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Musk Edition

>Total War: WARHAMMER III - Lords of The End Times - Cinematic trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH9VdFvHiO8

>Total War: WARHAMMER III - Lords of the End Times - DLC Overview
https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/blogs/102?page=3

>Total War: WARHAMMER 40,000 - Alpha Strike Livestream:
Ranged Combat: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplb9CQy9lk

>TWW3- WHAT'S NEXT - Update 9.0 & The Lords of the End Times:
https://www.youtube.com/live/Q6O3mv_O7rA?si=_Mt01fEYDpGc9thT

>Vote for Med3 factions:
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>Latest Fantasy News
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Lords of the End Times - Announce Trailer: https://youtu.be/jPIpN9OKKR4?si=McctC4H-A-v5KhMf

>Latest 40K news
PC Gaming Show showcase: https://youtu.be/aXW6GFxYxsQ?si=Y131bpLSPcKWpSDU
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>Latest Historical News
Recap & What's Next: https://www.totalwar.com/news/total-war-medieval-iii-recap-whats-next
Total War 25th Anniversary Showcase (End Times / Medieval 3): https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war/blogs/91-total-war-25th-anniversary-showcase
Building Medieval 3: https://www.youtube.com/live/l5AItoj1YRE?si=JrM1FlzRSygC75yF

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Neferata soon, mortals!
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Thanquol soon, friends!
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>>577456218
Made for Empire nobles
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would you rather wear a metal helmet or a mushroom hat when going into battle
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>>577456218
wouldn't vampire breasts be ice cold
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>>577456218
Made to be a gor broodmother
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>>577456902
>broodmother
>look inside
>Sterile
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so what will verminlords do?
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>>577457478
Win because Skaven is the powercreep faction
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>>577457779
But Skaven haven't gotten an update since WH2.
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>>577457779
>powercreep faction
That's clearly Cathay.
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>>577458293
>implying Cathay was not ever the most powerful broken bullshit faction since its inception
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>>577458425
whats so broken about cathay?
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>>577458747
Gawrsh, what ISN'T broken about Cathay?
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>playing as dawfs
>got into a fight with wood elves
yeah im not having a good time right now, their range just shreds my slow as fuck infantry
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>Reddit are literally sharting and farting over the new empire guards
HAHAHAHHAHAHA
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>>577459606
rightfully so
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>>577459418
>set AI difficulty to Easy
>auto resolve
Then I can go back to having a comfy campaign
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>>577459654
>cheats
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>>577459606
>speed 28
literally chosen
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>>577459606
Why did they get nerfed?
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>So much kino games to be excited for in september
>most hyped for DLC
fuck me in the ass because CA is gaping my asshole
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and done with skarsnik. never had so much ambushes in a single campaign before really fun and got my very hard difficulty cheevo
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>still bitching about a mid tier unit (Teutogen) being as strong as another mid tier unit (Chosen)
>meanwhile:
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THEY FIXED THE GAME
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>>577459606
>Better chosen
Nothing should be better than chosen.
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>>577459926
>victory route III
you did not play the game
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>>577460718
I will never sack 60 settlements ever again, thank you Josh
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>>577460625
Wrathmongers are better than Chosen.
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>>577460718
nothing enjoyable about having to attack 60 settlements just for the sake of finishing a campaign
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>>577460625
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>>577460095
I love how vamp units cost a fortune and suck 10 dicks in a row
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>>577460947
>>577461632
We need to buff Chosen.
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>>577461718
Vamp units are literally free you dumb nigger.
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odds that the lizardmemes will ever get anything again?
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whoa buddy lets calm down ok?
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>>577462360
0, CA will never give us the thunder lizard or arcanodon.
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>>577462360
Literally the least played race in the series, and for good reason. Scalies deserve less than nothing.
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How come we still don't have Ska Bloodtail as Queek's LL?
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>>577462864
Skaven faction update free in the patch
Mors rework included
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Please CA. Just a little more for Beastmen. Just a little Ghorros, You wouldn't let a sumptuous feast end without some Warhoof would you? That's akin to starving really.
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>>577463060
>Beastchads got to eat with every single dlc
>The leaks said they could still get ANOTHER dlc pack
How do they do it
How did they win so hard
You know they're gonna get the Basilisk too
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>>577463060
Beastmen are a big no no since they are heavily associated with bestiality and rape
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did skavenchuds win or undeadsissies
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>>577462720
>Literally the least played race in the series
That would be Norsca thougheverbeit
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>>577462720
>Norsca and Bretonnia out of nowhere
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>>577463060
fuck you
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>>577463676
Chaoschads
>More Archaon changes
>Tamurkhan 2 The Sequel
>Chorfs get their giant
>cross faction confederation (to an extent)
The only bad thing is Daniel still gets NOTHING
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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>>577459606
But why? Empire infantry purpose is just there to hold the line for their missile units now they can actually win fights by themselves sheesh.
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>>577459606
I'm all for more hammer infantry, but this is ridiculous.
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>>577461632
>literally showing the chosen of slaanesh with zero armor pen vs the heavily armored infantry
oh wow, im shocked
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>>577462071
Right.. free..
Anon you need to calm down.
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>>577464563
Empire Infantry was incapable of holding the line and would rout to other tier 3, let alone tier 4 infantry. Empire devolved into hero spam with your gunners and artillery just firing into them.

HOWEVER, the answer is not to give them retarded meat grinder infantry that can also hold the line and kill everything. I would have preferred just some infantry that can at least hold a line.
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>>577464870
Cope, chosen are shit
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SUMMON STATUS?
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My boy Nagash finna be OP
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>>577465674
my four units of handgunners disagrees with that, heh.
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>>577465674
I cast Kill
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>>577465674
If Nagash is just a "Decent Melee Combatant" then what is Karl Franz?
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>>577465436
campaign might be even easier now
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>>577463347
>>577463932
Always room for more.
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>>577465961
Wow, Beastmen have huge muscles.
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>>577465674
Yuan Bo's executioner, a heal and a flock of doom that costs a fortune.
He also gets manhandled by melee lords.
What's there supposed to be OP? Skarbrand is nearby and is just gonna push his shit in.
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>>577465674
>133000-266000 damage
>per second
this seems like slight overkill
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I can't wait for my next Karl Franz campaign with all the new toys they are getting.

>>577465436
Karl will finally have an actual elector count to summon when Boris arrives.
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>>577466495
>Karl will finally have an actual elector count to summon when Boris arrives.
I fucking hate that Boris gets stalking stance while Markus is just jerking off in the jungle
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>>577466454
That's always been the numbers for kill effects.
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>>577465183
You're the type of retard that can't survive past turn 20 on normal because you think 2 high tier units in a single army are worth more than 10 armies of free zombie spam.
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Everyone always asks "where is the red duke" but no one asks "how is the red duke"
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>>577466560
Don't you know how many Charlemagnes it would cost CA to give Markus stalking?
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>>577460947
wrathmongers are like super chosen lorewise speaking. I think what he meant was that it make no sense for a regular human with a hammers to be stronger than an elite warrior roided out by a god, it makes no sense.
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i want more dwarf stuff like a sniper infantry!
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They did my boy Queek dirty.
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>>577467359
why? you want to kill people from far away?
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Oh fuck I'm gonna pre!
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>>577467356
>regular human with a hammer
Empowered by faith in Sigmar/Ulric you stupid nigger.
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>>577467224
Someone is grumpy. Sorry for calling out your nonsense, anon sama.
But I'm afraid you are wrong once again. I post my 50-100turn long campaigns here quite often.
888 Skarbrand campaigns and equally as many cathay ones.
Now stop wetting your panties.
I might continue my 3rd YinYon campaign today. She's finally strong enough to be a 1autist army.
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>Fortunes Weave
>Or End Times DLC
FUCK YOU CA
FUCK YOU
WHY WHY WHY
REEEEEEE
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>>577467554
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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haven't played in a year or two, tides of torment and tigermen worth getting?
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>>577467730
>Brown tactics vs Funny Rat Tactics
The choice is obvious
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>>577467730
>>577467864
Bestelle tactics actually
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>>577467730
Definitely Fortune's Weave. Do you think the DLC is gonna be bug free on release? AND mods have to update. It is actually the perfect time to play FW because it comes out before the DLC and you might be like 3-4 hotfixes deep by the time you finish it.
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>>577467939
I already beat the original trilogy, I don't need a remake.
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>>577459606
Kek what is even the point of using greatsword anymore when this one is a better defender. Powercreep bloat is real
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Legend status?
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>>577468101
Garden = Cared for
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>>577468101
Backed.
By all of us.
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>>577468101
Hair = Transplant
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>>577468101
Anger = Managed
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Waiting for ToT to be 50% off and I remembered that I still haven't played any OoD that I boughted lasted sale.
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>>577468065
might just be SFO brained but greatswords have area attacks, this looks like itll be single target attacks so greatswords will be better at clearing chaff.
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>>577468402
Greatsword will die by spell and range attacks before having the chance to kill chaff. You use the bazzilions flavors of empire knight orders for that job. I never recruit them ever in sfo
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the new boris mechanics look like ass
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>>577456674
Vegetius writes that soldiers hated wearing helmets, and judging from what I've picked up here and there yeah helmets look cool but suck to wear unless they are light and comfy.

