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>>574227054AC machine broke
TOTAL ROCKY VICTORYKNIGHTFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH
Are you ready for chapter 6 ? what loadout have you prepared and which flower items did you pick ?
>>574227286Specs FTW
>zero deleted posts last threadI take it you've *mostly* behaved. that's a good start. keep it up.
>>574227074Don't be sad be happy that we ever got have the experience and accept that things must change eventually>make rude buster betterHonestly I think anything besides the the 10 TP reduction would make rude buster way too strong lmao >>574226337>>574226354Reposting from end of last thread: If you truly believe this then you've really missed the point of all of this. There is no "game" in the context of that universe. Seeing the world as a game you can manipulate is not "enlightenment" in Undertale and Deltarune, it's mania. Jevil is objectively not free despite his own beliefs, he is quite literally coping with his situation by lying to himself.
Post some Floradinns maybe?
>waiting to find my utg wife so we can have a child together and post its photo under "Personal creations anchor" postAny day now
>>574227254>the AC chapterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUcuHUvI1UI
Look at this flower.Look at this MAN.LOOK AT HIM! LOOK!
>>574227070Hooman!
>>574227286Apron, hat and shoes. Even knowing now that the broken scarf has cracked stats I still thing the shoes will be worth it for segments where you want to pacify. No specs because I like TP
>>574227481Dude, your flower bum lost, get over it.
>>574227286i don't get hit so i picked yellow's hat for the stronger spells orange's gloves to make scythemare useful and sethspecs because it has a magic boost
>>574227414What efforts have you made to make that a reality? All creative endeavours require that you do your part, like practice and stuff
>>574227286aw yes a fellow commissioner of items. im glad the yellow hat finally lets Ralsei heal over 100 hp
>>574227286>uses pathetic stat ehancing armors>not using exclusively TP-gain enhancing armorsuh oh buddy! looks like YOU'RE gonna be one TP short in every fight where it matters!
>>574226979wanting to? wrong way to look at it.its just how things are, how things go.>ralsei tree-theorythe fabled faggotree.
>>574227626Haha. Your fave is in love with mine.
>>574227534honestly BlueShoes seems better for a pacifist route with its magic and def stats, which makes the AquaKnife so weird because it seems to serve 0 purpose at all.
Susie NEEDS the yellow hat to go along with her justice axe
Someone post massive fat thighs thick Gaster
>Doomer gets filtered by Ralsei Tree TheoryLMAO
>>574227719how do you feel about the love quadrangle anon?
>>574227678unrelated, but ralsei's heal is so awful compared to items because he isn't actually a cleric/white mage, he's a damage dealing spellcaster that is pretending/forcing himself to be a support character
>>574227397holy fucking shit saved that gif
>>574227719this will be the deciding factor in the ultimate shipno one x no onenobody gets laid
Toby mades his most popular sexyman yet the ultimate Asgore simp as karmic retribution for all the cuck jokes you've made. How does that feel?
>>574227719I think it's a high likelyhood that they're endgame. Or them + some other additions to the polycule.
>>574227691it's fine my fights will take more turns and I'll get to see the super secret dialogue that toby wrote just for me
Polyamory suuuuuuuuuuucks. It's so emotionally hollow.
>>574227691>looks at all my TP gaining items in storagesure thing buddy
>>574227961It would be fucking bold of Toby to try and add someone new to the polycule in the second to last chapter of the game.
>>574227379>There is no "game" in the context of that universeIt's quite likely that there is tho'.Asgore having a higher knowledge make him obsessed and ruin his relationship but he was right.This is not an antischizo game but a schizo responsibly game.
>>574228004>a
>>574227873>>574228127We just need Ralsei and Noelle to have an actual on-screen conversation and we'll be off to the races.
>>574227373The shitter has a 4chan pass which is why it took so many hours for him to get wiped yesterday
>>574228004Where is Rouxls cosplaying Meowth to complete the motto?
>>574227104Jevil isn't "enlightened," he's correct about the world being a game, but wrong about that making things meaningless. Play gives structure to the world and serves a critical role in human psychology precisely because it's meaningful. This is what Seam means when they say they might have found more purpose in their life if they had stuck with Jevil so they could keep playing with him. Jevil even says that his motivation for the fight is loneliness, the point of the Seam and Jevil arc is that playing with other people brings meaning to your life even if it otherwise seems meaningless.
>>574227748>honestly BlueShoes seems better for a pacifist route with its magic and def statsIt has really strong stats yeah and makes pacify way easier to utilize>Aqua knife has no purposeYeah it kinda feels that way mechanically. I think he choice to make it a knife was too necessary to pass up on thematically and like the black knife and jingle blade, Noelle can equip it. It would be kinda crazy if it actually becomes useful because when you confront the knight they take the black shard back from you like Vergil taking the yamato from Nero
>>574227663who the fuck picks orange
>>574228391Everyone with fucking sense.>hottest flower>20%TP omni-spare
>>574227891let's hope this gets addressed in chapter 6 because to be fair sparing people has been the optimal path so far
OrangeGOD >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rat hatless goat
>>574227609*girl
>>574228450>hottest flowerMaybe if you're into bestiality
>>574227961This is advanced cope
>>574228351>Kris loses their hand holding the BlackShard to tightly when the knight takes it back from them
>>574228047you're a massive faggot though you have proven to have thin skin.you have thrown hissy fits over even more banal things.i mean, look at you: trying to be inflammatory by pulling me to your low level.discussions with you tanked the bar of niveau so hard that its a limbo stick in hell with 2mm clearance and you still dance under it with grace.
>>574228604She looks like a beautiful, sexy human woman to me.
>>574227397theres alot
One ending
>>574228165Why did Ferroll do that? Is he evil?
>>574228450I never pacify tho I really don't know if an omnispare is that good desu
>all the hotfix patches in deltarune are written by a dev account named "g."Surely this means nothing at all
>>574228695If that's the literal case then this game has been for total dogshit
>>574228824>I never pacifybecause you SUCK. like, BAD. I bet you don't use S- or R-Action either.
>>574228351>and like the black knife and jingle blade, Noelle can equip it.That got patched, she can still do Black Knife and Jingle Blade but not Aqua Knife
>>574228838Gaster Deniers shall be put to the cross and displayed for the world to see
>>574228683give me one reason this wouldnt work
>>574228838Goby Gox...
>>574228101ahh, the Phoenix Down ×99...
>>574228996darkness is pulled from the earth, fountains are letting darkness out from below ground. a suit like that wouldn't be able to hold a dark fountain because there's nowhere for it to pull darkness from
>>574228683>>574229037>kris, susie, why are you dragging a pile of boxes on the back of trailer?
>>574228205with that in mind are we ever gonna get a chance where the characters use the player's name and speak to (you) directly? I'm hoping chapter 6 with carol or at the bare minimum 7 will give us the chance to feel more involved and not behind kris's face
I got the Aqua Knife, Orange Gloves, and Blue Shoes because I wanted my friends Kris, Susie, and Ralsei to each get their own items
>>574229079he draws a cute ralsei but ever since i learned he also drew toriel jerking off infant asriel his stuff has given me the creeps
JARU UPLOADED AN ALMOST 14 HOUR BLIND PLAYTHROUGH LET'S GOOOOOOOOOO
I CAN'T FUCKING DRAW!
>>574229160Wrong reply lmao
I got the Aqua Knife and will use it because the Knight is stupid and lame and I don't want to use any of its stinky shards
if Ralsei decides he wants to be a girl will she grow a vagina and let Kris finally score or will Kris be forevercucked?
>>574229037Wombin'Hey there, sexy~
>>574228351even tho you can equip it to noelle, the FreezeRing or ThornRing are much better suited for her.. and if we do end up being able to get the GildedRose, even in normal routes playthrough there would be a ring outclassing Aqua.. it's very strange how this is clearly the only flower completely unworth of being picked.
>>574229110just make fountain boots for him
>>574229110When will the fandom realize that there's a literal shadow mantle, as in the mantle of the earth is full of darkness?
>>574229168I don't think they had us enter our name for literally nothing but I'm not sure how much we're going to be directly involved in the ground level events of the game at this point.
>>574229110Pipe like a portable air conditioner
>>574229296Lucida motherfucker
>>574229376that, doesn't fix the issue?? if you made fountain boots for him he'd just, stand in place, are you saying you want him to like, pirates of the caribbean that shit and make a bunch of mini fountain holes all around town for him to step his boots over
I CAN'T DRAW FUCKING!
>>574229496>THAT JUST WOULDNT WORK BECAUSE IT WOULDNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ok chud
>>574229441Is this really what THE BOYS get up to?
>>574229557Lucida mothe-Oh wait
>>574229425yeah..
>>574227208
>>574228878I don't I'm a fucking chud that loves Kris too much to take away the only thing they are good at..
>>574228996Toby hates us.
What if the only way for Ralsei to live in the light world was for him to receive a lightner's thick, stinky load on his mouth/ ass every 10 hours? How would Kris and Susie react to his news?
>>574229365The AquaKnife cannot be equipped to Noelle any more, Toby fucked up.
>>574229606I love these yellow fellows!
>>574229613Kris isn't even good at ACTing, a lot of the times it's more efficient to use S-action or R-action
what if in the ralsei boss fight he gets sad and gives up if you die too many times
>>574229613Your attachments are holding you back from optimal gameplay, partner. THIS is why we need our vessel...
>>574229390during the seth portion of flowery's boss battle the healing words are known, (player name), and friend. so I'm hoping this means they're going to be relevant soon especially with the added lore drop. rolling for vessel in chapter 6
>>574228185>It's quite likely that there is tho'.There is not. The game mechanics exist as diagetic functions of the universe and do not make the world a game because it "seems" like one. Flowey and Frisk and Kris almost certainly doesn't make the world any less real because they have the power to "undo" the cruelty they can enact.>Asgore having a higher knowledge make him obsessedWhat? Asgore's dilemma comes from a severe lack of knowledge. He's obsessed with solving a real world mystery. You're not one of the people who thinks he had a shadow crystal still right?>>574228247>Play gives structure to the world and serves a critical role in human psychology precisely because it's meaningfulWell yes but that doesn't mean it's healthy to view your world as "just a game" without meaning and hurting people as part of that game. >Jevil even says that his motivation for the fight is loneliness, the point of the Seam and Jevil arc is that playing with other people brings meaning to your life even if it otherwise seems meaninglessI don't disagree with this analysis but it doesn't change that his words about freedom ring hollow. If Jevil were truly free he wouldn't need to wait for the heroes to come play with him. Were he truly enlightened he wouldn't want to get out of the prison to "play" with everyone else. Seam is the opposite end of that mindset, the quiet defeatist. >>574228657Maybe but I think it's more likely that Kris loses their hand to a friend cat. Biting kris's hand in general has come up a few times now and it would explain why the board game Mantle, which is already likely a construct of kris's fears, regrets and violent urges, can summon the nameless "_" friends. Kris will lose their hand to a friend cat and the name is blanked not as a form of outside censorship but either represents Kris not knowing their true name or fearing them enough to block it out>>574228901Okay I actually didn't know about that ty
>>574229695what is the point of thus fucking item I swear to god
>>574229592that is so mean don't yell at me... *sniff* i tried to explain i really did... i'm sorry..... darkness *sniff* darkness is below ground.... you can't carry it around it comes from underground...... you have to make little holes all over town...... don't yell at me.....
>>574229880Oh, Raly! You're fucking my ass!
>>574229815>keep spamming spare>he starts acting like toriel in undertale
>>574229773My chud child will keep on being the only one to act even if it's inefficient I love them to much to betray them like that
Ch5 discourse made me realize I'm transphobic and I don't know if I can fix it
>>574229883>during the seth portion of flowery's boss battle the healing words are known, (player name), and friend.Uhhh, no? Did you name yourself "Quantity" or "Image"?
