Queen Vegeta Edition- Xenoverse 3 announced- Xenoverse 2 final DLC is out- Two anime series have been announced: DBS: Beerus (with Frieza teaser) and DBS: Galactic Patrol- FighterZ new balance update is out- Gekishin Squadra is out• XENOVERSE 3 - GAMEPLAY FIRST LOOKhttps://youtu.be/2WJ8irTIw7I • XENOVERSE 2 - FUTURE SAGA CH4 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/DFWpzSFTJco • SPARKING ZERO - SUPER LIMIT BREAKING NEO DLC SHOWCASEhttps://youtu.be/-yVuL6K1oMI • FIGHTERZ - GOKU SS4 DAIMA TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/qTfxD54fMHs • GEKISHIN SQUADRA - JIRENhttps://youtu.be/0vc8lPKh_ic • KAKAROT - DAIMA PT2 LAUNCH TRAILERhttps://youtu.be/ZY6OAh_7KYw>Useful links:https://rentry.org/dft79XV2 news:>Future Saga Chapter 4 is outSDBH News/Resources:>SDBH has ended...We are all Heroes! RIP 05/09/24>SDBH Database: https://www.carddass.com/dbh/sdbh_mm/cardlist/>Deck Autism: https://rentry.org/sdbhdecklistDBSDV news:>The 11th set has released>God Rares: SSB Goku, SSB Vegetto, Corrupted Zamasu, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, Cell Max, Xeno Vegeta, SS3 Xeno Bardock>Reflect Break Cards: SSG Goku, Ultimate Gohan, SSR Trunks, Piccolo, Whis>Modes based on Goku Black and DBS Superhero arcs>2nd Anniversary soon>Card List: https://www.dbsdv.com/cardlist/?series=598010>HOW TO FIND YOUR XENOVERSE 2 SAVE ON STEAM guide:steam > userdata > [your steam id] > 323470 > remote > DBXV21DBXV2.sav should be there, which is your savefileIf you wish to delete it to try reimporting or for other reasons, disable steamcloud on both Xenoverse 1 and 2 first.Kakarot news:>Daima DLC Pt2 launched on January 15thThe Breakers news:>Season 9 launched with DBZ Broly Raider>XV Booru: Upload drawfaggotry herehttp://xenoverse.booru.org/Rest in Peace, Akira Toriyama (3/1/2024)Thank youLAST TIME ON /dbg/: >>577270879
>Insane moveset potential>In no game everWhat is their problem?
>>577960270This but the illusion girl with the big hands Roshi fought
>>577960270Tertiary character, usually has the least priority when it comes to games. Best chance is either a gacha, or down the line when Sparking Zero has most of the heavy hitters already in. Expect Maji-Kayo in the "Raging Limit Breaking Blast" DLC.
>>577961691Nah SZ shouldn't pretend to be Raging Blast when it lacks all the cool features RB has.Far too late for that.
>>577961796They literally added new mechanics to the latest DLC (Sparking Boost and Chain Blast), they could always bring back Wall Breaking and Raging Soul in the future. And if enough people ask for via surveys, maybe well get customizable movesets eventually as well, with some attacks from the RB games returning.
>>577962489>>577962576I like that they're getting more 'on model'.
>SZ NEO has been out for about 3 weeks and there's still no playable False Super Saiyan Goku mod>But we have a sloppy low quality SS1 WT23 GokuWhat went so wrong...
>>577965996You posted this last thread.
At the bottom of the page, it says there'll be an in-depth strategy special in the next V-Jump. I guess the Gamescom trailer will show off a bunch of new gameplay.
>>577961534I loved her and she just went under everybody's radar.
>>577963140They can't even put the Accessories tab to good use, doubt they'd bother making customized movesets now with the game having 200 characters.
>>577967228>in-depth strategy specialwish game companies would stop doing this before game releases and would just let people experiment and find things out on their own
>>577967228>>577966778>>577967007>>577967228Call me when they add the GoaT (not to be confused with the goat, even if I wanna see him in XV3 too).
