Main website: https://relink.granbluefantasy.jp/enWiki: https://relink.gbf.wiki/>FAQsBase game FAQ: https://rentry.org/RelinkFAQER DMG rundown: https://rentry.co/ytczavom>Patch 2.0.3 detailshttps://relink-ragnarok.granbluefantasy.com/en/updates/392/>Send your feedback herehttps://relink.granbluefantasy.jp/en/app/feedbackPrevious Thread: >>577196825
>>577806270Host it
>>577809172CUTE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2CURHAs5hs>sandy does shit damage >all his master traits feel awful to play did they overnerf him?
>>577809172Cute Box
>>577810092I disagree with this guy's vid because even if sandy isn't in the top 5 his damage ceiling is still in the top 50%. Weird that it's supposed to be a guide but every section is just complaining about the character.
>>577811269he talks like the character has been ruined and the whole point is to salvage a working build i can't really judge the veracity of his claims because I rarely run into sandy in the wild
>>577810092Having picked him up recently and never having played him in base game, I think insight Sandalphon feels great to play and probably the best balanced character in the game currently. Tons of valuable tools, gameplay involves using the whole kit instead of focusing on one overwhelmingly good button, has a bunch of perks that feel like dev favorite pandering but it's all still in the "good, not great" bucket so it doesn't feel offensive, still strong enough that semi-competent piloting places well in both honors and parses.Essence and crux both seem like they bring nothing to the table so if he skipped insight (I'm not clicking that) maybe there's some merit there.
>a wild lancelot in beelz fight>beelz goes into OD>lancelot freezes him for 10s>beelz skips the entire OD sequence>he does that again in the 2nd halfw-what
>>577812293I think I've sent that Lancelot eithrr a chad who knows his mechanics or copying from the Bubs speedrun video
>>577810092He is fine, people actually have to play the character now
>>577811602I play sandy quite a bit and while I will say his mastery trees are a pain in the ass and don't give him powerful tools, it's because his base kit is so powerful to begin with. At a baseline, no matter what you get infinite wings during Link Time and therefore Zohar Strike (wings finisher that normally ends wings mode) spam, which is his most powerful single hit.And yeah, personally I think Insight is his most practical mastery. To me, it solves the issue with many mode-charge characters where the boss will suddenly become un-targetable and your mode goes to waste. In this mastery your wings cycle becomes 2x faster (both in terms of gaining and ending) so if the boss leaves you just end the wings mode immediately and you can recharge the mode by the time most attack patterns end. If you're considering picking up Sandalphon I strongely recommend it.
>just at the point I need to do sigil synthesis for eternity to get the right combinations for my Zeta so she can not be a literal weight dragging everyone down>don't want to cheese it but don't want to stare at 95% failuresThis sucks.
>>577812493middle ground solution is getting the gbfr logs tool because it has a synthesis predictor tool, literally reads the RNG seed and tells you what combos are likely to succeedI try not to overuse it because I'm swimming in siero tix anyway, but if I do it now & then if I want to build a chara pronto
>>577812493yeah like anon said just use the predictor since its "technically" not cheating
Is it possible to synth sigils so I have the same trait twice?For example, (Stun + DMG Cap) + (Stun + Health) to end up getting (Stun + Stun)?
Ive had my cag on alchemedic the whole time, but as ai is that actually the best thing she can be doing
>>577813296Yes.
>>577813470Probably. The AI's awful at doing damage with her regardless, might as well buff the other three more.
>>577812192nvm, that video is by the same guy who recommended combo finisher for Pigfried. what a waste of time.
Can you guys stop being dead? I was saving so much art you posted
>>577815645Im sorry I stopped posting after getting bullied over the vermillion thing...
>>577815521>recommended combo finisher for PigfriedAin't no way
>>577815957smoochdon't let it get to you
Do you guys think they'll add anything significant to ER at this point? They has talked about adding costumes but we're over a month from release and player counts have dropped significantly. I don't think only costumes will bring anyone back.
>>577817150The evil idea someone put in my head was a versusia content drop akin to lucilius next month to coincide with Id in rising.Would be the coolest themed DLC drop possible.
>>577817150I still think we're getting a Grand Order fight since hers are like the only big songs missing, or they really don't want anything Zoi
>>577817707>they really don't want anything ZoiZooey is seemingly still popular in the west even if she lost relevancy in Japan. I see her brought up on here and on forums still wishing for her in Relink, and I've wanted her since day one in 2016. I find it very funny we have so many Sword characters and not a single one that uses a shield
>>577817951I know they purposefully did the roster to avoid as much cross on the "tier 2" characters as possible. Hence Metera getting axed for Tweyen.
anyone wanna help me to unlock more quests? I'm at 3500 power and I am doing 3200 quests session: : 247B U95S DVOY W53P
>>577818180You still around?
>>577819417it's full
>>577819628Ah, all good. At least you found 3 other dorks to carry you.
>>577819686shut up withered old crone. your ovaries deactivated a long time ago.
so if someone drew Charlotta slonking a fat doink would you call that a baked potato
>>5778196863 empty spots now
>>577819980On my way
>>577819980Gonna need a new code
>>577819889nice joke!*applause*
>>577820168it's still the same
>>577820334Looks like a 0 instead of O on the DV0P my friend
>>577820334like that anon said but still can't join your lyobbytry rehost?
>>577820540It filled up
>>577820613>>577818180>"I'm at 3500 power and I am doing 3200 quests">everyone at least mastery level 30damn, you guys carried him fast
>>577821568I think he meant 3200 power too but he probably meant 32k.I was going to just take it easy with Song but I guess I'm playing my main.
>>577817150I still think they have bigger plans for Relink, whether it be continued updates in the form of ER style DLC or Relink 2. There's a reason why they actually made a youtube channel for it titled "Granblue Fantasy: Relink: Official Channel" instead of having Endless Ragnarok in there.
>>577820334I'm retarded and just realised I forgot to re-equip my skill cap summons after AFKing for ages
HP Maxxing with Maggie :}
>>577818180Was I the only one that just disconnected or was it everyone else too?
>>577824087time to rework your sigils
Any Fediel builds I could use?
>>577824714just you I'm finished for today. you can add me on steam if you want to play together in the future.
>>577825147All good, thanks for games.Pop me an invite you want then, I'm generally too busy or preoccupied with things to ask or think of asking.Hopefully I stay not-rusty enough to not eat the floor like any good Naru player in future.
>>577825068>heh>over 1k more HPHumble thyself.
so i tried eustace for a change.is that really his entire gameplan, should 5 times then reload? and when he shot enough he gets to shoot harder for one magazine?
So someone give me the run-down on how to play Beatrix and Fraux. The clock shit on Beato confuses the fuck out of me, same with Fraux's two stances.
>>577825620yep. shotgun makes him shoot more, perfectionist adds an entire new mechanic where charge shot sliding into attacks with its iframes gives you stacks so you can shoot really hard but you lose all stacks if you get hit at all
>play against Lucilius with other anon. >my mouse broke for some reason at the start of Lucilius' boss fight>couldn't do anything besides dodging and use skillswoah, I didn't know Lucilius had the ability to destroy your mouse.
