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>>574538392:p
I'm such a Normal NPC!
Aqua !!!
>holidays are evil red herring>normal npc red herring >the lake red herring
>>574538514normal npc is some cyan bird not a red herringstupid idiot
>>574538261Kruts received the brand of friendrifice
I feel like I'm missing something whenever people mention ERAM. They're talking about the Mantle from chapter 3 right? From the video game? I thought it was pretty obvious it was another character using them to communocate with us, and that the mantle itself wasnt a distinct character. But everyone online talks like it is??Am I missing some epic info hidden in the code or something?
>>574538514>>574538602This. Are you stupid?
>we need to kill Dess, Asriel, Kris and Noelle to get the good endingFact
>>574538630people just refer to them directly since we have no idea who they really are
>>574538630When people say ERAM 90% of the time they're talking about whatever was holding the mantle whether it's a character manifesting itself into the game or an avatar being controlled
>>574538514Tbh I'm assuming the Knight is like not even Dess but some shit like the "Absence" of Dess. We about to have some Organization XIII type nobody shit given Deltarune is just Kingdom Hearts for people who are terminally online autistic instead of autistic but existed before the online consumed meatspace
RED HERRING? Where can I EAT that?
>>574538838Kris is a heartless...
>>574538901Is that the seal that trapped all the monsters underground?
There can't be only one ending If you kill everyone In Hometown with the twisted sword :)
>>574539014Nah Kris is a nobody with somebody else's heart.
what if the Knight isn't any particular character and it's just a random evil thing of darkness like the Titans
>>574539014No, if you don't have a heart, you are nobody, but if you have no body you are a heartless.
>>574539128I can neither confirm nor deny that that is the magical seal that trapped the monsters underground or even "Seal, the Fountain," but we've narrowed down the suspects to this fearsome bunch of criminells.
>>574539328but it can exist in the light world
>>574539253The normal route is Normal Npc killing everyone so no. Nothing change.
>>574538147highly adorable
I replayed 5 and cried again
>>574539328Then why even bother hiding the Knight's identity? "Here's your main antagonist, he's just some guy who does bad shit'YEAH I FIGURED THAT ONE OUT ALREADY NUMBNUTS. The Knight mystery being just, some guy sucks. You need at least some personal skin given how the Knight and Kris treat each other.
>>574539394Sunce the Titans are their own fountains, they should be able to exist in the lightworld since all dark worlds exist in the light world
>>574539394we never seen what the knight looks like in the light world. Maybe it still looks like the Knight.
>>574539392Please share the sauce on the seals
>>574539406What makes normal npc so powerful that he can kill everyone?
>>574539484galuf's death always hits me yea
>>574539589Did you just spoil Final Fantasy Five for Me. What the Fuck.
>>574539545Owning a gun
>>574538838I think if the Knight is Dess it has to be the bona fide article in some way or the plot will feel toothless
>>574539690* You can't even call me "gay" anymore.
>>574539678no I'm just shitposting he's fine
i dont know what to draw maybe i'll just practice
>>574539678I mean, Chapter 5 literally has another FFV reference, the room where you get the Flower's weapons for pink coins, it's a reference to the sealed weapons room in FFV where you need tablets to open them and get the legendary weapons you want
>>574539875>tfw you will never have a threesome with kris and aqua
>>574540035would ralsei let me do genocide?
the deltarapists have arrived
>>574540134who are these people
>>574540187mtn dew drinkers
>>574540134NUGGET BISCUIT NUGGET IN A BISCUIT
>>574540035undertale but everyone gets immediately stunned by the amount of brainrot frisk spits out
Is deltarune becoming too popular? At least my impression is that because more and more larpers on social medias are appearing.
>>574539726Eh, my issue is the unused text is clearly meant to be Dess. Literally turns to the camera and says "DONT FORGET"Yeah you can argue it takes place earlier but like the Knight itself doesn't have anything inside its chest piece the "ribs" crack open to reveal some kind of eye or core. It's clear that whoever is the Knight is not like a "true" lightner just because the knight can shapeshift. Something Susie and Kris haven't been able to do, they can just change outfits. Same for Berdley and Noelle or AsgoreIt's why its clear to me assuming the Knight is a normal lightner is dumb because the Knight can do shit Lightners can't do in the dark world. Assuming Chapter 6 doesn't have Carol and Rudy form a voltron or some shit I'm fairly confident in this given we're five chapters in.We know the Knight is made of Shadow Crystals now and shadow crystals form when dreams are broken. So my assumption is that the knight is either manifested from either Dess' broken dreams manifesting in her body after the Dessaperance and forming the Knight and her mind/soul now lingering in the dark world as a disembodied consciousness or Dess is a evolution of a Dustner with the latter involved. We've never seen a comatose body. Theoretically we could find Dess but I feel Deltarune is setting up for a much more bitter/bittersweet ending so I suspect Dess won't be coming home unless at a terrible price (ie: the dark world forever lost)Tbh its naive but I really want this game to end like the movie labyrinth lol
>>574540385Deltarune is the most discussed topic on 4chan, yeah it's way too popular.
This solo has become my favorite bit from any Toby Fox songhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWf9_qSrnOM&t=71
>>574540187tectone is a big anti woke chud and raped his gf or something you should know tobuscus he became racist too
>>574539705...Yeah that would do It
>>574539536Elonxitter is a piece of shit, and autosuspends any of my accounts and Xcancel/Nitter rate limited my searches, so have this for now
>>574540187drug addict rapist criminals who scam certain people for money by begging for donations
Remember back when only chapter 1 was out and very few actually cared about deltarune beside "undertale 2" because the majority still thought undertale was better?
>>574540715Deltarune Chapter 1 was definitely smaller scale with its story for its time but it was mechanically superior to Undertale.
>>574540715I still think Undertale is better, and I still only care about how it connects to Undertale.
>>574539536found it https://xcancel.net/austinsgotworms/status/2044913159203361240
>>574540715I liked it
>>574540187Tobuscus was a popular minecraft youtuber back in his prime, nowdays his channel is legit disturbing but hilarious. It's all the most actual IRL schizophrenic rants. You think Deltarune theories are schizo?Watch this
chapter 6 in 6 or 7 months! Woohoo!
remember when rouxls was the character for the fujos?
>>574540686This assumes Kris listens to Toriel in the slightest. Kris cares for Toriel but like doesn't "respect her" if that makes sense. She hasn't been looped into the dark world for a reason
>>574540940oh my fuck, I've literally only ever known Tobuscus as the guy to did fun videos like Safety Torch and short vlogs with is mom and stuff what the fuck is this?
whats even the point
>>574541069not as a hyperbole, but he has actual schizophrenia, as in the actual sickness like Terry A.Davis and, like him, became a gigantic conspiracy nut after a lot of falling outs. This isn't even 10% of the stuff he posts nowdays. He's more active on twitter going on rants and picking fights with people over politics
>>574540404I'm thinking more in terms of Kris and the Knight's relationship and how it domineers them and they act subservient to itLike Kris kneeling to and being knighted by basically a memory feels weaker than kneeling and being knighted by an actual person, you know what I mean?
>>574541153JEVIL RELEVANCY IN CHAPTER 6 BABY
>>574541153Any videos like this as of late
>>574540271hot...
there isnt anything queer in deltarune besides suselle
>>574541337
>>574541337Blue and Yellow but i guess in their case it's ok because it's funny and also they are flowers, plants mix genders all the time
>>574541337Not totally wrong
>>574541253Tbh that kinda works in its own way Kris is clearly haunted by the past. The bunker, the demon summoned in the woods, whatever incident sent them to art therapy. The promise Kris made controlling them. So yeah being controlled by a distant warped memory or a familiar but altered shadow?Yeah, that fits what we understand of Kris.
>>574541318
>>574541337>he hasn't discovered the queer route yet
>>574538261
if toby really wants deltarune to stand out this needs to happen in the actual game
>>574538415Cute kris and mews!
>>574541337Correct. 'They' will try to convince you otherwise though...
i am a faggot with aids
>>574541572get in line bucko
I am a straggot that drank lemonade
hey asgoreanon if you're here do you like this asgore
>>574541181That's... actually kinda sad. He seemed like such a bright and creative fellow back in the day.
i'm pretty dumbo, so can anyone please explain to me why the flowers are fixated on being human? flowery says the flowers wanted to know what it meant to be driven by emotion and what it meant to be monster or what it meant to be human but then why is everyone fixated on being only human? does asgore have a human fetish and they're appealing to him?
>>574541572we know asrielfag/mettatonfag/pippinfag/asgorefag/tennafag
>>574541692Asgore loves KrisKris=Love Kris=HumanHuman=Loved by AsgoreSimple mental math
>>574541708>mfw four of these are just kraut
>>574541692maybe it's something to do with Asgore's researchmaybe it's something to do with the true nature of the darknessmaybe it's because Kris opened the fountainwho knows
>>574541692flowery mentions asgore "needing" a human which sounds like a loaded way to phrase which must mean it has a history that we just don't know about yet
>>574541692dark world made by kris + asgore's love for kris who needed lots of reassurance it's ok to be human
>>574538261Hooman!
im straight with no aids
>>574541692the flowers have the colors of the human souls so a human theme out of darkness appeared or something idk
>>574541904Same!
i'm old! gyah hah hah!
>>574541692I feel like all of the explanations in the Universe of Deltarune make no sense.They're obviously human because they're meant to parallel the humans from Undertale. Now is it possible that them paralleling the humans from Undertale has some actual meta explanation in game? Could happen. Maybe.
i'm straight with deltaids
>>574541823krautgawd would never be a homosexual
I'm flabbergastered by this level of analysos
>>574538234I agree with this, but more than just the gameplay angle is the story angle. It actually took me a couple weeks to realize this is what it was trying to go for because its a failure on a fundamental level, the reason they make a big deal about sparing Flowery instead of fighting him is because there's SUPPOSED to be a pattern of chapter bosses being unsparable. This is their "We are serious about breaking expectations and the prophecy, we dont care you're the big bad we arent fighting you just because we 'have to'" moment. This pattern was supposed to be established with King.But that pattern doesnt exist. King doesnt need to be fought either, you can tire him out. The first phase of Queen's fight has a non-violent route. Tenna LITERALLY TELLS YOU HOW TO SPARE HIM. Sure, the Knight and the Titan were unsparable but.... duh? Unless you're telling me Susie will now SPARE THE TITANS if the Roaring happens, they're outliers here because they are the main villains behind everyone, shes not going to flirt them into submission. So this pattern doesnt actually exist, the forcing you to spare thing is now the exact opposite of breaking conventions, its reinforcing a forced narrative. It exists to yell at you for playing the game "the wrong way", it doesnt actually accomplish anything meaningful.
mogged by face lenght
>>574542214sheer numbers
Flowery should have been cancelled for this
>>574542326Kris Lamp
>>574542329Ralsei, you murderer
>>574542214Noelle unironically could molest or rape Kris and they could do nothing about It.
Honestly, the real let down of Chapter 5 was Asgore. Not in the characterization but the way the game builds him up. You start seeing him get angry, you start seeing him get threatening and see him at his worst. It's build-up of a fight or at least a confrontation where he spills the beans on what the incident was. and then at the end he develops past that off-screen.
>>574542332this is for the player to understand that asriel sometimes misgenders kris and also +1 to kris was born a girl theory
>>574542332Toby forgot to change this scene when he made some flowers enbies.
>>574542361
Susie calls Kris dude but also call Kris they. Curious
>>574542394Kris is lucky that they haven't a tail like Susie. She would molest their tail probably.
im still catching myself "singing" attack of the killer queen when nothings going on
>>574541632Why do you need some fag's approval of something before you're allowed to jerk off to it?
>>574542558this is me but flower man
>"huh, you're a hero?">"me? nah">"Why don't you close YOUR fountain th- w-wait what?">"How about we fucking rape you?'
Kris? doe rapemeat
who will win?
This is just weeb Twin peaks
>>574542817my pot it getting cold!
>>574542702Thats been in the rotation a couple times too, story might be slipping but im glad toby is at least still capable of making "sing with weird mouth sounds unconsciously" tier tracks
>>574542843Latter, as proven by the Shinobeetles and suspicious lack of bug people in Hometown.
never forget togore
>>574542558It's weird but this is actually Chaos King for me
>>574542656um... i'm not asking for his permission nor am i jerking off to it, it's not even porn
>>574542843A flowers for algernon scenario seems unusually cruel for deltarune so I assume it'd be the first option. You can say they did that for the flowers, but they go back to being regular plants, an animal is already sentient, so removing that would be weirdly cruel.