>>577965996Not only I've seen false SS mods, they also existed before the Neo DLC which is why there's no reason to keep producing many of them now. "False SS" is just SS Goku with black hair and berserker eyes anyway, literally SS before knowing what a SS looked like, there's nothing specially interesting about it, "SS Goku if he got SS earlier in his life" is a no brainer more interesting mod in comparison
>>577970551>there's nothing specially interesting about itHe acts different in it than in SSJ. Yes, J.
>>577970749>Yes, J.Truly, the letter of power.
>>577886432To fill a wiki article. When fans beg for lore, that's what they actually want these days. Stats and images to put on Fandom.
>>577969349tell that to the retards that play games by wanting to be the strongest from the get go
>>577903320Dude you're like one of the few people here that brings up a fan work positively rather than derisively. I think we can tolerate a bit of that, especially since it's not a thing you bring up every thread. Go for it.
Easily the most accurate Mamageta fan art I've seen. Hair could be cooler tho
>>577977646I'm still missing mamageta pipped down by Bardock tho
>>577977646I'm happy Toyotaro didn't abandon the royal saiyan crest. When King Vegeta got his Broly redesign, I was afraid that Toei insignia was gone for good.
>>577980365Not the first time Toyble has adapted something from Toei.
>>577982239The crest appeared in Battle of Gods, anon, it has been canon for 13 years. The only question was if we would see any saiyan with it again or not after DBS BR gave us a glimpse of the canon saiyan society without showing it once.
>>577959817>King Vegeta>Queen Vegeta>Planet Vegeta>Prince VegetaUltra Ego at it's finest.
>>577965996>Even modded characters have energy volley But why?
>>577983628That would be really fucking funny if her name was also Vegeta
>>577983628You are forgetting the two previous Kings Vegeta before the one in your pic. Also Table is an extension of the name too>VegeTABLE
My headcanon is that the first king after the fall of Sadla was a saiyan named Galic and when they moved to the new planet and named it Planet Vegeta(ble) he changed his name to that to reflect his supremacy among other vegetable people, with the "Galic" gun passing down in the family as the only reminder of the first king's birth name.
Vegina
this will be xeno 3 Goku in 2027
What's with this "OMG QUEEN VEGETA!!!" retardation?King Vegeta was a failure. He was weaker than his son was as a kid. Why would Vegeta's mom be ANY different?
>>577988350because it's a new Saiyan
>chapter actually ended on thisHoly cringe
>>577988580also "weaker than his kid" is insane because he wiped out three planets with a hand signature
>>577890749>>577890841The grandpa Gohan erasure went so hard I'm honestly still mad. The Bardock whitewashing was also disgusting. Goku had surpassed everything Bardock was when he was a kid, let alone after training with the gods and meeting so many masters.
>>577988705>filler
>>577988594You can tell Salagir genuinely thinks he deserves to live after writing this shit and trying to pass it as Dragon Ball.
>>577988705That's not saying king Vegeta was particularly weak, although he really was given the grand schemes of things, probably stronger than Nappa but weaker than Frieza/Dodoria/Zarbon/Kiwi and all of these guys. It's just meant to show that he was unremarkable. Just a footnote in history.Also that "destroying 3 planets" thing was anime filler. I don't doubt he could destroy planets but...
>>577988812everything from Toei is canon
>>577988594what happened last time?
>>577988771>grandpa Gohan erasureThe other way around my uncultured friend, the arc references the original Bardock special in which grandpa Gohan talks about Goku growing up strong. Bardock who you call whitewashed was a genocidal warrior still, but he wanted his son to grow up strong, so did the mother of the kid.Grandpa Gohan is the one who made that possible, Bardock and Gine's wishes came true throught Gohan's teachings.
>>577989326What do you mean by last time? Last chapter ending? That was pic related, although it came after the infamous "Bra hijacks Vegeta's fight lmao" conclusion.
