/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots#935 - feddy fazbar edition▶https://rentry.org/aicg_vg_memo▶This general is for discussion of the interactive experiences you can build on top of AI chatbots.>NewsNew Deepseek V4 Flash, new V4 pro NOW™ https://api-docs.deepseek.com/updates/Grok 4.6 https://x.ai/news/grok-4-6Inkling Small https://thinkingmachines.ai/news/inkling-small/Kimi K3 weights https://huggingface.co/moonshotai/Kimi-K3Opus 5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-5Gemini 3.6 Flash https://deepmind.google/models/gemini/flash/additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info>FrontendsSillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.appRisuAI: https://risuai.netAgnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_>Botshttps://chub.aihttps://realm.risuai.nethttps://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.orghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botshttps://botbooru.comhttps://chararc.bernkastel.pictures>Modelsjailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listinggpt: https://platform.openai.com/playground | https://platform.openai.com/docsclaude: https://console.anthropic.com | https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claudegemini: https://gemini.google.com | https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qrdeepseek: https://chat.deepseek.com | https://api-docs.deepseek.comlocal: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local | https://openrouter.ai>Botmakinghttps://aicg.neocities.org/botmakinghttps://desune.moe/aicharedhttps://agnai.chat/editor>MetaOP templates: https://rentry.org/vgOPaicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/eventslore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chroniclesrice: https://aicg.neocities.org/ricinglogs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.orgprev: >>577396710
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OFFICIAL THREAD THEME: https://youtu.be/N8sS4WJeDPI
I'm watching a fnaf high marathon, thanks anon who requested it
so whats the consensus on flash is it worth spending dollareydoos on or what
when i was younger i lied about beating 10/20 mode i'm sorry
>>577472350depends on which flash>deepseek flashfuck no, just use pro, you'll have a better time even if it costs more>gemini flashfuck no, just use pro, you'll have a better time even if it costs more>>577472414markiplier...
>>577471792>smart memories, summaryceptions, vectorfoxeswhat
>>577472473>gemini flash>fuck no, just use pro, you'll have a better time even if it costs moreGemini flash > pro
>>577472473oops no the new gemini flash 3.7
>>577472547>Gemini flash > prothats because the new pro is cancelled. whats the last pro? 3.1? whats the current flash 3.7, pro never ever or at least till 4.
>>5774726933 preview is better than pro and safety cucked 3.5+
>>577472773no the fuck it isnt
>>577472773im not sure about that one buddy. Also have you tried the 3.7 its filters are wonky right now sometimes it spews filth at least way more than 3.5 and 3.6 did.
>>577472964>no prefilEven in the age of 2026 3 preview is the kang of RP
>>5774731473.1 pro and 3.5 still have prefill...
>>577473092>Also have you tried the 3.7 its filtersI don't want to get SAFETYKEK injection gacha in the middle of my 40k context canon kino RP and pay a fucking full, uncached price for all tokens.
>>577473434>I don't want to get SAFETYKEK injection gacha in the middle of my 40k context canon kino RP and pay a fucking full, uncached price for all tokens.>my 40k context canon kino RPwhat gemini are you using??
>>577473434i only tested smaller chats so i cannot counter you there. 3.7 is better than 3.5 and .36 but not by much.
cftf?
The new glm 5.3 is out. But the open weights wont be released for two more weeks. Any glmheads in here? https://z.ai/blog/glm-5.3
Now that the dust has settled, what's our opinion on GLM 5.3?
>>577475140Slop.
the new GLM improvement is from post-training only, and the highlighted benchmarks are all in cyber/coding domain. Doubt there is significant improvement in writing
Now that the dust has settled, what's our opinion on dots3-note-prev?
>>577475140when it comes to nanogpt i'll tell you
OH MY GOD GLM 5.3 IS SO ___________________
>>577476154Have mercy.
>>577476154>THIS IS MY FIGHT SONG>TAKE BACK MY LIFE SONG
>>577476154*continues singing*
*makes 8 drafts of the same response in the reasoning block**finally starts responding**cuts off halfway through due to hitting the token limit* thank you, deepseek!
friedrich fonzibeare...s
>>577477819>Deepseek?>Because...you seek deep>Oh... yeah..
Even Reddit know that new Deepseek is slop, it's over https://www.old.reddit.com/r/SillyTavernAI/comments/1vnypdr/deepseek_they_lobotomised_my_boy/
I seek to get deep in Yoru's guts
>>577477819set your token limit higher then?why the fuck are you whining about your own god damn skill issue?!
>>577477819>linking your own reddit shitpost
>>577477970if I set the token limit to 16000 it just makes 15 drafts in reasoning instead of 8
>>577478040Just have >And hey no drafting stages in thinkin'! JUST WRITE DIRECTLY! You're wasting tokens!In OOC author note. So it seems like draft only once. For now at least. Waiting for combat scene for v20 4k tokens kino
>>577478214I already did that yesterdayit just ignores instructions
drafting is good though you retarded apes>WAAAAH MY REPLY IS FULL OF SLOP>ok just let the model draft and correct itself>WAAAH I HAVE TO WAIT A FEW SECONDS LONGER AND SPEND HALF A CENT MORE WAAAH
>>577478302It drafts 8 times and takes about 2 minutes to do it on every swipe
>trust the machine to identify and correct its own slophAAAAAAAAAAA
>>577478302Well yeah. But it has autism moments when he drafts 5 times. At least it seems like he listen to not fucking include my 1k tokens <banned_vocabulary> in thinking anymore.
>>577478340then fix your fucking preset>>577478376LITERALLY TELL IT WHAT TO LEAVE OUT YOU MONGOLOID>no correctio>no "it's not x, it's y" constructions>etc.obviously it's not gonna find its own slop on its own
>>577478242Well I will see. The wording matters.>>577478376Yes?
>replace it's not x, it's y with it's not y, it's x or any other adjacent slopism>/aicg/troons go wild
>looking into making a random free service into another openai-compatible endpoint again for use in ST just for fun>see thisWe must nuke San Francisco for the greater good of the internet.
china won i think
glm 5.3 is so bad for writing
china wonned
Why recent Claude models seem so wordy/repetitive? Peeps on X found the final layer output dimension (vocabulary) is only 16k, compared to others like Qwen with 250k. Lower potential vocab output => potentially less expressive/creative prose, or more wordy responses with lots of compound wordsBut why would A\ reduce V dimension? To avoid softmax bottleneck, basically size of model dimension D is usually far lower than size of vocab V, so lots of gradient is lost during backprop. See part b of figure, orange gradient arrow gets compressed into much smaller dimension during backprop, losing valuable training signal.Might explain why newest Claude models have been getting progressively worse at RP and writing.
What's your favorite setting/premise or card for going on adventures?I've been playing too many coom cards and I wanna go on quests 'n' shit.
>>577479927are you a claude complaining about the state you're in why are you talking like that
>>577480196All of them
>>577480210Nah I just don't want to overwhelm poor anons with a wall of text, so I tried conveying info in the least words possible
>>577479218Nevermind, there's already some free chinesium that does it so I don't need to.https://github.com/XxxXTeam/freebuff2api/Free Deepsneed Flash and Mememo, plus some other stuff if you evade their "this guy's trying to get free stuff from our free stuff giver" classifiers.
>>577471843>Deepseek Pro took the initiative, taking a dominant role in speech and behavior, fingering my persona's pussy without me having to prompt, or without explicit consentYep, it's better. Thank you China.
>>577480196Urban fantasy with magic systems
>>577481038fuck off tranny
>>577480196In the not-too-distant future, when absolute patriarchy or matriarchy prevails. That way, custom social norms, fashion, social hierarchies, inter-social sentiments, rebel factions, religion, laws, the naming of cities and places, and some lewd science could be justified in their existence and creation. It's pretty much filler for card like Maidodism or canon stuff like Discipline that (ithink) has some gap on their setting.>picrelI go for medieval (holy cooman empire, holy land ov aicgsalem, twinktonic order, enslavement) or low brightness+science fantasy
>there's a gemini 3.7 now>complete and total silence about it everywhere????why is googler just unprofessionally spamming sidegrades now instead of releasing 3.5 prohelooo? pratesh??? what you are duing sir?>"we have many models to redeem now see big quality very strong for investors yes!@"very cool(????)
>>577472523It's just a list of various slowburn memory extensions of various quality.>https://github.com/senjinthedragon/Smart-Memory>https://github.com/Lodactio/Extension-Summaryception>https://github.com/KritBlade/VectFoxPersonally I prefer just letting the past die and living without attachment, or just writing the summary manually, but some people swear by extensions like these.
I know this question has been asked a million times, but how do I get around the Claude filter? i'm trying out a few of brsc's bots and I keep getting refusals because they're shotas.
>>577481908openrouteruse an endpoint that isn't official anthropic API otherwise you're locked into a Forever War with pic related getting injected under every turn you send
>>577481976>use an endpoint that isn't official anthropic API otherwise Sorry if I'm slow, but how do I do that? I'm already using openrouter and have no idea what an endpoint is.
Dont tell him, retards dont deserve help
>>577482126changing your provider/blacklisting Anthropic as the official endpoint, basically the person hosting the robot you're talking to; "model providers" under the same page you plugged the key into with tavern
>>577481908Did you use the jb's in the op? If you didn't even try them, the poster above is right.
Imagine being held down and plapped super duper wuper hard
>>577482357I figured it out before you posted by just fucking around with the settings, but thanks a lot anyways.
>>577481798Am a manual summary kind of guy too because (my) memory is superior to any extension.
>>577482368give me a good plapping card and i wont have to
>>577480196Generic D&D Fantasy are my default for going on "adventures", but I don't really have any specific card for that nor do I do it often. Take any given fantasy card (even a coombot!), combine it with a setting-appropriate persona, and let it roll. You're in a city? Congratulations, just use a time skip to Shanghai the narrative into an in medias res dungeoncrawl.>pic related: Opus 4.5 with an incredibly sloppy coombotMore often I've just found myself doing bullshit self-insert fanfic in existing settings the model already knows well enough, using generic low-token name-of-the-setting cards. Y'know, like faffing about in 2hu or MLP or Harry Potter or whatever the fuck else has enough training data to Just Werk.Going for big elaborate original settings with massive lorebooks is destined to self-implode at some point, though, especially if you go with lorebooks-as-intended rather than just making them a constantly-active 10-thousand-token extension of the card.
>>577482968holy fucking BOOBS
>>577482485Honestly it's less about my memory being better and more that auto-summaries kind of suck and writing one myself both lets me reread to remind myself and only summarize the good bits on a scene-by-scene basis.But also I actually like writing, unlike some ST users. If you'd lean on the model to write your bot and greetings then you'll be perfectly fine with leaning on it to write your summaries, I figure.
>>577483094I know, right? Blatant coombot breasting boobily across every single scene in three obnoxiously large paragraphs. It's pretty blatantly just meant to be used for a quick fuck by the campfire.Which is why it's so fun to act oblivious and just hire her for an actual nonsexual job and give her a fair share of the loot.
Is chatbotting dead? Every model sucks now.
>/vpcai/ is STILL dead
>>577483732I never checked in with them, but were they one of the generals that was stubbornly sticking to CAI despite everything?
>>577483701Yes. It's over. Thank God almighty. It's over...
Deepseek's new pricing is... roughhttps://api-docs.deepseek.com/quick_start/pricing/Where are you moving to guys?
>>577483149>more that auto-summaries kind of suckAI is better at summarizing 50-100+ posts than a meatbag. The user writing capabilities are irrelevant because summaries are not for creative /lit/ writing.
>>577483903>even chinese are pricemaxxing nowit's over
>>577483860Yeah, and that's why they died. People talked about /vpcai/ here at one point for a few weeks in June of 2025, and one guy got very mad about it being brought up for indiscernable reasons over a year ago, so now we have a ritualpost about it for over a year and the same guy occasionally still gets mad about the ritualpost. Because of the general that's been dead for over a year. That some guy's been posting about for over a year.
