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are these a coop?

>>577174279
>hell let loose
not darktide, so no
>wardogs
not darktide, so no

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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>577174279
i wouldnt say pvp fps games are coop

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SOMEONE CALL FOR A BOOM?

>>577174342
Just because you had to split your dick into a gaping axe wound doesn't mean you also have to split the general, tranny. Kill yourself.

But also no, those games don't apply for other reasons.

>>577174204
You forgot to update the patch notes.

So is the skittles power sword worth trying now? The moveset seems a bit jank but the concept is cool.

Anybody running it already? What talents do you lean into for it?

>>577172065
Wait, overpressure works that way? That you gain more damage based on how EMPTY the tank is? I thought it was the inverse, that you have the maximum amount of damage bonus on a full tank that then dwindles as the tank empties which, you know, the name of the blessing kind of implies.

Fucking fatshart.

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>>577175154
This should answer your question unambiguously.
>0 stacks at 33/33
>5 stacks at 03/33

>>577175340
That's such a misleading blessing name and in-game description

>>577175486
I keep saying that fagshart don't understand their own game mechanics well enough, and don't have a sufficient grasp of the English language, to write accurate descriptions.

>>577174279
Hell Let Loose isn't co-op since it's pvp only and 50v50 is just massive. If there is an FPS general it would probably go in there. That being said, it's a very realistic game the necessitates teamwork. Wardogs is pvp only too, so I would vote no as well.

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>>577174204
Do fatshark not have internal metrics telling them that practically nobody uses half the weapons on the game, while overpowered weapons like combat blades and purgatus staff are severely overrepresented?
Where are the balance passes? Fatshark letting iconic 40k weapons like chainswords and infantry lasguns remain garbage is absolutely retarded.

>>577175928
in heresy you have lots of people running the braced autogun and heavy sword :^)

>>577175928
>Do fatshark not have internal metrics telling them that practically nobody uses half the weapons on the game, while overpowered weapons like combat blades and purgatus staff are severely overrepresented?
Data is only useful if you can also parse it. That parser needs to be configured by someone who actually understands the game, and important metrics. Fatshark don't understand jack shit.
There is a non-zero chance that they don't even order by difficulty or things like win rate, and just retardedly look at shit like "oh look the infantry lasgun is actually used more often than the recon las, therefore it must be good!" without filtering for literal embryo level 1 vet freshies that physically cannot use a different gun, and may legitimately be too retarded to even figure out how to acquire and use a different gun for several missions before quitting the game for good.

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To no one's surprise vanguard enemies are getting nerfed

>>577176384
the double push thing is a cool idea. too bad they're now such pushovers that you don't even have time to do it before they're all dead

>>577176384
>make a cancer enemy with cancerous amount of health and damage reduction for no actual areason
>nobody fucking likes it
>it's getting nerfed
Gee, Billy. I can't really figure out why that could be...

>>577175928
>practically nobody uses half the weapons on the gam
Most of the players don't leave heresy, and they use whatever they want.

>>577175928
The devs are all stuck playing heresy, a difficulty where every weapon is at least half viable.

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Can a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus join the Inquisition as an Inquisitor? Can Space Marines fully join the AdMech as Tech Priests or beyond just getting augmetics? Is there such a thing as an Arbitrator Tech Priest and vice versa? Have there been any ‘hive scums’ or people of similar low stations in life managing to occupy a powerful position before? How often do the various organizations and factions of the Imperium overlap and cross over like this? These are some burning questions I’ve had recently. Thoughts?

>we need some time to make sure we get the skitarii patch just right ;)
>skitarii patch arrives
>they maybe made the power sword not shit
>aside from that, nothing
hwhut

>>577178151
>Can a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus join the Inquisition as an Inquisitor?
No.
>Why?
Clankers are not to be trusted.

>>577178151
>Can a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus join the Inquisition as an Inquisitor
Probably not seeing as the politics there are pretty fucked.
>Can Space Marines fully join the AdMech as Tech Priests or beyond just getting augmetics
Have you literally never heard of a techmarine before
>Is there such a thing as an Arbitrator Tech Priest and vice versa
No and no.
>Have there been any ‘hive scums’ or people of similar low stations in life managing to occupy a powerful position before
Rogue Trader CRPG offers "Crime Lord" as an origin, so that's basically hive scum into rogue trader nobility, but that's largely birthright so I guess the kid just got lost at some point and did some gang shit growing up.

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>>577178151
>Can a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus join the Inquisition as an Inquisitor?
It's best to think of the Mechanicus as being a separate nation that is closely aligned to the IoM rather than part of the IoM. That will give you a better feel for the kind of political relations between members of the machine cult and the rest of humanity. So the Inquistion won't recruit from the mechanicus for leadership roles just like national intelligence agencies don't hire foreigners to act as their spymasters. But in both cases they'll recruit outsiders as lower ranking assets.

>>577179897
She looks like she fucks martyr Zealots

>>577176646
Funny how they nerfed their hp by 50% in Malice and only 21% in Damnation
They know their audience (you)

>the funny skitarii bubble now regenerates like it should've when the class came out
>the mechanicus power sword now has big dick damage and some less weird combos maybe
anyone using either of them? or are they still trash

patch looks good, noosy spam is kill, shield is buffed. Still not enough to actually change my build however. Might put the purg skull on now though. Especially since you get extra charges. Still don't think it's a very useful ability.

>>577180264
>noosy spam is kill
"No" >>577141618

>>577178151
>Can Space Marines fully join the AdMech as Tech Priests
No, they train to become tech marines then return to their chapter, but they are pretty much inducted into the cult mechanicus to the degree it's more important to them than chapter culture in most cases.

Which graphics settings have the best performance gain to graphics quality loss ratios?

>>577175928
Pretty sure they focus on Heresy for the most part. It's where the devs and most people seem to play. Data analytics is pretty complex and expensive so there's a real question of if they have the funds to pay for it.

>>577180213
bubble is neat and at least i'm not directly griefing by taking grenades from the team
still objectively worse than taking skull, but that's to be expected
sword is ok

>>577180381
yeah i'm never even below 2 cap charges and i spam noos all game. I was more making a joke than anything. It will always be the strongest skull unless they kneecap the dozen ways to regen capacitance you can shit out your ass whenever you want

>>577179330
>Have you literally never heard of a techmarine before
I’m pretty sure that’s what he meant by “beyond getting augmetics”

>>577180543
depends on your hardware

>>577180543
Obviously RTX rapes your performance and is mostly unnoticable in this game. DLSS will give you a nice fps boost even on quality preset

>>577180213
Combo is a nothingburger because it doesn't change neither horde clearing loop nor single target loop
Charged attacks still take 3 business days to charge so they're still unusable
Overall it got a tiny range increase and a tiny mobility boost, and neither were problems that needed fixing

>>577180695
Probably not, space marines get bionics all the time to fix battle damage, and the iron hands just do it in general.

>>577180658
I think that they might be able to fairly nerf the nooskull by fucking with the cone of fire so that it is less of a viable answer to snipers and other distant specials.

I still don't see myself ever giving up the skull. The baseline ability to just have it solo a hacking event for me while I'm busy carrying retards is too useful.

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Here's your next class

>>577180753
That would be a 3600 and a 2070 super.

>>577180695
A techmarine is a fully trained tech priest who is entirely indoctrinated into their order.

>>577181024
I saw you post this earlier and have all those people agree.
>sister of battle overlaps too much with zealot because they're both faith characters
>pyroclast, damn, that's a good idea, it definitely doesn't overlap with zealot both being incendiary weapon characters
This general is unreal.

>>577181138
They're not tech priests, tech priest is a rank in the admech hierarchy.

>>577181356
Zealot has fucking nothing going on for fire, he just has access to the flamer. He has zero actual talents that affect fire or burning.

