Main website: https://relink.granbluefantasy.jp/enWiki: https://relink.gbf.wiki/>FAQsBase game FAQ: https://rentry.org/RelinkFAQER DMG rundown: https://rentry.co/ytczavom>Patch 2.0.3 detailshttps://relink-ragnarok.granbluefantasy.com/en/updates/392/>Send your feedback herehttps://relink.granbluefantasy.jp/en/app/feedbackPrevious Thread: >>576544703
Grubs for this feel?
Might have fed her too many pancakes
>>576889496Bubz infinity farm3/4
Thank you for putting the contents of yesterday's announcement livestream in the OP image, it is a useful way to catch up for the folks who missed it.
>>5768914464/4
>>576891483That's actually why I used that image kek
>>576891446Back to 3/4
Fediel bro you can come back, Bubz is dead
>>5768914464/4 again POOL'S CLOSED
3/4 againThe bot still got MVP
how close does tweyen have to be before falloff murders her damage
>>5768914464/4 again
>>576894090fatebreaker increases her atk to 999999 in quest so you need 666666 atk
>>576894195>>576891446thanks bwos, i'm at almost 80 and still don't get a good spartan echo
>>576891446Pool's closed for real this time, here's a crop of Djeeta kicking Bubz in the nuts.Thanks for playing, see you around!
>>576890191How to make relink numbers up with one DLC character
>>576896558Ghandabros will be happy to see his wife get in the game
>>576890484
>>576890484Damn, thats what Gwynne looks like?
I will get 4 characters to mastery level 55 legit and the rest are getting cheated in, fuck this grind
>>576897119you VILL blast slime and dragonsFKHR DEMANDS IT
>>576897119i just afk lucilius then sell summons & flower for msp
can someone tell me what this one is called? so i can at least look this fucker up and get it hopefully
>>576898427Have you checked inside the church in Folca?
>>576891009I bet floating around a lot made her limbs weak. Imagine if I just picked her up and did whatever I wanted with her? Harvins don't have rights in the skydom right?
>>576898841it's already picked up
>>576898843>Harvins don't have rights in the skydom right?That is correct.
What's a good mission to farm legendary merits? It's making quite a bottle neck right now.
>>576898843She would dare you to pick her up, and then be incredibly flustered when you actually do but wouldnt object
whats the celestial tier list again, is it ventus>aqua>incendo>terra?
>>576900615ventus>aqua>>>POWERGAP>>>terra>>>incendo nyx is good but only if you are running a build specifically for playing at low hp like concentration io
>>576900615VentusAqua>gapLumen/Nyx>>>powergapTerra>>>>>Great Wall of relevanceutter dogshitKekcendo
>Running conflux until the first boss and existing is 20 Refinium 1This is okay
>>576900615>>576900804Lumen after aqua.
I've never thought about this but does more damage during Break state really change a lot?
>>576890191So, where are the costumes that our creative director promised us?Where's my Grand Zeta outfit, Cygames?
>>576902540"Break" isn't just the state after Overdrive runs out, but it also includes Link Time and any attack done to the boss during SBA/Chain Burst/Primal Burst hitstunCelestial Aqua is deceptively powerful
>>576898427That one should be in the Folca church bedroom
>>576902756Wait, what? I mean I know that it's written in the description but I still didn't get it. I'm so stupid.Does it work during Overdrive?
>>576902926No, it doesn't work in OD. A lot of things don't work in OD. You would use Incendo if you want cap break for Overdrive.Don't use Indendo.
>>576902807>>576898841this one was weird. the church bedroom always had one pickup in it, but I needed to complete the final storyline quest again before it showed up. the save is very old and I think something didn't get converted correctly (or thr latest patch fixed it silently)
>advised power level for infinity is 45k>power level is 50k, every character has max ascension, fatebreaker, lumen, ventus, aqua, damage cap, war elemental, 5 basic sigils, mastery trait 2>still cant meet dps checks and quest timer runs outwhat the fuck is going on here am I supposed to just be mastery trait 5 or something or am I just turbo shit
relink-logs keeps crashing my game stupid ass vibecoded trash
>>576903606which quest? are you playing with AI?if it's hexa, you may want to play coop because that one has very tight dps check
>>576903732Ive tried the world and beezlbub so far, failed them both with ai
>>576903606>mastery 2you're trolling yourself tbqhpower level numbers are rough ballparks and not reflective of actual performance
>>576903676we told you this piece of shit is the reason people randomly disconnect during quest
>>576903791the world requires perfect guard since his hp is scaled up to account for perfect guard x4 damagebeelz is just a long fight, basically you need to do full burst to get full link time, bring maxed stun power for these infinity bosses
>>576903828but it has better sigil effects breakdown than the dogshit ingame ui i tweak my build a lot so i need it to confirm that i didn't forget anything
>>576903828I've never had a problem with it. Does it make others crash somehow?
Drain or Regen for tranny Terminus?
>>576905975You posted the same sigil page twice, so I dunno what's on the upper half of your listI would replace Aegis for the Crab sigil, but I can't say anything more than that with limited information.
Can I improve my 7 build at all? I'd like to get in immortal shell but otherwise I'm a little capped on space
>>576906246Yeah I realized it too late, sorry, see above>>576906273
>>576906273Aegis + Autorevive if you're confident enough in your survivability to rely on Potion Hoarder alone for revives.You have Stout Heart + Steel Nerves + Drain (and potentially Crab) so you should be pretty hard to kill.Also try to grt a better Lv10 Wrightstone skill if you can. Combo Booster isn't doing anything, but of course the Supp 15 is the most important part
huh.... i didn't know Natural Defenses could roll on dragons are they any good? shame i'd have to remove stout heart summon to fit this.
>>576907098I forgot what this does so it can't be good
>>576907186DMG Taken from Debuffs -30%Debuff Duration -30%Movement Restriction -30%
>>576906273Is that class sigil worth it? It's pre-dlc so I'd assume it doesn't increase your cap, and you already run stout heart and drain
>>576903606>what the fuck is going on here am I supposed to just be mastery trait 5Yes, getting there means a lot of cap and some nice stats
for Sandy wings build (skill spam), I'm starting to wonder if Talviyo (teleporting slash) is even worth it the final hit has to land for the angel meter to fill up, but the way the bosses are in ER they can just move the fuck outta way while you're midair waiting for the final hit to land. this shit's especially bad against Beelz. not to mention all the lead-up 11 slashes don't even land half the time because tracking teleport distance is really short. so it's something like ~80% guarantee that you can enter angel mode after use. and during the "casting" period waiting for all 11 slashes to fucking finish, you aren't doing any damage depending on boss movement. >just wait for the good time to use it bro yeah, but that means this is a dead slot until the correct stationary phase of the boss fight. when does that happen in ER? never, i say. i am gonna slot in another skill that allows skill->finisher loop instead of Talviyo. a huge fuckton of this supposed "skill spam" mastery tree is finishers anyway.
>>576906273I haven't got around to building Seofon yet, but for sure I would say you want to replace aegis with stronghold. For all my characters around 120k HP is good enough if you are running steel nerves + stronghold and the def mastery trait. For general sigils you can look to replace, I'd say HP (40% dmg cap isn't a big deal and the HP benefit is nothing) and autorevive (potion hoarder should suffice, just think about if you are actually getting value off autorevive, cause this used to be a staple of mine as well until I realized I barely got downed anymore)If your skills are super important I would go all in with quick cooldown or uplift if you feel like you lag behind on SBAs
>>576907916There is something unattractive about Zeta for me but I don't understand what exactly.
Do you guys use that Celestial thing which gives you 70% of Damage Cup for -30% of Max HP?
>>576906927Trying for the wrightstone grind, I have been at 99999 multiple times and many many transmarvels. It's a shit grind.
>>576908449no it sucks
>>576909142Really? 70% sounds pretty tasty.
>>576909196It's additive to your already existing damage cap from all sources like masteries, weapon, skills, overmasteries. I think some anons or someone else compiled the sources and you end up with 2000% damage cap or something.It's still something if you plan on never getting hit.
>>576909196It's not. Especially when there's another celestial that does the same thing without hurting your hp. Most people are around 2000% cap or higher. So that 70% comes out to roughly 3% more damage. If you have absolutely nothing else to run for damage go for it but it's not important.
>>576909196it is fine if you are still early on in the chaos missions
>>576907916That's my bro right there
huh, so this is what a build of a deadweight in infinity looks like, just got them a beelzebub win too despite critical gauge being close to 0. have fun with them on luci!
I wanna run a Society party but the AI seems to be pretty bad at piloting Vaseraga. Not that he's dying a whole lot or anything, and I don't have the means to parse his damage output, but he's always trailing way behind in SBA meter, like everyone will be at 100 and he'll still be at 50, which kinda indicates to me that there's a problem. How should I build him?
>>576911634I don't think vas can work as an AI, since it would need to be able to predict when it's a good time to use all his cooldowns and take the time to charge the long attacks. A vas that's properly hitting targets doesn't need uplift at all.
>>576911829Yeah that's sorta what I was thinking unfortunately. That his playstyle might be too deliberate to really function as an AI party member. It's a bummer cause I want a Society party but I also don't really wanna play him myself; I enjoy Zeta's gameplay much more.
I'm not gay
What do i do as id when I fuck up and miss a fourfold?
>>576912303...but
>was the highest level in the party>didn't get MVPEven after 200 hours I don't understand this game.
Who is this
point-blank question, i come from /svg/ i know nothing of gbf (only some characters from sv expansions)is relink worth playing? can i enjoy it as a standalone game?
>>576914417Yes, don't expect an exceptional story (though I still found it enjoyable with some hype moments), but the gameplay is pretty damn good and the main reason to play the game.
>>576914417>can i enjoy it as a standalone game?Yes. You don't need to play gacha to enjoy it.
>>576914417>know nothing of gbf It's not required to know anyone in gbf. Frankly the characters in this game are memorable by themselves, for example, just after an hour you will know who DE ARIMAS is. >enjoy it as a standalone game?It IS a standalone game, but if you're particular about lore, you do need some grub knowledge... but honestly the story is boilerplate jrpg shit. The gameplay carries 99% of the experience.
>Screen gets filled with random bullshitOther than the World and Hexa, I'm guessing nobody here has done a no hit yet? The random fuck ass attacks from Bubs and Faa make me wanna kill myself. And Versa I guess, it isn't that bad but I feel there's something there to make it nonsense too
>>576913657Inferior jobber clone, especially in sexuality
>2 runs of Conflux 3 give you 90k MSPThe only problem is that 1 run takes more than 4 minutes so slimes with randoms is still the best way to farm MSP if you can't farm 4 dragons
>>576916275Why are you even farming MSP if you can't AFK dragons? And I say AFK, but you get an obvious fourth from recruitment so you only need 3. Just play the damn game, you'll get there
So the best Vane is crux right?
>>576916392>Why are you even farming MSP if you can't AFK dragons?Because only Infinity left?
>Full Assist Mode works online
>>576918565Try it on Infinity.
>>576907926You only use it at the very start of the battle to get into angel mode ASAP and later on as an emergency iframe button.
>>576914729>>576914730Thanks, I will check it out then.Yeas, gameplay looks very fun.I also know some of the characters so that makes me want to play it>>576914873Actually I already know DE ARIMASU because she was in a GBF expansion in SV
>perfect guarding quickening will interrupt id's charge punchBut why
>>576914236The last fire GW boss from earlier this year. Some of them have been eventually getting playable versions a year or two after their summons.
After spending time playing id with the vengeance trait I think I'd rather play Percy. Losing your skill and basically all of your damage feels terrible. Either the boss is chasing someone on the other side of the map, or teleporting, or a cutscene trigger. They all waste your skill.
I've done at least 100 fucking runs of Luci now and there's still no fucking summon
For an "ultimate" attack it sure does fuck all damage
>>576928634Just use the fucking mod.
Is that good enough for my first Infinity quest?
>>576931371Better than what I had.
>>576931371>he doesn't give his rosetta head to gain additional dmg cap
>>576931035It's okay I just got it
so running 5 basic stat sigils is basically mandatory for the extra damage cap?
