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Sparabara edition

>TWW3- WHAT'S NEXT - Update 9.0 & The Lords of the End Times:
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I'm gay and it will make the news. LL for this feel?
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Thanquol soon, friends!
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KILL THE LIVING
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comfy ambush in the morning light
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>>574476116
Those are doors not shields!
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>>574476875
in persia the men are legally obligated to have a sturdy enough door as to be able to use it as a shield when away on campaign. this is why persian women say: "come back with this door, or on it" so that way they can have their door back when the fighting is done and keep the breeze out on those chilly nights
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>>574477092
@grok is this real
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>>574477092
>>574477213
@gork iz dis troo
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>>574477308
interesting
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in para bellum these dudes were straight up dicks out
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>>574477830
on the dei discord you can download "Dongs for DEI" which makes them dicks out again
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>>574478306
i'll pass
but interesting
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>>574477830
Celts will invent chainmail then go into battle naked
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>play Franz
>Hochland, Stirland, Talebecland get destroyed by turn 15
i see
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first battle after landing on carthage mainland tho
if the game crashed after this was just gonna alt f4
it crashed after battles sometimes, but someone on the DEI discord linked vulkan renderer for rome 2, using that now, seems to have less crashes + better performance
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and azazel is done
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>>574478968
f*ck yeah good job anon
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Were those "gnome" hats actually popular during ancient times and if so is there any proof
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>>574479129
1 army with full units and another with half, most of my units are hanging by a thread, that was a close one
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>>574479361
Make sure you fully wipe him out, I assume you did but otherwise WoC's will just spam RoR stacks endlessly its fucking annoying.
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okay i need to land like at least 3 full stacks to take carthage the city
really need 100 turns min to root out this cancer
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>>574479674
recruit 2 shit stacks to suicide into the walls and waste ammo/capture the gatehouse and then waltz in with a good army to mop up
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>>574479250
They are very common in drawings but cloth doesn't preserve at all so it's unlikely they've found any that is recognizable
Similar types of cloth hats existed in many places so there isn't any reason to doubt it
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last LL you gooned to?
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>>574481034
I gooned for Tamurkhan.
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>>574481034
Miao
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>playing Archaon
>research tech that unlocks the upgrade to turn Daemonettes into Exalted Deamonettes
>There's still no upgrade ability
Well I guess my Sigvald stack is just going to be Slaanesh Knights and Chosenmannii
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>>574481368
they have to have 4 or 5 experience chevrons
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FUCKING WHEN?!
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>>574479674
is this rome 2?
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>>574482317
Only the ginger and niggash look interesting, couldn't care less about the meme rat and chaosslop
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>>574482317
this year in september maybe
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>>574482317
It will be playable at gamescom at the end of august so theoretically we should have a lot more info by then. At the very least, dev videos for the rest of the lords.
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>>574481034
YinYin
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>he made a new model for Black Crag if you capture it as dwarfs

Chad.
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>>574483339
they're gonna fuck it up and make her ugly cathaybros shouldn't get their hopes up
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>>574483339
who's the artist
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>>574483664
>floating tents clipping into everything
orrg
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>>574484290
Look there's a lot of orc shit to clear away alright? Shut up.
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>>574482317
Demo playable late August at Gamescon, so ...
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>>574485274
December 2027 got it
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>>574478482
They pretend it's because they're brave but really that's just cope by the poors that can't afford chainmail.
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Assuming that a Lizardmen rework, either alone or with a lord pack, comes relatively soon after the End Times DLC, what do (you) think CA will actually do for the race and factions and what do you WANT them to do?
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Will there be any news this week?
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>>574487247
Mazdamundi needs like a complete do-over. Just change the shit out of him and his faction.
Kroq-Gar and Tictaq'To could use some spice too.
Gor-Rok I think as AI just needs a very slight glow over to compensate for having fucking Skulltaker right beside him, for a player, starting with Kroak and buffing saurus warriors the hardest of any lizardmen faction should already be more than enough.
Oxyotl and Tehenhauin are already fine, they're very strong too.
Nakai's campaign is so weird I can't even tell if he's underpowered or overpowered. I guess as long as he's working fine it's alright. I'd say add an easier way for the player to confederate him because in 9/10 campaigns he dies before anyone can discover him.

They should have made Sayl part of a Sayl/Tetto'ekko/Naieth DLC.
Also add Chakax as a LH that buffs the shit out of Temple Guard. That in itself would already mean a good buff for Mazdamundi too.
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>>574477431
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>>574487247
Mazdamundi, Kroq Gar, Gor Rok, TicTacToe all need actual mechanics for their factions. And changes to their faction and lord traits. I don't care what but anything. Not to mention skill reworks.

Blessed spawn is fine some tweak to units so they are actually different from the regular ones.

Geomantic Web needs to be completely removed. Best alternative would be some kind of jungle escalation i.e. like Alarielle but the worse you get pounded the more bonuses you get.
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>>574488464
fat frog tits...
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>>574482762
yeah with dei
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>>574487413
There will be rumors this week of news to announce a new video dev interview the week after
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>>574476116
Can't wait to make all Phobos Chapter
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>>574488464
>>574488618
What sorts of mechanics would be good fits for the four factions that don't have shit? All I can really think of is giving Gor-rok Alarielle's "stay off my fucking lawn" thing where the more you clear non-Lizards from Lustria the more bonuses you get. I feel like there's something there for Mazdamundi involving counselling with the other Slann, but I'm just not sure where to go with it. Kroq-gar could maybe get something to do with just purging the non-Old One created races OR maybe something involving upgrading his Hand of the Gods with additional Old One relics could be interesting. Tiktaq'to is such a minor character that I just don't know.
Tehenhauin I just want to make him equal to Ikit with his shitty sacrifices and not getting the same amount of RORs the fucking rat got.
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>>574490307
It's really difficult to come up with stuff, but CA should have though about this stuff beforehand and gave a shit before releasing unfinished garbage.

But I thought about it a bit more and came up with some other ideas:

Mazdamundi is the de facto race leader so he should have a Great Plan screen where he decides how the overall war against everyone is conducted. A bit like the system where you can tell your AI allies what to do but forcing all Lizardmen faction to actually fight what you tell them to.

Kroq Gar: Since he is about exterminating so something between Taurox Rampage and Ork Waaagghh. Kill a faction and get stuff.

Gor Rok: Repurpose the Geomantic Web and pull a reverse Beastmen. Once your ritual or whatever is complete the province capitol is untouchable, and the enemy needs to raze all minor settlements before he can attack the capitol. The more bulwarks you create the more buffs you get.

TicTac: Honestly no idea. Drop nuke's on people and get shit.
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how probable are the chances of the votann being added in 40 tw? i know the chaos dwarfs and cathay had no units ever and almost no lore, yet they got into warhammer 3
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did you know that before becoming Emperor Karl Franz was a Roman Senator?
https://youtu.be/i5v6hPr6L7U
true story, it's him
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>>574491461
shut the fuck up retard
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>>574482317
Fucking Toddy?
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>>574491461
Manlets are so fucking gay
Worst fantasy trope
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joe rogan better be a LL in the votann dlc
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>>574491693
wish Angory Tom's VA was also available in campaign, but it seems they'll make it custom battle exclusive
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>>574491461
Jesus Votann aesthetics are so awful.
But they're 100% getting into TWW30k
>Click Hearthkynâ„¢ Warriors
>QUARRELERS
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>>574491461
If vampire coast can get into TWWH as an actual faction then those gay nusquats are almost certainly going to be a faction in 40k.
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whats longma
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>>574493519
longma riders
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it's so sad miao ying died of longma
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>>574493792
Getting cycle charged hurts.
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>>574484185
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=8611281&tags=lilita0814
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>>574494607
thank you anon
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I WORSHIP ULRIC
HE WILL PROTECT US
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>>574495781
ULRIC'S TAINT
RETREAT!!!
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Eldar will be really annoying in campaign but op in multiplayer.
Screencap this post.
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>>574491461
Unless 40k bombs it's going to get every fucking faction and probably a couple OC ones eventually because DLC is what keeps the lights on at CA.
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what does ulric do all day, chill out in the chaos realm?
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>Open Total WarTM 40kTM.
>don't skip the 4min advertisement before the splash screens in order to get 40 in game WAR-COINS! The non-premium, premium currency.
>Get to the main menu.
>Can see I will get +4% war contribution score for my faction in the galactic war if I join a campaign in progress.
>LUCKY!
>Set up my WarbandTM slotting in the highest tier war gear for the 39 units I can bring into a new campaign.
>Legendary Plasma pistols, Epic flack armour, uncommon pintle mounted machine guns for my tanks.
>Spend 330 Warcoins on an Epic chainsword for my Felinid Commissar Hero unit.
>Join campaign in progress.
>Half the star systems have already been taken over by the Ork player.
>Space Marine player is using some kind of exploit to farm Loot drops.
>Necron player is asleep and is just running down the timer every turn.
>Get into battle with the Ork player.
>His main fleet is just 39 Stompa's with all Legendary equipment.
>If I loose this campaign it will count as a loss on my account and I won't be invited to the next tournament.
I can't wait.
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seeing old videos about warhammer tw is fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrXUp5EYzWE
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>>574490307
>>574491345
I think it should go like
>Mazdamundi
McGuffin hunt to put the Great Plan together again, and also Alarielle-like bonuses for keeping the world as clear of corruption as possible.
>Kroq-Gar
Missions to hunt down and completely destroy any factions that are outside their designated areas (humans must stick to the Old World, dwarfs to the World's Edge Mountains, elves to Ulthuan, greenskins to the Badlands, etc.). Chaos is completely forbidden no matter the location.
I'd even dare say Kroq-Gar should be Aislinn-like, going by his lore.
>Gor-Rok
Uhhhh I mean he's essentially just a glorified bodyguard for Lord Kroak's remains. Really it's already kind of weird that we've got Gor-Rok parading said remains around the world to nuke people with, even if it works. I guess the bulwarks thing works with his defensive fantasy.
>Tictaq'To
One of his post-battle options becomes the possibility to permanently increase campaign map speed, like how Tzeentch gets to permanently increase WoM reserves.
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>>574491345
It's hard to come up with stuff for them because unfortunately the nature of the Lizardmen is that they're not hugely characterful. The ones that are are rare and exceptional while the majority of them as a race don't have much in terms of personality or wants/needs beyond what they were designed for. One of the improvements made in AoS honestly
Like Tiktaq'to is barely a character. He's not much of a leader as far as Lizardmen go. He's just the leader of Hexoatl's Terradon riders, nothing on any bigger scale. He's kinda the Ghorst of the race. I don't know why we got him instead of a real character like Tetto'eko.
I don't necessarily want Mazdamundi to be telling all the other factions what to do. I'd like something involving the fact that Slann spend most the time essentially debating with each other about the Great Plan while they meditate. Maybe something in the vein of the Changeling's schemes could work. You get the options of following different interpretations of the Great Plan and have to act according to that plan's requirements to fulfill it. And you get rewards based on what path of the Plan you take.
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Mods that turn all units into lolis?
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>>574498695
Be the change you want to see anon.
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>>574498695
I will settle for a mod that turns vampire heroes into lolis
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>>574498695
such a mod will get u perma banned from workshop 2 mins after u release it
plan accordingly
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>>574498941
It's not like he mentioned making them lewd lolis. I don't see the problem.
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>>574499050
the word "loli" is sexually charged
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Why would I ever use Chaos Dwarf Overseer or the infernal castellan? The only thing Castellan is worth it for is increae mobility bitch duty.
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>>574498695
Grace would never have tolerated this, how far we have fallen.
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fapped to dunmner (TES dark elves) so many times today....
wish the dark elves in WH fantasy weren't so lame
like for starters they should be properly blue like all drow and not just normal helves in their goth phase
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>>574499261
prove it
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how are you, a man-thing supposed to deal with this?
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>>574499385
how am i supposed to do that nigga
the cum has long since been washed away... yes I wash my d in the shower for like 30s after every single goon due to regularly having cheese in my boxers during HS
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>>574499510
show us the tissues you used to clean up
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don't
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>>574499597
nigga i don't do that I cum all over my hands then quickly go to the shower and wash that + the crotch off
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>>574499498
Nothin beats good old Helstorm rockets
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>>574496656
Will probably be either OP or dogshit depending on what kind of battle mode CA goes for, if it's similar to the current version of domination i wouldn't be surprised to see release eldar simply not have enough dps to prevent a points loss, if it's LB it's just gonna be endless kite and everyone involved will be miserable
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but yeah dark elves should be DARK
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>>574499947
Thats not dark though
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>>574499707
you shower multiple times a day to clean jizz off?
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Ok I havent been here since the announcement of 40k

what's the general feeling about the game? Optimistic? Even without naval battles?
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>>574500746
existential dread and that the end is nigh
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>>574500532
i get in the shower and blast water at the area for 30s wouldn't rly call that a shower

