Welcome to Sonic the Hedgehog General! Here we discuss all things Sonic!/sthg/ #9494 - Everyone can be redeemed Edition==NEWS==>Sonic the Hedgehog's 35th anniversaryhttps://www.sega.com/sonic-the-hedgehog?tab=35th-anniversary>'Sonic Live in Concert' Announced For US, UK, Starting September 2026https://www.sonicstadium.org/articles/sonic/sonic-live-in-concert-announced-for-us-uk-starting-september-2026-r3441/>Sonic the Hedgehog: Memories and Beyond short animation in Fall 2026https://youtu.be/ZOdpBJdeOhI >Sonic the Hedgehog 4 to release on March 19, 2027https://x.com/SonicMovie==Comic Release Dates==Sonic the Hedgehog #88 - 05 August 2026DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #4 - 05 August 2026Sonic the Hedgehog X Godzilla #2 - 02 September 2026DC X Sonic the Hedgehog: Metal Legion #5 - 02 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #89 - 09 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #90 - 30 September 2026Sonic the Hedgehog #91 - 28 October 2026==GENERAL INTEREST LINKS==https://rentry.org/sthglinks>Milestone pastebin:https://pastebin.com/LJCfZhY4>Sonic Game/Mod Recommendation Spreadsheet:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#sonic-gamemod-recommendation-spreadsheet>Perfect System Collection:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#perfect-system-collection>Sonic comic scans:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#comics>Sonic shows:https://rentry.org/sthglinks#shows>SAGEhttps://sagexpo.org/>SHChttps://shc.zone/>#10000 Projecthttps://pastebin.com/Fb8Bt4ru>/sthg/ booru:https://sthg.booru.org/>/sthg/ CyTube:https://cytube/r/sthg>/sthg/ Pixel World:https://ourworldofpixels.com/sthgPrevious Zone: >>574772983
What the fuck man
what da OP 'doin?
Sonurge
Tails!
>>574831851>kids onlyis he not?or is he supposed to be just a midget?
>>574831702What's freakier? Being born with an extra appendage or being a cyborg zombie with water powers?
=)
>>574831182Critical theory is exactly where wokeness came from. It teaches people to believe that they're oppressed and that they're entitled to special treatment over it. That's basically what wokeness is. It's to think you're a victim of oppression for being a homo, a Troon, and a woman and that you deserve privilege over it
>>574832117Sonic?
>>574831591I can agree that Japanese stuff works and is thematically and symbolically deep. Some of the things I didn't know exist, also I want to make observation.Sonic Japan is simple on the surface but has deeper themes, while Archie Sonic has more visible depth thats easy to see. This is why in the 2000s and early 2010s many Archie fans characterized the games as simplistic.
>>574831182"Wokeism" isn't a thing. Subversion and dogma is the point of it all because it's a death cult.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7EokiJcfsE>>574832020Fennecs are the smallest species of foxes, even in one of the annuals showcasing another family of fennecs, all of them were depicted as short.That said, Kit is roughly 10 - 12 years old.
Will Kit ever ball?
>>574831621I miss when Sonic attracted edgelords back then because Sonic was an edgy franchise but then they eventually poisoned themselves with HRT
>>574832072I like how Nic is SO clearly down bad for Tails, but he has to play it cool now that he's gained so much attention in the sonic fandom. I like how he came up with an excuse to draw tails barefoot in his comic.must be quiet troublesome
I hate how "woke" got completely co-opted by the far-right and became a slur."Mobian" isn't a bad word nor is it a bad way to describe Sonic anthros, and shouldn't be treated as such.
You always hide behind characterization and stories because you know deep down they are bad and almost any other developer or a team with new blood will make a better job.
Are you saying that 2D Sonic games can't sell well...?
>>574829745I remember the days when us kitDJs were persecuted for shitting up the threads and even accused of samefagging for posting surge/kit pics with music and nothing else. Mercy, how times have changed.https://youtu.be/A1NeFpMrtvc
>>574832560Mobian is fine as long as it stays out of universe
>>574832304Archie isnt really deep though. Especially after reboot. Its complex, but in the "you have to fo a whole bunch of homework to know all the Wikipedia facts" kind of way rather than on the "academically dense and heady" kind of way.The people that say that about the games arent looking for depth, but instead to just have a more thorough escapism experience, where the games tell you a story, let you escape for a while but ask you to get back to reality.
>>574832519I like his art. I remember seeing he wanted to get into the IDW comics, hope it works out >I like how he came up with an excuse to draw tails barefoot in his comicReally?
Douge
>>574832742>>574832762She is going to abandon him when she sees that he's trying to manipulate her
:o
>>574832831I guess that explains why I like Archie.
>>574832843
>>574832560>spoilerNot what happened. It was a black term that white leftoids appropriated from black people. Then reactionaries and rightwing people used it the same way leftoids used it. Then leftoids accused rightwingers of "co-opting" it when it was leftoids that claimed it was "made up by the right" and "doesn't mean anything"Rouge the Bat glows in the dark.
>>574833069:PI'll never understand feet
>>574833069I wonder if this was before or after the beast boy tails foot reveal
>>574832905
>>574832560I hate Mobian because it sounds like some StarTrek alien race thing. It doesn't fit the Sonic series as a term.I hate overlander as well.But I also hate Badnik so whatever.Calling Sonic a "mobian" makes him sound like some scifi alien rather than a cartoon animal character like Mickey.
>>574832584I loathe Sonic Team defenders more than anything and wish there was a real eastern branch. Sonic more resembles a western comic with its nonsense than a japanese product. This franchise would not be the trash heap it is if they had integrity and artistic vision like something that genuinely came from the east. Sonic Team change everything at the drop of a hat. If you think this franchise has integrity, you're nothing but a pig trying to pretend you have dignity
Jokerians are so cute
>>574833047You're probably the type that likes shit like Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and StarWars too.
Mobian is world building for the sake of it It doesn't reflect anything in the characters. The same problem with most of Archie
>>574833576? What even is your criticism? Word building bad?
>>574833225Something something brain pleasure and feet sensory overlap.
>>574833415>Sonic more resembles a western comic with its nonsense than a japanese product.No it doesn't... play the games.>This franchise would not be the trash heap it is if they had integrity and artistic vision like something that genuinely came from the east. Sonic Team change everything at the drop of a hat. If you think this franchise has integrity, you're nothing but a pig trying to pretend you have dignityHe says while posting Itachi of all characters.Sonic is a game series. Also watch something other than battleshonenslop, aurashitter
>>574833639World building should serve a function in the characters instead of fill out answers on a wiki
>>574833576Does worldbuilding and more is more hurt Archie's on its own terms? I don't think so. More is more maximalism is a valid way of creating entertainment, and Archie aims to do that. It does hurt its relation to the games though.
>>574833415Sonic Team literally stopped having a vision when Yuji Naka was fired.
>>574833639Worldbuilding is a forced meme. The point of it should be to sell the themes and the characters and the story. Not just be a little diorama lego set for its sake.It doesn't add anything to call thr animal characters "mobians" or to have Egan's robots called "badniks".I accept Gun Commander's name but he also didnt really need it.The President didnt need a name and no one is bitching about him not having one.This is a series where locations are called "Little Planet" and "Station Square".
Worldbuilding is also a fun hobby. Although Archie Sonic has more fleshed out stuff than the games, it would probably be disjointed and focused in the wrong areas relative to some worldbuilding you can find in other series, and pure worldbuilding projects.
>>574833539whats wrong with lord of the rings
>>574833539Try to read a real book for once
>>574833576It was just random shit added by the writers to explain certain characters and just stuff they couldn't add to original works because Sonic was more successful. The content even clashed because the writers weren't reading each other's stories.
>>574833774>World building should serve a function in the charactersHow does defining the race of the main characters, which is ambiguous in this verse due to the hazy line between animal and human, serve no function?
Get down on it!
>>574833113>Then reactionaries and rightwing people used it the same way leftoids used it.> it was leftoids that claimed it was "made up by the right" and "doesn't mean anything"No, rightwing reactionaries (and anyone in their orbit) use "woke" as a catch-all criticism for what they perceive as performative activism with negative connotations, if something is "too woke" it deserves to fail, which is very different from how the the leftwing/black community used the term, which is to be aware and critical of systemic oppression (something a lot of rightwing reactionaries see as not real and the act of critiquing as performative and annoying). Currently, the rightwing reactionary definition of woke the most used and understood by the general populace, while its original use is mostly forgotten.>>574832905Nah, she'll forgive him. It will be water under a bridge. They are a package deal.
>>574833782Nobody engages with Archie because its dense with a bunch of fluff that doesnt matter.Its part of ehy no one could get ibto it and a huge part of why IDW is massively more populatThis isn't even a Sonic specific issue. Western comics are just bad with this stuff in general.
https://youtu.be/v63ZxOhicWw
OGTrilogy Star Wars had soft internal logic and whimsical in it too. I didn't watch the full thing though.
>>574833853Yeahhhhhhh....thats about right.But it looks like they have more of a vision now. Let's see ehat happens.Kishimoto 3 game plan baybeeee!
>>574833879>Not just be a little diorama lego set for its sake.? WTF? Selling toys is half the reason for franchises to exist. What do you even mean it's not the point?Calling the animal characters mobians gives them a fantastical flair that communicates how they differ from ordinary creatures.>This is a series where locations are called "Little Planet" and "Station Square".And those are great examples of World Building.
>>574833774Ian will never see it like this. He thinks world-building is connecting stuff that are vaguely similar and unloading random shit in certain characters to make up for how shallow they are. Then the fans can add that info to a wiki page if it isn't already in the trivia section to begin with.
>>574833576Nightopian is world building for the sake of itIt doesn't reflect anything in the characters.
>>574833701>No it doesn't>Multiple writers, art styles, and important story info digging through mutiple side entries that may or may not be retconned
>>574834070Sonic is a hedgehog. End of story.
https://youtu.be/Ef4WfaZsF7M
Shaymay was right
>>574834132People were mostly engaged with Archie because of shipping. Even the fans thought most of the lore and characters were pointless and couldn't remember half of it.
>>574833907Ground zero for all the bad habits in western storytelling, including overemphasis on worldbuilding, fantasy racism and essentialism. Also all its fantasy tropes ate boring and every work that aped it is dull as a result.StarWars is cool though, but it was also inspired by eastshit
>>574834585There is no good jap literature.
>>574834247>But it looks like they have more of a vision now.Lol, no they don't. It's just comic shilling, crossovers, and looking at journalist reviews.
>>574834070How does it serve a function? You're asking to prove a negative.Answer the question yourself. What function does it add?
I can’t tell if this general is retarded on purpose
Cute men!
https://youtu.be/vRFo72wuU6w
>>574834118>No, rightwing reactionaries (and anyone in their orbit) use "woke" as a catch-all criticism for what they perceive as performative activism with negative connotations, if something is "too woke" it deserves to fail, which is very different from how the the leftwing/black community used the term, which is to be aware and critical of systemic oppression (something a lot of rightwing reactionaries see as not real and the act of critiquing as performative and annoying).No, youre wrong and clearly like 17 years old of you believe this.Like I said, the term was from Black spaces and leftoids appropriated it to be about other minority groups.Its the same thing that happened with the term SJW. The Leftoids called themselves that. Then claimed it was a pejorative made up by right-wingers when it wasnt.Shadow The Hegdgehog believes in first amendment rights.
>>574834702We all know it only serves to add a name for the wiki page for Sonic-like characters at this point (currently the article is just titled "Animal Prople" on the wiki btw).
ugly sonic characters?
Mecha Cosmo
>>574834585I disagree, but I think western serious literary story has a problem where it's all grounded and subtle and lost its mythic stuff.Sonic can be emblematic of the way the east never got obsessed with that and can leave enchanted mythic teleology in their stories and make it thought provoking.But I like western genre fiction.
>>574834070NTA, and I kinda see your point, but, Sonic's species and how he's physically different from the humans he interacts with isn't really the focal point of any of his stories;, he's just a guy the happens to be a funny cartoon hedgehog. On the flipped, Shadow's differences with humanity are important to his character, which is why he gets to have his "species" defined as half-black arms alien thing, and this definition gets a lot of focus. I do think the Blobians should have an official name though and I also think that the humans npc in Sonic confuse this distinction because now Shadow is doubly unique by being both and alien(intended) and a Blobian(sorta unintended) from everyone else.
>>574834963Just read any Fleetway issue for that lol
every sonic game is someones first sonic game and i feel bad for all the fans that got introduced through shad05 or battle or black knight and then have to live with it being the only sonic game like it so sad
Sonic characters are cartoony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ9lF9muywk
https://youtu.be/Pe2b96k6WQ4
Japan fiction gets all the interesting variety while most of my exposure to Chinese fiction all has daoist power system that is the same in every web novel. American gets the cool action movies and films, but not so much anymore.That being said I like how non Greco-Roman descended writing is less strict on some things regarding morality, because it doesn't have cultural Christianity influencing its themes.
>>574835319Black Knightfags have Secret Rings at least
>>574834886>Gamergate and Twitter corrupted Social Justice Warrior.Words change with the culture they are in, this happened to gay too.I actually don't think Shadow would believe in the First Amendment freedoms (freedom of press, assembly, religion, speech and petition). He would find them all pointless and actively hates the religion of the Black Arms.
>>574835098>I do think the Blobians should have an official name thoughThe fact that the games have went decades without it shows how pointless naming them is.
https://youtu.be/e5n7DeqNHFY
Sonic wouldn't care about politics. I do think he'd like living off the land and being left alone though, and just doing what he wants.>>574835636
>>574834702I just did you stupid fuck.