>>574543010he fought well
>>574542558It's TV TIme or THE WORLD REVOLVING for me
>>574542817Isn’t that just persona 4
chill thread... slow... i'm getting tired and I'm almost done finishin up a translation... as soon as i finish sending this over to score i'll drawfag for the thread, so be sure to reply to me with anything you want me to drawdo beware i'm not like, good at colors. but i can try if you want, just tell me and i'll do italso i've been considering getting a tablet but like, nahhhhhhhh no money for it, so sadly mouse is all i'm destined for....
>>574543274P4 is not really weird like Twin Peaks as opposed to DR
>>574543304>with anything you want me to drawWingsOfRedemption throwing a PS4 controller at Noelle's head
Making a theoru video on who slashed the fun gang in the knight fight, the intro will be a retro gaming magazine going over “secrets”.If any artists here want a piece they’ve done featured as the cover, let me know! You’ll be credited both in the bio and the credits, have all your socials shown,and a shoutout in the credits of course. Please note I am NOT asking for new art done, just looking to use something as a cover. If you want anything else added, of course I would use but I figured I’d ask here since there are so many talented people and you might want to show off a bit
>>574543304Susie jamming a stick in a bike's spokes while riding it pls
Good morning, I am sexually titillated by pedophilic transgender women>>574526561Smells good!
>>574543557Absolutely fucking not, dossier-sama
>>574541692It's a reverse of kris wanting to be a monster. Sort of like "Hah, silly kris wanting to be a monster! why not want to be a human, being a human is great!" This theme is exemplified with the Aqua Kris cafe scene.
>>574543557I am not gonna tell you what video to make, but aren't you like a year late?There are really only three options anyway, the Knight, Kris or the schizo option, Toriel
>>574543684Don’t know what a dossier-sama is but the fact it exists means I haven’t been paying attention to the weird drama that goes on in here.
>>574541973People don't want to accept that a lot of things happen in Deltarune based on vibes rather than set up and payoff.
>>574543304kris in ocarina of time link's outfit
>>574543805People like you are silly billies missing some major context going on. That’s why I’m making the video!
Youtube keeps giving me horse videos...Susie is Horse confirmed...?
>>574543805and ralsei
>>574543983sorry that's my bad, i was clicking on horses, should be fixed now
How old is Kris supposed to be?Cause pizzapants says they were in a band with Dess and Asriel no? Wouldnt it be weird if the age gap too large
>>574543557Its the Knight, the important part isnt "Who did it", its "Who let it happen", because Kris couldve stepped in at any moment to take a shot for Susie. He did it against King and Statue Gerson, and that last one was in complete darkness, he couldve taken the Knight's attack if he didnt want her to get hit. That's why he gets Knighted, he managed to stand by and let his boss attack his friends without moving an inch
>>574544020there are less than 100 people in hometown, it was probably nothing serious. and asriel and kris are siblings
>>574544254? What?
Seth's cute micropenis
>>574543805Always bet on Kris's Knight is Alive and EvilActually don't you'll lose TheoryCoin
>>574544020dess is similar in age to azzy so do the math, he is in his first year of college while kris is in highschool, do the math
>>574544020Gorillaz had a kid as one of the characters and no one got mad. I think
>>574544383We dont know azzys age either tho
did uhhh /trash/ get nuked? a bunch of threads including /doe/ got 404'd
>>574544474cattyknight
Hey boys!
>>574544308it's would be weird because:1. kris and asriel are siblings, it's normal to include siblings in your hobbies/activities, especially to make kris feel more normal and accepted since they're the only human in town2. it's a small town and everyone knows everyone, so everyone knows they're siblings3. it was probably just for fun, it's not like they were seriously going to perform somewhere
>>574544514looks fine to me
what would susie do if she found out that noelle raped kris
>>574544629(me)*wouldn't
>>574544514>making me check /doe/fuck you sometimes you find cool stuff there
>>574544514how dare you make me check /trash/
I love fish
Burgerpants was 19 and Pizzapants seems older than Burgerpants wasI think it's likely that Asriel is like 21 and had to go to college late because of family and money problems
>>574541594kitty titties
>>574541692Humans are a unique fixture of the Dreamurr family. Humans also have a special relation to dark fountains, which Asgore is obsessed with
>>574544664
>hey, raly>sorry to keep a ladyboy in waiting
Smile again!
>>574544664i don't think susie would fully understand.she'd ask "but you kept going?" "like you did...that... down there?" "did kris say anything?" "do you guys usually..." "i mean if kris still hangs out at your house then..." and noelle, who confessed in a fit of guilt and self destruction, isn't getting the response she anticipated because susie's trying to justify it. a part of her feels bad for guiding susie to the conclusion that it's normal, but it's been a long time since someone was moldable like putty in her hands like this, kris is all cold and hard and distant nkw
my thumb is shaky whenever I use a mouse or a controller, is that normal? asked ms. cattenheimer
>>574542558>>574542702>>574543229Almost all of the final boss themes suck because they're too "main themey" for me. Like they're objectively well made songs and they are unique but there's weirdly still some super generic quality to them. Some of the secret bosses (Spamton, Gerson) suffer from this too. Anyone else feel like this?
>>574545060
>>574545313What the fuck are you going on about
>>574545313i get it but it's not something i dislike, toby makes the same 5 songs and it does get repetitive
>>574545313Name your fave songs that don't have this problem
I BECOME THE BIGGEST THIRD WHEELER
>>574541692This Chapter hints that there’s something fundamentally unique about humanity in Deltarune, but we can’t quite say what yet, I don’t think.Flowery says that 2 things need him to be human:>Asgore>the FountainWhen it comes to the latter, we know that only humans are capable of closing Dark Fountains… for some reason. Even though everyone can open them, because everyone possesses Determination. I think this Chapter is kind of problematic for the theory that there aren’t naturally souls in Deltarune, because the implication seems to be that ANY human can do this, and not just some special Undertale soul entity created by Double-Ds Goonster. But WHY would Flowery think that him taking the shape of a human would be sufficient to close the Fountain? Doesn’t he need a unique human soul? >this dream was always set to end… even if we defeated youDoesn’t this make it sound like he’s confident he could close the Fountain himself, somehow? He wanted the Fun Gang to leave altogether. As to the former, as to why Asgore needs a human… well, we know Flowery’s goal is to help Asgore forget his difficult past for a time and enjoy a perfect world. Everything about Flowery, from his humanity to his goofy voice lines, are calculated to make Asgore laugh and smile. When Flowery first shows up, Susie gets confused and hurriedly asks>why does he look like one of those human—So, he’s not just pretending to be a human, but a specific kind of human. An entertainer? An anime character from one of his hero comics? Does he think that will cheer him up? It’s possible. But the wording is vague enough to make me think that another answer is possible, and things may become clearer when we learn more about humans in this world.
Any explanation for why chapter 2 exists in terms of plot? I mean we know The Knight opened that fountain, but why? What was she trying to accomplish?
>>574545952>sheWe still don’t know who the Knight is!>why open a fountain there specificallyWe still don’t know. An abandoned classroom? The computer lab? Kris’ house? The church? What are the significance of these places? We can’t say, and Kris is deliberately working to keep us in the dark.
>>574545952The prophecy requires The Queen's Chariot to Be Unstoppable and that requires a Dark World adventure with Queen to occurAs for why specifically Kris couldn't make that particular Dark World it's unknown but we do know that the laptop that became Queen was also "the girl's" make-believe OC just like how King was Kris's
is it okay if i don't bother overanalyzing the plot because the game is unfinished
>>574546137Yes, though it’s fun if you don’t convince yourself you know everything and get mad when the game throws you a curveball.
>>574545754im so fucking tired of hints man i just want toby to explain shit as it happens instead of teasing the idea of vague clarity until the last hour. I dont feel like we're solving a mystery anymore, I feel like we're writing a story Toby cant be bothered to himself
haha, Kris! you were raped by my daughter.
>>574546137Congratulations you are a normal human being
what would kris think of your posts?
>>574546350Kris would totally groove with my sense of humor
I made this
>>574546350I think Kris would be grossed out by the ways in which I sexualize them.
>>574546227Well, you just have to remember that Toby is writing a game meant to be played in a normal amount of time, not a game meant to be played over 10 years. We’re getting a game that deliberately keeps its cards close to its chest until the ending to surprise you, with whatever fever dream Toby saw.
Kris is 50% Oersted 50% Shadow the Hedgehog 50% Squall Leonhart
>>574546445If that was true, then he would've just released the game in full rather than in an episodic format.
>>574546510That’s what he wanted to do initially.
>>574546445That's not an excuse, he's had 8 fucking years to adjust the script to this style of release and he keeps sticking by it. He has known since ch2 that the story would not be released all at once
>>574546568Why would he adjust the script? Deltarune will be played for many years to come after the full game is released.
toby likes these episodic releases its very homestuck flash
>>574546674Because he's deciding to NOT release it all at once, he cant have his cake and eat it too. If he wanted the game to be designed with the idea you play all of it at once, he shouldve fucking released it that way. No one is forcing him to release chapters before the game is finished
>>574546802Maybe you should just stop being pissed off about it.
>>574546682Who would be pim here
>>574545492>fave songs that dont have this problemAll my favorite songs tend to be simple/atmospheric ones like Dialtone and GLACEIR and Another Medium (which may explain the taste difference) but my favorite normal songs that dont have that issue areworld revolvinglegendch 5 egg roomparadise paradiseblack knifeever highersunset of seven sunsim telling/stop criminell/who might you be>big deal/main themey songs that dont have this problemmew mewasgorefield of hopes and dreamschaos kingspamtons normal themeswordraise up your batany dont forget based song>undertale songs that do have this problemhis themehopes and dreamsave the worldonce upon a time a teensy tiny bitActually comparing the songs altogether now, it feels the songs I'm complaining are trying too hard>>574545467>toby makes the same 5 songsI don't mind
>>574546852No
Best of Fave, mm, Best of Fave
Dess is secretly half goat because Asgore got Rudy mpreg. This is the secret hidden in the shelter.
deltarune needs more depression allegories
I just finished the twisted route and the weird route, man is it just me or is the lake scene some of the best stuff Toby has ever written
>>574547150Bricked.
>>574546682Am I the only one who doesn't find smiling friends funny at all
>>574547401I got one copy gifted on steam and I already had one on my switch, checkmate tobert
>>574547401 up
when kris struggled to not move in the opening of chapter 5 weird route i got a boner
Just came really hard imagining me rape correcting Susie with rough sex as Kris for being a lesbian whore!
>>574545952It's the starting point of Susie and Noelle's relationship
i still believe in krusie
Little blue girls
i get along without you very well
>4chan is just a daily retread of the same fuckass bait>twitter got some fuckass update that makes it harder to find art and more annoying to browse artist's feeds>reddit is fucking garbageWhere the hell am I supposed to get my Deltarune fix, why is the internet so shit for discussing stuff and engaging with other fans now?
>>574541337my brother in christ, tricky tony is turning any pairing that arent already parents into some flavor of gayand all the parents are either unimportant, on the verge of divorce or already divorced>Toriel and Asgore obviously>Rudy is unhappy with Carol from what weve seen so far>Queen took lone custody of Lancer while King rots in his cellTobias' gay bias:>Susie and Noelle obviously>Catti has way too many personal issues with Susie claiming Noelle>Berdly is atleast bisexual, considering his third choice is Kris to date>Ralsei keeps blushing around Kris and they keep getting put together in intimate moments>Alphys has a crush on Undyne even in Deltarune>Blue and YellowPizzapants can either have a slowly growing relationship with Bratty, a friendship with Catty or you can make the Ice Cream Guy confess the prank which pisses him off but its still slightly implied Ice Cream Guy fell in love with Pizzapants ("i liked our talks together and i really think youre a great guy") so I think toby is still going to twist this into some kind of gay love reconciliation after Pizzapants gives up on women
>>574547925stop trying to talk about deltarune every day, it's not healthy for you
New Sans content always makes me happy.https://youtu.be/7Hp4rmZexqI
>>574547997I can talk about Deltarune once a year and that wont change the internet sucking ass for discussion now.