>>576932619>45>skill damageBack to the rice fields with you
>>576932749It's what I wanted anyway because most of Naru's damage comes from Setsuna.Would be nice to get normal for other characters though.
>>576932670Running 3 stun sigils is highly recommended because some of Infinity's stun checks are brutal, and with master traits you get +120% cap with it. If you've got room for two other basics go for it, but they're comparatively low value.
>>576932670all 5 is not mandatory , you pick them up based on which configuration gives you the most cap per slot for example I replaced a HP+Supp sigil with Terra+Supp sigil, effectively netting me 30% extra cap for 30%+ ish HP cost. I only did it on Sandy because I'm reasonably confident that he can avoid a lot of the aoe effects by how his kit always throws him up in the air
>>576932670I usually just go with 4 unless the character is flexible enough to have space for a 5th.
>>576931371it's fine. Although more supp and dmg cap would be better. And firm stance for Beelz.
>>576919863do you just run maxed quick cooldown or something? there WILL be times when you have to PE normals because nothing is available and having that 4th slot occupied with literally anything other than tele-slash sounds like it'd help it just doesn't reliably fill the meter due to boss movements
Rolan must not be popular
i went back to the conflux in the hope of some ragnites and its unironically faster to just kill Maglielle(stunner) and the Crab(defender) over doing fucking runs of this shit, what even is the fucking point of it again? https://x.com/jingai_club/status/2064621273041568188
>>576940737The crabwave mission will definitely give you buttload more ragnite than conflux ever will, and can be easily AFK farmed as well.Go figures.
Behold, my ultimate form!
>>576941913If all 27 year olds looked like this there wouldn't be any left over women.
>>576910137i do wonder if these people think they're doing "not good but not terrible" with these builds. the game really gives you no reference point in how much of a contributor (or a drag) you are to the party. i think it should at least list out warnings in the score screen that's only visible to you, something like >you did the lowest damage in the party>you did the lowest stun in the party etc etc
>>576942245Games nowdays are too scared to tell the player you "played like shit" because they dont want their feelings hurt>>576910137they had FoF equipped and apparently still died alot this guy has no hope
>>576942245>>you did the lowest damage in the party>>you did the lowest stun in the partyI think instead of that you should have straight up a graph you can consult it wont be bitchy like the other anon said but it will just shock the player correctly if they were dogshit
>>576941913Very impressive, Maglielle.However...
so the usuals suspects are here no wonder the other thread its better than usual
is any character in this game actually fun to playbecause so far i haven't found any
>>576944645whats fun?
>>576944645whats so far?
>>576944564>usuals suspectsThere's no seething at women or cuckposting here though?
>>57694481680 hours
I still have fun just slashing shit up with Neechang but I'm a simple man.
>>576942245the game by default should really have some way to measure your performance, a third-party tool shouldn't be necessary. I only got it to measure my own performance and see how different characters/builds perform, but it really stands out when players like that surface, and it is obvious they just completely coasted through online play.
>>576944956Not sure why you went through 80 hours of not fun gameplay, but it is clear you won't find any character fun at that point
>>576945379the combo system feels very clunky and in fatebreaker especially the bosses start jumping around the arena making it impossible to maintain uptime on melee, so even when the combo system works it feels like the game does its best to screw you out of engaging with it properly
>>576944645fraux is pretty fun
Assist mode is disabled for defy infinity but I've never played a second of the game myself
>>576945030nta but do you put any uplift on her or cascade/quick cd?
>>576946841I don't use any uplift nowadays. Quick cooldown yes and cascade yes atm. I'm thinking about trying to swap out cascade for something else though. Maybe when I can get some better Bubs/Luci summons to further optimize shit.
>>576947117just one line of each?
>>576946758Why
there's got to be some kind of data out there that shows how exactly Cascade works even between fast attack spam moves, it seems to reduce cooldowns at a different rate
>>576947590It probably has a different modifier for each move, just like the attack modifier and damage cap itself is different
>>576942245coming from other coop games, its most likely not even that, even if the game gave them a warning or anything, a good amount of people(specially newer gens) literally dont give a shit about "learning" in the first place, they just play at their own leisure, in their own way, for them its just a way to "unstress", same way you hop on a moba, fps or a battle royale and play matches regardless of the outcome, sure in games like this theres the excuse of "theres not even a ranked/pvp mode bro you gotta chill", but this fuckers also behave the same on ranked modes, they just dont give a shit about anything other than themselves because a lot of games nowadays let them get away with being selfish cunts when the game was hella dead i went to a lot of places for help getting some achievements i was missing, and had to give up on "Master of Relink" because i was dealing with literal babies, on twitter in specific i saw a lot of "very very tanky Id build(99kHP) with Provoke to not die for Lucilius" or some variants for Vane and Sieg, needlees to say those people didnt hit the dps/stun checks at all lol, on some unoficial discords i even came across people with Super Ultimate Perfect Dodge, Berserker or Glasscannon on characters like Ferri and Cag, lmao(tho i did came across some Warpath Charlottas that could at least pull that shit off) i imagine most those people probably wanted an FF14 raid class role experience on a game that doesnt even offer thatlately on Hexa i've seen a lot of people at least going for tank builds on Ascencion weapons, but theyre all just copy pasted stuff from YT shorts that barely even work for that(no Perfect Dodge? no Echo? rly?) with Stun numbers bellow 200 and god fucking knows wtf is going on in the Mastery Traits, these people are just expecting to be carried and thats it, but the problem is that most of them wont even leave the game after "experiencing the content" and will keep draggin people down for who knows how fucking long
>>576947590Almost none, i remember some anon TRYING to make a breakdown but besides noticing what you said, on Y finisher moves specifically, being more effective.
>>576947480Why not
>>576947590https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HFMoDSUM3T9JsuGX1rP0tkjAZZnXxF58LFQzP-8mYoU/
>>576948074Who the fuck even made this? Is there any logic behind this? It looks like they wanted something complex but wtihout any logic behind this.
I play a bad character online so people will judge me less
>>576947297Yeah just one of each atm. I get the feeling two quick cooldowns or maybe maxing it might be a good idea. Sometimes I play like shit though and have some extra defense to give me wiggle rooms in other people's quests though. Don't want to be a floorhugger neechang.
>>576946841not him but I use at least 1 uplift, which has somewhat helped with offsetting the warpath if I mash enough in blue stance. Although sometimes it's still not enough to catch up with chains.
>>576948037good point i guess
>>576948074>Unlike the drain cap, however, this factor is always less than 1: No individual hit in the game will provide the full -2% cooldown reduction promised in Cascade 20’s description.
>>576948074>The Motion Value of the move was always used as the main factor that determines how much an attack extends the link time bar during link time, and how much skill cooldown reduction is provided from the Cascade sigil. In Endless Ragnarok, Motion Value is now additionally used to determine the damage cap of an attack, as well as its drain cap. come the fuck on man this is literally "statistics is my passion" tier of design
>>576948074>one guide says that Maglielle likes Cascade to maximize uptime on her gun skill>this guide says that projectiles (AKA her entire kit) don't apply Cascade properly with supp damage, and her motion value is low meaning she doesn't get a lot of mileage out of itI don't understand...do I slot this thing or not?
>>576949036Personally I don't seem to have issue keeping up with SBA chains. I did grab her SBA gain +10% if at 6 butterflys so that might be helping. I'm not often starting SBA chains but I usually generate enough to always help combo them even without uplift.
>>576950076You can help everyone in the thread and lab it with timer I can do it myself but only tomorrow
>>576934706The most important thing is to get into angel mode as soon as the fight starts so you can get the rotation going. Even if you put any other skill there you will still need to do perfect executions since your regular skills will usually only be up every other rotation. It also works as insurance in case you need to stay in angel form longer to facetank stuff and you miss the window for the gauge refund.
Balance patch when
>>576950268Once I'm done with my AFK grinding for the day I'll probably go do thatNeed Bubz to drop the damn normal cap already :<
I just got to endgame what does bubs want on a summon
>>576951013moot ate my inage
>>576951013>SkillsSpartan EchoSupp DMG Lv14+>SubstatsNA CapSkill CapStun
are there any guides for the infinity bosses out there?
Is that one node which gives you 50% of damage cap for giga debuffs supposed to be a trap?
>>576951505There may be but do you really need them? Can't just trial by fire that shit?
>>576951757I already beat them all a couple of times but I never felt like I did much, I pretty much stumbled through all of them I would say.
>>576951013Spartan Echo's the ideal, since the sigil can't be synthesized for endgame optimizationCelestial Lumen and Supp are also greatDMG Cap isn't optimal but the loss on summon vs sigil is minorhell if Drain and Improved Guard are effects you like you can cope with everything he has to offer
>>576951757I don't want Chinese players to be mad at me :(
translate it weebs
>>576950164>I'm not often starting SBA chains but I usually generate enough to always help combo them even without uplift.Well my main problem was with being the second in a chain and failing to get that little bit of extra SBA to continue it. I don't know if that's on the randos I play with, or on how I play, but after I started using uplift I had less problems with situations like that. I've been using the SBA butterfly gain thing you mentioned as well but it didn't feel like enough on it's own.
>>576952384"nankin no happen"
>>576951895>>576951964I really don't think there is much to say about Infinity besides:-Try to perfect guard Quickening in the World-Dodge yellow lines and guard spikey red ones when fighting Bubs.-Please focus on Lucillius instead of swords on The End.-Try to save a revival potion or what have you so you aren't dead whenever everyone needs you to finish a link time.I think you are pretty safe playing here or in a /v/ thread. You're more likely to get people that will just give you advice than straight up make you feel stupid.
>>576951964host it
who is OBJECTIVELY the easiest character to play
>>576952384>gay with loser iconLMAO
>>576948074>mentions "motion value">doesn't list the motion values okaygreat effort, needs an editor where the fuck do i find the motion values? >>576948403it lets them deliberately cook the curves to tune the game in the direction they want for example, they wouldn't be able to get this graph out of a single function (well they COULD, but do you really want a piecewise function with exponentials in your videogame when a single linear function with bracketed inputs would approximate the curves for a fraction of cycles?)
>>576952759I guess Vane.
Explain to me the dark flame gimmick in infinity bahamut I don't get it
>>576952759Charlotta, Fediel(?), Ferry, apparently sandy as well
>>576953040It involves the darkflame and is very gimmicky.
>>576952384huh, I played with this guy like 12 hours ago, makes me wonder if he's just been playing non-stop since
>>576953040don't stand in the fire
>>576953354>permanently online neet in japan pls be a cute messy girl just like in my animes
If I'm not damage capping on the dummy do I need a damage sigil
>>576953612how post build
>>576953040>first markYou now have a bomb strapped to your chest, but your damage output more than doubles>second markYou explode
>>576952916to add to this since he was the most recent character I built, he pretty much tanks everything. his damage is average at best, but you don't have to think much. he does have really high stun powerbut in terms of being mechanically easy with needing little knowledge, I want to say Rackam with a turbo setting and coffinmaker mastery trait
>>576952387Don't you want turbo fast SBA so you can whiff it for Kaleidoscope buffs even without going into full burst chains? Unless you're not using the kaleidoscope MT.
>>576953612Change the dummy setting to chaos. The dummy is retarded and is on normal so your fatebreaker sigils aren't active.
>>576953040Being affected by Darkflame gives 200% (?) ecoes. The Boss, much like The World, is a HP sponge so you need this.Killing ID gives you Darkflame for 40 (?) secondsAll of Bahamut's attacks inflict Darkflame but dont last nowhere near as killing IDBahamut's attack have reduced guard break so you can block anything from him to get a quick source of Darkflame Being attacked by Bahamut while under the effect Darkflame will cause an explosion and most surely 1 shot you, supposedly its an AoE and can affects allies, desu never noticed it.Ideally you want to "finish" ID while Baha isnt flying around or beg he gets close buring a SBA chain blend him both together.ID gets stronger and more aggressive once Baha reaches 50%
Made a fansite for relink and it got immediately banned from the Discord lol
>>576954619i'm not giving you adsense clicks tell me what you posted on the website
>>576954806I updated GBFR Logs and added an upload feature so you can view and share logs online(yes that's literally all the website does)
>>576954619On one hand I hate them them trying to make Relink sound designed for single player. On the other hand that site looks like an annoying stat obsessed shithole for turbonerds.