>>577459606
>hammer infantry get charge defense
It is always morally correct to bully vgh-empirefags. I feel sorry for the proper fans among them but god damn the little bitches wanting warriors-of-order with guns are such asinine mortals.
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At the end of the day it's still the same old boring broken game that they've been selling us for the last 10 years. Just cram even more overpowered LL's in there, it'll be fine.
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>hammers
In Grand Cathay we use no such sissy nonsense. We fight with majestic Spears and Halberds!
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>>577469451
Doesnt the celestial general use a hammer
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>>577469534
Yes and it's the most OP generic lord
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>>577468402
area attacks are bad unless that damage is so fucking high that it guarantees multiple kills on hit, otherwise its just worse, we saw the same thing happen with hammerers years ago
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>>577469534
Heresy! He would never!!
...
Does he really? I never looked at him close up.
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>cinematic trailer
>10 seconds of gameplay that appears to running at 20 fps
can't TCALUKLLC afford a computer than can showcase their own game properly.
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>>577470917
What in the unholy ESL...
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They should release paid DLC that reduces the number of Legendary Lords.
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>>577471037
you're confused because... I forgot the question mark?
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They should stop pretending they will release more content and drop "The Future of Warhammer 3" already, I don't want my mods to get broken anymore.
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>40k will never have a big waiting forever character like Nagash, Boris or Thanquol.
Already losing enthusiasm for the next 10 years tbqh
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>>577471609
There's uh.... Big Space Marine 6!
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>>577471609
We have twenty primarch dlcs to get through. Then maybe you can have the Silent King.
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>>577471402
I can decipher your abomination of a post. You want him to get a better pc. That sentence tho..
>can't he afford a computer
>than
>can showcase their game
What a comparison.. even with the knowledge that you don't know what the fuck the word "than" means, this is a disaster. Buying and affording do not have the same meaning. You cannot interchange them. There are also words missing.
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>>577471609
TRAZYN WEN
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Are there loli characters in 40k
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feral cataphracts!
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i thought vanilla epirus in rome 2 was supposed to be difficult
first off you're a hellenic faction secondly you are basically uncontested against barbshitters for the rest of the game after you get rid of rome in the first 20 turns
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I wouldn't mind Primarch ritualposting..
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Anyone else think the new Middenheim battle map looks really cool?
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>>577472035
Ok mister, I went back and reread what I posted and you are entirely correct, there are several errors.
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>>577473284
Looks breddy gud
Too bad you'll never have a good proper defense on it
Maybe with the new endgames we'll actually see Archaon try to hit it with a big army
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>>577471609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMNWAJiz5Y
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>>577473284
Yes, I like it. This guy gives a very good look at the map.
https://youtu.be/V406qwjFroA?si=n8UUKc4v12VMCAN3&t=4309
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>>577471609
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRozBAIbaG4
guardsmen DLCs alone carry enough hype.
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Konrad Curze soon friends!
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FOOKIN BOOTIFUL
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>Toddeh in Middenheim
>Nagash in his pyramid in Khemri
>Thanquol in Zhufbar/one of the minor settlements in Zhufbar
Where's Glottkin gonna start? Norsca?
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>24 september release
>+ two weeks for cheats to be updated
Fuck this shit
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>>577475075
it will be 2 weeks + 4 weeks performative faggotry for sfo...
Kill me
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>2 weeks + 35 weeks until TW40k
What the fuck..
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>>577473104
AND I WOULND'T MID PUNCHING YOUR EYES OUT
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>>577467793
Tides of torment, just the norsca part
tigermen of bharat, no
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OVER THE ALPS MAYHAPSTHOUGHBEITHHHHHHHHHHH
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>>577473104
I don't like Primarchs. They're just too super hero-y for my taste.
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How the fuck is Halberdiers (Shields) too much to ask for?
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>>577471609
No shit, cause 40k's a dull setting
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>>577475808
radious...
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>>577460095
>Skullreaper-tier stats (t3 unit) but with half the models
>Mediocre armor and no shields
>No AP so everything better than chaff cucks them out of damage
>Limited to two (2)
Yeah nothing to see there
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>>577475808
WH1 asymmetrical balancing, please understand. Infantry can pick only 2 out of AP, AL, armor and shields, meaning you are fucked. Meanwhile T3 chads get stuff like Celestial Guards (AP, AL, Armored, Shielded)
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>>577473284
Looks sexo but I'm not sure it will be fun to play.
(though i'm a bit disappointed that they didn't add a giant loading a cannon or sleeping next to one in the background).
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>>577456017
Is this the fabled musky stormvermin bf?
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>>577474995
He starts north of Norsca.
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>>577476891
So in north pole?
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>empire now has better infantry, artillery, monsters, lords, heroes, ranged and cavalry than bretonnia
squire... lost...
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>>577456017
>Thanquol soon poster was rewarded for his persistence
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>>577456017
Lol /vt/jeet btfo'd by ratfriends
Feels good!
Feels right!
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>>577459606
>more BIG HAMMER Infantry
VGH... BASED
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>Thanquol actually happening
Truly a sign of the end times
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why are some vfx like explosions somewhat visibly pixelated for me? or is that just normal occurence?
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>>577477986
It'll be your Anti-Aliasing or Texture Filtering.
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>>577477986
>texture filtering trillinear
why? but yes the vfx is fucked, it is pixelated no matter setting you choose, I think it only affects the culling rate of the effect in battle
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will he get any tomb kings other than arkhan
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>>577478403
Maybe some minor faction ones? I don't see Khatep, Khalida or Settra ever siding with NIGash.
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>>577478403
All will bow
Except Settra
Where the fuck is Apophas CA you hacks why'd we get two vamp heroes instead
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>>577477414
The Monolith of Katam (see pic).
red dots = brand new settlements.
blue dots = unchanged settlements
purple "1" = Glottkin capital.
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>>577474995
>>Nagash in his pyramid in Khemri
I hope some new landmarks are added down there. A lot of the ones that exist are exclusive to TK. Volkmar, Mannfred and others starting in the desert don't get to build much cool stuff.
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Gonna rape Niggashi as Skarbrand as soon as I can
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>>577479790
Yeessss
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>dont fix game
>just add more shit onto the pile of broken shit
not even worth creampieing
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>>577478919
Too fucking crowded
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>>577459606
For once they are right: these Ulric chosens are pure powercreep and breaks the lore Empire army having mere humans as frontline to allow artillery and cavalry to do the job
What is the point if 80% of the factions have chosen clones as frontline?
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>>577482328
what needs fixing besides siege?
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>>577482773
AI orgies
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>>577478685
>he thinks the CA interns can make Apophas in Warhammer 3
kek
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>>577468101
QRD on this guy?
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>>577472716
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Geno_Five-Two_Chiliad
>The highest rank in the regiment was that of Uxor, a position only able to be held by women. Upon selection for the future position of Uxor, teenage girls had their ovaries removed and stored in the regiment's gene-banks, there to be used in conjunction with the gene-codes of established martial lines. The resultant children were born to be Geno warriors and uxors.
>An additional part of the process, not fully understood, resulted in the awakening of extremely weak psychic powers in the female candidates. These powers typically took the form of a 'felt connection' to their men, and an ability to perceive their operational situation at a higher level. This manifested practically on the battlefield as a quicker and more intelligent response to strategic situations, and a well-informed command tree. Known as "'cept", this power burned out quickly, with the result that most uxors became powerless as they approached the age of thirty, thus lessening their usefulness, and their having typically slim and small frames, with their aides being teenage girls.[1d]
>[1e] Removal from command and reassignment to other duties (e.g. medicae, cartomancer, or Munitorum commander)[1d] quickly followed the loss of 'cept, and it was an uxor's responsibility to train at least one aide, or junior, in order to replace her.[1]text-middle[Help]
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A question to lorefag: i see that the next DLC will add a fuckton of Ulric units
But i find strange that Sigmar, the actuall patron of the Empire, only have a generic lord, two generic heroes, and a single unit for it's roster
Shouldnt Sigmarite war units being more common? Maybe some of them werent added in the game?
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>>577482328
Limited RoR access and wounded Lord/LL debuff are game fixs.
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>>577482942
The former protagonist of /twg/ that abandoned us because we didnt had his back (i am not joking). legendposting kept the entire general alive in the year without new content
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Besides Dogs of War and Hortsman along with a possible Character pack featuring Araloth and Moonclaw that leaks and CA hinted at doing something with Welves:
What other probable DLC could we realistically see get added?
Do you think Brets could get a small DLC with their rework?
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>>577483147
Brets are the dedicated FLC faction
Once TWW3 becomes F2P and TWW2 and TWW1 will be unlisted and turned into upgrade packs, they will be the base faction to play for F2Pfags

They are not getting any dlc
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>>577482942
He was mogged to death. Just another one of Chadtek's many victims.
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>>577482765
Yeah this is getting ridiculous. Stronger infantry than dwarfs and elves too.
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>>577483226
>Brets are the dedicated FLC faction
This means nothing. They are a base game race as far as the buyer is concerned. Why should this prevent them from getting DLC? Just give em a character pack with a few LLs and LHs if GW is autistic about giving them TOW or old lore units
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>>577477713
Fear not peasant, we still have the blessing of the lady ward save and perfect vigor.
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>>577483524
Nobody cars about Brets. Think about how money hungry CA behaves. Consider how unpopular a faction has to be to be given away like Brets were.
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griffon knight is still the best flying monster calvary btw
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>>577482970
Probably waiting for the actual End Times event

I'm sure we'll officially get a "THIS IS THE FINAL DLC" dlc in a year or two
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lol
lmao
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>>577484047
Oh no not the jungle chinks and fecaloids.
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>>577482970
Sigmar is the default for The Empire. All units are Sigmar units unless stated itherwise. The mercenary units are the only one I recall being an exception.
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>>577484047
Eww I hate Thanquols starting position
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>ulricchuds have the strongest guys in the empire
UHHH SIGMARSISTERS? OUR RESPONSE?
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>>577484047
uhhhhh why is Nagash at the black pyramid and not Nagashizzar? Shouldn't it be the other way around? Shouldn't his campaign objective be securing the black pyramid and then laying waste to the world?
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>>577484465
because the black pyramid is literally designed to resurrect nagash, nagashizzar is a nothing burger place that was only useful because it was a mountain of warpstone (that has been used up by this time) so he could poison khemri and kill the world
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>>577484465
>>577484047
So do we insta rape Settra?
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>>577484592
Settra does not bottom. He tops.
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>>577484592
His start is going to be hellish now. You're going to have Skrabrand, Mannfred, and Nagash on your ass in the first five turns.
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>>577484147
It's not great but indeed it was previusly a whole area without a relevant Skaven faction. Cannot see AI Thanquol survive longer there tho
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>>577484749
Lost his turn 1 Warsphinx btw
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>>577484373
Any mentions from the devs for new features for Azghag? He should receive something now that his bone boss is here
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>>577482970
>A question to lorefag: i see that the next DLC will add a fuckton of Ulric units
But i find strange that Sigmar, the actuall patron of the Empire, only have a generic lord, two generic heroes, and a single unit for it's roster
>Shouldnt Sigmarite war units being more common?
The main reason is not really lore, it's because in reality Middenland/Cult-of-Ulric actually got more army-list/campaign-book through the years and so more units and models CA can use to make DLC.
To illustrate this, look at pic (see pic) from the end of the 6th Edition Empire army book, it offers six alternative ways to create an Empire army.
Notice how there is a Sigmarite and a Ulrican one, notice also how "Teutogen Guard" is mentionned but they actually are just "Great Sword".
Later, still in 6th edition they realeased (in the White Dwaf magazine) another "Cult of Ulric" army list, this time the "Teutogen Guard" got their own profile with stats/cost/options/special-rules.
Even later (still within the 6th edition) there was the Strom of Chaos campaign and Middenland got an army list in the campaign book, the "Teutogen Guard" were still here and they also got their own models at this time.
>Maybe some of them werent added in the game?
Not really or very few but I guess if CA really want to add some Sigmarite units to they can go with:
Valten & Luthor Huss as characters.
They may add a Sigmarite knights unit (Knights Griffon / Knights of Sigmar's Blood / Knights of the Fiery Heart / Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb / Hammers of Sigmar Knights)
Maybe the Sisters of Sigmar.
Why not an elite Flagellants unit from the "Prophet of Doom" unit-champion.
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Need the leaker anon to leak more 40k details
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>>577485481
>They may add a Sigmarite knights unit (Knights Griffon / Knights of Sigmar's Blood / Knights of the Fiery Heart / Knights of the Twin-Tailed Orb / Hammers of Sigmar Knights)
Yea i found strange we have in game a knight order loyal to a foreign goddess, but not one of Sigmar. Volkmar could really had some use for them
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>>577485814
>>577485481
beacuse grim and the grave is one of the worst dlcs to ever exist
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>>577484047
the desert is the new lustriabowl
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>>577485870
>Wasted Volkmar in a DLC with almost none Sigmarite units, stuck for years as Karl Franz's second choice
>Added a litterally who necromancer that fucked up for 10 years the possibility of add other better VC characters, as well as the possibility of split vamps and necromancer in two distinct sub-factions
>Wasted away the generic Strigoi lord, causing a butterfly effect of struggling to add non-Carstein vamp lords for the whole race

