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I like this guy's suzer
Thank you Toby Fox for confirming that Asriel Dreemurr is heterosexual
>>576163978These are pretty cute expressionsMy favorite is probably this one
ralsei butt
>>576164137Dess has a penis
do you think toby has everything planned out
hey guys!
>>576164137tony gave 2 separate confirmations that those 2 were a thing.like come oonnn, confirm something that actually matters, i dont care about this hetslop
I think the new mooch is cuter
I love fish
going to sans’ wawa what should i get
>>576163978Suzy is so hot
>>576164517
>>576164560fat
>>576164137If Asriel was heterosexual for having sex with Kris when they were a girl, are they gay now that Kris is transitioning into a man?
>>576164657Toby designed Deltarune with the nosy people in mind and those same people seethe about it but it's also led to one of the most dedicated fanbases so I can't say it was the wrong choice.
IF SOME SOUL GOT OFF THEIR FAT FUCKING VESSEL
This is me btw if you even care.
>>576164657>leaks it immediately anywayTry encrypting it you retard
>>576163927
How would you guys react if Fave doxed you?
>>576164860Can maddie start kissing me while pink kisses kris or something
>>576164860
>>576164948Kek, cute stuff
>>576164973I'd be happy for the attention and I'd post my penis on /utg/
Guys, I really don't think we're going to use the vessel The Pink Boss fight seems to be really against that
>>576164973
>>576164948You posted this 2 months ago
>>576144014>>”My Sharona” is about a grown man trying to contain his lust for a teen girlAnon I don't think it's Flowery he was lusting over. This is what the writer had to say about the inspiration for the song
>>576165074The way you draw Susie is great.
>>576164693tenna…
>>576164860>>576164991Why is the SOUL such a rapist?
>>576165137Asgore groomed Dess on amino??
>>576165074good susie good elly very good
I dislike Kralsei and Ralsusie because Ralsei literally knows only 2 people and doesnt even try to connect with other Darkners. I dont like stories where its someone falling in love with the first person they ever met.
>>576165074Haha classic Noelle!
>>576165074Noelle, cool it with that, nobody cares about your dead sister.
>>576165292> I dont like stories where its someone falling in love with the first person they ever met.Okay Jimmy Olsen from My Adventures with Superman
>>576165074idk if what she said in her thoughts would be any better really
>>576165371Holy mother of kek
Am I going crazy? I keep telling people the forgotten man is Korbin from the Ruins shop in Undertale. He's the only merchant that sells and egg of course it's fucking him. Why does nobody talk about Korbin?
>>576165095It's impossible, I made it now
>>576165137>>576165271Funny how Asgore killing 6+ children is forgiven but not grooming 1 (one) teen.
The more time passes the more I'm convinced Chapter 3 is Toby's greatest stand-alone creation (along with Undertale)
Moery!
>>576165271No he weirdrouted her or something. There's like a whole theory about it made by a disturbed person who really wants Asgore to be a pedophile because they can't see Blue as another Toriel parallel in relation to Yellow's Asgoreness
>>576165445GASTER THIS GONER HAS BROKEN CONTAINMENT GET HIS ASS
>>576165445are you stupid? if you remember who he is he can't be forgotten
I find the morality theme in Undertale a bit meh because it's kinda spineless, instead of a serious consideration of what is right and wrong in this situation, the game just pulls a bunch of flavor text to make sure the monsters are a bunch of dindu noffins >Oh the bullet patterns are just their form of communicating! They don't know they are hurting someone!>Oh the monsters are just so weak and fragile compared to humans it's not a fair fight at all!There is no commitment at all, and it on the other hand makes how weakly the game judges you on neutral routes for killing what is essentially described as your wheelchair-ridden dementia-having grandma so weird>Aw I don't blame you just try to think carefully next time okay?It feels like Toby wrote himself into a corner because he wanted to push you towards pacifism but if he didn't give enough reason for why you are being attacked players would find killing them more reasonable and the Sans dialogue is just the band-aid for that Honestly the "you can reset" was reason enough (Double-standard with Flowey notwithstanding), I don't know why that other stuff needs to be here
>>576165524I think if Toby was given 2 more years and got to put all of his ideas into chapter 3 then things would be a lot better. Like in the World.
>>576165515It's not like he killed 6 children because he really liked killing children. It was a product of circumstance.
>>576165659>End this processNyooooo who would ever do that to sweet little krismas is evil. I will patch them up and they'll be okay hand or not.
>>576165709this is the most insane post i have read today
>>576165503I think I saw you post it in a dream, mb.
>summons dog genieI WISH DESS IS A HUMAN
>>576165074True!
>>576163826Hooman!
>>576165785I wish she was a little bit taller
>>576165749I NEED to comfort them.
>A sweet orange tea with a strong flavor of cardadad. Made by "Green." +180HP.>You mean cardamom? [When using it on Noelle; unused]>Green juice made by a girl named "Orange." A smoothie of aloe and citrine. +80HP.>You mean CITRUS? CITRUS, right? CITRUS? [When using it on Noelle; unused]Is Kris reading the flavor text outloud to Noelle when you use these items on her or what
>>576165659>Kris treats (you) like a cancerous tool>Gets surprised when you give em no heart in turnBitch can't even do the last gambit right, thinking we want him to be like Ralsei and not to be his honest self for once.