The infinity bahamut versa is way more difficult than the other 3 because you can't fucking hit the boss ever he's always flying
>>576954947Seems like a cool resource, though I can understand the Discord guy's concern with Parserfags using it as a tool to be smug obnoxious dickheads about it (...assuming that's his actual concern here and not an excuse to gatekeep you)
>>576954947>c-cool ressource ! but this website will just encourage toxic players moreWhat a fucking faggot, it's cool but too bad you're immediately responsible for the toxic retard and not for the people that are genuinely interested in data/builds/sheets
>>576954947if i see any of the parsershitters posting dps data with me in it, i'm going to personally call you out, faggot i don't care if i topped the meters, i don't want any segment of my game activity data shared online no matter how inconsequential the actual data is this is cringe turdie shit
>>576953918I do use essence but don't see the point in doing all that. The buff is up often enough already since link attacks also trigger it.
what's fediel supposed to do during link time? everyone else i played so far lets them skip part of their rotation or just gives them infinite of whatever resource they generate.But i am not really sure what fediel gets.
>>576956065wait you want more?
>>576956065You're already in permanent link time bwo.
>>576955004>having a paser's main usage being online parse sharing no longer qualifies it as a meme number logger for personal usageDunno man I kinda agree.
Are we saved
>>576957669>looks at the thread OP imageNo. Our fate is over, even.
>>576956480I don't know if you agree with me or if you were making a sarcastic point. I play this on console so I don't know anything about mods and whatnot. I seriously don't know what is going on. I just like playing Relink, that is all.
>>576956480It's an optional button you manually click. Everything works offline
>>576959224That's my bro right there
>>576944645An action game with cooldowns inherently cannot be fun. Cooldowns remove all form of skill expression and control from the player, and turn the game into "press these buttons in XYZ order for optimal DPS". If you want actually good combat with fun to play characters you'll have to look elsewhere, like Devil May Cry or Nioh.
anyone lobbying
DO NOT LOBBY I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GO GROCERY SHOPPING. FUCK YOU.I wanna play gaem
>https://youtu.be/UZ_yoUi1LOM>31 seconds the WORLD infinityguess the team...
>>576961216I'm so fucking tired boss
>>576961216what in the goddamn
>>576961216why does the timer stop so damn much? I thought it's only during SBA chains where time stops.Like half of the sphere phase the timer didn't move and even afterwards there was a lot of time that wasn't counted before the first SBA came out.Anyway. Holy shit this dragon waifu is completely overtuned.
>>576961216nani the fuck?
>>576963360>Like half of the sphere phase the timer didn't move and even afterwards there was a lot of time that wasn't counted before the first SBA came out.I mean this is kind of a good thing for portions like that. You can't even do damage for parts like that it kinda sucks that you are losing time at all during those bits.
Does beatrix loves me
>>576964520are you a little boy age 13 and under?
How do I play substitute danchou?
>>576965127No im a grown ass man
>>576965297then no.
How the fuck do you do infinity bahamut versa I can't even exist I just keep exploding over and over and you can NEVER hit the boss? Do I have to switch to a ranged character or something?
>>576965127why are women of the society like this? is vas a kid too? three shotas in a muscle suit? is that why zeta loves him?
>>576966036>is vas a kid too? three shotas in a muscle suit? is that why zeta loves him?That's just normal ass coworker familiarity with potential sexual tension mixed in too. That's not hard to understand at all. Don't know what the hell that beatrix post is about though.
>>576964520you tell me
why didnt these dickheads put a retry button so I could practice quickening FUCK
>>576967654It's literally rng>one run perfect block every single one>next run block at exact same timing and miss every single one
>>576967561cute
Is Beatrix actually complicated? She seems fun but I can't tell if I'm stupid. I dunno what I should be doing.
>>576967834>She seems fun but I can't tell if I'm stupid. I dunno what I should be doing.you should be fine then
>>576967834she seems pretty simple to me, not as braindead as memers would have you believe but she isn't that hard to play, what are you struggling with?
>>576967834With the clock build there's some optimization and timing it so you don't get it just when a boss runs away but generally she's pretty simple, and you can make her even easier than that by just playing the skill focused build instead
>>576968060thisi've been shilling the skilltrix build over the cocktrix build FOR FREE since people started getting into infinity skill-->finisher spam regardless of cock color is THE trixie style, no brain all mash
>>576967919>>576967983>>576968060>>576968434I'm just not smart when it comes to stance characters I guess. I can't tell what stance to be in when. I thought I would just cycle through them to get the gauge up but that feels wrong too?I only really play unga bunga characters so I feel really out of my element here.
>>576969187what trait are you playing, if you aren't playing on the clock you don't even need to change clock stance unless you want the defense or regen, just stay in red
>>576967747after doing it a couple of times I think the issue is that the timing is incredibly spacing dependent
>>576969431i wish they'd increase the block window for Improved Block already it's not like most people are getting much out of Improved Dodge / Dodge Payback anyway, what with general latency and skill issue
>>576969361I thought you had to land a finisher in each stance to get the buff?
What do I want on a wrightstone?
>>576969819as far as I can tell the primary portion is completely useless since you will have max hp stun and crit anyways, so its about the secondary 15 and 10 being what you want on the character
>>576969819Anything that's useful for you that you'd otherwise want on a sigil. the primary trait doesn't really matter at all only the second and third
>>576970137>>576970205I guess I'll roll with this then
>>576971103Hasn't this fake shit been posted before?
>>576971310what I play on PS5 I can't fake anything
>>576969662it was a bit of a blunder to not increase the timing window on that sigil, it would probably make a lot more people actually use the block
>>576971532>141% crit what's kinda annoying is that some characters have relatively low innate crit even when maxed out, so you either sacrifice one (even two) master traits for crit or have to slot in a crit wrightstone so, technically, primary stat matters for some characters
>>576971532based kat appreciator
whats the optimal way to deal damage with Vane?I have all the possible cap up available sans Incendo, Nyx and the crab. Tried both Insight and Crux, i can face tank everything and mash like a retard but the damage is not there
>>576972168I hate this fucking character I just like knight girls. I should try out Charlotta or something.>>576972151It's basically all the wrightstone here, and the over mastery but I know if I try to reroll it I'll never see the stuff I want again
>>576972502o-oh...
>>576971532BLUTGAAAAAAAAANG
>>576972502>I hate this fucking character I just like knight girls
>>576972461I tried him yesterday and I figure the tradeoff of being able to face tank everything is that your damage won't be as high, which is fair, I don't think such a character should be a top damage dealer. He does do an insane amount of stun damage at least. And I found the beatdown master trait the most consistent and best. I assumed rampart is complete garbage and the hostility one was decent, but it is annoying if your stacks drop. Beatdown stacks are incredibly easy to get.
>>576972636>>576972681You don't understand how dogshit of a character this is. I'm griefing by just being on the team.
>>576973227you doing the party wide invincibility build?
>>576973341Yes. The others feel bad too.
>>576973227people say she does no damage, but I played with one on infinity and her damage was pretty standard. glad I use the damage tracker now otherwise I would've believed all this stuff about her having unbelievably low damage.
>>576973227>I'm griefing by just being on the team.don't feel too bad some people grief by merely existing, both ingame and irl
What are the easiest and most relaxing characters to play?
>>576965127youre getting her mixed up with zeta
>>576973046Same, i started trying him yesterday and ive seen people dominate with him.Been doping some stuff that am not sure are optimal, like:Spam Breakthrough for the Agro upBuild bar with Combo C: XXX,Y(dodge-skip), Y Use Heroic Beat and Arm Destruction off CD just to get an instant finisher and build more barI tend to forget and get cucked out of 100% Energy DestructionWhen the Beatdown bar is full, i dodge-skip the first 3 or 4 Heavy strikes to do the finisher as soon as possible
>>576973743Her damage is lower than average, in that instance someone either had a really overkitted setup or everyone else was under kitted.
>>576973909Fediel
>>576973909Ferry allows you to hold Onslaught with one hand and shitpost with the other
>>576974084I dont play her but supposedly she cant do stuff that she could do in the base game.
>>576974084I can find the log, but her dps was fine and she wasn't flagged as a cheater (usually cheaters don't play optimally anyway). I think it was around 2m on beelzebub which I've observed is slightly above average
Okay so on the clock. I use the three stances and get a combo finisher from all of them and get the buffs. Then I land combo finishers until I get the other buff to lvl 10. And then I just spam combo finishers until it runs out.Do I understand?
>>576975439That's it. When I did extensive testing on her I found that weaving in her charge attack skill into it is better too
imagine an immortal shell summon bros
>>576961216Dogshit fucking character genuinely damaged this game's quality so much. Think of how much of the new expansion release hype was ruined because any time a Fediel was in a match (hint: literally every fucking match) there was no difficulty or point in even playing when the Fediel easily clears every boss with no effort. Retarded devs should have disabled the character on day 2 until a giga nerf hotfix could be released.
>>576975439Also a note on the embrasque sword skill: Your clock meter runs out while charging BUT if you start charging it on the very last second, you won't actually drop the golden clock mode until you finish even if your meter goes completely empty during the charge (and I think you can fit in a regular finisher after the skill before your drop out of the golden clock mode as well) so it's good to save it for the very end unless you know the boss will fuck off before then or if you know you'll be able to fit in more than one embrasque sword (like during link time).
>>576978565cope & seetheFedbros won
>>576978565I agree. My first time doing infinity fights was so fucking easy because I got one or two fedis on the team and basically no one else gets to play because of her. She just shits out the same damage as 3 other players combined, it's unreal. I assume they left her like that on purpose to boost sales, a lot of people like overpowered bullshit like that since it's borderline cheating, which should be no surprise to anyone when she's THE face of chink cheaters online. Watch how no one will touch her if she does get nerfed in the future.
>>576981629Miach is so lucky
the fuck are you crybabies on about? I don't even see fediels anymore in pubs and I have my matchmaking explicitly set to Any
I am thinking about recycling ANY sigils if they have even one trait that I don't want. Supp DMG with Exp? into the shredder. Fatebreaker with ATK? into the bin. otherwise I'm not gonna have room to claim any journal rewards
>>576981629Fediel when she sees my cock
>at the start of Hexa, if nobody hits Willnas then its guaranteed to be Ewiyar that does the attack thinghuh...is that the same for the other 2 cases? only reason i noticed that was due a fuckton of early failed stun checks and people struggling a lot killing the other welps by themselves today, i kept leaving early so i couldnt really check, i couldnt replicate it with AI party eitheris it allways a determinated welp?(say, Wind, Water and then Light?)or is it whoever is taking the most dmg?>>576978565this isnt exclusive to Fediel, Ferri did the same on release and it was even worse due to how PBaha was coded and how braindead the whole strat was, the nerf was deserved, but theres a reason why neither Warpath Charlotta nor FedielBalls have been nerfed yet, theyre overloaded af but not to an extent where it gets incredibly silly(specially with how the Fatebreaker quests are designed), hell Gallanza's SBA bug alone should have guaranteed an instanerf just like they did to Ferri but they havent for a reason, theyre still (overpowered)options for people to clear content, even stuff like Hexa can still be failed with a full party of them, and with how abysmally dogshit the player quality is on Infinity i'd rather have that option desu, just like how Charlotta were carrying quests by spamming Y for like year and a halfand theres the deal of all the people playing with cheated sigils too lol, this game has allways had bigger issues than that desu
Can you guys imagine doing a monster hunter mission and you charge slash the rathalos' legs for a down and one of your party mates starts spamming the chat in chinese and then pruposefully carts 3 times and once you get back to lobby he says "YOU TRIP WRONG TIME! ONLY I ATTACK LEGS!" that's this fucking game get me out of here I can't believe the chinese really managed to ruin it
>>576983759yeah chinks ruin everything
>>576983759Hopefully there'll be a mod that allow people to fine tune their matchmaking options. It's the only hope I have for playing online with randoms at this point.
