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Sleepy Ride Edition

Previous morning train: >>575680796

Spoilers ahead, proceed at your own Frisk.

-DELTARUNE CHAPTER 1-5
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1671210/DELTARUNE/
>https://deltarune.com

-The Old Game
>https://undertale.com
-The Old Game's Demo
>https://undertale.com/demo

-The New Game's Progress
>https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/
>https://deltarune.com/#news
>https://web.archive.org/web/20240815033908/http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sqn3p9

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Personal creations anchor, reply with your latest work!
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Any theory about Deltarune that conveniently ignores the power of Determination and human souls is not worth entertaining. I can almost guarantee that the town is trapped in a barrier like the underworld in Undertale, which is why they suddenly lost internet.
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The Knight.... is Dess's Stand
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I love Aqua!
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>>575709910
Hometown is fake and part of the device for Gaster's game
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>>575709910
Deltarune's rules are not Undertale's, anon
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>>575710074
DessKnight is Rudy's cancer's stand
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posting the /utg/ mascot
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i don’t care who the knight is
it’s gonna die when i fatally kill it to death
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you did buy the Aqua plush? Right?
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>>575709910
looking into this...
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>>575710216
i would
id probably regret it
but i would
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>>575710216
Hottish but I hate shortstacks so 0/10
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>>575710074
It’s connected to the Holiday family and their trauma but can’t literally be Dess. It doesn’t make any sense.
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>>575710216
ew
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oppa gangam style
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>>575710206
What would be the point of Toby establishing the rules for souls and monster biology in undertale if they were going to be entirely contradictory to how people should expect them to work in his dream project? Where is the actual evidence of the world working differently beyond "people just don't know about these things," which doesn't make them not true btw
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>>575709818
wip
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Dess tortured her sister for several years because she thought it was funny
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>>575710216
Now someone draw her having a respectable career and a loving family
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>>575709650
Hoo...
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The only Knight that matters is the new one we're gonna be.
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>>575710615
Highly paid escort with multiple children of different species and races
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>Kris's (real) soul is being used to power the barrier
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my will to fight the knight
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>>575710498
Toby is a bad writer.
Deltarune monsters bleed and have to use toilets.
Undertale monsters dont know what toilets are and dont bleed.
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>>575710626
...man!
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>>575709910
doesn't this line of thought hit a wall with their being three save files? you'd have to conveniently accept that change
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If temmie died tommorow.
Deltarune would be finished
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Whenever I can’t explain something I call it stupid and accuse Toby of being incompetent. This is a perfectly normal and healthy thing to do.
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>>575710718
>toilet theory schizo
That's nice anon, enjoy the ride home on the shortbus today
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Susie is a notorious toilet clogger that's why everybody hates her in hometown
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what is the evidence for deltarune monster biology working different than undertale besides susie and noelle bleeding? idk what more do you need
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this galsei shit is serious https://files.catbox.moe/48ha63.png
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>>575710837
and when new information gets revealed that makes my theories nonviable I accuse Tony of changing his plans to spite me btw
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>>575710678
oh no... my fetish....
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>*Click* ...And sent!
>Fahahaha... Now that I posted yet another egregious bait post, those shitheads over at /utg/ will again bite hard like the absolute fools they are, and derail these threads once more, as of my master plan.
>It's kind of funny, Kris. Think about it, seriously. There are dozens of anons around the world, replying in anger to yet another vaguepost, just because they're too stupid to figure out that I'm playing then like damn fools... And the best part is, they fall for it again! And again... And again! Fahaha, they're really morons!
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>>575710912
Here >>575710868
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>>575711026
kill yourself noel.
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>>575710912
so did you miss the part where monsters still turn to dust and can shoot bullets and use magic in the dark worlds while Kris can't or are you the "Gerson was cremated" schizo?
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>>575710498
>how people should expect them to work in his dream project?
you don't decide that
I'm sure there are lots of people who would be interested to see Deltarune's rules differ from Undertale's
>Where is the actual evidence of the world working differently
monsters bleed, Queen believes determination to be a matter of lightners rather than humans. both of those could establish precedent for Deltarune's rules to be unique in other ways
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>>575710141
goat
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>>575710498
Undertale is its own story. It is a different world with different rules. It is not merely a preview for Deltarune, it stands on its own.
Several of the major qualities that distinguished monsters from humans in Undertale no longer apply in Delarune, such as monsters lacking functional magic and being able to utilize Determination without melting.
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>>575710141
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>>575710498
>>575710718
Deltarune and Undertale are different worlds, so they have different rules.
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>>575710837
Toby Fox is not your boyfriend.
The Undertale/Deltarune fandom has a problem that they treat autistic weeb Toby Fox like he is Jesus Christ and can not do wrong.
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>>575711026
Sex would fix him.
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>>575711026
can you post your dick please
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>>575711026
Kris getting rapidly escalating cute aggression watching Noel powertripping on 4chan until it becomes too much and they start tickling him without a warning
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>>575710931
>deltarune is a retelling of the Halloween Hack because he references if and it has similar themes (the same ones everything he's ever made has included)
I hate when people just make big charts stuffed with weak information to look more comprehensive
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>>575711026
fuck me noel
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>>575711026
Bratty deer needs rape correction
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>>575710839
>the mere mention of a toilet gave gave you an aneurism
Anon there’s bathrooms and toilets in buildings it doesn’t have to mean anything other than monsters in undertale didn’t have them while in deltarune they’re needed
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>>575711174
I don't even get what would be the issue with the rules of monster biology being different in DR nothing says anywhere they have to be the same as UT

Like, magic doesn't exist in DR LW so that alone should clue you in that it's very different to UT
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>>575711026
I think Kris would have bigger issues seeing all the humanfags wanting to be fucked by her blue loli flower self or ravage him.
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don't look
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dess is a human
knight is ruins dummy
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>>575711518
IS that a Limbus Company reference!?
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>>575711438
It's me, the humanfag who wants to ravage him. Better start running, Kris.
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>>575711126
>monsters can shoot bullets and use magic in the dark worlds
Does this mean humans are below plants in power scaling? Plants and flowers which are not monsters but are alive can do those things.


