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Sonic racing? More like Sonic rider

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Reminder: Sonic 06 runs on Dragon ball logic.

>>575670484
riding sonic
https://files.catbox.moe/vhpalj.mp4

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A mod if you don't like the new turkey ninjas with hydrocephalus
https://x.com/i/status/2082272409910964480

>>575670524
I have no idea what these rings are. It's been decades since the last time I watched dragon ball

>>575670881
Dragonball Super explains there is one normal timeline (silver ring) but every time someone goes back into the past and changes something, an alternate timeline is created (green rings).

Solaris consumes all but the normal and bad future timelines at the end of 06.

>>575670657
>tfw Sonic will never wink his hole at you

>>575671052
Well if Solaris deleted timelines then that means it doesn't work like Dragon ball right? Dragonball never made Trunks forget his memories of a previous life like Silver

Can anyone comb the archives and find the post from the other day where someone posted a fake screenshot of the Sonic account saying Blade of Courage was being translated? It had an english version of the main cover and I don't remember if it was the same as the new announcement

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>2026
>I am forgotten
This dude speedrunned vaulting like a chinese youtube short.

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>>575672483
Nobody likes troons, everyone likes vampires

anons, what are some non sonic games that you consider to be your comfort games?
for me it's the locoroco and patapon games (RIP japan studios btw)

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>>575671980
everyone focuses on the shiteater but this guy's head always makes me smirk with glee

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>>575672672
I don't play games that aren't Sonic. I just look at drawings on Twitter and pretend I'm good at drawing

>>575672661
what's the probability of him being a faggot for silver?

>>575672661
Vampire are constantly under attack from troons.

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>teasing anon's penis while he sleeps

>>575671862
Anyone? I think we had a leak but I didn't save it

IDW is trying to get Blade if Courage cancelled by sending it to app hell and tanking any appeal it could have in the west. And I expect the translation to be ass too.

>>575674147
Brother they can barely even get their own fucking comic out on time

>>575671414
Except there's more than one Silver. That particular fact is inescapable. Likewise, timelines were never reset in Dragonball ergo nobody has amnesia.

>>575674274
Okay, and?

>>575674274
Which makes it more suspicious they took this on at all. If the leak thing is true, this is a ploy to antagonize and "own the chuds" by tanking BoC

>>575674434
>this is a ploy to antagonize and "own the chuds" by tanking BoC
I think it's more about them trying to capitalize on another additional sonic media.

Anyways, whenever you need sega they're always busy hammering their balls instead of controlling this shit.

>>575674705
>I think it's more about them trying to capitalize on another additional sonic media.
I'm talking about the possible leak. If that cover was first shown here with a fake tweet for ragebait, that means someone official knows exactly what they're doing to piss people off here

>>575674705
Nah, IDW is trying to pull a power move because people shit on their Sonic comic and glazed the manga. This is revenge.

>>575674856
Even if they succeed this won't end in their favor, if your comics eill always suck you might as well get to boost your revenue instead of ending into twitter politics... sega as always is incompetent because of boc fail they lose another license to suck money from.

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>>575670024
No Freedom Fighters no buy, sorry!

>literally everyone has five fingers
>except Robotnik who has four
Such is the mysterious of Sonic 6 Feet Underground

>>575674147
IDW is doing the bare minimum because Sega doesn't care as long as they get paid

>>575676151
>IDW is doing the bare minimum
barely even that.

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>I wish Blade of Courage became officially available to the west!

2020s sonic is a joint operation between the mafia and the jews

>>575672672
Subnautica. Just wish it was longer. Looking forward to the new one.

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>>575673717
That's only fine if you're the captain!

>>575677205
AY ME CAPTAIN

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>>575677315

>>575675851
>five fingers
What a freak.

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>>575674342
There isn't more than one Silver.
Pushing your headcanons as facts in /v/ where people don't play the games may work for you, but here? That's not gonna fly

>>575677902
Whatever you say Overlander

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holy ass

Genuinely outside of Fiona, Li-moon and Zoey, who would be able to handle Tails' fox knot?

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>>575673105
We can only hope Silver is his first victim but Blaze steps in and unknowingly spoil his plans.
My September will be ruined if we don't get faggot gay sex with Sonic characters in 1 month and 2 weeks

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>>575678213
wtf the fuck is that shit ass blur effect

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>>575678269

>>575678307
he's trying to get out

>>575678535
Aren't we all...?

>>575678425
Canines are cheating, they've already evolved to take the knot.

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>>575678718
Exactly.

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>>575679023
heh. Jewel a cute!

>>575678945
>they're not even crying
Come on, doesn't IDW has crying fetish?

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>>575678718
This >>575678945
Even the only known chaste Sally in the multiverse (anti-sally) ended up becoming addicted to it.
Kemoshota knots completely mindbreak any non-canine females upon penetration.

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>>575679213
It does.

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>>575679213
No, Sega's clamping down on that shit.

>>575679373
She's getting the Archie Sonic treatment
Anyway post that picture of Sonic crying like a bitch (labeled as "Cry Bitterly")
It was drawn by a Japanese artist

>>575679373
I hope the left one is the final version. Her face is way better

Ever thought about how Yui Karasuno can't review IDW Sonic

>>575679373
>Re-doing perfectly good panels for no reason
Silly SEGA. I hope ABT got paid for the changes at least.

>>575674434
>If the leak thing is true
QRD? Didn't hear any leak about BoC lately

>>575676443
I didn't even wish for that, I was just fine with Windii's translation on Mangadex

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>>575679630
Nope.

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>>575679567
SONIC. DISLIKES. TEARS.

>>575679774
That's why fanarts that makes him suffer and cry are my favorites

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>>575679567
I like to think this is the Sonic version of this particular image
>>575679774
>>575679841
There's also that one old ass fanart by some Mexican artist in the style of Sonic X anime that shows him crying elegantly

Bump Racing Crossworlds is boring.