>all these immortal/unkillable guidesBro i wanna do damage
>>576978565i saw few lobbies starts having no fediel rule or instakicks them kekits like they replaced whoever yumejo in dev team who needed to have his man sandalshit at tier 0++ base game to a guy who browses fediel lewds daily in pixiv
>>576982628I had to do this last night because the game kept flooding me with so many vouchers and sigils from AFK farming that I keep hugging the cap.So screw it. If I see Improved Dodge, Rupie Tycoon or some generic 1.0 damage skill it's getting turned into vouchers, no questions asked.
>>576981629Post more cute Feddy.
>>576984804*Improved GuardImproved Dodge is a good skill and worth keeping.
>>576983290It should be purely random, or at least not deterministic. Feels like usually I get the higher HP one, sometimes the lower HP.For the stun checks it only matters if you're trying to cheese the check by killing them outright anyway, the stun gauge resets to 0 when the trial starts.
>>576984671I guess the silver lining is that Fediel is hot. We might've been stuck with chinks playing as the coffee boy and his wings that take up half of the arena.
>>576985063improved guard is decent if you want to commit to perfect blocking and need the fallback is mistiming it
you should ALWAYS have Fediel in your CPU party >Fraux: "Wow, you're a workhorse!" >Fediel: "Hehehe, and you're a horse that burns!"
>>576985410I really wonder if yoda was just as op as fediel would he have been just as popular
i like playing fediel claw build...
>>576985410Please no, we already had that KOCHI DA spam in base game along with SEYA Lancelot.
>>576984804I hope they add the sigil trait order filter as well so I can auto-trash anything that isn't basic+attack or support/def+anything
>>576985410Sandy's kit is blinding not in an emotional wonderment way, but in a literally obscuring shit way
Now that's a new one.
>>576986371>he didnt spark the echo grand
>>576983759heh reminds me of a luci i ran yesterday>after the opener stun while we're all mashing i notice an id standing next to the boss afk>wondered wtf happened>turns out the nigger was actually typing and moments later screams "NOOB" and disconnects>make a big grin when i look at his nameone guess what language it was lol
>>576986371is this achievable natty?
>>576986371he is a gamer
>>576986787>"Don't be a noob. Get GamerFood"
>>576986371Versa?
>>576988337No, that's on Bubz. The guy also did a random 500-600k nuke. The spike after is during his TCS. The red spike is my TCS, so his dealt double damage of mine overall (this includes initial hit, follow-up shots and generated supp hits).
>>576986371I want to try using Tweyen. How do you play her?
>>576989348I use Two-Crown Strife mastery because the other two are annoying to use.The gameplan is charged normals into the third finisher until max ultrasight. There is probably a better rotation to be honest, but I did not experiment too much yet. I try to stay close since the third normal shot's spread is too wide and 2/3 tend to miss if you are to far away. First finisher allows to quickly reposition while gaining ultrasight if you end up too far away.As for skills I use Peerless Eye, Clincher and the Lethal Rain. Usually just spam them off cooldown. Bring the Thunder (her after-SBA buff) does not seem to be very useful in Infinity since all bosses get Paralyzed for 1 second max, so I don't really bother saving it.This mastery is basically "bee urself". No stacks to manage, no annoyances when the boss fucks off. Except maybe you want to land the TCS fully, the rest is just do whatever.
>>576986695Mine just now was>beelz, get him to ~40% >beatrix starts sba chain>I'm seofon waiting to seven stars, guaranteed we'll skip the 2nd dodge phase, maybe even the whole rest of the fight if dps is crazy>only a 3-chain, fediel refused to SBA>Beelz leaves and starts the dodge phase, fediel repeatedly jumps off the stage and chain dies, I just abandon to not waste more of my time I don't even know man it's so insane
>>576984867i cant into webms, someone else should share some if they can because pretty much all of Feddy's emotes are a gold mineshe doesn't know what a situp or pushup is and starts poking her belly instead
>>576990480nta but while i do find Song pretty fun to play with two crown, i hate that every single attack she does flings her backwards in some way
i dont wanna play
>>576990480>no stacks to manage>no annoyances when the boss fucks offbuilding and keeping the debuffs is annoying as hell
>>576991002Yeah, you have to dodge-cancel every finisher, hail and skills to not end up on the other side of the arena. Also another reason to use charged normals is to move forward while doing it, so it's not as bad as when you just spam uncharged shots.
>>576989219Might just be cheated sigils and summons.
I dont know what character to play anymore. Only thing that feels fun is magi.
>>576991171That's on Clincher mastery. The buff/debuff for TCS mastery builds up to 5 pretty much immediately.Poison/burn is fully RNG or on long CD with Depravity.
>>576990480Para's pretty cool on The World specifically since he stumbles a few steps backwards when it ends, so it locks him down for several seconds even when it's the tenth para of the run and expires instantly.
chat which log mod is best bluemiku, awa, or villith?
>>576968060>>576968434What? People literally told me yesterday that the skill build was dogshit.WHICH IS IT?! I dont want to run piss clock autism.
>>576992150There's a new one posted today >>576954947 that seems to be the most accurate one so far>>576992916You can dodge cancel the skills after pressing them without failing the minigame so it's very free. Clock build will outDPS only in an organized party that lines you up for link time/SBA chain.I recommend always skipping Hearts on Fire, the rest you can let them land or dodge cancel
>>576993372So skill chain is a yes....yes?????
>>576992916anon, I literally told you yesterday all her builds perform similarly
>>576956065Charlotta has the same problem.
>>576969687That is only for the gold clock build, the balanced and skill builds dont have that.
>>576986371DoT Song
>>576993585You are beyond help. Why not just play what is the most fun instead of seeking affirmation from others?
>>576991623It's something beyond that. Even if you had lv99 supp+spartan+berserker+immortal shell you'd still be at +65% supp since the sigils themselves have a ceiling. That's why I asked about Versa, since you have a conditional +200% there, but to have those numbers at bubs is definitely a hacked-in effect.
>>576989348she has 2 builds right now>dot build with clincher trait, never run this vs lucillus infinityget max tyranny and berserker with 25 glass cannon from terminus. with lv 48 base atk sigil and fatebreaker you should achieve 999999 atk in infinity iirc (yes, you skip stun sigils) and don't forget that potent green+ rolan gave you because you are running glass cannon. if you can slot low profile too thats a great qolplaystyle is using rain and depravity anytime its off cd, spam uncharged normals to use clincher at 8 stacks (never use it before 8 stacks) to reset one of those 2 core skills. last skill is 2 crowns since its one of those skills clincher can't resetremember while you cannot dodge you can jump to avoid ground pulses/shockwaves>2 crowns traitthis is if you want to run standard tweyen or against lucillus since he is immune to dots, previous reply covers it>but what about multilock one?its horrible and part of the reason why if you see non chink tweyen in pubs they are likely to do 0 dps
why does cag run like that
>>576994423four 3k ATK summons too
NTA but is quick cooldown necessary for skill bea? Any regens or does green clock do enough of that?
>>576994423Dot build sounds interesting but the fact thst you have to run the rancid dogshit that is Berserker makes me not want to try it.What a horribly designed skill in every capacity.
>>576994727Probably, I'm running cascade and qcd but thats likely overkill, I'm not sure which one would be better thoughDrain is pretty effecient on her too, and stacks with green clock for a quick heal if you feel inclined but I dont think its necessary
im too scared to join pub lobbies
>>576995145Does regen not stack with green?
>>576995161why?
>>576995330NTAregen does but it is a pretty bad sigil unless you are doing some super high hp build drain at least allows you to maintain red clock better, and the auto dmg taken from red is negligible
>>576994514its cute
>>576994582with fatebreaker you just need 666k atk at minimum to hit atk cap, i reached this without +atk summons (arround 720k base atk)having multiple of them is still handy because you can run only glass cannon/berserker for less headache without losing too much dot damage
>>576996501does the stamina sigil work with DoT damage? I remember someone saying it didn't
>>576996634stamina (and celestial lumen/nyx) doesn't work for dot from what i read, only fatebreaker works
>>576996634DoTs run off the ATK displayed on the status screen, which Stamina doesn't affect. Fatebreaker works since it does actually change that number when you look at it during a DLC quest, everything else is obvious when changing equipment.
>>576996849>>576996894thanks, all this talk about DoT is having me revisit my cag build, and now I know I can take off lumen too
>>576997162Wait is lumen bad now????
>>576994727i think cascade works better with her. you won't need regen and you'll hardly ever be in green clock.
>>576997352for a DoT build where you want to stack as much attack as possible yes, since the attack from it doesn't do anything apparently
>>576997456I can never notice a difference with cascade, is it worth it with her? Do her combo finishers make enough of an impact?
>>576998794Going by what >>576948074 linked I feel Cascade 15 should be worthwhile on anyone that lacks a reduction effect where it literally doesn't make a difference (like crux Id getting fourfold back after two XXXX regardless of sigils)I don't know if it makes a difference with skill bea
>>576995161I can almost guarantee you'll either match with people as bad as or worse than you, or people who are prepared to carry anyone. Don't sweat it, anyone who wants a controlled environment would be running solo or with premades.
so the only way to achieve max attack is with berserker? doesn't sound that bad with tweyen but potentially a huge problem with cag
>new wrightstone>HP 29Kinda solid at least, will be helpful for later>supplemental 15Actually good for once>berserker 10Ruined.Is there a character that can make use this sigil for their setup? No dodge or blocking is ass to have but it also feels like a waste to scrap it.
>>577000749Meant hp 20 but you know what I mean.
>>577000749If you're ever going to Berserker stack you're going to 30 with it, that 10's a dead slot.
>>577000131yeah dot build still wants to rapidfire collapse which needs dodge cancels so no berserker for heri tried using berserker+ignoring collapse at all vs bubz few timed and just rely on mehen gets lands dots asap its really bad
>>577001420ah I was literally just going to try berserker, but it did really sound bad on paper so good to know my suspicions were righti tried a half-measure of glass cannon / potent greens and had to drop stun powers, but that was also pretty bad compared to what i did before of just sticking with a more standard build + tyranny
>inf Beelz >SBA right as he hits 60% >Chinese player leaves let me guess, that's the wrong fucking threshold? what even are the correct SBA timings for Beelz because it seems like every fucking West Taiwanese person has a different definition of what they should be
>>576994423wait is multilock really that bad, thats the one Ive taken to infinity whoopsat least I stay offline
>>577002097Realistically I don't think it's worth doing more than switching your Terminus to Tyranny for DoT characters. Even if you're comfortable with Glass Cannon and Berserker, capped atk + 100% DoT uptime (unrealistic) is ~120m DPS, at the cost of sigils and mechanics that gut your personal DPS. Song can kind of get away with it since she has 5 stackable DoTs (two have shit durations), but she's the only one I'd consider going all in on.
>>577003504Theres different "ideal" scenarios but in a pub you normally Chain him before 65% to push him to 50% so he goes into his shield phase
>been AFKing Bubs all day>not a single NA Cap Spartan Echo>10000 Improved Guard with +HPThe brown bara is doing this shit on purpose, I can tell
>>576961216>guess the team...>wanted to joke that it's 4 Fediels>it's actually 4 Fediels
In 298 Infinity clears, 72/894 (8%) of players I matched with used Fediel, only 3 of those clears were meaningfully faster than average, and usually there was a faster run with Percival/Narmaya. She may be broken, but does she truly impact (You)r enjoyment of the game?
>>577007554is this level of Siete achievable natty?
Yay I finally broke 200m ^_^
>>577005449didn't think you could afk this, but then again it would just take long and the critical condition wouldn't reach 0. I also like doing the infinity fight anyway. im at about 80 clears on both the world and beelzebub, while having just 2 on luci. i have not seen a good summon yet, and that is including the occasional luci afk farm
>>577008076>guts AND autoreviveI can see a bit of the issue
>>577008097I somehow got a berserker luci with 80% normals when I afk farmed his C++. It's been more or less 2 weeks since and still nothing from Beel.