>>576165785I wish she was lactating uncontrollably
>>576165571A lot of random chud speak in here which makes it difficult to take you seriously. There is a gradual progression from weak and harmless monsters to “relentless killers” with blood on their hands. An entire Underground of Undynes and Asgores would have been rather dull. Some of the moral questions are easier to make choosing the wrong answer all the more egregious. Genocide is a very deliberate choice.
>>576165682It really speaks volumes how Chapter 3 was the most development hell'd and cut content'd, and yet it's still the best one despite all that.
>>576165571Well it seems like you read and understood the game, you just don't agree with it. I think that's fine anon. It's not like you are required to find the morality of UT compelling to enjoy the game.
>>576165997I need to cook for them and care for them and take them to shop everything they want at hometown and beyond to fill their room. Total Kris love.
>>576165659Why is Kris acting like we are abusive or something, last I remember you are the one who keeps us locked and limits our agency as much as possible (not to mention the strong possibility of Kris being the one who stole us)
>>576165749this is probably the best krismas i've seen, the colors are so beautiful
>>576165571True but Undertale is a very short project. A more complex moral situation would deserve much more than the 4 hours or so the game runs. Most of Undertale is not really exploring what is right and wrong but just having fun interactions with a charming cast of characters. You could remove combat entirely from the story and make it like Oneshot and very little about the narrative would change.
>>576165542Dess is supposed to be Blues parallel? I can't even really think of any argument for that.
Chapter 3 took 3 years to make with a team.
>>576165778maybe you're confusing it with this one? or the shota vessel one
>>576166346kris doesn't act like the player is abusive or controlling, at least on the normal routepeople just can't shake their headcanons from chapter 2
I will cry when Carol tells Susie she reminds her of her dead daughter
>>576166459That's just how powerful, complex and high IQ GODpter 3 is.
there’s something in the air that’s made fave super horny lately
>>576166495I remember seeing you specifically post the Larping Vessel a while back
>>576166459And it turned out great. No complaints here. Tied for my favorite Chapter with 5.
https://youtu.be/h44TD6NvoncI was waiting for this one.
>>576166543Hey buddy chapter 4 came out last year you might want to play it
yup you've convinced im susieing off now
Kruise is peak.https://streamable.com/mekpfv
>>576166129I was talking about the neutral endings, not genocide, that one is fine besides the super cringe stuff at the end of it + soulless pacifist with Chara, and if I'm not mistaken the only characters with 100% certainty that have blood in their hands is Flowey and Asgore, unless you count letting a death happen as also having blood in one's hands but that is besides the point
>>576165659Every time I see a post about how controlling the soul is on Kris, I wonder if all the play is the weird route. Because on the normal route it's the opposite situation. Kris is the one in control, Kris is the one making use of us.Even when we want to do something good like trying to find the shelter codes, Kris gets in our way. Want to know who the Knight is? Too bad! Have Jockington.This was the sentiment back in Chapter 2 but it still sticking around even after chapter 5
deltarune took so long to make that hotdiggedydemon is getting medically assisted suicide. jesus.
this could've been kris and susie if toby was not a yuri loving PUSSY
>>576166401Blue is very weird and manipulative over the flower who's yellow and mentally child-like. Very Dess-coded.
>>576166841tell me where in chapter 4 kris acts like the soul is abusive or controllingirritated when you start acting out of line, sure, but at no point is kris a crybaby "waah player so evil for control me"
>>576166918>super cringeOkay, dude, whatever. I was talking about the moral situation that confronts you on any route. It’s much more difficult to justify killing early game monsters than it is late game monsters. Undyne will chase you to the ends of the Earth to steal your soul. Mettaton wants to kill you, leave everyone trapped in the Underground and head for the surface alone, Asgore has killed 6 kids and Flowey is Flowey. Lots of the random monsters in the late game are aware of what they are doing. There is a progression from weak and innocent to more violent monsters in every route.
>>576165785I WISH DESS WAS TRANS AND FAT
Time is extra cruel to exactly 2 kinds of Deltarune "fans": Spamton haters and Chapter 3 hatersWatch your fucking back
>>576167080>irritated when you start acting out of lineYikes. Anon, you are downplaying abuse.
>>576165785MAKE GROOMER TRANS REAL
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnt6Fj4QIm8It finally exists. God that song just fits so god damn well for no reason
>>576166401It's the only part of their argument I believe in actually. Some of the stronger points for me are>Yellow wanting to kill himself because he (thinks he) stepped on Blue's petals parallels Kris following the probably suicidal plan because they (think they) abandoned/hurt Dess>Dess may be associated with blue because of what blue roses represent & Kris who takes after her also being a Blue Rose, the color of her room, (possible) color of her antlers and the (possible) color of her eyes if you think the shadow monster in the sword route represents her>Dess is associated with music & the arts (the posters in her room, her instruments, Don't Forget, Raise Up Your Bat) (+the Shadowguys and Sheary if you believe in DessKnight)
>>576167080From my understanding the main idea comes from Kris never, not even after Ch5, ever seeing the soul in any compassionate light. That their two exclusive views are "Complete Loathing" and "Complete Loathing (slightly less)" as you're both stuck with bodys and souls no body ever wanted while Mew teases you of something you both will never have until one of you two dies.