>>575679373
Right does look better
tears on the left look too viscous

>IT'S OVER
>IT'S FINALLY OVER
>...
>Sonic the Hedgehog #100
>Starline resurrects Mimic

sonic needs a new fighting game. im done saying he should have one. he NEEDS one.

>>575680004
Show me your top 100 title and you will have the right to complain about being boring

>>575679373
In my opinion there should never be visible crying in IDW, except for specifically Whisper, who should be the designated ryona/suffering bait with ABT's signature ugly crying.

>>575670484
>>575670657
You have to be careful with this bro. This attraction that you have will inevitably translate to real life

>>575680281
I'm done listening to people who think every series should have a fighting game.
No one gives a fuck about fighting games. Most will play it for one week then drop it once they get destroyed online.

>Finally lose virginity
>Check /sthg/
>Thread thought I was shitting it up mid-fuck

>>575680364
Smash is unbelievably popular. A fighting game with Sonic characters would be PEAK.

i had sex with one of the anon here
he lasted like 30 seconds but i found it amusing

>>575680359
Anal sex feels good even if you are straight, trust me I have tried, just shove a finger up your arse and find the G spot

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>>575680468
Smash isn't a fighting game

This isn't even me ragebaiting. It's basically its own genre of platforming combat that people only care about because of the character roster. Hell, most people only care about Smash for the reveal trailers, the game itself is almost irrelevant compared to reaction videos.

Sonic needs a fighting game that isn't a fighting game because people don't like playing fighting games but love talking about fighting games

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>>575680531
>he lasted like 30 seconds
He at least sucked your cock after, right? He didn't just go to sleep?

>>575680686
This is the truest shit anyone has ever said about fighting games.

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>>575680707
>These are the numbers of games where I am a protagonist in 20 years

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Sonik but it's Mortal Kombat

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>>575680468
smash is an exception, because nintendrones are retards and will jump up and down every time nintendo start shaking the keys.
>JINGLE JINGLE JINGLE! LOOK AT THE BING BING WAHOO LOOK AT IT YOU'VE BEEN WAITING FOR SO LONG! EVERYONE IS IN THE GAME EVERY SLOP YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU DO WANT THE MEGAMULTIVERSE MASHUP DON'T YOU?
A bit like crossworlds.

>>575680831
Haha
One

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Douge

https://youtube.com/watch?v=N3ce8h9Xzd0&pp

>>575680831
3, rivals and rivals 2

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>>575681195
Those half assed games should have never seen the light of day, I rather pretend they don't exist

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>>575680707
I rabbu shiruba kun

I need Big's DILF dick in me

>>575681052
liked by aggro 35 year old incels

>>575681523
they have the same priority as side stuff like advance and rush

>>575681692
Except Evan said Sega didn't even consider them canon until recently

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sonic should be old school 90s/00s edgy shit

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>>575680251
Oh gosh, yes! I would laugh my dick off.

>>575681879
well that would be confusing on why anyone knows silver

>>575680251
There are already two masked villains, so he already would have resurrected him, it would just be revealed in #100

colors ds is more canon than any rivals game

>>575680416
Well done. Pics when?

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>>575664502
Westerners have no sense of object permanence. Their perception og this is loterally dependant on who is the main character at any given time because they have main character syndrome.

Sonic wasn't a "motormouth" in ShtH. He talks more because he is an NPC giving out exposition in cutscenes to an amesiac. His dynamic with Shadow isn't meaningfully different from SA2 except for the fact Sonic is written like hoe he treats Shadow by the end of thr game while Shadow is written like how he treats Sonic by the beginning of the game.

Sonic in every other game before colors is still cool. Its just they misplace their feelings about Shadow doing superficially "cooler" things as the game making Sonic out to be less cool because they dont wanna be accountable for their feelings.

These are the same people that back in 2005 were accusing Shadow of being cringe and edgy and doing "stupid shit that doesnt belong in a Sonic game" but now that that era of discourse is over they have to come up with a new narrative.

Just admit you find edgeshit cooler. Literally the same scoffing dismissive attitude Shadow has with Sonic in his game is in SA2 to begin with.

>>575670524
No it doesn't.
Thr game itself describes "The Past", "The Present" and "The Future" as the "tinelines".
Its not multiverse theory.

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Babylon and Knuckles

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Wish I could suck on Whisper's tits.

>>575674342
There are no timeloops in DB because there cannot be because time works on MV theory.
In 06, going back in time affects shit so its not like DB

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>>575682060
Just don't explain it

If it was for me i'd abolish canon and go straight with "every game is a self-contained story".

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>>575682623
I'd say Sonic 1, 2 and 3 and 3&K then Adventure 1, 2 and ShadowTH could all be one single "canon" before a reboot was really needed desu. Heroes and CD are up for debate but I'd be happy to leave them out of the "official" grouping anyways.

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>>575682427
Blaze won the skin line contest

>>575678269
Mina literally did it twice

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>>575683127

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>>575678269
Hear me out... plantjob

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Honestly, Amy's mysticism feels more unified with her core character concept than Tails is with his tinkering.

Amy is a fortune teller whose card reading led her to a destined encounter with Sonic, which was love at first sight, and now she believes they are destined lovers bound by the red string of fate. That is one holistic character concept that explains her background, personality, motivation, etc., all at once.

But Tails' entire character is split down the middle. He's a kid who was a bullied for having two tails until he was inspired by the sight of Sonic running by, and he thought Sonic was so cool, so he started following Sonic around out of a desire to be cool, too. Through Sonic, he learned to see his two tails as a sign of vitality, and over time he grows to believe in himself and become someone Sonic can rely on. ....And _also_, Tails loves tinkering with technology and has invented many things, he was captivated by the sight of Sonic's Tornado and has made upgrades to it over time, and his skill even rivals Eggman but he has yet to reach his true potential.