>>577008210What do you mean?
>>577008076Good job, you're becoming stronger Djeeta!
>>576972461Answer, stop hiding the Vane tech
>>577007554>and usually there was a faster run with Percival/Narmaya.is narmaya got some broken op build too? is she busted like feddy, Id, and percival?
>>577008450What makes you think it is there to begin with?
>>577008653she is surprisingly underrated, her hostility master trait not only does great damage and is easy to use, but provides the team with a stackable def down debuff on the enemy
>>577007554>>577008653Only time ive seen narmayas do damage is when they have cheated summons with 400% skill cap. Tho not sure of the skill they use, the one they sheathe the sword, i think?
>>577008820>she is surprisingly underrated, her hostility master trait not only does great damage and is easy to use, but provides the team with a stackable nothing.Fixed
>>577008416You had the nerve to sacrifice one slot of deeps for a safety net, how could you possibly insult my sacred parser like this, knave
>>577008653No, but she's strong and apparently just below Fediel, Id, Percival. It's probably just a new spin that Fediel downplayers are trying after the 38 second Pepsiman TA got posted.
>>577008991not gonna pretend I know how effective the debuff is, but I imagine it is good in sba timings and link time
anybody got a link to that site with the summons that drop from every quest and their rates?
>>577009249https://nenkai.github.io/relink-modding/resources/quest_drop_rates_er/
>>577009305thanks bwo
>>577009479>imagelooool, old man is GAY.
>>577009008They were struggling to hit 200m damage (at least that is the implication) and have 2 clear safety nets shown (probably potion hoarder too, but that is actually really good)If damage is your concern then you have to optimize, simple as that.
>>577008653Essence Narmaya scales very well at The World, since she gets to dump her skills with Kaleidoscope after every Quickening. Highest DPS I've seen from a non-cheated one was 14.3m. Picrel had 195% skill cap from summons.
how do I clear inf lucy and versa if I'm a shitter in those two fights?
>>577009960use fof and get carried i guess
>>577009960for luci, just farm the chaos++ version for msp and get good at the fight as a side effect for versa, just get hit by flames for crazy DMG up bro
>>577009095Interesting that there is a certain character that no one talks about, but probably cause they don't do much on the training dummy
>>577007975Yeah, But you wouldn't like the method.
>>577010387Who is it? I've been playing on my smurf with my siblings so I'm haven't been keeping up to date on infinity stuff anymore. Can't be Rosetta because last I heard her dummy numbers are one of the highest.
>>577009826Too bad that trait only really shines in that fight, and the World is a bit of a meme example because a lot of characters can do similar results if they run guard payback, like how that Zeta isn't far behind
>gallanza turbine parries in base form will instantly max out his deathmatch gauge>this is the only thing they do>have zero fucking interaction with his master traitIt would have been so fucking easy and good to make his turbine parries count as perfect finishers I will never not be mad.
>>576961216How is this level of damage even possible?
>>577010805non sub dps danchou, haven't heard a single thing about them after first weekthey are way much rarer than katalina players because sub build enables comfy runs and amazing support for builds that hates taking hits. it looks competent though because the only one i met in bubz was able to match my charlotta dps and she is considered decent atm
what's with the occasional Id that completely outshines everyone in a fight? is there like a giga DPS build with infinite skill ceiling?
>>577013556Oh, I was low key thinking danchode too but the tank MT since you can't get tank stacks on dummy. Didn't know DPS was also good, my friend keeps ranting that tank build does better dps for less effort.
>>577014038Yes. You just spam punches with the punch skill build and do 10 billion damage. Although it's actually harder than it looks since fucking up the skill once means it goes on cool down and id just is made of paper.
>>577014121>nobody can fix Mr Fix Id when he gets blown the fuck up
Do they fuck?
Should I keep playing or is this enough until the next patch? How rare are the better versions of these summons?
>>577014441Oh yeah.
>>577014663get yourself an icewyrm or blackwyrm summon with one of those stats. It lets you skip phases 2 and 3 of arcarum
>>577014441Yes, Bea watches.
>>577014441Vas is for AlmeidaZeta is for brojobs only
I gotted a spartan echo from chaos++ gay brown man with 50% skill damage cap up
>>577015248You wonned...!
>>577014441Multiple works of art suggest that is indeed the case.
>>577015248Congrats anon!I'm very happy for you!no but for real good job
>>577014441No, all male Draphs are gay
>>576993901Charlotta's Y attack/noble strategy is always enhanced during link time, no matter how many normal attacks you did before(or any at all)
The first attempt of Infinity was VERY bad.I died like retard around 8 times.
do (You) write anything funny on your profile card?have you seen any funnies on others' cards?
>>577016273I just wrote "Let's kick some slimes!"
>>577016042This is unironically more likely
Is Magi's shield build a trap for skill-lets like me? I can keep shields up for most of, and very occasionally throughout tne entire of Beel but everything else is highly unlikely.
If you're using substitute and there's chinese fediels on your team, they will grief you. They'll see the substitute and walk into attacks or constant AoE auras so they can throw some more of her shitballs or just to kill you again. Had this happen to me twice with two different chinks today. As if they weren't bad enough.
>>577018748>decided to be a tankslut>mad whhen he dies for his DD?
>>577018748Stop using sub and let them die once you get 10 stacks,
>>577019827Sub is the damage build for djeeta because they made the skill version complete dogshit by not giving it any dmg dealt and/or supp
>>577015248Nice, is this worth using?
>>577020025yes thats pretty good
>>577018663It's a lot easier if you give her FoF.And if you're running solos, an AI Cog can instantly 99k you.Or just drop the heal field right beside you and give you nothing.
>>577020085sweet
If I buy the ragnarok DLC, can I play Fediel before I actually get to the DLC part of the game? Or do I have to do something to unlock her?
>>577020364You either need to get 2 crewmate cards or buy her for real moneyhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4579020/Granblue_Fantasy_Relink__Endless_Ragnarok_Character_Expansion_Set_Fediel/
>>577020364yeah, you can just get her with regular crew cards.She costs 2 of those instead of one like almost everyone else but there's a bunch of extra cards in game that you can't really cuck yourself out of anyone even if you recruit everyone the game would eventually give you for free
whats the best zeta mastery as a player and as an ai
>>577020706skill reset mastery for both, it deals crazy damage in real fights compared to pogo mastery
>>577020873Im glad, that one looks the most fun to me
>>577020364Don't buy the dlc. Use an unlocker.
>>577020243Yeah I do run FOF on her and it's pretty goated in Beel and World; but it's also a bit counterintuitive for the rest of the fights. Take Luci, Versa, or Hexa, some random 360 is coming right at you while you're channeling blades and suddenly your blade dance 4 either whiffs if they move out of the way again or is half damage. Luci and Versa in particular are really tough maintaining shields on for me to the point I just completely ignore shield play and just play normally.
>>577020527>>577020610Alright, cool! Thanks! I'm still going through the base game and my plan is to finish everything there is to do in there before getting the DLC. I kind of want to get her early because I really like how she looks and plays, but now I'm thinking, will I be able to make her strong without the access to the DLC? Does the base game have all the necessary stuff to make a viable build for her? I'm afraid that some of the more important stuff, like character-specific sigils, could be locked behind the actual DLC progression
>>577021440Admittedly, I'm only mid-C++, so I haven't tried most of those yet. But I've been mostly focusing on spamming Y combos until Link Time.
>>577021440NTA but also consider Untouchable for an alternative if you want better dodges without losing damage (though the damage loss from FoF really isn't that bad with the shield build)
>>577022098>>577022136Tried Ardent on Bub and the numbers I got are worse than playing like shit with shields. Guess I'll be stuck playing tryhard and forever seething.
>>577021440>>577022136How OP is FoF? Sounds like a cheatmode
>>577022250It makes so any iframe on your dodge will proc a perfect dodge, but in exchange you get a 50% damage reduction for the next 6 seconds.It's good on some cases like Magi where maintaining shields is more important than 6 seconds debuff or Io where you'll be charging for longer anyway. For characters that rely on constant dodging and consistent damage, it's more often a brick.
>>577022223I was using Skill build at first and had a similar experience, plus the fact that her gameplay just falls apart as soon as the boss moves out of the Blade Dance finisher.I like the shield build, but it really sucks that it's just head and shoulders better than the other two builds by a wide margin.>>577022250In the context of skill Maggie, she gets so much Damage Dealt from her master trait alone that you don't really feel the downside.>30% Amplify during the 6 second perfect dodge window>80% Amplify otherwiseAnd this is before WE, Ventus, Aqua etc.And not only is the dodge great for maintaining the shield, but she can also farm SBA with Nimble Onslaught on top of her naturally good SBA gain.
>>577022531Yeah, her blade dance 4 finishers are just pure grief. If you get a link attack on Versa with full gauge he'll move out of the arena before you empty and get BD4 and there's really nothing you can do about it besides just going for BD2.
>>576994423The things I'd do to her
>>576954619Based
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>>577024276Tell us about your day, Mr. Pigfried.
>>577024715FUCK
Uglielle
>>577025401Rude
Managarmr and furycane are such absolute dogshit bosses I don't get why they didn't fix them with the chaos++ versions, like remove all the forced cutscenes like they did with lucilius and they're instantly far better fights
lol
>>577029110>buying any of the character expansion sets>failing to readlol
>>577029110Retard
>>577029110KWAB!
>>577029110Well, what's the issue? You're getting the DLC now, right?
>>577029110dont you need 2 cards for her?? holy fucking scam
>>577040072
>>577040756i cant read either apparently
>>577028827It's not just that but too much of their time is spent dodging attacks or leaping away from your. Managarmr is especially guilty of both because after every attack he'll jump away and he has 3 attacks where you need to hide behind the ice pillars, and that shit takes way too long.I've also gotten a particular loathing for the darkwyrm because of the nigger's slow puddles you can't do anything about unless you're Id or some shit.
>>577037857yes...
When is the first character patch? Will they announce potential new characters?
>>577042961lollmaomaking new character movesets is difficult and expensive, please understand.best we can do is another "fight x bosses in a row" or "lucillius vomits more shit all over your screen" quests.
>>577042360Yes, lil'bro, Sometimes you need to learn enemy's pattern.
>>577043365Maybe you should go back to English classes and and relearn reading comprehension lillerbro
>>577029110
>>577043151Theres a problem here, in the base game those quests were engagging not only because they were challenging but also due being the source of Berserker Eco+, which made build making entertaining. ER has nothing but perfect 100% summon grind, most non infinity content is already powercrept to hell and AFK'ble.Adding challenging stuff without some sort of reward gets old fast and they cant be adding more broken sigils to make the game even easier.
>>577046769That's not really that much different from base game though. They still added alpha beta gamma, warpath, and echoes when even at base game people were already dunking on every content. They just made content via Luci, Behemoth, and gauntlets to use your new toys with, the same way they can just do it again. They're gachashit devs, they've been doing it for like 10 or 15 years in the mobile game at this point.
Yes i love numbers going up
Everybody or just a chosen few?
Was that the strongest enemy in the gacha so far?https://gbf.wiki/Destruction_Incarnate_(Raid)
Is there even anything good in curios? Im at 999 and I dont want to open them because I'd have to sort sigils and it's too much of a pain
>>577051494I think they used to be the only source of supp damage+
>>577051494They drop plenty of ascension materials.Am not sure if theres quests that FoF+ and Untouchable+ in ER.
40 minutes
>>577050558That's not bea...
>>577057945until what
>>577058493the thread was dead for 40 minutes
>>577058112the real daiwa scarlet is just as dumb as bea
I have Eustace and Io built for AI. I need a melee nigga for AI, who do you recommend?