>>577175928
Why are you so obsessed with combad blades? NOBODY uses that shit anymore and every class has class-exclusive weapons that are ten times better in both single target damage and wave clear

>>577181389
They are one and the same, it's the same education, same honors, the only difference is one of them is a genetically enhanced super soldier who is obligated to go back to his chapter and clean their guns after. Techmarines are issued an omnissian axe just like tech priests are.

>>577181475
he also has the flame grenade but it's so generic it might as well be any other effect

>>577181475
Sounds like zealot needs a rework, or the fire tree could just be included as a fourth talent tree line :^)
Too much overlap, dumb, gay, zealot should just get a pyroclast cosmetic.

MPS should have Thrust.
Together with the right buffs and stacks it should do mega damage to crusher faces.
Fatshark, i'm available for hire. You know where to find me. Go to /copeg/ and ask for Anon.

>>577181683
Does it even apply actual burning or is it just a damaging effect?

>>577181837
I don't know

>>577181782
But there is no overlap besides access to a single weapon type. Whereas for a SoB (I know it's you), there's nothing but overlap.

>>577181809
It has built-in thrust on charged attacks that builds up to 30 strength
Fuck thrust
This shit is unusable
It straight up needs 50% more damage on basic attacks and 200% more damage on charged attacks if they want to keep this retarded charge mechanic.
When I charge for 3 seconds and then stab a mauler in the face, it should fucking die, not lose 30% of its hp

>>577150739
>NuLore doesn't count
>while listing NuLore
Also Astarte was a different person to the one who scattered them. That was Erda. All 40k lore after Rogue Trader sucks

>>577182112
Yeah it's just one weapon. Just Zealot's only unique ranged weapon, which he has specific voicelines for using. Nothing significant or iconic of the class or anything.

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>help someone
>they don't say thank you
>i don't help them again next time

>>577178151
>Have there been any ‘hive scums’ or people of similar low stations in life managing to occupy a powerful position before?
yeah definitely, the inquisition is an extremely meritocratic organization by the imperium's standards, the only real qualifiaction is that some inquisitor likes you enough to train you and a couple other inquisitors are prepared to sign off on you. there have probably been countless gangers turned inquisitors while most of the "regular" government jobs are strictly for the hereditary nobility

>>577180942
>I think that they might be able to fairly nerf the nooskull by fucking with the cone of fire so that it is less of a viable answer to snipers and other distant specials.
I think giving it a little bit of spread would be a good idea, yeah. It feels a little silly that it's so grossly effective beyond 30 meters.
Alternatively, make the damage falloff stronger. It would still be amazing if it dealt half the damage at the longest range, but your spread suggestion is probably better since it indirectly achieves that.

I also think just reducing its overall damage output to 60~70% of what it is right now, is probably warranted. I wouldn't want to go too far with nerfs without having some time to actually test it out though.

Unfortuantely, fagshart are fucking retarded, so they'll either not touch it at all, or completely kneecap it into uselessness. At least they were conservative in the current patch and just applied the bugfix that was sorely needed. In fact, all of the bugfixes were, and the initial changes for the blitzes look fine, so the class is in a decent state now, it just needs some more balance polish that probably won't be done correctly because the devs are malicelets.

>>577182535
>foundryplex
>use attack-into-slide and dodge-off-ledge to yeet myself ahead of the entire team
>get to hte part where you jump onto the catwalk ringing the big trash bin at the start
>miss the dodge off the ledge and hang off the railing
>everyone runs past
well gg

>>577182535
Chaos made you evil and twisted

>>577182252
Not very iconic if the class cannot be built around it, now is it?

is the thunder hammer really that bad? it looks like bardins 2h hammer and i raped a lot of rats with that thing.

>>577183301
Ratclick is an easier game

>>577183301
ok buddy we'll wait for you at the valkyrie while you're still finishing off the first poxxer group that jumped you

>>577183301
it has extremely niche use cases (full martyrdom one clap boss in the ass build) and it sucks at everything else

>>577181639
It's an equivalent side rank granted to them so they can work with the more advanced space marine equipment because it's unacceptable for a layman to even touch it with the intent to maintain, but they don't have enough tech priests to cover all the equipment in every company of every chapter in the galaxy. They don't have the same duties or expectations as actual faction tech priests because they aren't part of the admech faction.

>>577182203
>It has built-in thrust on charged attacks that builds up to 30 strength
exactly. Thrust stacking is fun. It could be a chord claw lite

>>577183708
double barrel horde clears fine

>>577183301
i just played with someone with a thunder hammer and they did just fine

>>577183875
stop giving them ideas
>they add a gimped thrust because it's a new weapon and new weapons should have gimped blessings
>gimped thrust adds 10 strength per stack
>your resulting hit at max charge is 160% strength instead of 130% strength
>you now deal 38% hp damage to a mauler on headshot instead of 31%
This shit is destined to suck
EVEN if hell froze over and they gave it a fully functional thrust it would still only reach 190% strength and would still only take 45% of mauler's hp
Blessings are not the problem
Mobility is not the problem
Combo is not the problem
It has no damage, it really is that simple

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>play ogryn
>try to get H40
>every few games I get up to H37 and then derank due to some buggy bullshit, team mate going full retard or I myself do a dumb mistake
At least I get to play havoc at a decent level but fucking hell man. I want out of this 35-37 mini trench
>inb4 git gud
I'm fucking trying but trying to split my focus between like 5-6 things at once trying to carry the team is pure hell and makes my head hurt

>>577182535
Based upholder of white civilizational norms.

>>577182925
It's a very strong blitz. I'm just happy that so fr the extent of the nerfs were stopping the
>lmao, fuck bringing any +capacitance. Let me exploit it's 0 cost and be greedier elsewhere in the build.

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I may have been wrong about the plasma gun on skitty.
I thought the explodey mark was superior, and it really is quite fucking strong as a grenade replacement for bailing you out of bad situations, WHILE also being a good boss killer.
However, the GOOD OL' PLASMA GUN with a primary fire build does such retarded amounts of DPS that my teammates didn't even have a chance to damage the bosses in my most recent auric, and they were actually surprisingly decent players for once.
>erased half of a daemonhost's health bar in a singular heat bar
>chaos spawn down to 40% health before it even had a chance to get close

I know this build looks extremely retarded. No, I won't elaborate.
The thermal dump build with Rising Heat is still fucking excellent and definitely preferable for newfriends, so don't try to copy this unless you're rich and want to experiment and believe some random faggot on 4chan.

How do I become at least decent at Darktide? I'm going to have to carry the Karnak Twins mission to ever see it completed at this point and I'm too shit to do that even on Malice.

I play Skitarius, my strategy that I've managed to develop over the multiple attempts is to pop my bullet shield and bumrush the gun guy with my chainsword. He normally goes down in one sawing. My big issue is handling the millions of heavies that start rolling in halfway through the fight. Phosphor Blast can take them out pretty quick but not quick enough, especially when poison is filling the room and a bunch of popcorn enemies are crawling all over me.

>>577183301
Yes it is. It's really that bad. It doesn't hold a candle to the 2H hammer.

>>577184734
>Blessings are not the problem
>Mobility is not the problem
>Combo is not the problem
>It has no damage, it really is that simple
It's honestly weird how common this is for most weapons in this game.
Like take vigilant autoguns, they are just fine in execution, have good blessings, etc. but the only thing holding them back is their god awful damage.
But instead of just buffing their over all damage the devs go full retard and instead they "buff" the base damage so the gun can kill on torso shots, and then fucking nerf the gun's finesse modifiers for some retard reason

What's the best class + build for high difficulty that i can just copy and it will "just work" without thinking about million different random mechanics in the background?

[Idea]
They should give every weapon a blessing that gives that weapon a functional special attack.

>>577185445
Rumbler ogryn. Just shoot potatoes everywhere and everything dies. Zero thought required.