>>577829132Your mouse is over, retard
>Delete every utility/QoL skill off my afk buffslut Cog to make room for every Celestial DPS skill and the shitty HP cap up slots>Swap from the Phantasmagoria tree to the rock spam DPS tree>Go from doing like 25% of Fediel's damage to still doing only 50%ish at bestNyo...it's hopeless...
>open booru because bored>wait, lets see how much relink only chars gets>mag 53>id 20>gallanza 4>lilith 11>lolan 6despite how much people want to bang mag and tsuda voicing id are relink only chars really that unpopular?
>>577825620You need to dodge attacks with a charged slide for a free stack and abuse the counter since it has extremely low CD. Once you have your full mag of load IV bullets, IF YOU DONT RELOAD, you can chain special reloads for more full mag of load IV bullets.>get 3 stacks>reload to get your full blueberry shots>shoot 5>DONT RELOAD NOR SHOOT A SIXTH TIME>use your counter to get a full blue magazine again>shoot 5>DONT RELOAD NOR SHOOT A SIXTH TIME>use "Playing With Fire" to get a full blue magazine again>shoot 5>DONT RELOAD NOR SHOOT A SIXTH TIME>either now or a reload before, the enemy was to being stunned, fish a for Link attack get a full blue magazine again>shoot 5>DONT RELOAD NOR SHOOT A SIXTH TIME>you counter has low CD, always keep an eye on it, its your actual bets way to keep the momentum goingSBA chains suck in this playstyle
Is this good?Do I have to unlock her now?
>>577831836bruh Granblue in general is lucky of getting art now a days
>>577838043Its good but "Awakening+" are unique and "assured" transmute results, also some character prefer to opt out of one of those unique skills and go unique+normal trait. Youll eventually get Awakening+ sigils for all characters before coming across an actual Warpath+Good secondary Trait, which has more value.
I'm at 26k power right now after 55 hours. What sigils do I want?
Are lower level quests just dead in matchmaking or does the matchmaking just suck?It would make sense that no one does that stuff any more but not sure if i am doing something wrong.
>>577841372Nah your bots clear that shit without you doing anything in seconds so nobody wastes time with the dogshit queue mechanic
>>577841372yes everything except defy infinity is pretty much dead.
>>577825620On essence he's more like a high risk high reward sticky nade Eugen>hold Heaven Comes Down for as long as you can to apply marks, release early if the finisher would otherwise miss>pop the marks with Flamek Thunder for fat damage and a cooldown reset for both skills>fill gaps with normal shot+reload loop and other skills whenever you can't safely land that gameplan, or after you fucked up and have to wait 2+ minutes for cooldowns to end
who should i master 55 next? i'm done with my basegame favorites except Id and Charlotta whom I'm working at rn.
>>577846253Rosetta nobody plays Rosetta
>>577846505i'm done with rosetta. my second fave after ferry desu.
>>577831836I think Id is a good character, obviously the voice is 90% of it, and his gameplay is nice, but I do wish his look was a bit cooler. I think his face and hair should be a bit more gruff.
>>577843071Yeah that's fair have not had an issue with anything it's just nicer to play with people.>>577844829Cheers won't worry about queuing then
>>577846253Zeta>EugenFavorite style for him? He's one of the few characters I haven't played in the DLC yet. I assume his best option is still spamming guard/dodge cancel grenades and crux seems like it enables that best.
>>577847256He's fine, anything more than that and he'd look too much like Cloud.
>>577850680never played Zeta so i definitely have to learn it. just checked and i only jave the terminus and first weapon crafted lmao.for Eugen i did go grenade yup not sure about the dodge cancel or how it work but basically i throw it at him and once i have 3 i either use the 2 skills that can activate them or run and punch. alternatively i do sniper mode and throw the grenades near the enemy's legs
>>577847256He should be the main character of Relink 2 with a bigger singleplayer mode where we can actually fly the air ship between islands and recruit our own crew
>>577850730but he is deadweight...
>>577841372Sadly the game has a really tight cycle where you have to be in the window of gamers before all the autists that normally carry a game like this fuck off to solo queue.It makes it difficult because you get left with shitters at my tier who can carry their own weight barely and nothing more, leading to lobbies barely clearing with S ranks or, god forbid, A ranks.I think the black quests will still be relatively full for a long time but everything else quickly fell off because it's not the top of the current content/
>>577851734In base game all grenades were equal, so you had the fastest rate of fire by mashing non-sticky nades and canceling the animation with either guard (if still close or against a wall) or dodge (to reposition). Seems like only the sticky nades are good in Endless Ragnarok however, so sniper vision it is.
Is transmuting the only way to get warpath+ sigils?
>>577857985yep
So whats the to go Charlotta? Insight?
How dead are we bros
>>577859678whatever one buffs the invincibility skill, but you only take up to the second rank of it, don't take the third one that makes invincibility give you atk up and extend the timer
I finally beat the bastard infinity omnis... Its finally over...
I want to make a Siegfried build, is the counter build viable in Infinity?
>>577861908It's viable only if you're in a party kf people who won't actively go out of their way to get hit by stuff to abuse your sub.Bringing it into pubs is suicide.
>>577862264What if I mainly play with bots? Also are his sigils any good?
>>577862390I remember someone saying that the bots will get you killed if you have Substitute and they have Stout Heart active, since they won't bother trying to dodge anything. So if you have a Stout Heart summon I would unequip it if you wanna use that build.I have all of his character sigils equipped on mine. He has one of the strongest Warpath sigils in the game, but it lowers his defense. One of his other charwcter sigils gives him some of that defense back so it balances out, and the last one decreases skill CDs. Dunno how effective the last one is but I've had no issues with it so far.
>>577859682Maglielle is so cute I want to give her a big smooch
When's the best moment to use your recruitment tickets? I want them as closed to being maxxed out as possible
anyone lobbyin
>>577841372If you make a room for DLC progression and slap it with the newcutie needing smooches and help tag it can still fill up pretty quickly, I usually pop into these when I'm bored of slapping Hexa and usually other endgame dudes will show up to DPS race each other or fuck around with stuff like tank danchouPre-DLC may be more dead, but you probably don't want current players in those missions anyway, pretty sure even if we strip gear we'll still one-tap everything
>>577866716Im pretty sure its when you get the fediel ticket and they will all come at mastery level 20
>>577847256I wish he just turned into a proper fucking dragon The giant bulky body and then his tiny human face on top looks goofy as hell
>>577866850Host it
>>577867389His concept art has him with Proto Baha's head, and it fits so much better
>>577857435i didn't know that. i just run and throw with lots of rolling and it looks ridiculous desu Eugen with his kingdom hearts pants rolling around throwing grenades lolhttps://youtu.be/BT3cTG9TCvw?si=A_Ek5FQnR7TmaGUG
>>577869340Aira...
>>577870118za....
