are technically optional.
>>573264938Not at all, I honestly think rock is one of the stronger options because it's hard coded to oneshot muties no matter what. No matter the difficulty, mutants are unironically one of the most dangerous special in the entire game with the ability to just outright end the run if you're caught in a bad position or get unlucky. I love having the ability to, or someone on my team to instantly delete them on sight.
>>573265327I remember the empowered sweeping attacks being so fucking pathetic compared to the ratclick hammer just casually making mixed hordes its bitch.
>>573264210I will never not be mad about that.>2H Hammer in Ratclick.>Amazing single target damage just by mashing lights, good for bosses and CW unless you're WP in which case you have a semi-weird combo for that.>Heavies aren't great but they do stagger most things and sweep.>Endpoint is you take it as your main source of DPS on GK, Slayer, or WP with a safety tool main weapon and have a great time.>THammer in Darktide.>Struggles hitting anything hard with lights.>Sweeps lose to Crusher both for cleave and DPS.>Only niche is a dumb Thrust boss one shot setup that loses effectiveness solely at the high havocs.Genuinely think that they just forgot about it.
clean hive scummer looks even weirder than a full joker hive scummer
Explain this shit to me. Why do so many scums take Channeled Devastation and not take Tertium Welcome? No bs +15% melee damage seems a tiny bit better than conditional +15% melee damage. I understand that the majority are copying mr e build but I've seen other builds also path into Channeled Devastation.
>>573265989Shitless Hive Scum or Paywalled actually dressed Hive Scum?
So as veteran is my job just providing the ammo aura, smoking, and occasionally shouting to get people back up?
>>573266307you should be constantly shouting to give everyone yellow toughness, specifically in any situation where it seems like anyone might take damage
>>573266104>Why do so many retards not do the obviously good thing?Either the obviously good thing is bugged and doesn't work right (you can check kuli's guides if you can't navigate the source code to verify), or they're retarded. Pick your poison.Probably the latter in this case, Idk I don't play scum.
>take devil claw>stuck dueling scab vanguards for upwards a minuteThese fucking things need to go, how the fuck are they resistant to bolter rounds?
>>573266307>So as veteran is my job justYour single most important job is staying alive, followed by shooting trappers, snipers, bombers, flamers, and various gunners, usually in that order.And then all the other shit.
>>573266735The game is noticeably less enjoyable when vanguards are present.Leave it to fatshark to introduce an enemy that makes the game worse after years without it.
>>573267007We are being punished for shunning expeditions I fear
>>573267007"the player never knows what they want" - retarded swede
>>573265985Don't forget the superior attack animation in Vermintide 2
>>573267007>you will bash their shields forever>you will be happy
I hate havoc derankI hate being forced to play every week to avoid my rank going downI hate that my rank goes down to 30 every few months anyway and forces me to try and grind back upJust let me play a havoc 40 when I feel like it. If I was a man of lesser morals I would join low havocs and throw on purpose to end the game faster to avoid the derank punishment every week but I'm too nice to do that.
>>573265989>Your Florida neighbor during the summer
>>573261358A competent psyker or scum can solo damn near any situation just because they have access to sky-high mobility, DoT effects that do more than just tickle armored elites, and infinite ammo. Only some havoc modifier are a big headache.
>>573266104I'm not familiar with scum. What kind of crit rates do they normally have and how much does it fluctuate? If they can stack themselves to 30+% then that's not conditional damage. That's just constant extra damage to everything and not the first target.
>>573267937You need to actually complete the game to avoid the derrank, doesn't matter what rank but it needs to be a victory at the bare minimum
>>573267937It's WoW raiding culture trying to make it like a second job you have to pass a fucking INTERVIEW just to doMaelstrom is all I need, easy enough you can carry 3 shitters but hard enough i still struggle to do so.
>>573267937Simply abandon Havoc.
>>573268107>doesn't matter what rank but it needs to be a victory at the bare minimumNo, I spent the entire last season doing one game a week and many of those weeks were a single loss and I didn't derank from those. The one time I did it was when I Alt F4 early because it was a clear loss and the game deranked me. If you stay after a loss until you're back in the mourningstar you won't derank
>>573267937>If I was a man of lesser morals I would join low havocs and throw on purpose to end the game faster to avoid the derank punishment every weekWait does that actually work?
I know it would just get abused by the usual meta gaming crowd but I'd really like some sort of grace system if someone abandons.Just had some absolute cunt ruin a havoc by leaving midway through after running off in a different direction and dying.
>lvl 100 joins auric>yay i'm not the last ogryn player >taunt/shieldgryn very standard, could probably use something else but shield is fine ig >facetanks every ounce of damage and every special>goes down three times in the first room>ignores the first medicai when he's the only one hurt>boss spawns >he sits in the corner with his shield special up like it's 2023 all over againhow do players like that even achieve level 100 on a character, he can't be having fun surely.
>imagine playing havoclel
>>573268718>John Dadman comes home after his 9-5>wife screeching, kids fuming>finally sit down to play some games>it's 11 so he will get 1-2 games in before bed>picks his ogryn, cracks open a cold one and goes toonking to forget about his failed existencemany such cases
Remember the take the survey in the Darktide character select.
This one hates seeing the blight spreads every single havoc mission
>>573269836I did. Vanguards 8/10. Expeditions 1/10.
>>573270953vanguards cool in concept but the fact that maulers die faster in melee is embarrassing
Do any ogryn melee weapons obliterate void shields as quickly as shock or chain weapons?
>>573271367yeah, they need to be something more visually than just some guy with a shield
>get my 5 auric maelstroms in a row with zero issues just playing the game >as soon as i have the title just start eating shit on every run, struggling to keep up with the teamwhat causes this
>>573271387melee, no. Ogryn's best tools for it are ripper or twin-linked stubber
>>573270567>silo cluster blight spreads garden>demote>silo cluster blight spreads garden and infernowow
>>573271387speaking of, what do I do as psyker against void shields if I'm not melee psyker? Just bring the blaze sword anyway?
>got ogryn mogged
is the autoaim now useable, what do you use for the galvanic
the rejects could beat a grey knight I feel
Darktide?More like DORKtide!
>>573250019Indian humor
>>573272990Deimos' light1-blockcancel spam does well enough
>>573269836>implying sven will caresomething something our audience does'nt know what they want
>Be level 45 Skitarri>Get invited to a team by one level 1 vet>Sure, why not>We get into a lobby with a bunch of other level 1s>The guy who invited me leaves>Casually walk through the mission helping here and there to rack up points on the shield penanceWhat an odd fellow
>>573250845Neat image>>573250984>>573259574lol
>>573271387Power maul light attacks. It's not as fast as the shockmaul taser or chain weapon but it is the best one ogryn has for busting void shields.And yes, like the other anon said, ripper gun mag dumping surprisingly, does a lot of damage against void shields, like you can almost destroy the whole shield in 1 magazine. But I wouldn't bring them to havoc, rumbler and GG are just more useful over all even if they are against void shields.
why put two enemy distinctions in your game where one is just the other but better?
>>573274903>>our audience doesn't know what they want>clearly select, I want:>new enemies>new missions>new weaponsI get that the lead director has his head up his own ass, but this VERY clear about what I want.
>>573275238those things require w*rk
>>573265989I guess some of them are semi respectable after all>>573268035Are they both still glass cannons?
>>573272990If you're psyker then you're gonna just want to focus on killing the chaff around the boss so your dudes can gang up on him harder undisturbedBut if he is all alone, the normal blaze sword does work really well. both light attack cancel autism if you have the patience for vermintide mousewheel autism. or use a macro.The special attack also does do a decent bit of damage to the shield similar to the eviscerators do, but not as well.
I keep trying to shoot my hive scum teammate cause theyre shirtless
>>573275238We all do, here's hoping for the best but... eh.
>>573268348Finally, a pic that shows the unending peace achieved via life in death from Nurgle’s blessings
>>573275154They did this shit purely because to try hide the fact that this game has fuck all enemy variety.We are literally just fighting 1 faction. Dregs and Scabs aren't separate factions, they are just the same thing and function the same.Hell, if the GSC faction ever gets made, it's just going to be reskinned version of Scabs/Dregs.
>>573274659Just going by the stats of the shit they kill regularly they could beat pretty much at least one of anything from anyone short of titans.
>>573275380We need friendly fire modifier
>>573275330Psyker is ungodly tanky now compared to what he used to be ever since his last tree rework. 3x health curios let you facetank some rather retarded mistakes that would outright murk the other classes short of zealot or ogryn. Scum is still a glasscannon, it's admittedly really hard to get hit since you live in perpetual i-frames with infinite stamina recovery, but eating a hit will hurt more than anyone else.
>>573268998>failed existencea little harsh don’t ya think
>>573274749
>>573275380>it's a "The Swedes ignored the "character design 101" lesson that explains how it is important for characters to be instantly recognizable by silhouette alone" episode Tiresome.
>>573275154Dregs have got...slightly more resistance to suppression and their basic ranged pool only has stalkers, not diluted with riflemen. Ya, take that scabs.
>noble class, who's out there just for the thrill of hunting heretics would be fun just for dialogues alone>veteran covers both fencing, and sniper(hunting) weapons
>try the arbites crusher or whatever the 2hander is>RAAAAHHH AAAAAHHH AAAAAHLoudass yells for every move nigga wtf
>>573266735Every weapon with shitty flak damage is just badDevils claw and infantry lasgun are what come to mind first
Pretty sure the answer is fatshark is lazy, but with the new weapon leaks/datamine, why haven't we already had more VT2 weapons ported over? It's the same engine so they should be able to easily copy over the animations and attack patterns making it a lot less work than creating something completely new
>>573275524I don't get some of the design decisions of certain enemy variants in this game.Why no dreg maulers? Why no dreg stalkers? Why affiliate certain specialists or elites with dregs or scabs if they only have a dreg or scab variant?Were the ogryns attached to the moebian 6th or did the dregs drag them in? Crushers look like they're wearing scab armor so why aren't they scab crushers?
>>573266735I just don't kill themShieldnigger is left alive? Don't care, leaving
>>573277112>the new weapon leaks/datamineNothingburger, a lot of those are ancient, and being in places that are actively worked on implies nothing. All the retards hyping it are just click farming and don't work in game dev.
>>573277112A lot of the vermintide weapon animations look outdated compared to darktide and if you have to touch them up you night as well make them from scratch
>>573277112probably a "break in case of boss is looking at our direction"
I missed why the moebian twenty first are here and fighting us.
what the fuck is the horde clear combo on the arc maul?feels like every combination has a strikedown in the middle
>>573277539Some of them got supplied with a shipment of tainted stimms and were infected as a result. It was an old special event.
>>573277539They were deployed to a shitty planet where a plague starts killing everyone, mostly abandoned and fall to nurgle. This was most likely set up by the cult of admonition on Mobius to then take the whole planet upon their return.
>>573278024That's the Moebian 6th. The 21st are still mostly on our side.
>>573277850light1 chains into heavy3-heavy4-alternating. if you want pure heavy relentless attacks.
>>573275353yeah I just normally blaze around the boss and just try to angle it so that it also gets hit by the flame staff but if it's alone I just kinda whack it with the blaze sword.
>>573277850Count in intervals of 2 alternating light and heavy.
I hate having to alternate between light and heavy
Is this still the hardest challenge the game had to offer?
>mash lights for horde clear>mash heavies for single targetThis is why the dueling sword will always be the goat.
>>573278626Havoc's harder.
WAITING FOR OTHER PLAYER(S)
>>573278626what was that again
>>573278829They should stop making mixed attack weapons desuGuns don't have that issue
>>573279039the secret hard mode for the twins when they first released
>>573279090Nah it's good there's variety even if I personally won't use them.
>>573275524true, that’s why I’m not in any rush for them to add Genestealers, I know in fatshark’s current state even them giving a substantial redesign would be very lucky>>573277112it probably isn’t that simple given how few of them seem to know how stingray works or whatever
>>573279176bad variety does not become good just because it's variety
Which class has the strongest aura?
>poxbursters that are locked onto a target no longer stagger from arbitrator shield flashbangBRAVO FATSHARK
>>573278626It was when dueling sword was a psyker only weaponNot anymore
>>573278626not anymore, they removed the rescue restriction and general power creep has made it trivial.It's so easy that I managed to do it quickplaying on skitarii with team mates not max level ringing the wrong bell for the skip.
>>573278626they allowed rescues a while back, it's easier to grind it out now (or have a stealth babysitter drag a squad through.)
>>573279614psyker cdr
>>573279614Definitely arbites.
>>573279614psyker cdr and crit or hive crit zealot cleanse for blight and blight only
>>573278626DLC classes trivialize it, especially now that Skitarius can just take a blanket 90% corruption resistance as a passive node.
What are the best dueling sword blessings after the nerf?
>>573280549precog and agile
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
darktide versus
>>573280970No thanks. I'm white
>>573280970don't give them ideas please
>>573281152porting darktide maps to vermintide 2
>>573257756Either is good. I remember thinking it was better with Martyr after the tree rework and chain weapon buffs, but I can't remember for sure why. I think it had some nice breakpoints with Martyr, and the extra attack speed is sorely needed for the Mk XV.
>>573258969This is what I've basically settled on (been meaning to try swapping Channeled Motive Force for Voltaic Emitter and just forgetting to do it though, so it's not completely finished). It's extremely strong with both Transonics and Arc Maul. If I'm wanting to use my Transonics for everything, I run this over Redline+Claw. Redline Claw is a very good Transonic build too though so long as you remember to keep the strength buff up during mixed hordes.