>>577178151
>Can Space Marines fully join the AdMech as Tech Priests or beyond just getting augmetics?
Some Chapters with a tendency for machine worship like the Iron Hands and their successors have greater ties to the AdMech but are otherwise unaffiliated with them.

>>577179897
Yeah but peeps from admech come form the Imperium I presume, or high level members are like from tech-nobility? So it's like when nation-states don't trust the Catholic Church members. Anyway yes way back it was like this: Mechanicum was actually a separate polity, but now is that still the case? And how the fuck the inquisition still don't know how binharic works, if it's true that admech members are from the Imperium. They get brainwashed and controlled to that degree?

>>577185215
Why not use Gets Hot? It gives you both 50% crit chance and 50% crit damage. It's just a direct upgrade to Power Blast.

>>577185278
>How do I become at least decent at Darktide?
Wear headphones, turn off auditory distractions like music, voice chat or the TV, and listen for audio cues. The game is designed to have no bullshit surprises I know it has audio issues, that's incompetence, not intentional design, ranged and melee attacks all have distinct "whoosh" sound effects that play semi-reliably and let you technically survive almost blind.

Slide more. As in, so often that it borders on fucking retarded. Develop the necessary muscle memory to PERFECTLY chain slides together, and you can become practically projectile immune.

Blocking is 360 deg around you, as is pushing. Blocking is cheaper from the front. Abuse this. You can blindly push dogs if you can't find the time to turn around. In general, push and block more if you're struggling to stay alive.

Pay more attention to your positioning. Unless you're extremely confident in your mechanical mastery of the game, sticking with your team is the best thing you can possibly do. You get bonuses for being near them, and any error you make is more easily mitigated by having a buddy to potentially bail you out. Yes, I know most teammates suck a bag of cocks, but most of them usually at least try to be helpful, they're just often too retarded and too overwhelmed to do it.

>My big issue is handling the millions of heavies that start rolling in
The reality check is that you're using a bad weapon, with presumably a bad build. Try the default shock maul with Skullcrusher, it should also rip the shield apart without being a piece of shit.

>>577185828
>turn off music
Stopped reading there

>>577185773
>Why not use Gets Hot?
Because I was basing this build off an old and outdated or incorrect assumption that Gets Hot! isn't very good, and trusting the odious Sw*de's talent description.

I stand corrected! Good suggestion. I just erased about half of a plague ogryn's health bar from cold.

>when you play so much darktide you try dodging/sliding in other FPS games that don't have it

>>577186101
Not the game's music, but whatever nighop that zoomoids blast nowadays. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
I would never suggest to turn off Jesper Kyd, the man is a genius.

>>577183275
You build around it by taking it.

>>577185425
>It's honestly weird how common this is for most weapons in this game.
It's not that weird. Auric is quite well balanced. Balance is mostly a havoc issue. Fatshark isn't good enough to play havoc. And therefore havoc balance is a fuck.

>>577186220
this but bullet jumping from warframe

>>577183801
Nope. You seem to be under the impression that it's
>ultramarines want a tech dude
>they send a brother to the admech
>he comes back still an ultramarine, but also trained a bit
when in reality it's
>ultramarines want a tech dude
>they send a brother to the admech
>he comes back a believer in the omnissiah, a full blown admech member, and they have to just pretend like him wearing full red instead of chapter colors is okay now

>>577186456
i stopped playing warframe in 2015, what's bullet jumping?

>>577186386
Ah yes, take the weapon that you cannot improve through talents at all. What a wonderful choice.

And fuck you in advance if you are planning on saying that the few ranged damage perks zealot has affect the flamer in any meaningful way

>>577186438
Havoc will never be "balanced" if the difficulty mostly comes from having to DPS through ridiculous amounts of HP and armor. Other way would be to tone down the stat boosts enemies get and focus on special modifiers and maybe even havoc exclusive enemies and enemy behaviors (like in KF2 husk would do the flamethrower attack only on higher diffs). That would be too much effort for swedes, of course.

>>577183801
>>577186637
Also, a tech marine being a fully fledged tech priest is a requirement for him to do his work, as no one else is allowed to know their secrets or practice blessed maintenance except them.

>>577183986
I took all the ammo while you were busy with the poxxers

>>577186741
if you crouch and then jump your character does a spiral kind of jump with major momentum. You can use it for quick traversal or to jump super high.

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>>577185445
Arbitrator with this setup.
>True Grit
Insurance, and a good shitter crutch.
>Forceful stun immunity
Lets you force objectives without interruption while being backstabbed by poxers and letting your retarded toughness regen do all the work for you.
You may not have enough points to max out your ability with this, depending on how much defensive investment you take near the top and center, but that's okay. 1 point BTL with no frills is still very strong, for example.

Use a melee weapon that doesn't rely too heavily on crit or rending talents (like tac axe), the two unique melee weapons the class gets are both good with this setup. Either one of the shotguns is good too, just be aware that Forceful's cleave has slightly better synergy with the spreadshot one since it lets you beam entire hallways. The accurate mark is much better for pretending you're veteran and sniping gunners dead, and has slightly better boss damage.
Just remember to put unyielding + Full Bore on your shotgun if you care about shooting bosses (shield is pretty mediocre against them). Scattershot is the best blessing on the spreadshot one because it crits like a motherfucker.


If you want a non-DLC class, rumbler ogryn is by far the easiest, but not entirely free because snipers can still harass you. I suggest bringing rocks to deal with mutants.
Alternatively, Fatmangus-styled zealot is borderline retardproof, even if zealot is a little on the weak side atm.

>>577186849
Are you trying to suggest that flamer isn't one of zealot's top ranged slot picks?
Are you trying to suggest that there are any other ranged weapons he can somehow improve upon better than the flamer?
lol?

>>577186101
survival in this game is 75% sound if you refuse to turn down your brazilian mumblephonk you can enjoy remaining hardstuck on malice

>>577185828
I feel like I pay attention to all of those (I'm even pretty good at blindly avoiding dogs and muties) except sliding. I noticed once or twice that it avoids ranged attacks but didn't really internalise it.

My target prio is probably off and I think my mechanical skill is sub-par somewhere. Ragers especially fuck me up, feels like you can't block them at all. Is it possible to turn and run from them?
I see people mention kiting sometimes, but I don't do that at all. I hate kiting as a concept in games but I'll incorporate it if that's a good idea.

>The reality check is that you're using a bad weapon, with presumably a bad build
I haven't felt any lacking from my weapons, at least so far. My build is probably pretty bad, I enjoy making my own but I'm not very good at it.

>>577187072
The flamer deals pitiable direct ranged damage. ANY other ranged weapon choice he has benefits more from his ranged talents.

>>577186438
>Auric is quite well balanced.
No the fuck it isn't. Shit like flamer, flame staff, rumbler, etc. just turn the damn thing into a snore fest.

While shit like vigilant autoguns, ILGs, IAGs, heavy swords, etc. all fucking suck dick.

>>577178151
Maxim Borusa from Execution Hour. Probably my favorite 40k Story. And you can even listen to it as an 11 hour long audio story. It's worth a listen!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAIHUhXpdpw

>>577187185
I listen to game's OST which is too good to outright mute. I still hear things just fine.

>>577187190
if you can't make it through the twins on malice your build is subpar. if you're still leveling and learning to play, just play other missions until you have solid gear and can survive against poxxers mixed with a mauler or rager or three

the main difficulty of the twins mission is that your teammates have no object permanence, go down and agrodump on you before any of the shields are down

I find that it goes fast if I focus the plasmagun twin because at least one of my teammates will already be fighting the sword twin and we can 2v1

>>577178151
>Can a member of the Adeptus Mechanicus join the Inquisition as an Inquisitor?
As a Tech-Inquistor yes

>>577187190
>My target prio is probably off
Always kill trappers with such extreme prejudice that one might think a trapper committed war crimes against your bloodline. Always prioritize mutants if possible, they are basically run-enders. Try to get teammates out of a mutant grab too if possible, even if it means pulling out your gun and "wasting" ammo just because it might have slightly faster time to kill.
Try to get better at pulling out your gun and snapping onto a flamer's head when their gun does the wind-up roar. Even just stopping them from firing with a staggering bodyshot makes a difference. Once they start firing, visibility gets utterly fucked, and you're too late.
Keep your head on a swivel and look out for your teammates. They might also struggle with ragers the same way that you do, and it might be a huge help to just fire a couple shots in the general direction.