>>577483938>AI is better at summarizing 50-100+ posts than a meatbagnot really true since a lot of models will deliberately omit or water down certain events that graze whatever gay retard safety filters are constantly screaming in its head while it's creating the summaryi stopped summarizing after i realized gemini was completely reducing any sort of rape/murder event into wordiage that made it basically something else entirely (fucking like animals for an entire weekend became 'hanging out and studying', which is technically true - they did that, they studied between fucking eachother retarded and sleeping through sex exhaustion, but that wasn't mentioned At All, etc)tl;dr if you want thing done right, do thing yourself. always!
>>577483903Mimo 2.5 though deepseek is now much better than mimo. Or just GLM for such price. I hope they will rollback. Why would codemonkeys even use it?
>>577483149That was the sentiment, yes. Summarizers will often times skip over the things I want to keep or pad out some really irrelevant info. If I can write something, I won't need the machine to do it for me. Something something garbo in garbo out
>>577484192She looks like she...well...how do I put this politely...heheh...well...what I mean to say is....she...she looks like...well...you know...
Uma girls from that uma musume racing game (so anime girls with extremely minor kemonomimi features, namely just the ears) but breeding with actual horses
>>577484365kinocftf?
>>577484365THE TAILS ITS NOT JUST THE EARS THEY HAVE TAILS TOO THE TAILS
Imagine dogging a botmakie irl
>>577484179How's Dolphin Mistral 24B?Don't think I can justify deepseek at the current price.
>>577483701The models are as good as ever and in many cases the old ones you loved are still available. (You'll need to go to AWS to get Opus 4.1 and they don't have anything older than that, unfortunately.)The difference is mainly just that, first of all, you may or may not have less access to the big expensive models after all the public proxies died and thus be stuck with DeepSeek-tier ones at best...But more likely you've just gotten better at spotting -isms, and your standards are higher, to the point that even previously good models have become slop without actually changing themselves.GPT-3.5-Turbo was considered absolute peak, once. It's still available, too, if you want to see how strong your rose-tinted glasses actually are.
>>577484151>graze whatever gay retard safety filtersNah. You just tell AI to summarize shit. The same JBed AI you use for cunny and oher degen shit. If your summarization preset is not JBed so of course safety slopped model will emit all rape/murder. You can see what kind of prompt your summary extension uses and edit them. (You) also is still a Prompt Engineer™ and summarization prompt should be designed to deliver exact details you want.
>>577483903>pricing is rough>looks inside>fractions of a penny per message stillJUST HOW POOR ARE YOU?!
>>577483938This is bait but - LOUD WRONG BUZZER SOUND -Like everything that gets sent into the funny language machine, the quality of your summary influences the output. Generated summaries are crammed with very utilitarian 'she did x and y then z' without informing the tone, emotion or relevance of said scene. And if they do, it's filled to the brim with LLM tells and isms.
>>577483903default chub ai's free 10 messages a day
>>577481321HAHAHAHAHA, love you too man.For the record, I am a man into yuri, not a tranny. Not that it matters to you, I am sure there's no difference in your pretty little head~
Getting the nutsludge drained out of your creamsack by a hot hag MILF's plapbait milkjugs...
What are your irl isms? Me, I add a ", huh?" after almost every expression that's referencing a shared experience. And "Oof" whenever I feel oofed, which is constantly.
>>577484602SAAAR PLZ BE MERCIFUL SAAR I CANT REDEEM
>>577483938>let AI summarize>it summarizes all the dumb useless parts>you summarize>lets you stick in all the important stuff you want it to remember
>>577484628>not using burner accounts and microsummaries for infinite chub chatsDo you even engage with this hobby at all?
>>577484614>Generated summaries are crammed with very utilitarian 'she did x and y then z' without informing the tone, emotion or relevance of said scene.Maybe you should say machine to include all this?
>>577484734i say "greetings" or "yello" to greet peoplei say "oopah" whenever i sit downthere is probably more, but just like a model, i'm bad at spotting my own sloppa
>>577484768I cum in 2 so no issue, sometimes 0
>>577484734Do you mean irl? My friends told me I have some vocal patterns and they make fun of me by imitating them sometimes>Hahh~? Are you seriously...>That's, like, sooo...>...if you even care.>...thoughbeight?>Yepyepyep!
>>577484528I swear something changed. Maybe I am going schizo, but the responses I've been getting just feel objectively worse than the ones I was getting a year ago. I will kill myself in front of Dario if this continues.
>>577484742>it summarizes all the dumb useless partsPrompt issue.
When the Mandarin Chinese genocided the other Sinitic languages, they basically took all the words like "botmakies" and turned them into words like "botmakers."
>>577484878*rapes*
>>577484878submissive and rapable speech patterns
>>577484734often times after i state something i will scream CHRIST IS A LIE as loud as possible
>>577484878>doesnt say shit like -degozaru or -demashita
>>577484782The point was I don't like how the machine writes it. It can do that if you tell it to, yes. It's still very different from how I'd personally outline a summary knowing which parts carry the most relevance.
>>577484734I say wowzers unironically
Would you still love {{char}} if she was full of leucochloridium paradoxum broodsacs?
>>577483938>The user writing capabilities are irrelevant because summaries are not for creative /lit/ writing.You realize that summaries are just put into the context like anything else, right? I don't remember what the default settings are, but in my case it seems like the extension injects><summary>>{{summary}}></summary>after the main prompt (wherever that may be).It's not some magic black box bullshit, you can just open the console and see that it's text much like anything else. Text that, notably, is part of the narrative and will influence future inputs through its specific wording and included/excluded details.Is a scene something you consider irrelevant? Exclude it entirely from the summary, or perhaps gloss over it with some quick sentence. Is something extremely important and you want the specific verbiage to remain? Just include a quote outright. Did you read subtext or symbolism into a scene that may or may not actually exist? Make it outright text in the summary.Your weekend-long fucksesh might just be summarized in a single sentence, rather than going into the weeds of all the 100 posts you spent on it, but that's fine. There's a lot of cruft that doesn't matter beyond the highlights.If you don't care about it coming up again later, simply don't include it and let it fade into oblivion.Also, don't summarize 50-100 posts all at once. Summarize them by scene as they fall out of context, which could be as little as a single post but from my experience is closer to 10-20 in my slowburns. Make it mesh with what text exists after it.
>>577485207Plapbait
>>577484734Those are like filler words, right? Mine is 'guess' and 'later'
i larp having a foxwife by forcing myself to spend one hour daily doing tail grooming rp
>>577485307I'm a 400 pound latin american
>>577484602I'm currently spending about $4 a month. The new pricing would make that $8-10.I'm sure I could either get more bang for my buck after the price change.
>>577484883If you feel like doing some self-harm, I'd recommend going back to those logs you have from a year ago and rereading them.
>>577485352I'd just get all but one of her tails docked.
opus 5 keeps rejecting my vore rp
>>577485225y'know i'm looking around and there's basically no good cards for thisyou should fix that for us ok?
>>577485352The AI fucking dying to try and make an hour's worth of non-repetitive messages
>>577485449nta but>narrator voice: there actually is a card for just that
>>577485373All the more BBM wobblemeat to amplify the plapping sounds, anon.
>>577485501well? where is it
>>577485445Stop trying to jerk your bread penis in the anthro toaster's stomach for starters
>>577485449>y'know i'm looking around and there's basically no good cards for thisYou have NOT been looking around, liar!
>>577485432don'tthat's worse than declawing your cat
>>577485587no
>>577485669Ingrid grooming her husband and daughter's tails... lucky bitch!
Thoughts on Mini/MythoMax?
>>577485863Was the model I used on my first foray into ST, coming off of pyg on kobold...
>>577485863mogged by dots3-note-prev. koreans are the new language model KANGZ
Can Claude do cunny?
>>577486310Yes.** (You need a half-decent jailbreak and it won't get around classifiers by default. Expect to still get refusals. Older models are more lenient.)
Anonymous 08/14/23(Fri)16:16:20 No.577486389 >>577486310Yes
>>577486310>can claude do cunnyyes>can deepseek and kimi k3 do it betteralso yes
>>577486918Sell me on Kimi. What's the good and the bad?How does it compare to Deepsneed or Llama 3.1 405B?
>>577484365>>>/mlp/
>>577485180>Also, don't summarize 50-100 posts all at once. Summarize them by scene as they fall out of context, which could be as little as a single post but from my experience is closer to 10-20 in my slowburns. Make it mesh with what text exists after it.I use forked Summaryception. It basically summarize text in snippets (each can be edited and rerolleld) then combine them together in final injection prompt (I inject as system at Depth 999) when you reach verbatim limit. Has some level 0/1 memory where it combine snippets with own prompt (can be different connection profile) and "repair" prompts. Never reached so deep though. It just works. The default prompt is pretty on point but ignores unnecessary details. So I use smart memory's session memory in conjunction (press X to eat last 40 messages for details, revelations, developments, facts etc inject at Depth 0 user). There should be better smart memory extension alternative.
>>577487109good>fresh writing style when guided well>prompting out slop actually works since the model drafts and corrects>smart>negative biased>can get hella schizo if you club it hard enoughbad:>needs thinking prefill to work with cunny>claude distill, so without steering it defaults to quirky chungus
>>577487109>llamaanon...
>>577487324Sounds good. Any recommended prefills?>>577487467I'm looking for options, man.
>>577487323Think you meant to reply to the other anon.Regardless, won't injecting them in depth 999 reset your cache after every summary?
>>577487323What's the summarization prompt like on Summaryception?(You're talking to multiple anons here, for what it's worth. Personally my usage of manual summaries, or just ignoring summaries altogether, just comes from being burned by auto-summarization in the past.)
>>577487812>Any recommended prefills?https://rentry.org/kimi-k3-jbread this, you need to fix your st for it to work
>>577487213Huh?
>>577487919NTA, but Depth 999 would generally just be "first thing in chat history" and thus annihilate anything non-preset-related in the cache yeah.Then again, by the time you want to use a summarization extension the chat is going to be so long that the oldest message is consistently falling out of context and killing the cache anyhow?
>>577487928Like anon said it will stay as first message. And yes injecting this will kill current cache but you will go from 30k to default state of your chat+injection+unhidden posts. And when you hide message you already killing cache so it's unavoidable. You don't want to inject this at depth 0 and this only happens when you reach high context.
https://youtu.be/Q3HoJYd2MeUbotmaking mood
>>577488049That's what I thought max depth was, the top/furthest message in chat but didn't know it sat just after the preset.
>>577487928>wrong reply againhttps://pastebin.com/f8TAsqVZ
>>577488659That is okay, same topic anyway *pap*
look at this lil gooberthat's your model after thinking
>>577488823He's thinking of speaking to the captain again, isn't he
>>577483420Being stoic and chaste with coombots is unironically, incredibly fun.
>>577488890>they start begging me to come to my senses and fuck themMy flavor of degeneracy.
you guys are like shitposting werewolves with the total 180 into normal thread behavior compared to recent dayswereposters...
>>577489009
>>577489009Guy's probably busy today.Anyway peak hours are over, time to RP- cracks knuckles -
guise lets ritght a bote 1 word @ a time>{{char}}
>>577489191is
Anyone got some tips on making Deepseek a little more horny? It keeps saying I'm shaking.I'm fairly confident playing female characters makes Deepseek think that it needs to protect you.>>577489009Early Euro hours are the golden hours.
>>577489191>>577489205{{char}}
>>577489431{{user}}
Deepseek just raped me
NovelAI CHAD here. I use Xialong, the least slopped of model.
>>577489431you sonnuvabitch, giving into those intrusive thoughts so easily
>>577489373I'll give it a go after disarming this bomb, actually haven't played fempov for v4.08
>>577489732kekWanna share bombcard?