>had my HIV cummer praise the efforts of an arbites, veteran and psyker in one game>none were actually in my game, it was three skitariiwhat the fuck is going on with skittles voice lines
>>573280970Darktide "director/mastermind" mode where one player controls the spawns in a 1v4 scenario. The director creates a "deck" of enemies before entering a game that determines what they can spawn to fight the 4 players. Doing this, fatshark could sell cosmetics for different enemies.
>>573282362he got bad stimms manhe's tripping
In the same way that the HIVcum has a secondary tree for their stim shit, Fatshart should add secondary trees for every class.
>>573282545>Doing this, fatshark could sell cosmetics for different enemies.romevision MVM my old friend
murderhobo skit 'bonding' with heretic psyker
>>573266104Are you joking, or you haven't actually played scoom?Tertium Welcome isn't "no bs +15% melee damage" as it only affects the first enemy hit (obviously), while Channelled Devastation is pretty much always at max stacks: 10 for base scum, 5 from node, 5 from aura - that's 20/30 already, and then everything else you might have, including 20 via dodging right by the Welcome. If you're running a high crit weapon Devastation IS an actual flat and constant damage buff.
>>573266104You are dogshit kid dont type in my general
>>573266104are you really this retarded?
>>573275524Theyre saving all their dev time for the necrons that will invade the hive from below
>>573266104i think you make perfect sense since they both cap at +15%, the unconditional one is obviously better. Cleave matters less when using high attack speed weapons. Unless there's a bug i'm not aware of.
>>573282875It'll come out as an alternate career or "elite advance" system
>>573268103yeah but it's not 30%, it's 30 stacks, up to 15%.
>>573284472I meant keyed to a specific mechanic, like Vets could (mechanically/gameplay) customize their grenades, Zealot could customize their relic, etc. rather than just an extended progression system
I despise that weapons like shivs, mauls, tac axes, and combat knives are more popular than 40k staples like chain weapons
>>57328459430% crit gives them the full 30 stacks anon.
>>573284712The iconic weapons aren't good outside of malice.
>>573284712Totally agree. The laspistol is also somehow more powerful than the other las options.It's like they got the balance completely upside down, the weapons with the greatest mobility and ease of use are also the most damage dealing
>>573253637I mostly use chain special attacks to kill chargers as they rush past me. I also like using bloodletter to stack bleeds onto monsters.
>>573284712The chain weapons need to be better. People with access to resources to figure out what works and what doesnt will gravitate to the ones that work.
>>573285102Chain weapons and thunder hammer. It's so depressing how toothless the thunder hammers feel. It's OK for them to be slow but they should fuck things up when they connect
>>573284712The chain weapons just aren't very good. Lasguns could use a buff too.
>>573277130Chaos Ogryns are implicitly Scab faction since they can spawn in Scab Only maelstroms
>>573282010Critical lack of noosy
A dark wizard has woven a spell that denies vacation time until chain weapons are fixed. Swedish parliament has reached out to YOU to resolve this national disaster. How do you fix chain weapons?
>>573284712>use chainweapon>weapon latches onto an enemy in an annoying way that's disruptive unless cancelled (which skips out on damage)>when the stupid latch is done the damage is the same if not lower than me stabbing the enemy with a rusty shank>rusty shank has infinite mobility and attack speedrusty shank it is
>>573285760Fuck Noosy. I do not enjoy tagging stuff constantly, and I refuse to cheat for auto-tagging
>>573285760is it even good ? i always take the medicae skull but i want my capacitance for chudclaw
>>573285962chain weapons are unfixable because they are inherently anti flesh weapons and every ""difficult"" enemy is armoured
>>573286067>is it even goodImagine you tag a specialist, and you have a competent veteran in the team that actually shoots it. That's what it does.
>>573277130>Why no dreg stalkers?Dregs specifically have only stalkers. How the average dreg mook with an autogun acts, is the same way as the scab stalkers do. They have different names but they are basically the same unit.
>>573277130Pretty sure in one of the cutscenes or videos on fatshark's channel you see ogryn deployed with the 6th
>>573286146bullshit; chainsaw eat power armor for breakfast; see sm2yeah it's wielded by a two ton machine of muscle; so what
>>573286146chainswords in 40k have mini power fields that let them cut through armor just the same as power swords
>>573286351>>573286359Yeah but that's not how they work in darktide.
>>573286359But this is darktide where our power swords are powered by shake weights for a few swings at a time.
>>573286359that's chainfists anonchaindsword have monomolecular edge; whatever that mean it has a very tiny fanfic of shadow the edgeheg on the tip ?
>>573286359Only chainfists, regular Imperial chain weapons only have monomolecular edges for cutting power
>>573286067It's not uncommon for the nooskull to outdamage shitters by itself.
>>573286568>>573286587and eviscerators
>>573286717yeah but it needs even more input and take away capacitance and a nodeme dumb as rocks and want to see bigger melee stacks
>>573286568cutting objects works by push material aside, if you can cut on a molecular level, its really easy to bite into a surface and push material away
>>573286942depends of the eviscerator really; sometimes it's a two handed chainsaw; sometimes it's an extra long powerfist and even space marines use both>>573287084no i get the idea; i just find it funny to have a term for "yeah this blade's so sharp it has a single molecule edge"but physics take a hike whenever warhammer
>>573286359Only eviscerators and chainfists.Regular chainswords just use mechanical power and the innate sharpness of their teeth to cut.
>>573287027>yeah but it needs even more inputJust set it to ping once to mark or use cheat mods
>>573287278its not just warhammer though, a glass knife is monomolecular, and its not even and imperium thing, its mostly eldar weaponry
>>573287946>Just set it to ping once to mark you can do that ?>or use cheat modsno thanks i want all the capacitance for pimp omnissiah hand
>>573285962Instead of grabbing enemies they do an empowered revved swing like power swords and psyker swordsLess damage but does brittleness and bleed
>>573288097>a glass knife is monomoleculardoes it dulls super fast, okay; i didn't know; guess the airbrush fumes got to me
I've gotten accused of using auto tagging when I just have situational awareness.
>>573288097>>573288413Glass knives exist IRL, specifically ones made of volcanic glass. They tend to be quite brittle, but since the edge can be only a few molecules thick they're some of the sharpest knives that can even physically exist and were historically used by surgeons.
I need my radium peepee skittybros
>>573288413Some surgeons use obsidian scalpels. I believe that the obsidian naturally shears into a monomolecular edge. The blades are very fragile and are prone to breaking during usage if your technique is poor. When used properly the incisions caused those scalpels heal quickly and cleanly.
>shotgunner-sama, you're too powerful... I kneel.
>>573288134Yes, there's a setting in game options to attack with one ping. Companions will not attack daemon hosts unless they are already fully aggroed. It does create some awkwardness with pinging poxbursters
>>573289843>pinging poxbursters>everIt's like you WANT your retards to shoot them in your face.
>>573289651Wolfer was always a dumb name
>>573284712They should really change the special for chain weapons to act more like the newer mech power sword or relic sword.
>>573289362Don't worry, good ol' Plasma pistol soon
>>573290008Swagger
>>573290141>>573290008Dan Abnett truly is a hack
>>573288757>not wanting to spam a key every single time you want to target an enemy for dog or vet mark is cheatingThis is like saying fullauto is cheating because I don't want to spam left click on weapons that should have full auto built into them like the las pistol.
Anyone want to play havoc 29?Squad code: 8516422588Join up!
>>573289651Man I just know when we fight wolfer he's just going to be a boring as fuck captain and not even have any unique attacks and then they'll just pull the fucking vt2 skittergate of turning the guy into a chaos spawn midway through the fight.
>>573290343I'm loading anon wait for me I'll throw your game!
>>573290141I didn't say that it was the dumbest name
>>573290360That would be deserved for being such a jobber.>Wolfer defeated in bossfight>Zola walks up to confront him>before Wolfer can speak, the Admonition leaders shoot him with a blighted stimm>Wolfer mutates into a super spawn and swats Zola away>bossfight phase 2 starts
Was playing some l4d2 earlier today and I realized of all the things they've added Fatshark hasn't done anything similar to explosive/incendiary ammo packs for Darktide/Vermintide.
>>573290343two more slots come in!
>>573288757Auto tagging should be extremely obvious, and I haven't seen a single person doing it with Noosy yet. I can't imagine calling someone on it in error.>>573290327It is. I'm not a part of the "mods = cheats" crowd, but auto tagging from Dog Whistle or whatever that will operate constantly with zero downtime on its own is, objectively, an unfair advantage over others that directly benefits the user and enhances their capability considerably. If you think having a mod that plays a part of the game for you that is balanced largely by your ability to pay continued attention to it and where, depending on context, you will not always be in a position to engage with the mechanic or maintain constant uptime on it is not some sort of cheat, you're deluding yourself or retarded.>but full autoIs doing something you're already easily doing unless you're extra terrible or somehow disabled. It's easy to dodge and maintain awareness while mindlessly swinging. Pretty much everyone can do that, but even if, for argument's sake, we agree that it is a cheat, it's such an extremely minor benefit that brings real world benefits (saving your mouse, and more importantly, body's durability) worth making an allowance for. The skitarii mod that lets you make combo macros, on the other hand, is a cheat.
>>573287278It’s a fairly common trope at this point in general>>573289651This is always funny>>573290320It was probably Ward that came up with it
If I ask for ammo just one single time and you don't respond immediately by either throwing down an ammo pack or saying no, I'm throwing the game. And I'll typically wait for an inopportune moment to let myself go down and get everyone killed trying to save me.
does havoc not start at 15? i see mfers running around at havoc level 1
>>573291627If you ask for the ammo kit when everyone else is fine, then I will barrel myself over the ledge and take the ammo with me
>>573291852If you complete an auric maelstrom it skips you to 16 when you start
>>573291852If you don't have at least 1 auric maelstrom under your belt, you start at Havoc 1
STOP MAKING ME WATCH THE FAIL SCREEN FOR TWO MINUTES WHEN I JOIN INKILL EVERY SWEDEGO OUT AND KILL YOUR LOCAL SWEDE
What's the use case for the Skitarii arc rifle? I had one who was constantly shooting it at literally everything and then losing his shit because someone else picked up an ammo sack
>>573292236It's a strong general purpose gun with a long reload that you're intended to circumvent with Charmed Reload and Gunsmith, which basically give you a bottomless mag.
>>573291529>It was probably Ward that came up with itconsidering how many ultramarines we're getting you're probably right
i wonder; how many people in this general ever painted a warhammer mini
>>573293519i did some once upon a time but i'm too socially fucked to bother going out and playing in public.
>>573293771how "fucked" are you ? warhammer's chock full of autists and weirdos, i sincerely doubt the autists in front of you will care unless you rolled in a trash can
>>573282545theres a resident evil game that's precisely this
>>573293990even then you would probably smell better than some
>>573292236It's good at sniping specials and killing shooter and carapace blobs via arc damage chaining damage to many targets per shot. He was a circle chasing faggot if he was shooting at everything.
>>573294150that's where I drew inspiration from for the idea but that game isn't a horde shooter
>>573293519I used to play 40k and fantasy, but I checked out of my game group and never bothered to get back in because of some fag who threw a fit until we started playing warmachine every other session because he decided he liked it more (he had to paint fewer minis)
>>573292236it kills everything nigga
>>573294528based choice of miniature; 8th ed of fantasy ? that's about when warmachine bit more than they could chew
>>573293519I have, but as fun as it is I just dont have the money or space to fill up with expensive plasticIdeally if I'd be rich I would just buy minis, paint them and then give them away desu
>>573250103asking>do you think CAEEDIA will riseevery match and getting bullied by the other characters for it
>>573293519I don't have that kind of money to spend on a silly hobby.Which is to say that I technically have the means, but the entire reason I even have the financial means to do this in the first place, is because I'm frugal with my money and don't spend it on shit like painting minis.Pretty cool stuff and I get invested in friends' minis and armies, but I'd rather spend that money on my gardening project.
>>573251065power sword vet can kill everything in melee really quickly with the right talents
>>573295402when you start to buy recast money become less of a factor and get replaced by timeif i was rich i'd play imperialis in 28mm. that would be a sight
>>573295768it is a very silly hobby and i'm glad you save up for something more meaningful to youlife is choices and painting tiny expensive soldiers is one
>>573290343we won, chat!!!
I can't believe half the difficulty in this game is just Gunners to the point that 3x curios that specifically fuck their damage will mean you'll succeed far more often.
You can instantly tell how bad a run is gonna be by how your teammates handle the first few enemies. If they - fire arc rifle, shotgun or bolter rounds at dreg weaklings instead of meleeing, it's over just leave the match right there. Or if one of them runs WAY the fuck ahead with the gay combat knife or trans-blades, it's over, time to leave.
Any tips for this one? it's my only penance left :(
>>573296243sometimes I get carried away and run away too far with the combat blade, I'm sorry anon...
>>5732935195000 points of Sororitas+Agents, 2000 points of guard, 2000 points of marines. I also play lumineth in AoS, and a few other wargames like warmachine and star wars x-wing and legion.I've gotten a few best in event painting for my SoB
>>573295768>>573295402It can be an expensive initial buy-in, but over time really cheap and I have to say that painting and building minis is incredibly relaxing. Also, if you pace yourself, it's cheaper than you think. GW also does a free mini of the month in their warhammer stores where you can just show up and get what ever the free mini is on the first sat of a new month. It is very silly though
bro this weapon is so good you just dont get it>*installs mods to automate attack patterns*It's underrated even, you're just bad>*installs mods to automate attacking Just git gud>*dies to poxburster*
How long until FatShark makes vanguards less faggoty? They have totally and completely cucked my favorite playstyle (martyrdom Thammer/Eviscerator)
>>573296223It's almost as if there is an entire system of counter-range effect that everyone ignores
>>573297081Because it's not good
>>573296614what chapter ?lumineth are such a goated army; aos design in general is great; the §not vampire counts with the lord on dragon redesign is awesome
>>573294528Our group ran a Mordheim campaign parallel to regular matches precisely so newfags could join in on the games without having to buy 100+ figures just to get started.