These two sides do not feel unified. Tails' technology has virtually nothing to do with his backstory or his motivations or anything. The first thing about him is being a kid who can fly fast enough to keep up with Sonic, and the thing that allows him to do this is what he was bullied and ostracized for in the past so its his main source of insecurity and self-esteem. The fact he likes tinkering with technology and pilots Sonic's plane honestly feels entirely separate from that whole narrative and concept, even though its just as integral to who Tails is as a character in general.

It makes me kinda wish Nine's backstory was just part of Tails' original backstory as well, so there could be better unification between Tails' flying side and his tinkering side in a way that enhances each other without the massive divide between his SA1 and SA2 gameplay styles.

>>575681523
Kys, rivals 2 is awesome, just because they didn't get any marketing means they're bad you fucking mainstream snob

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>>575683442
jej

Penders considered the Light Mobius to be canon, meaning that is there was a time when at least a version of Tails had sex with a woman

i think it'd b sweet if sega referenced any of the chao that appear in the challenge races more often, think about how cool it would be to have little spirit chao follow you around with little flame emotion balls and no legs just floating ominously by your side. idk.

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>>575682859
No she fucking didn't you liar KEK

I am this close to adding amy to my filters next to the rest of the spam shit.

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>>575683127
Poor thing, probably almost killed her.
You know what? She must have really loved him if she tried that hard take it work.

TA-

>>575682427
*& Knuckles

>>575683696
Neat.

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>>575683819

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The Rivals games aren't even worth playing, let alone worth talking about

>>575684346
I like amy but i hate her a lot of fans so much. specially those we have here

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>>575682859
Won being the most boring uninteresting skin

>>575683932
i would kill for a mina bodypillow lowky

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>>575684457
Hang in there!

If Silver fans acted like Amy fans they would never have to deal with Uwuver because the writers would fear smiting from god
>but the comics write Amy wrong all the time
They actually don't. Amy has been completely in character ever since Archie reboot and IDW and you retards want her to act like she did in Sonic X

>>575675376
You dont even actually like the FF.

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>>575684513
the fans don't want stoopid friends or cutesy shit. they want edgelord kino.

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>>575684372
Literally playable Espio and Metal, and actually racing like a normal Sonic character without a car.

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>>575684660
Still think the IP needs to be split into the current thing for kids and an adult section for the hardcore nudity 'n such.

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>>575684372
Thank you for your input anon, but we don't take larpers as objectively correct.

>>575680597
I remember talking about this with my friends back ehen Sm4sh came out.

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>>575684801
>for the hardcore nudity 'n such.
I don't want porn. I want edgelord kino

>>575684801
Best part, Blaze doesn't belong in neither.

>>575682840
CD is needed for Amy. Heroes is needed for ShtH. Which then makes CD needed for Metal.

>>575684863
It got a lot worse when people realised any character could show up.
There was all that hype and excitement and nerds crying about Banjo Kazooie getting in, then no one even played as him.

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>>575672661
>more hypnosis/mind control fetish slop
IDW really can't help themselves, can they?

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>Still think the IP needs to be split into the current thing for kids and an adult section for the hardcore nudity 'n such.
You just want canon cunny and vixen pussy.

You can play every game except shth and know exactly what is happening without the context of other games

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>>575684801
>Still think the IP needs to be split
KILL YOURSELF!!!!!!!

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>what if we took the two player mode we had in other sonic games and made it into a whole game but splashed a fighting game story on top of it?

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>>575684372
I actually like the Rivals games, they're 2.5D which is a nice seamless 2d trying to get into modern

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does anyone have the full translation?

What the fuck is the point of having nudity in a series about cartoon animals where half of them are nude anyway and don't have dicks and the other half still have cartoon anatomy? What are you trying to accomplish here?

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>>575684965

Violet is the best character fag here. She understands Sally. Most fans don't realize Sally is basically the Bulma in Satam.

>>575685331
>shitty fanart slop
Exactly.

>>575685016
Fair enough. Could call it the " '91 - '06 era". AKA "The first 15 years."

>>575685457
So the Yuji Naka era

>>575685448
Cute busty boy

>>575682859
i like this one but i dont want to open rumble + my phone is broken in a place that i cant take to fix it for the summer even if i wanted to.

Do you think women are trying to get rid of the y chromosome?

>>575685356
You will never be a woman Violet. Your parents had a son.

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>>575685550

>>575685448
dont get the point of genderbending if its just a random slut instead of actually being creative and accurate about ''what if silver was a girl''

ROUGE IS A WHORE!!!!

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>>575685749

>>575685701
What is wrong with you?

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>>575683448
This is a very insightful post. I think Sonic Team realised that, which is ehy they have tried to merge and connect the two aspects more over time. In Sonic X for example, thry have him also be bullied for his interests in tinkering, tying his being bullied to both his character traits.

Looking at it now, I am more sympathetic towards the conflict in Tails discourse. But I believe overall, Sonic Team basically decided to lean more on the latter trait because pushing the former is a dead end for the character.

To be fair in regards to Amy though, you coulf argue people do the same thing with Amy's fortunetelling and her piko hammer.
The only reason it was introduced was because the devs wanted to emphasize her tomboyoshness more and make her playable on a fighting game. But now people know her more as "pink hammer girl" instead of "that girl that believes in horoscope shit"
I would say the two are less seperate or distinct traits, since the latter played into her arc of becoming more capable to impress Sonic and fend for herself, but there is something there.

But yeah if Tails 2 things were his tails and his tech, Amy's was her mysticism and her physical growth arc.

The reality is though you can only physically grow more powerful so much before you kind if have to plateau and it just becomes implied rather than visible.

Is Amy is gonna be comparatively capable to the core cast, then she kind of HAS to lean into her horoscope stuff more.