>>574834963Ugly is subjective.>>574835661And casuals will continue to call them Mobians until we get an official alternative that is just as catchy.
Goodnight /sthg/!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaXTyaZBgqY>>574835543>Japan fiction gets all the interesting varietyHahahahaha!
If we get ONE more Sonic isekai story, just one fucking more, I'm going to turn every anon here into chili dogs
>>574834250>WTF? Selling toys is half the reason for franchises to exist.Anon, youre autistic. No one was being literal. >And those are great examples of World BuildingBarely. There names are stupidly simple and utilitarian.
>>574835098>he focal point of any of his storiesAnd since when does something have to be the focal point of the story to serve a purpose?Ironically, on the contrary Shadow's stupid aaylmao story serves absolutely no purpose in his story or the Sonic series at all. Shadow is supposed to be Sonic's dark incarnation. Making Shadow an aay ironically DISassociates him from Sonic further, not only serving no purpose in Shadow's function in the franchise but actively fighting AGAINST it.This is the DEFINITION of convoluted.
>Werehog Sonic can absorb Dark Gaia energy to make himself stronger by tapping into it to augment his speed and strength on top of invulnerability like Super forms>Dark Gaia can casually tear apart the planet in addition to taking on both Super Sonic and Light Gaia at the same time>Werehog Sonic can theoretically absorbed enough Dark Gaia energy to match Super forms
>>574833774>>574834250>>574834253Character psychology >>>> worldbuilding.Meaning stacking >>>>world building.Themes >>>> worldbuilding>>574834317That's every game series that isnt just 4 games like NaughtySlop
>>574836267>No one was being literal.Your post is ironic because you used legos as an example, anon. You're missing the point, which is that the world building being a fun little trinket isn't insignificant, that ITSELF is the purpose. I hope that's not hard for you to grasp.>Barely. There names are stupidly simple and utilitarian.Anon this is a series where characters are named things like Tails or Knuckles. I need you to stay with me here.
>>574835903They can keep calling them mobians or whatever in the fandom. The games don't need a name unless you're a wikifag.
>>574834253>connecting stuff that are vaguely similarSuch as?
I'm gonna worldbuild so hard. You can't believe it. The hobby is easy and I can do it so I will.
https://youtu.be/y0-6IbgKvdU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ey4e1O1xMG'night.
>>574834473About?>>574834534And the writers knew it which is why thry played on it.>>574834678By the bad standards of Plato and Arsitotle and James Campbell maybe. >>574834958As it should.>>574835636>Words change with the culture they are in, this happened to gay too.This isnt a question of words changing over time with use. its people playing revisionist history to push a narrative.>>574835636>I actually don't think Shadow would believe in the First Amendment freedoms (freedom of press, assembly, religion, speech and petition). He would find them all pointless and actively hates the religion of the Black Arms.Yes I just needed to say something Sonic related. Shadow doesn't believe in people telling him what to do. Or assholes coming along thinking they can tell everyone else what to do.
>>574834963sage is a weird little goblin>>574835154fleetway looks good outside of the mcmahon issues and adventure adaptation
>>574834070Thr fact we even have to have this convo is part of the problem. No one thinks about this in Kingdom Hearts even though its way more jarring.But terms like "Mobian" make it feel like the Sonic characters are these hard seperate scifi fantasy race like arcs or elves. They aren't. The fact they arent defined as concretely seperate is intentional. You arent supposed to thibk of it in those terms. He's a cartoon hedgehog. We shouldn't even be thinking of them as "anthros".
>>574836876>About?Everything.
>>574834585>it was also inspired by eastshit?
>>574836859Gnighthttps://youtu.be/LuaaO35sP0A
Amy's Equestrian outfit is very cute. Way better than just making her use the winter outfit for some reason.
Enough world building. We need character building, and nothing builds character better than suffering. Which of your four (4) most liked characters need more trials and tribulations?
>>574837108This isn't Kingdom Sharts. Sonic's world has>Humans>Animals>Chibi Animals>Humanoid Animals>Completely fictional animals>Gods>Eldritch MonstersCalling the Sonic characters who are demonstrably Sonic characters by a specific name isn't a bad thing. It actually makes shit a whole lot less confusing. In Fleetway Sonic, and even Archie to some extent, having the animals that Sonic saves be just cartoon animals made the world feel coherent. But in the games, the reason it all feels jarring is because nothing in the world is thematically consistent. Either have some consistency or make distinctions.
>>574835543Its a problem with writing and literature in the west in general. Manichaeism and memesis fucked western art hard.Everything has to be recreating a simulacrum of reality and subverting otherwise black and white worldviews.Once you see it, everything about how western society is right now makes sense.American education mixed with this results in people having closed minded militant views on what is "good" not based on substance but on following arbitrary rules.And those get decided based on what facilitates the machine. This is what happens when your culture is so thoroughly abstracted.>>574835098Sonic and all the other animal characters are also a part of humanity. This is what I mean. Shadow doesnt specifically hate "humans". Shadow's dictate for humanity is supposed to be him looking down at mortals since he is an immortal superbeing.But Americans make everything into Tolkien fantasy racism
>>574835875No you didn't.>>574836298>Shadow an aay ironically DISassociates him from Sonic further,Yes, that's the point. Your idea of what a dark incarnation means is misplaced. Your undoubtedly thinking of it the way people think of Scourge.Shadow is a Shadow in the Jungian sense. Not literal. Sonic is also alienated from everything yet ever present. Like the wind.Shadow is alienated from everything yet ever present, like a shadow.
>>574836298>not wanting Shadow to be an alienWtf is wrong with you? Do you want him to be Sonic's clone?
>>574836492>Your post is ironic because you used legos as an example, anon.Its a metaphor, Timone.>>574836492>You're missing the point, which is that the world building being a fun little trinket isn't insignificant, that ITSELF is the purposeNo, its a derailment. The point of a story is the story. If the world building for its sake "is the purpose" its missing the point and doing exactly what I just said.>Anon this is a series where characters are named things like Tails or Knuckles. I need you to stay with me hereYou're just replying to reply now
>>574836605The Babylon Rogues, the Battle Kukku Empire, and Bean the Dynamite.
>>574838091Worldbuilding is valuable in its own way, once separate from storytelling.
>>574837474This is a non-issue that you are trying to make a big deal. You are losing nothing from the games with them not having a categorized name.
>>574837217Lucas has stated he was inspired by samurai movies and eastern themes for StarWars. Though he obviously reframes a lot of shit through a western lens. StarWars is still a thoroughly western movie series.
>>574837741So eastern fiction doesn't have tropes and alternate reality in the same way? But Japan and China are the greatest at making escapism from my experience.
>>574837474>Calling the Sonic characters who are demonstrably Sonic characters by a specific name isn't a bad thing. It is and also isnt needed. You have the animal characters, the actual animals, the animal buddies, humans, Not everything has to be categorized in thos autistic way especially if there isnt any real reason to.The idea any of this is confusing confuses me if anything.
Very relevant quote.
>>574838174It isn't. It just becomes masturbatory. There is a reason the famous saying goes "if you could remove this from your story and nothing would change, you should" exists.
>>574838606There is 40K and other things though. That proves a verse on its own can carry a franchise.
Do you guys know about Yamato damashii?
>>574838408>So eastern fiction doesn't have tropes and alternate reality in the same way? But Japan and China are the greatest at making escapism from my experience.I didn't say they don't. Escapism isn't a feature of western writing specifically, nor is the specific form of it via worldbuilding prioritization.Western writers on geneal tend to be focused on systemitization whereas eastern ones treat the world as a stage for the scenario.
>>574838848Is that a character from Good Time Dragon?
>>574837924>No you didn't.Learn to read.>Shadow is a Shadow in the Jungian sense. Not literal. Sonic is also alienated from everything yet ever present. Like the wind.Shadow is alienated from everything yet ever present, like a shadow.
Find the Advance quintet + Eggman
>>574838059He could just be who he was when he was introduced but apparently that wasn't good enough so they had to tack on a bunch of random shit that makes 0 sense and completely derails the series.>>574838091>Its a metaphorNo fucking shit anon. Please think before responding.>No, its a derailment. The point of a story is the storyThe story has a purpose...it has a reason for existing. That is the engage the audience, and in a way specific to the goals of this series. And that is, to be a fun little playground for fantasy characters to muck around in. Saying the story's point is the story is unbelievably ironic considering this entire stupid conversation is contingent on "worldbuilding for the sake of worldbuilding" being a bad thing.
>>57483866440K exists for DnDshit. It doesnt exists to tell actual stories.
>>574839584Anon Sonic literally gets to be the best at everything. Shadow being an alien helps differentiate him. Why you'd want him to be MORE like Sonic I genuinely don't understand.
>>574839284>Learn to read.I did.
>>574838129When did he connect those? In archie? Actually that sounds pretty fucking cool lol>>574838230Well, no, not really. The point of this conversation is there's people seething about muh mobians. My stance is that there's nothing wrong with distinctions. So, I'm not making anything a big deal, I'm saying that you only have something to gain by making distinctions. The series could refuse to elaborate and I wouldn't care. But for those of you who think that these distinctions have no function, I'm telling you, they do.
>>574838276>Lucas has stated he was inspired by samurai movies and eastern themes for StarWars.That weirdly makes sense when I think about it. They swing around swords, or sabers, in these long robes.
>>574839584>a bunch of random shit that makes 0 sense and completely derails the series.It makes perfect sense with his character and themes. The black Arms play into his judeo Christian themes. Gods and Demons being aliens is a comon trope in both anime and western media.Shadow being feared because he was to be used as a weaponPlays directly into his sci-fi space experiment government conspiracy shtickAnd the Black Arms are motivated by the same thing Gerald and Shadow were. A fundrmental distrust and disdain for humanity.
>>574839303what do i win??
>>574839867There is this guy named Kurosawa that made Samurai movies that Lucas copied.
>>574839983wait shit i forgot to circle cream!!! i................. lost
>>574838504It isn't a problem but it literally can't hurt anything. Also if it's not confusing then...explain it. Why are there realistic animals, people animals, and little chibi animals in the same universe? Do humanoid animals mate with humans? Are they seen as animals by humans? Does Sonic have a problem with animals being turned into robots or just the animal buddies? Does he really give no fucks about realistic animals? And why were the animal buddies simply referred to as Sonic's friends in the early Sonic games? What are the rules of this verse?>>Calling the Sonic characters who are demonstrably Sonic characters by a specific name isn't a bad thing.>It isGo on then. Explain why.
>>574840156Slippery slope fallacy
>>574836605He randomly made the black arms and the wisps fuse together and I think shoved all of the freedom fighters onto WestSide island and made Bunnie from the Sol Dimension and many other things>>574839867Yup and the Jedi are like a clan of samurai under a lord.He calls them "Knights" instead of Samurai. The "force" is a Taoist concept refrained througha western lens (dark side vs light side manicheistic struggle between heaven and hell) The Daimao is replaced with an Evil Emperor in Darth Vader, etc.Force ghosts are ascended masters, etc.
>>574839657This is the weirdest shit imaginable. Shadow's entire design is in relation to Sonic, if you don't like the fact that he is like Sonic then you fundamentally don't like him lmao>>574839747Relearn.
>>574840156>It isn't a problem but it literally can't hurt anythingIt foes because it legitimized the attitude and further distances the characters from humans. It invites the attitude of treating them like the Goron or the Zora or like the Kajeet or whatever.>>574840156>Why are there realistic animals, people animals, and little chibi animals in the same universe?Why does it matter? They just do. No one asks this for Mario or Kirby or Disney movies or cartoons.Literally no one asks this in Animaniacs.
>>574839959>The black Arms play into his judeo Christian theme> Gods and Demons being aliens is a comon trope in both anime and western media.>Shadow being feared because he was to be used as a weapon>Plays directly into his sci-fi space experiment government conspiracy shtick>And the Black Arms are motivated by the same thing Gerald and Shadow were. A fundrmental distrust and disdain for humanity.
>>574840434>This is the weirdest shit imaginable. Shadow's entire design is in relation to Sonic, if you don't like the fact that he is like Sonic then you fundamentally don't like him lmaoThis is reductive. Every characters is designed in relation to Sonic save arguably Eggman.That doesn't mean every character has to be "literally Sonic" but a different color.
RIGNIC THE HEDGETINI
>>574840575Invincible is just DBZ but for White people.
>>574833649I think it's the fact it's taboo by Sega standards (Mario and Sonic Rio 2016) and that their feet are larger than what they need to be.
>>574840434I fundamentally think it's better for him to be a different character rather than just a Sonic clone.
How many Koreans Tails killed?
>>574840547>r Mario or Kirby or Disney movies or cartoons.>Literally no one asks this in Animaniacs.This is because those franchises accept and embrace the fact that their nonsense worlds for kids. Since Sonic wants to be le serious, now a fuckton of questions are raised. And if you were wondering, yes, out of all of the denizens of this great big ball of dirt and water, literally the only ones crawling upon its surface that fail to understand why people question and criticize Sonic but not Who Framed Roger Rabbit are Sonic fans themselves.
>>574841031>This is because those franchises accept and embrace the fact that their nonsense worlds for kids.You say this when Mario used to have RPGs where shit got more dire than most Sonic games.
>>574831851Only Surge ship that makes sense.