Considering that nothing was leaked by the devs for so many years, Toby picked well.
>anons shocked faggot game made by a faggot has faggots in itWhat the shit?
>>574547971all this gay stuff and no trans stuff bless toby
hi! this is Ralseiremember things aren't always as they seem. sometimes balloons will spell your doom, but a gory head stump can mean good luck!
>>574548356Knight got em.
>>574548356The wait has officially begun
>>574548356sorry i'm playing my daily chore games
>active delusional retard who thinks he matters in DeltaruneBerdly>passive delusional retard who thinks she matters in DeltaruneCattiFunny!!!
>>574548356Was going to say all the tourists finally left but clearly a great many remain.
what if we started roleplaying as our faves haha?
>>574548550You'll regret it
>>574548356*rubs my fat fucking belly* i dunno anon
Kris bro....
i miss when the dark worlds were clearly retroactively building on eachother's history. like queen being lancer's mom and king's wife even though she quite literally didn't exist the day prior. it was a nice way of making the dark worlds develop while building on the idea that all this shit is fake and literally a fantasy off susie and kris' mind.as much as i like tenna he literally has fuckall to do with the rest of the dark worlds and neither do the rest of them. you can't even say that they're connected via who made them because the flowershop and tvtown aren't connected at all.
I just enjoy each chapter's individual little story arcs and character moments without really caring about the overall plot and lore, is that weird?
>>574547925Didn't read I want to breed toriel
>>574547661Delete this
>>574547745lollmao even
>>574548472I really, honestly dont know what Toby was thinking just giving every lightner side character the middle finger this chapter. Temmie just reverts into a complete author insert for temmie instead of even TRYING to be her own thing, Catti gets to cry as her crush holds hands with the school bully in front of her, Berdly is rejected by every single one of his friends on a day where friends are meant to be hanging out, Snowy and MK are just gone theres no sign of them, Jockington.... is still just Jockington even after being mentioned by name in the prophecy, etc. If you arent a main character or prophecized hero you can go fuck yourself this chapter
You will never have a tiny schizophrenic Spamton on your shoulder giving you [GREAT] life advice
>>574548721I mean the Knight's and Kris's dark worlds are born from completely different hearts and minds. Kris's are very much powered by nostalgia and wanting to go back to the good ol' days when Dess and Asriel were still around, plus both of his worlds (3 and 5's) were made as distractions mostly likely at the behest of Carol's master plan (whatever that is.)
>>574548550yeah okay *puts on my robe and wizard hat*
>>574548812Catti's relevance was nothing short of fandom delusion. Only Berdly ever baited people into thinking he was important
who the fuck let that schizo back in?
>>574548812You were a fool if you ever expected the side characters to get major screentime and development. Berdly already had his giant fucking arc in chapter 2, that fucker isnt coming back until endgame. And Catti simps are just delusional.
I just wanna kiss Asgore is that so wrong
>>574548935The relevance isnt the important part, he straight up made her cry at the sight of the main ship for the chapter. That's kinda fucked up. Being upset wouldve been one thing but she has on screen tears over it, like the fuck man? Being irrelevant wasnt enough, you need to kick her and every other side character in the stomach too?
>>574548905...which is why i mentioned that it doesn't seem to matter who made the fountain. kris made both the tv world and the flowershop one but they aren't connected in any way. hell for some fucking reason the flowershop has more connections to chapter 1 with jevil callbacks (what are those even for anyways?) than to chapter 3.
>>574549021his fight sucks thoughpink's fight is much better
>>574549045Flowery...
>>574548472Say what you will about Berdly but he is funny, he can handle rejection and at least he tries to get involved in things. Catti is just pathetic.
This scene is subtle foreshadowing for Kris actually being very good at throwing shit. This is the kind of clever and well thought out writing that Deltarune is full of. Toby has thought of everything years in advance and we're just slowly watching as all the pieces slowly move into place. This is why Deltarune is so rich on replays because so many lines of dialogue, especially the jokes, have more meaning than you might think on your first playthrough.
>>574548906omg another me hiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
>>574549076I wanna feel is beard on my lip and his soft fur...
>>574549045It makes you a loser bitch but that's totally cool in modern day /utg/ apparently.
>>574545754>Doesn’t this make it sound like he’s confident he could close the Fountain himself, somehow? He wanted the Fun Gang to leave altogether.i think that's tied to how they'll die (and then their dream ends) if the dark fountain is kept open for too long, flowery says something to that effect in the next sentence i think
imagine jerking kris off and then rubbing the cum on their face in the dark world, and then because they cant take their soul out in the dark world as far as we know, they're forced to keep it on their face for the entire adventure
>>574549124yeah man i love watching noelle lust on susie and having nothing else besides a random backstory drop for a minute every time i replay chapter 2 or literally any single fucking line berdly and queen havereally replayable stuff you have no idea
You can really tell most deltarune fans don't play other games or watch TV shows because they act like you can't wrap up a mystery in the last 2 hours.
>>574549067The fight itself is weaker but it's not the combat people remember about this game, it's the aura. Spamton's aura is unmatched.
>>574548882>all of Berdly's friends are lgbtq and he's open to dating KrisIts over, my larping friend. You lost the culture war years ago.
>>574549124Kris has a very rich character outside of being our controllable pawn. They're basically a dorky theater kid that can play piano real well, it's real obvious that whatever plan they're a part of is making them utterly miserable with Susie being their main anchor (and it doesn't even help really because they known that they'll need to reveal to her that they were a "bad guy" all this time.)
>>574549254Deltarune isnt "wrapping up" a mystery in the last two hours, its dumping everything that isnt the initial question. Wrapping up implies an amount genuine progress was made, we still dont know if Dess is even considered dead or just missing
>>574549273The reason people remember Spamton is because of Tenna shipping dawg
Why did whoever eopened the first 2 fountains bother since the knight didn't even show up or do anything? Why even bother if they didn't need to kidnap anyone or do whatever the church one was for?
>>574549428all required for the prophecy
>>574549047She's fat so her unhappiness is a good thing
Canon Kris
>>574549378>erm why is Toby dumping the plot about the royal family at the end of Undertale? What a hack! We still dont even know what Flowey's deal is!You need to lay off the theoryslop videos, its keeping you from enaging with the actual writing ingame.
>>574548472>>574548812>>574548935>>574548996>Toby writes a twitter post about you being friends with everyone>it's really just Susie, Ralsei and Noelle only>it's really just Kris grooming and trying to rizz up Susie while their oc and her need to experience every trauma dark world related to Kris and NoelleLOL
>>574549415Spamton was popular for years before Tenna was revealed.
>>574549254Most media can do it, but not Toby Fox.Deltarune chapter 5 is 10 hours of nothing.Also Undertale had only three mysteries, whats the deal with Asgore, whats the deal with Flowey, whats the deal with the original kid.
>>574549254bro it's the deltarune fans that think you can do that in any way that's satisfactoryeveryone else has been burned by the mystery box method decades ago
>>574549519We're friends with the darkners we meet and bring to our castle town, no fatass goth cats allowed though sorry
>>574549518>It's good writing to loredump at the ass end of your story right before the final bossK
>>574549378>we still dont know if Dess is even considered dead or just missingHear me out... Why does it matter?
>>574548356My crippling depression has made it so that I've only posted here like three times in the past month, just too tired for life atp, not even ch5 helped that much
>>574548721it was surprising to see the flowers not mention tenna or the other dark worlds. before the divorce, wouldn't the flowers have been at asgores and toriels house? or were they always at flower king?
Are you really here on a Sunday morning to talk about how much you hate Toby Fox and Deltarune?
>>574549519susie what the fuck did you do with your hair
can you guys talk about ralsei instead
>>574549591You mean back when this game had two chapters?
>>574549735>tfw finally encountered the "yea..." talk spriteI love it it's so uncanny
>>574549673Isn't there no mention of what flower king used to be? Something must've been there before which I have no fucking idea on what or if it'll have any significant at all
>>574548996>his giant fucking arc>10 minutes totallisten man i found it obnoxious as hell as well but let's not get it twisted now. toby relies wayyy too fucking much on the "here's my sad backstory with vague image representation on the screen" method
>>574549735What if Ralsei and Noelle kiss in the next chapter?
>>574549657Does it not matter? We have no way of knowing.>Is Dess dead or alive or a run away or what?>Why are the fountains being opened? Who wants to start a roaring? Why do they if they do?>Why is Kris doing anything they're doing?>Why eggs?>What's important and what's not?>Why do we have literally zero answers for anything happening?>Whats up with the bunker?>Whos actually in on the bunker mystery? Undyine supposedly went there a few times. Why?>Why does asgore have the code buried? What does he know about the bunker?>Why is Carol so unconcerned about her missing and or dead daughter?>What's up with the police tape? Can anyone actually get in or out of castle town? >What's up with the lake? >What's anyone's end goal at all?Toby Fox is a good writer. It's good writing when your audience is completely lost at all times
>>574549639Considering New Home is universally praised yeah I think Toby is probably a far better writer than you give him credit for. But by all means drop the game if you're this upset it isnt just a bland game of theory confirmation, it will make chapter 6 discussion better if there are less of you people.
>>574549047Don't worry chapter 7 will reveal that Hometown is a simulation and only Kris, Noelle and Susie have consciousness. Catti, like most residents of Hometown, doesn't have real feelings and doesn't matter.
The guy who doesnt even talk about undertale/deltarune and doesnt post undertale deltarune images is the worst poster in this thread
>>574543371>>574543646hope this pleases and tickles your fancyest>>574543908i think i'll try to do this one properly tomorrow, i wanna improve at art so i'll try this in a better art program and really put my all into it
>>574549378>we still dont know if Dess is even considered dead The only reason anyone thinks she's dead is because they bought into Omori or Bergentruck memes and can't separate them from what's actually in the game, where it's stated that she "left" and repeatedly implied that she's lost in some supernatural way.
>>574549942>Why is Carol so unconcerned about her missing and or dead daughter?You asking this question is what reveals that you are stupid.
>>574549970>The guy>SingularI'm pretty sure there's more than one of those motherfuckers here anonette.
>>574549952>New Home>end of undertaleuh bro?? that's the end of your first run but not the end of your gamenot to mention undertale didn't spend up to 50 hours vagueposting mysteries in your face beforehand too
>>574549970I agree, /utg/ needs to get better at pest control to keep 'em out.
>>574549942>>Why is Carol so unconcerned about her missing and or dead daughter?She chimped out at someone touching her daughter's stuff.
>there is only like 20 hours left to the game why are there still mysteries?!?!? Why have't we fought Friend yet?!?!?!
Chapter 6 will be pirate-themed.
>>574549519>post clearly depicts Susie, Ralsei, and Noelle>"Why did he say we'd be friends with everyone when he meant Susie, Ralsei, and Noelle?!"
>>574549737Yeah nigga.
>>574550130I wish, I know Toby would bend me over and fuck me with an hot rod if he heard this but I prefer pirates over all that weeaboo stuff
*spawns into the thread*
Imagine your phone gallery has more wojaks than pictures of you with your loved ones
>>574550024But the difference is important because Asgore is still looking into it, we dont know if its a "This girl is missing and I need to find her!" or "This girl is dead and I need to find out why and how that happened!" motive. This distinction is important because the first is a genuine goal and makes the whole divorce less sensible since there's still a life that can be saved, whereas if they just think she's dead then you can more easily say Asgore needs to let go and forget about it because the damage cant be undone
>>574538392oh yeah forgot to anchor>>574550013
>>574550130i genuinely laughed and enjoyed pirate gaster more than anything in chapter 5i wish i were kidding. ony the suicidal cowboy got a chuckle out of me
Cinemasins and any adjacent youtube slop content like those 10 hour long "objective reviews of games and film" have completely ruined the way that people perceive art and the way people talk about Deltarune is prime evidence of that.
