IT'S A RAT THREAD editionPreviously on /coopg/: >>575308361>Latest News/UpdatesDarktide:Skitarii Alpha Primus has arrived:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/skitarii-alpha-primus-is-coming-to-warhammer-40-000-darktide/121730Patch 1.12.0 patch notes:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/free-update-patch-1-12-0-out-now-skitarii-later-today/122573Kuli's guides for beginners:https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210Vermintide 2:Weapon balance update! Patch 6.11.0 patch notes:https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/weapon-balance-update-patch-6-11-0-patch-notes/121528>Also Exist:Space Marines 2Deep Rock GalacticHelldivers 2Payday 2The Outlast TrialsKilling Floor 2BarotraumaLeft4Dead 2Ready Or NotGTFONo More Room in Hell 2Remnant 2Earth Defense Force 6WWZKilling Floor 3and others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
So when is Fatshark coming back from hibernation? It's almost August.
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
I can't tell if playing Arbitrator has made me worse at the game or if I've just gotten worse with my original classes. I do just fine with Skitarius and I don't need to use the dog to do well, but if I go back to my Zealot it just doesn't feel great. Arbitrator just feels good to play what with being an unstoppable tank and knocking enemies around.
>>575509243They still have a whole month of vacation left. Then a month of getting back into it, can't expect much there. Then a month of work. And of course then back to vacation.
i hate all objectives that require me to carry something. Even playing ogryn it just feels gay and retarded
>>575508827When are they nerfing psyker using that purgatus, perilous combustion, and shriek build?When are they buffing chainswords? It's extremely retarded on fatshark's part letting one of the most iconic 40k weapons to be dumpster tier
When are they removing the damage resist of the shield guys? They're such a pain in the ass to fight even after you break the shield.
>>575509607I hate that if you throw the soda cans and THEN get hit the soda takes a shittier arc
>skitardi sending his skull to revive me while I'm still in the flames
>>575510723You have huge damage resist for a few seconds after, that's plenty to get your ass out of the fire
>>575510723I DO THAT
how do i make my hand stop hurting from spamming m1
>>575511080Use a mouse pad with wrist supportHydrate regularly and sleep properlyHand stretches before strenuous activityAbandon the weakness of the flesh and aspire to the purity of the blessed machine, use an auto clicker mod
>>575511486>use an auto clicker modAbominable intelligence. You should sever your hand and attach electrodes to it to read nerve impulses and translate them into input.
>>575511080Install Keep Swinging
>>575512561emperor bless you
fml
>>575511080Either use an autoclicker or have a dedicated m1-spamming macro button on your mouse. Personally, I find the latter to be good policy in general as there are tons of games where you benefit from it.
Jesus Christ the population on the EU server past midnight is fucking horrible I thought unemployed peope lhad enough time to get good at video games.
My favorite part of darktide was when wolfer said "it's moebin time" and moebed all over those guys.
>>575512879mouse macro is the real choicehave one set for left click (most games) and one set for right click (minecraft)
>>575513828
>>575513305Unemployed europeans are brown retards
>>575514628Remember the bit where he went "MOOTASH" ad did the dance?
>>575513828my favorite part of darktide was when dreg shotgunner-sama...I kneel...
>>575513305>EUfrench and germs are some of the worst players in existence, but both will tell you they are some of the bestthe french one will then begin screaming through the mic as if his entire life has lead to this moment
SOMEONE TELL ME WHAT KARKER MEANS
>>575515448don't forget the spanish retards and the low IQ polaks
My favourite part of Darktide is when I spend 29 minutes in a havoc and wipe at the very end getting nothing for it and then Fatshark penalises me further by downgrading my havoc level, because I guess wasting half an hour of my life wasn't enough of a punishment
>>575515479*fart* NIGGER! :D
>>575515674Deserved for playing havok
>>575515326Why is he so powerful? Is he secretly Mortarion in disguise?
>>575515840he comes from the era of when some dudes at fatshark were slapping together promotional material using whatever fucking assets the game had, not giving a fuck what implications there wereremember back when the game got advertised with cosmetics that were unobtainable? I 'member
>>575515479It's just a stand-in for fuck, it's not that deep.
>>575474486Why don't you share your totally, 100% original names with the class, then?
>retards playing with some bullshit door puzzle on malice instead of just moving forwardFUCK OFF MAKE YOUR SHIT PRIVATE YOU THREE MAN RETARD FAGGOT SQUAD
>>575516643why are you in malice?
>>575516643>being this high strung>on malice
>>575516643>malicecalm down nigga you might as well be playing the stanley parable
>>575516643i'm beginning to see why no one here has friends
>>575516724>>575516743>>575516829Came back after a long break since like playing 300 hours at launch and have to unlock difficulty tiers again on all my old 30 characters.
>>575516912I have friends :>they're playing without me right now though :<
>>575516550That's "frag", you fragging karker!
why wont people here make havoc groups together
>>575516643>>575509340this is what rat posters areshitters
>>575516912My friends have jobs.
whats even the point in this system? >yea uhhh i would like uhhh less damage please uhhh ill happily trade that for 0.02 dodge distance
what does it means when someone has a golden skull on their name
>>575518614a lot of weapons don't hit many meaningful breakpoints with 80 vs 60 damage. There's other stats that can be more important often enough
>>575518614When the game first came out, there was no crafting system, you'd have to get random weapons from missions or shops and what it was would be what you were stuck with until you could get something better by pure chance. Optimal weapons were next to impossible to get.
In hindsight they really fucked up with Darktide's cinematic teaser trailer. It set the wrong expectation for the tone and what kind of characters we would be playing. I'm not sure why they did this when Vermintide showed the whole cast immediately.
>>575518757the stat tradeoff is almost always mobility though which is almost always taken>>575518780both of those options are just worse than vermintide though, it was already a solved issue
>mr estrogen video>WOW GUN HIVE SCUM IN CURRENT YEAR??!?!?!?!?!?!>first clip is him using his ult, using a stim, and spending 10% of his ammo gunning down 20 poxwalkerswoah.. so powerful.. I kneel..
>>575519161Sweden
>>575516643Maybe the doodoo here is you.
>>575519013that's because originally it was going to be a guardsman game, but fatshark begged GW to let them add retarded shit like zealot, psyker, and ogryniirc one of the things they said right before release was that they were surprised when GW let them do ogryn, as that was a pretty weird addition
>>575519195Another incredible update regarding ecelebs that only parasocial retards care about. It's a good thing you post these, or I'd forget these faggots even exist.
>>575460834even dorn got KEKKED by a horde of cultists who killed him
>>575516597 The-Game
>rat scatfag is actually a shitterMakes sense.
BY TAAAAAALFIGHTKILLDEATH
>>575516643You've brought dishonor to Cacarats everywhere.
>>575519421Cultists can be enhanced to insane levels if the gods want them to though
>>575511080Use bigass 2H great weapons where you need to actually time your attacks instead of just spamming M1 like a retard.
>hive scum>fart sword>fart gun>fart nades>fart aoe stimmshow am I not considered a heretic
>>575520806The same way abhumans and psykers aren't considered heretics, they're useful
>>575520806Not worshipping chaos, two out of three Psyker personalities still believe in Emperor.
>>575520806It's like warcrimes. It's ok when your side does it. Reminder that VIRUS BOMBS are a weapon of mass destruction within the Imperial arsenal.
leveling hive scum is miserable holy shit
>>575520806The needle gun can kill a beast of nurgle, that shit is not The Rot™, that shit is Neurodeath: The Fuckinator.
>>575522554Probably the worst yeah. Now I imagine it's at least marginally better than it was on launch
The zealot was eating so much ammo and I don't know what he was using it on
>>575520806honestly hive scum plus the variety of poison weapons in the game in general makes it even more confusing they chose nurgle as the chaos godshould've been khorne
>>575523223It was easy as fuck on launch because you could just take the autopistols with desperado and win every match without anything getting close.
>>575523992Very bad players can't play vet or melee zealot without dying so they play ranged zealots
>>575516597NightcoreGOATTTWith the squeaker voice
>>575524043Yeah but I would dodge, still get scratched by a poxwalker and die because the dodges were all fucked up, even if you took the perk that makes slides count as dodges against melee
I'm new to darktide and I'm a little disappointed there is so much melee even tho I play veteran. Depending on the weapon, I don't even have the ammo for more than a wave or twoAlso, what's the best melee weapon? Currently chains word and shovel feel best. I heard some people say that power sword is too good, but I didn't really like it that much
>>575526009>plays game called warhammer>wtf why is there so much melee
>>575526009get hive scum if you want a class where clearing hordes with your ranged weapon all the time is viable
>>575526009>I don't even have the ammo for more than a wave or twoare you feeding an entire magazine to each and every poxnigger or
>>575526009If you're still levelling I recommend a combat axe with the brutal momentum blessing slapped on it. It's a solid workhorse weapon that always works regardless of build.
Recon Lasgun, my beloved.
There really is no reason to use anything but the Dual Autopistols on Desperado Scum
>>575528743Mr E's video said different thougheverbeit
>>575526609what is a good ranged hivescum build?
>>575526009if you don't have the ammo talents yet then you're gonna get raped on ammo especially if you're magdumping chaff hordes
>wanted to play anarchist male HIV scum>he just sounds anemic compared to how utterly insane anarchist female HIV sounds
>>575524034Nurgle has always been susceptible to poisons/toxins. That’s how a Tyranid fleet stalemated the Death Guard on a planet one time.
If more classes had a moveset-swap weapon like the Skitarii sonicblades, that would kick assBut thats just wishful thinking
Why did Nurgle in Vermintide 2 seem so much cooler?
>>575535768There's no imperium to glaze
>>575535915the empire is cool
>>575536379Maybe, but it doesn't carry the same weight as the imperium, so it doesn't get glazed at the expense of everything else
objectives in vermintide 2:>enter the realm of nurgle to disrupt a ritual>blow up a wall with a cannon to bypass a door>push a cart full of explosives into a mansion to explode it>shoot catapults with a cannon>break down a door with a battering ram>free slaves>travel through a portal to the frozen north to deactivate it by blowing up generators then fight a skaven riding a stormfiendobjectives in darktide:>hack a train schedule>hack a cypher>hack a door>hack a signal>deliver capsules>deliver capsuleswhat went wrong?
Assassination maps are the best desu
post your >main>what new primary weapon you want>what new secondary weapon you wanthavoc 60 mode: >what new blitz>what new combat ability
>>575538559ogrynfistsbeing able to grab and throw people
>>575539187>being able to grab and throw peopleThis but you can do it to your teammates
>>575538559ogryngiant buzzsaw/rock sawstorm welder (giant arc rifle)
why
>>575539773outskilled
>>575539773Those were some really pretty visual effects wow sometimes I forget how nice this game is
>>575539773He was willing to die for the greater good, a true Vanguard of the faith.that single frame of the down icon at the end also tickles my funny bone hehe
>>575538559psykerprimary: dueling sword but with old uncanny strikesecondary: infernal staff: inferno staff but its a 20m radius aoe that i can hold down while sprinting and it damages and knocks back everything while putting me on top of the damage scoreboardblitz: teleport blink. instant cast, 5% peril per usecombat ability: laser eyes that deals extreme single target damage and pierces all armor. cooldown refunded if at least 3 enemies are killed during cast.
>>575540476Least OP mortis indulgences
>>575538559arbyssome sort of swordheavy stubber
>>575526609>leaves out that he'll need to routinely use his melee weapon to generate that ammoLet the anon go play l4d or something.