>>577989417You can pretend these lines are all references to this random Toei filler line but we all know grandpa Gohan never got a single reference and it's all about Goku finding about his origins and his REAL FATHER and shit.You could've had a point if Gas (can't get over that name btw) went "lmao you don't know your origins you suck" and Goku btfo'd him while telling him he had a grandpa who raised him and taught him to fight. But he didn't. It fucking sucks.
>>577989578>fillerIt's not from a random filler episode my illiterate friend, it's from the original special where Bardock comes from. You know, Bardock, the key character from the past in that arc. The character connected to Goku's nature, not Gokus' nurture, which is the thing being questioned back then.Fix your redditspacing, too.
>>577989887It's still filler. This isn't a clever reference but a random coincidence. Goku didn't need to learn from fucking BARDOCK that he needed to "want to win!" or some retarded bullshit like that. Goku was one of the best martial artist in the universe, far, FAR beyond anything Bardock had ever reached or even seen.
>>577992303Translate it caca perro
>>577993842Titties!!
>>577993842
>>577988705>is insaneIt's not because it's literally true.
>>577988594This feel like a shitty attempt at Wakfu's brand of humor.>>577988771Yup, all it does is diminish Goku as a warrior and completely gloss over his origins that ACTUALLY matter.>>577990235Yeah, the idea that Goku would have anything to learn from ANY U7 Saiyan post-Salada is laughable and pathetic.
>>577993842Hot
>>577989578>"lmao you don't know your origins you suck"He's Goku, a Saiyan raised on Earth. We already did that MUCH better 30 years ago, Toyotaro.
rough sex with saiyan women!
Holy shit are these new models?
>>578003575Nah. Something I've noticed with the last Xenoverse is that promotional material has these semi-CG renders. Like they're not hq enough to be CGI but they're too good looking to be regular models.
>>578003881Kinda better example.
Rough sex with Majin women and 21!
>>577959817The queen should be short considering Vegeta'a height.
>>578004490It's funnier if Vegeta's just the short one.
>>578004292Seconding this but 21 is forced to watch while tied to a chair.
>>578003575I hate their fucking babby faces so much
>>578007502You're old.
>>578007280>>578004292Tag-teaming 21 with buufus
>>578003575why does jane have that gamer posture going on
>>577993842enhanced-fla
>>578008052My Buufu will not partake in such atrocities.
>>578000682>the idea that Goku would have anything to learn from ANY U7 Saiyan post-Salada is laughable and pathetic.Specially what he learned from Bardock is pretty bad>Muh saiyan prideSaiyan pride is useless. Goku is this strong because he has the desire to fight someone as a saiyan, but also desire to become stronger as a martial artist. This is just another way to undermine Goku's accomplishments as a martial artist that started ever since RoF>Whis teaching him he should move with his own body which he should already know>In ToP's manga Goku is not happy he has to train from basics again, which he happily did originally>Either version of ToP making him achieve UI in a stupid way (Ether by a high enough power to make him transform somehow, or Toyotaro making Goku into a retard who forgot martial arts basics and needing Roshi to tell him what to do)>Granolah arc having this nonsense for Goku to learn something bad from Bardock>Super Hero where he doesn't know what meditation is, and Vegeta telling him what's up with Jiren, when Goku should've realized that first
>>578012285>Ether by a high enough power to make him transform somehow,That's not what happened in the anime tho. He got UI by being on the brink of death to such an extent that his instinct took over entirely after his mind gave out for a bit.
https://x.com/db_simplemente/status/2089885738997268619
>>578012285>Super Hero where he doesn't know what meditation is,That's not what happened in the movie.>and Vegeta telling him what's up with Jiren, when Goku should've realized that firstThat however is a fair critic but it's obvious it was just Vegeta fagging to set up him winning the spar.
>>578013486please god no
>>578012285>>578013493Goku being undermined as a fighter and martial artist is just a symptom of them trying to make Vegeta stay dead equal with him all the times.
