>Latest patch:https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1422450?emclan=103582791474686175&emgid=680756685198855508>Steam Page:https://store.steampowered.com/app/1422450/>Where to leave feedback and report bugs:https://forums.playdeadlock.com/>How do I git in?Post your Steam profile and ask. You need to accept a friend request to be invited, so don't be a sperg.>How do I git gud?Do the tutorial, get a feel for each hero in sandbox mode, explore public item builds, watch replays. Playing a Hero for the first time will put you into a lower rank game*, so don't worry about it too much.Additional Resources:>Unofficial Wikihttps://deadlock.wiki/>Collection of useful character buildshttps://deadlockmeta.com/>New Player Guidehttps://docs.google.com/document/d/1lMBE7Nli_sVJ42d-kPHjF3MBaXZdIM46gNJQC_fMGMU/>Advanced Movement Guidehttps://www.dlmovement.wiki/>Unofficial Stat Tracker (Unreliable due to API rate limits)https://statlocker.gg/https://tracklock.gg/https://deadlock-api.com/>Unofficial Competitive Newshttps://edl.gg/https://www.deadfrag.com/>Unofficial Voiceline Viewerhttps://deadlock.vlviewer.com/Threadlocked: >>575574780
>>575643070>He installed?>nerf ze dorman agaen
Every update is a Minor Update.
gay sex with apollo!
>>575643436Calm down Graves!
mina.
>>575643592this thing just carried me while i went 6/13 in an ascendant iv gayme lol
Silver objectively needs buffs.
>>575643592if i replied to her (yes, her) twitter cosplays by saying how i want to hold her down and rape her would she take it as a compliment or would i get reported and banned
>>575643813*his
faggiest thread on the board by far, lets change it up a bit
borgor
if shiv were a cute girl character instead with the exact same kit people would be bitching every patch about the nerfs and pointing to the negative w/r
>- Mo & Krill: Combo now lets you cast items while using it>even majestic leap and warpstone>majestic leap and warpstone go you your camera not where your character is facing so he can kidnap you without even flanking
>>575643813nigga looks like glass joe from nintendo's punch out starring mike tyson
>Whole enemy team is at our yellow walker>Blue lane is pushed to their walker>Three teammates are in the jungle right next to it>Tell them to push blue>They all go their separate ways>End game without taking any of their walkersIm going to have an aneurysm
>>575579846>>575642492cool drawsGarrosh would be sick but idk how you would even implement his toss without feeling super clunkyi guess if it was like a brief grab and then a throw like Hermes(?) from Smite, or i think a Paladins hero did something like that>Battleritei'll never forgive them for turning that game into royale slop>>575642857>Seven jumps>starts breathing really fvcking hard like he bit into a hot pocket too earlyHOU HOUGH HOO
>>575643592El hombre chupador de sangre....
She's in!
>>575643968it's paige's hand
>>575643963i mean look at silver>exact same kitoh, you just want to complain and have no one be able to contest you, got it
The change to Haze dagger cooldown was too much. I get nerfing the damage and echo shard but why touch the dagger cooldown? It really hurts her early game.
>mo and krill can rape you and leap across the map with your corpse>doorman can kidnap you into his rape chamber from across half the mapPedo bros are winning this patch.
>>575644587it's celeste and thinking about it there's a very high chance that's a glowing horse cock so lemme delete that
>>575644796get fked
>>575645091(in kanye voice) SHES SO SELF CAAAHNSIOUS
>>575643070yeah lets nerf old bullshit and add more bullshit like letting krill use actives while ulting goodjob yoshi very cool
Trvke you're not ready to hear:Vindicta is S-tier and completely broken.
>>575645501The shadow weave build...
>>575645501f tier in my hands because I can't aim
>Deathy complaining that Doorman nerfs are not enoughThey'll never be enough. Doorman has been nerfed like 15 patches in a row. He's basically Shiv-tier for high level lobbies, he will never be balanced in eternus+ play. I just really, really hope they don't rework him into something less fun and/or interesting because he breaks the game at a higher level
>>575643070Let's see what these tits can do
>>575645501expansionmaxxing and echo sharting her tether seems like it'd be really broken but i never see it done
>>575645423and -10 sec CD to his burrow LOL
Wraith had an 80 second death timer only to die again in 10 seconds
Now that Spirit Burn is dogshit Z-tier what do I buy to help me one-shot teams as CalicoDo I just buy Boundless Spirit
Why no mcNigger changes at all???>>575645774expect more gunman nerfs next patch, deathy is one of the streamers yoshi and hotshit listen to for these things
I'LL GET 'EM>*slam fires heal trooper in lane*>*gets gone on because enemy knows she has used her only good skill*>*loses half her hp*>*boot kicks away*AWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>575643250>Yes Lord Bogdanoff.. It will be done.
>>575646112>>*slam fires heal trooper in lane*They buffed this though so she's actually still S+++ tier
>>575646072I'm honestly fine with him getting nerfed, i'll play doorman even if he's garbage. The problem is that i don't think they're nerfing him, i think that if this trend persists he'll inevitably be reworked into something less fun
the only good things yoshi does in these patches is nerf silver desu
>>575646112This is the most intelligent Silver player btw
>>575645501And other tales from Seeker.
>>575646423This, but ironicallyIt's really funny because he just keeps kicking the dog when it's down, like slapstick
Its amazing that they've basically nerfed everything on doorman that isn't kidnap slop.
Its so easy to bhop in this game its only like 10% hard than csgo, why arent pros and top players abusing it?
>>575646498Seeker doesn't mean you're bad at the game.
>>575644796People were complaining so they just took her out back and shot her without really thinking much about it. She's not a dev's pet character so if she's ever good then expect her to be gutted next patch.
>>575645774They just need to add a way to properly counter the Tiktok epic kidnap moments. An item that just prevents you from going through portals at expense of slower speed or something. Fix the epic wall stuck spots too.Also just make it so either you can't go into the spawn rooms or passing through Doorman doors gives you like 5 seconds of invulnerability to the spawn turrets.Make it so waiting out the ult doesn't kick you out immediately but restarts the timer, dealing more damage with each cycle.Congrats Doorknob has 99% same honest utility but can't be abused as freely.
>>575646789It doesCase in point: >>575646898
>>575646625Because all the "pros" and top players are washed players from other games that couldn't make the cut.