Or is Kris such a crippled failure that only they can't use magic?
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>>575711205
goot
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>>575711126
anon having to very rapidly say in the dark worlds under his breath to make this point work
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>>575710839
Time Poop hates Toilet Theory
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>>575710931
>ralsei despises the prophecy
and yet...
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>>575711126
>in the dark worlds
So there's no evidence of magic in the Light World, aka the "Real World", only in the Dark Worlds, aka the fantasy worlds
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>>575711178
Gaop!
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>>575711767
>>575711902
groop
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>>575711174
>you don't decide that
I don't but but typical writing conventions do. I'll ask again: what would that accomplish? How would it not confuse the reader and the overall plot to not call more attention to the differences by now if NOTHING worked the same?
>Queen believes determination to be a matter of lightners rather than humans
You didn't play Undertale you should go play Undertale
>>575711181
>Undertale is its own story
You should read the last line in that very slowly and get back to me when you do. "Different world maybe different rules" doesn't mean "everything will be different just because it can be" it means "the world of Undertale is complete you don't have to worry about those characters losing their happy ending." Why would Deltarune be "the game to play after Undertale" if there was absolutely no connection to it? Why would he say that if you were supposed to go into Deltarune taking nothing with you from the experience and world of Undertale? Again, how would that not be detrimental to his dream project's experience?
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>>575711741
I see suckable gote nipples
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>>575711873
If magic only works in the Dark World, then how come Undyne was able to use her magic spear attack immediately upon entering it as if it were no big deal? Almost like she was familiar with the magic beforehand or something.
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>>575711740
if noelle is so relatable and quirky why doesn’t her laptop dark world have any ytp references
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>>575710931
Seeing this makes me believe it won't happen simply because of how hard they have to cherry pick
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>>575712167
Susie can use Rude Buster no problem in the first fight with Lancer
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>>575711868
he's so cute. i want to show him something worse
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>>575712064
What writing convention says that a game set in an alternate universe has to have the same rules as your previous game? I must've missed that one in my English lessons.
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>>575712323
Mating press
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>>575712315
Has she ever stated that she can't use it outside of the Dark World? I can't remember every detail.
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>>575711873
Okay so it doesn't feel significant to you at all that all the monsters get to use magic in the fantasy world and not the only human?
>>575711739
See above, why does the distinction between monster and human exist?
>>575711393
Okay so monsters shitting because they eat non magical food (which is implied to be possible in Undertale by the big mouth npc btw) precludes monster souls and bodies from working the same way because...? Why does Susie mention dust in the monster funerary rites?
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goats are meant for pleasure torture until they pass out from exhaustion
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>>575710498
This is a retarded way to view the project. Deltarune isn't Toby Fox's ideal game that he envisioned before Undertale. Deltarune is the game being made after Undertale, with every lesson Undertale taught him and other ideas as well. That it's hoping to capture some magic dream he remembers doesn't mean the game isn't allowed to play with your expectations. He literally admits he wanted the Light World to trick you with its Undertale menus. Your expectations are part of the work
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>>575712441
She never uses any magic in the Light World at all and when she talks about Berdly's arm she says they could only heal it in the Dark World after she learns healing magic
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>>575712323
way too shota
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>>575712501
there may never be 4p porn of ralsei and asriel holding hands while kris/chara bape them through the mattress
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>>575712710
wow two of my favorite things put together
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>>575712728
What the fuck is bape
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>>575712660
That is a good point
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>>575712710
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>>575712893
>>575712710
What's this supposed to be a crossover of?
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>>575710912
Queen makes no distinction between humans and monsters possessing the Determination necessary to open Dark Fountains. It is impossible for Undertale monsters, which are less corporeal beings made of dust and magic, to harness significant quantities of Determination without their bodies losing their form and melting together.
Susie makes a Dark Fountain on-screen which is just as functional as Kris's, and The Knight almost certainly is/was also a monster. Noelle and Berdly are also implied to have this power. All of this independently confirms Queen's assertion.
There are other consequences of monsters not being made of dust and magic. Deltarune monsters are physical, corporeal beings that eat solid biological food and bleed wet blood. The same rabbit kid who questions Kris about blood in Chapter 1 also suggests they should be afraid of Susie; it would be absurd for a human to fear a monster in the world of Undertale, where monsters are incredibly weak compared to humans and can be killed by a human's killing intent alone.
Monsters lack of inherent magic in Deltarune also means functional magic is no longer possible for them. Toriel cooks on a mundane stove, not with fire magic. Rudy is hospitalized for real medical care, and Noelle laments that he can't be healed with just a spell. Toriel sends Rudy a get-well-soon card printed on paper, not made from a bullet pattern.
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Saw a theory that jumped off of the guilt Kris feels and the therapy session that mentions killing people/Aqua’s nature and tied it all together to say that they think Kris stabbed Dess with their knife in the shelter and created a dark world ON/IN her, making the knight and that thats the incident Asgore vagueposts about. Interesting, but crazy theory.
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>>575712710
Kino? In my /utg/?
Post full if exists please
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>>575712167
All monsters seem to inherently be able to use magic in the dark world which only supports my point. I think there's reason to believe that Gerson and Undyne are familiar with dark worlds before chapters 3 and 4 but Susie, Noelle and Berdly absolutely ARENT and still use magic naturally
>>575712367
>What writing convention says that a game set in an alternate universe has to have the same rules as your previous game?
Obtuse retards like you are really something. Undertale is effectively the primer for Deltarune, toby made it because he couldn't make Deltarune at the time. What about it being in an alternate universe means everything that could be different has to be different? What would that accomplish narratively? Do you think writers regularly set off to make works entirely contradictory to their prequels without any foreshadowing or forewarning?
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>>575711231
Why do I either have to accuse him of being incompetent or worship at his altar and say his stories are the greatest of all time? I think they’re good and emotional and competently written. I don’t think there are gaping holes in the plot of a game he’s been working on and thinking about for a decade. Have a little trust, SOME at least.
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>>575712849
replace the b with a t
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wife
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>>575712710
>>575712893
these are good
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>>575713039
Tape. Ok how dies that fit in
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>>575712958
kaiba
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>>575713062
cool boyfriend
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>>575712064
>everything will be different just because it can be
Nobody said that.
>there was absolutely no connection to it
Nobody said that.
>you were supposed to go into Deltarune taking nothing with you from the experience and world of Undertale
Nobody said that.
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>>575712565
Right so the SMARTER way to view the project is that at some point during the creation of Undertale toby thought to himself "hmmm actually I'll just put in a ton of stuff that means nothing for my dream project but it will use a ton of the same characters and themes and just to be sure I'll really hammer home how all the world's rules work before I throw them away for what will be viewed as the sequel" yes very sane way to view things
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>>575712710
>>575712710
Oh shit Kaiba. I still can't watch the Cloniko or the grandma episode without crying.
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Mating press loli Kris!!
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>>575712893
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Is it possible that Toby is not in fact that great of a writer after all?
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>>575712986
>Undertale is effectively the primer for Deltarune
Where has Toby said this? This just a headcanon of yours. Deltarune is it's own work that stands on it's own just like Undertale.
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miss the creepypasta aesthetic this series used to have
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>>575712986
>Undertale is effectively the primer for Deltarune
Can you read this post and shut up thanks
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>>575712849
yeah replace the b with a t
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Monster biology and souls and such are vaguely defined in Deltarune because Toby's original plan was for the light world to be populated with humans. The hometowners being monsters is a vestigial thing from Undertale just like the pointless fight/act dichotomy.
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>>575713141
i mean if shes feeling like it that day
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>>575713208
>Nobody said that
It is the implication of what you're saying faggot. What would establishing the field of monsters and souls in Undertale just for them to not matter or be contradictory to the uncannily similar project Deltarune that you are supposed to "play after Undertale?" You don't answer the question because there's no good answer for it, it wouldn't narrative accomplish anything besides affirming your headcanons
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>>575713329
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>>575713180
Shine on, you insane enby
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>>575712986
Kris can also inherently use magic in the Dark World, they just can't admit it to themselves. ACT is magic
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>>575713413
>judging the characters in their new context and viewing them as their own individual versions means you should always assume the rules of the world work differently
Okay retard
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>>575713479
>It is the implication of what you're saying faggot
No, that's the strawman you're constructing in your head to get mad at, so you don't have to acknowledge the points people are raising against your "Deltarune can't contradict Undertale" argument
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Surely Toby is not such a coward that he reused characters from Undertale because he believed that Deltarune would flop if he didn't?
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>>575712064
>>575713212
You were supposed to play Undertale, create a bunch of expectations when going into Deltarune, and have them brutally vicvisected by Toby Fox. You are supposed to take it and like it and if you're not capable of that then admit you were filtered and go to your grave with a grimace on your face
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Stop caring about recruits, crystals and eggs... they are not necessary. Do not hustle for them. It's ok to miss things after all there is only one ending.
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>>575713750
your "point" is that toby said some of the rules of the world may be different. Yes some things MAY be different but that doesn't mean ALL things are different. Why should I assume monsters don't turn to dust and have white souls against the evidence in game that they do just because they shit?
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>>575713750
Why do you keep replying to this ape its obvious they're trolling
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>>575713702
>you should always assume
Who are you quoting? You're inventing words I didn't say to make yourself angry again
I'm sorry you're upset that people are considering Undertale and Deltarune as two related but separate works with their own identities, but you'll have to take it up with Toby Fox
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This is a particularly dull schizo. Makes me appreciate our usual guys
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>>575713479
>What would establishing the field of monsters and souls in Undertale
So Undertale can have its own story that stands on its own with its own world building. Seeing as Undertale as some kind of exposition dump so Toby doesn't have to explain souls or monsters in Deltarune is a dumb take. Deltarune has monsters because the monsters were popular, Toby had fun with them in Undertale and it helped Toby mess with players expectations of Deltarune being Undertale 2.
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>>575713850
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>>575713954
This is a light snack in Catti's house.
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>>575713851
If he hadn’t settled on making Deltarune connected to Undertale he wouldn’t have hidden all the Gaster business in that game. He also did this not expecting Undertale to succeed to the extent it did.
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>>575713885
THERE IS NOTHING MORE IMPORTANT THAN REACHING THE ENDING
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Can't wait until Toby vindicates my theories in chapter 6. You will all look stupid then.
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>>575714028
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Monsters Undertale are in the Underground and can use magic
Monsters Deltarune are on the Surface and cannot use magic
The player is meant to wonder "What's the deal with that" and there will be an answer to that eventually
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>>575714219
Not the "Undertale is a dark world" again
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>>575713958
>>575713918
Timepoop fag thinks as long he keeps replying and gets the last word in he's won. Really he's just tiring out anyone who tries to engage with him and his endless retardation.
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my theories are based on literary analysis and are narrative in nature so the exact details of what transpires isnt too important because i can choose to interpret it as still fitting what i already viewed the story as
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>>575714219
The humans were sealed underground with a magic spell. Kris’ parents are down there. The Knight is their dad and wears December’s skull as a trophy
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>>575714219
Surely that is in violation of some writing convention… Does toby have a license to subvert expectations
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>>575713961
Okay so we're just pretending that Deltarune wasn't the original concept now cool whatever. Why would Toby write something clearly related to the project he really wanted to work on if playing that game first was going to be detrimental and counterintuitive to experiencing Deltarune?
>>575713935
You people are actually retarded and don't know how sequels work. I redirect you back to "that doesn't mean there won't be any connections" what did he mean by that? If the characters are distinct individuals from their undertale counterparts it can't be them so what connections would there be if the rules didn't matter and didn't work the same?
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Are Kris and Sans working together? In the Weird Route, Kris is depressed as shit but when Sans tells them to take the bread, Kris goes to him directly and takes it. It's an action Kris takes explicitly without any input from the player.
Why would Kris want bread so much? It leaves trails so they could be followed
but would Kris know at that point? Did Kris realize that on the spot? Or was it arranged beforehand considering how bad things got.
It would also answer a big question of how Kris can say "Nice to meet you" to Sans at the start of the game, cuz they already know each other?
Throughout the rest of the game, all the choices seem to be also what Kris would choose, with the exception of that.
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>>575713398
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????????????
You just made that up.
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why don't foids love male goats?
foids loves man tits and milk and male goats can produce milk
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Dess cannot be both the Knight, who is working with Carol, and the voice in the code. Dess cannot be the knight who made the dark fountain that Dess went missing in. Asgore found a black shard well before her disappearance, which means the Knight was active before that terrible night. The darkness was always under Hometown.

Trying to say that Dess is the knight is such a meaningless statement these days. Like okay, if Dess is the knight, is she in control? She's just working with her mom who is looking for her? Okay, so she's not in control, she's corrupted or something... So Carol works with her daughter's puppeteer instead of fighting it and winning? So the Knight is the broken dream of Dess Holiday everyone has before she went missing... But this broken dream existed before Dess went missing and broke the dream? Dess being possessed is also retarded, it completely erases her as a character. The knight isn't "someone" it's just The Knight.
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>>575714304
Deltarune is the Dark World.
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i dont think gaster means anything other than toby thinking the idea of the character was cool when he was 14
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>>575714323
He let me have the last word and I revoked his nickname. I beat him even if he won't admit it. He can't explain how Kris didn't have the power to SAVE before the incident without creating new rules that don't come from Undertale. He cannot explain why Kris doesn't react differently on your second go around to things if they remember your saving and loading, despite the fact Flowey did remember. They lost
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I’m on the toilet taking a poop
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>>575714476
but i love male goats :^)
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>>575713448
>Toby's original plan was for the light world to be populated with humans. The hometowners being monsters is a vestigial thing from Undertale just like the pointless fight/act dichotomy.
This is an intensely midwit take when the FIGHT/SPARE dichotomy expressed through Ralsei's pacifism and Susie's violence is the foundation of their respective characters, the way their dynamic develops, the plot of Chapter 1 and a cornerstone of Deltarune's story as a whole.
Just because it wasn't part of the original concept when Toby first thought about the game in 2012 doesn't mean he didn't give it due consideration by the time he actually being made in 2015-2018. It's not something tacked on as an afterthought, it's become quite important.
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utg proves that a mental filter beats all schizos because i cant even identify timeloop fag's posts. you guys are being played
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>>575714410
>Why would Toby write something clearly related to the project he really wanted to work on if playing that game first was going to be detrimental and counterintuitive to experiencing Deltarune?
Why don't you send him an email and ask him why he's done that, I can't read his mind. Just because it doesn't make sense to you currently that doesn't mean it's not what happened.
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>>575714452
I like this line of thought but that one festival dialogue branch where Kris seems to wonder about Sans as if they don’t know him well complicated things. I guess it’s more natural to think that Kris just recognized the role the bread would play and accepted it
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>>575714476
post so absurd it made me forget what i wanted to say
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AIIIEEEE K-KRIS SAMA! YOU MUST RUN! I CAN'T CONTROL MY INNER [DARKNESS], I AM BECOME THE [KNIGHT], THE CREATOR OF FOUNTAINS! MY MIND HAD BEEN BANISHED INTO THE DARK WORLD WHILE MY ZOMBIE BODY DOES OTHER STUFF FOR SOME UNKNOWN PURPOSE!
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>>575713448
This is true and makes sense based on all his inspirations. The monsters being part of Hometown is his new take on his old concept and it slaps real hard. I disagree with you that these things are ultimately vestigial. They will attain new meaning as Toby Fox makes his game, he just says shit like that when he's not confident
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>>575714219
Magic is something inherent to monsters in Undertale. It's not something tied to the Underground, like the power to SAVE.
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i think toby went too far in his "its ok for characters to have flaws" and "living in the past is bad" points he was trying to make because none of the lightners in deltarune are charming
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So, do you guys think Side-B is something Gaster already accounted for or are we actually "breaking" the game?
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>>575714484
>Asgore found a black shard well before her disappearance
We don't know when he found it, it could be in the first dark world or
it could be in the aftermath of it like in with the cyber world.
Timeline is not ready yet.
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>>575714878
Flip this list and you might be close to being correct
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Nobody likes my posts
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>>575714725
I accept your concession, take the rest of the day off and read some books champ
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>>575714410
People change, ideas morph and mutate. The game Toby Fox envisioned before Undertale is not the same game Deltarune is and will be. You have no idea how the creative process works. There is no ideal form that gets translated, everything is constantly shifting and growing, in detail and scope
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If Toby is a good writer why did he have to retcon the shadowcrystals in?
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Im green gaster! welcome to my brappy town!
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>>575714698
I haven't even read like 80% of the posts in this thread it's great
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>>575714927
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>>575714878
Heh! Being wrong and stupid! It’s so human!
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If you think Toby is a good writer, then the transitive property says that you must believe that J.K Rowling is a Godly writer.
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>>575712323
way too shota~
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>>575714997
Not a concession, you asked me to put words in Toby's mouth and I refused. I don't know the reason why Toby gave Undertale and Deltarune different rules even though that makes you very very angry. I can just observe he did because Deltarunes world does have different rules, all the ones that people have repeatedly told you and you're now actively dodging out on replying to.
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>>575714878
orange haters are barbarians the mandate of heaven rejects
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>>575715057
Because good writers retcon things in sometimes, especially between a demo and a final version

