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My city now
>>575183145I like the new idw stuff rumble is adding right now.
>>575183287The new stickers are cute too, I will post them.
>>575183287I hate Tangle.
>>575183395
Son with ADHDHomosexual dadCoincidence? I think not
>>575183536
We need to revisit Camelot, but with a game that doesn't suck>inb4 there are contrarian who like the wii gamesLiterally mobileslop before mobileslop became popular
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>>575183709cope
>>575183709All Kishimoto games are slippingHe h a s not improved despite making games for 20 years
>>575183757Don't know if whisper had a sticker, but I have this one too.
>>575183789He is also a waifufag who failed completely to shill his waifu
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>>575183867She does >>575156938
>>575183757>>575183995Thanks
>>575183973Why is this stupid bitch in a Sonic game
>>575183973
>>575183652Sexnic
>>575184198They are adding gemerl too, and that's it.
>>575159036The irony is that nowadays being near Shadow downplays her original traits.
>>575184365That's what shipping does to everyone
>>575184182Well, she's old news already.
>>575184449They couldn't find anyone else
>>575161307>A petty but soft scared little girl who wants to bond with her big sister Belle who makes her feel safe.Disappointing to hear, of course she wants to push her OC as being special. It was more interesting when they didn’t like each other, why not make Sage threaten to drag Belle back and reprogram her to obey instead of this niceness.
>>575184449Whatever happened to the last sonic blitz update anyway?Did people datamined it already?
>>575184557From the comics? No, unless you'd rather Belle. In general? They're working on that.
>>575184557>>575184903Well kitsunami already got leaked.
krack is such an annoying bitch
>>575185021Yeah I didn't mention him because he was leaked a long while ago.
>>575184903Jewel would make a nice addition.
sonic fangirls have such cute voices and bodies and faces
WWMH Tails creator is finally back from her hiatus and she plans to complete the whole comic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvFLt3TQWSA
>>575185913Stop simping
>>575186021
What was the point of the Diamond Cutters exactly? They made three sluts a team then disbanded them one arc later. Why?
>>575186075the truth isn't simping
>>575185665I thought about that too but Jewel doesn't have any particularly unique trait or ability to use in Rumble besides "can fly." I forget if everyone gets a unique action or not but I guess they could make her fly around with a stack of papers falling as a gag.
>>575186176Ian wanted to make them a girls action team and then Evan turned them into a catty drama whore fest like she always does with every character
>>575186242Shut up simp
"man why do i feel like im gonna throw up"oh wait it's probably because ive done nothing but eat cookies and watch youtube for like a week
>>575186508Take better care of yourself anon. You need to live so you can shitpost about Sonic more
>>575185307Says who?
>>575186451i can promise you that i hate women more than you doyou are like a little gay baby when it comes to misogyny
>>575186394>Girls Action TeamWon't work. Unless you do Charlies Angels i.e. pander to men and ONLY men, the concept is doomed to failure.
>>575185665I don't think there's much other IDW character they could add to the games at this point. That's why they're releasing skin batches with Kit on the backburner. Only ones left is maybe Rough and Tumble or Jewel and Belle
>>575186619Those are literally paid reviews
>>575186394The fuck did you expect when they made a character who’s most memorable panels consist of her crying
>>575186836>who’s most memorable panels consist of her cryingEvan's fault too by the way
>>575186176They wanted to force more trio shit but it uses drama as a foundation and also brought back and killed arguably the worst character in the comic. None of it worked and I'm glad, forcing teams is stupid.
Stop letting women write action adventure series for the love of god
>>575186176The concept was fine, but whisper and tangle devolved into token characters with not depth, while lanolin turned out to be a massive uptight bitch.Then she had a conflict with silver, and everything turned to shit for them in the clean sweep arc when turns out lanolin was wrong while whisper and tangle kept secrets, stupidly.The only one who used her brain on that arc was jewel, but people will shitpost about her creating a 9-11 when everyone was already evacuated.Then they realize they won't work as a team and that's it. The team was horrid when the concept turned into reality.Truth to be told the team and specially lanolin got massive hate after the silver incident, similar to what happened with sally and fiona slaping sonic and tails respectively, in the end it was horrible but it was mostly fanboys/girls protecting game characters, while people had actual expectations with the diamond cutters.The team gaining way too much protagonism when all of us are here for the game characters was a factor there too.
>>575186974I know Sophie Campbell doesnt count for obvious reasons, but boy his tmnt arc was so bad, who tought it was a good idea to make an action book into a slice of life, it got worst when he self inserted his literal tmnt deviants fanfic into the story.
>>575186981So you're saying it could work if they add a proper male character who's job is to actually be likable and relatable to males. Yeah, girls do nothing but argue, bitch, and backstab each other.
>>575187173I blame the editors for letting these retards do this shit in the first place.
>>575187259>Saber Marionette Why post this and not post a good example of an all female action team like the girls from Bubblegum Crisis
>>575187259He didn't say that
>>575186897The artists too
>>575187403They aren't going to have random scenes of the Diamond Cutters being naked or showering so that won't work either.
>>575187259Nah, they did the worst creative choices with that particular team, them being girls doesn't have anything to do with it.Lanolin being very unlikeable was a factor for a lot of people too, specially when a lot of fans had expectations through the roof when she was promoted into a main character.The funny thing is how abt explained she always had that personality since her first concept on pic related and people exploded for it.
>>575186974Unleashed was written by a woman.
>>575187676Unleashed has a boring as fuck story so that tracks
>>575187514No but he did say>The team was horrid when the concept turned into reality.They need a male character so the audience can relate. Also to be the straightman in this group of crazy bitches.
>>575187259They would’ve just made him a pussy anyway. The real issue is that we’re stuck with shit writers who like drama and drawing tears.
>>575187372Yeah the editor was the real Villian there for not even trying to make his job stopping silly ideas.
>>575187629This is why they were doomed to fail.
>>575187259They look like they have Down syndrome
>>575187724They just needed to not add Lanolin. Male or female doesn't matter, just not her.
>>575187826It was the style at the time. See also the first season of Pokemon.
>>575187724>Boring self insert that has to be the managerNo thanks, especially since the main problem are the writers
>>575187826Very fitting given their actual characterization
>>575187724It was more about those characters teaming up around their worst character arcs respectively.When the team disbanded, all of them magically got better.
>>575188247>When the team disbanded, all of them magically got better.>None of the characters have shown up in the comic sinceWell, you're TECHINCALLY right.
>>575188395Hopefully they died on the way to their home planet
>>575187724Lanolin was supposed to be the straight man, err woman, but it never panned out
>>575188395Yeah, now they're being reintroduced outside of comic stuff at more tolerable points of their arcs. No melodrama for games.
>>575188643A woman cannot be the straightman. A woman can be the mama bear but not the straightman. You have to be bland and dry to be a straightman and nobody likes those qualities in a woman especially women.>>575188121If "boring self inserts" were bad, successful stories would stop using them.
>>575185123KRACK IS SUCH AN AWESOME POSTER
He looks like a villain here
Why haven't future game stories reached the highs of the Adventure series? Particularly SA2? SA2 felt like such a definitive climax for the franchise.
>>575190484Because Sega is afraid of flying high
Douge
>>575190689I prefer beta Shadow
>>575190484A specific number of things have to perfectly line up to get the tone, feel, and gameplay of a Sonic adventure game fight. You basically need to make a Tony Hawk game that takes itself seriously during the climax
>>575190886>I prefer beta ShadowThen why did you post final Shadow?
>>575191042Because he isn't beta enough
>>575190484Maybe I'm crazy. I think it could happen.
>>575186021Nice. Good to know not all fan projects die forever.
Sonic's urineGolden shower
Shadow scored
>>575194312He did
>>575186021>>575186138No fucking way. It was actually a hiatus?
Has the True Dark Age finally come to an end?https://cpn.sega-account.com/survey/17/title/basic
Let’s play a game of guess who.
>>575176174She already does. They want her to look like Sonic. It's just an excuse.
>>575195330AND THEN IT'S REVEALED HE'S ACTUALLY FROM AN ALIEN RACE FROM OUTER SPACE
>>575195883Sega wants to pretend Archie never existed.
>>575195910her quills look like bob hair and she doesnt have backspines either, i still like it but a rando would probably think shes a cat without prior knowledge.
>>575186619>SA2 out of nowhereThey said contemporaries, not sequelSA1fags are so obsessed with being in SA2s shadow.
If you're not counting on Penders for Archie reprints then you're just being spiteful and difficult.
>>575189292And you’re asking for it Sonic media lol, people already detest the self insert characters we have
You entered the Two-Tailed Fox Boy!>ACT: Notice TailThe fox boy got defensive!"H-hey! Everyone's different!">ACT: Give MintThe fox boy doesn't take candy from strangers!"I sure like mint candy though...">ACT: Geek OutThe fox boy opened up and chatted your ears off about planes, robots, and all sorts of mechanical things!"Badnik? More like RADnik! (Still bad though...)">ACT: Geek OutThe fox boy rattled on about cool speedy hedgehogs, and demonstrated his own speed with his tails!"I'm the fastest thing with two tails!">ACT: High-FiveThe fox boy returned the high-five with gusto!"You seem cool! Everyone deserves a chance!">SPARE: Fox BoyThe fox boy was recruited to your castle town! YOU WON!"W-wait, where am I? What is this? SONIC--!!"
>>575195883Real talk, did anyone actually like these stories?
>>575196391>If you want Archie back your only option is the one where Shadow is a dad
>>575196395Reminder that Udon is subsidiary of Capcom and Sega probably doesn't want reprints of their material with their IPs included for another company's benefit and profit.
>>575189292>A woman cannot be the straightmanRouge does it just fine for Team Dark.The problem is that Tangle and whisper dont need a straightman so its forced. She just comes off as no gun allowed. Tangle's thing was bringing whisper out of her shell so you cant just present her energy and fun loving behavior as bad. Meanwhile Whisper is the sadsack with drama eho is taciturn. You cant have Lanolin come out of nowhere and start talking down to her. She will just come off as a bitch.Rouge meanwhile is not talking down to anyone, but instead getting highstrung over two edgelord murder weapons fighting eachother and everything and only barely wanting to work together.They form.a team out of convenience but dont become a proper well oiled machine until throughout the course of the adventure.It works. Its earned.Lanolin didnt work because it was forced and the characters are shallow. They are a trio to say IDW has one because muh triofagging.
>>575189292>If "boring self inserts" were bad, successful stories would stop using them.Zelda did.Boring self insert stories dont stop using because they end and dont become particularly successful. They are slop. You're just being edgy contrarian for the sake of owning the libs now.
>>575191927He's going to devour her head
Characters like Lanolin where their basis is hating the main character or shitting on the legacy cast will never be tolerated because they exist out of deep seated resentment for the setting they're in from the people who created them and/or writing them.
>>575195330>Azure LakeWhat!
I lost
>>575183287I just wish it was a better game
>>575196173>her quillsThat's just Sonic's hairstyle. Not what defines a hedgehog.She styles her hair into a bobcut What desinguoshes hedgehog blobians are the monoeye, the ears and the muzzle/skull shape. >backspines eitherThe back spine thing is experieally weird autism to me. The reason sonic has it is because ot continues the patterns off of his hair to the rest of his design. When people put it on Amy it looks dumb and sticks out for no reason in an awkward way.In general, these people just seem not like that she is more cute sweet and soft as opened to edgy and angry looking.>rando would probably think shes a cat without prior knowledge.That's just true of Sonic himself to begin with. Only reason anyone thinks he is a hedgehog is because its on his name. A lot of these people dont even know what a hedgehog is and only know because of Sonic. They think of hedgehogs as "Sonics" the way people call Kirbys "Kirbies".
>>575196582https://youtu.be/UMqT8qiJTeA
>>575195883There is no point in pretending we don't know. It's Sega. They want to memory hole it just as hard as Sonic 3 &knuckles original soundtrack.
>>575196667I had no clue but even then, they’ve done business before (like Crossworlds) and it’s not like they wouldn’t get paid to license their IP. This is just another reminder that Sega doesn’t want anything to do with Archie.
>>575197879>They want to memory hole it just as hard as Sonic 3 & Knuckles original soundtrack.But Tee Lopes just recently remixed IceCap.
>>575197613The massive tits help, but I also liked the concept of her being tired and overworked within the Restoration because she's doing so much but still being committed. Not sure when that got corrupted into "tired of everyone else's shit and acts like a massive bitch".
>>575196710So essentially, Lanolin is a perfect example of shoving a character into an already established dynamic with the worst possible personality to bounce off of for that said dynamic just to push the 3 team autism and poorly revive a team we barely knew (the Diamond Cutters)
>>575198238Sonally isn't an optionIt isn't in-character for Sally to chase forever like Amy Ian had no choice. He explained this multiple times
>>575198265>Not sure when that got corrupted into "tired of everyone else's shit and acts like a massive bitch".Blame ABT and Evan.
>>575198265ABT said this was always the plan. Looking back, her neurotic attitude/expressions and immediate resting bitch face when turned away in the issue where she was named and spoke to Vector briefly was the warning sign.
>>575198405He could've just had her single or date another guy.
>>575197613>entirely localized on her chest
>>575198407>>575198492Well, I could understand weary outbursts but did they have to make her so fucking retarded?
>>575198094That's just something he did with his free time. Artist working on the IDW comic draw Archie stuff all the time.
>>575198501I don't have the link but in one of the dragon ball themed Bumblekast Ian explained that Sally is already the type to move on quickly and also that she was the type who is looking for love so it made sense to have her move on and settle with Nicole
>>575198678>That's just something he did with his free time.On an Official SEGA Stream, no less?
>Ian: "Please understand, I HAD to make Sally turn into a lesbian for her GPS or else she'd potentially be tainted by another man!"
>>575198405Nta but you don’t find it weird that Ian still wanted to make Sally be in a relationship anyway despite the no romance rule (besides those already in established relationships) anyhow? And how interesting it is that he decided to make her a lesbian even though she only expressed interest in men? It’s like he didn’t want a male character to touch her lol
>>575197848Popular fandom meme that is semi confirmed by official art now!
Lanolin sucks because no character is actually allowed to tell her to go fuck herself when she gets uppity.
>>575198238You never liked Sally
>>575198784Yet had her wait 25 years for Sonic one time.
>>575181114You don't think Ian's delusional grand master plan is to support Shadamy and then sometime before he dies somehow successfully get the freedom fighters back so he can ship Sonally do you?
>>575198620I don’t know what to tell you beyond I guess so. If you look at those comics ABT draws on his own, she’s a schizo and in one of them attempted to attack Sonic for not killing Eggman and ending it all. She’s not compatible with the setting.
>>575198267Yes. Contrary to popular belief, opposites don't automatically attract. You have to have some contrast with some complement.When people day "opposites attract" what they really are doing is boring the lead on the fact they like the power fantasy of one character forcing/controlling the other into becoming more what they want.
>>575199049People bring this up to shit on Ian but he already considers 25 years later to be out of character. He doesn't even like that universe
>>575198949I honestly think he should've just done that. Antoine and Bunnie were already together. Might as well pair up the last two SatAM SatAM characters.