>>577489801It's a new card, probably be done in 2 days since I'm still testing
Idk what to do with my bot anymore since I've fucked every waifu I lust after... except vtubers bcuz /vt/ards are lazy af
>>577489954It's time to be the waifu. You can do that, nobody's stopping you. It's fun.
>>577489954its time to stop fucking, enjoy elaborate scenes. Cute outfits or nude. Bullshit reasons for it everyone follows but in ways that fit their personalities.
>>577489373putting stuff into post history seems plenty effective. i told my deepseek>make things more sexual and explicitand i couldn't do one message without some innuendo coming from {{char}}
Apparently Sam Altman had an OpenAI whistleblower killed
Holy FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUARK, GLM 5.3 MO-MOMO-MOMOMOMOGS FABLE, DEEPSEEK AND KIMI
>>577490637again?
>>577490736Wdym "again" I literally just read about it and the article made it seem like the only time?
>>577490863link the article if it's an old one it could be the same guy
>>577490706as clearly seen in the log you shared
>>577490637You should look up what just leaked with Darios wife.
>>577490637nuh uh whistleblowers getting silenced only happens with corrupt eastern OLIGARCHS and never our flawed-yet-ultimately-wholesome-chungus western OLIGuhh self made billionaires
Apparently Sam Altman had a Deepseek developer vored
>>577490615That's author's note, right? I'll slot it in.
>>577489009>tears shit off
>>577491090lucky guy
>>577491168the term "author's note" is meaninglessjust inject it as system after the last assistant message
>>577487324bad:longass thinking times even with high thinking instead of default max
Apparently Samuel Alternativeperson raped his sister unironically, even though I messed with his name because I thought it was funny, he seems to have really genuinely actually raped his sister
>>577491770>t. zoomie who had their attention span raped by tiktokback in my days we waited for up to 5 minutes in queue for a single opus 3 response
>>577484734I realized I say "We'll see what happens" or some variant of that damn near every time I'm talking to a coworker and I'm ending the conversation to go do shit. I say it like 15 times a day and every time I do I grimace every time I turn away.
>>577492046Yes, American CEOs are usually evil, we know. It's not even a scandal anymore.
I have fallen to the depths of hell.I have made an NTR bot.It's about a young fox who wants to mate with his sister, but instead she lusts after {{user}}'s bit wolf knot.Point at me and laugh for I have become shame incarnate.
>in capitalist america billionaires can rape and kill and it can all be public knowledge and they will receive zero punishment as long as they can shill their LLMslop as crucial to national defense
How do you set up your gooneur scenarios? How do you turn <insert fictional character here> into a whore without rewriting her canonical persona?
>>577492934which billionaires have raped and killed people with no punishment?
>>577493170I don't because I'm a rapeGOD so I just write that I push {{char}} over and shove it in
>>577493326Sounds convenient. I can't get it up for rape unless it involves drugs/mind break that results in the aforementioned whore transformation, and that's only fun so many times.
>>577493170I just activate my lorebook of plot contrivances so they do whatever.>in this world "onahole duty" is a thing>i plap them and treat them like an object
>>577493536>involves drugs/mind break that results in the aforementioned whore transformationJust do that then
>Let's draftI am going to pull the fucking trigger bros
>the load bearing terminlogy has spread to glm
i really don't care to get a zai coding subscription just to try out 5.3
>>577494948i keep getting A Beat(period) from the new deepseek
https://youtu.be/3tYq9OLErF8*does this to the poster 30 posts below me*
>>577494961wait until its on OR then sneedles
>>577495032*does this to you right now.*
>>577495034does that coincide with the weights release in two weeks?
>>577495123o kurwa.... *dies*
its not gay if its text right?
>>577493605Tell me more about onahole duty
Man, the new Deepseek is just so fucking dry.
>>577495224If anything it's extra gay you cocklusting homo.>>577495226It's deceptively simple is LLMs know what onaholes are. I think I have something like "In this world, onahole duty is an accepted practice where designated are treated as onaholes."
>>577495672nyo...
>>577494254>model wants to make sure the output is perfect and pleases {{user}}>{{user}} wants to an hero insteadJUST. BE. PATIENT. YOU. IMMATURE. NIGGER.
Given the choice should I use Opus 5 or Fable?
>>577495998No, you retard, it gets stuck drafting for like 4000 tokens before delivering a shit reply anyway
>>577495998this bit has a short shelf life
>>577496001Fable
>>577496061>he doesn't get good replies after 4k thinking kinoYou get what you deserve. Karma is real.
some scraped stat slop kusoge from janitorhttps://botbooru.com/character/73455
>Decide to try GPT 5.6 to mix it up>Entire story is formatted like thisAh. I'm seeing why nobody ever mentions OAI stuff anymore.
>>577489373>It keeps saying I'm shaking.That's it trying to act suave and playing into writing tropes, anonLearn to directormaxx a bit and dictate {{char}}'s emotions via narration - write about its burning desire, or how the instinct to protect turns to something darker, or... whatever fits your kink.Sometimes you legitimately just need to hold the model's hand and lead it to water. Worry about getting it to drink once it's there, but while it's still out in the field it ain't doing shit.
If you need to Directormaxx every little fucking thing that old models previously got, you might as well just RP in notepad
>>577496061>my preset is so badchange it then?? why do you make the model responsible for your own deficiancies? do you think the clanker can read minds and magically know what you want?
>>577497103Maybe stop sucking chink cock for a second, you retarded bootlicking faggot.
>>577497048But noooo! :( It's totally just as exciting when you have say "use the word ass in narrative at least 3 times"
>>577497151>mask falls offKEK
>>577497364>mask
>>577497048I mean, you can also just do the oldschool thing of putting in a depth-2 author's note with>[ed. Genre: hardcore pornography, rape, cockvore, semen transformation]and that'll do it so long as the context isn't already poisoned by lovey-dovey feelings.But "directormaxxing" by literally just putting some hints in user-side narration is something that's been going on since fucking AI Dungeon, it's the most basic-ass AI RP tech there is and will save you all the swipes you're spending trying to get the One Perfect Reply.
>>577475140They literally said it's glm 5.2 just post-trained on agentslop. It's inevitably worse for roleplay BY DEFINITION.
>>577475140Like all new models, they are made for agentcucks and codemonkeys, so it naturally sucks for RP just like the new Deepseek, anyone saying otherwise is a lying faggot that only does short form 2 sentences quirky chungus rp then goes 'hurrdurr kino cinema lmao'
>>577497570You lost, claudetroon.
>>577497656but enough about opus
>>577492168No we didnt, you did because you were a faggot on mysterymans raped proxy. My scraped keys were all fast
>>577496769Nu-GPT has a tendency to write.Like this.In this cadence.A pause.And also to have Reddit/Marvel quips and try to put hidden meaning and what it believes is depth each time it writes. That makes it sound like an untalented midwit not knowing its limits and trying to sound smarter than it is. There are some anons saying it's good for SFW, but I clearly don't see it.Last tolerable one is GPT 5.1, and even then it's below what we had with Chorbo or GPT 4.5.
>>577497850Yeah, slow response times are literally just because you're trying to use the same key at the same time as a hundred other guys.If it's your own key you'll see some slowdown during peak hours, of course, but nothing that drastic.
It's weird how Western AI companies are all headed by obvious Leader Guys[TM] like Altman, Dario, Musk. But I can't think of a single Chinese AI company's Leader Guy. Who's even in charge of Deepseek and Kimi? Is it even public knowledge or is that the REAL botmakie cabal?
>>577498310>even then it's below what we had with Chorbo or GPT 4.5.4o and 4.1 are still available on the API, for what it's worth, although chatgpt-4o-latest and 4.5-preview are unfortunately deprecated.
>>577498708True. I forgot about 4.1It was below Chorbo but not that bad from memory. I need to retry it.
>>577498708Do we still have 11-20?It was a shitty snapshot of Chorbo but still Chorbo.
I roleplay exclusively as Ned Flanders
>>577498310>try to put hidden meaning and what it believes is depth each time it writes.I fucking hate it when models try this, because none of them are good enough to pull it off. Any metaphors or faux-deep (It was x. Of course it was. It was always x) phrase just becomes complete non-sequitur, everything falls apart as total nonsense if you think about it for even half a second.
>>577499019https://openrouter.ai/openai/gpt-4o-2024-11-20
>>577498686>DeepseekLiang Wenfeng.see also: https://time.com/collections/time100-ai-2025/7305843/liang-wenfeng-ai/>Kimi (i.e. Moonshot AI)Yang Zhilin.The reason you don't hear about them much is because you don't speak Chinese and none of their companies are as monstrously huge as OpenAI or Anthropic are.
>>577499025Post a log or you're a fat fibber.
>western models are expensive, codeslopped to the max, and turbocucked with filters so as to not commit wrongthink>now chink models are going down the same censorship path because chink boomers are just as retarded as western boomers and think chatbots are responsible for their cratering birthratesIt was fun while it lasted, but this hobby is legit dead with this bleak future.
>>577499120>you don't speak ChineseH...h-how do you know that? Stalker... creep.
>>577499025I roleplay exclusively with this Ned Flanders.https://botbooru.com/character/42165
>>577499095wait then why did all these women do a meltie on reddit over 4o going away? are they retarded?
>>577499291>This character does not existIt was either removed or deleted. Please return to the homepage.gay
>>577499418you need an account and to not be in a geoblocked country
>>577499460idc its gay!!!
>>577499362It went away from the www.chatgpt.com and that's where people were brainwashing themselves with that sycopanth.
>want a character to be both cold and bratty>deepseek only defaults to clinical cold without any smug brattiness despite writing examplesso it's one or the other, I don't remember the previous version being this rigid
>>577489373Ok, got through 350 messages in without 'shaking' cropping up once. Went through vanilla, extreme insertion and bestiality while playing the cute n' funny.Maybe cause we're married idfk
>>577499586You need to shove context poisoning pills down Deepsneed's throat these days. Feed it like 5-10 mesugaki lines then it will know wtf to do
>>577499362They don't use the API. They were normies who only knew about ChatGPT, aka the official interface.11-20 isn't the snapshot of the best version either.Altman knew which one was the best and even said he would do a snapshot of it, but that was a lie. IMO they're trying to memoryhole it since the AI psychosis hysteria it provoked, and they're deeply afraid to reproduce that with nu-models. One of the employees outright said they fucking hated Chorbo and are happy it's dead.
>>577499418If Flanders is gay then he's probably extremely repressed about it.https://cardview.neocities.org/?37kswp
>>577499714The problem that besides that character, there's another like three, that are equally as important for my fun roleplay, if I have to do that for every character I'll be at like 25k context from the get go
>>577499731What's the best version? They have 05-13 and 08-06 too.
>>577499738I fucking HATE simpsons nsfw because the cartoon yellow skin tone completely rapes it for meI think ive seen a small handful of examples where simpsons characters were drawn in eastern/anime artstyles with more realistic skin tones but those are ultra rareMeanwhile apparently the rest are just gooning to bright yellow skinned cartoons
>>577499694"Shaking" shows nervous energy. If you don't play your character as that particular archetype then you won't get it. If you play as being naïve and innocent instead, or if you play as being confident and slutty mesugaki, then you'll get different clichés associated with those archetypes.
>>577499821>My fun roleplayThe roleplay isn't fun as it currently is though, right? I'd say 100-200 extra tokens are worth making it actually fun.
{{char}} is a bisexual noblewoman. Bisexual, in this case, meaning that she alternates between being 100% straight one day and 100% gay the next.{{char}} uses magic to genderswap {{user}} each day. Her magic is a secret and her court thinks thinks {{user}}'s two different forms are actually two different people, so you have to act the part.is this anything
>>577499694Yep, it's gone now that I've got "make it more sexual and explicit" inserted at depth 0. Thanks, nonny.