>Ragers especially fuck me up, feels like you can't block them at all.
You can, but too many of them will break your block. This may be a stamina issue, are you out of stamina very often? Skitty is pretty bad at stamina, you COULD consider the far left side stamina restore, a +3 stamina curio, and maybe one block efficiency perk on your curios.
But ragers aren't really something you should block. Depending on your weapon you may be able to stagger them with pushes, or stagger them with blunt trauma to the head. The shock maul entirely solves this problem by shoving it down their throat with the special, assuming it's just 1-3. If it's more than 3, you run the fuck away or dodge-slide to gain distance, then circle around them and pick them off one by one. No shame in pulling out your gun either if you recognize that you're bad at fighting them in melee.

>I hate kiting as a concept in games
I'm afraid you'll have to learn and apply this skill.

>>577187570
you don't have to mute the game music it tells you which boss is coming or when a horde is coming

but you should reduce volume so you can hear everything the enemies are doing

>>577186101
>>577186342
>>577187185
I'll never turn off a games own OST, and I detest when people does that. Some of my friends wnet as far as to mute Monter-Hunter's OST so they could listen to their own music instead.... Fucking animals

>>577183301
>is the thunder hammer really that bad?
in higher Havoc yes

>>577183301
>>577183723
Its niche was also completely invalidated by the relic blade doing the same thing with none of the downsides.
I guess it technically still manages to hit (near?) 2-shots with a chorus build, I've had a very small handful of zealots bring chorus thammer into h40 and successfully pull off boss nuking, but they also do basically nothing else. Pretty low value to be honest. Only reason I let them in was because I was curious about the performance, and they were exceptional players, but the builds themselves weren't very good unfortunately.

>>577187629
I'm kinda surprised that talents can make THAT level of difference then. I have a bit much on toughness maybe, I'll take a look and revise. I don't think it's my damage though, since I take the guy's shield down within a few seconds of them appearing (if I can get to him).

>>577187772
I'm good at hearing flamers coming but bad at finding them, they always seem to blend in really well. I think I'm a pretty good team player, I'm always paying attention to where my team is and if someone is straying I try to slow down so I can run back and help if they need it.
Do people actually consider it "wasted" ammo if you shoot a disabler dead? I'd think that's a max priority in most situations.

>I'm afraid you'll have to learn and apply this skill.
Any tips or is it as easy as waiting for a combo to end and running off?

Thanks btw

>>577187452
yes there are exceptions, genius

>>577188636
>Do people actually consider it "wasted" ammo if you shoot a disabler dead? I'd think that's a max priority in most situations.
Nah, I wouldn't think so. It also depends on the individual weapons ammo economy and your talents.

Thunder hammer powered strikes should strike an area around the primary target for slightly reduced damage and the powering up should not be a separate action but rather a special attack like those of other melee weapons.

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>>577181782
>Sounds like zealot needs a rework, or the fire tree could just be included as a fourth talent tree line :^)
This and unironically
Remove Shroudfield tree and remake it into Death Cult Assassin class
Add Redemptionists style fire tree to a Zealot instead

>>577188636
>Do people actually consider it "wasted" ammo if you shoot a disabler dead?
No, I meant more specifically, for example, being in close range as a zealot, but pulling out your bolt pistol EVEN THOUGH you could melee the thing, because bolt pistol with maniacs on it might do more DPS than your melee weapon. It depends on your build. I don't know what you're using.
I play a fair bit of crusher zealot, and the crusher does virtually no fucking damage, so I pull out my bistol to kill mutants slamming a teammate.
>Any tips or is it as easy as waiting for a combo to end and running off?
Never get yourself cornered, always keep your back open if possible, don't back yourself into a wall. Try to kite into areas you already explored, don't kite forward, you might unexpectedly trigger enemies that way.
You can consider waiting for the combo to end, ragers are pretty stationary once they start flailing so they're not much of a threat if you're not nearby. You can switch to a different target, or shoot them, or move in a J-shape to re-engage the other 2 ragers while the first couple are still swinging.
It's usually a bad idea to fight them all head-on on most classes, but you CAN kinda sorta time your dodges to avoid many of their attacks. You'll learn, with time, when to spam dodges even past the dodge limit, but it's not exactly safe. Not every class is arbitrator who can just push any of three buttons and invalidate ragers.

Although you do have a button to stop them, in Voltaic Expander/Emitter. Yes, even the really awful default ability stuns them, you just need to be close enough.

>>577188636
you should commit the backwards dodge slide to muscle memory, if you want to survive rager packs and bursters (after shoving) reliably

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>>577189445
>They will never give us the dual flamer

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>>577184889
make your own lobbies and start inspecting their builds so you actually invite competent people?
yes, it's going to take a lot of filtering out fake 40s and true shitters and might take an extra 15 more mins, but it is what it is

bought the skitarii dlc last night, are proto clankers op? you can get giga toughness damage reduction and replenishment, you dont need to engage with the hacking minigame and if one of you retarded teammates go down you just send your servo skull, what else can these guys do?

>>577188636
>surprised that talents can make THAT level of difference then
on most classes talents will make you massively more survivable through damage resistance and toughness regeneration, and the correct build for a weapon can literally 5-10x your DPS. same goes for weapon scaling

the malice twins mission can be both very challenging on a level 5 character with grey weapons capped to 100-200 power and utterly trivial on anything approaching a complete meta build with a full talent tree and correctly built weapons. to the point where you can literally just walk forward shooting or light attacking and do 2x the damage in an auric that the entire team does in malice

You're all gonna give me shit for it (rightfully) but i installed some actual cheats like wallhacks and 360 aimbot, and actually being able to see how poxbursters and trappers spawn just around corners instead of through doors, and how silent they are, and how bombers can throw grenades instantly as soon as they spawn while being hidden away that my aimbot cant kill them made me realize just how bullshit a lot of situations are. If you get grabbed by muties or dogs its still your fault, but if your team cant communicate and position instantly as soon as fire and gas spreads with a boss around then you cant really play good enough to circuimvent that on your own

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So... is there a reason to play Auric/Havoc other than cosmetics? In fact, let's go one layer deeper and ask if there's a reason to play the game at all once you have godrolled and maxed out weapons? For the fun of it, sure, but then we come back to the first question, if one should play the highest difficulties for the love of the game, since this general seems to be full of people bemoaning their experiences playing these difficulties.

>>577190453
i find them strangely squishier than they should yet somehow tankier

>>577190453
drawback is you've got the stamina of a 50 year old asbestos factory worker with asthma

>>577190705
skittles is extremely survivable so long as you don't get cornered and out of abilities at which point you're fucked. it relies mostly on gimmicks for zoning. if you can plan your positioning about 2-3 seconds ahead you will take barely any damage but you can't just brute force shove shit out of your face without spending capacitance.

>>577190654
Pretty bad bait but you seem desperate you here's a free (You)

>>577190983
yeah, thats what i said

>>577191119
Sounds like you are dodging the question, anon.

>>577190654
auric is not that difficult it's just the same game but with more enemies.

whining about auric is mostly by havoc players who are used to having more reliable teammates. havoc is much harder but it has the whole ranking/deranking aspect meaning you are more likely to run into players who understand the game enough to stick together, move forward in a consistent fashion and cover whoever is doing the objective. auric is open to anyone who has completed avout 15 misions and reached level 25 or so, which takes like 8-10 hours of playtime

>>577191297
Here's another (You) bud

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What do you think of the new update, /coopg/?