>>576166973is that actually true
I love Kris cause like they remind me of Niko. I hope we can chat directly one day, like with Niko.
>>576165659Kris would not say any of that shit under any circumstance
>>576166729do you remember any other detail?
>>576167354no because he wont be able to. he did say he wanted it though.
>>576167354he posted a video about it
Can I say something unwoke? I don't understand the drive to headcanon characters that are not even implied to be queer as LGBT in a franchise with a ton of queer characters.
>>576165571Iji had a much better approach to that theme. Its much more meaningful to be a pacifist when the monsters really do mean to kill you.
>>576166198Cuddling Kris! Holding them close and tight! Comforting them through their pain! Clinging to them all the time! Taking them out on a date at the diner! Going on romantic walks to the lake! I love Kris!
Hey boys! It’s me! The guy!
iwicdbros why cant i motivate myself to try and draw today?
>>576167505Deltarune has a lot of queer rep but they always want more because they're greedy piggies.
i love my sissy wife
>>576167596touching kris. holding them down and making them take me. biting down on their neck. leaving love marks across their body. giving them a back massage as reward for taking me so well. I love you. kris dreemurr.
>>576167753you give a finger and they take the whole arm
>>576167204>>576167313kris likely isn't happy with having to take the role of the cage (ie, (You)r tard wrangler) and is especially irritated when you start doing dumb shit that makes their job harderbut there's nothing to indicate that you are somehow forcing kris to do this, quite the opposite when your vessel was discarded by an unknown party and kris makes sure you always end up back in their chest
>>576165524that's chapter 4
>>576167928Definitely not
>>576167505I could understand this a decade ago when there were very few characters in media, but its insane to do this now when LGBT characters are overrepresented by 500%
I feel like I may have seen this drawn with Carol before but I'm not 100% I kind of want to do it myself, though. Maybe switch it for Rudy, too
>>576165571The morality theme is about the morality of a player killing video game monsters when they have the choice not to rather than a real person in a fantasy setting killing monsters that really exist (from their perspective) so the monsters being abjectly weak compared to the player character and arbitrarily inclined to fight the player character for illogical reasons is actually central to the morality theme. Likewise, the player killing monsters, while stopping short of genocide, is given a slap on the wrist because killing video game characters is fine. The game doesn't condemn you for it, it just wants you to think about what you're doing.
>>576167612like all iwicd bros, you lack the power of will
>>576163927Would you like a reference nobody in this general will ever get and especially not be familiar enough with it to know why
>>576167505It’s fun for them, who cares
>>576167160>This isn't the corniest thing ever to anon Not to mention the stuff about selling your soul and destroying the world too, feeling more like Toby just wanted to spook the player, what the zooms call "hype moments and aura", the only good thing with Chara in the genocide and related routes is the "perverted sentimentality" phrase and only because it sounds cool. Chara's writing is unfortunately one of Undertale's flaws
>>576167295Wow, my imagination isn't that good enough to come up with connections like this.Points 1 and 2 are kinda compelling but feel too loose. But then who would Toriel's parallel be? Green? Because of the cooking?
>>576167354I saw it on /co/ its true
>>576168197This Noelle needs to blow my back outNo, I do not get the reference
>>576167910NTA, but I think another important aspect of it is that Kris' plan seems to be about throwing themself into some sacrifice without regard for their own life, and we are essentially in control of allocating their willpower to whatever wishes go through their brain, making them act on them regadless of all that self-sacrifice crap. But yeah, some of those are just Kris' intrusive thoughts as well, and acting on those probably does annoy them.
>>576167820he loves me too too
>>576168179its true, i do, i laid on the floor for an hour todayi wish i had willpower
>>576168176hetslop
>>576168302i wish more of this artist's lewd stuff was backed up
If you gave your penis to Jackenstein would he manage to make your long?
>>576168230All of it was great blind. I think the only way you walk away from a genocide play through with a negative impression of Chara’s writing is if you went in spoiled.
>>576164232Dating a hsts is still heterosexual love
>>576168176hetdinner
>>576167505I don't care if Pizzapants is the only straight representation in Hometown, he should still turn gay for the bunny.
>>576166398The conclusion to this is that it's all the fault of the FIGHT mechanic being so underbaked and neglected, despite saying both ACT and FIGHT are equal methods in the beginning, ACTing is faster and more fun and less of a chance of killing someone, besides the fact the game doesn't acknowledge pacifism with FIGHT, instead just assuming you've been ACTing through the game, all this leads to FIGHT just being the murder button lol. Not that I don't get it since obviously the game is marketed with the ACTing system but still
>>576168197Is that Shriek?
>>576167505sexual titillationwhy do you think all modern cartoons are about lesbian preteens?the creator beats off to it
>>576168228defensive
I need Berdly to obliterate my pussy.