>>574547131cum_on_belly
>>574550256She isnt in the cemetary so why would she be viewed as confirmed dead, its never been framed as dead just missing or left or gone.
deltarune fans should play vivid/stasis because it's straight up just device theory: the game
>>574550292or maybe deltarune just vaguepost too much and the closer we get to the finish line the more people become afraid toby isn't actually gonna be able to deliver since he just keeps meandering and doing fuckall instead
>>574549880He’s so cute I need him…
>>574549952It's praised because the game itself isn't written to have the story be important. The journey itself is rewarding because it doesn't intentionally keep you asking questions. You don't need to know asgores backstory or the specifics of what happened because the game gives you a general idea already and that's enough for the majority of the game. Monsters got sealed underground, asgore killed kids to get their souls to break the barrier to free the monsters, your job is to get to the end without killing and without being killed, and appreciate the journey as it is, you don't need to think about the story. Deltarune is not like that. Deltarune constantly has you theoryschizoing by the end of chapter 1. The only theoryschitzoing that happened with undertale happened specifically with Gaster and all the weird shit related to him, which you will note never got explained at all, it's just random weird shit and that's what deltarune is as a whole
It’s been like a month now, and I still can’t think about anything but Deltarune…
i wish i could draw...
>>574550235*slashes with BlackShard*
we are dooming, because chapter 5 is vagueslop
>>574550051She blows off asgores explanation and allows the town to think he's crazy when all he's trying to do is find dess. Not to mention how popular the theory is that she's in on the bunker shinanigans
>>574550318Please do not the FRIEND.
*people looking at a jackson pollock painting in an art gallery*Yea but why hasn't the artist explained the mystery to me yet? I just don't get the point.
>>574550445Anon just because you didn't learn if Dess was alive or not doesn't mean it's vagueslop.
>>574549519>>574550162Why does he hope we can be friends with "everyone" "someday" and then just post Susie, Ralsei and Noelle, three characters we're already friends with?
>>574549952the most interesting piece of writing in all of undertale is narrachara and it should tell you something that you could genuinely say it's a completely accidental reading and that toby didn't mean it AT ALL
>>574550417waiting for the psychosis to into hibernation till the next drop...
>>574550354Because if they dont have her corpse/dust they cant give her a proper funeral and connect her spirit to the earth, so she cant have a grave yetAnd there's still Carol, who refuses to let go as well and goes so far that Dess' room is supposed to be untouched and kept exactly as it was before the incident. Giving her a grave would shatter that illusion to her
>>574550292I think a lot of younger folks legitimately have no idea how to criticize media and a lot of it boils down to "this isn't what I expected so I feel upset."
>>574550428BEWOOOUGH
heh
>>574550360>check out game>Rhythm-mysterySorry, I unironicly cant play rhythm games.
>>574550487feline_penis
>>574550565why is dess abusive now
>>574550420why do you keep saying this?
Man I really hope the TwistedSword route is basically just being able to kill Darkners completely
>Chapter 6>Susie figures out Kris is making the fountains and is working with the Knight>Kris says the soul made em do it.How do you react
>>574550514Because theyre all fuckups that the game is testing your friendships with. Ralsei has been a liar for majority of the game but his (first) test was already done in ch4, we're going to have to test Noelle in ch6, and then ch7 susie probably does something retarded that makes us question whether or not she's worth siding with
>>574550668close the game and call toby a hack
>>574550546When 99% of the criticism is just>why haven't we been spoonfed exposition yetthen yea, obviously young people have no idea how to criticize media.
>I know Toby has already nailed 3 completely iconic endings in Undertale shpwing he knows how to wrap up a game and I know he only made Deltarune because he thought the ending was cool as fuck and I know Deltarune has been consistently good so far, but Deltarune is definitely going to start sucking ass in chapter 6 and 7 guys!Where did you people come from
>>574550547>also dies
>>574550668play along, i trust kris's plan
>>574550635he’s manifesting the ability to draw by continuously wishing for it
Catti should be relevant like Berdly for Chapter 6.
>>574549880Would Susie find it hot if they kissed? Would she ask them to keep going and she enjoys how both of them agree to all her commands and sloppily exchange saliva on her bed and Noelle is feeling awkward she's kissing a """boy""" but when Susie tells her to it feels great and Raly is very scared and confused but likes it and Susie teases she has two princesses with her now
>>574550514Susie, Ralsei and Noelle are the only real congisant characters because everything else is a simulation they're trapped in and we have to help them get out.
>>574550716/v/, they came from /v/, a black pit of cynical virgin rage. Toby has released 6 incredible projects in a row and it still isn’t enough to form any kind of trust in them.
>>574550565This is the most relatable image here
>>574550696it's funny that you post a fucking digital circus image to go along with your post yet don't notice the similarities here
>>574550780Bro is going to end up with a Shadow Crystal if he doesnt commit to actually drawing.
>>574550668I give it 5 more minutes, if Toby doesnt pay off on the "Susie knows recognizes our voice as Kris' rather than Kris' own voice" bit and have Susie think the SOUL is the real Kris I just hold down c. Iif my vessel doesnt show up or, god forbid it tells me to play solo ralsei, Im just fucking quitting
At the end of Deltarune they stop the roaring offscreen and the sky says THANKS FOR PLAYING
>>574550791
>>574550815that's a deltarune gif
>>574550716That Toby Fox was good at Undertale means like nothing.There are plently of creative people who just fumble and completly fuck it up in the sequels
>there are people ITT who dislike vocaloid and denpa musicthat's not very tobycore of you desu, you're a fake fan
>>574550514I think Toby is just being weird about itImagine how Susie, Noelle and Ralsei have been Toby's imaginary friends for the past 13 years or so and he wants you to like them too because it matters the world to him
>>574550815how'd you know it was a digital circus image bud?
>>574550815You mean the series that had a bunch of deranged retards screaming at the creator that their side characters didnt get enough focus and there wasnt enough lore slop and exposition? Hmm....
>>574550780How about it he manifests it by shutting up and fucking practicing
>>574550256We see in this chapter that the issue was Asgore completely neglecting his family to the point of yelling at them to fuck off so he could work, in case you missed that the scenes with the flowers were supposed to be a mirror of what happened in the past. Yes, saving Dess is important, but treating your own family like shit to do so is bad, especially considering that Toriel probably didn't divorce him immediately but after an extended period of this type of behavior. Plus the whole thing was supernatural and he likely didn't get any new evidence until this very week, so he was just obsessing over the original evidence and making seemingly outlandish claims about it for, what, years? Also Asgore feeling guilty and like other people blame him makes more sense if she's "just" missing because he was the one in charge of finding her and failed.
>>574550696>When 99% of the criticism is people being confused as fuck about your nebulous vague ass story it's actually their fault not yours Toby isnt going to fuck you man, you can admit he kinda sucks at storytelling
>>574550891do you know what other fandom had blind trust in a project to the point they weren't able to see the obvious red flags visible to anyone outside that bubblemaybe you should read/play/watch more media other than deltarune
>>574550739>gives you blackshard for beating the knight>punishes you for using it on the titan spawn>rewards you for using it on the titanwhat did toby mean by this
>>574550923Toby Fox has been good at Deltarune too, I dont know why chapter 5 mindbroke some loud dumbfucks into thinking the entire game was bad.
>>574550935I like vocaloid but I'm kinda of a larping fan because the only vocaloid songs I've ever really listened to are the meme ones everyone has heard and some songs from GYARI.
>>574550739>>574551051I think Jackenstein is an ugly weird creature written like a furry fetish character so I'm glad he is dead
>>574551031Thinking something is bad because it’s hard for you to understand is absurd. Maybe Deltarune isn’t a product refined and packaged for the most convenient consumption possible.
>>574550565I feel like the moment they reveal dess as just a punk rock teenager instead of a mentally and physically abusive groomer this place will lose all interest in her.
>>574551040i don't like TV shows
>7 Human Souls are supposed to make you a literal god>Omega Flowery had the power of 7 fully willing human souls>Still lost to USExplain this one lorechumps
>>574551004maybe we're not so different after all...
>>574551004those same retards were the ones saying to trvst the process and that it'd all be perfectly resolved by the end btwi only watched tadc for the funny animation and caine so i was fine with the ending but you could REALLY tell it was all just gonna be focused on jax and the """lore""" wouldn't matter or be resolved at all but the entire fandom was so obssessed with it they weren't able to see the forest from the trees. there's a reason more and more people are getting pissy at deltarune's story and it isn't because there are vtards invading this place a full month after the chapter dropped.
>>574550546Not being what you expected doesn't mean it's bad, but it's still not something you necessarily like and might still disappoint you.
Feel like I should bring this screenshot up again
>>574550696with stories revolving around mysteries, past a certain point they ought to start answering the smaller mysteries and stop introducing new ones, and ultimately having the full nature of the main conflict revealed and the only question remaining being how or if the protagonists manage to handle itafter about the midway point the player/reader/etc should start feeling like they're getting closer to answering the big questions, not further awaythat point not coming to pass in chapter 4 was already pushing it, chapter 5 is too far, of course people are frustrated nowand by "big questions" i don't mean friendgasterwoodyslop, you can stop parroting that
>>574551207>7 fully willing human soulsThey were all flowers bro
>>574551226Ok Asgore
>>574550668I'd be happy because I might get to have a cool boss fight or play as the SOUL without Kris for a while
>>574550780
>>574551192I'm sure you're a literary genius who has deltarune figured out then since it's so simple. Go on then faggot explain what's going on with deltarune.
>>574551206tenna would be sad but luckily for you books movies and vidya exist too. even audiobooks if you're not into reading.
>>574551265Flowers are people too
>>574551207was blue willing? it seems like he didnt give a shit
>>574551225Sure but you should be able to formulate criticism that goes beyond "this isnt what I wanted", like I love Deltarune and I can criticize plenty about it. But I look up complaints in the last month and its just the dumbest shit about ERRRM THE LORE ISNT MOVING FAST ENOUGH
>>574551127There's some really good dark atmospheric vocaloid songs, a lot of them are pretty old but goldhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMaYsDpSAeYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjSvChCF9_Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1mOeAtPkgkhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EahYs-8tTjQ
>>574551110I think Deltarune just has a kind of inbuilt curse of expectations attached that's been lingering ever since Chapter 1. The hype around it is so massive and the fandom surrounding it is so active and vocal that it can never really reach those theoretical peaks. It's like promising someone a really good cake, giving them a really good cake, but then getting yelled at because they were under the impression the cake was going to jump up and give them a blowjob.
>>574551207I mean Asriel had all the souls and then some and we still beat him sooooo
>>574550739JACKENSTEIN HAET ABORSHON
>>574551305I didn’t say it was simple, and I didn’t say I could predict what’s going to happen next. I’m not attack you personally or trying to establish that I’m smarter than you. It is just objectively moronic to say that a creative work is bad because you don’t understand it, especially at the literal level.
>me when I'm a good writer
>>574551226My save files for each chapter, because Toby scrapped the dojo:>1Main playthrough, always before Chaos KingJevilEmpty>2Main playthrough, Giga QueenNormal Queen and BerdlySpamton NEO>3 Main playthrough, Roaring KnightTennaSword Route Board 3>4Main playthrough, Titan and Mike TrioGersonEmpty>5Main playthrough, FloweryPinkEmpty
>>574551373Disliking the pacing of a story is a valid complaint. Chapter 5 was the last fun adventure but some people didn't want a last fun adventure
Last night I dreamt Carol had just divorced or something along those lines and I offered she stay at my family’s place, and it was very awkward explaining to my parents that she was real and she was going to be staying here.
>>574551192>Maybe Deltarune isn’t a product refined and packaged for the most convenient consumption possible.>literally has the shallowest possible GAME mechanics in the medium>even the "hidden route" shit is trivial to do and only requires you to act like a megalomaniacal villain after the initial startpick one and only oneyou can literally get by 90% of the game by pressing 3 buttons alone
Now that Chapter 5 features a vocaloid track, it’s on-topic to share this.https://youtu.be/GyjpqeKqzaQ
>>574551506Pretending that we dont have like 1/4 of the fucking game left and there's no time for answers to the central mysteries of the game is a dumbfuck complaint.
Just saying Twin Peaks season 1 ends with like 20 unsolved mysteries but then season 2 sucked extremly hard
>>574551386If a baker told me they had a fever dream in 2011 about a cake and then spent the next 15 years of their life honing the art of baking just to realise that dream cake I'd expect something special from that cake even if it's not a blowjob
>>574549306Kris is Tobys self insert
i wish i could draw well…i want to draw with anons but…
>>574551608Fire Walk With Me was peak though
>Yeah Deltarune sucks and Undertale sucks and everything ever le bad forever but like, they have FUZZY CWITTERS and if there weren't any CWITTERS FUZZIES I wouldn't even check out these shit games mang, ughWe're back at those hours?