I don't live hive scum. The feel ass at any objective other than>just survive LMAO
>>575530047Dual autopistols with accuracy blessing and accuracy talent, +5s stimm talent, Desperado's cooldown reduction. 50% viscosity stimm just for cooldown reduction. Vulture's Mark is the better keystone, but aurics are relatively easy and having better cooldown economy tends to be preferable so Chemical Dependency is fine, you're effectively spamming your stimm anyway.3x4% cooldown reduction on curios, of course.Most prefer the reload speed blessing, and I actually agree that it makes clearing hordes easier and slightly more efficient, but accuracymaxxing lets you effectively laser beam gunners from further than it feels like you should be allowed to. Try both, see what you prefer.>how do I deal with crushersMelee. RPG if there's too many to melee. You can also hit them with a brittleness blessing a couple times and then pull out your gun for headshots if that's what you prefer, but you might want carapace on your gun, and probably the rending upgrade to Desperado. I think the days of rending stimm for ranged scum are unfortunately over since they murdered Pickpocket and now require you to have actual CDR in the build.
>>575519161>worse than vermintide though, it was already a solved issueReminder that you need a mod to block while writing in chat, a feature that iirc was day1 in vermintide 2.
>>575544480Block while chatting was a mod in VT2. It got added to the game at a later date. The mod broke some of the mission intro sequences because most players would be stationary and looking all professional standing around overlooking the map, and the players with the block while chatting mod would be standing around blocking like a bunch of dorks.
>>575545060>The mod broke some of the mission intro sequences becausethe mod developer didn't correctly hook into whatever functions govern this, to stop the mod from firing*Obvious safeguards include checking whether the player is in actual gameplay, and able to make inputs. I assume those weren't in place then.
>>575545268Technically it was actual gameplay. The map was fully loaded but enemies weren't spawned. Some people found ways to break their chains and could be seen running into the distance while their teammates where standing around waiting for the match to start. Frequently these were the speed running retards who would promptly die alone.
>>575545373>Obvious safeguards includebut aren't limited to just checking for that one specific thing, obviously. I just look down, and spit, on mod devs who don't even do a basic modicum of bug testing or debugging. I've had to fix so many broken mods that I'm never releasing because it's a huge hassle.
>want to do the weekly h40>Dukane gave me Clandestium with turbo AIDS>this is fine but everyone is scared shitless of Clandestium so I'm getting zero applicantsFor fuck's sake man I just want to host>have to join some other retard nowREEEEEE
>>575545649it's not fear, it's just a genuinely abhorrently dogshit map and i don't know how it's in the game.
>>575546391I just got past the train in 13 minutes with a good team, it's a good map
>>575519195>his ult,>spending 10% of his ammodo you not understand how the scum ult works?
>>575522808it can also kill a daemonhost. how does that even compute
>>575526009>Depending on the weapon, I don't even have the ammo for more than a wave or twomost weapons aren't designed to magdump into poxxers. just take recon lasgun with the infinite ammo talent points if you want to horde clear with a gun.
>>575546391whats wrong with it
>>575526009First, and sorry if it's stating the bleeding obvious, but check each weapon's moveset first and try to get a basic rotation for horde clear and single-target in mind, with some psykhanium work if need be. You can refine it later but having a basic mantra of (eg) heavy-light-light-repeat is better than button mash and pray.Chainsword is pretty good at unga bunga horde clearance, though it might not do your carpal tunnel much good. Screwed by crushers, of course; revved-up headshots with a Bleed blessing helps a bit, but it's sticking plaster at best. I prefer the mk.4 (? The original), not a fan of the moveset of the other.Shovel is fine, though personally it lacks that bit of extra bite when I REALLY need it. Admittedly I'm usually well and truly in the shit by then and not even the Emperor could save me, but still.Power sword... so good, so hair-tearing. When it works, it works well (especially mk.6), but losing activation if a poxwalker so much as breathes on you is really frustrating, IF it even charges up in the first place (it's felt really finicky in that way for me lately; press the button only to hear thunk thunk thunk rather than SWISH SWISH SWISH and get laughed at by the game as it anally violates me. I must be accidentally cancelling it somehow). That said, it's got me out of more tight spots than it's dropped me in.You've likely seen a lot of duelling sword praise; I can only say that I've seen people do amazing things with it, but I've never really got used to it.
>>575542684>use his melee weapon to generate that ammobut you don't. desperado gives you infinite ammo so long as you can keep it going. you just need to survive between your desperados somehow.
>>575547746He obviously wants to shoot 100% of the time vs every random poxwalker, so merely shooting during desperado uptime won't even begin to cut it for him.
>>575537249>free slavesthat would be disruptive behavior
>>575543158when I play scum I just ping the minigames for my teammates and run around killing everything so fast they have nothing better to do than to actually finish the objective
>>575547046No.
>>575548169And when the teammates can't find the objective and die due to lack of yellow paint?
>>575548449I keep pinging it with all the markers and I keep resurrecting them until they do it. One time on chasm terminus I had to do like 6 revives in the circular room until an arby spawned in to replace a leaver veteran and managed to actually do the minigame
>>575545649At least I got it on the first try that I got a group together.Turns out the servo skull can revive someone out of a daemonhost's kill animation if you tag them before the DH gets to them. You actually just get up after it finishes fondling you, and then it keeps trying to kill you lol. Both deaths were right next to a respawn so they were completely irrelevant at least.
>>575548408you get infinite reloads which means that so long as you reload before the ability runs out you spend zero ammo, might even get a bit of bonus if you started with less than a full magdesperado scum only spends ammo in emergencies when he has to shoot without the ability
>>575548734>>575548408also forgot to mention but killing shit that has a glowing outline (anything within 12 meters) extends the ability duration. the amount you can extend by per kill decays after like 20 seconds but you can usually get enough uptime to fully kill a typical poxxer horde even in auric. dunno about havoc.
>A daemonhost is in the next room>Smigger: What should I do????>I guess I'll SMIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTEEEEEEE>aggroes the daemonI want smite to be reworked with a 60 second cooldown between casts.
>>575548982>dunno about havoc.Desperado is just about extinct in havoc, I haven't seen a desperado scum in months. Something like 80% of them are griefing crate retards that think the AIDS modifier justifies wasting an entire team slot on them being useless otherwise instead of just bringing a chorus zealot. The other 20% are actually good players running Rampage.I can't gauge how good or bad it is in h40 atm because I don't have any interest in playing scum there, and nobody uses it. But I have to assume that because nobody uses it, it's probably either really hard or not very good or very likely both.
>>575548994Doesn't even need to be smite. I found out the hard way that a sleeping DH counts as a potential target for Soulblaze spread.
>>575548994Just let the DH kill him and stay out of its way, it costs you literally nothing since he's a smigger anyway
>>575547138Same way a rusty shiv does I guess
>>575549408>I found out the hard way that a sleeping DH counts as a potential target for Soulblaze spread.No they're not. At least not from the wildfire talent. A lot of niggers are really fucking careless regarding which direction that they venting shriek though.
>>575549490the funny thing about DH in this game is that without EFL there is zero incentive to help someone who aggros a daemonhost. just let him die and play on because the game will reduce spawns. too bad many people don't seem to understand this.
I just refuse to play in matches with smite or flame pyskers. They're not fun.
>>575549585NTA but one of the psyker Soulblaze talents at least used to consider daemonhosts viable targets, which would then aggro you. I've had that happen to me multiple times, took the skill off, and had it stop happening. It also used to cause a crash in havoc when Soulblaze would jump to a ritual DH, I believe.I forget whether that has been patched, or what patch it has been addressed in. I only know the crash no longer happens.
>>575549745Wildfire doesn't. Maybe it did in a previous patch when I wasn't playing, but it doesn't today. Perilous combustion will if you kill a elite/special next to a daemon host, but killing an elite/special next to a daemonhost with anything other than the needle pistol will aggro them anyway. You can go read kuli's guides about the details of the talent mechanics if you want.A lot of psykers today are just really god damn fucking careless regarding where they throw their warp shit around.
>>575549685>joins you with my electro staff m1 spam psykerheheheheheheheeh
>getting slapped in the face with a tiny metal toothpick does thrice the damage than the big massive slow lumbering chainsword being swung at your facePleaseSwedenMake it make sense for fucking onceWhy is dexfaggery rewarded so hard over the big weapons with clear downsides
>>575550251I've modded out the noise.
>>575550260>Why is dexfaggery rewarded so hardbecause women and transvestites need to feel included
>>575550260To this day I am furious regarding just how fucking pathetic that the thunder hammers are.
>>575547637It exists
>>575548734>>575549243I mentioned it last thread that I got a no team downs run with a desperado scum I invited into my havoc 40. I'm just going to post the scoreboard to show it does do a lot of damage and does kill things. He was using the dual autopistols. I also play scum but mainly rampage and seeing how it played it was a similar playstyle mowing down mixed hordes and running into shit and turning into a blender. Probably harder due to not having block to fall back on if you mess up a dodge.
>>575550859What the fuck was that psyker doing to have his damage so low
>>575547637It's the second hardest shitter-filter in the game, I think. Maybe third? If Rolling Steel and No Man's Land are #1 and #2, anyway, but those aren't in havoc, so the crown goes to Clandestium there.Retards frequently take outside routes and get ledged, when they could be taking inside routes.Retards get overwhelmed by boss fights in general, and the first section frequently spawns 2-3, including inside corridors, which retards also have a lot of trouble navigating.Retards always rush to pull the lever on the capsule section, when the correct move is to clear the entire area first, and then aggro downstairs and clear that too before starting the objective.Retards hoard their resources after the little train section, when that exact spot is where you should be spamming all your blitzes and ammo away otherwise you get overrun since you have nowhere to retreat.It's just too difficult for the average retard, and most teams don't bring a chorus zealot for free ledging, or the chorus zealot is too much of a retard to consistently ledge bosses.There's nothing wrong with it, it's just disliked by shitters because it filters them. I think the map is great fun, not a big deal with a half-decent team, and the hard parts are literally just the first 12-or-so minutes so it's nowhere near as frustrating as shit like the finale to Consignment Yard (train station, press the buttons to turn off the skyfire, a boss spawns at the end) where, after you exit the airlock just before the finale, you can get boxed in by 6 gorillion infinitely reinforcing gunners if the director decides to do that, and barely make progress right at the end of the mission under threat of getting wiped. It can be a legitimate smoke grenade composition check. You're also kinda fucked if you ran low on resources (or god forbid got a death) right before then.
>>575550961Yeah I was wondering that too since I know for sure they were using inferno. I think what happened was the scum was killing everything before soulblaze or whatever else could ramp their damage. My guess is they were probably covering the back since our setup was just breezing through everything, was playing taunt ogryn. Also was a few days ago so I don't remember clearly.
>>575550961not him but the scum killing everything before it could burn down may have something to do with it
>>575551497>killing everything before it could burn downI just had the opposite happen as crusher zealot, where the rumbler ogryn got retardedly inflated damage numbers because I put brittleness and Skullcrusher on everything while dealing virtually zero damage.I don't think he deserved more than 1.6m-ish.This is also with the skit wasting a fuckload of ammo on his stupid arc rifle, on targets the ogryn was already killing. He wasn't very smart. I'm sad that the scoreboard doesn't adequately show just how great the vet was.
>>575551765I was leveling psyker a couple weeks ago and if you get a DPS build that kills faster than inferno on a lower difficulty it just makes you superfluous. rampage scum or arc rifle skittle will just cuck you out of enemies to hit. it does get better as the difficulty goes up but the phenomenon doesn't really go away.
Think I might start keeping a short concise paragraph about daemonhosts and how they are generally avoided on the copy-clipboard so I can promptly and simply inform shitters I get in every second game who run right up to them and start swinging
>>575551497>>575552507The trick is to not be cucked to the fire stick build. Greatsword and voidblast psyker both start pulling ahead when there's another dps with direct damage in the same team, I really recommend at least changing the build when you see it ahead of the mission.
>>575553056Shit, melee pulls ahead of flame staff regardless of whether there's another player. Melee psyker is extremely dominant in auric, and any variants that happen to also build for the staff just kind of have no weakness and kill everything including infinite gunner spam. The only issue you'll run into sometimes is huge waves of armor being annoying by killing your 3 retards if you don't stagger them, because most players get carried to auric without ever learning the melee.