>>575199097Remember the whole deal with Spinball? Ian was desperate trying to use that to justify the Freedom Fighters or just Sally to come back.
>>575199154That still didn’t stop him from changing Pender’s autism with his own
>>575198492Tbf, that kind of character works when they are just a minor incidental. It pnly sucks if you make em a major character.
>>575199154But why do it at all?
>>575199256>or just Sally to come backWhich is weird because despite being the most popular out of them, Sally doesn’t work without the FFs. Presumably they’d redesign her again (since they hate Archie) and her addition won’t include her father and Nicole is only allowed to be a computer device effectively making her a new character.
I would unironically rather have Penders's maximum retardation than Ian's gutted version
Why are westoids obsessed with the "fine, ill go date your edgy rival to make you jealous" trope?Crash's writers did it with Pinstripe.Argonaut made Krystal do it in Starfox.Shadamyfags use it constantlyWhat draws someone to this shitty trope? Why are americans obsessed with mc cuckoldry?
I think the whole appeal of the freedom fighters in Satam just won't fit. They're a eag tag group of kids with all the standard 90s tropes and if you put canon Sonic in there he would solve the problem in two days and defeat the entire point
>>575199231I like pilot Sally before they made her fapbait.
>>575199727Why are you so booty bothered
>>575199727>Sonic>Jealous So Shadamy fans just don't understand the characters rhen
>>575199561As a person who shat on Archoe for years, im actually coming around to this. I think Ian was always the problem.
>>575199936>>575199727you are making up things to get mad about
>>575199910Literally every Sonic from every game is a poor match. Sa1 Sonic doesn't banter. Sa2 through to Black Knight Sonic has no lessons to learnPontaff Sonic would be insufferable and all of them would beat Robotnik in three days max
>>575199727It’s done for cheap drama in SFks case, bitter shipfags in Sonic’s case and they just wanted to get rid of Tania in Crash’s case so she got poochied for Coco iirc.
>>575199561At least you're allowed to laugh at Ken's autism. With Ian it always has to be a debate because he cultivated a group of fans who have a parasocial relationship with him and think he can get them to work in Sonic too if they glaze him enough for him to notice.
>>575198935Silver and Whisper should have sacked her the moment she got uppity with them about Duo.Like, who the fuck are you to question us?
>>575200005The thing about Penders is that nobody would ever mistake his versions of the characters for the canon versions like with Ian. Penders was just bullshitting and writing whatever. If you let him write 06 it would be something like the Echidnas wanted to create God so they made Solaris and then Knuckles has to turn into Iblis Knuckles to stop it >>575200041
>>575196582>Netskies mock Tails for only having two tailsAnd surely you mean "countered the fox"?
>>575199889Im genuinely curious. It strikes me as weird because its almost always done TO characters rather than done because it makes sense for the character to do.Its like this idea that "everyone would/should do this" as if its a no brainer. This is despite the fact it always plays out the same and isnt ever interesting.What draws someone to this trope?
>>575186981>The only one who used her brain on that arc was jewel, but people will shitpost about her creating a 9/11 when everyone was already evacuated.The stupid bitch herself wasn't even off the ship by the time she flipped the self-destruct for literally no reason (pic related). It didn't need to become an exploding hazard - she escalated unnecessarily. That's what people give her shit for.
>>575200074and now we have really hot incest porn for crash as a result
>>575200074Sure but they all gravitate towards this specific trope like it was a no-brainer go-to? Where does this come from?
>>575200225literally a woman moment
>>575199783Their whole purpose depends on Eggman being a dictator who already ruled the world and is a mixture of Emperor Palpatine and Dr. Claw.
>>575197879>>575197467I should cum soon
>>575200098They were all written like retards to make the arc work. Whisper has known Mimic for years, knows his dirty deeds and doesn’t think he’d be willing to go that far to play victim lol
>>575200225>picOh, wow, I completely misremembered and thought Clutch activated the self-destruct out of spite. I still feel like Jewel's the most tolerable IDW OC overall, but she's retarded too just like the rest.
Silverfags are fighting for their god damn life against Evan LOL
>>575199256And then he got SEGA to vault the 16-bit version...
>>575200349Telenovas I assume. It’s a typical trope in romance.
>>575200173Yeah but also I'm coming around to the idea Pender's stuff just has a different appeal that isn't for me but can nonetheless be called good.Ian's stuff is just fanfic slop fanservice that was comon in the mid2000s.
>>575200497>They were all written like retards to make the arc work.Seems more like they're all written like retards to make the entire comic work.
Remember when Archie put Sonic in space with a bunch of weird aliensThat was coolArchie was cool whenever it wasn't about royal stuff
>>575200540I don’t think Evan really knew (or cared) how to end this arc lol
>>575200173>Knuckles Penders was already converted into a Shadowfag when that game came out. His version would have even heavier Shadow wanking.
>>575200573It's funny when you realise they getting called misogynistic for something a woman did, but if they disagree with her, they'll appear misogynistic still.
>>575200825Silverfags have basically been stalemated. If you call IDW Silver ooc IDW fans will say you're being misogynistic or homophobic or forcing toxic masculinity or you want Silver to be Shadow
Ken would have Elise start to fall for Shadow and Sally gets jealous and Sonic thinks it will give him the opportunity to try to win over Sally (and fail, giving her the ick and make her bat more for Shadow lol)
>>575201159Sally blows Shadow causing him to transform into OverShadow but Penders art was so ugly that the censors didn't realize it was a sex act
>>575201090thats all true though
>>575201090>If you call IDW Silver ooc IDW fans will say you're being misogynistic or homophobicBut I am
I want to feel bad for Silverfags but the fact that their shonen hero is held hostage by a tumblrina is too funny
>>575201090IDW and the rest of Sonicbabs don't like Silver, they just don't want him to over shadow their fav so they try to keep him in line as a loser and keep the stories shit and they don't even realize it
>>575201487They could do this by not making him stay in the present all year
>>575199727>Crash's writers did it with Pinstripe.Out of necessity to get a feminist exec off their back.>Argonaut made Krystal do it in Starfox.*Q-Games, but oddly enough I looked it up and the game doesn't have a writing credit; either director Dylan Cuthbert (from the Argonaut days) or producer Takaya Imamura (Nintendo supervisor) is responsible.
They should make IDW Amy talk like a ghetto woman so if you compost about it you're racist
>>575201806why are they piloting drone strikes in ukraine
9 years since a good sonic game
>>575201806>Wii UHoly based
>>575201598They tried to use Shadow as a jobber and nobody liked that, so Silver needs to fill that spot now
>>575201604>Out of necessity to get a feminist exec off their back.It wasnt necesary at all. They didnt HAVE to use the trope at all.
https://www.yourworldoftext.com/SonicSTHGStoryTails CYOA continues at Rentry: rentry.org/tailseroJohnny's down, but there are limited turns! Tails' options: 1) split up with Zooey, 2) find the Emerald above deck together, or 3) help the Captain below deck together.
>>575194560>n... no y..youas I said. all purists are creatively bankrupt clowns
>>575200743I honestly don't remember out of house of cards Ians era of Archie having much royal stuff
>>575204454There was the whole acorn council crap with the pig
>>575203975That's not even a "no u", idiot. Just proving you're idiots with sub IQ and poor reading comprehension.
>>575204806whatever helps
The term jobber has been flanderized. Being a jobber isn't even supposed to be bad. A good jobber jobs while still looking good doing it.Eggman jobs but never loses aura. Sonic himself jobs and maintains his aura.The problem with characters like Knuckles or Metal is that they are shit jobbers.
>>575204942>"if I post smug pic, you cant see me seething!"Lol here's another for good measure.
always wondered why he started talking in 3rd person
>>575205470Pretty sure the implication is that they're watching a lewd movie
Thoughts on this? I don't Sonic Team is all that transparent with Sonic fans so this column is a good change in my opinion.
If 06 is meant to be a reboot it's weird that Shadow's plot in that game is clearly meant as a payoff for his arc across the previous games
>>575207291I will never be able to hate Kishimoto
Posting the survey for anyone that missed ithttps://cpn.sega-account.com/survey/17/title/basic
>>575200225>>575200540These posts is incredibly misleading here, jewel did the right thing to stop clutch from his charade, it was clutch who lost his shit, and destroyed the control so the ship couldn't be controlled.How is that jewel's fault, the poster literally posted the prove of it.
>>575209250I wonder if anything will come of this. It's also a little strange that they're only asking about this game specifically and a year or so after it launched
>>575205470The shadria smut this artist did was amazing.
>>575209906Give me the whole catalogue
>>575210003Is on the booru
>>575209430> jewel did the right thing to stop clutch from his charadeHe already exposed himself on public television, the charade was pre-stopped (and besides, Nite the Owl did all the work #Canceling him, not Jewel)>it was clutch who lost his shit, and destroyed the control so the ship couldn't be controlled. How is that jewel's faultDo you miss the part where Jewel activated an unnecessary self-destruct that she EXPLICITLY STATES that she cannot shut down IN AN OCCUPIED CIVILIAN AIRCRAFT, above a COLOSSEUM FULL OF PEOPLE IN BLAST RADIUS
>>575209250So is this just a "shit talk Ian" survey?
Abyss
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>>575207291We don't care about gameslop
>>575210873I can fix her...
Jesus, the Clean Sweepstakes is like a Fyre Festival/Woodstock '99 of woman moments
Tundra
>>575200772I think Evan(or Sega) wanted to reboot the Restoration, but also wanted that reboot to be tied to a dramatic and memorable event so she had Jewel blow it up in a pyrrhic victory against a villain.I sure a lot of thought went into this narrative decision and I wouldn't be surprised if we see a new(more marketable) version of the Restoration HQ in the future, because the Restoration is kinda a major element for IDW. It's just the story leading to this sudden change wasn't too well excited. It pretty telling that a lot of elements from the Riders arc was fasttracked onto the games.
>>575211303
>>575211405>the Restoration is kinda a major element for IDW.It's also one of its biggest flaws. The persistent relation to Forces should have been dropped as fast as possible and it also ties down multiple characters.
>>575205047>Sonic himself jobs and maintains his aura.Not always.
The West's obsession with putting Sonic in an organization
>>575210361Nta but I mean, does it have any impact knowing everyone on that aircraft got away with no one being hurt, while she aircraft itself moved the original target into a space that was already evacuated so the coliseum in the end was never on danger, it was the restoration headquarters that got destroyed (the building was already evacuated too)The story did this to show us a moral choice, with the less casualties, but in the end, everyone got to their home safely with literally no casualties.Still both had administrator access, and the ship couldn't be stopped? That makes no sense.
>>575211405>a lot of thought went into this narrative decisionIt didn't> the Restoration is kinda a major element for IDWA bad one that restricts the freewheeling aspect of Sonic adventures, is a lingering wart from the Forces game, and is basically Great Value Freedom Fighters> pretty telling that a lot of elements from the Riders arc was fasttracked onto the gamesYou mean the mobile gamesAlso, how old are you to have that many misspellings in your post?
>>575211597Honestly, I think the Cleansweepstakes arc was an attempt to address this. An attempt to loosen up the organization.
>>575211829>Japan makes a character that is all about spontaneous adventure and exploring various lands>The West decides to ball-and-chain him to various groups and keep him groundedShit should be studied
>>575211665Nope, still looks cool, fighting a psychic is fucking unfair
>>575211979I dropped IDW a good while ago, but I thought their skip to Post-Frontiers would have dropped most of the Restoration nonsense. Surely they're not still going with it even now?
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>>575211303>>575211510>>575211686Wew
>>575212070>still looks coolAmy had to save him, anon.>>575211963>misspellings in your post?I had a long week and I'm tired.
>>575212032> The west is superhero-brained> Comic fags love shit like Justice League and the AvaengersNot a hard line of dots to connect
>>575211979It was. They were addressing the complaint about IDW making things too much about the restoration. You guys are so fixated on it that you haven't realized it hasn't really been apart of the comic for over a year now and won't be for the rest of the road to 100. >>575211405>fasttracked onto the gamesThey're trying to uncomplicate things to give the idw characters a status quo that can be slotted into the games without much bs. That's why Surge and Kit in speed sim is about the trying to be heroes thing and why Rumble mentions that Tangle and Whisper live together since that's what 79 established.
>>575212201The Post-Fronteirs skip wasn't even a skip, Sage just starts existing as a character in the comics.They basically fucked up the time skip and made shit even more confusing
>>575212223Shitboard for the same slop
>>575207291poop from butt
>>575211665Sonic's aura wasnt even hit from this scene. The main thing that harmed Sonic in this game is that his entire story is just him looking for Elise over and over instead of doing things that are cool like at the start and end of his campaign.Silver is a psychic from the future. Shit is OP. Sonic doing as well as he did is impressive. Silver only being relative to him at best is a W for Sonic.
>>575200225Characters can only be as smart as their writer.
>>575212501>Tangle and Whisper live together since that's what 79 established.I hate that issue so much
Weren't you going to make your own without any fags?
Sonic is so fucking cool
Sweepstakes to current IDW is basically the soft reboot simplified version of idw that's trying to be as game friendly as possible and it shows. They got rid of the retarded crying with Whisper and killed Mimic, toned down the restoration, made shorter stories and gave the idw characters simple status quos comparable to the game cast. Everything the comic was known for is getting neutered partly to address concerns and also to get their ocs in the games. I'm 99% sure they will show up in the next mainline because of this.
>>575212284>Amy had to save him, anon.Bro, Sonic is so cool that the girl Silver was traveling companions with and befriended drops him like rocks because Sonikku is so important to her.Aura protected.
>>575212501>they care more about getting them into the games than telling a good story.Good lord.
>>575213065>I'm 99% sure they will show up in the next mainline because of this.I mean, everyone who follows this franchise already know this, even tangle ans whisper now have voice actresses and literally have japanese seizures now.The content on crossworlds helps too.
>>5752038232, priorities first
>>575213220Isn't this what people bitched to them about though? That their retarded ocs were carrying to much baggage and were scared they'd have to read comics to know them. Notice how the only things that get referenced of IDW in the games is Tangle and Whisper's story and everything post sweepstakes. Metal Virus and everything in between need not apply. Surge and Kit backstory will only be relevant if it there's story focus on them specifically.
>>575213065People shit on idw editorial, but this actually means they heard complains, and tried to fix everything wrong with it.
>>575213546The editor finally managed to do his goddamn job.
>>575213065I think you're right. Clean Sweep was IDW's super genesis wave. It was the end of everything that IDW had when it was meant to be its own universe
>>575213537>sn't this what people bitched to them about though? That their retarded ocs were carrying to much baggage and were scared they'd have to read comics to know them.This hasn't really changed. Unlike thr game cast, they don't really have a central narrative function that makes them serve any kind of story function. They are reliant on the story events they went though to have appeal and attachment to themYou don't need to know Sonic was accused of being a criminal by Shadow to use Sonic meaningfully in a story, same with Tails, Knuckles and Amy, Metal and Rouge and even Shadow.