>>575715167
No? J K Rowling did not make Deltarune. She is fundamentally inferior
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>>575714878
i would move aqua and orange up to entertaining but this is really accurate
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I miss papyrus
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>>575715208
Stop feeding the troll you retard
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>>575714616
Jazz goat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACao0LBuXTI
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>>575714878
Objectively correct
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favey... your mothers love... shielded you from dumbled- i mean voldemorts evil spell
you are the fave who lived favey pooter...
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new krusie comic
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>>575715121
bro this is fucking awful
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>>575715050
>The game Toby Fox envisioned before Undertale is not the same game Deltarune is and will be
Of course not but that does not change the fact that it would be ridiculous to establish the rules of these things in Undertale and then make a "game to play after it" where all those rules do not matter and would counterintuitive to understanding the plot developments. Nevermind that there is very little evidence to suggest that none of undertale rules matter, it would be abysmal writing
>You have no idea how the creative process works
A sour projection from a miserable worm
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>>575714878
orange mostly exists to make ralsei look funnier and maddie look kinder
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>>575714927
lacryboy??
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if you hate orange youre transphobic
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>>575715362
Its moral because it makes my pingas tingle
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>>575715380
Not only does Toby Fox love ridiculous things, he loves to tease you with them. Accept it or be filtered. Nobody's problem but your own. He changed the rules and is rubbing it in your face and you have to deal with it
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*Steals Ralseis glasses*

Ermm! Ackthually! This is an allegory to the often-present attitude in this thread to the game many of the people her talk for hours and hours about!

Y'see! *Stops the glasses from sliding by readjusting them* That tiny bump in otherwise perfectly good and nice to look at pixel art simply gets ripped out of context and ridiculed like it was the equivalent of what many of these people here would write as lolcow-tier fanfic!
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>>575715331
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>>575715440
ya
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>>575715208
>I can just observe he did because Deltarunes world does have different rules
Okay so what's the difference between monsters turning to dust when they die in Undertale and Deltarune? Retard
>>575715282
Not a troll you people are actually too retarded to overcome the most simple objections beyond constantly going "okay well you just assume my headcanon is true because I say so"
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maybe you guys should wait for the game to be finished before jumping to all these conclusions
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>The Roaring Knight when the Screaming Day enters
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>>575715513
Downright esoteric post.
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>>575715546
There is no reason to think Monsters don't fall down and turn to dust in Deltarune, yet. Maybe there will be in the next chapter. I am ready to accept the differences. You are ready to shit yourself in a rage and hate the game because you are a flawed individual incapable of self-edification
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since the moment i saw orange i wondered when i'd see someone draw this with her. i still have not seen it. orangebros, we're falling
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>>575715489
>He changed the rules and is rubbing it in your face and you have to deal with it
Bizarre choice of words, does the imaginary toby in your head pat you on the back and say "good job son" after he feeds you new headcanons?
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>>575715531
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Dess pits
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>>575715546
Why can't monsters use magic in the real world?
Why do monsters need to use the bathroom?
Why are monsters made of blood?
Why do monsters have as much determination as kris and can open dark fountains which requires them?
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>>575715608
You may call it a gem optimized for a small group, anon. I hope the big pipfag is proud of seeing another one drawn.
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>>575709910
Hometown is fake and gay
gaster is a shitty demiurge, he cant create a truly genuine world which is why the game starts on a thursday, the ferry wheel cant get to the top and hometown is seemingly cut off from the rest of the world.

The experiment of DELTARUNE is to bring about a genuine world by using a compelling story (the prophecy) and the will (and imagination) of a powerful deity which is quite literally (You).
Ralsei whispered this to me when he came in me in a dream.
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>>575714979
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>>575715412
Orange was kind of funny at first, but her schtick gets old incredibly quickly and it was really irritating that she was constantly the instigator, yet it felt like the narrative was on her side for getting her feelings hurt
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>>575715542
wonder if he‘ll upload ralsei gore to the baarag
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>If you abort Snowgrave during chapter 5, the bread is gone from your inventory
The purpose of the bread is literally just an excuse for you to warp Kris and Noelle out of the lake, isn't it. It's not going to be used in chapter 7.
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Ralsei LOST
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>>575714484
>Dess cannot be both the Knight, who is working with Carol, and the voice in the code
Yes she can.
>Dess cannot be the knight who made the dark fountain that Dess went missing in
Yes she can.
>Asgore found a black shard well before her disappearance
That's wrong.
"* It was left... at the... original scene..."
The shard was left behind after the Dark World was sealed (because it's an object that's the same in both worlds), like at the Computer Lab.
>The darkness was always under Hometown.
Non sequitur, this has nothing to do with Dess or The Knight.
>She's just working with her mom who is looking for her?
Even before the new information this Chapter made it essentially impossible I want to know how anyone still thought this was all just to "find Dess" after Carol started talking about "police sacrifice"
>The knight isn't "someone" it's just The Knight.
All the signs that Kris knows who The Knight is and is hiding that from us and Susie trying to reason who The Knight might be in the Light World were a waste of time that meant nothing, got it, you are a very good writer
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he's blue for an amazing reason
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>>575715721
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>>575715665
>There is no reason to think Monsters don't fall down and turn to dust in Deltarune, yet
Okay but it's a different world right? Deltarune is its own game right so why are you assuming that based on Undertale rules?
>You are ready to shit yourself in a rage and hate the game because you are a flawed individual incapable of self-edification
Bizarre projection, my beliefs about the direction of the story have naturally changed many times as we got new information. Nobody is shitting themselves, I am confounded by the depths of ignorance and delusion displayed here there are children with better reading comprehension skills
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TELL ME YOU DIDNT TYPE THAT
TELL ME YOU DIDNT POST
>i poost
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>>575715121
>susie wins the susiebowl
damn it.
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>>575715721
cuties
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Chapter 6 can not come soon enough
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>>575715791
>it was HER fault SHE started it
Raly… aren’t you a little old to be thinking like this?
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>>575715864
>Even before the new information this Chapter made it essentially impossible I want to know how anyone still thought this was all just to "find Dess" after Carol started talking about "police sacrifice"
carol was never the mystery caller
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If Kris's evil plan is because they know they're in a simulation that begins the moment the game starts then when did they have the time to formulate the evil plan like surely Kris would know that their evil plan must be part of the simulation
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>>575715742
yeag
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>>575715791
>yet it felt like the narrative was on her side for getting her feelings hurt
i can understand this
it’s my issue with most of the flowers they don’t really do anything to be worthy of the reactions they get. green especially, she doesn’t even speak
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>>575715689
Anon, monsters have no magic. That is a change of the rules. They get their magic BACK when they go into the dark world. That's a new rule. Toby Fox is doing fun things with our expectations and you're acting like he's molesting you. Go away then.
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>>575716028
Cute art
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>>575715809
It says it leaves crumbs wherever it goes. It's probably for following, and you don't need to be followed if you're not going out of bounds anymore.
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>>575715791
She is like a 6 year old or something, Ralsei genuinely beefing and antagonizing her is on him lol
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>Misgenders people
>Commits sexual assualt
Why do we like it again?
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>>575715910
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>>575715908
this must be how the japanese see the world since they dont believe in the color green
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>>575715982
nta but putting in "susie" "guitar" "I'll be right there" followed by carol immediately showing up and taking the guitar having it not be her is just dogshit writing
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>>575715950
Anon you are too stupid to live. Why the fuck would Toby Fox pretend Undertale doesn't exist when making Deltarune that uses the same characters and tricks you into thinking itm ight be a sequel? The rules that change ARE CHANGES
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>>575715546
They both take place on earth too. You're right they must be the same after all. As long as we ignore all the things that have changed, those aren't important right?
You're the one saying things work the exact same way in both games. I haven't said nothing has stayed the same, obviously some things have (like the existence of monsters).
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>>575715908
Wait... is Ralsei's dress always have an apple shaped tit window?
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>>575715276
Where the fuck even is he? He was at home in Chapter 1 & 2, and then the house is empty in Chapter 4 and Sans tells us he "couldn't make it" for the festival. He's just fucking GONE now.
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>>575715610
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>>575716262
the doomed love.
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>>575716034
It feels like the narrative thinks they have gravitas just because they're Undertale references and the characters somehow know this
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>>575716286
Papyrus Deltarune never existed.
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>>575716067
shonen hero
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>>575715908
he is bluish in his regular sprite too
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>>575715761
>Why can't monsters use magic in the real world?
Probably because they don't know it exists and thus do not practice it
>Why do monsters need to use the bathroom?
>Why are monsters made of blood?
Small bunny implies not all monsters are made of blood and the big mouth monster in Undertale implies that monsters can still eat and digest corporeal food. Neither of those things change that the monster souls clearly work the same and they still turn to dust when they die
>Why do monsters have as much determination as kris and can open dark fountains which requires them?
Show me where the requisite amount of determination to create a dark fountain is stated. You just need any determination (is a soul) to open a dark fountain based on what we know. Monster souls have determination, if they didn't Flowey would not have been able to substitute frisks soul with every other soul in the underground to gain godlike power.
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>>575716262
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>>575716181
Carol still shows up in the weird route despite Kris never making the call, and her voice is different in the weird route call. The idea that she is using a voice changer for the benefit of no one but to fool the audience is equally retarded
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>>575716334
you said it better than i did lmao
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These takes are… something, aren’t they?
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How long until chapter 6?
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>>575715791
Pink got orange to apologize too so I don't think the narrative favored her all that much.
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asriel literally got zero quality women to choose from
best he could do was the druggy girl with rich parents
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If Toby wanted us to care about them instead of the seven Flowers they should have been the seven Gasters
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>>575716526
idk
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sex with goats
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>>575716446
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>>575716445
Flowey is not a monster. Flowey is a flower sprinkled with monster dust and injected with human determination
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>>575716526
december 2026
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>>575716526
probably a year so buckle up
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>>575716181
it's called misdirection, you got played. this sort of thing happens in mystery stories all the time.
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>>575716041
You're actually so retarded you think I'm "mad at Toby" this is getting good
>>575716203
>You're the one saying things work the exact same way
No I am saying it is reasonable to assume that things work the way they do in undertale unless otherwise stated
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>>575716446
I remember a bunch of Kucks getting mad a Susie for hiding something. I can't remember what it was though
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>>575715980
Isn't Ralsei a little old to be getting in the bath with highschoolers?
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https://youtu.be/5J8PGzSsU_Q