>>574500447
it is compared to WH elves
you can't tell dark elves apart from helves in WH which is cool for their schemes I guess but not cool since you can't even be racist at a glance
racism is important in TES lore
https://youtu.be/QgOCaqgzpmM
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>>574500746
It looks like a stunning return to form
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>>574500746
It looks like we'll be blast havers
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>>574499261
not my problem
I can't think of a universe where I dislike their Dark Elves
>Dunmer
>Druchii
>Drukhari
>Drow
love all those unapologetic assholes
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>>574501190
>>574501156
>>574500983
>>574500746
https://youtu.be/9w6bB1McmzM?si=OsYGvoIiCHfSz5iV

just watched the chinese video looks pretty good, but I want to play chaos
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>>574501584
>but I want to play chaos
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>>574501498
thing i like about warcraft elves is the absolutely giant ears
gives em a more distinct racial identity from humans
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>>574501584
>but I want to play chaos
Based
Corpse emperor loyalists and tax paying chuds will never understand.
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>>574501657
chaos is the only cool part of 40k without it the lore is just lord of the rings in space
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>thanquol actually is soon
That nigga has been waiting so long and it's paid off
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>>574501791
chaos is literally the lamest part of WH/40k
writer's pet faction of cartoonishly incompetent retards
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>>574502603
If they're so incompetent how come I sided with chaos and won in Rouge (sic) Trader
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I wonder what Thanquol thinks about the Book of Grudges.
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fucking norscan fags stop raiding my tier 2 settlements
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playing through doom recently really made me appreciate how cool the hell faction is compared to chaos
whenever they take over they don't (poorly) herd humanity into some kinda feudal system where they live in ruins like indians and fight once in a while for their entertainment, all very amateur, in new lore and likely old they're like parasite aliens which torture and terrraform everything they touch in extremely brutal ways, and it looks sick, industrial, routine

in WH lore chaos basically have such insane innate power that they can afford to stay in the warp and act like manchildren w their game of tag while the mortals just flounder around and maybe kinda make some meager plans like the black crusades or horus heresy ofc (even then, a ooga booga barbarian almost destroyed chaos had he had his way entirely and they had to beat him by making his best son a betrayer, and even then ultimately lost)

basically they didn't earn their power, they don't wield it in a cool way, its just a lame "this is powerful because its always been powerful" type deal, they barely have to try, idk how that's a cool faction to some especially when their units are just corruptions of other factions their only unique thing is the demons which are more cartoonish than cool
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>>574503914
Cool now show us how that all looks in game please :)
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>>574504029
what? you mean the doom shit? looks bretty cool
and when they invade earth they make sprawling pentagrams n shi visible from space just for laughs

basically chaos in WH have no aura
look at fucking Abadon man, he's a clown
look at fucking Erebus, he's a clown
Horus, the one time they had a leader with some aura and menacing precense, lost and croaked
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>>574504142
Wow! looks like ass. Everything is orange.
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>>574501657
looks like the bowser fart gif
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>>574504207
yeah its a fire n brimstone type deal

regardless the new end times update promises real terrain deformation and devastation from the chaos endtimes, right? maybe it'll lend archaon some aura...
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So when's the End Times DLC coming out?
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>>574503914
you posted that already
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>>574504323
July 18th
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>>574504323
Never, it was actually a prank, none of those assets are actually real.
"Future of Total War Warhammer" post in two days.
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>>574504460
Um...
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>>574504356
i'm just saying
chaos is one of the lamest "hell" factions in fiction, they are strong because GW want em to be strong because they move the lore, no other reason, and the chaos gods are practically cartoon characters, their best mortal champions either fail or they keep trying till they don't fail with no consequence thanks to the endless power they give him
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>>574504484
2027
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>>574504486
if you want a villain w some aura in 40k look no further than the nids and crons btw
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>>574503914
doom's hell doesn't exactly make much sense either, anon. i enjoy how it looks overall sure (i was very fond of the colder, bluer look used in some parts of doom the dark ages as well) but ultimately all it has to do is serve as a generic evil force to be defeated while sucking off the main character. warhammer isn't meant to have such a narrative, chaos is intended to be played by players, and chaos warriors are, quite literally, the most popular faction in warhammer fantasy and have been since they came out. play vermintide 2 if you need to see how cool chaos warriors are
also this art is tzeentch chaos and it mogs most depictions of hell
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>>574504749
esepcially the old cron lore where they're nothing but death machines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc1u1s4-zW0

now there's way more nuance but ultimately they're still evil undead robots that would destroy all non-necron life given the choice

>>574504805
>and chaos warriors are, quite literally, the most popular faction in warhammer fantasy and have been since they came out
where? the tabletop? cause in the games its been the empire and likely always will be
the whole "dude with a longsword and a strong will against insurmountable odds" trope always triumphs
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>Waystalker suddenly decides that he needs to walk to the opposite side of the map
>No pathing, just slams into walls face first and slides along
Is this a new issue, I've had it happen a couple times now. I can still issue commands to the waystalker when it happens, but it will just stubbornly keep walking in a straight line.
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>>574504947
>where? the tabletop? cause in the games its been the empire and likely always will be
okay? the setting fucking died before anyone played any video games about it. even now the profits from the games is dwarfed (heh) by the tabletop to an exponential and insane degree. chaos warriors were so popular they made the main characters of their sci fi game identical stat-wise and model-wise to chaos warriors in style, and that's how they created space marines
no one wants to actually make an army of dudes with a longsword when they look like this. nigga at the back isn't even wearing shoes
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>>574505364
okay but I don't care about the tabletop
in TW warhammer they have to fuck up the empire REALLY badly for it to not be the most popular faction, and no one plays vermintide or dark crusade thinking damn i wanna be these chaos retards im killing
they're a niche pick as player characters in the video games or even the extended universe like the novels (where's the chaos ciaphas kane or yarrick? there isn't their characters have no real aura)
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this chad
he'll be in 40k TW right p sure he's also involvedin the current armageddon shitshow
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>>574505558
how would you know? it's not like you've read any of the novels
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The End Times is releasing in Q3 2026.
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>>574506075
have, and they didn't lend chaos any aura
I refuse to read horus heresy 30k slop since it's soulless (and a peak example of how chaos are astroturfed their entire existence) read a bunch of IG novels and the ciaphas cain fluff, ngl most 40k novels are rly forgettable though, but decent for entertainment slopfiction
40k has far superior antagonist factions, sadly fantasy doesn't
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>>574506303
even order factions though, can't wait for tau
SM and CSM are both sides of the same coin, bait for the people with shit taste and 12 year olds
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>>574506075
This image is unironically one of my favorite whfb artworks.
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>>574507004
chaos has all the cool stuff, like defilers, and obliterators and mutilators
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>>574507053
what would be unironic about it? it's one of the greatest warhammer artworks period
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>>574507327
kasrkin are more kino than any of those imo
but yes the body horror is the coolest part of chaos
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>>574506303
good choice for not reading the heresy books but being a guardfag just proves you have chronically bad taste - as if we didn't already know that from you not clearly seeing that chaos warriors are the coolest faction in all of warhammer
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>>574507849
Chaos Lords of Khorne are stronger in melee than most Legendary Lords.
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>>574507849
design wise guard is the epitomy of "less is more"
simple standout iconic designs, they're all pretty good, and ofc they make for best stories because anyone can relate to a guardsman compared to some 10 000 yo supersoldier
i remember this one guard novel i read in HS ages ago iron guard where it turns out the antagonist revealed at the end was dark eldar doing some mutation body horror type shi and its cool cause u just assumed the antag was chaos or even genestealers for most of the story and the dark eldar kinda come outta nowhere
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You now remember generic daemon princes exist
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>aaaaaiiiiiiieeee i can't relate to cool factions
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no villain in 40k has as much aura as Archaon
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>>574508201
EVERCHOSEN NUKE
Archaon has the aura boon that is 'actually winning' though
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>>574508141
they're the bait... space marines order or chaos are the bait
once you delve more into the other factions you realize they're among the lamest in comparison
anyways my fav are prob guard > tau > crons > nids > eldar > rest

>>574508201
villain, no, because 40k has no proper villain ever, from what I've seen of 30k horus was p good, but yeah like mentioned he ultimately jobbed, and he didn't really have a good reason to fall to chaos either (insecurity lmao)
hero though, wait till u see yarrick in 40k
im kinda glad the story will be guard/sm vs orcs, its classic, can't go wrong with that pairing till more n more progressively worse shit gets added after
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Why are you tards arguing with someone who uses the term aura
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>>574508619
what's wrong w the term, faggot? mad that chaos characters don't have it? substitute it for "presence" then if it makes you feel better, their lead villains in 40k have no charisma, no standing, no presence, it feels like corporate astroturfing as if they wouldn't exist without some GW exec pushing them, that's Abaddon 100% and his gay crusades, Cadia should have fallen yes but not like that
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Long time 40k fan here. Guard suck and are gay, and a redditor's choice. Old space marines were patrician, new space marines also suck and are gay.
But none suck more and are more gay than KEKstodes.
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>>574508863
No I'm mad you're up past your fucking bedtime you zoomer. TW is an ''''uncslop'''' series.
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>>574509012
we're all young bucks here (27)
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Archaon literally borders two lords that are more worthy of the Everchosen title than him.
Arbaal and Tamurkhan should fight for the mantle.
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>>574508925
>But none suck more and are more gay than KEKstodes.
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>>574509051
Tamurkhan is cooler desu yeah, I like that he's not just pure evil and wants to shift the empire to nurgle worship yet preserve it, ingame it's rarely shown how he's a pretty wise dude (parasite) and not just a brute
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>>574509051
both raped and buckbroken by me actually
thanks for the +20% research bonus
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>>574508925
of course the faggy eldar homo has takes like that
if having shit taste was an olympic sport you'd take the gold
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>>574491461
They 100% are getting in given enough time
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>>574491461
what the fuck is a votann?
dawn of war and rogue trader didn't have those, are they like another race of aliens?
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eldar coolest stuff is their warp spider units
the avg guardian or whatever their basic dudes were called, meeeh, best basic is by far the tau fire warrior, insane design

after that it's the humble guardsman
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>>574510008
If you actually like KEKstodes, I have no choice but to laugh at you for being cursed with females from GeW.
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>>574510257
they're humans who got separated from the Imperium and turned into dwarfs
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How can you enjoy order factions?
Genuine question: why do you love playing a 1000th Karl Franz campaign, dawi auto-resolve simulator, high elf diddydonut island party?
Where is fun in any of that?
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>>574510517
where's the fun in building a kino well put together gorgeous empire backed by a strong alliance of order as we genocide the chaos nigs together and eventually shoot for the stars after overcoming great odds and persevering? Gee idk