>>575645991>playing a character after a nerfEnjoy your derank
>>575646898Its called dispel magic.
>>575646898Post rank
>>575645991>titanic mag
>>575646898His kidnap shit has absolutely nothing to do with why high-rank players don't like him, and why he keeps getting nerfed. Kidnap builds are only relevant in low-rank lobbies. His infinite door utility that allows him to reposition his entire team is what makes him broken. I genuinely think the only solution for doorman is going to be making it so only he can go trough his doors. It would be extremely lame, but i t would both make shitters happy because he can't kidnap, and it would make pro/high level players happy because he can't rotate the entire team across the map
Inhouse upY19QVY19QVY19QV
>>575643968>warpstone go you your camera not where your character is facingcould you repeat that please
how big are the mirage nerfs?
You ever notice how no one buys movement items anymore? Enduring speed and fleetfoot have been nerfed into the dirt so much no one bothers with them anymore
this was promised to us 3000 years ago
>>575648907why the fuck would you need movement items when you can no clip through the map in 3 seconds with vents + movement techdevs are retarded
>>575647861MAGESTIC LEAP AND warpstone go TO your camera not where your character is facingmokrill can't move with wasd or turn around while ulting but you can turn your camera and use the items in that direction anyway
>>575647679>I genuinely think the only solution for doorman is going to be making it so only he can go trough his doors.Door can only take one person at a time before closing and recharging for a period of time. 2 people on T3 upgrade or something.You can still ferry an entire team across the map but not at once and not so fast.At that point could unnerf the range so it serves more like TF2 teleporter you put in base and let people take a shortcut.Also preserves the kidnap, prevents team wipes due to kidnap so people can still seethe about it but it won't be as impactful in Blueberry 2.
graves skulls aren't affected by curse lmao
>>575647861warpstone go you facing where you face in the camera face not of out where character is facing
Doorfag should be in his own category with multiple characters having similar effect on the game where having 1 on the team is great, but 2 is a detriment.You have to balance by counterpicking in pre-game and not sucking your own cock while your enemies get nerfed over and over.
Inhouse up4/12Y19QVY19QVY19QVY19QV
cursed relic should interrupt ults
>>575649798coperetard
>>575649798Kelvin
>>575649798>counterpickinghuh?
>>575649798Literally just make it so the door closes if he's silenced or movement ability disabled.That's literally it, all he needs is some counterplay so he's not the one starting, deciding and finishing every engagement and playing server admin.
>>575650352>server admin.Where did this retarded phrase come from anywayIs this some TF2 holdover?
>>575647861Why do they call it rejuvenator when you rejuv in the live team rejuv out dead lose the game?
>>575650459how fucking new are you?that's legit like a 30+ year old phrase
>>575649798This. We need categories for dps, tank, and specialist/healer.
Why did they buff mokrill?
>>575643592looks like a man
>>575650562Closed early pre-alpha proof of concept technical test, please understand
Fuck no. Youre just gonna ult and hide behind in some fucking alleyway
>>575650751mi hermano, don't you know they're too weaknow buff ivy stoneform so she can warp and AB over dashfags too
>>575650643I asked a fucking question, where did it come from? Who started saying this stupid retarded shit in a game that DOESN'T FUCKING HAVE SERVERSNobody has ever called a game of dota a server, or a game of lol a server, or any other fucking mobaWHAT RETARD STARTED IT HERE
>>575649380This is actually a really good suggestion and i think you should post it to the forums
>>575651059newfag
>>575651089Your mom is, but I still did her
>>575651059you know what admin rights are, right?or what a metaphor is?those gimmies started rustling yet?
>>575651180I'm not asking after what the phrase means retard, I understand what you're feebly trying to convey with that retarded unfitting phraseI asked what retard started it here in this game it only barely applies in
>>575651059Each game is played on a server you midwit monkey
>doorman>8 second close time manYOU ARE HERE>2 person portal man>personal portal man>man
>>575651395it's a phrase that has been used in literally every single online game, you're being mocked by multiple people because you're so retarded, autistic or new, very possibly all 3, that this is somehow too much for you to handle.
>>575651554>>575651665Ahhh that perfectly explains why a fed carry gets called a server admin in dota and lol and every other fucking assfaggots now doesn't itOH WAITRETARD
>>575651691Holy shit this better be bait but I'll bite.An admin has full control over a server.Games are played in a server.Therefore someone fed out of control or being way too good compared to the rest is called "server admin" because he decides everything about the game and has full control over the server and everyone in it.If this wasn't a bait please fix your fucking life.
@575651691I bet this faggot doesn't know what godmode is
>>575651691Anon, you genuinely might have autism.
Where are the mokrill nerfs
>>575651910>>575651912>>575651947The only bait is you faggots bringing your valorant tf2 csgo terminology to a game that never fucking needed itNobody has ever called someone who's gone out of control in any other assfaggots a fucking server admin, but that's the only phrase you god damn zoomoid orcs can use these days. Someone crushing a game? Server admin. You think something's overpowered? Yep that's a server adminIt's like how everything's a fucking app now, brainrotted fucking mongrels
>>575652165Holy mother of seething.
>>575652165>obody has ever called someone who's gone out of control in any other assfaggots a fucking server adminYes they have, this phrase has been used since I played online games all the way to fucking UT99 and was used constantly in dota 2.lil zoomie roleplaying, embarrassing
>>575652330>and was used constantly in dota 2.Never fucking happened EVERUnless you're trying to tell me this was a regional dialect popular in your russoid realm or some shitIt's a phrase for server-based games not to describe something OP in an assfaggots
@575652165>god damn zoomoid orcs>when dedicated servers have gone extinct>when this lingo has existed since at least Quake 2 daysget a load of this faggot
buff warden
>>575652409>Never fucking happened EVERpost hidden, tab closed
>>575652165Holy larp
>>575652450>when dedicated servers have gone extinctHENCE WHY I'M WONDERING WHY NIGGERS HAVE BROUGHT IT BACK IN A MATCH-BASED GAME WHERE IT DOESN'T FIT INSTEAD OF A GAME WITH PERSISTENT SERVERSODD THAT ISN'T IT>>575652512>post hidden, tab closedThen be my problem no longer you time-wasting fucking stain
>>575652409get fucked loser
>>575652628>HENCE WHY I'M WONDERING WHY NIGGERS HAVE BROUGHT IT BACK IN A MATCH-BASED GAMEThey're still played on separate servers, holy autism
You are given the authority to pick 5 heroes to be immediately brought up to the same standard of asset completion as the most completed heroes in the game for the next major update - ie large suite of voice lines and interactions, close to final pass model and animations, etc.Who do you pick?