>>574229907+2 def for KrisWider crit window if you have a skill issueIt's definitely underpowered
Now that we know Dess can't play music for crap who the hell plays and sings Don't Forget
>>574229883By the way! The green words don't actually heal you, they just give extra TP jsyk
>pacify TP reduction is bad because... I don't use pacifyThe reason I don't use pacify is because of the TP cost meaning I can't do it turn 1 even if Kris and Susie can make the enemy tired that turn. Then on the second turn you can usually do an act to finish the mercy meter + same turn spare, so it doesn't matter.Therefore Pacify having its TP reduced is hyuge for efficiency and gives more opportunities to use it.
>>574229037>>574229347this is a great example for one of the many hissy-fit conditions doomer has.if i speak, he's deaf. if i am malignant, he sees none.he goes off on banalities and has no issue doing what sets him off to others and sees no ill in it.you remind me of the feud between cats and dogs.cats and dogs are natural enemies, but all of it stems from misunderstandings.the soft purr of a cat sounds to a dog like nothing but an aggravated growl.and the playful and curious movements of the dog are seen as a sign of aggression.they are meant to hurt one another.
>>574230232When was it told to us that Dess sucked at music? Did I miss some light world dialogue?
does carol look like the grinch because she stole krismas
>>574229909ok im sorry i didnt mean itdont cryi was thinking darkness boots with tiny fountains in the soles and he could just have one foot on the floor and alternate the twodont cry please dontor you couldcalm down im sorryyou could do tank treads
>>574230194
>>574230087if it ain't broken don't fix it
>>574230087Always ask yourself why anon. In general for all of you beliefs regardless of what they are it helps to take a deep breath, a step back and reflect on "why do I feel this way?"
>>574230087>annoying people made me realize i hate annoying people you're fine, friend
>>574230317>sissy-fitness condition doomerhot>he goes off on analitieshot
>>574230087elaborate why you being normal makes you feel like you owe us a confession.also: why are you transphobic? what made you hate the titty skittle goblins?
>>574230032makes my heart hurt
>>574230391>>574230508>>574230607>3 posts in a row each a minute apart saying the exact same thing Not subtle chuddy
Is the aqua knife still the only flower item with a light world equivalent that stays in your inventory
>>574230087The best way to overcome irrational prejudice is to just actually make friends with someone from that group and realize they're human too.
>>574230353Yeah, Pizzapants talks about it in the Light World before you go to Castle Town, he says Asriel and Dess had a band but never practiced so it sounded like shit and he was the only groupie. He also says Kris had actual, real talent with the piano, unlike Asriel and Dess.
>>574230764You dont understand I need to be transphobic on the pro-trans rights game general
>>574230756>fat fingered the reply button on his phonegrim!!
Eww could someone please ban the pedo shitting up the whiteboard?
>>574230764Fuck fuck fuck I grabbed the wrong one second >>574230537
>>574230769It's the only Kris Weapon and the only armor with a Light World equivalent is Noelle's watch so yes
>>574230890I don't use phones, silly.
>>574230830it isn't irrational at all, unlike stuff like racism and homophobia. check the deltarune forums or even the board for trans folx on this very site, they are so despicable
>>574230872It's Noelle then, cuz she can actually sing worth a damn
>>574230087Transphobic as in you hate them based of the fact they are trans or "transphobic" as in the unforgivable crime of disagreeing with their philosophy?
>>574230848*rabbit
>>574230830I'm friends with several trans people including people I originally knew when they were cis and the thing I dislike the most about them is when someone talks about liking something vaguely tranny-coded and they post that picture of the rabbit holding the clock implying it's only a matter of time before the person transes out. I hate that shit
>>574230942how the actual HECK do you miss a reply attempt on a computer??
>>574229897>If Jevil were truly free he wouldn't need to wait for the heroes to come play with him.The key just reveals a door that was already there, he can leave if he wants to but chooses not to. The fight made him realize he would rather be part of things than free away from everyone else, thus he becomes an item as part of the game. Just like the player would be free from the constraints of the game if they just stopped playing, but you obviously want to keep playing because you see meaning in the game itself despite knowing it's a game, so you willingly become an item (the SOUL) to engage with the world. If you view his cell as a true prison, that means he's free after the fight, so why isn't he killing everyone or at least trying to? We know that Spamton can leave our inventory on our own if he wants to, so the same is likely true for Jevil. It's because he accepted the premise of the game and entered the magic circle, the prison that is the world around him, willingly.
>wipes ass>flushing sound
>>574230881>the existance of trannies in a game makes it pro-transyeah and that makes rapelay a powerful game about womanhood (and putting a benes in it)its all about how you interact with it.
>>574231076Same poster here, I should've added what I hate most about trans Ralsei discourse is the idea Flowery is "cracking Ralsei's egg" or that fanart where Ralsei says Kris aren't you a lesbian and Kris says "I'm preordering you"It makes me so uncomfortable
>>574230087You need to learn to love yourself. We accept you
>>574230881i am not pro trans rights and this game has nothing to do with trannies
I want to get eram pregnant
>>574227373better check again, bucko
So did Toby patch in the Mew Mew dialogue literally so people would get off his back of this chapter having zero lore and Mew Mew being weirdly disconnected from the other Shadow Crystal bosses
daily reminder to cherish your goat
>>574231089acute heavy metal poisoning.
>>574230154apparently they give you tp but no I named (player name) something else for maximum roleplay
>>574229897>doesn't make the world any less realIf anything, the world not being a game/simulation makes it less real. At some point, Toby can't write himself out of the implications of his writing. If he does, it's just a contrived story and a red herring to troll the player.>He's obsessed with solving a real-world mystery.He wants to resolve a mystery about mythical fantasylands that very few in Hometown would believe. If he didn't know about these fantasylands, he would have an easier life.
>>574231193>>574231076>>574230087Same poster again. Why does it make me uncomfortable? Because it feels sexual. It feels like obviously a fetish thing. The language they use and how they go about it, it feels like a fetish thing. It's not the idea that Ralsei is despairingly unhappy as a man due to dysphoria and will be happy if he can live truth as a woman It's like oh it would be hot if Ralsei put on the dress and was like "squee this feels... good haha"
>>574231307yes kek
>>574230881What fucking "rights" do trannies not have
>>574230830I'm very capable of hating things, people and the average person in a group of people despite the fact that I know them intimately. Ill-informed and detached hatred is lukewarm compared to intimate hate.
>>574231321many such cases!!>>574231334many such cases!!
At first you think Asgore redermed himself and genuinely loves his family but then you remember he treated his wife and kids the same way he treated the sentint flowers and you realize Kris went too easy on him.
>>574231321
>>574231307No, he did it because he either flat out fucking forgot to add it, or always intended to release it with the first significant bugfix patch. This isn't the first time he's done this, right?
>>574231076Being exposed to them and being friends with them actually makes me like them less and I had a more positive impression of them before that
>>574231076You have to understand that most trannies also hate terminally online trannie and especially "egg timers." Try to help your friends get outside more, go to the mall or something y'know?
>>574230894we love real pedos and defend them here
>>574231307To add new content to Deltarune it has to go through translation and bugtesting so it was almost definitely planned ahead of time
>>574230830desu making friends with trannies is what made me had them. i cant feel anything but hate for people who say retarded shit like priest and nun are genders and sexism doesnt really exist and is based on pronouns and vibes. theyre too retarded overall and i wish half the shit they feared (genocide, camps) was actually true
>>574231307Yes, and it was embarrassing.
>>574230872tenna also said that dess was a musical prodigy and Noelle longed to hear the guitar get played again so i think dess at the bare minimum was good at the guitar
>>574231525>>574231605this lmoa
>>574227397
>>574231424>If anything, the world not being a game/simulation makes it less real. At some point, Toby can't write himself out of the implications of his writingGenuinely I don't understand what this means>He wants to resolve a mystery about mythical fantasylands that very few in Hometown would believeExcept that the "myth" is reality and even then proving it doesn't actually fix anything or make it better. That's kind of the point.
>>574231617>characterization in other scenes Pinks body never spoke more than 2 lines in a row what does this mean
i like trans people and think theyre just normal people with a disability like someone on a wheelchairdo you hate all vegans just because some of them are annoying online? thatd be silly
>>574230508>>574230830Not that guy but, one of my best friends right now is a FtM and I do quite like him a lot and will always support himThough after this discourses I simply would like Ralsei a lot less if he was indeed trans and it'd be very disappointing for me, and that's not something I can overcome
>>574231426it's hot if he puts on the dress and be my princess( male)
>>574231609shut the fuck up Kris you won't even kill Berdly for me unless I do a satanic ritual first. Frisk would've done it on sight
>>574231617>missed the subtext from the hatsune miku lyrics of the Mew Mew body having esoteric knowledge like the other shadow crystal holdeers that Maddie doesn't comprehend
>>574230830If anything its the opposite, like the neonazis that actually lived in white only compounds and left when they realized they hate everyone.
>>574231617Whoever made that image is a fucking retard. Pink's prior characterization was schizophrenic as hell, it's just that she also focused on how wet Kris made her.
>>574231524as far as im aware this is the first time he's patched like RELEVANT lore dialogue into the game? >>574231592that is fair desu but i guess its like one line of dialogue so like you'd probably just need to run it by the translation guy to make sure it comes out right compared to a whole ass chapter.
Trans Noelle is HSTSTrans Ralsei is AGPNoooooticing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RgS8EPs1pQ
>>574231918This Chapter was aggressively on the nose about all of its themes, and somehow it was still too subtle for /v/eddit.
https://files.catbox.moe/645817.mp4
>>574231792uli uli kapooli
>>574230872As a rock musician, I've seen plenty of local bands with extremely talented musicians who sounded like shit together because they neither practiced nor rehearsed so this doesn't mean that much.My money is on "Don't Forget" being sung by Dess with Kris on piano.
i want trans ralsei to be real because femboys dont deserve rights
nice theory you have there can i have some uhhhhhhhhhh literary analysis with it
>>574231792You can openly and respectully disagree with Vegans. Doing so with Trans people will get you ostricized and labeled hateful and evil
CAN YOU GUYS STOP TALKING ABOUT STUPID DUMB CRAP AND START TALKING ABOUT DELTARUNE OR FAVES NOW???1
>>574231972You have the two mixed up
>>574232169I am eating steel-cut oats with cinnamon and maple syrup.
>>574230303TRUTH ROARING
>>574229243Based
Greetings, dear anons.I hope you're having a wonderful day, wherever you are in the world.Chara loves you.
>>574232147No, but I can give you esoteric associations!
>>574231918toby fox expecting me to fucking to listen to fucking vocaloid and also know japanesewhy is he such an aggresive weeb.>>574231992Not that guy but this chapter kinda made me suspect that Deltarune is gonna end with all the Darkners turning back into objects because of Dreamwatchers. Jesus fucking Christ, if that's how the prophecy ends with the dark world forever closed off and everyone reverting back into objects thats gonna be a miserable ending, no wonder Susie hard denies it.
>>574232169ralsei from the popular game of delta rune is eating spaghetti bolognese dinnnnnnner right now
>>574232117i hate both trannies and femboys
>>574231792vegans have never called me a seething racist chud bigot for disagreeing with their headcanon on a deltarune character nor have they made olympic level reaches to justify their terrible reading of the text. trannies are irritating parasites wherever they go
I am concerned for /utg/'s well-being.we had something with ch5 that i haven't seen for a while.i felt a sense of unity, a lot of people felt the same about certain things.but all this has evaporated.feels like /utg/ is the unhappiest it has ever been once the things it wanted came true.mind you, we are at least one half of a year away from ch6 being done programming-wise and a few months of translation and probably some final bugfixes.
>>574231307>Mew Mew being weirdly disconnected from the other Shadow Crystal bossesIf you're retarded maybe
>>574232147
The ending will be good. >Source?I just had the same dream as Toby.>What was it about?You'll have to wait and see.
>>574232147Well in Deltarune cats are the animal most associated with Big Shot Freedom and Kris is the character who we know has a desire for Big Shot Freedom but is deliberately acting inert and refusing to make decisions to the point of giving away their agency over to the player so when they dress up as a Dog, the animal that happily takes orders, we know this is just something they want to be and their true nature is that of a Cat*Smokes pipe thoughtfully*
>>574232169
>>574232374>feels like /utg/ is the unhappiest it has ever beeni am happy though, and you should be trying your best to be happy too
>>574231765>Genuinely I don't understand what this meansI engage less with the story if I know the writer makes red herrings just to trick me.The world can be a game or not but the story must not feel that it's bullshitting you.