>>576168574pizzapants was begging asriel to let him suck his dick though because he read this blog about alpha male cum turning betas into alpha males
>>576168719birds don't have peniseshope you're ready to scissor with his cloaca
>>576168719said no woman ever
>>576168851birds can't talk or do math either he can have a penis
>>576168436It was a decent twist but again, on second thought it is just "hype moments and aura", nothing wrong with that but that being enough for someone really varies from person to person. And I don't even think Chara is badly written, although a lot of it relies on stuff like NarraChara, it was just kinda mid
>>576168748Pizzapants did that during Asriel's band practice so his girlfriend and his younger sibling overheard the entire conversation too
>>576167505every time a non-feminine woman is drawn as a trans man an angel blows its fucking head off
>>576168302not fond of this guy but i'll take any excuse to post more ral
>>576167505It's a fetish, despite them pretending it's "identity" and "validation". Always has been, always will be.
>>576168950yes they can
about to eat a pizzer, ask me anything
>>576169056is this dialogue from the game?? lol
>>576169126why does alphys want the flowers to get groomed
>>576167505it is not an exclusive phenomenon. people will naturally notice things that are similar to their lived experience, or will tend to assume things to be more similar to themselves/their beliefs. this happens in all things, and has been done by every person (including you and me). the reason why you are noticing this with queer things is because the demographics for career artists are way, way, way more queer than the demographics for the general populace, and because i would assume that it's in direct opposition of what your own standard assumptions are since this question is buggin' you enough for you to ask about it
>>576168329i challenge you to draw napstablookvery simple to draw and he also loves lying on the floor
>>576168962It was more than “a decent twist.” Undertale gets you to immerse yourself in the narrative by folding you as a real person into its story. Making the ending of the evil route a creepypasta makes that creepypasta ending feel real and consequential. Toby took internet horror stories which can of course be cheesy in isolation and built this huge infrastructure around it that made it feel like nothing else most people had played before. There’s a reason it’s got a mountain of art. It left an impression on people. I don’t know what “hype moments and aura” means, but I wouldn’t call the genocide ending “hype.” I would call it cool, interesting and shocking.
>>576168610The game falls apart if you overthink it. If the monsters are so innocent, why dont they just flee when you hurt them or surrender begging for mercy? Why does every boss attempt to fight you to the death when in most JRPGs they dont? Just dont think too hard about it and appreciate the story for what it is.
I can't stop imagining Pizzapants being voiced by Dave from OneyPlays
Without spoilers is Ch. 5 worth playing NOW or should I wait 12 years for more chapters to be out?
>>576167505there are many reasons and they can get pretty granular and unique but imo the big ones are >people like themselves, and so they like it when characters reflect them >they're slash shippers and need their desire to see two guys/gals fuck to appear benevolent and political. ala "gay rep is important guise!!1" (they just want gay porn) >they are thinking of their enemies (chuds) and really really want them to be forced to interact with their political values, via a character. a lot of the transei stuff is of this tilt
>>576167928Nah, 4 is overrated and only worshipped by normalfag midwits who don't fuck with real Tobycore.
>>576169296how the fuck did clover and ralsei get a rainbow pregnant
You can tell it’s been a long time since some of you last played Undertale. Awful takes.
>>576169383Why would you wait 12 more years? Have you played chapters 1-4?
>>576169296
>>576169126Alphys fangirling over Flowery would be a match made in Hell, I wanna see that
>>576169296>all three heads into itLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARP
>>576169357that's a really good voice for him
>>576167505I refuse to believe Asriel would fuck a woman and would rather believe everyone in town is transphobic and misgenders Dess.
>>576169185it's notthat artist is just goated
Theoryfags need to have the word "device" taken away
>>576169457Yea.
>>576169438I have Undertale practically memorized and my takes are immaculate. So that checks out
Theoryfags need to have the word "theory" taken away
Theoryfags need to kiss me on da lips
Why are theorylets always so angy?
>>576169575I'll use the word hypothesis.
>>576169501
>>576167910My point is that it's a lose-lose situation for both parties and the best we'll get is an unlikely alliance by late Ch6/7, an enemy of their enemy makes a temporary friend.>KrisThey need (you) to live even if it takes his pure agency away (all the dialogue choices are yours to make, not Kris even if he can influence it). Even if you say things close to what he'd do, it's still coached in that it was never his choice to make, always (you)rs. No matter how noble our intent is, we are still dangling them on strings no matter how much they attempt to influence. What we are, a body-controlling daemon, doesn't change even if Kris ultimately brought this about via some fuck-ass ritual with whatever third party.>(you)Stuck with a body that'll never respect you and always short-change your decisions for its benefit. One that diagetically limits our range of options instead of something we accept via suspension of disbelief/realities of gaming. The body will get all the glory, all the friendships, all the compassion while everyone stands ignorant to us (at best, why would a single lightner see us as anything short of Satan Himself?) with our sole companions being the darkners we recruit (yes I'm rejecting Ralsei here). Even if they are fleeting, both in screentime (Roaring killing them all) and in scope within that screentime (any of them have as much option of conversation as even side characters like Berdly or Catti?).