We've now reached the
>Kris stabbed Dess to death
theory
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>>575716689
I think it's reasonable to think that things don't work the way they do in undertale unless otherwise stated.
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>>575716890
The POWERY of FLOWERY
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What if the third code is written on Catti's t-shirt and that's why we're not allowed to see it.
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>>575716765
I only remember she told Noelle and Berdly the dark worlds were a dream, was it that?
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>>575716962
I saw that video and immediately thought "oh i bet hes gonna go "nonon he stabbed dess to death and thats what created the fountain" and didnt even bother clicking because you literally need to stab the ground. i will not watch it but i bet its some larper ass theory
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Asriel is the knight
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fave is debating on paying 5 bucks to bypass a pateron paywall to get acsess to the full version of this porn comic where Asriel is gets railed at a college party. now, the question, utg, is should fave take the plunge? fave is horny right now
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>>575717028
and that's the last one.
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Ralsei is 4 days old stop plapping him
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>>575709910
>which is why they suddenly lost internet.
The underground still had internet though
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>>575716976
Okay then you're a retard, have fun being confused when the reveals don't handhold you
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Goresuke…
Gorepippi…
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>>575717214
see if they have a page on kemono first
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>>575709818
Reposting since its not 3AM
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>>575717214
One of the all time unbreakable rules, never pay for porn
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>>575716328
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>>575709910
>Any theory about Deltarune that conveniently ignores the power of Determination and human souls is not worth entertaining
What the fuck does this mean?
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>>575716485
How do you know Kris didn't make the call after equip-ing Noelle? We literally fade to black before getting tossed around in the bathroom. And even then, I never said the weird route caller was Carol. You're acting like whatever "plan" they have wouldn't have obviously changed course in WR
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>>575715121
unfortunately I like this
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>>575717254
Why are they so arrogant?
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>>575717305
Kemono is dead. It's p awchive these days
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>>575715982
>carol was never the mystery caller
Nobody pretended this was a serious opinion until some dipshit Youtuber started promoting it for clicks a few months ago

>>575716485
>despite Kris never making the call
Why does Kris still wipe their phone if they didn't make the call
>her voice is different
She's calling Kris as Noelle's mother in the weird route ending, she doesn't need to disguise herself to make a perfectly normal personal call to her daughter's estranged friend at 2AM
It is of course not at all suspicious that Carol has Kris's personal phone number and would make a call like that to them at that hour as if she knew they would still be awake, this certainly has no implications about their relationship on the normal route
>The idea that she is using a voice changer for the benefit of no one
She knows about the SOUL. Kris knows about the SOUL. She knows you might be listening. They talk about the SOUL on the call. In case the piles of red hearts around her house and mentioning -YOU- in bright red text like she remembers you're genosides didn't clue you in.
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>>575717246
>No argument, just insults
Concession accepted
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My Deltarune theories are copied from the fandom at the time, and I get personally upset when the new chapter debunks my theories, and complain that "Deltarune would be better if it did X/Y".
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>>575716995
Big if true, just like catti
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>>575717254
>"work much better for Carol"
>"Carol is provably impossible"
And people say there's no anti Rudy Knight bias
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>>575717438
Skin of very dark brown color
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>>575717139
when fower eyes are smiling
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Is there any evidence for the Dess Knight theory that isn't just a bunch of teens going: "No dude, you don't understand, it would be soooo hype!"?
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>>575717368
That you're talking to a generic time loop schizo who wants to argue Kris is a time looper but already lost several arguments yesterday
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>>575717214
Give me the artist and I'll give it to you
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>>575717219
Splendid stuff anon.
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>>575717390
There is no good motivation for Carol to be team-roaring that doesn't make her a ridiculous cartoon villain, especially because the knight must either be dess's kidnapper or dess herself given most recent information
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>>575717485
The anti-Rudy Knight Bias is that Rudy fell into a coma, and then the Knight showed up after that
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>>575717462
>Nobody pretended this was a serious opinion until some dipshit Youtuber started promoting it for clicks a few months ago
I've thought it since Chapter 4 came out but I don't bring it up because I know fandom consensus is against it so I know to not bring it up unless you want to get dogpiled by people insisting it has to be Carol for the same tired reasons you already knew why they think it's Carol.
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>>575717343
cute
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>>575717474
I concede nothing, you have no logic behind your thoughts. You will cry and seeth and shit yourself when the new chapters come out and vindicate me loser
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>>575717637
>fell into a coma
yeah and Kris is the knight too retard "look he's got a knife bro"
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>>575717492
my collection of aborted fetuses that i keep above my desk
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>>575716646
warm... tight...
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>>575717485
That's biased in favor of Rudy Knight for giving it a full paragraph of attention when it can be dismissed in one sentence even easier than Carol Knight
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>>575717609
Thanks, it's not mine though. Source is https://x.com/i/status/2082498914562003263
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If the Knight is LITERALLY ANYBODY AT ALL I will SCREAM and SCREAM and SCREAM at all of you!!!
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>>575717343
Aww, this is adorable
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>>575717483
Catti is big but she is not true, she is a liar.
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>>575717761
>it can be dismissed in one sentence even easier than Carol Knight
No it can't
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>>575717727
What does this mean? Who lied to Noelle about Rudy being in a Coma? Why?
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>>575717305
nothing. pic related
>>575717604
https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheWitchofArt
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>>575717781
Always be on NOTHING
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>>575717438
So are round-earthers
>>575717485
Just speaks to how loose and poorly justified Rusy Knight is
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>>575717219
gem
i hope future chapters show more how susie was noticing things were off with kris but trusting it would work out
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theres no evidence both in the game or from a narrative point of view of dess having a fat ass
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>>575717781
dont worry! we all agreed the knight is really a stand.
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>>575717682
We just don't know why the person Kris was talking to about how Susie absolutely can't get the guitar said "I'll be right there" in response to Susie getting the guitar and Carol proceeded to leave work in the middle of the day with no explanation and immediately remove the guitar from Susie and inspect it to make sure the code was still in the guitar
it was probably Papyrus or something
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>>575717367
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I want to stick my dick between susie's fat asscheeks
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>>575717858
Rudy "fell down"
He was on a ladder. This is obviously intended to make you question whether he is dead or not
It is not a settled thing and anybody who feels confident that he's dead must be underage
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Kinda crazy how hard this general shills Dess knight when the only evidence for it is that Dess and the Knight have never been seen in the same room
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I had a dream where the ending of Deltarune was a reveal that it all took place in the mind of Asriel, who had a psychotic break at college and killed Kris the moment he got back and the events of the game were a story he was telling to the police to make it seem like Kris was evil and he was justified
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Imagine the seethe there would be Dess wasn't the Knight, thousands of pieces of art would be invalidated in an instant.
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https://x.com/i/status/2081113125466656981
ugly ass nose
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>>575715671
I’ll take up this mantle after work.
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>>575717630
The roaring is supposed to happen. The roaring is also supposed to be dealt with. The heroes win. It's not "pro team roaring" it's "making sure the roaring goes smoothly and in a very specific way." This explains everyone's motivations.
Trying to imply anything else just shows that you genuinely think Kris, by working with the Knight, is literally just a nihilist faggot. If that's your theory, y'know, fair, but I don't think that's the case.
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>>575718034
No falling down isn't dying. Falling down is going into a coma before you die.
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>>575717818
Is she? What lie did she tell? I guess not explaining to Noelle or Kris WHY she didn’t like susie beyond just the bullying could be construed as a lie by omission but maybe I missed something
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Imagine the seethe there would be Spamton wasn't the Knight, thousands of pieces of art would be invalidated in an instant.
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>>575718040
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>>575718121
irrelevant, anon
the question remains whether Rudy has fallen down in a traditional sense or Toby is fucking with us.
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>>575718034
He wasn't on a fucking ladder hours later, anon. The festival king and queen had already been picked by that time
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>>575718051
Like this hasn't already happened with Mike and Tenna
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carol is the mywifestery caller
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>>575718065
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People really think the phone voice is just, completely unaware the soul could be listening at any moment and isnt intentionally saying shit to through us off.
Especially during the "Ill be.... right there" line, Kris is holding us up to the phone. You REALLY think they would just, reveal their identity outright to us like that?
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>>575718185
Show me the evidence anon.
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>>575718194
Nice try but Rudy is still putting up lights after the King and Queen are selected.
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>>575717858
>Who lied to Noelle about Rudy being in a Coma? Why?
i havent been following the conversation btt its easy to assume carol did in service of getting noelle away so kris and susie can do dark world shit
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>>575718034
>>575718121
>>575718191
The ambiguity is surely intentional but in the JP script it just says he "collapsed," they don't use the term for "fallen down" in the Undertale sense
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>>575717343
Very cute, nice work
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>>575718091
>the truck that is summoned when the director does an ass shot:
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>>575718194
It is perfectly reasonable to assume that at some point after falling off of a ladder you must be discovered on the ground. That is an indeterminate amount of time.
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what if FRIEND really is… just a friend?
>but it looks creepy
i didn’t know deltarune’s message was judging people by appearances
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>>575718276
>through
why the fuck did I- throw, I meant throw god
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If susie and noelle were male more people would headcanon kris as female
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>>575718274
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>>575718432
gaster labels it a friend. why would he lie??
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>>575718364
Carol doesn't want Susie to get that code.
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>>575718432
He is, but not yours.
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>>575717965
This is your framing of events based on limited information. Whoever the call is from you have to admit there are parts of it we don't hear right? Unless you think Carol speaks in broken English on the phone for some reason.
The parts of the conversation you don't hear could change the context and meaning of the conversation and I think it does. Everything involving Carol in that scene is deliberate misdirection to make players think she could be the caller. So yes her actions match up with what was said on the phone because that's the point.
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Nice knight theory..............HOWEVER
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>>575718040
are you carol sewer theory or rudy sink theory
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>>575717734
Kris is Krillin, of course
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>>575717563
What we know about the knight:
>has to be some kind of Lightner
>Is clearly not a normal Lightner (casually overpowers Undyne and Asgore, almost certainly has the same appearance between worlds)
>MUST have known Gerson closely and viewed him as a mentor figure at an old age (Gerson is a living memory so how that person most remembered him is important)
>Appeared around the same time dess disappeared (black shards at the scene of the incident)
>Rules of good writing dictate it has to be a holiday at this point

Why I rule out Carol:
>logistical (couldn't possibly get to church before us)
>Gerson (Gerson would not be envisioned so old if he was her teacher at all)
>No reason to see her as not a normal Lightner
>Why would she be the knight immediately before/when Dess disappeared unless she's a ridiculous cartoon villain?
>More likely she is in the same position as Asgore (why else would she be funding him?) while also having some agreement with Kris, not knowing Kris is working with Knight (triple trucies)
Why I rule out Rudy:
>logistical (no believable way he is constantly sneaking out of the hospital, very obviously in ill health, no believable way he's faking.)
>Gerson
>No reason to see him as not a normal Lightner
>Why would he be the knight immediately before/when Dess disappeared unless he's a ridiculous cartoon villain?
>Chapter 5 is clearly setting up his ill health to be a factor in something bad happening with introducing Noelle

Why Dess is he only one that makes sense:
>has the most question marks around current status which leaves most room for explanation about anomalies (not a normal lightner)
>in the appropriate age bracket to see Gerson as a wise old mentor
>disappeared right around when knight first appeared
>we don't know her or the knight's motives at all, leaving most room for explanation
>even if she is definitively the code girl there is no concrete proof those are present tense or that some fuckery isn't going on regardless
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>>575717254
Okay, I guess we're doing this.

https://strawpoll.com/BJnXV3K3LZv
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>>575718432
Reminder that in the japanese version, the RECRUIT text when you spare an enemy actually says FRIEND
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>>575718432
What if roaring knight and Carol are secretly the good guys and Kris is helping them to prevent the real villains (ralsei and susie) from fucking up everything?
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>>575718276
Keeping the guitar away from Susie is the speaker's biggest priority, they emphasize it to Kris more than anything else.
It isn't an epic ploy, they trusted Kris with keeping Susie away from it and Kris failed because of our shenanigans. They were cornered and had to reveal themselves to intervene.
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>>575718527
kris gets orders from her opened it himself and was gonna tear it up
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BEEG FAVES EATING BEANZ
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>>575718124
1. Lying to Noelle about not knowing that "cat petters" is a videogame so Noelle pets her when there's a cat petters cartridge with her literal name on it in Kris's room.

