>Fatal Fury: City of the Wolves: Revenge Edition Now Availablehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2492040/FATAL_FURY_City_of_the_Wolves/>Season 3 July 23https://youtu.be/watch?v=xrza92Vj81c [Embed]>RICKhttps://youtu.be/watch?v=LmRcao9t6os [Embed]>KENSHIROhttps://youtu.be/watch?v=3s6VAxvedng [Embed]>Community resourceshttp://dreamcancel.com/how-to-play/https://wiki.supercombo.gg/https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zg8H1AgpgPBbAdpPdsGC3WRUEmGVajbv2Ea6b-FZ1kI/edit?gid=0#gid=0>KOF beginner guideshttps://youtu.be/Ye3KVgI1LvU [Embed]https://youtu.be/cqTpKMethDo [Embed]>/neog/ Discord:https://discord.gg/HYAQYFh>Official SNK Discord:https://discord.gg/SNK>KOFXV Discordhttps://discord.gg/mePUQup755>SNK Media Galleryhttps://pastebin.com/R7uX3B5J>Assorted Translationshttps://kof.eu5.org/>NEO-GEO FREAK Magazine Archivehttps://archive.org/details/@japanesemagazinesscans?sort=titleSorter&&and[]=subject%3A%22neo_geo_freak%22>RedGGPO and romsethttps://redggpo.com/https://archive.org/details/2020_01_06_fbn>KOF Official Site backuphttps://drive.google.com/file/d/1n98CoBR6GPywr3kzyydNCT5UHTwMNW51/viewPrevious >>575590872
Is this the end of the lovable /neog/?
>>576395774Nameless feels pointless now that Khronen is back
ONE GAME
Take notes, Oda. You fucking retard.
>>576395774
>>576398652It doesn't work
>>576396046>NamelessEdgekino, high execution, sick dark fire, heterosexual>KhronenBaby mode execution, hiding in fear from being legally indistinct Tetsuo, barely has any fire, too busy homomalding over K' even though Puta is willing and ready.
>>576395774>[Embed] [Embed]>>576397535Cute headline, but as an Atari fan I hope Oda won't do any of the shit neo-Infogrames did.Though AES+ makes me nervous that he already took those notes a while back.
Season 4 is 95% not happening. Seasons 1 to 3 were at the least "promised". Nothing further than that was ever promised nor guaranteed though. COTW has done absolutely nothing to justify its continuation past 2026. I mean it hasn't for S1 to 3 either, but like what was just said, that was already promised and was likely already in the dev-pipeline anyway. There's been no growth in audience at all, there's been a constant decline in about all metrics from online player-base to irl tourney player-base, don't have the sales to justify another season, and much more. I will be genuinely shocked if there's a Season 4 announcement in December. On the other hand though, a Season 4 might happen for the sole reason being that SNK has literally nothing else currently, nor that is coming out in the near future that we're aware of. Samsho RPG has been talked about for about 3 years now, but there hasn't been any real news about it since it was confirmed to be a thing, and the new Art of Fighting likely isn't coming until like 2028 at the earliest. And a game-company can't exactly have no supported-products out if they don't have something else coming real soon.
>>576402052Why did cotw flop.
>>576402608I swear normie football man on the roster and never looked back.
>>576402608Out of touch marketing, bad first impression with the first beta, two random irl people as guest characters wasting roster space, graphics look inferior especially compared to its contemporaries, poor balance in S1, the simple fact that SNK overvalued the power of the Fatal Fury branding
>>576399131Why not?
>>576402052If season 4 wasn't happening they wouldn't rush the entire season at a pace of 1 (or more) character a month and push out filler characters like Kim that weren't planned for the game while ignoring characters that they wanted to push like Gao and Franz.Another thing you miss is that COTW doesn't have to justify its continuation in the first place. It simply can continue, so it does. You can call it a relatively expensive way to train new hires, test things and remind people outside that SNK exists, but they also won't save any money by not doing that.>>576402608There is no bigger audience that is interested in what it sells beyond what SNK already got.
If they were gonna put in Kim in the first place, why did they give Jae Hoon the homage to movie instead of the guy that actually did it?
>>576402608What he >>576402970 said, but he forgot to add that the gameplay is inaccessible and unappealing for most, and that's despite COTW being the most lenient SNK Fighting game to date. People already barely want to play Fighting Games, and for SNK it's for things like how they look. Being not visually-appealing AND inaccessible? That's just begging for people to not play your Fighting Game.
>>576406408Because of the context of the scene it appeared in (kids cheering him on) and it being kind of basic to be the hidden gear of the seasoned veteran like him.
>>576402970does the first impression of the beta really matter that much to people? from what i gathered tokon had 2 and both times people were shitting on it but it's probably going to still sell well come thursday
>>576410150Of course not. Absolute majority of the people not going to bother with beta versions.
>>576402052season 4 and 5 are in the files but yeah it's not 100% guarenteed or anything
>>576402608SF6 is just not fun, only Capcom fans want gameplay like that and they will only play SF6. Avatar did its own thing and had a hugely succesful launch despite being unfinished. Hopefully SNK will learn and just make KOF from now on. It was only ever American Street Fighter players who asked for a new Fatal Fury anyway and they were never gonna play it.
>>576399239Truth nuke
>>576410150It matters when the general impression of SNK netcode is that it's garbage and when the first beta of the game has non-functional netcode, that's the impression that will carry on to release. Doesn't matter that there was a second beta that fixed it and that the final game's beta ended up ok, people were already coming in with little to no faith and that first impression consolidated it.>TokonTokon has the full backing of the Marvel brand and Playstation and Arcsys which in spite of Strive troonifying GG, normalfags still eat it up and accept it as a "good game". SNK has no brand power and no goodwill with a wider fanbase outside of the small one they already have
>>576402608 no tsugumi
>>576418221>Hopefully SNK will learn and just make KOF from now onActually what they should learn is to just make better products that can actually compare to the competition. If the IPs they were working on mattered, KOF 15 wouldn't have been irrelevant and surpassed by everything/everyone too when it released. And KOF has 25-years worth of consistent games compared to Fatal Fury. Avatar, Tokon, and a few others are dispelling the notion and excuse that nothing but Tekken, SF, and MK(more so casually) can do well. SNK's games aren't doing well because they're mediocre, low-effort, and unappealing. If Arcsys or Capcom worked on the next Fatal Fury or KOF, they'd be successes. Which would be because they'd finally not look generations behind, actually have basic QOL features in modern times unlike what COTW(KOF 15 before that) launched with, not as lame newcomer characters, and more.
>>576423740Was Rock and Hotaru a thing before COTW?
Is it a fgc thing or a reddit thing to constantly shit on the games you play?
>>576428575/v/ thing, actually.
>>576428449Not really, but Hotaru's playable appearances in games after MotW but before CotW were non-canon. Rock and Gato had more interaction thanks to KOFXV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXVG-swpb74Is Big-Dog Clayton right? Did SNK lose their cool-factor?
>>576428575And twitter, and discord and...everybody shit on the game they are playing.The difference of 4chan is we don't have any stimulus to be positive.In reddit the voting system plus your opinions are asociated to your nick and it makes more vulnerable to a community that wants to be more flowery and cheerful even if it is just a facade and based on censorship.In twitter you have your face exposed, specially the streamers and influencers who don't want to be against the companys. So at least they limit the bad vibes....Then along comes 4chan, which has no barriers whatsoever and offers no incentives or rewards for good behavior. And I don't think that's a bad thing; sites like 4chan are necessary.
>>576418248My fucking hero
>>576418248GIGADRILL
>>576433505yesi was saying it before him tho so he's swipin my points
>>576428575the difference between them and an snk gamethey are actually playing those games they shit on
>>576425034>SNK's games aren't doing well because they're mediocre, low-effort, and unappealing.That can't be the case since SF6 is the most popular fighting game right now despite looking like a dog turd and having universal mechanics everyone considers awful.
>>576459795I agree that SF6 looks like ass(character models and stages) and the gameplay dogshit, but unfortunately we're in the minority. Also while I think SF6 looks ass, I still like it visually in other ways like the animations and supers which are way better than COTW's, and I also think Mai in SF6 is the best she has ever looked in over a decade. Terry too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J71VXpLdGFA
>>576466264It would be much better to have her in Cotw than Kim.
>>576469449She and Alice would be fantastic additions to COTW
>>576466264>>576469449>>576472379Women in my game? (RAUGHS) NO.
>>576402052>95%
can't be made todayhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPBOF3OjL5I
>>576407510>he forgot to add that the gameplay is inaccessibleJust be honest and say that YOU personally want the game even more dumbed down. Stop hiding behind casuals. The game has 1 button specials and supers lol. Look, SF4 was harder than all these modern fighters and outsold all of them, except MK. If SF7 went back to SF4 gameplay, it would still outsell COTW. Everybody knows this. Stop listening to Max while you're at it.