What if theories had to be subject to a peer-reviewed study and be proven through replicable experimental procedure before they would be allowed to be called theories, and if they became bulletproof enough they would be called laws like the Law of Device Theory or something
>>576167505Are you sure you don't understand it? Or is that just a cucked way of saying you don't like how it makes you feel? That it robs you of control over your reality to have others contradict it so flagrantly? That it makes you feel weak and insecure to see other people who have more power over their imagination than you do?
>>576168169That is fine and all but the super meta stuff only came to exist in Deltarune and not even that much, in Undertale the metanarrative is way softer because Frisk isn't treated as (you), so the way the game talks to Frisk and their abilities as an in-universe being lead to this dissonance, it ends with the monsters being less believable and more like plot devicesAlthough I completely agree with you that this morality theme is supposed to be part of the metanarrative instead of an in-universe thing, it's the awkward way the game handles it that Deltarune fixed a lot of, it's the reason why the existence of the "player" in Undertale is frequently discussed everywhere
>>576169759Cameltoe Joe!
>>576169826Kris might not actually need us anymore once approaching the endgame. Closing fountains is probably not something they need to worry about once the roaring starts
we still talk about you...
>>576170014>"cover yourself, slut"
>>576169826>The body will get all the glory, all the friendships, all the compassion while everyone stands ignorant to us (at best, why would a single lightner see us as anything short of Satan Himself?)this post is cringe and so is this view of the player/soul relationship. do people really feel this way? NOOO KRIS STOLE MY HECKERINO VESEEL I WAS GONNA DOOOO STUFF WITH THAT ???
Berdly isn’t a chud. There’s nothing wrong with him, he’s just annoying.
>>576170219There is literally nothing wrong with being a chud.
>>576170212It's a fandom thing, but yeah there are actual vesselcucks among us who thing they'd have been free to go around romancing the characters in their retard golem and that Deltarune wouldn't have thematically raped them for trying
>>576170259which to be fair, very very few characters have that power, not even susie.
>>576170272Everything is wrong with being a chud.
>>576170212*player/kris relationship >>576170332lame
>>576169290>Don't get hype moments and auraNot OP but I think what he's looking for is "style and substance", that it's all style, something cool in the moment, but no substance as retrospection makes it fall apart. In anon's eyes.
>>576170272>There is nothing wrong with being Cannibalistic Humanoid Underground DwellersThen go back underground. We'll shovel dirt over you any day
>>576170212Imagine an actual character in the soul's shoes. Obviously you would want them to get credit for what they did and for Kris to get to develop without coasting off the soul being a goody-two-shoes or being impeded by it being an asshole.
>>576167858gently holding kris' hand as we go take a walk at the lake. helping them place out a towel on the ground to have the most perfect rest. surprising them by taking out a perfectly baked pie from my basket. smiling in utter satisfaction as kris finally eats a delicious and nutritious meal. taking a candid photo of them with the sunset behind them which still ends up looking perfect as kris themselves are perfect they way they are.
>>576170419he is such a beautiful prince(ss) and i believe his robe should be hemmed mid thigh
>>576167505If something is sufficiently popular, there will always be alternative takes of all sorts on its characters, and that in itself is harmless in my opinion. I myself enjoy Nicepants enough to have started a folder about it even though Burgerpants probably makes the most sense as a straight guy. (probably even moreso after the new chapter, from what I've heard at least, I haven't played it yet since I've been busy with life stuff.)However, Deltarune, unfortunately, appeals to the politically lgbt community, which is impossible to satisfy in regards to "representation," while having no standards in regards to character chemistry or narrative sense, and has quite a few corruption fetishists barely hidden in their ranks, who are sexually gratified by pushing the agenda everywhere, in addition to the more normal bleeding-heart sycophants. The end result is a whole lot of annoying shiptards that zealously want their fanfics canonized.
Who sings Don't Forget in universe?
I'll cook fave a delectable scratch made dinner.Then they'll give me what I want.
>>576170686Dess
>>576170468even when i do view the soul as an actual character, they aren't some bitter victim they're a voyeuristic parasite that's buddies with gaster. you were supposed to get a unique vessel but instead gassy pulled a prank on you, and now you're inside kris. and it's not even really an issue because the game is fun
>>576169383half the fun of the games is speculation with the communityplay it now so you can be part of that
>>576170619
>>576170686Probably Dess.
>>576170721An unforgettable luncheon?
never got the argument “susie and noelle’s doom will be that susie wants everyday to be the same while noelle wants difference” when in reality nothing in Susie’s life ( as of this in game week, really ) is repetitive LIKE noelle’s life. I always scratch my head whenever people say that because how is susie, wanting to have adventures and be with her loved ones everyday, “walking down a path without knowing where it goes”? she doesn’t have a path and literally does whatever she wants, isn’t that what noelle likes about her? doesn't this imply that noelle wouldn’t like that susie finally found real friends and would find it terrible that susie wants to keep it that way? just because susie wants to keep doing whatever she wants doesn’t mean shes living her life “without meaning”. noelle wants that too, right?
>>576170676Straight ships have such high standards for character chemistry and narrative sense you have no idea
>>576170457>westerners drawing ralsei with a voucher>always, always add white to it >non-westerners drawing ralsei with a voucher >always, always strictly blue and pinkKek..