2. Implying that Susie is a threat to Noelle's safety and Noelle must be "protected" from her when the true reason is that Catti is jealous over Noelle liking Susie.
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>>575718720
AYO THIS DARKNER EATING BEANS
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>>575718603
>logistical (couldn't possibly get to church before us)
People keep bringing it up, but could have Carol made the fountain BEFORE Kris made the call about the guitar?
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>>575718710
They couldve just fucking hung up. Why did they HAVE to say anything, just fucking GO?
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>>575718419
This is why I don’t go outside because I’d get hit by Truck-kun for my ass drawing crimes.
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I wonder whether it will be ch6 or ch7 when, inevitably, kris enters a dark world without the soul and/or the soul enters a dark world without kris and the weird funky endgame shenanigans happen.
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>>575718603
Asriel also fits for basically every reason Dess does while also having the motivation of actually finding dess (explains why Kris would effortlessly tag along and why he might be working with Carol as well) but I do not want le final boss surreal dreamer again
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Fuck, it’s going to be so funny when Dess Knight is hard disproven next Chapter. All these smug former Kris Knighters getting swatted down for a second time. Delicious.
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>>575718373
>they don't use the term for "fallen down" in the Undertale sense
JP alarm clock dialogue deconfirms this actually (fully canon and written by Toby Fox btw)
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>>575718720
FRIEND IS A BALD SVEDISH MAN
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>>575717989
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I have a dog chew toy stuffed animal and it smells so fucking good I love huffing it smells like chew toy chemicals
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>>575718603
>>Is clearly not a normal Lightner (casually overpowers Undyne and Asgore, almost certainly has the same appearance between worlds)
This is not necessarily true. The Knight could have simply swooned them off screen. You do not need to write about passing through a door to know that one was passed through between rooms. Much the same with an uber powerful character like the Knight.
>Appeared around the same time dess disappeared (black shards at the scene of the incident)
Also not known for a fact. This is deliberately written to seem odd to the up-to-this-point omniscient Ralsei. This is not simply new information, but questionable information. It begs the question of why it confused Ralsei.
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>>575718824
The knight was already waiting in the dark world by the time Kris and Susie entered
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>>575719081
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>>575718632
When is Poal coming back
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>>575717214
why is my boy so crusty
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If Carol is the caller that would mean she's Kris's primary co-conspirator and must know about (You)
However when you turn on the Dancing Santas, Carol tells specifically Kris to turn them off without even considering (You)
Carol also makes a normal phonecall on Weird Route as opposed to making a scary speakerphone call with the depths noise and if she were the co-conspirator trying to hide her involvement with Kris it would be extremely odd for her to make that call at all
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>>575719104
Okay, Kris.
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>>575719159
Oh yeah, I forgot about that.
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>>575719071
Yep. Taoreru means to collapse, not to fall off of something. That would be ochiru. Rudy collapsed, and this uses the same language as Undertale for the state a monster enters before death.
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dess ass
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>>575719220
>If Carol is the caller that would mean she's Kris's primary co-conspirator
Makes sense
>and must know about (You)
why?
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>>575718720
Dr Dr Gaster... is back.
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you want to have sex with tvs
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>>575718710
If in their minds the Knight's identity has already been revealed, why is Kris refusing to let us think about it later?
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>>575718858
kris couldn't prevent susie from getting the guitar. so the caller has to step in. if they just hung up
then kris might reasonably assume they still have to get the guitar away from susie, jeopardizing
their position. the caller telling kris they're coming is just telling kris to back off
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>>575718556
If the caller is someone else then you still have to explain what they were actually doing, how it would address their concern with Susie getting the guitar that they repeatedly talked about, why Carol came home in the middle of the day and her obviously suspicious behavior with Kris

>>575718858
Because Toby Fox is telling you that he's about to reveal who was on the phone. "I'll be right there" creates the expectation that the next character we see is the mystery person.
There's even a joke fake-out with Asgore showing up right beforehand, which throws off people who didn't find him first. And then Carol shows up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7x_hu4t4Y
This was Carol's introduction and the reveal of her role in the story. It's simple and straightforward and cannot reasonably be interpreted in any other way. Not everything is a fucking trick.
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>>575719203
Because he’s Krispychicken
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>>575719305
Because the caller talks about Kris needing SOUL. If the caller doesn't know about (You), why make a point about it?

>Kris, you need a heart to go into the next dark world. Don't forget your heart, Kris. Without the heart, you will not succeed.
>Thanks, Carol.

The only reason to mention the SOUL is because the caller knows Kris has reservations about it.
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>>575719203
oh hey berddude what was ur thoughts on chappy 5
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>>575719180
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>>575719446
Baked to perfection...
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>>575718770
Eh. I guess. The cat petterz thing reads as more of an honest misunderstanding and susie WAS a physical threat to at least one person, back when she was a good character in chapter 1.
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What if it's actually Asriel who molested Kris?
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>>575719280
In other words, Rudy is fucking dead, and so is Rudy Knight
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>>575719439
Don't bother, I've already talked with this specific guy a few days ago, and he's absolutely convinced it has to be some sort of a tripple fakeout, and you can't take Carol coming home early and grabbing the guitar at face value.

>Listen, maaaan, you need to open your mind to the possibilities, maaaan, just listen to the universe
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>>575719071
What do they use in the actual game
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>>575717869
It's not on Pawchive, GGs
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>>575719323
>If in their minds the Knight's identity has already been revealed
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>>575719314
yes i do. how did you know that???
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Stop saying Dess molested Kris.
Stop posting RK with her fat ass out
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If it's anything besides kriselleknight why do Kris and the knight make the same kind of darkness and Susie doesn't?
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>>575719510
Uh, shit, SOULs are kind of heart-shaped. Scratch that.

>Kris, you need your lungs to go into the next dark world. Don't forget your lungs, Kris. Without the lungs, you will not succeed.
>Thanks, Carol.

Kris does not need a reminder about taking the lungs to the dark world.
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>>575719540
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>>575719019
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>>575719771
Why does the knight make the same kind of darkness as Kris if it's Kriselle?
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>>575719759
the emerging theory is now asgore molested dess anon, keep up
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>>575709818
the kaibaposting made me imagine Carol pulling this up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v7cvPjaJcA
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What if Toby doesn't want the plot of deltarune to be as complicated as Undertale?
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this is racist
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What if anon molested anon… how’s that for a theory?
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>>575719823
Dude, we can be pissed off when it's him together.
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>>575719524
Here's a series of posts I made about it after I first played da chapter
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/571791686/#571796010
https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/571791686/#571796749
sorry for archiveposting I just don't want to retype it out lol
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>>575719624
Not convinced because apparently they don't use the same word for the coma state monsters enter in undertale which would be trivially easy to match for a person who wrote the fucking thing
Rudy collapsed, but is not in a coma
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>Undertale plot
>complicated
Okay enough fooling around guys can we start the serious conversations now?
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>>575719439
>Not everything is a fucking trick.
But then what about the fact Kris is still hiding it? If Toby isnt trying to trick us and has genuinely just revealed the Knight's identity in the open like that, why have Kris pretend later in the same chapter that it didnt happen, twice even? If the Knight is Carol, the jig is up theres no point anymore. The reveal isnt a trick yet at every turn it acts like it was
>If the caller is someone else then you still have to explain what they were actually doing
The Knight has the ability to influence and control people, this is why Alvin was digging up Gerson. Carol isnt the Knight, the Knight simply got in her head and made her believe that something was wrong at home so she would rush over
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>>575720069
>>575719071 literally proves that the terms are interchangeable
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Looking at the old fan designs of Carol, it's funny how absolutely off they were.
I wonder how different Dess will look.
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When Chapter 6 comes out so many people will act like Toby was out to hurt them personally because the reveals weren't "what they were supposed to be"
Will you be one of them
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ugh fuck it. im gonna do it. goat porn here i come
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I have a conspiracy theory about the reason Noel exists, basically it's because /utg/ is deeply homosexual but also repressed and so the lack of college Asriel got to their head
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Wait wait wait, I just realised something. Why the hell does Bratty say 'God' here? Am I missing something? Have undertale/deltarune characters ever said the word god before? I thought they only had the angel???
Erm, oversight toby???
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pink is the key to all of this
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>>575720234
That's referring to actual Rudy. NOT the term used in undertale
Both Rudys collapsed
But neither "fell down"
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>>575720254
Repressed???
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>>575720237
Nah. I can accept everything. Still hope I am right though so I can gloat.
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>>575720254
>conspiracy theory when it's the the truth
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>>575720257
a lot of people say "god", like asgore saying "my god! i shouldn't have molested dess!"
we dont know if its intentional or if the angel and god
one and the same
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>>575720237
(You) will know the pain and suffering only Kris-knighters feel.