>>573296243people who run ahead with the shivs get the pass, based and scum pilled
>auric>be any of the three teammates>die to poxies and unable to outmaneuver them, instantly stuck where you are if in contact with an enemy>elites, specials? better run the fuck away and magdump>sliding? dodging? wtf is that>need to be lead to health stations that are right in your face>don't do or assist with a single mission objective, including "press button">scour every corner (and die) of a no-book mapWhy don't you pick one of the difficulties with 3 wound bars and learn the maps and enemies first, mmkay cutie.
>>573296943Which weapon in the game even has an attack pattern complicated enough to encourage automating?Maybe Obscurus Force Sword before its rework, but that's the only thing that comes to mind.
>>573297689Anons posted webms of people doing it with the new mechanicus sword, but I'm willing to bet the people who bother getting those mods will use it for everything since it allows them to just spam the good attacks for everything.
>>573297081>ah a horde shooter, you know what i want to do? play gears of war and hide behind cover from aimbots with bad AI who dont understand im flanking themdarkshitters everyone
>>573296243I run ahead with the axe and kill everything and if you haven't caught up, how?
>>573293519I have never done that before in my life. I interact with this franchise purely through the supplementary material, which I like a lot. I’d be willing to if there were literally anyone around where I live who plays it or anywhere that sold stuff for it locally. Just the result of living in the middle of nowhere I guess.
How do I side/back slide? Like I can obviously do it while moving forward but im not sure how the sideways/backward one is supposed to work
>>5732969896 weeks minimum (4week vacation + 2 week balancing test/patch writing). It's fucked with me too because I switched over to Veteran to do penances and it's like there's only a couple weapons I can use to defend against them.
>>573298026Dodge + crouch + directional key
>>573297668my cute hapa gem wife…
>>573293519>i pay an (((english))) company so i can paint plastic dolls that i could 3d print myselfboomers really are completely brainrotten, the jews are right about you being cattle
Should I buy skitarii?
>>573298214By the time they fix all the problems, it'll be sold for 1/3 price. And it'll still be kind of... uninteresting.
>>573298214ya
>>573298214Skitarii is the same price as a spicy chicken sandwich from Wendy's
>>573292236Arguably the best gun in the game if you pick up the electrocution talents.Still ok without them but won't be great vs crushers.
>>573292236It's good against everything but niggers who siphon up all the ammo boxes can go fuck themselves. They're just too lazy to swap to melee
>>573296498Find a spawn door during a horde event and dump it there, especially on higher difficulties.Or just do Auric/Damnation Mortis Trials and let the horde build up around the bots, who can't efficiently kill them, then drop it.
>>573297880The more hazardous enemies attacking from behind are slowing them down. It is trivially easy to push forward when there are people standing between you and enemies attacking from behind.
>>573298857I tried mortis trials and everytime I got a fucking nuke ogryn :(
>almost every complaint in this thread makes it evident no one here plays havoc40>the one valid one: gunner curios being necessary is retarded because gunners and shooters are overtuned, gets ignoredsad
>>573298886>The more hazardous enemiesThe poxies? It's not "the bodies disappeared and they were fighting for their lives before I'm just seeing the aftermath", it's "I'm watching them be barely able to fight basic mob enemies".Stop defending absolute shitters that probably haven't even upgraded their weapons.
>haven't played in like a week, guess I'll do some auric>half the squad is hogtied less than 5 minutes into the mission>alt f4>boot up skyrim
>>573299498>my post didnt get attention therefore its the only valid one
>>573299765meds
>>573299501Enemies move faster than baseline player speed. Sprinting is temporary and not every class has cracked movement. Moving/dodging away from enemies coerces them to do lunging attacks that are much more hazardous than the ones that they use if you meet them headon. If you didn't realize that already then you've been getting carried by teammates doing the heavy lifting for you.
>>573300027Shut the fuck up, retard.
>game just kicked me out in the ENDING SCREEN so the last 28 minutes I spent doing the mission are gone: /
>>573290343GGs anon that battle against two bosses as 3 was pretty crazy
>>573299498>gunner curios being necessary is retarded because gunners and shooters are overtunedThat is a retarded argument because regardless of how much damage they deal, as long as they remain a threat, and spawn in groups of a dozen, gunner resist will remain an S-tier curio perk. It's the best survivability perk even in auric.Shooters in general are still maybe a little overtuned in h40, but if I were to drop their damage I wouldn't shave off more than 12~15% or so. Most complaints stem from massive skill issues.
>>573300170>game just loaded me into the ENDING SCREEN so i got a bunch of XP for free:)
>>573300286Legitimately makes me want to uninstall out of rage
>>573299498>no one here plays havoc40Does this make you dysphoric? Gonna go dilate? Shit your pants?
>>573300250>but if I were to drop their damage I wouldn't shave off more than 12~15% or soi've been saying 10-20% for almost a year now so we're in pretty good agreementone dude whose AI bugged behind you shouldn't be able to completely remove your toughness in h40 is all im asking, i dont want the game going back to being baby-mode like it was before the gunner rework
Why does my game crash in the psykanium?
>>573300640cheats status? and check your crash log
>>573300713I've seen youtubers run cheats in psykanium, why can't I?
>>573300185wait was the italian arbitrator not also from the thread? I walked away to pee and I saw a third guy and thought /coopg/ was just very italian.
>>573300824the answer is almost undoubtedly a mod you have installed
>>573300510Yeah I was thinking that number because it seems fair. High toughness builds don't get instagibbed, low toughness builds take a lot less health chip.From specifically 1 generic shooter volley that fully connects.Gunners are a different subject and an entire wall of them can get pretty retarded when multiple of them have rainbow colors and can't be suppressed.
havoc isnt fun because charging into a pack of gunners to stop them from shooting is the fun part of darktide, hiding in the psyker bubble is crazy boring
>tfw like playing all round jack of all trades>tfw thread just shits on arbys all day every dayim mkaing a terminus warrant build with autogun and hammer/shield
>>573301849psyker bubble sucks in havoc though, it gets shredded instantly
>>573302271you are allowed to enjoy things
>>573297081Yea because 100% of the time I'd rather just kill my enemy than suppress em.
>>573298135enjoying mao much ? or is it vlad you dipshit
>>573301849Havoc is indeed dogshit and I really don't understand why Fatshark spends any amount of time catering to the 0.01% of the playerbase that plays it consistently instead of just making new fucking maps and weapons, literally the only thing they need to add to the game to keep people interested at every skill level.
>>573293519I play vermintide and darktide exclusively because I think the gameplay is fun and don't care about warhammer at allI was talking to a friend of a friend once who saw I was playing darktide and asked me if I had any minis and and didn't understand what he was talking about because I didn't know what a mini was
>>573301849I don't sit in psyker bubbles, I slide into gunners and cut them into pieces. Sounds like you haven't found your slide button.
>>573293519I did because my friend wanted to try out Kill Team and it was a low enough investment bar that I was suckered into giving it a shot. It sucked and tabletop gaming that isn't just card based or something is not for me.
>>573303317if you miss one shooter in the corner they will literally buzz you down in half a second, being that aggressive without taunt/voltaic is just stupid if you want to be successful in havoc
>>573281152>>573281117>>573282545darktide needs invasions. redmanning would be a perfect fit and could replace a boss spawn. one guy in dreg/scab drip but with player gear
>>573291852it starts at 16. you need two players to launch a game and there is nobody below 16 because you get seeded in 16 by completing an auric maelstromI don't get the point of letting people access the havoc terminal after a heresy maelstrom since they won't be able to play for many hours afterward until they actually work up to an auric one anyway
>>573303594Just wait for Versus in 2030
>>573300170But you had fun during those 28 minutes, right? :)
>>573267937>He still doesn't have a havoc 40 assignment, which cannot derank unless manually done so.lollmao even
>>573303594Dude I would love to see the salt in chat from styling on a group of players in melee combat but we will never get that experience.
>>573285962have the charged special always dump its full damage after a fixed delay animation that is like 0.5 seconds. that's it really. the thing that kills it is the painfully long and inconsistent attack duration
>>573304727you can probably come up with lots of extremely cancerous rat builds that can just make the game completely unplayable and unfun for the blue team
What are the odds?
>>573285962Just make it so that you press the special button and the weapon revs mid swing or when it's already stuck in an enemy for additional damage instead of having a stupid special "look I revved it now time to do a long chainsaw attack" animation.
meet potential inquisitor
>HIV scum bragging about most team damage in an expedition >the gamemode that requires you to try and not fight enemies what causes this mental deficiency
>>573306204wait expeditions is about NOT fighting?
>>573305015what are the odds of you loading into a match with the guy you're queued with? pretty high
>>573306204>buy a game about fighting dudes>play the mode that "requires you not to fight dudes" (it doesn't)>whine that your team fought dudes
>>573303549I am successful in havoc, I just don't stop sliding when I'm out in the open and then just staggerrape any nearby enemies. There must be some fundamental skill issue if you think this shit is at all special, or worse, impossible lol. Actual YWNBATS material.
I wanted to be optimistic about galvanic but ACD+arc rifle is the final solution to ranged enemies, three times the amount of gunners/shooters killed with the same charge and ammo in any situation.its feeling like gunlugger-lite the way you just hold down that trigger and clear a room.
>>573306361>>573306645if you're aggroing every random group of niggers running around you're playing it wrong
>>573306204>>573306645
>>573304709>Climb to 40>Fatshark sends you down to 30 again for the next big update>repeatwow what fun
>>573306887I didn't know, never played expeditions.
>>573264210>play darktide>thunder hammer is shit>play space marine 2>thunder hammer is shitfeels like the only game thunder hammers are any good is fucking space hulk deathwing
>>573296498I got it!!!
>>573306979>wow what funIt is pretty fun when you're good enough to just do the 10 wins in like 12 games in a single evening.
>be me
>retard
>team of 4 vets>the other 3 don't know how to melee enemies without getting raped to death by two zombies every single fight
haha i love how people split up for literally no reason and die
>>573308515>splits up >gets dogged or trappered because they can't dodge or push>ahhhhhhh how could this happen to me! literal sludge for brains man
things I need fatshark to do to make skitarii goated with the sauce:>make it so ACDC can shoot captain heads while they are standing up from the ground>give space garand a bunch more ammo>make the ammo regen perk better than vet's (it's not team wide it fucking should be fuck you)I can now play snipey boy without hating italternatively:>make the arcs from voltaic actually do HIGH DAMAGE AND STAGGER like it SAYS ON THE FUCKING TOOLTIP you BITCHES>make arc maul get its charges back ever so slightly faster>make it so the arc maul can be activated/deactivated within an attack chainthe shockgod is already pretty okay but this would be goodimpossibly:>just make chordclaw a melee weapon, remove the ability entirelythis will never happen I just wanted to say that the ability sucks balls and this was the worst possible decision
>>573308515>>573308610Fuck you I needed that plasteel
why doesn't skitty have a stinky green radiation aura
>>573309294I can at least understand being poor and hunting for diamantine but hunting for plasteel is insane you get 20000 plasteel just from playing the mission since they're always in the path forwards whilst diamantine is hidden.
>>573309285space garand needs more than that, it has terrible ADS spread stabilization and also kicks like a fucking mule if you're moving when you fire it ADS, shit is miserable. I still want a mark with bracing instead of ADS on it. It's pretty much outclassed by the Phosphor Pistol in every way.>chordclaw sucksretard alert
>>573309515idk what to tell ya senpai, I always run dry on plasteel first.
>>573304940almost any sort of stun ability would already break it
>>573309585its handling stats don't matter, it's an ACDC stick, I doubt they ever intended for it to be fired outside of aimbot>It's pretty much outclassed by the Phosphor Pistol in every waythe warcrime pistol can't kill a plague ogryn with 9000 DPS>chordclaw goodshitter take, it's thoroughly mediocre
>>573307710My hat is off to you le epic gamerBe sure not to forgot to play havoc every week to avoid the derank penalty that applies regarless of how high your rank is so that fatshark can show the engagement numbers to their shareholders
>>573309834>you can only use this gun everyone was excited about if you take a specific abilityOh yeah that's definitely good game design!
>>573309912I play the weeklies too because it's fun
>>573309453because it's not ecologically correct
>>573309834Please explain why chudclaw is bad. Specifically when combined with redline capacitors.
Which vigilant mark would you recommend bros
>>573310507>shitline copeacitorshahaha you're joking
>>573299498I didn't look at whatever list of complaints you're referencing, but I will say this>the one valid one: gunner curios being necessary is retarded because gunners and shooters are overtuned, gets ignoredIronically, this is only a valid complaint FOR Havoc and not for the rest of the game. You'd have to be ignoring the plethora of mechanics to avoid ranged damage in order to believe that ranged enemies outside of Havoc are still overtuned. >muh Havoc 40I played a few seasons of it. It has redeeming qualities, but it's ultimately severely flawed. So flawed that I don't find it worth putting up with its many detractions simply to play with randoms at this point. I'm sure I'd enjoy it if I had 3 friends that wanted to play it. What you guys who constantly bring up Havoc don't seem to get is that H40 does not meaningfully take more skill than it takes to be good at Auric. It requires a slight adjustment to the key differences and a properly adjusted build, but at the end of the day, if you are able to carry a team in Auric, you are good enough for H40. Unless it's changed tremendously in the past 2-3 seasons that I haven't touched it. But unless that's the case, this whole elitist thing you H40 barkers have going on looks very fucking silly.
should I?