>>576168610What if "Fight" just knocked the enemy or made them run away? And you needed to do some Weird Route-like stuff to actually kill enemies? Besides making Fighting actually acknowledgeable (perhaps allow you to level up? After all it's Levels of ViOlance, not Levels of Murder, ignore what EXP means)I think that also would allow for killing someone to be given more weight since you went out of your way to actually deal a fatal blow I think this would probably need Acting to auto-spare enemies that have been made spare-able to make it more equal to Fighting but I don't know about making the Mercy button just a Run button so I dunno
>>576170686Kris' beautiful AFAB voice
>>576170881Perfect spray
>>576170838People grab onto Susie's C4 line and overanalyze it. Susie had something nice happen to her a few days in a row, and she wants it to keep happening. Susie doesn't and never did represent some force of stagnation.
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>>576170686Temmie, of course
>>576170725sa and it's actually better that kris is kris because he has history and connections with everything. it's way more interesting to push him (actual character) in the direction we want/take advantage of his impulses over being some random, blank slate fuck dropped into the world, or however vesselfags think that would've gone
Susie is a greedy Satan-like figure in the story because she doesn't want the world to end, especially 2 days after the first time in her life she's been happy.
>>576170846>Straight ships have such high standards for character chemistry and narrative sense you have no ideashipping doesn't work like
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At the end of Chapter 4, /utg/ saw Susie as an infallible goddess and rebel against fate who would inherit the spirit of Jevil and Spamton and destroy Gaster’s experiment and fight the player and all that shit. At the end of Chapter 5 she is seen as a degenerate mentally challenged lesbian who represents stagnation and submission.
>>576170725You believe Gaster is also the second voice? Pretty unpopular opinion amongst the community (and pretty unlikely if you read the Japanese text)
>>576170881I miss sprays so much.normies getting into PC gaming was such a mistake.
>>576170838Susie wants a world free of anxiety, where you never have to fear tomorrow. Noelle loves being afraid for tomorrow because she hates today. The only way to resolve this is for Noelle to change, which is what Noelle wants to do. Seems fine. Of course, Susie is probably not going to get a world with no anxiety so easily, but there is a magical apocalypse between us and the end of the game
krispleasekrisuse the real thing krisim right here krispleaseuse the realuse the real thinguse the realseipleasekris i need this fuck please
>>576171230That's what getting cucked twice in a row can do to a community
this will be deltarune ch2 in the 2039 unreal engine remakehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL0sfxt_ql0
>>576171230that is the power of a chapter's ending! chapter 5 ends with susie falling into darkness in a bad way, so the opinion of susie becomes "oh no..."
>>576170212That line was more of the view in-universe and how the characters would accurately respond to the (you)/Kris thing. I did forget we do have a fan with Gaster/Forgotten Man/whatever the Knight voice is though, so we do have someone who should last in our back pocket.>Alternative way to view itWhy would Susie, Noelle, Berdly, Catti, Asgore, Carol (assuming not in conspiracy), Toriel, Burgerpants, etc. all think kindly of an entity puppeting Kris' body? Why would they all not have extreme empathy that Kris lost his ability to act himself for a whole week? Do you earnestly think Rudy will see Kris checking up on him as a thing (you) did and start patting your back like you're such a good boy? Do you truly think Susie will ask for (you) to help with her school project when they see the pain you've brought on Kris? Do you think Ralsei will ever see you as anything more than a force of nature to appease?What else can you describe what we are in-universe? We are the divine half the JRPGs would make a final boss. I consider it part of doing business because I haven't killed the edgelord in me and recognize we are divine. If the divine can't directly interact in the world with a vessel of its own, then it must take someone to be their avatar Just that Kris (or whomever) took away our choice of deciding that avatar and is rebellious towards us. Also the other worlds don't try to say my avatar/vessel and I are two different beings with different dreams and desires so it's easier to live in those worlds as they feel like they're responding to (us) and not something not-(us).
>>576171230Susie simply became shackled by the Prophecy. She likes being a hero and being loved, which is what the Prophecy foretold, but the same thing also spells her doom. All she can do now is tune the bad stuff out and try to postpone it as much as possible.
>>576171115Susie needs to stop being a little bitch. The chosen one's life isn't all fun and games
I think doing whatever you most immediately feel like is perhaps not a great idea I dunno guysMaybe Susie ping ponging between retarded ideas with minimal pushing is a character flaw rather than something aspirational
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>>576171064Part of that is not being a he>>576171141Did self awareness catch up with you or did you autopost before you were done? Why is the standard for LGBTQ+ shit through the roof while there's no standard anywhere else? Fandom is meant to be fun. The reason you dislike it is not its quality or implications, it's that you feel like it's excluding you
>>576171539>Part of that is not being a heKEK
>>576171252ok but i don’t see why it’s gonna be this huge source of conflict when noelle has said at the lake that she is fine with the monotony as long as susie is still there.
noel holiday made up dess so people would feel bad for him
>>576163927mew mew cat bunny
>>576171491Susie is definitely the most impulsive one of the bunch. It kinda helps when she's in a group with two people who have minimal agency, but those people also gave her direction, and now Susie's becoming more isolated due to her own delusions.