>>577190654
at the end of the day there's no reason to play any video game at all and this conclusion is drawn to it's logical extreme through games like Kenshi and Project Zomboid. The result is gamers are the most autistic members of society who are able to set their own goals and make their own fun. If you NEED a reason to play any game you'll find it yourself or just stop playing.

>>577191196
you didn't elaborate

>>577191453
didnt have to

>toughness nodes? skill issue
>toughness reduction nodes? skill issue
>dodge nodes? skill issue
>revive speed? skill issue
>damage reduction? skill issue
>raising a shield? skill issue
>disabling enemies? skill issue
>revive skills? skill issue
>piss toughness? skill issue

>>577191315
no, its just damnation with double modifier, its usually fine, but i dont play it because vent purge and lights out are still in the game

>>577189591
>>577189445
Go apply for fartshart because this would unironically save the class

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do I download this for horde siege mode? or is this only for pvp?
that 12 player horde mode looks really cool

>>577186938
fug

>>577189591
I would settle for a flamer pistol.

Considering the size of the Darktide patch, how long until we get something datamined?

>>577192361
>12 player horde mode
you have grabbed my attention

>>577192806
>Considering the size of the Darktide patch, how long until we get something datamined?
I'll be cynical, the patch only contained some new cosmetics for 4 original classes and a 4th Mortis Trials map.

I personally experienced a massive jump in player quality going from Heresy to Damnation, but what about Auric? I can handle myself fine in Damnation, and I only die if I fuck up and get stuck against a wall or something or similar. How much harder is Auric in general?

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new cosmetics were "datamined" but they're quite shite and I'm too lazy to post them all

>>577193712
>4th Mortis Trials map.
I wish Mortis was more popular, I find it way less stressful due to the map-layout and nature of it, but it's hard to find a game at times. What difficulty is usually the most populated?

>>577193805
damnation is full of underleveled retards who are on their first character and keep going down. auric is still full of retards but they are generally level 30. I'd say it mostly cancels out so long as your build has adequate DPS and survivability.

maelstroms can get quite intense and you will probably get overwhelmed at least occasionally unless you're used to much higher intensities, but the real difficulty spike are the havoc toughness grace period and boss spawn modifiers

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>>577185661
>Mechanicum was actually a separate polity, but now is that still the case?
Officially no, but effectively yes. They're a seperate cult within humanity. They worship their machine god. They pay lipservice to saying that the machine god is an aspect of the Emperor but that's just them bullshitting.

The mechanicus works closely with the imperium and oftentimes their goals align with the rest of humanity, but when their goals don't align they do not think twice about throwing their fellow humans under the bus in pursuit of their mission. Pic related is a clip from the "Fall of Cadia" cut scene in one of the battlefleet gothic games. If my memory serves, Cawl was research the necron pylons that dotted Cadia. He felt that this research was critical for containing the Eye of Terror. Cadia was busy fighting off Abadon's black crusade. Cawl requested Creed's permission to secure and study the pylon sites. Ultimately Creed granted the permission and helped the mechanicus with their project, but Cawl was prepared to assassinate Creed and launch HIS OWN FUCKING INVASION OF CADIA in pursuit of his own objective of studying those pylons before the black crusade's forces could claim the territory.

When I said the "rest of humanity" earlier, THEY AREN'T UNIFIED EITHER. All of the facets of imperial bureaucracy have their own leadership with their own goals and schemes. The ecclesiarchy, the guard, the navy, the space marines chapters, munitorium, high lords of terra, inquisition, assassin houses, and I'm sure I'm missing a few right now. They all have their own objectives that they think are more important than everyone elses'. They're intertwined but separate. It might be fair to describe humanity like a mythical multi-headed beast like a hydra or something. Yes it's one thing but there's discord and infighting between each head.

>>577194104
>>577193805
for context auric is actually the same base difficulty as damnation (enemy health/damage), just with modifiers (spawn intensity, composition, environmental)

>>577193840
Wow that's just fucking awful. I get it

>>577193805
IMO the main thing about auric is that there are way fucking more specials. If you're the kind of person who is good at killing specials then you'll probably be fine, but you'll be disgusted at the scoreboards showing that you killed 100 something specials while timmy killed 7. If you don't kill the bomber before he tosses that molotov then nobody fucking will. They probably don't even realize that flamers are approaching until they see the flames.

>>577193840
I don't know how people spot new items with this mod. I look in there and it all looks like the same frumpy trash I've seen a hundred times already.

>>577194532
Oh I see. That makes it less jaunting to get into I guess.

Just as a side note, I still think that the *Director* goes fucking insane at times, I had a match yesterday with a great team on Heresy, but the spawns where fucking insane with one boss after another + Pox-bursters and snipers spawning non-stop. It's a little weird how inconsistent it can feel at times

>>577194830
Anything more for ogryn? Like weapon skins?

>>577194830
Lmao what the hell this fucking sucks.

>>577195036
That's a weird name for a weapon skin

>>577194792
>If you're the kind of person who is good at killing specials
That's sort of the thing I focus on the most, It's usually really easy to hear them spawn, and most of the time I blast them as soon as they show up using the Arc-rifle, It's ammo economy also feels great so it's quite rare than I am unable to put one between their eyes.

But as you mentioned, I have seen people running right past Bombers and gunners just letting them continue their business, and I can't wrap my head around how you end up playing like that. Darktide feels fucking great when you have a proper team that actually plays together and covers each other, but lately it feels like it has attracted new players stuck in a COD mentality

>>577195261
The skull mask looks goofy

>>577195273
In pursuit of ammo efficiency, it can be more efficient to melee gunners. It requires good dodging and sliding habits, but it also requires appropriate terrain to facilitate engaging them. You also don't necessarily need to deal with gunners right away. By breaking line of sight and dealing with the melee threats, you can sometimes subsequently tackle the gunners once they overextend in pursuit of getting a clear line of fire.

I hope whomever came up with the blight spreads gets raped

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I'm honestly so over silent poxbursters.

>>577195897
the game is broken again, no? I just pushed one of them little niggers and it literally did nothing, visual and audio cues are fucked too

>>577196251
they've always been buggy
sometimes they get pushed, sometimes they don't, sometimes they make the sound, sometimes they don't

>>577195673
>NOOOOOO I DON'T WANNA USE HEALTH CURIOS NOOOOO
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE ME USE CORRUPTION RESIST

>>577196251
I just had a run where a poxburster just ran at me and COMPLETELY shrugged off four pushes from my transphobic blades, exploded in my face, and threw me off a cliff.
Thankfully the team was actually pretty good for once so they were fine and revived me and we won, but man that shit is fucking lame.

>>577196786
I say that

>>577196420
>sometimes they get pushed, sometimes they don't
Ever since it was pointed out to me that bursters have a sort of "armor" against pushing if you aren't their direct target, I feel like their behavior has mostly made sense to me in game, idk.

>>577196786
>uhh bro tailor your entire build down to the last talent for this annoying piece of shit event

Darktide 2 will save us from Swedish spaghetti code
Trust the plan.

>>577198513
I bet you're also upset because your fucktarded toughness aura zealot gets declined, faggot.

>>577198513
>I don't want solutions, I want to be mad

>>577194249
>They pay lipservice to saying that the machine god is an aspect of the Emperor but that's just them bullshitting.
Ehhh, a lot of them do genuinely believe that though. Maybe it started out as bullshitting but even people like Cawl are genuine Emperor lovers even if they ultimately put the Machine God first. The rest is true though. The AdMech are not good guys and they know the rest of the Imperium doesn’t like them, which is why they try their hardest to maintain their monopoly.

>>577184889
just play with ur friends :)

>>577199497
yes

>>577198513
mad cuz bad!