>>577869176Interesting, got a link? Tried looking around for a bit, but only concept art I was able to find was for Folca/environmental stuff and DJ's innerwear
>>577870802I could've sworn I saw it on Twitter but I can't find the post for the life of me :{I'll post it here if I can somehow remember where it was.
>>577870802I've got this, but I don't have the concept art for boss Lilith that was also shown and was interested in seeing that again too.
>>577874554That's the one.And if I recall, Lilith was supposed to have a second form that looks like Luci's blue form (but purple)
>>577874554Is this bahamut achievable levels of natty?
>>577874554ts looks retarded
I read somewhere the Fatebreaker sigil worked for Fatebreaker quests and lower (Zegagrande Legend and lower). Is this bullshit?Also, is that sigil worth it? I can see myself forgetting I have it constantly...
>>577875054Yes and yes
Im really disappointed by the amount of power increase given by max transcended terminus from ascension, I thought it would be a bigger jump but now I realize Im just shit
Lobby?
>>577874872>t. Tiny head bara Id enjoyer
>>577879120the concept art is way more bara coded and STILL has a tiny head what are you on about
are DIFFERENT sources of defense multiplicative or additive? for example if I have the 6x5=30% def sigil count trait and max HP stronghold, am I defmaxximg additively or getting cucked multiplicatively? what about different sigil sources? like I trigger a nimble defense while having stronghold max HP.
>>577816079youtubers be like that analytics first, accuracy never
>>577880079See >>577661568, nta but I play Nyx Io so 70% Garrison is a regular factor in my runs.
>>577881597>Def stacks multiplicatively with other def sources, except for when it doesn't.what a stupid game. are there any known additive exceptions other than the ones listed by that guy?
Just unlocked summons. Do the traits come into effect at the start of the battle or after I summon the... summon?
>>577882775They are always active, if you play solo with bots they are affect the whole party
>>577882304None that I know of, the main factor would be if your character has additional def masteries for that additive bucket, like pet Ferry.
>>577882871cool, ty
I need help to farm materials to enhance my weapon.I'm at 3700Session ID: 5X3S 57W2 04P9 9YVD
>>577866716I've collected so many gold books from doing quests and Infinity that I don't think it's that important. By the time I started playing with my other characters, they were all already at max level.
>>577883780I can join in 30 mins if you're not already full
>>577883780
>>577884573well the more important part is that you skip a lot of msp farming
>glass cannondo people really run this on their terminus weapons? you're one fuckup away from losing whatever pitiful damage advantage you get from running this trait.
should I be running quick charge on Id even if Im using godmight
>>577886197Usable on shield characters, trolling otherwise.
>>577886197normally its a dogshit trait because 50% cap is a joke considering the downside and everyone overcaps but its mandatory for dot builds because you need every single +atk sources to anywhere close to golden 666k atk
>>577886742It's his strongest tool, apparently so you want to hit it no matter what, even if that means equipping a double-quickcharge sigil.
笨外国人,你必须用那个骄傲的中国龙女才能发挥最佳!
>>577887005isn't it trolling both ways? most shields in this game are in tiny amounts. I don't think 1k shield from perfect dodge is enough to block even one attack.
>>577887998You need def investment on top of shield stacking to make it work, that mastery by itself is a joke.FoF shield Maggie might also be able to use it.GC on Terminus is something you slap on a shield build, not the other way around since the gain is not worth the investment if making GC work is all you're after.
Am supposed to spam the spin lunge with this?
>>577886197Only worth on DoT builds, and preferably alongside at least one of Potent Greens or Flight over Fight.Even on a 1hp shield build I'd rather run Guard Payback, bigger influence on (non-OD) damage and stun.
does everyone just run drain on their terminus
>>577890848nimble
>>577890848That or Guard Payback or Nimble Defenseor Tyranny/Glass Cannon on DoTor Quick Charge on Percy
is there any reason to run double Firm Stance are there any fights that benefit from movement impairment immunity no, Luci's homo puddle is an actual Slow debuff and not a movement impairment
>>577894810One is more than plenty, it's already like -70%.I've never had a run and thought I wanted more Firm Stance.
>>577890848I run nimble defense since 5/6s of dodge invuln is insane value.
>>577895226I was looking at the master trait that amplifies debuffs on you but you get more ATK and DMG cap in exchange. if there are any actual movement debuff effects that I'm completely forgetting about, I was wondering it might be an optional pickup for builds that still wanna keep the +DEF per sigil trait. like maybe a normal attack centric character that doesn't care for QC could pick up a second FS instead.
>>577895885The only concern is, during our proto baha runs, one anon literally couldn't outrun the supernova suck. Very comical.
>>577896348He probably had the debuff EX trait
Hey, Relinkers, how does it relink?
>>577897617*cough**wheeze*never been better....
>>577897617>>577897706
>>577897617Punching Bubz like usual
Is there a general list of master traits that the CPU work best with?
>>577897617stuck in trying new char and dropping them in 2 days because of my skill issue cycle
please tell me there's a list of skill cooldown and duration values uploaded somewhere this game can't possibly be this opaque and stupid
>>577905890>this game can't possibly be this opaque and stupid
>>577906168Starting to think Extra Record might break Relinks development hell time
>>577906467Is Extra Record even still in development? Last I heard Bamco dropped it.
>>577906642Officially it's still in development and not cancelled, but who knows lol, not single mention of it since the bamco news and they just had the big fesHow do you even go from "We're pretty much done only some voice recording left" to "We fucked up so bad our publisher peaced out"
>>577905890oh hey i was complaining about this a few threads ago
>>577906168>>577907154what the fuck dude this was never datamined? nobody complained at the devs for this?
>>577906642>Last I heard Bamco dropped it.Not surprised. Bamco is dying.
>>577907813This is the same game that has "DMG Dealt" as a term specifically used for attack boosts that go beyond the damage cap, and yet also use that term for generic shit like Combo Finisher DMG, leading to silly shit like >>577815521 happening.
>>577897617Contemplating SuicId!Going through Proud and the like before I buy the DLC, are Sigils really all about this suffering? Can't even level the Traits?Hard to believe two years have gone.
oh my............
>>577905292I'm having similar issue where I keep dying when I am playing non-ranged characters
>>577911257Grab all these econ ones asap, yeah. It makes a difference of 1-2 total blessings over time, and some breathing room for resets at the end if you want.
>>577815521Lol and then he doubled down in the comments about it. Until someone made him triple check and he finally realized he can fucking turn on dmg cap display and saw he wasn't even close to hitting it somehow.
improved dodge has become a default must-have that I can't even dodge without it the timings are too tight and basically impossible to do online I took it off as a practice for trying out Untouchable and holy this is cancerous
G-go on... without me... *coughs blood* *fucking dies*
>>577936724its time to host it
the good: i guess people have leveled their main fotm characters and moving on to lesser used ones. seeing some Ghanda here and there lately. i finally get to hear his SBA interaction with other characters, some of which are genuinely funny >Ghanda: Devil lass! >Fraux: What did you just call me? the bad: oh my god everyone is fucking terrible at Ghanda and he is no longer the "this dude knows his shit" signifier
>>577938548i hope you got permission for using that image bruv.