>>574841031>This is because those franchises accept and embrace the fact that their nonsense worlds for kids.Shit you made up>Since Sonic wants to be le serious, now a fuckton of questions are raised.Shit you made up. A story taking itself seriously doesnt make these things suddenly important. Disney Movies expect you to take them seriously and people still dont get autistic over this shit.>pic relatedPeople didnt have a problem with her being human. They just thought Sonic being in a romance was cringe in generalAlso the artstyle being overly realistic bothered people.You and others are just literally conditioned by shit like TMNT and Archie to think of these characters as mutated evolved woodland critters rather than scrimblos.
>>574837458This franchise is not narrative focused and the sooner you accept that the happier you'll be.
>>574840658>Every characters is designed in relation to SonicNo, I mean Shadow is designed as Sonic's dark mirror. In other words, he has all of Sonic's powers and abilities. The fact that they are similar was half the plot in Shadow's debut. Knuckles is supposed to be strong, that's his thing.Tails is smart and can fly.Amy has a massive hammer.Rouge flies and kicks stuff, Cream flies and sicks cheese on you, Espio turns invisible, etc. etc. they all have a thing that they do.So what does Shadow do? Shadow, basically, does what Sonic does. EXCEPT he has MORE powers than Sonic. He uses Chaos Control and Chaos Spear, and this already differentiates him from Sonic. But it doesn't derail the "story" because Sonic is ALSO capable of these things. Because Sonic and Shadow are, deliberately, alike. Sonic could do these things all along, but didn't know. This was already a compelling enough story by itself, and Sonic and Shadow aren't exactly the same by the end of it. But apparently this wasn't enough, because now Shadow's an aaylmao
>>574841305Sonic is stronger than Knuckles at this point.
People will see this and get mad that playing the tambourine isn’t listed as one of Shadow’s likes on his bio.
>>574841425>half lidUH OH
>>574840942Then you don't like him on a fundamental level, because being like Sonic is the entire original concept. It's nice you want him to be different but let's keep this Sonic the Hedgehog and not try to evolve into fucking E.T. the Black Creature.
>>574841425WikIan and his cultists aren't people.
>>574841189Shit can get more dire without having an inappropriate tone, something the Sonic series, and even more persistently Sonic fans, have repeatedly failed to understand.>>574841274>Shit you made upGo ahead and show me Super Sci-Fi 64 then, or Final Super Mario 7.>Disney MoviesAccept the genre they're in and their target audience. Shit gets dire as hell in a movie literally called The Goofy Movie and never feels like it's trying to genre shift. ONLY Sonic fans don't get this, never have, and at this point I'm convinced never will. >People didn't have a problem with her being humanShit you made up.
>>574841814>The Goofy MovieSonic wishes it could have writing like this.https://youtu.be/FUkLukW1Unc?feature=shared
>>574841305>No, I mean Shadow is designed as Sonic's dark mirror. In other words, he has all of Sonic's powers and abilities. The fact that they are similar was half the plot in Shadow's debut.It was more themes than plot. The plot element is just Sonic getting framed.The point of Shadow is how similar yet different they are.Sonic is more natural and simple and like the wind and whatever but Shadow is articial, and more directly engages with the shit about government conspiracies and humanity's folie.>Knuckles is supposed to be strong, that's his thing.Well, his thing is being "the opposite of Sonic" he is the mountain to Sonic's wind.Tails is supposed to be soft compared to Sonic. He has twin Tails so they can spin to help him go fast like Sonic. He has tech skills to help Sonic, particularly with his plane that Sonic now has so Tails can assist him.Amy is a pink hedgehog to be girl Sonic. She didnt even have her hammer originally, and its not even a conventional hammer but a novelty item.>So what does Shadow do? Shadow, basically, does what Sonic does. EXCEPT he has MORE powers than Sonic. He uses Chaos Control and Chaos Spear, and this already differentiates him from Sonic. But it doesn't derail the "story" because Sonic is ALSO capable of these things. Because Sonic and Shadow are, deliberately, alike. Sonic could do these things all along, but didn't know. This was already a compelling enough story by itself, and Sonic and Shadow aren't exactly the same by the end of it. But apparently this wasn't enough, because now Shadow's an aaylmaoThis argument doesnt make sense. Even in SA2, Shadow is an artifical being made by a scientist trying to create the ultimate living creature. That shit was already there, and that stuff played into the dynamiic as well.Shadow's character was never just his parallels to Sonic.He is an immortal superbeing judging humanity for there sins.Black Doom is space Satan doing the same thingIn both cases, Shadow opposes
>>574841974He's just trolling because his dad wasn't there for him anon.
>>574841531>because being like Sonic is the entire original concept.No it isn't. Being like him yet not like him was. Shadow was always meant to be his own character rather than being defined purely in relation to Sonic. He isn't like Metal Sonic where his identity revolves around Sonic.
>>574841396Going by their motif, not canon facts. Remember Knuckles in the Sonic Boom cartoon constantly making jabs at fans talking about stuff he doesn't do that's in his profile? There's a difference between what's observed and what the character's idea is, even though there really shouldn't be and it's the writers' fault when there is.
>>574837458Amy, Silver, Knuckles, and I can't think of a 4th one
>>574841814>Go ahead and show me Super Sci-Fi 64 then, or Final Super Mario 7.Play the RPGs and Mario + Rabbids>>574841814>Accept the genre they're in and their target audience. Shit gets dire as hell in a movie literally called The Goofy Movie and never feels like it's trying to genre shift. ONLY Sonic fans don't get this, never have, and at this point I'm convinced never will.Literally nothing you said here makes any sense.Sonic isn't Sci-Fi. Its science fantasy at best.
>>574841425How's Krack going to react to this?
>>574842217The RPGs are not nearly as dire as you claim. This is the equivalent to those faggy YouTube videos that claim how "disturbing" Sesame Street used to be or something because it overtly acknowledged the death of a cast member.
>>574837458>builds character better than suffering.Bullshit.Metal Virus did jack shit to build character.The idea suffering builds character is a myth.
>>574842282 was meant for >>574841491
>>574842282She will say that Katie is scheming all these things to personally attack her
>>574842349>direWho gives a fuck about how dire things are? Its literally not relevant. To whether or not we need to give every living thing some Tolkien fantasy name or not.
>>574841974>The plot element is just Sonic getting frame...Because Shadow is similar to him.>The point of Shadow is how similar yet different they are.That's exactly what I said.>he is the mountain to Sonic's wind.Imma head out>>574842052WTF is this projection?>>574842074>No it isn't. Being like him yet not like him was. Anon....he's LIKE Sonic. Conceptually. Of course he's not a literal replica. Do I really have to say that?
You still believe we are dirty cheaters, riggers?
>>574842367You are fucking retarded, the ONLY reason that arc didn't change anything is because they aren't allowed to>than why did Ian write itI don't fucking know
>>574842217>Play the RPGs and Mario + Rabbidslmfao are you honest to god retarded?>Sonic isn't Sci-Fi. Sonic is whatever the fuck the crackheads at Sonic Team feel like he should be on a given afternoon. Where that's a Knights of the Round Table story, literally Aladdin, Final Fantasy, Super Mario, Grand Theft Auto, Jak & Daxter, F-Zero, The Legend of Zelda, or Sonic the Hedgehog depends on how much reefa there was in their system that dev cycle.
>>574842478>Because Shadow is similar to him.Yes but its not "half the plot". Its a single plot point that acts as the exciting incident. The similarity between the two is more themes driven than plot. To this day there is still no actual plot explanation for the similarity. Its left up to themes that we connect the dots and come to conclusions>That's exactly what I said.Not you said it is entirely how he is like Sonic.The aspects of Shadow that are different are explored by the circumstances of his creation and the implications of it.>Imma head outGo back to Twitter.>>574842478>Anon....he's LIKE Sonic. Conceptually. Of course he's not a literal replica. Do I really have to say that?Then why do you pretend all this shit about him being a government conspiracy lab experiment supersoldier made on space colony ARK with a girl named Maria and the blatant Christ symbolism isnt relevant to his character?
>>574842217>Sonic isn't Sci FiYou are fucking retarded or you don't actually understand what sci fi means
>>574842473NTA but it's perfectly relevant to you acting like Mario RPGs +Rabbids was some kind of franchise tone shift.
>>574842843But it gave Mario a gun
>>574842590>You are fucking retarded, the ONLY reason that arc didn't change anything is because they aren't allowed toNo retard. That's not how storytelling works. Things change because they are written to. Characters not chamging from the experience is also valid and real.These characters have gone through worse shit than MV. The writers are the ones that made em make sad depressed faces at every turn even though they casually smiled at eachother during several space time dimensional catastrophes and the story happens off the back of a literal world war that spanned 6 months.Suffering doesnt inherently build character.It's a myth created by Christcucks to indocntrinate people into slave mentality while makong it out to be virtuous.
You guys need to learn how to make your points with three sentences max, no one wants to read all this shit
>>574842807No, anon "having robots" doesnt make your story scifi.>"having advanced futuristic tech" dpesnt make it scifi either.At no point does the series ever actually attempt to ground any of the science or tech shit in the series.Its not actual scifi.
>>574842970Was enough for Shadow.>>574842843>NTADont believe you>toneshiftThe series shifted to cheesy action flic for 1 game. OnE GAME.
>>574842778>To this day there is still no actual plot explanation for the similarity.Ok, anon, THAT is about the overARCIHNG plot, not the plot of the game called Sonic Adventure 2. In the plot of SA2, a LOT of the plot is about Sonic being similar to Shadow. Eggman thinks Shadow is Sonic, Amy thinks Shadow is Sonic, Sonic gets arrested multiple times because they mistake him for Shadow, Sonic is constantly calling him faker, Sonic is shocked by what he almost interpreted as Shadow's speed, Shadow is shocked that Sonic is able to perform Chaos Control with a fake emerald after only seeing Shadow do it, and in the end after spending the whole game talking about Ultimate Life Form this and Ultimate Life Form that, Shadow even says it might be Sonic. Half the plot isn't something literally quantifiable, but suffice it to say a LOT of the plot is about Sonic and Shadow being similar.>Not you said it is entirely how he is like Sonic.No I did not. I said it's about him being similar to Sonic. I literally pointed out that Shadow was ALREADY made to be different from Sonic without going tits up with the aaylmao plot.>Go back to Twitter.Will they make autistic haikus about nature parallels in sonic characters there? >Then why do you pretend all this shit about him being a government conspiracy lab experiment supersoldier made on space colony ARK with a girl named Maria and the blatant Christ symbolism isnt relevant to his character?What the FUCK are you talking about? I never even brought any of that shit up. Damn you are smoking something strong.
>>574843131>illiterate and no attention span.This is what Twitter and tiktok does to a person.
>>574843303You're just splitting hairs retard.
>>574843265>Sonic only had a tone shift for oNe GaMe!
>>574843364None of you possess the skill to create compelling arguments so just get to the fucking point
>>574843449You mean like saying no Shadow isn't about being like Sonic he's about being like Sonic with a sombrero on! Kill yourself.
>>574843303>Ok, anon, THAT is about the overARCIHNG plot, not the plot of the game called Sonic Adventure 2.It literally is. You said it yourself. You keep trying to retro your own statents. Just take the L.>In the plot of SA2, a LOT of the plot is about Sonic being similar to Shadow.Im starting to think you dont know what the word "plot" means.Like I said 4 times now, the similarities between Sonic and Shadow are predominantly for themes. At no point is it in-universe relevant that they look similar for plot reasons beyond the fact that Sonic gets mistaken for Shadow.If you wanna stretch, you can argue the fact Sonic does Chaos Control.Thats hardly half the plot>is constantly calling him faker,Literally only like 1 time. The idea its a constant thing is a fandom meme>No I did not.Yes you did right here.>>574840434>Will they make autistic haikus about nature parallels in sonic characters there?Apparantly autism is when actually understanding themes in storytelling.Also, not even close to what a haiku is. Holy shit.>What the FUCK are you talking about? I never even brought any of that shit up. Damn you are smoking something strong.You're playing stupid again. The entire convo started because you said his entire character was about being like Sonic and that the aliens stuff was "random tacked on bullshit that had nothing to do with his character or themes".>>574836298 even claiming it somehow went against them >>574841305You just sperged out when anyone confronted you on this.Shadow is an artifially made superbeing made by scientists in space. His thing in SA2 is that he is enacting jidgement o humanity for there since against him and themselves.Gerald himself didnt even wanna work on Projecr Shadow originally because he felt humanity would use it to for war.Black Doom came to Earth to punish humanity for their sins against eachother because they are always killing eachother with spite and war.The idea it doesnt tie together is nonsense.
>>574843460Not what I said.
>>574841305Shadow could have the meta ability to instantly win any fight. He still wouldn't be Sonic.
>>574843303>>574844194what kind of thread did I just walk into aren't you guys supposed to be fighting about shipping or something
>>574845023Sonic is not a Gary Stu. Or Unstoppable.
>>574845991He absolutely is.