>>574232256Chapter 7 normal route will just have us fight all the darkners we recruited in a boss rush like fashion, but without the ability to pacify. So if you recruit a lot of darkners you make the ending even more challenging along with less effective equipment>but why would you fight the-Susie won't let you close the fountains because she want's to keep going on adventures, fulfilling the role of the dragoj and ralsei as the princess, as implied tongue in cheek with chapter 5
>>574231763how mentally ill must you be to jack it to this creature
>>574232526Susie use little tail and switshed away leaves on a stump before sitting down...
>>574231970>as far as im aware this is the first time he's patched like RELEVANT lore dialogue into the game?He did it a few times with Undertale
what nazi zombies map should i play im bored of der riese
>>574232374What did we want that came true
>>574231193I think that reading of the scene is very silly while I do think it has trans Ralsei implications. The "gender essentialist" read on the potential of trans Ralsei I think is at best woefully misguided and at worst bad faith trolling. It's definitely more of a "you shouldn't let a stupid prophecy define you" thing overall and fits in with Ralsei and Susie's arcs over the last two chapters>>574231792This is just being normal and rational anom, don't let anyone tell you otherwise >>574231794Why does ralsei being trans or not matter? How does making your appreciation of the character intrinsically attached NOT being trans make you different than the people whose appreciation of him is now intrinsically attached to him being trans? Ralsei being a tranny or not doesn't matter and it shouldn't affect your overall appreciation of a major character t. ranny
>>574232374>feels like /utg/ is the unhappiest it has ever beenI'd say /funkg/ is more unhappyand we talk about threads outside of /vm/ the dandy's world general
>>574232169I'm trying to find new fave images to use! Can't use the same old every time
>>574232589kiddo... i dont think you belong here *turns on cwitter eye*
Pinks gonna be the one to purify all the shadow crystals because she’s the only one who managed to purify her own lost dream
>>574232615Kino der Toten, obviously
>>574232615what was that map called with the cinema area? was it something "kino" something? i always enjoyed that map.
>>574232540>you should be happy too!its unhealthy to make unrealistic goals for yourself that you know you won't attain.i am serious, though.i feel like i am walking into a weird route castle town.hearing the rudinn tell me how my town's love is cracked.
Whoring my holes out to Flowery-sama for only 5 Flowery Dollars...
>>574232640> How does making your appreciation of the character intrinsically attached NOT being trans make you different than the people whose appreciation of him is now intrinsically attached to him being trans?how would you feel if a tranny character detransed? or a cute girl you’ve liked for years suddenly became a boy, canonically speaking? are you, a tranny, going to lie and say gender doesn’t matter at all? really? fuck off with this
>>574232374we’re full of bait and threadshitters trying to tear the thread apart, it isn’t just happening naturally
>>574232735>>574232742kino is pretty good actually...alright time to play that shit
>>574232717It would be funny as shit if she just kicks Seam out of his shop and completely takes his job overThen we encounter Seam in the next dark world for the most kino Schizoboss yet
>>574232815Is he at least quick about it?
>>574232767achieve happyness! sadness is just prophectslop!
>>574232524you just know Kris got their ass and balls liked by that thing
>Asgore flanderization by obtuse faggots being pushed back on by way more people than I expectedI'm so fucking happy there are people who enjoy and understand him that aren't barafags and secondaries parroting burger truck king memes. Now, if only the fanartists and fanfic guys could catch on>>574232169everyone knows you never discuss vidya on vidya boards
So which dark world will be "dark" and which one will be "greenish"?
>>574232907Have a nice time anon
will deltarune have anything to do with undertale at all or was all of this just a waste of time holding out that there will be some sort of connection or something
How do you guys feel about Papyrus X Mew Mew?
>>574232938No... he makes you work for his flavor...
>>574232963>tiniest spelling errorI LOST
This is implying Susie yelling "RUDE BUSTER" with a voice clip in chapter 7 as the final hit on the mega titan of titans, it's gonna be peak
>>574232646suselle is now undeniably canon, ralsei is now not just a slightly effeminate prince, but a tranny, we got the sequel of ch3 (but somehow even less impactful), kris NTR is starting to become real to spite the self-inserters and weird routers have been CBT'd to sing two octaves higher.i think thread should be happier.
If repping transfem is made canon this is going to go down as the most infamous Hitlerian line in the game and people will demand Toby remove it. It would literally be the player misgendering Kris and Kris fully allowing it, not only that but the casual way it's written feels like many of the lines people headcanon as "what Kris wants to say here"
>>574232374Chapter 5 made me unhappy
>>574232386Don't be a retard. The shadow crystal bosses had a theme of being something you shouldnt do. Gerson did break that theme but instead had the theming of a mythical quest of a hero being undertaken to be tested by an old master pretending to be a fool.Mew Mew has Susie and Ralsei literally mention outside her boss arena "oooo whats behind this door, betcha its a cool secret boss""maybe the boss will have a cool theme or a memorable personality" Joss Whedon type humor bullshit and the battle is mostly a farceLike Jevil, Spamton and Mantle at least tried to be atmospheric same for Gerson. Mew Mew is just "OH MY GOD ANIME"i get the soul vs kris parallels lmao im not a retard but like its just so tonally jarring compared to the other bosses.
>>574232159>>574232373>chuddies engaging their persecution fantasyI've never seen anybody pull this shit that wasn't just an outright bigot from the start. It's never someone who's like "hmm I kinda get this but I don't fully understand and have some objections" it's always some fat loser chud posting "HAHAH 41% FUCK YOU TROONS" and then go "wtf why am I getting in trouble? :< I'm just a heckin smol bean Im being attacked for thinking hecking differently...." >chuddies pretending obnoxious and socially disruptive vegans never existedLol lmao>>574232169I love Deltarune and TV!!!!
>>574232997thgnajkk you :) u 2
Has anyone made any theories based on Flowery showing the same teleporting ability as Sans?
>>574232374i honestly havent noticed any differenceits always been like this really
Good morning PinKris nation how we feeling today
>>574233208ralsei misgenders green and no one gafpeople are more mature than that what matters is ralsei being trans rep when the world is so hostile to trans girls
>>574233252You have no idea who I am and came up with some imaginary scenario in your head that I'm secretly evil.
>>574233332They both just know really good shortcuts. The game explicitly says this multiple times. Have you tried playing it?
>>574233237>My headcanon isn't wrong, Toby isMany such cases
>>574233157Susie...Susie is gonna be so cool to fight. Too bad I won't be able to see her through my fucking tears.
>>574232640>it shouldn't affect your overall appreciation of a major characterI think it kinda does. People find Suselle special because they love they're a girl on girl couple and feel that it matters to them, for example. People have said they find Kris' them pronouns deal important to them. I don't think I can disassociate a character's gender to my enjoyment of them, so would I be wrong to feel disappointed if Ralsei isn't a he anymore? That sounds unfair. I don't believe it makes me any different to them, that's the point. If Ralsei is trans, I lose enjoyment for other people to gain enjoyment. If him being trans doesn't matter then why make him trans in the first place? It might come off as superficial, but it's hard for me to picture Ralsei would be the same character but just a she, and equally as enjoyable. I'm not even attached to the femboy stuff about him, I think it's often kinda cringe, but it just seems to me that if he were trans, that would overshadow everything else I like about Ralsei. He could be the final boss with an epic theme song and I couldn't just forget about the elephant in the room. The fandom wouldn't let me, anyway.
>>574232963Susie's entire character is prophecyslop now. She immediately fell in love with Noelle and then started wearing ribbons, not even a full day after the prophecy said she would.
The queerer the fandom the more annoying it is
Yellow saying "she" makes the orange juice and Ralsei replying "Oh, the cook?" is genuinely bad Deltarune dialogue that breaks conventions. Characters have always intuitively known others' genders before that moment. It's just one of a sea of examples of chapter 5 being written more sloppily than previous chapters.
>>574231617>Concern over an injury leading to talking about what caused that injury, it's implications and trying to impress the importance of avoiding the scary ass demon that caused it is bad writingI am not convinced that 99% of people do not know how to actually write. Also, "Moodal articulation"
>>574233358after the release, i felt a sense of excitement and the discussion ran wild.unfortunately very little theorizing because the chapter has left us with very little leads on what tomorrow brings, but there was honest energy in the thread for two weeks or so.
guys why do they keep talking about marvel and concord and jj abrams and joss whedon and gender identitywhy can't they talk about undertale forwardslash deltarunewhy can't they post undertale backslash deltarune images
>>574233492>People find Suselle specialwho
>>574233237>The shadow crystal bosses had a theme of [headcanon]You're fucking stupid, anonThe "pattern" was broken by chapter 3 but here you are trying to fit square shapes into the triangle hole.If you paid the slightest bit of attention to anything happening on screen you might understand the relevance that Maddie and Pink have to the rest of the game. Ralsei literally fucking says it out loud but that's not enough for you.
Well it's culture war hours...Anyone know good spots to just enjoy Deltarune as it is?
Bros what do we do andrew hated the chapter...
>>574233596The legions of tumblrinas who love and adore it and think Toby fox is spiritually a teenage girl making sure the ship can't be criticized.
>>574233252it’s incredible how quickly you prove their point
>>574233663Hussie would not use such plebeian vernacular as "Fight" and "Flight"
>>574233686I hope this means retards will stop fellating himHe's got wayyyy too big of a head
>>574233583
>>574233393>ralsei misgenders green and no one gafNo he doesn't you just misread a line where he was talking about Orange
Toby's dream was obviously about the Roaring.The dark 'fictional' world escaping into the real world.
>>574233583Gender is part of the plot of the game, whether you like it or not
>>574233663Fact: Each of the Deltarune main cast represents a different fear responseKris is FlightSusie is FightNoelle is FreezeRalsei is FawnSource: I dunno that sounds about right
trans ralsei would be cringe because trannies are cringe, its that simple. i simply dont want my cute fluffy boy in the same box as fat she/its on twitter who cry when a woman flinches at them in public
>>574233663I'm not a homestuck fan but I like how these homestuck styled pieces draw carol
>>574233726NTA but you should reflect on how those people don't like these people by themselves, but like the ship because its gay.its self-inserting, but the womanly variant. because women have the affinity for the chair.
>>574233475why would (you) cry anon? aren't (you) gonna be happy? won't (you) be excited? by the time of the vs Susie battle (you) will be free
>>574232970I am genuinely relieved that Chapter 5 treated Asgore so good. Everything about him was awesome
do not open, contains a cock.
>>574232853>are you, a tranny, going to lie and say gender doesn’t matter at all? really? fuck off with thisThats not at all what I'm saying; what I'm saying is that my appreciation of a character does not begin and end at their in-born qualities. I love Ralsei because he's Ralsei. Ralsei being a boy or not doesn't really change that. I think there are beautiful story telling opportunities that Ralsei will be apart of going forward that are being set up and one of them may be a trans allegory. Way before I ever even considered trooning in the stone age (2018) something in my gut told me we might get that when Ralsei took the hat off, don't ask me why. Still, whether or not that gut feeling is correct doesnt dictate my overall love and appreciation for that character. I'll ask again: how are you any different than the trannies who now obsess over the idea of Ralsei transitioning? Why does it really matter?
>>574233787No nigga they'll just say the chapter was bad.Most people who enjoy deltarune watch others play it.As with any fandom.
>>574233832this is only funny if youre underage
>>574232597deltarune hasnt had any rereleases in comparison but I see your point.>>574233453If you literally cannot see how Mew Mew is different from the other shadow crystal holders you might be stupid. Hell Mew Mew literally doesnt have a broken dream associated with her black shard>Jevil wanted to be free but ended up caging himself and spending who knows how long >Spamton lost literally everything in his life>Gerson hoped that Alvin would write his own stories and step out of his shadow but never told him thatWe dont really know what the knight is but like since the knight is made of broken dreams we can assume that like that must be a lot of broken dreams.Mew Mew in comparison like completely achieves her goal of getting a new body and living in castle town content with her new form? Like, this gets established this chapter, what the fuck is Mew Mew's failed dream?