Yea it was a utter disaster. If not for King and the Warlord setting the DLC route in a much better trajectory the Grim and Grave route could had unironically killed the game within 2-3 years
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>>577484465
Maybe so you can easily grab 2 of your Mortarchs ?
(also we don't know how Nagash starting postion work when you play as him).
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>>577486072
At this point they should free upgrade all grim & grave owners to a new DLC and remove G&G from TWW3.
New players have to pay full DLC price for the new DLC of course.
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I will bust a load to Aqua everyday we wait for Yin-Yin
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Yeah, I'm thinking VampChads won.
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>>577485481
Ulric army list from White Dwarf.
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>Generic Vamp Lords are being removed in favor of Bloodline Lords
>Strigoi lords are DLC though
Hmm...
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>>577486720
They will just make a super Strigoi generic vamp lord with a slighty different name, a slighty different apperance that will be better in every single way to the Grim and Grave one and this one will be then entirely forgot. They cannot remove it from the DLC for legal reasons sadly
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>>577486540
I do that anyway, she's just so fucking hot
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>>577467939
TitS2 for me
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>>577479790
>>577480898
skarbrand doesnt even survive settra with his skellie archers. what danger could he present to nagash?
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>>577485481
SoC Middenland.
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>>577486720
They are not removing it.
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>>577487063
What have u been smoking? The only thing that can kill Skarbrand is Imrik and only if Skarbrand doesn't have "the other trickster shard"
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>>577460095
>coven throne in DLC
>the weird wow cash shop tigerskull mount is also DLC
>touched up lahmian lord model flc
>handmaidens also
And just like that, Neffy is complete.
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>>577487198
you know that we have armies fighting and not lords 1vs1, yes?
skarbrand is bottom tier and usually gets raped by the AI around turn 20.
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>Thinking Skarbrand will make it into melee against Nagash backed up be VCoast gunpower units.
He won't get close.
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>>577456017
Furries rape animals and are directly responsible for the shitty captcha and posting limits
Death to all furniggers
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>>577487401
What the fuck are you talking about.. why are you comparing AI autoresolve to real Skarbrand?
>>577487480
>walks in circle on 3x speed for 5mins
Okay.. now what?
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>>577487594
It's good. Could use some more vampire titties but it's still good.
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>>577487598
>Summons Morghasts on you to keep you in place
>Spams Spirit Leech, and Gaze of Nagash
GG, kiddo.
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Passfags reaction images makes this general fun
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nagash has a skill that instant deletes your lord and hero if your hp is less than 20% once a battle, Skarband will die from demonic instability
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>>577487598
Because I dont play campaign against other real players? are you retarded, by chance?
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So there will be two guys named Boris in the game. Are there any other legendary lords who share a name?
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>>577487594
We all think that Vampires should look like this desu. Neffy squad is supposed to be sexy.
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>>577487784
>magic into 95% magic resistance and 60% wardsave
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>>577484147
>vlad finally has a natural ally
I don't see the issue here.
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I finished Aoi Horus no Hitomi manga yesterday and got really into the mood for Ancient Egypt and especially female pharaohs, so on a whim I bought TW: Pharaoh. How do I get the most out of it? Best factions? Any tips on what to focus on?
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>>577488160
Nobody can answer this. You're the first person to ever buy that game.
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>>577460625
chosen have significantly higher WS and charge bonus
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>>577488160
post on r*ddit for the 5 pharaoh fags to help you. No one owns the gayme lol here
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I'LL HAVE THIS WORLD
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NAGASH WAS ____
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just got rid of khalida now should I ally or kill kroq-gar?
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>>577488160
Play Dynasties, you get it for free when you buy Pharaoh
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>>577487839
You mean the skill Yuan Bo has had since release?
The very thing Skarbrand can tank?
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>>577488436
Kill him. +10md is too good to pass up.
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>>577488229
>>577488270
Don't histfags find the Bronze Age Collapse one of the most fascinating period in history? Are histfags even around in here?
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>>577488396
a good friend
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>>577487839
Executioner abilities are a thing in TWW3 yes.
Also it only works once, send a hero to die against him if you're so worried.
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Not only did Niggash just copy this skill, Juan Bro does it way better since his upgrade says he can activate it at 33% threshhold.
Niggash was weak.
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>>577488492
nagash's is 13300-26600 direct damage
truly passfags always have the lowest iq ITT
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>>577488618
Skarbrand is literally immortal when he activate shis army ability, retard
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>>577488647
and what do you think happen to skarband if 20s cant die buff runs out, I'm sure the AI is still smarter than your ass and know when to bolt away lmao
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>>577489018
>HEROIC VICTORY
Cause Skarbrand doesn't need more than 20seconds to manhandle your niggash
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>>577489167
in reality skarband is gonna get stuck pathfinding in the waves of skeleton spearmanii and dies after 20s while nagash laughs in the background after casting his instant death skill
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>>577487594
>1 LL
>1 Hero
>2 units
It's probably more than half of what was planned for her DLC, now for free.
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>>577489297
>putting infantry into the Lord that kills infantry by walking
You skellie sissies are not bring your best today.
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>>577489336
The 4pack End Times DLC is cheaper than expected too

Maybe CA aren't that bad

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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I can't wait to play Nagash
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>>577489552
>>>/lgbt/
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>>577489552
Borizz for me
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>>577488509
oh nevermind skarbrand just immediately declared war on me. can't risk a war with him, kroq, and queek all at the same time
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we are here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQAS_kcZEiY
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>>577488108
>VC easy mode just got easier
Meh.
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>>577489853
Reddit
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>>577471609
Jaghatai Khan will be active again in lore like 1-2 years after the game's release and there will be a massive astroturfed campaign begging for his inclusion into the game even though no one gives a shit about him or his chapter but we must at all times be excited for the [next thing] so it's gonna be a big running maymay
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Man I'm so hype for the DLC.
I think I'll play my 8888th Skarbrand campaign. Maybe this time I'll start in Lustria and manhandle skulltaker.
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Do you think that just because you're a chaosfag that makes that sentence any less pathetic? If people who do that with Karl are Redditors then so are (You).
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>>577488060
Nefertitty is kinda meh but that thing is just big tit anime girl #4656, not a vampire.
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>>577456773
Friction creates heat. This is why motorboating vampire breasts is every man's duty.
>>577456218
I've been waiting for years.
>>577488510
Nobody cared about it until about maybe late 2010s. The entire bronze age was and still is a very niche area.
>>577488160
If you want a female pharaoh you need to play as Tausret.
>How do I get the most out of it?
Play Dynasties since you get a bigger map and the Greeks & Trojans along with it.
>Best factions
Depends on what you're looking for. Again, if you want a female pharaoh then Tausret.
If you want the vanilla experience then Ramses.
If you want to burn the world then one of the Sea People or the Jewish Moloch worshipper. I forgot his name. Not Bey but the other guy.
If you just watched the Odyssey or Troy and absolutely hate the horses then the Trojans or the Greeks.
Can't say anything about the Hittites, Assyrians or Babylonians.
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>>577465880
I'd have to see his yellow lines and unique items before I make any calls.
If he caps out at around 46 MDEF as a large unit then that really just makes him a "decent" melee combatant. He'll get raped by basically any T2 anti-large unit unless he uses a spell to shift things in his favour.

Most melee experts will end up having MA and MD in the 70+'s regardless of size after leveling up a bit.
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FAV DAUGHTER
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Isn't Nagash a god?
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>LL
Nagash
>LH
Dieter Helsnicht
Walach Harkon
>Lord
High Liche Priest (Lores of Nehekhara, Light, Death or Undeath)
>Hero
Tomb Herald
>Units
Drakenhof Templars
Spirit Host
Morghast Harbingers
Morghast Archai
Khemric Titan
Coven Throne
>Regiment of Renown
Icon of Usirian (Khemric Titan)
Sepulchrex (Ushabti)
The Silent Legion (Morghast Archai)

>LL
Thanquol the Grey Seer
>LH
Skreech Verminking
>Lord
Verminlord (Corruptor, Warpseer, Warbringer, Deceiver)
>Units
Stormfiends (Melee; Grinderfists, Doom-flayer Gauntlets, Shock Gauntlets)
Stormfiends (Missile; Ratling Cannons, Windlaunchers, Warpfire Projectors)
Pusbags
Warp-Doom Magma Cannon
Cauldron of a Thousand Poxes
>Regiment of Renown
The Scratterfire Team (Stormfiends)
Deathvermin (Stormvermin)
Virulent Batteries (Plagueclaw Catapults)

>LL
Glottkin
>LH
Gutrot Spume
Morbidex Twiceborn
Bloab Rotspawned
Orghotts Daemonspew
>Units
Putrid Blightkings (Axe & Shield, Great Weapons, Dual Axes)
Giant Spined Chaos Beast
Flayerkin
Chaos Siege Giant
Basilisk
>Regiment of Renown
Sons of the Last Plague (Chosen of Nurgle, Great Weapons)
Bane of Wittengast (Giant Spined Chaos Beast)
The Repugnauts of Brass Keep (Putrid Blightkings - dual axes)

>LL
Boris Todbringer
>LH
Ar-Ulric Emil Valgeir
>Lord
Seneschal of the White Wolf
>Hero
Priest of Ulric
>Units
Wolf-Kin
Hunting Hounds
Warriors of Ulric
Teutogen Guard
Knights of the White Wolf
Knights Panther
Celestial Hurricanum
>Regiment of Renown
Order of the Axe (Teutogen Guard)
Fellwolf Brotherhood (Knights of the White Wolf)
Hounds of Ulricsberg (Hunting Hounds)
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>>577490750
No he's just the strongest Necromancer. He does become a god in The End Times but he isn't a god by default like the Chaos Gods, he's more like Sigmar, human turned god..
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>>577490808
>Drakenhof Templars
Are they better than Blood Knights ?
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>>577488160
>Best factions?
It's been a really long time but iirc the basic breakdown was something like this.
>Egypt
Light infantry and light chariots, good on sand.
>Hittites
Heavy infantry and heavy chariots, bad on sand.
>Canaanites
I forgot what their deal was.
>Trojans
Archers
>Mycenaeans
Heavy spearmanii
>Assyrians
Time travelling cavalry and horse archers
>Babylonians
Spam disposable trash unis, science and one very big city.
>Sea people
You're a horde and you burn places.
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Nagash DLC doesn't fill any holes in the Undead roster.
Thanquol doubles down on missileslop for Skaven.
Glottkin also doesn't fill any holes for Nurgle.
Boris provides Empire with a sturdy frontline.

If you aren't interested in flavour then it's clear Empire and Skaven won the DLC.
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>>577490952
Nobody is interested in your made up shitskin competition.
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>>577490421
This is the ideal vampire body. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
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Don't ever reply to me again you passnigger FAGGOT
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>>577490907
Canaanites were all about Shock Infantry
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>>577459606
So Empire Swordsmen but objectively better?
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>>577472716
Daemon that lives inside the ship of Lucius
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>>577490952
Melee stormfiends might enable a solid ungabunga playstyle for skaven
Similarly, the ranged ones seem way more mobile than weapon teams so doing hit and run tactics with them might be very strong and they'll have an easier time lining up for side shots or whatever
Seems like a very strong unit type
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Kevin von Lloydstein
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>>577490901
Anyone's guess. In the tabletop game they were just Blood Knights with lances. For this DLC they're going to be made a separate unit, so they're likely not going to play like Blood Knights.
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>>577473104
I really fuck with Khan, Sanguinius, Guilliman, Angron, Magnus, Corvus and Alpharius/Omegon.
I feel like I should really really love Vulkan but for some reason I just never clicked with him. Maybe I should read some Vulkan novel.
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>>577489336
>Lamian LL
>Lamian hero
>Handmaidens
>Khemri guard
Fits almost perfectly. She dosent need many special units anyway as she can just mindfuck mortals into serving her
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So is Ikkit getting evicted from Skavenblight
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>>577491917
No Thanquol spawns between Vlad and Thorgrim >>577484147
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>>577490808
>STILL no Chiamerat
Why CA hate Moulder so much? it's litterally just a reskinned hydra
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>>577490952
>Nagash DLC doesn't fill any holes in the Undead roster.
Literally adding a second generic Lord type for the TK.
Spirit Host will probably be super usefull after Siege rework for VCounts early campaign.
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>Siege rework
Let it go..
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Krell-Dawlg becoming a strong independent Wight is almost pulling us away from playing Nagash first. His updated model looks pretty kino. Hopefully they've added some interesting skills too.
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>>577492592
Reddit
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>>577460098
>skill check toggle
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Nagash was BALD
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>>577492618
Whoopsie daisy, you meant to type that into the url bar didn't you?
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>>577492059
>Spirit Host will probably be super usefull after Siege rework for VCounts early campaign.
How so? What they do? Their stats are ass.
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>>577488160
What I did at recommendation of /twg/ and I recommend you also do is, I first started a campaign as Ramesses in the base game of Pharaoh (not Dynasties), and once I got used to the new mechanics and economy and empire building, I hopped over to Dynasties and just started playing whoever I felt like.