>>577934058i am going to ruin multiple people's day by queueing up without improved dodge it takes practice to get better, right? i'm practicing dodging without improved dodge under high latency conditions.
>>577936724Random cheaters helped me to clear this S+++
>more than a month into release >no updated build calculators available this shit's dead, isn't it
>>577941984Man I started playing recently and there's barely any decent wiki or info available imoUnironically the game's wish list is a godsent
>>577934058ER gives you so much HP, defence, damage negation and Iframe that it became the opposite for me. Its up there with autorevive on comfort options that i can do without.
>>577938548Its all percy now on my experience.
>>577942904>fucks up your dodge timing with randomly delayed sword swings >wastes your revive pots on rng your fate is over, retard
>>577943251The big ass dual swords swing? I just jump them
>>577944629what about the vertical strike out of nowhere? you have to dodge that
>>577941984The old calc updated for half the characters, but since damage caps are formulaic instead of arbitrary now, there isn't much need for one. It's not like base game where you'd have some random hit with a sky high cap you'd never reach without a specialized build.
>>577941984You literally don't need a damage calculator anymore, that shit's built-in now
>>577947885>doesn't show a tally of dmg caps >doesn't show a tally of def or atk WHAT is built-in now? annoyance? that sure is built in for sure, not sure about the others.
what exactly is the shield mechanic? I've read conflicting opinions about how it absorbs full hit regardless of shield amount vs passing on leftover damage to HP. I've even read about how it prevents debuffs, which is verifiable bullshit.
>>577945451Forgot to what its a follow up but its not random and can be jumped too.
Bump
>>577948905Its prevents flinching like Stout Heart but not debuffs
Do you think theyll add any new fights with the update? I wont get my hopes up but i can still cope
>>577949070I could give you my account credentials because I only use it to access the other version of the site every once in a while
>>577949460No, I need someone to ask something on their forum.
>>577949679Give me a link to the exact thread and a message to copy-paste
>>577949321New quests? YesNew enemies? No
>>577949779Sorry had to get some food. https://pastebin.com/LMmsnXcj
>>577952174Posted, let me know if you'll need me to reply to something
>>577953389Thanks bro. I don't think that'll be needed.
>tfw simply running Cascade + QCD on the shield build feels way better than using the skill buildFix skill build, and fix Bladequeen's Serenade.
Bros I rented a Lancelot and he's just slashing at the air
morality scaling of making multiple crab sigils so you dont have to swap loadouts constantly
>>577965468They need to make an Immortal Shell summon
>>577965468Probably higher than "making multiple crab sigils so you can join with a full set of crab dupes and call yourself The Crab Man."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eOcPhIk1Gwnew kino just dropped
>>577967331janny behead this nigga
>>577967331janny kiss this nigga
>>577967331The world music sync timing was pretty neat
>>577967331trvke
>playing like shit on Id>hit link time or sba chain and mash ffv>top damage anyway
>>577973158This but with Shadow Id
whats the infinity to farm for berserker echo drops
>>577978332Lucilius the Homo
>>577978926please god no I barely beat him the first time
>>577978332Just AFK farm Chaos++ Luci. The rates on the summon drops there are near identical to the Infinity fight.It also makes a good MSP farm because you can trade his flowers for grapes.
>>577979461but does chaos++ drop summons that go up to 100% cap
>>577979559Yes. Luci, Bubs, Rolan and Lilith summons have the same chances to roll those values regardless of what difficulty they drop from.I got this from Chaos++ Bubs last week.And yes, I'm still mad about it.
>>577979195Well you know what that means right?
>>577979994wew lad
>>577980014w-what does that mean
>>577979994I want that for Maggie so my shield doesn't pop instantly if I'm early on a perfect guard
>>577980263
>>577980452Does it actually work for shield Maggie? I just assumed that any non-perfect guard was an instant break.
>>577982629Shield only breaks when you take damage, and you don't take damage from regular guards unless your guard breaks.
Is Sandalphon actually bad now, or are people just exaggerating because he's no longer the top dog?I ask this because every Sandy I've come across is either a complete shitter or MVP with absolutely no in-between.
>>577989328he seems just mediocre to me
>>577989328He's a middle-of-the-road character with a really good link time
>>577989328The only ones complaining are people who used him on the base game when he was broken as fuck and now too lazy too build Fediel to carreid again
Holy shit this game is still up?
>Finally watch those Relink gameplay vids that get shilled here>Apparently some Discord DPS Cag in the vid can shit out 70-80mil Infinity honors like a Fediel>Can't tell what they're actually doing because the vid is super over-editedIs there some secret Cog tech here or is this just 400% normal cap up summon god rolls or something?I know Cog can constantly bounce around and dodge cancel everything in the string, not just the combo finishers, but I can't imagine that straight-up doubles DPS, that just seems more like training dummy 400m vs 450m tech at best
>>577998162am pretty sure the "best" at X character hang on the official discord and post their breakdowns there.
i just realized why isn't there a lilith fight in the quest board?or an angra mainyu in chaos
>>577998162Are you using the beyblades and hammers?
How good is bot Tweyen at keeping Dots up? Would personal Tweyen plus a rented one be able to AFK infinity bubz?
>>577999785I'm expecting a "surprise she's still alive" fight either against her boss concept form (unlikely) or recycled Angra Mainyu (more likely). Her summon drop rate being so uniquely horrid and outright nonexistent in C++ feels suspicious.
Fuck the parser DB. Relink parser DB and its consequences will be disastrous for pubs going forward and we all know why. The average player is terrible. The average player who's in Infinity are slightly less terrible but they fall in the "knows just enough to be dangerous to others" category. The latter category knows that parsers exist. And more importantly, they know that organized groups exist and regularly upload parser data to the site. But they're too stupid to realize that organized group builds are terrible for pick-up quests. The average Infinity player is going to copy builds straight off of the top parses without giving an ounce of thought to it. They are plainly ignorant of the fact that ALL of the top builds only function in conjunction with other characters in the party. They'll look at hyper fragile builds with Debuff EX and Glass Cannon doing top DPS and think to themselves: "I can do that DPS too if i just copy that build." And it's already happening. You've no doubt seen a facetanker with Celestial Terra at 100k HP ruining your runs. The very builds meant for feeding +DMG stacks to subs danchou are being brought out into pubs solo by these colossal retards. Fuck the parsertards. Fuck that website. It will be the end of pub lobbies as we know it in the worst way possible. Screencap this post, I know I'm 100% right.
>>578000437i hope so. i like angra's design and lilith.i read from here that she's supposed to have a lucilius form and i want that
>>578000218The bigger issue is Archenemy. Even one Song means you need to manually contribute to reliably pass the stun checks.
>>578000950don't use my husband to shitpost
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeX9f4tE5c4does every fediel run 45 uplift? even when I'm using Ferry with 30 uplift they are always miles ahead.