>>574844194>You said it yourself?? I said what? I said half the plot of SA2 was about Shadow being similar to Sonic. I didn't "retro" a damn thing, ever. Are your parents identical twins or something?> At no point is it in-universe relevant that they look similar for plot reasons beyond the fact that Sonic gets mistaken for Shadow.I just listed like 10 fucking times he gets mistaken for Shadow dipshit. Holy fuck talking to you is rotting my brain.>Literally only like 1 time.No, he called him a faker the moment they met, then again when they met the 2nd time and then the 3rd and 4th times they met he did not call him faker...so like half their encounters he called him faker, and Shadow even rants about who's really fake between them and you're arguing this wasn't significant in the story, it's monumentally stupid.>Yes you did right here.>Shadow's entire design is in relation to SonicBeing in relation to something isn't being a replica of something. Shadow's entire design IS in relation to Sonic.>Also, not even close to what a haiku is. Holy shit.You have to be shitting me, that was a turn of phrase not a reference to LITERAL haikus. Unironically, how old are you? And muh parallulz is NOT understanding the characters, it's using natural phenomena as a crutch to explain the characters for you.>You're playing stupid againYou're BEING stupid again. I never ever said shit about Maria or his ARK backstory. YOU sperged out because you felt personally attacked by me saying Shadow is designed to be like Sonic because wahh Shadow is his own character. No fucking shit, that doesn't change who he was designed after. This isn't rocket science. I thought you were pretending at first, but unironically stop being retarded.>The idea that aaylmao evangelion preaching about the sins of humanity with christian and other religious doctrines related to war and history doesn't tie in with cute hedgehog loop-de-loops to get rings and free the animals is nonsenseOpen a window.
Ian "What can I write to make fans like me more and increase the length of a wiki page?" Flynn.
>>574846374You guys should just both kill yourselves.
>>574846850No actually only you should.
>>574847725Why can't women be normal
>>574848312Because men couldn't be normal, so they adapted
>>574848418True dat
>>574848312>>574848418Pottery
>>574847725>>574848312This is what happens if Chads don't fuck the ugly girl
Shadow love latinasAnd latinas love Shadow
>>574848909>consumerism Ew
>>574848909I would actually buy these if 1) they were available in some method other than fast food and 2) all had original 2D art instead of reused 2D and 3D assets
>>574848909Sonic having happy meal toys and other deals like that were once a reflection of his success.Now they're an attempt at maintaining the image success.
>>574848909>unsolved mazeYou didn't eat the food.
>>574849118You can buy them overpriced in ebay
>>574849213That solves 1 but not 2>>574849196It hurts
need Shadow’s creamy goodness in my womb
Shadow should be able to get pregnant as part of being an ultimate life form
>>574849812Maybe the dark era wasn't so dark after all
>>574849196>Now they're an attempt at maintaining the image success.That's a very good way to describe the current state of the franchise as a whole.
>>574849196I just wish the happy meal toys were something actually nice to collect like tiny chao figures, the burger king ones and the classic figures from that latinx restaurant were absurdly cheap there’s better ways to use the toy budget, at least the cards look decent, just wish they had some new original art
>>574850320
Sonic wants to be a multimedia franchise and have unreasonable expectations of having pokemon level succes but they refuse to bring back the one thing that would give synergy to all their shit, just imagine>you got tickets to sonic 4 here’s a special movie chao for your garden>you successfully linked your game to sonic dream team here’s your dream chao>thanks for purchasing sonic’s new lego set here’s a lego chao for your garden It would be so fucking easy
>play Sonic Labyrinth out of morbid curiosity>get an invincibility or speed up>the game tries to give me a fucking seizure by having the background do a pure white strobing effect
>>574850921Sega/Sonic Team have proven time and time again that they have no idea what they are doing and have simply lucked their way into success.
>>574851041This but without an ounce of irony.
>>574850921Sonic will never have the kind of success until they have an actual vision, talent, good budget management, and actual engaging gameplay and story.
>there are people out there who look down on traditional girls for wanting to be homemakersYou know, being around the house means you have more time to enjoy indoor activities, like console games...I'm so good at Sonic R (I main Tails) that Dr. Eggman comes over to play me, which takes his mind off world domination, then I cook him his favorite meal if he behaves. He says, "When I conquer the world, I'll save you for last!" Which means I'm doing SOMETHING right.
https://files.catbox.moe/u1ktnd.png
>>574851041Extending this perception to the entirety of Sega itself is such an ignorant way of thinking. It shows a narrow view of the gaming industry that only the console market, specifically the western console market, ever actually mattered.Sega was practically the king of the arcade scene from the mid 80s onward.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fABig-UkP8
>>574851474>arcadesIf they were so good they would have saw the way arcades were going to go in the late 90s and pivoted properly
>>574832905Imagine if he gets Starline’s hypno glove and makes her forget Something tells me Surge will just get mad about being left in the dark rather than being lied to
The Sonic series will never thrive until it stops being self-conscious. You can feel that this series is so embarrassed of itself.
>>574851724It should be
>>574832905He's not manipulating her, he's trying to prop her up. Real manipulation would involve Kit using her to serve himself. Once everything all comes to light, Surge will pick Kit over being a hero.
>>574851013The game was simply not meant to be played outside of a tinny Game Gear screen. Incidentally, this is the one of the few games I played where a postrelease revision to fix the light effects is more than warranted.
>>574834118>performative activismThere's no such thing as genuine activism. All activism is performative. None of it makes the world a better place on purpose.
Im sorry tails im not marketable enough to survive and be in the main games like shadow or even have a new me like emerl, goodbye
>>574852239Would anyone here really want a Cosmo written by Ian Flynn or Evan Stanley?
>>574852348Is there ANY current Sonic writer who doesn't get shit in some form?>CosmoDo we need more aliens in the games?
>>574852052>>574851013Killing you through an epileptic seizure is the proper punishment for pirating.
Shadow Chronicles: The Light Sisterhood.
>>574851474NTA but I personally agree with him only in regards to Sonic. I don't really have a horse in the race when it comes to other aspects.
>>574852239>a new me like emerlThat would've been a good use of the seedling actually. Have it grow to be reminiscent of Cosmo but not the same Cosmo. Like a reincarnation rather than a resurrection. You can probably do more with that character if they start fresh and don't remember Season 3.People..DID like Cosmo outside of Tailshipping, right..?
>>574852769>Espio's horn stabbed her right through the brainrip
>>574852769
>>574852769What's supposed to be the appeal of this pairing?>>574852823I forgot how it went. Was the seed thing supposed to revive Cosmo or just grow one of her offspring?
>>574852695You know it's been rereleased in compilations and digitally, right? lol
>>574852896
Cosmo comes back, but she's paired with a female character. No, I'm not Ian Flynn.
>>574853014
>>574837474>actually makes shit a whole lot less confusingFuck off and go read Archie
>>574852907>Was the seed thing supposed to revive Cosmo or just grow one of her offspring?Depends on which dub you saw.>French/Asian: Sonic and Shadow pull a move out their ass called "Chaos Regeneration" that de-devolves Cosmo on the brink of death; Tails takes care of her in the hopes she'll grow back, but she'll likely stay a plant.>4Kids/English: Sonic and Shadow Chaos Control Cosmo away, and now she's living it large with her mom somewhere that's green (no you can't see but we'll replace Dark Oak's ghost taunting Sonic with a telepathic message to let Tails know this); the white seed is one of her many seeds she spread throughout the galaxy she never hinted at spreading before because the censors can sort of weasel the bright-light action animation as her offspring
>>574833782The fact that mobians are descended from modern animals mixed with human DNA stops being relevant as soon as it is introduced and breaks its own world building due to the fact that Mammoth Mogul is an extinct animal and we already saw that there were dinosaurs before Sonic's time. The encyclopedia attempted to fix this by claiming the dinosaurs suddenly came back and prehistory happened twice. All this to justify minor inconsistencies.
>>574853053Cosmo comes back, but then dies again at the end of the story she's reintroduced in. No, I'm not Yūki Imada.
>>574853467Shut up bitch.
>>574853829I would argue that it does come into play during the endangered species arc, but otherwise I agree that the Xorda reveal doesn't really add much aside from an explanation behind mobians
*licks you*
>>574854684Unleashed is shit
>>574854684I dowloaded recompiled and i was enjoying the game until it started spamming quick time events and now i don’t know how the fuck i was ever able to enjoy games during this era when quick time events were common as fuck in everythingJust shit all over my memories of the game i even have a werehog figure that i bought out of nostalgia before replaying it
>>574855142Every Sonic game is good until you play it
>>574855294...then it's GREAT!
>>574855389more a GREAT disappointment
>>574855450...that you can't experience it for the first time again!
>>574855526...because it's only fun the first time you play it
>>574854487*reposts your history*hehe, got'em! Mental illness. That'll show (You)
>>574855713Jokes on (You). I'm too drunk too remember making most of those.
sthg needs more porn
>>574855713>the only one of these where it's obviously the same personkekOh wait, the background and backgroundless may be two different people. Their post theming seems a bit different.
>>574856182Saleta needs to shatter my pelvis.
>>574856396mmmm trained alien hip slamming
>>574856396>>574856430Sonic? Sonic the Hedgehog?
>>574856554I'd fuck Rouge too
>>574856554ha i get the joke archie characters are off brandI want to fuck Bunnie now
>>574856554Who?
Best Sonic character
>>574851416She reminds me of Paula
>>574857174>You'll fill out>has massive tits and ass
>>574853821>pull a move out of their assSuper Sonic healed Chris in his first appearance in Sonic X.>la la la la la la la la la la la la la>kotoba ni dekinai
>>574851416Ah, Ms. Zooey! You vivacious vixen! You hibernating, homey home-body! I challenge you to around of Doctorr Rrrrrrobotnik's Mean-Bean MACHINE!
>>574857174now turn around
I'd rather deal with a richard kuta satamfag than a purist
>>574857174>One robotic arm and leg>It's not Sally and Bunnie but their kidsGod damn sexy kids...
>>574857241Did that power revert Chris into a baby? Seems kinda different.
>>574856832Silver's pubes?
>>574857630Why does Bunnie's kid have robot prosthetics?
>>574853821Did the japanese dub ever ACTUALLY explain Cosmo? I've seen it twice and I still do not get it. Even ignoring the english dub the previous episodes established that the seeds are hor her species REPRODUCES which would imply that a seed that came from Cosmo is her baby isn't it? Am I missing something?
>>574857779Robovagina
>>574857659It would have, if he wasn't already a baby.
>Sonic X if it were good
>>574857812It was established that Cosmo's race has to mate with a male before they can bloom out seeds or something.Oh wait, Cosmo technically did that with her dad Lucas/Dark Oak. Nevermind.
>>574858373Please delete this post right now
>>574858445Sorry, anon, it's literally what happens before she dies.
>>574858180Bunnie is the hottest girl in archie and Scourge was right to do this.
>>574858373>>574858543you people are ill
horny
>>574858836
So Cosmo is supposed to be Tails' girl but...>Glazes Sonic every chance she gets.>Forces herself on her own dad to defeat him and fucks off forever to the afterlife leaving behind a seed Tails is left to take care of.Umm...?
>>574858873>>574858836best sthg artist
>>574858873I want to show her Jaws and make love~
>>574858873Shadow and Sally's descendant.
>>574858917Par for the course when it comes to Tails desu
Licking Saleta's stripe!
>>574858373Sonic X sounds weird. Also, isn't Lucas/Dark Oak kinda a retread of Pachacamac/Chaos?
>>574858917>Forces herself on her own dadI didn't watch X. Did this actually happen or are you being funny
>>574858445Cosmo already has a canonically huge butt (>>574858337), she's ripe for mating.
>>574859307She's made for multiple men while Tails watches.
rewatching the finale of sonic x in japanese to make sure anon is lying
>>574859220Cosmo's story kinda reminds me of Shadow.>Raised out in space.>Everyone gets killed leaving her as the sole survivor.>Dark Oak was basically her Black Doom.>Sacrifice their lives and die (but not really).
>>574859653This also describes Movie Sonic and longclaw
The dub was the one that accidentally implied Cosmo had a child with her dad. And when she died the seed that was left behind was her child. The Japanese version had Super Sonic and Super Shadow use Chaos Regeneration to revive her into a seed.
Ouge
I knew a woman once who wanted to have kids with his dadShadow the Hedgehog.
>>574860474cnc
>>574860546>I knew a woman>his dad
>>574860546Why Shadow
Better than Sonamy and actually works with Sonic writing
Amy is quirky chungus
>>574846069No he isn't. Sonic gets his ass beat all the time and his wins are thematically significant. Not self indulgent.
>>574846374You're literally just going surprised Pikachu face and sidestepping the points over and over here.>>574846374>No, he called him a faker the moment they metHe said "fake hedgehog/imposter" the first time "look alike/faker" the second time.>>574846374>Being in relation to something isn't being a replica of something. Shadow's entire design IS in relation to Sonic.You're pretending I said something I didnt to wearl out of your own statements.>>574846374>. I never ever said shit about Maria or his ARK backstory.I didnt say that you did, illiterate retard. I said you are IGNORING IT as if it isnt super significant to the character.This whole thing started with you using the notion that the black arms were random additions that had nothing to do with his character because the point if his character is the Sonic similarity.That was how this started.You obtuse shit
>>574852823No anon, Tails doesnt need a Plant daughter hanging around for no reason. The pot is fine enough as a token gesture.
Sonic X is better off not being canon at all
My OC agrees with my politics (how convenient!).
The canon sucks ass.The canon sucks massive cocks.
Sally sucks ShadowShadow fucks Sally
The shitty cereal mascot for little baby boys.
Sonic plaps Surge aggressively and she enjoys it
Movie Amy looks like trans woman
Quoteless posts, the signature of a coward!
Tony Hawk games understand how to write Sonic
>Sonamy is supposed to be the canon shipping>it sucksWhat were they thinkin?
Give me a (You) if you dare.