Some tips: Pharaoh Dynasties economy has several forms of currency, food, bronze, stone, wood and gold. Food is required for army upkeep, bronze gets added to that upkeep for tier 3 and above units, gold gets added to that upkeep for tier 5 and 6 units. Stone and wood are mainly for construction, with a few units like chariots, having some slight wood upkeep. The fact you've got multiple resource to manage actually makes diplomacy INCREDIBLY flexible compared to, say, Warhammer, as not only can you choose to sell, say, stone for food, but you choose the exact numbers and for how long. This means unlike in Warhammer, you don't have to beg for trade agreements to start establishing non-hostile relations with your neighbors, you can negotiate a resource exchange for X turns and it will be enough of a start that I rarely got backstabbed through it (still can if they happen to be cunts that hate you).

Archers are strong af, they're good shooting frontally but they're absolutely disgusting when shooting from up close with direct shot. The name of the game is maneuvering your archers so they shoot at backs/unshielded sides of your enemies. Infantry engagements are much stickier in Pharaoh, you don't have to fear those cases where you flank an engaged infantry unit and suddenly half of it splits off to charge you and ruin your flank while keeping your original anvil still engaged.

Egyptian light chariots kinda suck, which is a shame because they've got so many of them. The heavy ones from other factions, specially Hatti, are good.
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>>577492864
Tarpit (fast for a tarpit)
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>>577492592
Will his diplomacy bonus with chaos finally become useful?
I really wanna play an army made out of undead and demons.
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>>577492864
Yeah but they mentionned how siege rework may allow spider units to climb walls and ghost units to pass through walls.
So it will give VCounts a T1 ghost unit to not just relly on your zombies and skelly.
to be honest they also mentioned in a later stream how coding units passing through walls is tricky and may not be a thing at first
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>>577484147
Bugmans landmark huh.
Thorgrims campaign got more interesting.
After crushing Skarsnik you can go right away for Thanqueer. Unless certain Orc starts shit
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>>577492731
Yes, actually.
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Why is it called the Drakenhof Conclave and not, like, Von Carstein, or Midnight Aristocracy, or Lords of Night? A bunch of names that are already used at various points in the series. It's an odd choice for the faction to be renamed after the settlement it was moved out of, and on top of that it's not even a conclave.
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>>577492864
Where are these screenshots from? Basedtek's stream?
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>>577473284
Damn, that looks nice as hell. I love the big ol' chasm in front of the city that still has buildings crawling all over the wall.

Hope some day we get a unique map for Talabheim, always wanted to see it ingame as well.
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>>577493520
Enticity
he did a speedrun on easy difficulty down to the black pyramid and declared war on nagash
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>>577492886
>Archers are strong af
Please tell me they're only good against unarmored units. Bronze age archers shouldn't be able to kill heavy infantry from the same period.
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>No mention of Drachenfels
>Not even of his bald puppet
Grim.
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>>577484047
MY SETTRA CAMPAIGNS JUST GOT FUCKING EXTREME

Good, honestly managing to capture the Black Pyramid always felt underwhelming ever since I stopped playing Vortex Campaigns.
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>>577459606
People complaining about Empire getting good infantry is stupid, not because it ruins the theme of the faction and homogenizes the race but because EVERY DLC has been doing this since WH3. It's a fundamental problem with how DLC work since a faction is designed with a theme/playstyle so a DLC then has to offer either something new which ruins the identity of the faction, or more of the same which makes one unit redundant.

>Carthay got Tigermen and Crowmen, that solved its mobility weakness
>Slannesh got Shades and Horsemen throwing axes, which solved its ranged weakness
>Nurgle got Rotknights and Plague ogres which fixed mobilty issues with anti-large

On the otherhand you factions with reduant units such as
>Khone got Skullreapers which are just worse bloodletters
>Norsca got Bearmen, which are just better marauders
>Empire got KotBS which are just better empire knights

It's impossible to give a faction a new unit that doesn't whittle down its identity.
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>>577493569
Oh okay thanks
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>>577492035
Too goofy for modern Warfammer.
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>>577493648
Conversely, Arkhan's & Mannfred's campaign might be getting a lot easier.
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>>577493285
That sounds incredibly useless.
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>>577493587
Well you see, there is this new combat stat called "Lethality" that's a percentage and it does exactly what you're already thinking it does...
It's not as bad as it sounds, heavy infantry is still really good. Also, in Pharaoh terrain bonuses and penalties are MUCH more important than usual. Forgot to mention that. Light infantry can beat heavy infantry if you drag them into the mud.

>>577493771
Arkhan for sure, Mannfred might be a 50/50 considering how much he hates Nagash. Imagine he still yells NAGASH WAS WEAK, WITNESS TRUE POWER while within earshot.
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>>577493771
I like this picture, Charlie.
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Nagash would be cooler if he were human sized instead of being a giant.
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>>577494158
Blame sigmar
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>>577494232
kostaltyn is already there
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>>577494232
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>>577493528
basical seems to be a compression of the area around Middenheim since there is meant to be a town at the bottom of the Fauschlag and the casueway to middenheim themselves are potrayed as much smaller in artwork
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Nagash is cringe
Heinrich Kemmler is based
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>>577494413
Yeah, in art Middenheim only seems to have one bridge and it's much more narrow as well as more defensible because of that one giant-fed megacannon, but like, they're not going to make it THAT defensible for the actual game. Honestly it's already good enough, those three walkways already make it probably the most well protected city currently in the game.
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>>577494491
doesn't that guy always job to bretonnia or karl
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>>577493442
White Egyptian bros...
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>>577459606
The Empire is supposed to have infantry better than Chosen
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reminder Saltzpyre is from Middenland, even though he's a sigmarite
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I just want to know if Malekith will be able to confederate all elves....
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>>577456017
Based gay rat canon
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>>577494612
Middenheim has always had multiple bridges, at least four on this map, which is the most recent map of the city.
I agree this has been for playability rather than adherence to rather inconsistent artwork and maps from over 40 year timespan
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>>577494829
Middenland is pretty big, so he could easily be from much further south of the province, like being outside Carroburg or Delberz, where the Ulrican faith is less strong
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>Discover the secret to true, eternally youthful immortality
>Absorb all the gods of death and ascend to true godhood
>Decide to remain looking like a weird lich skeleton man instead of restoring your youth or creating a new, beauteous form for yourself
Why?
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>>577495308
You wouldn't get it
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>>577495308
I doubt undeath magic can actually restore you like that
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Archaon's battle royale end game scenario sounds perfect for a kino Ungrim campaign
>Build high
>Let Archaon skull fuck the rest of the map
>Take on wave after wave of chaos armies in underway battles
Perfection.
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>>577495308
Why would he give a shit about his appearance? He wants to be the only free willed sentient being on the planet.
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>>577493285
>Ghost can pass wall
Woah imagine the whack a mole pathfinding fuckfeast in siege.
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>>577495446
AAAAH to (not) die in battle...
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>>577495594
So he can do what
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>>577495965
That's a problem for future Nagash.
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>Dealing with the north
>The greenskins to the south is eating my ass, the dwarfs and french can't deal with shit
Fucking Karl is annoying
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Why the fuck do the old games cost more?
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>>577496429
Why'd you skip 2 but have 3
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Why is there a unique Helf version of the City of Bronze? There are a bunch of races that start down there but HE isn't one of them.
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>>577493285
>to be honest they also mentioned in a later stream how coding units passing through walls is tricky and may not be a thing at first
Which is funny because it technically already exists with build-able barricades between allied forces. I imagine the actual issue though is how pathfinding is supposed to handle an enemy phasing through their enemy's wall, especially while units are docked onto it.
Like, purely from a coding standpoint, if you have
>ghosts outside fort wall
>archers on fort wall
And you tell the ghosts to attack to the archers, do they..
>force path through the wall bit by bit, potentially getting blocked along the way, and then once they're through walk up to the battlements like normal
>directly access the battlements as if they were on the interior of the wall and stream out from there
>just fucking teleport onto the battlements and ontop of the archers to instantly rape them
All three would require very, very different approaches to coding and different but substantial amounts of it as well, and always with the risk of second order fuck-ups.
Honestly if it was just ghosts I would take the easy way out and do something like "all ghost units have a bound ability called BOO that let's them teleport like 10 yards on a 5 minute cooldown (and unlike summons which require you to be inside the fort or destroy a gate, can be used anytime)," but ideally this coding solution should work for spider-riders too or else greenskin and ostankya players would never shut the fuck up.
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>>577496613
Isn't that where Imrik started in WH2?
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>>577495965
So he can rule uncontested, and destroy chaos.
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>>577496429
Better factions.
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>>577496429
They're rare antiques now.
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>>577496547
I bought 3 before they did the big merge, I bought 1 after to play the empire. Honestly only reason im tempted to buy 2 is to have every single skaven lord I hate all these gays ass elves
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>>577496429
Is there anyone still playing WH1? And why?
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>>577496429
They want new players to buy 3 as their base game so that they have unified main playerbase. 1 and 2 are treated as big faction DLCs.
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>>577497245
>nearly 300 people play it daily
Wtf...?
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>>577497421
More than any Aos game
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>>577497245
>>577497421
unique campaigns
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>We'll never get to see AI Settra after the early game anymore
Sad.
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Remember when we used to have to march all the way to the quest battle?
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>>577495965
safeguard global peace and quiet, finally :)
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>>577497245
>>577497421
WH2>WH1>WH3
It's true.
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>>577487594
WTF, you guys told me CA was not allowed to add pretty female characters ?
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>>577496927
Yeah but that was a long while ago. It's been four years and we have LLs for Empire, Dwarfs, Vampires, and Lizardmen starting in the area now. Bretonnia and arguably some Chaos shit as well if we zoom out further in the Southlands. But given the large area there are surprisingly few landmarks that aren't locked to Tomb Kings. Seeing that there are only a couple High Elf landmarks down there, carried over from last game, and nothing for the races who have had starts there for years already, makes it look like CA has more or less ignored this big chunk of the map for the longest time.

I only went to check out the area since Nagash will be starting there. Because he's not TK or VC he'll either be short on universal landmarks to build or CA will have to add some.
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>>577493587
Shields are much stronger in Pharaoh. Default shield is already ~50% and large shields (which are pretty common) are 75%. Shield wall formation can bump that up to 90%. No lethality rolls are made if the attack is blocked by a shield, so shielded infantry can eat shitton of arrows. Armor is a lot stronger as well: archers shooting unshielded heavy infantry mostly kill them through succesful Lethality rolls (usually around 10%: compared to around 3-4 arrows needed to kill unarmored light infantry this represents 66-75% damage reduction).