>>578001564I've seen it recommended for feddie builds but why would you actually want that much uplift with randoms, if the one in this video has it then it makes sense because they are doing an obvious party setup with it planned out beforehand, but running it in pubs seems a bit weird, are you supposed to just spam out sbas even outside chains in pubs?
>was hyped for Endless Ragnarok expansion-- especially for Maggie>it finally comes out>Maggie is a lame support that kills you with a thousand cuts instead of giant floating sword cleaves or the type of floating sword movies Luci does in a circular radius around himself>my girl Charlotta basically got a copy-paste of Yoda's mastery trees and no meaningful updates to her gameplay whatsoever>kinda depressing but I power through to the content and clear all of it >but now I feel like I have no reason to keep playing until the next content update cause the one character I wanted ende up so underwhelming and Charlotta basically got nothing new to play withGuess I am done with Relink for the time being bwos
>>577999921Alternating spears and hammers for small enemies, spears + scissors for warpath proc on big enemiesI know spears on big dudes was recommended on base game, I haven't really found any clear info on whether that's still true on fat fucks like Baha or Hexa currently >BeybladesAre they still good in ER? From what I've seen they've been dropped entirely in most dummy vids
>>578000950the average infinity player can't even read which color dragon to hit so there's no way they can read a parser website
>>577999785Lilith aside, nobody want an another angra mainyuThat fight is dogshit, same goes for excavallion
I still haven't broken into Infinity because it seems like a big grindI feel like I'm missing out
>>578005538stop making fun of me
>>578006470You should host the lobby and have fun with usI'm not joining since I'm working
someone needs to make a mod where you can repeat abandoned quests so I can repeat immediately after missing the first quickening
is Iron Maiden bugged? the description says roses attack when Rosetta attacks while skill is active. I can clearly see that, but I don't see the roses leveling up from these extra attacks. if this is intended then Iron Maiden is functionally useless
>>577948164Literally just go to barrold and hit him.If the number is over 100%, you can ease up on some offense/add more damage cap.If it's under, do the inverse.This isn't hard.Though the multipliers are still funny, I do Zeta SBA and the first hit is 50% damage cap while the second and third are 90%Why would I optimize that shit?
>>578004910try new characters?
>>578009529I did. I didn't like them.
trais for Siete? i saw one with the Infinito Creare build and he didnt seem to do much, no idea what the other one did but the fucker actually brought Seven Star's Brilliance and actually got to use it at least,it was still a horribly slow Hexa run but that shit was kinda funny at least
>>578004910Maggie is fun though, and she's not even that much of a support. Essence Mastery would give you more of the vibe you're looking for with constant Mjölnir procs and whatnot...but the build is pretty clunky in practice.
>>578011409I wanted some shit like pic related and got handed a paper cut factory (visual-wise). I don't give a shit about the numbers.
>>578010517Ive seen mediocre Sietes do ok with Sword Tempest but the best Siete i know uses Fueling the Avatar
>>578004910the fact that they memoryhole potato's pre warpath gameplay instead of making a trait dedicated to that playstyle is retarded, its not like its impossible to do too>rank 2 massively buffs her numbers but disables warpath effect (still keeps +10% dps part)>rank 3 introduces buff stack that makes pizza cutter as strong as pre dlc nerfkeep trying different chars anon if you don't like the new chars you can try old chars instead. never bothered with narumea pre dlc but dlc changes makes me semi main her
>>578014264isnt Essence her pizza cutter style but it takes like fucking forever to get going?
>>578014264They could have made her pizza cutter be something like that hammer girl from PGR where you hold the button and the spin gradually speeds up and lands more hits but takes longer to reach the ground. We already see this principle in the giant lizard spin attack summon technically. But no we get Yoda copy-paste and I can't be arsed with the others.
On a side quest, what is the difference between "Rewards" and "Drop items"?Do their drop rate depend on the "Side goals"?
>>578017128Rewards will just happen.Drop items are from breaking parts of the boss.Side goals will give guaranteed items for fulfilling them.
HP Maxxxing with Maggie :}
>>578014461that one is more like X spam that forces you to parry with pizza cutter to make X spam do any damagethe trait desc states normal attack instead of finishers
hag bros... what have they done to our flower girl she fucking sucks now and her link time "advantage" is literally catching up to the middle of the pack after lagging behind the whole fight
>>578025736i thought she always sucked, the gap is just even more apparent now?Though i find it kinda upsetting that they gave everyone 3 lines for master traits but apparently not one of them could salvage her.
>>578026323literally all of her problems boil down to roses having pathetic range it was apparent even for "static" bosses like luci so this is not a new issue cygay simply chose to tune the numbers against barrold
A lot of assumptions
>>578023790i assumed so since it says X attacks
>>577998796why must everything be discord only
>>578010517All three are good when they work. Insight > Essence > Crux is a sliding scale of normal > gimmick.>InsightPretty standard character. Summon avatar, attack, dump finisher when gauge is full, repeat. Has a Forever Ares gimmick but it's more practical to leverage his warpath.>EssenceHolds Infinito Creare until both gauges are full then blows his load. Ideally when the boss isn't moving, you lose a lot of damage constantly recasting since it doesn't track and the AoE is decent but not great.>CruxExtreme gold clock bea; your buff takes eight alternating finishers on a fairly tight timer, but if you somehow manage to pull it off without bloodthirst interrupting you're the best character in the game until the gauges run out. Dogshit in a number of fights, essentially griefing to play online, fun to mess with solo.
>>578059041Essence is fun, but it feels like AIDs to get going in normal play for higher tier bosses with how much they schizo out and how slow the gauges build.
I hope they release the patch soon I want to play but I'm trying not to burn out by playing too much
Hey so what's the best way for farm L fortitude crystals? I feel like spamming roost & reign works best for me cause it gives 30-35 in minute long runs.
>>578063715roost & reign was the original fortitude crystal level, but now, at least at your level, it'll probably be "Gulp...so these are the rumored monsters" It's a set time 'kill as many monsters' level, but there's the benefit of not having to manually go to the monsters every time.
>>578058345fraux is so hot... i wish i was her
>>578068646>spoiler
>>578059041>essentially griefing to play onlineCame across one perma slowing bubz when he had the chance. He did no damage and indeed griffed me, was playing counter zeta, but was fun seeing it.
I'm reading a guide on my character and it looks like it wants some specific traits on my summons. Now I'm only just starting with summons, do they come with a "pool" of possible traits, or is it all RNG? For example if I wanted a summon with War Elemental, what should I do?
>>578074549https://nenkai.github.io/relink-modding/resources/summon_trait_chances/CTRL+F war elemental and you farm those
>>578075152oh my god that's grim lmaoThank you for the resource
>>578075595Fully optimized summons are a super-endgame thing, for most of the time you'll just be making do with what you get.Those ones are the end goal since you can't transmute them to the back, so having them is better for freeing up space on your actual sigil slots.