>>574551506I just think it's an awfully weird complaint when Deltarune and Undertale have never been loreslop games, all that stuff with Gaster and human souls and secret stuff is just background fluff used to support what the games are actually about, which is its CHARACTERS. Like even chapter 4 which was the biggest lore nuke chapter of the game so far still centered entirely around Gerson's mentor relationship with Susie. The CHARACTERS are what matter, and yet all of the chapter 5 criticism doesn't even mention any of them. It's all just *WHERE THE FUCK IS MY LORE TRICKY TONY?*
>>574551520Is it a rule that every Toby Fox character has to be gay and suicidal?
>>574550565They dont have guns in the deltarune universe
>>574551695It’s true, I’m just here to masturbate to Bratty.
>>574551438You're implying that me not understanding isn't a fault of the games narrative but of me, therefore rendering my complaint invalid or shallow, so I'm challenging that notion by asking you if you understand the games narrative. If you don't, then you don't have a leg to stand up by questioning my ability to understand the game
I just want ralsei
>>574551582The issue isnt "No time for answers", its that we wanted the answers to be spread out. We want to learn shit as the game progresses instead of only having one or two chapters that actually explain anything, and even saying we'll have 2 is a stretch since the next one is "so easy" for toby to make
vocaloid songs are always forced edgy>look my song is soooo dark but it's catchy and fast
>>574551207You will never be a human
>>574551634No cake is worth spending 15 years of your life on to make it come true
https://youtu.be/MYltDhBUQco
the superior vocaloid deltarune song
You guys think Kris will start posing with the Knight and larp as a bad guy if they get caught?
When is Ribbit chapter 2?
>>574551724Feels like I'm going crazy how a lot of these loreschizo channels are acting like the plant shit isnt going to be a major deal. But yeah kinda depressing to see so many people just completely rushing through the characterization stuff to look for lore crumbs.
I think if a video game came to me in a dream it would have better actual gameplay than utdr tbdesu
>>574551734I’m not questioning your ability to understand things. The game is objectively obscure at this point. That doesn’t make it bad. It’s moronic to think that things that are difficult to understand are without merit.
>>574551747>The issue isnt "No time for answers", its that we wanted the answers to be spread out. We want to learn shit as the game progresses instead of only having one or two chapters that actually explain anythingwhich is funny because lorekeks thought chapter 5 would be this dense supernova of lorestimmies, now it's all sour grapes and chapter 6 and 7 can't do the same
>>574551823Susie and Ralsei learn about Kris working with the Knight when they find Kris making out with it.
>>574551884KRIS IS MAKING OUT WITH RUDY?
"lorestimmies" and it's "why don't we know anyone's motivations or why anything is happening yet"
>>574551750Yea, super edgy songs like "Aoi-chan Is Going to Eat ChocoMint No Matter What".
>>574546937Based taste
>>574551929why is ralsei a toilet
>>574551724>deltarune is about it's characters bro>every single character outside the main trio (and noelle) gets shafted>the interactions between half of these are so forced people think it's intentionally written as such and not toby kinda sucking shit at romance>the other two characters have to rely exclusively on their vagueness as their main appeal, either by intentionally hiding in plain sight or intentionally hiding how much they actually know/are>they're all still dumbfuck teens at the end of the dayi dunno man not making a real strong case for you there. i don't really give a fuck about any darkeners or lighters at this point. it should tell you something that the strongest piece of writing toby has put out up til now by far is the lake scene when you literally skip 99% of the character interactions and development in that chapter
Kris!!!!!
>>574551747>and even saying we'll have 2 is a stretch since the next one is "so easy" for toby to make>"IF TOBY SAYS ITS THE PRODUCTION IS GOING SMOOTHLY ITS A STRETCH TO THINK IT HAS PLOT REVELATIONS!"Holy fuck you're retarded. Toby said Chapter 3 was harder to develop than chapter 4, because of the GAMEPLAY. They have a lot of systems worked out now so the actual development is going smoothly. Jesus Christ some of you people are just total mouthbreathers.
>>574551724If the lore didn't matter why would Tony keep dropping random lore shit in?>To support the99% of the lore shit is exclusively tied to Noelle and Kris and we don't know why. It's pretty fundamental to understanding both of them, or at least it's implied to be, and we aren't given enough to even being to extrapolate WHY it's important, only knowing that it is. It's like saying"Ooooh this terrible thing happened to Kris a long time ago and that's why they're mute and do weird shit" and it's like... Okay? To what end? "Oooh it was so bad and mysterious ohhh Noelle is tangentially involved too ohhh prophecy's". The game keeps alluding to this mysterious background shit happening and doesn't explain what it is or why it is or why Kris is doing it, it's just open ended random shit and maybe that's the point but you can't pretend it's not happening
Does...Ralsei even know Susie searches for the shelter codes?
>>574551929>he would just flushwhy did kris look at him on the toilet?
>>574551974c'mon
Why is the 800+ post /v/ thread way less sour than this place
>>574551929kris flushed ralsei......
>>574552005love my cute little dog
>>574552031Ralsei knows the codes and Kris wont let him tell, this is how Susie will get in after Kris' betrayal
>>574552031I'd assume that she told him about it off-screen while in Castle TownThere's also the>* ... So, uh, know any codes to any doors?>* Umm... No, haha. I do not.exchange which either means Ralsei genuinely doesn't know the shelter codes or is running interference for Kris but it's hard to tell
>>574551823Yeah and then we can play as Susie just like tony fox intended
i think if you pulled up ralsei's robe and you were kris he would just blush and ask if he should've worn a different color today
>>574551975How could you play this game and possibly think that Queen, and Spamton, and Tenna, and Gerson, and Flowery, hell not just Flowery but literally any of the flowers, got shafted? Are you even reading this game?
>>574552018Toby understands the assignment and knows that dropping lore and cryptic metaphors keeps people talking about the game long after people would normally lose interest.If you ignored the lore amd judged it purely on improvements made to the gameplay you wouldnt see much difference between chapters.
>>574552005I need to groom Kris......
>>574552116man if this is the case i feel like deltarune would be leaning way too hard into dramatic irony, that would defeat the whole point of essentially every dark world we've been to
>>574552015>Toby said Chapter 3 was harder to develop than chapter 4, because of the GAMEPLAY. They have a lot of systems worked out now so the actual development is going smoothly.You'll come to realize that a lot of people here are the type where the thought of actually PLAYING the game fills them with a sense of total disgust, which is also why they rank Chapter 3 so low
>>574552156YOU CAN'T FOOL ME TOILET MAN I KNOW YOU WERE THINKING ABOUT FLUSHING RALSEI
>>574552181BUT WHEN IS CATTI GOING TO GO TO THE DARK WORLD?!
>>574552202Bring a comb and brush his hair is pretty long and tangled
>>574552215There's already no point to them bro, half of them are there to stall the protagonists from doing anything
>>574552256Chapter 6. Trust the plan. Her facesprites indicate she will obtain Party Member status.Trust. The. Plan.
>>574552238nah man
>>574552148>chapter 3 we get to switch controls with Susieanon...... maybe it's getting real...
>>574552215The point was the friends we made along the way, stupid.
>>574551974>>574552041>>574552101i missed it...
The doghole enemies from the 10th anniversary UT stream are the most scathing Toby has ever been towards certain types of fans. It's ironic that those exact fans will suddenly go >nuh uh it's not mebut claim the Mikes were Toby shitting on fan theorists
>>574552256Catti is EMPLOYED that's the darkest world of all.
Deltarune's lore is fandombait meant to advertise the game and not that important. The point of the game is awww at his pet lesbians.
>>574551557You can play Kirby Air Ride with one button and it kicks ass
goober
i am in no small amount of pain and discomfort owie
>>574552338the friendships almost entirely built on said dramatic irony, which will fall apart if the game ever acknowledges that kris and ralsei constantly lie to susie
>>574552181>meme le wacky xd character>fair enough>meme character (that i like)>not actually a character, only there to move the plot along>meme character (that's used to not have to develop the character people actively wanted to see this chapter)maybe it's just toby's writing but i genuinely don't care about darkeners due to how wacky they are. i literally could not give less of a shit about any of the flowers outside of cyan and the purple one because those are the only two that somewhat felt like they'd be realistically like that.
>>574552421>maybe it's just toby's writing but i genuinely don't care about darkeners due to how wacky they are.bro why the fuck are you even here
>>574552181>queenforced meme character>spamtonforced meme character>tennaforced meme character unless you finally fulfilled his request>gersonhad his character arc in chapter 4>flowershad their character arc in chapter 5BOOM
>>574551608But FWWM and season 3 were good
>>574552378You really think this is intended to mock people who like Toby’s games. You really think that.
>>574551859You're implying that it's intentionally obscure, because the only way to say the confusion is good is if it's purposeful, which isn't impossible but I don't think that'll be likely and it's currently unsatisfying because we've been kept in a state of perpetual and possibly intended confusion for 8 fucking years now.
>>574552223can't say i blame them because deltarune's gameplay is pretty fucking shallow and meaninglessyou never really feel like you get stronger or progress throughout any of it's systems, nor like anything you do outside of snowgrave (and even then only in chapter 2 really) matters whatsoever
>>574552421>i literally could not give less of a shit about any of the flowers outside of cyan and the purple oneIts always Aquafags with the most dogshit takes
>>574552494Case in point
>>574552378Abberant...
>>574552256>>574552309Why do you feel pure hatred for Catti?
it's funny that people glaze chapter 2 the hardest when it advanced the main story the absolute least
>>574552378Toby's criticisms are literally just too subtleHe really should just make Kris yell in a text box "I AM NON BINARY TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS" so these people would go awayBut his fame benefits from the plausible deniability
>>574552536Okay, dude.
>there'll be people in the future who'll get to play all 7 chapters plus the hidden 0th chapter without having to wait 10 years...it's not fair bros
>>574552481weird route unironicallytoby CAN write cool shit when he wants he just prefers to write sillyslop instead>>574552530go ahead and tell me how green, blue orange or yellow aren't just there for the jokes. tell me about their DEEP characters
>>574552378rv pine will proceed to ignore this and continue to pretend to know toby fox personally while creating nothing of value
>anon came to me and asked for advice>i told him to never argue with retards>he thought for a minute and replied, "that doesn't make sense">i nodded, smiled and told him, "you're right"
>>574552579The reason most people glaze it more than the more recent chapters is just nostalgia. It was really good though. it's true. Berdly and Queen are still the funniest characters Toby has ever written.
>>574552570Cattifags pretend their favourite glup shitto is anything other than a glup shitto and it's annoying.
Yes hello I am an average zoomer 4chan Deltarune fan, no I dont like Toby's writing and I think the characters are too annoying and wacky and the game isn't very fun to play, but I love jacking off to the porn and the lore COULD be awesome if the game stopped sucking ass and confirmed my theories.
>>574552391i hope he gets a happy ending and i hope it isn't predicated on whether or not you did wr i don't think toby would make the various endings/outcomes for the one ending too hard to get though as the game itself has taken ten+ years to release...
>sillyslopHooooly fuck I am so over these people
>>574552621why does dog gives his edgiest players his silliest slop
You don't need to write a good story, only imply vague story beats and let your dumbass theoryschizoing fanbase fill in the gaps for you until they monkey typewriter the best answer that satisfys the most people
Mmmmm BBQ flavor potater chips yummm do you think the Underrunes would like BBQ flavor popato chisps
>>574552706Too based to exist in Deltarune
Deltarune ending is about how fuzzy critters are evil and you shouldn't care about them, instead you should go home and be a family man.
>>574552739:) you're right
>>574552181queen, spamton, tenna, gerson, and flowery all do what they're supposed to do, which is foster the growth of the fun gang. flowery is a little less good at that because of how bad chapter 5 was overall. they're not meant to be full on characters in themselves just plot fodder, which is fine. like queen gave us hints on noelle, tenna was full of lore about kris' family...
>>574552663Glup shitto game, glup shitto general, retard
GAGSHITti the heart attack victim (died at age 19)
>>574552386deltarune ain't no kirby game anon cmon now
>>574552068I thought /v/ banned Deltarune threads
>>574552589it doesn't matter what Toby does, he can have the most overly woke scene ever and some "fans" will still go "nyo he was FORCED to make this".At least real chuds who hate UTDR on principle for being woke have some principles they stick by.