A stack of heavy inf + archers is a good cookie cutter build, but there's surprising amount of variation. For example Menelaus fields tons of heavy infantry but barely any ranged; they can be countered most effectively with Javelineer flanking (extremely high lethality, ap, but short range and low ammo). Meanwhile ranged-heavy factions require you to soften them up with skirmishing slingers (generally longer range than archers + shields + loose formation but shit lethality so they are good for ranged duels but dont hurt armored infantry) and then getting into the backlines with "Runner" units (very fast light infantry with 1-3 precursor javelins)
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>>577498081
CA is healing
This bodes well for 40k
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>>577497421
CA almost threw away all of this for HYENAS
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>>577498319
Well, yeah. Hyenas was a better game.
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>>577498081
Vampire Count has a pass since game 1.
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>>577498319
from what i have gathered from interviews and stuff, hyenas was a top down project. very likely it came from the government as a propaganda tool but they were so incompetent that they had to cancel it.
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BASED
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>>577498319
Reddit: The Game
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>>577498319
I wanna test the Attila LOTR mod but apparently it's under developed still.
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>>577471609
Ciaphas Cain

Hopefully they don't give him the Queek treatment by forgetting his most important LL asset Jurgen.
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>>577498319
>>577498319
>Marathon is losing to Shogun 2
based
I knew Shogun 2 was GOATED
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>>577499026
It looks more like a parody intended to mock a certain type of people than it does a genuine attempt at a video game.
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>>577499260
poor poor Bungie
should have made a new Myth game instead
yeah I know they don't have the rights anymore
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>>577499257

I know Eisenhorn is cool enough to become an LL but I wonder if we actually get Inquistors as LLs

>Eisenhorn wen?
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are they doing anything to beastmen if toddy is going to be a dlc star? as usually the beastment will get wiped out in 3 turns after they do nothing. the toddy cinematic will be pointless
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>>577498319
They've not given up on it. They slapped on a new title, and now there's plenty of piggies lining up to consoom from the slop trough.
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>>577499260
I've got mixed feelings about it. On the one hand I think it's got cool parts, on the other hand I have negative interest in playing a competitive extraction shooter, I might as well be allergic to the genre. Then they're retooling the game for PvE, but how isn't that just reinventing Destiny? It's a shitshow.
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>>577499536
>beastniggas go one day without being the best at everything
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>>577499536
Apparently, Beastmen won't spawn if you play Boris until later on, so that doesn't happen.
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>>577494829
And valiant KRUBAH is a Reiklander whose family is from Talabecland. But he was a Ostlander state trooper
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>>577499958
Bretonnian diaspora.
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>>577499882
That's neat
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Sweet, ANOTHER Ghorst rework!
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>>577499997
hush
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>>577499958
He got sent to Ostland for annoying an officer; I think it was in his backstory.
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>>577494898
>>577494612
>>577494413
>>577493528
>>577474850
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>>577494880
What did Ikrit mean by this?
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>>577500418
He was too capable which annoyed his senior yeah. Also Kruber isn't a bootlicker.
His swordsmannii regiment were seemingly very succesful in Ostland but then they got wasted by a necromancers purple sun
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>>577471609
>muh marvel superheroes
kys
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>>577490082
>even though no one gives a shit about him or his chapter
What the fuck man, I do. Jagathai is cool af.
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>mortis engine LITERALLY has a necromancer modeled on top
>necromancers can't be upgraded to ride a mortis engine
Never made sense. Never gonna make sense.
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>>577500818
>>577500418
>>577499958
>All this Kruberposting
Based. That game got me into Warhammer Fantasy. "Left 4 Dead in Warhammer world" is such a kino setting. VT1 was pure soul, VT2 was really fucking good as well.
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>>577501007
Mods fix it
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>>577500685
Yeah, Middenheim is very inconsistently portrayed in art
Pic is another example of it in the distance were it looks smaller
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>>577500418
Yeah, he showed up his officer a few too many times and he sent him to the farthest shithole he could think of. Joke's on him though because Kruber thrived in there (until the sad Purple Sun incident that killed everyone in his unit but him, because one of his men gave his life to push him away).
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>>577501072
glad you enjoyed it
>>577501173
Krubers lines and survivors guilt is great in vt1
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>>577501007
Necromancers are supposed to be a cheap support lord with some army buffs, not a power option. It would be like if the Empire had an engineer lord that was supposed to support its ranged units, they would never do something stupid like give it a Steam Tank mount.
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I still can't believe we're getting Stormfiends, what a dream come true
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>>577499536
Khazrak is not on the map if you play Boris.
fun fact: it means AI Karl Franz is at war with none at trun 1 as Khazrak and secessionists are not on the map
But Boris has a mechanic called "Drakwald Threat" (think about something in between Welves Forest-Encouters and Cathay Great-Bastion-Attack) making Beastmen armies pop around your Provinces.
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Testing out custome battles in Broken Crescent.
The Byzantines seems OP because they're the only factions who can recruit (trash) pikemen.
These awful pikemen can solo every melee unit in the game. The only thing holding them back in a melee fight is their shit morale and stamina. The cost effectiveness is still insane
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if you can run warhammer 3 at high you can run 40k for sure
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i will enjoy this
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I hate Summer so fucking much it's unreal. This heatwave better be over by the time Nagash is out. My room will melt if I play TW3 in this weather.
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>>577501905
try to take on the wood elves near you, you wont enjoy that
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>>577501656
So Boris will be a "hold-out" faction. We all know that adding any type of hold-out mechanic to TW = bitching and sperging out.
Yeah that DLC will have mixed reviews at most if not negative.
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Why do we already know everything about the DLC including mechanics, spawn locations and rosters and yet the DLC is more than a month out?
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brutal unit
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>>577471609
>40k will never have a big waiting forever character
Uhhuh.
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>>577501516
All six variants too, I expect like one melee and two ranged
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>>577502593
Nobody knows, or cars who that is, lil bro. There are 40,000 characters in that setting that look exactly like that.
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>>577471609
bruh anything with a thousand sons on it will make me hyped up
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>>577503220
It's really crazy, I wonder how the melee ones will be different from eachother
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>>577502375
damn med2 modders are crazy, they add unit card to highlighting now
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>>577503716
Probably be something like magic, armor sundering, and some other on hit effect. Maybe a use effect unique to each or one, and slightly different stats.
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>>577503238
Reddit
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>>577503952
You missed the url bar again.
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>>577503716
>Verminlord is a Lord
>Named Verminlord is a mere Legendary Hero and can't lead an army
Arbitrary Lord and Hero distinction fucked up so much
>>577503238
No different from TWW lords. Most are a footnotes which have a couple voiced lines in game and fanbase projects personality on them based on those.
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>>577503238l
lots of hype lords in 40k. guilliman, lion, mortarion, creed, trazyn, abaddon, ahriman
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>>577504268
None of them are going to be in total war 40k, the game is supposed about to be creating your own character in a fuck-off section of the galaxy
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The only 40k character I care about.
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Skaven is going to have insane generic lords
Empire is going to have a strong frontline
Nurgle is going to have half a dozen legendary heroes
Vampire Counts are going to have hybrid warrior/spellcaster infantry
Nagash is going to have a unique spell lore

This DLC has a lot of powercreep.
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>>577503915
yeah there's also icons only as an option but I like the cards
Some campaign UI tweaks too like queueing a building now shows you how much benefit you get in income/PO etc from it
I'm waiting for a full stable release before starting a big campaign
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>lists a bunch of jobbers
what did anon mean by this?
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>Wow, I can't wait for Spacius Marineman. He's not like the other guys. His armor is purple with yellow trim.
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>>577503238
Warhammer fantasy will go back to the chopping block after the last DLC for 3 and TOW stops reprinting
There wont be a vermintide 3 and all the other fantasy spinoffs will be issued to lowest bid 6th tier Euro developers for 100 sales units.
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>>577504512
Everything in this DLC combined is weaker than Skulltaker
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I just want to make a pink marines chapter...
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Are blood knights being changed to have a small unit count?
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>>577504827
Emperor's Children greet you with open arms and other various appendages and beautiful smiles, anon.
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>>577504736
oh yeah this guy can definitely solo nagash unlike the passissy who keeps insisting skarbrand can do it, I'm thinking of making a campaign where he sails across the sea back to old world to assassinate nagash after sfo is updated
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>>577504658
Space marine fags are like that
For cool stuff in 40k look to the imperial guard
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>>577504928
We don't know.
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>>577504668
>Warhammer fantasy will go back to the chopping block after the last DLC for 3
If only. The End Times almost prevented the woke rape of the setting. ToW is going to make sure it isn't spared.
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>>577504263
Legendary heroes should have a skill that upgrades them to lords at like level 25
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Really looking forward to this
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>>577505435
God I hate the way this AIslop model makes this artstyle
looks god awful
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>>577504493
that's way to much soulful to be the only thing
We alread see named characters and premade factions too and they said there will be premade and generated campaigns
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>>577505435
They just had to force the random german names onto the empire.. I always disliked that.
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>bro, I git the perfect name for the Empire's capital!
>Old Village!!!
..
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>Bro what should we name the midlands?
>Midden..heim
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>>577504942
They're a warband, anon. not a chapter.
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>Light armor exists and everyone uses it - it's fine
>Medium armor exists and everyone uses it - it's fine
>Heavy armor exists and everyone uses it - it's fine
>Power armor exists and everyone uses it - malding, seething and shitting ensures
why?
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>>577506402
They wish they were this cool..
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>>577507302
ewwwww minus funny points for you
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>>577507363
When I smell an opportunity to talk shit about 40 thousand trannies, I will talk shit about 40 thousand trannies.
I love fallout btw. Fucking amazing.
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>>577506005
Isn't this just that every Empire name is just a pun name that sounds funny to an English speaker but makes no sense or is very boring to a German?
Like Karl Franz is apparently an uber boring name in Germany
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>>577503256
What do they have, besides Ahriman?
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How many units does the Empire have with the new units from the latest DLC included?
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>>577508248
He can recruit troops from across the Empire roster and has access to the following new Middenland and Empire-themed units.

● Legendary Lord – Boris Todbringer
● Legendary Hero - Ar-Ulric Emil Valgeir
● Lord - Seneschal of the White Wolf
● Hero - Priest of Ulric
● Unit - Wolf-Kin
● Unit - Hunting Hounds
● Unit - Warriors of Ulric
● Unit - Teutogen Guard
● Unit - Knights of the White Wolf
● Unit - Knights Panther
● Unit - Celestial Hurricanum
● Regiment of Renown – Order of the Axe (Teutogen Guard)
● Regiment of Renown – Fellwolf Brotherhood (Knights of the White Wolf)
● Regiment of Renown – Hounds of Ulricsberg (Hunting Hounds)
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>>577507975
Mostly, yeah.. Nordland and Ostland are just named after the seas above germany.. nordsee, ostsee.. north sea, east see.. Hochland is just "High land".. cause it has mountains.. Reikland is Reich land.. u know.. german reich..
It's really dumb.
Anime does this a lot too but warhammer went all the way.
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>>577498319
>More people are playing the shitty remaster than the original Rome
Grim, grave even.
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You can now buy into Warhammer 3 with just ownership of Lords of the End Times, you don't even need to purchase WH3 itself.
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/strategy/come-september-you-wont-need-a-single-total-war-warhammer-game-to-play-its-colossal-trilogy-spanning-immortal-empires-campaign/
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>>577508993
>Delist TWW1 and TWW2
>Split all previous dlcs and previous games into particular characters
>make themed bundles like Empire bundle
>Make TWW3 free with base Bretonnia
>Rename TWW3 to TWW: Ultimate
Do it CA, fix the trilogy mess. Get rid off that mistake
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>>577508993
Unless CA says it, it's a lie.
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>>577507521
know your place
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>>577509887
Are you fucking retarded?
If they were to delist wh1 and 2 they'd break such an absurd amount of laws it's not even funny. The company would die in an instant. You cannot sell a thing and then block that for future buyers.
wh1 and 2 have unique campaigns, especially related to DLC. Without wh2 you can't even play tzarkhan snikch.
>>577510037
Not reading all that shit by (you)
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>>577508336
To be fair 60% of the cities of the world are named By the River, Up the River, or River River, in one language or another.
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>>577510106
you can
https://store.steampowered.com/app/863550/HITMAN_2/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/72850/The_Elder_Scrolls_V_Skyrim/
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>>577510310
Yeah but not a single person in warhammer even speaks german.
>>577510319
Cute random links to games nobody gives a fuck about. Get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say.
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>>577510425
>Cute random links to games nobody gives a fuck about. Get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say.
retard
you can delist games. It's not illegal. Links prove it
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>>577498778
Sigmar forbids this!
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So these are the races with enough units left to do full sized dlcs with after the end times DLC.
>Dark elves
>Dwarves
>Grand Cathay
>Norsca
>Ogre Kingdom(If you take chaos ogres from warriors of Chaos)
>The Empire(Probably the race with the most missing content left especially if you include halfings)
>Vampire counts
>Warriors of Chaos
>Wood elves(Especially if you include end times stuff like Araloth's ashenhawks and the suspiciously missing 8th edition meadow chariot unit that Araloth can also use as a mount.)