>>574233686hussie? the old faggot needs to accept he's pushing 50 and sit down somewhere
>>574233997It put a smile on my face. Its a guilty pleasure
>>574233952At this point we just have to accept a huge chunk of people like characters and ships because they're self inserting, and you can't fight against self-inserters.All the discourse "you can't self insert as Kris that's literally the point" is the most bogus bullshit ever. There's nonbinary sixteen year olds on twiter right now saying how Kris is literally them.
>>574232970What the fuck are you talking about
>>574233237>The shadow crystal bosses had a theme of being [headcanon]>Gerson did break that themeI don't think further comment is really necessary, but you need to stop trying to fit new information into old theories born out of a lack of information. the shadow crystal bosses are all about Kris anyway it's obvious now
>>574233832this is equally as funny as all the very corny coming out mock screenshots trans folx have made so not very
>>574234021>Mew Mew does not have a broken dreamDIDN'T READ THE DIALOGUE IN A DIALOGUE-HEAVY GAME AWARDHey idiot why are we even able to win the fight against Maddie and why does she insist on fighting us right up til the very end?
>>574234021>He still thinks the Shadow Crystals are from the Darkners' dreams
>>574232386>>574233237>The shadow crystal bosses had a theme of being something you shouldnt do.A lightner pretending to be a darkner to escape from her miserable life to watch a forbidden temporary sunset and escape from her miserable powerless life as a ghost that can't do anything fits your description completely doesn't it. There's the Kris soul thing but Ralsei also scolds her to stand up for the Body darkner, as was set up when we redecorate his room. The only point of the fight is that you help someone shrug off the crystal's power, like Gerson taught you you could do prior. But since some people aren't fans of the uplifing tone, they even thought the fact the Mad Ghost didn't know what the cyrstal was meant the boss never used it. Some even dumber people think Pink the Shopkeeper and Pink the boss are different characters. Even though this was set up in Chapter 2.
I like ralsei with cock and balls and him being feminine is part of the appeal. If he transitions not only it would be just another girl but it would also ruin an already perfect character.
Fish I wish
>>574234094Cuntham
>>574234283Who cares about Poo Poo
>>574233975It was the perfectly logical conclusion of his character; you get to see his extremes and the catharsis of him letting go of his dreams of seeing his family whole again for the good of Kris and everyone else was like hand-made for me. Kris and Asgore also LOVE EACH OTHER, they care so much it's killing them, Asgore's self-hate and guilt isn't meant to be taken as (pure) abuse, but rather, a parllel to Kris' own feelings and it drives me nuts people don't get it, but many more seem to compared to peak UT fandom 10 years ago
Its actually crazy that genuinely everything ch5 added to the discourse was bad.
>>574234382>just another girlPersonally speaking, I am fond of girls
the intruder ghost ruined my quirk chungus anime girl
>>574234021Oh also I'll stop replying after this but>implying Pink has a BLACK SHARDI'm not just being a jerk, you genuinely need to actually read and comprehend the text on screen if you're gonna discuss this game
>>574233069thats papyrus with papyrus though
>>574234479There's two girl characters in the main cast already, do you really have to take away the only boy left?
>>574234417>Kris and Asgore love each otherKris doesn't love Asgore. >You threw the flowers on the ground like the trash they were >It's you wearing a cowboy hat, sitting on someone's lap
>>574234021>Mew Mew literally doesnt have a broken dream associated with her black shardDidn't even play the game. The bar is that low.
>>574234556Yes. The more the merrier
>>574234441right? genuinely such a shit chapter
>>574234441It improved weird route discourse I think.
>>574234161i agree.i felt this attitude the community has to be unbearable.>I LIKE SUSELLE BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY LIKE ME>I LIKE MEW-MEW BECAUSE I TOO HAVE SUICIDAL IDEATION!>i want kris to get with his sweet-heart*vinyl scratch*>WOW. are you like erm self-inserting AS THE CHARACTER THAT (YOU) are inserted into?!it is this duality of acceptance only exists if you are gay enough, because the fandom will find it okay to draw kriselle for as long kris is made a woman, suddenly they/them is only on the tin but a she/her is in the can, but have meltdowns drawing kriselle as ... normal?the natural reaction to this ignorance was weird route art, which put emphasis on the dysfunctionality of a straight pairing.
Abusing Flowery!https://files.catbox.moe/d96onl.png
what if susie was dicking around in the woods and she found dess's completely decayed skeleton and she just thought it was a cool deer skeleton and took the skull home and kept it in her room and noelle kept begging to visit Susie in her room until she finally relented and didn't think twice about the familiar looking antlers on the cool thing she keeps in the corner of her room
One thing I'm hoping is that when we get to Seam they'll explain what dreams all the shards we got were from
>>574234690The main results of Side B for the discourse was simulation theory and Kriselle knight theory. Dogshit.
>>574233237The bit of commenting on Kris's struggle for autonomy was already done much better by Spamton anyway, and it was actually taken seriously by the characters, because Toby used to be a semi-competent writer five years ago.
>>574234586>still thinks that text is specific to the flowers, or even that the text happens every timeI'll revise my statement: EVERYONE needs to learn more about the game in general if they're gonna bother discussing it
Spamton's a fucking dick.I'm glad he's trapped in purgatory inside fangamer plushies that I can torture.
>>574234762I like them so they're good.
>>574234021The figure had the crystal as soon as the dark world started because it was a dream vessel that Maddie couldn't have before now. The same reason that the NEO body had a crystal (NOT Spamton.)
Can we go back to talking about how carolfag was the artschizo all this time?That was an interesting development.
>>574234731why does he have a c-section scar
>>574232374>feels like /utg/ is the unhappiest it has ever been
>>574234768what else do you expect from a rushed sovless meme boss
>>574234852bc he is a herm
>>574234382You’re straight.>bbbbut im gay…Straighty straight straight.Hetero.You like kissing women don’t you.
>>574230894carolanon’s already out to get our new noellecute omfg
>>574233681in select small groups of friends
>>574234942>he's an erm.
>>574233407You people are dime-a-dozen automatons rambling off the same script as each other, it's really not that deep and you're not as stealthy as you think you are. Everyone knows what a miserable tool you are.>>574233492>People find Suselle special because they love they're a girl on girl couple and feel that it matters to themWell sure but the overall arc of the suselle romance has nothing to do with them being two girls. Their love and relationship is not treated any different than one would expect a heterosexual relationship to be and in general hometown doesn't have any prejudice against this. Their love isn't a superficial act of rebellion or a youth experiment in the context of the story, it's just two teens dating. >I don't think I can disassociate a character's gender to my enjoyment of themI really don't get this. What about any of these characters necessitates they have one gender or another?> If Ralsei is trans, I lose enjoyment for other people to gain enjoymentWhy do you let a narrative choice have that much power over you? Why would an element of the character meaning more to other take something away from you? > If him being trans doesn't matter then why make him trans in the first place?Well why DOES it matter in the first place? I'm of the mind that whether or not it happens doesn't matter even if I think it would work with his character arc. His character arc doesn't magically not work if he isn't tho>I think it's often kinda cringe, but it just seems to me that if he were trans, that would overshadow everything else I like about RalseiAsk yourself why a single word and quality has that much power over you. How would you feel if Ralsei became a black male human at the end of the story?
It's sad to me, genuinely, that so many people weren't able to enjoy the chapter because they were so annoyed by the initial suselle scenes. Like, damn, this is the most fun and most moving the game has ever been. And they can't appreciate it, because lesbians, feeling "cucked," whatever.
>>574233069It's pretty great. But it bothers me people draw both of them taking their heads off. Can Pap do that at will? Isn't that how you kill him in UT???
>>574233781yeah he'd do something like "FLIT" instead of FIGHT and noelle would attempt to get past carol with the "HOLIDAY NINJA STYLE YOUTH ROLL MANEUVER" and carol would counter it with the "MATERNAL INSTINCT ARCTIC-PARRY" where she turns the AC to incredibly low temperatures to freeze her in place and move her back
>>574234961i just like ralseiif ral had a pussy i would eat that shit out until he died from pleasure
>>574229609AN ANGEL! A CUTIE! This is doe so precious
>>574234768>it was actually taken seriously by the charactersThis is the worst thing that chapter 5 failed to do.
>>574235046i guess you have to be normal to feel feelings and understand what things imply.
>>574234830Fills my Spamton with milk and SLAMS AGAINST THE $$$$-ING GROUND
Are the ryonafags moids or foids here?
>>574234205viral, completely serious tweet about Asgore being an incel who hates and abuses his family and him being a creep to his ex-wife is worse than idk murdering kids or trying to end the world. >>574234586>threw them on the ground like the trash they wereKris knew they were being wasted on Toriel AND he doesn't have to love that part of Asgore. The implication of the screensaver is that Asgore is cropped out of the picture by Toriel and the narration can also be taken as the brokenness of the family and not necessarily as Kris' feelings on Asgore. Asgore's self-hatred and isolation is meant to parallel with Kris, and you're still obviously meant to take Kris as a foil/parallel to Chara, who is implied to favor Asgore and be close to him. This whole chapter is about love, and the complicated feelings around it, and I think it's more reasonable to say that Kris has a complicated, but deep and true love for his father than to say he hates him outright because of two pieces of dialogue.
>>574234283>>574234618Pink fuses with the body, the body separates over different needs and wants over the course of the fight. Please fucking stop acting dramatic. I know what happened. I'm saying that Mew Mew achieves what she wanted in comparison to the other Shadow Crystal Holders who objectively failed at what they set out to do. Except the Knight but like we have very little info the extrapolate about the knight>>574234525the body literally hands us a shadow crystal at the end of the fight, though for some reason it says that she didn't know where she got it from. Gerson sorta implies he got it from somebody else but didnt use it.>>574234846Okay you know what I appreciate you saying this cuz I futzed that connection. It was mettaton's dreams that were broken but idk why the connection with pink is harder for me to make because if Mettaton was in the cyber dark world and had a shadow crystal still after fusing with the neo body I'd find it weird given Mettaton still achieved his dreams. I guess broken dreams therefore CAN be mended.>>574234337That isn't exactly what I was referring to. The first three bosses were more akin to doing something "wrong" from the player's perspective. Like everyone warns
>>574235257groids
>>574232247Thank you, hope you're doing well too.
>>574234986Why are the whiteboards and pippins still allowed to exist in the thread?
I wish I could draw...
>>574235046Suselle is disgusting to me and Blue and Yellow is disgusting to me
Honestly no matter how the susie noelle thing turns out or anything else I think this singular frame of Kris looking down before walking off is the most interesting part about that credit scene.Sure you can meme uhh hes cucked uhhh its so over for him but I genuinely can't tell what emotion this most realistically is. Jealousy? The feeling of being an outcast? Pain knowing what he has to do? Some form of staring into space knowing he's no longer needed? It makes me so excited to see what the next chapter offers. Sure lorewise and stuff but also just what Kris ends up doing. Even if it was written off, the fact he almost got caught making the fountain, the laziness of just putting us in a balloon.. Ythink hes getting sloppy?
Susie's pussy
>>574235314>will pipp-plappers be allowed to existno?
dude mother 3's ending is dumb as helltoby likes this shit?
>>574235314Gives the insecure shit stain carolfag something to gloat over the posters with
>>574234586>>You threw the flowers on the ground like the trash they wereThis is the generic "throwing things away" flavor text that's existed since Undertale
>It actually was a raid yesterday>Still got warned for reporting themJerks.
>>574235046The thing that baffles me is how many people are suddenly calling the entire game bad just because a new chapter came outThere were people who didn't like Deltarune before, but it feels like they want to shit on the entire thing just because they feel the new chapter was badly written. But even then, the only criticism I've seen is people not understanding how the story works at all. Is it just new players that don't get it? I assumed it was tourists shitting the place up because of politics, but it doesn't feel like that. Did everyone just get lead poisoning? Is there a new brain tumor going around?