>>576410610>majority won't try the betaAt least 9k people tried the free beta, which is more than the # of people on the same platform at the real launch (4k). From the numbers, you've got it backwards. Most will try the beta, but not the game.
>just be honestrich coming from a general that wants to believe it's not snk's own damn fault nobody is playing their games ~margaritaville~
Unpopular opinion:I don't care if Alfred was planned to appears in Season 4 or 5. This game needs to end. The longer this goes on, more damage will be done.
>>576479095Fuck you I want at least 10 seasons, I want every minor Fatal Fury jabrone to be in this game. If by the end we don't have Michael Max, Toji Sakata, and Lao as playable characters, I riot
>>576479261>I want every minor Fatal Fury jabrone to be in this gamebut who was it here that said a game only needs 3 seasons to be complete and then move on, when hardpressed about how many sfv got and how many strive got vs how many kofxv got, totally not an excuse for snk btw
>>576479261I want Alfread, anon. I just don't want him in this flop game.
Don’t even know
>>576485103?
>>576482692It's this or nothing, there will probably never be another Fatal Fury fighting game and Alfred is a never-ever for King of Fighters.
>>576488824Nah. Don't worry. all cotw chars + S4/5 (real or not) will go to Kof16
>>576489039That’s bullshit. I’d take another year of pure trash over those shitty characters invading KOF. Aside from the regulars, I don't wanna see any more Fatal Fury flops in KOF, especially since they have plenty of other IPs to pull characters from.
>>576492175Give it up, KOF is purely a crossover game now first and foremost, they even properly added SamSho into it (will be base game going forward)
>>576492493I just don't want KOF to become Fatal Fury's literal dumping ground just because CoTW turned out to be SNK's biggest flop to date. Give me more Kizuna Encounter, The Last Blade, and Metal Slug characters instead.
>>576423740Gato looking devious
Kaiser wave!
>>576494917He's fired up from eating spicy tom yum and the spirit of Hotaru who wants to challenge it too.
>>576423740they made dirty to blueagain
>>576507695They are just good drinking buddies (also the story they did with Jenet wouldn't work with her)
So, it's true about the EA thing. huh.What SNK IP they could work on?
>>576515098Being owned by Saudi doesn't mean that they are part of the same structure, so none.
>>576515098Baseball Stars
>>576517048okay but it's much more easier for snk to do a collab or something. So, another option has appeared on Oda's desk. Let's see if he'll take advantage of it.
>>576507695Terry is a womanizer, he's probably trying to hit up both of them
>>576519153>okay but it's much more easier for snk to do a collab or something.I wouldn't say that. It is about as easy as it was before.>So, another option has appeared on Oda's desk. Let's see if he'll take advantage of it.Does EA even have anything SNK can collab with?Ah, wait, it does have Apex. Surprisingly, it is even still popular in Japan.It would barely do anything for worldwide expansion, but they can actually do something that potentially can piss off more people than it would attract.
Heroines 2 >>> AOF4
>>576524091Angel should hook up with Leona
we need news. real news. like: neogeo console is back with driver/games disc
>>576532456>discTime to sleep, grandpa.
P U T A
>>576532456Here you gohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7J0whhwi0U
>>576537967Not like this...
>>576535019Imagine the smell
>>576535019I've been watching the Brazil tournament quickly, pausing at moments that seemed interesting, and it's incredible how Lauyagami seems to have solved XV with her.
>>576524091A new manga when?
>>576524091I agree. The first game has the framework to make way for a great sequel, even if the first game was mid. Kind of like Maximum Impact, first one was kinda lame but 2 was goated.
Post Mai pls
>another company does what snkan't
>>576558258This good enough?
>>576565469Looks nothing like Mai.
>>576569339She does though?
>>576558849Amazing how this animation isn't even in cotw because old spineless self censoring boomers meanwhile tokon just lets deadpool coom on your face
>>576572823your company has been invaded by feminists posing as those oh so wonderful fujos is part of the reason
>>576572286>>576565469nice honey select photos bro but im pretty sure this isn't the h game general
>>576574478this, it's the f game general
btw the f actually stands not for fighting but for flopping kek
imagine evil hotaro and instead of sitting on your chest and stealing your ki she just sits on your face and lets out a BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP
>>576492175KOF characters mostly suck ass, especially the modern onesToo many of them don't look like they're fighting at all, just spazzing out while throwing out whatever their flavor of projectile is, it's part of the reason they will never be considered coolGarou characters sort of suffer from this as well but not to the same extent
>>576492969They'll show up in KOF regardless of CotW being a flop or not because they can just recycle/adjust existing assets and/or animations instead of making a character entirely from the ground up. SamSho sold relatively well, it still had a team in KOF.
>>576575835Thank you!
>>576575835But this is why people like Guilty Gear characters
>>576478175>so cowardly, he has to reply passive aggressively, even anonymously>can't dispute the point, starts babbling about SNKYeah. No wonder you get filtered by motion controls, b.
>>576537967Imagine neogeo steam machine. Snk hire me.
I'm gonna drop this rant here because there's hardly another place. But around the time of SF4 there was a move to make the game themes around the characters instead of the stages. I suppose it's because players want to "own" the characters but ever since themes have felt very stupid because they now describe environments that they don't belong to.
>>576558849gayshould have saved it for Gwenpool
>>576535019>>576543970
>>576544081And he won again. Asian players are now training to counter Lauyagami's Angel. Whoever manages to pull that off will win the next SWC lol
Samsho5 special feels like a sort of precursor to SF6 with how its system mechanics sort of shape its meta and tiers. And it's like 1/5 as powerful as the drive system.
>>576558258
>>576474806I love the last blade 2 so much
>>576590016>I love Akari so muchfixed.
Why I thought the AoF beta started today?
Same two latinx replying to themselves until bump limit
>>576558849How is it snk’s fault that your society is hypocritical where a female doing sexual gestures is wrong but a male no because it’s gay and wholesome
>>576575835>SFtards when the characters are actually characters and not generic stereotypes who's whole personality is their archetype
98 is such a hard game... Nothing combos, nothing links... Hopping is tough, all I can do is blowback spam... Such a hard game...
>>576596031just play Chris, hold up and mash D
>>576596154That feels disgusting to do... I want to get into the old KoF but the games cut you zero slack. Unless the character has a good command normal you can cancel into I just feel screwed
>>576597058Okay just play Ralf and do st C instead
>>576597115But I want to play Leona, Vice, Athena...
>>576597298KOF98 is very light on combo and there are also very few links. You just hit people in neutral until they diehttps://wiki.supercombo.gg/w/The_King_of_Fighters_'98/Leona#CombosOnly notable link I remember is Kyo's crB clC which was his low combo starter
>he has to reply passive aggressively, even anonymouslyrich coming from the general that invented doing it in the first place and now you're whining about it being done back
kof 98 has no combos bro>10h agohttps://x.com/genkiman2727yzp/status/2085215532870189443
>>576592324Probably because of were you live like i did
>>576604991
>>576604991Heidern lets her dress like that!?
>>576612940Yup! In fact, he personally inspects and approves every single fit
First impressions are everything, right? How will SNK and ArcSys recover after these flops?
>>576616838I blame pony for this flop, not arcpiss. now for cotw is total snk/oda fault.
>>576616838Snoy is legitimately brand poison nowadays, if you actually want to make money you focus on Nintendo and PC. Japanese suits will kill their own industry thinking PlayStation is still the default
>>576616838The PC version has performance issues, apparently it has so much antipiracy packed into the game that it runs like shitSNK games don't get these complaints because no one plays them in the first place tbf
The conspet of a died game is very different between genre's hah ?
>>576620549Fighting games don't strive to be better than the Street Fighter box, they don't know HOW
>>576402608
>>576625694
>>576623317Yeah fighting game's are like if Doom was still the trand setter for fps (Yeah I know it is still in way) and duke nukem was constantly releaseing games that outsells everything else while being mediocre at best
>>576620549>>576623317>>576627832WHAT IF......a shooter but it's also.... a fighting game!
>>576630298Holy shit!
>>576630298The fucker still trying to sell his lies ?
>>576630298BRAVO PETER
>>576620549arc raiders biggest problem is that the game doesn't update enough pretty much wasted the good start they had late last year by now saying they're only doing like 2 big updates a year
Remember when COTW Beta got the game deathamarked instantly by the entire FGC for simply not having a full access training mode after the tutorial and having matchmaking issues (the matchmaking was literally fixed completely by the second day of OBT2) and then after fixing it in the OBT2, they literally hired the +R guys to fine tune it even more between then and the actual launch, where it still works fine even to this day?Meanwhile Tokon shits out consecutive betas, and ends on a colossal failure untested PC Beta with a plethora of issues on top of the Wild Hearts level unoptimization and matchmaking problems + layers on top of layers of DRMs and anticheats making the game unplayable for most builds? And then it TOTALLY promised that the issues present in a beta 10 days out from released would TOTALLY be fixed in the release build? It will get away with it scott free by the end of the weekend and e-celebs are rolling out their damage control videos.