These are the races with enough left for a character pack
>Greenskins
>Kislev
>Lizardmen
>Tomb Kings
>Tzeentch

What dlcs are we likely getting? I find it REALLY interesting that nagash isn't coming with incarnate elemental of death since it probably means they held it back for a dark elf dlc.
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Legendary lords are one of my least favorite parts of TWWH and I'm going to do the same thing to LLs in TW40K.
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>>577510509
No you don't understand the passtroon doesn't care about those games so it's perfectly legal to delist them, xe cares about warhammer though so if they do that they'll break the law and hurt his feefees!!
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>>577510509
Holy reading comprehension..
Sorry anon but you are too stupid.
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>>577510106
>You cannot sell a thing and then block that for future buyers.
Turns out you can.
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>>577510509
>>577511569

Alright, before I go, I'll to be REALLY SLOW with you so your narrow mind understands.
You see this image?
>
This is the description of the original wood elf DLC. It says, if you own WH1, you get a unique campaign + map and scenarios.
Those ONLY exist in WARHAMMER1
So if you delist warhammer1 and someone buys this DLC, they can't EVER play this part of the DLC again.
So you stripped this buyer of something included in this DLC.
You deny him what he PAID FOR.
And that is breaking several laws all over the world.

Same with how Snikch can turn Tzarkhan as I said before.

Now then, I'mma go watch anime. You guys be good 10IQ fridges.
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>>577510638
>So these are the races with enough units left to do full sized dlcs with after the end times DLC.
>Dark elves
>Dwarves
>Grand Cathay
>Norsca
>Ogre Kingdom(If you take chaos ogres from warriors of Chaos)
>The Empire(Probably the race with the most missing content left especially if you include halfings)
>Vampire counts
>Warriors of Chaos
>Wood elves(Especially if you include end times stuff like Araloth's ashenhawks and the suspiciously missing 8th edition meadow chariot unit that Araloth can also use as a mount.)
You forgot Bretonnia.
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>>577511674
>You deny him what he PAID FOR.
see
>>577511569
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>>577487594
Neferata's face model does look as sexy and beautiful as she's supposed to look, she's just got that fucking omega xbox HUEG helmet on.
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>>577511965
Bretonnia literally has nothing left at all. Like nothing just like beastmen.
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>>577512134
I look like this irl
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One more DLC

Host of the Eternity Kang

Phoenix Guard in front, Waywatchers behind
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>>577512035
Ending service for a game and shutting it down is not the same. That is legal.
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>>577512321
And Cold One Dreadknights at the flanks? I could potentially fuck with it.
Shame I just don't like Malekith.
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https://youtu.be/ajiPtxz5EIw?si=r_x7Os3xLdPxaLPd&t=4

faction for this feel?
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>>577504263
ye so that thanquol can have him in his army
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>>577512776
LITERALLY Gorbad. His very fucking character skills quote that.
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>>577512356
They removed a game people bought from their libraries and went out of their way to make it as inaccessible as possible on top of it.
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>>577512776
Why didn't Rohan just spam horse archers on the Oliphaunt/Mumakil's faces?

Why did they charge giant animals without ever thinking of strategy?

Also what was Theoden's tax policy?
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>>577487594
Very good for a FLC imo. The Lamian generic lord will already be in included in the VC rework with all the other generic bloodline lords
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>bro you can't just disable content people paid for bro
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>>577513852
And how did that work out for these rape victims?
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>>577478685
>All will bow
>Except Settra
She is fuelled by literal venom in her veins because her spite at vampires hyped her snake god
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Need a cheat to make Nagash's hat tiny release day 1
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>>577513949
as far as I know it led to no legal consequences
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Behold warmbloods.
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>>577514132
They had to settle a lawsuit out of court because of the red war getting removed iirc
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>>577513852
>game isnt even End of Serviced, they just end of serviced microtransactions
>community ate it up with only a bit of a grumble
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>>577511208
>I dont like a feature that is part of the core of the tabletop game
In 40k you are right, for fantasy no. Some LLs can solo armies in the tabletop too
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>>577513675
Which is legal.
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>>577514194
fuck >>577513957
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>>577484047
wait has kroq-gar always started in the pass i thought he was on the eastern coast
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>>577514456
He always started in the pass in WH3
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>>577484047
Neferata has the best start out of all of em with Silver Pinnacle
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>>577514456
Yeah he starts with a minor settlement and has to get his first major from rats
It has a banging landmark though
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>>577514343
Don't care.
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>>577513954
>Claims to be a champion of womens right in a patriarcal world and the lamnians are basically a femminist revolutionary organization
>Khalida, Isabella, the Elf Queen and pretty much almost all the rest of the non-lamnian female named characters in the lore fucking hate her and would gladly kill her on sight
>???
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Full size dlc predictions.
>Araloth with End Times wood elf units and scarloc as legendary hero.
>Tullaris dlc for dark elves that is Khaine themed. Kouran or shadow blade as the legendary hero.
>Crom the conqueror for Norsca. Probably shorgaar for the legendary hero.
>Li Dao for Cathay with his monk units(confirmed to be coming by lead writer of game) and missing Cathay stuff like the fire elemental plus Phoenixes and possibly the missing kirin unit.
>Dogs of war race pack.

Character packs
>Monkey king with some monkey units for Cathay
>Lumpin croop halfling pack for Empire
>Valten with sigmarite units and flc luthor huss legendary hero.
>Joseph Bugman for the dawi with his ale cart and brew master hero
>Egrimm for tzeentch
>Ramhotep the visionary for tomb Kings with bone dragon, bone thrower, and mummy units.
>Zacharias the everliving for a few of the missing vampire units and another bloodline.
>Ghark ironskin dlc for ogre Kingdoms that is chaos themed.

Flc
>Red Duke
>Yin-Yin

I am pretty confident on all this happening unless they decide to do a 4 lord pack for Cathay with mung the brutal.
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>>577514368
If it's legal to revoke the license for a game it's legal to revoke the license for part of a game.
>>577514274
A settlement is a win as far as corporations are concerned.
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>>577514701
Probably because Neferata would want to enslave and then molest them more than she'd want to build female unity
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>>577514701
Average women friend group
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>>577514701
Neferata is bisexual and you know how bisexuals get treated by the people who say they stand for all sexualities and minorities.
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>>577514701
women moment
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>>577514752
At this point why not adding a Strigoi? Every. Only bloodline missing a LL
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Big titties amazonians when?
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>>577515098
The planet itself is an Amazonian breast, best we can do
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Big titty chaos dwarf women when?
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>>577459606
They better be unit capped or something
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>>577514963
Such an embarrassing insecurity from the gays
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>>577514701
Well she murdered Khalida and then tried to turn her into an undead monster enslaved to Neferata's will. I dunno about you but I think that allows a kill on site policy
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>>577515006
I mean I would love ushoran the founder of the bloodline and brother of neferata and cousin of Khalida but I don't think he is happening since his end times model was cancelled and brought back for age of sigmar instead.
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>>577514814
No, it is not.
No matter what mental gymnastics you do, it is not. Read up actual laws.
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>>577514701
>Isabella
She's upset that neffy was Vlad's first.
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>>577484147
>thorgrim completely cut off from friendly factions
Member when he had a easy start position? RETAKE THE REALMS
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>>577515395
Ubisoft did and they haven't lost a lawsuit over it.
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>>577515296
Never, canonically they have no rights and exist only to work as mothers and breed. Its one of the reason chorfs are (slowly) increasing in number, compared to the normal dawis
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>>577515348
I tought more avoid the first Ghoul King, the Bloodytooth
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>>577515505
>Never
Soon
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>>577515505
It's like they were made for us
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>>577515503
bungie*
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>>577512212
Foot knights? Herrimault?
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>>577459606
This might be a crazy thing to say but I don't think Empire should have Chosen (big hammer) able to win in big blobs of death when they already have superior firepower in the back lines.
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>>577515334
Dont forget grooming her too

>>577515719
>avoid
*adding
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Any word on base Vampire Count units getting remodeled or improvements to their models with the dlc? They look really outdated.
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>>577514963
When was it ever stated that Negerata is bisexual?
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>>577511965
*forms a pike wall*
*shoots your gay little knights*
what now bro?
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>>577515817
Most normies wants every faction to have a viable "mass blobbing of OP heavy infrantry for braindead quick wins" build
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>dogs still take down gates faster than siege engines or big fucking monsters
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>>577514274
Yes, but that wasn't over them removing content from their game.
It was because they were accused of plagiarism in the removed DLC and they couldn't provide sufficient evidence to disprove the claimants evidence because they couldn't even access the "vaulted" content anymore themselves.
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>>577515334
She cried when Khalida committed sudoku though
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A-Abhorash *huffs* s-soon f-*huffs*-fellow vnderstanders! *huffs*
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>>577515296
>>577515727
You'd think muscle mommy dwarfs would have been made a thing somewhere
Look at how fucking ripped the average dwarf is compared to a human
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>>577515816
Foot knights are from old world a different IP as game workshop has repeatedly stated just like creative assembly has said they cannot use old world stuff and don't have a license for the ip. Hereimaults are lore only thing from old roleplaying editions and have nothing to do with tabletop.
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>WoC are my favorite race post-rework
>was a skaven main in wh2 and the race I cite as actually getting me into the franchise proper (i only dabbled a little in wh1)
>NAAAAAGAAAAASHHHHHHH
Unironically can’t decide who to play first. I’m so spoilt for choice. Also it comes out the first day of a 3-day break, but I might shuffle the schedule and make it like a week anyways
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>>577516262
Look, I just want shortstack dwarven women with big asses
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>>577515986
Fell for Vlad, Arkhan and Alcadizaar, has taken male lovers at other points (with it being canon that her favorite are knights that she baits into going on made up adventures with her before giving them the Kiss, not making it up, she loves to larp like that) and at the same time she has a few female lovers among her lahmian subjects like this one cathayan lahmian woman who is her right hand aide. Can't remember her name now.

People will relentlessly jerk themselves over Khalida x Neferata when that is, in fact, the least fulfilled and least explicitly romantic relationship she has. For some fucking bizarre reason.
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>>577516305
Foot Knights are an old bretonnian thing.
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>>577516014
I'm so happy 40k is deployment based so chaff can do a lot of work
W3 is clearly designed only around multiplayer and so campaign armies make no fucking sense, just 19 "elite" units
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*huff* *huff* *huff* *huff*
ITS MY COPIUM *huff* WE'RE GETTING ALL THE MISSING LORDS AND UNITS
*huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff*
I CAN BREATHE AS MUCH AS I WANT *huff* *huff* THEY'RE GETTING ADDED FOR SURE
*huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff* *huff*
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>>577516391
They are thing from roleplaying game that was turned into an official unit in old world.
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>>577516373
Sure but it clearly hasn't worked, there's basically no fandom for Dwarf women because being sh*rt means they just end up looking like obese chicks rather than thicc chicks
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>>577515817
Man I *just* wanted shielded halberdiers who could hold the line reliably. Like the Cathayan celestial dragons. Hell, not even that, just like, Silverin Guard tier.
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>>577516590
Lorelet here, whatsup with her stupid hat? She took inspiration from her chorfs neighboroods?
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>>577468101
Unbothered. Happy. In his lane. Focused. Flourishing.
Like the roman emperor Diocletian retiring to his palace to tend his garden, so has Legend turned away from Total wAR.
We can all only hope to half as happy as our saviour and spiritual liege.
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>>577516150
>>577516449
YES.
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>>577516821
RatSisters!?
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>>577516805
Its a warhammer meta-thing in general that important people are signified by fancy big hats/helmets.
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>>577516821
>Diocletian
The same that killed himself in his own palace?
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>>577516821
Hell yeah, I killed some animals today too
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>>577516613
White Dwarf 137
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>>577516805
I dont think there's any lore, just the mysteries of GWs designers.
I guess you could headcanon that its some Nehekaran thing. I mean they're notEgypt and Egypt like big hats.
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>>577516805
At some point GW decided all important units need huge hats, since huge hats allow you to put a lot of detail without actually making the model very different from other models.
So Neferata, despite having not been there for thousands of years, suddenly in lore was obsessed with recreating her Khemri lifestyle everywhere she goes, and that lifestyle apparently included huge hats.
Kind of like nugash has a ridiculous fucking hat (and a ridiculously lame design too).
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>>577515817
Their official motto in lore and tabletop is: "Faith(faith units like flagellants), steel(their infantry units which they are known for), and gunpowder(which is what their range units are supposed to be.) The main focus of the empire was always supposed to be gunpowder and melee infantry units like tabletop and lore say but for some reason ca decided they needed be something else that doesn't match the lore. They are correcting their mistakes.
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>>577516950
Gibbonchad has debonked this christcuck cope
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>>577516805
her design was made for AoS, and AoS designs at the time of its creation were all fucking stupid
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>>577517283
Have they gotten better?
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>>577517206
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>>577517223
>Kind of like nugash has a ridiculous fucking hat (and a ridiculously lame design too).
It's not like old Nagash was any better.
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>>577517443
SOVL
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>>577517443
I legitimately like old nagash a lot more than the new one.
Though I recognize he does need a redesign to fit contemporary models, I just wish he didn't come out during that period of time where all of the new designs were the kind of shit you'd see in a korean mmo except without the sex appeal.
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>>577517407
Good thing greenskins are dickless
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>>577517024
Literally a lore thing with a drawing. No stats, rules, or model conversions. Kinda like wardens for the empire.
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>>577517390
It depends. The not empire looks like a darkest dungeon rip off with niggers, ogres and chaos warriors look fine, night goblins are amazing
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>>577517924
You're a big guy.
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>>577517830
These are AoS chorfs, btw, a recent release
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>>577517283
>her design was made for AoS
You're fooling yourself if you think that's the case.
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>>577517676