I liked Chapter 5 but it has been a disaster for the thread and doesn't give me hope for how the thread will be when Chapter 6 comes out
>>574235360I am not even going to argue, this look to the side is contemplative.if you disagree, i will fuck your throat platonically.howeverthough: WHAT is being contemplated is up for debate. and you have already said a good few reasons why.
>>574235473if it makes you feel any better, the deltarune ending won't be mother 3's because toby said he doesn't know if the ending will be good and he liked mother 3's ending
I have to go. I have to stop interacting with Deltarune fandom. It's too infuriating. There's too many secondaries and self inserters and teenagers and etc. There is no way to find [Communion] in this community. It's impossible. I can't get joy discussing Deltarune with other people anymore. It was different before ch5 even if it was hard. People were focused on stuff like Dess and what the final prophecy panel was and what's sword route doing and what's ERAM etc. Now it's which relationship will work out, is Kris engineering the relationships, is Ralsei trans, did the writing standard change, did all their memories get implanted into them Last Thursday, is Susie brainwashed, is Noelle evil. I'm tired. Goodbye.
*leaves pipis all over the carpet*
>>574235360Kris knows that Susie's world is about to fall apart and that they're responsible for it, it's massive guilt combined with all the fucked feelings that come from their crush on Susie and unresolved shit with NoelleKeep in mind that while Susie is doing all this setup in Castle Town she has no idea what's up with Noelle's dad because Kris kept that information from her
>>574234382There is virtually no difference these days between femboys and trannies and they're expected to act identically in a relationship
>>574235632See ya next week
>>574235632see you next week
>>574234220What does Gerson have to do with Kris then cuz Kris literally doesn't do shit during that fight since that fight entirely orbits Susie's shit. I know Kris likes Susie but like the entire thing is all about Susie and gassing up how Susie can change everything.>>574234296That works for Maddie and Spamton, Gerson too since he was given it but didnt want to use it. I guess the Knight's a lightner? Does that mean the Knight's been handing out the Shadow Crystals? I guess it does fit the meta aspect of the Knight being able to ignore Flowery's stats.
>>574235624I like your vocabulary and would platonically allow you to fuck my face silly.Thats a good point though. Hes definitely spaced out for a sec, thinking about something, whether thats planning, deciding, some emotion, I have NO idea but it does make me excited. I wanna learn more about this little shit because my god did I want his ass to get caught after both Flowery and Asgore paid the price and he STILL was about to rip the code apart.
>>574235764>>574235765Hivemind theory
>>574235360the time to execute whatever the plan is TM has come is almost there. susie is in her delusions and prime to be sacrificed as the girl. the only contingency left in the plan who can screw things up is still (you)
>>574235127This is one of the few fights where Ralsei doesn't become a pile of fluff just so he can deliver this line. The fact they joke about it at the beginning doesn't mean they don't take it seriously.>>574234768The tone is just completely different. Instead of seeing Spamton's frankenstein ass being fall apart and fail, you see a soul and body reaching an understanding. Kris has seen it doesn't have to end badly, and then she fucking kisses him. Weird moment for him to piss himself with fear like with Spamton. Wouldn't make sense.
>>574235632Toby cultivated it, he wanted the hordes of underage tumblr retards
>>574235764>>574235765He will be back tomorrow.
>>574235034No I'm telling you you you are completely wrong about me and are completely making assumptions about me. Which is ironic since you were accusing people have having headcanons about strangers
>>574235046The real cuckoldry is being holding such naive and childish views that superficial qualities cause you to isolate yourself from new experiences. It's sadly the case for many people and you just have to accept that many of them are mentally ill and WANT to feel that way
>>574235562It made people realize the whole thing sucked. Don't bother asking me why because you aren't ready for that converstion.
>>574235787The Knight isn't responsible for the Shadow Crystals, the whole quest involves breaking off from the path the Knight has laid out, getting a bunch of power from it and also actually fighting back against the Knight instead of just taking a fall in chapter 3
>>574235360Kris Kross-Applesauce...I want to make this kid not be suicidal.
>>574235473the original ending was a more unambiguous "everyone dies" ending iirclucas is still reeling from having learned his brother is still alive, kills himself in front of him, and now his dad is probably dying too, all within a span of about 10 minutes, his heart gets passed on to the dragon, and that has about the results you would expecti am not bothering to verify that my memory is accurate though
The moment where Toby became irredeemable
>>574235360To me, I see it as a sort of resignation/shame, not too much different to him looking away from drunk Toriel. He probably feels guilty as fuck for letting his dad get kidnapped and he not only feels isolated, but deserving of it as well for working with the Knight and behind everyone's backs.
>>574235718>she has no idea what's up with Noelle's dad because Kris kept that information from heroh thats a VERY good point. It could easily be letting Susie experience one last bit of joy before either the reality of the prophecy or even just Noelles situation hitting her full force in the face. Would go hand in hand with the last fun adventure in ways beyond just the prophecy picking up.>>574235839So its more of a last little bit of resolve before he marches on as he does before it fades to black? Thats a cool interpretation too, anon! Theres so many good things to conclude from this I cant choose..
Good morning my /utg/ friends!! when is the Minecraft server coming back up the first thing I did after getting on my computer was check it and It's still down!!!!>>574173089Also CUTE!!!!!!!!!!!! I love them all so much awww my little Chinepin... so moe.
>>574235787Nobody hands out the shadow crystals, they form naturally. Gerson's crystal is likely from Alvin. Jevil likely took his crystal from Seam like he stole the Shadow Mantle and gave it to King who is a handmade plushie and had a crystal from the failed dream of whomever made them probably Dess.
>>574235120Thank you anon!
So when does the rune go delta
>>574235562I saw some people use cheat engine to beat the chapter. I saw more tabbing out every 5-10 minutes to complain about how XYZ thing feels "out of place" or "like a fangame" or "wrong".The answer is these people are basically secondaries or even tritaries who don't care about the gameplay to actually try OR the story to actually sit down and engage with it. It's "person who asks what's happening in the movie every 5 minutes" behavior. They're there, but not THERE.They also can't accept the chapter is supposed to be the last fun adventure and got hung up on a bunch of shit that didn't matter. They somehow take the story deadly seriously while also not engaging with it at all, or calming down and realizing "This is the fun/comedic part". It's this insane self contradictory behavior.
>>574235721COCK AND BALLS NIGGA IT'S THE FIRST THING I SAID
>>574235864>Weird moment for him to piss himself with fear like with Spamton. Wouldn't make sense.Kris should be terrified knowing that their only options are to either die or make out sloppy style with the SOUL
>>574236112Thats ALSO a good interpretation hot damn. More wallowing in self-loathing as it only NOW hits what the fuck he did with his dad, maybe even the regret that of all things even NOELLE is becoming a part of this now which, from what i recall, he I think tried to ESPECIALLY keep away from all it? Im not a shippingfag so I'll not say out of love, but probably due to prophecy/childhood complicated history shenanigans
>>574235796the moment was underlined with the thickest emotional paint ever.these scenes are supposed to be wholesome, and if you like suselle, you probably think so, but instead this scene literally slapped me across the face so hard that my ears would've began to ring. why does doing the right thing hurt more than its opposite?I still remember the words i used when i first commented on it and these words haunt me.
>>574187973Also sorry I forgot to reply I'm a bit dizzy from waking up but thank you so much that means a lot to me!!! my cold is better I'm just the normal amount of nauseous I usually am after sleeping but I'll be ok and will lock-in soon, I will cherish this post it made me smile aww thank you anon...
>>574235034>Ask yourself why a single word and quality has that much power over you. How would you feel if Ralsei became a black male human at the end of the story?perfectly fine. i have black friends, i hate trannies. racism is something that actually matters
If you can't understand how the chapter with the quirky little flowers who get one day to live and spend it following their dreams even if they can't accomplish them relates to the previous chapter which was about how there's going to be a really bad awful thing coming up your save = bricked
I don't want to stay in Kris's body... we do not deserve to be forced in a body of a traitor of my friends.
>>574236101pretentious artsy fuckers always be like>kill all the characterslike that's intelligent or interestingthats probably why it ended up getting changed to be more ambiguous
>>574236289I do agree that the weird route felt very fan-gamey. But not derogatory, more in a "I CANNOT believe this is the actual real official chapter 5" from the sheer insane atmosphere it pulled. It felt like a more psychological horror take on that one deltarune horror game in the best way possible
>>574235285>Pink fuses with the bodyThey never truly fuse though. The body just lets Pink do her thing most of the time. She was the one with the crystal, which is why she knows about the cat pack and sung a schizo song full of profecies.>the body literally hands us a shadow crystal at the end of the fightSo that's not the body, that's the Mad Ghost thinking and speaking. Which is in control most of the time except when she speaks with Pink letters.>I'm saying that Mew Mew achieves what she wanted in comparison to the other Shadow Crystal Holders who objectively failed at what they set out to doMettaton seems closer to achieving his tech based dream of a body when you give him Tenna. Gerson's whole thing is trying to get his son to take up writing and not give up on his dreams. Pink manages to find some happiness she never got in the real world by getting along with Ory and promising to take care of the flowers. The point of these progressively happier endings is to show Hopes and Dreams are never truly lost and the sadness of the crystals can be defeated.
>>574236119it's so strange that there's discussion going on here. as a /v/ refugee of the deltarune threads I was told you guys were degenerate weirdos. glad to be proven wrong
>>574236338They both treat their cock and balls the same exact way
>>574236031See that's the issue. The Knight is definitely made of the same material as the shadow crystals especially given the black shard and the crystals are made of a similar substance. So what the fuck is the knight related to the shadow crystals then beyond the knight being assumably "made" of broken dreams. >>574236176You know what, that's a fair reading. I haven't heard it layed out like that. I still wonder if Asriel has been to the dark world given he has an image of Seam on his computer.
>what if ralsei is a black manisn't he already?
>>574235562A lot of people couldn't accept Jojolion was bad story until it ended.
>>574235787>What does Gerson have to do with Kris then cuz Kris literally doesn't do shit during that fight since that fight entirely orbits Susie's shitYes Gerson himself mostly works with Susie but Gerson's place in the shadow crystal quest represents Kris reaching out to a higher power, whether that means "summoning the demon," the players intervention or both. I'm not saying Gerson IS the demon, I'm saying his wisdom, mentality and being "from beyond the grave" represent a stage in kris's life/experience in the timelines where they were begging for answers they couldn't find themselves. The same way Jevil represents a younger Kris/early timeline Kris, Spamton represents the weird route, and the Mantle represents (or rather is) the repression of kris's past cruelties and violence. It also lines up because mew mew represents our current situation of consciousness and body split and needing to come to an understanding to proceed>Does that mean the Knight's been handing out the Shadow Crystals?This is fanon. The crystal Gerson says someone "left for him to use" in his desk are Alvin's owns discarded dreams. Gerson never used the shadow crystal because his son's dreams aren't his to fulfill. The crystals spawn on their own and the one the knight likely came into being the same way all the other ones did
>>574236636I drew Susie pissing in kris's mouth in the white board and kris with a dog cunt once.
>>574233992ralsei is actually, canonically a boy, for starters. i don’t want him to become something elsethis is big difference from trannies who claim to love him when what they really love is themselves, to the point of warping his narratives to fit their politics.
>>574236746he would steal your bike
>>574236108Susie was being a smug jerk but honestly I get it, catti had been antagonistic to her previously so it’s to be expected. Noelle was the bitch in this situation, just clamming up and not explaining how susie isn’t that bad or whatever. Kris could have done the same more discreetly at some point too. Anyway, 4G a pound.
>>574236424Mhm, I agree! Comparing it to the weird route, the comically evil route essentially the weird route was shocking in the most exciting way possible, while the normal route just.. Everything post Flowers death just felt wrong? Maybe not wrong but ominous, something was off. I know shippingfags would go and say yeah well duh its all gonna fall apart for the yurishit but no I think in general, if you think about it in a meta way, too. A 4 man party? Yeah right. Something is not adding up, and we can't but wait and see once it releases.