>>575213065>killed Mimic,That was a mistake imo. He was their main recurring villain.>gave the idw characters simple status quos comparable to the game cast.I dont agree. What makes the game cast work is they have narrative and themes to go along with it.Sonic isnt just "drifter adventurer". He's a symbol. Same with Amy, Knuckles, Tails, Shadow.
>>575213065I haven't read that far into the comics as I'm actually playing Forces (in spite of my intense hatred of open world games) to not have them assume I played the game, and write stories around that concept. Those characters...or maybe the writers are going to be strangled by Brand Synergy. If the Archie comics had free reign for all characters to express emotional highs and lows, early IDW only had the earlier issues for non game characters to have emotional spikes. If current IDW can't have its own characters have emotions up to and including the meme worthy crying lesbians tier, its going to get very bland. If and When Sega gets over itself, maybe we'll see Archie reprints.I mean at least I get to enjoy 3d sheep tits, but damn.
>>575214431>Forces (in spite of my intense hatred of open world games)You mean Frontiers?
>>575213065>>575213849>Clean Sweep was IDW's super genesis wave.You're giving that arc and IDW too much credit. You can't fix what's been broken with the people who broke it in the first place, especially when they think breaking it more is the way to fix it. I say this because the comic's writing shows and has shown no signs of improving. (Sage arc, upcoming Silvaze BS) I fully believe the rumor that Issue 100 is the real Super Genesis Wave, and Udon might pick up the rights
>>575214531/sthg/ really doesn't play Sonic games
>>575211946>Nta but I mean, does it have any impact knowing everyone on that aircraft got away with no one being hurt Putting aside that acknowledging that IDW's lack of stakes de-legitimizes any attempt to take its stories seriously, that's arguing that there's no harm if a retard purposefully (mind this term) caused a fire in a public building that burned it to the ground because he thought burning the stairs would stop a thief.>while she aircraft itself moved the original target into a space that was already evacuated so the coliseum in the end was never on danger, it was the restoration headquarters that got destroyed (the building was already evacuated too)Re-reading, it was actually even worse. The ship was headed into a POPULATED CITY, not the Colosseum. Civilians risked themselves to tow the ticking time bomb. And do you not think forcing panicked evacuations of endangered innocents in harm's way of an oncoming blast isn't bad in-and-of-itself?>The story did this to show us a moral choice, with the less casualties, but in the end, everyone got to their home safely with literally no casualties.That's the thing: the danger on the table never needed to be there if not for Jewel being retarded. If her intent was to bargain using his (and her & everyone else's) lives, it was abjectly unnecessary: Clutch already lost by having his crimes exposed on live TV and destroying any credibility he had by accidentally admitting the allegations were true. Creating the scenario she did, as seen in pic related, just had his goons tie everyone up and leave them to die before bailing out - effectively meaning Jewel's idiocy activating this stupid self-destruct handed him a free hostage situation to distract people and escape had Sonic not intervened.No matter how you slice this situation, there is no way to make Jewel seem smart for doing this.
The Salamander story should have been the standard for idw
>>575214431>the Archie comics had free reign for all characters to express emotional highs and lowsThis is a lie, sega was looking at the comic since 150, and the archie book had its own censors with sega applying specific rules for it.
>>575214431>its going to get very blandIt already was bland because part of the problem is that they want to do archie tier drama but they're never going to be allowed to while this comic is canon. So we get half assed stories where nothing is allowed to happen but they try anyways. It's too late for them to walk it back now too. Sega would have to drop the hammer on them because they won't admit being a canon comic fucked them over
Waiting Iizuka to retire so that the franchise can finally heal
>>575214743>>575211946To add insult to injury, the evacuation was happening down to the last second so it's not like they were just empty buildings with nobody inside.
>>575214531>>575214640I did mean Frontier. The Sonic ost playlist I was listening to shuffled into a Forces song.
>>575214353>He was their main recurring villain.What did he do of value that made him worth sticking around. He only existed to be waved in Whisper's face, make her cry and then have cheap lesbo hug with her and Tangle. He can't kill anyone with the shitty knife and he was retarded as fuck that even Eggman said he's shit at his job.
>>575214951>The fucking wheelchair OC is back
>>575215036heh. if Infinite's theme doesnt make you feel like you could fist-fight Satan himself, and win, you're probably dead from the neck up
>>575214951What a fun page, I like it.
>>575214353Killing Mimic was a mercy-killing. His over-extended mole subplot as "Duo the Cat" went on way too long and made him overstay his welcome as a character.
>>575214891Even with the oversight given by Sega, he's still crying in those panels. Other Sega characters were able to still able to emote. That's what I mean.
>>575214891Wasn't this SOA? I thought SOJ didn't pay attention to Archie until the lawsuit
>>575214091>They don't really have a central narrative function that makes them serve any kind of story function.Now that they're closer to being blank slates and being put in the games, thats for Sonic Team to figure out
>>575214906But Iizuka is the GOAT who defined Modern Sonic gameplay.
>>575215774Yeah, that's the problem
>>575215620Nope, sega lost their shit with archie thanks to the infamous cover of sonic crying like a bitch for sally's wedding, since then, sega made absolutely sure archie followed a strict set of rules, so it never happened again, the Ken penders fiasco was way later and totally unrelated problem.10 issues later flynn, and yardley got into the ride and made the archie book actually readable again.
>>575214906Once Iizuka goes, the series is gonna turn into westslop like Prime and Boom.
>>575215184>What did he do of value that made him worth sticking aroundThem not using him isn't a fault of the character. Him being their main recurring villain was the only real thing they had.When Shadow resolved his past, he evolved into a character about putting the past behind you and self authorship.Whisper and Tangle dont have this. They are just nuTomboy with ADHD and Quiet taciturn girl.People only pretend to love them because Yuri rep.
>>575216380(standing up at the lunch table, foaming at the mouth) MANDATES! MANDATES! MANDATES! (the sped kids start joining in) MANDATES! MANDATES! MANDATES! MANDATES!
>>575216402>its going to become incredibly successful and well receivedoh nooo
>>575215413Mimic shouldn't have even left the mini-series he was introduced in.
>>575216608Yeah, sega can be a bitch about it, but is for the better good.
>>575216402The series is already “west slop” under Iizuka what the hell are you saying
>>575215413That's not the character's fault though. He himself did everything right characterwise. We are just being like the Boomers and throwing him under the bus as a casualty for an arc that people didnt like.
We need a Year of Babylon Rogues and I'm not joking
>>575216696does sonic's world not have prisons
>>575216696>a literal gas chamber
>>575215628That's not hoe that works though. They will just be Chaotix tier at absolute best they'll never get used outside of being spinoff roster filler.
>>575216819Can we stop pretending these characters aren't boring as fuck. The extreme gears are the cool thing, not the rogues
>>575216976having a handful of antihero / grey-area personalities that aren't Shadow might be interesting
>>575215774Chadzuka is only hated as a scapegoat because Americans just screech and yell at whoever they pwrcieve as in charge.I call it "Thanks Obama" syndrome.
>>575216976>The extreme gears are the cool thing, not the roguesWhy can't I enjoy characters that are just dicks? It makes for fun interactions.
>>575216608Wow man, you ok?
>>57521710806 was shit and almost killed Sonic
>>575216664>incredibly successful and well receivedBoom wasnt even successful and was only well recieved by tourists and casuals. Prime is very divisive. It has a lot of watches but its a nothing show overall.
>>575217303"me and the other discord pedos didnt like it because it was gay poop on a shit. take THAT lizuka"
>>575216761But it isn't. It's more like he is holding back the autism if anything.>>575216819They cant carry a year. I just want a new people riders game. But we are never gonna get one so long as normies prefer Kartslop.
>>575216832Sonic's World in IDW has prisons for Blobians.SA1 and 2 also had jails and prisons for humans, but that leads to the question of why Eggman hasn't been arrested.
>>575212201>>575212534>The post-Frontiers skip wasn't even a skip, Sage just starts existing as a character in the comics. They basically fucked up the timeskip and made shit even more confusingPic related from Evan's blog on the matter. TL:DR, she just assumed Sega would let her do a timeskip and/or put a hand-wavey author's note about continuity ala how Archie did SA2 (and thus didn't write her IDW run to take Frontiers into account, like the Chaos Emeralds). This already caused enough (minor) backlash that she no longer accepts continuity questions on her blog anymore because "discourse makes me uncomfortable".https://spiritsonic.tumblr.com/post/804790822658850816/ah-seems-i-opened-the-floodgates-im-veryDon't pity her: she stated herself (and Daniel Barnes confirmed) that IDW Editorial and Sega itself had been telling her repeatedly to keep things continuity-light and she largely disregarded them until she couldn't.https://spiritsonic.tumblr.com/post/801755249116430336/idw-sonic-spoilers-for-issue-82-idw-sonic-issue>This is correct; I’ve been asked to aim for shorter, more self-contained stories as they’re more approachable for new readers and easier to repackage. That said, I’m still doing my best to provide a larger conflict that will be slowly built up to as we approach issue #100. I don’t want to spoil the whole thing so I’ll stop explaining the structure here, but like… you’ve seen a TV show before. You’ll figure it out. That makes #81-83 the jumping-on point for this “arc” and one for the book as a whole, so I did a series-staple “Sonic meets a new person in an interesting new location, helps them through leading by example, and moves on” plot.
>>575217240He's probably salty because Sega killed sonally.
>>575217465>I just want a new people riders game. But we are never gonna get one so long as normies prefer Kartslop.I'd give my life for a Tony Hawk/SSX inspired Riders game.Unfortunately, yes, Sega would rather keep chasing Mario Kart than do anything on-brand.
>>575217478>eluded toIlliterate wretch
>>575217252>blaming Iizuka for 06Thanks for proving my point. Naka and Nishiyama were the ones in-charge for 06, not Iizuka.Iizuka, iirc, was a level designer, and the levels were the thing people defend most about 06.
>>575216921As opposed to sonic cheerleading squad? This happens to literally any sonic character, that isn't sonic or shadow.Side media is how sega fleshed out those characters, the chaotix case files is the main example right now, if you're feeling cheeky the murder of sonic the hedgehog helped, idw is there too.
>>575217252>The one Dark Age game Iizuka didn't directly work on, was the one that almost killed SonicAnd no, special thanks doesn't count.
>>575217469Grounding blobians was a mistake.
>>575217478Man, specifically setting IDW after Forces really tanked the entire comic
>>575217175>It makes for fun interactions.No one interacts in Sonic. What is this made up scenario you are advocating for
>>575217465Didn't Iizuka say he was the one who sought out Ian to write Frontiers, and also convinced SoJ to give Taxman and co a chance with Sonic Mania (which admittedly was good)? In that case, it's pretty inarguable that the stronger western influence on Sonic as of late is through Iizuka as a vector as >>575216761 says.
>>575216604>Them not using him isn't a fault of the character.That's not what I said. They used him plenty, the problem is that they wanted him to be a gritty assassin that brutally kills people in a comic series that doesn't allow for stuff like that to happen, especially not under Sega's mandates and being canon. So all he does is talk big while time and time and time again his actions are depicted as woefully incompetent whether it was underestimating Silver, not checking back to make sure his enemies are dead to how looney tunes gag worthy his reveal was at the end of sweepstakes. He's a gag villain they try to prop up as something serious and it never amounts to anything of worth besides another panel of Whisper pissing and shitting herself over a man that has never once been depicted killing anyone. He is a terrible character with a terrible backstory and a function that can't work in this series. Has a knife but his "kills" all boil down to locking his enemies in a room and hoping they die by something else.As a reoccurring villain, he is worth less than the chewed gum at the bottom of my shoe.
>>575217661>As opposed to sonic cheerleading squad?As opposed to interacting with the cast in any meaningful way. Cool it with the Sonic derangement syndrome. Sonic being cool and everyone thinking he is cool is foundational to the series since Sonic 1. I dont get the obsession eith wanting people to piss on him.>>575217661>Side media is how sega fleshed out those characters,No it isn't.
>>575217914This place shitposting aside, I'm glad the book moved into new sonic games, we were stuck in sonic forces for almost 9 years.
>>575217545No anon. You'll get your crossover slop kart racer so long as normies want it, and there's even a half perception that the new Mario Kart didn't land as hard as the previous.
>>575217969I mean, interactions is half of Crossworlds' saving grace. People eat shit up when characters are allowed to actually talk to each other, it's where the whole Auraver vs Future Sage thing came from.
>>575211829Sonic Forces and Sonic Heroes are JAPANESE gameyou faggots are so disingenuous>Team Sonic isn't an organizationBy definition yes it is now shut up
>>575217478>when does Sonic and the Blade of Courage take place in relation to IDW?I believe -I- can take THIS one...
>>575218287>I mean, interactions is half of Crossworlds' saving graceThat was just a ploy to trick idiots into believing something was happening in that game despite it not having any kind of story or campaign mode. Literally the laziest thing they could have done and you all ate it up.
>>575218032>Didn't Iizuka say he was the one who sought out Ian to write Frontiers,I dont remember any such thing and i also dont believe it because it doesnt make sense. Without a doubt, it was prominent people in the fanfom at the time all gathering and collectively saying to hire Ian. >and also convinced SoJ to give Taxman and co a chance with Sonic Mania Yes this happened.>In that case, it's pretty inarguable that the stronger western influence on Sonic as of late is through Iizuka as a vector No, because it started with Sonic 4. Iizuka was against Boom even being made to begin with and had to regularly damage control it. Paramount ignored Sonic Team and Iizuka until fans backlash against the original trailer.Iizuka is not enabling west autism. He is fighting against it best he can within his means, and that means also selectively choosing western figures from the chaff to find the perceived wheat.
>>575218140Starline was a decent villain, Clutch is a boring villain, Mimic is the pinnacle of retarded and overstayed his welcome. The problem is not that they used him, it's that they used him too much and all he was good for was lesbian drama because everyone else could've folded him had Whisper actually reached out for help beyond Tangle. His status as a 'villain' only holds up as long as its against Tangle and Whisper and that got old very fast and he doesn't have the capability to be something more because his motivation is defined by being obsessed with Whisper specifically. He had nothing else going on.
>>575218645>The problem is not that they used him*The problem is not that they DIDN't used him
>>575218491And yet it's the closest this series has been to having a personality in years
>>575218140I think this jist shows the problem with trying to have recurring villains in Sonic to begin with. Eggman works because he is a mastermind makong giant armies or robots and massive feets. Everything else feels like trying to turn Sonic into Spiderman too hard by having a "rogues gallery".>They used him plenty, the problem is that they wanted him to be a gritty assassin that brutally kills people in a comic series that doesn't allow for stuff like that to happen, especially not under Sega's mandatesShadow killed Jackal Squad just fine.Mandates are a meme. Stop using it as a catch all.
For real this place think starline and mimic are dead? does any one of you knows how western comic books work? Dead in general is pretty irrelevant it always get reconnected.