>>577059459percy
Yesterday one anon asked how well Cascade works with Maglielle. Well, I decided to check it myself with using stopwatch on my phoneThere are the results of the experiment:No Cascade,~ 1:23Cascade Max lvl ~ 1:14-1;15Cascade Lvl 15+2 ~ 1:15How it was done:The tested skill was Spear of Legends.Auto-lock. I pressed stopwatch button at the same time I pressed the skill. Then I just spammed X until the skill was recharged. I didn't bother with distance (Cascade has the formula which counts your distance from a target) so I naturally approached Sir Barrold in 10 seconds and was next to him all remaining time. Bonus:Quick Cooldown Max Lvl ~ 1:06Quick Cooldown Lvl. 14 ~ 1:15Qucik Cooldown Max Lvl + Cascade Max Lvl ~ 1:00
Wrightstones aren't permanent right? Like I can take it off and out on another weapon right?
>>577061030its over...
>>577061030Anon, I...
>>577061112...retard
>>577061030why don't you just try it with a couple bad ones?
>>577060463Thanks for the contribution, anon.The curve of >>576948074, showing that max Cascade is scam, checks out.Going from 1:23 to 1:00 with 45QC+15C seems like decent reduction for that slot cost. Only question is why that skill has such a long cooldown in the first place, it fucking sucks.
>>577060463Thanks fellow Maggiebro. I completely forgot to test this myself (because I was AFK summon farming all day still nothing good)It seems the last 4 or so levels to max out Cascade make almost no difference whatsoever. Seems like Cascade would be best as a Lv10 Wrightstone skill, since I imagine the difference between Lv10 and Lv16 probably isn't all that much either.>(Cascade has the formula which counts your distance from a target) Why is this game like this
>>577061030No but strong stones are way way way way way easier to get in ER. Shit used to be locked behind transmarvels with what felt ONE lvl20 stone every sixty rolls.Now you just hit any C++ and they drop like nothing
>>577062146Yeah but I god rolled and wasted it on Katalina
>>577062253What was on the stone
>>577060463Test how much reduction you get from a full bar of blade dance
>>577062793It's pain in the ass. For that I need to change my test method from spamming X to spamming XXXY. I can do it tomorrow
>>577060463Longer default cooldown than I expected, but this improves my opinion of Cascade significantly. 15 QCD + 15 Cascade has Spear come back in about 45 seconds of XXXY + Blade Dance if memory serves.
>>577062639>>576971103
>>577064009I'm assuming 15 QCD + 15 Cascade is still much more efficient than trying to max out QCD.
>>577064021That third trait is no that good.Uplift, cascade, quick cooldown are better lvl10 picks. Guts (i dont like autorevive) too i guess.
What skills besides Embrasque Sword do you run on Beatrix?
>>577065584Deoends on the style
>>577064243For sure. I'd only consider 45 QCD for a character who has skills they need up ASAP, it's a lot of extra investment.
>>577065584STAR CHASAHRIDINGU FREEETHUNDAH BIRDO(i play skillspam, i think you drop thunderbird for the skill that amps her clock buffs if you're gold clocking)
>>577065584am I supposed to be running embrasque sword...
>>576971103>>577064021doesn't almost everyone hit 100% crit rate naturally or with one of the points in mastery traits?lvl 20 crit rate feels like a waste. unless you build around stinger.
>>577066592>made it so you can overcap on crit rate>made it so the only way you can capitalize on this is with the Stinger weapon (which is still outclassed by Ascension and Terminus)>make it so characters will overcap on crit anyways because they get so much crit from their kits and masteries>special mention to Zeta who has a base 183% crit rate at max investment because of her WarpathGenuinely, for what purpose?
>>577068149Your conflux? Difficulty 6 will require full crit rate builds for the extra damage trust
>>577068149a couple of the unique sigils seem to have suffered from endless ragnarok either having inflated the stats so much it makes them worthless or mastery traits doing the same thing, but better.
>>577066515its her highest damaging skill so yeah
so im tired of raping this game as BASEDielis there an ultimate guide for cag and narmaya?
>>577068149Their unbound skills being hot ass doesnt help either, maybe if was 30% skill dmg dealt
Why'd they add all the society members but nothing society related
>>577071485they already had pyet-a
>>577071485>allAren't you forgetting someone important?
>>577072314oh rightthey forgot to add Gwynne...
>>577072314Why do all the society girls attract young boys...?
>>577070575Obviously it is the highest damage, but is it worth the charge time and the long cooldown?I find just running the four shorter cooldown damage skills to be better just to lead into her finishers faster.
>>577072792yeah it shits out really high damage and on skill spam at least you get it back fairly fast, not to mention in link time you can use it + a finisher and it should be back up in time to use it againi think you could make an argument for dropping it in gold clock tree for a short cd to help you get your buffs up faster though
>>577072792Embrasque has faster cooldown than thunderbird or hearts on fire
>>577073170Had to go check again with barrold to make sure I'm not spouting bullshit and it's about the same as thunderbird, actually. I must've not take cascade into account. Still faster than hearts though.
I like Insight Bea the most, it is just more fun to play.
>>577072314Too old
what mastery setup does yoda use? All of these seem to have some amount of setback and I forget how to even use this guy.are any of his personal sigils necessary? or other sigils he wants that might be out of the ordinary?
so were summons a good addition to the game? In my case they're just the passive I forget they exists as active desu.
>>577077326Having passives ruined the concept
>>577077865Passives are fine, locking them to particular summons is not.Makes everyone run the same set.
>>577077326They feel bad to use on most of the characters I play because they pause my game plan, like I need to build towards a bar or something, I would have liked it if some of them didn't require you to actually become them and just summoned something that fought on its own maybe
>>577077326The cool summons (like the fish or Managarmr Nihilia) are cucked because they don't get any of the core skills, plus for some ungodly reason only the four Astral summons can get caps over 50%, making them just built better than other summons.
>>577077326I appreciate that they tried to bring summons over but I just can't imagine a scenario where the active part of them isn't either this current awkward version where it's a limited and shared resource so nobody bothers using it (except for some very specific scenarios like The World's cards) or a complete shitshow that ruins the regular gameplay. The passive part is alright I guess, frees up some space for sigils I otherwise wouldn't squeeze in.
>>577078467The endgame summons being the only ones with 100 cap is so weird because it completely deletes the -1 cost system since you have to equip 4x 3 costs
>>577077326Making it so only the 3-4 summons from the endgame get the best bonuses attached to them ruins it. There's a lot of interesting effects that will never ever get used because they don't give you 15 Echo or 100 damage cap.
To me, fediel is canonically chinese whenever she's on screen I just hear loud distorted traditional chinese music and of course the person playing her is also an incredibly chinese personeven if the person using her isn't physicially chinese, they are chinese in spirit
>read I am retarded for using multilock tweyen>ok lets try the other two>clincher tweyen doesnt work on half the fights due to debuff immunity or phases where the boss fucks off and I drop stacks, not to mention if depratvity doesnt get reset its a disaster>two crown tweyen doesnt work outside of infinity because the fights are too shortwhat am I missing
>purchase was not authorized x3 debit cardsfuck you mercado pago
>>577081208use credit?
>>577081771I did, still not authorized error
>>577080590The only Chinese Dragon is Lu Woh and he's thankfully not in this game
>>577077326no because they're just extra stat sticks at endgame and before that they have mostly shitty movesets that don't gel with the normal combat flow or feel good to use. Other games like Nioh 2 do the "use an enemy move" gimmick better.
>>577080773You should be able to get Two Crown's Strife off cooldown a couple of minutes into a boss fight. That's plenty of time. In my tests your multilock hail with the style trait can reach like 26 million damage, but with the TCS style it does about 31 million damage after using TCS. Basically you get like a 15-20% damage boost at the cost of a skill slot and having a bit less damage than you would otherwise have before using TCS.
*slaps the closest nigga*why didnt you tell me how good the skill zeta was
bros, DoT song is so fun on the fights it's worth it on. I don't use berserker but feels pretty good
>>577084740casino is always fun
>>577085139>I don't use BerserkerGood. You'll have a lot less fun if you use it.
>Ready>Waiting for members to join... 4/4>...>...>Waiting for members to join... 3/4>...>...>Searching for open session...>...>Lol no joinable session found kthxbye>Queue up again immediately>instant 4/4 and depart within five seconds
>>577077326If anything they should have had a separate equip slot for "active" summons that are the ones you use in battle but don't give you passive stats, and "support" summons that DO give you passive stats but can't be used in battle.
>>577087038like sub summons? but keeping 4 main or reducing them?
>>577087156what he's trying to say is that party wide sigil slots is a good concept but tying them to the summon system they came up with sucks because the stat sticks trump the actual summon's use
>>577086724>The members of the party departed on a quest!
>>577087156>>577087367Pretty much this. The way I'd want it implemented is simply adding 4 more "passive" equip slots for summons. The summons in your active slots that you can activate during battle will no longer give you their passive skills, but the ones equipped in your passive slots would.You can then just put all your luci/bubz/loran summons with echos etc in the passive slots and then put the summons you want to actually bring to battle like cats or managarmr in your active slots. This wouldn't change anything aside from maybe letting players freely try more diverse battle summons.
just... one more character... to 55... *cough*
Surely this time Bubs will drop the NA cap on Spartan Echo, and not another 40 Improved Guard summons
Do I really have to use the roguelike to farm weapon materials quickly?
>>577090430Quickly? noIs there so if you cant reliably beat Chaos+/++
The Steady Focus defense only happens during charging periods or is something passive?
>>577092161only during charge attacks, you can be fully charged and still get it aswell
>>577090430its not the fastest way but you can farm it without knowing what youre missing and visiting siero every step of the way, so its like a lazy way to get mats that you could play characters you dont usually I guess
Can't get a full party through matchmaking on any quest other than infinity Lucy and Bub. Is it over?
i havent played in a couple of days
>>577093959there are dragons waiting to be killed, what are you doing
What's the Zeta build for ER? Loop shenanigans once again? Also she pretty much only wants Uplift instead of shit like Cascade doesn't she?
>>577094689I just started playing the skill build zeta and it is very fun and strong
for me its mainly versa pub thats very hard to find people, i only queue that shit because its the only infi fight i don't have its no death title yet (and when i do get 4/4 i get people with unmaxed masteries and floor kissers) right now i'm building fraux AI to do it alone insteadi guess more and more people realizes farming that dogshit fight is a waste of time because according to cygames galaxy brain the only drop worth to farm from him is almost literally rolan summon if he has much less %drop chance
>>577095612meant to reply to >>577093873
>>577077326It’s a mechanic that simply adds to the game without polishing the other systems.It works like two extra sigil slots to rework your build. Most skills in the game aren’t even used situationally, which makes summons just another part of the build.I remember that the first summons I got were Defensive or Support. I used them to gain immunity to burn or glaciate, and it was interesting to constantly switch them up to adapt. But in the endgame, I’m using the same thing everyone else uses without changing.The invocation itself doesn't change much in a fight. You become invulnerable for a moment while you press one or two buttons. Invocation doesn't fit well into the fight and is just a nuke that doesn't deal much damage or stun. The summoning of Proto-Bahamuth in the main story was pretty cool, but it would take a lot of work to adapt all the summons for a 1-on-1 battle against the boss.
>>577081208Use Pix
>>577095612>>577093873why dont you guys ever host the lobby
The long awaited DLC costumes will save us...
>>577096741
>>577097176There's more!https://x.com/utamoto_story/status/2085940089969127704?s=20
>>577096406i'm a seanig so i usually not arround during anons active hours..that and lately i'm farming c++ stages to max rosetta/beato/danchou
is this accurate?
>>577102162lmao
>>577102162fuck no what vas has some of the highest damage output in the gameand even if you want to argue "well hes really hard to play properly" charlotta is braindead easy and is just as high damage
>>577102162It is retarded to such a degree that I refuse to believe it isn't on purpose.
>>577102357wait im retarded and just read that its an ai tier list... i thought beas and fediels AI werent that great
>>577102162>>577102449whats a good tier list then, has anyone made one
I am back to this kusoge, there is any mod I should be aware?
>>577102905Why would you need a tier list?also Fediel and Percy with bug > everyone else
>>577102484Admittedly I missed that part too, but there were bizarre outliers no matter what it was for.>>577102905Picrel's my CPU experience so far.