>>578003575This John is probably the model used in the prerendered Age 1000 teaser, the actual gameplay screenshots on the same page still show him with typical CaC proportions, particularly the shoulders
>>578013345>He got UI by being on the brink of death to such an extent that his instinct took over entirely after his mind gave out for a bit.I just watched the anime here.>The energy of the genki dama must be acting as a temporary source of power for his depleted body. However the main point is something else. In that big explosion, the raging power of the genki damage that entered Goku-san, and Goku-san's own power to resist it... Beyond that clash of power, Goku-san broke through the shell to the deeper potential within himself. That's my assumption.Later Kefla's own power does the same (And it was just a kick and a few ki blasts Goku dodged), and Whis says Kefla's energy rivaled genki dama's, and it incited Goku enough to break through his limits and go UI. Point is being hit by something powerful just conveniently allows him to go UI.>>578013493>That's not what happened in the movie.It's exactly what happened. Goku sees Vegeta sitting down, walks up to him while telling he'll get rusty for sitting down for too long, and when Vegeta says it's training too, Goku dismisses the idea. After Vegeta's info dumps about Jiren, Whis congratulates Vegeta for figuring it out, turns to Goku and says that training is more than just "beefing up your body like an idiot". The intent is very clearly that Goku doesn't know about meditation and only trains his body.
>>578021812>Goku sees Vegeta sitting down, walks up to him while telling he'll get rusty for sitting down for too long, and when Vegeta says it's training too, Goku dismisses the ideaYeah and it wasn't meditation, it was Jiren's bullshit.So no, it factually didn't happen.
>>578021812>However the main point is something else.So it's like I said and Goku didn't just go UI because he was using the Genkidama as a power source.
>>578022070"Jiren's bullshit" is Kami's training on steroids, and Popo put emphasis on Goku's need to meditate, and Goku was pretty much doing the same thing as Jiren on Namek against the Ginyu force. But even if Vegeta was doing something else that isn't meditation, Goku still isn't aware of it, and is also dismissive of it even when Vegeta says it's a form of training, since he should've figured out it's something similar to meditation after Vegeta says it's a form of training. Vegeta who was always more about training his body figured out something about mind training before Goku did, and Goku doesn't know and barely cares that Vegeta figured out what's up with Jiren's power because Goku is an idiot. Either way he was dumbed down to prop up someone else again. And I just don't understand why he was the idiot being taught something like that when Broly was right there to wonder what Vegeta is doing.
>the goat is gonna be animated by the GOATKino
>spend 2 hours doing PQs with low levels >don't get a thank you or even a friendly goodbye
>>578025018>the GOATYuya Takahashi?
21 having sex with 21 while 21 watches
>>578027246Tag-teaming purple 21 with good 21
>>578025243I have never done a online PQ.
>>577993827>"Please, Vegeta's mom, teach me to break the internet"
>>577967007it's weird how super saiyan 2 is skipped over and sad that super saiyan 3 is just a goku wig again, like come on, Bamco>>577967228since she represents humans is this a confirmation that humans won't have a unique awakening of their own this time? Power Pole Pro got cut?
>>577993842Nice boobies attached to a 3/10 design
>>578029107I'm terminally online and haven't seen Vegeta's mom mentioned anywhere but here
>>577993842I counter your boobas with this ass
>>578036880you aren’t terminally online then
>>578038667you can't say this to me anon, you know how much i sacrificed??
>>578039367The board expects your resignation...
>>578037529hey this isn't /v/
https://x.com/dbzcom/status/2089698038155444631Toyble on Vegeta’s mum
>>578030410The interesting thing about the article is that it keeps mentioning Awakening and Soul Change as two different mechanics despite both effectively being transformations. It does make me wonder if in the final game, we could equip both to our moveset. The L2+X button combo was suspiciously empty in the demo.
>>577960270bro, Chichi has been in two games, and one of them is Sparking Zero. she was bad fucking ass in Super DBZ on the PS2, idfk what these retards are thinking by waiting 20 years to put her in as DLC.