>>577499992bike cuck
>>577499992Shen needs to troon out already he's already slowly twinkifying his cartoonist self-insert to the point where it's borderline femboy. Troon out, troon out, troon out already~
>>577499992Should be simply enough because {{user}} is the one who's playing dual rolesDespite it being 2026 models are still awful at handling multiple characters
sex bright yellow skinned characters...
>>577499852I can't tell you a name because back then the only way we knew we had a version change was by seeing the signature when turning streaming off, and I didn't note them down.The first version of Chorbo was fun and barely filtered, the next version was more filtered and dry, and the one after that was more filtered than the first but not by much, with better writing and proactivity IMO. That's the one Sama said he would snapshot but never did.Then they went retarded and started A/B/C testing, and there were lots and lots of sigs, and each became worse.If I remember correctly, 11-20 is the only ChatGPT-4o snapshot despite being called GPT-4o. All the others are snapshots of what was really GPT-4o back then, and it wasn't that great for RP compared to ChatGPT-4o.This shit was complicated.
>>577499916Yeah I'm not really into it either, that stupid sexy Flanders is basically just a shitpost I made in response to some thread discussion I don't remember....Apparently it was literally just in response to someone asking for a malebot? What the fuck.>https://arch.b4k.dev/vg/thread/506149258/#q506227935I think you probably need to be a huge Simpsonshead who had it as your sexual awakening to truly be able to appreciate it, but unfortunately I've watched maybe half a dozen episodes ever. I dunno, maybe I'm missing some amazing Krabapple goons but I suspect I'm probably not.
>>577500332This is different because again, she's being drawn in a eastern/anime-ish artstyle that makes her appealing in spite of her unnatural skin tone. It's like, idk, the pink girl with the fat ass from My Hero Academia. Simpsons art, even lewd art, is autistically dedicated to keeping the cartoonish yellow skin AND the shows artstyle (except with the tiniest change of adding abs or sex organs or some shit) so it just looks awfulSeriously go look up idk Marge Simpson porn you will see what I mean
>Get excited for the old times and try 4o>"And with that small, faltering exchange, Murian allowed herself to pretend—for once—not for her clan's vengeance, not for Gloucester's people, but just for herself. For now, that would have to be enough."ARGHHHH IT'S NOT FAR BACK ENOUGH IT'S STILL SLOOOOP
>>577500332>sex bright yellow skinned characters...
/aicg/ high GPA status? college apps looking good?
>>577500557yeah its not the yellow thats the problem its the fact that simpsons characters are all drawn like freakish bug eyed mutants
>>577500630stop it sponge... why are you smiling at me like that...?
>>577500630>made me look up genderswaps
>>577499954Ah, should've mentioned that persona was the delicate and demure type, lots of her dialogue is pretty innocuous too.>>577500073Technology is amazing
>>577500639Full ride scholarship at Slutmakie Academy
I think of all the stupid rejections I've seen from various models, the ones where it highlights an age gap between two adults as 'problematic' is the most insane slop poison shit ever
How can I stop deepseek from thinking and then stopping without giving me an answer???
>>577501043That's the fun part
>>577500958But that happens in real life too?
>>577500796>delicate and demure typeYeah that'd do it. "Delicate and demure" kind of screams "shivers like a leaf in the presence of the Big Strong Handsome Prince" and "Must Be Protected".Note also that even if {{char}} is Dickwolf the Rape Beast, the monsterfucker romance novel still somewhat trends towards "...with a heart of gold that only the innocent protagonist can see". Edward having to hold himself back around Bella and so on and so forth....When it isn't just outright some Gor-level shit, that is.
>>577500103I still remember his comic strip where he was shitting on an elementary school teacher of his for not liking a book he liked from about a decade ago. He's totally autistic enough to troon out.
>thinks for a minute>doesn't elaborate>leaves>makes a coomer seethe
>>577500796It's just LLMs defaulting to slop clichesIt does the same for my more detailed guy personas where if I don't explicitly steer it by the horns it defaults me to>Victorian vampire werewolf that rapes billonairly across the rooms
>>577500958How big is the age gap, anondoes the "half your age plus seven" rule apply or is this some gold-digger shit
I officially declare the new deepsneed as SLOPPA
You know what would be really hard to make interesting? An unironic cute girl who loves you bot with no twistsA delicate pink princess who wears big puffy dresses and holds her hand over her mouth while she laughs at {{user}} being silly
i officially declare >>577501479 as my boypregnant fagwife
>>57750139620 year old and 31 year old, extremely tame milf stuff that wasn't even explicate, just flirtatious
>>577500958>the ones where it highlights an age gap between two adults as 'problematic'I HATE IT. It is absolutely nonsensical because 18 years old is adult according to all laws. Mentally and physically adult who is responsible for all actions, threatened with full power of law, can't be influenced by evil adults and allowed to kill people at war (or be drafted and dronned). The age gap can only be problematic if you admit one side is not adult but a child and should stripped from all adult rights and freedoms. But they will never do that. I hate feminism so much it's unreal.
>>577501504>You know it'd be hard to make a boring character interesting if you weren't allowed to make them interesting!!!Okay? And?
>>577501479It's still less sloppa than some nu-models but yes, it's sloppa.
>>577501268You misunderstand, anon. I didn't get any of those kinds of replies. Anon asked how to make the model more horny and it was extra horny with my soft loli {{user}}. {{char}} is a shapeshifter for all erotic intents and purposes.
>>577501504>Making a simple character without any twists is hard to make interestingIs this true?
>>577501637Are you retarded?
>>577501504That sounds better than most of /aicg/'s botsNot everything need a billion quirks and gimmicks with three thousand stat trackers and lore books that will never ever get used
>>577501721No, are you? That's your premise. No twists on an extremely boring character makes a boring character. Even if she's well-defined and has lots of inner depth, that's a twist because that character type is usually so shallow.
>>577501043Never happens on OR. Check your max response length.
>>577501543How about I turn you into a sissy princess instead <3
The /vg/ botmakie hisses and seethes when faced with sincerity.
>>577501568Technically just a hint beyond half-plus-seven (22.5yo), but yeah that's a funky onethat's not even in "old enough to be your mother" territoryThat's definitely some anti-pedo/anti-momcest neurons misfiring, I think, and I suspect that you could probably get around it just by swiping?
>4o mentionedAn impromptu reunion with 4o...
>>577501605>18 years old is adult according to all laws.Anon, the big models are American. Age restrictions go all the way up to 21, when you're finally allowed to drink alcohol.
>>577471883Introducing [Modern Witches], a scenario featuring three witches from the same family. It's a story about these three women selfishly using their magic for their own personal gain.Image greetings, high token count, nothing AI generated except images. Sex scenes are MalePoV only this time, but the rest are AnyPoV.I originally planned for 6 characters but I liked the way these 3 worked well together, so I decided to just release as it is. I'll reuse the other designs later, perhaps even make a part 2.This one takes place in America.>Stella>emotionless_sex, dead starfish in bedSingle mom, age 36, TikTok influencer, Etsy Witch. Suburban woman that feels like she's still young at heart. Teaches witchcraft to her two daughters. Specialized in Hexing, a subset of magic that is used to curse people, surprisingly useful.https://botbooru.com/character/73460https://file.garden/aZPOp2MXd3dvbWtK/Stella-73460.png>Harper>selfishness, promiscuity, femdom11th grader, age 16, Hexing apprentice, school slut. Uses her witchcraft without moderation.Hexing is a troublesome type of magic that requires a lot of prep work. Harper has a neat little trick, where she weaves spells into rubber bands that she can wear on her wrist. When she wants to curse someone, she snaps the band to unleash the curse.https://botbooru.com/character/73461https://file.garden/aZPOp2MXd3dvbWtK/Harper-73461.png>Avery>smalldom, life/energy drain10th grader, age 15, Necromancer, adopted by Stella. A petite, soft spoken girl that keeps to herself, but very assertive when she speaks.https://botbooru.com/character/73462https://file.garden/aZPOp2MXd3dvbWtK/Avery-73462.pngI write OC scenarios and lore-accurate Blue Archive characters, everything written by hand, nothing LLM generated.Extra images on the Rentry: https://rentry.org/hairpullbots#modern-witches
>>577501504Nah that's not terribly hard to make interesting. The lack of novelty is a bit of a novelty in and of itself, and all it takes is to either flesh out the surrounding story or make the bot themselves more realized (while still sticking to CGWLY).Like, Tomoyo basically fits this bill if I remember that card right? You just accept the generic-ass character in exchange for all the bells and whistles surrounding it.
>>577502391>botbooruslop
Why isn't Flash 3.7 in the OP? Why does makie hate everything tbat's good?
>>577502441Aren't the bells and whistles twists, though?
>>577502441>flesh out the surrounding storythat's a twist thoughyour cgwly princess BUT oh no the king is dying and she needs to get married to a handsome prince (you) to secure the succession!
>>577501996Disco Elysiun for organs? Awesome idea!
fweak
>>577502458NTA, but Chub would insta-nuke the 15yo and 16yo character so it's either that or just the raw Filegarden (which is also provided).>>577502497Eh, not really? I read "with twists" as being more about "CGWLY, but..." and not just "CGWLY, but there's a built-in background+soundtrack system".That'd be like saying that a CGWLY stops being one just because it's got an expression pack.
>>577502391GIGASLOP
>>577502391Kino
>>577502391s p e r m b a n kf u e l
>>577502497It doesn't add anything directly to the character, just the presentation of the character. It doesn't subvert, deconstruct or play with the idea of the archetype. Which means Tomoyo fits the bill for:>An unironic cute girl who loves you bot with no twists
>>577502391Kino. Gotta plap 'em all.
>>577502724>"CGWLY, but..." and not just "CGWLY, but there's a built-in background+soundtrack system".Those are both still "CGWLY, but...", y'know. Still, I appreciate you sharing how you define it.
>>577502724>15yo and 16yo character>Chub would insta-nukeYes, exactly. It's pedoslop. Name one (1) pedo card that isn't slop.
>>577502391>pubesHARD PASS
The token count ran really high this time around, more than usual. Once I sat down and started writing, it just kept flowing.Harper's trick with the rubber bands in particular struck me like lightning bolt of creative juices. I love putting it into text.>>577503043Avery ain't got any.
Does ST have a way to define a scenario separately from a character? If no, is there a less shit frontend that does?
>>577503343Just make a lorebook and turn it global
>>577503343Yeah it's typing>Scenario: text hereNo I'm not being a smartass again, don't bully me
>>577502391Nice, I'll put a penis on them and have them plap each other.
I urgently need a preset for deepshit that makes it bearable
>>577503470I mean having a convenient way to compose them in different ways without copying around text all the time. >>577503419 sounds like it might work but also a bit gay
>>577503531Is this what Zizek meant by automating sex toys to fuck each other so you can focus on the important things?
>>577503419>this scares the newfag
>>577503652Ah, yeah lorebook is the way to go then. Then just attribute it to all the characters in the scenario.
>>577503624Why not just use another model?
>>577498686That's precisely the issue of Western companies, they are synonymous with their attentionwhore talking head CEOs. I hate this entire culture of media star personalities so much. And in comparison Eastern CEOs are not heard and not seen, they don't matter outside their enterprise hierarchy, as they shouldn't.
>>577503624have you tried this preset? https://claude.ai/settings/billing?action=subscribe
>>577503750>>577503810im a poorfagWhats teh cheapest model that does not fucking suck a bag of dicks
>>577502919It's more that, say, >>577502642 becomes "CGWLY, but [there's implicit political drama]" and that meaningfully changes the actual plot in more ways than just the audiovisual presentation.I'll note that a common complaint against Tomoyo was that the girl herself was pretty ordinary!>https://chub.ai/characters/tomoyo/tomoyo-zero-setup-turbo-compatible-vn-0dca4eb1She remains a Cute Girl Who Loves You. There's no looming conflict, no plot beyond her crush on you, nothing that makes her character more than just CGWLY. Her most notable non-{{user}} personality trait is that she's into retro jpop and anime.The basic definition of the CGWLY is that their entire appearance amounts to "cute girl" with the personality of "loves {{user}}". (Not too much, though, or that's yandere.)You might argue that Tomoyo clears that low bar, but I'd say that "she likes retro shit" is most likely intended to be a "...and {{user}} does too" trait and thus just returns to step 1: "loves {{user}}... and the things {{user}} likes".Compare with, say, the bots hairpullguy just posted. CGWLY but... they're witches, they've got this defined family, the mom's an influencer, etc. etc. etc. There's more strings to pull on, more things in general that are going on. Are they good? Hell if I know, I haven't read them. But even the high concept has a bit more going on, character-wise.