>>574552579>>574552660i only glaze chapter 2 because of the weird route
>>574552836>At least real chuds who hate UTDR on principle for being woke have some principles they stick by.No they dont lmao they just pretend the woke stuff doesnt exist.
>>574552836:) you're right
>>574552589>"I AM NON BINARY TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS"he'll never say that because he himself is ambivalent on it
>>574552621Orange is there to be a reflection of a young Susie, someone who is weak on the inside but tries to project an aura of toughness on the outside in order to dissuade people from abusing them. She gives a lot of insight into why Susie acts the way she does and why she's finally started to open up to Ralsei and Kris and drop the tough act a little bit.Yellow, Blue, and Green though are mostly just there for comedy though, yea, but there's nothing wrong with comedic characters. Comedy is FUN, do you know what fun is?
Deltarune when they cry
Toby "The Blowjob Baker" Fox unsealing his glowing barrel of ooze labeled "Sinister Silly Slop" and stirring it with his gnarled staff, then cackling evilly with a mildly racist Japanese accent as he yells MAKE MY GLUP SHITTO GROW!
Deltarune is about hypemoments, aura, lgbt rights and SPLAT.sfxIf you got into deltarune expecting "A good narrative" that's YOUR fault.
>>574552850hot
should ralsei have fun with his toys today or should he just eat his dinner instead and skip the toy session?
>>574552962She starts dropping the tough act by like chapter 4 with the tea party, and she opens up to using ribbons In the beginning of chapter 5 before we meet ANY of the flowers.
>>574552068I wouldn't be surprised if most of the shitposters just bunkered down in here because they're too ADHD to catch the /v/ threads made outside of janny hours as well as hating /vrpg/ because it's too slow
Whenever there are jokes happening on screen I shake my head very fast and scream WHERE IS GASTER over and over.
>>574553031eat your veggies and do nothing
>>574552962except orange is the complete opposite? she's weak as shit on the outside but has the determination to keep going no matter what
>>574552801Do you just want every character to exist on their own without any interaction or history with the fun gang, as if they're characters from a story that isn't called Deltarune?What are we even talking about right now? What's going on? I feel like I'm losing my goddamn mind.
>>574553031meeh, if i have to ask the question to myself like that then maybe i am not 100% interested in the toy session, so dinner it is then.
>>574552068because this is a general and most of the posters have already talked themselves out, they're here every day. /v/ threads have a higher chance of catching fans who aren't obsessed with talking about the game and only pop in occasionally, so they have more to discuss
>>574552937Bro litteraly and without metaphor can not read
I’m a based traditionalist uberchud who fights on the side of JUSTICE. That’s why I play Deltarune exclusively for the route where you play as an otherworldly demon who grooms minors into suicide.
>>574553205sis, butt toys are overrated. stop playing and go get the real said tenna
>>574553164>Do you just want every character to exist on their own without any interaction or history with the fun gangread my post fully little jit >which is foster the growth of the fun gang>queen gave us hints on noelle, tenna was full of lore about kris' family
>>574553164Good writing is when you drop three lines of dialogue that set up the next chapter and then fuck off from the story forever.
>>574553284Said by someone who's never experienced the bliss of an aneros.
>>574553284I’m saving myself for gay marriage…
>>The last three fountains were literally made to stall until something happened at the end.huhthey kinda fucking were actually, weren't they?
>>574553420As opposed to the first two fountains which were made for uhhhh
I just want Kris to teach Susie how to play piano honestly.
There are anons in this thread right now who are legitimately seething at anons who are trying to engage with the game beyond a superficial surface level appreciation.
>>574552937>No they dont lmao they just pretend the woke stuff doesnt exist.Those guys suck tooI'm talking about the randos in /v/ threads who troll post "deltarune? more like deltatroon" and leave. They have more merit than fakechuds who "like" Deltarune but complain about the gay millennial shit or insist there isn't any.
>>574553498neither queen nor king were stalling the gang on those thoughtenna, flowery and the knight all had the motivation of stalling them because (???) in one way or another
>>574553523Fair enough
>>574553523>I'm talking about the randos in /v/ threads who troll post "deltarune? more like deltatroon" and leave. They have more merit than fakechuds who "like" Deltarune but complain about the gay millennial shit or insist there isn't any.I just think that all of these people should be turned into mulch.
>>574552378Toby loves all his fans except for ME he HATES me and wants me DEAD
look at this distraction
some of my favorite artists drew fanart for chapter 5 that was hyping it up and then drew nothing after the chapter released sadkek i guess they didn't like it
>>574553420chapter 5 fountain was made to exhaust flowery and the flowers as well as take asgore by surprise, otherwise the knight would've had to fight omega flowery and asgore (bloodlusted) at the same time
>>574553520but it's FUN anon haven't you ever heard of FUN god you just HATE everything don't you why are you even here??? FUCK OFFFF
>>574553420What was Kris actually trying to do in chapter 5 anyways? They open the fountain that gets undyne kidnapped and then seemingly panic opens a fountain in their dad's shop because...? Like what was the original plan if Susie hadn't jump scared them?
>>574553583Yeah they just werent doing shit and the fountains were pointless unless you think Dess made the chapter 2 fountain for Noelle to show her how cool the dark world was. Chapter 1 fountain is LITERALLY pointless beyond being a video game tutorial.
>>574552378this is so vague that it could be attacking wokes, chuds, everything in between, fan theorists, etc.
>>574553520Rage and condemnation isn’t engagement, it’s a statement of the futility of engagement.>the story is bad it’s shit there’s no plan he’s changing his mind as he goes but also ignoring the fans and he’s mocking me but also the people who disagree with me and basically I feel cucked and FUCK DELTARUNEThey don’t believe there’s anything worth engaging with here and they won’t shut up about it. Haven’t. For WEEKS.
>>574553692>but it's FUN
when will the threads go back to normal
Will Kris do the famous Dreemurr laugh while clapping like a seal move or is their Dreemurr Bloodline Technique Mastery limited to being super suicidal
>>574553705Get Asgore kidnapped
>>574553705Anon the plan was always Flower King Dark World, they just went in the back to avoid Susie.
>1, 3 and 5Kris made those fountains>2 and 4 The Knight made those fountains
>>574553757they probably just want to criticize the chapter without fear of their egos being tied to their dislike of it
>>574553031Just for curiosity's sake is your sphincter working perfectly fine after all the stuff you've done to it
>>574553825there are two fountains in 5
>>574553647I don't get the fascination with this character
>>574553757Last night someome said Toby was getting lazy because Chapter 5 "didnt have character portraits for anyone but Flowery", this general is getting more retarded as the weeks go on.
I should leave and come back when chapter 6 is out. I can't guarantee I'd actually do that but it's what I'd like to do.
>>574553839Nothing they say has or has ever had merit. All they do is accuse the game of cynically exploiting and attacking them. It’s fucking obnoxious. There’s not an ounce of charity in their hearts, they see something they don’t get and their immediate assumption isn’t that there’s something they’re missing or not seeing it’s that the author himself doesn’t get it there’s nothing to get and everyone’s just wasting their time
>>574553757That's not the complaint though. I understand and engage with deltarune on its surface level, the themes of isolation, helplessness, desire for change and connection, longing for what was and is no longer, but you can tell that story without all the background mysticism and conspiracy shit, but that IS in the game and is, as of chapter 5, still very unsatisfying to attempt to engage with because it just isn't rewarding. There's nothing to grab onto, just theories and guesswork
>>574553705stop asgore's research i guessit sure was convenient that that very same schizo research was both completely illegible in the dark world and didn't affect it at all haha!!!!!>>574553680flowery wouldn't even exist if he hadn't made that fountain though. and the knight didn't seem to have a single problem completely cucking asgore
>>574553927there are guys that want to fuck little girlsnot much more to it
>>574553927you dislike Kris the main character?
>>574553925There's 3 fountains in 4
>>574553954you can't control what anyone else posts, so hide their discussion (you do have 4chanx installed, right) and focus on what you want to see
>>574553714because king and queen actually felt like they belong in their respective dark worlds as opposed to tenna, the knight and flowery which are all aware it's fake as shit
>just ignore how easy it is to spam titans by just poking the ground with a knife repeatedly we just have to go through the prophecy's steps because we just have to okshits kinda retarded
Ironically enough one of the worst aspects of modern 4chan is that it feels like people constantly vaguepost about why they actually dislike something, which is even weirder given that this is ostensibly an anonymous site
>>574553925Kris made them
I would really like to molest Seth if I'm being honest. Just really make them feel uncomfortable.
He says "11 years deltarune gaster prophecy" which connects to trauma kris and the vessel. The vessel forgotten man goner gaster copies are monochrome, hmm
>>574554092Wow its almost like the Knight doesnt specifically want to cause the Roaring or they would do it already. Its almost like I have to think about a character's actions to discern their motivation.
>>574554134i believe the knight made one and kris made the other
>>574554092>we don’t get what’s going on yet so nothing is going on and it’s retardedUgggghhhhhhh
>>574552836If anything is woke people who detest deltarune. We chuds understand there are parts of the game we wouldn't like. Woke people hate that deltarune is orientalist, that ralsei is transbaiting/femboy erasure.
>>574554092That's just evidence that the knight doesn't actually want to cause the roaring and has ulterior motives.
>>574554196That motivation being...?
>we chudshow long until you guys commit suicide when the orange pedo dies?
>>574554236Strong contender for dumbest post itt which is saying something
Because Chapter 7 will be the open world Live a Live final chapter homage Chapter 6 will be a tightly plotted linear chapter full of plot reveals
https://undertale.com/alarmclock/asgore/rudy dying from falling off the ladder foreshadowed 9 years ago?
to me people are complicated and woke and chud don't accurately describe a person's politics because there are trannies who are klansmen and hate black people and there are extremely leftist progressive types who nevertheless think sex can't be changed
>>574554317Yoinking people into the shelter, hence why they spent the entirety of chapter 4 looking around.
>>574553909Ja.
>>574554425chapter 5 should've been full of shit like this but toby is a fucking faggot
>>574553729Abberrant represents "white knights" who put words into Toby's mouth to push their own views on how his games are supposed to be played. Mr. Sunshine is people who get so caught up in headcanon they talk about them as if they were canon while ignoring canon material.They're both critiquing specific types of fandom mentality which can fall into any of the categories woke, chud, in-between, fan theorists etc..I bring it up mostly because these 2 enemies are the most "mean spirited" representations of specific fans(and tbdesu it's not even that mean just slightly critical). People accuse the Mikes and other fandom references of being irony-poisoned but they're actually just fun injokes compared to the doghole enemies.
>>574554517The only person in the dark world aware of Rudy falling down is Kris and they arent saying shit, how would Asgore know?
>>574554436Ahh okay that explains everything. The knight is dragging people into the bunker that's their entire motivation for everything happening and all its actions. No further questions.
>>574554575>Abberrant represents "white knights" who put words into Toby's mouth to push their own views on how his games are supposed to be played."toby would hate you" faggots...
>>574554615isn't that referencing the initial injury that landed rudy in the hospital when i said >chapter 5 should've been full of shit like thisi meant character building
>>574553781They should do it in an evil way when they betray Susie, self-destructively larping as a supervillan is also a Dreemurr Bloodline Technique.
My new sleep meds causes a 1-in-7 chance for Gaster to show up in my dreams
>>574554336Hate that mad rat. I love the mandate of angel man because he understands global prosperity is for everyone.
>>574554657>No further questions.I get that you're upset that people pointed out you were being a retard for whining that the Knight could cause the Roaring whenever and now you're lashing out, but you're just imagining things I didnt say to get mad at.
>tenna in chapter 3 keeps forcing fun adventures on the gang when they’ve already had enough and want to stop >chapter 5 is another fun adventure of japan fellatio despite the tonal shift in the chapter before it it’s like some king of IRONY…
>>574554737Rudy was coughing while in hospital, how would falling have caused that?
>>574554765Can you ask gaster how deltarune ends please this is important
>>574554809it just says he fell down. it doesn't specify height or anything maybe rudy had a stroke or something and fell down. maybe he was a smoker. we don't know m8
>>574554737Chapter 5 was full of character building though
>>574554854Everytime I try to talk to him directly he disappears
>waah waah, chapter 5 wasn't epic enough!!!