>>574863463
>>574863626Corporations always go with the least controversial option. LEAST controversial.
>>574863708>>574863463
>>574863708such a fucking manlet haha
>>574863708>>574864349GET THIS MAN OFF SHIRUBAAAA
>>574863692
Silvamy
Sonic characters for this feel?https://youtu.be/Z8n6CKn7y5A
SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG HAD SEX WITH SALLY ACORN THREE TIMES
he couldn't produce any offspring tho
I love Belle! :D
Penders is fucked upthank god he never got to write Silver
>>574867397Thanks Ken!
>>574867397>number of times having sex = number of babiesNot how that works, virgin-kun.Shadow and her had sex 3 times MINIMUM. They more than likely were just fucking on the regular.
>>574865551>that comicI wish I was young again
Which way egg man?
Silver's a soldierShame his commanders are Knuckles at best and Whisper at worst
>>574868275But Lanolin and the girl bosses said he's not
>>574865551This makes me scream internally, i should have done drugs or cut myself like other teens back then instead of drawing stuff similar to that
>>574868581You drew stuff similar to that?
>>574868580Idontcare about these FAGGOTS' self-inserts
>>574868750Silver’s face expression on the third panel and also the unnecessary “damn” gave me ptsd
>>574865551Old school is sometimes gold.
Friendskino
>>574868275Silver is a dog that takes commands
>>574869408He's more virgin than shadows's butt.
>>574869408Maria putting Shadow on a leash and fucking him...
So you need another charcter to tell Silver what to do and make him interesting?
cnc
>>574869914yes, and for there to be some sort of moral clash which I'm sure every darkagefag will be happy to see
>>574869914That's what Fiona is for.
>>574870191Chainsaw man
>>574870191Holy shit that ear assault
I don't know what you faggots keep talking about cnc, but here.
>ear humpingShe might as well have mouthed his cock
>>574870470>tfw I was actually trained to use all these
>>574862741Little unrelated but I call my Rotor cereal mascot for how sweet that term is for me.Cereal mascot flashes on my mind a lovable wide creature meant to land you a sense of protection and fuzziness, love and belonging. Goofy and fuzzy too, all warming your heart.
Nobody wants your opinion fat faggot
>>574871159why are you so fucking mean
Have a lovely morning.
>>574869914Any good character that is not Blaze because she's default uninteresting
>>574871462Nobody wants their character to be Silver's new tard wrangler, so you're stuck with the shitty kitty
>>574870884Do you actively use them?
>>574871094When are you dying of AIDS?
>>574871314Rape
>>574872234meant for >>574868740 >>574868494
>>574870660Wtf is you sayin?
Why is this guy trying to get Tailsfags to fight Rotorfag lately
>>574872075We only need the CNC lathe here, we already have the normal equivalent of everything else
>>574872417Tailsfags likes fictional Foxboy. Rotorfag is literally a gay, probably raped a child.
>>574872430That's cool. What do you build?
>>574872417What makes you they aren't Tailspedos themselves seething?
>>574872542>Tailsfags likes fictional Foxboy.>fictionalSomeone post IT. The *three* (3) posts collage.
>>574872616I am one of the Tailsfags myself and I can identify the others easily. I can tell someone's been trying to get us to fight with Rotorfag. What would we be even "seething" at? The guy just posts his Rotor pics and says he likes fat men or whatever. This doesn't affect me whatsoever
>>574872542insane projection tailsbro.
>>574871314Thanks Amy!!! You too!
The Odyssey but with Sonic characters
Being serious now though, I would say Creamfags would be the ones on probability to hurt or have hurt real life children. Some of them years ago were genuinely arguing AOC should be lower.
>>574872610Car parts
>>574873293An Amyfag actually did hurt children. Just because they reminded him of Amy.
>irrelevant off-topic babble[-]
>>574873293Back in the day, two Creampedos actively advocated abolishing it, insisting it wasnt real and kids only believed they were harmed because "people tell them that they are".We drove them off because yes this place has standards.
Sex with mobian children
>>574859251She breaks her mother's amulet to unleash her true form which she uses to merge with Final Mova (her transformed dad) and hold it in place for Tails to shoot Super Sonic/Shadow at it before it can destroy the galaxy.Though the seed is white to symbolize Cosmo's nickname "White Seed" and Cosmo's vision reacts warmly at the Chaos Regeneration attempt (which was for her) so it's implied to be her, plus the final Japanese creditd linger on the shot of the plant with her name, so it's strongly implied to be her...Wait a minute. Dark Oak's spirit talked to Sonic, how?
>>574864168More?
>>574874468She merging with her dad xounts as incestShe fucked her dad in front of TailsCucked again
>>574874775I take it back. She and Tails belong together.
>>574842282krack never had a problem with one eyelid or even two she just hates that fanartists do it all the time instead of rarely like in canon
ok krack now fuck off
ok krack now fuck me
>>574871314saank u eymes-chan \(^.^)\>>574871217I love thinking that's Tundra on frequency. Arching his stifling Parkinson arse on his wooden Renaissance chair, his bbq-dripping fingers uncurling the strings of his beard, hands hovering over keyboard in clenched fists but indexes, tapping one key at time, before grabbing his piss yellow silver mouse yet lost on where could be his pointer, slugging into the Submit button.Ever so maddened, nerve boiling boomer, spiraling over his successful, NEET privileged son.
>574875437nice projection barafag
>aaaah! My dad is inside me! Tails don't look>Tails cried while watching thisThis is what Sonic X fags want back btw
This guy >>574875510 rapes children btw
>>574873716why are amyfags like this?
Cosmo!She was mindscrewed to like the fox!But her body, it SCREAMS for her dad!Oooooowaaaaaauuuuuu...
>>574871314You, too.
>>574831520>Animal protection lawsLet me remind you that white people like you were among the first to subject animals to cruel experimentation for the sake of scientific and medical "progress," to genetically modify them for utility, and to use their fur to make products.It was your wars that drove people to starvation, forcing them to eat their own pets; it was your colonialism—and the biblical teachings that sanctioned it—that led you to plunder the world’s resources and drive hundreds of animal species to extinction.
let's have sex on the sonic sheets
fucking adaptationidon'tlikefags refuse to understand the characters
>>574875663pls source
I hear the roar of a big machine>Blows your black comet with eclipse cannonI hear your empire down
>>574876803are youmetalyumehttps://x.com/freeposers/status/2048583127639974034
https://litter.catbox.moe/xn3k0u.jpg
*waters the plants*
Maybe Metamyfags are the sanest of Metalfags
>>574877791no, just a fan of asses and strong backs, thank you though
I giggle a bit when I hear japanese Sonic speak in English
why does he do that tho
Cosmo the daddy fuckerTails the cuckold
>>574879583makes him more endearingalso i dont know how they allowed him to swear for the anime, i guess is not as bad for the audience of young japanese people if they don't truly understand what he is saying nor really matters if they repeat it in their lives since they don't talk to other english speakers
>>574880092Speak english? probably because how heavily american inspirated sonic was, especially when he went modern. His shoes are because of Michael Jackson, his personality is supposed to be based on some current american president at the time, forgot which one. I am sure there's more stuff like that, like I am sure he likes chilidogs because it is a hotdog and that's like having a character like burgers because he is american lol
>>574881326Japanese, as a language, doesn't really have a concept of swear words, so I don't think they look at English swear words the same way an English speaker does.>>574881539>some current american president at the time, forgot which oneBill Clinton
>>574881326It's not like saying "shit" is going to murder a baby
>>574881326Japan just isnt and wasnt as autistic about curses on their kids media in general.Digimon had 12 year olds saying "damn," "shit" and "bastard" in japanese just fine.
TLDR
>>574880092>>574881539No, it's that Its a trope in anime for brash cool guy characters to use gratuitous Engrish. It shows how they are cocky because Americans in general are seen as cocky.Im shocked none of you know this. I was told anime is even more popular with kids these days than back in the day.I guess none of you read subs.
I like sonally
How about Sonisper
Do you guys think that Nintendo does a better job of female representation with the Mario series? Everyone knows who Princess Peach is but not even half of those people would know Amy Rose.
>>574882460You like Sally, not Sonally.
>>574865551> Younger me seeing this meme> Haha that means Blaze likes Silver> Plays the games> Blaze likes Sonic
>>574882579Amy is just a case of having the deck stacked against her in a series of unfortunate events.That said, Amy is still a super recognizable character. A lot of pop culture and media tropes crib from her or evoke her in people's minds when they think of comparisons.
>>574882331It's really just because English is considered cool and exotic to a Japanese audience. The reason you hear English peppered into so many songs is because the first person to do it was doing it because she wanted to integrate some of her overseas experience into her music and then everyone just started copying it because it was cool. Now it leaks into everyday Japanese conversation where people will use English words that the language has its own native words for.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW4AiEqKGto
>>574882686you've seen too much
>>574882579Define "representation." Because I don't think their characters do a good job of representing a variety of feminine interests, attitudes, and abilities compared to other companies, no. If you just mean being recognizable, then yeah, it's Nintendo.
>>574882591You like Amy, not Sonamy.
>>574883143NTA, but correct.
>>574883998i remember when this mod got popular, probably because it was of the first ones made after the recompilation thing happenedis this true though? like i am not shocked but is kinda funny that the mod will always be forever tainted now
>>574883998The way this has played out has been so funny.
>>574883998every fucking time
>>574883998Nice fandom, sonicbabs
>>574884801you don't like nigger tranny faggot groomer? but they made tranny sonails fanchild mod...
>>574882686She didn't miss the target at all lol
i think sonics pretty cool honestly
>>574884801Don't look at Sonic fans. This falls squarely on the troons, as it always does.
BIG GUYBIG GUYBIG BIG GUYSONIC BIG GUY FAST OKBIG GUYBIG GUYBIG BIG GUYSONIC BIG GUY FAST OK
>>574885457Tails and Shadow pulls in ton of trannies thoughiever, Sonicbab.
>>574884801Nice lawsuit, Pretendo.
>>574886637I want to fuck the legally different Ankha and the Chuddette panda
>>574884801Look up what happened to the creator of The Music Box game, mariobab.TLDR: she set a house on fire and killed someone or some shit like that. I think that's way worse.
>>574886787Me with bottom left
>>574886774I want to fuck (You)
>>574886879Incredibox?
>>574886637Pokémon Company isn't Nintendo.
>>574884801why are you an asshole marioall you do is sneer at us =(
>>574883998I genuinely wonder how well this would work.>>574887346Correct. Nintendo is the one filing (and failing) all of the lawsuits.
>>574887568Don't be a faggot and show the author of the tweet too, Krack.
https://litter.catbox.moe/ifefwg.png
>>574887240No? The game is called "The music box", if you put mario on it you will probably find it. One of the funniest thing I remember is how mario is possessed by an anime girl ghost and you see him wear a dress because of it? its dumb.But anyway, probably if you actually add "accident" after all of that, you would probably get a summary of what happened. I believe the girl is still in prison. Really wild shit.
>>574882686>>574883068there's not any proof she likes either of them. nishiyama deconfirmed the blaze crush thing and there's no actual statement on either side for silver.i think sonic team does ship her with silver but it won't really ever be brought up explicitly or be relevant to anything.
I like Bark. :)
Nugget
>>574887954y
>>574887568Hi Jeremy.
>>574876316Good that we got Hitler to fix such injustices. You're welcome.
>>574888170Look, I didn't post his name because I didn't want jannies on my ass, but you do you.
Stop talking on third person you /pol/nigger.
>>574887758(me)actually i am stupid, why did people even think rush was romantic?sure they move towards each other but its a handshake? this isn't to disparage the ship argue that silvaze is better or more canon, i am just curious what people got out of rush symbolically even if it's not necessarily intended, i am trying to understand baka like how i did reearch sonadow psychology.
sonic is like the wind
Windinc the Windhog
>>574888338Look, I don't like xitter screencaps off literal whos that disrupt any further discussions here into off-topic banned shit, but you do you.
Wind wind wind the wind always wins
nothing starts until you take action! if you have time to worry, then run!
Evens I fap to WhisperOdds I fap to Tangle
>>574882331Is making Sonic speak more slangy (like most 90's media did) a good English localization of Japanese Sonic using random English words/phrases?I posit that this can partly alternately be read as Sonic simply being a renown world-traveler, and he simply picks up on other languages he heard during his travels. Unfortunately, while this in itself as cool in Japanese culture, it comes across as geeky in American culture. (Ironically, Movie Robotnik does the "phrases in another language" thing, but he's obviously pompous and unchill. See what I mean?)Of course, that's just my conjecture - I'm sure SoJ writers or Iizuka can clarify easily.
>>574888338>yeah well i might shitting the general with surging off-site drama and forcing you to listen to literal whos engaging baiting niggers BUT ATLEAST I DIDNT SHOW HIS NAME :(Listen to yourself for just three seconds.
I bought new headphones and the bass its soo good it actually unclogs the wax in my ear ducts
>>574889367With WIND
>>574889182enjoy your brown wolf boobies
Cosmo's chest is specifically shown growing bigger during her transformation lol
Grab your dick NOW
I could use some good Tailsposting now...
>>574889883Take a shower
>>574889927i gotchu
>grows breasts>turns into a tree>sinks roots all over her father>produces seed
>>574889883ok now what
>>574889863The transformation is definitely just puberty btw. That's how Eggman describes it
>>574890102>impregnated right in front her boyfriendLmao
>>574889927Hi sweetie <3All this plant talk is making me hungry. Want me to start dinner?