>>577195673
Yeah, it's cancer. It's neither fun or interesting, it just makes every mission that has it into an unfun shitty version of "floor is lava" that is just a slog to go through.
I'd unironically rather play rotten armor + purple shit instead.

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>>577195897
wtf is this really real, i've never seen a cat do this irl
>>577193805
Auric is definitely more action-packed overall, and I would argue it's the way the game is "best" played, though I'm sure some anons might disagree. Once you've spent some time in it, Damnation will feel empty, like you're actually competing with your teammates for every kill because there are so few specials. Conversely, the higher Havocs are simply too sweaty for casual play; if you aren't running at least a partially meta build, your ability to actually play the game is going to be noticeably limited.
Meanwhile, Auric is at that sweet spot where there are enough enemies that everybody can feel like they're racking up the kills, and a good player can run anything and perform just as well as someone with a full meta build without needing to jump through a billion hoops in the process.

>>577199545
>Maybe it started out as bullshitting but even people like Cawl are genuine Emperor lovers even if they ultimately put the Machine God first.
I wasn't trying to argue that they aren't loyal to the Emperor. It's that the higher ups put the Machine God first. The claim that the Machine God and the Emperor are one and the same is not a belief held by many of the high ranking leaders in the mechanicus, but they'll toe the party line when playing nice with everyone else.

>>577199545
>the rest of the Imperium doesn’t like them
Really? I would have thought they'd be everyone's favorite person to have show up given how important equipment maintenance is.

>>577200563
Techpriests are seen as a necessity, not a convenience, because a lot of them are antisocial autists who put the safety of tech over your life and will bitch at you if you clean your gun without saying the right prayers first. There can be personable or friendly Techpriests, but you won't always get one.

>>577200563
Plenty of the animations show dangerous the Mechanicus can be. They straight up don't see anyone else but themselves as people, and if they can get away with it they'll do horrible things to people and erase their existence from the records to get away with it.
They're necessary, that's about it, but dealing with them is a tense affair because they're pretty alien in thinking.

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>>577201127
I suppose that makes sense. I think I'm just biased because I think Admech are cool as fuck.
>>577201327
Yeah I just meant more on a general level, my understanding was that the fucked up things they do was kinda hush-hush and the average guardsman would just be like "oh thank god the tech priest showed up to make the lasguns work right again"

I should go replay Mechanicus desu

>>577201327
The fact that they refer to the others as "pre-servitors" and "precursors", implies that biological life exists only to be upgraded into mechanical life or to serve should tell anyone all they need to know about the Admech mindset.

>>577201729
>>577201327
they are literally bargain bin necrons. worship a c'tan shard and try to make themselves into clankers

>>577201729
In "Angels of Death" (one of those ugly ass animations with terrible lip-syncing), a Magos saves a guardsman, paralyses him, servitorises him and then she has him delete his own records of ever existing.
They can be big assholes. But they're cool.

>>577202314
sorry... sex with Castia Theta 9 NOW

>>577202619
I mean, same, but only after removing any hazardous components she might use to lobotomize me.

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To any other stubborn weapon-hipsters who are using the mechanicus power sword, what are y'all running on it for blessings? I've been waffling back and forth on Machine Spirit Resurgent, it feels really nice into hordes but I wonder if it's worth it when you could take something to help you deal with the sword's real problem, which is carapace. I'm basically rotating through combinations of Resurgent, Supercharge, Decapitator and Chained Deathblow, and can't make up my mind at all, mostly because of crushers. The damn thing seems to cut through everything else like butter, but fuck me it feels like a limp dick noodle against crushers.. Also whoever at Fartshart decided to put completely pointless cleave blessings on this weapon can go fuck themselves.

we need to study the mind of the swedish game developer

>>577203227
if I wanted to watch BBC porn I'd just open up a porn page

>>577194830
kek they finally give zealot/psyker cosmetics to ogryn

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time to uuuhh play zealot

>>577202314
Hammer & Bolter has a scene where a... I think a techno-archaeologist like Hadron? I'm not sure. Some Admech lady, anyway. She saves a guardsman and then tells him about how she's looking for some hidden secret archeotech, and considers revealing those secrets to be fair payment in exchange for what she's about to do to him (kill him and harvest his mechanical prosthetics to repair her robot)

>>577202068
> worship a c'tan shard
That’s still a theory (though a cool one)
>>577201575
>"oh thank god the tech priest showed up to make the lasguns work right again"
That’s definitely the general attitude, but only because they don’t actually know what else they get up to usually

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>>577203515
Are you sure? well you're a man now, play martyrdom Thunder hammer

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Hey boy it's ok you don't really have to play that just take Chorus

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>>577205370
he's MY retarded son and he will play Martyrdom thunder hammer

I haven't seen the show but kek all the same

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>>577203515
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>>577206081
fucking kek

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>>577203515
>>577204921
>>577205370
>>577205667
>>577206081
wew

>>577206081
many such cases

I don't wanna play blight spreads anymore

What exactly is "galvanic" about this rifle anyway?

>>577200135
That’s fair, though I still would say that it’s probably something more of them believe than otherwise, the Machine God comes first yeah.
>>577200563
Sadly not the case. Mars has been a separate empire since the DAoT, and turned into the Mechanicus during the Age of Strife when the storms got so bad that they even isolated Mars from Terra. The Emprah barely negotiated/religioned them into joining back up but they’ve been trying to break free ever since. They’ll always put themselves first and are easily the biggest standouts of the three governing bodies that the Imperium is joined at the hip with, (those being the Adeptus Terra, the Ecclesiarchy, and the AdMech, plus a bunch of satellites like the Inquisition and Space Marines) all of which would ultimately love to bring each other to heel. To highlight this and give you an example of just how self serving they are, during the War of the Beast, they wholesale planned to abandon/betray the Imperium by using reverse-engineered advanced Ork planetary teleportation technology to detach Mars from the Sol System and leave Terra to fend for itself if they felt things were looking too dicey for comfort (they also supposedly had super weapons capable of destroying the Attack Moons but refused to use them under the bullshit reason of it being too dangerous for Terra and thus weren’t charged with inaction). Then after the war was over, they refused to follow orders to destroy the moons and just started scrapping them for tech. This ended up being the catalyst for the High Lords being mass assassinated at a later date and it was the second time they tried to betray them in less than 2k years, the first being when half of them joined Horus’ side during the Heresy.

>>577209334
they fire bullets that galvanise the target hit, so they will hit you and use the potential energy from within yourself to deal extra damage

>>577209334
the bullets basically use the target's bioelectricity to cause damages yes it's retarded but it's 40K

>>577209385
Where does all this lore from anyway? Novels? I've never been too sure how a TTG wargame has so much depth of lore, but I do find it pretty fascinating, especially Admech.

>>577209605
>>577209692
Kek I love how stupid that is

>>577209605
>>577209692
You can actually see it happening when you shoot the gun at an enemy. The point of impact will leave this large electric burn area around it.

I've played 4 havocs tonight and won none of them

>>577210631
i posted this btw

so is no more room in hell 2 good now?

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those who played already, how good is the 12 player siege horde mode?

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>>577209774
Mostly novels. It's shown up recently in some of the 40k animated shorts. There's one where some admech girl is searching for some important artifact with her robotic sentry and ends up murdering a wounded guardsman to cannibalize parts from his prosthetic arm to repair her robot. There's another one that I've only seen YouTube shorts of where a different admech girl paralyzes a guardsman and converts him into a servitor.

In one of the books that I read years ago, I think that it was a leman russ tank crew novel named Gunheads, featured a scene where some guardsmen got cuff off from the main imperial force but managed to link up with and assist an isolated admech group. The admech were searching for something top secret. I don't remember what it was. They worked together until the admech found what they were looking for, and some of the guardsmen saw it with their own eyes. Next thing that you know, the archmagos has ripped out their hearts with his mechadendrites.