This is the problem in general with people
Needing everyone to be "equals".

>>575685875
Your voice doesn't pass and neither does your body. You will never be a woman. You are a bullied faggot male.

>>575685457
Reminds me of a post on vp right now that is claiming Pokemon fits into two canons. The Taijiri era (grounded with real animals and crime) and the Masuda era (cuddly and safe with anime plots)

>>575685701
>>575685958
Trvth nuke

>>575685448
they give you hrt in the future for free?

>>575686130
troons wish hrt did that lmao

Fuck off, Sparky.

>>575686172
PSI is common in Silver's future, HRT in 200 years will probably be optimized and will give you such results

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>>575684372
I hate that 30 years later SoA is still trying to turn Sonic into TMNT.


>>575684603
Amy fans smiled Ian and forced him to stop writing Amy like BoomSally and his writing in IDW has been him apologizing to Amyfans ever since.
The Amy Knuckles vomic he wrote is basically a big "I'm sorry Amyfans for dumping her behind the desk so I coulf play with my per Character Knuckles action figure and have him punch shot while standing next to Sonic"
He dedicates a whole section of the comic to making Amy go back to chasing Sonic and ditch the resistance.

Then Evan pics it up and wanted to write Shadow babysitting Cream but Sega said no, so she wrote proto-Team Rose instead and wrote Amy Amazingly and in character and everyone praised it for giving us more of the real Amy back.
Then be got Test Run where Amy is even MORE like her 2000s self and Trial By Fire where she gets her Tarot Cards back like Amyfags asked. They even made it real merch because we said it would be easy merchandising.
Amy is noe in-character-wise dunking on ever even having had to do lame shit like file forms and do paperwork instead of going on there and being proactive.

Amy's writing in IDW is a result of Amyfags pitching long and persistent enough that now IDW is actually the only place right now where Amy is actually written half decent because the writers are deliberately pushing her to be more like in the 2000s to satisfy us.

So youre wrong.
IDW Amy acts more like 2000s and X Amy now than she did before.
And fans like it, including the humans who claim to not like 2000s Amy or that IDW "fixed" her because they actually like 2000s Amy as well and are just being sheeple.

And I encourage Silverfriends to do the same because supporting friends is what Amy would do

I will never forgive Silverfags for how they treated Lettuce

>>575686451
This. 200 years of advancement in technology and medicine would blow anything the current day has out of the water

>psychic powers are common in Silvers3future
Do we know the source of this?

>>575685448
>>575685737
female silver would be a chestlet like blaze, she would be into practical clothes or ones optimized for combat, she would also be naive about romance and sexuality like her male counterpart, her quills would probably be more feminine or distinct looking rather than being a copy of the male vers hairstyle. this isn't any kind of silver.

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>>575685882
I guess Tails & Amy both have two sides.

One side is Tinkering & Fortune Telling.
The other side is keeping up with Sonic.

Tails and Amy are polar opposite equivalents to each other. Tails has the ability to keep up with Sonic from the moment they met, whereas Amy was physically just a normal girl despite her mysticism and intuition. Over time, Amy developed her physical capability to keep up with Sonic as well, while Tails' growth was through becoming more courageous and self-confident in the abilities he already had.

>But I believe overall, Sonic Team basically decided to lean more on the latter trait because pushing the former is a dead end for the character.
I don't agree with this at all, because his ability to keep up with Sonic is still the basis of how he met Sonic, and his character overall. Ignoring or downplaying this to emphasize the tinkering has only been a detriment because what it really turns into is removing Tails' capability in-general to have him just be tech support.

It's like an inverse of how Amy progressed. Amy went from just a fortune teller to essentially a magical girl using a giant magical hammer and being strong and fast enough to catch up to Sonic. But Tails went from racing against Sonic with his flying ability to relying solely on a mech in one game to then eventually sitting on the sidelines only helping through the Miles Electric or exposition or whatever else, alone. Like Sonic & The Black Knight puts Tails and Amy in relatively equal positions functionally, regardless of Nimue having way more screen time. But the difference is that the role Nimue plays feels natural for Amy's character, while the Blacksmith role for Tails feels completely reductive and destroys like 99% of who he is as a character just to focus purely on the fact that he's a tinkerer.

The character that was introduced to be Player 2 going through the whole adventure by Sonic's side, reduced to just a blacksmith who appears only once.

>>575686749
>Do we know the source of this?
Scraped desc

>>575686731
lettuce is only good for drawing ocs I can fap to

>>575686713
>Then Evan pics it up and wanted to write Shadow babysitting Cream
Seriously Evan is just a terrible fit for Sonic. She doesn't want to write cool action stories, she wants to write tea parties and therapy.

Does anyone else feel insane reading her stories and hearing people talk about her? IF you criticize her people say you're being sexist or mean. No this is literally an action franchise and she insists on writing fucking camping stories where the characters talk about their feelings.
Sage's introduction to the comic is just a sister bonding story for three months that ends in Sage asking Belle to be pen pals after recapturing Metal. It's not like we're doing characte r exploration since her favorite thing to explore is how everyone can be buddies and hold hands.

I'm sure her fanfics with no mandates are entertaining but her actual stories in IDW are cuteslop manhandled into an action story. It's like watching someone try to write Care Bears but with DBZ mandates.

>>575685356
Except the point of Bulma's character is that she is up her own ass and portrayed like a vein and shallow person compared to Goku who is pure and good-natured.

This is westfag101. Western characters historically have no narrative function. They are seen as just a collection of superficial character traits that fit into a plug n play style mold.

Yes if you look at Bulma as just "hot techs savvy girl paired with the MC and who drives the initial call the adventure, then sure. They are comparable.