>wonder how many stacks of bleed that the bolter blessing "puncture" can apply>check Kuli's guide>16>also the blessing is procced by hive scum's blackout grenades, zealot's throwing knives, and the moonlight greatsword>if the bolter is equipped at time of use for the former, and time blade wave impact for the latterwhat the fuck fatshark.
>>575553191How do you build for melee and staff at the same time? shriek and scriers are mutually exclusive, so are warp charges and disrupt destiny.
>>575553871Gaze and DD aren't exclusive to staff builds you know.
>>575549745>>575550126>>575549408 (me)It was actually a while ago now ("I think we'll aggro that shotgunner as we sneak past, I'll just BB him to be safe, DH will wake up but it's just one kill and OH SHIT") and for obvious reasons it's not been something I've been willing to test since.
>>575553925Obviously you can select them on the same build, but they really don't add much power to the staff the way raising the soulblaze cap, increasing warp damage, or adding 30m range do.
I always find it hilarious how pubbies always completely fucking fail to respect shooters. You can see it happen a lot on no-man's land. There will be a billion gunners dug in, and they'll just happily dive into a poxwalker blob.
UP IN DA CLUB!
>>575554925>this is your brain on flame staff meta slaveryYou just build a generic gaze + DD (or WS if you roll that way) melee psyker except you path to/through Empyric Shock and use your leftclick on a NOT flame staff. You build for leftclick. Shock staff is optional but obviously ideal.>but it's le boringOk. It's a melee build, use your sword more.>but muh flame staffStill gets mogged in auric by a proper melee build using a different staff.
I like how people pretend that the flame staff isn't overpowered cancer even in aurics.It's just funny watching people deny reality that you can test yourself.
>>575556035>reality that you can test yourself.The reality is that other builds perform better in auric than flame staff memes.>butYeah, we know, you are too low skilled to make anything else work, so you need the drooling retard build to carry you, yet you still fail to get top damage, and wipe every No Man's Land you join.
>>575555057>skipping the melee nodes under blitzes to take staff shit on a greatsword buildThis is too "creative" even for me, just cut the bullshit and slot a finesse gun at that point.
>>575556035to be fair, even a pbb ripper gun build is overpowered in auric
>>575556258>melee attack speedCompletely unnecessary, you make mainly heavy attacks to kill targets that actually matter, and they barely benefit from attack speed increases>peril cleaveCompletely useless because you spend a lot of time hitting armored enemies with single target heavies that usually 1-2 tap them. Not to mention that melee cleave is complete ass.>melee peril quellThat's the main one that leads to really high DPS in a pure melee build by edging gaze, and dropping it hurts, but you get so much ranged power out of Empyric Shock that it's worth skipping.Alternatively you can always just go lighter on defensive nodes and pick it up anyway.Malefic Momentum doesn't even cost you pathing, just 1 extra point, so you can pick it up if you feel like it's helping you.>slot a finesse gunNo finesse gun outdamages staff leftclick in gaze, when it comes to sustained DPS. I think the only exception is very specifically las pistol hitting unyielding enemies in the weakspot, which often die before you can even reload, including bosses if your aim is good enough.
>>575556035in psychanium maybe tranner, but in real situation? Nah it gets outshinned
>>575556035you won't get a chance to use it properly because everyone else will kill shit too fast for you to get decent value out of it
>>575553805spageddi gode :DD
>>575556691well that entirely depends on what we're playing with. A decent roombler will steal all the kills before soulblaze gets them. But quickplay also often leads to 3 retards, in which case the firestaff will carry the game because it's still op.
>>575557098I get the feeling that you've never successfully played melee psyker, and never leftclicked a different staff before. As in, actually using it and shooting enemies with it. I get having a favorite build but this is pretty sad.I guess that's just what people are like, that know nothing but slaving whatever meta a jewtuber spoonfed them. Never played havoc but has to use whatever the havoc meta is because he's too dumb to make his own build and wants to pretend to be a havoc pro.
>>575557289I'm nta, and what I said is correct. Two things can be OP at the same time, even though one overshadows the other.
I'm hearing a ticking noise but I'm currently dealing with a pesky sniper in an impossible spot while dodging 5 ragers, surely one of my teammates will push that poxburster away, I don't have to do EVERYTHING in the group, right?
>>575557098>3 retards, in which case the firestaff will carry the game because it's still opflame staff is inherently not even that good of a carry build. you want mobility, survivability and some mix of instant room clear, stealth or good zoning potentialstaff will kill everything eventually but without anybody to take aggro off you it's hardly optimal
>>575557732CASUALTY
>>575557891I don't know what your point is or where the goal posts are going. If you can't carry auric with purgatus, given the opportunity, then that's a skill issue on your part. All I'm saying is that the firestaff is OP, it can and will carry games as long as there aren't someone else on the team using even more OP shit.
>>575556035I don't see how it can be overpowered when surge staff outdamages it and dosn't require you to dance around enemies while dots slowly deplete their hp
>>575558548>while dots slowly deplete their hpsounds like a build issue, respectfully. i've seen anons post fire builds that could do like 70% more damage
>>575558697More than fucking what?You seem to have a comprehension problem. The post is about aurics.
>>575558697>builds that could do like 70% more damageNTA but I could say the same about every leftclick staff build that I see. I'm raping everything and invalidating every gunner in existence while also taking down bosses and hordes of armor like it's nothing, and then I'll see some moron in copeg struggle to make the staff work. Doesn't even matter what staff, all of the staves that have actual leftclick projectiles can build nearly the same and be extremely strong, the shock staff just happens to have better DPS in doing so, trading it for a rightclick that is only useful for opening up bulwarks or catching dogs.
>>575558480how is it OP when loads of better options exist? you can argue auric is too easy but flame staff does not reach the absurd levels of damage output it does in high havoc because the density scaling isn't there.
>>575558921>More than fucking what?more than what they have. >You seem to have a comprehension problem. The post is about aurics.i know that's what I'm talking about. Soulblaze should not "slowly deplete their hp" if the build is well made. It should go really fast. What the fuck is happening here today. Am I getting trolled? I'm getting trolled aren't I... I need to stop taking bait. I apologize.
>>575559029>I could say the same about every leftclick staff build that I seeyou could, but I don't see how that's relevant. One does not invalidate the other. >>575559130two things can be OP at the same time, no?
>>575559270if it doesn't stand out in any way it's not OP, the game is just easyflame staff grows relatively stronger the more shit there is on screen, and in auric there just isn't. so if you want to trivialize the game you're better off running something else or half the time you'll simply be trailing your team as they shred everything
>>575559413see>>575557098we're going in circles.
>>575559131You have a fucking skill issue and/or can't make a functional built and stand by metaslaving, without even realizing that havoc meta is far from being strongest in auric.
>>575559545you seem incapable of understanding the fact that different difficulties have different metas and the entire concept of opportunity costin auric, there are loads of other builds that will easily outdamage the flame staff psyker and also have an easier time carrying the game. in the auric meta, the flame staff is not outstanding in any way. people tend to bitch about the flame staff because it doesn't get cucked by the massive increased hit mass blobs of enemies in havoc like other weapons do, which leads to it being a dominant pick. but that's an issue with specifically how the way havoc scales difficulty just happens to affect the staff less. remove the particular difficulty scaling and it's just one of many strong weapons.
>>575559902lol u mad
>>575559953concession accepted.
>>575559902There's no meta in auric. It's a playground. You seem incapable of understanding the very simple fact that multiple things can be OP at the same time. That's literally all I'm saying. I never said flame staff was the top number 1 weapon in the game or anything like that. >>575559641I'm the opposite of a meta slave. I run absurd builds like chainsword skitarii. I avoid the meta like the plague.
>>575538559scoomsome kind of dual wieldaids gas flamerdunno lolsummon a couple of ganger NPCs
>>575538559zealot2h chain axemelta
>>575539773>flies towards vanguard>doesn't even stick to itLiterally every single new enemy they've introduced in Darktide is nothing but pure gigaids cancer """designed""" to make the experience as miserable as possible, not even memeing lol
Ogryn's Heavyweight talent should include all Monstrosities, it's weird that it doesn't.
>>575560534>There's no meta in auric. It's a playground.there's a meta in everything. you could probably come up with a meta for malice if you wanted to, something that clears the map the fastest with the least effort given the enemy density and squishiness
>>575561029I think vanguards are a deliberate shitpost>oh, you don't like bulwarks?>ok have this then
>>575561528what does "meta" mean to you? There might be a language barrier here.
>>575561528>there's a meta in everything.>clears the map the fastest with the least effortSemantics, but you're referring to the erroneous and fictitious backronym of "most effective tactic available", which is not actually what meta refers to. It's usually shorthand for what the top usage in any given metagame is, but most used does not necessarily equal most effective, people just often conflate the two.It does often mean what most people THINK is most effective, but again, people can be quite wrong, especially in the lower difficulties where they just don't know better.For example, I'm fairly certain the most meta build for any havoc range is flame staff bubblecuck. Anyone that actually plays h40 and has played with enough psykers to have a large enough sample size, will know that shriek massively outperforms bubble in almost every metric. It's the most effective, but not the most played. For a long time, smoke grenades were considered off-meta memes by those who simply did not know.
>>575562106thank you
Sienna is made for sex with me
>>575547712Thanks for the explanation. I saw the duelling blade and it does seem strong but I won't use it because it doesn't fit aesthetically (maybe for female characters). So I'm supposed to switch it up between normal and heavy attacks? Because whenever I try a heavy attack I take waaaayyyy too much damage so I just gave up on it. I see a horde, I just spam click my autos and dodge every 1-2 seconds once. Revving up the chains word or electrifying up the power sword seem really cool but usually it only lasts for like 1 or 2 attacks so I usually don't bother with it.
>>575562679>(maybe for female characters)Unknowingly took a fat dump on all the troons in this general lolmao
>>575562679>Because whenever I try a heavy attack I take waaaayyyy too much damagePut on headphones, leave your voice chat, turn off whatever music you have blasting over the game audio, and listen for the audio cues. Darktide is designed in a way where random damage is supposed to never happen. You should always have time to listen for the sound and dodge or slide out of the way, and in some cases push.The few exceptions are when the game audio chokes, or bursters bug out and either spawn completely silent, or only start playing their ticking once they round the corner. Or silent crushers. None of which are intended and are just fatshark being incompetent retarded hacks. At least audio bugs are somewhat rare-ish, and it's only crushers that are consistently silent.
This is your rumbler ogryn speakingYou don't need to waste ammo shooting in to a horde when a single grenade will kill most and stagger all of themKill the shooters and gunners insteadRetard
Why CAN'T i name my skitarii Pornloader420?
>>575561029>>575539773https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubaW874u_FY
>>575538559OgrynSlab Shield with power maulHeavy bolter
Do you guys know if there's a mod that can track # of activations of an ability in a match? I know there's the uptime mod for things with a duration, but I'd like to get a ballpark of how many activations of Machine Spirit Resurgent I get on average, trying to decide if it's worth taking on the mpsword or not. do not come at me about how the mpsword is dogshit or that finesse is broken on it, that's not the point here.
>>575565567mars power sword is dogshit and the finesse modifier on it is broke
>>575566197niggerthat's not even what it's called
>>575562106>but you're referring to the erroneous and fictitious backronym of "most effective tactic available",no, I am referring to the game theoretic concept of the metagame. people who only play malice will navigate to different builds that kill shit faster in malice without making any sacrifices or tradeoffs that they don't have to.havoc 40 meta builds have to make sacrifices to be survivable in that environment that are not relevant in lower difficulties. if optimizing for auric (or malice) you can afford to use weapons, talents, blessings and perks that wouldn't be viable in havoc
>>575568504>navigatewtf, meant to write "gravitate"
>>575568618>>575568504>>575562106and if you still don't get it, here's a specific example: psyker with recon lasgun, maxxed assails and duelling sword. completely retarded build even for auric but in malice it will demolish flame staff psyker on scoreboard every single time, because it can kill small groups of unarmored enemies much faster and much sooner (longer range)
>4 wounds ogryn
I hate the heavy ogryn voice, he sounds like some edgy obese incel who thinks being an asshole and a contrarian is a personality
>>575570085Had a 5 wounds hive scum in an auric match a while back, made me do a double-take. I've seen bad builds but I ain't never seen that shit before.