>>576638242>and e-celebs are rolling out their damage control videos.a tale as old as time
!!!
>>576638242What's so hard for you to understand, people just don't like CotW as a game.KoF had folks who liked how it plays, even SamSho had folks who liked how it plays, meanwhile CotW gets no serious praises for it's gameplay. SNK had all these plans for it and thought it'd finally be their big break but they fucked up somehow on every level with it.
>>576640008I like how CotW plays...
>>576639351Ash is... gay?
>>576643786One of the only straight guys in the series actually
>>576643786Literally his entire story arc was done to ensure Liz's existence and happiness. If anything he's the straightest character in the entire franchise.
>>576638242>fighting game community>doesn't care about fighting games outside of their favourite ones and isn't a singular community
>>576649086The idea of an FGC is such a fucking grift, it's so obvious none of these games legitimately has the staying power to support themselves like a real fucking genre or franchise so they have to pretend to be insular and play each other's games when really nobody cares beyond the nebulous label of popularity (as popular as a fucking fighting game can be)
Cotw keeps getting cucked https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5UXItuIfXxgEven the goat agrees kof xv still the best modern fighting game.
>>576646891why do i wanna hit his bussy then
>>576656528You might be the gay one here
>>576650508pretty much>>576638242people are making excuses not to play cotwpeople are making excuses to play tokon maybe, fatal fury messed up the gameplay (it is not going to be my favorite game if i'm honest) but if SNK was a power brand people would play it anywaythe difference lies in a game that changes the perception, arcsys found that with fighterz, but snk... is still searching for it
Aof3r..what a shit fucking beta. Can't even change controls and the defaults are the opposite of what I want them to be. Of course the two characters that are the whole reason to play this version of the game, King and Yuri, aren't selectable.
>>576638242I shitlisted COTW because it wasn't funAnything else is schizophrenic faggotness being spread by the kind of people who get baited by some guy who literally never plays SNK games
>>576672449>by some guy who literally never plays SNK gamesway to narrow it down to the world population minus 5 people
>>576673257wow I am so baited rn
>>576673342nyoro~n
>>576643786Nah he just isn't into adopted sister
https://x.com/blitzkavatv/status/2085470574336242092
Playing AOF3 again, man SNK fighting games are just so much fucking fun. I can't wait until the retarded management of this company dies so that they aren't forced into rushing into doing retarded things tooBut until then, I'm stuck pretending that I enjoy Street Fighter and whatever Arcslop gets popular on Discord or Twitter or whatever because I can't play any matches unless it's one of those two things
I can definitely see why they didn't want people to stream the AOF3R beta, there's literally nothing to see yet. It plays fine but the majority of the cast is locked and you can't play the new characters (I can't say I expected to yet though). I haven't had a single problem with the netcode though, even from niggas who I looked up, friended, and talked to who also said they didn't have problems, and it turned out that they live in fucking Greece (for reference, I live in Oceania)
Will May Lee ever come back?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Lp346aEr2/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click>some chink company revives KOF ArenaWeird
>>576684868With Oda in the position he's in, I'm afraid not. I’m not even Oda hater, just realist. He prefers having three Kims in the game rather than two plus May Lee (or even Chae Lim). he simply doesn't care about KOF
Sorry, fellow CotW bros. I'm going to be on Avatar Fighters for a while.
>>576684868Yeah
>>576684868Mmmmmmmmmmmm.... nyo
>>576690587oh, ok. have fun, anon.
Playing the cbt I now I understand why people want a practice mode for betas Then again I doubt it would help my suck less
>>576656528You might be a gay nigga from outer space.
>95 players on steamdbLmfao literally pre dlc numbers. There’s nothing they can do to save this game. Just stop.
>new at the game>I can't learn a thing nor training in the beta>*opens neogeo emulator instead steam*THANKS SNK
>ps1 version of Last Blade has a secret version of Akari>she's just brown and has a tanuki tail, she's otherwise the same Soul I guess
>>576697267Can they add Gato's dad to the game before killing it off at least, he can at least seek asylum in KOF later on that way
>>576693402Fuck...
>>576558849more snk references:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCsM9A1JWFQ
>>576697267Told people. Anyone with a functioning brain could see Season 3 is bad. >Basement kidnap victim Rick with no stage>Duck (the only win)>Kim as DLC for the second time, AND with the Tae twins already in (c'mon, bro).>Nobody gives a fuck about Laocorn being in before other FF characters from the actual games.>stubborn patching habitsThe second fall off started when they added Kenshiro. These devs and publishers gotta learn. They need to learn only mega franchises can get away multiple fumbles. The game needed to be based at launch.
>>576685536Won't click this at work? Did they make a pirate copy/servers or something?
>>576638242Tokon has>developer with great recent track record>successful Dragonball IP for credibility>successful Guilty Gear revamp for even more credibility>anime fanboys going googoo gaga over the cel shading in all their games>Marvel IP after people being starved of a Marvel fighting game>actual above average presentationTokon does not interest me in the slightest, but you need to stop being in denial, anon. Yes, the FGC is full of liars and hypocritical shills, we all know this, and they should all fuck off. But SNK still did this to themselves. I don't know how many times it has to be said before it gets passed your cro magnon skull plates. Even without the rest oof the FGC, even the diehard SNK fanboys aren't playing the game, which is also SNK's fault for fostering this KOF-only hive of fanboys. And that's on top of all COTW's mistakes.A lot of you like making it sound as if SNK is pumping out AAA level game after AAA level game, but the pesky FGC is blocking everyone else - including people who don't follow the FGC, and including all the diehard SNK fanboys - from buying it. You gotta stop the cope and stop it now.
>>576584436>I suppose it's because players want to "own" the charactersNothing to do with it. Capcom just wanted to save money, so they made characters share stages. SF4 launched with 17 characters. They could all have had their own stage if Capcom really wanted them to. Every content decision comes down to money.
>>576721105>before other FF characters from the actual gamesBefore the game was even officially revealed, I was trying to work on a project for people who don't know what an SNK is showcasing who would've been possible to be in the game. Before the actual reveal, I would've figured even KOF exports would be more likely than half the roster. Now here's almost everyone currently in the game or revealed to be added later. With the exception of Max, Axel, White and the Wild Ambition duo, I never finished it obviouslyAbsolutely fucking none of the grayscaled characters listed here would make any difference to the game's hype over Laocorn. Except maybe Yamazaki and Alice, who have both been in KOF so it's not like they'd be new assets either. The truth is Fatal Fury already fumbled its presentation, so "more Fatal Fury" characters isn't going to get eyes on the game anymore. Because they've already added all of the best ones. They can keep adding 4 more seasons of DLC just to get to Jubei, Cheng, Franco and Tung but do you think that'll change anything? Do you REALLY think people will finally be excited for CotW if they added Tung?
>>576723245I would a bit more positive if they reverted the retarded decisions of taunts and color edit previews. Changing some stuff from the system like revblow and combo structure would help. But you're mostly correct.I think many just see those changes, lackluster characters coming to the game and don't even complain. They just stop playing the game and do something else. I think it's worse than the game being "shitty" it's just apathy.
>>576596031>>576597058'98 do have few combos and links. They're just hard to pull.
>>576664467I hate that the game forces you to use the Neo Geo CD layout, the standard layout for SNK game since PSX days has been square/X=A, X/A=B, triangle/Y=C and circle/B=D.
>>576728824Can't you force the layout through Steam?
>>576721105Oda is braindead and will keep tanking the company to give favors to his buddies. He must be kicked off. Genuinely insane the former ceo got all the blame and oda walked off with a promotion. Hopefully the SamSho RPG director overshadows him if it succeeds
Noice
>>576722021you got it all wrong, i ran every potential player off from wanting to play snk games, all 5 of them
How are these people that said they couldn't get into KOF because they didn't want to learn 3 characters learning entire 4 character Tokon teams with combos that change depending on character switching/tag order?>"you can just play one character in Tokon, you don't have to play the entire team"False and cope unless you literally want to not use multiple of the game's mechanics and not utilize Active Switches at all for any actual mixups.
>>576737727because if they said what they really meant, it'd just lead to arguments and namecalling and them getting called schizo or casual or w/ethankfully, i don't mind getting called names so i'll just say what i want
>>576737852As opposed to now when they are still called schizo (because of their dishonesty) and casuals (for playing games that are more casual)?