>>575652696Not persistent servers that need admins and you fucking know it
>>575652706warden, talon, yamato, sinclair, viscousthey're just fucking OLD, it's not up for discussion
>>575652330Not that anon but I've never heard anyone use that phrase in dota 2.
>>575652165>The only bait is you faggots bringing your valorant tf2 csgoI've heard it more in character-based games like mobas than I ever have in CS or TF2. I don't know why you'd even include Valorant in your retarded argument when the online is setup just like Deadlock's. Literally just lashing out at random things because you heard a term you don't like. It's not even used that often lmao.
>>575652917>when the online is setup just like Deadlock'sVALORANT GAY SISSY SPOTTED
Increase wardens shield spirit scaling
>>575643070>mina's most annoying skill got buffed and is overturned again>spirit burn gutted>no & skill buffed>dynamo buffed>kelvin buffed>affliction still exists>shiv getting random changesat this point i'm not even sure what the fuck they are doing
Whats with the non stop Yamato nerfs when she is at 50% wr on high mmr pubs, below 50% on low ones and basically unpicked in competitive
>mina escape buffsthis one change really pisses me off so much for no reason.
>>575653263sacrificial lamb so people think they're working as the same old heroes rape the game for the 2301210th patch in a row
>>575653263yam grapple pisses off the movement trannies so much.
>>575652831There's still a fair number of heroes in a similar state. Vyper, Bebop, and Shiv are all using Neon Prime assets and are likely to look pretty damn different by the end, and also Holliday, Mo and Krill, Kelvin, Seven, and Calico are definitely in the general location they will be by the end but are like 2 or 3 art passes behind the rest of the cast (the above excluded, of course).
>>575650007but then how else will Mina deal a trillion damage per second besides with the rest of her kit
>>575652330>used constantly in dota 2what the fuck are you talking about?google can't even find a single fucking mention beyond people talking about literal server hosting for it eitherthis is just straight up the most retarded made up thing I have heardalso "server admin" isn't a phrase people use to refer to players or a heros power level in ANY game>all the way to fucking UT99I played UT99IN 1999and no one called someone who was dominating a "server admin", this is just a fucking larp
>use carpet during krill ult>it just automatically turns offyoshihack?
>>575653263She has over a 53% WR in Eternus+ which makes her the fourth highest WR character there. Characters are also not just their winrate. If that was the case then there would only be one character in the entire game that everybody played. Hope that helps.
>>575654052now post in-game chat logs from 99 retard
can they just do the next content patch already I'm bored as fuck and need something to do but this shit hasn't been worth playing for months now
>>575654221yeah sure here they are>I am a time traveler for 2026 come back to 1999 to tell the guy reading this in 27 years that he is a faggotcan't believe I still had that one saved, he really was a time traveler I guess
>>575654491sorry faggot, it's your fault you didn't save any screenshots
First game of the patch and somehow won on S+++er, pls more nerfs Yoshi she's too strong
>>575653453no, her chain grapples were pure fucking slop. her chain isn't like bebop hook where people can get caught on walls. a grapple guaranteed a chase, and she could bait dispels with it. now, dispels are a liitle more punishing against her and she has to itemize into the extra charge. the changes only affected shitters that abused it. im still seeing yamato do fine in my games.
PLEASE NERF DOORMAN
yoshi forgot the diminishing returns>>575653315it should be the last ability she maxes
>>575649439>melees your skulls while cursed
>>575654328they're specifically holding the next content patch back for no reason to make people angry
>>575654328It's 1 month away minimum btw
>>575643592>Mani Ha
Is siphon bullets the worst T4 in the game
>they just killed spirit burn for no reasonlol i guess the dev's pet (victor) just had too many counters
>>575657367>they just killed spirit burnlol. lmao.
>>575654328they need to spend more time to polish it up more, this isn't some alpha test where they can just push out content and patches all the time
>>575657367Spirit burn isnt a counter to victor he just presses 2 to cut the duration in half (or even by 75% if he has debuff reducer), items like crippling headshot/inhib/toxic are counters which get their full duration refreshed with just 1 bullet
I guess we're done with buffing graves and holliday and everyone else besides gay nightshift picks all the other heroes can go fuck themselves this game is worse than it was in 2024 how is that even possible dude these patches are fucking awful
>>575657683ERM ITS AN ALPHA LITTLE CHUDDIE YOU CANT EXPECT THEM TO FIX THE GAME UNTIL RELEASE SO NO COMPLAINING
>>575657842It was more of an Alpha in fucking 2024 to early 2025 and we got weekly updates with sweeping massive changes
why dont they just remove shiv until they know what to do with him? no one can complain since its not like you bought the game/ bought skins for him
>>575657053Every t4 has their good use-case but plated armor or divner's kevlar would be my nomination.
>Viscous further raped Woah
>>575658073hes 44 percent winrate lil bro
>>575643592Manly, ha.
>>575658956i dont care about that im not saying hes op up or whatever they keep changing him non stop every patch he gets a change its clear they have no idea what to do with him
>>575657683You're not alone in feeling this way, I can tell you that right now.This game has had its ups and downs for the longest time, and very questionable decisions in its history. But the last 4-5 months have been nonstop retardation from the devs. I don't even know what constructive criticism to give them at this point, it's all so fucked up and all over the place now. The urn rework in may was a fucking disaster and they just cannot let go of this HOTS style king of the hill bullshit when everyone at best tolerates it, and at worst fucking despises it and stopped playing.
siphon bullets is for very specific matchups. i really like it on ven against abrams/mo. all of his abilities proc it, and it's great sustain IF you're a gun bruiser fighting a tank. it's pretty niche otherwise and i'd rather have vamp in any other instance
>>575658514rift is good and peels shitlow retards off perma aramkys
>>575659441meant for>>575659154
>>575657053spirit burnI never liked spirit burn, it did no damage and on top of it, it didn't ignore resists like tankbuster so it did even less, it applied itself right at the start and you didn't have it for when they were running, you had to save 6.4k for it, it doesn't upgrade from tankbuster, you could waste the cooldown on a minion, or not, it didn't apply sometimes, people put it in builds as if it was a burst item with that shitty damageit's better for anti-healing now that you can pick when to apply it but it does even less damage it wouldn't feel right to pick it on mina over boundless or eshift or cooldown or anything really and supports might not have the damage to activate it, maaaaaaybe lash uses it other than that capacitor and armor piercing rounds are up there, slowing hex and you don't need to pierce armor most of the "gun" damage is hybrid
>bro just parry le billy XD>billy builds nowadays is just building gun until you max 1 and never using melee
>>575660254>stupidjust parry bwo>think like a brilliantdecay and shoot him
>>575660254They only gave him a 1% nerf on his ability btw :)
Anyone know any funny Billy voicelines I can reply with when people complain about Billy?