I'll just play the gypsy niggers from the steppe blessed by OP magic and ingame insane modifiers and absurd stats to roll over everything shit on all order factions make border gore galore raze everything build nothing then sell my soul to Satan, so much better bro
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>>574510686
>kino well put together gorgeous empire
So basically a NTR bait
Watching it slowly get destroyed and corrupted by chaos is what you should enjoy instead
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>>574510686
despite everything empire remains the acrually most fun campaign too, a lot of varied enemies, varied friends, the most unpredictable outcomes for your surroundings, gameplay that's actually fun not just ctrl + g and wait (which is worse than Le "auto resolve" dawi)
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>>574510503
nah they're older than the imperium
>>574510257
they're basically human-to-dwarf mining colonies from the dark age of technology that use giant supercomputers to create bespoke cloned troops, store the memories of their dead, and create tech better than the imperium has, but they're psychically extremely limited
they survived all this time in the galactic core believing in total ork death but then abaddon nuking cadia exposed the galactic core with the cicatrix maledictum
they think eldar are easier to negotiate with than imperium guys
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Is the strategy with grimgor black orc hero spam or Boyz with spears crapstacks?
Is there any orc artillery worth recruiting besides the doomdiver at tier fucking 5?
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>>574510879
chaos nigs deserve the rope cause only subhumans would sell their soul over some hardship
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>>574491461
One thing I think its very lame is how they went with norse names fo votann, since that entire schtick has been already used by Space Wolves since forever.
They should have gone with jewish inspiration since they use golems (robots) and love capitalism.
...wait that is actually kinda offensive
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>>574499182
>overseer
he gets a skill that reduces upkeep for greeniggers early on so he's good for shitstacking
>castellan
Mobility and restock bitch is useful if not flashy job, and because your good units have caps you aren't even really losing out on much.
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>>574499182
>The only thing Castellan is worth it for is increae mobility bitch duty.
Motherfucker that shit alone is worth the inclusion of any hero even if otherwise they just stand around picking their nose in battle.
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>>574512546
Just doesn't seem Overseers are worth it but otoh I always want to move my armies faster so I guess castellans get an eternal spot too.
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>>574510503
>>574511107
not sure if this "dwarfs but akshually human" is better or worse than "dwarfs but akshually elves" thing TES did
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>>574513381
To be honest, Squats were already "dwarf but human", so votann isn't a departure from that.
Its not a bad idea actually, its certainly a less bullshitty way to introduce dwarfs into a setting.
What you could argue is if they should be their own faction or just yet another part of the imperium
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>>574513592
>yet another part of the imperium
fuck no. it's already bad enough that they have primarishit, if they were also tolerant of weird ai space dwarfs then it would just be too much
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Vamps are getting their obligatory rework and Kangz are confirmed to at least be getting new content (Khmeric Titan)
What does the Vampire Coast need to not feel completely hopeless?
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>>574481034
>last LL you gooned to?
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>>574497583
Do you people are really delusional enough to think CA will do always online multiplayer game as a mainline TW?
All they did was copying faction creation and 4x features from Age of Wonders, a singleplayer series

At best campaign victories will be aggregated alongside other stats, like they already use to make those most popular faction charts and how many units killed. It's a complete nothingburger. TW40K will be as much of a live service game as TWW already is.
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>>574519264
why did you do that
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I hope everyone remembers that humans are BAD and not to be a heckin racist to the Orks!
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>humanity first
agreed, death to the false emperor!
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hello, i i have around 2k hours in TWW2 but just recently i got TTW 3 with the dlc, i finished a nurgle realsm of chaos campaign, which of the new characters added in TWW3 have the best/ most fun campaign and which one would you recomend?
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>>574520808
Queek
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>>574520808
Chaos Dwarfs, probably Astragoth or maybe Drazhoath, the Chaos Dwarfs are a pretty fun faction.
Tamurkhan is also a fun Nurgle Lord, you can recruit heroes from other races and can become buddies with them to unlock units from those races.
Belakor has a mechanic where you can create rifts you can teleport into and fight where you like.
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>>574508201
>>574508483
*kinos in your path*
the day he joins.. is the day i buy dlc instead of creampieing
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>>574522631
Abbadabbadingdong is not a good villain or interesting character no matter how hard ADB tries to dickride him.

And with all the daemon primarchs returning, he has even less reason to exist. Frankly, fucking Be'lakor should just shank him and steal his sword, breaking the Black Legion and allowing Chaos to be Chaotic again.
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which one are you siding with when Med3 comes out?
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>>574523016
Mongols
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>>574521945
thats not a new lord

>>574522058

thank you for the answer
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>>574476116
>When you see ancient textures/kitbashing you did in a screenshot (The reed shields here)
Substance Painter is so much nicer than photoshop though good lord.

>>574487247
I expect a wholesale lizardmen campaign mechanic change rather than ones for each individual lord. The latter would be nice, but it's a tall order.

>>574491461
I expect like chorfs they'll be a late addition, but also potentially super popular like chorfs were (in WH3, not in tabletop).

>>574501765
Sadly the giant ears is so 'brandable' I worry nobody will be able to ape it without blizzard suing them. Nelves and trolls and draenei I guess deserve to be in a better setting.
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will tw 40k unit rosters be more or less the same size as tw whf unit rosters?
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>>574523470
Prolly
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>>574504805
I prefer seeing demons done in either the Japanese style (Think Claymore) or Wayne Barlow's Hell art.

>Angry red animals, or humans
Doom and khorne's is really standard fair. Easily the most common depiction of demons. Nurgle and Slaanesh are not as common but still common, and Tzeentch is often just the standard eldritch gibbering horrors. Not so in your pic, it's great there.

But waht I like of Barlow's or Claymore (when it's the turned guardians or whatever they're called) is the baroque perversion of the natural (and thus godly).
The surreality is orderly yet wrong, less Chaos spawn blrbrlbrlblrblrbrb and more uncanny valley, it's something but twisted in such a way as to be even more perversely wrong. I suppose fallen angels doesn't fit for Khorne, but I like demons with that sense of challenging the majesty and grandeur of their enemies in a horrible way.
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ASSinine Mortals!
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The chaos spells are gonna go brazy when they add them. Imagine all the cool shit tzeentch could do to armies
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>>574525025
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>>574525138
>>574525025
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>Warhammer 3
>over one hundred unique lords and flavors

>40k
>a thousand different colored spikey marines
>sometimes you might get a lucky eldar or something. maybe

im not ready for marinewankbros...
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>>574525539
Have you considered not buying every piece of shit game ca makes?
You fkn moron.
Ever since warhammer1 I have not bought or touched a single other total war cause they are all trash. Why is that so hard for you to do?
You play Warhammer 3 for the next 5 years, pretend 40keks and Mideval never happened and then play Alien Isolation 2.
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>>574526245
*Heavy voice* NO
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>>574526512
Well then fuck you!
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>>574526986
Fuck me? No fuck YOU!
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>>574527131
Come fuck me yourself!
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>>574525539
They massively stretched out unit rosters in TWW because of no customization mechanic, which was always far smaller in WHFB than in 40k anyway and then made up stuff to boot

Turning sergeants into full, more elite units like Shadow-Walkers or making meme variants (shield), (dual-wielding), (2h), (armored) is a norm in TWW
Making up new units, extending footnotes into full units or digging out of White Dwarf/old content was a common thing as well

40k unit rosters for all factions are bigger and with more customization inside. Eldar have more units than High Elves and are more customizable too. Yes, Eldar which memes make into some neglected, forgotten faction with no content. They utterly mog High Elves

If they go with TWW design style again, Ulthwe will get Black Guardians in two variants as a unique, more elite Guardians for them. Every Aspect Warrior will have more elite Exarch version of it. Wraithlord will come as 5 separate units. And there will be Zoat Terror Squads among them. Among myriard of other things. This is what happened in TWW and why you think WHFB has more variety than 40k. It doesn't, it never had.
Single Kabalite unit is more versatile than half of Dark Elf roster and it's the most neglected faction save for Grey Knights

Hopefully such retarded bloat won't be needed anymore now that they have extensive unit upgrade and customization features
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>>574519264
Shut up Miranda you don't know anything!
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>>574519264
She will always be Sarah Walker from Chuck to me...
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>>574513381
it doesn't really matter because of the Votann are so gay and lame that nobody gives a shit about them
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>>574530698
Sorry but that's custodes.
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>>574531096
You know it's different because Custodes get grandfathered in. I don't like what nu-GW is doing with them now nor do I like primarchslop but they had their fans before they got brought in as mainline armies and characters.
Votann is just fucking...
>let's bring dwarfs over from fantasy
>but take out everything people like about them
>also for aesthetics let's go with "the terran marines from Starcraft" and build it from there
>they're super hardcore please believe us dood they hunt hive fleets
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>>574533651
>>574530698
I find it weird that these new squats/dwarves aren't part of the Imperium and even fight against them

The old squats were just fantasy dwarves who are part of the Imperium like Ogryns and halflings
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>>574533763
Tyranids ate the Squats' homeworld, so most of the loyalists got devoured. The Botanns are the ones who migrated to the center of the galaxy during the Dark Age of Technology and weren't around for the whole Imperium rising thing.
There are still a handful of loyal Squats, but they're literally an endangered species making their living as mercenaries and small-scale miners.
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>>574534287
Sounds fucking lame, Gays Workshop should have just made them part of the Imperium

The suits probably saw Deep Rock Galactic and leaned real hard on that gimmick
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>>574525539
Fuck Marines, embrace Imperial Guard & Genestealer Cults
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>>574508201
>no villain in 40k has as much aura as Archaon
are you sure about that
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>>574528589
behold, lost technology, though i think in the bilibili they said sentinels could be customized, but itll probably function like the scrap or warband system where you buy an upgrade
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>>574533763
>>574534287
The original squats were sort of set up to be what the adeptus mechanicus would become as a state.
They were a sovereign empire of many worlds within the imperium that was technically subservient to the imperium.
Squats sold poorly and GW decided to quietly shuffle the squats off into nonexistence and have the adeptus mechanicus take their more leading role as lesser partner of the imperium in addition to already being the imperium's tech support.
They were a large part of the "warhammer fantasy battles in space" era of 40k that GW has since shifted away from.
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>>574536381
GW admitted they didn't know what to do with them because they couldn't find a unique identity for them at 28mm scale. Epic Scale Squats with the combat train was a great niche for them. But the train didn't translate to the larger scale and so once 3rd ed rolled around, GW squatted the squats.
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I wish the eldar were squatted.
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there's no fuckin way this is where my reinforcements spawn
okay just gonna AR...
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>>574538470
carthage has fallen... millions must sacrifice to baal
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>>574510517
You aren't providing any reasons why a disorder campaign is any better
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>>574510517
Ranged units and artillery are so much more satisfying than unga-bunga melee blobs
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gonna try the latest release, #3 crashed a ton
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>>574539228
*nukes you with a dreadquake mortar*
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>>574539294
Yeah which is why the general loves chorfs more than greenskins
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>>574539294
Yeah thankfully the Chorfs exist. I suppose Dark Elves would be the next closest thing to a ranged disorder faction but they don't have much in the way of very long-ranged units.
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VELITE'd
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Newfag here..
Im just playing Realms of Chaos...
IE looks so overwhelming.. ;-;
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>>574491461
>*click on Votann*
>"KILL URK!"
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>>574539576
you won't interact with 70% of the map on most campaigns, it's just there for show and for immersion

also
>local traditions
wtf? I have two temples in this btich how is latin culture not growing
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>>574501498
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>>574491817
It's telling that no one ever wants to see a cosplaying manlet
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>>574491817
>>574539836
yeah cause there's no dwarf women in the setting
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>>574506023
You mean Yarrick ?
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>>574539934
The coomers must save the concept of the Dwarf
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People only like female dwarves because they look like lolis (they don't)
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>kill unit army
>they run
>install mod for them not to run
>they still run
curious
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>>574508925
>>574509090
>>574531096
Custodes suck dicks because half of them are female now, but we don't shame women sexuality here.
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>>574540309
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>>574508201
I dont know man the emperor is pretty cool
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>>574537148
Iyanden made me like eldar.
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>>574540497
lost 70% of my ships lol
i have no idea how you're supposed to play naval battles wo losing all ur ships
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newfag here
suck my dick retards
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>>574508201
She drained trillions of gene-seed, endangering the survival of the Ultramarines and all their successors.
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i've heard multiple times that i shouldn't ascend my dudes to demonhood, but why are they bad exactly? any other reason than demons r gay?
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im cooked
this shit is so clunky
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>>574540974
Is she an imperialized eldar? Those clothes don't look very eldar like
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>>574540974
MADE
FOR
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>>574540097
>because they look like lolis (they don't)
????
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>>574541089
They lose half their levels and become a big target when order are the ranged guys
But it's fun and soulful so fuck it give them the juice
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>>574541437
>draw lolis
>call them dwarves
>>574540014
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>>574541231
The official Imperium term for them is: "Comfort Xenos".
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>>574541549
So what does "(they don't)" mean? Are there real Dwarf women to reference?
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Can someone fucking explain to me why the dwarf crisis is fucking immune to ambush?