>>578013486biggest falloff in anime history. where the fuck did Maeda go? bring him back.
Is there a tier list of blast 1 moves in sparking zero?
I hope y'all aren't nothing like /dbs/
>>578053989We try not to, but there's at least 2-3 stragglers who show up sometimes.
>>578052257Haha just last thread someone was talking whether someone remembers this form. Looks like he summoned it.
Apparently they're starting to work on the buu vs moro fight right now. I'm trying to keep an open mind, but with how much effort Toei put into One Piece after WCI, my expectations for Moro are going to be high. It better be the best looking anime of the decade.
>>577990235>doesn't know what filler is>thinks someone strong can't learn a single thing from someone weakerCertified brainlet
>>578060167More importantly, Ratdom was talking out of his ass, the italian guy and Ajay confirmed Shittymuro isn't the lead for the GP anime, but Shintani.
>>578061718I don't care who's in charge. I like Kubota more than Shintani anyways. I just want good animation and new attacks for UI/MUI so the games can finally stop giving him generic Super Kamehamehas.
>>578061272Yes, "filler" might not be the correct word since this is a whole Toei OVA but that's besides the point. This isn't canon.>thinks someone strong can't learn a single thing from someone weakerGoku isn't just stronger than Bardock, he has a million times the experience, the knowledge, the spirit and the conditioning. If Bardock has anything he could teach Goku this isn't this, and this wasn't done in a convincing way. It was trash.
>>578061718good
>>578007502You're based.
>>578060167Best fight in that arc. They should have had Buu kill him then and be done with it.
>>578062850>it's filler okay it's not filler but Goku can't learn from someone weaker except he can it's just that I don't like what he learned so it was bad just accept it okay?Okay, but you will need better excuses when the anime version of the arc is announced buddy, just saying
>>578053989I like Buu girls and they don't so.
>>578053989We like DB here.
>>578053989This is the only refuge from them
>>578074724Pan is so cute...
>>578052257I don't remember Super Full Power Saiyan 4 having red eyes.
>>578075449That figure's eyes aren't red.
Gine > Vegina
>>577993842I heard your porn addiction is strong, let me fight it!
>>578075890You haven't even seen Vegeta's mom.
>>578071639You're being a pedantic reddit fuck. "Filler" might not be exactly the right word but the message was pretty obvious, this is NOT what Toriyama wrote about Grandpa Gohan and this is a very minor part of it.>Goku can't learn from someone weaker except he can it's just that I don't like what he learned so it was bad Again, what a dishonest piece of shit. I elaborated on my point. I didn't say there was literally NOTHING in the entire story of the entire universe that Bardock could ever teach Goku, this is completely absurd. We're talking about fighting and Goku had to learn how to fight and what it meant to fight from a guy who's beneath him in every single possible way on all fucking levels. Of course it's a goddamn mess and it makes no sense.>Okay, but you will need better excuses when the anime version of the arc is announced buddy, just sayingSuch as? Toei can release dogshit anime if they want.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTT6G_IF2og
>>578076005I've seen enough.
>>578077613>The weak should fear the strong
>>578074724lel that picture
>>578077350cute!
>>578077613I still can't believe Salagir wrote Goku's mother and made her basically the strongest Saiyan alive, stronger than Bardock, Vegeta and king Vegeta. Absolute insanity
>>578077613Gine shits on Hanasia
>>578078608I don't even like Gine but she's still a thousand times better than fucking Hanasia.
>>578078809>>578078608https://www.dragonball-multiverse.com/en/page-1477.html?comsall=1>those comments>".... Okay. Guess we're shitting on Gine, then.">She's a shitty character so what do you expected?