>>574889927Great idea!
>>574889927Ok but only memetails this time.
>>574882864>the first person to do it was doing it because she wanted to integrate some of her overseas experience into her musicWho is she?
Pretty boy!
schizo'ing
>>574890309Zooey is nice too>>574890314Awesome!>>574890336I don't have any, sorry
That anon from earlier was right. The dub accidentally added the implication that Cosmo and Dark Oak were fucking by adding in a whole "She can continue the clan using this power" thing. The japanese version says no such thing but the dub repeatedly insists that she is reproducing
^-^
>>574890682
>>574890595>I don't have any, sorryBecause you don't see the potential of looney toonails.
Big if Iranian
>>574890868I doWell this is more Fleischer than Looney Tunes but still >>574890861He's so precious...
>>574889276>Is making Sonic speak more slangy (like most 90's media did) a good English localization of Japanese Sonic using random English words/phrases?Not the person you're replying to but I dealt with a similar thing called "Kyaragobi" (basically Verbal tics at the end of a sentece) that are never translated literally in english versions.You'll see Cat characters often add "nya" at the end for example. in English, these are turned into puns like purrfect.So to answer your question, it was probably a simple way to make it not sound awkward in english. Also different cultures view using foreign words in your senteces differently.
>>574890868
fap to my OC NOW
>>574891394Is it a femboy
anons, what do you like about sonknux?
>>574891069IndeedSorry about the other day>>574891107Those endings are cute. I didn't know the word for them
>>574891142Fiona is also a memefox.
PINGAS
>>574891394ABT...
>>574891665it's fine c:
>>574891394Fuck off woefag
>>574891936It was a conversation, but the way I started it was annoying
PINGAS.
>>574892116And I ended up banned lolBut whatever let's forget all that
Tails & Friends!
>>574891394Post your OC and I might consider it
chaos regeneration is a lame copout t b h
PINNGERS
>>574892228Ohh... I saw some images were deleted but thought it was the end of it
que le vamos a servir l doctor rompehuevos?
PING
Orange boy
4000 PINGAS
>>574892702Epic!I guess that settles it, modern Tails is orangey. Though honestly I think people care too much
a single pinga...
>>574892742>not OVER 9000!ONE JOBNEJOB
>>574891634Artist/source?
Tails and his genderswap counterpart....?
quarter a pinga
>>574891107You're referring to quirky character mannerisms that tend to replace "~desu" and its variants, right? That's already tough in literal translation to begin with - you sort of have to vibe with "is this character being polite or informal" and go from there. When it's something made-up that makes the character's "voice" easier to identify, it's a nightmare if other translators aren't on board with the same way to convey the speech. I've run into a few and thought, "oh, this might be from some obscure dialect, needs further research." Then half the time I find out it's something like Squidgirl using squid-derived puns, and you see how a good localization works with it.
>>574892897Sonic Adventure says orange, Sonic Adventure 2 says fox brown. Those are the only two instances I can think of where Tails is said to be a specific color
>pinga signal triangulated>precise pinga location pin pointed>executing pinga eradication program at set coordinates
>>574892362
>>574893136Modern Tails haters are LARPERS
>>574892990the original was drawn by soina, while the coloring was done by midnightmuser
OOC but still nice>>574893098Cute
64 pingas32 pingas16 pingas8 pingas4 PINGAS2 PINGAS1 PINGAHALF PINGAQUARTER PINGA*COMIC PINGAS*
>>574890421Sorry, I misspoke a bit. It was Yumi Matsutoya, but she didn't live overseas (I was confusing her with someone else) but near an air base in Tokyo and was fluent in English.
>>574893319You cant fool me!Furdy hates 4chan!
>>574888680The same people who think knuckles and rouge's interactions during sa2 are explicitly romantic are the same people who shill silvaze. It's "standing next to each other" syndrome. It's why sonic can't interact with shadow without shippers creaming themselves.
>>574893342Thz
>>574892330Tails!Amy!Knuckles!Sonic's shitty friends!
>>574888680Basic subtext literacy test.Replace Blaze with Shadow in her scenes with Sonic, if it looks very gay, it's because the intended subtext was crafted to look romantic.
>>574893408Very oocBut I mean it's the baby spin off thing so whatever
>>574893330:)>>574893596They're all great friends
>>574893136His Sonic & Sega All-Stars profile also calls him orange. (He might be a shade closer to orange most of the time but it's more accurate to call him yellow-orange - the wiki has a good fanon descriptor for once as "amber" which I don't think has ever been used officially but fits most consistently I feel.
>>574893634>romantic subtext literacy testIronically you failed and he passed
>>574893121Yep, Jack Frost from SMT is another example.
>>574893408>needs a gadget to try to match Sonic in speedGuess that's settles it on whether Tails is actually as fast as Sonic or not.
>>574893342Is it on Twitter?
Orange-ish boy!
I want to molest Kit
NIGGER BOY
>>574893665Japanese kids love it, they'll grow up, get hired into Sonic Team, and make it the main series>>574893734Yeah that makes sense, I agree>>574893781It doesn't, in the games he is shown to be able to keep up naturally. That comic is just OOC
>>574893781Tails is comparable to Sonic in speed thought not AS fast
any good sonic tiktokers to goon to?
>>574893559Cool>>574891107>I dealt with a similar thingIn what context? Are you a translator?
>>574893807nah, yanked it off IB but it should be on r34
>>574894050Tails is actually ahead in that animation. Tails i faster than Sonic lol
RAM RANCH
>>574893576i'm not talking about silvaze though, i am talking about sonaze. i don't want to give my opinion on silvaze because its existence/nonexistence is irrevelant to why i think rush doesn't look romantic.>>574893634>>574893634unironically i think shadow and sonic have more actual shipbait than sonic and blaze, i am not even a fujo or think it's intended. but i can see someone interpreting prime or some other shit more shipfuel than rush ending.
>>574893596Jim Sterling...
SONIC'S WIFE
>>574894359lol
>>574893576The difference is that there's no romantic subtext with knuckles and rouge, the scene is supposed to be about knuckles becoming heroic and rouge learning to be good. The sonaze scene is very desperate, like she didn't to go, and if you know anything about "tanabata" it seems obvious what they were going for.
Mint candy
>>574894441My sweaty wife
>>574894405>silvazeSorry I mispoke, I meant sonaze, though I guess it could apply to silvaze too. The reality is practically no character dynamics are written as intentionally romantic. Sonamy, shadouge and silvaze are the only ones who even halfway qualify and can't be handwaved as "talking to each other"
>>574894590This is so coolI wonder why don't companies use more stop motion animations to advertise their toys
>>574894050By that logic, everyone is because of that one clip in Shadow it's intro.
>>574894304Can't seem to find either. Are they old?
>>574894223>In what context?Just some research on a demon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfbCZLTxsy0
>>574893576Dougefag....knuckles and Rouge was very clearly sexual tension.
>>574894916yeah, it's from 2019
its crazy shadougefag will literally try and claim knuxouge just doesn't exist outside of sonic x
>>574894469>The difference is that there's no romantic subtext with knuckles and rouge, the scene is supposed to be about knuckles becoming heroic and rouge learning to be good.Not a single wors here is even remotely true. Holy shit.
>>574894876No because Sonic is running faster in the Colors intro. And being comparable to Sonic in speed is embedded into Tails' character
>>574894762(:
>>574895157 (me)also forgot to mention this but the image is actually rotated and sonic is getting pressed
>>574894649admittely for sonaze ian flynn did write some shipbait of them since he couldn't let sally go but the ''rush ending is romantic and blaze ikes sonic'' thing existed as a meme before idw shipbait + to be honest i dont care about what westerners do unless its baka that reaches normies.knuxouge existed in sonic x, which to be fair had big normie reach and involvement from sonic team.hmm, for silvaze i think there's no actual proof either of them like each other romantically, but the way sonic team insists on them having a connection while refusing to elaborate on the myth/reason for it and despite the negative reception of 06 makes me think there's insiders that ship it.
>>574893781If you notice, the board shows his RUNNING speed; Tails always (well except for the Sonic 2 8-bit boxart) has to use his tails to glide along the ground to match Sonic's speed.
>>574895202>No because Sonic is running faster in the Colors intro.It was a cutscene made with higher graphical fidelity and assets.You can argue Knuckles is as fast as Tails in Heroes with your logic.>And being comparable to Sonic in speed is embedded into Tails' characterWhen they met sure, but it isnt ans hasn't been a meaningful aspect of his character to the exclusion of anyone else since.Tails and C!Tails aren't zooming around white space in gens restoring the levels. But Classic Sonic is.
>>574895248<3
>>574894876It's not just that animation, Tails is constantly said and shown to be able to keep up with Sonic. There are only two exceptions in the games, but they're both dub changesThere's also a third example, but only if you take it out of context>>574895431Yeah I thought that too, but it doesn't make sense, he can already do that naturally
>>574894625Yes Sonic
/sthg/ Foxapocalypse (2025-present)
>>574894405>>574893634if theres a subtext or something that unintentionally looks like it you guys will have to explain to me like i am a dumb child.
>>574864284>>574883998>pedophile>groomerWhat's the difference? I thought "groomer" became a popular word because youtubers weren't allowed to say pedo.
>>574895431It looks like he is shitting yellow light out of an ass tuba
>>574895017>DougefagSorry you're mindbroken, but wrong person. Anyways no, it's very clearly not sexual tension. The game focuses as a whole more on her relationship and bond with shadow, whereas her only dynamic with knuckles is bitter and adversarial. Anyways, I'll bet you'll swear up and down sa2 shipped knuckles and rouge but claim every time shadow saved rouge throughout the series (hint: way more times than knuckles, for basically no personal gain) is just him being a friendly coworker.
>>574895558>constantlyLies>>574895714>Sorry you're mindbroken, but wrong personYou arent fooling anyone.
>>574895558>he can already do that naturallyleg-training?
>>574895167Tbf, knuxouge doesn't exist outside sonic x. Sega unfortunately says as much in the 06 documents
Douge.
>>574895469>Tails and C!Tails aren't zooming around white space in gens restoring the levels.They are though. At least modern Tails is. He follows Sonic in Chemical Plant, and throughout his adventure. Which was something also implied in Colors. It's just that the Sonics are the only playable characters >When they met sure, but it isnt ans hasn't been a meaningful aspect of his character to the exclusion of anyone else since.That's not true lol. Sonic and Tails are consistently said to be the best duo and a key part of that is Tails being able to keep up with Sonic really well
>>574895861Cute N Canon!
Pedos won
>>574895942>They are though. At least modern Tails is. He follows Sonic in Chemical Plant, and throughout his adventure. Which was something also implied in Colors. It's just that the Sonics are the only playable charactersNice headcanon fanfiction.
To Sonic, Tails is like a cute little brother figure who looks up to him, and also a dependable partner. He spins his two tails like propellers to accelerate, and can even fly through the air…! He’s a trustworthy presence who somehow keeps up with Sonic’s speed and even rescues him from danger with his flying ability.Plus, Tails’s mechanical skills and sharp mind support Sonic in countless ways.Sonic places immense trust in Tails, who expands his horizons and sometimes even lights the way forward.But the greatest strength of this duo is surely their “bond of the heart.”Sonic is certain that with Tails, and Tails is certain that with Sonic, they can overcome any crisis.They understand what the other needs without needing to say a word. Perhaps something beyond mere trust exists between them.These two will surely continue dashing through countless adventures together. As the fastest and greatest duo…!
>>574895363Ok, found the original bw one but midnightuser seems to have either changed their name, deleted the edit or their entire account
Sonurge werks
>bong police raided someone's house to retrieve sega branded shit
>You encountered Two-Tailed Fox Mechanic!>What will you do?
I'll hug him
>>574896459Underneath the bin is a burned and mutilated tom kalinske who has been enslaved by dark wizard iizuka
>>574896330Kit is gonna have a brother!
>>574895601As far as I can tell the usage of "grooming" in this context is much more specific and means befriending or courting but with an exclusively negative connotation. Not saying that there aren't bad people out there gaining the trust of vulnerable people to exploit them, but I also speak another language where I haven't been able to find a perfectly equivalent term, and it seems silly to me to consider them two completely different concepts like English speakers do, when the goal and underlying motives are what makes the difference.
>>574896735I wonder if he would take care of her children
>>574895942When I first saw the trailers for Generations with all two/four of them together in various locations I thought the game would have more story and there would be a reason why they were in those areas
>>574896917Why is Surge a nigger?
>>574895167>>574895857>>574895017>>574895583 reading this stuff all back to back makes me think the discussions around romance subtext or themes in sonic suck partly because we're discussing it as what people want to see or ship instead of what objectively exists in the narrative or part of character motivations.
>>574896975Yeah the story in Generations is basically non existent. Which sucks.
>>574896229>the fastest and greatest duoTailshaters btfo'd again(the usual)
>>574897050mom's strongest thrower cares not for subtext
>>574897317It's funny, Tails is consistently the character Sonic spends most of his time with and goes on most adventures with. MAYBE that's because Sonic PREFERS going on adventures with Tails? No, it can't be!
>>574895714>every time shadow saved rouge throughout the series (hint: way more times than knuckles, for basically no personal gain) is just him being a friendly coworker.Yes.Meanwhile>Yeah Rouge, she sexy and smooth.> A doublecross spy-thief thats out for my jewel, uh.>Im feeling her in mysterious ways.The panting before Knuckles savers her and she gives him that look before running off.But sure, there was nothing in SA2.Her flirt taunting him at the end of Heroes? Also didnt happen.Sonic Rivals Sonic calling them out? Didnt happen.All just XBut Shadow caught her when she was falling for no reason to show how he is heroic. Totally fucking
>>574896917>reverse image search shows nothingAnon...