I have literally 100% (ONE HUNDRED) ambush chance and once I pass turn it disappears.

Why is this game so fucking dogshit?
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>>574541604
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>>574541675
They don't look like that
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>>574541604
You haven't seen a midget in real life? Or at least on TV? They look nothing like lolis
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>>574477830
if i knew i was probably gonna die and my family only had one pair of pants i'd leave the pants to my kids too
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>>574541671
There is ambush chance for when the enemy army bumps into you (that situation when you can still fight a normal battle)
There is also a second ambush chance for the campaign map as a whole where the ambush stance will effectively be turned off
Yes it's retarded
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>>574541671
they may have some skill to reduce ambush chance. there's that one skill in the blue line that reduces it by up to 30% plus the encampment stance. if they all have that skill then every one of the 20 stacks you are approaching has a 70% chance of pulling you out of ambush. iirc
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>>574541749
Yeah those are midgets not fantasy dwarfs
In the same way Dutch people aren't elves for being tall
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>>574541604
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>>574542164
They don't look like that
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>>574541604
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Why are you people pretending to be retarded again?
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>>574542269
They don't look like that
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poor elephant...
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its very simple
my lord will beat the shit out of your bitchass twink lord any day of the week
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>>574542291
This is modern day 4chan there are like 5 people in a given general
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Is there a good Southern Realm mod?
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>>574542582
>ranged sissy lords
Go back in the cuck corner with Alith and Markus
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Greenskins are one of my faves in WH but I feel only indifference towards 40k's orks
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>playable at gamescom
>more chances to play
they're trying to cuck DoW4's release date aren't that
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>NOOO YOUR LORD MUST HAVE LE SHIELD IT CANT HAVE BOTH RANGED AND MELEE WEAPON XDD
my lord will eat your face
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>>574542880
no nigga lmao
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>>574542865
I hate the Elves in Fantasy but love the Eldar
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>>574542880
dow4 releases in september
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>>574542581
Nooo don't hurt prööhs
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When is CA finally going to give us the ability to research more than 1 tech per turn when we have surplus research?
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>>574542939
Such a gay boy staying far away hahaha
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>>574542202
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>>574543101
I'm ok with this one she's pretty bangable
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pigslut will not get a you from me
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>>574543248
Yes but /gsg/ lost
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holy shit i didn't expect them to lose to fucking peltasts in melee
that one hastati got styled on..
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Total War: Aztec
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Total War: Lustria
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>>574543667
all of north africa just pounces on you asap when u touchdown on carthage cause they're all their cucks
looks like i wasn't ready to head in after all need more than 2 stacks
sigh
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need to find a setting to make the new m2ex ranged indicators more opaque
its too annoying
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>>574544270
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>>574544270
>>574544368
the new blood effects kinda look weird tho
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why can skavenblight have nukes and chaos dwarfs cant
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>>574544480
apparently its a bug that makes em show up as too bright
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crazy drip
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>>574544508
They do though? The battlefield meteor skill has killed numerous unit cards in my (Cathayan) caravans
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>>574544270
found the setting to change em like this with the minimal red border no inner ring discoloring, p good
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>>574544508
Everyone gets nukes now
Empire is about to get an Ulric nuke where it explodes into a wolf shaped mushroom cloud
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Easiest campaign and battle difficulty can I win this fight?
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>>574545725
Show the map
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>>574545725
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>>574545832
>>574545835
>>574545725
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>>574545725
absolutely not
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>>574545725
I BELIEVE IN YOU ANON
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>>574545935
Corner camp in the bottom right
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>>574545725
Load last turn save and give the Celestial General equipments from your other lords.
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i'm playing archaon for the first time. when do you get the option to vassalize or subjugate an enemy? i vassalized the starting slaneshi enemy, but didn't have the option to do that to the khornate to the north west
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>>574546181
Pretty sure it's bugged.
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>>574545210
>not jumping onto their shoulders and strangling them between their thighs
Are they even trying ?
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>>574546263
ohhh, you can't do this to me
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>>574546181
you can only subjugate an enemy on their last settlement
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>>574546305
>pic
jesus
seen femboys with thicker thighs
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>>574546440
i did fight daniels last settlement, but he had an army right outside. should i kill that cunt first, too?
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>>574546594
no, the other anon might be right and there's a bug stopping you from doing it when you should be able to. Wouldn't surprise me
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>>574546636
great. now i lost all interest in that campaign.
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>>574545210
here's them slaughtering some brets
but these dudes aren't as weak as the peasants with pitchforks in WH there's no peasant melee unit, just "men at arms" pole or sword
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>>574547782
*breed
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>>574545210
>>574544884
>>574544749
is this with the new engine thing for med2?
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>>574548135
yeah
but if ur gonna use it, use the 21/06 release, I tried that with all kinds of mods including BOTET and it works perfectly 0 crashes

the new releases so far are test ones and the flying units in BOTET for example make the game crash
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>>574545210
KILL ALL MEN
BEHEAD ALL MEN
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If the lesser races did not want to be enslaved they would not be so submissive and enslaveable.
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INFERIOR ENEMIES DESERVE DEATH
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Reminder we're going to be playing fucking Cadians on Armageddon because GW wants to have a big debut for their new Steel Legion slop designs that just look like Kriegers in khaki coats, because M38 Paratrooper helmets are evil and fascist or something.
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>>574548640
>we
I will be playing eldar and orks.
And MAYBE one day I will play guard when there are cosmetic mods to fix lasgun visuals and make them krieg.
And perhaps there is the slim chance I will play space marines if a firstborn cosmetic overhaul is ever made.
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>>574548640
>because M38 Paratrooper helmets are evil and fascist or something.
Nah they just do this kinda stuff because its easier to trademark. Chuds won anyway nobody cares about fake moral outrage anymore
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>>574548640
not exactly
They simply decided to make 3 distinct regiments with different aesthetics (Cadia, Krieg, Catachan), rather than to waste production facility on two very similar masked chud regiments.
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>>574547947
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>>574548640
>little "A" on helmets and buckles for "Adolf"
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I AM LUTHOR HARKON
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NO, I AM LUTHOR HARKON
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I call this build the manlet crusher
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>>574545210
How can med2 have better combat than all modern games?
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>>574548864
Genestealer Cults when
>>574548868
>>574548923
They shouldn't have gunned for Armageddon if they couldn't put in the Steel Legion. It's like going to fucking Ultramar with no Ultramarines.
>>574549112
I will steal this and use it as cope.
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>like khorne's battle gameplay and concept
>hate having to play the campaign map minmaxing movement and on razor thin economic thresholds
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>>574548640
I see no point in playing imperial guard if I won't see a fucking block of red lasers filling my screen
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>>574549305
I just want sync kills in warhammer
they're my fav part of watching melee in this series
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>>574545725
Did you win
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Is there a good Game of Thrones mod?
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>>574550178
>game of slop
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>>574549294
Interesting army.
So what do you do when faced with anything that isn't stationary and slow or mountain/water/forest maps? Or tiny mega lords like Arbaal? And why does it not have a life mage?
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>>574550429
I reckon he shoots them
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>>574550178
there's tons for med2 but I haven't tried em out, sadly the most updated one is EOP so I can't use it with M2EX, there's a bunch that work tho

this one apparently works for m2ex, i'll give it a try now
https://www.moddb.com/mods/game-of-thrones/downloads/retro-submod-final-for-got-enhanced-released
I like growing my med2 mods choice to have like 20 different ones then just fucking around w custom battles in diff settings once in a while
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>>574550492
There are many maps that don't allow shooting. And the likes of Arbaal ignore his shooting.
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>>574550570
>this one apparently works for m2ex, i'll give it a try now
based, thanks anon good luck

>>574550429
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>army called the manlet crusher
>but what about arbaal
>but waht about seamaps
retard. what about manlet von carstein though
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growing these
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>>574550574
>And the likes of Arbaal ignore his shooting
?
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>>574550570
the moddb one seems to work k I dunno how it compares to the other GoT mods out there tho, apparently there's 4 active ones lol
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>sent a message to 40k's composer
>he replied
Nice guy, already like him more than beddow
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>>574551145
dunno if bait or dumb
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>>574551185
each of the campaigns has a different exert from the show like a tywin cutscene when u start as lannisters kek p cool
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>>574551330
you can also play as dany's retarded ass brother starting in essos at the very corner of the map
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when did this get here
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>>574545129
It's ok when Empire does it
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>>574551601
unironically yes
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>>574551492
>defense campaign where u simply gotta survive for 10 years
kinda kino
but yeah this mod is clearly very very show focused if u want book focused ones gotta try one of the other ones i think 2 other ones work with m2ex with tweaks from the m2ex discord patches section, but cba rn, this one worked out of the box
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>>574551561
with the last update.
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>>574542880
>DoW4
I had totally forgotten about that
no real reason to even think about it now that TW40k is confirmed
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GUYS GUYS X UNIT BUT SUPER BUFFED BUT IS OK CUZ LE PURPLE SO UH MAGIC OR SOME SHIT
I HECKIN LOVE ENDLESS DRUM RATLING GUNS
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>>574551821
they play completely differently though
can't wait for dow4 personally
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>>574551561
consider
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3761995894
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>>574551821
I think DOW4 is fucked in the long run, but I reckon they will surf on tw40k hype until it releases
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>>574551864
my favorite things = good
your favorite things = bad
(You) = faggot
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>>574549294
Are landships better than steam tanks?
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>>574551923
imagine bloating ur game for this just cause seeing an icon pisses you off
waste of time desu, especially since they made it a blank button with nothing on it which looks bugged
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>>574551987
for autoresolve? yes
For actual fights?
lmao
it fucking sucks balls
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>>574551925
kek u guys are kinda delusional
dawn of war doesn't need the total war audience at all, it's got its own dedicated fanbase of RTSchuds and 40kcucks that grew up on DoW, long as its good it'll succeed, if its not it'll flop like 3, but either way it'll co-exist with 40k TW, I have a good feeling about it but won't say more in case its ass
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you will see no you from me
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>>574552048
it's worth it
and yes, it does piss me off
"streamers" are subhuman parasites and I don't want them invading my singleplayer games
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>>574551757
M2EX latest version lets you rotate the campaign maps, damn
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ELDAR
FUCKING
WHEN??
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>>574552160
Sure, the die hard RTS fan will probably prefer it, but those are a minority these days, most people who played dow games did like, one campaign for the story/setting then fucked off and those will just go for tw40k.
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>>574552392
november or february I bet
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>>574552160
It'll sell about as much as Mechanicus 2
I can tell it'll be bad
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>>574552505
TOO FAR AWAY
I WANT THEM NOWW
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>>574552493
it will have its own dark crusade type total war-lite mode, so anyone that prefers the fast RTS gameplay vs the slower total war style will still play that prob, personally I'll buy and play both cause.. why not? they release many months apart i'm not that broke
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>>574552392
>ELDAR
>FUCKING
the space squires are working hard on it
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>>574552623
Oh I will definitely buy both, I just can't see dow4 not becoming a niche 5-10k players in the long run at the best case scenario
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>>574552614
>>574552505
>>574552392
>beta comes
>only IG v Orkz
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>>574552731
10k~ daily stable n active is pretty good for an RTS in 2026
age 4 has 15k daily avg which is very respectable, still getting content regularly
on steam i think no RTS comes close to age 2 DE with 25-30k daily active