>>574553981the knight opened the fountain after kris closed it, and flowery was still there. the knight for some reason can only kidnap people when they're in a dark world. so the dark world has to be open for the knight to operate.no doubt the knight is stronger but there's a reason why it decided to grab asgore and immediately hightail it out of there and kept going faster when flowery was catching up to it
are we pretending to be stupid or is that really what we are
>>574554425"Falling down" is a euphemism for dying or being on the verge of death for monsters in UT
>>574554953I think some posters are just arguing in bad faith but I wouldn't be surprised if others were genuinely database consumption retarded
How is the knight able to take lightners to the shelter while in the light world without them resisting?
>>574554907only for ralsei and noelle. i wanted to learn more about the town and the connections there, and how they potentially influenced what's going on now. would've made everything that's surely coming up more impactful + filled out some unexplored lightners, like catti, berdley...
When it was revealed that flowery was pregnant at the end of Chapter 5, I couldn't stop crying.
i have fallen, and i cant get up!!!
>>574554337Wouldn't you think the greatest outrage if Ralsei is trans/not trans will be from gay furries or trans self inserter?
>>574554794Chapter 5 is entirely about the antagonists trying to defy the prophecy which wouldnt work if 4 wasnt directly before it. Man I feel bad for Toby, imagine having a fanbase full of people this retarded.
>Completely destroys the way people approach stories forever
chapter 5 is toby stopped fucking around
as you know, kris… well do I even need to say it?
>>574554946To be fair it's natural that the "pinch point two", is a tough moment for stories in general and it's the part people tend to be most critical about
>>574538392
>>574555090As the worlds most pathetic trans self inserter I don't really identify with Ralsei. I identify more with Kris or Maddie.
>>574555076>I didnt want character building I wanted worldbuilding!Good grief>would've made everything that's surely coming up more impactful + filled out some unexplored lightners, like catti, berdley..And of course its a fucking Cattifag holy fuck, what a cliche
>>574555094Chapter 5 was entirely about the antagonists trying to live their lives to the fullest and keep dreaming even though they only have one day to live which also doesn't work if chapter 4 wasn't directly before it
>>574554946Where does secret chapter 8 fit into this
The way some anons discuss this game confuses me. I disliked Chapter 5 overall, but it's not badly written. I didn't connect with any of the flowers, but they serve a purpose. You're allowed to have your subjective taste while recognizing there's not actually anything wrong or bad about the story.
>we don't know why the knight is opening fountains>We don't know why Kris why Kris is working with the knight >We don't know how Carol is related to the entire plot>We don't know why Kris is acting the way they do>We don't know what the weird route is>We don't know why the knight is kidnapping people >We don't know who knows about the dark world conspiracy, for all we know the entire town is in on it>We don't know what's going on with the lake>We don't know what Ralseis end goal is really besides sucking Kris off whenever he can (nvm he's becoming his own person in chapter5 lol)>We don't even know what the fuck ralsei is>We don't know about Susie's personal living situation>We don't know how Noelle relates to anything at all besides the WR>We don't know what happened to dess beyond "She's just gone now"Two chapters left to go btw. Maybe if I shut my brain off and pretend literally none of this matters then I can enjoy Smeltapoon the way it's meant to be enjoyed. Yasssss yurikino
>>574555063Becuase the knight has all their powers in both worlds as evidenced by the black shard keeping its power.
Susie isn't going to have a big gigantic freakout over Kris hiding stuff from her. She already had that during ch4 and was chill about Ralsei revealing new information he kept hidden from her after that. At this rate she probably expects that they're always hiding stuff from her, which is still depressing to think about but we're absolutely not getting another vs. Susie.
>>574555294>Two chapters left to go btw.So plenty of time to answer all these questions.
Whenever Catti isn't onscreen Susie and Noelle should be wondering where Catti is. I think she has a lot of potential as a party member too. I dont know what the fuck Toby's problem is.
>>574555294>Two chapters left to go btw.Chapter 5 by itself already feels longer than an Undertale playthrough
>>574555220>worldbuildinguh, huh? read my post>i wanted to learn more about the town and the connections therei'm not even a cattifag but learning more about her would've been interesting, i don't give a fuck about the flowersat the moment all chapter 5 has going for it is wr and the flowery/ralsei dynamic and even that's sort of whatever
>>574555063the fish and asgore are professional jobbers carol hired them to make the knight seem more threatening then they actually are
>>574554092I assume the Knight has some motivation beyond the roaring. Rn my assumption is since the Knight is made of Broken Dreams the Knight needs dreams to be fulfilled presumably in the bunker. Toriel and Asgore Kris is entirely passive and shows no reaction. If the Knight drags Rudy and Carol into the Bunker my assumption is it means I think the Knight is trying to recreate a past where everything goes back to the way it was/better than it was to live out some unfilled dream.
im starting to think the fujos are the only decent posters ITT, at least they talk about the characters
>>574554946I don't get itWe had chapter 1, 2, 3+4 and then 5. Shouldn't this have been an exciting chapter? It's the midpoint
>i'm not even a cattifag but learning more about her would've been interesting, i don't give a fuck about the flowersGood lord
>>574555516>im starting to thinkbig if true
>>574555370Susie should be more mad at Ralsei than Kris, and outright call him a liar for not keeping his promise to tell her what he knows.
>>574555294Attack on Titan is a show with three seasons (any rumors of a 4th season and two specials are lies) and it is in the final episode of Season 3 that we learn why the Titans are attacking.
>>5745555574 was the midpoint
>>574555516the thinker
>>5745556343 and 4 were bundled together
>>574555557Chapter 5 is the last opportunity for a "fun" chapter, and it's intentionally full of nostalgia/callbacksChapter 6 will go serious and end with things at their worst (in terms of narrative structure)Chapter 7 will be the epic conclusion
>>574555617dude you do not want to bring up attack on titan as an example to defend deltarune's writingthat shit was so filled with nonsensical explanations shoved last minute it's not even funny
i wish i had a dog so i could get knotted and filled with dog cum rn
>>574555557Midpoint is Chapter 4, the game even directly calls this out.
>>574555617That sounds awful.
>>574555698why did chara make you say that???
>>574555557
we already know everything about carol if you know how to interpret the story
remember when chapter 3 was supposed to be the "last fun adventure"?
>>574555697>AAAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEE WHY DIDNT EREN GENOCIDE THE WORLD I WANTED MY GENOCIDE ENDING!!!!!! WHAT IS THIS GAY AVENGERS SHIT I THOIGHT EREN WAS THE HERO?!?!?!?!Man the ending discourse was funny.
These are insensitive people.They bullied a toddler, catti, berdly, third wheeled Kris, betrayed the shit gang...There is no good person here.
>>574555670How the chapters have been bundled has no bearing on their placement in the story structure. Toby has to write around the game as a complete experience not his release schedule.
>>574555670Chapter 6 and 7 should be bundled together as well honestly I don’t think I could wait until 2028 or 2029 for chapter 7
>>574555697It was written terrible ending first. It was provenly planned from the beginning.
I'm waiting for Chapter 6 to drop and we get an influx of people whining that it's edgesloppa and they miss the whimsical Jarona man and his fruity pals
>>574555294Also chapter five added friend lore so that's another thing >We don't know what friends are >We don't know anything at all period about gaster, what it's doing, if it even exists in a way where it consciously influences the story>We don't know who's pushing Kris into the WR>We don't know why the town seems to be closed off from the wider world>We don't know who has the third code, presumably a church member, and when we find out we won't know why they have it to begin with (this won't be explained either)>We don't know whats up with normal NPC>We don't know what's up with the eggs>We don't know what's up with sans>We don't know what's up with papyrus>We don't know what's up with TobyWe simply don't know
>>574555826they even destroyed hopchef's bread without remorse
>>574555798No? Did some youtuber tell you that?
>>574555294>>We don't know about Susie's personal living situationSome of you do nothing but beeline through the critical path and then you wonder why you don't know everything
>>574555634>>574555675>>574555707I'm fucking with youToby Fox is releasing an incomplete story bits and pieces at a timeThe whole point of describing story structure is dependant on the fact that the reader can immediately keep goingIf you can't it fucks up the pacing and your understanding of the story.You cannot map book writing to episodic video game releases separated by yearsAnd that specific one oesn't work anyway because 3 wasn't filler. The main antagonist showed up. We got big reveals and character moments AND it was stuck to 4 which was also quite heavy.Toby fucked up his pacing. That's it
At a crossroads. Do we move forward, or part ways forever.I wonder.
>>574555895i will do this
>>574555826A lot hinges on if Catti really is just a jealous lesbian or has genuine but factually wrong concerns about Susie bullying Noelle. If it's the former what we did was based, if it's the latter I feel bad about it.
>>574555798Chapter 3 wasn't even a fun adventure. Kris kinda hated it.
>>574555895I can't wait for a bunch of people who don't know what a second act low point is to claim everyone hates each other and Suselle isn't happening or whatever.
>>574555802unironically though it would've been better if he would've just genocided the world even against the wishes of everyone elsethe gang winning while fighting on his giant spine and fighting fully concious titans made by ymir herself (btw ymir's also the reason eren lost because she apparently loved the king or something??? huh????????) is so nonsensical it's not even funnylet eren be a retard that kills the world or have him lose but do it in a way it makes sense not this capeshit garbage. hell having a nuke dropped on him would've made more sense than this
always bet on nothing happeningchapter 6 will have temu queen in a bootleg soviet russia dark world in ICE-Es where pizzapants gets kidnapped
>>574555991>says something stupid>"ïm fucking with you lol"masterful
>>574555798>remember when chapter 3 was supposed to be the "last fun adventure"?Sure, man. Sure.
>>574555826>they bullied catticatti called her a piece of shit to her face before susie even did anything and told kris he cant hang out with her anymore as long as he stays friends with susie
dinner was gooood
>>574555871i genuinely do not believe for a second he didn't have a change of heart once he got attached to the characters but it just makes the comparasion even worse, no?
>>574556104It was a bit. I stuck 3+4 together quite conspiciously
If you think about it, none of the chapters were fun adventures from the PoV of any of the characters. They were always suffering and getting attacked.
>>574556202>shit yourself>get told you smell bad>"brooo you fell for it"Epic
>>574554575its kinda hard to take this seriously when the same battle says "Have you learned nothing in the last 10 years?" when you kill both of them, thereby proving Abberrant right that you're playing the battle wrong according to dev intention
Cattibros...
>>574556270all I wanted to so was ruin the water quality of this tepid pool and I did it
Catti and her Darkner counterpart Ramb will be superbosses in the Live A Live-style open world final chapter, don't sweat it
I believe in Catti x Berdly endgame, they were made for each other
>>574556382the fact that you're even trying to save face by saying this now says otherwise
the festival not even being at night was crazy. toby just built up hype for a decade and didn't deliver if he really wanted the weebshit the dark world still could have been japanese because japan is known for its festivals
>>574556495What face? I'm AnonymousI'll do it again, too
This is what Toby Fox wanted when he created Deltarune
>>574556021>* She honestly never even disliked you until I told her I...>* ... told her you what?>* Umm, y'know, that I wanted to... know you better. Faha.>(And that even if you did hate me, if you could make fun of me more, call me stupid nicknames, try to scare me by making me ride on a motorcycle with you, etc.)It's not totally unreasonable to be concerned
>>574555991Deltarune has been known to the public as an incomplete game for eight years and probably will for another two. Deltarune will then exist as a complete game with no rest between chapters for the rest of our lives and the lives of people who haven't yet played it.
>>574556186He made the central government corrupt and revealed the motive for the titans because he liked the characters? Even though I think before the idealic hometown is destroyed, or at least a flashback during when they are joining the military, we see them discussing how the government intentionally keeps people ignorant of the outside world. The Titans never do anything the contradicts their motive, except of course that one thing on wall Rose which every other titan calls out as being a mistake, but mistake that makes sense for a character under extreme pressure to make?
Why is the pacing so ass?>still two codes missing>guaranteed ralsei asspulls the Delta Rune code momentugh
>>574556550i forgot to post this art
>>574556680The Delta Rune code is the number on the credit/debit card used to buy the game.