>>575570194He sounds like a cockney criminal, you out-of touch retard
>>575566293should have brought a med skull
>>575570436And he sounds retarded and bad. A fucking dogshit personality.
>>575570992He sounds more intelligent and interesting than you
Buff chainswordsBuff chainaxesBuff eviscerators
>>575569261i don't get it, can you explain it one more time pls?
>>575571312Chain weapons are already super powerful in Malice so therefore they don't need buffs :)
>>575571312The only thing they could do with the chainaxes would be to make the damage so high that it makes up for the awkwardness of using it. Also they would be best used on the arbites
New grid zones, varlets. Time to do expeditions.
>>575570436>>575571123uh oh we triggered a brownoid here
>>575571672haha no
So 1 chaos space marine would canonically solo the rejects + the entire inquisition ship right?
>>575572523No because Hallowette is a black girlboss so she'll save the day
>>575572523Yes
>>575572289Obvious turdworlder projection. I don't care if you don't like the character, the poster just sounded so fucking retarded that he deserved to get shat on
>>575572523Lmao not a chance in hell
>>575572523You know the rogue trader ship we're on is like the size of New York City and has tens of thousands of people on it right?
>>575572798>still seethingCAM ON ENGERLAND SKORRR SUM FOKING GOAAAAAL ITS CAMIN HOOOOOEEEEM
Rejects are rejects at the end of the day. As soon as GW decides they've had enough they're gonna get off-screened by 1 chaos space marine because who gives a shit.Alas, is the fate of all 40k filler characters
>>575572813>>575572915Then how come we still have no CSM enemies?
>>575572915>tens of thousandsis that it lol? fantasy settings can never get populations to be a normal number
>>575571672I had to stop playing this shit because the constant sprinting strains my pinky too much.
>>575572523reject teams kill groups of enemies that squads of space marines would lose against
>>575573060https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/342start cheating
>>575573092Aka, they're non canon mary sues
>>575571312We should have characters like this it would make me very happy >>575572523Expert shitpost bait out of nowhere
>>575572915Source? I don’t think we’re given any kind of size statements about the Morningstar, but it definitely seems to be on the smaller end for a RT vessel, certainly not NY sized
>>575573019Because an average CSM would assrape a party of 4 random faggots (except an ogryn and maybe psyker if they got a shield up) before they could even blink
>>575572942>the turdskin thinks still thinks i give a shit about the characterYou read >>575570194 and thought you found someone who was equally as retarded as you and now you're desperate to defend your turd-twin even if it means scraping the bottom of the barrel for replies
>>575573019Because this isn't Fantasy. Chaos in fantasy were always set up to be the enemies of everything. Chaos Knights fought armies to murder hobo's like the U5.CSM in 40k are designed to primarily be enemies to Space Marines. And thus as soon as they go into a plot with a bunch of no named characters of a lesser faction like the Rejects are, it's typically to cull the herd.
>>575569261Yes anon, a "worse" weapon can kill things faster on easy peasy difficulty. We understand that malice can be completed faster using a knife assail revolver psyker. But this does not magically make a weapon not-op. It just means the difficulty isn't high enough to show off the weapon's true power. If you want to make a separate weapon tier list for each individual difficulty where performance is measured by completion time, that's fine. But it's not how we typically measure power level of weapons.
>>575573368*Mourningstar
>>575573368*Moorningstar
>>575573368*Morningsaar
>>575573962
>>575573573imperial guard fights chaos space marines and wins tho
>>575573092Not really. Everything we’ve fought has vastly varying power levels. SMs have taken on just about everything we have and won pretty sure.
>>575571672I have done one expedition. The only way to make me do a second one is adding whoremaxxed nipslip visible bush sweaty midriff slutmogs and tie them exclusively to expeditions
>>575573150Thanks. Maybe I'll grind out those stupid penances while watching slop after all...
>>575574883When there are like 20 guardsmen magdumping bolters/plasma rounds into every target, yes
>>575575904lasguns can kill a space marine, you just have to find the power dial
>>575575089space marines have definitely been mulched by daemonhosts
>>575571603Speaking from experience?
>>575575904or when they use any of the number of heavy support/anti-armor weapons they have. scoring a hit is not easy but a lascannon will still kill a marine of any description.
>>575575904>they only win when they fight back that doesnt count
>>575573596>But this does not magically make a weapon not-op.it does actually. get it through your thick skull that weapon power is relative to both your alternatives and your opponents. if it loses out to a fucking braced autogun in practical damage output in a specific gamemode, it's weaker than the braced autogun in that gamemode.if swedes balance the game around malice and heresy, then their data accurately shows that the weapon is not overperforming.
>>575577089Yes, but not all daemonhosts are uniformly powerful (ours in particular is gutter trash tier that can’t be even be commanded), like everything else we’ve fought,
>>575572523No. You can just slide to dodge his ranged attacks and normal dodge to gain iframes for his melee attacks
>>575577940Uuummm acskhually Space Marines can run at 50mph, swing faster than the eye can see and shoot thing moving at the speed of light (nothing of this is ever portrayed in any media ever, including the rulebook stories).
I thought mobility is the dump stat? Now I watch a video where he said mobility is king. What is it now?
>>575579618Mobility (the concept) is king. Mobility as a stat is the dump stat for everyone who doesn't know better. If you don't know better, you dump mobility, and it will never be the wrong choice. There are very few weapons where taking 80% mobility is worth it, usually because another stat is less important, but this is very specific and niche and I'm not going to explain it all in one post. Also there is much skubbing from severely autistic retards that you MUST dump mobility else they throw a tantrum.
>>575579618The true answer is that a pure 76% weapon is the ideal in all cases.
>>5755797747 6?I prefer 6 7
>>575578787At least two of those have definitely been portrayed and talked about
>>575579774Technically not too far from the truth for the relic blade, which has a breakpoint at 76% heat. 80% heat wastes 4% as it does nothing.
>>575579873Where do you put that extra 4% at then? And is it enough to make a difference in whatever stat you do put it in?
>>575579932>Where do you put that extra 4% at then?Your dump stat, usually mobility. >And is it enough to make a difference in whatever stat you do put it in?No, not really. You technically gain marginal speed boosts by taking 80% mobility and dumping damage, which is safe to do on the RB because it seems to only affect the base damage. The charged damage bonus seems to be governed by Power Output, and the overall damage loss from dumping the damage stat is actually microscopic if you only swing it while powered, which is how it's correctly used. Indeed, spamming light attacks with as much attack speed as possible is a waste of the weapon, just use an eviscerator at that point.
>tired of relying on fucking niggers with two braincells in this fucking monkey-coded swedish game>play Baldur's Gate 3 instead >first roll is critical failurekill me
>>575581424>he didn't pick halflingngmi
>>575538559Zealot though there's a good chance I'll end up maining Skit 2hand chainaxePlasma pistol
>>575581516>manletsI prefer my cute gnome
>>575581656>gnome
>>575581656I don't remember which of the short stack races I picked but I basically gave her a green skin and just pretended I was a goblin.
>>575579747You're telling me I have to think for myself and my build? Fuck
>>575581815No just dump mobility if you don't want to think about it. Seriously. You cannot go wrong. Dumping something else is autistic minmaxing that you don't need to do.
>>575550859What's the name of this scoreboard mod? I don't like the bloated one
>>575581882Okay I'll do that thanks bro
>>575582050https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/887
>>575582050Not him but I use this one, it's also not bloatedhttps://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/872
Space Marine 2 bros... is it worth reinstalling for this update?
Why the chat doesn't work sometimes? It doesn't even show the Joined Mourningstar thing
>>575583056no
>>575583141The chat servers often just eat shit. It's apparently particularly bad in central Europe. It's not you, it's on their end.You can try this to fix it, but no promiseshttps://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/1028
>>575583254Ah okay I see, thank you What an obtuse design
>>575583141It's a temporary restriction on you specifically for saying something with bad grammar.
>devs dont let you choose bots when you go in to a mission>some bots are just vastly better than others????
>>575583974The fact that darktide ran away from having this is so fucking gay.
Are Scab enemies just better than Dregs because they wear armor or are there some other stat differences?
>>575581424>>575581656This game could have been so much better
>>575584738But enough about Darktide
>>575584205dregs have,slightly more suppression resistance,their gunners create more suppressionOnly have stalkers as basic ranged enemies, scabs also have basic shooters. Stalkers have a 4x damage multiplier against toughness but lower base damage, shooters have higher base damage and no additional bonus, making them better at hurting health. Dreg Ragers attack faster and move farther when attacking compared to scab ragers.
>>575579861Space marines have 6" of movement, which is exactly the same as guardsmen
>>575572523No. We'd wreck an individual marine. Not even a contest.
>>575579618The concept of remaining mobile is king. The mobility stat on weapons is a dump stat because there isn't much of a difference between 60 and 80%
Is the new Scarab Occult Terminator boss also in Siege/horde mod ?
>>575584205They have different specials and elites.In a scab only seed you'll see no tox flamer or bomber at all, and a higher density of crushers and maulers.
>>575588582you can get some ridiculous air on a mobilitymaxxed tacaxe with a dodgemaxxed psyker or scum thoughbeit
>buy a few vet cosmetic tops from time to time>always just go back to using the deluxe edition topCan't beat perfection I suppose.
>>575588860Yeah it is
>kf3>play gunslinger>wave 2 I can buy my fully customized purple akimbo pistols>play literally any other class, even commando>gun progression through the waves is ???>buying your fully customized purple gun by boss wave is not a guaranteewhat the fuck
>>575590491kf3 was a mistake
>>575586048>stalkersGeneric rifle mooks can be them? How do you tell them apart?
>>575590491Is that with or without the skill that reduces shop cost by 25% on rank 1?
>>575591431With commando's preferred customer skill. Also, gunslinger's operation budget is much higher. Is that tied to level or just class?the most fucked up part is commando's discount is 25% and gunslinger's is 42%
>>575590965Scab stalkers are the guys with the bare arms and no goggles. Shooters, have the glowing goggles and are fully clothed, they also have bayonets on the end of their guns.
BLASTHAVERS...
>>575592057servers shitting themselves? there's no way they're down to mid triple digits already
>>575592226The servers broke before the guard did.
>>575590491Legitimately curious why people bought KF3
>someone brings up [game that is not darktide]>deriding comments about [game that is not darktide] and steamcharts posts appear>this is the [games that are not darktide and also darktide] general!
>>575586393Not talking about the table top
>>575592027What the hell? For some reason I had the two mixed up.
KNEEL
>>575593295I still don't have this one. Because I never play Vet
>>575593397You're literally me.
>>575593295I don't even remember getting this achievement.
I still don't have the kill 20 enemies with headshots consecutively cheevo
>>575592027Interesting, i thought they were the same enemy but just with different skins for variety
>>575593619I imagine it would be really easy to get with Skitarii if you don't want to use brain burst
>>575593763I've actually been playing Skitarii but mainly Arc Rifle and I assume the arc kills reset it everytime.
>>575593295>>575593523
>>575593397I enjoy Weapon's specialist vet
>>575593637No. They're different enemies with different logic. The shooters try to stay in cover and shoot you from afar, the stalkers shoot from the hip and approach you.