besides it'll have necrons on release :)
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>>574552740
*only niIGgers v Orkz
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How do you think phoenix lords will work?
They are glorified haunted armors that can be anywhere they want in the galaxy
So, green knight summon?
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>>574552740
>beta
since when does TW release betas?
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>>574552392
Can't be soon enough.
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>modern RTS
>being supported for more than 3 months
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>>574552875
they're doing one for 40k you big dicked slut, sign up already
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>>574552950
>soulless 1 to 1 starcraft knockoff
yeah that one isn't gonna last
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>>574553082
>AoE2 has a massive competitive scene because of twitch streamers
not sure how i feel about that one
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>>574553158
most active rts mp wise with modenr content are wc3 and age 2, grubby one of the biggest wc3 creators strated learning age 2 and is teaching tyler1 to play wc3 kek, kinda sovl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH6vl-n2WAE
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>>574552950
>>modern RTS
>>being supported for more than 3 months
well Tempest Rising came out a year ago is getting DLC this year, Veti campaign soon
>Stormgate
you'd think by now studios would have figured out multiplayer competitivetroons are not representative of the average RTS gamer
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sad case of a modern RTS is pic rel though, it's following command n conquer almost 1 to 1, but the story has much less campiness and sovl, the gameplay is great, but most people played the singleplayer then never touched MP, very few RTS make it big on mp kek
regardless the game just got a new faction as dlc tho
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>>574553361
It's crazy how many people have thought they could make a sweaty RTS and get SC1 in Korea level success
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>>574553082
now show the review scores for this game's DLC
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>>574553361
ninjad
>multiplayer competitivetroons are not representative of the average RTS gamer
that's very true but for live service games u either need a sandbox mode like TW that's acc playable, or a MP mode to milk endless money, and if u can't milk money then continued support is never worth for modern devs, tempest rising is clearly more of a passion project
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>>574552863
I asume exarchs will be generic heroes recruited from an aspect shrine while phoenix lords will legendary heros
Ideally both would be leading aspect warrior units of the same path
I just hope CA can do justice to the aspect warriors identity as uber elite spec ops units instead of the elftide armies of the fantasy games
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>>574553467
yknow like 70% of the warhammer dlc has mixed or negative ratings too? point is it's still getting made and purchased so u can say its still getting content
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>>574481368
>>574481621
>Archaon
>The big bad mr chaos himself
>He needs to research for an upgrade for the privilege of recruiting exalted demonettes
>Oh he's also short a unit of perfectly good rank 4-5 cheveron normal demonettes too.

There are people in this very thread who want this for Bretonnia
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>>574554559
I stopped updating my cheats and mods because CA never gave bretonnia a crap.
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>>574528589
War gear customization was confirmed since the very first trailer, I don't know why you faggots have such a hard time figuring this out. The units will be the exact same as tabletop + their weapon options.
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>>574554559
upgrading my dudes to absolute powerhouses is kino
>unit starts with 200 scrubs
>slowly gets more powerfull
>entities slowly dwindle
>only the strong survive
i would love for normal units to become heroes and lords, but you can just get those like it's nothing
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>>574553826
Why is Aislinn mixed? He's a super fun lord. His campaign is great.
>>
Dread Maws are... a lot weaker than I anticipated. Also it's annoying af how you have to manually tell them to resurface each time instead of just giving them an attack order so they pop up below the unit you want them to attack. For how little they actually kill, I feel like they're just not worth it.
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I want to make marinechuds cry on the galactic war
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>>574555478
never played him but
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>>574555314
yknow what that's cool mod idea, i'm saving this (and maybe put patent on it)
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>>574555615
Steam reviews.. I love em..
That guy is an idiot. That's the type that plays Golgfag and actually takes settlements for himself.
Aislinn is filthy rich because he only needs one fucking army and I never have more than 2 cities myself cause why the fuck would I? And how fucking bad at the game does one have to be to be forced to fight garrison battles nonstop? You are a fucking horde faction shitting out LLs. Just fucking kill your enemy.. holy fuck dude.
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Reminder wraiths will be dlc
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>>574556029
I'll just play wh3
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>>574556029
eldar don't have enough units for wraithlords or whatever those goofy dudes from dawn of war to be dlc
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>>574555896
idk steam reviews have rly high standards lmao
this is for yuan bo
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>>574542269
Plappable.
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>>574556329
I have never in my life seen anyone complain about cathay caravans. Even those who don't like cathay enjoy that mechanic.
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>>574556173
>Wraithguard
>Wraithblades
>Wraithlord
>Spiritseer
>Some iyanden character
>Wraithknight

Idk, looks like a dlc to me
They could even dig up the Wraithseer's grave and bring it back to life
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>>574556029
Nah, other factions have mega units like Stompa and Baneblade, they will likely have a wraith knight
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>>574556469
Avatar of Khaine will be the release "Monster" for eldar, that much has been confirmed
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>>574487247
>>574488464
Don't lizardmen hop on floating pyramid and leave in end times? Give them spaceships
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>>574556173
Dawn of Wars didn't have all Eldar units
First game roster was themed around Biel-Tan, second one after Ulthwe. Neither had the most iconic Aspect of Striking Scorpions even.
Wraithguard were only in DoW2 and not Wraithblades. No Wraithknights, no Wraithseer, no SpiritSeer. Hell, there used to be even Harlequin Wraith constructs. And troop sized Ghost Warriors too. You can easily make a Wraith themed Lord Pack without even using those more niche examples
Only Vyper, Fire Prism and Falcon existed as far as vehicles are concerned. Many vehicles like Hornet, Warp Hunter, Lynx, Night Spinner or Scorpions weren't a thing. Eldar were poor in DoWs desu
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I don't care about Eldar
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>>574558156
But what if they're lolis?
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>>574558683
elder lolis are fake
>>
dark eldar lolis are real
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Reminder that unlike fantasy, 40k is still getting updated.
I doubt they'll update old units already in game, but new units getting added to the tabletop are certainly coming as DLC.
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>>574559332
oh really? post some proof then, else i call you a slur
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>>574559552
Yeah Dark Eldar refresh will be fully in this. I suspect that we'll also get an Iron warriors and Refreshed grey knights as well.
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>>574559552
Bro, your Cathay?
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>>574560107
not canon
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>>574560107
40k Cathay/Kislev will be dark mechanicum and Exodites.
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>>574559662
i can't its not allowed
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>>574560530
just put a black pixel over the nono parts
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>>574538705
cathage did nothing wrong
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>>574561545
DELENDA EST
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>>574497415
none of the gods are actually real, except the chaos gods
>b-but ursun-
nu lore, like the end times, revealing the gods are real was a retcon
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>>574561619
i still think it was wrong to level carthago
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Carthage was evil and they did bad things
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Lizardmen truly are the best faction to be a fan of.
>No LARPers (Unlike 40k fans)
>Minimal Coomers (Unlike Elves, Beastmen, Skaven)
>Popular and receive lots of stories, fanart and memes.
Life good
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>>574561545
they were literally caananites... those dudes burning babies in moloch efigies
maybe the most evil group of people in the ancient world
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>>574561867
>>Minimal Coomers
there's skinks in panties in every single thread. i even saved some and i'm not even a ligger
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>>574561867
WRONG.
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>>574554957
>War gear customization
Rather than unit caps you will have wargear caps depending on planets and buildings controlled.
Screencap this post.
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>>574561867
>>Minimal Coomers
Uhhhhh...
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Orcs and Goblins & Orks are the actual best faction to be a fan of in both IPs.
>no political larpers
>actual no coomers, orks have no genitals and are mushrooms
>Popular and receive lots of stories, fanart and memes.
>Playberase is laid back doesn't get into bitchfights, just shitposts about Orks and their funny way of talking
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>>574563328
opfor npc faction
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>>574563328
>that one pic where the gorillorcs eat the cute girl alive
the universal seeth was hilarious.
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>>574562228
fell for millennia old propaganda award
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>buy TWW3
>Try playing it in an immersive way
>Get thrown in the middle of nowhere, secure first area, get big army, fight some more
>End up auto resolving every battle
>The real challenge is staying alive until you can get a 20/20 army with max tier units
>Diplomacy is close to useless
>AI is atrocious
>Turns last too long if you have a shitty CPU
>Most content is behind an agressiv DLC market
Damn, I thought I could have a good time. Maybe the other games are better in some way ? the historical ones like Napoleon or Rome ?
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>>574564017
>>End up auto resolving every battle
Why?
The whole point of the game is the battles.
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>>574563637
I mean that picture literally was coomer material so not the best example
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>>574564557
no, it was rage bait or was it?
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>>574564528
>Why?
>The whole point of the game is the battles.
well, why would the game have an auto resolve button to begin with desu.
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>>574564758
the game also has a back to windows button, doesn't mean that's the button you should press to have a good time
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>>574564652
The artist is a provocateur in the sense but like, he is just genuinely into that. He loves guro and drawing animals raping women. It's still funny how he makes redditors seethe but he has also just genuinely drawn imperial guard beastwomen forced to live in a pen with alien livestock who rape them, while guardsmen cum in a trough for them to drink from
Most sane east asian artist
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>>574564758
because you're supposed to decide yourself which battles would be fun and worth it to fight, sometimes its out of necessity because it lets you win battles AR would lose units at or lose u the battle

generally big battles are worth fighting cause its fun while some 4 unit vs 20 unit stomps are meant to be autoresolved

if u wanna try some historic TW and have a potato PC you can acc try medieval 2 TW with m2ex rn tho, its prob dirt cheap on key sites or smth
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>>574564017
No total war game has good AI
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>>574564929
I don't know, is going back to windows the whole point of the game ?
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>>574562447
Keyword: minimal. Lizardmen are way less obnoxious than ratfags. beastniggers and Elfcoomers
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>>574565076
probably. do you see that big X in the top right of your screen? click it.
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>>574565157
why would I
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>>574563328
>actual no coomers, orks have no genitals and are mushrooms
Squad broken
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What is the easiest way to change the starting position of your selected LL?
Follow-up: Where should I start a new Taurox campaign?
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>>574565915
try the console commands tool
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these orcs in gothic make me want more savage-orc kino in wh... the only cool orcs
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>>574566272
So you just remove FoW and tele to where you want to start?
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>>574566969
I mean I guess, I've never used it that way before
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what races have you never played with in warhammer? i have 300 hours and theres still so much
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>>574566709
i wish savage orcs looked like that
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>>574567542
I've played every race except DoC, nurgle, and tzeentch at least twice