>>578074549since it will be a while before you have access to stuff like berserker echo and war elemental, you should just use stuff thats universally good like uplift, supplementary damage or aegis/greater aegis in the meantime
>>578060729It typically makes up for its deficiencies during link time/SBA at least. I'd guess insight and essence are probably about equal at endgame, but I don't find the gauge management interesting and think insight just feels better to play once the swordspam novelty wears off.
>>578078990To add to this, everybody gets a Rolan for free with Supp DMG Lv. 11 and NA cap +45%. While it's not the most ideal summon I recommend anyone who doesn't have a full set of the staple summon skills to just use that Rolan for the time being.
Can you synthetize a "War Elemental+" sigil? I can't find it in the synthesis menu
>>578083628Nope, which is why War Elemental (and Berserker/Spartan Echo) on summon is a popular choice.
I saw someone summon Cyaegha during link time to try and phase skip with glaciate, but it got overwritten instantly with para and SBA. It got me wondering if there's any fun low cost utility summons other than Cat, I know Managarmr Nihilla's got a long stun res down + glaciate combo but it's still 3 cost.
>>578092116Wheel of Fortune is a good summon if you play Maggie or an enmity character who wants shields all the time.Albacore is a very strong and funny summon but the only skill it has is Path to Mastery.
>>578092620according to the nenkai summon datamine resource albacore III can have natural defenses on it which is pretty good, but an 8% chance roll on it dropping presumably only from the random conflux spawns... good luck with that shit
>>578093216Is there a reason you'd ever want Natural Defenses over the quest handout Potent Greens + Supp Damage sigil?
>>578093376probably not if you're fine with just potioning debuffs off, but I like being immune to stuff if you absolutely need to avoid it like skill seal on certain characters and atk down in bubs/luci, you also get the 30% firm stance which is just nice and it lowers damage and timers on all debuffs besides that, but overall potent greens is probably better for an on demand cleanse of the more important stuff
I am at peace
>>578092116Actually it was Nazarbonju, didn't realize there were two different glaciate eyeballs. Takes awhile to do anything, but it locks The World down for 10 seconds even if you master trait it down to 1 cost. Godawful drop rate though.
Captain, Narmaya or Lancelot
>>578092116call true believers the moment anyone goes down whatsoever, regardless of autoreviveit's about sending a message
Do you generally need damage skills like tyranny in endgame builds or do you completely forgo them? Trying to get flat HP and stun power sigils but wondering what to mix them with, mainly damage cap and supp and things like that I assumeTrying to prepare for infinity
>>578098647personally, I would have sex with narmaya
>>578099604No, Fatebreaker, Terminus and Masteries provide all the ATK mod youll ever need
>>578099604generally, attack is a worthless stat as whats preventing higher damage is damage cap, this of course is brilliantly shown by the power stat inflating with your attack, well done devs
>>578099604in Chaos and beyond you only need attack boosting sigils if you plan to deal most of your damage with DoTs
>>578099604You ignore them unless you're doing dot build, crab sigil you need fate breaker dmg cap supp lumen aqua ventus + utlity and/or confort like improved dodge cascade quick cd stell nerves etc.
>>578095715His rage has subsided...
>>578098647Nobody on the planet plays Chudcelot so go with him for variety's sake
>>578100116>>578100160>>578100173>>578100178Cool thanks, that frees up a lot of room for sureDo people use the 50% damage cap in exchange for debuffs thing in masteries? Looks like everyone gets it
>>578102013no, the reason you may be seeing it is that they are hitting a training dummy most likely, its really bad imo
>>578059041Just came across Void in bubz, he is like the only good Siete ive seen in pubs and lobbies. He was playing Crux and topped the parser for most of the run.
I don't think sub siegfried works with bots regardless of them having stout heart or not, I'm dying left and right
>>578102321>parserAnd there's your problem
>probably have good enough builds for infinity now>try the world>only get his 2nd phase to 50% before running out of timeDamn, it really forces you to git gud at parrying quickeningI think I get the parry like a 1/3rd of the time, it feels really tight
>>578105515If you're playing online it can mess with the guard timing quite a bit apparently. The timing also changes slightly based on your distance to him when he uses it.I land the Quickening guard about 70% of the time offline, but in a lobby it drops to like 40%.
>>578105515It's more punishing solo, since the parrying's all on you as bots prefer to dodge. Online you've (hopefully) got four people making an effort.
>>578098647Yeah I wanna marry and give lots of headpats to Narmaya.
>>578092620Just get lucky lmao
>>578105845I'm playing with my bots so it's just offline, I think I understand the timing but whenever he delays it that definitely messes me up tooI also can't tell if it's parryable if I have mirror images, if it isn't then I should probably drop Yoda for the fight>>578106149Yeah it's definitely all up to me, just gotta keep practicing
>love the art>love the story>love the gameplay even if it hurts my hands>love the idea of strengthening your characters>love the mh like multiplayeri really love this game. are there any other that are like this? are most of the gacha games like this? i'm not starting a fight i know how rabid the gacha fanbases can be but i'm just curious. the only gacha game experience i have was genshin and i only played it up until i got the flame archer because i found the game boring.
>>578108938>are most of the gacha games like this?no, and please don't
>>578108938>love the mh like multiplayer>are there any other that are like this?You answered your own question with that one. Monhun is the closest thing you'll get to Relink even if it isnt 1 to 1.>gacha gamesThe actual granblue gacha game can give you similar feelings of accomplishment with it's progression system (grid building), but the game is a veeeeeeeeeeery slow burn, very archaic and difficult for me to recommend. Also its general is a cesspool even for gacha general standards, making it even harder for me to recommend from a community standpoint.
>>578110134you're a man of taste, how'd you get them to make those faces?
>>578110225I showed them my big meaty 60k shield
>>578110134>Monhun is the closest thing you'll get to Relink even if it isnt 1 to 1.i know but i mean the online aspect and all. i much prefer having characters with personalities i love and nurturing them that kind of thing. in mh it's all just meh lately and the gameplay is too realistic i kinda like this absurd gameplay relink has. i live mh dont get me wrong but relink is more fun for me.yeah i wasn't really gonna do the phone game i kind of watched or saw videos on it although the sprites are cute and i do enjoy those old pixel jrpgs the video i saw was very static the attacks doesn't even have effects i just see numbers popping up. only reason i'll ever try the gacha is probably for the story but i can sort of read it instead.
>>578108938>are most of the gacha games like this?if onlyother than monhuns one of the closest game you can get is dragalia lost from same dev (already eos but priv server exist) but character kits are heavily simplified and still not scratching that relink itch. dunno if coop is still active or even worksits still something to play if you can't use your pc/switch for weeks or waiting for relink content update
>>578112915I ported my old account to one of the private servers and had a lot of fun revisiting itHolds up surprisingly well all these years especially for a gacha game, relink is a nice spiritual successor
>>578108938>PvE co-op against big bosses >Characters with their own designs/predetermined movesets>Not super-realistic>Gacha-like character strengthening, progression, grind hellNightreign, Vermintide and the rest of its series, Vindictus/Mabinogi Heroes if it's still at all aliveNone of them have the exact same gameplay or anime artstyle though. Vindictus was pretty clearly MonHun inspired but you'll have to put up with >NexonMy understanding is that the God Eater series broke the chuuni anime aesthetic MH before Relink did, but I can't speak to it myself and I don't really trust Bamco with action games, especially since that was from their Zestiria era if I recall
>>578116998God Eater 1/Resurrection and God Eater 2 are from the PSP era, and I can vouch for them being a fun experience at the very least. I have no idea about GE3 though.