Reminder in the terms of Power Scale Billy is stronger than even Doorman since he can recall past patches and knows that its a game while every character does say "good game" Billy goes even further by referencing that haze just "presses 4 to win" which means he has 4th dimensional knowledge
if you get seraphim wings on bebop you can hook someone mid air and then keep dashing backwards to drag them further and further awayfunny shit
>>575661170You. Suck.
>>575661170>I thought you guys were supposed to be hard
I wish Valve would add more lore or maybe some comics.
>>575657367No wonder you retards complain about victor if you think spirit burn is a counterIf you wanna kill victor just silence him with his aura on and he legit kills himself
>shiv lands 1 knife>1200 damagecool hero
>>575661846I hope they don't scrap the VN idea. The Geist one was really interesting especially with how there are mutiple endings and wishes Geist could have based on the choices madeIt really makes the characters more interesting and dynamic if their EXACT wish isn't one dimensional. Sadly it seems the most recent batch of heroes don't really care for that: What could REM wish for other than just "can I go home and sleep pls"
>venator nerf>winrate goes upYou can't explain that.
>>575662347Shiv is so stupd. So he has a great DoT that can be applied from range. But also he's insanely tanky and can basically rape an entire team in a close space with his slice and dice. Oh but also he's insanely mobile with his alt fireOh an he has the highest % execute in the game
>>575662349Bad ending: Rem gets caught and is experimented on by having him stay awake forever
>>575662424>sprint speed not base speed>bullet falloff when you want to gutshot enemies anyway>ult buffedpeople completely stopped playing dynamo too after him getting 0.1 less scalling on one skill they're just meta slaves looking for the next big thing
i like that vyper gets away with being insanely op because no one plays her because she still looks like an unfinished turd of a hero
What the fuck is the "Matchmaking update" even about? How hard is it to just borrow the same matchmaking algorithm they used in all their other multiplayer games that don't have an issue?
>>575654817where is your screen shot of anyone using the term server admin in that way in 99?
no way this autist is still arguing about a commonly used term half a day later
>>575662719the ult buff is fucking hugeis has so much more uptime because the CD basically got reduced by 8-10 seconds (max of 15).with 1 sec swap time and 1 sec stake reload even if you fire them ASAP its still 3 seconds off, which isn't huge but extra damage on top just makes it a lot smootherreally couldn't give a fuck about the sprint speed changeand the weighted shots change is a bit of a nerf to him if you built it, but the changes to spirit burn/tankbuster/mystic shot is a huge buff for him indirectly as its way easier for him to survive now
Why haven't they added a squirrel hero yet?
>>575663701>noooooo!!!>you must provide screenshots!!!!>its not fair to ask me to do the same!!!!coward posters who are too scared to quote always prove how much of a little bitch they areI accept your concession
>>575651069You have my blessing to post it to forums yourself.
What are we thinking of the blood tribute+berserker combo on m1 carries? It gives a shitton of stats for 6,4k and if you pair it with a vampiric burst (which most of them are building anyway) you can just keep it on indefinitely in a fight.
>>575662998dont forget grey talon
>decide to instalock haze as my highest priority>go the usual echo shard double dagger spirit m1 damage hold left click carry assassin>insane damage in lane>insane damage midgame>even more insane damage endgame>ult is also strong as fuck>can smoke away from dangerso this bitch has no downsides
>no vindicta buffsdogshit patcho
who has the most healing potential in the game? i genuinely want to never die
Seeker gods weren't kidding about how many people ragequit in shitlowEvery match since the match has had someone ragequit
>>575664715victor or geist but anyone who isn't retarded will build heal shred
>>575648907I buy Enduring Speed because Juggernaut is cool, and Stamina Mastery is always fun no matter what character
heroes of the storm is better but im banned
They need to add an actual motherly hero to this game as a support/frontliner maaaybe.
>>575665482it's not but even if it was I don't like how HotS forcefully floods your ssd with replay downloads
>>575665438Juggernaut rules because it passively screws over gun and meleefag toons. I ruined half an enemy team buying that and metal skin.
>>575665557mommy frontliner is a classic
>>575665482lol Im not lamo
>>575661170ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOU AND ME IS I NEVER GOT NERFED, CAUSE I'M NOT A MORON LEANING OVER HIS SKIS
>>575665482Deadlock needs a Cho'gall character.
>>575665557Before we got Silver I wanted a fem werewolf support bruiser mommy. Had a kit outlined for her that played like omniI still kinda do want it actually, but I'm happy with the werewolf we got, too
>shiv is nerfed again>mashes his keyboard like an ape to never die and deal infinite damage>repeat every patchjust delete him from the game already
If you ever want a m1gger to kill themselves just run phantom strike disarming hex as Silver>Phantom strike>They panic dispel>Bola + disarming hex>Proc wolf form and tail whack as soon as disarming hex endsThis is what makes tom tom 7 players piss themselves and cry for Yoshi to nerf her
>m1ggerobsessed
>>575666779>tom tom 7 players piss themselves and cry for Yoshi to nerf herno one cares about schizo troon ecelebs
>people cry about m1 carries that have to aim for several seconds accurately just to secure a kill with an entirely full orange build>noone is crying about all the spirit spam that is piss easy to aim, have AOEs so massive and spammable that you will never have enough dashes to escape them, and the only counters do fuck all or require precise timing to use (if you even saw the hero coming to begin with and didn't get fucked by latency)I thought this game was supposed to be a shooter and not just WOW toolbar piano cooldown rotations
I'm about to hit a very mandated loss streak, aren't I?
>>575667309i'll be in your next game
>>575667396
>>575667483how do i become good with pocket?