I haven't played every LL though
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>>574567542
i have 1300 hours and have never played the empire, elves or dwarfs
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>>574567542
I've bought all the DLC and have 4000 hours across all the games but I've never played anyone except Karl Franz.
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>>574567542
Slaneesh, Tzeentch, Skaven. No interest in any of the three really.
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How do we fix the Daniel problem?
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Taoyan.
Taoyan the CUTE!
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>>574569003
+80armor, +10MAMD
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>>574569178
But how does that fix his atrocious economy and everything else about him?
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>>574569003
We forget he exists
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>>574569209
Skarbrand has atrocious economy but he himself carries the entire faction. Daniel gets blasted to shit instantly. He has a mortis engine, make him tanky as fuck, now he can carry battles.
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>>574569003
give him a tech tree indepenent of his dedications
let him recruit every single chaos unit, lord, and hero
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>>574569307
>Skarbrand has atrocious economy
Khorne has a great economy if you play to his strengths
>Daniel gets blasted to shit instantly
Yes which is but one problem among many
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>>574570035
But if we make daniel a tank, who is horribly hard to kill with early game units, he can really carry battles and make him special and fun.
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>>574569003
Remove him from the game
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>>574570159
No, we can fix him and his faction
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>>574569176
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Daniel is a beta test for how factions and lls will work in 40k. We need a solution.
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>>574570518
what the hell, she's a beastwoman?
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>>574571048
All women are beast women
RAA ROO
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>>574571109
i mean she has horns. how do actual beastmen does look like, doe?
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There's no fixing Daniel give it up. He's the worst faction and someone has to be the bottom bitch
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>>574569003
>Give him research
>Let him equip items
>Make his buildings less shit
Bam
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>>574571686
He also needs an actual skill tree, he just gets body parts whch are OK but the only worthwhile one is the mortis engine effect.
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>>574571480
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>>574571951
Zamn!
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>>574569003
Revert the change where they made flying units swooping down to attack ground units WAY SHITTIER (they did it because mpfags complained it was op btw)
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Will we ever get someone like Tancred II as a LL for Bretonnia?
https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tancred_II

Seems like he would fit the anti-undead theme better than Repanse.
Repanse's faction could be given an anti-Chaos theme instead.
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>>574573013
I don't know, I hope this helps.
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>>574571951
Strongest Gor
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>>574573084
you people are worse than bots sometimes
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>>574571480
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>>574571951
Made for beastmaster whip.
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>>574573380
You're welcome.
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>>574573084
>I don't know, I hope this helps.
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>>574573617
Why are you upset?
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>>574573392
should be goat from behind. she even got some handlebars
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>>574573084
Thank you.
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>>574555314
>Two anons saying that a mechanic is bad
>MECHANIC IS KINO THO!
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>>574574197
the mechanic is kino though
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>>574569003
>separate the build a prince gimmick from the magic item system
>let him confederate any chaos faction he wants
>unfuck his research tree
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>>574574197
>t. one of the 20 norsiggers filtered when they upgrade to chaos warriors
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>>574574197
that's how discussions work. people with different opinions talk to each other without screeching like retards. also, i'm correct 100% of the time
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>>574573013
Doubt.
Repanse IS the anti-undead LL in TWW timeline.
If they add another one its going to be one with its own characteristics/themes (monster-hunter / bard / archer / Grail Knight / black Knight) (Bohemond / Tristan / Bertrand / Amalric / Mallobaude).
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>>574573690
I lash out sometimes.
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is there a mod to make the advisor shut up forever?
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>>574554559
Maybe play a Slaanesh faction if you want Exalted Daemonette that bad ?
Also if they add it (the mechanic) to Bretonnia you wouldn't be limited by a cross-faction recruitment issue.
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>>574573617
i'm trying to go for an empire captain style beard, but this is all i can grow. LL for this feel?
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>>574569178
man u are such a stat whore
no one cares about the stats, TW is all about the larp
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I'm so fucking done with warhammer fantasy
Tried to go for a wood elf campaign after not playing one in the last 5 years and I can't even go past the 20th turn
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>>574570521
Does customization really needs a "beta test"?
It should be as simple as changing assets in the engine when you select something
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>>574576943
>Repanse IS the anti-undead LL in TWW timeline.
If they keep her as the anti-undead LL then hope she gets more interesting army buffs. Buffs for peasant bowmen with fire arrows would be nice for one thing.

>Bohemond
>Bertrand
Hope we get these 2 as LLs.
Bertrand would be the best pick imo as he's the most distinct character given he's nothing like most of the other Bretonnian characters for obvious reasons.
He could also get Gui le Gros and Hugo le Petit as LHs too.
There's also a lot of potential to make his faction radically different to every other Bretonnian faction. He could be a horde, have a vassal, have limited access to some or all knights or all 3 of those things and more.

Bohemond is pretty similar to other characters (dude on a horse lmao) but he could have some fun mechanics and army buffs.
Maybe nets for spearmen to slow down enemy large units/poison attacks for spearmen/upgraded poisons arrows for peasant bowmen with pox arrows/something for anti-large cav, dunno what though, physical resistance maybe) If he also has a start location far away from the other LLs, like the chaos wastes it could make for a very interesting campaign.

I definitely want to see Amalric too. He'd be a good LH for applying anti-undead buffs to his army/debuffs to undead.
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i thought ogres were friends of the human factions fuck
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>>574578986
maybe try empire campaign if u wanna acc enjoy the setting
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>>574577947
>LL for this feel?
Any of the Dwarfs.
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>>574580570
ogres swing whatever way has more meaty dic...tionaries
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>i thought human were friends of the sheeps factions fuck
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>>574573392
Those pits
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>>574582335
this is too silly.
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>>574582519
Its for a game where everything is determined by futbal
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I've got a pretty nice cake being baked right now ll for this feeling?
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Beastspacemen RAA-ROO!
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>>574584659
katarin

also show us the cake when it's done
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>>574584659
anyone but elspeth (she's barren)
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>>574540974
>>574541231
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>>574584659
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You guys made it real
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>>574586724
we did it reddit
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>>574586724
>Ogors
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>>574586724
>Ogors
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>>574586724
Ogryns, my lord
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>>574541305
that exact image of Guilliman always reminds me of this epic quote of his:
https://youtu.be/8plRTZaNs7I
considered one of the top 3 most iconic quotes in the series, at least according to this video
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>>574586724
>age of poopymar
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>>574586724
>leagally dystyncte aenoughe to copyryghte Ogres, my Lord!
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>>574586724
>gentleman
>how do we copyright "Ogres"?
>I have an idea
>
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>>574587662
She looks like she fucks white human men.
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>>574588574
>>574588048
>Ogors
>Orruks
>Grots
>Aelves
>Duardin

How do you do, fellow Hyooruans? Nice day on our beautiful Edarth.
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>>574589818
Couldn't they just bribe the copyright officials?
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>>574587662
AOS > black eldar/elves
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>>574590003
They tried and failed with Space Marines.
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>>574586724
They will never the beat corposlop allegations for AoS
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>>574569003
Sacrifice him on the altar of game design and allow us to customize any generic lord or hero to our preference. Weapon loadouts, mounts, appearance. Let us make /ourguys/ in the game about /yourguys/.
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>>574590825
ass of shit
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>>574579170
It really isn't a beta test, more a proof of concept.
>Would it fit in a total war
Kinda thing.
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So, there has been a rumour about AoS being rebooted.
And apparently the entire gimmick about having multiple realms will be merged into a single world.
Which is huge
Now all they have to do is delete stormcast eternals
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>>574591038
>they actually tried to copyright a name that existed 50 years before their franchise
>when the authorities wouldn't let them they decided to change the names of all the races in their game so they could copyright everything
holy autism
I guess this is just the shit that happens when you let the legal department have a say
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>>574596234
There's a rumor that my hard cock is gonna penetrate your sissy boy ass.
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>>574596295
Its part of the reason we have Adeptus Astartesâ„¢ Primarisâ„¢ Intercessorsâ„¢ now. absolute freak out by a control freak company.
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>>574596614
They got freaked out by being unable to copyright space marines, it was real bad in their legal department apparently
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>>574596295
GW is the ultimate example of a company started by people that wanted to do something because they thought it was cool but the company gets completely given over to the (((shareholders))).
Literal communists make less ridiculous strawmen and stereotypes of capitalists than games workshop has become in real life.
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>>574596614
>Astra Militarum instead of Imperial Guard
>Aeldari instead of Eldar
>Drukhari instead of Dark Eldar
shit is so cringe
listening to the legal depart- I mean the Adeptus Lawyerus was a mistake
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1-3 Chaos Dwarfs
4-6 Cathay
7-9 HIgh Elves
0 I go play some other game for a bit instead
I have never played these factions.
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>>574597367
Well, best Helf lord to start with?
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>>574586724
What's the next Total War meme they'll canonize into official lore?
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>>574596695
They've also been freaked out since Blizzard struck gold with Warcraft by basically reusing a bunch of abandoned Warhammer assets because GW made the worst fucking business decision ever and cancelled the videogame.
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>>574597485
Eltharion but focus on taking over Ulthuan instead of the badlands
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>>574597485
My favorite is Teclis, specially now that you've got an option to abandon your HORRIBLE start position and also have an actually very good faction mechanic.
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>>574597817
Eltharion seems fun but the badlands bowl doesn't seem worth it so I might try this.
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>>574597889
what's his new faction mechanic
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>>574597485
Imrik
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>>574598290
Collect books from battle (basically same shit as Elspeth's schematics, Throt's juice, you know the deal) and spend them for global faction bonuses, unique mage heroes and giving one off uses of cataclysm spells to your armies.
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gonna be a fuckin slaughter (prob for me)
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>>574598690
Ah yes
Forts
Lost technology
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>>574598690
game lagging hard though lmao
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>>574598886
>>574598690
looks like its goin much better than i thought acc

>>574598790
i liked em more in medieval 2 where its a full ass castle lmao
stone forts
but i guess ancient romans couldn't rly do that
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>>574598690
>>574598886
>>574599340
shouldn't have doubted the big L
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>>574598790
no it isn't, Pharaoh had both Empire style stone forts and Rome 2 style wooden palisade forts
the technology isn't lost they just actively choose not to have it in the game because they consider warhammer babies too retarded to handle sieges, that's why they removed the minor settlement siege maps
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what if you hit mazdamundi with a modern cruise missile
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>>574602214
he would probably die
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>>574600115
>Pharaoh had both Empire style stone forts and Rome 2 style wooden palisade forts
explain, how could pharaoh have both? it makes no sense
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>>574603337
egyptian magic
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>>574600115
liar, they only have rome 2 wooden style palisades
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Who's the most fun chaos dwarf ll?
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>>574603780
they're all kinda samey
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>>574604068
Well who had the funnest start position
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>>574603780
Drazhoath
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>>574603780
I agree with the Drazhoath pick.
>Flying hybrid lord who can spam Flames of Azgorh at very low WoM cost.
>Buffs the coolest parts of the Chorf roster, K'daai and Infernal Legion.
>Cool narrative of being the dishonored and exiled chorf biding his time to show up Astragoth and get those fucking old farts off their positions of power.
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the game badly needs araloth
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>>574605306
nah
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>>574605306
Nah, it needs Naieth.
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>>574605373
no we already have enough plantslop, we need actual wood ELF legendary lords
>>574605364
they're missing their main LL dude, literally they don't even have a normal elf LL, it's just plants and trees and shit and a weird LL with 2 characters in one
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>>574605487
Naieth IS an elf, dummy.
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>>574605560
she was a hero not a lord
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>>574605686
...bro, do you fucking know how many current LLs were heroes in the tabletop?
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>>574605306
>not a single welf LL is a genuine natural-born welf
lmao
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>>574605306
Wmost'vewhichid've?
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>>574605808
not many, she fits a hero better, she can come with araloth
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>>574605918
Or maybe Araloth can go perform his ET role of moving Lileath's furniture to her new world and getting caught out and killed by Be'lakor on the road while Lileath is on her honeymoon with her new husband Louen.
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>>574605863
the karl franz/Tyrion/Malekith of the wood elves, the cover lord for the faction
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>>574606017
how's your transition going?
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>>574603337
>attack army in encampment stance
>Rome 2 style fort, no gates and wooden palisades you can burn down
>attack army sitting inside fort you built in your outside the city construction slots
>Empire/Napoleon style wooden fort, need siege weapons or engineers to start the attack, must break down gates or go over the walls
it's really not that complicated
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>>574604862
>>574604559
Alright, Draz is it. Any tips for Chaos Dwarfs since I've never plays them?
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>>574606395
lmao sad.
Come back when you aren't seething, retard.
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>>574606395
nta but chaos is clearly the tranny faction, not the elves
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>>574597485
Tyrion, he's basically designed to be newbie friendly
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>>574596234
would be really fucking retarded and so i can actually see it happening. gw is like left hand vs right hand
>kill off beloved but shit selling wargame
>create new extremely accessible wargame, sells great
>oh shit our old setting is popular because of vidya
>begin process of bringing it back
>bring it back
>now aos sells worse
>have genius idea to change aos to be more like fantasy for mass appeal, even though they already brought back fantasy, which has achieved a niche of it's own again (oldheads never stopped playing but now newfags can join easier)
seriously, what is the actual point? one of their games will lose out, and aos fans were already mad enough when beastmen got squatted to be moved to old world, and that faction literally had like one new model in all of aos' existence
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>>574606862
trvthnuke, faction all about body horror and transitioning n grooming
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>>574607473
GW is fucking stupid.
It's already very telling that they can't tell most of the time they have more and less well selling products because they make them more and less easy to actually opt into.