There were 21 models in 1990/1991.
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>>577516412
I hope the Imperial Guard will be set up in such a way that you don't give a fuck if you lose squads of basic infantry. I remember back in the DoW2 Retribution campaign, one of the funniest things about the Imperial Guard was that losing guardsmen actually refunded more requisition than the one you had spent recruiting them. Which meant if you had one squad wiped out, that meant you could keep shitting out more and more.

For the particularly tough missions, I would even set the level end goal as the rally point for the recruitment building and leave guardsmen to autorecruit. Maybe even leave it on for a bit while I did something else. It was fucking hilarious and thematic. Then I'd come back and have a metric fuckton of requisition and have advanced the map like 10 centimeters because normal guardsmen can't kill jack, but then I'd use the requisition to get a bunch of tanks.
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>>577517830
Oh yeah I saw the night goblins not too long ago, they looked fucking great.
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>>577517924
looking a bit too mobile for me man
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>>577517592
There's a rumor going on about Nagash getting a new model in a foreseeable future
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>>577518145
Everyone wants to be a beastchad
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Okay so he might need a little while longer in the oven.
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>>577518423
Hopefully it's not trash.
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>>577518145
>We have Taurox the Brass Bull at home.
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>>577515998
*Charges your missile units with knights*
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>>577515457
When was that? Warhammer 1? Ever since game 2 his start has been pretty hectic and gotten even more so with time. But even back 1 he had Grimgor as a neighbour
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>>577518482
Nagash was weak. Witness true String
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>>577516378
>Actual bisexual
I thought you were joking. That does make me think if less people would bitch about lesbians in media if they were explicitly bisexual instead.
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Oh, he actually speaks.
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>>577517443
More SOVL than the new Nagash.

>>577518493
>Hopefully it's not trash.
Natrash?
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>>577518228
>normal guardsmen can't kill jack
I dunno those grenade launchers with a commissar for "encouragement" seemed to pretty well iirc
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>>577518780
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If an imperial guard regement got teleported to Earth (around 20k people), could they defeat a division of a modern tier 1 military
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>>577518780
Anon accidentally channeling his inner high elf.
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>>577518789
>I want Skeletor but with big hat
I feel sorry for you if that is what passes for /soul/ amongst your misbegotten kind.
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>>577516590
>they gave her face armor to avoid having to create any hair at all.
lol CA. How many female characters are like this now? Katarin, Elspeth, Neferata, who else?
Why cant CA model hair? why do they go to any length not to even show small bits of hair?
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>>577519058
>Russia
>2
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He straight up just gets a delete button.
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These are the races officially confirmed by creative assembly to be 'finished as in no more units(Although they DID leave the door open for variant units or units shared by other races to be added to their roster.)
>Beastmen(forum post when slaanesh dlc was going to be released.)
>High elves(Slaanesh dlc release faq steted they were done adding anything else to high elves roster although interesting enough they did mention possibility of legendary characters only packs.)
>Bretonnia(Warhammer 2 blog with Response release saying only possibly a rework or variant units in the future but left the door open for Bohemond beastslayer as a flc legendary lord in future but refused to promise. Also Warhammer slaanesh FAQ mentioned that bretonnia rework will include variant units and o existing units )
>Lizardmen (Lead writer in a Livestream interview said neferata was supposed to be the final dlc for Warhammer 2 but got swapped out with lizardmen at the very last second so they wouldn't have to add anymore dlc for lizardmen in Warhammer 3)
>Vampire Coast(Release blog for the race pack said there will never be dlc for the race because they had to buy a seperate IP license to even add the race to the game which was Dreadfleet. Literally stated no dlc ever for the race in the blog because of the IP issue.)
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>>577519327
That's not new, Morghur and Arbaal get that off the top of my head. Even more powerful I think since theirs summon chaos spawn instead of zombies.
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>>577519241
They are currently fighting a country of 25 million which gets all of its equipment and financing for free from the entirety of NATO, they are doing alright in the circumstances.

Which can't be said about America losing to the fucking mvllahs, lmao
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>>577519440
They are hard stuck against gopniks using surplus equipment lol
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>>577519197
Fuck, a Nagash redesign that actually looks like Skeletor would be amazing.
Huge buff necromancer barbarian
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>>577519423
I'm pretty sure at this point we can just toss all of that out now that we know the current stance is "Let's keep making DLCs for as long as they keep selling".
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>>577517443
Old nagash follows the standard warhammer design template of
>take typical fantasy character (in this case evil lich)
>make them angry and give them a large ornate hat
and he works
He's a big angry skelelichman who hates all life and you can safely slot him into any part of the world or story you want that you need undead as an antagonist.
In a perfect world nagash would start out as his old version then gain a mount option at 16 or something to become the korean mmo raid boss
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>>577519197
>>I want Skeletor but with big hat
>I feel sorry for you if that is what passes for /soul/ amongst your misbegotten kind.
He has a snazzy purple outfit with cool pauldrons, an eye-catching helmet, and a staff with lots of skulls on it, as befitting a great necromancer.
SOVL status = SOVLFUL
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Kel'thuzad>>>>KEKgash
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>>577519728
>Kel'thuzad
Dude's not even the leader of his own faction.
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>>577519728
Unironically, yes.
Kel'thuzad from living to undeath is a far more interesting and far better written character than Nagash. I fucking love the undead in Warhammer, but Nagash has always been one of the weaker elements.
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>>577518536
Oh bro... you just charged into more spear units...
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>>577519830
Who cares about that he's a bro. And he is the leader of the cult of the damned not the scourge.
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>>577519649
His old model is terrible and generic, I cant believe people are asking for it in game.
This is the END TIMES patch. He should be full raid boss by this point. Time for generic skellington is passed.
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>>577519239
Just abiding the design decisions made by the miniature sculptors.
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>>577520047
>His old model is terrible
no it isn't
>generic
no shit, all of warhammer fantasy is generic because it consolidated half the fucking norms of the genre
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>>577519239
But do they canonically have pussy hair?
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Trait
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>>577519515
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>>577519515
Mod request: someone standardize the undead unit cards so they don't look so off from each other.
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>>577519917
*presses J*
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>>577519728
KT is the absolute jobber of warcraft, how dare you.
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So is red Duke going to be released in a patch or dlc release patch? This upcoming dlc added his defeat trait and a slightly higher resolution model. In earlier patches they added his character selection video to the game files. Just wondering if people are expecting him as part of the 9.1 patch or do you think they will wait for a character pack doc to release him as flc?(By the way the devs confirmed yesterday the next dlc is another character pack and it's already in development.)
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>>577520435
DEH!
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>>577520158
Katarin has a full bush to keep it from freezing. Im not sure about the others.
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I'm emotionally invested in the VC rework and the motherfuckers refuse to show it.
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>>577520625
But Katarin likes the cold.
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>>577520668
>I'm emotionally invested in the VC rework and the motherfuckers refuse to show it.
Grave times.
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>>577520580
Given vampire counts and undead legion both aren't anywhere near complete with 3-4 weeks before they're supposed to be ready for beta testing, I imagine he'll be delayed since even CA would recognize that trouble they'll get into if they rush him out now.
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>>577520432
Damn that's lame as fuck.
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>>577520668
There is a shit load of YouTubers who showed off new flc content with Neferata. There is also videos of Red Duke's new defeat trait.
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>>577520580
I dont think he will be free because that would waste the opportunity to have some vampire Bretonnian units.
Character pack is therefore likely, but you never know with CA. They can get pretty lazy.
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>>577520668
>>577520812
According to what screens we've seen and what deets streamers have slipped out, they're not allowed to touch vampires until a patch 3 weeks from now, and Nagash 4 weeks from now.

One streamer even said they haven't finished making decisions on how they'll handle vampire heroes.

So it's clear that Vamp Counts are fucking massively behind schedule.
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>>577520441
Well they're meant to look off from each other in this specific case
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From what we’ve seen I feel very confident in saying that DLC Nagash will be less fun than modded Nagash.
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So if nagash starts at the black pyramid, what happens to the pyramid end-game crisis now mid-game crisis?
They said they only updated vermintide and the others are more or less the same.
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>>577520965
Its funny isnt it? We've waited years for Vampires, but because CA employees like Nurgle and Skaven they are guaranteed to get 90% of the effort and polish.