>>573309285>I just wanted to say that the ability sucks ballsYou're retarded>>573309834>shitter take, it's thoroughly mediocreYes, the "I win" button that has a low cooldown, deletes most elites, CCs and chunks Ogryn squads, has good boss damage, gives you a ton of toughness, clears a path to safety, gives you a bit of movement, partially refunds itself, and can be used 3-5 times in immediate succession is simply "mediocre". I'm curious what you consider strong.
>>573310962ehhhhh I might pick it up if I didn't have mastery on the weapon yet, otherwise dunno why you would settle for such low ammo instead of just rolling your own.
>>573311125currently I use a bolter and this is my second account so the plasma mastery lvl is 0
>>573310604Columnus mkIII. Headhunter/Deadly Accurate. Burst fire synergizes very well with the headhunter blessing, letting you float 2-3 stacks for +40-60% crit. My favourite gun for a marksman focus vet who can even use it to kill crushers in 3-4 shots.The agripinaa is a bit more stable but lacks the stagger to interrupt a trapper mid-shot.
>>573310640Could you please explain specifically why they are bad instead of being a retard.
>>573311084the skitarii builds that do 1.2 million damage in a single mission or make captains only have two phasescoincidentally they both also have solutions for shooters, which your shitty little kitty claw doesn't
Why is the stance (ending pose) not in the same angle in the cosmetics menu as the actual end screen. It's like 45 degrees sideways.
>>573311207Yeah I probably would then, I prefer grabbing something from Melk and playing with it over creating a bunch of greens to feed to Hadron
>>573311260Because 0.25% capacitance per second is a lot smaller than a bonus 5% per specialist/elite kill.>>573311275what in the goddamn
Store change this week?
>>573311207>second accountgenuinely why?
Is the mechsword still bugged?i heard it wasi've been using it and it's pretty killy but powered up heavies are slower than regular heavies ever so slightly but thats enough for a poxwalker to hit you out of it pretty frequently...
>>573311268>BUT WHAT ABOUT Xlol okay retard. Better options existing does nothing to address how strong and versatile Claw is. >shootersEverybody has that. Press your crouch key while sprinting, retard. You don't need a big AOE jam tool. That part is only useful on Havoc with its hilariously overtuned shooters. But Havoc is so laden with balance issues, it's not worth referencing for general game balance anyway. >1.2 million damage in a single missionThis is conditional upon your mission actually taking long enough for there to be that many enemies. I've finished plenty of games where my teammates were in the 200-300k damage range, and I was "only" at 800-900k because I simply kept moving forward the entire time. I can farm damage too if I slow down and move at the shitters' pace. There's no worthwhile information to be had solely through the damage score, retard.>your shitty little kitty clawI mostly run Voltaic, actually. Claw makes things too easy and diminishes the best part of the game, the actual melee combat.
>>573311817Bugged how?
>>573312015thank you for confirming your opinion on claw is coming from an auric lord, as if I didn't know it already
>>573312127Nobody gives a shit about your side game mode.
>>573312127>"muh Havoc" retard thinks his atrociously balanced mode is the guideline for what is good or badTypical poser retard that can't comprehend conversational nuance (ie. not expressly saying he was talking about his meme mode) or the issues with making general statements based on the single most poorly balanced part of the game.
>>573312274>>573312275what's good in auric doesn't fucking matter, everything is good in auric
>>573308515it gives me a real crazy rush of adrenaline when a horde of maulers and crushers and dogs and scab trash spawns on me and I manage to make it out and back to the teamif I don't make it back I just leave and you get a bot (better at the game than I ever was anyway)
>>573312385No, being able to use most things in Auric doesn't mean that everything is good in Auric. Do you have any other completely retarded takes you wish to present?
I never ever play zealothow shitty of a build could this possibly be?>Relic Blade (because greatswords are cool)>Boltgun (because they're cool)>throwing knives (because throwing knives are cool)>Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude (because waving a crucifix at a daemon or lesbian and shouting "the power of Christ compels you!" is cool)I don't even know what talents I would take yet, or what keystonebut I want it to be in service of those other things I said because they're cool (being cool is cool)
>guy who himself isn't good in aurics: everything is good in aurics.
>>573312571yeah that's fine.
Psyker headgear suuuuuuuuuucks>yeah we have hoods of this color with goggles+mask but not these other colors>oh you wanted hair, no you're bald>clipping? clip this *fart*>haha!
why did they pick nurgle to be the chaos god when the standard enemy is a screeching melee retard? i don't think there's a single enemy in the game that couldn't fit with a different god (but especially khorne) besides the beasts of nurgle
>>573312571All really good stuff. Martyrdom if you're not comfortable avoiding damage yet, IJ if you feel fine with it. Wouldn't really go crits on the relic blade iirc it has fairly weak crit damage and benefits more from attack speed and raw damage.
>>573312571It's fine. Taking throwing knives with the Bolter is a good decision, actually, since the Bolter is slow to draw, so throwing knives will compensate and help you quickly react to specials. I'd suggest Martyrdom for the Relic Blade because it benefits the most from that node, but you can do Inexorable instead if you don't want to live on low HP. I don't think RB gets much from the crit keystone these days. It used to be a CDR factory, but no more. I can give you a build based on those inclusions if you want.
>>573312571>Relic Blade (because greatswords are cool)and not because it's one of the strongest melee weapons in the game? well it was until the vanguards cucked itchorus + relic blade is just a braindead playstyle. run in, power up, swing side to side with maybe the occasional push, then cover yourself with chorus if you overheat, repeat
>>573312842>and not because it's one of the strongest melee weapons in the game?I don't know about what's good or notI see greatsword, I click
>>573312842>REEE STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKEAre you that moron that desperately wants everyone to know he plays Havoc?
>>573312696for the mindless zombie behavior I suppose.>>573312571>>573312763Oh right I almost forgot to mention, you can cancel the draw animation when switching to your bolter by using the knife throw, very important trick for taking a bolter or flamer on Zealot.
>>573312696>when the standard enemy is a screeching melee retard?yeah why did the company who make melee focused first person ARPGs centered on the power fantasy of chopping your way through hordes of enemiea pick a setting where most of the enemies want to fight you in melee and explode in satisfying clouds of gore when chopped up, guess we'll never know
>>573312842>the use-case for chorus is covering yourself when relic blade overheatsPhew lad
Why are auricshitters so transphobic? Not only do they suck at the game and spend all day in baby mode, but they also suck at life and spend all day seething about transgirls.
>>573312939no when I leveled my zealot I did this so it's braindead
>>573313051esl-kun...
>havoc 20>hab dreyko>stupid nigger skit doesn't use his servo to hack the tree>we're just killing shit for 5 minutes>i tell them to use their skull>they don't>arb has to do the first 2 hacks manuallyholy FUCKING christ i was gonna lose it if we ended up losing that due to this retard nigger not knowing how his class worked.even the zealot with a 270 power flamer was playing better
>>573313338Are you sure he even had the skull?
>>573313426yes i made sure to double check, he ended up using it on the final hack
>>573313126bro i don't care about you or your "use case", my blade overheated and there are 15 ragers in my face so the chorus is coming out whether you like it or not
what title is best? havoc forged or havoc exemplar?
>>573313592reject
>>573312671I just use the face mask so I can have the unique psyker hair colour and eye colours still be visible.
>>573313426pro tip: the skull has a model in-game if the player has it equipped
>>573313591You probably shouldn't be giving people advice on how to play then.
>>573313338>bring skull>do all the minigames manually anywayyay i love puzzles haha :)
>>573313781where did I give you advice you little filipino shitter
>skitarii add so many newfags because they're a top favourite reddit factionother top reddit factions:>necrons>black templars>votann
>>573313752It's retarded that you need to use mods to see your teammates' loadouts instead of it being a standard feature like every other multiplayer game out there.
>>573313869>haha you're BROWNI accept your concession, retard.
>>573312696In the end, any and every chaos cultist is usually some dude with a knife and gun charging at you. I would like more pus infested fuckers as enemies.But Nurgle fits the sort of "this place is filthy and I wish I was somewhere better" of this hive.You're implying Khorne. If it was Gunmetal City, sure bring on Khorne. But I see even our Scum rather joining Nurgle for drugs or Slaanesh for sex. I don't think there's that huge murderous vengeful intent.
>>573313338The first Ogryn conversion to Skitari has been a success it seems
>>573313950don't forget SOB
>>573313962no i mean there is an actual floating skull in the game world next to the dude if he has it, it even shoots a gay little laspistol shot every couple seconds if it feels like it
>>573313671how about reject with the checkered havoc totem?
>>573313962It's retarded that after 4 fucking years you can't change your class when you're loading into a mission. If you want to change you get to reload the entire mourning star again because there's no way fatshark can just make the models swap while you're already in there
>>573313991what are you even talking about schizo, random babbling unrelated to anything being discussed
>>573314082>>573313950CAN YOU NIGGERS FUCKING STOP EVERY GODDAMN THREAD WITH THIS FUCKING SHIT
>>573309730It is not a good solution, but you could use your melk bucks to buy gear to disassemble for resources if you are good on curios.
>join quickplay>two guys talking on voice>leaveam I the only one? last time I tried staying on when people were talking >dude A stabs barrel>sends me off a ledge>takes overhead>dude B walks past me>doesn't pick me up>instead spends 20 seconds trying to melee crusher and mauler blob with psyker to get to his buddy who is down>also takes overheadI was on taunt ogryn with revive speed maxxed btw
>>573314663Getting more than one person on voice is so rare I can't even recall the last time it happened for me.
>>573314663I use voice sometimes but it's if people aren't listening to spam pings for barrels, stims or crates.
11/18 grids unlocked on the expeditions mode and i got all current grids unlocked when are they resetting weekly right? All i need is the pants for some nice drip mixing on several classes. 100k/250k for the chest and i already feel like killing myself when i get these im never no matter what they do touching expeditions EVER again
>>573314753had it happen several times this week and they've all been absolutely horrible. either terminally retarded or griefing on purpose.another game I had there were two faggots who kept shooting bursters that I was trying to push
yummy
Did someone say sister of battle 2027?
Had 3 people voice chatting one time.I still decided to pretend to be mute.
>>573314980use case? all the AGP SoBfags are already running femzealot
>>573312696tide games are direct l4d ripoffs and you wonder why they chose the zombie faction?
>>573315071don't be silly, no one plays zealot anymore
>>573314943Note, that second one stops gunfire from slowing you down
>>573315035I always mute anyone who speaks immediately. 2+ speakers, instant leave
>>573315203
>>573315123the SoBtrannies still do, I see them often
>the cooperative games general>they hate being cooperativehow tricksy
>point blank ogryn with club and rumbler joins maelstorm auric>doesn't do a single attack besides slap the entire match>constantly shooting grenades at his feet while rushing on so everything swarms him and gets knocked down and bled>boss spawns and he proceeds to shoot 4 grenades in it's face and starts slapping it>somehow isn't sucking up all the ammo on the map>had the highest overall damage and boss damage and the least damage takenso this is the fabled retard strength
>>573314915Is this like lower difficulties or Auric+? I could see new xbox gamerchuds retarding around over voice with their friends like that, I suppose.
>>573315367never saw the Ogrynheimer build before?
>>573315337>talkers>cooperativethey always form their little talker sekrit club and grief the others
>next havoc mission>hexbound>one spawns past a checkpoint and is triggered>half the team is retarded and is busy dumping ammo into poxbursters instead of grouping up>demonhost almost spawns because of themi used to think hexbound was the easiest havoc modifier but being fucking retarded really can make anything scary
>>573314980Everyone else getting some SoB inspired drip when they dropped would be pretty sick
>>573314826>resetting weekly right?Monthly, at best.
>>573312696nurgle has literal zombie plagues.all the chaos factions can have cultists as generic trashmobs but nurgle has the real excuse for there's endless hordes of them.>khornetoo melee-centric>slaneeshwhat do they even DO?>tzeentchopposite of khorne also nobody wants anything even resembling vermintides brapwizards back.
>>573315432I think it was damnation quickplay
>>573315463Are you being gangstalked?
>>573315578age of reckoning did just fine with a tzeentch mob as the antagonists
>>573315578could you fucking imagine brapwizards with all the lethal fall zones in this game?
>>573315578>>slaneesh>what do they even DO?whatever the trapper does when she gets you :^)
>>573315578khorne is the only one that could kinda work. Tzeentch shit is always so lame and boring.
Slanussy is about excess. Tertium isn't rich or bored enough for that.
>>573315843khorne would just be scabs and ragers/muties minus the basic trash mobs.
>>573312696Khorne would work but it has been done a lot. Tzeentch would be too deep for console baby retards. Slaneesh would attract too many gooners. That leaves Nurgle, who they already have experience with from ratclick.
>>573315930The whole fucking hive world was bespoke made for this game. It could have been whatever they wanted it to be. The choice of chaos god was based on IRL considerations and not any kind of historic lore ones.
>>573316036nurgle is also the best all rounder force comp in general. you can take any enemy concept you want and call it pox/plague something and wa la
>come back to game for skittles>level them to 30>decide to try other DLC characters>start with hive scum>Using shivs since I haven't unlocked anything else that I like yet>get the +dodge range talent>go into a match>side dodgepic related.
>>573316036slaneesh would also be insanely difficult to play against in a horde game if they actually made them fast as fuck.
>>573316165It would have been the exact type of hive
How do I deal damage with ogryn? Killing unarmored mobs takes 3 headshots with the shovel. Something like a gunner takes 10 hits
>>573312696>why did they pick the chaos god with zombies for their left 4 dead but warhammer game?