>>576738901>because of their dishonestylolmaybe they actually enjoy the game they're playing and all that "uh they're just playing it for duty" or whatever other rhetoric you all come up with is just tinfoil afit's all "they don't REALLY want to play sf6" and sure they complain about it but if they didn't really want to do something, they're americans or japanese, not mexicans living under the cartel's thumbs or communists being "interrogated" in chinawe're not held at gunpoint to do this or not do that, noone is like "if you play snk game i will shoot yoU!!111 go back to sf6">for playing games that are more casualso if you're just gonna namecall them for that maybe they just don't want to be around youthankfully, i don't mind and actually i feed on it, so i'm around you like ahnold is around cindy in kindergarten cop
>>576721105>>Nobody gives a fuck about Laocorn being in before other FF characters from the actual games.Laocorn was a really good pick, and making the movie retroactively canon is coolI'd say the cast is not the problem of the game
>>576740004ntalaocorn isn't a bad choice, i like the choice personally, but i'd agree he isn't gonna pull numbersthe roster is also part of a bigger problem, but it'd probably be less amplified if a lot of the other issues with the game were resolved astoundingly
>>576740226I think we are saying the same but with different words.If the game was popular everybody in the roster would look like a homerun.
That anon is right, none of the remaining FF characters other than Albert or Freeman would be an actual good pick. If they put Yamazaki in, you'll all just say he's a XV recycle or some other shit. You all said pre-launch that the MOTW characters were the coolest characters in history, now they are lame "generic" characters that are the reason COTW failed.
>>576740541you said that the cast is not the problem, i'm saying it's part of it and is certainly a contributing factorfor examplebut if you were to rectify that problem, you'd still have others in the way
>>576740226CotW's roster has these main issues that devalue itself and have nothing to do with the salty anon mad that "Laocorn is a waste of a slot" when really he's just another schizo trying to push a meme>SNK devalued Fatal Fury by treating its most iconic, recognizable and beloved mascot characters as KOF filler for 20+ years>CotW has extremely miniscule gameplay diversity thanks to universal system mechanics benefiting mostly one style of gameplan>CotW did a piss poor job presenting any reason to care about its roster due to is middling graphics, lack of cinematic story, the aforementioned lack of gameplay diversity and general haphazard focusAnd the most damning of all>Overly promoting the collab characters at the expense of the IP's integrityRather than being given a reason to like the Fatal Fury cast at all, they tried to take shortcuts like with Ronaldo, Salvatore, Ken, Chun-Li and Kenshiro and NONE of these have worked at all. Any of their spikes were literally met with the same player spikes as Krauser, since he launched with actual, real content (Wolves' Destiny) meaning if SNK was putting effort into making CotW a unique product instead of just another fighting game to make money off of, the game would've been doing objectively better than it is. You wouldn't even have people asking for "more females" or "add KOF characters" if people gave a shit in the first place. SNK failed step one and no matter what they do now will change that fact. People will point to SFV as being a game that "saved" its reputation but really it mitigated it. Nobody's playing SFV, nobody cares SFV was even a failure because it's ancient history. That's where CotW is heading
>>576739417>and sure they complain about it but if they didn't really want to do something, they're americans or japaneseSo it is dishonesty when they start talking about their reasons for not playing other games. Glad that you agree.
>>576741395>was putting effort into making CotW a unique [attractive] productftfythe word attractive being used more liberally
>>576740926>You all said pre-launch that the MOTW characters were the coolest characters in history, now they are lame "generic" characters that are the reason COTW failed.I've been shitting on them since before release. Ironically seeing wacky guest is what brought my attention to the game back.
>>576737727if you played tokon you would've never said this. Game is piss easy and you can do all the combos with one button
>>576741896>So it is dishonesty when they start talking about their reasons for not playing other games.might as well be when they get bothered by someone asking questions about itworry not though, i'll say what i want and take the hits for them and you'll just deny them being the reasons all the same
>>576741903Fighting games are innately not an attractive product
>>576742760just because you're rating them against roblox and call of madden doesn't mean you should just have such a defeatist attitude with only obtaining 5 players like with cotweven if you're a janitor you should do a good job being a janitor or just not bother since someone will just shit on the diaper change station again anyway
>>576742564>might as well be when they get bothered by someone asking questions about itYou're saying that lying about their real reasons is easier than telling the truth?
>>576743046It's a multiplayer genre. Here are the two the supposed golden apple goats of the genre vs. an unreleased game and "a dead game"And 6 just got a new DLC character too. This shit is not sustainable in its current output
>>576743404by transitive properties of inequalities, snk is so deep in the mud that even these supposed dead genre zombies are laughing at snkmy point is if you're going to bother making a game, do it well enough or fail spectacularly, and that was actually on a tangent of one of chuckie chapman's points about kofxv, though i twisted the idea a bitif you're gonna be like this, well, "fighting games don't do well anyway" ahh attitude to justify snk doing even worse, why should they even bother making anything, unless your point is going back to this whole "they should make a game in a different genre, that'll totally sell" conversation which we've had before, which i'm going to tell you again, that's not going to work either as snk has a whole bucket of problems to work on before that
>why should they even bother making anythingBecause they aren't allowed to go under until I get to play AOF4 or KOF16
>>576744487Nobody's justifying shit because SNK is choosing to fail deliberately by focusing exclusively on a genre that doesn't generate real revenue or provide proper training to employees to make something genuinely worthwhile. When you're busy making complete and utter dogshit for decades, you'll never be properly capable of making anything people would have interest in. The gold standard Capcom's core fighting game only exists because Capcom makes real, AAA money making games that can support such a needy genre that offers nothing in returnCase in point: Game Freak's AAA game is a massive flop because they had zero capabilities of making something legitimately good because their teams have been focusing either on Pokemon or small indie slop like Harmoknight or Little Town Hero. SNK won't immediately become better developers making something that isn't a fighting game, but focusing exclusively on fighting games is not valuable. This is why ArcSys is stuck in Sony's Tokon mines and look what's happening to themMake smaller, more concise projects that aren't trying to be Temu SF6 to build reputation, skill and exposure. People are expecting DLC passes from shit like even the Avatar fighting game. That's all shit that's being burned at a complete loss. Or, alternatively if you DO want to keep making fighting games, you make licensed games like ArcSys in the 2010s. Because GG wasn't keeping them alive back then, it was BlazBlue by lightning in a bottle, Persona and Dragon Ball. I still don't believe this is the best way to build reputation, but it's a way to do itAnything's better than either nothing or focusing entirely on trying to salvage a sinking ship
>>576723245Damn. only 3 girls left vs 14 sausages. Oda is gay.
>>576746712Bring back the Chinese girls.
>>576747015Mui Mui is like an ancient medieval Chinese whore that wouldn't exist in any modern setting but she's so much more appealing than Xiangfei ever was
>>576745303>Make smaller ... projects ... to build reputation, skill and exposure.oh hmmm who could have made this point beforeseveral timestalking about dividing the staff into smaller units as a tool for enhancing and building experience as well as weeding out the deadweights, through working on small projects to release through platforms like steam in the form of things like shovelware and phone games using both existing ip and new ips the staff creates, only for naysayers to show up and say that won't do anything, which is funny because they're already essentially doing nothing as ishmmm a mystery>Nobody's justifying shitlol>SNK won't immediately become better developers making something that isn't a fighting gamenot necessarily, but with the proper mentorship, you get the guidance and insight that would help with programming and developing in more creative or crafty waysbut mentorship is also a problem when the idiots above also don't know anything either>but focusing exclusively on fighting games is not valuable>This is why ArcSys is stuck in Sony's Tokon mines and look what's happening to thempart of that is sony's fault, but even arcsys has had nonfighting games added to their catalog in the past 10 years, and not as form of outsourcing, like they were the dev behind the another code remake, damon and baby, codeshifter, and whatnotwhat does snk have that isn't outsourced like metal slug tactics?so my original point again, is if you're going to bother at all with a supposedly low numbers genre, don't just sit there and be like eeyore and go "well it doesnt matter anyway, we're gonna get low numbers" and then impress people with how low you can go like a limbo competition
>>576747238Okay then you agree
>>576747380in a roundabout way, yesbut on the finer points, not necessarily all of them
>>576747015Kof14 had soul
>>576747145Xiangfei is cute and I miss her sometimes, even though she was kinda mediocre whenever she was playable. It's just that Mui Mui sex sex sex sex sex sex sex.
>Another game (AoF3) with matchmaking instead of player list Cmon snk, stop shooting yourself at the foot, i started loving the gameplay thanks to guilewinquote video..