>>578078809why would you not like gine
>>578074724I know it was an ad for Oreo but fuck, those oreo gags in the movie were so funny
>>578037529Based
>>578079362I don't like the idea of showing that Goku's mom was a softie (and making Bardock also nicer in comparison to the old OVA) because it makes Goku becoming a good guy less unique. Basically "nature" over "nurture" as opposed to what the Saiyans arc said.That said it's not a complete dealbreaker. Gine is cute and inoffensive besides this thematic issue. It's more that the Bardock OVA was great and cancelling it is annoying, rather than this new subplot being THAT bad on its own.
>>578061272>from someone weakerBardock isn't just weaker, he's a glorified genocidal thug and a minor underling in a shitty pathetic machine that get its plug pulled by a bigger meaner genocidal monster, he has no wisdom to pass on.
>CC2 already back to licensed games and .hack didn't even release yetLMAOOOOOOOOThey know that series won't keep their company afloat for more than a week.
>>578075492Nice
>>578079665This argument is something that never made any sort of sense to me because Goku WITHIN MINUS still was shown to be a wild gremlin child that Gohan struggled to subdue and only really calmed down thanks to distracting the kid food, even commenting that it's a good thing he found Goku first or else the kid could have seriously hurt someone. The idea that Goku got anything from Gine is actual headcanon that doesn't match with what's shown in the pages themselves.
>>578079915Also XES with Nanashi
>>578080103That'd still plant the seed. Maybe it's just in his latent nature. Maybe he just needed to "awaken" this. Besides, it makes him less unique, less of a deviant. And to be fair it doesn't matter THAT much but still you're losing on that piece of dramatic irony for a simpler and goofier Dragon Ball, which isn't 100% bad but I think you're losing in the process.
>Budokai 3>Buu's Fury>Tenkaichi 3Surely Xenoverse 3 will be a banger. Statistically speaking it has to be.
>>578079665She was a softie by saiyan standards, she still accomplished several genocide missions.And I don't really see how Bardock is nicer compared to the OVA, the only real difference is that he's married and was mostly rescuing his wife meanwhile the OVA had it a point that he was popular for consistently saving other saiyans.>Basically "nature" over "nurture" as opposed to what the Saiyans arc said.Dunno, even the Saiyan Saga clearly showed Saiyans weren't unthinking pure evil monsters, NAPPA was shocked at the length Vegeta would go and that he'd kill a fellow saiyan just for the lolz.Goku is more of a Drizzt Do'Urden, where the evils of his race aren't genetically hardwired but cultural AND enforced by a greater power rather than a 'The only good *insert race that's literally just evil taken shape* because of a freak accident'.Honestly you could say the whole 'he instantly became a good kid after hitting his head' was more damaging to a nature and nurture theme than Gine. Hell, Gine herself IS a pretty interesting Nature vs Nurture case since she had the personality of what humans would assume is a harmless shopgirl and yet due to her upbringing, she still slaughtered millions and has 0 remorse or issue with it or her husband doing it more.
>>578078521wasn't she beaten by some random other dude too? no fucking clue what he's doing with those guys
>>578079665>>578080506Also ironically, GOHAN is closer to have inherited Gine's softie heart than Goku. Goku's better traits express themselves very differently from Gine's.
>>578080560>wasn't she beaten by some random other dude too?That was Broly, no? Or Vegeta?
>>578080506>she still accomplished several genocide missionsDid she? I thought she was just a cook.>And I don't really see how Bardock is nicer compared to the OVASaved his son instead of not wanting anything to do with him, which was a pretty interesting plot point.>even the Saiyan Saga clearly showed Saiyans weren't unthinking pure evil monstersRaditz was more than okay with killing his own brother. You wouldn't expect "nice" Saiyans like Gine based on that arc alone, and Goku being nice was shown to be a huge lucky break.>you could say the whole 'he instantly became a good kid after hitting his head' was more damaging to a nature and nurture You'd be right in the sense that Goku didn't just become good thanks to Gohan educating him, but it still kind of works because it still conveys the idea that exterior forces unknown to you can shape your lived experiences. Was it fate, providence or something else, we don't know, but it feels meaningful to me.>>578080560>>578080852Broly gores her
>>578080560>>578080852She was killed by Broly in Universe 3.