>>574236748This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrkQdid5VxMid like to imagine kris is the one who's playing on a piano during the credits
>>574236289There are people who were touring here admitting to using cheat engine and never actually playing the game themselves. It was a real wakeup call.
>>574236608>So that's not the body, that's the Mad Ghost thinking and speakingSmall correction, the ghost says the body is the one who wanted to give you the crystal
>>574236636To be fair I hover around here for like an hour a day. More often than not just seek this out when I have a really burning realisation (like the one with Kris just now) on my mind because arguably, if people bother to engage with it, this is a really fun place to discuss and see other interpretations to add to my own. I, too, draw bad noelle art sometimes on the whiteboard though.
I can't believe people didn't connect to the Flowers emotiionally. Like, you connected with Queen and Berdly, but not Aqua and Seth? Just... what???
>>574236748>>574236863NTA but It was good up till Jobin died, Araki spent a decade hyping up the rock humans and then just dropped the ball by not making the main villain interesting at all, he showed us he could make good and interesting rock humans with Dolomite and Damo, Toby Fox won't just lose interest in Deltarune like Araki did with Jojolion, so far Toby has not done a single wrong decision aside from shafting Berdly.
>>574235352.>>574235972Incredibly based.
>>574236841Fun fact: At no point in the Light World does Kris defend Susie or tell anyone that she's actually a wonderful person aside from NoelleI'm not sure if it's because they need Susie isolated for The Promise or because they're just kind of a passive aggressive coward or whatever
>>574236452I'll assume you ignoring everything else is a concession of the points and I accept it. >>574236824>Ralsei is a boyAgreed>I don't want him to become something elseWell okay so will you deny the canon if Ralsei becomes explicitly trans? You're not a trans mew mew denier too are you?>this is big difference from trannies who claim to love him when what they really love is themselves, to the point of warping his narratives to fit their politicsThe irony here is palpable. So if toby wrote it that Ralsei wasn't a boy anymore would you stop loving him because he's not like you anymore? How would that be different than the trannies?
>>574236593The entire chapter is absurd in the best way possible, but that's why it go such a violent anti-reaction. "It feels like a fangame" BECAUSE of how absurd and crazy it is... WHICH IS THE POINT! I can get people being upset there "wasn't more story" or whatever, but it's more an extremely loud minority who hated it and the people who liked it either aren't speaking out because they don't want to draw the ire of those people or don't care to speak out because, well, they're posting art and other stuff about it and having fun. There's nothing to "defend".It's absurd, and that's why it's great. It's the last gasp of "HEY GUYS AREN'T WE HAVING FUN?" before the story starts to become way less comedic. Plus, Undertale did the same thing, it's just that these people forget or never played it in the first place. Omega Flowey comes out of fucking nowhere as well, and is absolutely absurd, but there's still more story after that which is the best part of the game.Doesn't help that every person that vocally really dislikes chapter 5 is really annoying to me, and cares about shit that doesn't matter, like the Susie gentrification joke. Like dude, it's not that fucking serious. Chill out.
you ever just hug your pillow really hard and pretend it’s fave? for me it’s kris
>>574237117You're still a tranny
stupid baka chibis
i still don't believe you can truly enjoy deltarune if you haven't played undertale before
>>574237071I noticed that too watching some reactions to try and relive the sheer hype i had for the release night. A lot of them just dont.. react? I found like 1 out of 20. I literally spent like 10 minutes just standing and listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkAa3zc4rlUwhen I first beat Mew in the flower item room.When it then played as they thanked us for watching their dreams, into the Knight battle hype into Flowerys death I was an emotional wreck lmao. I still cant listen to Flower Man without the hype immediately crashing into knowing what comes right after that song.
>>574236989Right you are yeah in that instance, mistake on my part but it further proves the body's darkner is happily submerged and may have used and known what the crystal is whereas Maddie doesn't.
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>>574237239i want to sniff their hair toby give me life sized plushie
>>574237071Why would you be emotionally connected to that disgusting faggot Blue?
>>574237239Humping my pillow and pretending it's Ralsei
I can't wait for the game to end so I can see people who played Deltarune entirely before Undertale
>>574235034>has nothing to do with them being two girls.I can't see that because I don't believe two teen girls dating works the same way as a boy and a girl dating or two boys dating. It's particularly special to the audience who likes seeing girls date, after all. I don't think Suselle being a lesbian ship is superficial and the only reason people like it, but the lesbian part isn't negligible.>What about any of these characters necessitates they have one gender or another?I dunno, the game has piles of flavor text calling him "Fluffy Boy" and how cute *he* is, isn't the game telling me this particular trait is something to be enjoyed?Heck the plot of the game is a prophecy about THE GIRL, a gendered role so important it's dictating the fate of the world.>Why do you let a narrative choice have that much power over you?But is it important or not? If it's not important then why do it in the first place, and if it is important how could I ignore it? I don't see how the way you literally call the character with words isn't something powerful. >Ask yourself why a single word and quality has that much power over you.I don't know precisely. I see the people who were celebrating with trans Ralsei art on twitter and tumblr and reddit and my impression is they are so overwhelmingly invested in this part of his character, they're ignore everything else. So if it happened, I guess we'd have long scenes with exposition he wants to be a girl and change his pronouns and have a big party and now Ralsei is wearing a pink dress as his default sprite for the rest of the game, or something like that. He won't do anything cool because the culmination of his character is transitioning now. It just feels overwhelming and sets aside everything else I'm more interested in him I guess? I might be letting the fandom warp my vision of the game and fail to see the game for what it actually is.
>>574235542janjans don't like having to do their jobs when it doesn't involve rubbing their round bellies with schadenfreude
>>574236841The susie simping is gross i swear only ralsei doesnt throat her
>>574237398because he's a zesty blue nigga who fucks cowboys in the showers at flower castle
>>574237116It makes no sense that Susie says "someone who can fight." and then says we need to bring Noelle to dark worlds. Susie has no reason to believe Side A Noelle can fight. She gets scared by fucking Alphys this chapter. >She just wants to bring her girlfriendThen the dialog should reflect that. That was the worst most nonsensical thing Susie could say to justify the situation. This is only one moment but I offer it as a microcosm of a bunch of messier writing in ch5
>>574237239every night i cuddle up with my pillow and pretend its noelle
i gotta be honest and say i don’t even get the cuck memes wrt suselle. kriselle is objectively more interesting and better written, suselle has nothing going on but being a lesbian ship. and to be honest since it’s 2026 and not 2003 that isn’t even super remarkable
>>574237402twin
>>574237071Aqua and Seth are decent, the rest are straight up scrimblos besides Blue. I don't like that Blue is attracted to Yellow because Yellow acts like he has a mental disability while Blue is the smartest flower. It's weird.
>>574237318I genuinely don't know what to make of it. Banging soundtrack, awesome characters, incredible gameplay, touching and powerful story... and you get the most mixed reaction so far. Did people really like those stupid looking image_friend battle concepts that much? Where it's just an Undertale battle sprite lazily transplanted into Deltarune and everybody dies and blood comes out of the screen? Did we really want to watch Asgore beat his children?
>>574237213EXACTLY. Its insanely hard to find the line between doesnt really give a shit at all or cares so autistically hard they get their everyday life wrecked from like Noelle not sucking Kris off mid weird-route this chapter.>because of how absurd and crazy it isThis especially. In this landscape of mystery games like these where its mostly just trying to do what noone expects to be coy, to have something that basically just DOUBLES DOWN on the schizo shit and goes oh yeah the lake? yeah you know what? fucking GO there. NOW. Oh btw? Device theory? Lmao fuck YOU heres gasters monitor. See you at the end of the game faggot" is just so refreshing I cant help but adore it.
>>574237453>I might be letting the fandom warp my vision of the game and fail to see the game for what it actually is.That's how Toby treats the characters because he knows how to pander to the retarded teenagers on twitter
pls post some fanart like this with beautiful skies and scenery
>>574236289shit like this makes me want to go read books or somethinghaving no visuals at all doesn't filter everyone but it sure filters the worst of the actual zombies i would think
>>574237242I'm a faggot who loves Ralsei and I'm getting everything I want. Sucks to be you cuckboy
We will be doing this to one lucky /utg/ poster tomorrow
>>574236608You know, I should have made that connection given we progressively hype up Seam who had given up all hope in life till we collect all the shadow crystals and dude is fucking ecstatic at the hope that life can change. This game fucking hates pattern recognition given how many times Toby fucking SWERVES shit so every chapter you have to throw out your old ideas and make room for the new ones. It's annoying but eh, what can you do. Sorry if I'm coming across antagonistic, I genuinely think better when I can get somebody to bounce shit off me. >>574236770The Eggs are also related to Kris' past arent they given they're evidence and we'll know when to use them. Ominous but I am interested. Still curious as to who the demon is best guesses we have are what since Friend probably is a mindless asshole that leaves Nightmare/Eram who's explicitly tied to Kris' repressed violent tendencies, going the cop out "GASTER BULLSHIT" and I've heard people even throw out the Knight as a possible demon candidate. I guess the Knight does have a "demon heart" but like idk i kinda hate that. I guess there's also us?Anyway good read. I guess this does line up wth the Eggs being also tied to Kris' past so the secret route allows us to understand what Edgy Smurf is thinking a little. I guess I'm supposed to surmise from Aqua's similarities to Jevil and transitive property that connection to Kris?
>>574237632How are you disturbed by a dumb character being in love...? Like he's clearly just a goofball. This is such a bizarre take
>>574236378It can't be helped. We are inevitable, we are coming, and his blue ass is gonna enjoy every second of it.
>>574237729You're a pedophile then?
>>574237545it's because the people posting about suselle and dunking on people calling them cucks are themselves fans of kriselle/krusie who were so mindbroken by the game that they had a breakdown and started calling everyone else cucks to not have to confront the reality that their ship isn't canon anymore and that makes them feel bad for some reason
skyleri am the one who deltarunes
>>574237071I was kind of getting a little tired of them by the end but the "Thank you for watching our dream" really tied it all together and made some of the shit that dragged on matter way less. >>574237257I swear every piece of official press (not counting newsletters) says 'PLAY UNDERTALE BEFORE DELTARUNE' and people still don't do it >>574237634Too much theorizing and short-form content slop altering perceptions of the game and turning it into something it's not
>>574237782Because when Blue and Yellow hug it feels like a parent in child in terms of relative intellectual levels
>>574237375Tennafags power is unmatched
>>574237683I posted this last night but since you asked! very pretty sky in yours!!!>>574237886Tenna deserves to win he only has us while Senshi is loved in-universe already...
>>574237782Learn a new fucking trick why don't you
Another red flag, 3 days, it took 3 days for her to fall in love with me, my mom, NagWench, warned me that this girl be cray. I flirted a bit to test the waters with my toe. The bearded octopus lashed out with all eight arms to drag me to the underworld to do unspeakable acts with all my orifices. Never to be seen again... However, I was no saint myself. Due my romantic starvation, I was a beat myself. A bloodstarved bear insistent on smothering her and not letting her go. Ever. Caretakers like herself are very busy, hardworking people that make little money. This chick has no sense of direction, she starts like 10 mediocre projects in her free time, gets nothing finished, feels overworked due too little time. However, this is not a slam piece of Genebeard, for she is afraid and anxious about her own thoughts and a victim of life in all of this too, she just distracts herself in an unhealthy way. This is just venting to the world. However, if you date, is 30 minutes a day just to casually talk to them really that much to ask? Was I smothering? Maybe, I was obsessed, but I tried my damn hardest to set boundaries with Genebeard. ''Hey Genebeard, if I am going too far just give me the word, we'll make some rules for our relationship. Nope, nothing. I was at fault too, because I was pushy, but in my defense she gave me the signals she loves a dominant partner. No, I am not excusing my behavior of bothering her so much but I thought and explanation would be in order. It all came crashing down on a faithful Friday. You see, Genebeard wanted to join our game dev efforts but not do any work for it.That Friday, genebeard came to me with HER writing, I saw it as a threat to my talent and her budging in my territory, that was dumb and wrong. She shown me this amateur website with her works to get my opinion. Reddx, audience? You may've guessed by now, I do not self-censor. It was BAD. I changed the names of characters and locations.
https://poal.me/j12fxkhttps://poal.me/j12fxk
>>574237634I CAN understand people being upset about Asgore not being a fight. I think they more expected him to be way, way more deranged than he actually turned out to be, in a "so far into the deep end that at this point its all or nothing" sort of mercy-buttong-destroying determination that he had in the first game. That and, well, people liked him and his aura, its understandable why they'd find it a shame hes nothing but a divorced obsessed jobber in this one.Personally I think people take theories so seriously. My god can i relate in thinking shit like Roots or Amalgam Knight sounding like the coolest thing ever, but in the end I would shit my bed if it DID turn canon, but am not expecting it. Youve got a whole lot of people here who say they are obsessed and dont care at all and vice versa.