I forget the name of the book, but one of them featured an archmagos directly engaging enemies in combat. I want to say that it was one of the Grey knight books but maybe not. Those fucks look like they're decrepit geezers, but they're hiding their power levels something fucking fierce. They are inhumanly fast when they want to be and have so many lost technology dirty tricks under their robes that they're honestly probably as strong as marine wankers mistakenly think that marines are.

Anyway there's a common theme in the books that high ranking members of the admech treat other imperials as tools or allies of convenience. The higher ranked that the are, the greater their pride and hubris. They think that they're the smartest guy in the room and that only their wants matter. That the rules and treaties don't apply to them and that nobody else is smart enough to see through their secrets.

The lower ranking admech are mostly chill.

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>>577212559
More on the archmagos, IIRC the description of one them in combat was a bit like those squid robots from the matrix. One moment he looks like an old geezer who can barely walk, then the next he's some kind of whirling dervish skittering through the rafters and he's attacking multiple things simultaneously with his tentacle weapon arms with things like power weapons, multilasers, plasma guns, melta guns, and he has his own personal warp shield too.

>>577212559
Neat, are the books all canon or have some of them been retconned out of existence and don't matter anymore? You know what I'm really curious about is their relationship with AI. Like, do they actually fear AI or is that them towing the Imperial line some more and they'd actually love to get their hands on it? Are machine spirits AI that behave themselves? Or is machine spirit just like the idea of a "soul" for any given machine? Or has so much knowledge been lost that they don't really know anymore either? I did know about archmagi being murder machines though, I have an autistic friend who loves admech and she yaps about them to me from time to time.

Oh yeah also curious question, do they have a WH Fantasy counterpart? I know some factions do but some like Skaven don't really have a 40k counterpart.

>>577213326
>admech girl is searching for some important artifact with her robotic sentry and ends up murdering a wounded guardsman
>a different admech girl paralyzes a guardsman and converts him into a servitor.
I feel GW is trying to tell us something here

>>577213847
That the writers are the kind of hacks that are both addicted to twist endings and too stupid to come up with something original

>>577214384
Honestly the one that pissed me off the most is the one with all the Sisters sacrificing themselves one after another to save some novitiate who carried a relic and eventually completed her duty, and then gets put into one of those iron maiden things because surviving is heresy or some idiotic shit only meant to put out a sad ending
Like haha I get it grimdark boohoo wooo enough with the retarded endings already, they're not gonna make anyone go "woah... that... is... so... GRIMDARK... because in the GRIM DARKNESS... of the FAR FUTURE... there's only GRIMDARK..."

>>577190654
>So... is there a reason to play Auric/Havoc other than cosmetics?
You don't really get to use all parts of the gameplay loop and test your skills outside of havoc 35-40.

Even Auric missions are easy enough that you can go through them just by holding W and mashing lights on most characters and barely paying attention with a good build. That's obviously no fun.

>>577214926
>That's obviously no fun.
4u

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>>577214926
>>You don't really get to use all parts of the gameplay loop and test your skills outside of havoc 35-40.
Meaning you won't get through havoc 35-40 without abusing dodge sliding and other bullshit game "mechanics"

>>577215396
>abusing dodge sliding
Been a while, but isn't dodge sliding literally in the tutorial?

>>577215514
Not the kind where you look front and then to the side to slide and then front and side and slide and front and side and slide

>>577215514
Sliding exists as a mechanic to avoid damage; the game and the devs didn't expect their sweatiest players to spend most of their playtime scooting their asses across the floor.

>>577214926
>Even Auric missions are easy enough that you can go through them just by holding W
You must one of those "True Survivors" that completes Havoc 40 only to get his dick smashed in Auric Maelstrom

>>577215135
Well, each to their own I guess.

If you're having fun winning lower diffs while shooting the shit with buddies in voice chat. Then that is the right way to play for you indeed.

Auric being a breeze or a struggle depends a lot on your team and the modifiers too. I know havoc players have higher skill in general, but I don't believe you're braindead'ing HISTGs from quickplay

>>577215902
No I just use whatever title fits the build I'm playing.

I'll put on the True Survivor dunce hat if it's right after a patch where the mods are broken and people can't just see my clearance level.

>>577193840
>I swear to the emper-
SWEAR TO MEEEEEE

>>577216116
>I don't believe you're braindead'ing HISTGs from quickplay
Depends on the class and build. I could still snooze my way through on ogryn, even while high on painkillers after surgery. Meanwhile soloing with 3 ankle weights trying to grief you on veteran or scum is pure suffering because those classes are bad at doing objectives and of course nobody else is even looking at them. Skitarius was just an exercise in figuring out how defensive I need the build to be, the rest kind of plays itself after some routine. I'm not good enough at psyker to consistently carry without having to try somewhat hard, but I don't play it very often anymore so I'm rusty as hell.

It really does depend on the director, too. Burster spam is an utter nightmare with shitter teammates. If they come from all sides and you have nowhere to run, it's a fucking gamble whether some retard will just explode it in your face, or magically figure out how to shove them. Fart bomber spam really hurts certain builds a lot more than others. Flamer spam is the reason I put flamer resist on most of my builds because that shit can be run ending with an ill-timed mutant. Boss spam is kind of a build check, which is why I make sure all my builds can erase them quickly. And so on and so forth.

I'd say it's more that a lot of the advantage comes from game knowledge, and thus having extremely well-polished and optimized builds. Which isn't to say havoc builds. Auric and havoc builds should look very different from one another. The most obvious example is the sad reality that support builds are literally useless in auric and below because teammates won't utilize the support. The most I'm willing to invest in, are skitty's toughness share and med skull.

winning with meta builds in h40 is less impressive than non meta in auric.

>>577182535
Sensitive motherfucker.
I'd do the same.

>>577217224
Yeah, that sounds reasonable and about what I meant. I don't really like Ogryn so they're my biggest blindspot, I wouldn't know how easy they are or not with the right build. I take it you're not the same guy from last night who was saying even heavy sword vet could faceroll auric with his eyes closed.
On the topic of flamer resist, you know I was really hoping for skitarius to have some kind of fire resist, before it came out. Ablative wards is cool and all, but since corruption is this otherworldly chaos force from nurgle, I think it would make sense corroding metal just as much as flesh.

>>577216229
>mods
Fatshark needs to give in and just let people make custom servers

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>>577182535
I like thanking people for less obvious things that revives or putting down ammo crates. Feels good to thank someone who obviously turned back around to help you out or just make sure you caught up safely, lets em know that you understand the situation and aren't just braindead behind the keyboard

>>577217903
>I take it you're not the same guy from last night who was saying even heavy sword vet could faceroll auric with his eyes closed.
That's just some dumb faggot who got his entire rectum blown out by havoc players shitting on his retarded takes so now he's false flagging. No other explanation makes sense for the severely retarded bullshit he was spouting.

The hardest aurics are often harder than the average h40, assuming you assemble a halfway reasonable team, in the sense that they build check you the hardest. Having to solve literally every problem all by yourself while being actively griefed by three turd-worlders can spread your defensive options thin and get a little hectic in practical play when you also have to juggle the objective while dodging numerous disablers and bosses and half a dozen reapers AND the barrel that your retard shot next to the cliff AND poxbursters from all sides AND now some hotmicing snoy is mouthbreathing directly into your ear canal and you have to find the time and space to mute the nigger.

>>577218078
I hit the thanks callout when someone does something unexpectedly human, because the average pubnog is less useful than a bot.
>do objective
>someone ACTUALLY stands next to me
>the zealot ACTUALLY uses chorus correctly
This shit unironically happens maybe once or twice every hundred games or so, which is so fucking disgusting to me honestly. Auric shitters are retarded beyond my wildest imagination, I feel like a fucking refugee sometimes, fleeing to havoc just so I can have actual co-op play. It plain doesn't exist in auric when most matches are saturated with out-of-place maliceniggers.