>>576747550The fighting game genre is not something sustainable as your bread and butter. It's like relying on pickles as your main course and not as something that makes your repertoire more impressive. No amount of "making good looking fighting game" is going to help SNK, and the reason their games look bad is because they're prioritizing these stupid ass aspects like balanced gameplay, DLC passes and incentivizing tourneys when they can't even make a functional game normal people want to play. No company on this planet makes their profit from fighting games, and popular fighting game IPs make more profit from merch, collaborations and other outside sources because they've done a good job establishing themselves in the mainstream. This is why Pokemon has the exposure it does even though the games are mediocre dogshit, its merchandising potential is beyond compareYou make other games to show your company is actually worthwhile and worth investing into. You make shooters, you make action games, you make scrimblo platformers, you make RPGs, you make puzzle games, you make things people actually DO want to play and will invest in them. Then you make your fighting games that can have all the pretty grafix and DLCs to indicate it's alive and worth supporting because you actually can afford to run shit at a loss and give players what they want"Just make appealing games" is the correct answer on paper, but people want something that makes them want more than they want something that satisfies them. That's how you hook people. Nothing about CotW makes people want more, clearly. So it's unsatisfactory AND unappealing. And even if KOFXVI was suddenly a monumental step up; was just as good-looking as Strive, a roster of 60 characters on launch, had amazing gameplay, nobody's going to play it beyond the alleged FGC. You're aiming for 12k players daily at best because fighting games in their current state are incapable of more. And SNK will never grow if that's their goal
>>576748986Based post, but>beyond the alleged FGCBeyond the alleged what? FGC is a mystification made by grifters to project the influence over smaller communities.
>>576748986>The fighting game genre is not something sustainable as your bread and butter.already had established this when i made fun of snk several times in the past about this>No amount of "making good looking fighting game">"Just make appealing games" is the correct answer on paperthose ain't my exact words at all but k>And SNK will never grow if that's their goalistg
>>576754203Andy...
>>576754203Did she really get nerfed that hard in SF6?
>>576757232Not that much. Mai players just need to think now instead of going autopilot. But she's probably not top tier like the others that only got a light tap or even got buffed.At least she wasn't hit with the hammer like Ed...
>>576721105>The second fall off The game was and is dead, there was no second fall off, it fell off and then never recovered lolThe only thing I heard about Kenshiro was actually people being annoyed that you couldn't buy him separately and had to buy the entire pass which people evidently didn't want to do
>>576748887At least you can have multiple people in a lobby, right?I really wish they updated their LB2 and Vspecial ports just like they did with the UMs.
>>576721105DLC costing the price of other full games is a killing factor too. Why buy Season 3 when I can buy tekken 8 on sale for fhe same price? Then, with players greyed out I lose the desire to even play since I no longer have access to the full game I paid for.. DLC seasons barely work in SF and it's far more popular.
>>576747015does snk still own the rights to muimui?
>>576781560I'm rather confident they do, but don't want to peel off the stinky pachislot bandaid
>>576781678they have no room to hang their hats on their egos like that
>>576781802What would they even do with her other than canonicize her sexual relationship with (Me) anyways
>>576781560>>576781678>>576781802This could be solved with making more gamesWow...
>>576781949>spoiler>>576396592
>>576781949LOL
>>576721105>>576762534The monthly DLC gimmick has played out. The players that like it are nonetheless overwhelmed with characters and are now fatigued. And while the Ver.3.X patch is good and healthy for the game, I'm just not as excited as I was at the start of Season 2.
>j.C>6AACB>3A>repeatNot gonna lie my AOF3 Ryo is kinda cracked, nobody can match my highly refined skills
>>576768129>>576799315We really need Heroines 2
>>576804047>no posts for ~2h 30min>page 10It's over
saving snk
>>576801619Need to check how to play with Kasumi.
>>576781949They could also act as publishers: pick interesting indie games currently in development, provide a small budget to speed up the process, handle the marketing, and slap the SNK logo on them.But Oda..... *sigh*
>>576804047I'm still salty they didn't have Puta in Heroines
>>576825402They really didn't know she was popular.
btw, I was using 30 years old guides from gamefaq when we have a fantastic wiki in https://mizuumi.wiki/w/Art_of_Fighting_3if only the beta let me practice the game instead using roms and emulators aside...:/ ç
>>576830086Would an old guide be helpful if there was a rebalance anyway?
>>576829352The gays don't know, yeah.
Mai is gay
>>576830086ok GAYjin but this is onrine test, so pray onrine onry
>>576852627Prease undastandu
p-power wave...
dlss 5
>>576847674Good!
Is this game in a bigger hole than even COTW was after the disaster level PC ports and perfunctory betas?
>>576872823It won't hit CotW's lows because of brand power, but if Sony doesn't fix their retarded decisions, this will damage them more than CotW is damaging SNK
>>576872823In the sense that it would lose more people in percentage via dropoff? Could be.Those aren't the good weekend numbers. It will be lucky to have the half of this current player count next week.It won't spiral as low as CotW though, unless Sony will quickly give up on it.>>576873467I sure remember how brand power did help MvCI.
>>576880576>Versus game with no X-MenGosh I wonder what went wrong......
>>576881487Normalfags were all about Avengers and Guardians of teh Galaxy anyway.
>>576880576>I sure remember how brand power did help MvCI.The difference there is back then they don't plan for 3 years of content for a game so after Season 1 was done, that was it. No new content was produced for it other than what they were planning to add to it. SFV set the real, current standard for what a fighting game "needs to be" and that somehow fucking lived 5 years. Now if Sony/ArcSys do have 3 years of content planned for Tokon, then Sony will either decide to burn all that money on a game they deliberately ruined or pull the plug immediately by Year 2. If retards deliberately WANT to play a game they supposedly hate, then they can support it. I think that's a fitting opinion for a general like thisAnd in the end while MvCI didn't make the money it needed to for getting like 5 seasons of DLC content, it DID get the support from the alleged FGC with people like Max dumping money into prettying up the game and turning it into the Sonic 06 Potential Man of fighting games. Tokon already looks infinitely better than MvCI ever did, so that succeeds step one, doesn't it?
>>576872823Well, at least people can run COTW.
>>576847674and juri is the sub in this relationship
>>576891739and mai is the mac
Arcsys succeeded because they followed modern trends and created niche games until they perfected their craft. While snk still believes they have legacy and want to compete with AAA companies. Basically they should know their place.
>still believes they have legacythey do tho snk has been THE fgs company since foreverthey just need one banger... oh hell samsho rpg might be the one>but it's not an fgit's going to boost the company's support rate enough for xvi to be considered one of the best fgs of the decade and lb3 one of the best games ever
>MEGA SMASH>MEGA SMASH>MEGA SMASH
>>576830086At least FC2 has a training mode.
>>576899843You're breaking kayfabe too much, go back to making abhorrent posts
>>576899843Legacy means being remembered yet nobody remembers or gives a fuck about fatal fury. Yes they were great in the past but they must start fresh, instead they try to nostalgia bait as if anybody cares.
>>576880576>MvCIIn this case, roster and weird face design killed the hype
>>576847674>>576891739Juri is Chun-Li's wife/slut, how dare Mai
>>576909623SNK's only fucking legacy is King of Fighters, Metal Slug and Samurai Shodown yet they leaned on people innately giving a fuck about Fatal Fury when there hasn't been a game since 1999 to get attached to. There is a sea of zoomers who were born after Mark of the Wolves and have never heard about this franchise which is the audience you NEED in order to stay relevant in the current climate. And they did not put any effort into selling the game to themNo franchise just dies for 25 years and expects people to care when it comes back. Franchises people give a fuck about always have new things coming out because that's how you retain attention. That's how KOF retained attention, it never went away and the moment it did that did more damage than a deluge of bad business decisions could have. Only to come back mediocre as fuck. CotW somehow did what KOFXIV did but worse
>>576872823SNK vs DC >>> AOF4
>>576911193Not only this, all FF characters were shared with KoF. it make no sense in any timeline, to revive FF. Oda really thought 3v3 is the thing holding KoF back from being mainstream, which shows how inept and delusional he is.
>>576913067Or you know they want to make a new fatal fury for long time and only new get the chance
I'm glad they made a new Fatal Fury and am happy with the game. I know I'm in the minority. I do wish they focused more on the pre-Garou Fatal Fury as far as gameplay and characters go but I understand they believed Garou was the most popular FF and this was their gambit to try for a successful game. I'm also surprised that the ex moves combo system didn't make this game more casual friendly to the point it'd bring in more players. CotW's system is so easy to get used to.
>>576911331SNK vs DC >>> KOF16 >>> Samsho 2 >>> Heroines 2 >>> AOF4Oda = retard
Art of Fighting 4 will be kino though
>>576915242>kino game with <350k copies sold and <150 online players
>>576915502Better games have attracted less attention
Rody is cool because he looks like Benimaru who is cool
>>576915502You need only 2 players
Is there anything known about the SamSho rpg? I think it's a good idea on paper except I don't trust SNK to be able to develop something like this, maybe if they outsource it to an actually competent dev
>>576872823>>576873467I can only hope Arcsys brand hits damage from this.