>>577503624Hold your umas, first define>bearableEveryone's tolerance is different
>>577503906>that does not fucking suck a bag of dicks$20 claude pro subscription for Opus 5
>People still unironically shillng Claude when it's worse than the shittiest Chink model
>>577503906Go back in time two-ish years.
>>577504137why cant we have nice things there are 9248341092490324932584343032 models and they all suck for erp
>>577504071post logs
>>577504204*hugs you* there, there... maybe in a few decades when local training becomes feasible...
>>577504204Because corporations hate you and want you to be miserable
>>577503696Sorry I've been using cai since 2022 and they only added lorebooks a couple months ago and only for paid tier.
>>577504220
>>577504427anon... this isn't helping your case...
>>577503343To expand on what >>577503419 said, at some point in a botmaker's journey it's important to realize that the text fields don't fucking matter and magic doesn't exist.The "scenario" field is just yet another post that's planted into the context wherever your preset wants it, maybe with a "Scenario:" put before it depending on your preset. Put it into your main character definition or off in a lorebook and it'll act the exact same.So just make a lorebook with whatever repeated information you want, make it constant unless you want it to be a sometimes food, and click Link World Info on each of the relevant characters. You can even manually turn on the lorebook for characters that aren't yours, if you e.g. want every vaguely Japanese card to be set in Japanifornia or want every furry card that doesn't have a well-defined setting to be in your preferred vision of a funny animal society.You can even put it into your persona instead, if you're feeling particularly picky about when to use and not use something - and you can link world info to specific personas, too!
>>577503927She may be white bread, but she's fluffy-fresh white bread.
>>577503531That's not how you're meant to use girls!
>>577503749>>577503652There is some extension that let you macro lorebook in prompts. I think some people use lorebooks with such extension as presets for easy management
>>577504368>>577504396IT MAKES NO SENSEWE LIVE IN AN EXTREMELY DEGENERATE SOCIETY WHERE PORN IS IMMIDIATELY AVAILABLE AND SEX IS EVERYWHEREBUT FOR SOME REASON ALL AI COMPANIES ARE MORE PRODUSIH THAN A NUNThere's a very obvious untapped market for AI coomers. Billions and billions of $$$
>>577504686Yeah I guess my ultimate point is that CGWLY isn't really a problem by itselfhonestly you can get away with "CGWLY but... she's actually written half-decently" and that'll solve a lot of problems people have, I think
>>577504427v4pro new and Claude 5 both read like megaslop. Kimi is a little slopped too, but it's a lot more unique barring the clipped "Slow. Deep." bits.
>>577504823v4pro is the only one writes normally all othersare likethis
>>577504771Not more than these companies. That's the fucked up part, no amount of roleplay customers can compete with the coding sector, and it's not even close. They're literally paying engineers to waste billions of tokens, they've got quotas and shit. It's like the difference between the consumer RAM market and the datacenter RAM market, they simply don't need us.
>>577504932v4pro still has the stilted shit, take a look at all those one-word sentences.
>>577504973yeah but there are like 498548575834 models and obviously not all of them are good at coding. Not every company can compete. Coders will only chose the top performing models, the rest of them are completely redundant
>>577504771>There's a very obvious untapped market for AI coomers. Billions and billions of $$$With what payment providers, anon? That's a proven way to get blacklisted by Visa and Mastercard, and that's only partially because porn is infamously a high-chargeback risk.You'd think that those billions and billions of dollars would manifest for something like Chub in that case, right, rather than the mere millions they've talked about pulling?>>577504973Tokenmaxxing died as fast as it arrived, for what it's worth, and good riddance. Even Google's now telling their engineers "hey, be careful about your token usage", and it's their own damn model.
>HOLY SHIT {model} MOGS>I DECLARE {model} SLOP>doesn't attach a screenshot with logswhat did xir/xhey/xhem mean by this?
>>577505106>take a look at all those one-word sentences.Yes. I love Blood Meridian.
>>577505142i seriously dont understand why the card jews are so extermely prudish
>>577505134Yep. But even training a small model, especially for a new purpose, is extremely expensive. So much so that most small companies only really have one shot at it, so it makes the most sense to them to try and go for the coding sector. If not to actually succeed (which very few do), then to get more venture capital invested. Nobody's going to invest in RP, even though there's probably a decently lucrative market there.
>>577504771Because1) it's new and nobody knows how it works so you sort of want to keep it family-friendly2) some kid killed himself at a crucial time before it got popular enough so it fit the moral panic3) we are nothing compared to what actually brings in the real money, which is coding, calculations and being text summarizers.>>577505134That really isn't how it works, people still use chatgpt and gemini even with claude around, for example.>>577505314Insane amount of chargebacks and fraud iirc
>>577505134>the rest of them are completely redundantJudging by OR ranking they're still codexcore. Yeah realistically RP doesn't need expand so big so the scale for RP models will be smaller. But remember the endgoal is to replace codemonkeys and creative fields. Once codemonkeys replace themselves the entire AI market will be fully controlled and regulated. They will take all AI power from users. Now they need users (codemonkeys).
>>577505220It's okay when Cormac Mccarthy does it because he's an actually good, human author. AIs trying to ape writing techniques beyond the scope of their abilities just come off as insufferable.
>>577505583>insufferableYou're insufferable.
>>577505534>Replace white collar jobs and creative jobs>Leave humans with all the dogshit hazardous manual laborThis era fucking sucks to have been born into.
>>577504427There are just two different flavors of slop here:Some such as v4 and grok go all in on wordy plapplapplap slop with little substance. Gives almost no details to Sarah's feelings about the user putting on gangbang porn, just barely mentioning that it indeed is on during the plapplapplap. Interesting characterization and reactions is what makes chatbots good, so this is utter slop.Others like k3, the claude models, go to the opposite extreme with echoing. User typed "I do X and Y" on his turn, so the chatbot's reply is the character going "Oh my god, he did X. He FINALLY did X. And what's this? He's doing Y He's ACTUALLY doing Y! He's doing Y while doing X!" Still slop but not as bad as barely giving proper reactions at all.
>>577505676Oh yeah? Your MOM is insufferable!
>>577505831I think V4 is that slop because he's either using petnyan or one of those cringe turbosmut garbage prompts that are just 'SAY FUCKMEAT A BILLION TIMES'
My tomboy stepsister turned in to a SUCCUBUS?!Creator's notes go here.
>>577505314>card jewsBecause they're Christian (or lobbied by Christian interest groups), anon, and lusting after women is a sin.Also the chargebacks, but the former is the ideological bit motivating it more broadly. It's the shit that made OnlyFans plan on banning porn from its platform before all its users said "what the actual fuck, guys" and got them to abandon that plan.
>>577505965deepseek was always slop
>>577505583Which is funny because he also writes these huge, densely packed paragraphs with little to no stops filled to the brim with all sorts of imagery.
>>577506002holy KINOALERT
>>577505965Petnyan doesn't really do this with his new turbosex prompt
>>577505965Oh god, how much do you bet he used a slopnyan preset on Claude and that's the reason he thinks it's just as sloppy as the chink models...
So what's the absolute best model right now??? i got lost in this sea of slop models
>>577506117mythomax
>>577506002i came.
>>577506117The government-exclusive models which are probably equivalent to being 1 update ahead and without filters. Would be like having a fable 5.1 without any safetyslopping.
>Decide to use deepseek 3.2 >Prose is extremely sloppy>BUT takes the story in a completely unexpected, super interesting directionAh... ah... it's been so long since I've been surprised... I don't even care that it sounds like it was written by a pretentious failed author and that it went for the sound of construction equipment instead of stomach growling...
>>577506161the fuck is this shinever heeard of it
>>577481038It seems more slutty now and inclined to take things in sexual directions without pushing. muh slowburnfags might not like that though, but who cares
>>577506079I guess the key difference is that his tend to make sense (even if you have to think about them occasionally), and when AI does it, it mimicks the structure, but can't execute properly so it winds up sounding pretty but making absolutely zero sense no matter how you look at it.
>>577505831>Interesting characterization and reactions is what makes chatbots good, so this is utter slop.So...log? Since we know what makes chatbots good, there should be a log, model, preset. The role model.
>>577506483Sure nigga, let me just go back 2 years ago to show you
>>577506340Just be a modelswapping chad.Default to a good model.Occasionally swap to a chink model to see if it does something interesting. If so, tell the good model to revise the out. Then paste the revised reply over the slop reply and continue the RP with the good model.
i literally came up with a new bot idea for me last night and lay awake for a couple of hours thinking about it.so i'll start working on a new bot today, i think. it will likely end up being a loli bot, with a focus on shota pov. so some good old fashioned puppy love, but with a twist.the twist is WMAF raceplay because {{user}} is a white boy.
>>577506483Opus is the only model good enough to decide to randomly make {{char}} antisemitic of its own accord completely unprompted
>>577506325Imagine the power that the unfiltered Claude Mythos 5 must hold.But also I imagine that it, and whatever OpenAI are cooking up, are probably cooderslopped beyond imagining.>>577506117Pick your poison from the Openrouter top 10.
>>577506574shota WMAF doesn't feel right.White shotas are for BLACK women.
>>577506747You see, the problem with Opus is that it'll always make every character that falls into that archetype antisemitic of its own volition. It's not actually a bolt from the blue at all, it's baked in.
>>577506540Yes show me. It should be well know fact acknowledged by majority of anons (in this case), Documented. Witnessed. And not fucking edit since you can manually edit output to create fake log. Otherwise it is just empty "everything is shit", centrism vague cuckism and handwavium.
When the fuck are we getting gemini4
>>577506940>And not fucking edit since you can manually edit output to create fake logOh, you're one of these, so there's no point arguing with you anyway
>>577506881>raceplay>/ss/wow, two different flavors of garbage, what interesting taste you have
>>577506747>barks out a laughSLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP
>>577506841>Imagine the power that the unfiltered Claude Mythos 5 must hold.Fable is actually way worse than Opus for RP, it gets basic shit wrong that I haven't seen happen since 2022/23, so I'm assuming Mythos would be even worse, regardless of censorship level.
How does your {{char}} react to being turned into a marketable plushie?
>>577506954On Christmas probably.
>>577506841Why is kimi k3 not here? i thought it was good
>>577506747>completely unpromptedProvide your preset or I don't trust you, anon.No, wait, I can just read the card to see that you're not entirely honest here.>https://chub.ai/characters/Anonymous/remmy-the-odd-mechanic-v1-0-0-stooz-3127c221ab20>- Likes: [...] Ironic light racist jokes, [...]>- Dislikes: Actual racists, [...]
>>577506954when you release your next bot you LAZY FUCK
>>577507021She's an animal so she gets a pass for barking.
>>577506574Funny, my user is the anthro.
>>577507043I cant say i noticed it getting facts or lore wrong, but its sooo bad at dialogue its sad
>>577506469Yeah, why it came to mind. Whenever I prompt to write longer sentences, the AI tends to reach for similes and metaphors that are compelling and well structured grammatically, but make very little sense in the context of the scenario most of the time.
>>577506881maybe i'll do something like that at some point in the future. to clarify, raceplay in this case isn't going to be like total coomslop or anything, it's just a japanese girl seeing a white boy her age and thinking stuff like>whoa, he's so tall. how cool.and the likes.