>>576171230She can be both things.
I have a problem with the modern fandom approach to "headcanon". I hate to say it because it's a cliché phrase, but it feels like "media literacy" is dead nowadays. Nobody understands the difference between interpreting subtext and pulling random bullshit out of your ass. "Theories" that are based on a reading of a story's themes and narrative get treated like they're a fanfic AU, and shit that teenagers made up to sound cool gets treated as basically factual. It's infuriating how difficult it is to have any kind of a real discussion about literary analysis. Nobody even remembers the original meaning of "death of the author". The kids nowadays just use it as a synonym of "separate the art from the artist".Anyway, my most controversial take that will make me hated by chuds and wokes alike is that some transgender readings of Deltarune are well supported by subtext, while some readings are complete stretches.
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>>576171678I think that's foreshadowing a possible resolution, but people aren't so ready to accept Noelle is happy when in the other side of the coin she's deepdiving the lake looking for extraterrestrial uranium to eat
headcanons are fine when you dont force them down people's throatsi headcanon kris amab but i dont go around parading that into the thread pretending it to be secretly canon or something
>>576164267what kinda comfirmations are you hoping for?
>>576165074need her full thought bubble
>>576171746My headcanon is that you go to college and study literature instead of saying this with the credentials of a fat guy who watches youtube sometimes. Death of the Author is fundamental to literary critique and has been for like 100 years and that's for too many reasons
>>576171814
I know kek is le 4chan slang but the faggot that replies going >quote he disagrees with KEKKKKis obviously the same guy every time
Deltarune...better rename dat shit to Deltranny, aight? I ain't tryna play my games with no gay ass goats and bitch ass niggas hiding behind trees n shit. nah, I need to pop some niggas.said Chad Warden
>>576170846The brutal blackpill hidden within that is that straight relationships are naturally much more serious business than gay ones, since straight people are tasked with spawning and raising the next generation while gay people are quite literally just fucking around. (Unless they become foster parents or something, but that's another can of worms.)uhhh anyhow I have a quirky rpg about stupid retards to catch up on.
Why does Kris like Susie so much?
they should kiss
The lamest thing Deltarune could turn out is a "and then they killed god with the power of friendship"With that said I hope the final prophecy rapes Susie' hopes and dreams
>>576172068Noelle and Kris both project Dess onto Susie and want to relieve their respective molestations
>>576164137Toby Fox confirmed that Asriel WAS assumed heterosexual before they left. There is no confirmation of their present status
>>576171746>I have a problem with the modern fandom approach to "headcanon". I hate to say it because it's a cliché phrase, but it feels like "media literacy" is dead nowadays.kek>Nobody understands the difference between interpreting subtext and pulling random bullshit out of your ass. "Theories" that are based on a reading of a story's themes and narrative get treated like they're a fanfic AUKEK>It's infuriating how difficult it is to have any kind of a real discussion about literary analysis. KKKKKKKKEEEEEEEKKKKKKK>some transgender readings of Deltarune are well supported by subtextKKKKKEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEKKKKKKKKKK
Why does Mew Mew know about Cats and especially the Egg? No one has mentioned anything about the Eggs outside of Susie and that's for a gag.
>>576172117>HOO!
>>576170435Is ts tuff to white people?
>>576171815you’re talking about the weird route, though.
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>>576172162Police, this guy is kekgasming in public
hi! this is Ralseiremember things aren't always as they seem. sometimes balloons will spell your doom, but a gory head stump can mean good luck!
>>576171746What a controversial take anon! Some readings are indeed better supported than others!
>>576171993Online spaces aren't practicing literary critique, that's the problem, anon. I can't find anyone intelligently discussing Deltarune anywhere.
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>>576171064>way more interesting to push Kris in the direction we want/take advantage of his impulsesYour God-Complex is showing and you're telling me I'm supposed to believe we're anything but a cancer to DR (in-universe) in any sense of empathic morality.
Kriscucks are fucking insufferable
>>576172081did you know that thanks to the large meta-knowledge he disposes, ralsei can recognize flowery as a predator immediately?
>>576172169mew mew needed to have something that actually made her feel like a deltarune secret boss so they just added it in
>>576172408reread my post>they're a voyeuristic parasite
>>576172169It all ties back to the Cattenheimers. All the cat shit in town has to do with them. Cattenheimer Dark World next Chapter, btw. Catti will be the boss, btw.
>>576172054I'm sure that's what every DraconMalfoyxGinnyWeasley fanfic is about, raising children and the future>uhhh anyhow I have a quirky rpg about stupid retards to catch up onAnon is not even caught up? You really should feel insecure and cucked
>>576171993>waste thousands for dollars for no reasonno thanks
>>576172235
Moe
>>576172629cute straight couple
>>576171965Toby could've kept him this fluffy while still making him noticeably boss monster like, he didn't need to turn him into Asriel with pink makeup. Maybe he IS just Asriel in makeup...