But the point of Sally vs Sonic is that Sally is supposed to wrangle Sonic and be the mature responsible one. Bulma is not these things.
Bulma is hotheaded and immature and vain and a bitch. But she does grow to show she has a heart and becomes legitimately fond of Goku and they form a genuine friendship.

>>575686749
>>575686927
It wasnt scraped, in SoE it was canon
Also, in Onyx City had classes and a lot of people had some powers and they were forced into those classes of citizens

>>575687161
>Bulma is hotheaded and immature and vain and a bitch
sounds more like Sonia than Sally

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If you had to go through what Silver fans go through you would slowly lose your mind too

Amy Rose has always shown weird ass powers in Sonic X, Battle, 06 and etc.
But they were shown without explanation. They were abstract and came out of nowhere and that was part of the joke. Amy, being a regular girls, can do crazy things at moments and you will ask yourself "wtf was that???"

And while I don't mind Tarot Cards as part of the character, they imo make Amy's magic side too grounded.

>LABOR CLASS: blue to teal. This is what most folks are, including Silver. His big metal glove cuffs and boot-cuffs are his IDs. Teal-class are tasked with manual labor in the city’s massive algae processing plants; the main food staple is robot-farmed algae grown in massive patties out on the wastes, which is transported to the city to be processed into complete nutrient cakes, bio-fuel, plastics, and textiles. Silver frequently skips out of work, using his TK to avoid ID scanners and such. He trades fresh water from his hideout to bootleg food carts in the Night Market instead of relying on the daily algae-cake allotment he’d get for showing up to work.
It's actually fine world-building, shame it wasnt shown at all in Archie

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>>575684513
Why are you so obsessed with retweets? I have seen more fanarts of Blaze with wings than that Metal Sonic will ever have.
Seriously uninstall Twitter, your brain will thank you

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>>575686731
>Calls all of them out unprovoked and says the character should stay mischaracterised
Kill yourself lettuce, if you're going to cry keep it to yourself.

>>575687714
its probably a silverfag traumatized by blazefag whining.

the funny thing about evan is she wouldn't be a writer or even a fan if silver and 06 didn't exist

>>575686130
They give it to you for free now too

>>575687714
>retweets
>Tanjiro meme
>"i've seen more fan art"
>Blaze
I think you're in a worse condition.

>>575687621
amy was a test bed for experimental abilities that wouldn't fit with other characters. amy has never had a consistent skillset. they changed with every game

>But the labor force isn’t there to keep the wheels turning, it’s to allow the administration to identify individuals with unusual abilities– such as Silver’s telekinesis. The fast-paced, hazardous, physically-demanding factories are ideal for raising people’s stress levels and forcing them to accidentally awaken or reveal their powers. People with powers are collected by the Council and certain members of the Science Center (not Schlemmer), to be used for experimentation.
Imagine Silver being experimented on and he ends how Gren ended in Cowboy Beepop

>>575687714
>I-I'm popular!!
woman cope

>>575687161
They have almost identical TVTropes pages
They invented the exact same device

>>575687161
Sounds like the difference is not the characters themselves but how their tropes are culturally perceived.

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>>575687818
>IT'S A SILVERFA-

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>>575686749
In 200 years dysphoria is either cured or purged out with abortion.

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>>575687621
Amy is as normal as Tails is.

Both Tails and Amy are underdogs relative to Sonic, and that's what matters. Amy shouldn't be treated like a real life human girl with no capability or special skill to speak of just to over-emphasize how "normal" she is. She lacked Sonic's speed and strength early on but made up for it in mysticism.

>Sega not using Silver for any games
>sega giving shadow more attention than ever
>if he's lucky Fowler might use him in the movies for an 06 adaptatioon
>"Fans" want him to be turned into an adorable cuddly bunny cutiepie because of what IDW did to him
>The one IDW who keeps using him is Evan
>Ian turned him into a punching bag jobber who acts awkward and scares the bitches instead of smashing puss in the archie world
>evan creates a sexy oc just for him and then says she would never fuck him
>Blazefags won't just lie down and accept their dynamic
Being a Silverchad is rough

>>575688065
i like silver more than i do blaze, but its well known both characters have fags that whine about the opposite side.

>>575688098
Most likely cured with metal vaginas and wombs for troons and super HRT, selling stuff to trans people is super profitable specially if they need it for life

Ian Flynn makes Sally right, but in SatAM Sally is just another perspective to Sonic and the narrative doesn't orbit around her views.

>>575688648
DA ARCHITECT

>>575688098
Nah, it's going to get worse as time goes on until furry cyborgs are the norm

>>575688648
I didn't know Pierce Brosnan was into hmofa

>>575688336
the blazefag thing seems like a cope desu, silver is just their new scapegoat for her being irrevelant or whatever ship fantasies they have not being canon. before silver got more popular they were whining about amy. and in 2010s they had the ''our character is not ruined by meta era'' attitude but that cope ended after they realized she doesn't get used. soon there will be more legitimate criticism about her conception or problems.

>>575688390
Not really. It's pretty much completely 1-sided. Silver fans only shit on Blaze and her fans because they do it. And they do it because Silver's the only scape goat for why Blaze can't be the narrative black hole she's designed to be.

>>575688390
No, you'll see Blazefags either force Silver in as a culprit or force themselves in when Silver gets something like merch, you never see this with Silverfags, they always tend to mention ST or Evan and Ian.

>>575688667
>Ian Flynn makes Sally right
do you mean he writes her correctly or that he makes her correct in universe

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>>575685263
Coming out soon exclusively on the IDW app!

>>575688390
Silverfags whine about thing in the real world like writing and appeal
Blazefags whine about Silver stealing from Blaze or some shit.

>>575688853
>>575688842
i'm not saying it wasn't blazefags that started it. but either way this kind of schizo'ing out only happens between them even if silverfags are only really responding. silverrapefag i ve seen on twitter whining about blaze in response to blazefags/sonazefags whinng about silver.