Which is kind of funny now that I think about it, because Kris knighters were kind of vindicated. Kris is the Knight's strongest soldier and does 90% of the Knight's dirty work, so they were kind of right.
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>>575720257
They say it quite a lot actually. They also say damn and hell despite not believing in sin. Just don't think about it.
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>>575720328
No, it's from the alarm clock dialogue (fully canon and written by Toby Fox), describing how Undertale Rudy fell down, meaning it is describing "fell down" in the lore-specific Undertale sense
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>>575719562
oh shit and papyrus too behind a framed painting
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>>575717214
You have a burghly tulpa?
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>>575720580
Then why did they use TWO different Japanese words to refer to that ONE concept?
What did they use IN UNDERTALE?
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>>575720237
this >>575720406
There's never really been a plot revelation that has pissed me off. Closest was me rolling my eyes at the chara tease at the end of chapter 1 when it dropped
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>>575720478
This is how Kris Knight can still win
>THE KNIGHT WHICH MAKES WITH BLACKENED KNIFE.
>Kris makes like half the Dark Worlds
>SHALL DUEL WITH HEROES STRIFE BY STRIFE.
>Kris fought Susie once and will probably do that again later
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>>575719771
It's possible that dark fountains are influenced by intent just as much as they are influenced by the specific fountain opener. Susie opened her fountain with the specific intent of recreating the Dark Sanctuary, but was only able to create a warped version of it, the same way first level dark worlds are warped versions of the light world. Meanwhile Kris and The Knight are creating fountains with the same purpose in mind, which is why their dark worlds looks so similar
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Dess Knight being refuted might make me orgasm
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Why are Rudy and Sans the only characters at the Weird Route festival.
Like, why is Rudy there. Why him specifically?
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>>575720720
so we can see why rudy and asgore get along so well,
they both like saying vague shit
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>>575720257
People use "oh my God" (both capital and lowercase g) as a turn of phrase all the time in Undertale and Deltarune I don't think it means anything.
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>>575720478
I hated kris knighters so i will feel absolutely vindicated when papyrus removes the helmet
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>>575720582
cute, so that's where he's been!
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>>575720254
While this is true I feel chud Noel and femboy Noel have very different target audiences
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>>575720524
>despite not believing in sin
What the hell do you think is the point of that anyway? Like... why specify that the Angel's religion doesnt have a concept of sin and by extension, no true moral wrongdoing?
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>>575720875
meh
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>>575720257
rouxls and susie both say god damn
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI0R8g6n6KE
What tha hell
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Which do you prefer
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>>575720245
Godspeed black emperor
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>>575720709
How mad will you be when it's true? Will shit up the thread and mald about being wrong when Dess Knight is inevitably correct?
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>>575720640
Because Toby Fox is not infallible and because there is no such thing as direct translation with localizing to or from a language like Japanese
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So, how do we feel about Deltratraveler rebooting?
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>>575718748
Animator vs Animation!
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>>575721064
kek
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>>575720862
>Having sex with Nelly while he's shedding
>Pull on his antlers
>One of them comes off and blood is everywhere
>The atmosphere immediately becomes very awkward and Noel keeps reassuring you that it's okay and it's something normal that happens and no he isn't going to die until you just give up and cuddle with him on the bed
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i accidentally entered /drg/ instead of /utg/ and spent quite a few minutes wondering why the thread absolutely sucked today. what a nightmare!
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>>575721129
If Dess Knight by some miracle is proven true I will probably start posting shit like "Dess Knight bros.. We fucking won!" maybe followed by "x knightcels, how will we recover!?" because I amuse myself like that.
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Pre-Undertale, Asriel was planned to be the Knight.
Dess was created because Toby didn't want to repeat the twist with Asriel.
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>>575721025
Tasque Manager has not been wearing shoes since chapter 2
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>>575721401
Giwtwm
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>>575721429
welcome back
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>>575721503
Maybe she has different shoes like how she different clothes?
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Fact: Susie has seen Star Wars Episode 2, Star Wars Episode 3 and a lot of the Clone Wars TV show but no other Star Wars media
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>>575721091
both are good but left makes me happier when it's as on model as possible
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>>575721207
I feel like if I invented a concept and gave it a special name I wouldn't stop using that for one specific character for no reason and then carry it forward AGAIN for that exact same character
Not convinced. If that's the answer, then whatever. But not convinced yet.
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>>575721064
It has been five years since Joe left the show...
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Fact: Susie loves the Kingdom Hearts series.
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I still haven't forgiven Toby Fox for being a massive coward and have Toriel sleep through all of chapter 3
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The Japanese word for “fallen down” used in-game is “ugokanakunatta,” or “became unable to move.”
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>>575721718
me too susie
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I am starting to believe that good routers will win the susiebowl.
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>>575721719
MY CHILD I WILL FIREGRAVES UNDYNE
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>>575721719
What's up with Tenna worrying about her waking up? Why does he keep saying she'll be in danger?
At first I've thought it's because adults can't be in the dark worlds, but then we immediately get Undyne, and now Asgore.
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>>575721719
well how else was she going to pilot the magical evil nightmare knight
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https://litter.catbox.moe/t3l3p1tqqpa3kir3.jpg
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>>575721719
"I won't forgive toby for making a different game than what I thought"
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>>575721929
based
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I still don't like that Asgore is a retarded temper tantrum throwing bumblefuck
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>>575721797
Doesn't matter because the alarm clock dialogue uses a different term for the same concept, so it means both are equally valid
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>>575721797
thank you scholar anon for the clarification
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>HEY HEY HEY! I'VE NEVER SEEN A [HeartShapedObject] LIKE THAT BEFORE!!
>MY EYES ARE [[Burning]] LIKE [[DVDs of ANY movie at Half-pr1ce!]]
>But you, my dear? I see a story lit up in your eyes...
>Burnin' bright... Burnin' black. Burnin' up everything.
>Here, the sunset shines from the back of your eyes, like the afterglow of a light you stared at too long.
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>>575722009
he always was. his rotten personality is just slightly lower stakes in DR than it is in UT.
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i like the idea of pinks body being a horny ass rapist while she herself is a bit of a prude
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>>575722009
Toriel didn't like that either which is why she left him.
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>>575721929
I don’t understand, why is the smaller penis being inserted? This is metaphysically impossible.
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>>575719862
Because the knight would still have kris's soul. All the dark worlds we've been to have been based on the games Kris and Noelle played as children, they share the similar dreams both apart and together
>>575720667
I don't necessarily disagree with this reading but I feel like it requires to assume more than "certain people make certain kinds of darkness." Even then why would even Dess know the play pretend games of Noelle and Kris that intimately?
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>>575722119
ERAM MY GOAT
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>>575722185
i can tell you've never been topped by a 3-incher.
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>>575722269
how was it
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what is the evidence that spamton is a FtM trans?
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https://litter.catbox.moe/xxxxntgbty24c4e8.mp4
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>>575722207
>why would even Dess know the play pretend games of Noelle and Kris that intimately
They were Dess and Kris's pretend games. If they were Noelle's she would've understood who Queen was and brought it up in Chapter 2.
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>>575721930
>oh fuck I have to actually think how adults would handle the dark world
>Ok nevermind Toriel will just sleep
>And Asgore gets kidnapped, and no one will care he is gone
>same how no one cares Undyne is gone
>same how no one cares Berdly randomly dies
>its so easy to be a writer if nothing has consequences
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>>575722017
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>>575722315
There’s too much to summarize
https://youtu.be/Dwd12r8kuro
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>>575721884
Even the Knight didn't want her to wake up,
considering it used the slow ass tractor beam for her
but the good old bird special for everyone else
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>>575722119
eram relevance is a theory like gravity
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>>575722315
its self evident
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>>575722315
Eggs
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I also
Like small penis
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>>575722119
I'm absolutely certain none of that means anything just like most of the words most of the characters say
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>>575722295
pretty good!
>>575722315
it's just one interpretation of NEO as allegory.
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>>575722119
This is why ERAM is actually the good guy because it just wants to reawaken Kris's passion and willingness to forge their own path
It also just happens to be The Joker and for Kris to become The Joker
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Toriel couldn't wake up because her massive tits and ass would transform into atom bombs in the Dark World
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>>575722119
this is because staring at bideo games too long fries your retinas
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>>575722358
>>same how no one cares Undyne is gone
why is carol investigating the bunker all of a sudden, where undyne was kidnapped to?
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>>575722316
this song makes me tear up every time
bye bye forgotten man I'll never forget you...
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Weirdo swapapyrus fucker here I'm working on more art, I want the next piece to be more dialogue heavy, I had had a pretty cool dream that inspired me
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>>575722315
Unironically this video >>575722424
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>>575722315
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There's no food or cooking equipment in Asgore's house but he clearly isn't starving which means he subsists entirely on takeout. No wonder he's broke.
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>>575722137
The ghost is a shy kissless neet with 0 self worth and the body is a hormoned up schoolgirl with Maddie's shadow crystal stuck up her vagina, so of course.
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https://litter.catbox.moe/u4l54qs8io1ibduq.jpg
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Mettaton paizuri
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>>575722137
this is why she was happy to let her body date kris, kris can get raped by mew mew, he's already used to being the raped
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>>575722668
He's living off leftovers that Carol gives him.
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>>575722424
>>575722630
okay, that's actually more than i thought. huh!
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>>575722529
Becoming jokerfied is a crucial step in any young teenagers development
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>>575722630
>
What's the full image like
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>>575722940
https://files.catbox.moe/48ha63.png
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>>575719814
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>>575722585
>all of a sudden
ah ah AHHHHH
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lancer really has been forgotten after chapter 3 lmao
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>>575709910
or the underground cables are inside the sewer dark world
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>>575722739
Are you implying Mettaton with Boobs or some sort of onahole fitted into his chestplate
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>>575722668
He's literally a fucking gardener he likely grows his own food too
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>>575723080
Mandatory main route interaction in Chapter 5.
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>>575722630
this is just interpreting identity issues and selfhood as specifically trans related
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>>575723128
Wouldn't you like to know
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>>575723205
"We must not suffer a negro cat to live" - Pink Deltarune, Chapter 5.
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>>575722357
>They were Dess and Kris's pretend games
They were Kris and noelle's, if you give tenna to Mettaton in chapter 5 she'll wish to herself that Kris kept their TV "just in case."
>If they were Noelle's she would've understood who Queen was and brought it up in Chapter 2
Why would she? Susie doesn't even realize that lancer is a playing card despite knowing you brought all that stuff over from the other room. Queen is also incredibly generic for a name and also this is all real and happening in the moment I doubt the first thing on her mind was "hmm wait didn't I used to call the laptop queen when me and Kris played games?"
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what was your favorite thing about the fandom before the release of chapter 2?
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>>575723275
The dress is a smoking gun
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>>575722315
heres ur proof. it was before he troonsistioned
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>>575723067
the monthy bunker inspection lines up with undynes kidnapping period, what a coincidence
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>>575723080
I will never let go of the fact Susie doesnt have a single acknowledgement of Lancer being a statue again chapter 3 after what happened in chapter 2. Not even a basic text box of her looking down portrait with "...", the gears in her head just continue to not turn. He was set up as Susie's true darkner friend, the one guy she truly cared about, even in chapter 1 she wants to say goodbye to him specifically if you try refusing the goodbye segment, and now he may as well not exist
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>>575718091
i'll never forgive asgore
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>>575710541
cute
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>>575723080
He's busy preparing for the failed mascot spin off game
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>>575723483
It really isn't for the reasons I already said
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>>575723510
what.
why.
how.
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>>575709818
https://files.catbox.moe/y2ppqc.mp4
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>>575723471
Lancerposting
Jevilposting
The new era of Gasterposting.
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God, I missed frisk. they were a good vessel. they didn't have all these "opinions" or "motivations", they just did what I told them.
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>>575723510
ANON GET DOWN
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>>575723058
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>>575723331
>she'll wish to herself that Kris kept their TV "just in case."
This is extremely vague. If she said Tenna at all i'd be convinced but as it is this isn't proof either way.
Queen might be generic but Queen isn't the only character, how would she not recognize any of the other characters like the plugboys that she would've created with Kris too? You can't say her memory is just bad because she talks about her history with Kris, Dess and Asriel in the chapter. If they were her and Kris's there would've been a line of dialogue about it reminding her of their pretend worlds rather than saying that it reminds her of Dess promising to take her to a city, linking the Dark World closer with Dess.
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>>575723675
The lion put on the dress and now is a woman. Spamton refuses to go into the dress mannequin and lays eggs.
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will you be ready to be disappointed by the ending?
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>>575722424
Havent watched the videos but ive seen the timestamps
>mettaton/mew mew
Thematic parallels. Spamton’s transition is from nobody to big shot, which is what the game is criticizing.
>eggs
Reference to Death of a Salesman where the washed out insane salesman main character plants seeds. Also connected to gaster eggs apparently.
>voice pitch
Toby is a shit coder he definitely just did that change because its easy. Ralsei also has a soft voice and
Oh wait a second
Spamton makes more sense as a mediocre man who feels effeminate due to his insecurity and manlet status. More of a looksmaxxer or crypto bro paralell. Of course I call those people mtm transgenders anyways. But sure I can see the point about the ftm interpretation
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>go on bluesky ONLY USING IT BECAUSE TWITTER IS BEING A FAGGOT AND WON'T LET ME USE IT UNLESS I DOWNLOAD THEIR APP AND GIVE THEM BIOMETRIC DATA WHICH I AM NOT GOING TO DO
>discovery feed is finally showing me things i want to see like deltarune fanart
>hey this guy has a good artstyle
>notice he really likes drawing mizzles and ralsei
i think i understand "the ick" now.
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Spamton isn't FTM he's MLM
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>Spamtennafags keep forcing trans Spamton meme
>Toby starts hating Spamtenna and makes Kingtenna the new main Tenna ship
Just as planned
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>>575723872
cute
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>normal route
>weird route
>aborted weird route
>twisted sword route