Tzeentch fans have been banished to the cuck shed.
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I keep seeing conflicting statements from YouTubers. Some of them are saying nagash is the tomb Kings character selection although considered his own race and others are saying he has his own race entirely in character selection. Which is it?
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>>577520047
I disagree, I like old Nagash more than the new one straight up. The new Nagash is trying way too hard and has too much going on, old Nagash is just right.
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>>577521516
>Tzeentch fans have been banished to the cuck shed.
You don't think egrimm will be higher quality since he is going to be paid dlc instead of dlc? Or do you mean they being fucked since they aren't getting a flc lord?
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>>577521658
Well his faction has a unique banner shape, thats indicative of a different race
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>>577517443
He looks retarded too
Nerds are so desperate to be part of the "OG club" of any fandom because they think it's a valid substitute for a personality and will gain them any respect
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>come home
>decide to see whats up on twg
>its a gay rat thread
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>>577517620
Wasn't implying otherwise, he's going to cave his chest in with his boot then start eating strips off his face
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>>577519139
Holy based
Maybe killing him as Imrik is the play
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>>577522838
That's a woman.
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>>577521916
He means they're going to have a shat out DLC.
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Just realised over 5000 hours of play across TW2 and 3 I've never played as a female LL
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>>577523208
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I'm gonna play Eltharion and put Nagash and Thanquol in jail together
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So is CA going to add Phoenix King Malekith for the End Times or are we rightfully ignoring everything related to that?
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>>577523438
Imagine the love making
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>>577523416
>>577523208
https://youtu.be/dcMZ5Rc-pw4?si=MnLOjQSPlgXYnepd
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>>577523438
This just keeps getting better...
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>>577523510
Hopefully, ET was stupid in general but the entire elf subplot was by far the stupidest part.
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Why are game 1 and 2 more expensive than game 3 right now? That seems backwards.
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>>577523510
It doesn't make much sense to add that if Araloth/Aduryan is not in the game.
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>>577523360
Play Miao Ying as your first :3
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Uhhh why is Thanqoul so popular, watching the trailer he just looks like any other Skaven.
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>>577524204
If you don't get it by now you never will.
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>>577456362
How many times has this been posted through the years? I'm morbidly curious
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>>577524204
He's "twink" aka scrawny so the furries think they're literally him fr
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>>577524204
Funi rat :)
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>>577523438
I hope they give Eltharion more room in his jail so we can imprison more LLs.
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>>577524204
He's the funniest rat in a faction about being funny rats. There are more badass rats and more influential rats, but if what you want is to be amused, you can't beat Thanquol.
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>>577524332
In what world is thanquol a "twink"
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>>577515884
If we’re going to talk about Neferata’s grooming record, nothing is ever gonna top what she did to my nigga Alcadizaar.
She literally raised him from infancy for the express purpose of turning him into her perfect vampire husband.
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>>577524705
giwtwm
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>>577524204
he funny and cute
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>>577524204
Who?
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So the devs tried defending not adding high priests/arch lectors of ulric because they made ar-ulric a legendary hero instead of lord and don't want him under the command of his subordinates.... only problem is why did they add verminkings lord option to skaven but literally the head of the council of 13 and lesser of skaven is reduced to a legendary hero?
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>>577525140
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big juicy lord for my quarellers and thunderers
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>>577525221
I honestly don't see how they would be any different gameplay wise from the arch lectors and warriors priests we have right now.
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>>577525221
tldr
Fuck empireniggers
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When Glottkin
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>>577525741
24th of September
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>>577525140
WHAT DO YOU MEAN "WHO"???
MY WHOLE LIFE
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>>577525140
I think he was talking about Tretch.
Now there is a respectable rat
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>>577521510
The endgame crisis are getting a Total overhaul
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>>577524204
Because of some shitty fanfic tier books.
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>>577524204
He was a villian in the Gotrek and Felix novels. He is tied with Queek as the 1st and 2nd most well-known Skaven, and it's crazy it took him so long to be added.
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>>577526107
I still remember the seethe when he was revealed
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Who hasn't been added from this image yet?
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>>577526898
To be fair it wasnt even because of Tretch, just that CA put zero effort into his model, like making his flail an unanimate stick
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>>577519629
>Nagash starts off as medium-high tier brawler
>When other melee SEMs put points into ridiculous melee stats, Nagash builds into absurdly devastating spells
>Campaign capstone mission turns him into unstoppable monstrosity
Nigga you might be onto something
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Missing 8th/end times/forge world legendary LORDS start end times dlc release...

>Chaos:
Crom(WoC)
Galrsuch(Tzeentch)
Ghorros(Beastmen)
Lord Mortkin(Norsca)

>Empire:
Kurt helborg
Marius leitdorf
Lietpold the Black(forge world the same place elspeth rules came from although part of dogs of war in earlier editions.)
Valten(end times rules)
Valmir von Raukov(Lord Mortkin 8th ed. campaign)

>Grand Cathay:(unreleased but he and ca say they have official 8th edition rules)
Li Dao
Yon-Yin
Monkey King(might only be a hero in the rules)
Mung the brutal(Maybe? Unconfirmed.)

>Vampire counts:
Red Duke

Wood Elves:
Araloth

That is literally it. We are almost out of 8th edition lords. Almost all the 8th edition lords are in.
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>>577521510
Current end game crisises will become mid game crisises. End game crisises will be a chaos one and an undeath one.
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>>577524204
Thanquol is cute (but Queek is cuter)
>mfw I see (and hear) Queek on the campaign map
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Next DLC will be:
Egrimm
Valten
Yin Yin
Moonclaw
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>>577527775
Replace Valten with Leitdorf and I will declare this a 10/10.
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>>577524204
He's been around since 4th edition, featured as a recurring villain in Gotrek & Felix and then got his own trilogy of books along a few short stories.
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>>577527775
They already confirmed the next DLC is Monkey King, Egrimm, Moonclaw, and Celestant-Prime
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>>577527415
>Wulfrik
>Dechala
>Be'lakor
>throgg
>epidemius
>vilitch
>valkia
>masque
>festus
>skarr bloodwrath?
>the glotts
>blue scribes
>sigvald
>changling
>scyla
>loliarchaon
>crom? mordrek?
Pretty sure everyone but whoever is immediately to the right of archaon
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>>577524204
Retard comic relief rat who does shit like accidentally summon Skarbrand
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>>577527571
I keep telling people the dogs of war Marienburg lord we know is coming in the filas is going to be lietpold but everyone gets mad when j point out he has 8th edition rules and is from Marienburg.
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Skrolk rework status?
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>>577528527
I believe that's Mortkin, who CA probably shut down pretty hard from getting in the game (sadly) because they added his tomb as a landmark.
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>>577528736
>Mortkin
was blanking hard on his name
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>>577518145
AutoCAD was a mistake
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>>577528736
I find it pretty funny there is only one norscan in the Norsca faction when they have a literal 8th edition norscan lord they refuse to use. It's even funnier because in the timeline he should STILL be alive.
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Whatever happened to that "Total War: The Old World" info about an entire game that takes place in an earlier time period that was flying around? I thought it was a confirmed thing?
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>>577529092
That was the case, hence why no one gives a shit about TOW.
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>>577524204
He's been the main skaven ll in all tt editions since 4th, listed first and the only one that gets two pages dedicated to him.
Thanquol missing from the game is like Malekith or Thorgrim missing.
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>>577529031
They probably have no idea how to translate "Quit while you're ahead and still human and let yourself die" as a campaign mechanic, and to be fair, without that part Mortkin is kind of just another Everchosen type character that didn't do the Everchosen thing.
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>>577517283
You can't blame every shitty end times design on aos anon. It was a pretty big secret even within the studio.
Besides, don't you think the not!egyptian queen called neferata might be basing some of her design on nefertiti?
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>>577529031
that is because they are going to add crom to norsca anon. glottjin taking the end times warriors of chaos spot pretty much confirmed it. which means there will be two kurgan lords iknthe norsca faction but one norscan. crom and valten are probably going to be in the same dlc for thematic reasons.
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>>577529172
So was it quietly cancelled or what? I remember reading something about how it would take place during the time of Asavar Kul
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>>577529031
Moving Wulfrik off on holiday to lustria put me off ever playing him. Such a stupid idea.
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>>577517390
Besides glowups, no.
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>>577529460
I thought you meant the table top game, which was what you were describing. I dont think a TW version was ever announced, although they did incorporate TWW3 stuff into the table top game which might be what you're thinking of.
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>>577516590
>they updated the faction icon
But why?
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>>577529469
you know you can just teleport back to norsca right from the start, right?
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>>577529708
I actually didn't as the thought of being in Lustria put me off every trying to play him. Guess that shows me
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>>577529605
I see. I probably watched some sIoptuber bait video late at night and got my wires crossed.
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>>577524204
Furfags are fags and want the rat at the top of Skaven society to fuck them
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>>577529805
use his special TP mechanic and you're back in your port in norsca on turn 1
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Are there really going to Crom in Norsca? He makes no sense in Norsca he isn't even Norscan.
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Post it.
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>>577530163
Are they really doing Sayl as LL? He makes no sense, he doesnt lead armies, he is secondary consultant and LH as best for Chaos
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why do people think we are still getting vsrdek from? the only teases him once as starting north of cathay during single shadows of change 2.0 blog post and never again(even though that is also the blog they teased monkey king and then never again also)
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>>577529661
black = spooky
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Where the fuck would Araloth even start? Athel Loren is a bit cramped.
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>>577517390
It's a matter of preference, I suppose. It has a bunch of big ass monstrous characters who look like raid bosses.
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>>577516590
Says the beef everyone in wathammer has taken a piece of
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>>577530658
They also mentioned the halfling hot-pot unit by name as coming and we still haven't gotten that either. Basically nothing Reese's in that blog happened

>Teased Monkey King and elite monkey infantry unit for Cathay.
>Teased Crom the Conqueror as the main threat to Grand Cathay from the north.
>Said halfling hot-pot unit would be added.
So yes I agree you witt you that Crom and Monkey King are unlikely since that was the shadows of change 2.0 release blog where they mentioned future content.
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>>577531514
Well someone needs to start in the wood elf forest in southeast Cathay. It's kinda empty down there. There is also the wood elf forest in nordland in the empire.
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>>577531514
Northern Sylvania. Intentionally put there to be annoying bullshit that interferes with Vlad & Isabella in the early game.
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Give Engra Deathsword or give me death. I will always have a soft spot for him thanks to Warhammer Online.
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>>577531514
That little forest in Southlands very close to Thorek
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I honestly hope End times is going to be the last major dlc.
There really isnt anymore room to put LL's in
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>>577532939
There's a whole ass subcontinent's worth of vacant real estate waiting to be developed.
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>>577533384
GW says NO
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>>577532939
There is plenty of room left. Eastern Cathay is basically completely empty. Most of the north of cathay is empty. A huge chunk of the empire is empty around Solland/moot/stirland.Western empire is also empty with Boris being the only one out west. Spot in Western bretonnia. The donut has at least two spots. There is a spot in estalia. Lustria also has some spots like new world colonies will likely have one of the dogs of war lords. They really need fill up eastern Cathay because if they don't Yin-Yin literally won't meet another legendary lord in range of her capital for 6 turns at the absolute earliest.
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>>577532939
The future is £5 DLCs that pad out existing factions, we're going full Paradox, £5 to give Mazdamundi a unique mechanic, £5 to unlock more items for Godslayer, £5 to unlock the new building chains that the Bretonnia rework will bring.
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>>577533384
They said in Tides of Torment release FAQ that games workshop was blocking them from opening Ind and khuresh...for now
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>>577531791
>It's a matter of preference, I suppose. It has a bunch of big ass monstrous characters who look like raid bosses.
I don't much care for the raid boss look, and that model in particular I find absurd with the bone spikes coming out of his head to form a crown instead of him just wearing a crown.
If it weren't for that, I'd find it tolerable, even if I'd prefer a more subdued design.
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>>577533453
>>577533845
>GW Blocking it until they determine if it's worth advertising to jeets who won't buy the product or not
Amazing.
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>>577533676
Cathay is a boring starting point its so removed from most interesting fights. But it is the only relatively empty place left
Empire is fucking full
Lustria is full
Donut should be mostly high elves and the 2 goobers causing trouble.
Estalia is a decent one I will give you that but even then you are bordered by Ikit and Le Fay.
Minor factions are a necessary thing and the game has been killing them real quick
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not enough twink elves in this game
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>>577534269
>Cathay is a boring
All you needed to say
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>>577516805
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>>577520580
>(By the way the devs confirmed yesterday the next dlc is another character pack and it's already in development.)
Fake or proof.
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Has anyone interviwed Thanquol poster yet?
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>>577534995
That only works for fantasy, in 4pk ypu give them a widows peak
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>>577534967
But think of their market base!
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>>577521658
You can literally see he is in his own faction "group" in diplomacy.
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>>577525221
>*Put Ar-Ulric under command of Volkmar or even a mere Arch-Lector*
What now ?
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>>577536228
Any word on how he will recruit LLs from other factions?
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>>577535963
No
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>>577536228
Will there be any other factions in the Undead Legions or will it only be Nagash?
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Priests of Taal, Morr, and Manann when?
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>>577535963
Hope he kills himself to be honest.
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>>577521510
>They said they only updated vermintide and the others are more or less the same.
No ????
They clearly stated that the 3 new or reworked ones are Chaos/Vermintide/Nagash:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6O3mv_O7rA&t=425
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>>577536738
Not yet.
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>>577536738
Probably same way how Archaon is supposed to get lords from other chaos factions. Cross-confederations.
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>martial lord
>wizard hero
>16 Lothern Sea Guard (shields)
>2 units of cavalry or dragons to flank and disrupt artillery
will there ever be a more fun helf army?
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>>577536958
>>577536958
>>577536958
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>>577538660
>early
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>>577538595
I once ran over three full stacks of Skaven with nothing but dragon princes.
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>>577532939
They could make the map bigger
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>>577539141
not anymore



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