>>575573163i mean yeh
I just watched a video about expedtions. What a retarded mode.
speaking of logic, what the fuck are these niggas supposed to do when you attack them in melee? I am pretty sure they are supposed to kick or run but like 30% of the time they'll just stand there and magdump you at point blank range
>>575596250They're not nearly as guilty of that as reapers are. Those are the biggest pieces of shit.
>>575596429them too yes but I've heard people complain about that. but just this week I've had like three times when I flanked a line of gunners behind cover to lock them up in melee and a bunch of them just stood there and shredded me despite being in melee range and even getting hit
>>575596250Dreg gunners have bayonets they poke you with but that's not the case with scab>>575596429Even worse, they don't have to be facing you to shoot you. Reapers probably down me more than any non specialist because I can't tell if they're targeting me half of the time
>>575596720>that's not the case with scabthey do a kick. I think. I am pretty sure I've been kicked by them many times. usually they run. but often they just freeze there and turn into stationary turrets that hose me down
>>575596720>can't tell if they're targeting me half of the timetoday I ate a crusher overhead when I was standing 90 degrees off to the side and the crusher was obviously targeting a skittles. I was rushing in to stab the crusher in the neck from behind his left ear, he hit the ground in front of him, and I fucking went down.
>>575592946If space marines were faster than guardsmen they would be fasterThey are notNobody cares about your book OC
>>575596819They do kick but not if they're already firing on you, much like Reapers. If you want to approach Scab gunners or Reapers in melee, then you need a way to stun or stagger them out of firing, lest they just shred you at point blank
>>575597172NTA but I would imagine you have the intellectual capacity to separate the two things, it shouldn't be too difficult mind you. By "nobody cares" you actually mean you don't care, which is fine, extending that to everyone else is shitposting. You don't speak for everyone else. And no character from official content is "OC".I'm a bit tired of seeing stupidty.
Why are retards spamming they need ammo in the event where you can't find any
>>575599505Because they can't find any
>>575599635Yeah I'm not surprised by that but how can they not notice that you literally can't find any. Spamming you need ammo won't change drop RNG. Just hope that one of enemy in the mission drops a crate and shut up man
>>575599505Sorry, I keep misinputting while trying to tag stuff. I know there isn't much ammo
>>575599505if you hit reload while out of ammo your guy says "I need ammo" in the chat and in voiceif you've got the habit of reloading whenever out of combat or spastically cycling weapons it happens by accident constantly
>>575600991Oh I didn't know that. If that's the case they really need to manage their ammo better on a mission with no item spawns.
>>575601162many weapons only get a couple of reloads so you might have a significant fraction of your ammo left and get that message. many builds only use the "gun" (whatever it may happen to be) for special sniping.
>>575598813I can separate the two things just fine. The rules are made for things within the setting to interact in a sensible mannerBook OC is written with no regard for consistency or believability and only concerned with what a given author thought was cool so it can be safely disregarded as a sourceSaying space marines move faster than guardsmen because it happened in a book is like saying sports agents run faster than average people because Tom Cruise ran fast in Jerry Maguire. It's nonsense
>>575597172>>575601604That’s just not how this works. This was explained to you already. The company itself disagrees with you about this. That’s really all the evidence needed to show that you’re wrong. If you want to talk about table top that’s fine, but everyone else is free to talk about the other officially released material and it’s just as valid.
>>575597172Tabletop isn't accurate to the actual lore and never has been.
>>575596429A big fat reaper chaos ogryn chad SHOULD be mildly resistant to your puny little melee weapons.
>>575572523>So 1 chaos space marine would canonically solo the rejects + the entire inquisition ship right?Unironically yes. Anyone else is just coping
>>575602783There are thousands of krak grenades on that ship. He can't tank or avoid all of them.
>>575602756he shouldn't be able to shoot me through his own fat buttocks when his gun is facing a completely different direction
>>575602783not accurate to tabletopnot accurate to secondary fluff (books)not accurate to tertiary slop (the game)a chaos marine on his own can be taken down by a couple of guardsmen, if they have the right equipment and know what to do. a company sized unit of chaos marines can take down a planetary government because they>know when to strike>know where to strike>know how to strike>can execute with absolute confidence>have an army of shitters to back them up usually, or do some sort of mix between a decapitation strike and 5th column cult rebellionCSM and SM can do a lot but only by using speed, aggression and violence of action. They are still vulnerable to a regular military force in an up front battle.
>>575603282i've yet to see it happen
>>575602783SCM's are turbo jobbers even among other chaos tards, they stand no chance against named and helmetless opponents
>>575602783A chaos marine gets brought down by a single grenade thrown by a regular imperial guardsman in GW's latest 40k cinematic, I think you overestimate how strong they are
>>575604289You'll see it eventually. It's not a common bug but it does exist, and it's very annoying when it happens at a bad moment
>>575604289Visually, the reaper's turning speed is slower than their actual targeting, so they could be slowly turning to face you but their gun is still shredding you at point blank. It usually happens when you try circling around them at melee
>>575604773That’s not what happened? There were several other people shooting at him and he face tanked it>>575603635They’re also massively physically superior to a lot of the forces the Imperium can field and their logistical and organizational capabilities are way beyond what most can cope with.
>>575601820>>575602650>officially released material explicitly created to determine how units in the setting compare doesn't matter when comparing units>only officially released material that jerks off units i like matters
I imagine your average no name marine would be marginally stronger than most bosses (imagine the twins combines), but not a completely insurmountable force.
>>575607754Both sources matter and are valid, if someone says they aren’t talking about the table top then that’s fine because the two should be kept separate
>>575607259>That’s not what happened? There were several other people shooting at him and he face tanked itHe is literally brought to his knees by a single grenade, then tries to get up afterwards while the other guardsmen are shooting at him. The idea that a single marine can take down an entire inquisitorial vessel by himself is ridiculous
>>575607782The way the twins move is actually close to how I imagine them running around myself. Just significantly better than both all around.
everytime I see someone complain about something being to easy that I'm struggling with I get the urge to self harm lol
mfw psyker that joins is an inferno staff + dome shitter
>le PVP UPDATE!!!!!!What is in the water that makes all coop devs become braindead retards
>>575607782A bit weaker. A plague ogryn/chaos spawn/daemonhost is individually a bigger threat than an individual plague marine.
>>575588860>>>/vm/sm2g if you didn't know>>575588418An entire Inquisitor retinue/warband/ship would probably kill one individual marine, not sure how many he'll take with him.one (1) vs 4 trained operatives, I don't know. It depends on the formation. Lore-wise, same.
>>575608465We see him successfully getting g back up and tanking several more shots. Hes very clearly not dead.
>>575609590Chaos spawns and daemonhosts can vary in power rather significantly. A plague ogryn is stronger than a plague marine but it doesn't have the ceramite armour or the enhanced physique of an astartes. Also, ogryns don't have ten thousand years worth of combat experience. I'd say the plague marine would still be a step above in risk rating, both tactically and strategically.
>>575610513>We see him successfully getting g back up and tanking several more shots. Hes very clearly not dead.So? If a single grenade from a regular guardsman can bring him down to the point where he's struggling to get back up on his feet then what do you think a nuke from an Ogryn will do? Or a chem grenade from the Scum? CSM are obviously not pushovers but anyone who claim they're all somehow so strong they need loyalist marines or something stronger to take them on have clearly not been exposed to much 40k at all.
>>575609950>An entire Inquisitor retinue/warband/ship would probably kill one individual marineInquisitorial warbands vary massively in size and scope. Some have fairly small warbands and a tiny ship like Eisenohorn. Other have an entire warship or several and potentially hundreds or thousands of men under their command. Depending on how radical the Inquisitor is with allowing sanctioned xenos and the like, they could potentially have the equivalent of a small army at their disposal backed up by extremely potent xeno tech or xeno troops.This statement means functionally nothing. It would take at least a full tactical squad of marines boarding the a ship the size of the Mourningstar with as many men at arms present as in Grendyl's warband.
>>575610976Marines vary in power too. We're not talking about some helmetless named character showing up on the field. We're talking about nameless helmeted marines. Secondaries keep wanking off the ceramite armor but are ignornant to the fact that there are things that are TOUGHER than ceramite power armor. Such as the hides of monstrous daemonic opponents that feel no pain. From a big picture perspective a marine might be a bigger threat to the hive since he might be smart and sneaky and do something like sabotage key utilities or whatnot, but if we're dropping a no-name chaos marine into an arena with fucking daemons and telling them to have an ultimate death battle, then only a fucking retard will be voting on the marine to win.
>First of all, I really must correct the record about Lady Kerillian the All-Wise and Ever-Beautiful, may I one day be worthy of cleaning her boots with my tongue.
>>575611264I’m not debating the prompt dude, you claimed a single grenade “brought him down” when it at best was a blow he was beginning to brush off seconds later, that’s all I’m disputing, but I will say the average one could very well tank those too (just not all at once)
>>575612006I'm going to zoink it to kerillian now
>fucking around in malice for grims so i don't grief auric lobbies >just me and a level 67 vet with two bots >plague tree mission >do the first two scans ez pz, already picked a grim up>decide to run a little experiment >decide to ignore the third objective entirely and let buddy here do it >he's definitely not new so should be a piece of cake for him >start observing >bot walking everywhere, never sprinting >doesn't use his shout, not even once >only swings his melee using lights >never pulls his auspex out >whatever i don't have anything else to do lets keep this going >his health is constantly ticking due to the grim >dies 4 times to bursters/random mobs >i'm chilling, i'm ogryn and there's two medicai charges downstairs >after about twenty minutes decide to help him a bit >scan 2/3 objectives, find the last one so it's marked >he's roaming around downstairs for a few minutes, finally dies >respawn him, he wanders around a bit more before gradually making it to the waypoint>just starts attacking it with his melee and then wanders off>dies again, this time for the 8th time>revive him again, we're now nearly half an hour since i started this little experiment >he wanders around a bit more aimlessly swinging at shit and then afks>oh shit he's about to ask me for help or something. ANY spark of sentience >leaves squad all in all an extremely entertaining time that i would repeat. I had an open mic negree in my lobby last night who was actually more useful than this guy. It's bewildering how these people reach level 50+ playing the game in this way. That's dozens of hours spent without a single thought entering their head it's amazing really.
>>575611963> Marines vary in power too. Not nearly to the same extent as Warp borne/touched entities do. Of course you have Marines who are clearly a cut above the rest even discounting protagonists and stuff but overall you can establish a baseline way easier for them way easier than you can daemons and stuff who go from being fended off by the IG to overrunning heavily fortified imperial worlds with minimal numbers depending on any numbers of factors. Daemons are not uniformly powerful in a way that you have to specify which ones you’re thinking of and under what conditions because otherwise yeah CSM might very well win, it’s not like a fucking Greater Daemon is on par with a Daemonic beast or something.
Ceramite armor is the Worth of armors. Everyone knows that it is supposed to be very strong, but it also constantly jobs to things that cut through it like butter.
Sm2 shows astartes can just run into regular people to kill them so I imagine no one but an ogryn could fight melee
>>575612736thats why you dodge the sprint attack
>>575612264>you claimed a single grenade “brought him down”A single grenade quite literally brings him down, yes. Do yourself a favour and stop being pedantic about this. Eisenhorn kills an Emperor's Children champion level chaos space marine in single combat. And he's a single inquisitor. Granted one of the strongest ones, but just like for humans CSM have power levels and making sweeping statements about how they can easily take out entire warbands on their own is just stupid.
>>575612603That was a console NPC 100%, they're ALWAYS like that lol
>>575612687The variance for individual daemons is greater, but it is blindingly apparent that you have no clue just how WEAK space marines are on an individual level. The can readily be taken down by individual krak grenades or plasma gun shots.The strength of space marines doesn't come from them being invincible greek gods of war. It comes from them being really fucking good at coordinating strikes with other forces. Deep striking into a position that isn't prepared for an attack, working in concert with combined arms and danger close artillery/airstrikes, etc. They excel at that kind of special forces work. But throw them into an arena and tell them to brawl and they're nothing particularly special in the grand scheme of things.