>>574236672>I still wonder if Asriel has been to the dark world given he has an image of Seam on his computer.My personal theory is that Seam is based on a character from the Lord of the Hammer which is why they're with belongings from Gerson's classroom, and they were originally a handmade gift for Gerson. One reason I think this is because the anniversary stream had Gerson talk about a human magician with they/them pronouns, kinda like Seam but as a human, and LotH originated as a story Gerson told his kids so it makes sense for there to be a character inspired by the Deltarune counterpart of that human magician, just fictionalized into a cat. Additionally, Gerson's description of the LotH chapters arguably fit the shadow crystal fights rather than the main prophecy, like you're technically protecting Queen's mansion from Spamton on chariots (roller coasters), in the sword route you actually go to the Isles of Northernlight, etc. So it makes sense that Seam would have so much knowledge of the crystals, and also why they kind of overhype Gerson's fight.Anyway, Asriel likes Dragon Blazers which is based on the Lord of the Hammer, so the wallpaper could be a drawing of the same LotH character or their DB counterpart, which also explains why the cyber city in the wallpaper looks weird to Susie. It's really "the city of the shining" and not cyber city.
>>574237375Show me the results you nigger I'm not making an account
>>574237883Yeah, I guess Blue kind of mothers him a little bit...? Why is that so weird to you...? He's a sweet and sincere guy, why do you have to be at equal IQ levels to be in love with him
TOYLET
>>574236851let me try to reach for those words i used then:the ending sequence was accentuated with such warmth, love, even the townsfolk greeted susie with such cheer. the love and care in the background music, the unsanctioned changes to YOUR hometown the one place you built with her, that was YOUR THING, the thing that fundamentally made your friendship.everyone is helping her!and the best thing is: that moment that is underlined with these loving tones about making a home for someone else in your home away from home is that this love, this warmth is when YOU are not there.as if the game wants to communicate that you would ruin it.that you are no longer wanted in the town that you helped breathe life into.to cement how you are not welcome, the door closes shut, only to see kris standing in the corridor all by himself in the dead of night.this scene made me feel so incredibly empty, so incredibly sad for kris its fucking unreal.
>>574237453>I see the people who were celebrating with trans Ralsei art on twitter and tumblr and reddit and my impression is they are so overwhelmingly invested in this part of his character, they're ignore everything elseYes this is exactly it. The vast majority of people who want him to be a tranny do not actually like him past finding him mildly neat, or they outright dislike him and would love if he was trans so they could better ignore him.
>>574237318I don't know why. I don't know why I didn't connect to the flowers more. I wish I did. I wish I could feel strongly for them.
>>574236161You could join the vanilla server while you wait for the other server to be up
>>574238062What's with this act of yours? I so astonished and taken aback that everything doesn't think exactly the same as I do because I'm just so reasonable and matter of fact! I'm just so shocked and stunned anyone could think differently! Look at what a hecking awkward empath I am!
Remember when Jevil was the hardest boss in the game? Now some regular enemies are harder than him.
>>574237478>Then the dialog should reflect that.Have you ever heard of "show don't tell"?
>>574237796What's this? *gasp!* A chair!? And it's anon's birthday!?!?
>>574233390its ok
I have a hard time replacing items because of their sentimentality and I think Broken Scarf is going to stay with me forever
When I said the thread yesterday was the worst I'd seen I guess it was taken as a personal challenge
>>574237767>Sorry if I'm coming across antagonistic, I genuinely think better when I can get somebody to bounce shit off meIt's fine dude, good on you for being open minded and able to have a conversation, all of this is up in the air but I think that's what makes the most sense so far. I also understand the whole Pink thing was gaudy wacky and a little rushed but there was way more to her than some people gave it credit for, even before the patch.
>>574238273Huh????? Literally what are you talking about
>>574238376See like that
>>574238286Jevil is harder than Flowery, The Titan, Spamton, Mewmew and Gerson. Honestly might be harder than the Knight.
>>574238286Was your first attempt at these new enemies harder than your first attempt at Jevil?
Lancer and Aqua play dates!
>>574238452LIKE FUCKING WHAT????
>>574238185the flowers are bad characters is why. their appeal is mostly informed by ralsei and susie, but they don’t really do anything worthy of love or concern
>>574238240I guess you're right I just thought no one played it anymore, I'll join in a bit!
>>574238535LIKE THAT TERRIBLE DAY KRIS OHHHHH IT WAS SO AWFUL OUR LIVES WERE CHANGED FOREVER KRIS THAT HORRIBLE INCIDENT
hey does that person over there even know they are schizophrenic?
>>574238649the voice of god told them
>>574238625The Dreemurrs have successfully ragebaited you
>>574238649Anon... There's nobody there...?
>>574238101Honestly thats such a good take on it. I did think that ending credit scene was very, very sweet but only till I realized "Well I mean this is cute and wholesome and all but.. why is EVERYONE here but Kris?". Whether its because of (US) or because of Kris himself, this really feels like the big moment where we have started to detach from that loving home we built.Kris standing alone in the hallway, not even being invited in by Susie to meet Ralsei, looking to the side one last time before walking off slowly.. While I could definitely shit on that little gremlin for killing Flowery and getting Asgore knightnapped before, I honestly cant say I dont see him just going down the deep end even further now. Maybe in some self-punishing way coming out as the villain less subtly?The prophecy is gonna continue, The fountainmakers plans are gonna continue, but I do think that deep down theres a large, deep wound that has begun forming in the trio of our main heroes now.
>>574238494I never died to a regular enemy in Chapter 5 but they only last a few turns. I found the bullet patterns this chapter a lot more challenging than any other chapter.
>>574238649Shhhh their vision is based on movement, we need to post very carefully
>>574237071I felt an emotional connection to Green until I noticed the they/them pronouns.
>>574238571I don't think anyone is on right now, but if you want something to do in the meantime you can go thereThere is a lot to see
>thread sperging out againatleast post ut/dr art while you're at it. I don't wanna see tasquefag's ugly mug.
Asgore's big climactic moment in chapter 5: "I hated myself for my failing to stop THE INCIDENT and became obsessed with trying to show people the truth"Asgore in the rest of the fucking game:*displays zero signs of self-loathing and almost zero interest in investigating THE INCIDENT*
>>574238765You're nonbinary anon Im sorry
How do I endure the yearning for another year?
>>574238734you're not a real fucking person oh my god fuck fuck this why is nobody seeing this this motherfucker isn't real
>>574238649Chara is whispering in their ear.Whispering horrible, horrible things.
dess vanished when she was 11 btw
>>574238828didn't see asgore's chapter 4 schizo rant award
>>574238185I think what helped me is just seeing them as the best way to do the usual one and done dark world cast yet. The fact they ultimately WONT reappear for the abuse of jokes for the next chapters is precisely what made the little few glimpses they gave me into their dream, which mind you was mostly for their Flower Man, not for us to see, all the sweeter. Sure theres weaker or stronger ones, but Seth, Aqua, Orange, Green, Flowery? Those 5 at least, especially, I'm gonna miss. Its just partly their tragic existence too. Seal their fountain or not, without their flower man they will wilt sooner than later, so they made the most out of their one day of conciousness as much as they made their most out of being a flower for that happy proposal all those years ago.
>just realized what the "hahahahaflowers" joke is
>>574237071i only liked seth, aqua and flowery. the rest are worthless
>>574238843go to the bathroom and stare in the mirror until everything goes black
>>574238727oh no, am I the insane person?
la creatura
>>574238761Can't be much harder than Jevil if you've never died to them.
>>574238828Replay the game and you'll see there have been signs of him being nuts all the way back since Chapter 1
>>574238938based on what? all in game evidence suggests she was older.
>>574237453>but the lesbian part isn't negligibleWhat about the narrative implies this? Does anyone treat them differently for it? Sure people irl have shipping preferences but that doesn't change how Noelle and Susie's romance is treated in its own context.>I dunno, the game has piles of flavor text calling him "Fluffy Boy" and how cute *he* is, isn't the game telling me this particular trait is something to be enjoyed?Well yes Ralsei is fluffy and sweet but him being a boy isn't really intrinsic to that is it? Is Susie being frank and rash intrinsic to her being a girl? >Heck the plot of the game is a prophecy about THE GIRL, a gendered role so important it's dictating the fate of the world.The whole point of the last two chapters has been that you can't let the prophecy and your "role" in it define you. Ultimately that's what the discussion between flowery and Ralsei is about>If it's not important then why do it in the first place, and if it is important how could I ignore it?It might be, it might not be. Do you really love the character if that simple change would "ruin" him for you? >I see the people who were celebrating with trans Ralsei art on twitter and tumblr and redditWhy do strangers on the Internet have so much power over you? There are retarded trannies all over twitter and this very website I ignore because they aren't my friends and I don't know them or care to know them>He won't do anything cool because the culmination of his character is transitioning nowWhy does it have to be something that consumed his character? Why does the concept of the discussion that the character might want that change for themselves invoke a fear within you that they'll be consumed by "transitioning?">It just feels overwhelming and sets aside everything else I'm more interested in him I guess?Again why would that negate everything else about the character? What inside of you is creating this fear and do you think it's rational?
>>574238363this isn't nearly as bad
>>574235632You're not going anywhere but I wanna vent some shit anywayI really hate how the Deltarune fandom while not as toxic as many other fandoms and rather tame in shipping wars, has this very annoying trait where everyone pretends they're Toby Fox's fucking wife and know exactly what he's writing, and you're wrong and has no media literacy because you don't agree with their headcanon. This is another subtle way how this parasocial relationship people have with Toby makes people confident he's their best friend or something.
>>574235327If you're older than 22 it's already too lateJust use AI
>>574238928Whazzat supposed to mean anon.. I'm just sperging out over a game I like..
>>574238363It's not THAT bad today
>>574238957I saw it, but it wasn't sufficient buildup for the big reveal, and the fact that it's so hidden is a huge disservice to Asgore's character arc.
>>574238778Actually can you link me the server? I know there was an IP shown when you join the modded one but I didn't save it... and this one https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/571425072/#571438585 isn't working... sorry if I'm stupid.
>>574237071i didn't connect to queenthe flowers just suck ass, flowery just sucks a little bit less
>>574239135>FahaDess laughing like that too... its peak.. I love Fahahaing..
>>574239159Use Al? that's Weird...
>>574238828>*displays zero signs of self-loathing and almost zero interest in investigating THE INCIDENT*Does this look like the living space of a man who likes himself?
>>574239159good morning saar
>>574238734i also want to put attention to the fact how you were made redundant in ch5.there was a puzzle that if you don't react fast enough, ralsei tells susie to act without you.ACTing and COMMANDing is that one thing you do well.i ask you: with susie now being aware of the device layer and being able to command on her own, do they even need you?you are looking at your friends slip away from you. your friends are more friends with eachother than they are with you. your honed talent is worthless now and your best friend just invited her date to crash at your place to make out oh and, NO you can't come in.despite all your love, despite all your care, despite everything.your friends have abandoned you.you don't matter anymore.