>>575667518Affliction I guess.I main Drifter and Mina. I have no idea how to play him.
>>575667518just warp into enemy team press 4doesnt matter if you die afterwards
>>575666416valve is too pussy to make a unique character like that
>>575667695>>575666416>Cho'gallI don't speak WoW.Explain this to me.
>>575667824It's a character piloted by TWO people at once. One controls more movement, one controls more of the spells/ranged stuff
>>575667280anyone can mash their spirit buttons and kill peoplenot everyone can aim
>>575667906Did not realize he was in HotS.Had to look that up.That sounds retarded desu
>>575667906seems very boring unless his spells are like invokers
>>575667518you either warp or leap into a teamclick 4, click freezeclick cloak going away, slightly angled up, and then suitcaseif you are not ulting because its a smaller fight or w/e you just basically do the same thing but you don't necessarily actually teleport out and just keep shooting the person and maybe press 1 if you get the right anglethe most important thing to understand about pocket is that he isn't a carryhe isn't a frontlinehe is a roaming ganker, hes the +1 you want in ganks, so you need to go around being the +1, you can go in first with your items and then setup to escape constantly, if your teammate can't get the kill it isn't really your fault or problemyeah, if you ever get super far ahead u can basically solo gank and then you are a fucking monsterbut that super rarely happens, you are just there to bring extra damage and debuffs to enemies and have a HUGE teamfight ult
>>575667518press your i win button in the middle of a teamfight
>>575668114you can tell whos pisslow because you MUST BARRAGE BEFORE AFFLICTION IT IS 40% DAMAGE AMP
vindicky needs some buffs
Heroes that were built for human men.
>>575668356viscous
>>575667396me too :D
>>575668356IT'S ABOUT TO GET STICKY :)))))
>>575668356The upcoming ixian female
mo has a 5 second disarm downtime with his sandblast, and extended duration + t.cooldownthe one true m1gger counter
the CC in this game is unbearable. even with debuff reducer and dispel, every team fight is just constant stuns and CC
>late game carry>good early, mid and late gameis there any reason heroes like wraith should be nuking from minute 0 and melting people within 0.1 seconds minute 30? I feel like heroes probably shouldn't get to be super strong at all stages of the game. why are heroes like apollo/lash/yamato only strong early/mid but m1ggers get to be strong all the time always no exceptions
>>575668873I love rushing max sandblast against gun teams, the seethe is delicious, the range on that thing is so fucking huge
Every time Doorman gets nerfed I smile and hope for more
>>575670234>TEN (10) second disarm if you phantom strike + sandblast to initiate on a m1gger
>>575667598how do you play mina? whats her role? i struggle to play her
What is Silvers build diversity because I'm actually sick of grabbing my gun items and then stacking green all gameIs it even possible to build something other than 3(maybe 4) gun, 2 (at absolute max) spirit, and 7-9 vitalityLegit wanna kms after trying a build with 4.8k green and going 3/15
>>575669754So buy BKB.
>pick vyper>buy spirit items>1, 1, 1, 1, 1>kill anyone that can't button escapethis is fun as fuck
>>575671010>Silver >build diversity
>>575670191literally the opposite is true wtf do you mean? spirit burstslop is extremely strong until maybe 35+ minutes where it falls off and gun finally becomes good. what the fuck are you smoking that you think m1 is so strong?
>>575671010Your hero has no build diversity because all its abilities lead into the same combo, if you build outside of that you are throwing the game.
every ability in the game should have knockup people are moving around too much
>>575671820Movement trannies are getting too cocky pressing WASD
>>575667280>wraith presses 4 and mashes 1wow... such aim...
>/dlg/ - oracleGODS
>>575671197>>575671427What about spirit silver
>>575671010I don't respect stacking vegetablesyou're a burst character. leave the face tanking for abramstry stacking a bit of firerate instead. relying on the spirit scaling for wolf fire rate is a meme. spellslinger is very slot efficient and silver gets max stacks instantly when she goes in to burst someone. I usually get burst fire + spellslinger
>>575668048>>575668057They both ahd spells it was just one was melee oriented stun tank and the other guy had a lot of AOE's and stuns. Also the caster head was able to get a push on one of his attacks that could be used as a dodge so now you were able to control movement as well.He was actually pretty strong but yeah he should've had more spell variety.
>>575672805That's building outside of your one combo which means you are throwing the game.
>>575667280this. no ability should do more than 150 damage at AP5. this is a shooter not a button mashing simulator
>>575667280I've been playing some marvel rivals and it has the opposite problem that most abilities are just there for flavour and do actually no dps compared to the M1, you might even lose dps by trying to use your cooldowns
Streetbrawl is a pretty good time until you lose purely due to items 5 matches in a rowYes, I think the enemy haze should get shrink ray 2 matches in a row, that's fun and cool
>>575673459>plays the rng mode>wtf the outcome is decided by rng?
gunslop killed deadlock
>>575673621the rng is manageable but some items just instantly win you the entire thing no matter what
spiritslop killed deadlock
>>575670970Focus on being a little hit and run bitch. She is one of if not the squishiest in the game. Remember her Rake (1) is an execute on enemies with lower HP and will proc her love bites (3) passive if its built up a little bit already on the target.Use 1 to stay in lane. Unless you are big or confident in your Mina assassination skills, save your sanguine retreat (2) as an escape tool. You can also use it to completely dodge certain abilities like Bebop's bomb or Seven's stun by using it just before the ability fully goes off.Having Stamina mastery early helps a bit, and keep in mind you can immediately kill any tier 1 camps with just your rake (1) after you level it up 1 tier and have an item or two. Use it as a form of sustain and easy farm.I used to follow a build when I was learning her that would max her Sanguine Retreat (2) dead last, but recently I've been maxing it second. That with greater expansion and a cooldown item lets you dance around people or escape some insane situations.Don't forget to use her alt+fire in mid air to glide and get some great movement around the map or even to close distance or escape.In team fights you want to obviously spread silence with your ult, but if you are not using that, focus on procing love bites with your combo, then switch targets for a few and proc on the next unless they are within kill range. Try and back up your engagers as best you can.She can fall off in the very late game if you aren't super big already.Fighting lane opponents with small hit boxes with rem is annoying to proc love bites on imo but maybe my aim is just bad
>wake up>patch happeneddid they change the MM algo on the backend or is there still something else coming this week?