>>577102162the ammount of people still thinking cag is SS tier material because of alchemedic until now when its easily her absolute worst trait is amazingkat at A, id at B lmao game8 meme lists never dissapoints>>577102905haven't seen any and a proper list needs to tier each char mastery trait too due to how massive the gaps between with each other can get
>>577102162where is this from? Also, I was under the impression that sieg was right below percival if not the best.
>>577102162Surely this is just purely for the CPU AI right? otherwise the Vas, Katalina and Beatrix spots are really fucking funny
>>577103848https://game8.co/games/Granblue-Fantasy-Relink/archives/609643>>577103869>Surely this is just purely for the CPU AI right?Correct
>>577102162>>577102224 >>577102357 >>577102449 >>577102905 >>577103805 >>577103848 >>577103869 Its for AI team mates, says so in the text, nobody reads nowadays
>>577103263Cagliostro FeethandsArmless Fraux
>>577102162>SSS Tier>Fediel>D garbage shit tier>All characters that are not Fediel This is the only tier list for the current version of the game
Metafaggin' Parsertard above this post
Parse THIS
>>577111943GIWTWM
>>577112528those proportions are quite literally impossible
>>577114183This but with Cog's Crippling Combos and Super Collapse
is the support kat build actually goodi only play with friends
>>577114183nah resolve is better because it is a permanent buff, you can easily lose hostility during an infinity boss moment
>>577114621>instant charged rocks for a few seconds or RNG insta charged rocksfucking cygames
i think ill try id tomorrow
>>577115710It's hilarious how Siete gets 30 seconds of 0 cooldown on all his skills which lets you do shit like infinite swords or infinite slow while Cag gets instant collapse for 10 fucking seconds.
>>577116154It's really funny since one of seats traits let's him use craedo for as long as he wants. Or you could just use the one that gives you infinite on all skills. Like what's the point?
ARES! GIVE ME DEEPS AND MY LIFE IS YOURS!
>>577116767Yeah, the MTs are kind of terribly balanced. Like Maglielle's shield build is just so far ahead that using blade dance with shields is far and away better than the MT that makes you glass to buff blade dance. Or how Charlotta's are all so garbage that some players don't even get a trait 3. Or how Sieg has 2 MTs just based off peefect executions.Zeta seems like one of the best one they got.
How do I set up Eustace for solo AFK farming stuff?
We, true gamers, want next character to be 2B!
>>577119230Give him the Perfectionist Trait, his two buff skills and the counter skill. Then load him up with as mucb Damage Cap as you can fit. He can even get away with using Glass Cannon since his AI never gets hit.
>Finished the OG game and never came back to farm Zero a million times so no idea how to no-hit him like Defy Infinity wantsI'm a dumb Bea, can some anon explain how to not always go 1 max HP when he does the slow puddles and lasers chasing you?My understanding is something like>Run away from your party members to not kill them with the slow puddles (do we just all eat shit if people don't split properly here?)>Run in circles and dodge if the falling lasers go in front of you or if you get slowed under one>Also dodge if you get slowed and the circle below you is about to explodeIt seems simple enough and doesn't really do damage to me otherwise, but on Infinity I'm apparently getting chipped by it for max debuff stacks and I'm not super sure whereDo the slow puddles also do DoT that apply max HP down? I also hear attacking on top (?) of the puddles clears them, is that the intended approach?
>>577122109Only the beams inflict HP down if I recall correctly whether by getting hit ot guarding. The puddles only damage and slow you. They're not as wide as the ones in Zero so you can still have space to run around with. You can bring slow res too if you want since getting slowed is often where shit hits the fan.
>finally beat infinity world by perfect guarding like 10 times in the fight>minute and a half left in the fight even when clearing the first side goalwhy does it seem like the second health bar is actually twice as big as the first one
>>577120738You are shitposting, but honestly I wouldn't mind her at all. It's such a crime that they turned her into a collab whore and she didn't appear in any action game besides 2 fighters
>another War Elemental Chain Burst Cap summon from AFKing Mazurka
Is it normal to do like 200-400%damage now that Im lvl 100 master 50? I thought you guys said damage cap was useless with masteries
>>577125160Nobody said damage cap was useless, you're mistaking that with the diminishing returns argument. You still want to stack damage cap but you'd rather have DMG Dealt more whenever possible.
>>577125160>you guys said damage cap was useless with masteriesWho told you that? Every end game build is trying to get as much damage cap as possible. Usually ending around 2000-2200%. Unless you're one of those weirdos who runs a dot build.
>>577125160you wanna upgrade your reading comprehension sigil
Sandy of all characters have the most satisfying PE kitit feels like CUMMING when I perfect time the triangle dodge and then pick up the combo right back on an off-beat strike it's like playing Tomb of the Dancefried except fast paced and doesn't bust your balls for missing a PE
Today, I will remind them.VentusAquaLumen/Nyx>PowergapTerra>GREAT WALL OF VIABILITYLiteral DogshitKekcendo
What if they add in Damage Cap 2
>>577125924CheatsDogshitSigils
After my first attempt at Infinity, I'm really afraid to play anymore. Everyone looks so sweaty and I don't want to ruin their runs.How do I fix my sissy mentality?
>>577126498beat it with ai first
>>577126498at worst you lose a bit of time by failing a runif you're eating too many hits from different mechanics you can always just try it solo with AI and learn dodge/block timingsbut what's even more important than that is having enough stunthat's the real make or break for infinity fights
>>577126498Newcuties keep Infinity interesting, I don't mind seeing themWhy am I even bothering to farm these turbo minmaxed autism summons if I can't see how hard I can carry anyways?>But the sweaty Chinese will ragequit if someone is minmaxed ougi'ing exactly when they want-Bro they do that even when the run is going perfectly fine anyways who gives a shitAlso there are plenty of super sweaty Fediels with 1000s of runs who still regularly throw my Infinity Hexas by attacking the wrong crystal and then dying to the Mario Party minigames at 0 critical even with Cags and Yodas around, I don't give a shit if someone new does that to me, at least they have an excuse
It's out!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCchj2AKta4
>>577126498I don't mind people flooring if they're new. I do mind if they have a max terminus though.
>>577120738You're right I want Nier
>>577127430buy an ads
>>577126498For what it's worse I don't give a shit about deeps, and for anyone trying shit out for the first time, flooring is perfectly acceptable, there's some dumb shit in this game that will definitely catch you if you simply don't know about them.Just go for it bro, and hell, if you're really that anxious about it, feel free to make a lobby and post it here.In fact I would recommend it for Hexa if you don't want to get stuck in the potential matchmaking limbo trenches
Is Lucy's cutscene clusterfuck (unfortunately) the only endgame raid that lets you convert his drops into Ambrosias? Or am I missing some repeatable quest/trade chain with Siero somewhere?
>>577126498I've also decided to avoid Infinity until I get a good baseline of summons with what I want.
>>577129375The flower? can't you get those in pre ER luci as well or am I having a moment
Wait, are we getting any announcement? Is there any date?
>>577126498I find it more fun playing with inexperienced players and don't mind at all, unless they somehow manage to each up the whole critical gauge by themselves because then I question how you got to infinity to begin with.But it probably helps that there really isn't any typing involved, so you can't be directly flamed. At least I've never seen it happen.
>>577129396I wouldn't worry about that at all. When the DLC was new, no one had optimized summons in infinity. I remember rocking my quakadile summon which I loved to use when bosses were on the edge of the stage.
>>577129420Chaos++ luci drops more and can be fully afked.
So wait, this on the Mastery Trait trees actually goes above Damage Cap? Am I reading all the info people were talking about a while ago right?
>>577130027No, most of those are still just plain atk increases.Test them on the dummy if in doubt.
>>577130027yup, test it on the dummy
>>577130158>>577130169WHO DO I BELIEVE
>>577130158>>577130169Dummy it is
>>577130027Your thinking of ATK buffs. The ones with icons below your HP. That one just directly increases your attack stat outright and does nothing if you're already capping.Useful for DOT builds tho.
>>577130027Use me as a dummy to test it
>>577130027Yes, but sometimes no but also no but maybe yes sometimes. But not really but also yes maybe. No, but yeah but not really but yesno.
>>577130429Yes, no, maybe, I don't know, can you repeat the question?
>>577114657Meh, it's ok. You give 30% supp to everyone at like 60% uptime which isn't too bad but your personal damage is kinda bad and someone like Rosetta can also give 30% supp to everyone but at 100% uptime. I think it's her best build because buffing the broken characters is still more impactful than you doing like 50% more damage if you played one of the DPS builds though.
>>577130027I've been assuming no since there's other ones that are specifically cap.But I haven't dummied it.
Did Gallanza and Maglielle... You know...
>>577130628absolutely not
>>577130263So I guess things like Zeta's Signo Drive will give ATK that goes above cap? Same for Cag's Phantasmogoria?If so, it makes them nigh mandatory but what the fuck do I know without testing.
>>577119152Djeeta is the funniest. Her build that is supposed to be the damage one gives a whopping 100% damage cap. That's the entire tree. Meanwhile the sub support build gives 80% dmg dealt and 20% supplemental. It's like whoever tuned those trees does not understand how damage works in the game.
>>577130685You'd be right except the game is bugged(??) and no buffs and debuffs work at all on foes in Overdrive other than damage cap increases so phantasmagoria feels really useless
>>577130628gallanza SAIKYOUUUUUU
>>577129420Oh, it's not an issue of getting the flowers, just wanted to know if Warudo/Bubz/Hexa could get me the grapes too, or if it's just Luci for some reason>>577129396Barring maybe afk farming Stout Heart from the skelly, you'll get the summons faster in Infinity thoughAnd it's not like you'll ever see them come out barring maybe some minmaxing on World's scales anywaysYeah, there's probably some visible difference between 4 random cap ups vs a hypothetical 400% normal cap up on summons but that shit is so rare that most Inf players have nowhere near that either
>>577130685iirc it was like any attack buff (like an actual status effect buff from a skill or something) gets halved and turned into something like enhanced damage or something so it works past cap, with the catch that right now overdrive seems to disable buffs working this way (they just revert back to base game functionality where they just turn into flat attack and do nothing past cap) this also affects def down debuffs players can apply to enemies
>>577130628gallanza sleeps with his spear
>>577131053Why the fuck is this so confusing? Damage cap was a mistake.
I'm dumb and just now realizing I can drop Guts and Autorevive on my FoF shield Maggie build since she never dies anymore.I think Potion Hoarder is probably worth keeping just in case, plus blue pots are good for topping up on Link Gauge sometimes.At last, I will finally have room to slot in Low Profile.
>>577130784It's not as bad as I initially thought. A well timed Phantasmagoria during a link into SBA chain boosts your party damage pretty significantly, like on Bub after you break his shield for example. I do wish it still worked on OD and they didn't lie about buffs being useful because it seems a bit intentional.
>>577131239If you just dumb it down to "buffs and debuffs good when enemy isn't in overdrive" it's not that complicated. Bring them if you can and you don't lose too much. But you can also think about how much time an enemy spends in overdrive and tune it to specific fights.
>>577130628She's floating because she can't walk straight...
>>577130628Yes.
fucking chinks!!! they plague the internet with cheats in every game i play, do something ccp!!!
>>577131604>he thinks Emperor Winnie the Pooh doesn't approve of his citizens sabotaging and poisoning games for his foreigner enemies
>>577131604Ready the copypasta to nuke them when you encounter them.
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Are there some characters in the game who just don't have a stun combo/skill at all, or are players just not bothering to switch off their DPS rotation during the Infinity stun checks?The differences between each run of Hexa is huge, I can't tell if it's a composition thing (can ranged characters like Rackam/Io actually stun at all?) or if half the party just isn't bothering
>>577133732Many are saying this
>>577133732Sorry Chang, but I will continue to use the floating midget, and you will continue to seethe.
>>577133960I heard claw Fediels do negative stun but I also wouldn't expect the average rando to know which combos do better stun. Does the game even ever tells you stun values?