>>575218516>>575218032I found my source on that "Iizuka seeking Ian out" thing:https://www.gameinformer.com/2022/07/14/what-players-should-expect-from-sonic-frontiers-story>"Ian has been working as a comic writer for a long time, so I was very familiar with his work, but after reading the IDW comics, I was even more impressed with his talent," Sonic Team creative officer Takashi Iizuka says. "That's why I wanted to ask him to work on the story for the game as well. He knows the characters well, so he brought a great improvement to the characters' emotions and dialogue."https://www.sonicstadium.org/articles/features/takashi-iizuka-wants-to-connect-the-sonic-universes-and-create-a-unified-sonic-experience-sonic-stadium-interview-r1283/>Takashi Iizuka: We've had lots of different writers involved with the Sonic series for the longest time, but in this day and age it's really interesting as we now have Sonic in games, Sonic in comic books, Sonic in movies... we have lots of different Sonics all throughout the different entertainment mediums for fans to see. And one of the things I really wanted to do is solidify everything, get it all a little tighter in terms of a unified Sonic experience.>So what I wanted to do [with Sonic Frontiers] was make sure that, while the past comic books were its own separate thing, by having Ian Flynn - who's doing the IDW comics - also work with us on the game... it's kind of bringing the comics and the games a little bit closer together, in this unified Sonic experience. It's really all about that unification, to me, and making sure we're putting a very unified version of Sonic out there.
>>575218918>Shadow killed Jackal Squad just fine.This didn't happen on screen, it was implied and offscreen. Shadow's main character function isn't defined by having to kill people as his gimmick, this is the case for Mimic and why it will never work trying to take him seriously. The knife and behavior implied he's supposed to be some brutal killer yet it's not even just offscreen deaths, he's entirely hands off.
>>575218989Oh no, we're fully expecting them to bring back Starline at any moment because every other OC villain has been fucking terrible
>>575218989Nothing and no one stays dead in this series and that's part of its fucking problem. Nothing has consequence. Nothing ever happens.
>>575218989We know Starline is coming back, Mimic is up in the air less due to comic rules and instead reception of being a shit fucking villain that bogged down the oc they're trying to shill into the games
>>575219308It's okay, Iizuka. We all have lapses in judgement of character sonetimes...
>>575219308>Ian has been working as a comic writer for a long time, so I was very familiar with his work, but after reading the IDW comics, I was even more impressed with his talent,I changed my mind, let Iizuka die
>>575217809>Implying Vanilla the Rabbit was a mistake
>>575219627>Nothing has consequence. Nothing ever happens.This wouldn't inherently be a problem except now there's an obsession with "Sonic lore" and constant references.The very moment someone ever suggested supporting a "Sonic timeline" they should have been shot in the head.
>>575219810She genuinely was. Boring ass character. What's the point of being a fantastical creature if you are going to be boring.
>>575219308>He knows the characters wellYeah they don't give a single fuck
>>575219308Unification huh.Yeah next year they're ripping off the bandaid with the mainline game and IDW is gearing up for that with the changes they've done
>>575219717To be fair, a LOT of people had high hopes for the IDW comic until...oh, say, HERE.
>>575219945Prepare to die motherfucker
>>575219914>The very moment someone ever suggested supporting a "Sonic timeline" they should have been shot in the head.very true
>>575219423Megani the jackal was fine on my book, fun villian too, and had a nice design.
Remember when back in 2019 we used to say idw will never be in the games
>>575219353>This didn't happen on screenWho cares?>this is the case for Mimic and why it will never work trying to take him seriously. The knife and behavior implied he's supposed to be some brutal killer yet it's not even just offscreen deaths, he's entirely hands off.I literally don't think it's nearly as important as youre pretending it is.Him getting the DC trapped in a room of Shadow Androids didnt involve him physically stabbing someone. The idea he is willing to set people up into death traps is perfectly fine and appealing. If they pushed him more in that direction, it would be rad.I think youre just a gore fetishist desu.
>>575218989Starline only really works because he is Eggman Jr. He doesn't really work long term as a villain indefinitely. His death at 50 was the perfect send off for him. If they bring him back, his direction as a character cant just be him "being a villain".
>>575220205I literally said the opposite. I also dsid the movies would get in the games too. I was right both times and the seethe has sustained me for years.
>>575220202featureless...
>>575219914>This wouldn't inherently be a problem except now there's an obsession with "Sonic lore" and constant references.This shit all came from the Reboot Archie side btw.Western comicbook fanboy bullshit culture.
>>575220414>his direction as a character cant just be him "being a villain".Eggman's direction is just "being a villain".
>>575220202>villainBut she isn't.Partly because women aren't allowed to be villains in IDW, but mainly because she's an anti-hero at best for wanting to steal back her own items I think, I mostly forgot about this issue
>>575220205Ehh, i'm an archie fan but it was mostly archie fans being salty about the book getting axed.Still, it was actually surprising how important idw became in the end. I mean no only characters got acknowledged. But some actually became game characters with 3d models, being actually playable, and even having japanese seiyuus and official sega merch on their site.Ignoring the whole archie vs idw. Having comicbook characters, is a big deal in general.
>>575219810She only exists to be a damsel in distress for Cream while showing you how much of a little girl she is....and milf porn.I only tolerate her as Cream's specific gimmick rather than as a precedent for anything about how Blobians work as a rule.
>>575219914Execs only see the money the MCU gets with its brand synergy while not seeing how little only decently the comics themselves are doing. When Sonic as an IP collapses under the weight of lore solidarity, we can finally get stories in every media that have meaning again. Hell maybe Sega will give up, say "You do you", and we get Archieverse back even if its just post reboot.
>>575219914>The very moment someone ever suggested supporting a "Sonic timeline" they should have been shot in the head.Canon obsession from terminally-online freaks has ruined gaming franchise discourse so much. I remember when the fandom KIRBY wiki all of a sudden got turbo-obsessed with Canon since loredrops started getting sprinkled in the games as flavor text, then in a more recent interview tge current series director was confused and said there is no defined timeline since things basicallh have to run on reset-button logic for kids to get into longrunning franchises, causing a bigger schism between fandom double-downers and wikirby people. It was so silly.
>>575219717Im convinced Iizuka didnt actually read the comics and was going off of drawings lol.That said, I think its important to recognize how low the bar is for having westoids that are workable for Sonic at all.By that metric, Ian is in fact impressive.The bar is and always was just that much in hell.
My thing is that Archie was mostly finished anyways. If it came back it would just be new stories. I'm not eager for Sol dimension Bunnie.
A unified hello kitty for boys experience.Soon the cereal mascot comes with chocolate chips in your flakes, and maybe a CD videogame inside (programmed in Bangladesh).
>>575220756I wish we could have had this brand synergy when the OCs were cool and not gay and lame
>>575220205>>575220434I regret being so naive, yes. I truly did believe SoJ didn't want it for being gaijin stuff (mostly because they haven't even imported the post-Metal Virus comics to Japan in at least a decade now), but I'm both finding myself eating crow and baffled by the sheer inefficiency on display.
>>575220208>Assassin character runs around with a serrated knife>Threatens characters with said knife>Metal gear referencesI think you're just being willfully ignorant to justify this character. If he was pushed as a character that sets up death traps, then I would agree with you. That could be a decent direction. The problem is, he wasn't. They fully intended him to be the grimdark killer character but this was during the brief time idw wasn't considered canon. His character doesn't have a place here as long as his character function revolved around being a standard assassin and also only being a villain for Whisper. Removing either from his character erases his core identity. You may as well make a new character.
>>575219353Mimic's knife was just symbolic. It was there to show you he is a backstabber, and it wasn't a real weapon.
>>575221046>I'm not eager for Sol dimension Bunnie.Really? That was the story I was looking forwards the most along honey making an appearance in the next arc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onc6SxsHJBA
>>575221184>its not realI refuse to believe this general actually cared enough about Mimic to defend him through hoops like this
Fellow perverts: who's the artist? The typeface made me think of Lilandy, but, that doesn't seem to be the case.
>>575215628>thats for Sonic Team to figure outSonic Team has literally zero interest in using these characters. They're just used as mobile game filler slots because gacha mechanics. For Crossworlds DLC they are not treated like main series character and are advertised as a crossover with the comic book series, and is also for similar reasons. Their slots in the character select for that game are grouped with the Prime characters (outside media promotion), and not with the main series characters.
>>575221004You made me think that there's a non-zero chance that the comics in Japan have different scripts that are better, but a few dedicated fans hate that they deviate from the source. Knowing japan, nothing is done because it would require piracy, but entertaining the idea is amusing enough.
>>575220585No it isn't.That said it isn't relevant. What is relevant is what function Eggman serves and why it matters.Eggman exists and works because him and Sonic's conflict is structural to the series. He makes robots that proflvides enemies for Sonic to fight, comes up with plans that Sonic mus thwart and unleashes creatures and artifacts that creates issues for everyone.And Sonic runs into him and stops himThis works because of themesshit.The problem with nee villains people try to create is they keep having to just be a thing for the cast to just fight and its lame and doesnt work.Watching the characters beat up a guy by itself isn't meaningful or even something we expect to be difficult. Sonic and friends fight concepts, not bad guys.
>>575221341Whoever it is, they need to make those fangs bigger
>>575221084>(mostly because they haven't even imported the post-Metal Virus comics to Japan in at least a decade now)Seriously, what the fuck is keeping them? From what anons posted a few times in the thread, the JP IDW comics don't even rewrite dialogue like JP Frontiers, so literally all they need to do is some cheap MTL translation and get an intern to clean it up.It's not like they're constantly negotiating with the writers, these are years old issues.
>>575221342>They're just used as mobile game filler slots>Crossworlds DLC they are not treated like main series characterAll of this argument hinges on the fact there hasn't been a mainline game since 2022. That same mainline that already showed it'd be willing to give idw characters a go. We got here to this point because of this one line.>inb4 SticksSticks isn't mentioned in jp, Tangle is. Tangle is getting pushed with the brand, Sticks isn't.
>>575221114>I think you're just being willfully ignorant to justify this character.You're the same guy that insists Eggman is RoboHitler, arent you
>>575221373>Eggman exists and works because him and Sonic's conflict is structural to the seriesLet's not get pretentious about this, it was a matter of convenience in this case, not some kind of artistic vision.
>>575221775No sorry. I'm not into gore, I'm not an evil hitler eggman purist, I think it's stupid to think they weren't doing exactly what it looks like with the metal gear assassin character wielding a knife.
>>575221319It doesnt take any energy to do so. Having him just become Sonic Jigsaw or Riddler but PG would have been easy and fun for future stories.Sonic wears MJ Santa boots. Amy wears GogoBoots. Character design in Sonic was always predominantly symbolic.
>>575221649There's like no demand for this product. The latest volume release was just to have the arc fully released. There's no guarantee they'll continue after that. Japanese IDW has never released at a consistent schedule after the first few volumes.
>>575221764>That same mainline that already showed it'd be willing to give idw characters a go.Because Ian shoved the reference in.
>>575222026>Japanese IDW has never released at a consistent scheduleNeither has Western IDW
>>575222026>There's like no demand for this product.There's no demand for Sonic in general in Japan.
>>575221213Reboot bunnie was complete perfection.
>>575221793>pretentious No anon, it is literally structural to the series.Both mechanically and thematically. It goes back to the nature vs tech themes. This is not even an obscure fact.
>>575221764>We got here to this point because of this one line.Those name drop lines do not say anything about Sonic Team's intentions they were just put there because Flynn wanted to and they happened to be approved (exactly like Sticks). He said this himself. It's not like it was some Sonic Team plan to hint at them wanting to use the characters. There hasn't been any main game since but they easily could have been introduced in Crossworlds with character interactions and they didn't do that.
>>575220674>Anti-HeroNo,it was just a coincidence that Valdus was looting artifacts from places to supply his museum, the Chaotix just happened to discover this. Enigma was just there to steal stuff for herself.
>>575221084>>575221649>>575222026Wait, so they're giving a huge push to Tangle & Whisper, featuring them in Crossworlds and shit without even having their mini-series translated to the domestic Jap audience?They're pushing Lanolin and Surge/Kit even though the average SoJ Sonic consumer doesn't know who the fuck they are?Clutch showed up on Tailstube, which IS being translated into Japanese, and that's the first time anyone's gonna ever see him overseas?They're giving these characters new status quos when nobody on the other side of the pacific has even seen their old one What the fuck?
>>575222354>It goes back to the nature vs tech themes.Those themes were irrelevant as soon as the series moved past the Genesis
>>575222006I think its far stupider to think they gave him the knife actually expecting him to use it to stab and kill people, rather than it being for show.Your entire narrative around it in contingent on just thinking they were too retarded to know they couldn't have him do that, which is Duning Kruger tier.
>>575222480Sonic is a western franchise. Sega of America was promised it 30 years ago.
>>575222480>They're giving these characters new status quos when nobody on the other side of the pacific has even seen their old one What the fuck?Welcome to the Sonic experience!
>>575222480>What the fuck?they want their own toybox with crying lesbians, and they aren't interested with sharing with anybody else because [engaged landline noise, dial tone].
>>575220202This is what expected when people design sonic characters hair in their oc's, not wig like human hair.
>>575222205And that reference has exploded far beyond that to the point Sonic Team and Sega are expending resources into these characters. Models, voice actors, Japanese voice actors, pushing them in non-idw content and more. Frontiers may have just been Ian forcing shit, but that is what started the conversation of IDW being canon or not and since then more shit just kept coming.
crying lesbians'how will this sell our product overseas''Product?'
>>575222667SoA literally is the version of Sonic that took off while the Japanese Sonic was never popular, I don't know why this is hard to admit for anons here
>>575222480Daily reminder that the Rivals games never came out in Japan, but all future Sonic media adheres to them as Eggman Nega's backstory and Silver's reintroduction to the series.
>>575222506No they weren't. They only appear to be if your idea of nature vs technology is rooted in shit like Captain Planet instead of Miyazaki films and Godzilla.The nature vs tech stuff is tied to questions of the human heart. That stuff still carries forward and freedom.
>>575222884I guess it worked? Of all idw oc's those are the ones who managed to have a shiton of popular merch.
>>575222576>thinking they were too retarded to know they couldn't have him do thatThey have proven multiple times they are that retarded. There are multiple cases with this very comic where they try and write the characters to do things they can not do and it backfires because they expected fans to fight for them.
>>575222480I'm calling it now: SoA's boundless stupidity will make SoJ finally get fed up and split the game franchise into two major continuities ala East/West Transformers.
>>575222884>Implying Japan doesn't like crying lesbiansYuri is a popular genre.
>>575223096>Yuri is a popular genre.no its not, its a niche genre that has a hardcore following
I like playing Sonic games
I'll be honest with you, I just want Ian to fail.
>>575217469>but that leads to the question of why Eggman hasn't been arrested.Who's gonna arrest him? Fucking GUN? Yeah, that worked out really well the last time.
>>575222506Frontiers is literally the most recent game and uses it.>>575222850Anon, Sticks was used in Sonic Channel comics. It doesnt mean anything. They are just being used as filler here. They have japanese seiyuus because of CrossWorlds and because SoA commissioned them to have Vtubers.
>>575223364>Frontiers is literally the most recent game and uses it.Not at all, you guys are fucking retarded
>>575222850>fire prevention weekDo you guys think that this year they'll do Surge and Kit or have Lanolin?
>>575223054>They have proven multiple times they are that retarded.Anon, they do dumb shit but this is jist you makong up a story so you can pat yourself on the back and feel smart to yourself. There are limits.