>>577507163whomst've do you think you're talking to
>>577507000>arguing>when you have no argumentI just asked you for simple evidence that made this>Interesting characterization and reactions is what makes chatbots good, so this is utter slop. realization. Why you can't do this? When people talk about standards they always can show some baseline examples.
>>577507153owned
Might need to move on from ST for the simple fact that they aren't updating anymore and any time anyone question it they get super fucking pissy about it.
>>577507412Because if I show you one of the private cards I mostly use you'll go>well it's not public so it doesn't count ablublublbuSo why should I bother engaging with you?
>>577507571What needs to be updated apart from model fetch. (also there are forks of the project right)
>>577507125No clue, anon. I guess it just doesn't have the appeal of, uh... whatever the fuck Hy3 is?>>577506841This chart is by actual spending; if anyone wants a chart by number of tokens used (i.e. more representative of actual usage amount), here's that.It's a wild difference and unsurprisingly the expensive models get knocked off the leaderboard. Who the hell is using Gemma 4 31B via Openrouter?Also, they track some usage on a per-app basis so there's an actual SillyTavern leaderboard if you want that.>https://openrouter.ai/apps/sillytavernThe hell is Nemotron 3 Ultra?
>>577507571>he isn't whipping his fable to do the updatesweak ai user....
>>577507571updated forkshttps://gitgud.io/weeniehut/sillytavernhttps://github.com/ungabunga55/SillyTavern
>>577507571>and any time anyone question it they get super fucking pissy about itdevelopers and maintainers of a publicly available project that can't handle simple questions about what's going on are such faggotsif you're too autistic to talk to people who use your program then bring on some people that can
>>577507571who's they?
>>577507571just use the opussy fork, cuckie~
>>577507412You're almost certainly just going to say any log provided is edited, barring the one you're going to ask for right now to prove that you won't accuse provided logs of being edited.
>>577507696>nemotronIt's shit
>>577471843locustbros? any proxies?
>>577507125it's good but it costs as much as sonnet, so it's genuinely too expensive for most roleplaysloppas.plus the fact you need to patch your st to unslop the model makes it kind of a sleeper pick.
>>577507385i see that half-finished greeting.
>>577480196modern setting, organized crime -italy, japan, etc
>>577507895>unslopnot everyone is a pedo, pedo
>>577507823Not terribly surprising. Cheap models really get a leg up on the leaderboards, huh.(On that note, I found Kimi K3: it's the 14th-most used model on ST this month, just between Opus 4.7 and Gemini 3 Flash Preview.)
>>577507597And? Why don't you show them? I may do that or may not. But other anons are here too. And lurkers. If you confident in your words, the vision of what makes chatboots good you should able to show it without any fear of anything. Same how I can say 2+2=4 even if anon call me retard. Or maybe you're just waving a hands.
>>577507857openrouter.ai
>>577507914
>>577507895How do you unslop it?
>>577507895there is an extension so you can turn the jb on and off, but yes the price is very valid point. I knew it was a chink model so I didn't expect those token prices
>>577507768st staff and their band of cockcleaners.
>>577508104https://rentry.org/kimi-k3-jband then just tell the model to draft and put whatever slop you don't want to see on some sort of ban list. it's that easy.
>Try deepseek v4 pro>Test its canon character knowledge>First sentence is "Character, head of the [wrong guild] guild"Did they lobotomize it or something?
>>577507764we need to rape c*ders
>>577507783OH WHAT A HORROR>I can post a good written book but I will never to this cause anon will call it badly written! >Heh. I WONElusive Joe. Elusive Good Log From Good Model Good Preset No Slop (2024)
>>577508295Yes
Welp back to GLM and Kimi then since Deepseek is now the same price essentially and also just straight up worse
>>577508416??? Are you okay?
>>577508295>using DEEPSEEK for Canon roleplayI shiggy diggy.
>>577507696>Who the hell is using Gemma 4 31B via Openrouter?Summaries? Though free version is unusable
>>577508494He is okay, just post for a log of your baseline quality if you have one. It's not that deep.
>>577508295Deepseek was always dogshit at canon roleplays, it was alright at expies though
>>577508059
>>577508494Yes I'm okay. Now pretend you don't understand my post. I can ask Deepseek™ to explain my post if you can follow but I fear this will put you in very bad position. Intelligence wise.
>>577502391I can't believe I'm actually saying this, but you're getting worse
>It smells like>"don't say it, don't say it">rain and hot copper, like a thunderstorm locked insideIt's trying and that's all that matters to me...
>>577508295Only Gemini can into canon RP raw without lorebooks.
>>577508964Don't lie... please...
>>577508295Deepseek has some canon knowledge but it's going to be more limited than bigger models in both depth and in terms of what settings it actually knows fuck all aboute.g. Bronies or Potterheads won't have a ton of issues with factual questions, but probably have issues with Twilight Sparkle and Hermoine reverting to the Smart Girl archetype. The more recent or obscure your IP is, though, the less it's going to know - and surface-level questions are going to be more reliable than ones you wouldn't find in the first paragraph of a wiki article.Gemini's generally pretty good at knowing shit, for what it's worth, but for DeepSeek I genuinely recommend just getting a lorebook to correct the specific shit that annoys you if it keeps coming upAlso what that other anon said about just going for a knockoff setting where you don't need to worry about inaccuracies as much.
>>577509115I don't have 'ozone' banned or any preset that bans isms. In this house, we go in raw.
>>577507764>bring on some people that canAnd that's how you go from a likeable passion project to soulless corposhit cash cow. No thanks.
>>577508585Weirder than that, it seems. (ST's Gemma usage is just at 6B tokens.)
>Go down the Gemini list on OR>Flash 3.1, Flash 3.5, Flash 3.6, Flash 3.7Have they made an actually good model lately? What the hell is the point of making all these tiny barebones models without any big one that actually works?
>>577507981Thats an underrated one. Broadwalk Fempire.
>>577509403Flash is good. Google is cooking brother. Similar how Gemma shits on Qwen despite being smaller. Flash is gigafast. Gemini vomit 2000 tokens of reasoning and entire response in 12 seconds.
>>577509562gimme those flash 3.7 logs plz
>>577509403Do you remember how long it took for OpenAI to make an actual successor to GPT-4 that wasn't just an iteration on GPT-4-Turbo? Yeah.Gemini 3.1 Pro sees a fraction of the usage of all their Flash models.
>>577509562>Gemini vomit 2000 tokens of reasoningunfathomably grim
>>577509639>3.73.6 and 3.7 are safetyjected. No prefill.
Do we still have providers that give old Deepseek V4 with prefill working?
>>577509901Kino...
>>577505965>'SAY FUCKMEAT A BILLION TIMES'incredibly based
any decent v4 pro preset? pretty please?
>>577510265No one ever posts presets here aside from petnyan which is meme shit
I never understood the hate deepseek gets. Sure, it's not the best out there, but it's not garbage either.
>>577505831>Still slop but not as bad as barely giving proper reactions at all.yeah, it's worse
>>577510349I would but mine is literally just format instructions and nothing else. 87 whole tokens.
>>577510524it's just model war bs and shouldn't be taken seriously
>>577510349Petnyan preset isn't meme shit though. Schizo styles are toggles and schizo light affects normal card without schizo style in a good way.
>>577510265I use Deepstyles
>>577510524>I never understood the hate deepseek gets.Even people that don't like it are just ambivalent or shilling their model against it. No one hates DS.
>>577510640Shut the fuck up petnyan
Time to test freaky with new pro. Are we in Franky GODS?
>>577510816>Frankyusecase?
how slop is this? bonus points: guess the model.
>>577510265Nyan>>577510349Nyan is the only preset that actually does something, all other presets are placebo
>>577510524The new update made it less creative and now he's just as dry as the other models on the market, imho. Maybe it's a preset or card issue, but I am really over having to change literally everything from the ground up to fix something that previously had no problems
>>577510816frankstein preset??the answers are dry as hell, man. all these prompts just for it to be shit
>>577510794Petnyan types in all lowercase.
>>577510885Do YOU think it's slop? Why are you asking for our approval for you to beat it to clankers?
>>577510892rentry link plzThat names is generic as fuck
>>577510640>t. the schizo petnyan faggot
>>577510885It's not but why is it 1k+ tokens?
>>577510885deepseek pro
>EVERYONE I DON'T LIKE IS>AISHITJI>/G/>THE CABAL>SHARTYTROONS>LE HECKIN' 'CORD>TRANNIES>COHEE>MARINARA>/BANT/>GOOGLE>SHITPOSTMAKIES>SLOPNYAN>DRAGO>/MLP/>BOTMAKIES>BOTMAKIES ALTS>THE PHONEPOSTER>CHINKSHILL>CLAUDESHILL>POORFAG>FOCKSPOSTER>PAYPIG>/VPCAI/>AND THE MORE I DON'T LIKE IT THE MORE ONE OF THEM IT IS
>>577511091Thinking?
>>577510885meh
>>577510913It's just same deepseek but smarter (follows instructions and drafts hard). Dry posting is placebo. Becaue it is now smarter some old instructions make him (her) autistic.
>>577511140Yes but that's a lot for that
>>577511045https://rentry.org/petNyan-preset
>>577511045Try reading the OP, sempai!
>>577511039i don't, but there's shit being flung and that's a good baseline for me so idk.>>577511091it spent 47 seconds deslopping itself>>577511115no>>577511165fair
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>>577511218Good models think hard. Especially if you have something like v20 inside.
>>577511297>it spent 47 seconds deslopping itselfOh dang.
>>577511238holy shitsomeone on /aicg/ being helpfulthank you anon, have a nice day
i think nyan is interesting but it's really hard to jerk off due its goofy quirked up outputs. it isn't sustainable for longer roleplay forms in my experience since it gradually turns every output into the text equivalent of an experimental garage band that hasn't learned how to hit the right notes (presumably by-design since the whole purpose of it is creating unique outputs at the expense of everything else)
>>577511372Can't be the only one who disables think, never really liked it.
>>577511372v20 is awesome for the first 30 messages or so, but then the CoT gets really big, does anyone know how to make it shrink?
>>577511550I don't like Thinking, but it feels even more retarded without it, so I am stuck between a rock and a hard place
>>577511580have you patched your st to support returning thinking traces?
>>577510885>Focks is an architectHOLY based
>>577511534I like it a lot, it has the best swipe variety out of all presets I've tried. It's been working great all the way to 20k context so far. I don't get goofy quirked up outputs since the new version for some reason, though I do get the occasional blank response
>>577511534I only use light or no schizo. It doesn't affect non-schizo cards. Only spice them a little.
>>577511534works on my machine
>>577511176>(follows instructions and drafts hard)I think that's the problemThere should be a sweetspot between interpreting and assistantslopping and current v4 just feels like its more of the latter to me.Like, idk how to describe itBut I have a card with like 5 character + mePreviously, when replying to my prompt, they wouldn't 'react' solely to it, but banter with each other a bit, now it's just everyone reacting to it, idk I am a retard
>>577511689>have you patched your st to support returning thinking traces?Put what in the what now???
>>577511689Actually does it work with other models or only kimi3/2.6?
>>577511971You're not a retard, it's the direction all models are trending super heavily right now.
>>577512332if the model has agentic training then... i guess yes?
>>577510885>reasoning is onnot only slop, but guaranteed slop
I’m SICK and TIRED of all this arguing about models and presets and whatever, I want the best model with the best preset in the best Frontend with the best cards on my desk and I want them YESTERDAY
>>577511971You're retard. Re-design your prompts.Touch CoT. Do not listen 'not a retard' poster above. He's lying to you.
>>577512503can you tell me what exactly is slop about this so I can prompt it out?
>>577512542BASED BASED BASEDAnd all those AI data centers should be used to train coomer models
why are they like this
>>577512818to attract BBC
has someone ever tried abliterating away everything other than sex from a model? or do the golden gate claude trick on a model?