>duuude toby is totally being honest, only 1 ending only 1 ending!!!!!!
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>>575723879
spamton doesn't want to be forced back into a lifeless puppet body after his entire character arc about wanting freedom and autonomy? clearly this has to do with pussy! the fantasy spam email program in the surreal world full of object creatures and magic creates eggs? clearly this is evidence of pussy!
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>>575723997
>man-loving-marketing
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I love spamton so much. Whatever he has down there I’ll play with it
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>>575724023
The new Tenna ship will be Mettatenna trust ze plan.
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>abortion route
>root route
>e-clout route
>UNDERTALE route
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>>575723836
Frisk wouldn't drink the yummy soda... Even in Undertale I am BETRAYED
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>>575724223
That's just more trannyshit so what's the point also Toby like Mettapants
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>>575724217
It's a small cash drawer that makes a cha-ching sound
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>>575724304
he likes it for the worker-boss dynamic since hes a rapist
no such dynamic exists between them in dt
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AmalgaKnightCHADS: 1
DessKnightTRANNIES: -1000000000000
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>>575724352
>try to finger him
>the draw snaps shut and takes your fingers with it
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kris you're my nigga mew~
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I just had a foreign man come up to my front door and try to sell me hello fresh I didn't know people did that anymore
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>>575724023
But spamton lays eggs and "he" 's "male"
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>>575723920
Just watch the video I’m not explaining it to you
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Please have tranny discussions about characters that I don't like instead. Better yet, don't have them at all.
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spamton isn't male or female
he's email
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>>575724458
this is why you never answer the door ever
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>>575724552
are any of the characters you don't like sexy women who would be improved with a phallus
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>>575723943
Lol u r gay
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>>575724442
He will find a way to sell them later too
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i love my boy ralsei
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When Flowery misgendered Ralsei. Ralsei should have started jumping up and down crying about how Flowery is a misandrist and and how he is a boy
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>>575724460
>>575724183
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I miss MatPat because if he made a new Deltarune theory he definitely would've used Battat as his avatar and it would've been funny
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>>575724552
Go to your containment thread
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>>575723842
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Oh fangamer
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you know guys I think there are probably bigger things to take away from characters than how juicy their pussies may or may not be
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>>575724849
I just frowned and nodded my head at this
Yeah man
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>>575724920
wanna talk about dess's ass?
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>>575724843
she's just like me for real!
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>>575724890
I went to /drg/ once and they actually talked about the videogame.

conclusion: faggot self-insertion kills game discussion.
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>>575724920
Like how thick they're cocks are
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>>575724552
Let's talk about how ORANGE is a stupid idiot baby BOY RAT larping as a GIRL HUMAN
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Kris is a Cat trying to act like a Dog
Kris is a Joker trying to act like a Batman
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>>575724726
ralsei is a she, doesn’t belong to you, and would never be yours because you don’t respect her choice to transition
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>>575724920
I dont know about that
https://static1.e621.net/data/01/7b/017bc7e8bc564f64cbffb979f4c07736.gif
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Kris is trans
Ralsei is trans
Noelle is trans
Spamton is trans
Mettaton is trans
Pink is trans
Tenna is a hermaphrodite
Battat is cuntboy
Flowery is a cuntboy
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>>575724919
perfect fucking timing LMAOO add this to your little chart >>575722630
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>>575724920
I think you're right. It's now juicy their pussies are AND how and who they molested (Like when Dess forced her incredibly juicy pussy on Kris). Good catch, anon!
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>>575723846
>If she said Tenna at all i'd be convinced but as it is this isn't proof either way
Okay but what does "just in case" mean? What was Noelle reminiscing over and wishing to do with Kris again? If it was just watch TV she'd "well I guess they'll have to come over" or something, but she specially is gonna miss the TV that is Tenna
>>575723846
>how would she not recognize any of the other characters like the plugboys that she would've created with Kris too?
You're assuming that everything in the dark worlds is a fully realized character that they had to have had visual preconceptions of beyond pretending they were people. Not connecting the fantastical and unbelievable world you see in front of you to childhood games is very different than reminiscing about memories about real things that happened. She's preoccupied with getting away from queen and nobody goes around saying "omg hi Noelle remember me?"
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>>575725067
Ralsei is FTM actually.
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>>575724183
spamton is a hermaphrodite
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>>575725073
wtf am I straight
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>>575724920
Yeah like how large Ralsei's cock is and how many female orgasms it can cause when he gets forcefully eneloped
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>I'm Telling!
>Stop, Criminell!
>Who might you be?
>Loving Steps
Which of the flower motif themes do you like the most?
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Why do chuds get actually offended by gender discussion like they’re being physically attacked. Like we could just disagree about this but you’re so weird about it
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>>575725089
I don't agree with any of that but hey I'm really down for Battat cuntboy
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What the fuck is happening
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>>575725162
phew thats way better
idgaf bout this culture war thing i just need him to be a dude cause hes way hotter like that
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>>575724919
Am I just fucking retarded, what is that outfit he's wearing? I dont see that on the site and obviously its not in the actual game
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>>575724919
ralsei status: saved
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>>575725023
Do you think Dess has pearly penile papules and is she girthier than her mother
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https://x.com/i/status/2082378464699539478

Im not sharing this for any particular reason I just wanna play with his body hair cus its seksy
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i love my boyfriend
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>>575725073
Soozie boob smell
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>>575724919
>cloak
>sword
Ralsei is the fucking girl oh my fucking god
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>>575725190
..What do you mean anon?
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TO SAVE THE WORLDS THERE IS ONLY ONE WAY
THE CAGE'S BOOBS MUST BALLOON BY TUESDAY
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>>575725372
Please never post again
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>>575725274
All Pippins are cuntboys a except Fujo who is a girl with a pussy, the regular red ones can grow a dick too but Battat is defective and can’t
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>>575725372
you dihsgust me
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>>575725372
Women should have body hair like this and maybe additionally a penis
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>>575725465
They aren't THAT big.
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>>575725348
I think she has a uncut hog and that her mother doesn't have a cock but they have a downlow investous relationship
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cats won
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>>575725089
the player is trans
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>>575725217
The theme that plays during the Hyper Justice Gun miniboss
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>>575725293
it's a generic accessory for any plush https://www.fangamer.com/collections/plushes/products/plush-power-up-pack-adventure
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>>575724207
i'd like to cream her cookies if ya know what i mean
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>>575725578
>her mother doesn't have a cock
I thought I knew you...
but we were strangers after all... huh...
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>>575725513
actually, they should be smooth and hairless with the exception of massive well-kept pubes. call me moses the way the bush speaks to me.
>>575725578
correct!
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>>575724919
>>575725432
>HIS
WTF FANGAMER
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>>575725465
In this reality, the soul is foreverily squished between her juicy breasts
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Oh my god you absolute morons, Darkners don't have genitals. They don't have sex at all. They're not real, they don't exist beyond the 2nd dimension.
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>>575724932
uuu
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>>575725089
I forgot that Susie is futa
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>>575725131
My reading of the "just in case" is that she's thinking "just in case Dess comes back" and she's feeling nostalgic about going round Kris's house and watching the TV as a group.
>You're assuming that everything in the dark worlds is a fully realized character that they had to have had visual preconceptions of beyond pretending they were people.
No I just think that if she created this pretend world with Kris she'd at least recognize the personalities of the characters she created with them even if she didn't recognize them visually.
Which I think is a weak argument anyway because you're telling me Kris and the person he made the pretend worlds with never drew the characters or visualized them?
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>>575725724
queen can canonically give birth
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>>575725217
>Who might you be?
The Classic
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>>575724726
we also love your boy
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>>575725724
unlike the lightners and man do I want to gobble on Undyne's 2 foot lobster roll
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>>575725715
It checks because Ralsei is a clopen in-between gender and currently uses he/they pronouns.
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>>575725089
i support susiecidal ideations.
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>>575725553
Yet
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>>575725494
*Takes a bite* Hmmf mm wait wait yo guys what this guy's cooking over here is really good *munch munch*
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>>575724460
it is a game with monsters bro
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>>575725682
What are you insinuating
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>>575725465
huge tits kris is only acceptable when she's hiding them and someone forcibly exposes them
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>>575725293
>hmmm why are they making a costume where Ralsei dresses up as a hero with a sword and shield like Kris?
we may never know
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA9uy3KdeEU
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>>575725754
my favorite duo!
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>>575725596
As usual!
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Toby’s obviously a fan of Silent Hill (the whole dog controls everything thing) but he hasn’t made a kino alt rock or industrial rock or creepy atmospheric Silent Hill-ass song yet
Why
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>>575725914
Carol deserves a penis too, okay? Even if she can't get it up anymore...
I'm sick of old woman penis erasure...
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>>575725808
Printer birth isn't real birth
>>575725879
Undyne is a fish and many fish are hermaphroditic
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>>575721401
Nelly love
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>>575725929
Kris's huge nonbinary amab boobs...
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>>575726063
hag cock...
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>>575726063
Go draw carolcock you're self if you want it so bad, dess is my ballpark here. Y'hear?
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>>575726063
She has a PUSSY and it tastes like PINE TREE
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>thread splits
>/utg/ becomes completely unusable
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>>575725940
I was more concerned with the thought it might be some ai generated advert because that outfit isnt in Deltarune
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>>575726030
>creepy atmospheric
Glaceir?
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>>575726030
he doesn't have the same musical baggage as Yamaoka
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>>575726161
i have no idea what amab means.
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>>575726319
Assigned moid at birth
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>>575726161
Horrendous image
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>>575724789
>"Got it, Princess?"
>"..."
>"...Raly?"
>*sigh*
>"I... You know what, forget it."
>Ralsei stands up and silently walks away
>"...Aw, that's so you, little guy. See you around!"
>"..."
>"S-see you around, Raly!"
>later
>"So you finally made it. The Fountain is~"
>"Where's Raly?"
>"Oh, he's uh... He said he wanted to, you know, hang back."
>"Oh."
>"It's no problem, I'll call him over~ Hey Rals, it's Fl~ ...Um, I don't think he sees you, he turned away."
>"Just... let's do this, it's okay."
>during the battle, Ralsei hovers a little further away from Flowery than the rest
>Flowery spams twice as many catchphases as he normally would, with them overlapping sometimes, and speedruns his own dialogue
>the other flowers are a little confused at why he seems to just wanna get the whole thing over with
>the battle eventually just ends in a very stilted draw
>the Knight shows up swinging but reads the room instantly and awkwardly shuffles off with Asgore
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>>575726263
go to /drg/ then, silly!
>>575726319
"assigned male at birth", it can be useful in medical contexts, but not really elsewhere.
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>>575726263
It's not really a split. The other thread has been up for over 48 hours.
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>>575726319
All Macedonians are bastards
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>>575725953
my favorite aqua!
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>>575726409
>it can be useful in medical contexts, but not really elsewhere.
you don't really think that
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goodnight utg, i am going to bed now, cya
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>>575726319
it means you're male
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>>575726237
Maybe I will! Maybe I'll draw Carolcock and jingle balls that blows Desscock out of the water! Huh?! How about that?!
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Why is Susie mentally disabled?
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>>575726382
oh. ok. i'm not really into fetishizing transgenders but i like most things kris
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>>575725793
>My reading of the "just in case" is that she's thinking "just in case Dess comes back"
I imagine Noelle has bigger investments in dess coming back than "oh boy my now adult sister and neighbor will play pretend again." It makes way more sense to feel that sentimentality towards something she personally partook in
>No I just think that if she created this pretend world with Kris she'd at least recognize the personalities of the characters she created with them even if she didn't recognize them visually
Again she had bigger priorities in the bizarre and dangerous world she woke up in than "hmm let me analyze the personalities of these weird gremlins." On any given day why would she thinking about childhood games she played 7+ years ago enough that she'd recognize them at glance
>you're telling me Kris and the person he made the pretend worlds with never drew the characters or visualized them?
Not necessarily no. Either way, it's all real to Noelle in the moment and she doesn't know how dark worlds work. She doesn't even know she's still in the library, it would be a huge leap for her to go "wait a second you're the laptop my family donated to the library!"
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>>575726489
bestest friends forever!
>>575726493
i do!
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>>575724919
well duh he is a fucking boy
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>>575726085
He looks like a loser
Rape
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>Yellow is suicidal
>GLACEIR is a slowed down version of the Yellow Soul theme from Your Best Nightmare
>we drown ourselves in Chapter 5 in order to continue the Weird Route
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>>575726030
If Toby's so great how come there's no secret guitar solo to Susie's theme that was only in an E3 trailer and didn't have a clean version until over 20 years later
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how much is too much?
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>>575726547
Because otherwise the story wouldve actually gone somewhere by now on normal route
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>>575726547
why aren't you
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>>575726547
>Why is Susie a modern philosopher?
Because she asks the important questions anon
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>>575724919
Still not pushing him
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>>575726546
Iffff you do I'd probably like it.
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How come Queen didnt recognize Kris at all when they used to play with her at the Dreemurr house. Like she had their internet search history and still didnt put 2 and 2 together.
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>>575726768
Fake
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>>575726768
That thing is worth three nickels and a side of fries
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>>575726768
Do you live in Iran or something?
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Why do so many people want to rape Kris and Noelle?
>DESS RAPED KRIS
>KRIS RAPED NOELLE
>NOELLE RAPED KRIS
what's going on?
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>>575726753
>>we drown ourselves in Chapter 5 in order to finish the Weird Route
Ftfy, "used up" means "used up."
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>>575726842
King and Queen are communal objects so Kris is just one Lightner out of many for them
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>>575726768
>Shipping septuples the price
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>>575726865
Pedophile fan base please understand
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>>575725401
we also love your boyfriend
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>>575726768
My shipping was like 5 bucks where the fuck do you live
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>>575726803
Susie is a literal Philosoraptor
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LOL
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RETURN OF THE KING
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>>575726842
She Just Didnt Care LMAO, He Played With That Old Socket More Anyway
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>>575723331
>if you give tenna to Mettaton in chapter 5 she'll wish to herself that Kris kept their TV "just in case."
Because that's part of Noelle's personality
>Oh yeah. How about one of your 99 Blaze Potions?
>Umm, I'm saving those?
>For what? Your birthday? C'mon, live a little!
She has the same hangups as her mom about preserving things, that's why she has ice magic
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>>575724540
Only if i need to
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man, i should probably go back to playing the piano.
HOWEVER.
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>>575726865
If you don't understand why I don't think you belong here tbdesu
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>>575726772
I mean, yes and no? Never forget that it's easy to think characters are stupid when we the audience have more information than them. I'm sure if we controlled Susie the fandom would be evenly spit on whether Kris opened the fountains or not and there would be anons calling anyone who believes that a retard.
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>>575727015
>>575726852
LATAM
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>>575722424
Reminder that getting violent with some characters is the objectively correct thing to do
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>>575726382
I want to trap a gallon of cum in their cleavage
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>>575727034
i need this redrawn with susie.
>>575727125
you should! i ought to learn at some point. the only instrument i play is clarinet.
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>>575726591
>I imagine Noelle has bigger investments in dess coming back than "oh boy my now adult sister and neighbor will play pretend again." It makes way more sense to feel that sentimentality towards something she personally partook in
Yes, she's feeling nostalgic for watching the TV as a group and not Dess and Kris playing pretend. The TV matters because it's the same one from when Dess was around, it's a preservation thing. The same way Carol keeps Dess's room the same. A part of her wants to pretend that if Dess came back things could just go back to the way things were and Kris giving up the TV means letting go of that a bit.
>On any given day why would she thinking about childhood games she played 7+ years ago enough that she'd recognize them at glance
I could buy this if she didn't have a whole section where she reminisces about being a child in the chapter.
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>>575726995
>pedophiles love deltarune
>troons love deltarune
>'jakkers love deltarune though they would never admit it and risk losing izzat with the other kids in their class
>kiwis love deltarune
bizarre fanbase diversity
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>>575726962
>King and Queen are communal objects
l-lewd!
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if you want to know how toby sees spamton then look at the actor he keeps hiring to portray him at live events
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>>575727315
those first two are the same demographic
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>>575727241
If you take semen into the dark world I wonder if it becomes a darkner/lightner hybrid
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>>575727226
I refuse to believe shipping to latin america costs that much.
they ship blacks that misplace their passport there all the time for free
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>>575727315
those four are the same demographic if we're being honest
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>>575727394
exceptionally cute ralsei!!!
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>>575727382
FtMs are pedos?
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>>575727382
I dont think all the people jacking off over the minor characters and Dess molestation and Aqua are trannies. Otherwise this general would think trannies are bases.
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>>575727394
Each load becomes a mini (you)
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>>575727370
Wayne lays eggs... Canon...
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>>575719771
>>575720667