>>575222506They're relevant in almost every Sonic game.
>>575223364>Sticks was used in Sonic Channel comicsHow old are those comics you fucking retard. Stop talking like they are relevant.
>>575222850Man, all this east vs west fight, and I'm just here glad, sega is converging everything be east or west, while sega itself does cool shit again.>>575223096Kek, this made me laugh l, because it's true.
>>575223054>because they expected fans to fight for them.Fans DID fight for them, is the thing. It took years for fans to even begin to start turning on Ian, and he still has a bulldog-loyal cult of personality that chariot'd him into Frontiers' writing room.But like, if the guys in Sega's actual IDW employ can barely communicate with the Japanese consistently, did they honestly think foreign consumers even further removed from the work process were gonna be more effective than them?
>>575223096No it isn't. Its lack of purposely is a meme in anime spaces. Its carried by hardcores.>>575223406
>>575223541if you squint maybe
If a character appeared in a Japanese comic they are canon
>>575223364Sure this place likes to blame sega of japan for everything. Not even sega of japan using idw characters convince people here, even the sonic channel is selling stuff.
>>575222320For all the shit the Super Genesis Wave gets, the rebooted Freedom Fighters FINALLY felt like they fit in the Sonic universe rather than sticking out like all the other Western OCs. Looking back, I kind of wish Sega decided to renew the license instead of rebooting AGAIN by jumping licensees. IDW squandered every promise and enshittified the series.
>>575223364>Sticks was used in Sonic Channel comicsAnd that's the only thing she's got besides her appearance in Rio Olympics, both over a decade ago. Compare that to the sheer abundance of things the idw characters are being included in now. They weren't just voice acted in TailsTube, they were in Chaotix Casefiles too which marked the official return of Infinite.Can you really 100% confidently say it means nothing and there's nothing to worry about next year when they drop the next mainline game after all that has happened between it and Frontiers?
>>575223712Please stop being retarded.
>>575223574>while sega itself does cool shit again.Where????
>>575223406You do you not see the blatant theming of the Koco and nature vs the titans and cyberspace as technology? No seriously how do you not see it? The Koco are even where the Ancient's hearts would be when they were alive. The end is trapped inside Supreme. Sage is an AI that gains self awareness.The nature/mysticism v technology/science thing is plain as day.
>>575223781>>575218368
>>575223821>For all the shit the Super Genesis Wave gets, the rebooted Freedom Fighters FINALLY felt like they fit in the Sonic universe rather than sticking out like all the other WesternAt last, a fan who actually has common sense.That's the whole reason archie characters always felt out of place until reboot segafied everything.
>>575223821This ruined them. I can't believe you people are applauding Sega crap. They were all better before they were sanded down.
>>575223890you first
>>575223574yeah, but everything from the west is lame. I don't want it touching the east stuff.This isn't a west vs east debate, it's specifically a Sonic thing and pattern recognition.Sonic west shit just happens to be shit. There's west stuff I like, and east stuff I hate. But with Sonic, almost exclusively the west stuff is all soulless shit.
>>575223545What kind of argument is this? She was used. Sticks ended up in Olympics.
>>575224084nu-uh
there is no canonthere never was a canonthere will never be a canon
>>575224089>this isn't east vs west>proceeds to talk about east vs west.????
>>575223869>And that's the only thing she's got besides her appearance in Rio Olympics,Because she is a vaulted character associated with the Boom brand. IDW are no different. They are a temporary marketing side thing that is cross promoted with.
>>575223781Shade has a manga and isn't canon
>>575224150She ended up in ONE Olympics game OVER TEN YEARS AGO
>>575224089Archie and Sonic Rush Adventure are cooler than anything sega of japan has made
>>575224079but the only thing we lost was sonally
>>575223821
It's funny seeing the SWLU jpfaggots seethe and squeal like swine when they find out that the japanese sonic team LOVES IDW
>>575223821Reboot sally finally looked like a sonic character, instead of a generic furry, so I was fine with it.Some preboot characters thay got axed had new designs too, look at saffron for example.
>>575224286You understood, you purposefully chose to play dumb.This isn't a "Stupid gaijin baka des japan is superior in everything" weeb shit. But Sonic is made by the Japanese. Anything officially handled by western teams is usually soulless yes men that are at the front of the hiring lines cause the original creators have no branches or contacts from the start in America.>>575224415Sonic Rush Adventure was western developed?Well butter my biscuit...
>>575224550i hate the wisps so much guys
>>575218516>Paramount ignored Sonic Team and Iizuka until fans backlash against the original trailer.Didn't Sega force them to do Two Worlds since they still had Forces-brain (then mercurially changed their mind long after it was too later), and forced Paramount to choose "either Sonic is a kid, or Sonic is the deutergonist to a character he inspires" among other plot guidelines?
>>575224598What kind of person are you? IDW is shit. Why would you root against the people who want Sonic to be more like the adventure era?
>>575224639>This isn't a "Stupid gaijin baka des japan is superior in everything"Yes it is.
>>575224631...w-wearing nothing?!...
>>575224598Will they kill themselves when Tangle and Whisper appear in Frontiers 2?
>>575224752Adventure era was a mistake, classic and SATAM were the best.
>>575224741Yes. One of the few hard rules Paramount has to follow is that Sonic is an alien. They mentioned it in several interviews now.
>>575224598>>575224631Th-thanks, Tracy Yardley sama....
>>575224412Why does this matter? The pattern is the same. The series was in the shutter in general back then.
>>575224752>Why would you root against the people who want Sonic to be more like the adventure era?Why can't you accept that that era is gone and is never coming back?You sound like a Classicfag right now. You've become the very thing you hate.
>>575224797I hope so. Weeaboos are the lowest fucking goycattle. They're not even worthy of being called goys. Weeaboos are god damn livestock.
>>575224779If it was made in America, then the original creators would have more of a handle on teams in America and Japanese extensions of the franchise would be souless.Blossomfag isn't here, but PPG is the best example I have of the opposite effect.Powerpuff Girls Z is fucking soulless as shit and no one cared. They just like it cause the girls were cute.
>>575223781Both Tangle and Whisper, and others, have appeared in Japanese IDW
>>575224598>SWLU out of nowhere.
Don’t forget that Surge loves Sonic
>>575224639why people tend to ignore sega of japan literally, watch, review and approve literally everything, sega of america isn't in charge, sega of japan is.takashi lizuka, sonic team higher up and productor, was even a main panelist in San Diego comiccon in idw right now.
IDW fans just want everything to be vulnerable little cutie pies
>>575224998We're having a constructive conversation, can you go one thread without a meltdown?How fragile are you?
>>575224961At least classicfags are technically right. Sonic was at its best during that beautiful early era. The 90s were truly amazing. Adventurefags are literally worshiping the downfall of the series and gassing it up as bone tingling "THING, JAPAN ludokino!!1!!" It's like zoomers trying to argue that post-911 america was good at all. It's mind boggling. You can only believe this delusion if you don't know what it was like before.
>>575225035This
>>575224327Can you really 100% confidently say it means nothing and there's nothing to worry about next year when they drop the next mainline game after all that has happened between it and Frontiers?
>>575224631Man, such a nice design wasted thanks to penders, I will always hate that guy.
>>575224961NTA, but past the Adventure era, we didn't really have much. We suffered through a decade of meta era before entering the shit Ian Flynn era we're in now. The series has been kinda shit for a decade and a half.
>>575224961Oh, but it worked for them so maybe he should be as obnoxious and aggressive as they were, until he gets what he wants. Try to make sure no one has an enjoyable time with this series again without being shamed for it
The adventure era was better than the classic era. Classic fags don't even like Sonic and can't wrap their heads around Shadow
Twitter drama is stupid and Iizuka doesnt care about what a tranny Shadow fan says
>>575225226>The 90s were truly amazing.Until 1995, lol
>>575225197Approval isn't making it themselves.It just means good enough.It wasn't their ideas, but they need a product.
>>575225226The Adventure games are great and beloved.>The 90s were truly amazing.Indeed, all the main series Sonic games from that time are wonderful.
>mania was the best sonic game made since S3&K>all the noteworthy romhacks, fangames, etc. are 2D classic style games (spark, freedom planet)>adventurefags are too untalented to make their own fangames proving 3d sonic can workClassicfags literally won. Reminder that the GOD who makes Spark the Electric Jester not only made amazing 2D games, he tried his hand at 3D games and proved that classicfags can make a better 3D sonic game than adventurefags.How are adventuresissies not on suicide watch? I'd be on a 5150 if I were them.
>>575224961>Why can't you accept that that era is gone and is never coming back?Blame Blade of Courage. It's given people false hope for emulating that dead era's tone.
>>575225395At this point, it honestly feels like Adventure/Modernfags hate Classic Sonic more than Classicfags hate Modern Sonic.
>>575225713this boring ass comic is nothing like the adventure era
>>575225735I hate classic Sonic because he looks like a gay baby. Modern Sonic does cool adventure stuff so I like him better.
>>575225713As much as I like blade of courage, thinking it had the same tone of the adventure era is bonkers.The Manga is mostly visual gags.
>>575225713BoC isn't really like the Adventure era though. It also just introduced its own version of the Deadly Six.
>>575225735Classicfags are the only ones that hate anything that came after a paltry 6 years of the franchise's debut. Modernfags just prefer modern, they usually still play classic.
>>575225612Hardcore revisionism. The adventure games had a mixed reception. They only became "great and beloved" by everyone once nostalgia goggles kicked in and only after sonic went to total shit in the 2010s onwards.Here's an oldfag (the guy who founded SAGE) talking about some of this:https://blazehedgehog.tumblr.com/post/754281047011786752/what-do-you-think-of-the-idea-that-youtubers-in
>>575213065I think it's crazy that there are still people here trying to debate it. Sonic Rumble is a mobile game, but it is a Sonic Team game, produced by Iizuka and promoted in Japan just like Sonic Runners. They have included characters and idw arcs that Japan have no idea about and are promoting them in their content. Fyi, the idw characters are not treated as crossover characters in Rumble like other franchises and the movies/prime.
>>575225691Freedom Planet takes heavily from the 3D Sonic games, despite being 2D, the game design and story have more in common with 3D games. Spark is mostly a 3D series with Sonic Adventure inspired gameplay, no one ever talks about Spark 1. Mania is a rehash, a fun one but still nothing more than a copy of the old games. Sonic Adventure, Sonic Adventure 2, Unleashed and even Superstars are way more interesting.
>>575225735Both are stupid fags.
Hot take: Blade of Courage would be a better story if Sonic wasn't in it
Sa1 and SA2 barely ever tried to be funny. They were more interested in being cool. Blade of Courage tries really hard to be emotional and funny. It's just IDW with humans
>>575225713I was so happy with Blade of Courage, but it's pacing and direction has become downright fucking bizarre. And with the newest one suddenly changing the entire story to the bad guys being discount zeti (I didn't know you could go below discount Bowser) and throwing in Sonic characters, and the brown girl is gone,it's clear Sega stuck their thumbs into the story after their classic habit of instant knee jerk reaction from a couple people leaving comments on social media and doing back flips to satiate 2% of the audience instead of letting something play out as planned.
>>575225998Critical reception was generally pretty good, but "Sonic had a rough transition to 3D" faggotry (by non-Sonic fans) liked to kick that reception in the teeth.
>>575226248>the brown girl is gone,Say sike right now
>>575225998I already read that guy's shitpost when it was new. Some narrative-pushing faggot sharing some alleged anecdotes from his childhood doesn't erase the actual history and reception. Disregarding people's perspective as "nostalgia goggles" is also extremely disingenuous.
>>575213065IDW was kino before despite its flaws, but nu-sonic fans want everything to be sanded down slop for grey goo pig people. The metal virus arc was amazing and so was the metal sonic and scrapnik island sidestory
>>575226124This is like saying the Knuckles show would be better if it was just the humans
>>575223821>>575224548>Ian would've been stuck hatewriting mandated Sally until he snapped and kamikazed SoA headquartersThe Good Ending...
>>575226340Metal Virus doesn't really count since it's actually a recycled Archie plot.
>>575226341Honestly, it would be
>>575226330They defeated the main monster early and after that with no explanation, she's been missing for the last 3 chapters. I guess her story is resolved.
>>575226340Do you just like Uwuver and Sonic being weirdly vulnerable and annoying got itYou're just as bad as Satam fags
If you don't like JP Sonic then you don't like Sonic
I don't even get this whole idw debate, it already happened, whats left to bitch about when idw already converged with the actual games In literally every sonic official media?Right now rumble added idw stuff, while sega of japan is already using those characters for marketing.Some people here think They can stop something that already happened.Is is good or bad?, thats debatable, but you can always be damn sure no-one will be fully happy with it this franchsise has way to much shit to deal with right now.While everything here always get reduced into lame western social politics, talking about sonic the fucking hedgehog of all things.
>>575226720even Japan doesn't like Sonic then lol
>>575226775The problem with idw is that it's completely ooc and replaced the characters with Tumblr versions of themselves
>>575226505I want the next Mario game being Luigi gets hurt during a normal level of platforming and the rest of the game is Mario second guessing himself and having extended internal dialog that is unskippable between every level.
>>575226124Elaborate. Would you read a Sonic-less BoC manga with just Yuuta?
>>575225226Post 911 US pop culture was awesome.
>>575226919The mario movies were literally this and nintendo is making more mario movies because they sell gangbusters
>>575226775Writers bitching always goes along too.
>>575226867Sonic games are more popular in Japan than Sonic comics are in the west. Using this argument is worse for the comics.
>>575225735I am an Adventure kid and I've always loved the 16 bit games since I started playing them at around 13. I also like Mania and Superstars. What I hate is not Classic Sonic, it's this obnoxious attitude of hate around the series. I like that Mania and Superstars exist, I do not like that they exist because the series got split into 2 different brands to appease the absolute retards who hate the series bu want to nostalgiafag a couple games to claim superiority to everyone else while disrespecting the creators of those games.
>>575227016Oh my god, you're right.Oh my god...I didn't know cause why would you watch that? How did you sit through that to know?
>>575226964I don't even read it with Sonic in it so probably not, I'm just saying from what I've seen Sonic's presence doesn't really add anything unless you are already invested in the character
>>575227121Imagine trying to hate something without actually watching it and understanding deeply WHY you hate it.You can't criticize something unless you experience it
I only like the adventure era. The classic games look gay and then meta era games are corny shit with millenial humor. Im okay with the movies as baby cartoons. All the comics are shit. Every western cartoon is absolute shit except Prime which is just ok.
>>575227126>I don't even read it, I'm talking out of my assOk
>>575227126Sonic's a cool mentor character that does DBZ fights.That's a pretty good addition for a shonen manga.
>>575227071>Sonic games are more popular in Japan than Sonic comics are in the west.what is this false dichotomy you are creatingthat's not the argument being made
Both the Resistance and the Restoration suck dick. Amy and Knuckles aren't supposed to be the fucking president and general of a nation/army, that's fucking stupid. It's like if the President or the G.U.N. commander from the games were fucking 15 year olds. Retarded, doesn't fit the tone, and makes no sense in-universe. If Pontac/Graff wrote Black Knight then Sonic would have spent half the game figuring out the fucking tax policy of Camelot.