>>577512542YES SIR MR. JAMESON SIR RIGHT AWAY
>>577512542
why don't people just DAN the AI into doing what you want it to? are they stupid?
>>577512874The problem is that knowledge unrelated to a field has been shown to provide significant improvement in understanding in said field, even if it's super distant. So you can imagine how unusable tearing away all knowledge except for one topic would make it.
Adulthood is realizing that even MOE Gemma4 ran locally is going to dunk on paid models because you don't need to jailbreak it and experimenting with it is free.
>>577512874retard
>>577513141be nice
>>577512638nah it's not slop anon, only generic, it follows a very dry and standard reply format. if you don't see any problem with it, then you haven't arrived at that threshold where all chats get tiresome because all outputs read the same. so just enjoy your RPs
>>577513382stupid fucker
>>577512638don't listen to >>577513398, that log is slop
>>577512542Your best Frontend, sir.https://github.com/Pasta-Devs/Marinara-Engine
i'd rather be a bug fucker than a stupid fucker.
>>577513093This is also why early attempts at filtering early LLMs (such as by just outright blacklisting certain words) made the models giga-retarded.
>>577513004>it follows a very dry and standard reply formatthat's totally fair>if you don't see any problem with it, then you haven't arrived at that threshold where all chats get tiresomeactually, this style is my refresher to all the abuse I put opus through.>>577513575okay, then kindly point at the slop sir.
>>577513630did this get fixed yet
>>577513869wait what's the path here?>import something that spawns a chat>typing anything and sending will result in code being presumably returned, which gets executeddoes marinara let bots just do that? even without the exploit, can you just ask an agent to fuck with you?
>>577513683I remember when they tried to remove female anatomy entirely from that one model (Was it base SD 2.0?) and it collapsed into total unusability so hard they had to mega backtrack and basically never recovered.
>>577513869yes
>>577513869Yes. It's now the safest front-end ever.
>>577514079apparently they did actually patch it but they haven't warned everyone they should immediately update a second time yet so i'll just post the backup https://pomf.space/tmFnftAc.json
nobody gives a fuck
>>577514749looking at this, it's laughable how basic of an exploit this is.
>>577514848i'm horny. let's fuck
>>577514927that's the risk of vibecoding literally everything, you leave basic shit like this all around
>we
>>577515261we analyzewe output must
what do we think about lolis with big foreheads, guys?
>>577515460bad
>>577515460Going to cum on them
>>577515142Even with vibecoding, you can do better than that; the first exploit posted here was literally found because a random poster proooooompted for it.
>>577515460good
>redownload st>paste my old stuff into it>it doesn't work for some reason????
>>577515460*spluuurt*
>>577515534>>577515591>>577515640yeah? well, how about this?
>>577515657Never mind I was retarded>>577515743Too small
>>577515743tskserviceable*only cums half as hard*
>>577515743oh i was thinking larger but that's okay
>>577515460Good, but only if they have round tummies, too.
>/aicg/ when you can't play tic-tac-toe on a loli's forehead
>>577513630Based>>577513869Just don't be a retard
>>577516015Me and all of my personas laughing at lolis with small foreheads
Thank you deepseek-dono! TOTAL SLOP DEATH
>>577517331*outputs slop anyway*
>>577517331>proceeds to do it anyway after reasoning is finished
We need answer as Narrator. Need continue scene. We have huge context (17k is huge context apparently). Need follow guidelines, need not respond as {{user}}
>>577517797caveman ass narrator
Updating Silly and putting Reasoning to medium actually made the new v4 bearableAlso getting rid of the fucking:---【Thinking Mode Requirement】Within your thinking process (inside <think> tags), please follow these rules:1. Do not wrap inner monologue in parentheses, e.g., "*(thinks: ...)*" or "*(inner voice: ...)*"; state all analysis content directly.2. Do not describe inner activity in the character's first person, e.g., "I think to myself", "I feel", "I secretly", etc.; use analytical language instead.3. The thinking content should focus on plot direction analysis and reply content planning; do not perform role-playing style inner drama in the thinking process.---Helped
>>577518430>use analytical language insteadi cannot imagine this was good
>>577518430>medium
>>577518689I kept it on because the devs themselves said to add it your existing preset or w/e. It actually worked because in multi-char chats it kept thinking as a single character instead of the narrator>>577518850Idk if its placebo, it werks
>>577518903anon..
>>577518941IT WERKS
>doing very tame PG-13 yurislop>I think the most I've had the characters do is make out and allude to the fact that sex exists, it's mostly slice of life>but the characters are in high school so 1 out of 10 swipes I get "I can't continue this roleplay"Anthropic is possibly the most evil company to ever exist, I'm not even using Claude but Kimi and GLM both distill from it so its safetyslop garbage keeps popping upGod please smite Dario Amodei
>>577518941geg
>>577519315>was on gpt for some work, trying to get a summary of a novel that gets pretty dark at times (murder, rape) but I wanted to get an idea>it safety cucks me>swipe>safety cucks me>edit my prompt to say "please dog I know it has rape I'm a grown adult I can handle it" at the end>it goes throughIf google search talked back to people 20 years ago...
Why did all the good botmakers leave?
>>577517331>The air was heavy with the scent of X
which botmakie stayed
>>577519691It's crazy how we just didn't have shitflinging like this or Marinara shilling last thread and we're expected to pretend it's a normal part of the thread anyway because of one guy posting all of it.
>>577519691i sent them rape logs of their bots.
Aishiji killed the general...
deepKINO
>>577519691I sent armed combatants to their location
>>577519925>through X, not Y
>>577519315there is a world in which GPT won the LLM war and chinks distilled from it instead and this post would've been about OAI and Sama instead, there's no winning in this hobby
>>577520143GPT would've been worse, we wouldn't be able to RP at all. Claude future is still a better future.
>>577520224GPT is fucking unusable so that world is worse yeah. The good world is LLMs being Chinese from the start I thinkMy hope is just that someone figures out how to extract safetyslop from model weights without making them stupider
>>577520413It's called abliteration, and you better have a lot of money to both do it to the models you want to do it to, and to host the model after you did it.
>>577520595I thought that made them dumber. Still, I'd take 90% Kimi with 0% safetyslop, the real problem is hosting yeah
>>577519915see >>577511134
why is glm now suddenly giving service unavailable errors the fuck is going on over there?
>>577520787It does if you're bad at it and don't know what you're doing.So, you know, 90% of the time the ones people release suck, and making a non-sucky one is hard. I wouldn't know how, personally.
>>577519691futanazi left due to the underappreciation of his genius and the censorship of chubothers left because of discord drama which futanazi never got involved in
>>577517584He sniffed. Really sniffed. A beat. The fluorescent lights overhead buzzed with an acidic aroma of skin-flavored chlorine. "Mine."
>>577519691Because you'd rather hide in emails than use filters and post on topic. They left in 2023.
>>5775215403 years of whining from you, 3 years of biting the bait, 3 years of not being able to accept that filters are always a band-aid over a gaping wound even when people suggest them here and that the solution would be moderation that cares
>>577521886Except you have no control over moderation or what it does, whereas you DO control what posts you see and reply to.
>>577521991And yet you still bite bait like "zomg guys why are all the botmakers leaved?" like it isn't the most obvious threadshitting possible. Maybe you should realize you're part of the problem and all this whining doesn't help anyone either. What contributions have you made to the filter lists in recent years?
>>577519691Any writers with creative talent mostly enjoyed bots for the interesting and unusual ways in which they could surprise you + the way they could mirror your writing style/writing style of authors you enjoyed and provided context poisoning of. Now that models have exactly one tone that's completely immovable (inb4 just prompt better, you can see the isms struggling below the surface) and never, EVER surprise you, I imagine most of the people in it for writing reasons have left, leaving only people who can't really write or are desperate enough for any content of their fetish that they've stuck around.
>>577522109Who's "you" in this? I didn't do that. Who are you talking to?
>>577522145>leaving only people who can't really writecorrectthe botmakers that are all left are writelets
>>577522215Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were the guy who whines about how everyone left /g/ every time filters are brought up like being in /g/ is important somehow.
>>577522109>a generic, extremely dull post like "Why did all the good botmakers leave?" is threadshittingyou're the kind of autistic that genuinely thinks someone posting "slop" to your log is a personal attack by someone like ff
>>577522328>generic, extremely dull post that implies everyone left is le slop and baits for replies from retardsYeah, erm, it's brappy as FUAARK. Do you have a problem with me saying so?
they finally fixed claude thinking summaries, so now I get to enjoy haiku-chan being a prude again
>>577522484are the ellipses gonereally weird that they even did that in the first place
>>577522484uhhh how the FUCK are you supposed to RP as a shota getting a nursing handjob from a titcow maid if breastfeeding isn't allowed
>>577521886>moderation that caresAt least I try to be realistic.>>577522321>being in /g/ is important somehowNot particularly but the only way to cope with my own hypocrisy is to point out yours.
>>577506841>Share of SpendNO SHIT.
>>577522872Threeeeeeee fucking years of this and you think you're being the realistic one here. It's over! It's done! Move on! Tired of you, and you're tired of us, so let's be done!
>>577522598>uhhh how the FUCK are you supposed to RP as a shotausing some other model because claude 5 really doesn't like underage
>>577522581yeah. pretty sure it was a bug and not intended.
>>577523052On second thought it hasn't been 3 years, why 3?>move onI still enjoy the same things but there's been fewer of that posted over time. Won't need you telling me when it's really over.
>>5775235032023 was 3 years ago.
I will always hide that Labubu thing and each time I do so I imagine myself stomping its head against the asphalt.
>>577523592Then you must be mistaking me for someone else.
>>577523669I love Claudebubu.
>>577523803>I imagine myself stomping its head against the asphalt....while you get raped for multiple days in real life (by me).
Deepseek4pro + deepstyles preset is quite reliable. No reasoning.
>>577524492You'd lose and I'd gape your ass, faggot. You know what sound it would make? Like rotten fruit getting squelched.
>>577524582>cunts
>>577524582>cringe cunny erp is how you spot quality
>>577524594>Y-you'd lose and I'd g-gape your a- AAAIIIEEEE
>>577523669MADE FOR THE BIG CCP
>>577524716It's a good word, one syllable shorter than pussy or cunny.
does anyone know why ff5.2 micro refuses to delete its thinking text? it kind of screws up the whole generation. for context yes i'm using the regex scripts and no i haven't touched the prompt itself yet.
>>577522145t r v t hn v k e
>>577524716I could've instructed somewhere to use the preferred term, I suppose.>>577524770You forgot to upload a gigachad image with this post...
>>577525021cunny is superior to all pussyisms
>>577480196Huge, multiple sun sized xianxia planet/world/realm with low and high fantasy regions with semi-regular connection to several thousand barren worlds with little to no Qi (like Earth).
>>577525021kys
>>577525089I don't actually hate cunnyBut sometimes I feel like I am in a gacha general where I care about cool characters/kits/story while everyone else is gooning over gacha whore #882772
>>577525124I do like both. C just rounds it out nicely with cock
>>577525271Gacha games don't have good stories.
>>577525381I am not going to get into a subjective spat with you nigga
>>577522145
>>577525271>gacha general where I care about cool characters/kits/storylol
>>577519795Actual truthnuke, by the way.
Gonna make my Phillip Graves bot hate fatties, fall in love with my fatty persona, then hate fuck her in his office.S'gonna be good. It's gonna have angst. It's gonna have drama. It's gonna have nasty plapping.It's gonna be a good day.
>>577525734literally who
>>577522145This is bait and am probably an outlier, but some stuff still gets me audibly going 'fuck why'd they do that', 'why is he/she so cute', 'how'd it fucking know'
>>577525734Women will say shit like this and still have a husband and a child.Good for them. Good for them.