>>575688559
>Most likely cured with metal vaginas and wombs for troons and super HRT
Why the fuck opening an entire supply chain of shit cyborgs when you could shoot a laser inside their brain and get rid of dysphoria?

They keep lamenting about this shit like i keep lamenting about my glasses, and they're both considered "conditions" and not illness. I'm gonna get rid of myopia when i have enough funds, they should be able to do the same unless they're really mentally retarded.

There is a panel in Archie where Eggman basically says Sally is the weilder and Sonic is the gun and without her Sonic has no aim. He is proven right since Sonic is unable to stop Eggman from doing all the things that lead to the Super Genesis Wave. After the Reboot Mighty says the exact same thing, that if Sally is around that means Sonic has a purpose

>>575689159
silverrapefag sometimes whines about blaze though its mostly as a response to her fags.

yea i agree the silver thing is just the new cope/scapegoat as to why sega considers her irrevelant

>>575689351
No no you're getting it wrong, Sonic is perfect he's the wind, he rapes Eggman whenever he feels like it and leaves and leaves like a hobo under the bringe

IDW clearly did something wrong for there to be so much discussion about how Sonic and Silver should be "vulnerable". I am never reading that shit. There shouldn't even be a concept about this. It's just retarded

>>575688390
It's funny because it's not even true
Silverfags bullied the actual culprits for his bad writing and they're trying to push Sega to change him by either talking to the writers or give them an AU example
Blazefags... never done anything that could help the character what so ever, they just made more fags less interested in her.

>>575689557
This is just women trying to feminize everything once again.

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>>575688336
>sega giving shadow more attention than ever
This is only a problem if you think your favorite character should be getting what Shadow gets

>>575689557
i mean silver showed his ''vulnerability'' plenty in 06, people just didn't pay attention and wanted it flanderized or exeggrated beyond it actually was there.

>>575689579
yea its a minority but i noticed a few silverfags doing it randomly in threads as a trauma response. most silverfags either like blaze or are neutral/don't think about her.

it always comes back to being about another character

How are Shadowfags so humble? The are the humblest posters of /sthg/

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>>575685994
Only know it as Before Ash wins the big pokemaster tournament and afterwards.

>>575689748
Not really, old fans are just tried of him.

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>>575686857
>The character that was introduced to be Player 2 going through the whole adventure by Sonic's side, reduced to just a blacksmith who appears only once.
NTA, I think this is partially a consequence of Player-2 syndrome. Tails has it better than other P2s because he was made to follow Sonic and cover some of his weakspots (eg.flying) but P2s in general aren't remembered nearly well as P1s. IRONICALLY, I think switching Tails and Rosy at birth so that the latter was P2 while the former was extended cast would've resulted in better writing for both characters in the long run, but hindsight is 20-20.

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>>575692119 (samefag)
ALSO I'm pretty sure Tails' role is the "shopkeep" in the storybook games, right? So the player does see him multiple times, but he just has limited cutscenes.

>>575692119
Tails and Amy's introductions is core to their own archetypal roles, so swapping it feels wrong.

CD Amy being an NPC while S2 Tails is the Player 1.5 and Player 2, establish the core of who Tails and Amy are. And Sonic Adventure gave them both their own separate campaigns developing them further beyond that.

I mean, the baseline of who Tails is, as I always say, is like Robin or Simon the Digger. He's meant to be the kid that follows the cool mentor figure, before breaking out into his own and realizing his own potential. That's why one of his inspirations is Kid Gohan, and what his SA1 story was about.

The problem is that after SA1, this is never truly followed up on, and he's always relegated to just following or assisting Sonic without any real focus or development on his own. Which is what directly feeds into the "tech support" role as his tech side becomes the dominant trait and everything he ever did is put on the back-burner, which leads to being written like how he is in Forces only for everyone playing to see the blatant discrepancy.

>>575692374
Yeah the Blacksmith is part of the gameplay in the sense that you can go to the Blacksmith to upgrade your swords and what-not, but he only has one cutscene.

Sure, he's playable in Multiplayer as well, and I like that... but even still, a slingshot? Really? A whole game about swords, and this is a variant of the kid who follows Sonic around and does what he does, and wants to be like him, and he's not even given a sword of his own despite working on swords being his whole profession here....

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Off to a great start.

>>575691834
>old fans
Makes zero sense when the franchise keeps changing every 5 to 7 years, so the only option of "tired of him" is "Shadow is in the way of something I want"

>>575692740
This shit is so overrated

>>575692781
Blame the comics for setting the standard so low that people just praise anything where Sonic acts the way he did in the adventure era

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>>575692523
I kneel.

>>575686857
>I don't agree with this at all, because his ability to keep up with Sonic is still the basis of how he met Sonic, and his character overall.
Sure, but the basis of how their friendship was solidified was through his tech. He could fly his plane, repair it and upgrade it while he stands on the wing, hair in the wind and fending off attacks.

If not for that, their bond doesnt really cement itself. I'd argue its one of the key differences between Tails and Amy because Tails provides utility to Sonic while Amy provides a conflict (Sonic may or may not like her but isnt down for relationships)
Its why I think some people want her to stop chasing him because they believe she can get more conventional approval and affirmation from Sonic the way Tails does. Though I find this way less interesting then thr cat n mouse thing they are meant to have.

I'm sympathetic to the concern, I really am, but I think when we are honest with ourselves, this just isn't true. All claims to how physically capable Tails is or was prior was always extrapolation or implication. In a real practice, Tails was always more just "tagging along" and #helping in actual practice. And that's to be expected because Sonic is the main character and is ultimately gonna be the one to stand ahead and save the day.