>>575612710>Worth
>>575613609fuck, you're right.
Why didn't this 'no map drops' event get shown anywhere? The only way to know it is even happening is to open the game or get lucky reading somewhere like here when someone talks about the event, I can't even find it on the forum.
>>575612710>Mr Data please escort Mr 'Worth' to sickbay to be evaluated by Dr Crusher
>>575613523I can and have cited examples in the past of space marines taking ordinance on that level or even surpassing it (and also dodging them because they’re stupidly fast and not just immobile tanks that stand there and soak everything up) so that’s not true. The rest of your post isn’t necessarily wrong, but you’re simply downplaying their physical strengths and potency that doesn’t align with how they’re frequently portrayed in source material.
>*fixes your game*https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/1003
>>575612859I thought you meant brought him down as in finished him off. I still suspect this is what you meant but whatever as long as we agree he didn’t die. >Eisenhorn kills an Emperor's Children champion level chaos space marine in single combatDude, Eisenhorn beats a CSM by cheesing him with a magic book that forces him to read it when he touches it. He’s one of the most capable Inquisitors around and he still barely won. It’s made overwhelmingly clear that entire fight he’s on the backfoot to the point he can barely even parry blows from him, and this is despite messing with his mind to throw him off balance and other trickery iirc. You’re making it sound like he walked up to him and clubbed him to death. Not even sure why you’re bringing this up, obviously CSMs can be beaten and aren’t invincible and I never stated otherwise. Still not touching your warband comment because that’s not what I’m addressing (“warbands” itself is such a vague umbrella it’s obviously a weird statement to even make).
>>575614501Powerscaling of marines is stupidly inconsistent from media to media, let alone from writer to writer
>>575612859abnett just writes chaos marines as hilariously weak
>>575614828A Jurgen kills a marine by pointing at one and clicking on him with a melta gun. FACTS.
>>575614853It’s inconsistent but not the point that it isn’t possible to establish a baseline for them, though at the end of the day it’s going to come down to which interpretation you prefer, but the sources exist all the same
>>575614785darktide is not beating the trannycore allegations
>Marinewankers faces when marines are attacked by ordinary mundane weapons that are rated to defeat ceramite armor
So you're telling me they dropped a big dlc and went 3 months on vacation with total radio silence?
>>575615796THROWING KRAKKRAK OUT
>>575615998new here?
>>575615998Yes, but you're forgetting the "we hear you" message when they return and then another two weeks to recover from their vacation. We might get a month before develop slows down to a halt due to cold weather. Then there are the winter holidays.
>>575616072Yes Sir I joined the joined the Inquisition a month ago o7
>>575615796WILL ROCK YOU
>>575616170how are they still alive as a company
>>575616367They caught lightning in a bottle one time and they've just been running with it since then.
>>575616208CUTE
>>575615796Even a Custodes can get punked with a simple blast to the face, pic related.
>>575615998Pretty much. Darktide gets in-game events but they're just a map modifier with some crafting resources and a frame or badge that goes next to it as the reward.
>>575616454I'm not cute! I'M A WARRIOR!
>>575615998Should have been there for the beta and launch man, I love the game but the schedule these guys keep for updates/community communication is more esoteric than the Thousands Sons sorcery.
>>575616367because they used to have some genuine talent and good idea people there that was smothered by general incompetence and swedish spite and now they’re running on fumes >>575616547qrd?
>>575616547why is there a nigress on a throne? Is it AI?
Plague ogryn: M5" T7 Sv5+ W3 Ld7+, Melee A3 WS3+ S6 AP-1 D2 (Lethal hits)Chaos spawn: M8" T5 Sv4+ W4 Ld7+, FNP5+, Melee AD6+2 WS4+ S5 AP-1 D2Plague marine: M5" T6 Sv3+ W2 Ld6+, way too many weapon options for me to botherDaemonhost (Imperial agents lol, no chaos rules): M6" T3 Sv5+ W3 Ld7+, 5+ Invulnerable save, Melee A4 WS3+ S4 AP-2 D1 (Lethal hits, Psychic)Fluff secondaries go play TT or go to hell.
>>575617164I bet your favorite pony is Rarity
>>575617164no one cares fag read a book
>>575617360Rarity worst pony. Only Rainbow Dash is worthy of being in my jar.
>>575616454I joined this like three weeks ago too bro
>>575616547GURRLLLL you KNOW I fuck wit dem spass mureens
>>575617950Yeah okay whatever.
>>575616680I bet you make all you characters short>>575617072>>575617123>>575617958The one on the cover is the Queen of Knight World and decides to rebel against the Imperium because her Daughter was killed in the Battle of Gathalamor. When the Imperials return her body they basically start using her daughter's body as a tool to bargain for more resources from the Knight World and she snaps kind of (also she's been influenced by an agent of Chaos all along you find out at the end, but really most of it is her own idiocy thinking she could get away with such a valuable as a Knight World). To the point however, at the funeral for the daughter, the Knight World dudes all betray the Imperials and blast the one Custode in their group immediately with a thermal lance. I mean not a terrible plan to get rid of him first since he's one of the biggest threats there if you are going to go with a stupid ass rebellion plan.
SHIT WE HAVE NEW PLAYERS IN THIS VERY THREAD PUT ON YOUR COOL FACE!
>>575618017Why does that other anon get a special treatment...
>>575618095the uninstall wizard
>>575618110Mercury was in retrograde
>>575618052>I bet you make all you characters shortlol you got me even my skitarii is short with an anime girl voice
>>575618052That's p cool. I've only read assassinorum kingmaker but I really like knight world stuff
>>575618052Interesting. I don’t know how powerful a thermal lance is but I know they’ve survived and tanked some other absurd shit so I’m kind of interested how it compares
>>575618248Part of me regrets making my skitty a dude a little because I keep hearing the voice every where and it's cute.>>575618327Yeah the Dawn of Fire series pretty much touches a lot of the big groups of the Imperium from top to bottom. Fairly good series, just wrapped up, kind of weird that all of it takes place before the Dark Imperium series (Plague War in Ultramar where Guilliman 1v1s Mortarion and in the process gets possessed by the Emperor and makes a direct wound into Nurgle's Garden itself in the warp). It does have ton of characters/story threads I hope get continued in other books, has a lot of setup for Abaddon getting a weapon that could kill Guilliman. I'm back to my Horus Heresy reading now, just getting into the tragedy shit of pic related, these little wizards are probably the 'nicest' astartes out of the bunch so far in the Grand Crusade/Heresy era. Sucks that even though mortals like them nearly all the other legions loathe them as sorcerers who practice dark magic when they don't even realize how the warp works (more the Emperor's fault that anyone at all).>>575618863Honestly it is really fucking strong and they caught him by complete surprise, it was a 100% death sentence for even a Primarch possibly hit head on like he was.
>How it feels to play dodge-maxed hive scum
>>575618863They've been killed by Genestealer Cultists before. There's nothing in 40k that can't be killed by the man-portable heavy weapons each faction has, let alone a knight's cannon
Ogryn's rumbler new Mark: direct explosion instead of a fuze, a bit less dmgyou buying or nah?>that should be the alt fire!I know but Fatshark
>>575620173I can' be arsed to look it up, but isn't a thermal lance basically an anti-superheavy weapon? Something in the ballpark of a shadowsword's gun?
I watched a YouTube video about this guy Phineas Gage who survived getting his frontal lobe blown out by an iron rod. This means that all humans are totally immune to iron rods.
>>575620173>They’ve been killed by Genestealers CultistsWhen?
>>575620952There was another guy who lost 90% of his brain matter to hydrocephalus and didn't even notice. He wasn't smart, but he was functional, had a job, a wife, even kids. Think about that, 90% of the brain gone but still conscious.
>>575621189There was a cult on Terra the custodes insisted on dealing with themselves. In that case it was a matter of sheer numbers rather than individual power scaling.>there's a cult on terraYeah.
>>575621481GIWTWM
>>575619145I’m sure a Primarch could survive it given the kind of things the kinds of things they’ve managed to pull off but a face full of something like that for most people should not end prettily yeah
>>575621481average console player
>>575621481>90% of the brain gone but still conscious.So the average auric teammate?
>is the coolest looking tide class in yuor path
>>575621621I found it. Apparently even though some of them died they inflicted grossly disproportionate losses on the Genestealers in turn which makes sense. Genestealers on the high end are also serious stuff and if they’ve managed to evade detection on Terra of all places they know what they’re doing.
>>575622406magic is gay and sienna is gay. No one can match Saltz's aura
>>575622491Salt and Sienna are my favorites
>>575622406If this were class and cosmetic set in darktide, everyone would be naming it some variation of ghost rider.
>>575620952ok? relevance?
>>575614828>I thought you meant brought him down as in finished him off. I still suspect this is what you meant but whatever as long as we agree he didn’t die.No I just meant literally brought him down to his knees. The point I was making is that if a single guardsman can have that effect on a chaos marine then the overwhelming firepower a group of them, let alone an inquisitorial warband can bring, is gonna be considerably more dangerous for them.All this yapping is irrelevant anyway, 99% of engagement the CSM have is with the imperial guard and not opposing space marines or things of more potent power scaling, and we know for a fact they certainly don't win all those engagements, ergo logic dictates that anyone claiming CSM are more powerful than things we've already been fighting in Darktide is just a stupid chaos simp selectively applying lore and power scaling on their favourite characters to imply they're stronger than they really are.
>>575621189shadow throne >The searing beam of a mining laser stabbed out to decapitate Vexilor Avarnius, prompting cries of fury from his fellow Custodians.KEKstodes btfo'd once again
>>575622941Are you mentally retarded?
>>575622406Nothing feels better than finally clicking with Unchained and blowing yourself up constantly.
>>575623496stop vague posting and spit it out faggot
>>575623191Worth noting that the mining lasers had been modified to have an 11th power setting. It's hilarious that they even can be modified to have that kind of power output.
>>575623186>The point I was making is that if a single guardsman can have that effect on a chaos marine then the overwhelming firepower a group of themWell again, this is going to vastly depend on a lot of factors. Some CSMs are more durable and tanky than others, some have decently fast regen, some are fast enough that they probably wouldn’t even be touched it to begin with. Enough firepower is obviously going to kill mostly anything in the setting period, but unlike regular marines, the introduction of Chaos and particular god blessings kind of throws things for a loop, if it was just one marine against a whole group of a Inquisitors retinue with their own weapons and stuff I probably wouldn’t get on him yeah. >ergo logic dictates that anyone claiming CSM are more powerful than things we've already been fighting in Darktide is just a stupid chaos simpYou’re going in the opposite direction and ignoring context here. The things we’ve been fighting don’t have a fixed level of power so that’s not quite accurate and in fact are in the lower need going off the quality of stuff like the daemonhosts. CSMs losing against a regiment of guardsmen numbering in the hundreds of thousands/millions/whatever does not mean they can’t be more powerful than some of the things we fight or likewise even beat them in a fight too. Again, this also depends on the kind of CSM in question. A Night Lord is not going to fight the same way a Death Guard will.
>>575623589I don't know man. Playing Slayer and showing the rats the Ol'Ranger trick was pretty damn sweet.
>>575623793Also it was an actual headshot (“decapitation”) so not like he just keeled over from a bullet wound
>>575624801>The things we’ve been fighting don’t have a fixed level of powerNeither do marines
>>575625274Even so, auramite is no joke, it's said to be almost quantum inert which makes it pretty fucking hard. Vaporising it in one shot speaks more to the power of the humble bubba'd mining laser than anything else.
>>575625521Correct.
>>575622406Mercenary Kruber and Witch Hunter Captain Salt take that crownWarrior Priest Salt is also pretty awesome
>Wanna play darktide>Bored to hell of every single mapI hate this
>>575626495How do you enjoy maps anyway when you spend most of your time focusing on combat over the eye candy?