>>575673778gunslop isnt what's making every team fight a billion aoes + stuns that are mostly unavoidable
>>575674473coming tomorrow (it will probably be a nothingburger
i just got mvp with her, seems like the trick is to choose the lane with the biggest hitbox enemy and spam your lovebites on them once u get ult. also richochet is sex on her omg
>Update: Downloaded>Game: Modded>Graves: Double prio >Other two picks: (top two currently picked heroes)>Chat: banned for two days>Queue time: 10 minutes minimumYep, it's Graves time
>>575674775It is easier when you are fighting someone with a big hitbox as long as you stay away. Mo is basically a death sentence if he gets close enough to combo you or Abrams to wall slam you, but if you can keep back and avoid them they are very easy procs on love bites.Richochet is also a lot of fun on her. I'll buy it sometimes if I have a good lead.
>guy says ez after a street brawl win at round 5 where rng legendaries decide everything>get him next game and stomp him 3-0>commend him>he melts down and starts talking about rankwhy are browns like this
>>575675850next time say statlocker doesn't mean anything and they freak the fuck out
>Win 5 games in a row>suddenly 6th match literally all five of my teammates feed massively and we're down 26 kills before the 20 minute markI love how we just accepted modern games punishing you for winning too much
>>575675850give me a good reason why we shouldnt ban russians from our games and the internet? One good reason just a single one
>swift striker + burst fire + glass cannon alone outscales the old 0.34 fixation damageis glass cannon no longer a throw pick for haze? the firerate stacks are pretty much guaranteed too for an assassin character
The next 3 updates will make or break this game
>>575675112I've been thinking to buy sharpshooter for extra range to proc 'bites but doesn't seem worth as gun scaling is bad and fire rate does the same thing almost
>Enemy goes to melee my tombstone>Parry it>they get stunned, meaning the parry went through but the tombstone also got destroyedThis game is unreal
>>575676024russians would start playing CS in real life without the internet forcing everyone else to fight them in the draft
>>575676024he was spanish
Did the last patch do anything? Vegas, Metro and Eido are not happy
>>575676350yeah? well my dick isn't happy, what are you gonna do about it *unzips pants*
>>575676264I wish Graves was as good as McGinnis
>>575676350none of the frustrating to fight against parts of hero kits (90% of all heroes) were adressed so you will still see mirages and shivs etc facerolling their keyboard to be invincible while dealing infinite damage for free
>balance patch>Silver: Gun falloff range reduced from 20m->46m to 17m42m>Silver: Slam Fire now does 100% bonus damage against NPCs (troopers and neutrals, not objectives)>Silver: Lycan Curse precast time increased from 0.2 to 0.3>Silver: Lycan Curse precast movespeed reduced from 7.6m to 2.5m>Silver: Lycan Curse T1 reduced from +20% Resists to +15%Are they for real?
here is your rem for tonightholy FUCK, what an actual 5v6 this rem needs to kill themselves
I'm like 2 bad patches away from just uninstalling this game for good
why are people saying spirit burn got nerfed, it is the most broken must-buy item in the game right nowyou can just cycle the 70% antiheal on the entire enemy team permanently
>>575677542They are too hung up on the explosion removal, the 60 damage nerf and the mystic shot-tankbuster-spirit burn combo being removed while completely ignoring that the clunkiness of the item got fixed and it's now worthy of the 6,4k cost on its own without relying on a stupid combo
>>575677325mutt
>>575677325Sorry anon they need to throw her away to pro-bait jailNow billy? Clearly balanced after his single % percent damage nerf, now THAT'S a fair hero if I've ever seen one compared to S+++ilver
The content update will save us
gun characters have to spend 16000 souls to get the same anti heal as spirit who just has to spend 6400
>>575677325>>575677896Your hero is getting raped more.
>>575676256
>players complain about certain characters for months>*crickets*>one protroon has a meltie over Silver>instant nerf for a character with <50% winrate across all ranks
>>575679060The weird thing is I don't think even the pros were crying about her much anymore, we are far past the days of her being first picked.Its literally just some faggot eceleb crying that a character existsThey need to ban hopoo from using social media
>>575677325Low key actually really helpsYou can finally farm (steal even) the medium camp that spawns in church and firehouseAlways felt really shitty when I was falling behind to the team with the easy camp and the swing never came back after mediums spawn because she would take forever and lose so much HP to the campStill a literal QoL change that came packaged with adjustment nerfs
>>575677325What's wrong with nerfing an OP character?
>>575671010Silver is not meant for the 20+ minute games we actually play because she has a healthy (reverse) moba power curve unlike all the other meta faggots in the game who start great and only get greater. Eat your greens or blow up.
>>575678252>one of inhibitor/crippling 6.4k>toxic bullets 3.2k>healbane 1.6khow is that 16000? anyway just toxic+hb alone is 55% antiheal for 4.8k
Flopping tranny deadcock.
>>575679493>Still a literal QoL changeWhen did this start being used all the time for actual buffs to a character's kit? A QoL change is something like fixing finicky targeting or procs that don't really change a character in a vacuum but make it so the player's intention is properly rewarded particularly in more hectic environments. The Lifestrike change that makes it prioritize a hero being hit over a minion in the same strike is a QoL change. Buffing a character's farm is just buffing them.
I can't believe Kavinsky is dead
I hope Silver gets nerfed again with the MM update too just to hear you retards whine.
>>575680494I'm expecting the MM update to be so bad it gets instantly reverted so that doesn't bother me.
WHAT THE FUCK MY SSS HIV IS ONLY 'GOOD' NOW? THIS IS FUCKING UNPLAYABLE
>Billy does the angry German kid routine on his keyboard>I fly up and down multiple times while seeing my entire health bar disappear
>>575681028the humble warp stone that cost nearly nothing
Another 20 bomb kill game in initiate lobbyYoshi is literally sacrificing these noobs to me for so many losses (retards on my team and leavers) to keep me playing
>>575681028They nerfed his ram by 1% tho so clearly they think hes balanced :^)
Silver should legitimately be nerfed every patch from now until eos for how annoying her players are
>>575679952Nothing, so it's strange that they didn't nerf the op characters and nerfed Silver instead
>1/11/13>Most Player Damage (88k)At least we won
>>575681908This but doorman
meanwhile holliday players got a single taste of being good and then got nerfed back into being poopoo but silver's le victim fuck you
>>575682320Silver has received nothing but nerfs since her release and didn't deserve any of it.She's literally never been good.