>>576920087I only know it'll be the second time they made a SamSho RPG. And that first one wasn't particularly revolutionary, but it was from a time where they were writing a fuckton of things for their worlds
>>576919821>tfw no friends to play
>>576762534>The game was and is dead, there was no second fall offkek. Well, personally, if the game itself and the passes are good (season 2 was), then I could just play offline with people and enjoy the game. However, the season and patches are lame (as is season 3), it's even worse.
>>576914754>I understand they believed Garou was the most popular FFBecause they listened to Max instead looking at the data. Capcom did not make that mistake with SF4, because at that point in time, they were not retards. Fatal Fury was at its most relevant from 1991 to 1997.> I'm also surprised that the ex moves combo system didn't make this game more casual friendlyCome on now, bro. lmao. Scrubs, ie: the ones you see talking on forums, pretending to be casuals, say one thing, but do another. You really need to learn this. They have no idea what makes a fighting game successful and fun to play. Same as the ultra zealous fanboys who defend every bad decision. Scrubs like Max are terrible at the games, but love the admiration and hype that comes from long combos with high execution. The problem is, they are impatient and have ADHD, so they think making it so everyone can do these long, flashy combos with ease will make everyone (and them) feel better.This all comes crashing down when these retards get the game they wanted, and realize, if everyone is doing big flashy moves and long combos for free the majority of the match, the game is then boring. If all it it is HYPE, then none of it is. Same with execution and tight inputs. What these scrubs then do is tell everyone that the reason {insert bad thing} is happening to a franchise, is because of the personal thing they personally want not being there. In this case, piss easy gameplay. They didn't care about with graphics, presentation, depth or content, just the long easy hype-hype combos. Now that non-Mega IP games have dumbed down, and they're still flopping, that Accessibility meme is slowly being exposed as the cope it was all along.It's too late now, though. Even you've been fooled by the meme.
Terry is... strai...ga...bi...hmm...dunno lol
What is Angel supposed to do for a longer range confirm? Just sweep? I find myself landing jD at tip range and nothing combos after since her far C doesn't cancel into anything
Did COTW's number even get this low its first weekend? How does the game get out of this situation now? Can the FGShills even help at this point?
>>576930991I don't think CotW has ever had that many people playing it at the same time
>>576928976Assuming you're talking KOFXV, I'd say check a guide instead of asking anons to be honest. That said, I don't know dick about playing as Angel but I do know you can always experiment with MAX mode cancel if your confirm is too wonky for anything else to work
Schizo'ing aside, that PC Tokon situation does look completely dire and will probably have it ending up with a fate potentially worse than COTW-Mass refunds, with people posting screenshots of their refunds, which will only make more people do it for attention. - Active review bombing from both Linux/DRM/EAC complaints and optimization woes- The biggest e-celeb in the FGC to not play the game, and telling the console playerbase to DISABLE crossplay. That will hurt PC <-> PS5 crossplay forever even if it's ever fixed (because most people won't even care to know or ever turn it back on)- No roadmap/emergency update/etc from ArcSys Sony. No communication at all- A permanent red warning indicator of a review rating on the Steam store page that takes even bigger games months/years to get recover from- People are sharing/spreading voodoo level, nigger-rigged fixes like "if you install and uninstall EGS it will make the game run 10x better. Trust me!" - Any modding level or nigger-rigged solutions that COULD solve things are impossible because the 20 layers of DRM have the game locked down harder than most banks- They already ruined player trust by "promising" the Beta issues would be fixed by launch, which obviously didn't happen. So now the players can't even trust that they can fix it.- Even if ArcSys could immediately fix it, everything has to go through two-three+ layers of bureaucracy because they're working with both Sony AND Marvel
>>576935865>ultimate MVC3 shill uninstalls a marvel game in the public eyeUnironically grim
>>576936057The shitty optimization and DRM/anticheat is smokescreening people from even knowing that the game even has more issues after that barrier.Lobbies have been busted, there's a bunch of broken UIs, matchmaking has been wonky, and there's weird issues like players not being able to connect to each other in lobbies if their system clocks aren't properly in sync with each other.
istokonmatchmakingstillbroken.com
>this is 100% sony's fault>psn problems>Sony DRMArcSys is going to get away with it for free; their brand power is incredible.
>>576947939maybe if snk actually built their own brand power they'd get away with shit too instead of depending on marks to hopelessly defend their territory while everyone just makes their excuses to not bother with snk games as they go on about their way to play something else
>>576947939Having a scapegoat is useful.
>>576950226I mean everyone blames Saudi Arabia for everything wrong that SNK doesIt's just that people genuinely don't give a shit about SNK but feel embarrassed to say that for some reason so they just deflect with muh Saudis (and muh China before that, and muh bad netcode before that, and so on)
The Korean era of KOF was the most soulful tbqh, as oxymoronic as that sounds
>>576951213https://x.com/Cristianolook at this guy's follower countthis is the follower count of someone accused of rape despite being acquitted in courtthe same guy that people use as an excuse to not play an snk gamethe same guy apparently brought in by the sowdeys for said gamewhat's the differencethe difference is clear, snk's brand strength is not strong enough to rise above it and that's really their own fault, and it's their own fault in the first place for allowing sowdeys to buy them if that was gonna be such a worryunlike snk, i'm sure people are still going to buy ea games and their main complaint won't be the sowdeys, just the usual mtx complaintssnk ultimately has themselves to blame for their circumstances
>>576952231and really, do you think you're gonna sell people on playing snk games by saying "YOURE TOO CASUAL TO PLAY SNK GAME" or "PLAY SNK GAME, IT BETTAR GAMEPLAYS THEN (sic, sic, sic) CASUAL SLOPPER 6 THE NEW TRANNIES"because you'd be wrong to think thatbecause this is america, jack
>>576950687Yeah, I know. One of my fav cards back in the day.
>>576955207
>No Yuri
I do not care about guest characters, with the SOLE EXCEPTION of Spawn in Mortal Kombat - purely because it's Spawn. This applies even to Soulcalibur which has had at minimum one guest character since 2.I especially do not care about real life people as guest characters. You were never going to make me go "YO THAT'S OD!" like I'm fucking Jwong getting slipped a $20 by a corpo to shill their game by adding Ronaldo and some fucking DJ to cotwAdd some real fucking characters. Add some hot bitches to your game.
>>576957331I hate this card!
>>576958450>I do not care about guest characters>...with the SOLE EXCEPTION of Spawn Mortal Kombat
>>576961507Spawn is the only character that fit in to the world he was guest charactering in to, aside from Ken/Chun in to FF and Mai/Terry in to SF, but if I wanted to play K/C/M/T I'd just buy FF/KoF/SF
>>576958450When they did Heihachi and Darth Vader it was cool.Now it's just cringe fortnite shit
>>576963616Starkiller was cooler thoughbeit. Geralt was *okay* at best.Shit like 2B, Noctis, Kenshiro, and whatever other gay shit is retarded.
who the fuck is starkiller
>>576965152
>>576965152force unleashed protagonist and star wars biggest edge Lord and most impressive non-canon force user
>>576964363>>576966058>anon's OC Donut Steel>coollol even
>>576964363Where was Starkiller a guest character?
>>576966640Soulcalibur IV
>>576966141>biggest edge Lordoh, that explains something alright
Egdelords are cool. The alternative is gay shit like what we currently get.
the last blade 3 is going to be photorealistic
>>576967198it's not a this or that or nothing, edgelords attract the mexes and yurosit's not a surprise snk's fanbase is full of that typethe kind that unironically says "nothing personnel kid" while he edits mugen characters to be grimdark and godmodded, making them beat up an edited omega tom hanks out of spite
>>576967553Whites like edgelords too but they don't admit it publicly because it's "cringe" and you'd be ashamed if like, a cool black guy saw you say it or something
>>576968145yeah if they're nerdy losers that people bully and they want to "get revenge"
>>576968747t. mad that edge GODS run this shit
>>576968854lolthat explains why snk sells like shit
>>576969015No Fatal Fury just has dogshit edgelords
>>576969261kind of hard to avoid when the idea itself is dogshit
Be honest: How does CotW compares to SF6?I love SNK characters x1000 compared to SF but to be honest bros I don't know if I will make it if I choose CotW. I don't know if it will keep me entertained, if I'm going to make it considering how hard they say this game is. And I don't want to just waste my time on an IP that will probably get canned considering the very low active player base...