>>574895583>>574897019I don't say these scenes are about saving the other, it's more than that.I think there is a palpable difference between characters saving the other and the kind of atmosphere that suggests some sort of strong mutual infatuation and attraction, the later needs to be crafted for that effect.There is tension that goes both ways, camera closes in on the two, physical gesture, strong, sustained eye contact, characters slowly approaching the other, as if they are basically holding back going for a kiss, the kind of gesture that goes past the minimum needed for pure plot exposition.I am not talking about pure functional "save the other" kind of atmosphere, but more like... Strong attraction short circuiting the characters inner acting, so they linger a lot more than needed on each other.Basically every single scene in fiction where the characters stare at the other tricking you into thinking they are going for a kiss, but they don't kiss, uses that kind of buildup of romantic tension.
Canon
Pedonic is canon?
>>574894962I see, nice
>>574897475not picking a shipping side here but how important is rivals? it didn't release in japan and it's not in sega's timeline in sonic channel. i appreciate it for giving us more silver content that's not kart racing slop or westslop besides 06 but it seems to be not much of a priority.
Cute boys...
>>574897461>>574897752Yep
Sonic characters for this feel?https://youtu.be/HxUuDPNbkJk
>>574897943>didn't release in japanWho cares? Iizuka made it. Whether or not it is on the official timeline is besides the point.What is being argued is that Knuckles and Rouge never had anything going on between them outside of X and that is obiectively not true.
>>574897475>Yeah Rouge, she sexy and smooth.> A doublecross spy-thief thats out for my jewel, uh.>Im feeling her in mysterious ways.The ost is non-diegetic you absolute retard>The panting before Knuckles savers her and she gives him that look before running off.Completely ignore the fact that they wrre fighting to the death or the quick smile could have been for any number of reasons, such as perhaps being saved (as forced as it is considering she can fly)>Her flirt taunting him at the end of Heroes? Also didnt happen.It didn't happen because that wasn't flirt taunting. It was a tom and jerry bit.>Sonic Rivals Sonic calling them out?Yeah sonic trying to piss knuckles off, that's extremely strong evidence. How about the ending where she steals his fucking emerald? How romantic.>But Shadow caught her when she was falling for no reason to show how he is heroic.Aaaand there it isIf knuxouge actually existed you wouldn't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel so hard. It'd be easy and effortless to argue, but because it's a glorified crackship you have to scream and throw tantrums to get everyone to pay even the slightest attention to nothingburger moments. Let me ask you, even if everything you said was somehow 100% true and factual, would it really make any difference? The ship is at the bottom of the ocean, it doesn't matter how tall it's mast was or how hard you blow on it's sails. Give it a rest.
Kit & Friends!
>>574895714>is just him being a friendly coworker.Yes
<3
>>574897082Story would just be Classic Sonic and Classic Tails cringing at their ugly lanky Modern self and thinking "Oh God, i'm I gonna turn into this garbage? Fuck no!" and then try to change their fate so that the Modern versions would never existNo wait, that would be a great story about Sega finally realizing their mistake from 13 years ago and deleting Modernshit forever so the real Sonic is finally back for good
>>574898526No that's a terrible idea
>>574897475>b-b-but sexy and smooth!
What's nin anyways
>>574898317>>574897475 actually i don't see why she can't have a thing for both of them, it fits her character as a dark reflection.heck even blaze being into both sonic and silver is possible if you buy the ''silver is literally future sonic/reincanrated sonic'' thing but i don't think actual text or statements support sonaze for blaze besides vague subjective subtext.
>>574899002>actually i don't see why she can't have a thing for both of them, it fits her character as a dark reflection.She totally can, but she doesn't unless you really insist upon a particular children's cartoon.
>>574895601Nine Inch Nails
>>574898975I think it's Nine Inch Nails
>>574898317>The ost is non-diegetic you absolute retardThe lyrics in the songs in SA2 are based on the situation and tell the story of Knuckles campaign you blithering imbecile.>Completely ignore the fact that they wrre fighting to the deathTrying way too hard to make it sound bad somehow.They were fighting over shiny rock shards.When she is actually about to fall to her death, Knuckles saves her and the game has them stare into eachothers eyes intensely before Rouge pulls her hand away and calls him a pervert to save face.You're delusional for trying to spin this as not intended to be taken as romantic/secual subtext. There is literally no other way to interpret this, especially given the lyrics in the songs, which have no other reason to exist other than to inform the player.>It didn't happen because that wasn't flirt taunting. It was a tom and jerry bit.Except their attitude towards eachother in the scene is playful, not antagonistic.>Yeah sonic trying to piss knuckles off, that's extremely strong evidence. How about the ending where she steals his fucking emerald? How romantic.Holy copium. By this point, the games have already established this as part of their dynamic so it's to be expected Sonic is playing on it.At no point have you provided any real rebuttal to any of the points made>If knuxouge actually existed you wouldn't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel so hardYou're not a serious person. How is this "scraping the bottom of thr barrel"?This is literally all their interactions in the games.You're the one going "she catches her when she is falling so they are banging".YOU'RE the one going "nuh-uh there's nothing there even though it is blatantly a love hate relationship rivalry dynamic you see in tons of media.You're the one going against statements by THE GUY WHO MADE THE CHARACTERS in regards to them being coworkers.Have your prefered ship. Idgaf. But stop trying to gaslight people into believing Knuxouge was never a thing
>>574898975Of course the tailsfag would ask this question
>>574898975>>574899139
>>574899162>>574899307Oooooh>>574899292?
>>574899002>actually i don't see why she can't have a thing for both of them, it fits her character as a dark reflection.Im not even saying she can't. Dougeshitter here is trying to erase reality just because Knuxouge is more populatar than their petship.
>>574898706>Deleting the cringy garbage and baggage that almost brought series to it's grave is a terrible ideaModernfags everyone
>>574893102electiontourist...
Why hasn't IDW acknowledged Prime yet
>>574897726TLDR
Zzzzzzzz....
>rotorfag posts>"AIDSAIDSAIDSAIDSAIDSAIDSAIDS">two or three tailspedos spam>silenceHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
>>574899667I think Tailsbro left so it's just me
>Tails""""""""""""""""""""""""bro""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>>574899265It sounds like you didn't understand a lot of what I wrote, like what "diegetic" means for example. Anyways, I'm not gonna punish myself by trying to respond to your piss-poor attempt at articulating a rebuttal line-by-line, although I will say you didn't provide any additional reasoning and kind of just doubled down. Anyways, like I said, even in your best-case scenario, knuxouge still died in the cradle and nearly all of it's material is from Sonic X, which "fans" project onto the games to this day. It has practically nothing going for it and rouge has been shown to have more sexual tension with sonic, tails, or even fucking espio than she ever did with knuckles. The fact that you're so adamant that a 25 year-old game is the peak of your ship's voyage is quite telling of how sunken it is.
>>574899832Only briefly, I'm back now
>>574899427>Knuxouge is more populatarLol, newer fans don't even know rouge was ever associated with knuckles, and they make up the bulk of the fandom.
Sooner or later you guys will have to deal with the fact that Sonic Prime is literally the most popular Sonic show ever made and is the childhood of millions of children who will grow up and argue with you about Sonic
>>574899997Epic!
>>574899461The games were successful and the reason Sonic is still around>>574900320I think there already are kids who prefer Chaos Sonic to Metal Sonic lol
>>574896308did you forget the M right before user? that wasn't a typo that's how his name is spelt
>>574899582Subtextual framing is a deliberate choice by direction, animators and writers, it's never acidental, characters don't ever say "I am attracted to you", they act it out nonverbally.The framing closes in on the characters as a pair separated from the world and shift focus from plot to their microexpressions, eye contact, body proximity and hesitation, the pacing slows down and their inner feelings short out their normal acting because they are holding back acting out their attraction.
>>574900350Cutecutecute
>>574900449Japanese fans also like Chaos Sonic lolThough Japanese fans seem to like anything Sonic related. Probably because there's fewer of them, so the existing ones are superfans?
Sonic's character is actually consistent between the movies, Prime, and IDW. The games are what sticks out
>>574899981>like what "diegetic" means for exampleIts a lame attempt at hardwave and little else. It's in the game because that is the intention of the devs for us to view their dynamic in these parameters.It isnt arbitrary. SA2's lyrics are like this in general. SA2 is a very "written around the story scenario" game.Forces is also like this.>>574899981>Anyways, like I said, even in your best-case scenario, knuxouge still died in the cradleOh, so now we are pivoting from "never existed to " it's dead now teehee".Now switch up. Its also just false.Its been in guidebooks, bios and referenced by social media as late as 2020.Even DreamTeam plays with it.You have it completely backwards. People didnt project shit from X onto the games. X did it because it was in the games.You wanna know what people projecting onto the games though? Team Dark shit from Archie.
Shadow loves Maria
>>574900207its still kinda popular with newer fans imo but i will be honest a lot of it is opening up space for sonadow and shadamy, really casuals think shadow can beat sonic at his niche but amy is still top dog when it comes to female characters, thats part of why shadamy is more popular than anything not sonamy or sonadow.also 2010s is such slop that people till remember 00s media. sonic x, sa1,sa2,satbk and 06 probably had the most cultural impact out of anything onic besides movies to the fanbase.
>>574899427>erase realityIt's easy to say knuxouge was only a thing in sonic x because it's literally true and the 06 documents confirm this if you don't wanna take my word for it.
Team Dark are not friends
>>574900207>newer fans don't even know rouge was ever associated with knucklesLegit go google it yourself. Its still the most well known and popular ship for both characters.SA2 is just that powerful.
>>574900535Lots of fancy words i dint even know right thereI aint reading that shit NERD
>>574900449The reason Sonic is still around is because of the movies and his appealing character design. If Sonic was nothing but the games, he would be dead by now
>>574900693>shadamy is more popular than anything not sonamy or sonadow.Source? Last I checked Sonadow, Sonamy, Shadouge and Silvaze have been the most popular for a few years now.
>>574900535I don't see hoe any of that in the context of Rush is romantic at all. You'd have to look at the scene without actually playing the game in isolation specifically because shippers told you to to read it that way.
>>574900627Maybe. But I thought about it too and I think the western Sonic fanbase has built this culture around fighting for which specific aspects of the series should be the only ones that are allowed to exist rather than just enjoying what they like and respecting others. Idk though>>574900886The games were successful and the games are still around. The movies are recent.
>>574900767>It's easy to say knuxouge was only a thing in sonic x because it's literally true It literally isn't.>and the 06 documents confirm this if you don't wanna take my word for it.06 was supposed to be a reboot of the franchise. Every actually released official guide lists Knuckles as her love interest and states she has a thing for Knuckles. All of them.
>>574900958/thread
>>574900937fanart, fanfic sites + youtube slop. i think its more about amy being more popular than other female charas than it is actually about evidence though.
>>574901187>06 was supposed to be a reboot of the franchise.This is false. It was just a new game following a formula inspired by the Adventure games while taking inspiration from the earliest drafts of the series
>>574901187>Every actually released official guide lists Knuckles as her love interest and states she has a thing for Knuckles. All of them.What "official guides" have you been reading? The only actual guide is Ian Flynn's book. You're probably referring to third-party media that's all over the place with it's character descriptions.
>>574901187what is the actual proof that 06 is supposed to be a reboot? nothing besides the art style change actually contradicts continuity of previous games.
>>574901357>This is false.No it isn't.It was. What that means in practice is jist different than what people think it means.>>574901390>The only actual guide is Ian Flynn's book.You're not a real person.>>574901447Statements from the actual developers.
Boyboyboy>>574901447Art style changes aren't narrative contradictions either, it's just a different look
>>574901357It was a soft reboot. It was intentionally designed to fit within the existing contuity but also not acknowledge it in any meaningful way. That's also why the game is just called "Sonic the Hedgehog" and is so tonally and stylistically different from previous games.
Girlgirlgirl!
>>574901357I didn't know a Venice based kingdom that worships a sun god and a princess with a cursed flame inside her that turns into a fire demon that turns the future into darkness and ruins was based on the earliest draft of the Sonic series
>>574901720It's weird how this is true but the game is also thematically a sequel to Shadow the Hedgehog and even carries over a song from it
>>574901606what statements? it could be mistranslated, cropped or taken out of context, this stuff happens a lot.
>>574901606I'm serious. Ian Flynn's encyclospeedia is legitimately the only official franchise encyclopedia. I get the Ian hate but it's true.
>>574901887That encyclopedia is full of errors and inaccuracies and Sonic Team did nothing to fix them
>>574901720The game is called "Sonic the Hedgehog" because the base idea for the game was to look back at the original concepts for the series and use it to make a new game with a story similar to SA2. This was said by Nakamura multiple times. It has nothing to do with it being a reboot>>574901818It's not weird because it isn't true in the first place. It's a made up lie to invalidate the game and separate it from the rest of the series
>>574901809human gf is technically in the earliest drafts, there's also a npc named renzo that makes a reference to dead sonic pilot from technical files. the theming of sun is a stretch but sonic was compared to sun in classic days with his belly said to look like sun.
>>574901809Sega, in another attempt to capture the Japanese market tried to dip their hand into JRPG aesthetics and legit tried to emulate final fantasy. Of course it failed spectacularly.