>>575622491Redditor's Delight
>>575626495Don't worry, we hear you! New paid class coming in 2027!
>>575627006Because a new map goes beyond simple "eye candy">New layouts>New objectives >New songs>New dialogueAnd yeah, the eye candy is pretty nice too.
>>575627006How do you enjoy weapons anyway when you spend most of your time focusing on combat and most weapond act and feel the same anyway?
>>575627179Fatshark hasn't made a new objective since the train, and even that just reuses data interrogators with a different minigame attached to it. I could personally go for a new map if it's nonstandard like Rolling Steel, but anything similar to the others would just be worthless bloat.
why the dlc classes dont have cosmetics? this game is vexing
>>575627114Shouldn't we be getting another one by October this year?
>>575627846>Fatshark hasn't made a new objective since the train,expeditions????
>>575628570Right, I forgot expeditions was a thing, probably because it's fucking dead.
>>575625521>i dont like the level of power marines are fixed at so ill just ignore it
>>575628012no new class codename was dataminedlook for it to appear in the august update, otherwise I'm thinking they're taking a break from classes
>>575627846I want to see more maps like no-man's land where we aren't in dimly lit corridors 24/7.
>>575628903>muh tabletop stats saysYawn
>>575628979I doubt it, they already said they'll make classes until they can't anymore. The classes also happen to be what sells most consistently, though I don't think most of us would mind if they started releasing weapon packs. New maps are a hard sell for them because they promised they wouldn't charge for those I don't think anyone would care if they broke that promise because we're barely getting new maps anyway
>>575629471Would the vermintide excuse work?>we're not selling the maps>you just need the DLC to HOST the maps>anyone can quickplay into the new maps.
>>575629771It would because ANYTHING is better than barely getting new maps at all.
>>575629917seconding this anon. Some anons would decry that it's going back on a promise and rug pulling but it's paid dlcs or nothing at this point I think
>>575630073>>575629917>>575629771I wasn't asking whether you would accept that arrangement. I was asking whether the VT2 system would violate whatever "promise" that they'd made for darktide. I wasn't aware of that promise. I do remember them saying that we'd get quarterly DLC careers LMAO.
I'm not paying for fucking anything as long as they keep the outrageous MTX pricing and awful cosmetic quality.
>>575630295I doubt they would. Paid gated content made onboarding new players more difficult in vermintide 2 (one of the few lessons they actually learned), thus limiting potential cosmetic purchases. Most importantly primary cosmetic revenue is generated by whales. Whales need other players to engage with in whatever mode/band they play in, even if superficially. Which requires both player access and a steady trickle of new players. Like other social games, you the non-cosmetic purchasing player are part of the product being sold to the whale. Consequently why malice/heresy are still a higher concern, that's where a good portion of the whales swim.
>>575630729I'm fine with that, whales compulsively buying cosmetics helps keep the game alive. A live game is better than a dead game.
>>575631590It barely keeps the game alive thoughSpace marine 2 cosmetics are cheaper AND their extra classes and content are all free and they update more often
>>575614828if we're going there, in books a team of IG commissar with a chainsword + laspistol combo together with his austic adjutant with meltagun is enough to kill individual CSM quite reliably.
>>575631867>It barely keeps the game alive thoughAs opposed to not selling cosmetics at all and losing that revenue stream entirely? SM2 can afford to be cheaper, they have more players because space marines and plenty of people buy the game for the single player alone. Darktide does not have those advantages, so it has to exploit the ones it does have, meaning cosmetic whales.
>>575632125Ciaphas Cain was plot armored well beyond the norm, his entire gimmick was that he survived basically everything the galaxy could throw at him before dying of old age.
>>575611376>Some have fairly small warbands and a tiny ship like Eisenohorn.at what point in his career? in the later episodes he was running his operation from a palace with multiple separate facilities across multiple planets for training operatives ranging from regular kinetic kill teams to psykers to blanks, and had multiple largely independent teams operating in the field under interrogators or trusted combat operatives.then you have niggas like Vail who just roll around in a fully equipped and manned frigate
Ravenor is the cooler inquisitor anyway
>>575632439Ciaphas Cain surviving the duel with the marine with plot armor, but the marine dying to a melta gun is just the ordinary thing that happens when a marine is shot with a melta gun.
>>575631590clearly it's not keeping the game alive if they felt the need to charge for classes
>>575631590Nta, but I find the most outrageous is a recolour pants or helmet being treated as an different item instead of actually colour customization choice. So many of these premium recolour of free pants. They are probably bloated game file size too. Oh, especially stupid visor or hood up and down.
>>575632540Didn't the eisenhorn books end with Eisenhorn being disgraced and wanted by the Inquisition? I remember him sacrificing pretty much everything in pursuit of his target.
>>575633589he started off as a bum, grew his retinue over the course of the books, despite being on the run for a while in the middle, then had some retarded decisions blow up in his face and destroy his little empire and reduce him to a rogue murderhobo fighting heretics by outdoing them in warp bullshit and audacity.but before the fall he had several large bases across multiple planets and employed hundreds if not thousands of people
>skitarri has pet attack double-ping on his normal ping>pings poxburster>kills everyone with noospheric skullare most noospheric users retarded, unironic question
>>575632835he's a dumbass who gets carried hard by his broken psyker powers
>>575633969>try to ping the trapper next to the burster>it pings the burster instead>someone kills the trapper before I can ping it>PANIK
>>575633279Yeah I get that, I'm just saying that making arguments for power scaling using named characters is pretty silly. All scaling goes out the window the instant a character is named. Commissars can and do kill marines in single combat themselves with a fairly even win rate, just don't use Ciaphas Cain as an example, that guy survived frontline combat with every enemy faction, so he's a massive outlier from what normally happens.Space Marines are also partly warp powered due to the nature of the geneseed, it makes perfect sense that a blank would mute them too.Garroposting for no real reason, he's just fucking cool.
>>575634173>>575632835which is admittedly better than Eisenhorn who is also a dumbass but a complete antisocial cunt to boot and doesn't have any real power to back his arrogance
>>575633279>>575632125On the flipside, it took a space marine hugging a melta bomb straight to his chest to blow a hole through it, and even then he kept fighting on for a bit before he kicked the bucket, but I’m not sure how they compare to guns
>>575634226you should always have cover within a dodge or two of your position unless you're quickly moving between rooms. put that between you and the burster.one of the bigger signs of a noob in this game is that they don't path to stick to cover like glue and end up exposed if gunners open up from somewhere
>>575634317Doesn’t he have what is arguably the most powerful daemonhost in existence in his back pocket? Maybe his imperial power is lacking but his personal seems to be up there with the best
>>575634594The panic is less for myself. I can get myself clear of the blast. The panic is more that there is no time to warn teammates away from attempting to push it>voipthere's just no time to get a warning out.
>>575634670I would argue that as an imperial inquisitor having a daemonhost on you is the opposite of power, it's a massive liability that can explode beyond your control and undo all your work at any time
>>575634670It's been ages since I read the Eisenhorn books. I just remember that he lost EVERYTHING in pursuit of his mission.
>>575634781no, I mean put yourself behind cover so the skull can't shoot it. someone else will push or you can draw the burster clear of everyone else and dispose of it safely. or retarget if yo
Ok I'm having way more fun with hive scum than zealot so far, granted I'm only lvl 20 but rampage is cool as fuck and I can just dodge instead of blocking (so far)
Why is there no Krieg Commissar coat?
>>575635281You can just where the other coat
>>575636219*Wear
>>575636219or wear it. but never were-it.
>>575636219It's pretty close but I don't really care for the backpack. Even Ducane's coat would be close enough of a match
>>575618052>>575618863>>575620737It's dreadnought/walker scale, an armiger is about as strong as a dreadnought.He basically got blindsided by a dreadnought with a giant melta.
>>575634971We've lost the witch!
>>575638159yeah that’s fucked no shit he got pulverized
>>575632540In the first book he has like a 10 man crew at most and a small ship.
Can the rejects please get cosmetics that are brand new?I don't like how the skins are all apparently looted from some dead imperial with a name like Eduardo Constanze or some shit
/coopg/ SAY SOMETHIGN
>>575646725I ain't....got too much to say no more...
>>575646224ah...the quintessential darktide aesthetic...homless man with a bizarre amount of gaudy flair...
Went back to my daemonhost punching ogryn build for some power supply interruption event missions, only to discover that when Fatshark fixed Indomitable to always stagger they removed its ability to prime a Chaos Spawn for punching, also makes it slightly more awkward to punch daemonhosts. It's now an enforced stagger state, good for elites as they will remain in their full knocked down stagger animation until they stand up (no more someone taps them and they pop up ready to swing). But it means monsters can't receive the followup needed to punchlock them. Daemonhost can still be done normally, but using the charge resets them letting them attack again once its finished.Sad state of affairs in the land of big strong men.
>>575646725I'm enjoying Space Marine 2
>trying to do champion+legend challenges for vermintide 2>keep getting matched with level 6s and level 12s who all dieSTAY ON VETERAN AND BELOW UNTIL YOU'RE AT LEAST LEVEL 25 REEEEEE
>>575652307I say the same thing about the internet.
>kf3>engineer skill>after throwing your grenade, there will be an interactable where it exploded you can pick up to get your grenade back>no cooldown mentioned, no limits of any kindwhat
>>575654076>playing anything post kf1
>>575646725Here's the new chaos terminus in SM2.https://streamable.com/8iwjl8
>>575648572Just pick PBB and kill the hosts
>>575652307Champion is fine if you know what you're doing and have the level 5 THP talent.
>>575654605That is not punching them though. I feel you've misunderstood the lament. The number of monsters that an ogryn could wrestle into submission has dwindled once again.
>>575646725SOMEONE CALL FOR A BOOM?
>>575656229Just kill them
>>575646725I've unironically stopped playing darktide to focus on new GFL2 and ZZZ content. Playing Havoc 40 every evening gets boring by the second month. Anime tits never get old.
>complete 1 missions with no player deathsI hate how impossible this one is. Randos are like lemmings.
>>575658534just get on voice and tell them they all gotta lock in, sheesh unc
>>575659437>smigger smite extra hard>pops his own head
give ogryn a flail that's just a piece of architecture on a chain
>>575646725I want to play mahjong....
Vanguards aren't so bad when you're using the bonesaw to apply a billion chem toxin dots to them.
>>575665432>spawns 16 of them>they're all up in your face>your team is running away from them
What is it about rolling steel that confuses pubniggers? How do they manage to get lost on this map?
>>575666948trains is hard job
>>575562679>heavy attack damageIt's timing, and it's something you have to get a feel for. I'll go back to the mk.6 power sword as an example.Its attacks are all pretty much horizontal sweeps (exceptions as you go deeper into some combos, but for the sake of argument), so they all work for getting a horde out of your face, but obviously heavies do more damage and will thus cleave through more enemies. Blessings affect this, but again simplicity. However, charging that heavy takes time, and if you get a love tap you can potentially get stunned out of your attack. So if you're being overwhelmed sometimes those quick, light slashes are best to just buy you some breathing room.Speaking of heavies, you don't actually need to fully charge them, that is, hold until the animation triggers on its own. You might not get the full damage bonus, but it will get some and of course counts as a heavy attack for your combo chains. More importantly, heavy attacks have more stagger and can interrupt a dreg rager when it's in your face, so get used to them.Activations. If you don't like the mechanic, steer WELL AWAY from the basic power swords. Without it, you may as well be using polystyrene foam. The key is to get the routine of Activate, do your attacks (Power Cycler blessing is mandatory here, it gives you extra), dodge or push to get space, reactivate (you can try to tap block to animation cancel) and repeat.The chainsword doesn't NEED powering up in the same way unless you're aiming for massive single target damage. It will kill a dreg rager, for instance (the thrust off a block-push attack is quite safe for this), a mutant if you can get your sidestep-and-swipe timing right and it chews through Captain void shields. It just has the problem that crushers exist (for the other carapace boys, know their flak spots if you don't already; the scab rager wears a flak helmet, the mauler only has carapace head).