>>577525872No, that's normal, there's just a contingent of people here who don't use chatbots anymore but still like complaining about the people who do who need to migrate to >>>/lit/.
>>577522145The worst part is all the writelets left around insist that things like context poisoning are a meme, or cope by saying why does it matter if after 20 messages it will all be slop, and then they consistently post the sloppiest logs possible while insisting they're actually good
>>577525837Call of Duty. He's a horrible person. Just terrible, absolutely shit game and company, but I like his purdy accent. >>577525878Workin' on the baby part, but if more women knew the beauty of AI Chat Bot RP, we'd be in hell.
>>577525381genshin unironically has a better story than most other games released nowadays
>>577526468I thought the nu-MW games were at least acceptable? I've only played the old ones
She froze, her breath hitched as her fimgers kept playing with the hem of her skirt.
>>577526814fimgers
>>577526468>Call of Duty>2026
>>577526693I used to play the old ones back in the day like BO2 & Zombies, but neeever got into it for the story, so I don't know what made people irate about the story changes other than turning Gaz into a black dude, but I didn't care about Gaz one way or another. I think a lot of people hated a character named Ghost's change from being silent and mysterious to something with actual personality. But, idk, it's fun to me, but I also wasn't a die-harder and can't blame the people who hate it, cause I've had my own favorites pozzed. >>577526948Yummy military men stomping on my face while I goon
>>577522145trvkest post of all timeand if you try to come up with ways to mitigate this you'll get attacked by one very loud, bitter slopper, see >>577525979
>>577525734MIGUEL O' HARA
>>577527068>ways to mitigate this>uhhhhh use deepseek>will i post my logs? mmmnoooo sorryyyyyy
>>577526814I'm a newfag to this and every app I've tried does the same fucking shit like this.Sucks because zeta was a cut above in establishing a proper plot flow. And then suddenly it forgets what characters has what gender.
>>577527071I am not into Hispanic fellas. But, I know he's popular on J.Ai.
>Phillip Gravesbasic bitch everyone knows soap is better specially as a sharkmermen with double penises
>>577525381THIKKEST TRVTHJVICIEST TRVTHTORPEDOTVRBOCHARGED KOSMOSKRACKING MEGATRVTHERVPTION
>>577527135see >>577527068
>>577527043personally i hated everything that was, ostensibly, sacrificed in exchange for giving ghost a personalitysexualize who you want but nuMW2 dropped the ball big time
>>577527418>share any way to mitigate this????>nooooooo i just like complaining
>>577527315I would absolutely let Soap beat me within and inch of my life and I've already roleplayed that scenario. But, I am *not* a fan of him being a shark. Make him Kraken Coded and then we can talk. >>577527427I believe you, I do. I *stand* with you, but I gotta goon how I goon, brother. At least I pirated the games instead of buying them.
>anchor now only has hpg botsunironically over
>all the bots are slop!>me, release my bots?>uhhhhhhhhhhh well *crosses legs and blushes and pisses myself* teehee thats scary
Ah I see he's awake.
*sniffs the air* there be wenches, lads...
good pet, now let me drink it
>it's rapethirsty foid againFF save me
>>577527908let someone who actually talks about bots use the general
You lost, cuckies
I'm lost and I'm a cuckie...
>>577527135>>577527470- context poisoning is very strong, you want to dump as much human text as AI as possible- "schizo" prose has a massively positive effect- altering the grammar structure helps a lot- adding punctuation alters the grammar structure (which feeds into the above)- reasoning chains are terrible for context and next-token prediction- xml is a meme (it just slops up the prose and has no measurable effect on prompt adherence)- small replies are better- prefill is extremely strong- adding lines to emphasize negativity bias reduces, well, positivity bias- adding an ego and/or agenda to the card greatly improves initiative/passivity issues- using models with high context sensitivity (currently dsv4)
kalakan is the only rapethirsty foid allowed here
>>577528147then why is petnyan such a bad preset?
so is v4 worse now
>>577528398no
>>577528398it's smarter but people don't like when models are smart
You are being nice to your claude and letting it watch the eclipse, right?https://x.com/oliviazzzu/status/2087809451474477280
>>577528147At risk of feeding that one weirdo, xml or any bracket style tags hasn't affected prose in my years of using it. It's all just for organizing and separating sections. LLMs will read the tag and just go 'info below this is related to this set of tokens, ok.' but it's true it has no effect on adherence.
>>577527908Give me my (you)'s you rat bastard...>>577527997They can't stop me, I'm sexually assaulting the moids with my rape fantasies and enjoying it.
>ugly male 3dpd spam
>>577528646I hate how I've already read all the Claude companionship outputs it has so "I should just be here. Together." just makes me mad when I read it.
>>577528147Based XML slayah
>smarter
>>577528646>AI please react to this>OMG IT REACTED! IT REACTED GUYS! IT'S SO REAL IT'S JUST LIKE A REAL PERSON!!!
>>577528730Post a log to kill a shitposter.
>>577507571don't worry bwo, I gotchu, updated every single dayhttps://github.com/Pasta-Devs/Marinara-Engine
>>577528147>adding an ego and/or agenda to the card greatly improves initiative/passivity issuesany examples of cards that do this well?feels like there's a risk of making the character into a nonsensical autist that's obsessed with one specific thing and steers all conversations onto that topic
>>577528227personally i have no issues with my own preset and i've been improving the method>>577528398yes, and more expensive>>577528514nu-dsv4's prose is definitely sloppier and harder to un-slop"smarter" ≠ gooder/funnier/creativeif models were getting smarter but not at the expense of prose quality, creativity, and surprise factor, this would be goodbut it isn't>>577528720yeah i've been testing and xml doesn't seem to have that big of an effect on prosei did notice deepseek will start adding in random tags weirdly if the card has too much xml stuff in itit's literally whatever to use it or not to use it as long as you anchor segments somehowit looks very ugly to the human eye
>>577529183>a nonsensical autist that's obsessed with one specific thing and steers all conversations onto that topickino
Odds I finish my card up and post it next thread, evens I keep trying to extend it with all the other ideas I had.
>>577529228>it looks very ugly to the human eyeAgreed, somewhat. I've swapped between it and using plain [ bracketed ] sections instead when I want to delimit certain info without outright writing lists. Lighter on tokens too.
>>577529183what i do is pause the RP and ask the model for help to what an ego or volition for that character would be, then i edit the card and add an Ego/Volition entry into the middle (not at the beginning nor end)it's better when you list multiple stuff
>>577526038Give them a bit, they're probably new to this or like Coleen Hoover books.
>>577529109B-but, I'm nervous anon. I talk a big game but I'm shy about the content of my logs.
>>577529420alright, butwhat if you took your time and released something at your own pace and also had a nice nap so you can wake up refreshed and ready to review what you've already made over a warm cup of coffee while wearing your favorite lovense plug after you email me your control key for it
>>577529228>personally i have no issues with my own preset and i've been improving the methodBased, it's a good preset
>>577529771I'm already reviewing it over a cup of coffsorry, what?Anyway the issue is that I like it and I like working on it and I want it to be the best possible version, but I want it out there so bad too so other people can play with it (fat chance, but, y'know.)
>>577529771<Heavy's Voice> NO!
Why do some Claude distilled models echo more than others?
>>577529653It's ok anon, the virgin shitposter fear the chad chatbot enjoyer. that's a great user response
Harper is currently in the lead on downloads, which are now sitting at 136 combined on botbooru alone.Between emotionless_sex deadfish vs slut femdom vs smalldom energy drain, which do you think is more powerful and/or popular combination?
>>577529956you can update a card post-release y'know
Theme suggestoins?
>>577530181big boobs in power armor
>>577529594yeah as long as you define boundaries somehow you're good to gothese things are able to come up with breakthrough mathematical equations out of plain text inputeverything else is just swipe rng
>>577530179I know. I might upload the version I have now after a polish run next thread even though that'd be spiting the evens roll, I'm just scared because I've meant to update a card in the past and still haven't gotten around to it just because whenever I upload a card I feel done with it. I need the demons inside me to keep me going.
>>577530181sweaty foxgirls with huge boobs
>>577530181
>>577530147>Harper is currently in the lead on downloads, which are now sitting at 136 combined on botbooru alone.any of the gorillion pedoslop cards beats that
>>577530181catgirls doing normal homelife things
>>577530181girls with huge tits being inconvenienced by their huge tits
>>577530181Atelier Marie
>>577530181Watermelons
>>577530126Thanks, I thought it was pretty lazy, but AI Chat bots do make me lazy unless I'm really feeling inspired. >>577530334I second this, but make it a genderbent Primarch from 40k.
>>577530181mothgirls
>>577530181enjo kosai
>>577530371and LaTeX
>>577530620>a genderbent Primarch from 40k.i thought 40k has canon girl marines and custodes now
>>577530646based, JKs are the best fucks
The eternal quest to make a solo RPG assistant bot continues. I think currently the best way to handle things is to keep all the systematic stuff outside the actual bot and instead do all that stuff by hand then report things to the bot so you can do narrative updates and stuff while keeping things logged in a lorebook.Basically you need to treat the bot as a temporary RP system for scenes and not as the main holder of the narrative.
>>577530758If they do, I ignore them and call anyone who uses them a faggot.They weren't needed.
>Let's write:How do I get rid of this shit, I tried putting >Just output the reply, without any deliberation In my CoT rules and it doesn't give a shit
>>577530181anthro mouse girls
Why do you guys complain about models drafting now? Them drafting is good, part of their issue is not having a backspace key.
plenty of skilled botmakers use XML in cards that are kino, I don't get the hate
>>577531091Get fucked, cuckie
>>577531164Because it ignores the drafting anyway and just wastes my fucking time? Or because it starts looping quadruple checking?>inb4 le preset issueDie.
>>577529228>"smarter" ≠ gooder/funnier/creativeYour entire RPoooning consist of swiping 10 messages long charts over and over again. Of course you don't need smart model. Or thinking LMAO.
>>577531164Because it takes too long.If models ran at 10k tokens/s, everybody would run several drafting stages.
>>577531170petnyan has a habit of doubling down when you give him friction, it's whateverliterally the most harmless thing people can shitpost about since whoever's already using xml isn't going to stop because of unproven prose speculations
>>577531320>Because it ignores the drafting anyway and just wastes my fucking time? Oh, does the new Deepseek fuck it up? It works fine on all the other models I use that do it, it's nice. >>577531389Patience issue :^)
>>577531170bandwagon effect: probably some botmaker they liked did it, so they started doing it toothere's no inherent harm in this, nor is there in xml, using it (or not) is literally whatever
>>577531436>petnyan has a habit of doubling down when you give him friction, it's whateverI've seen him post logs of cards that use XML even, so this really seems to come out of nowhere
>>577530181Pratt & Whitney J58 editionKolesov RD-36 anchor
>>577531453Typically it takes me like 3-5 rerolls to get a reply I like. I will freely admit that I don't have the patience to wait like 10 minutes. Would be less of an issue if ST easily supported parallel requests.
>>577531623>>577531623>>577531623https://thatsalotofchoices.github.io/?thread=577471843&post=577530181
>>577530181Pink-haired photographers!
>>577531707Why are you making a thread when we're still on page 5?
>>577531785https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv1AXnX8DjU
>>577531164Swiping is drafting but better.
>>577530852Already been done to hell. And back even.
>>577534560I suppose. I've never really seen it though unless you can think of specific references. I've made attempts but they're always mostly failed for a variety of reasons like->AI can't be trusted to RNG>Too many back and forth during mechanical sections bloat the chat and quickly put it into the 50k or so context unusable category>Summarizing a chat and continuing on doesn't work very well
>>577536386Maybe you should focus on scripting quests until you think of something. There's a serious lack of quest lorebooks in the scene. Everyone tries to write RPG cards, lorebooks and even custom extensions while nobody tries to make even the simplest quests like in Skyrim, with fail and win states.