06 aka the game infamous for spawning one of the worst characters ever... which is Silver, pic unrelated btw.
>JRPgThey literally just copied the aesthetic of the most recent final fantasy 1:1
>>574901887Even so, take any and all noncorroborrative info with a grain of salt.
Sonic goes to India
>>574902138HOLY TRVE NVKE
Elise should have been a cute girl, not a weird adult.
>>574901809Elise's story is clearly based on the earliest draft of the series, and combined with the idea of giving Sonic a girlfriend. Eggman trying to use the power of ancient gods has also been in the series since the very first game, although the way Sonic 2006 explores the topic is much more serious and dramatic, since it's based more on SA2's dark story than anything else, which was the other part of the game's pitch as I literally mentioned in my prior post to begin with
>>574902214>since 2024Holy obsession!
The Xbox 360 era was kinda shit desu
Elise is a good character because she loves Sonic
>>574902401shes 17 i think, the karasuno art makes her look younger but it made her look 10
>>574902726I only experienced it recently and it's great actually
>>574902726The Xbox series itself is shithas no memorable or iconic IPs besides Halo
>>574902401>>574902814it's the art style that the humans had in 06 being weird
Shadow loves MariaShadow kissed MariaMaria danced with Shadow Maria and Shadow slept in the same bed
>>574902882and somehow that's still more than gaystation
>>574902401>>574902961I like the way se looks in prerendered cutscenes. Still prefer Karasuno's art though
>>574901887No anon, the wiki cabal doesn't get to decide that.Whatsmore is it isnt relevant. Anon claimed/talked about it never having been a thing. You cant erase history. Its not how that works.
>>574902628This is a well known problem with Wikipedia. Sadly, most fan wikis don't do their job right and we have to circulate the receipts because ours locked down page history browsing.
>>574903195it's cute but karasuno has too much sameface and samebody syndrome. like, elise shouldn't look the same age as maria
>>574902064>It's not weird because it isn't true in the first place. It's a made up lie to invalidate the game and separate it from the rest of the seriesHow would it being a reboot do any such thing?
>>574903293Didn't ask, take meds.
>>574902064>>574903403it's clear it isn't treated like a reboot with how much the rest of the series refers to it and carries elements from it despite the negative reception making them drop some of the incomplete plots like silver or blaze's stuff. its almost as relevant as sa2 to the series at this point.
How do we feel about this game using what was originally Sonic Adventure 3's story?
>>574900958The context of Rush doesn't needs to be romantic at all, it plain simply isn't romantic.Romantic subtextual framing works 99% of times under platonic contexts, that's why it's subtext, if it was romantic context, the characters would simply say "we are a couple" or "I am attracted to you" removing all the inner conflict that justifies characters acting all hesitant and infatuated over holding back feelings, they wouldn't be hiding anything from themselves or each other or the audience and would be simply acting out a romantic relationship with no tension or inner conflict about it.Platonic context is literally requisite for subtext to be present to begin with.Not ALL friendships read with romantic subtext, but when it's there it's deliberately crafted to look that way.
>Whisper traumatized by shadow androids>has never once interacted with Shadow
>>57490208506 does nothing with Sonic being associated with the Sun, that would actually somewhat justify the games Sun motif but other than that the whole sun thing in 06 is so weird and random otherwise
Without sonic X knuxouge would hardly exist today
>>574904072It's a good thing they snapped off that trauma branch almost immediately
>>574903293Yeah basically someone makes something up, someone uses the wiki ingo, then the article gets called into question, and then someone cites the thing that used the wiki to begin with.Its a huge issue
>>574903851What exactly was Sonic Adventure 3's original story?
>>574903293>locked down page history browsingIt's because bots keep scraping them to train AI and it breaks the sites. I think you can still view them by making an account.
>>574903347>elise shouldn't look the same age as mariaNYA but I dont agree that she does. She definitely looks older. I dont agree that they have same face either.Eyes and face shape are different.
>>574903851I wish Sonic had not been the only playable character
>>574903738SA1 was a reboot ans yet the series treats it the same way as well. I dont see your point. You're using post hoc to try and dismiss an attitude they had at the time of the game's release.Looking at how the series is starting with Unleashed, the series definitely went through a reboot.
>>574903914You avoided addressing my point.Did you read it that way because you played thr game and it gave you that impression, or did you look up the scene in thr context specifically of ship discourse?Yes or no
Is there genuinely ANY source that says that 06 was supposed to be a soft reboot or is that just hand-me-down speculation based entirely on the title from 20 years ago?
>>574904159It's not any more random than a floating island, the gods in the classic manuals, Little Planet, the legendary egg that just coincidentally happens to look like the Death Egg, Chaos and the Chao, a Sonic lookalike being born from an old science experiment, Metal Sonic transforming into a giant monster...
>>574903516Nah, hashes don't change when you download an image (why would it?). There's multiple people reposting crap they download all the time. I only posted this once before BTW. I'd love to see your guess.>>574904449Is that so? I wonder ig that really works since I'm pretty sure there are scripts to bypass login.
>>574904903The source is that the game is literally called "Sonic the Hedgehog".
>>574904903The latter.
>>574905021>Nah, hashes don't change when you download an image (why would it?).Idk what the conversation is but they do since most sites process the images and compress them and stuff
>>574904159>06 does nothing with Sonic being associated with the Sun,Wellllllll......>SONIC RACES THROUGH THE [GREEN FIELDS.]https://youtu.be/hDR-7OfckYk>THE SUN RACES THROUGH A [ BLUE SKY ] FILLED WITH WHITE CLOUDS.Blue Skies os a recurring motif for the game, Silver especially who Elise mistakes Sonic for>THE WAYS OF HIS HEART ARE MUCH LIKE THE SUN.>SONIC RUNS AND RESTS; THE SUN RISES AND SETS.>DON'T GIVE UP ON THE SUN.>DON'T MAKE THE SUN LAUGH AT YOU.https://youtu.be/6qIVjND9yQQ?t=65
>>574905065>>574905076Figured as much.
>>574904595SA1 was shitty reboot that removed a lot of the mechanics and physics that made the classic games fun with heavily automated level design held together by duck tape and awful character redesigns. Then compensated so hard with the "cinematic" story and cutscenes creating a bunch of Sonic fans that's only obsessed with the series for it's story and character over actual gameplaySonic should never been rebooted at all when what we had already worked
>>574904595Sonic Adventure is not a reboot. It's literally a direct sequel.>>574905531Huh, maybe it's a bit of a stretch but cool either way
Knuckles, Tails, and Amy's dynamic in every single game
>>574905413For uploading, not downloading.
>>574904430You're going to need to reread that sentence.
>>574905531i wonder if mephiles laughing is a reference to ''don't make the sun laugh at you'' that's too omnious compared to the rest of the quotes>>574904159its also a reference to blaze with blaze inheriting iblis from elise.
I wish this thread could die already.The last two were really bas too.
>>574905991Didn't anything change from Sonic Adventure 3 to what became Sonic Unleashed?
>>574905990Well yeah but if you download someone's upload then it changes. I might be missingcontext
>>574905995>>574905531mephiles also refers himself as the sun in the leaked script. as the evil sonic thing
>>574904903All I can find is the Sonic Channel interview by Nakamura about 06 being namedhttps://web.archive.org/web/20161029143505/http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannelOld/creators/010/index.html
>>574906343>Poorly aged things
>>574906343Here's another one friendhttps://sonic.sega.jp/sonic/soleanna/002/index.htmlAnd in this very interview he says he explained it multoiple times already. It's not about it being a reboot, it's about connecting back to the series roots while making a brand new latest generation game
>>574906532a ruined future destroyed by a fire demon with small fire demons monsters roaming around is bringing Sonic back to it's roots?
We're on page 10
>>574906936So
>>574906903Also blaze for no reason
>>574906532>it's about connecting back to the series roots So they admit what they were doing prior was off the rails of what Sonic was supposed to be
>>574905678>SA1 was shitty reboot that removed a lot of the mechanics and physics that made the classic games funSA1 is a good reboot that had to drop a lot of the stuff in the classicsnbecause they dont work in 3D and dont take adequate advantage of the 3rd dimension.If anything, SA1s problem is it clings to the shape of the classics too much.>>574905884>Sonic Adventure is not a reboot. It's literally a direct sequel.These arent mutually exclusive.Also it isn't a "direct" sequel. It's a sequel the same way Heroes is a sequel to SA2.
>>574906532>it's about connecting back to the series rootsIronic, because nothing on 06 seriously feels like Sonic.
>>574905917Amy and Knuckles have a dynamic Its literally a Tails issue
>>574907075there's trails that point out to 06 and rush sharing themes but not a full picture to confirm what it is.
>>574904903Why is this not something you can tell by playing the game itself. I hate this trend of pretedning to be retarded for the sake of an "argument"
SA1 feels like it's still part of the master emerald/angel island arc
>>574907293>Amy and Knuckles have a dynamicNo they don't.
Persona 5 is canon to the Sonic universe. It's Zor's self-insert fanfiction where he lives out his fantasy of saving society from corrupt adults.
They love each other
>>574906532nigger it literally says "reborn sonic"do you think that has to do with sonic having a religious epiphany or something
>>574907576It reboots the emerald lore just to tell itself though.
>>574906903>>574907075Sonic 2006 was made by taking concepts from the original series' pitch, scrapped Sonic 1 material, and the Japanese Sonic 1 manual, and then making a brand new SA2-style game around those ideas. The fire demons or which characters are present have nothing to do with this and don't contradict anything, as it is simply a new game that also has its own ideas. This response is completely disingenuous.>>574907147>These arent mutually exclusive.They literally are. A reboot discards what was previously established and starts a new continuity. Sonic Adventure is not a reboot.>>574907241It was their intention. Whether they succeeded or not is another matter. That said though, the original series pitch isn't something you see much of in any of the other games. I think Sonic 2006 is close enough to it, although I doubt that they would have given it such a serious tone in the 90s
^shut up nakamura.
>>574907586Yes they do. Amy thinks he is a hotheaded idiot and Knuckles thinks she is annoying, but they ultimately have eachother's backs.We even see this a lot in X. Knuckles and Amy interact quite a bit.
>>574907738out of genuine curiosity, what are the elements you think 06 takes from unused or draft pitches? i know renzo who is part of silvers mission makes a reference to the dead pilot from the pitch but idk if theres anyhting else.
>>574907431Because playing the game indicates it's a direct sequel to the games before it and is making no effort to reboot anything, retard.
>>574907885X is not canon you stupid bastard
>These characters don't have a dynamic>Well you see in SONIC XWow
>>574908051>it's a direct sequel to the games before itNowhere is this true.
>>574908226Except it is, it's already been explained by other anons in this thread, and saying it isn't doesn't make you any less retarded.
>>574907738>A reboot discards what was previously established and starts a new continuity. Sonic Adventure is not a reboot.Not true. Not all reboots are hard reboots.DB went through a reboot going into the "Z era" for example as dragonball was ending the 23rd technician budokai
>>574904903It's the latter with a combination of misinterpreting "connecting back to the franchise's roots"
>>574908061>ignore everything else to pretend you have an argument.Such a nitwit
>>574908454New thread pals: because got fucking tired of a the nonsense here>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520>>574831520
>>574908505Standing next to each other is not a fucking dynamic
>>574907885Using Sonic X as an example is just as bad as using Archie
>>574908595>"standing next to eachother".Play the game. They are beefing and talking over eachother.Amy in Pic related is giving him an angry glare.
>>574908567Whoops wrong linkActual new thread.>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193>>574908193
>>574907990Sonic's dialogue to Elise in general is clearly based on the Japanese manual and cover art of Sonic 1. The series' pitch says the game stories are supposed to be fairy tales and I think that's the most evident in this game as well. Elise being saved by Sonic and falling in love with him is probably based on Madonna, and Elise's character development follows a similar plot structure to Yasuhara's background story, which also involved the concept of "Sonic coming to the real world", which Nakamura says is another foundational idea of the game
>>574908193
>>574908706>samefagging
>>574907431I played the game and I can tell it's not a reboot.>>574908309Aah, yes of course, if you redefine reboot to mean "sequel with arbitrary amount of differences" then you can claim anything is a reboot, on a softness scale of course. I see now
>>574907885Tails and Knuckles interact way more than Amy and Knuckles and actually have a relationship unlike the latter.
>>574904935All those things have something that helps to connects it back to the Sonic seriesLittle Planet has the Time Stones which is it's own "Chaos Emeralds" equivalent with the levels being like alternate versions of "Sonic 1" levels. Also helps that level aesthetics are essential Sonic with it's "colorful, geometric and abstract" lookChaos and the Chao are "Sonic styled creature designs" and has historic connections to the "Emeralds" being their original "guardian" like Knuckles is nowSonic lookalike being born from an old science experiment connects it with Shadow being a dark mirror counterpart to "Sonic" created by Gerald which "Eggman's" grandfather to harness the powers of the "Chaos Emeralds" to use Chaos ControlThe only things in 06 that connects it to the Sonic series is Silver being another "Sonic" counterpart and the "Chaos Emeralds" being used as a generic power source to help seal Iblis inside Elise and transform Mephiles into Solaris. The Chaos Emeralds has real no history or connection to Soleanna like how Gerald used their special powers in his research
>>574909227This is a good point, but Rimlight is connected to the Solaris experiments and I think they also make Chaos Drives. I think the game is just missing some aspects of its background lore.