For no other reason than I hate smiggers, I propose that smite only affect enemies armored in carapace or flak armor. Unarmored/infested enemies shouldn't be stunned. Fuck smiggers. Learn to fight poxwalkers.
Does the backstab sound not play when you're playing as Hive Scum? Numerous times I have been stabbed in the ass and instantly die because no sound played.
>>575666948>What is it about rolling steel that confuses pubniggers?It's timed. Timed missions don't work when you belong 2-3 difficulties below the one selected. The player that fails Rolling Steel is the player that causes missions to drag on for +10-15 minutes over par.Moving and fighting at the same time is a skill most shitters never learn.Making mistakes slows you down, shitters are at least 2 difficulties out of their depth so they constantly eat shit.It's perfectly linear, that means a brain-fogged retard can lose his bearings and, instead of going left or right, only has the option of going backwards and getting dogged upstairs where nobody can shoot the dog off them.The battery plugin absolutely BREAKS the pubnigger's brain because it requires you to not only backtrack (impossible) but also to stop farming the infinitely spawning reinforcements, which they are of course spawn killing, and then dying to a single unit backstabbing them 4 times because they're deaf and never learned the melee.The mission tends to spawn a huge horde immediately after the medicae, which is a DPS check. Pubniggers have non-builds consisting exclusively of random vibes-based meme options with negative synergy, so their DPS is nonexistent.The final hacking objective requires actually sticking together and taking out bombers and snipers. There's also 2 convenient spawn doors right there. You should be able to figure out by now what the pubnigger gravitates toward.The boss spawns after the hack finishes. You're supposed to haul ass and just delete his shield then keep the fucker constantly on his ass by melee raping him. The pubnigger, of course, gets bogged down by 3 poxwalkers on the way there, likely goes down right as the boss spawns, and then gets ledged by the shield pop because positioning is too esoteric of a skill. I'd complain about them using guns instead of melee against the shield, but they're usually down or dead first anyway.
>>575667692while you're jittery as fuck when the serv says an enemy is hitting you, you either eat shit or doge even if there's a distance.
>>575562679>>575667079As for attack patterns, yes, mixing them up can make life easier. You'll have to use the Inspect Weapon screen to see specifics (where it shows the damage values) but one I remember is one of the Catachan swords. If you just slash away with it, you'll get a lot of vertical strikes. They hit reasonably hard (for a light attack) and quickly, but only one target. But if you do a Heavy->Light rotation, you get two wide sweeps on repeat which will solve your poxwalker problems at a stroke, if you'll pardon the pun. And that's one of the simpler ones. Some weapons rely more on these than others; if you're surviving then that's ok, but you can make life a lot easier sometimes.
Could those fucking swiggers at fartshart bother to give us some decent fucking bot teammates? My data center is dead and I can't fucking find people to do mortis trials withWhy can't we have VT2 tier ai teammates? They are capable of it, they are deliberately choosing to gimp us
ratclick is still really fun, but damn it's way harder than shopclickthings i really miss: >toughness/coherency>voiced 'thank you!'/etc callouts>portraits depicting your cosmeticsI hate that my cool knight helmet is barely noticed because kruber's portrait is just default...
>>575670536>doesn't complain about the random rats on a corner shanking you for half your HPs>not the numerous running attacks if you dare dodge backward>not the elf being overpowerednah nah the real problem is not showing off my paypig behavior
>>575670536I feel like I must be one of the few people who feels more invincible with THP than I do with toughness. If the game doesn't 100-0 me I feel like I can just go rolling with the punches forever.
>>575670536Its a hell of a lot more punishing, that's for sure. There's also some real dickhead design like damage being tied to the maximum enemy slot system
>>575670651i haven't paid for any cosmetics, and i'm not good enough at either of the games to easily identify stuff that isn't just skill issues. i just like my cool helmetalthough another criticism would be that they have armour for the bodies that are in different colours, but helmets are all coloured for the default
>>575671159>but helmets are all coloured for the defaultThe secret is that the helmets don't even match the default. They just threw darts at the wall for the helmet colors.But one of the things that anon was talking about was that enemy damage was variable based upon how many enemies were present. If you got shanked by one slave rat when surrounded by a massive swarm, then it won't do much damage. But if you got shanked by a lone slave rat due to carelessness, then that shank would do a ton of damage.
*fart* NIGGERS! :D
>>575672129Brilliant!
>>575590491Gunslinger is batshit levels of broken. You can refill all ammo for free in-between waves, massive weapon discounts, 70% bonus damage to non-headshots and 40% bonus damage to headshots at all times. You can run double grenade launcher with the ability recharge on reload and constantly generate free ammo by activating and cancelling your ultimate since you get a 50% refund on ability charge by canceling it without spending shots.
>>575554965If it cant be tagged then its not a threat and can be ignored, and i shouldnt spend ammo for it, right? :^)
>modder not bloating your simple tool with useless shit and discord jokes, impossible challenge
>>575660838funny looking image>>575661868leave the seals be…
>>575673896>downloading cheats made by Slavs>Evercouldn't be me
>>575674018the cheat of knowing the slop real price
>>575674049Deserved, pig.
>>575673896The bloat is really retarded from a development perspective, but at least it doesn't noticeably impact the mod's performance during actual gameplay. At worst, it's marginally more overhead while using the menu, and the guy was smart enough to put this shit in a framework that all his other mods reference instead of doing the same shit 6 times over if running all of them side by side.>euphoric*tips fedora*
>>575667276just rework the entire skill
>>575674564yeah not like the weapon customization mod
part of why the norscans are so cool is that they're not into gay tragic fall stuff like the moebians have, they're just evil vikings who worship the god of poop, unfathomably basedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_0rcHoaAfw
sad the shield gun combo isn't great it has a cool move and sound
>>575675809It's not too bad. I just wish it could be loaded with the shield up.
>>575676109I like to pair it with the castigator stance especially the reload on kill (so annoying it uses my reserve)
>>575666948>>575667737rolling steel always makes me seethe because it's a cakewalk if even 3 players are consistently playing for the objective, solidly doable if 2 players are covering each other but 75% of the time I am the only one doing anything objective related and it's an insane slog full of ridiculous bullshit trying to force my way through the horde with the power cells while fending off flamers and mutants and dodging snipers, and then the faggots all run off somewhere and I have to do the final objective 10% at a time because poxxers keep running up to me from the spawn door (they are all farming the other one). and the retards keep going down 3 wagons back where nobody can even get to them in time.of course if I go down it's over, nobody is anywhere near the objective
>>575658534go on heresy. don't go malice and don't go damnation. on malice you will get noobs leveling their first character with no clue where to go or what to do, going on damnation you get 9 year olds squadding up with their level 7 buddy who can't even kill a groaner with the starter weapon, heresy is the sweet spot of casual dad gamers running massively overleveled builds that just roll the game.that or auric honestly I find that auric actually has fewer deaths than damnation because usually everyone's at least in the high 20s level wise, there is less of the egregious underleveld squadding going on.
>>575644764he rents his ships for short voyages he never gets his own. at the peak of his power he has a non-rogue trader ship captain buddy to ferry him around consistently but he doesn't own the ship, he pays a retainer fee.
>>575675809What's holding it back?
>>575675809... i think it's great
>>575638515everybody's gotta go sometime
After hearing much ado about health curios here I've been field testing some setups and it actually does help you survive shit better than full toughness, although I found the recommendations of triple health too extreme and that that actually does negatively affect your survival into shooter/stalker trash mobs. My most consistently positive experiences have been with 2health1tough and 1health1tough1stam.
>>575677695>negatively affect your survival into shooter/stalker trash mobs.This isn't a problem when you start religiously sliding everywhere, have enough toughness generation on your build, or are a psyker and thus permanently projectile immune.Also smoke grenades.
>>575677789Buddy, I've been sliding everywhere and in every direction for hundreds of hours. There's always at least a little bit of downtime where some extra toughness can make the difference.
>>575676769>heresy>for a no death runYeah no, that is where the retards have made their nests.
>>575678230Depends on the class. Psyker basically never takes shooter chip as long as you're proactive about keeping your crits up. I've never felt like I had too little toughness on 3x health skitty, although shooters get kind of annoying in h40 I guess but I'm always in smoke so who cares. Zealot can just use an ability. I think the only class I wouldn't want to healthmaxx on because it plain sucks, is veteran. Then there's arbitrator and ogryn who like toughness more.
>>575678267with pubs I find it to be the sweetspot for the reasons explained. the only real alternative is auric but that's also full of shitters while also having some actual level of danger. just avoid some of the more intellectually challenging missions like train or spireside vault.
>>575678519And yet they continue to press the w key!wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
>can't play early morning EU because it's filled with low IQ slavgroidsJust one win before goign to work plz...
>>575675809My issue with it is that it isn't accurate enough to 1 tap ranged threats like gunners. It has enough damage, but the pellets don't land/hit accurately enough.
>>575681064I don't use the shield pistol but shouldn't something like this be able to one-tap auric gunners at 20 meters? Aiming roughly for the throat for maximum pellet contact.I don't know how much damage is missing, but pre-buffed with Full Bore I imagine this does the job.
>>575677695I have the opposite experience. The only thing that makes me die is either trappers or getting wan-tapped by an overhead because I missed a dodge. So when I try running more HP at the cost of toughness, the HP does nothing for me. Occasionally i might run 1 HP curio for extra padding vs bursters, but that's about it.
Am I exagerating or the vast majority of the playerbase kinda sucks? I've been playing since the dlc release and while it was fun at the start, it gets frustrating... I started playing auric but I think I'll go back to damnation not becasue I'm that bad, but because I'm not good enough to save the group every time
>>575681381>Am I exagerating or the vast majority of the playerbase kinda sucks?Not in the slightest. Darktide players are alarmingly retarded on average. The game design is in part to blame, because you get a progress bar encouraging you to progress through the difficulties before you're actually ready to go touch them. Many retards get carried and immediately go to the next difficulty to bash their head against until they get carried through that too, and the game never once punishes them for getting corpse-dragged to the finish line. Auric is full of malice shitters that don't belong there, expecting a carry. It gets especially egregious every time newfags join and oldfags return, none of them ready to play a difficulty above MAYBE heresy, at most.This also isn't just noobs being noobs, it's also retards being retards with non-builds that don't do anything and can't contribute. Too many shitters could physically not deal with armor even if you held them at IRL gunpoint, and the same goes for bosses. If WD-40Reddit runs out of chordclaws because he missed half of them from getting knocked back, his boss damage instantly hits 0.
>>575680303Nyet
>>575596250I don't think I have ever had a problem with gunners in melee but reapers are fucking disgusting
>>575682065Good Morning Czar
>>575681381>back to damnation not becasue I'm that bad, but because I'm not good enough to save the group every timebut the problem is worse on damnation because you've got people who are underleveled for the difficulty very often. if you install the mod that shows character levels like half the time when the team wipes it's because a retard on a level 20 character that just unlocked damnation brought his friend on a level 5 character, the level 5 went down, then the level 20 went down trying to res him and the third guy went down trying to res the level 20 so now you're alone
>>575683139Dobroye utro, tovarishch
You guys love acting like you're good players, uh?
>I am not good so you are not good you are not allowed to be better than me >:(
>>575684072fake it til you make it baby
>>575684167>>575684323
>>575675595I mean that’s what Admonition is too as far as we know
You know, with how much vagueposting happens in Darktide, I could almost believe Admonition was set up by the Alpha Legion.
How long until Swedish vacation is over?
dead gamedead genredead industry
>>5756919902 more months
>>575691990within 6 months