This is what I mean by it being a dead-end for his character. Because it reduces Tails to "Sonic Jr.". Its like how some Gohanfans want him to just replace Goku as the main character. It doesn't really work.
So playing up his tech is the only real logical avenue to make him excel in a way where he stands out while maintaining the integrity of his original concept. Because "wanting to be cool like Sonic" in a direct sense is not possible. But being cool like Sonic by being the best version of himself is.

People just lie about random cartoon shit from archie for power scaling

>>575693336
making love to this dumb piece of estogenmeat

>>575693353
amy fans are sonamy fans

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>ugly turtles in my Sonic racing game

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Is this what being Shadow feels like?

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>>575686857
(cont)
I have the same problem with people that try to do this woth Amy as well. Trying to turn her visually into just a pink Sonic.

We have an issue in this fandom in general of fans just wanting their pet character of choice to just be Sonic+.

I think its telling that people saw Tails as a equal or even leading in SA2 and saw Heroes as a regression. It's not even that Tails himself actually regressed in Heroes, but relegating him to that role puts him in Sonic's shadow by default.

>Like Sonic & The Black Knight puts Tails and Amy in relatively equal positions functionally, regardless of Nimue having way more screen time. But the difference is that the role Nimue plays feels natural for Amy's character, while the Blacksmith role for Tails feels completely reductive and destroys like 99% of who he is as a character just to focus purely on the fact that he's a tinkerer.

As an Amyfan I find this really offensive. No, Amy being the calm wise soothesayer who tests Sonic's heart instead of the spunky yume who chases him and works out to impress him isn't any less "reductive" as Tails being a blacksmith. If anything, i'd argue its more reductive. Blacksmith Tails at least still feels like Tails. Nimue is a different character entirely wearing Amy as a costume.

>>575693043
>In a real practice, Tails was always more just "tagging along" and #helping in actual practice.
Except no, because even saying this is downplaying his entire character and making it seem like what the games presented just never happened. Which is unacceptable.

>This is what I mean by it being a dead-end for his character.
Seems like the opposite, when the tech stuff leads to the Unleashed-Colors-Generations-Lost World-Forces pipeline of being more and more incapable of doing anything to the point of being utterly helpless at his lowest point, when this debut was all about how he can keep up with Sonic, and his story in SA1 is built around racing Sonic through each level.

It feels like Tails is turned into a completely different character altogether with no shred of his original identity, because everything about who he is as a person is defined by the side that has the ability to fly and keep up with Sonic.

He was bullied because of his tails, became inspired by Sonic running by, grew to accept his unique trait, and eventually becomes loved and accepted as a hero by the city all on his own. His tinkering was always there, but it existed in-support of this narrative.

But now it's like all of that is completely erased, and all he has left is just "being the tech guy", to the point his own character traits are removed just to emphasize it even further, and all shred of physical capability to do ANYTHING on his own is erased as well. How is that acceptable?! How is that any good for his character, when it leads to garbage like Forces!? When all Tails has is cowardice without the courage to make up for it. When the only two characters in the story are just Sonic & Tails together, but Sonic is the only one doing everything while Tails only appears in cutscenes contributing absolutely nothing of value or being written completely OOC just to force a meaningless conflict that only makes him look worse.

Sonic and Shadow staring contest

>>575693353
Now show me how many times she has had or mentioned tarot cards in the games

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CharmyxSage is going strong

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>>575694178
Leave Sage out of tsundere autism.

>>575687135
I liked CR&BB and TestRun and Trial By Fire. One of the benefits of a comic is you can have the characters in scenarios where they aren't strictly saving the damn world all the time. We already have the games for that so I disagree that the comic having more light stuff is wrong or bad.
Fans actually asked for more light stuff, especially after the MV arc was so draining.

But sure, more action would be nice. Personally I think Test Run was great and had plenty of action

>>575694178
I wonder what's going inside of heads of rareshippers
Charmy x Sage
Mecha Sonic x Wave
Espio x Tangle
Sonic x Surge

>>575694178
Her blush should still be red desu.

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>>575694178
what

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>>575692740
>one-shot

>>575693043
>Because "wanting to be cool like Sonic" in a direct sense is not possible. But being cool like Sonic by being the best version of himself is.
BUT HE'S NOT BEING THE "BEST VERSION OF HIMSELF" AT ALL! THAT IS THE PROBLEM!

We KNOW who Tails is, we've seen him at his best. He's far more than just a tech guy, and heck, he's barely even being that nowadays compared to the past, as well.

Tails had a whole side game where he took on an entire armada by himself with just bombs and gadgets he built in his workshop, before he even met Sonic. He built a giant rocket to space. He built the Tornado II, a superior version of Sonic's plane that's completely his own. He broke into Prison Island with the Cyclone just to bust Sonic out of prison, no questions asked. He had the Energy Ball arm cannon and magic hands in Sonic Battle, alongside his tail attacks.

Where is ANY of that nowadays!? The Miles Electric is a useful computer device, sure, but he's had a whole lot more tech to his name when he was being the kid who wants to be cool like Sonic, than he does now.

At the end of the day,
>Because it reduces Tails to "Sonic Jr.".
This is what the core of Tails' character generally is. He is the "Kid-Sonic", at his core. Even his tech side is built into that, because its inherently scaled to Eggman just as his flight is to Sonic. He is a young kid with the skills of both the main protagonist and antagonist of the series combined, with untapped potential to go even further beyond. His SA1 gameplay is "be like Sonic", and his SA2 gameplay is "be like Eggman". This is his narrative, one way or the other.

If this is the case:
>Its like how some Gohanfans want him to just replace Goku as the main character. It doesn't really work.
What you are ACTUALLY saying is that Tails as a character does not work in this franchise, period. That may not be what you intended, but it's what you're actually implying because this is what Tails' character is built on.