>>575682389and Holliday got nothing but nerfs in hero labs released like shit was shit for an entire year was good for like two weeks and then got nerfed back into being shit I agree with that anon I hope they keep nerfing Silver because her fans are fucking irritating
>>575682320that's good i don't think any holliday main wants her to be perma banned because she makes shitters seethei'm fine with her being a damage support
Holliday and her players are complete fags so they deserve nothing
you guys are really funny, everyone from pros to e6 players to even fucking reddit shitters agree that silver is hilariously overpowered, except for /dlg/. /dlg/ is the only player group shitty enough to somehow make silver look bad
1 MORE MONTH OF SILVER DISCOURSE
Crazy how Graves is literally just an inferior goonbait ver of McGinnis
>>575682915Please post the stats that show she's overpowered.All she can do is pad her stats with early kills and fall off hard, she's the kind of hero high ego players with a hero shooter background think is op, but as this is an ASSFAGGOTS game their opinion is worthless.
>>575682915Except the stats also agree with dlg, she is mid tier at the highest level and unplayable below ascendant She also has a dogshit dns record and the only evidence she’s good is anecdotal . To be fair to your view, her dns preformamce has gone up since she stopped being first pick, but this is post many nerfs, so really more a story of draft order importance and not much on her actual power
>>575681243what if he buys warp stone tooor he just uses ram again since hitting ram reduces the cooldown by 50% for some reason
I rush swiftstriker in lane on silver, I know it’s not “optimal damage” but it makes last hitting bearable
>>575680724why are you quoting a random tranny on twitter? is that you?
>>575683791Isn't just holding left click the optimal time window to last hit? If you add more attack speed you can't do that anymore
>>575664513feet buffs when>>575665557>calls you good boy>heal to full>heatpatsough
>silver upplayers insist silver is op nonstop>asked to provide evidence>stops postinghuh so thats how you shut these annoying spammers up
>barrels are fun to use despite being mid in terms of damage.>changed to being boring to use and dealing stupid damage>changed into being boring to use and shit damageI wish they'd just left her alone
>venator upplayers insist venator is op nonstop>asked to provide evidence>stops postinghuh so thats how you shut these annoying spammers up
>>575684051Actually just tested and swiftstriker actually gets 66ms while no fire rate is 200ms, that's why I got denied that one time
>>575684853It was even worse on release silver, you needed like 40% to last hit>soulorb
When EoS is announced in October, Silver wins.
any tips on playing miku? I always feel like I set my turrets retarded and they do nothing
>>575684830Oh it's you, hello silvertranny! Silver is still S+++ tier despite being sub 50% winrate universally, right?
>>575685893>every pro player is a "silvertranny" somehowmeds
>>575684708I wish they didn't leave her alone and split her into 2 heroes instead of the current mishmash of concepts she is now where the sheriff hero doesn't even build gun
>>575685869if you need tips for the second most braindead journalist mode character in the game then you should consider suicide
>>575680389>The Lifestrike change that makes it prioritize a hero being hit over a minion in the same strike is a QoL change.That is not a QoL change, that is also a literal buff because it means you can get melee healing more reliably even if there's a target between you and the hero you want to hit
>>575686017Nta but I consider QoL changes everything that makes the ability/item/game mechanic perform as intended more reliably. Removing obscure interactions, even if it results in a straight buff, counts as QoL in my book.
>2 echo 2>4>refresher>4, 2>leave>retard enemy dies 10 seconds laterlove this hero
>>575682087of course you had the most damage, you were straight inting
I really wish they just had separate ranks for different characters. Fighting games do it. It feels bad dropping a shit ton learning a new character, then having to climb from the dredges when i go back to my main.
>>575684708This is basically every "your favorite hero" in anything hero based ever. It is inevitable.
>>575685869this worked for me>max ult first, then 3 AP into turrets, then max wall>1st item extra charge>gun spike (I usually do slowing bullets + alc fire but k dash is nice if you dont think youll grab stam mastery later)>green spike (debuff reducer + some combo of heal bane / enduring speed / enchanter emblem depending on enemies)>mystic slow > mystic vuln > EE>depending on needs grab echo shart / refresher / lightning scroll / unstop>suppressor earlier on can be good>2 much money? jugg for more slow res and rapid recharge for more turretsive seen some success with gun ginnis when theres no other m1s but it always bites me in the ass lol
>>575686467Thats not how that works anon.
>>575686571They literally have hero mmr and it’s awful and should be removed
>>575685869magic carpet and split push all daylater just wall into ult every teamfight
Uninstalled. Nah, just kidding, still picking Silver but I'm gonna be afk scripting in base every game. That's what you fucktards get.
>>575685869For turret placement you want to set up crossfires so they start shooting at the same timeFor builds I reccomend heal builds
do you think the mo builds will actually change this time
lets give apollo a free infuser + vamp burst what can go wrong
>>575688101pity he didn't also get a free dispel magic to get rid of my spirit burnnot my problem
>someone running away from three enemies>instead of coming towards me as bebop they go sideways>he dies alone so i make a run for it back to basewhy do they do this
>>575688092Im building veil walker and majestic leapI've already kidnapped 7 people
Don't believe your lying eyes when you see Silver 100 to 0 your hero after shooting at you three times.She's bad because you can throw an anvil okay.
>>575688374If a silver can 100 to 0 you with 3 shots she's fed as fuck and any other hero would be capable of doing the same or worse
>>575687443She's S+++ tier though
>>575688374This, Silver instantly raped me one time and honestly I was so terrified
>>575685992replace bounce pads with a bucking bronco that throws you up into the air, enemies also get launched but they take damagechange crackshot so it builds up a damage amp with each headshot you land -- helpful both for guns and spirit builds
Nerf movement already holy fuck what is wrong with movement trannies
>>575686017As the other Anon said, it's a minor change that more consistently rewards the player for both what they intended to do and also what they actually did rather than randomly penalizing them in an unintuitive way they may not even realize is happening. It's not remotely comparable to literally just flat adding damage to an ability.
>>575688374>so OP she 100 -> 0's anyone>still doesn't win games somehowHmmm... curious!