>>576969780oh, they totally got "3 years of support"! you can play it without worrying it'll get canned for another year and a half (theoretically)but the player count on the other hand lol
>>576969780it might feel boring compared to sf6 desu you can't force retarded offense, neutral is sluggish, defense and ofense is pure hell as you have to know how to abuse the game's complicated mechanicsi'd say either go back to xv or keep on sliming
Whn can I expect the session pass 3 discount to come?
>>576966779Starkiller's game wasnt even out when that game released
>>576964363Kenshiro's a cooler add than most of the guys you mentionedI still dislike CotW regardless because it's unfun to play, if I enjoyed it I'd tolerate rapenaldo and max being in there
Harada's studio is going to do something dumb like an original IP hero shooter, I can just feel it
>>576975570I expect Windjammers 3
I don't expect Twinklestar Sprites 3, but I demand it.
>>576976408Most people don't even know that the second one exists.
>>576976408>Twinklestar Spriteswho?
>>576976548>>576976627>SNK allows a thirsty pailoli to exist in one of their games>nobody noticesPersonally, I kneel
>>576976627>who?things said when someone asked about hat ken
>>576977151>SNK allowsmaybe old snk, nu snk prolly doesn't even know that lolicious franchise exists lmao
Surprising amount of references to SNK on Tokon
>>576979797Only clinically contrarians could undervalue SNK's legacy.Equally, only clinically naive people could believe that modern SNK will be a hit simply because of the legacy it once had 30 years ago.
>>576976627faggot secondary
>>576975323Kenshiro would be cooler in literally in any other setting, hell even KOF now that it has retarded multiverse shit.
>>576990765>Only clinically contrarians could undervalue SNK's legacy.legacy doesn't pay the bills>>576992086i like kenshiro being in the game, but how he's in the game kind of dampens it for melike he just feels like another one of the characters, similar enough gameplan of find a setup to do your feint strings into ex ex ex dm hidden gear or w/e and it's just not interesting, it's not fun to watch in action eitherlike ronaldo, like him or hate him, he's one of the more fun characters to watch in action by someone who can play him because his mechanics offer something a bit more refreshing, especially for snk who doesn't really venture outside of its comfort zone in terms of mechanics like thatbut kenshiro, there's just nothing to him that's mechanically interesting at all so it's just another one of the boys
>>576969780>How does CotW compares to SF6?I think for better of for worse, COTW is a "better SF6". Still slow and with the characters a bit "heavy" but without retarded stuff like Drive Rush and throw loops. Just Defend and its cancels are better than drive parries and Rev Blow at least is limited to just a 1/3 of the the HP bar but just if not even more retarded than DI. I just never went back to SF6 since I got COTW if I want to play a "modern street figther-ish" game. But I don't put that much work on it and still play KOF and other games more than this one.It's fun, have its problems but far from feeling awful like I used to when playing SF6.
>>576914754>>576927756Garou MOW may have been unpopular overall, but I still think it was the most popular Fatal Fury before CotW -- even when continuing to lose players to age, real life responsibilities, other games, etc.Japan still has Fatal Fury Special, RB2, and MOW communities. But EU, MENA, China, NA, and SA have mostly MOW communities. And after CotW finishes (after Seasons 4 and 5, according to the leaks), MOW might return back to the TOP (pun intended).
>>576997680The main reason for this is because it's ironically the least gimmicky Fatal Fury game. The second-least gimmicky is Fatal Fury Special, which was more or less fixing Fatal Fury 2 being pretty unplayable dogshit. The Real Bout Sub-Series is a completely different beast most people would never bother even wanting to learn because it doesn't function at all like a "regular 2D fighting game" and since MotW kinda treated the Real Bout series as expendable beyond Terry, in the grander scheme of things people outside of Japan just don't really bother with pre-MotW Fatal Fury, which was made to be SF3's contemporaryThat also bites them in the ass with CotW's DLC which is mostly Fatal Fury vets, especially ones that have been in KOF like Andy, Joe, Mary and Geese. Like old essentials were expendable and not necessary for base roster... But being DLC doesn't make them any more hype
>>576997680>And after CotW finishes (after Seasons 4 and 5, according to the leaks), MOW might return back to the TOP (pun intended).I doubt it. COTW is pretty accessible on modern platforms and is probably the best selling Fatal Fury game of all time.We might never get another Fatal Fury after COTW. At least not a fighting game but I think it'll be the most popular one.
Revenge https://ismarveltokonfixed.netlify.app/
>>577012617what was that rhetoric, that only snk gets this kind of thing done to themnow they can't claim sole victimhood anymorewho am i kidding they still will
>>577012715We're just joining in on the fun after what was done to us. We'll be here at 5AM when Tokon's Steamcharts drop to ~3,000 as well tonight.
>>577012901but will someone be there to be like "wlel ackshall umMmm ps version gotted more player!11 duhhh you dont know player count development"
no doubt
The protagonist of Heroines 2 (or KOF16, if SNK wants "diversity")
>>577020694don't speaki know just what you're saying
>>577020825I'm okay with this
>>577012901We are, we are the shaken (Shaken)We are the monsters (Monsters) underneath your bedYeah,believe what you readWe are, we are mistaken (Mistaken)We are the voices (Voices) inside your headYeah, believe what you see
you know snk fans are losers when they're so happy a rival game is doing badly. You never saw capcom fans being happy cotw flopped, they're irrelevant and pity.
>>577032625This. SNK fan base have a massive main character syndrome and think another game failing is some kind of karma for all the criticism SNK gets. The reality is if SNK didn't make games that look like 2 generations old dogshit with terrible online they’d avoid half the hate.Also, they should honestly be grateful that all eyes are on Tokon right now. They literally just dropped the AOF3r beta, which was genuinely one of the most nauseating online experiences I've ever had the misfortune of playing. Whoever approved releasing a beta this garbage needs to be fired on the spot.I'm not happy about what's happening to Tokon, but if the backlash forces ArcSys to fix the PC version sooner, then I'll take it. Unlike SNK, who took a whole damn year to fix KOF's matchmaking even while getting review bombed by their own fan base.
>>577037016>but if the backlash forces ArcSys to fix the PC version sooner, then I'll take itThis is the "fixed" version. Remember, ArcSys said all the PC issues from the beta would be fixed by launch on those 7 days or whatever. Regardless the damage is done, Max uninstalled the game and told his viewer base to refund or play only the PS5 version with crossplay disabled. First impressions are everything, right? Even if it is fixed, they won't be bothered to come back and crossplay is forever fucked because no one will even trust or bother to re-enable it. And this is ON TOP of the other issues the perfunctory launch has, like the matchmaking not working at all and lobbies being broken.
>>577028010Why is kain acting like he isn't also a low tier?
>>577039816old drawing
>>577039603>Max uninstalled the game and told his viewer base to refund Brutal
>>577032625>You never saw capcom fans being happy cotw flopped
>>577028010And how things are going right now?
>>577045359She's still low tier in COTW and just got nerfed in SF6. She's not as bad as in COTW, but her days as a top 8 queen in SF6 are likely over.
>>577042707most of them don't even pay attention to snk's existence going by when they list even mortal kombat in whatever lists they create and not even mention an snk game at all
>>577032625Nigger I just hate Sony
>>577039603What if the patch today actually manages to fix most of the problems on PC?
>>577048839And most of SNK fans don't speak English or post on anonymous imageboards. You're here arguing with a fraction of a fraction.
>>577059147and where do they interactdiscord with all them groomerstheir little cartel treehousesome favela gettogether outside a bodega
>>577059446At the arcade cabinet in Rugal Taco.
>Tokon patch seemingly already fixed the performance AND matchmaking issues for mostOh no no bros it took SNK over a year to even acknowledge that KOF 15 had Matchmaking problems, and even more time to actually deal with it. Yet it only took Arcsys under a week to make great strides in fixing their game. How did Arcsys become so much more superior to SNK?
>>577062725>>Tokon patch seemingly already fixed the performance AND matchmaking issues for mostIt's totally fixed bros! MH Wilds is safe to play now. BUY! BUY! BUY! BUY!
>PC version still borked with 50ms ping matches still giving you 7+ rollback frames>And the matchmaking is still busted>Crashes still rampant It's over.
>>577062725Tokon can never be fixed with that Sony bloat stuck to the game. It's the same problem as with Monster Hunter Wilds where the DRMs has other DRM systems stacked on top of the primary DRM hampers the performance to its core.
https://x.com/i/status/2086545483376324864Look like the only person who have strong opinion about the bate
>>577065973what is with the /i/ shit replacing the name Lichmassacre
>>577065973This beta supposedly had a huge NDA to not show any gameplay which is fucking scummy.
>>577063972>>577065460>>577064201>Coping alreadyIt's done. The game will be fixed by next Monday at the latest. Just accept SNK's place as an inferior company, with not very great employees, that's only still alive because random rich guys keep buying them. Not because of anything they produce.