>tried out fat fuck Ferrythis is kinda funny but does she have any tech at all or do you just likehold down 1 of 2 buttons and do mediocre dps and stun even with every celestial equipped?does she at least have any tech to keep the pets around for permanent veil or is it 100% rng every time you start onslaught? sometimes they seem to stick around forever and sometimes the little bastards fuck off immediately the moment I have to dodge cancel and chase the boss
>>578117441Ferry just generates a lot of SBA, so if you invest in Uplift you can run laps around the rest of your team. Keeping her pets after each onslaught is a gamble and the only way to guarantee they say is during Link Time. However if you're getting full onslaughts, with qcd and cascade you should have enough skill uptime to re-summon them consistently.I kinda wish they'd enhanced her charge attacks instead of her aerial barrage for her other mastery but it is what it is.
>>578105845they need to relax the parry timings already and make quickening attack a non projectile it is truly baffling how they made every conscious decision possible to maximize how infuriating it is to deal with online
>>578112915i don't play on a switch or pc sadly.>>578116998Nightreign? isn't that a fortnite melee kind of thing? and all progress restarts? not sure i'll enjoy the characters too souls game story telling is very vague and kinda meh to me>mabinogilol didn't know that game is still alive. i played that when i was in high school the mmo anyway but never heard of mabinogi heroes.>god eateri play it from time to time trying to get a serious playthrough but i can't seem to focus on it i know it says 9 hours but i think i have like 5 hours of playtime total and the rest are just afk-ing. not sure about the other two god eater games though haven't started them also i tried playing online on it once and i think the population is deadi appreciate the suggestions. i guess i'll just hope cygames pick up the pace and just continue doing expansions for relink.
>>578119904nightreign is pure kino and one of my favorite coop games ever but it's definitely different from monhun and relink>go on expeditions much like quests in monhun>level up and get loot in expeditions but everything resets like you said>you get relics as rewards that end up forming your build, allows for quite a bit of build variety, more than I thought it would, makes things way less rng dependent than you may think>very soulful, the hub is comfy>some of the best boss designs fromsoft has ever put out>character mechanics make the game incredibly fun compared to other souls games, the mobility and power of your character are really ramped up even from elden ring>the fortnite ring actually makes things exciting and fun, I thought I'd hate it>not much story but what story there is was enjoyable, the characters have enough personality but nowhere near something like vermintide which is a good example of another great coop game>if the game had vermintide banter it would be 10/10I'd recommend it but it may be hard to get into now if you don't have friends that would play with you, not sure how active online is
>>578119904>NightreignIt's kinda like Conflux, except instead of having ~10 stages to collect roguelike buffs for Bubs, you have about 30 min (dictated by the Fortnite ring) to explore the map and hunt as many monsters as possible to buff up before the boss at the endThe buffs reset but you get Relink-like sigils between runs for your characters, complete with shitty rng and even shittier in-game descriptionsThe plot is more explicit than normal Fromsoft fare, characters have Fate-episode like side quests that tell their backstory though YMMV>Mabinogi Heroes/VindictusIt was localized with a completely different name and the artstyle is less moeblobby and more 2.5D Korean MMO coomer so probably not immediately recognizablePopulation is almost certainly dead outside endgame and it wouldn't be on the table if you don't do PC anyways though
why the fuck do I even bother with quick quests why the fuck do I even bother with quick quests as Rosetta I spend the entire quest chimping out planting roses forever chasing bosses until link time and finally get to catch up to an mlvl 30's dpswhat a fucking cancerous existence, why the fuck didn't they test this shit properly?
>>578119904Mabinogi Heroes is different from Mabinogi.But yeah, I played the MMO back in the day too, and also was a bit surprised when I poked around the wiki a while back and learned it was still chugging along.
I'm convinced that anyone who plays online AND gets consistent quickening blocks are either lying or using cheats. there is literally no way anyone has a reliably high success rate with this, and I mean anything above 50%. I did an entire evening of pub online runs thinking I don't have enough pblock experience... lo and behold, I pblocked EVERYTHING except quickening. every attack, every aoe, pblocked. except quickening. the timing is intentionally rigged to piss you off, I'm sure of it.
>>578110134Im saving this image
>>578119904>another PScuckdont even bother with Nightrein then, the formula isnt bad, or at least "wasnt" while the game kept getting content, its not really that beginner friendly either(tho not as brutal as it was on release)but still a bit too punishing if you lack proper routing/knowledge or cant make good/fast decisions on the "where are we going next?" part, watching a video or playing solo could help but its still a 3player game and bad early game decisions can REALLY fuck runs up(specially with Shifting Earths), and if youre fresh or paired with retards you will NOT get past Night2i hate the DLC map, its big and confusing and it suffers even more from the previous issues, the raids there fucking SUCK toogame was fun for a while until metas started molding the runs and honestly the game is fucking dead as shit on PS most of the time outside of some Everdarksafter you beat the 7 base bosses theres 6 more "Super" versions of them wich are "kinda" the endgame, after that theres 2 more bosses and 1 super version of the Valkyries wich is the absolute worst fight in the game followed by Everdark Libra or Everdark Augur, but once you get both Valk relics youre basically set for most melee buildsoutside of that, theres literally no endgame, theres the Deep of Night(?) mode wich is kinda that, wich just roids the FUCK out of everything per layers and all you really do is increase layers(dificulty basically) up to 5 and then you just keep leveling up a bar, up to wichever level you want, you dont get shit from doing so either so you basically have zero reason to keep playing once youve beaten every bossagain PS is kinda dead on players on some bosses, you can play Duo too but its a bit too late imo to jump into the gameFROM never really seemed to care much for it either tbf and that shit was clear since the Network test, an experimental asset flip to see another aproach at multiplayer oriented games, and Nightrein is for Duskbloods what DS2 was for DS3 and ER
>>578129512deep of night opens up way more variety when it comes to builds and generally just makes the game more interesting, it's definitely one of the better "hard modes" in a game imo
Is a Stout Heart really all that lucrative? The characters I play already get Stout Heart from their own self-buff skills (Naru and Song)
>>578103283It's bad. It needs a rework, but it won't happen. Sieg shouldn't be for substitute anyway, it's better if he can provide the team buffs and then get stacks for using them all the time. Or get stacks by landing a counter. Anything but getting stacks via tanking damage because you just explode in one frame. Try using it on infinity Luci with randoms to feel real pain.
>>578110225There's a setting for facial expressions in photo mode. You can also toggle eye contact towards the camera.