>>573316310Just wait until you accidentally trimp over a rage horde and land your ass right in the middle of the poxwalker horde behind them and get gimped before you can even pull out your grenade.
>>573315843VT's somewhat unique because 90% of the enemies are traitor humans so regardless of which 4 they worshiped their would still be the same specials and elites but the closer you start leaning towards the real chaos/daemon enemies the more lopsided on melee/ranged a khorne or tzeentch faction would be.somewhat related, i'm not real big on 40k lore but there was a notable khorne-aligned traitor regiment that was real tactical and ran like a proper army. i can see why the other 3 can easily tempt and recruit the masses of normies and guards into their fold but did millions of people just think "yeah killing people is badass" and start khorning it up?
>>573316425any weapon that's not the cleavers is meant for heavy spam. Buy a pickaxe, heavy attack, watch everything in front of you turn to mulch
>>573316598You know how you feel an adrenaline spike if you kill like 20 ragers at the same time and the killfeed gets filled with your name? That's what people who khorne grab feel but in real life.
>>573315104they didn't choose the zombie faction for vermintide 1 and poxwalkers are, genuinely, too op to actually fight 'lore accurately', they turn people into poxwalkers literally by hearing their sounds. any of the gods could reasonably have the 'zombies' we fight in game seeing as they use melee weapons. they can just be cultists, it's fine
>>573316598>did millions of people just think "yeah killing people is badass" and start khorning it up?that's the least non credible chaos god concept because it happens IRL constantly throughout history. it's basically the baseline state of human societies
Ooohhhhh I'm Khorning
>>573317235
what is the use case for stripped down? sliding already takes care of ranged fire
>>573316598Khorne is the strongest god because every act of violence empowers him, even against his own guys, which also means people often fall to him just by virtue of engaging in violenceHe would honestly make the most sense for a game like this because he would also be rooting for the playersAnyway for an example of how a large swath of people can turn to khorne, necromunda (a hive world) had most of their corpse guild turn to khorne, corpse guilds are the guys who take the dead bodies and convert them into edible forms for people to eat. They were already butchering dead bodies and deboning them and all that so they went "well, what if we start eating them fresh instead so they don't taste so fucking bad?" and then they ended up falling to khorne, and this is an essential job every hive has a lot of
>>573317235My favourite tidbit about Khorne is that serving him turns grating as he demands you constantly fight and thus will start annoying you with buzzing sounds and pains if you're not in battle.Or that might just be the khorne berzerkers and I'm being stupid.
>>573317469the 0.3 seconds between the slides. I use it if I want to save ammo and need to get close to a big gunner pile, especially since it's not like blessings matter on the needle gun.This is when I'm told that actually the crit chance blessing matters.
>>573316598>i can see why the other 3 can easily tempt and recruit the masses of normies and guards into their fold but did millions of people just think "yeah killing people is badass" and start khorning it up?In a setting where the average joe might get conscripted into the worst meat grinder imaginable? If anything, the one thing they would be looking for is any way to improve their martial prowess.
why do the low visibility modifiers even exist, just get me into a shock troop game fuck you quick play
>>573315071power armour (super tanky) with a range focus most likely, since most sisters units use ranged weapons except stuff like picreli would say 'the power scale would be way off' but skitarius changes that anyway so why not. they may as well add a playable eldar at this rate
>>573317960They'll add all the power classes like SOB, eldar and hive scum will still be the highest DPS class alongside psyker.
>>573307829>>573308259Kek>>573312696Other Chaos Gods don’t have mindless chaff to send into the fray that aren’t literal daemons, and zombies/Poxwalkers are more thematically fitting due to how unclean hive cities are which are a breeding ground for Nurgle cults in particular>>573315843Tzeentch is super underrated, a lot of people don’t understand how horrifying a Tzeentchian incursion would be, imagine the movie The Thing happening on the scale of a whole planet
>>573316598>somewhat related, i'm not real big on 40k lore but there was a notable khorne-aligned traitor regiment that was real tactical and ran like a proper army.I don't think it is exceptionally unusual for Khorne to use proper tactics. It's not like he's getting farmed by people who are fighting proper. But I think that the traitor regiment that you're thinking of are one of the main antagonists of the Gaunt's Ghosts books. I forget their name though.> but did millions of people just think "yeah killing people is badass" and start khorning it up?That generally doesn't happen with any of the gods in general. People don't sign up to become Tzeentch mutants or plague zombies or bloodthirsty berserkers. Normally the cults start with people being slippery sloped in by some of the more outwardly appealing aspects of the chaos gods.For example, let's use nurgle as an example. He might be able to get his paws on a society through a healer. Some people might be suffering from perfectly mundane chronic diseases and want the pain to go away. Nurgle might inspire some healer to create a drug that threats the illness and takes away the pain. But that treatment might end up having some side effects. So you treat those too, but then there are more unforeseen consequences. Run through that cycle a couple of times and now you can't quite pinpoint precisely when you crossed the line from painkillers to zombies in the streets. Somewhere along the line the people stopped seeking treatment from doctors and started directly beseeching papa nurgle to take away X ailment no matter the cost (the cost is different ailments).Similar stuff happens with stuff like khorne making people seek revenge, slaanesh encouraging people to see a higher high, or tzeentch encouraging schemes and intrigue. They get their hooks into you with the little things and then they boil the frog.
>>573313950>>573314082also forgot iron warriors
>>573317469oh shit button for when reapers start aimbotting you
>>573318219>Other Chaos Gods don’t have mindless chaff to send into the fray that aren’t literal daemonsLiteral daemons really aren't chaff either unless you're a grey knight. Bloodletters are stronger than space marines
>>573316598Chaos corruption is insidious and all encompassing like that. It has numerous avenues to worm its way into your being and is poorly understood by just about barring like the oldest Aeldari. You don’t even need to invoke the name of any of the gods to fall to them, just embodying their particular domains at any moment is enough to instantly send you into their hands. There was a story of an imperial guard regiment who were on the losing end of a war against Tyranids and got so pissed off when they started seeing everyone they knew die that they became Khorne empowered and strong enough to tear through Gaunts with their bare hands. Khorne especially just has such an abundance of stuff to work with.
>never see anyone using the ping mod or anything like it>swap to US East to play since EU has gone to bed>literally first game>True survivor skitty>havoc 40>knife>ping-spams the whole game>eats a bunch of ammo he doesnt need or use>still get mogged on statsI see NA is where these fags are hiding
>>573317667i think you’re thinking of Nurgle. all of his followers are plagued with a buzzing sensation and noise that’s like an omnipresent aching throughout their bodies that sounds like the buzzing of flies. even though they don’t technically feel pain in the way we understand it, they hurt in other ways, they kind of just learn to cope with it.
>>573318724Kniggers are always just the worst.
>>573317545Khorne is the strongest at any given moment but the others (especially Nurgle) have power cycles and boosts in influence in the Materium that wax and wane where they become disproportionately stronger than they normally are to the point that the other 3 need to team up and beat down the stronger one
>>573317469combines with stamina on dodge talents for endless ranged immunity; when you need to run away from or to a problem
>>573319071wait that works?
Onslaught or exploit weakness
Sweats, how do you practice and get better at the game? My group is progressing through havoc at the moment and I'm looking for ways to improve my gameplay when we're not running, because desu I'm not good enough to consistently do well at a high level. However, aurics feel like kind of a faceroll and it doesn't feel like spamming maelstroms/histg is really helping me improve much. Anyone have suggestions?
>>573319235yep, ranged "immunity" is just putting you in a dodge state.
>>573319556Solo queue havoc philanthropy, of course.
>3 people dead>hmm now is a good time to throw down the medpackamazing
>>573319623huh, I thought immunity was a seperate state from dodging and that's why they used different keywords.
>>573319821i picked it upits for me
>>573319556Well what are you struggling with? If its the general gameplay then aurics should be fine because even if the damage thresholds are different you're still building muscle memory for dodge timings
>>573317960Armor just translates to toughness, aka it will still mean fuckall even if SoBsissies get 300 base toughness when they'll die from poxwalker buttsex chip damage.
>>573319821You should have gotten your own medpacks at the medpack store
>>573320029>Armor just translates to toughnessAnd health. See the arbites
>>573319556vod reviewdo auric runs without taking life damagejust do havocs anyways
>>573319556For friends and myself, we practiced getting good on damnation, then aurics and it all became easy. Havoc was more just coordination and a little more planning
>>573320029sure but it just makes sense to make them the tankiest class, maybe they can surge their armour to gain temporary immunity ala blocking attacks with a shield
>>573319556To succeed in Havoc, one must trust their team. Trust that they will handle their problems, as you handle yours. Trust that when it comes time to move, you all move, retreat or advance. You must become one with your team.To succeed in Auric, one must never trust their team. Never trust that they can handle their share of the problems. Never trust they will move when it is time to move. Never trust that they will help you. You must acquire and leverage all roles and all skills, become one with yourself.Thus to become better at Havoc, one must abandon Auric. Abandon the self, to achieve the zen of trust.
Is there ever a point when going for ranged cleave skills/blessings is worth it? Shotguns already mulch everything so they don't need it. When I took the 50% cleave node for veteran and went into the meat grinder with a lasgun, it only hit through to one additional poxwalker.
>>573320702Maybe recon lasgun if it's just one more target that thing still shoots like 30 times a second which should lead into 30 more crits? I've never played vet.
please chudsplain to me how to properly clear hordes with the arbites shock maul and how to regen toughnessI feel like I take chipdamage with him a lot (I'm only level 17 however) I also don't yet see what people mean by "stagger everything" because ragers still rape me if I try to melee themI usually play dueling/psysword psyker and shovel vetAlso what the fuck is the electrified special swing on the maul for?
>>573320702Depends on the gun. The more cleave a gun has the better the value.The mkXIV recon lasgun gets boosted to hitting 2 gunners/shotgunners, or 3 basic enemies (up from 2), which is a decent boost to its economy when shooting into enemy ranged clusters.
>>573320842he has infinite heavy sweeps coming off of his push attack...somewhere, it's been a minute since I played him, or you can just spam push and however many lights are sweeps, which is what you're forced to do if you ever use shield and maul anywayfor anything armored you go into his overhead chain which is just heavy light heavy lightfor pox walkers and pox walker adjacent enemies you just spam m1>ragers still rape meif you can't hit them with a heavy and send them flying there's something wrong with your arbites build
>>573320842You aren't guaranteed to have enough impact to stagger ragers. It's not before you get break the line and/or the forceful keystone that you start throwing ragers around>horde clearYou need to access the heavy, light sweep combo by first performing a light, heavy or push attack
>>573320842>Also what the fuck is the electrified special swing on the maul for?Making bulwarks keep their shield down. Making an overheading crusher reconsider. Proccing electricity on bosses easily.
>>573321224>he has infinite heavy sweeps coming off of his push attack...somewhereI've noticed this but I run out of stamina from a pack of 60 niggers attacking me and go into guardbreak mode sometimes... it's hardShould I invest into stamina curios or something idk?>>573321287>>573321343Ok so talents, alright. Also I see so proccing electrified staggers enemies?
>>573321454they're infinite on arbites maul, you don't need to keep pushing to access them, just have to figure out where they begin after the push attack and keep doing heavy attackson arbites you should have stam regen x3 on your curios, an actual stam curio isn't necessary he usually goes 3x toughness or 2x tough and 1 health to get value out of true grit
>>573320842>what the fuck is the electrified special swing on the maul for>ragers still rape meAnonchammer...
>>573320378We already have 2 dedicated 'tank' classes, we don't need another. At most SoBs should just get the highest base toughness and higher than average HP, and some TDR nodes in her melee archetype branch.
>>573321454You won't be able to block your way out of a rager pack. You need to interrupt them in some wayEvery arbites maul light attack has a chance of electrocuting your enemies and heavy attacks are guaranteed to electrocute your enemies. Electrocuted ememies will get stunned if you hit them with your weapon special
Thank you nonnas>>573321797>Electrocuted ememies will get stunned if you hit them with your weapon specialThat's so useful to know, thanks>>573321656Yeah the combo is push attack heavy heavy, I got that down but I run outta stamina like I saidAlright I'll do regen, thank you!!!
I think noobs like this >>573320842 should learn melee on a Zealot with either the Eviscerator or Combat Axe. You need to learn really basic shit like how heavy attacks regen more toughness and some attacks or special attacks have a ton of impact which can knock any non-boss enemy down. Instead you're being a psysword faggoid
how do i stop dying on melee psyker
>>573319556Just keep playing. If you die or eat shit, think about why that happened so that you can avoid it in the future. There's no real secret, and a lot of what happens in game is decided by a collection of smaller decisions and actions that you made, and the only way to smooth out errors within that myriad of variables is to continue practicing. Recording can help that, but there's not really that much analysis needed to identify where the error(s) occurred, so it's probably unnecessary. At most, just have Shadowplay or Replay enabled if something goes to shit and you actually can't figure out why.
>>573321948the uninstall wizard
>>573321948Acquire ADHD
>>573319821Playing with retard pubs, you should always be the one holding med pack. If you are already holding ammo crate, unironically use it and pick up med pack.
>>573321948For me it was playing like a pussy, imagine you'll get oneshot if anything hits you (you will)
>>573321914Doing push attacks when ragers are hitting you is risky because they can hit you in that split second where you're blocking and cause a guard break
>>573321454>>573321914You can also just shotgun the ragers, and that's what I'd recommend you do for rager packs until you're more comfortable and confident in your ability to engage them in melee. Big packs of Ragers are basically guaranteed to get hits in if you don't have a way to CC them before you go in for melee.