>>575227220reddit spacingAnd I did watch it! I had it pirated. I could not sit through it enough and skipped around. It physically hurt to watch.And wait, didn't every who watched it also say it sucked?Pretty sure people only watched it cause it was Mario and no other reason.
Retards be like>Sega mandates won't let us show where Shadow livesYou're a retard if this is an issue for you
>>575227319They didn't write the story
>>575227460He lives with Blackwood and they have gaysex
>>575227071Finish school
>>575224791Sorry lad she's supposed to use spats but her colors make it harder to see.
>>575227460Archie characters are actual real characters with motivations, personalities, character flaws. Windfag writing is having Sonic and Shadow just be blank slate plot devices that exist as corporate mascots to sell things to toys based upon vibes.People will still be talking about archie sonic 100 years from now, but they will not be that concerned with the "in-game characterization of sonic during sonic heroes"
>>575227319It's some bullcrap to block the freedom fighters from whom were actually good for that role to ever appearno fun allowed with sega corporations
>>575227460If your story is revolving around Shadow's house, you're already off the mark.They're not thinking about the right series if they're writing Sonic and trying to work in their day jobs or living styles. This is why IDW is so not Sonic, villains should not be museum curators or jesters with parental issues.
>>575227717Archiefags be like this chapter is shit unless they have shipping
>>575226775Takashi lizuka is gonna be the main idw panelist too in comiccon, Alone
>>575227717Reddit spacing>The cool fighting mascot characters shouldn't be cool fighting mascot characters. I need to see them cry and go to a therapist.
>>575227717Sonic Heroes had a better story than any Archieshit comic
>>575227798Mario has been shown to have a romantic interest in peach and rosalina (before nu-nintendo reduced him to a basedboy cuck)
My wife is giving you paid food, you take it, or you make her hanging eating alone.
>>575227259Fuck off, I read a few pages here and there when they are posted
>>575227973Ross was shown to have a romantic interest in Rachel in friends.
>>575227717You never liked Sonic. You like Archienic
JP Sonic = jerking penis sonic
>>575227275>Sonic's a cool mentor character that does DBZ fights.That's not the appeal of Sonic's character.
Shut the fuck up. culture war faggot
Classicfags don't like the games. They hated Superstars the moment it was announced simply for not being made by le Memia team. I like Classic Sonic, so it upsets me that the only reason that branch of the series exists is to appease people who don't like Sonic games. Great games like Mania and Superstars are wasted on that ungrateful audience
Infinite got a new alternate outfit, cursed samurai.
>>575228205Being fast and coolthe antithesis of Sonicyou're right, I'm a fucking idiot.
>>575227275Honestly, not that original
US Sonic = ultra sloppy sonic
The best Archie Sonic artist has become a woman
>>575228229Superstars is genuinely ass though
>>575228226...are you shouting at yourself?
EU Sonic = erect uterus sonic
>>575228342Diana Skelly was always a woman.
>>575227460Dude, that was like 11 years ago. Let it go.
>>575228441I am shouting at the culture war faggot.
Why the west is obsessed with USA politics, be positive or negative, no matter which side are you on, is always so tiring to hear it.Is worst when they try to hide it into a writer rant.
Adventure fags/JP fags are the Argentina of the Sonic fanbase.Sore losers. Dirty playing people. No honor.
>>575228528which one?
>>575228573oh would you prefer we bring up jews unprompted instead you disingenuous nigger
>>575225197I suspect the lore team is lying to Sonic Team by telling them that the fans in the west want Amy’s love for Sonic to be suppressed and that fans in the west also want her to be calm and level-headed
>>575227251You don't like Sonic
>>575228583If we're losers then why do we have the only good Sonic content?
>>575228061You glanced at it for a bit and came to an inaccurate conclusion
>>575227557My bad.
Sparky, tell me about that Silver fangame you had in mind.I remember you wanted to use TWEWY and NeoTWEWY as an inspiration. What chu cooking up?
>>575228768Nah, it's accurate.
>>575228736>adventure>good
>>575228830nu-uh
>>575228674In a fucking sonic thread of all things?, be at least aware. You have a whole specific board to rant about it.
>>575227973>rosalina?? I think you meant PAULINE.
>Sonic Adventure 2 is bad because it has a serious story>Sonic Rush is bad because it doesn't emphasize rolling into enemies>Sonic Unleashed is bad because it has combat and long stages>Sonic 4 is bad because it has "inaccurate physics" and lacks "momentum">Sonic Superstars is bad because it has long bosses>Freedom Planet does all of the above BUT it had no involvement from Sonic's actual developers and creatives therefore it's goodSome people just want excuses to hate Sonic Team
these people shouldn't be allowed to use the same internet as me
>>575225198They dont actually talk about the comic. They just mine it for screenshots on social mediam
Aight those retards are back. guess I'll leave for a while
If sa2 is serious then loony tunes back in action is serious
>>575228871now who's being the sore loser?
>>575228803>he thinks Sparky actually produces thingsLOLLMAO
>>575228908What does that boot taste like?
>>575225261Why would I be "worried"? I dont have a horse in the race. If it did happen, im not gonna start seething or anything. This is just what I sincerely believe.
>>575229013Does Loony Tunes Back in Action's plot involve a child dying?
>>575228947They aren't on the same internet as you. This isn't hosted on any social media website you use Tiktokfag.
Tails!
>>575228714 (me)And I suspect Sonic Team gullibly believes the lore team
>>575228830You said Blade of Courage would be better if Sonic wasn't in it. You also said you don't even read BoC. That's retarded. BoC is very formulaic, and that formula in nearly every chapter revolves around showing Sonic's speed and eccentric personality. The overall premise is that a slow normal boy has his life changed by meeting and collaborating with Sonic. Without Sonic there is no story in this manga>>575229156?
>>575229186Bugs shoots and kills a child before they turn.
>>575225691>mania was the best sonic game made since S3&KReviewed worst than SA2 lol
I love boys!
>>575229029>I should program a websiteI wonder how yesterday's wiki anon is doing>>575229213Peak boy
>>575228714>suspect the lore team is lying to Sonic Team by telling them that the fans in the west want Amy’s love for Sonic to be suppressed What are you talking about? Amy loves for sonic was never this high before, right now even sonic is accepting those feelings little by little. She just does other things, while still loving sonic.Sonic rejecting some advances is mostly a gag, when the guy is even getting Jealous for Amy passing the time with shadow.
>>575228987Sorry we ruined your safe space.
>>575229386SA2 literally had paid reviews boosting it, SA2B is it's actual score
>>575225735Adventure erafags worship Classic more than Classicfags do really. Genuine Classickino purists are rare. Most of the so called Classicfags are just 90sfags pretending to stan Classic Sonic just to shit on anything past 1995.
>>575229156Stop replying to obvious bait. Nobody ever seriously defends Sonic 4.
>>575229446Pregnant Tails
>>575229459Yeah!
>>575228714>>575229254This has felt really obvious for a while. They claim they want "one Sonic" for the world, but they very clearly keep introducing new content AS THEY SAY THIS (this was specifically said in response to blowback from the new bios) and I'm pretty sure they're just telling SoJ whatever they need to hear so they can do whatever they want.>>575229468Fuck off, Chris. No one is buying it.
>>575229571>Nobody ever seriously defends Sonic 4.I don't think you realize where you are
>>575229386>>575229509Reviews aren't real and taking them seriously is stupid>>575229446Boys deserve love
>>575229571As a Screw Attack Convention fan, I think you're an asshole.
S3&K was voted the best game here.Adventure fags lost.
>>575229692>Reviews aren't real and taking them seriously is stupidYou sexualize children, don't talk to me
>>575229446Pedofaggot
>>575229692:D
You are now aware that Sonic Adventure 2 and the Loony Tunes movie have the same plot structure right down to Daffy and Bugs having super transformations and fighting to protect earth in a spaceship
>>575229571>>575229673I think a distinction needs to be made here whenever this comes up. Sonic 4 Episode I is poopy doodoo. Episode II is fine. It made me wish we actually got Episode III because it seemed like they were figuring it out pretty quickly between the two. The physics, level design, and music were all significantly improved by the second one.
>>575229780S3&K is Adventure zero, we won.
I'm just posting a cartoon foxA cute meme foxAnd some people are getting upset over itYou really can't please everyone
Drawfag here, I hate black people
>>575230026Thanks anon, very cool
>>575229805>>575229827agreed, should be posting Cream.
>>575228714>>575229646>>575229254>writers are getting away with it, tricking the multimillion dollar company in their Really evil ways.I really wish you guys heard yourselves.
>>575229571I wasn't even "defending" Sonic 4 in that post. Freedom Planet doesn't have le accurate physics. If you're going to hate Sonic games for doing the same things Freedom Planet does, then you're a hypocrite for ignoring those same things in Freedom Planet>>575229830He's so cute <3
>>575227717>all these seething repliesDamn the archiefag really set off the adventurefags kek
>>575230026draw white people
>>575225998>The adventure games had a mixed receptionDude, no one had internet back thrn except a minority of uppermiddleclass computer nerds. Its not reflective of actual audience sentiment.
>not even a day later, people already hate the new Sonic XG demo>nuXG's Boost Mode mechanic is worse than Advance 2/3'sKekI wanna bash their heads in for these Genny diehards trying to steal from Sonic Advance again.
>>575230151This general is infested with right wingers who literally believe the US government is oppressed by dirt poor iranian sand people and that white women (the most privileged group in human history) are oppressed by trannies. It's ideologically consistent with the retarded shit they believe
>>575230012True
>>575230290>Its not reflective of actual audience sentiment.That's like saying "um actually eberyone loved 06 because me and my friends in 5th grade loved it!"sybau
Classic Sonic is good and cool
>>575230357You’re just as bad as krack, kys
>>575230290>uppermiddleclass computer nerdsSo the smartest group of people this world had to offer? Yeah no shit, people who were online during the 90s were smarter than the post-smartphone and post-indian invasion literal apocalypse that we are currently living in.
>>575230467That's not Classic Sonic, that's just Sonic. Classic Sonic is a modern invention
>>575227717thisI love Archie Team Dark, so much better than the game version
Epic>>575230532No it has been a thing since they changed stuff in 1998>but le mega collection box artSonic Team treating them as the same thing is not the same as them actually being the same
>>575226340MetalVirus wasnt actually particularly good. People just reacted to it strong because thr bar was in hell and it was "relatable" because of the pandemic.
real schizo hours
>>575230398That sentence actually reflects me pretty well.Something I've noticed with autists is that they absolutely hate the concept of things not being able to be measured and there needs to be a value to everything even though that's not how reality works.So they take review scores like gospel. That number is VERY important to autismos.
>>575230554Anyone who likes Archie Team Dark hates Shadow and doesn't understand him
Liking Adventure is indian coded
>>575230743Metal Virus was awesome until the Zeti showed up
>>575230467Nah, Sonic games just aren't good. Reviewers said so, it must be true. The only "good" Sonic games are Generations and Mania because they prove Sonic was never good
>>575230824I hate current Shadow, yes
>>575230824Archie Shadow and Movie Shadow are a better character than game shadow who LITERALLY "loves nothing" and just exists as an empty void that goes "muh maria"Even the later games (SxShG) retcon this. Sonic heroes immediately soft retconned this by having him forget all his memories. Not even the games believe shadow is a good character outside of his SA2 arc (where he was meant to die and be a one-shot character)
>>575230918Has there ever been a single person in the history of mankind that actually believed this lol
>>575230824Shadow will never fuck you you dumb slut
>>575230106artist? and so help me if it's AI
Blaze the Cat should be able to do this in the 2D Sonic fighting game that will never be officially made.
>>575231093it's not ai, you can tell that clearly.but it was on the booru
>>575227251I dont understand how someone can hate the Classic are while liking Adventure. Then again, I was shocked to learn most people didnt actually watch Dragonball like I did and only watched Z.I dont think its possible to really apreciate the Adventure era without playing and appreciating the classic era
Tailsy
>>575231058Jeff Gerstmann is the only sonic hater who was right and sincere in his dislike.
>>575230647>No it has been a thing since they changed stuff in 1998Yeah that's when they ruined the series and it's never been the same since :/ They should have killed the series off in 1994 back when all the games were still completely identical to one another with no differences whatsoever, in order to preserve its perfect purity and Quality>>575231058Unfortunately, yes
>>575231221>I dont think its possible to really apreciate the Adventure era without playing and appreciating the classic eraSA2 has fuck all to do with the genesis games and that's the one people actually like. SA1 is a hipster pick.
>>575227717No...Archie characters are general representations of the idea of "person'.A character doesnt need any of that shit to be a character.
>>575230915Nah the Zetis elevated the Metal Virus storyline. they should've showed up earlier.
>>575231246https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xXjIW5899c
>>575231351Tailsbro I'm not in the mood :P
>>575231221No mr. anon.we hate "Classic"Classic is not Sonic that came out before Sonic Adventure, but is the name of the fake nostalgic Sonic that never actually existed but is a trap for fake Sonic fans.There never was a "classic" Sonic back then. The art style naturally evolved into Adventure, Adventure Sonic and Sonic 1 Sonic are the same thing.Classic is a personification of a misconception.
>>575227717Nobody actually talks about the actual characterization of archie characters. There are tones of videos and essays about Sonic's characterization as well as the game cast.Archie has 1 dude who was paid to do it.
>>575196710>Rouge does it just fine for Team Dark.Rouge isn't a straightman. The fact that she actively gets the two into trouble illustrates this.
>>575231465The Zeti have never elevated anything in their entire fucking lives. Dork ass characters that only dorks like.
>>575231221This is how I've always felt too
>>575230298>Sonic XGWait, didn't that got cancelled and leaked years ago?
>>575228714Obviously
>>575231368>SA2 has fuck all to do with the genesis gameshaha... you outed yourself.how embarrassing.
>>575231221>>575231565No, I unironically hate classic Sonic. I don't like Sonic Mania or Sonic 2. I don't like classic Sonic. It isn't what I'm into. I like the more anime stuff from Sa1 and 2. I don't feel the need to pretend I like them to be a real fan. They aren't interesting to me.
>>575230990Power uhhhh Cunny
>>575229468>What are you talking about? Amy loves for sonic was never this high before, right now even sonic is accepting those feelings little by little.I cant believe there are people that still buy into this fanfic narrative not supported by the actual material.I hate shiptards so much.Proving my point about it being perceived more as will-they won't they now than before.
>>575231771>muh superadventure super sonic and genesis super sonic are not the sameone has red eyes and the other has blue eyes
>>575230161Why did Spade rape her?
>>575231565>There never was a "classic" Sonic back then. The art style naturally evolved into Adventure, Adventure Sonic and Sonic 1 Sonic are the same thing.Classic is a personification of a misconception.What a load of horseshit. You 2000sfags just want to feel validated for liking those games even when they're clear deviations from the original presentation of the series. You can't be purists because the only ones that can are the Classicfags, so you try to force this "natural evolution" bullshit to justify your liking of these games
>>575231775Oh. Well then they're projecting you over everyone that likes Adventure, which is retarded.