Here's what I think
Noelle post WR (or post normal route as well) is the Angel, and she ends up in Gaster's lab space taking over from Gaster. Maybe even shattering him in the first place. It's her game, what we think is the "original prophecy" is Noelle's

Gaster brings in us and introduces a new variable (Susie) into Deltarune to try and fix this
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>>575727495
Whenever trannies are brought up nobody is talking about FtMs, only MtFs. FtMs irl are very stealth
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>>575727394
it functions the same way with dustners except like billions of them.
The only way to avoid overpopulation is to pump it inside of tight hole or receptacle before making the fountain
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new bread now
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>>575727315
It’s almost like Toby’s games are good and naturally appeal to a ton of different subgroups of nerds at once.
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>>575727091
Yes but WHAT is she preserving? What about that TV is worth preserving to her? Hording items in a video game is typical gamer behavior. You preserve real world objects for sentimentality (unless you're a hoarder) so what sentiment does Tenna have to Noelle? She can't care about watching television in grainy 240i that much right?
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why do trannies want to claim a character thats genuinely a bad person
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Also yeah, Susie is Gaster's daughter (probably spiritually not biologically) she was inserted into the game to make the New Future. (see s_neo.mp3)

That's why her dark world contains the GALLERY (which is all Halloween Hack and Earthbound references), the first access to the Egg Room, and the Winglade and Wicabel (wing and ding) darkners
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boy and doll
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>>575727668
There is not a good person in deltarune
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>>575727668
trannies want to claim anything they can to force you to think about and care about them
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>>575727668
He's literally cute
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>>575727535
>he doesn't know
https://xcancel.com/furrypawsilon/status/2082319945170383345
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>>575727819
hes fine with enabling children being sexually assaulted
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>>575727668
Nobody is “claiming” Spamton what kind of weird tribalistic thinking is this? Like do you imagine yourself fighting a literal culture war where Deltarune characters are the disputed territory? Are we playing Capture the Spamton?
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>>575727761
>Wing and ding
Oh my god it's the first time I know of this
I can't unsee it now
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>>575727159
I am aware that sometimes, as a writer, you need to make characters just ignore convenient info or solutions so that the plot doesnt end instantly.
But you do remember we're talking about Susie yes? The girl who unironically writes at a 3rd grade level at best and has trouble with pic rel? She is undeniably actually straight up retarded, she cant do anything without the plot allowing it. She cant memorize 4-8 fucking numbers arranged like a date. She had to be told where one of the codes were b the guy who already had it, and NOT to tell Kris because she absolutely wouldve. Anyone who thinks she's only pretending to be stupid when dismissing Kris as a potential fountain opener in Chapter 5 doesnt realize this has been a pattern since Chapter 1. She's not pretending, she's genuinely stupid purely so the only protagonist not involved with helping the bad guys cant actually do anything to break status quo early. This is way further than any story should go with this method of plot progression
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>>575727424
nta but shit's just like that. although the shipping price goes down to like $20 if you use a freight forwarder service. it's still as much as the price of the damn keychain it's never worth it.
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>>575727837
OH NONONO DESS XISTERS WHAT ARE WE GOIN' TO DO
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>>575727313
>Yes, she's feeling nostalgic for watching the TV as a group and not Dess and Kris playing pretend
Okay why would she care about that specific tv then? She would say "oh well we could always get a new TV to all watch together" if that was that case or go "well we'll have to watch at our place when Dess gets home." There is a specific sentimentality for THAT TV, not watching TV as a group.
>I could buy this if she didn't have a whole section where she reminisces about being a child in the chapter.
Idk how best to explain to you the difference in relevance that actual real world events that happened and playing pretend with your weird friend would have in ones memories.
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>>575727837
What does the word all mean
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>>575727297
you shut your mouth, the clarinet is a valid instrument and you can play bonetrousle on it.
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Will the next update fix the games or will it be forever broken?
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>>575727860
God forbid puppets do anything
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>>575727394
it becomes a jizzle
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>>575727668
you could say this about any demographic. people just love a real scumbag character!
>>575727837
1. you're telling me you wouldn't do the same?
2. you're exposing yourself as a twitter user with a terrible algo.
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>why do trannies want to claim a character thats genuinely a bad person
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>>575727667
>so what sentiment does Tenna have to Noelle
Watching it during the holidays with both families happily as shown in the flashback in Chapter 3 before everything went wrong.
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This place is a stinking cesspool full of screeching autistic manchildren but your average /v/ thread is somehow even worse
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>>575728070
>>575728070
>>575728070
Hop on
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>>575721503
I wonder what her feet look like.

for massaging
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>>575728059
of every character in dt spamton is the most morally reprehensible outside of erma
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>>575727995
Get to carol drawing, carol drawer.
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>>575728097
/v/ is worse because they're actual children and not manchildren
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>>575728171
and?
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>>575728171
Are you like a time traveler who just got here from 2015 yourfaveisproblematic era tumblr
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>>575727761
>Susie is Gaster's daughter
Where is that coming from?
>GALLERY (which is all Halloween Hack and Earthbound references)
Was it?
>Winglade and Wicabel (wing and ding) darkners
oh no
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>>575728209
i have not drawn a single carol
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>>575727837
I love tranny pedophiles so much fuck rub it on me next you morally bankrupt bitch
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>>575727948
I think in-universe the puzzles are really difficult considering even Berdly struggles on that light puzzle and he's considered as smart as Noelle. we are basically a 4th dimensional being to them so Toby probably had to adjust the difficulty like that.
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>>575728290
Your post gave me an erection
Stop that
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>>575727313
Also she DOES recognize Spamton's glasses probably because she used to get spam emails from him (or spam emails that were him) so it's weird that she can't make any connection between falling asleep in the library with a laptop she used to take home and pretend was a character named Queen, and Queen calling herself a laptop. Even after having a full day to ruminate on the whole dream experience, she doesn't make any connection between the two when talking to Susie.
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>>575727976
>Idk how best to explain to you the difference in relevance that actual real world events that happened and playing pretend with your weird friend would have in ones memories.
I can remember both pretty well but maybe i'm just an outlier and that's shading my interpretation of events.
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>>575728545
How
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>>575727837
There are two types of trannies. The overly safe ones, and then the other type which are just AGPs that are into lolicon and feral and whatnot.
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>>575728692
I would like it if that would happen to me
Ergo, erected
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>has multiple katanas and snowflakes on her wall
>main thing so far is calling people on phones
>specifically knew to call Noelle away from the group so Kris could open the fountain
>butts heads the most with Susie in the light world and it carries over to dark world with how Susie is directly confrontational
How is there any doubt the Knight is Carol at this point like what
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>>575728275
https://youtu.be/IPScnLJ-w6k?t=7702



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