>>574238828We're not spending the entire day with him, of course he's going to put up a front when Kris shows up or Toriel's flirting with the Bone Man. Context clues, anon, characters can harbor depression and self-loathing without saying it to our faces
>>574239159the ai doesn't make what's in my mind's eye and just makes me angrier about not being able to draw
>>574239407nta but my dad's room looks like that and he's always joking around and being a goofball so that's not really hard proof
>>574236289>the last fun adventure See this is the issue. It's not. It starts with Kris blatantly starting a dark fountain to imperil his father. The entire chapter is trying to bring multiple story strands to a head. And then ignores them for what isn't even an adventure, but a rolecall of Homestuck OCs. Additionally from a gameplay pacing perspective, there's no world in which having "just another fun adventure" chapter at this point would work, even if Toby was able to write it.The only well written, presented, executed part is Weird Route.
>>574239349Literally all of them are more likable than Spamton.
>>574239407It looks like a poor person's living space. Are you saying all poor people hate themselves?
Uuuu....
>>574239312the minecraft server is still under maintenance, a post will be made in the thread when it's back up again
>>574239604>The only well written, presented, executed part is Weird Route.Which was 10 minutes long and was defo 100% tobes
I'm surprised people are saying Alphys would use AI after everyone swore up and down that Spamton wouldn't sell NFTs
>>574239573You can't just say "context clues" without giving examples.
>>574233390Not a good ship. Kris doesnt care about Pink and Pink will never be important again
>>574237239Every night and most days.
I wish all these people who just transparently hate Deltarune would be consumed in fire. By the underworld's sickest hex.
>>574239657BOTH OF THEM ARE UNDER MAINTENANCE??!!!
>>574239812I wish they would give the game an open chance and if they still don't like it they say "You know its not for me but I wont openly ruin this for the people who do like it" :)
>>574239128Trannies are ugly, irrational, and annoying creatures. Disliking them makes sense. Water is wet.
>>574239814there's more than one???
>>574238934Not even Chara would support such schizophrenia, friend
>>574237767>The Eggs are also related to Kris' past arent theyMost likely. The forgotten man is almost certainly someone from kris's past and Kris has "forgotten them before" which means this likely isn't the first time Kris has stumbled upon the egg rooms.>Still curious as to who the demon isGenuinely I'm starting to believe it's Gaster. He's spooky and mysterious, he exists outside of the normal bounds of reality, he's got all the 666 associations, he's almost certainly the voice, etc. I don't think it can be the mantle because I think the mantle is just the mantle. The consciousness we fight is just an extension of kris's own mind animating the mantle that can exist because of the nature of TV world and the video game boards. The game itself is the manifestation of that part of Kris and for whatever reason the mantle powers it. >I guess I'm supposed to surmise from Aqua's similarities to Jevil and transitive property that connection to Kris?Yes almost certainly. That and "the world revolving" appearing even more as arc words in chapter 5 really helps solidify it. The focus on kris's ability to "change shape" also links back to Jevil's "metamorphosis" and come on he literally becomes "the devil's knife."
>>574239812
>>574239812catti...
>Chapter 7>Ralsei dies>"ISN'T SHE LOVELY???"
>>574239964I knew the modded one was under maintenance I was asking the IP for the vanilla one so that I could play on it till the modded one got out of maintenance...
>>574239572And all that without even knowing just what the fuck kind of news her date got that evening. It brings up ideas of a three man party without Kris, honestly.This is all such a satisfying conclusion to the initial post I posted. Satisfied my curiousity and gave me some new points to look at that from and then some..One could say my view of the upcoming events has become dark, darker.. yet darker..
>>574239624oh anon, you!
>>574240158if this happens, i will laugh so fucking hard.
>Chapter 8>Ralsei lives>"ISN'T SHE A FUCKING BITCH"
>>574235327>>574239584What's troubling you about drawing, anon? Tell me.Is it the basics? Posing? Not knowing where to start?I can barely draw myself, and i'm not an expert tutor, but i'll tell you that i started out by doodling shitty undertale comics when i was in middle school.Hell, i can't even be bothered to learn better programs, so i just sketch doodles on MSPaint with my mouse.I think the best advice i can give you, is to just draw some shitposts, share them on the whiteboard if you want to! We don't judge.I'm sorry if this sounds all over the place, but trial and error is always the first step in any hobby.
>>574240169Give me a second so I can get you the vanilla IP, I was eating
>>574239702>100% tobesThe balls to the walls type shit like back with the true lab, yeah 100% I second that
>>574240214I'm sick of him!
>>574240246Thank you very much darling!!
>>574240171but hey, they DO still need you.you can seal fountains.i want a 20 minute long suselle kiss scene so that kris considers suicide mid-adventure.
i wish i could draw..
>>574240387Unironically just use AIDon't let the ludites bully you out of itIt will eventually be accepted as a tool lile photoshop was
>>574240171Actual good chain of replies thank you to both anons.
>>574240384Oh damn I just realised, kris is either going to have to separate from the soul or tag along on the suselle adventure if the next fountain is to get sealed, which leads me to believe it won’t…
>>574240487Would The Tail You Of Hell? Follow
>>574240362>IP162.245.190.86:25587Minecraft version 1.21.11
>>574240387I just use AI, you should try that
>>574240231i dont get it
>>574240582Thank you very much!!!
>>574240560The poor children!
>>574240387I am racist against robots and ill be racist against you too. Just use a pencil dude fuck droidsMettaton and mew mew count as droids
>>574240645Digital Circus referenceOne of the male characters turns out to be trans and dies at the end and "Isn't She Lovely" starts playing over a montage of his scenes
>lord of the hammer>lord of the rings>thorn ring>the one ring this fuckass dog
>>574240528>(Susie's smile, which aeemed to defeat everything)>(Shined on in front of you, and for a moment)>(It was as if all the darkness had been blown away.)>(As if in imitation, your SOUL began to glow...)Susie will learn to seal fountains on her own
>>574239128>What about the narrative implies this?It's not about the narrative. It's the aesthetic, it's the theme. It exists beyond Susie and Noelle's orientation mattering to them or not within its context, because I can only recognize a lesbian ship for how I think lesbian relationships are IRL.>Is Susie being frank and rash intrinsic to her being a girl?No, but these traits are reinforced because she's a girl. Susie being the tomboy barney is very important for her character, She's brash and unruly and can defy fate, but she's also The Girl. The moments she's vulnerable to wear even a ribbon in these chapters are directly pointing out some sort of feminine presentation that matters to her.>Why do strangers on the Internet have so much power over you?Sure, it sounds stupid, but this is a fandom game. You and me are discussing the game in a faraway corner of the fandom but we're still in it. It would absolutely dominate topics of discussion everywhere.>Do you really love the character if that simple change would "ruin" him for you?Maybe, I don't believe it's a simple change like you do. I don't think I'd like Susie the same way if she was a boy, as said above.>Again why would that negate everything else about the character?This applies to the rest of your quotes: It maybe doesn't, maybe Ralsei is still a boss fight and does epic fire magic or has a heartfelt huge emotional moment. But if him being trans and transition is important, then I'm supposed to value and pay attention to that, aren't I? You don't believe it'd be any distracting at all to divert time to make that so important to his character when other things should also happen?I don't have a good answer for these questions, because I struggle to see a scenario for Deltarune's story where Ralsei comes out as trans, but the story is still very interesting and fun and his character still rocks. But I'm not Toby Fox, maybe he does have a plan, but I just cannot trust it.
>>574240528reminder: this was the last "fun" adventure. because if you didn't have that, you better prepare for shit to go downhill now.>this chapter's egg was the last there is>this chapter's moss was the last there is>this chapter's shard was the last one there is.>this chapter's starwalker was the lastwhatever comes ahead, we have what we have and wether they are important or not, we better stand ready now.
>>574240730i didnt watch that but that sounds funny lol
>>574240582Hahahaaaa whitelist ilovemettaton pleaseeee......
>>574240732>anal ringwhat did he mean?
>>574239941 I want more Chapter 1. I want more of what Toby advertised the game as back then. I want a main story as emotionally and intellectually engaging as Weird Route. But apparently modern Deltarune fans consider Chapter 1 the worst chapter? I want Deltarun to succeed, and to do that Toby has to think about crafting a game that will stand the test of time, and not just cater to a few months of memes.
>>574240473Thanks for reading anon! Im just glad my post actually got some traction so I could exchange ideas about the possible meaning of that scene..
>>574240892The funniest part is the character dies via a suicide metaphor
How do I start caring about life again? I thought getting CH5 two weeks before starting a new job would be great but I'm just lost in my Deltarune thoughts all day.
>>574240387You can do anything you set your mind to anon. You don't get good at anything by not doing let today be day you change that
>>574241017No life. Only DELTARUNE
>>574240895Try again, I forgot that was still on my bad
>>574241017say the following "Toby Fox is a hack"
>>574241085Worked, thank you!
>>574240387
>>574239128>tactic is just bombarding the opposition with questions and pretending to be confused
>>574237071>Why?Something I'm actually putting on my backlog as a green concept (probably just expand on the concept and vomit to the thread later because this is not something I think I can tackle the justice its deserved), feeling really melancholic, is that Time's a cruel mistress. Deltarune's a game that's been in development for 8 years and Ch7 is 2028 at earliest (even if I think 2030 is still strong), and for most people they've probably changed a whole lot and just can't care in the same way they might've had when they were playing Ch2 or even last year with Ch3-4. Kris is having the biggest week in his life, we've been drip fed this week over the course of a decade if not more.
>>574241017dont worry, shadow crystail is on route to your location right now
Interrupting Asgore's light (and extremely careful) combing of my hair with his claws by pressing a soft kiss into his palm on impulse after imagining how adorable he'd look feeling such a spontaneous expression of love, but as I peek at him stealthily between his large fingers expecting to see a cute blush he suddenly reaches down to gently take hold of my wrist and press his own tentative kiss upon my knuckles as his eyes drift closed in such a masterful reciprocation of romanticism I must let his huge hand engulf my head once more to resist the newfound urge to toss it aside and leap up onto him (I reserved the right to cuddle after the fact to vent some of the crazy feelings for him, though he seemed so casually warm about it I wondered if he even knew just how madly I love him I am [made sure to tell him several times to make sure]). Helping Asgore undo the straps on his golden armor as each piece clangs to our bedroom floor once a particularly rough day of kingly business finally concludes, after which I seat him at the edge of our bed while hopping in right behind to alleviate his strained muscles from carrying all that heavy metal in a regal posture with some loving massages as he unburdens his emotions also by telling me about the turbulence of his day (I also took a little bit of time for myself to gently run my fingers along his torso several times to refluff him, all the while whispering comforting reassurances against his woes and promising I was right there for him). Dramatically lamenting our parting as Asgore breaks our hug to don his sexy apron and whip up some biscuit dough, but just as I'm about to dejectedly sit at the stool opposite him he unexpectedly scoops me up and sits me on the adjacent countertop so we may continue our conversation about what to pair with dinner (just so happened to be the perfect height and distance for him to lean over and kiss me without leaving the floury station as well, totally unintentional on his part I'm sure)
>>574241484YEAAAAAAHHHHH ASGOREANON POST
I'm falling~
post (weird) noelles
>>574241381I look like this and say this
>>574241589This surely counts.
>>574241589hydration check.
>>574239781His room above the shop giving big "divorced dad" energy, his clinginess to Toriel despite her not giving him the time of day anymore, that his neighbors pity and avoid him, that he gives flowers away for free instead of charging people the money he needs to live comfortably. All of this speaks to a man who puts others before himself but now has no one because of THE INCIDENT and everything he's doing is for the chance to recapture what he had. Now, admittedly, we should have the option to spend more time with him as Kris, as his kid who's concerned about their father and knowing what's being said about him around town, but we know enough by now to know he isn't in a good headspace.And that was even before his private scene in Chapter 4 in the Holiday house
>>574241589The weirdest one I got
>>574241589
spamton isnt a good person
>>574240387Keep at it anon! Just doodle! Its gonna look like shit for a long time but the satisfaction you get once you DO get it to look better than your usual slop is worth it..