>finally a "big" patch
>literally only adjust skitarri and make vanguards slightly less gay to deal with instead of looking at any of the actual issues with the game
bravo big shart, doing great work

>>577218206
>>577218618
Sometimes I read posts like these and wonder if I'm also dogshit and don't realize it, because usually I think my auric teams are "fine", rarely super impressive but I'm also not really cursing under my breath at them very often either. Usually the worst crime I see is people getting separated from each other by miles, somehow.

>>577219559
The truest of shitters possess no object permanence. You can watch them pick up an ammo crate, then spam I NEED AMMO and genuinely not realize. You can watch them pick up a healy stimm, take a knee, get revived, and promptly forget it even existed, to then later play the role of loot pinata for the player closest to their inevitable death. They get lost bumbling backwards through the level to pick up 20 plasteel, farm a spawn door for 2 minutes while everyone else is at the airlock, and then struggle to even get back there because they never learned the melee and thus get bogged down by 2 poxwalkers because pushing and running is too complex of a task.

I've stopped playing zealot in auric, not because the damage sucks (it kinda does), but because I dislike abilities that aren't chorus, but chorus isn't actually useful.
>guy goes down
>chorus on him
>teammates stand there picking their noses or flailing into fucking poxwalkers
>hacking objective needs doing while there's melee units nearby
>throw chorus to make the objective free
>teammates somehow manage to deal so little DPS that the ragers survive
>not a single one of them so much as looked at the objective
>wait for a boss to be in the perfect position to stunlock it into a wall
>chorus it
>teammates ... somehow remove, at most, 1/4 of the health bar of a perfectly stunned, weakspot exposed monster, then instantly go down or scatter, leaving the rest up to me anyway
It's not so much that it's "too hard" or anything, I can and do build for completely soloing, but man is it fucking frustrating. I expect co-op in my co-op games, and auric doesn't give me much of it.
>why do you play it then
I don't want to get my balls crushed by the mechanical difficulty of h40 every time, where making any two mistakes just ends the entire run, and the party finder is tedious enough that I don't always want to use it.
There just isn't a good alternative.

>>577219559
>if I'm also dogshit and don't realize it
You're not, most of your Aurics are going to be fine, but the bad ones will stick you. My most recent one had a retarded team mate throwing down crates the second he picked them up

>>577218206
>The hardest aurics are often harder than the average h40
nah man no way

even with the most braindead retard teammates its still not even close

>>577219559
Now and then, you'll remember hard with trash pubs you play with. All the bugs and flaws of this game aren't enough to make me hate the game, it's randoms shouldn't be playing on difficulty where they don't belong. Arbites don't use dog to get specials and use any dogplosion. Yesterday, I played with two Pbb Ogryns, one rumbler - pmaul and one gg, yet they still had trouble clearing horde and one was kept getting dogged on. The worst thing, they couldn't keep poxies off me enough for me as vet to shoot specials and gunners, room was fucked in gas most of the times in the last Torrent plagued room. Oh btw, they were so afraid of dying not moving forward through gas.

>>577221210
You must be accepting some incredibly retarded teammates into your h40s then. Let me guess, you accept bubblecucks, crate griefers, vets without smoke, stancetards, claw sissies, stealth cope zealots, and similarly severely retarded garbage.
Or worse yet, you're one of those contrarian retards that proudly announces he auto declines le meta, but strategically leaves out the part where he wins maybe 1/20 games and only because he got carried by memebuild guy being pissed and switching to something actually viable.

>>577220345
>You can watch them pick up an ammo crate, then spam I NEED AMMO and genuinely not realize.
Okay you know what actually, I do remember having this happen in a match or two. Fuck those people lmao

>>577209385
>by using reverse-engineered advanced Ork planetary teleportation technology
Also really funny because it shows yet again that they’re willing to cast aside their dogma and actually innovate and create things in very impressive time frames when properly motivated

>>577221578
>Arbites don't use dog to get specials and use any dogplosion
Remote detonation is so funny to me. Whenever I play arbitrator and have an arbitrator teammate, I try to play this self-imposed minigame of trying to see how far we can get into a mission without the retard using it even once.
ALMOST every single time, as soon as I use it, I suddenly hear another remote det go off. For no reason. Randomly, somewhere in the back, near no enemies because the dog was doing fuck knows what. No object permanence. They just see "wow it did something", press the button, and then it doesn't do anything because they used it wrong.

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melta gun soon

>>577222059
D for... droid?

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>>577222115
Devotee

>>577222115
D for divers, helldivers are coming to Darktide

Does rating matter on curios?

>>577222959
iirc it provides more benefit for the stat buff but the differences are pretty minor, and i think it caps out around 410-420, where you might get +1% more toughness over something rated slightly lower

>>577223114
curio rework cant come soon enough, i wish we could just increase its rating using our materials

>>577223234
yeah, they're completely underbaked at this point, i saw someone say that if you have a curio that says +3 stamina but isnt at a high enough rating it can only give you +2 because reasons
just another sloppy piece of spaghetti code from small indie studio please understand

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What do I do when I get all four classes to level 30?

>>577223680
buy the other 3

>>577223436
One of updates few months ago say they fix it
"Certain curio could give less stamina than what was displayed in the description"
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/patch-1-11-4-patch-notes/120830
So the 400 one should give exactly 3 stamina rather than being rounded up to 3.

>>577223680
Actually get good at the game, have proper builds and multiple max out weapons in all classes, weapon masteries, penances. Or move on to other game.

is the combat axe +11 stam scum real, or is it just a delusion perpetuated by a madman

Redpill me on death cult assassin (right side zealot)

>>577225436
he is

>>577225710
Is he fun_?

>>577225436
Works well with the relic blade

>>577225771
he is

the skitty bubble shield is very fun now, also did VE become more reliable? i see less gunners not getting hit by weapon malfunction

>>577227282
They fixed VE quite a while back, it's sick now

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>>577213659
>Canon
GW is retarded so I don't know if it matters
>AI
As a faction the mechanicus abhors abominable intelligences, but secretly some archmagi think that they're built different and that THEY are totally smart enough to safely make AI.
>machine spirits
"Machine spirits" fill a wide spectrum of things. On one extreme it's just pure superstition attributed to inanimate objects. For example the automatic door is squeaking not because of friction on the unmaintained hinges but because you forgot to appease the machine spirit with the rite of lubrication. In the middle are things that could be described as computer programs or modern day LLMs. Something like the firecontrol system on a modern day fighter jet that cross references radar signatures to fingerprint and identify aircraft would be a machine spirit. So would the electronic lock on a keycard reader. Then on the final far extreme it's shit that's totally an AI but the admech will stare your straight in the eye with their best poker face and say "nuh-uh. No it isn't. Trust me bro. I'm the expert."
>fantasy
I'm not familiar enough with the warhammer fantasy setting. I think perhaps one could argue that the dwarves might be the closest equivalent to the admech as far as the Empire is concerned: A closely allied nation that is more technologically advanced than the empire, has helped share technology with the empire, but hasn't shared their best stuff. But I will admit that this is a tremendous stretch.

>>577222059
I want to believe

>>577222059
Someone ported the HD2 melta already? That was fast.

Hello.
Do Darktide's events ever rerun?
For example, if there's a badge or similar cosmetic from an event, is it something I can get at a later date?

>>577230942
No.

ngl fuck darktide "events"

>>577213659
admech still have robots, theyre part of the legio cybernetica, its kinda like fielding a titan, you know shits getting real when theyre breaking out the robots

>>577230645
thats the melta in darktide files, hd2 didnt release its next update and warbond yet

>>577230942
>>577231074
they do rerun sometimes but it's rare to see it happen

>>577231074
>>577231829
Hey guys. You gave conflicting answers. Could you work out what the real answer is and get back to me?