>>573321948Play slow at first. You will eventually be able to play fast
>>573321939I learned melee on an executioner's stance and shovel vet thobeit, I swapped to psyker after because I was way too rusty to survive>>573322276Exactly! That happens a ton to me and it pisses me off and I panic.>>573322347What would the right way be to deal with ragers in melee? With other classes I do mostly just melee them but I'm trying to be real melee focused with my arbites because it's cool.
>>573322247i feel like that defeats the purpose of crits making you immune to ranged and needing to kill a bunch of stuff to charge the greatsword though? but i agree that's sort of the issuethat or i get hit by a shotgunner and lose all my toughness and its hard to refill it fast
>>573252412You select the Heresy difficulty and do whatever you want because it's perhaps the 3rd or 4th worst weapon in the game.
>>573322463>break the line>grenades if running lone wolf>light attack spam if your impact is high enough
>>573322463>What would the right way be to deal with ragers in meleeAs Arby, I'm usually just swinging into them with the sweeping Maul hits or the cleave combo on the Maul+Shield. Cleave will individually kill them slower, but generally it's better to get the multiple staggers from cleaving attacks.If you want to be safer though, you should open with BTL or a blitz.
>>573322631>>573322671So knock them down or have enough stagger to actuall stop them from going rapist mode, alright I got it. Thanks.
>>573319556study your loss scenarios and what exactly was lackingignore your wins because you don't really need to learn from them
Out of curiosity, what do you guys do with transonics for dreg rager packs? I'm just spamming cleaving lights since it's more crits for electrocution CC and doesn't seem that there's much difference in TTK (vs groups) compared to heavies. But I never bothered to actually time those tests.>inb4 "I just claw them lol"Yes, as do I when I run Claw
>>573323734spamming lights feels fine on the unarmored guys, but the armored ragers feel like shit so i just push attack their head, and spam voltaic to stun ofc
>>573323734Spam lights and when they start thinning or I've stunned them all I start heavying but also I've started using combat blade on my trans blade noosy build because they almost do the exact same thing.
Fury of the Faithful's dash feels so goddamn stiffHow did they regress so hard from Zealot (Vermintide)
>>573324338Because they butchered the vt2 zealot charge and gave one half to ogryn and the other to zealot (forma de la 40k)
What is a "special attack" for Kickback shotgun?
>>573320702Thing with ranged cleave is the damage does not fall off, so if a cleave talent nets you one or two more penetrated targets, that's a huge value increase. Additionally, if you've ever tried to kill a sniper at the other end of the fucking train on Rolling Steel you'll know why you want to be able to punch through some chaff to hit your real target. That said it's still a pretty niche pick, not usually worth the opportunity cost unless it's something like manstopper which gives the shot infinite cleave (until it hits carapace)
>>573324565the ogryn one? pretty self explanatory isnt it? hit a nurggler with it like a club
>>573324565low damage, decent stagger, melee attack. a quick chaining sweep combo (counts as a heavy attack), it has good stagger cleave, but damage cap of two targets so it can only apply bleed to two targets,
Why the hell do the stats in darktide only go up to 80% ?
>>573324997Do not try to comprehend the internal machinations of the swedish mind
>>573325063Is it another one of those things left over from when the game was going to be completely different from how it released?Like originally there were going to be more attachments and the game would be slower and more tactical right?
>>573324997at one point fatshark had plans and thought they knew what they were doingthen four years passed
>>573325170Maybe. Presumably, they would've planned to add a new tier of weapon or some means by which to acquire 100% in at least one stat. Who knows though
why are people fans of skitarii, all of their dialogue is so autistic and robotic
>>573325170Most likely, yes.
>>573324701>if you've ever tried to kill a sniper at the other end of the fucking train on Rolling Steel you'lljump and shoot
>>573325238>they would've planned to add a new tier of weapon or some means by which to acquire 100% in at least one statthat sounds like something obtained from a late game gamemodedidnt they already add a post-launch gamemode that's 500% ultrasweat late game bullshit?why not just make that last upgrade a reward for doing that?
>>573325170originally you were never meant to have any chance of getting perfectly rolled statsthey wanted the pursuit of an 80/60 weapon to be an eternal goal players chased forever, and then presumably they were hoping to restart that treadmill once they let the numbers go to 100this was their player retention scheme, they thought it was geniusthey took years to finally relent on it, and haven't touched the system since
>>573325243I just like how it feels to play. I'm like a higher damage, less tanky Zealot without being completely fucking retarded strong like HIV Cum. I also like the Transonics, the Arc weapons, and the new revolver a lot.
>>573325243People like them because they're robotic autists.Their dialogue is like that because they are autistic robot people.
>>573325345
>>573324997No one knows. No one fucking knows. Maybe they were going to add red weapons later on like they did with WM2, but we're at 4 years and nothing has changed and nothing has been said.Although >>573325361 kind of has a point with how the lack of a crafting system in darktide just meant you were going for good enough
>>573325498but we could've had hadron/kayex-tier autistic robots instead of the boring cheerlessleaders we have now
>Is a skitussy>Isn't skulling the skull
>>573325731reverent-chan is cute, and i am death is a chunni
>>573325361hahahaha that's fucking retardedwhy not just copy VT2?I put a few hundred hours into VT2 and a fair amount of that time was kind of sort of spent chasing red upgrade dustwhy leave the numbers at 80 then???why are swedish coop game devs so incredibly retarded
>>573325731>cheerless>ignoring all of Reverent>ignoring Hunter's *SINISTER LAUGH*Pathfinder is a bit of a stick in the mud, but the others are plenty fun.
>>573326075Hunter should've been more dalek esque. All the skit personalities fall a little flat desu
>>573326062>why not just copy VT2?Why indeed. There are a lot of problems that could be fixed by this but with the way darktide has turned out I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the dev teams are forbidden to speak to each other for some reason
I just realized my true level on classes is like, chronological>Ogryn, Zealot, Veteran Psyker 450-700 each>Arbites 355>Hive Scum 112>Skitarii 51 (and don't feel like playing him more)it seems like the new classes add less and less hours of gameplay for me
>>573326994you can rank your playtime with those classes by how vaguely appealing the class fantasy is>cool tierspace warlockhuge hulking slab of brick shithousegrizzled vietnam vetcrusaderrobocop + judge dread>poop slave tierschizophrenic gutter trash fent monkeysome tech priest's nerd slave
>>573327358Potentially true, we'll see with the next class. If I even buy that. At this point I feel like I just want more shit for the base classes instead
>>573325731Skitarii are foot soldiers who live to die so they're kinda different from techpriests
>>573322046Are you saying that because you think he’s bad or because you hate melee psykers
>>573327890the uninstall wizard
THE GAME NEEDS TO BE HARDERHARDERNOT EASIERMAKE IT MORE HARDFUCKSHITGOD DNFKC FUCK IT ALL GOD DMAN FUCK
>>573328078the GOOD hard though, not the "five. hundred. ragers." hard.
>>573328078I want havoc 40 but no health/toughness/ammo debuff and the option to play without nurgles piss everywhereThe enemy density and damage and boss frequency is fun. Maybe not when it spawns twins and a third captain though
So which guns on Veteran are actually bad and which ones are the best, bros?
>>573328158ragers are the most fun enemy, five hundred ragers are better than two crushersif they replaced every elite in the game with a rager I'd never play anything else
>>573328078Havoc 40 with no talents and greys.Right the fuck now.
>>573328578no that's dumb, I don't want to challenge myself I want everyone else to be upset about how hard the game is
>>573326062I think they started with more ambition than talent and what we have now is what could be made functional and sellable enough
Not meme modes, nor crusher spam, the only thing Darktide needs to make it harder is enabling friendly fire on Ranged attacks
>>573329134Retarded
>>573329134>shittily farted on brapped asscracksNo ty
the game needs 3 times as many poxwalkers
>>573325345havoc is already a diceroll for if you have braindead shitters on your team, even with the rewards being so negligible.we don't need to incentivize more casuals to queue up because they feel the urge to max out their gear
>>573329887this but poxbursters
>>573328436helbore is fantastic for sniping specials but has a skill floor to it, plasma gun is also great at killing specials but gotta heat manage, and the accatran is good for mindlessly spraying, but im not super into it. bolt pistol is also nice as a sidearm for melee vet
>>573330214tick tock
>>573290327>This is like saying fullauto is cheatingNo, this is like saying aimbot is cheating, which it is
>>573328432Same
*steals your voice*
>guy goes down>send servo skull to revive him>he quits as soon as it gets to himthis keeps fucking happening
>>573331095I got scared of the spooky skull flying at me.IT ALMOST TOUCHED ME!?!
>>573328436>which guns on Veteran are actually badplasmahelboreall autoguns>the bestlaspistol
>>573330921Hey I've played with that guy, he's good
on my 5/5 auric maelstrom run I learned that poxbursters can spawn and attack you in the airlock during the cutscene on Dark Communion haha well i'm gonna take a little bit of a break haha
>>573329134The people screeching every time this is brought up are the retarded noskill faggots spamming arc rifles/inferno staff through the frontlines asses 24/7 btw
>>573328436anything that can't apply dots reliably or do good damage to carapace is fucking useless in auric+ so that eliminates most of the options, and even some of the ones that can do the above have contemporaries that are better.I'm not lying when I say this, Veteran is fucking boring, and all of his fun playstyles require a metric shitton of ammo, or by using a build that doesn't involve voice of command.He's literally just the gold toughness, grenade spamming, crate bot for havocs.It's boring.
>>573331593it used to be worse, you used to have crushers already on top of you and swinging when the mission first came outthey fixed it, but the skitarii patch seems to have reverted it for at least bursters, which isn't surprising seeing as they probably have a dozen behavior and animation overrides going at once on them now just to make them fucking work, not that they do
>>573331593I have had it before where two snipers spawned in with perfect LOS on the door as the cutscene played.Glad I learned that one before I played that mission on a higher havoc.
Why do people keep saying plasma is terrible dogshit now, when it barely had any changes at all
>>573328158That's peam thoughI'm mad that we will never get the true horde intensity the game deserves because darktide is kneecapped by being a console game.
>>573332643What people think is meta/effective is 99% vibes. Right now PBB ogryn is arguably one of the strongest classes, but people don't like that vibe. Their vibe is that PBB Ogryn is bad and they'll stick to it for a bit longer until it becomes hard to ignore that they're wrong
>>573328432I 100% agree with this angle, game needs a sixth difficulty yesterday. Cata but for Darktide. Havoc is not it, it changes too much custom shit
>>573332643It wasn't exactly great before. It was a 1 trick pony that could remove bulwarks. It was bad at everything else, any other weapon is better for shooting specialists and gunners.Now that it cannot cleave anymore, it's worthless.
>>573332949what do you think about the bolter?
>>573331095lmao same
a retard can really kill you
>be scum>game director decides to spawn 40 maulers ontop of eachother>rocket them all and bug the kill listI hope they never fix boom boom fren
>>573333168I think that Sweden is gay
>>573334083There's been a bunch of mauler spam this week
>>573334083The rocket launcher is just too much fun. Had similar fun with some friends. Going from "Oh Fuck" to they're all dead is hilarious
what is the most honest darktide class
>>573336225Hard to say. I'm torn between melee vet and heavy hitter ogryn.Melee vet is tuned fairly, but still has gold toughness, so it's not that honest. Heavy hitter Ogryn is overtuned but it has no specific dishonest mechanics. Maybe skit without arc rifle, arc in general, noospheric nor claw also qualifies. I certainly don't see it much but it's possible to build it in that way and it's a solid build, just 100% honest.
>>573336396>Maybe skit without arc rifle, arc in general, noospheric nor claw also qualifiesSkit like this but with Voltaic and ES-Conduit still doesn't feel honest. Sometimes it almost feels like I'm playing a Smigger despite all of my Psyker experience being melee psyker.
>>573334083Darktide is the only game I've played where you can shoot a rocket launcher point blank at your feet and you're totally unaffected, and in fact it's usually the optimal way to use itExtremely dogshit swede design
>>573337336It's called a good game design, because being damaged by your own grenades, dog shock, rockets, poison boxes, would make game unbearable
>>573337336This isn't a milsim or anything remotely like that. It doesn't need to be realistic. It needs to be fun, and rarely being able to use your rocket launcher because you couldn't shoot it at the stuff surrounding you, directly in front of you, or near your teammates would be both frustrating and severely limit its use cases.
I only play HIV scum and psyker anymore
>>573337783>>573337607I repeat I have never played a game where you could just blast your own explosives at your feet and be unaffected. Maybe if you dug out some utter dogshit jeeted asset flip that would be the case there
>>573337607>>573337783nah
>>573338137Your personal experience doesn't actually matter and isn't evidence to support an argument, anon. Your suggestion is actually fucking retarded and would hamstring all explosive blitzes. Realismfags
>>573338260can you name one? >muh realismTF2 is the furthest you can get from realism, and explosives affect you
>>573338137>repeat I have never played a game
Block list isn't long enough
>>573338374can you name one? insane the mental gymnastics you faggots get up to defend the lack of fucking feedback in this shit gameLike this other retard is trying to act like "realism" is the only reason your character would react in some way when a point blank explosion goes off
>>573338519Again, your homosexual argument is that game needs to be bad.You got called out for that.Your only defence is demanding game to be bad.Imagine being angry at c&c because it had drag-select feature, while none of strategy games had.Imagine being angry at quake, because it allowed you to fucking turn around with mouse.You called something a bad game design, without explaining how explosions damaging player would make it better. So go ahead, explain.