Like, sheesh, why do they fucking think the single most popular thing they've got is the army based on fewer numbers of elites who all use the same couple of paints across all models with very flat and easy to do surface areas?
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>>574607712
didn't even mean it as an insult I was just stating a matter of fact
like how history buffs overwhelmingly love the Imperial Guard and genuinely diagnosed autists love the Eldar, mtf transgenders are definitely overrepresented among Chaos fans
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>Spent $255 to pre order pic related
>Within only 40 mins of going live, it all got sold out
How the fuck? I always thought AoS wasn't as popular as Fantasy Battle. I remember asking if Cities of Sigmar army set sold that fast and it never did. So what the hell is this?
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>>574608792
Total war?
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>>574608792
It's as if Age of Sigmar is a fun tabletop game with bespoke miniatures. Shocking, I know
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>>574608792
>How the fuck? I always thought AoS wasn't as popular as Fantasy Battle
AOS isn't as popular on a broader cultural level but it sells much better than fantasy battles, which is gw's main metric
>Cities of sigmar set
Yeah GW probably overproduced that one because people were always saying they wanted 'normal guys' and then it didn't sell as well. meanwhile the patrician's choice (fat fucks) are very popular, especially because GW knocked it out of the park with them desu
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>>574608583
>look honey, our son and daughter have uploaded another video!
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>>574606536
You have no supply lines so don't shy away from making backup armies with laborers or hobgoblins
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>>574609898
aos has some sexy designs in it. wish there was more sphiranx porn
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>>574610395
>our son and daughter
anon, both those chaos fans are male
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Can't upload images because I live in a third world country (Australia).

As a noob, I am wondering if the following battle is winnable:

>dark elves (me)
> lvl 1 dark supreme sorceress + lvl 1 master
> 6 dreadspears + 1 bleaksword
> 6 darkshards
> 4 dark riders

vs.

>legion of gorequeen
>lvl 7 valkia + exalted hero of khorne
>3 x chaos warriors of khorne (1 halberd) + 3 marauder (2 great weapon) + 3 x dual wield marauders of khorne + 1 x bloodletter
>1 x skullcrushers + 3 x chaos warhounds + 2 x flesh hounds
> 1 x chaos trolls + 1 x chaos furies

I can usually beat the front line due to superior darkshard firepower but get wrecked on flanks.
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>>574611219
It's an uphill fight. Vakia is a bitch breaker.
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>>574609898
From what I've seen the chaos models are great, the lumineth just need the horns scaled down by a great degree, the sigmarines and new city guard of sigmar suck ass, the topknot samurai undead also need their topknots reduced, but the models are otherwise fine.
That isn't meant faceitiously, either. Lumineth if you fix the horns look cool, the samurai undead looked cool but the topknot/crest is too tall.

>>574596234
https://spikeybits.com/gw-rebooting-age-of-sigmar-into-last-world/
>Archy kills sigmar
>Stormcasts can't reforge
>1000 year time skip, closer in mood to warhammer fantasy
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>>574611792
>https://spikeybits.com/gw-rebooting-age-of-sigmar-into-last-world/
Reading this it sounds like worse slop than AoS.
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>>574611219
why dafuq can't you upload images in straya
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>>574613116
all of Australia except for the most populated cities in the country still have the internet infrastructure of a rural village in the early 2000s
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>>574612021
it's because aos, despite being corporate mandated, also has all the passionate creators that are still at gw working on it. the sculptors hate working on 40k because everything is already so defined and generic, and because gw just wants more and more basic cad space marines half the time. jobs random 3d print sculptors could do just as well
for every retarded copyright nonsense like 'ogor', you have kino art, lore that was at least made with some passion, or it's inherently cool stuff like sky dwarves or space lizards
atm modern 40k is the corposloppiest it's ever been, aos has the cool weird ideas, fantasy is the kino peak obviously but every new thing they make for it is usually dogshit (except the chaos warriors, they're sick) or they don't bother making anything new at all (the tomb kings are still using the same ugly ass skeletons they've been using for like 30 years, chaos warriors have been refreshed 5 TIMES since they released the tomb king skellies)
so it's extremely 'throw the baby out with the bathwater' just for some extremely short sighted attempts to make money, that just aren't gonna work. aos will sell worse now because of old world being around, but as long as gw is doing shit like picrel, old world is still gonna be fourth best selling of their lines at best, and that'll only get worse if they decide aos needs to ape it even more after getting it's own identity
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>>574614149
I don't necessarily hate AoS even if I like WHFB in concept. I just think breaking the whole ass fucking setting again and making it 40k lite with a religiously fanatic and xenophobic human majority empire sounds very fucking stupid. I liked that in WHFB the humans were more likely to work with the other order races (Both humans and Bretonnia work with High Elves, Dwarfs, and even Welves from time to time), even if they aren't alwaysbuddy buddy.
Turning the biggest human faction into the fantasy imperium just sounds like dogshit.
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>>574613116
our ip range is shit for 4chins
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>>574614536
yep, it's pretty stupid, as gw makes the imperium more fluffy and good guy to avoid invoking any feelings at all of moral complexity, aos goes from "the big cities are actually mixed of humans, dwarfs, ogres, elves, and weird other dudes" to "humans are the main part of the cities" and now "le XENOPHOBIC humans" for no good reason. very stupid, especially because cities of sigmar converters who were passionate about the lore were the only reason the faction survived to the point it did
for a long time gw was being told aos wasn't grimdark enough and they just ended up making a bunch of retarded choices instead. sucks too because bits like this with ogres, dwarfs, elves, and humans working together to fight vampires was kino and would've made a good tide game
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5uwihWGu-I
soon
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>>574615007
>the big cities are actually mixed of humans, dwarfs, ogres, elves, and weird other dudes
Yeah. When I heard about cities of sigmar as a faction, they seemed cool. The order races banding together, complimenting their strengths, covering their weaknesses, etc, seemed like a fun faction idea when most major factions are monoraced.
Oh well. GW is intent on making the worst choices it can so I guess AoS fans better get ready.
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>morons itt can't understand satire
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>>574615252
>Yeah. When I heard about cities of sigmar as a faction, they seemed cool. The order races banding together, complimenting their strengths, covering their weaknesses, etc
So GW just ended up making the alliance of warcraft with a warhammer skin.
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>>574615469
turnabout is fair play
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RAA ROO
RAPE AND PILLAGE

40k has beastmemes, right?
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>>574616193
The only representation Beastmen have on 40k tabletop is Tzaangors.
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>>574616193
As abhumans who get routinely lynched and pogrommed.
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>>574616298
they're existent, but unlike fantasy they aren't inherently evil, are abhumans, used in penal regiments and such. so many turn to chaos because chaos treats them slightly better
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>>574616193
Tzeentch has them as basic mooks.
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>>574616193
Even less significant than in fantasy, they are also a microscopic part of the imperial armed forces.
You spend a large portion of your time in space marine 2 beating their ass.
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>>574616681
This is false.
40k judges "mutants" on two criteria
1. Does it breed true?
If you put to of them together, do they make another one similar to the parents, or do they make a new horrible flesh mutant? If they breed true, then they get one point.
2. Are they warp spawned? Was chaos involved? If no, they get a second point.
You need two points in order to be allowed to get someone in the administratum to approve their existence. If you fail in either direction, you get burned at the stake.

Thus abhuman beastmen are not the same as chaos spawned beastmen. One serves in the imperium, and the other is the product of chaos taint.
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>>574617575
So why the Votann are classified as Xenos? They look way more human than raaroos.
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>>574618016
We the audience know that the Votann are not xenos, but the Imperium doesn't or doesn't consider them to be human anymore.
It is convenient because there are no "human faction but not in the Imperium" factions, just the Imperium, Chaos, and Xenos races.
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>>574618016
GW doesn't really know what to do with Votann.
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It seems I hge once again started a debate.
Raa roo
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>>574618238
Beastmen are a controversial subject.
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>>574617575
none of what i said was false, nor did any of it contradict these things
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>>574618401
I noticed.
Here, have this feline beastman. It is my friend. I feed it.
RAAAAH
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>>574618873
It has one eye.
Did you name it Toddbringer?
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>>574617575
What the fuck are you yapping about and what makes that dudes post 'fake'?
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>>574618987
No, he is Chatrak One Eye. He will one day pillage Altdorf.
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>>574618873
khatrak one eye
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>>574619072
He ignores beastmen like Tzaangor, which are not abhumans or in any way tolerated by the Imperium.
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>>574619190
tzaangors do breed true though. they are abhumans, just not sanctioned for obvious reasons
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>>574619121
I just made that joke a post above u.
Still funneh
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>>574619356
Which is why I said there were two criteria, not just one. Tzaangors fail the "warp caused" criteria. Other kinds of mutants, most of which never get mentioned because they're irrelevant, fail the first.
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>>574614149
>or it's inherently cool stuff like sky dwarves
You mean the reddit steampunk balloon dwarfs?
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>>574619464
all warhammer is reddit
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>>574619464
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You guys should debate over the importance of the Tiger to China/Cathay too.
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>>574619683
Bhashiva should've been a beastman with a big cat cock
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>>574620532
And Skarbrand should be able to take on female form but we both know that's not happening.
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Bhashiva should've been a catgirl
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Bhashiva should've been a catfuta with an enormous cock
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/twgay/
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TW:40k will make felinids real

trust the plan
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>>574621530
they're furries, anon. the latin name given for them indicates they have fur
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>>574589818
I've seen hyummans attempted before so you arent far off.
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>>574621820
Hirsutus just means "hairy." They were supposed to look like the Puma Sisters from Dominion Tank Police.
But I'm expecting pic related by the time we actually get them.
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>>574621530
nightsiders will be made canon first
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>very hard empire campaign
>paranoid about khazrak showing up
>turn 12, still haven't seen him
>turn 15 he shows up at Altdorf!!!
>...with two units of half dead ungors
>faction destroyed: Warherd of the One-Eye
well
okay
will I get to fight beastmen ever again
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>>574623110
Probably not. At best you get a random shitstack Raa Rooing out of nowhere and getting wiped out the same or next turn.
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>Worship chaos
>They literally always answer your prayers