>>577066410You can't fix the game unless you yank out the Sony DRM, if it gets yanked out the game would have easier system requirements than CotW funnily enough.
>>577047651>>577028010What does it mean to be "low tier" in a game where every character can easily do 40% combos without super and 60%+ with a level 1?
>>577066587they probably got forced into that, and high sys reqs for snk games is ridiculous because they lookin like marvel 3
>>577065973@Grok, summary all this shit to me.
>>577070847tl;dr what balancing changes are there are really cool but the game needed more of them, especially for some of the characters
>>577070378Yes everyone is aware ArcSys got forced into a bad situation. That doesn't change the fact this shit is damaging to both ArcSys and Sony because it's a product, we're not talking about an auteur project suffering because the creator is inept. This doesn't refer to SNK either, any AAA game should either work on launch or be doomed to flopThe real nightmare is if ArcSys has to settle with all these handicaps while still pumping out DLC for Tokon and Strive since it's highly unlikely they'll be producing another fighter in the next 5 years
>>577065973Well, considering how shitty it was not being able to even map the buttons and pretty bad netcode, no wonder many cared enough.
>>577074197>The real nightmare is if ArcSys has to settle with all these handicaps while still pumping out DLC for Tokon and Striveyour company here also has a handicap, and also, if arcsys' hands are forced, that means they're being compensated for it because i wouldn't pay a guy to eat my hamburgers, i'd pay him so i can eat his hamburger>since it's highly unlikely they'll be producing another fighter in the next 5 yearsi don't think that last point is going to be a real scenario
>>577066320It had one for streaming but apparently no actual enforcement
>>577066320>This beta supposedly had a huge NDA to not show any gameplaythe fuck? it's a decades old gamethe fuck kind of nda is thatis this something you're making up
>>577085128NTA but it's true. I was in the form you signed for the beta.https://x.com/unserioustense/status/2080276489166073968
>>577065973Honestly the game never really had a chance to thrive in first place
>>577085503>"Streaming is prohibited">Are you guys stupid?he took the words right out of my mouthkk why are you working for such airheads, go work for sega because at least they're airheads who bank on persona which is a close relative of what you like
Andy is gay
>>577085128>>577085503>>577085710FIRE ODA NOOOOOOWWWW
Kyo is a lucky man.
>>577092248>please don't stream this terrible dogshit betaok
>>577092731It did bear out to be a wise decision...
Isn't forbiding to stream the closed beta tests normal? What's up with this fake outrage?I mean one can argue that it is silly to apply this to decades old game, but also it's not like there's a huge audience missing out on watching the gameplay so it is a nothingburger either way.
>>577095769closed beta test for a new game, yeah it would make sensebut it's goddamn aof3it doesn't even have yuri and king playable in this beta
>>577092286athena is for chin
>>577092286'98 dress with short hair is something I never knew I wanted.
I friended a bunch of people who were playing the AOF3 beta after our sets, and the general consensus is>I like game but how change controls>oh damn I didn't know you lived that far away, that played smooth thoe>"your ass is lucky they didn't let me pick Jin, but also no I will NOT run it back in Fightcade" - some random guy>"how'd you know I was a Karman main?" - guy who was turtling with KasumiOh and the game randomly froze my controls and my opponent's at the same time on exactly ONE occasion but we got control back after the round and we have no idea how or why
>>577096789She has long hair there but I agree with you anon.
>>577099182>Oh and the game randomly froze my controls and my opponent's at the same time on exactly ONE occasion but we got control back after the round and we have no idea how or whyOh, that happened to me as well. Even lost the match to timeout.
How many of you have been to or ran a cotw or kof 15 local. Not major event but a local?
>>577109112Does playing with bros for fun count as a local?
>>577109112I haven't been to a local since before KOFXV dropped but it would have been nice
>>577109112When Duck comes out I might "go pro" if they don't fuck him up and start with locals
>>577109112Recently, there's been a monthly local near here that usually run animefighters and older games. Funny how the last one had Azumanga Fighter as the most popular tournament (second one was Avatar game with more entrants than Tokon) and that one is a top tier example of what a kusoge is. Not only the regular characters have a bunch of references or even the same attacks/buttons as SNK/GG characters but the EX versions of some characters are straight up adaptations of known characters like EX Osaka being Sol Badguy and EX Kagura being rekka Kyo. Still pretty fun.Last one didn't have any SNK fighter but last month had one with XV, '98, COTW and Samsho7 and all of them had like 15~30 entrants each besides the casual freeplay. It's way more fun playing casuals locally, thrash talking, helping each other than just playing online.I would say that most impressive was the '98 finals running on a real MVS board in an old TV and all with the players pulling EX Kyo's infinites against Chris j.CD.>>577116530Yeah. No need for tournaments. Just have fun.
>>577116530Yes. if sex is involved.
>>577066320
>>577124556
>>577066320im assuming maybe cause this is just very early and not being used as a promotional bit like most game betas and given how many people will just whine instead of give any kind of decent feedback thats why they have a nda
>>577066320>>577085503>>577085710>>577092248HEY ODA
>>577137812They at least should give some guidelines if this was really a pure network test. And send the feedback form right after the beta ended.
>>577133904Ryo is gay
I tried kofxiii online for the first time and immediately got my ass kicked by the number 3 guy on the leader bored ;(
Was KOF always safe jump slop or is that primarily a XV thing?
>>577159473KOF pretty much always had many ways to do safejumps yeah, but rewarding ones were less common outside of the corner in the older games. It's a natural consequence of hops existing
>>577153819Yeah, games that have few people playing tend to be like that. I got completely destroyed when I tried the AOF3R. It's better to find people that you know to spar/play casually than going against randoms.
>>577086378Imagine wanting men instead
>>577172690Yeah, I want more men.
>>577184106add Momoko
saves snk
>>577193696>Fuck yourself, Aura
>>577013952>but will someone be there to be like "wlel ackshall umMmm ps version gotted more player!11 duhhh you dont know player count development"Yes
>>577198192>damage controlclassic
Release PlayStation chart
Since it seems like somebody on Twitter might get mad if I point this out, Marvel Tokon's number be doing like>ooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOooooo
>>577207234>people go to sleep>line goes down>people wake up>line goes upWoah...
>>577212556You're not supposed to point that out
>>577207234It's over. The "break glass in case of emergency" patch did nothing.
Good thing no one played Aof3 beta so no one is complaining.
>>577220278haha yeah it's not like we were talking about it yesterday or the day before
>>577193696Duck King looks like that?
>>577235489one of my favorite things of olde was on orochinagi's forums when some shitposter came on roleplaying as chizuru's bird chi-chan and professing the greatness of geese howard and insulted every other poster for not living up to geese's standards of living and discipline and whatnotand then eventually another guy started doing the same but with wyler and that was lol at the time
>>577235763>not living up to geese's standards of livingYeah sorry for not having a fucking recreation of a Japanese manor at the top of a skyscraper
>>577235872well that's the thing, the chi-chan poster was doing it to illicit exactly the kind of reaction you're givingbut when wyler entered the scene to counter geesefagging, that's when it became hilarious
I'm looking forward to someone disliking (rightfully or otherwise) a hypothetical Art of Fighting 4 so that people start calling it Shart of Farting or something
>>577236631
It would be nice if SNK let this anime shill them a little
>>577245638i thought this show only ever went on about street fighter,plus im assuming they never asked
>>577245638>SNK letafter the hi score girl drama no one wants to be involved with them
>>577247952>hey so like I'm going to use your copyrights for a full anime series without running a single fucking thing by you
woosh
Yeah put me in the screencap for the subreddit
Quick! Watch it before they take it down!https://youtu.be/bLamj6ap9zU?t=242
just other bullshit
>>577262751You just know
Duck trailer when?
>>577279556Sunday or Monday most likely
>>577280113Tuesday I day
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
>>577303713goodnight
>>577235489>>577235763>Wyler>OrochinagiWyler is God
>>577295908Lucky Ralf
I wonder what they'll do to the rest of the cast in AOF3RRyo felt way better to use than ever, and everyone else mostly felt the same but with some little adjustmentsWill Wyler still a stupid polarizing character with no lows
Poor, Andy.
photorealism
>>577262751INU DENSETSU
>>577245638>>577247952>>577248309If you actually watched the anime, you would know that they actually played KOF and Samsho in Hi Score Girl with a decent mention for Sieger and Ukyo considering the main focus was on SF2 and a bit of Alpha/Zero. But in this new one, Mai is completely absent from the tournament even though she is in the character select screen. And they were discussing character balance and other stuff but no mention of DR throw loops. So I guess they'll have EVO Japan with SF6 without any Mai there.
>>577317268Lucky Ryu
>>577341083There's nothing lucky about having to deal with femo*ds.