>>573338762Check this out>c&c because it had drag-select feature, while none of strategy games had.has something other games didnt have>quake, because it allowed you to fucking turn around with mouse.has something other games didnt have>Darktide where player characters don't react to explosions like you're playing some tech demolacks something other games havehope that helps, dumbfuck
>>573338883Still no explanation why it's a bad game design. Only your homosexual feelins
>>573339004Good game design is when it's a huge pain in the ass to use one of the main features of your character without harming yourself
>>573339004>Why it's bad designbecause lack of feedback and reactions to physical processes in the game world is a bad thing dumbassWhen you get hit in melee there is a plethora of feedback, visual, audio both and it makes it SELL the idea that you got hitWhen you point a rocket launcher point blank at your feet and it goes off and there is 0 feedback it doesn't sell shit. It sells you the idea that the game unfinished and they forgot to implement feedback to explosions>B-B-B-BUT IT WOULD RUIN THE BALANCEThere are a PLETHORA of ways to implement such feedback that is minimally intrusive. I never said it needs to instakill yourself or knock you around like in TF2. Having no feedback whatsoever is unacceptably fucking dogshit, it would be like having no blood when cutting enemies and you'd be defending it because>bro but it's unique >but bro you couldn't see anything if enemies bled>but bro, listen, melee would be unbalanced if there was blood
>>573338479there's a mod for italso you should clear your blocklist every once in a while, the likelihood of running into another person you blocked months ago is rare since they most likely stopped playing
>>573339176yeah just like how ranged is a huge pain in the ass in darktide because you can hear when allies shoot at you and there's visual and audio feedback happening when your allies shoot you But no bro having the same for explosions would be TOTALLY GAMEBREAKING AND RUIN EXPLOSIONS!!!!!!!you retarded faggots eat shit and say thank you. You deserve a developer like Fatshark
>>573339230Still no explanation why it's a bad game design and how adding your homosexual fantasies to the game would make it any better.
>>573339348I just explained it shithead>because lack of feedback and reactions to physical processes in the game world is a bad thingand your sole answer to this is >ummm can you explain why lack of feedback is bad xDretarded faggot you're saying this as if it's some sort of deep point but you're just a dumbfuck going the extra mile to defend a shit dev. You could make the same argument if the game had no footsteps, no bullet decals, no hit sounds. And I think you probably actually would unironically defend those things because>ummm where in the bible does it say a game needs that XD
I fucking HATE bullrush ogryns and btl arbies>see that tightly packed horde? Yeah let me scatter them all around so it takes 3 more business days to clear them or they will backstay you if ignoredFUCK
>>573339526Remember when zombies in L4D would smash against, and bounce off walls when pushed into them? Fatshark could never
>>573339526Still no explanation, and only empty words with zero meaning behind them.Listen, no one cares about you being a vegan, gay or whatever, so you can stop with empty virtue signalling.You can either describe how your homosexual ideas make game better, or fuck off. I'm sure that there a coop game for you that is popular and discussed.
>>573339348>>573339004>>573339721https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdRLNUGmFC8I feel like this video makes a good point on that. Details and a cohesive gameworld make games better overall. You'd have to be a total contrarian to disagree
>>573339321On my machine I notice when an explosion goes off at my feet. Maybe update your drivers or something?
>>573339780>game is better when there are nice detailswow, just wowSee>Listen, no one cares about you being a vegan, gay or whatever, so you can stop with empty virtue signalling.
>>573338519https://www.google.com/search?q=games+without+friendly+fire+that+have+grenades
>>573339721I'll write it extra slow for retarded people (You): >when you shoot a wall, it should make a bullet hole because that's what you'd expect to happen>when you swing at an enemy, it should make a hit sound and cause him to flinch, because that's what you'd expect to happen>when you shoot at an explosion at your feet, the player should react in some way because that's what you'd expect to happen If it doesn't, it feels jarring and brokennothing to do with realism either, it's a basic character feedback thing and games do it because it makes the things that happen on screen feel more satisfyinginb4>i didnt read dat, u still did not said why it bad xD
A game lacking realistic splash damage is hardly a deal breaker imo. It would be an issue if it wasn’t consistent, I.e. grenades harming you when rockets don’t, because then you’d be confusing and annoying players with misleading design, but that’s not the case here, either you lean into the cartoon physics all the way or not at all.
I'm almost lvl 30 with ogryn and this class feels worse than the others. It takes double the time to kill enemies and in return I get slightly better survivability. Not worth it at all
>>573339975>>573340032I did not once mention friendly fire or splash damage, just feedback. Like any feedback, at all. Visual, audio, camera, stagger, it could be any or all of these. Just some sort of feedback for "hey an explosion just went off directly at my feet"Like you realize Darktide has feedback for when your allies shoot you, right?
>>573337982they're the most fun classes by far
>>573340013Still no explanation, and only empty words with zero meaning behind them.We are talking about game and gameplay, not "feel good" reddit stories
Will you two just fuck already
>>573340135You got a list of games with the exact same behavior, now fuck off
>>573337982scum are fun, but psykers are total ass to play as.For be it's ogryn, arbites, scum.
>>573340145Your retarded obstinate contrarian stance has boiled down to "If I ignore your post you didn't say anything"You're literally covering your ears up and crying lol
>>573340179>why is there no visual or audio feedback on explosions going off directly on you >HERE'S A LIST OF GAMES WITHOUT FRIENDLY FIRE>okay I never talked about that>YOU GOT YOUR LIST NOW FUCK OFF! Sometimes the retardation on this general amazes me
>>573340314>Sometimes the retardation on this general amazes meindeed it doesnow fuck off, retard
>>573340339>n-no uI'm really sad for you, you actually decided to post that
>>573340228?Could you point out where in your post you explain how your ideas make game better instead of using worthless empty platitudes. The second you criticize game design, I expect a real arguments instead of "no game ever used drag and select so c&c was badly designed strategy" and other empty garbage.So, describe how darktide would benefit from your ideas.>>573340314>>okay I never talked about thathmmm>>573338137 >>573338519
>>573340561None of these posts mention friendly fire or even suggest it. "Be unaffected" means no feedback. Turns out you're just ESL and didn't understand what I meant, which also explains why you don't seem to understand why a lack of feedback is bad after explaining it to you. Sorry we had this misunderstanding. But I assume you're brown, so I hope you understand that my people turned your people into fucking losers. You will never have a white gf, nor will you be able to drink the tapwater in your shithole country
There needs to be less specials and more poxwalkers/groaners.Stalkers need to be toned the fuck down in Havoc I don't care about auric and below.I'm fine with Rager swarms as long and ONLY as long they are Dreg ragers. I'll take two vanguards per bulwark if it means another bulwark never spawns in again. Make other weapons viable.Carapace should not be as common as it is.
>>573340769>why aren't my feeligns respected, feelings should be an argument, you just brown, my white husband respects meAnd again, not a single argument about "game design"
>>573340769Brown hands typed this
>bro bro bro, just TOTALLY name your Skitarii Clackety Clanker 1 and I'll name mine number 2!The Skitarii has fucked up this game's community
>>573340841>>573340871Your life is shit because your people are fucking retarded and let my people enslave you lolGo have some pagpag bro
>>573340769You are communicating very poorly and also starting from a completely false premise. https://youtu.be/Kh1FD2isKgc?t=804
>>573340942met one called hadronsvibr
Skibiditari
Why do I keep playing during tourist season
>>573340059Ogryns weapons are weak bullshit. The pickaxe is pretty good though.
>>573341018Hadron’s viber? He sounds cool and chill
>>573340989That's a completely seperate concept, but the backblow is cool and an example of them actually bothering to implement cool feedback to what you're doing. It still doesn't excuse how there's no reaction from your player or on your screen if an explosion goes off on you
Trying to decide which L4D2 versus lobby to join
You should be able to rocket jump
hadron having no unique dialogue for skits is some soulless shit
>>573340769Insecure brownoid
>>573340989"You're communicating poorly" just because you can't fucking read is a very funny thing to see
>>573342060>You've somehow managed to...That was like oofies
>>573329134Friendly fire should have been part of the game at the start. It's been 4 years since launch, adding friendly fire now would just suck and make the game worse.Also seeing what kind of a shit ass community Darktide has, this game doesn't need more griefing tools in it.
>>573342060I was really looking forward to hadron and the skitari talking in binaric
>>573341725something else im afraid
>>573328078Just stop playing darktide for few months. It'll become hard again.Not like you'd be missing anything anyway since the devs are lazy
>>573342060Aand again you obviously have no actual explanation for why that's bad, right? Beyond your feelings of course
>>573342594Not true for DT. True for VT.
>>573342060Obviously she wouldn't. This is how techpriests treat skitarii, you're a retarded idiot with a gun. Now get your worthless as planet side and go collect scrap metal for your betters as you risk your skin and limbs for them, while they don't risk anything.
>>573342663Failing to capitalize on extremely obvious player expectations is a sign of poor game design. In other words, SOVLESS.
>>573342728>noooo the people who worship machines and cybernetics have disdain for their perfectly loyal cyborg murder machinesgrimderp retard coming through, move aside everyone, he's got opinions based on nothing and he's not afraid to share them
>lose a run because another retard didn't free me from a net for 10 seconds while struggling with 5 poxwalkers
Ok I just started playing Skitarii in DamnationAnd holy fuck some builds just don't work at allTranssonic blades are amazing but only with Flensing protocols Arc Rifle is good even if you don't have gunsmith. I can't justify/cope my way into thinking the Galvanic Rifle or Phosphor pistol are even close to as good.Arc Maul is pretty good generally but works best with an arc build. Overcharge capacitors, arc field, and that maul is quickly becoming my jam.The Power sword has an awkward moveset which is unfortunate
>>573343056If you were a real 40cuck you would know it's actually a good thing that fartshart decided to be lazy and cut corners.
>>573343246>Transsonic blades are amazing but only with Flensing protocolsThis isn't true. They do very wellw ith Redline as well, but if you run them with Redline, you do need to run the strength buff, which isn't too hard to maintain for meaningful fights.
>>573343246Phosphor is an decent special delter that can do some decent boss damage with infernus. The servo skull maintains the burn stacks. Alternatively some of the blessings can turn it into an infinite cleave railgun.
>>573342728Hadron acts cunty to everybody.>>573342728Wasn't one of the techpriests in Mechanicus (Khepra?) concerned about the lives of her skitarii? If nothing else, she wasn't thrilled about the idea of getting them killed for no benefit.
>hadron in the cinematic>AN ALPHA PRIMUS UPGRADE SHRINE? PRAISE BE! COME FORTH MY SKITARII ESCORT, WE BEGIN OUR PILGRIMMAGE!>YOU SHALL BE REMADE, PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH>anons on le 4channel, for some reason>erm, akshully she fuckin' hates them, so it makes sense that she was given zero dialogue for them, it definitely wasn't just swedish incompetence and laziness, this is LORE ACCURATEso fucking stupid
Am I misremembering or was it actually possible to totally avoid joining in progress games in VT/VT2 while they just made it fucking impossible in DT for some reason
>>573343056>muh grimderpThis is just accurate for 40k. It is grimdark and every person is an asshole.If you don't like it then find another setting.
>>573343528It's just one retarded faggot who needs to be a contrarian about everything anyone here says if it's even slightly critical of fatshark
>>573343481>khepraShe was 1 woman, rest of the Mechanicus 1 crew didn't give a shit.
>>573343815Kayex-8 is an asshole? You think he'd tell a skitarii he's worthless? Or do you think he'd be praising the skit's intricacy and singular purpose as an instrument of death? Your notion of the setting isn't even internally consistent with the game you're defending.
This is a Darktide general, remember that.
>>573343528>>AN ALPHA PRIMUS UPGRADE SHRINE? PRAISE BE! COME FORTH MY SKITARII ESCORT, WE BEGIN OUR PILGRIMMAGE!She isn't happy that they can upgrade skittles. She is just happy that they found an old shrine, ancient relic full of knowledge. She is a technoarcheologist it's part of her job description.Even after coming out of the shrine you are just a skittle regardless.
>>573344013>Kayex-8 is an asshole?Yes. Often very rude and just "happens" to forget to not shitty language.>You think he'd tell a skitarii he's worthless?Yes, because skitarii are expendable soldiers created for the sole purpose to die by the millions. They are just mechanicus version of guardsmen.
>>573344323Kayex literally calls skitarii "pre-servitors" btw
>>573344323>and just "happens" to forget to not shitty languageoh, I'm arguing with ESL brownshttps://youtu.be/30Ysa3A2WMU>They are just mechanicus version of guardsmenPlay SM2. The marines actively compliment and praise the cadians. I bet you get horny at the thought of krieg mass casualty events. Grimderp esl brown begone.
>>573344494>Play SM2. The marines actively compliment and praise the cadiansSM2 is reddit marvel slop.If this game was made 20 years ago before GW became pozzed by marvel and reddit, Titus and co. would just not care about guardsmen or praise them.
there’s a pretty big difference between being an expendable foot soldier of the AdMech and being squishy garbage like the early rejects are. at the very least kayex and hadron would pay them some lip service like they do each other from time to time for the simple fact that it’s more of their faction getting involved in stuff, they won’t kiss ass or anything but we should be hearing some special praises.
>>573345075>at the very least kayex and hadron would pay them some lip serviceNo, they wouldn't.
>>573345062SM2 is more canon than Darktide. Titus is now a key figure in the ongoing story of 40k as the man in charge of retaking the 500 worlds. Space Marine 1 came out in 2011 and features a female guardsman titus forms a close bond with.
>>573316318Presumably not all of them would be fast, you’d likely have some fat asses in there too, but yeah they’d probably be nimble and agile overall>>573318420It depends honestly, you have a lot of factors that affect the strength of all things derived from the Warp, but yeah they’d almost certainly be a harder fight than Poxers even just on ‘average’
>>573345164Hadron talks to the fucking servitor at her desk. You're telling me she has more acknowledgement for servitors and penal legion trash than she does skitarii she personally oversaw the reconstruction of?