>>578127550Im pretty inconsistent with it in the sense that there are some times I can hit the perfect guard 90% of the fight, and other times Im a complete potato and only manage to get 2 or 3 on the fight total, but I completely play offline with ai
>>578137358Stout Heart summon I meant
>>578137358>>578137514Stout Heart doesn't come in + form, so if you're slotting it as a sigil then you're losing two potential traits for it. Plus it's a purple, so you don't get any of those sigil color bonuses from that slot.Summon is good because it saves you from all that.If the character buff has good uptime for it, then maybe it's less important for that build, I dunno. But some characters will definitely want it.
My life became worse after I dropped ER for Marvel Rivals
>>578138770I can keep 100% uptime on it with Naru, assuming the boss doesn't clear out my buffs (like Luci can) or I'm not constantly wasting 3+ seconds each time trying to re-buff but cancelling it just before the buff applies because I have to dodge an attack.That or I eat floor
>>578123635FUCK the dude who designed Rosetta's kit because its genuinely the most rage-inducing character to play as you spend so Mich effort spamming roses and wait for the right moment and the boss drifts our of the final Spiral Rose hit and cuck you out of Lost Love reset, which accounts for like 60% of your damage output her other master trait trees are complete horseshit teamgriefing nonstarters too
>>578137358It's character dependent. If you play a character that gets consistent Stout Heart or at least has it on their core moves, then there's no need. If you're playing a perfectionist master style character, like Eustass, Maggie or Yoda, then it also does no good as getting hit instantly ruins them anyways.However, it's worth noting that having it as a summon gives your entire team of (You) + your 3 CPU buddies the Stout Heart. This can be great for overall survivability and consistency if you're trying to clear Infinity quests offline. But again, depending on who's in the party it may be redundant.
Why do they hate Rosetta?
>>578139225I am not exaggerating when I say Pigfried's PE dodge cancel wrist-destroying autism is less enraging to deal with than playing Rosetta nothing makes me wanna throw the controller quite like spamming roses for the first 60 seconds PRAYING the boss would stop moving and hoping the roses won't spawn at your feet because the boss just happened to do an aerial attack
>>578137358>>578139703Forgot to also add, but it's worth noting that CPU party members won't bother dodging attacks if they have Stout Heart. So if you have one of the aforementioned "Perfectionist" master style characters as a CPU party member, it's not just useless on them, but outright detrimental since they'll just keep taking direct hits and bricking their own kits.On that same note, Substitute Danchou/Siegfried hates Stout Heart because the rest of the team will just keep facetanking everything, which will kill them constantly.
>>578138898I just cant respect a rivals player...
>>578137362>Sub characters get shit like Def up or Dmg cut when pressing the tank buttonI'm convinced them taking fully unmitigated damage from glass cannon shitters is a bug, it can't be intended that the tank explodes instantly for daring to press sub during the Chaos++ gobbos or Pyet or Luci or somethingBut it's Cyge so who knows
Hunting no downs trophy on Bubs, Faa, and Versa.Just don't go down and kill him.Session ID: UE3D AD17 GMHF X3WS
>>578151106If I wasnt heading to bed I'd join...
>>578150149I dunno, but I had to stop playing sub sieg because I encountered people that were griefing and getting into attacks and AoE pools on purpose so I would die. Making it all about using his counter only and buffs would be better.
>>578151632I'd say it's less griefing and more about bad feedback. Personally I have a harder time recognising hits taken when someone's subbing me, especially with whatever the hell is going on. Takes a while before I stop and think "why am I not taking damage" and realizing that substitute is active.Also you do realize that people tank hits all the time? Many would just tank through the smaller ones and characters that have long windups tend to take the bigger risks. Sometimes they take the blow or fail a midframe perfect guard, but know that it's not enough to kill them so they could just heal back up. With Substitute you're taking damage from three other people. Even the small ones start to stack up.Fire dragon standing on top of its own fire puddle? The burn will kill.
>>578153445I understand all that, but no. I'm talking about 3 or 4 different players in different sessions on different teams that specifically waited for me to use a buff to activate sub to then immediately kill me on purpose. I would die, chalk it up to what you mentioned and carry on, only to pop a buff and immediately die again. I had to just get some stacks via link attacks and not use buffs or they would kill me on purpose again.
>>578154273That's unfortunate. I don't think I've come upon deliberate Substitute griefers but yeah you go down much more when using it on random lobbies.
>>578151106I was sleep but would be interested in versa at some point he's the only one I'm missing still
How is the game for someone who doesn't play the main gacha game? Is it any good if I don't have attachment to the universe? I'm looking for something grindy and this looks similiar enough to MH games to interest me. Will i miss a lot of experience if I don't know much about the gacha game?
>>578154273playing devil's advocate, I think it makes sense for players to go>the tank is making me invuln so I can do more dps>time to go full retard unga bunganot realizing that sometimes it just instagibs the tank, it doesn't help that you're also griefing danchou if you don't facetank during their subit also doesn't help how inconsistent damage is in this game you see people standing in furycane's tornado puddle and it's fine to do that during sub, but you do that to pyet's zap puddle and the tank explodes
>>578156504it's not a super plot-heavy game (especially the expansion) and the main plot and important characters are fairly standalonea lot of the playable characters and bosses are from the gacha game, but that's about it, they just sort of show up and you might get their backstory summarized in a sidequest or a one-off line>Is it any good if I don't have attachment to the universe?most of the playable characters who show up are completely plot-irrelevantthe only real benefit you'd get from universe attachment is if you've been waiting to see your wife animated in 3d for years or something, otherwise you can just go with "this random chara looks cool/cute"> Will i miss a lot of experience if I don't know much about the gacha game?besides the playable characters, magic events will just sort of happen or random bosses that seem kind of like a big deal will show up out of nowhere and you just kill themgame won't really explain in much detail since it's just a retelling or alternate timeline of some stuff that happened in the gachait's not like it's some big lore relevation or enriched experience only for people who've played the gacha, if anything it's probably better to have no idea how haphazardly these bosses are being slapped in, or how one character can represent an entire missing group
>>578158712Sounds good, thanks anon. Ill give it a go.
>>578156504Following up as a secondary who only played GBVS first because I loved how the characters looked, everything felt great.They added some cutscenes near the start to explain how each crew member joined you, so that helps.Main story felt totally self contained to me, though you get some references here and there (character: whoa, this is just like when we fought Y)The most jarring thing is a post game fight where a character from the gacha shows up and goes>haha remember that time we fought this guyAnd then you fight him (best fight in the game).Very funny.
>>578154273Never played a sub character but ive read here that the defence of the one getting hit isnt taken into account. With Stronghold, Stout Heart and Steel Nerves i intentionally facetank shit all the time to continue with my rotation.
>>578140137because she's not a homoknight
Are Terminus weapons still the best to use even if I can't finish the last step before beating all of Infinity?
>expansion is out barely 2 months >majority of classes already have serious issues and require extensive rework cygay...
>>578179451NOmaxed ascension > max-1 terminus maxed ascension < maxed terminus for all other comparisons, eyeball their stats
>>578179629Cool thanks