>>574556651sure, but we don't have their luxuryour relationship to it is immutably colored by this chapter release structureyou are allowed to have an opinion on whether this is the right way to tell your story
>>574556632unironically true
>>574556550>the festival not even being at night was crazyMost small town fairs start during the daytime and end when it gets dark outside for obvious reasons
>>574556579exactly my pointif you were actually insincere from the start, and you've succeeded in making the thread worse, why not keep up the act or just quit now that it's donewhy bother defending yourself unless you were being sincere and being called out for being retarded is bruising your ego to some extent
>>574556550forgive Toby Fox, he never went to a Festival once in his life
>>574556271Undertale was always a bit obnoxiously preachy compared to Deltarune so I assume this was just trying to capture the vibe.
>>574556680>ralsei assgod I wish
>>574556825no they don't and even if this were true deltarune isn't real life, it's a story that's meant to entertain you. most small town fairs don't have monsters, dumb fuck>>574556838seems like it but that fag could've opened up wikipedia
>>574556832I was being insincere to what I considered a post beneath sincerityThen, I decided to actually make my sincere opinion knownThat was my real opinion
Dess bullying Kris
>>574556825Uhh nuh uh they go on at night, that’s when there’s all kinds of colored lights and everything too.
>>574556876ralsei's ralseis...
>>574556271Abberrant says that line specifically if you attack him when he can be spared, the joke is that that's a silly thing to do
fluffy balls
>>574557036pink's fluffy balls
>>574556807>The story is worse for us because we have to wait years between releases No shit. We all know this, do you think you're being clever by pointing it out?Toby isn't releasing it at this schedule because he thinks it's the ideal way to experience Deltarune it's just the way things have ended up happening because it's taken so long to make.Was it a mistake to release it like this? Possibly but it was also probably the only way it could've been made at all.
meanwhile on the other side of the fandom
>>574557018No, he says that sometimes after he gets hit at all, go play the fight again
>you can't criticize a games writing if the writing isn't done yet If chapter 6+7 salvage this situation it just proves toby made a mistake when he decided to do episodic releases
>>574557072pink's sweaty fluffy balls
>>574557080
>>574557075>do you think you're being clever by pointing it out?Some people seem to think chapter 5 is above criticism of it's pace. Not every argument is important to everybody.
>>574556969They usually end around 9 or 10PM at the latest, even ones that are focused on pretty lights or fireworks>>574556921I don't see how the festival happening at night would change the entertainment value at all beyond seeing the King and Queen parade. Oh boy, a cutscene.
>>574557201Yeah? The original plan was to release every chapter at once.
>We should've been stuck with Chapter 1 only for 8+ years!Of course autistic faggot phoneposters think this, really fits your tiny baby hands btw
>>574557402Litterarly me tired of your and others bullshit
friend is just a regular cat btw
>>574556675no nigga i'm talking about the avengers somehow being able to win by the sheer power of asspulls and ymir's 2000 year old autistic obssession which was somehow not even hinted at before then
>>574557292>They usually end around 9 or 10PM at the latest,you've never been to a small town festival. they tend to start early and then they continue on until midnight in some cases, maybe even later. >I don't see how the festival happening at nightyou're like an alien
>>574557375https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment
>>574557402Frisk doesnt have those
>>574557252why'd they give it a tramp stamp
>>574557375If he was making it all in one go it would look absolutely nothing like what we have nowIf you think every facet of this game is part of Toby's magnum opus dream then you're just dumb The reality is is that he would have had to tighten his story and make concessions. It would have been different and 100% not have taken this long. Maybe for the better, maybe for the worse
>>574557252>draw oc >make it yellow>call it kris 3 easy steps to get engagement
personally I think it's funny that the negativity swung sharply upwards when the game started being paid for>inb4 "i totally pirated it guyz"
A lot of chapter 5 discourse is people being upset at the lack of A-plot progression and B-plot enjoyers thinking it's a criticism of the B-plot
>>574557467No we weren't
>>574557468What country are you from?
>>574557614I watch it on youtube
>>574557479>Article you linked says it's been discreditedCool? What was your point?
>>574557516t.chara
>>574557614my friend tell me what happen in game
>>574557583>If you think every facet of this game is part of Toby's magnum opus dreamFreudian slip
>>574557642irrelevant, and again>deltarune isn't real life, it's a story that's meant to entertain you. most small town fairs don't have monsters, dumb fuck
>>574557727what?
Another day listening to Flower Man and covers of Flower Man and fucking WEEPING…
>>574557614People loved the paid releases, the game is more famous now than it ever was
>>574557479Berdly you need to read the stuff...
>>574557614I dunno, I remember ch2 getting a lot of negativity before the weird route was discovered
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WrMj2qSe8A
Why is Gasters broke ass watching deltarune on a crt?
THEY JUST WANTED TO THINK AND FEEL AND LEARN AND PLAYTHEY JUST WANTED TO FEEL LOVE IN THEIR LIMBSFUCK YOU GASTERFUCK YOU GASTERFUCK YOU GASTERDIE GASTER DIEDIEDIEKILL YOURSELF GASTERDIE
>>574557960He's a retro gamer from the future where CRTs are rare luxury.
You know what? I don't care how long it takes. Release 6+7 together. I want the next release to be the last I'm getting sick of this
>>574556382The damage control on an anonymous website is embarrassing
>>574557836Well yeah. I mean, what if I'm only hungry enough for one marshmallow? Then the logical thing to do is to eat it now, avoid the waiting time, and leave the other one for someone else who wants it.
>>574557960He is a tryhard who plays smash bros melee
>>574557960Because deltarune on anything other than a crt is anti art
>>574557771Okay, so not America. And again, the festival scenes happening at night would not change the contents of the festival beyond the addition of a parade cutscene.
>>574557960He's from the 90's
>>574558183sovlless dog
>>574558119I love the sound of my own voice, what can I sayI'll take any opportunity to write something
>>574557018>>574557143 (me)Actually sorry I take that one back, I was misremembering (that or the rng really hates me)Though I still think that in combination with literally telling the player they "learned nothing" pushes it too far away from simply being "a joke". Declaring a blantant lie/falsehood isnt itself a joke, especially when you do it multiple times
>>574557468Depends on the festival. I've seen some that start late and continue pretty much overnight, and some that start in the evening and last only the evening till 10 PM. The festival in Hometown isn't even Christmas (which does exist in Deltarune based on Rudy's dialogue), and Hometown's still in Fall when it's being celebrated. It's likely their version of Halloween based on the church aesthetics, and small town Halloweens do end once the stars are clear and high in the sky.This is also assuming we know the time at the end of the chapter. We don't.
For those of you who are here and hate Deltarune, what games do you like?
chapter 7 will take two more years to develop and you'll like it
Deltarune's japanese trailer is set to play first before the english one on the steam page, Toby is such a fucking tryhard
>>574557960Foreshadowing the fact that you have to play seven chapters of flashbacks before you can continue the weird route
>>574557583If he was making it all in one go it would never have been released at all. toby needs stimmies from his audience and the lash of producer-sama's belt to get anything done.
>>574558276IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ME!!!!
>>574558271Tetris
>>574558302Why are you so scared of a little bit of Japanese?
>>574558271Epic Battle Fantasy
>>574558282Toby you can’t do this to me PLEASE
>>574558316maybe trueI would rather it be released than not
>>574558271league of legends
people are attracted to this ant, this monster>>574558271La-Mulana
>>574557960mettaton did weird route
>>574558271Badminton
>>574558267applying real world logic to it is pointless the festival should've been a bigger deal, simple as. it being at night would've added intense aura
>>574558375Wait a minute, you're not supposed to actually say a good game.
>>574555991>You cannot map book writing to episodic video game releases separated by yearsA lot of the stories that we now consider single books were originally published part by part in magazines and newspapers. See for instance The Count of Monte Cristo and The Brothers Karamazov.
Toby Fox wanted loads of yaoi fan art of his OCs when he made Deltarune, truly that's what he wants out of the fans more than anything.
>Gaster is some hipster NES ROMhacker playing a blueberry emulator with Deltaruen plugged in on a CRTyour face when this happens?
>>574558342Kinda shocked there isnt more porn of Ralsei sitting on a furious Orange.
>>574558276was this a stuart little joke
>>574558215Just lower your screen brightness next time you play through the festival scenes
>>574558564Raly is the one who is sat.
Why doesn't Noelle just explain to her autistic friend that she's not being literal when she says she wants Susie to beat the shit out of her and eat her face. Is she stupid?
>>574558464Were they classics when they released part by part in newspapers though?
Test
>>574558632What would it do to your mind to have your crush explain to you in detail the many ways they want to be beaten and pissed on by someone else?
>>574558632>i'm being POST IRONIC you autist. i don't mean it but i mean the VIBES.
>>574558271Touhou. If I wanted an impish protag with zero feels and just "get the incident/fountain over with" energy, a wild and loud girl full of determination to prove herself and learn new kinds of magic, and a servant who is feverishly devoted to his/her job and religion, the Touhou girls are better. The mythology and internal deity politics surrounding it makes it even better. Toby can only offer schizo closet dreams through his dark worlds.
>>574557592no its clearly Kris.Don't you remember the hot springs cutscene in chapter 5 where Ralsei compliments Kris' nipple piercings?
>>574558715In a cuck so probably turn me the fuck on
I actually really like the drum beat during berdly's fight on weird route, reminds me of a pre-battle SMT theme
>>574558663You dumb as dogshit dawg
I'm in the mood to play Elin with my Spamton PC againIt's been so long since I booted up the game but I really wanna fuck Mani, goodbye
>>574558723Post-irony is when a girl says "Yes." but then denies it afterwards.
>>574558458Then we apply game dev logic. You as Toby, need to balance:>making festival large>making dark world substantial>having suselle scene>ending the chapter after dark world instead of being tone deaf and having kris and susie continue with the festival after losing asgoreOfc it's not gonna be all festival.
>>574558835Not at allDeltarune has most of everybody who is ever going to play it playing nowWould the Count of Monte Cristo be as popular if it were being published in a newspaper once a year?It almost certainly become popular after being completed and released. Star Trek was not popular when it aired. This is not an uncommon phenomena
>>574558632She considers Catti a lower lifeform incapable of thought so it probably didn't occur to her that Catti might listen to what she says and misunderstand it
bread?
>>574558715I wouldn't have a crush on that person anymore
>>574558726You might like NOISZ it's a bit harder than Touhou and it has fuzzy cwitters
>>574559061gave it to some kid, sorry
>>574558715I have anger issues and piss a lot so...
>>574559061Next one better have honey on it. This one went moldy
>>574559014>>574558835
>>574558464Their installments weren't separated by years, though, but months. It should also be noted that modern world is quicker paced than 19th century so criticizing Deltarune's horrid pace is even more valid.
>>574559061flushed it down the toilet
>>574559212without elaboration I'm not going to be bothered by a post like this
>>574559196*slaps your matronly ass*
>>574559151Speaking of that i dont know if Toby just going full "haha le cooky" mode without caring about consequences, but Sans giving us the bread makes him complicit in the weird route, just like spamton with the ring, so im curious if he ever gonna adress that
Why does it seem like some of you WANT Deltarune to be bad? Like, people have addressed your concerns rationally a 100 times and you’re still desperately searching for new ways to cast doubt and blame on the project.
>>574557468>you've never been to a small town festivalNta but state fairs and harvest festivals usually run on weekends during the day. Catholic feast day festivals in the Northeast US typically start in the afternoon and go til around 11 but the festival clearly more on the harvest fest/seasonal celebration side than one of those. The real fake shit is that there's no 50/50 or raffle
>>574559320Because it's woke.
>>574559275The bread is to help you abort the weird route when you're in the lake and to follow your breadcrumbs if you do >proceed he's directly opposing the weird route
>>574559320the engagement stimmies I'll get when I dump my screenshot folder of all my own posts with correct predictions/complaints
When are the comfy slow threads coming back?
move>>574559449>>574559449>>574559449
>>574559271while its good art, girl what are you doing, mixing pink with marine blue?
>>574559320I'm just talking
>>574559320to some people, being correct is more important than having fun
>>574559262*Jiggles my big fat ***meat ass*
>>574559275And somehow, him being complacent is the most generous intrepretation of what the bread is meant for later, since if you think he's doing it to follow your crumbs than either A) Sans dies and completely destroys the point of the drawing he gets being on both routes by confirming UT cant be Post-WR or B) You fight him and he bullshits a reason to not die anyway so he's just setting up a sans fight to have a second sans fight take spotlight over anything else unique>>574559426That wouldnt work because you're supposed to eat the Bread where you want to teleport back to later, and we cant make Kris use it before the lake scene