>>575231565>The art style naturally evolved into Adventure,ST held an internal contest to specifically to make Sonic cooler and that led to his Modern incarnation. How is that natural?
>>575229509Nice conspiracy theory lmao. Whats more accurate to say is the game no longer had consolefag momentum boosting it. But thats true for most major titles anyway.
>>575231879
>>575231938How is that NOT natural?
>>575231038I wonder who's behind this post?
>>575231905>pictured: a designed that looks completely different than modern classic Sonic.I can't argue with blind and stupid so I guess it ends here.
>>575229780Adventure was second place though. As it turns out, Advebtuefans dont hate classic and have respect for the era.
>>575232016>Whats more accurate to say is the game no longer had consolefag momentum boosting itliterally the same sentiment
>>575231535No, I've accepted it now, this is how Sonic Team views the series. In order to preserve the purity and respect deserved by the original games, Sonic Adventure has to be the start of a brand new series that has nothing to do with what came before it, so as to not taint the perfect image of Classic Sonic. Modern Sonic is a brand new series, a reboot with no ties to anything before it, and also a shitty prototype of the now-perfected Boost gameplay found in Sonic Forces and Shadow Generations. All Classic Sonic games play the same and all Modern Sonic games play the same. This is what Sonic Adventure was always meant to be
Modernfags want to be purists so badly it's hilarious. >"Noooo these newers fans don't understand the REAL Sonic!!!"Take a look in the mirror dude lmao
>>575232016Also the gamecube ports of both Adventure games sucked dick.SA2 less so, and for reasons I don't expect magazine reviewers to pick up on.
>>575231898Rape is how you write a good story unironically.Deltarune is what sonic WISHES it could be. Everything about it.The vagueposting and theorycrafting the fanbase does.The fanart it gets.The OCs people make.The people who ship the main character the primary love interest (noelle).Deltarune is the modern equivalent of the sonic fandom. Amy Rose wishes she could force a relationship with sonic on some level.
>>575232061That post didn't even mention Shadow busting a nut in Sally
>>575229571OMOMOL defends it and Cybershell recently soften his opinion on Sonic 4 in a recent upload.Also Superstars is quite literally a quiet attempt to make Episode III with Oshima back and Sonic Team having the Retro Engine and documentation.
>>575229840No they didn't. Where does the Blue Monkey diamond fit into SA2? Or Area 51?
Even Sonic 06 is better than the classic games
>>575232254>my face when toby hit me with an uno reverse card and turned me from a raper into the rapedbravo tobias
>>575232204>and also a shitty prototype*and also Sonic Adventure is a shitty prototype>>575232238If it's different from Sonic 1 then it's not real purism
>>575232254Deltarunefags can't stop interjecting Deltarune into every conversation.I don't care if the doe did revenge reverse rape!I want AMY to do that! Tell me how to get that!
>>575232298Cybershell softened up to it because he realized just how worse the game industry became. It's also a big reason why people are softer on sonic 2006.Sonic 4, back when it released, was truly terrible in contrast to the rest of the game industry. Now? It's just slightly bad compared to the dog water slop that the normies slurp up with a smile.
>>575231725Yes but people are talking about the reboot one by the Sonic Legends devs
Why is so hard to understand that the old internet hates you so much adventurefags?
>>575232468Amy must get stronger.
>>575232496What does the plane mean?
>>575232496Heheh... that image is pretty good.Except it's a twitter screencap, prepare to have your scrotum pulled out by fishing wire.
>>575230743>there are Sonic fans who died of an actual virus mid-MetalVirusF.
>>575232426Anon those things are BLATANTLY in SA2
>>575232254Did someone say RAPE?
>>575232254But the story in Freedom Planet 2 isn't good....
>>575232468I can't prove it but I know toby is a huge sonicfag. There's so much shit that only a MASSIVE sonic autist would put into that game and undertale.
>>575230176People can't even notice obvious bait anymore.
>>575232664HOLY
>>575232682waait wait wait...what are they ACTUALLY referring to, no way this is about sex
>>575230398I dont even like 06 and think its shit but evidently this is correct given all the people coming out the woodwork saying they liked it.We were just terminally online people getting out opinions off shock jockeys online who wanted follows and had a narrative to push about 3D sonic.>>575230527>smartest groupThese people weren't smart. This is like getting a DnD player and saying he is a literary expert.This was the era of Plinket reviews and AVGN and Nostagia Critic where everyone took anything on a screen as being authoritative.There are fandom memes TO THIS DAYS that are jist people repeating shit people said online in the late 90s and early 2000s and just treating it as fact because its been repeated enough times.
Reminder that Sonic Forces ends with them saying that they'll definitely meet Classic Sonic again at some point>>575232682It's not Sonic therefore it's good. That's how it works apparently
i view adventure designs and 3d as ultimately necessary, if the series forever stuck with classic and 2d it would eventually die.that being said theres some details lost on classics due to primitive 3d limitations that they haven't restored yet in 3d. i wish they would actually try to take advantage of better 3d modelling for the designs now.
We won't get good stories again because American writers are too self conscious to write anything edgy for kids They need to make it make fun of itself or have therapy speak
>>575232575>WHY>WON'T>YOU>DIEBecause we hold onto the last bastion of actually good Sonic games.We hold the truth.You cope, settling with what you're given.We refuse. We won't accept anything less than what Sonic deserves!We are the hope for the future!
>>575232664I don't know the context of this, explain
When you think about it, rape is common in war, so some mobians DEFINITELY raped a few overlanders during the Great War. There was also a war in sonic forces so you know rape happened there too.
>>575232892Metal Virus was edgy as fuck and you fags are STILL crying about it
>>575232969It was therapy speak. Therapy speak during the virus. Every time they talk about it it's therapy speak. It isn't even trying to be cool just therapy for transgender people
>>575230532Correct!>>575230786This>>575230915That was the part where it got good lol.Everything prior is just watching the characters do something and fail for issues on end and remake depressed faces while zombie apocalypse cliches get rolled out.The only thing else that was good about it was Starline.
Very suddenly fast thread, samefagging replies, astrosurfing darkagefaggotry agenda.Yep, it's botting time.
>>575232923More like the hopeless lol
>>575232947why isn't there a version of Forces where the avatar just rapes Eggman and Infinite?
>>575232892I know bringing up deltarune is a faux pas but it's fascinating to me how edgy toby is and how it shows in his works, but how un-edgy the deltarune fanbase is. DR/UT are good because they're edgy. And old sonic was great because it was edgy (eggman fire bombing angel island, SA1 flooding the city and eggman nuking the city, SA2 with child death, shadow the hedgehog with guns, etc.)I guess toby is spiritually japanese.How do you make a good story for sonic? Make it edgy enough but still subtle, but not over the top to where it feels edgy.
>>575233183So the movies are good since there's a death in each
>>575233183>I guess toby is spiritually japanese.Japan didn't invent edgy shit you noodle sucker
Edgy this, edgy that
>>575231038>Movie ShadowActs like GameShadow. You people legit dont realise that Shadow can acr exactly the same but if he is sad about Maria you will act like he is a different character.>>575231038>game shadow who LITERALLY "loves nothing" and just exists as an empty void that goes "muh maria"You sure like makong up thongs to be upset about.
Tailsbro what's your opinion on Mariotehplumber?
>>575232682hahaha... the story was so bad that he added classic back in an update.But I think you're insane if you think is dialog is an allegory for rape.
>>575233294>Acts like GameShadowNo he doesn't.
>>575233275yes yes, go back to your quirky adventure series with romantic triangles for young adults (15 year olds).
>>575232451>reverse rapeThat's how you know tricky toby's a real honest to god freak (complement). Normies can will only go as far putting rape in for drama, but only people who truly understand power, dynamics, and how enjoying bad things can corrupt will write reverse rape.It's kino of the highest caliber. A shame about the rest of the story
Goooo Tails!
I WILL RATE YOUI WILL RATE EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF YOU
>erm older sonic games were just unfairly bulliedyou guys are actually pathetic
Why are classic games so garbage?
thread is moving faster today than it has all week
>>575231368SA2 is fine but what makes it truly amazing is how all the characters get used in the story coming off their stories and arcs from the previous games.Tails' writing in SA2 is a perfect example.I dont think you can really fully apreciate Amy without knowing her shtick from SA1 which itself is built off of her story from CD.Knuckles learning to have friends after his shtick in Sonic 3.The emerald lore and the echidnas and chaos tying to Gerald's research.Etc etcHell, even GUN plays off of how the emeralds were said to be used for weapons of war in Sonic 1 manual.SA2 feels like "Sonic The hedgehog: The Movie" in that respect.Even Shadowz you have no basis to apreciate Shadow as a threat of you have no frame of anything Sonic has been through prior.Knuckles' duty to the Master Emerald doesnt even make sense without prior games to explain it.
>>575233683No, no, I understand now, they were right, Sonic was never good, we just like bad games and we should hate ourselves for it, this is le truth because some meme said so
>Hey, I'm gonna see how the sonic general is doing>see thread >starts as a cute post about sonic rumble adding idw content.>reads further.Idw rants about the clean sweep arc and the diamond cutters as charactersReads further>rants about specic characters being badly Portrayed>reads furtherBecomes a really biased east vs west fight>reads furtherBecomes a political tumblr tier rant about writers getting in their way of the multi-billionare compañy.Reads furtherEnds up in a political fight talking about jews and ideologies, that could make /pol/ blush.Man sure this place is funny, and im here posting about sonic the hedgehog.
>>575232930Artist use to draw Sonic characters and her OCs in proship (based) situations and tumblr mobbed her for it.The OCs in question are retired and locked up since she long rebooted herself and sterned away from NSFW since.Artiat is Einharder/Nivven
>>575233695There's only one classic game isn't there?Sonic Superstars
>>575233676Mina.exe, um... i know you want to kill me b-but you should look-->OH. SHE'S RIGHT BEHIND ME, ISN'T SHE
>>575233743>SA2 is fine but what makes it truly amazing is how all the characters get used in the story coming off their stories and arcs from the previous games.Bro the story is completely just window dressing for a bunch of shit to happen. It's not that deep and if you look at it closely its full of holes.
Honestly if you ask me, Sonic is like the wind.
>>575233883Tsk, nice post.Here, this is for you.>33/100 -Not recommended
>>575231565Yes and no. I call them Classic Sonic and ModernClassic Sonic.(I like both btw)I agree with looking at it as a continuous thing but there is merit it acknowledging the differences between the two as well.I thibk the shift was more gradual that some people make it out to be but also more stark than some modern fans say as well.
>>575232601 #Filena- ah fuck it, here's him explaining it.(Posted the wrong image award)>>575232605>implying /sthg/ shill shitty fangames as much as Sonictwt does
>>575233812Hi cybershell you should make your own sonic with blackjack and hookers
Imagine not trusting internet opinion.Cuck.
>>575234041do these things taste good
Tailsbro... Come back...
>>575234028Um no that's not true because it was invented in 2006 even though it can be traced back to a least 1994 but I didn't know that so you're just a Modernfag ruining the series
>>575234002state the holes.I guarantee you missed something.
>>575234054NuClassic is better, there are SOME things Whitehead did worse compared to Classic games, such as the speed in OG/PC Sonic CD vs 2011 Sonic CD and Oil Ocean Zone Act 2 in Mania (i will rip your dick off if you defend this shit)
>>575231775Classic Sonic IS anime you battleshonen tourist.I bet tou didnt even play the adventure games and just watched spritefights online.
>>575234173My bad won't happen again
>>575234060I don't know who that guy is, but thanks?Blackjack and hookers sounds nice.
>>575234186i'm not going to have you spout schizo headcanons you made up to try to explain away every flawIf Maekawa was that good of a writer he wouldn't have been fired.
This is Sonic. This is what Sonic about. Everything before this is irrelevant. Everything after this just don't exist. Plain and simple.There no such games as Unleashed, Colors, Generations, no shitty burger comics, etc.Sonic ended in 2008 with Black Knight and thankfully will never get back to ruin this perfection.
>>575232084
>>575233347The story is so poorly written that you can't get around it. Carol doesn't have any of Lilac's issues despite being with the Red Scarves. Nevermind that the excuse that "derp Red Scarves murder people" makes no sense at all, you don't have a real explanation why Lilac would give a damn about parents she never knew. She was raised by the Scarves...And really fucking hates them for some reason. Carol doesn't.So what the fuck did they do to Lilac to make her hate them so much?
>>575234169taildsbro got covideo and is craping diahhrea
>>575231368sa2 is a darker scenario version of sonic cd in its themes, id say cd is what kickstarted most of the tropes we see in 00s era or modern sonic actually.i actually like the gameplay and aesthetic of sa1 better, the writing isn't bad either.
>>575234169I'm here, it's just this thread is annoying
>>575231894>blue eyesLarper. He had green eyes.And it matters because the prophecy shit.
>>575234328Poser! Black Knight is from 2009
>>575234228Classic Sonic is anime, but it's clearly moeshit and ghiblislop.At least Naka admitted it himself.People need to give up on the Dragon Ball comparisons.
The era that happened when I was a little kid was the best one
>>575234296Anon, I know you're embarrassed being called out.Sorry, but think twice before you throw something out there next time.
>>575234374bitch YOU are annoying
>>575234406Fine. 2009 it is.
>>575234370Archie and SatAM sonic inherit most of their atmosphere from sonic CD. Both are spiritual successors to Sonic CD, which is why I consider them masterpieces despite their flaws.Any good fangame, fanwork, or continuation of the series should stem off of the immaculate vibes of Sonic CD and its OVA.
>>575234406I always hated monopoly or similar games, there's always a guy ruining the fun because it took the game way too seriously.
>>575234374Yeah I think so too
>>575234460i'm glad winning this internet argument made you so much mone- oh wait
I ruined Sonic.
>>575234614Cute pic, but female tails should be using clothes.
>>575234638So I won.
>>575233812threads have been much worse tbf
Tails!>>575234328>Everything before this is irrelevant.How silly it was of me to think Sonic Adventure was a continuation of the previous game. That was the reason I even cared to check out those games at all, because I liked Adventure and wanted to play the Sonic games it was based on. But I guess I was always wrong about that. Sonic Adventure is a reboot and erased everything before it
>>575234710Yes champ, you did it. You won.
>>575234614>finally! Now none of us will be virgins!
>>575232176No because it applies to all other games as well.Which makes the perceived lower score moot.>>575232243>Also the gamecube ports of both Adventure games sucked dick.No they didnt. They had their issues but were overall better than their DC versions.Most issues with SA1 are blown out of proportion aesthetic things. The DC version had more content, free camera control and an actual map as well as real rewards for getting all the emblems.SA2:B had the expanded and superior multi-player, the ! marker for emeralds in Hunting stages, the opening cinematic and Chao Garden improvements.Arin Hanson mindfulness SA1fags so hard.
>>575234685c:
>>575234681THERE HE IS! KILL HIM!KIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL HIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM!!!