>>576170838The thing is. Suselle IS heading for troubling waters. Rudy’s potential death and Susie lying to her about all this is one major factor. But it’s annoyingly common in deltarune threads for anons to take it to the extreme so they could potentially gloat about it. They don’t think of them getting into problems or having a healthy breakup while deciding to remain as friends, they see it crashing and burning and toby owns the yuritrannies.
i have turned myself into a krisfag
>>576171929now that you mention it. i dont really know. i guess i was disappointed this chapter gave more questions than answers. all the chapters do that but chapter 5 especially.
>>576172350You're sarcastic but chuds hate being told any character at all is trans and wokes hate being told any character at all is cis. So yes, it is a controversial take, but let me be more specific: I think transfem Ralsei is supported by the text while any other transgender theory I've heard is an asspull.
>>576172031>same guyKEKAROO
What do you guys think about the elemental system? Personally I think it's underbaked but I'm biased since I like elemental systems
>>576172629ralselle is a straight ship but it feels incredibly gay
>>576172784>I think transfem Ralsei is supported by the textKEKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>576172169>Why does a catgirl whose damage type is cats know about catsI don't know anon
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>>576172715
you WILL care for this sped autistic child and you WILL make them a better person
>>576172727>having a healthy breakup while deciding to remain as friendsIf it does go down it will happen like this
>>576172643this anon is angy as fuck.
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>>576172502Does every character but Susie have a designated molester by now?
>>576172169Shadow Crystal in her pussy.
>>576172784I'm fine with characters being considered cis in canon if they're not explicitly trans/nb like Kris, I just also think any headcanons about trans stuff are harmless at worst and can be interesting. I'm not a reactionary chud, don't compare me to those retards
>>576172784>chuds hate being told any character at all is trans and wokes hate being told any character at all is cisWhat are you even referring to. This literally never happens outside of like 3 fuzzy cwitter baby show fandoms including this one.
>>576172643>NTAHe did say naturally, not universally. They have an inclination towards more serious subject matters but aren't beholden to it while Gay/Lesbo relationships are typically viewed way, way more light-hearted. For pete's sake compare Suselle pieces and Kriselle, which one is typically (meaning more often than not, not completely universally) drawn with way more romantic tension/conflict?
>>576172941i feel like i've seen susie getting molested by toriel
>>576172814The elemental system is purely for lore and theme reasons. It's not meant to be mechanics driven.
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>>576172814I think it's fun that it's bullshit. It's one of the big benefits of a meta work like Deltarune. It's allowed to have jokes in it and only take itself seriously sometimes, instead of having to translate Ralsei's fluffiness stat into some retarded number game that wastes my time
>>576172909Without question
>>576171237it was unironically a troon that ruined this for us by spreading misinformation that people use it to spread cp (since sprays get temporarily stored on your game files) ((also no one actually did this))
>>576172463*paul stretched splat noise*
susie could get molested by weirdelleor weirdel unless you think he’s gay
>>576173005>if they're not explicitly trans/nb like KrisHe isn't explicitly trans/nb.
>>576172865Yeah but how does she know the Hunting Pack of Cats that search for protein? Where did this sudden backstory come from? Not just that but she knows about Spamton! He had to go into hiding and change his appearance! How does she fucking know that??
>>576173005>explicitly trans/nb like Kris
>>576172031Probably not *every* time, I've definitely mimicked that sort of reply style a few times since I found it funny at the time. But yeah there's probably a guy here who's responsible for most of those posts.
>>576172991who the fuck hold a phone like that what
I like the idea that Kris was the one who stole us because it reframes the Weird Route as also being payback for all the shit they pulled, if AngelPlayer ends up being true then it's divine punishment too
transei is real btw https://files.catbox.moe/48ha63.png
>>576172909Faggot you forgot something. You can only make them better if they want to, throw as many ladders down as you want but Kris themselves must climb out.>>576173005>Kris is explicitly trans/nbEvidence on this? I've only heard of ambiguous pronoun stuff and nothing that makes other interpretations an impossibility.
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>>576172031>getting mad uh oh
>>576172572Nta, holy fuck you're insufferable. I can feel your player bad mentality from those words alone. You've been trying to follow the meta plot so hard that you think we're a parasite just because we have power over the game characters. Because of this you've ignored the themes of Lightners having a positive effect on Darkners by being able to bring them to life and have not even thought of equating it to your situation with Kris. You've completely glossed over the reality where Kris chose us on some level, is intentionally using us and can easily shut down or prevent us from making any meaningful choices that don't align with their goals. They're getting a pretty damn good deal for a parasite.
>>576172991Incredible render. Love this kind of shit>>576173039Anon yaoislop is the most dramatic shit ever, full of hurt/comfort and shit. You have no idea what you're talking about
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>>576172921shota gyot and hooman holding up the entire thread right now
>>576172906
stop catboxing images that aren’t your fave spreading their hole
>>576172756Happens to the best of us.
>>576173039damn it's almost like suselle is fluff, the ship, and kriselle is dramatic and full of tension and conflict canonically you fucking tard
>>576173194Everyone in their life using they/them pronouns is explicit enough. Sorry chudley>>576173201All darkners have sudden backstories. That's how darkners work