Your thread is over retard.
This is good right?
>>577125160> I thought you guys said damage cap was uselessdont listen to people coping about their lack of summons
>>577125381does the game actually tell you your current dmg cap% anywhere or would i need to add everything together by hand?
>>577130628Most likely killed a bunch of innocent people? yes
>>577144029>does the game actually tell youLol. You can stop right there. Them adding the damage cap option in training was already a miracle.
>>577144029You can try it on the dummy, don't forget to set it to a chaos difficulty though or your fatebreaker won't come into effect.
>>577144118Villagers aren't people, their lives don't matter
>>577144118>killed a bunch of innocent peopleBut enough about Bahamut and Singularity
>>577133960Io and Rackam (not sure about Coffin style tho) do good stun damage. If fact, a good Io will do more stun damage than anyone that isnt an Id, Zeta, Charlotta or Vane.
Is there a character who wants to spam fast attacks for their optimal build? Like if Lancelot or Charlotta were about about spamming their light attacks instead of just using them for a few hits then finishers. Narm maybe looks like an option?
There seems to be a weird interaction between Mag's 2-weapon limit and her post-SBA weapon recall (the staff and the gun get resummoned after SBA if they were active before it).If you despawn the staff or the gun because of the 2-weapon limit and then use her SBA, the despawned weapon will come back free of charge even if the skill is on cooldown. It also does not seem like there is a time limit for this, as long as the weapon does not get summoned manually again.
>>577146276Sorta but not really. Most of her damage comes from her skills, namely fully charged Setsuna. If you pull one off you can see your damage spike.
>>577146276Siegfried
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>>577147305Even if you use that master trait that let's her spam finishers in the same stance? >>577147610Fug you.
>>577148108You can still do that with any mastery trait tree, just less effectively.
>>577148108Hey there's probably nobody that relies on normal attacks more than him
>>5771480522/4
>>577148579Charlotta does nothing but plunge. Yoda uses his finishers, so does Lancelot, Eustace, Vas. I just want a character that really focuses on being a blender. Siote might be worth it if blendering wasn't locked behind his two resources.
>>577149048Naru is the most viable if literally all you want to do is mash X, play the taunt style and just keep her two buffs up and you will do good damage
>>5771488933/4
>>577133960Stun varies even more than DPS does, and while it tends to correlate with weighty hits it isn't intuitive. Gallanza, Danchou, Song, and Fediel do fuck all for stun. Id, Vaseraga, and Cag nearly carry stun checks on their own, but Cag needs to switch rotations for it. Most skills with high stun mentioned in their description only mean relative to their power and aren't actually the character's best (Bea's Thunderbird is worse than Embrasque and power finisher, Maglielle's Mjolnir is worse than finishers and Freikugel, Siete's Rotura is worse than finishers, Despedazar, and essence/crux Infinito Creare spam, etc.)>(can ranged characters like Rackam/Io actually stun at all?)Song and Fediel are the only ranged characters bad at it.
thanks for the runsi could run mag for lucillus for mag quartet but i'm really bad at her even with those mag mods like turn rate improve and auto targetting shame we couldn't get our 4th so it had to be randos
>2 chinks and 1 jap in my random lobbyGuess who the cheaters were lmaoNot a single decent person lives in that country
>>577155836every time on vas I was missing mvp by like 10k honors it was tilting me
>>577156084i lost count of how many multiplayer games server chink ruined after CCP unbanned console they learned how to buy retail games
>>577133960some characters just have one rotation and you either take it or leave it (pigfried)not their fault per we
>>577155731im surprised by gallanza doing fuck all for stun, you'd think his entire character would be built around "big hits". Also Bea's thunderbird being worse than her PF is surprising, not so surprising when compared to ES since that's just far and away her best skill.
are there any characters whose "skill spam" build actually derives most of its damage from skills? just about every skill spam build I've seen so far is actually finisher spam in disguise and merely using skills as stepping stones.
>>577158236pigfried
>>577158236thunder soldier
>>577155731I heard Magi's Mjollnir does even less stun than Gae Bolg if it did full hits and wasn't bugged.
>>577158236Fraux. She's all about that ora ora punches.
>>577130429These fucking japs, bet they think they're being cute
>>577130628Job? Yes, very often in fact.
Is there a way to make the clock buffs last longer with on the clock? I feel like by the time I get all 3 buffs and finally enter golden clock mode, I'm already over halfway done with clock time. Is there something I'm missing? Maybe a faster way to get clock time?
>>577155836Getting a third bubble to cover half of the arena during Absolute Nothing would have been pretty funny.
>>577159589>Use Embrasque Sword to fill clock gauge>Get your remaining buffs with xyy>Now use your other skills to instantly reach finishers required for gold clock
>>577159571Maglielle wasn't serious like her hero Gilgamesh
>Fraux's sit emote is basically her letting The Devil grope her ass god i wish
>pick up Sandy >"wait, this is actually really fun">get completely hooked>can't stop thinking about playing Sandy even at work this homo lives rent free in my head now
>>577160349"instantly" is still 3/4 of bar left if you dont miss finishers
>>577158793I pick the hammer for the Blade Dance gain more than the stun
Do you need stun power for ranged characters like say Rackam or Tweyen? I just want to mash square desu.
retard here, do i actually need Narmaya's sigils? Warpath having -30% sba gain sounds brutal(maybe thats why people are allways behind on bar), do i actually need it? she also gets SuppDmg on a skill and on 2 of her master traits, are those additive? or should i only bother getting them from one source? and do you even need her other sigils? 50% to keep the butterflies sounds good but do you even need the one that gives you an extra butterfly? i havent gotten to using her yet(my cap on her is over 160% and i have no idea how to fucking fix that) but from the ones ive seen on hexa they mainly focus on stance combos and i very rarely see them using skills
>>577162430I like using it but I hate how you can't dodge cancel out of it and ended up just using soear since you can just press and instant cancel it. Veil gauge hasn't been too much of a problem anyway ever since I started doing L guard cancel.
>>577164809You want it because extra damage plus supplementary damage is a fucking lot.Yeah -30% gain is fucking horrid but at worst you're last in the chain.
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>>577164809Just don't Setsuna when your team is expecting to chain and you're still behind.Setsuna gives like 1 or 2 SBA is not worth how long you have to wait for the charge and the entire animation to play out.
These 2 clearly fuck eachother
>>577167405Historiath and Lyria? 100%
When are we going to finally admit that Lucilius was right?
what skills and mastery should I use on maglielle
>>577170626>MasteryCrux>SkillsShieldGunWhatever you want in the last two slots, I use Spear and Hammer but all of her skills have a use case
is rosetta actually good or is it a meme?
>>577171343She is good but requires more efforts than other characters and she isn't meta tier good. Basically not worth it if you don't like her.
How important are overmasteries? Do you want cap cap cap + crit/stun on everyone?
>>577172009They're beyond irrelevant. 20% damage cap is probably not even .5% extra damage.
>>577172009triple stun + hp maybe
>>577171113alright thanks
>>577171343She is actually a character now. The rework on buff/debuff made her an asset and her lost love build actually lets her put out damageShe is basically a better Kat >>577117997
>>577172374>triple stunYou can getl stun power that many times in one roll!?
>>577171550>>577174309my main is kat... i just want to play an older lady (relatively)... im tired of all these young girls....
>>577174612Well, that's too bad, because Rosetta is young. YOUNG!
anyone wanna grind these out with me? I have like an hour before I need to head out to the gym.
>>577174612Then don't play Rosetta because she is literally a child
>>577175175All Primals are 500+ years old, I don't get why this one is so sensitive about her age...
>>577174384with the cheapest one you are more likely to get dupe lines with those basic stats
>>577174825wow ok cant even find a group for the ice wolf anymore, i guess everyone is doing defy quests with others nowadays.
>>577176591whenever I go back for weapon mats I try online and then if I can't find anything in 5 minutes say fuck it and take my AI
>>577177196but its more fun with other people...
>>577177312well yeah that's why I try at all.but I'm not gonna sit there for half an hour
>>577175953STINKYSTINKY LICH
what are your difficulty rankings for the infinity quests Ive only beaten the world and want to know what I should try next
>>577174825
>>577180519world, bubs, versa, hexa, luciworld is piss easy since you don't even need amazing damage or stun since he gives you both with his gimmick.Bubs is pretty much perfect for me, he requires decent damage and stun or else you'll time out or get los endos'd and his attacks are very telegraphed and fair once you've run it a few times.Versa is dogshit and feels like a clusterfuck of spamming bullshit aoes that cover the walkable area around the boss and punishes you for getting hit at all because you need darkflame but getting hit with it detonates it and fucks you over, and is a flying bitch that'll rng waste your very limited time just doing random bullshit while running the clock.hexa is the closest thing to sir barrold as an infinity boss, but it requires pretty hefty stun checks that pub players never properly build for and can easily lead to the quest failing after one or two stun check failures, the aoes are all relatively simple since they mostly reuse dragon ones so most of them can be dodged easily until it decides to just spam a bunch of shit all of once and they can hit really fucking hard and completely overwhelm you, also the platforming section is a pain if you don't know the optimal route because pub players sure as shit don't and you'll lose time on the dps check because of it.Luci inflicts max hp down and skill seal (hit him to reduce duration of all the debuffs he applies) and has rough dps/stun/sba checks along with encouraging but not 100% requiring an enemy buff cleanse, paradise lost and some of his attacks can seem crazy but they aren't that bad once you get to know them, but pub players just cannot handle it, if you do it in pubs expect quite a bit of failed runs before you get a good team who can actually clear it
cant even get a quick quest
>>577182949i dont think anyone does quick quests anymore, im pretty sure they still only match you into the lowest level missions too
>>577183563Nah.Part of the reason why i'm not really doing them anymore is because they mostly match into chaos++ now so you're literally just taking a hit to your stats for no reason.
defense is way overtuned in the dlc
>beat infinity beezlebub with 4 seconds left
Is Fraux good with ascension or terminus?
>>577180519Bubs probably the easiest, I've seen slow runs if people are too intimidated by him but it doesn't really matter if people fall off and his stun/DPS checks are generous enough that it's still fine if 1-2 people aren't pulling weightWorld is a similar contender, I've never seen it fail unless you get a glass cannon who can't deal with Judgement, but it can be slow if you have a Song or something who won't perfect guard and he keeps shooting at her in the backHexa probably middle ground, it should really just be a punching bag but people are just really bad at stunning or even hitting the correct crystal for some reason and the checks are strictVersa and Luci as hardest/most likely to failPeople ignore the Versa mechanic and straight up can't kill him in time, or floortank because they aren't tanky enough to take stray hits from IdLuci just kills people outright a lot, and some of his DPS/SBA checks are actually strict and gamending
>>577188410She is one of the best damage dealers
>>577189998Does that mean she doesn't need terminus and can go full tanktard or I should go all in and use terminus?
>>577126498H O S T IT
>>577190629All "immortal" builds are fucking retarded. Stick with Terminus and if you want to play tank just use stronghold+steelnerves+stout heart
>>577190629almost every character wants terminus, only characters who I can even imagine who don't want it would be sub danchou and even then I've heard people run max dps terminus sub danchou, tldr just use terminus on everyone
>>577190857This better not be cropped porn...
Should I use terminus without the last transcendance or fully transcended awakening for my first clears of the defy infinity quests ?Terminus looks like it has a bit more damage cap but less useful traits
>>577192583>terminus without the last transcendance>Terminus looks like it has a bit more damage cap but less useful traitsMy man are you high?
>>577193347I dunno, Supp damage 25 is not bad compared to dmg cap level 12 and the swappable trait which doesn't have any great options
>>577194001..what about the other trait?
>>577192583ascension is better until max terminus
>>577194493If you're referring to the one that gives you dmg cap for master levels it is not unlocked.If you're referring to the atk/dmg cap one it is only 70% more dmg cap than ascension which is not nothing but it's not a huge difference either
>>577196825>>577196825>>577196825
>>577171343apparently her roses don't deal supplementary damage and this has made people very mad