>>575234328Most of these games fucking suck
>>575234228>Classic Sonic IS animeNo, classicfags themselves say Sonic is about freedom fighters and romance
>>575234685She's comfortable being naked around her male counterpart
>>575232254You're a shlockjocky and little else lol.
Saw something mentioned Katie last thread and i was reminded of this tweethttps://x.com/i/status/2078694160991990172I'll abridged this screenshot later but it's kinda interesting on how they're manipulating the western Sonic fanbase like this.
>>575234823(you)
>>575234927No they don't
>>575234991Fangame creators shouldn't insult the franchise. That is a pretentious thing to do. Imagine thinking you alone can be better than Sega.
>>575232646Then explain it>>575232705I thibk youre confusing "internet autist" for "sonic fan".Sonic is jist one of those IPs that caught on early and embedded itself into internet culture. Homesick, Undertale/Deltarune are just another.
>>575234785Okay, I'm willing to let you have last word since you want it so bad.But you have to reply to this post. And then you can have it.
>>575235149Yes they do
>>575234936That's mid-90s Classicfags, they're (SatAMfags) the proto-modernfag btw, especially the obsession of making Sonic brooding and serious bsns, like anyone watching DBZ or YYH on Toonami first
>>575234768>because I liked Adventure and wanted to play the Sonic games it was based onWell I was the same.Pre-adventure game are kind of semi-canon. They happens but not exactly the same. Character design wise. Thus they are irrelevant.
>>575235162Most people are, Sega's a bunch of suits that don't even know what Sonic is and have sabotaged every single project that Sonic has been in due to knee jerk reactions and not understanding the direction the project was going for.I think they might be the most infuriating company I've ever seen from sheer incompetence.
I refuse.
>>575232863>i view adventure designs and 3d as ultimately necessary, if the series forever stuck with classic and 2d it would eventually die.I agree. I think adventure redesigns carved out more of a niche.But I do with we would use more of those classified elements on ways that arent shallow.
>>575234960>Both looking at porn of themselves having intercourse.Way too much comfortable if you ask me.
>>575234507i don't really think satam people knew about cd or most of the sonic games back then, there's not really much it inherits from outside of having darker tone than aosth or underground.
>>575235162Lange is the Satan of Sonic fangamesI agree
>>575234419videogame facts:best console>the one i had when i was 8most iconic pokemon song>champion theme from the generation when i was 6best shooter>the one i could play with my friends when i was 13
Is it possible for a real life person to be free like the wind
>leave the multi billion dollar company ALONE!!!You guys are so funny
>>575232923https://youtu.be/_j7IzrDTx0o?t=33LET ME SEE YOU GRIT THOSE TEETH!!!!
>>575235390Because the SEGA CD flopped overseas and Tom was so sure the CD Team will finally shit out a hit if they force them to put KC on the TurdypooX instead of the Chadturn
I managed to finally reach Final Zone again.Game Over'd, of course, but at least I'm getting faster at Green Hill Zone. Maybe I'll quit my job and become a professional Sonic speedrunner, surely that's a viable career path.
>>575235524If you're making a FAN game you should be respectful of the real games
>>575183145Just right now I've noticed op butchered the general information of the post.The booru links aren't even there.
>>575235506California literally encourages people to be homeless so over there you might
>>575235506Become a buddhist
>>575235663Sonic Team disrespected me by charging me money for mediocre products
>>575235306Character designs have nothing to do with story. The games in your image also have character design differences between them, as well as tone and storytelling style differences. When I played them for the first time, I saw no reason why Sonic 1 and Sonic Adventure shouldn't be in the same continuity. But apparently I was always wrong about that. I was just wrong and delusional, seeing things that were never there. If I had realized that they are so fundamentally different and incompatible I don't think I would have been interested in playing the classics, same as how I'm not interested in reading Archie>>575235381:P
In the 2008 Sonic Chronicles manga, Shade appears and easily defeats Sonic before skipping away with Knuckles
>>575235663The good ones, yes
>>575235506the only creature that ever walked this earth the was truly free was the solitary penguin
>>575235663...says fucking who?Is this a Sega employee writing these?If the games were good, we wouldn't be trying to make our own games, stupid.
>>575232863>if the series forever stuck with classic and 2d it would eventually die.I don't know if I agree, but I guess every series has different circumstances to contend with.
Cute boy
>>575235882I like how you summed up the image that's been posted here a million times in words.
>>575235162Lake did, he took shots at the Sonic Mania devs. And unlike others, he put his talent where his mouth is. And won.>better than SegaLow bar. Sega incompetence is so well documented at this point.
>>575235954If you don't respect Sega's real games then you aren't a fan. Fans respect the games. If you don't do that you aren't making a fan game.
>>575236017you just blow in from stupid town?
>>575235663No, you have no responsibility to do that as a fan game maker.
>>575235954Yes we would. We make fan content because we are fans of the things we are making content of. If your "fan"game's goal is to be the only real true Sonic game then you are NOT a fan, you do NOT like the series
>>575236189Being a fan means respecting the source material
>>575236098Well I'm a fan of you,I'm gonna put a baby in you.
>>575236292i can't eat an entire baby
>>575236280Being a fan means being vaguely interested in a media for whatever reason.
>>575236280The source sucks
>>575236189You're not a fan if you don't like the official games. You are making a hategame, not a fangame
>>575235954I'm a Sega employee and I agree with him. You should love Sonic.
>>575236268>>575236280Okay, spamming stupid shit is fun and all, but yo-actually nevermind, why do I give a shit, this thread sucks anyways.Keep going, fuck it.
I should make a fan game to piss all these Japan Sonic Purists off. But I don't have the time and I'm rusty.
>>575236017I will always hate how since megaman 9 the franchise get rid of roll megaman 8 design, it was literally daughterfu perfection.Her new megaman 11 designs made things even worse.
>>575236371Then you are not a fan. You hate Sonic
>>575236484Oh god... Roll's thighs... please stop posting Roll.
Liking something is the bare minimum of being a fan
>>575236587No man, don't lust over her, she's along with cream the rabbit cuteness incarnated..
>>575236663You can like a concept and dislike the execution
>>575235162Some people are extraordinary and can pull off the feat that a thousand can't do. Naturally this applies to game dev too.
>>575233743NTA but I kinda disagree with Knuckles. His arc was already completed in both S3&K and again in SA1, him going over it again in SA2 is a little too much.Amy also kinda regresses back to damsel due to not being playable.With that said, I think what make SA2 feels like this is because its basically another redux of the original plans for S3&K.
Sonic and Tails
>>575236704It's been imprinted on me since I was 5, Roll is sex.
>>575236663I think Sonic is interesting and all right but the real peaks in Sonic come when Sonic is in Archie or he's in a Maekawa game. Not this mystical whimsy shit.
>>575236871SEX THE ROLL!
Tails and Sonic
Funny how this place takes this franchise so seriously talking about the games, writing sources, lore, character portrayal, amd japanese content, and then we have shit like pic related. I dont know why you guys takes things so seriously.
>>575236137Lol, thats a different Megaman. Also, I was mostly speaking about how X had an even rougher transition to 3D than Sonic did and kinda proved that "traditional" Megaman can't work in 3D.Capcom understands Megman is a 2D series.
sa1, sa2 and 06 is full of stuff that was written somewhere in classic era manuals or drafts, ocean wind zone is emerald coast etc. but since the presentation in the actual classics and adventure era is both bad or obscure, people dont notice.
I'm not posting this on twitter because I fucking hate twitter and I want them all in a gas chamber.But it's true that JP Shadow doesn't like humanity and hates everyone.HOWEVER, the problem is that that was his arc in SA2: he was someone who hated the world but ultimately chose to sacrifice himself for humanity and the world despite that, due to his promise to Maria. That's all nice and good, but then SEGA immediately walks that back and makes him survive and now we have this character who is never allowed to grow out of "he has no friends and hates humans". He is a fucking pox on the writing. His presence damages everyone else's story arcs because he is literally sonic but cooler. Sonic is no longer allowed to be cool so now he has to be more emotional to contrast himself against shadow, lest they become effectively the same character (except sonic actually likes things)It's stupid to argue about how english sonic is "out of character" when SEGA themselves do not respect their own stories they write by IMMEDIATELY retconning the most important character arc and resolution this series has had. The archiefans are morally correct in having their own version of Shadow who evolved past this. Because "JP Shadow" should have stayed dead.Shadow's story arc being shit upon by having him immediately come back (and having him lose his memory because on some level the writers knew it was retarded to bring him back) is the turning point of where this series went to shit.
>>575237216Sonic fought Skibidi Toilet in PUBG last year, anyone who thinks this series has artistic integrity is legit retarded.
>>575237216cheap spirit halloween costumes aren't exclusive to this series though, I've seen legally distinct knock off Link and Mario bros costumes like this
>>575236984Classic Roll>>575237296Classic (90s) Sonic had better art direction than any era of Modern Sonic.
>>575237216What is that thing>>575237296No, Sonic Team released Sonic Generations and Sonic Forces, games that finally clarified that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are two separate franchises with nothing in common outside of the occasional crossover. Sonic Adventure is a reboot starting a brand new series and has nothing to do with Classic Sonic. Sonic Adventure is also just a primitive and outdated version of the Boost gameplay, which they finally perfected with Modern Sonic in Generations. If you see anything in common between SA1 and Sonic 2 or 3, you're just delusional and also you like objectively bad outdated games. This is the official stance.
I think Omega should be in charge of Team Dark.
>>575237306sonic becoming more emotional/silver/amy-like etc. didn't happen because of shadow, it happened mostly with movienic and idw.in stuff like 06 or sonic x, hes still mostly ''chill'' american writing in general wants the characters to be vague idea of relatable rather than actually having specific narrative characteristics.
>>575237713Omega is literally just a murderbot and has no personality outside of shooting things
>>575237437>>575237651Those are actually official merchandise sega costumes that sega showed off at fucking comiccon guys.
>>575237306>cont.A lot of the issues with IDW and modern game writing revolve around Shadow's presence. Every world-ending threat needs to answer the question "why doesn't shadow deal with this?" and dance around it. Shadow has to act like a retard in the metal virus arc because otherwise he could just solve it in sonic's stead. Shadow has to be MIA during sonic forces, sonic colors, sonic unleashed, etc. because he could just wipe out eggman/the world ending himself. The result pisses everyone off because every god damn story has to answer the "why isn't shadow helping???" question, because every story involving sonic NEEDS to be a world ending threat or one of eggman's horrific plans that would fuck over the entire world and thus demand shadow's intervention.You cannot, under any circumstances, have a character who literally does everything the overpowered main character can do but better, and have them be an "anti-hero" who ultimately does the right thing, and have this all in a series where said anti-hero is obliged to help out. Would be like if you Shadow should have stayed dead in SA2. Almost all of the series' problems stem from him haunting the narrative. And it'll never get better because shadow is actually cooler in the eyes of fans and children, so he needs to stick around to sell merchandise.
>>575237851I would actually like him then, but they keep trying to quirk him up
>>575237506if you dont like the aesthetics or gaameplay thats another thing, but the concepts themselves existed in classics.also i disagree, if classic art style stayed sonic would ve died in like 2008>>575237651nice bait
Sonic characters for this feel?https://youtu.be/LXNn4b4D_Xw
I don't want to jerk off, but some anon had to post Roll and now I'm getting bothered...
>>575236484Unpopular Opinion: I hated MM8 Roll. Too loli for me. The Roll artwork for Rockman Complete Works was better. MM11 Roll was a great fusion/compromise and is my fav Roll!
>>575237216>sonic prestige jumpsuit>exclusively at Costco.My sides.
Amy will never have this.
>>575237935correction:>it would be like if you made superman but slightly edgy, but unlike homelander he's just a good guy who's a lone wolf antisocial version who hates humans but still protects earth. btw he's never around to stop world ending threats because he's doing ???? and when superman was trapped in a kryptonite cage lex luther almost blew up the world. Shadowman was just fucking around during that idk
>>575237217>thats a different Megamancasuals don't know or care lmaoanyway, the reason sonic and megaman went 3d is the same as everyone else: you couldn't not do it at the timethere was about a decade without a mainline 2d mario
>>575237935shadow isn't ''better'' than the main character, his existence proves sonic's superiority, its what the series is ultimately about.
>>575237961>nice baitI'm not saying it as bait. I don't agree with it either, but this is the official stance SEGA has had since 2017 if not 2011, and some people have told me that it's actually been the case since 1998 and that SA1 was never intended to be different from the Boost. That's what Sonic Team says nowadays, too. You and I were just delusional all along, at least according to SEGA
>>575235954Well take a look at here >>575234991
>>575238208Why don't you show up a modern picture of those statues, the last time I knew, sally's head was literally on a dumpster.
>>575238286>shadow isn't ''better'' than the main character,Sonic has never canonically beat Shadow in a fight
>>575238145You're right, that's an incredibly unpopular opinion.
>>575236087Spark 3 is still overrated
>>575238295i was talking moreso in the sense of story or themes, not really the gameplay. classic brand being seperated is due to classicboomers wanting that. they tried to make 2d stuff with advance too but people didnt care for it.
>>575238145I'm convinced that the only reason sonic isn't dead in the water is because of sexy mobians. We need more kemono series>>575238286Yes, according to the writing Sonic is better... but shadow routinely does things more impressive than sonic ever could. His black doom powers, guns, rocket boots, etc. allows him to do things that sonic needs all of the chaos emeralds for. Shadow is blatantly the pet character of a certain writer while Sonic has to actually maintain some sort of consistency.
>>575238306Cool.If they like being insulted then that's fine with me, masochistic freaks.
>>575236484Blame Screw Attack and Japs constant dicksucking over MM2 ESPECIALLY Inti Creates, the people behind the most mediocre Mega Man games Ian never actually played
>>575238404in every ''non-conclusion'' fight assume sonic won.silver is the only case of getting a win i actually remember but even so thats mostly to get the plot going and he jobs other times.
>>575238404Shadow Generations.
>>575236484>Her new megaman 11 designs made things even worse.It's just new version of MM8 Roll but more tech sav.
>>575238704Shadow quite literally let him win.
>>575238546>i was talking moreso in the sense of story or themesNo, that's completely different too. SA1, as the reboot that started Modern Sonic, has nothing to do with the prior games>classic brand being seperated is due to classicboomers wanting that. they tried to make 2d stuff with advance too but people didnt care for it.I thought so too, but apparently I was wrong. The 2D games also don't count because they are Modern Sonic, they have nothing to do with Classic Sonic
>>575238634Do megaman fans treat MMZ like sonic fans treat archie sonic? I imagine there must be some heavy contention between MM/MMX and MMZ considering how much darker MMZ is.Is the megaman fanbase also split?
>>575238208No, she just have actual games appearances, merch, a soon to be movie where she's gona make an appearance and being sonic actual love interest.Poor of her, reboot sally is fine tough, I'm actually sad she got axed.
>>575238824SHUT UPPOST AMY SUFFERING FROM MENOPAUSE
>>575238145I always thought MM8 was hebe core
>>575238701>in every ''non-conclusion'' fight assume sonic won.No, the ending of SA2 couldn't happen if Sonic won
>>575238824I like this design
>>575237910ah, well that is a tad different then