I'm going sleepysleepies. You guys bake.
>>573345276It isn’t “more” canon, it just sees a bigger spotlight because it deals with higher stakes and bigger threats (and more popularity), they’re both equally canon
>>573345276were female guardsmen (guardswomen) featured back in the 80s or whatever?
>>573345489literally the second darktide's servers go down you will never hear another reference to atoma prime or terium ever again
>Fatshark neglects to put in new NPC voice lines for the DLC classes>anons coming out of the woodwork to suck cock and insist this is some conscious lore decisionthey literally just forgot
I believe I have developed a 6th sense for bursters, where I can tell if they're gonna behave or not. And if they are sketchy I just shoot them safely from rage. Can't remember the last time I got got by one. Thanks for reading.
>poxburster coming from the hall but have enough time to shoot it>as it is half health the aspie cordclaw retard charges it and gets blown up>throws a tantrum asking me why I'm so bad at the game>ask him why is it everyone else besides him currently has full health because they didn't rush forward like a retard>dead silent the rest of the match>he died to a poxburster halfway through the matchI cannot imagine willingly existing as these "people"
>>573345785Still doesn’t change that it’s canon to the setting the same way SM2 is (also unlikely given that two of the most prominent GW writers are involved with it)
>>573328523you'd figure out a way to kill ragers efficiently without thinking and get bored. this game snags autists precisely because you're always repeating the same mission but with slightly different enemy spawns and this makes every run have very different fights
Imma finna binna linna binna boutta vomit on the floor skibidi denpa style
>>573331095I quit when I go down so you get a bot to play with who will do better
>>573337336there are lots of games where you can shoot rocket launchers at your feet, some even encourage it as a method to jump
>>573346064How do you know it's half health?
>>573332643I've heard people say that about the new mark, but not the OG.
>>573342302it galls me when kayex calls a full skitarii gang "pre-servitors". they're post-servitors, they got better.
Man so they really fucked skittarri in the cosmetics department eh
>>573344396he calls regular humans pre-servitors dumbass
>>573346917The absolute state of all the dlc classes fashion is dire.Arbi I can understand, but God damn. Throw scum and skitty witty a bone.
>>573346917No. All Fatshark needed to do was add Ranger and Vanguard gear. They did that. No one cares about the rest of the shit. I'd argue that they got shafted the least out of any class in the sense that the singular thing Fatshark needed to do, they successfully did without fucking it up somehow. It's basically nothing, but given how Fatshark seems to never not fuck up I expected them to completely drop the ball.
>>573346705Because I'm a dirty little cheater and use mods
You nigs are gonna wear out your fingers when you stand in the elevator spastically switching weapons at hyper-turbo speed.
>>573345857if your game is laggy and their sounds/animations are out of sync they'll fuck you. mostly a question of ping I think
What is a good ranged weapon for melee ogryn? Also is it viable to go for ranged focus?
>>573345528Effectively nonexistent until video games and lore started making imperial guard fully mixed sex regiments in the mid-2010's onward.Mira is the only guardswoman you see in space marine.
>>573347549>in the mid-2010'shttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Valhallan_597thit's been a thing since 2003 at the very least.
>>573346917I think they look great.
>>573326062why do anything? the game is clearly selling and retaining players. they'll add the slut class soon and print money.
>>573345276>SM2 is more canon than DarktideIt's not.
>>573347616Exception, they were nearly universally depicted as all-male at the time.
>>573347470I just rock the middle mouse wheel up and down. I used to have a mouse with a bearing wheel that you could push a button and it'd free spin, flick it once and it'd just keep going for ages. Highly impractical for any purpose other than equipment swap spamming. Heavy mouse too.
>>573347509Ranged focus is viable up to Auric. But it falls off in Havoc because there's less ammo there. Just use whatever feels good. Start with the kickback maybe. It does the job.
>>573345363Hadron doesn't praise the fucking servitor, you dumbass. She derides it and calls it a retard like everyone else.
>>57334352890% of what she says in the cinematic is re-used voice lines already in game
>>573347470jealous we don't have arthritis old man?
>>573347470I had issues with my mouse wheel scrolling too slowly through certain large files, so I wrote a macro that scrolls at truly retarded speeds and bound it to two of my twelve MMO gayming mouse buttons. I just hold down a button and it does it.>>573347509Don't listen to this retard >>573347858 ranged ogryn is the strongest ogryn build in havoc 40 and it's not even close.
>>573347868hadron is a busy woman she has no time to record more voice lines for some swedish game development company years after release
>>573347784The game takes place in a region of space that they actively refuse to identify on the galactic map. No major named characters have made an appearance in the series, unlike Calgar and soon Girlyman. Darktide is a spinoff, not mainline 40k.>>573347860She speaks to it. She doesn't speak to skitarii.
>>573345062>If this game was made 20 years ago before GW became pozzed by marvel and reddit, Titus and co. would just not care about guardsmen or praise them.DoW came out 20 years ago and Space Marines were praising guardsmen and caring about them. Shut your infant mouth.
>>573347470My mouse wheel has a button that unlocks it to spin freely
>>573346917The big issue with the skits is that, lore wise/as a faction, they dress in uniform of their forge world. So the majority of "customization" between them is more or less just down to color. Fatshark made it a problem by not allowing player-choice to merely change two colors to the uniforms (the robes, and the trim), so that players can choose what forge world they personally prefer. If ever they want to add new cosmetics that aren't just color swaps, they're kind of fucked because without going off-menu lorewise, the skits don't visually or stylistically differ much at all from the common baseline of whichever unit type they are. Just only colors.
>>573347898>ranged ogryn is the strongest ogryn build in havoc 40 and it's not even close."Ranged ogryn" can mean anything PBB. You're implying that our newfriend here can run twin linked looger in havoc 40 pugs. He will be out of ammo before the first medicae.
>>573348134Our newfriend isn't even going to touch havoc, much less get past the 20s hump, if he's the type to run himself out of ammo by the first medicae.And yes, stubber is viable too. You're just some poser faggot giving advice on a mode you don't play.
>>573348207everything is viable if you're good enough. But not everything is viable for new players. I'm talking to him on his level. Most of us have farmed h40 until it got boring. You're not special.
>>573348328>But not everything is viable for new playersnigger why of all points are you strawmanning this one when a new player has no business being in havoc 40 in the first place, you fucking autistic retard
>>573348383you're the autist picking fights for now reason
>>573348328>Most of us have farmed h40 until it got boring
>>573348434>minor spelling mistakegottem I win
>>573348485that's my sign to get a coffee
>>573346093Yes it's canon in the way the Blood Ravens are in that they have no currently legal models and have not gotten unique rules in about a decade now and at best you get a small mention in another game.
>>573347509Actual answer: Kickback can oneshot most important threats including auric snipers if you build it right (some ranged damage, unarmored, specialists, Blaze Away blessing giving a bit of damage on the first shot). Grenade gauntlet is an awkward revolver that also staggers. The heaviest single stubber is a shitty revolver with big magazine. Ripper surprisingly isn't completely dogshit as a sidearm but I still cannot recommend it.I'd suggest you avoid rumbler because it doesn't actually remove threats your melee build would struggle with. Grenade gauntlet can be finicky, I suggest you use a gun that's better at getting snipers because your teammates will ignore those.
>>573348819>I'd suggest you avoid the best ranged weapon on the class
>>573348953Try reading the whole sentence you bonafide fucking illiterate mongoloid
Ripper gun is ogryn's strongest weapon. But none of you're ready for that conversation.
>>573347509>What is a good ranged weapon for melee ogryn?Ripper V, Kickback, single Stubber, Gauntlet.
>>573349158the first hurdle to that conversation is caring about ogryn, no one can do that
>>573348819>getting snipers because your teammates will ignore those.Goes for every class sadly
>>573347509All of them suck equally.
>>573347509rumblerranged ogryn is literally the most effective build for ogryn, but you chew through ammo pretty fast
>>573348328Post your true survivor.
>>573348328>everything is viable if you're good enoughYou don't play havoc
>>573349324This is the main reason I don't consider flamer or autopistol viable in auric. >but muh epic stagger stickCool story bro, killing the sniper and keeping your walking distractions alive to pull aggro is still infinitely more effective, and not being able to get the sniper can mean not being able to do an objective.
True Survivor?More like True Shitter!
>>573348819How do you build Kickback to kill anything beyond 10 meters? I don't see how I can use it to kill snipers that are 50 meters away
Baby making sex with the fem psyker rat
>>573349701Surgical
>>573349701The way I built mine was to max out crit and lower spread
>>573349629True survivor is the only true sign of skill in this game and only brown people will disagree.
>>573349420>>573349514done. You now have 2 dialogue options:>A: why did you post my image anon? >B: you got carried
>>573349908>cropped to hellNope, post your title selection screen
>>573349701Last time I tried to explain it a severely autistic retard had an hours-long meltdown over it and then pretended that easily tested proof was fake, so you get one explanation and no further details.>25% unarmoredSnipers are that armor type>10% specialist damageSnipers are that enemy type>Blaze Away blessingThe 9% strength applies to the first shot, we need this>Run 'n' GunOnly useful for the accuracy. I do have the impression that you can sometimes fail to hit even a single pellet so accuracy should help, but this might be placebo. Regardless, the accuracy is very useful at mid range anyhow, and being able to fire while sprinting is occasionally neat.>Keep ShootingObvious reload speed>No Hurting Friends!Every build should take this>Bash and BlastBottom left side, a weird choice, and technically not strictly necessary. You need MOST buffs active to one-shot snipers at infinite range, but not all. This is just another piece of the puzzle that can help you hit the one-shot. Technically optional, and expensive to path into, so I'd reserve this for dedicated Kickback builds in auric.>+10% ranged damage in the bottom rightYep, stupid as it sounds.The crit blessing is a meme, you spend too much time waiting for it to ramp up, and unless you have a mod to show you the crit chance, you'll have to watch your stack counter at the bottom. With picrel and the above setup you can just hipfire and they fucking explode.This is not viable at all in havoc, don't bother.
>>573349951this? Go ahead and judge.
>>573349804True Survivor isn't sign of any skill.It just tells others you use mods (cheats) or play with premades (nepotism).
>>573350013Can't argue with that, but really? Everything viable?
>>573350093If you're good enough. But that's not me. I'm not good enough to run everything. I've seen others do it.
>>573350093He's a retard but he's technically right that any individual piece of a build is viable in havoc. You can bring a heavy sword on vet and do well, because vet really only needs his melee weapon to horde clear as long as the rest of the team doesn't fold. Doesn't mean you can also bring a shredder, on a grenadeless build, taking all the blue nodes in the top third of the tree like you're trying to fill it all out, with all wound curios using exp, dockets and grimoire resist, and have a viable build.
>>573342060After crafting, Hadron said that I made her day a little bit better, then thanked me.This is a new line I've only heard on Skitarii. But yes, she did call our party of 4 Skitarii "varlets" in-mission.
>>573350547She says that to the regular rejects too. She's being sarcastic.
>>573350606I've found she's pretty tsundere>Go. We both know you will return.Probably changed her attitude on our guys somewhat after succeeding at getting the foundryplex working. Her line about volunteers in the skitarii intro may also imply she's not above poaching rejects from the warband into the mechanicus.
>>573350093There's a video of 4 ogryns finishing h40 using nothing but the slaps on the bully club.
>>573350547Varlet has two meanings, and you can usually tell which meaning she applies depending on her tone.
How do I Helbore?
>>5733519211. get the mod that auto charges it when you aim down sights2. get the mod(s) that allow you to attach a zoom scope3. go exe stance shock trooper and weakpoint damage4. miss every shot in your havoc games because it's significantly harder to prioritize targets and aim at the heads of enemies running around everywhere and give up on the weapon
>>573351921click on heads
>>573351921point at enemyhold clickshoot>but it sucksyeah
>>573351921Build for crit and Shocktrooper, aim at heads, take stealth to be unmolested or wallhacks and smoke for !FUN!.Or pick a better gun cus it's in a pretty sad state right now
Why do people say autoguns are bad? Infantry autogun deals more damage than Recon Lasgun
>>573352193Reconlasgun can have infinite shots and on Vet you can make it a rending/brittle hose that stacks fire
>>573352193Autogun doesn't come with shocktrooper
>>573352125What are those mods called? I can't find them in the blessings menu
>>573352193Ammo starvation in Havocs
>>573352193no ammo. if they had like 3 or 4 extra mags it would solve the problem
>>573352193People who use them take all the ammo for the team and still do less damage than someone with a properly built recon
Do different weapons have different push lengths?
>"Block ranged attacks with the refraction emitter">Another skit keeps killing the ranged enemies targeting me>Psyker keeps putting his own shield up around me Fuck these stupid penances that make me dislike my teammates for playing correctly
HelloNew threadDoko?
>>573353771Stop trying to hammer them out so quickly then, just play normally
>>573354130Stop trying to excuse the gay and retarded swede "design" you bootlicking nigger.
>>573354307Then drop the difficulty and do it on a dead game mode. Mortis trials with grenade regen on an objective round works fine.
>>573354130I don't like playing with it though so I'm trying to get it done quicker. I still need to do the specific keystone loadouts but at least those should be faster to do.
>>573353912No. This is the last
>>573355175It's been a fun ride...
>>573353771no man's land is a pretty good mission to get it donelots of open spaces full of gunners
>>573354130nta the only reason I would use refraction emitter is for the penance specifically
>redbull zeroCheck>Bifi rollCheckYep, it's hive scum gaming time
page 10time to die
RIP in piss /poopg/
>another thread dying without a new one being baked and linked toworst general on the website