>Worship Sigmar
>Nothing happens
How is that fair???
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>>574622549
>They were supposed to
citation needed
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>>574623110
>faction encountered: beastmen
>faction destroyed: beastmen
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>>574623629
Sometimes chaos answers your prayers by doing this to you.
This does not happen to you by worshiping sigmar.
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>>574623949
why have chaos spawn never been able to match the kino art
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>>574623235
>>574623829
While I was playing beastniggers and happily raped wood elves and elspeth pussy, malagor came up into the empire. I made frens with him. He had taken and destroyed the entire swamp, border princes and the minor dwarves below elspeth.
He even had sex with vampires.
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>>574624069
For the past decade+ they've all been made to match some specific tabletop models or something.
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>>574618016
>So why the Votann are classified as Xenos?
Basically there's a sliding scale. Abhumans are (relatively) tolerated, proscribed citizens are persecuted, and anything beyond that is classified as xenos. "Mutant" is not really a codified and specific concept in the Imperium but rather a generally understood concept for anything sufficiently diverged from the human genome as to be non-human. On official Adminstratum paperwork it's "Xenos Horrificus."
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>>574622550
>Nightsiders
My beloved abhumanfus
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>>574624069
Because the models look like this
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>>574623629
The forests of the Empire are filled with those who had their prayers answered by the dark gods
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>>574618130
>We the audience know that the Votann are not xenos, but the Imperium doesn't or doesn't consider them to be human anymore.
Even if the Imperium knew everything about them the classification would stick. While the Imperium tolerates vat-grown children with the Mechanicus and Krieg, the Votann have come to rely exclusively on it and their genes are curated by Abominable Intelligence. Because of that, there is very likely an identifiable genetic difference between Squats and Votann. The Ordo Xenos would finger that as a reason to justify the classification.
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As Empire, are Generals and Lectors really the only lords I should be using? Huntsmen generals seem like ass and master engineers I'm not sure on.
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>>574625080
You use engineers if the army relies on gunners or artillery or war machines.
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>10 years of total war:40k and a billion DLCs
>people are unironically nostalgic for fantasy
>CA announces.... TOTAL WAR AGE OF SMEGMA (if it hasn't died by then)
do you like?
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>>574624954
Until they have an in universe person describing them as xenos I'm just gonna assume it's more GW stupidity because their website only has categories for space marines, imperium, xenos, and chaos, and they just stuck the squats in xenos
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>>574608792
Anon AoS mops the floor with wfb in the model selling world. Even now that ToW exisys they're not even real competition
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>>574625080
I prefer Generals over Lectors because Warrior priests are easy to get. And Geberals are pretty good nowadays.
And like other Anon said you can use Engineers if your army relies on Artillery tanks or a ton of missiles.
Huntsmen are just a meme now
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>>574626102
Why would it dying get in the way? Fantasy died and then they made total warhammer, lel
Total warhammer 3 is basically already an AOS game given how much it rapes fantasy lore and is about portals n shiet
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>>574625695
world of warcraft loookin ahhh
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>>574626381
Well it was 2006.
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>>574626168
Fair enough.
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>>574625080
Engineers are the best all around, generals don't have much going for them until they get the gryphon but at least the mount is pretty alright
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>>574611219
I doubt it since but if you can wipe her starting Chaos Warriors and Skullcrushers you'll gimp her for the foreseeable future.
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>cant confed setra as khalida because teehee he doesnt serve so go to war with your best ally to get long victory
gay
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Time for another Mommy campaign
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>>574629952
I look like this irl
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>>574481354
this
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hannibal barca more like hannibal caca
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>>574629952
No I play the good guys only
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Cry "Havoc!" and let slip the cocks of war.
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Hear me our!
>LL
Naieth (lore of Athel Loren)
>LH
Araloth
>Lord
Glamourweave (lore of Athel Loren)
>Hero
Shadowdancer
>Units
Beasts Pack
Chariots
Wind Riders
Treeman (strangleroots)
Life Elemetal
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>>574626102
More like:
>CA announces.... TOTAL WAR THE OLD WORLD (if it hasn't died by then)
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>>574634764
Mmm.. pretty sure we already have that. I mean, we have all the units and lords we need. They can just make a new campaign and call it old world.. put the lords and units in, done.
I dunno if franz was ruler during old world but Cathay stays exactly the same, the vamps stay the same, the dawi and empire lose some high tech gun powder units cause Cathay taught them about that shit..
But it's mostly the same. Or am I dumb?
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>>574597367
rolling
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>>574597367
dubs and play rogue trader
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>>574633303
Flip naieth and araloth
Eternal wardens as a medium armor infantry unit would be pretty nice to have too
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>>574635604
You aren't taking the nostalgia factor into account (ten years down the line).
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>>574520397
The post is correct. No one should base their morality off of wether or not they are good to one specifoc group that is not their own lol
Idk why he brought up racism, since this is basic logic. Racist nationalists irl know that groups have their own interests and aren't gonna cater to others and are precisely arguing against that.
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>>574639330
>No one should base their morality off of wether or not they are good to one specifoc group that is not their own lol
I freaking love the bugs too!
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>>574639795
the initial post wasn't some kind of pretentious reddit take on racism and you are fucking retarded if that was what you think it was.
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>>574639795
Are you shitposting or retarded?
I am literally arguing what right wing nationalists are arguing and it's the opposite of "loving the bugs"
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>>574639795
The post is arguing that humans should not give a single shit about the bugs. And that bugs shouldn't give a single shit about the humans.
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There are no bad units. Only bad players
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>>574640170
empire demigryphs
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Predictions for the skaven rework in the Thanquol dlc?
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>>574640214
>T. Bad player
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>>574640286
Undercities will be uncoupled from settlement state so you don't loose them when it gets rekt by somebody. Maybe even they make it possible to own both, like dwarf deeps.
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>>574640286
400 range jezzails
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>>574640214
How?
They are solid monster cav, especially halbers for killing large
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>>574640170
Ackchually, there are units that cost more and weaken your army without doing anything.
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>>574640584
they just don't perform like a level 4 cav should
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>>574640170
There are units bad for autoresolve though.
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>>574640584
The lances are quite bad
Older monster cav generally lacks enough stats to make up for model size and splash attack jank
Halberds are good-ish because those issues don't come up as often when fighting monsters and cav
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getting prooot fatigue
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>>574641287
DIEEEE EAT JAVELINS
ofc these moloch worshippers are doing this to innocent proots by making them fight
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are (You) better than very easy autoresolve?
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velites got crushed
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>>574641720
i kill that
and another 20 stack materializes out of fucking nowhere
one thing u can say about this mod is it makes u hate carthage scum as much as the ancient romans acc did
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>>574641928
oh that's just the garrison xd
hell of a garrison tho
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>>574641928
Are you playing with mods?
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>>574642043
yeah DEI with tiny cities + tiny VFX
makes the campaign map way nicer looking imo, rome 2 campaign map is kinda ugly vanilla
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>>574642085
tiny cities also adds these battle markers but no info on the battle if u mouse over sadly
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>>574633303
Do not flip Naeith and Araloth. The fuck do people even like Araloth for? He's literally just a regular glade lord with no special traits that once fought a demon in dreams but didn't amount to anything by the end except impotently stand around when Ariel tried to fuck Morghur. Naieth is literally behind every single time the Wood Elves have participated in the broader world outside Athel Loren's events, and her farseeing could lend itself to becoming a mechanic while Araloth would just do the same as every other Welf LL.
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kek every time I open this family tree
rip L niger
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>>574643046
>age 1
:(
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trying out that historic loadscreen mod too
700mb for a few images is kinda insane but eh
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>>574589818
>>574622464
Hylians tmIt's also a nation so its cheating
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>>574644941
absolute slaughter battles man
need to gtfo out of africa before my armies become 80% nubian mercs
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I urge anyone playing the game "Total War: Warhammer 3" by Creative Assembly to download the Tabletop caps mod and no RoR mods.

They improved the game tremendously.
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>>574646373
>tabletop caps
maybe
>no RoR
ABSOLUTELY NOT
love muh RoRs
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>>574646497
RoRs aren't bad per se, but they way CA implemented them is completely fucking retarded.
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everyone hates me already man
dogs
cept egypt
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>>574640650
Do you order them or do you hit a button and hope to win like this idiot >>574640856
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>>574624241
>For the past decade+ they've all been made to match some specific tabletop models or something.
It was always like this. Nothing really changed here, developer would need to have a very good justification to create anything brand new, which usually boiled down to a particular character. Anything which is not a tabletop wargame is merely an adaptation of it.

Actually wouldn't surprise me if that was the issue with those Cavill movies/tv shows. It's easy to make art/video games/toys reflect miniatures. Far harder to make movies reflect miniatures, but that's the sort of autism GW would be forcing. Usually it's the other way around, movies do whatever they want and then movies, toys, comics or even miniatures like in case of GWs LOTR game copy movie visuals. Not here.
Same reason Femstodes exists probably, Amazon wants stronk wymyn and there is basically fucking nowhere to put them. So GW retconned Custodes to have wymyn in an advance, as a compromise of sorts
>>574625695
Those are just old chaos spawns
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>>574626458
mogs these
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>>574626458
actual women

>>574646975
an honest to god tranny made by someone that has never seen a woman
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>>574647107
maybe the 2006 witch elves could be a more fit looking to reflect their role and not the smooth sex machines that they are, but yes, its genuinely offensive to women that one of the most "Girlbossy" units in the game has the body of a man straight up, no actual women were consulted when designing that unit kek
perhaps Grace, which wanted to mog them
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>>574646975
People here don't remember Jaco and Tom rivalry anymore...
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>>574647321
maybe jews aren't so bad
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>>574647321
who won
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big mistake buddy
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>>574647708
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>>574647835
they ate those brimstone pits
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>>574646832
I order them.
The best example are Archers (Light Armor).
I you test em with regular archers against missile fire or melee engagements, they hold and kill exactly 0 more than the regular version. Their gold value is way higher tho. That means, if you 1 unit of light armor archers gets trashed by say.. a spell.. you lose more balance of power than if your regular archer units get trashed. That leads to longer fights, more losses on your end cause their leadership holds on for longer.
So you pay more recruit and upkeep to make your army absolutely worse. There is 0 gain, only downside.
So that unit is absolutely worthless.
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>>574646832
Same is true for many trash melee infantry like the Skavenslaves. The spear version will never hold line better or even kill. You are wasting gold, weakening your economy and ruining your balance of power because they have higher gold value.
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>>574648849
What mod do you guys use for tooltips?
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simply outplayed
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>>574649161
https://twwstats.com/
baka..
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>>574649386
much as i love javelins
cretan archers are just insane
broken unit
sadly in DEI they don't have their signature floppy hats.... probably some historical autism
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If 40k releases with battle passes or gacha mechanics, will 40k fans still buy it?
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>>574651605
40k fans would buy it if it released unplayable
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>>574651605
Ofc, a battlepass actually makes a game better. Imagine we got shitloads of custom armor and paintjobs and weapons for our armies and LLs in wh3. It's just an optional feature, the game works without you buying it but for those who like customization it's great.
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>>574651605
40kfags would happily buy Space Marine-themed dildos to eagerly shove up their gay asses
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>>574651605
Yes
I'll be playing the game for a while anyways so it won't make that much difference, I can probably grind out the BP fully actually
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>retarded passfag somehow keeps getting more retarded
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>>574651979
You don't like paying 10 bucks for years of free customization? I paid for the Tekken 8 Battlepass exactly once. It keeps giving me the coins back to buy another. I have an enormous library of customization items.
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>>574651605
I will buy it if it has beautiful Cathayan women
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I just want to live long enough to play exodites
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look at what im forced to use in my army man
I hate carthage so fucking much
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>>574653324
how do you even do exodites in a game where the strategic map is spaceship and shit
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>>574653346
Basket Shields...
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another one dead
2 to go... come on survive
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>He's standing behind me, isn't he?
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It's over
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>>574655587
>>574655587
>>574655587
>>574655587
>>574655587
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>>574591283
how did they get away with yhetees for so long
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Can we get a better thread



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