>>575687365
Yes
>>575688000
>using TVTropes as an argument
TVTropes itself is ass because it analyses media through this same western reductive lens, testing everything like a collection of database elements rather than narrative functions.
Its also a wiki. Its not based on anything concrete. People just plug shit in where they feel it vaguely resembles the trope.

People make fun of many alleged tropes on TVTropes all the time.
Using TvTropes as a rulebook for media analyze is hack behavior.
>>575688056
No its the character that is different. Sally is not an immature brat who uses her tech skills to get a boyfriend and a lifetime supply of strawberries.
She isnt the type to offer a boy to touch her ass for a mcguffin.

They are superficially similar in that they are "headstrong tech babes" but substantively different in every regard.

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>>575694353
>I wonder what's going inside of heads of rareshippers
In this case it is pretty obvious

>>575692470
>CD Amy being an NPC while S2 Tails is the Player 1.5 and Player 2, establish the core of who Tails and Amy are.
This feels like a weird hang up to me. Ultimately these things are meaningless things that have nothing to do with the actual character. It'd be like saying Eggman should never be playable because he was made "the villain".

Those aspects are a part of their conception and inform that conception, but i would hardly say being "player 2 and an NPC" is "the core of their characters".

Thats kind of autistic.

I do agree that their arcs and how that relates to Sonic IS important to their character though. But I disagree that Tails has to focus on being Sonic Jr and Amy needs to remain an NPC background character is "essential" in any capacity or should be maintained.

>>575693861
>No, Amy being the calm wise soothesayer who tests Sonic's heart instead of the spunky yume who chases him and works out to impress him isn't any less "reductive" as Tails being a blacksmith.
I mean in the sense that she's a supporting character in the narrative whose contribution is through mystical stuff, that role fits Amy even if Nimue doesn't have Amy's full personality.

Amy shouldn't be written like Nimue personality-wise at all, Nimue is far too calm. But still, Nimue's contributions to the narrative fit an Amy-adjacent role far better than the Blacksmith does for Tails. The Blacksmith does not actually feel like Tails at all, he doesn't do what Tails should actually be doing. He's -just- a blacksmith who has one cutscene to fix up Caliburn, and that is literally it.

Honestly, I'd rather "Tails & Amy" both have far more presence in a story that is otherwise the best possible characterization of Sonic himself. Its an insult to both for them to be so severely shafted, but at least "Amy" got more than "Tails" did.

>>575693861
>Trying to turn her visually into just a pink Sonic.
>
>We have an issue in this fandom in general of fans just wanting their pet character of choice to just be Sonic+.
The fact of the matter is, these characters ARE built around mirroring Sonic in some way.

Tails at his core is functionally Robin or Kid Flash, the sidekick who is the kid version of the lead mentor. Amy is Minnie Mouse to Sonic's Mickey, so she's the girl version of the lead mascot. Even their own unique traits exist in relation to those roles. So naturally, growth for both Tails and Amy ultimately means "be more like Sonic" because that is literally their goal, from different directions.

What makes Tails and Amy unique largely comes from the fact they both have "half" of Sonic's character in different ways, and they're missing the other half which becomes the vehicle of their growth.

>>575692616
BlackSmith having a slingshot seems super character appropriate to me. Why would the bakcsmith have a sword? He isnt a knight.

>>575694934
Clever
Charmy dies of OD and Sage gets infected by Sonic Gather Battle

>>575692740
Is this description written by ai

>>575693043
The Sparky cult will disagree with this but its the truth

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>>575695578
It's by the soa intern who makes fake character descriptions to catch your IP address during low-traffic hours and build a profile on voices against the loreteam.

>>575693863
>Except no, because even saying this is downplaying his entire character and making it seem like what the games presented just never happened. Which is unacceptable.

Youre engaging in databasing right now.
Its like the powerscalers getting mad at the new Avatar movie because he doesnt 1 shot like in their powerscaling wiki.
>>575693863
>when the tech stuff leads to the Unleashed-Colors-Generations-Lost World-Forces
It doesnt though. Tails using his tech wasnt an issue prior. Tails being like that in Unleashed has nothing to do with his tech and everything to do with the game becoming Sonic central to the active downplaying of other characters in relevance to appease boomer critics.
This is what i mean before by the main way his physical ability was in prior games was implied through gameplay. So when Tails stopped being playable, that perception evaporated.

I need you to calm down and take this with level head. Im not shitting on tails. Im asking you to engage with the observation while seeing where im coming from.

>>575695296
I never said Amy should remain an NPC.

I said being introduced as an NPC is core to her character, as the starting point of her character growth. Tails being introduced as Player 1.5 / Player is HIS starting point. The base of who Tails is, is inherently built around having the physical capability to do what Sonic does and keep up with him.

Tails and Amy's stories in SA1 have the same general conclusion, but from these opposite starting points. Amy has the heart, Tails has the skill, but they lack what the other has and have to learn to develop it themselves in order to be more like Sonic or be closer to that ideal in the way they want.

Tails' unique skills, like his flying and his tech, are what he can do that Sonic doesn't. They are what push him beyond just being another Sonic. But that should not ever mean reducing him to tech support. Just as Amy got stronger and faster, Tails should be growing as well through his own skills, and neither side should lose what they already excelled at from the start either.

It'd be fine if Tails took on more of a backseat role in Sonic's adventures, if he was having his own adventures on the side. But that's not what's happening. Instead, Tails has been reduced to an NPC at the cost of his own capability that he was introduced with, and this is detrimental to his character writing as well. Because it became virtually impossible to write Tails consistent with his S2 -> SA1 characterization because all of it is dependent on how capable and active he is. The entire meta era tries to keep him as the kid who follows Sonic around on his adventures yet paradoxically refuses to actually let him DO THAT so he's in this weird middle ground where he's there in cutscenes but because he's not playable, he never gets to do anything or even seem like he can do anything.

Fuck it. Penders's story sounds kino.

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Is the IDW app run by AI?