>>575688989>change crackshot so it builds up a damage amp with each headshot you landlet's not cater to aimlabs trannies. just replace crackshot with an entirely different support/spirit oriented ability
>>575689434You're right, more mindless AoE spiritslop. Keep it up, Yoshi, you're doing great.
>>575689434Yeah, and then give that kit to a hero who isn't the grandaughter of Doc Holliday and give Holliday a gun kit
>>575689585Fuck off. We need less gun characters.
>Echo shard still being purchased by 5 people every gamenice ""Nerf""
>>575686740running in and dropping 5k damage before dying 1v6, 11 times, is a million times easier than playing for your life. shitters that do this think they're being useful for some reason.
It's admirable how Silver players speedran being the most obnoxious playerbase before she even came out and they've still been keeping that reputation alive all this time.
>>575689672Then remove Holliday lore from the game because it doesn't make any sense that the grandaughter of a famous GUNfighter using his famous GUN she inherited doesn't fucking build GUN
>>575689765Ok Vegas.
Why does Apollo have higher health per boon than Silver?
>>575688989wasnt there like an aimlabs version of holiday where her buttons were switching types of guns (revolver, rifle, shotgun)I feel like that could be done in an interesting way, and split off the bomb throwing jump pad retardation to some other character
>>575689860because silver gains more health when she ults
>>575688374She has literally never done that to me though, maybe you're just bad?
>>575689860hes a manname one woman who has more health than a man character
do you like the meta
>>575689694Second least deaths. Talk out your ass some more.
>>575689765Yeah, them insisting she's op despite all the evidence contradicting it is really annoying. Upplaying silvertrannies really need to shut the fuck up.
>>575690028without looking i'm going to say every single one except for mina beats rem
>>575690028why doesnt silver get female character stamina then?
>>575689381It's not just 'flat added damage', though. It's conditional damage, with the condition being something Silver doesn't want to spend time doing It's a minor change that will possibly more consistently reward the player for doing what they might not have prior intended to do and no longer penalizing them in the unintuitive way of requiring you to spend time farming camps instead of broolingGonna have to be more specific with your words than that to get one over on me boyo
>>575689965>aimlabsabsolute stroke post, meant hero labsit appears it never made it that far though and was just datamined in earlier versions
>>575690160Ass too fat
>>575689860Because Silver is a dogshit hero that doesn't do anything. """Frontliner""" with literally 0 hp lol
>>575690028actually apollo could be a woman. who knows what ixians genders look like chuddy
>>575690028My beloved Wivy has 4
>>575689965>>575688989she had a version of crackshot that switched to a fixed-ammo shotgun (like venator ult) in 2024 and they also tested a rework where you had to make consecutive shots on the same target without missing for damage but they were both less synergistic with her kit than the current version
>>575690375>less synergistic with her kit than the current versionHow is that possible? Holliday's kit is already unco as fuck
Can someone present definitive proof that silver nerfs aren't just Ivy's melee damage nerf tier bullying.Every goddamn patch is worse than the last.
>>575690601Hero shooter retards think she's op because she can win 1v1s in the early-mid game, but she does nothing that actually wins you games.
>>575690182
>>575690375The problem with Holliday is that there's a huge dissonance with how you expect her to play based on her looks and lore, and how she actually plays.The kit itself is fine, but it's like if drifter had dynamo's kit. No other character has that big of a dissonance excpet maybe vyper, and she's literally using a placeholder model.
give Holliday a horse
>>575691229a ghost horse
>>575690028McGinnis has always been a brick shithouse.
>>575689965Like elsa in marvel rivals? >jump on bounce pad>get a one use shotgun/super revolver bulletMight be annoying indoors and she would be like a bullet version of paradox
>>575690978>excpet maybe vyperwhat kinda dissonanceshe's a green fast goblin, her model even as shit as it is still reflects that
>>575690715same with seven. he has a high winrate because he can actually close out games more reliably than other characters. doesn't mean he doesn't have his weaknesses in the midgame though
viscous and celeste's charge abilities should not have chargesin fact no hero should, just give the good heroes with charges (talon, graves) lower cooldowns, and the overpowered heroes (aforementioned) reasonable ones
>>575691392I meant the sliding everywhere part, which you wouldn't expect from someone with legs, but yeah you're right, even vyper as unfinished as she is has more cohesion than holliday
>>575668257I didn't suggest using barrage before ult and no one suggested using his first spell before ulting.
Rem genuinely needs nerfed.and i want it to be an extreme over nerf.
>Go out of my way to hit boxes>They're emptyBad game design
>>575691573are box contents pure rng or there's an even distribution across the map per spawn?
>>575691548yeah, he has too much clothing
>>575691456Seven is basically the inverse of Silver, he loses 1v1s unless mega fed but he actually wins games.
I don't mind Silver. But I want her nerfed more to piss off Silver players.
>>575690320stamina is not health furfag>>575691339mcniggis is a tranny so that doesnt count
>>575691945This, they still insist she's OP lmao
Is Rem still decent? I just wanna heal and steal sinners all day.
mo is unironically the strongest hero in the game right now thanks to perma burrow
My wife Silver always inspires such fervent discussionsJust yet one more reason to love her
Hold onI think we missed it in all the commotion but pro players are crying wolf.Literally.
>>575657663If thats the case now it can just he reapplied immediately since it's just based on the enemy not the player
The matchmaking and hero draft system in this game is unforgivably bad. Is it ever going to get fixed?Every fucking game no matter how well I do in my lane, 1 or both of the other lanes have already fed 10+ kills each in the first 12 minutes.
>>575693345>hero draft system in this game is unforgivably badthis game has NO draft system
>>575693142
>>575693401Exactly
What did Venator do to warrant nerfs?>slowing bullets change hurts his early game>sprint speed nerf puts him in the wheelchair mobility tier with Warden>range nerf rapes the one good thing he had going for A SLOW GUN CHARACTERAnd the one buff he got was on his ult, the only thing that makes people seethe over him. What the fuck?
I keep running into unhinged Rem players who talk shit right out the gate
>>575693737yoshi is telling you to build ultbot and throw games4d chess move to drop everyone in low prio and collect MORE DATA!
>>575659682whole lot of retardation here
>>575693573it can't be bad if it doesn't exist thoughever
>>575692052>see a straight woman>think "TRANNY"you're mentally ill
>>575693345>1 or both of the other lanes have already fed 10+ kills each in the first 12 minutes.and how exactly is draft going to fix that?