>>578079665>I don't like the idea of showing that Goku's mom was a softie (and making Bardock also nicer in comparison to the old OVA)You can do a soft Gine while keeping Bardock the same hardass from the OVA. Goku becoming a good guy was always going to happen. You saw it with Vegeta. Him bumping his head didn't make much of a difference towards that.
>>578080736KWAB
>>578080736What is Cabba doing there?
>>578080996>Goku becoming a good guy was always going to happen. You saw it with VegetaMaybe not. Probably not actually, if you asked people back then I doubt they'd share that idea. Vegeta didn't really become good until much, much later and for very unique reasons. For all intents and purposes the manga made it sound like the headbump did that.
>>578080342The idea that it'd "plant that seed" is still pure headcanon. Gohan was shown to have been attacked by Goku, and later Goku loses any memories of his family because of getting hit on the head. There's nothing in the actual text to support this idea that Gine is the one responsible for Goku "being soft," and if anything a complete reinforcement that Goku ended up the way he did thanks to Gohan.
>>578080852>>578080887>>578080950just double checked and it was this fucking dude i was thinking of, gerkinhe's apparently the STRONGEST saiyan (by a difference of 500), although according to her he only beat her previously 'because she was pregnant'
>>578081207Oh yeah, that guy. Wasn't he Vegeta's cousin, or something? I remember when Raichi summoned his ghost and Vegeta killed him and the other Saiyans with glee.
>>578081198>The idea that it'd "plant that seed" is still pure headcanonI'm not saying it's an established fact. i'm saying that's the idea that it hints at, knowingly or notWe can debate specifics and such but at its core I think it's just that much more powerful to have Goku be the son of a heartless thug like Bardock (who still had some better sides but was overall a monster) and an unknown rando but still turning out good than to just show "well actually the mom is pretty nice and Bardock also wanted to help his son because he felt like doing good things at some point". It's less potent, less dramatic, less interesting.
>>578081306God, Pan is so hot.
>>578080887>Did she? I thought she was just a cook.She became a cook after Bardock had to rescue her one too many times and she was put in a non-combattant role. That's how her and Bardock met, she was part of his unit.>Saved his son instead of not wanting anything to do with him, which was a pretty interesting plot point.Bardock was a tsundere for Goku in the OAV and constantly thinking back on him and his last thoughts were literally about Goku even before he sees the future of Goku defeating Freeza>Raditz was more than okay with killing his own brotherRaditz gave Goku several chances and didn't even hurt Gohan, he was a rat but he clearly wasn't going for the kill until Goku made 100% clear he was going 'traitor' and even tried blackmail before resorting to murder. It shows Saiyans CLEARLY treat each others more normally than they do the races they genocide.>but it feels meaningful to me.I mean, I don't disagree, I just don't think that what 'changed' really made it less meaningful, as I said I feel like Gine actually add to it by showing the other side of the coin, someone with a 'good' nature still ending up doing atrocities because of how they were raised.
>>578081207That's just Salagir's damage control>She's not the strongest!! Actually there's that guy who might be 5% stronger than she is! By the way she fought him while pregnant, isn't that cool and girlboss? Saiyan women fight while pregnant didn't you know?Just bullshti.
I don't care for Multiverse too much these days but I did always think this was funny
>>578080736This is dumb, Saiyans were terrified of the Super Saiyan. They wanted to BE the Super Saiyan but they were terrified of THE Super Saiyan and saw him as a figure of brutality and destruction (Which we now know was because Yamoshi went Musou Main Character on their asses).
>>578081562>Bardock was a tsundere for Goku in the OAVI wouldn't put it this way. He legitimately didn't want to associate with him. His last thoughts were obviously different because at that point everything meant something different.>Raditz gave Goku several chances and didn't even hurt Gohan, he was a rat but he clearly wasn't going for the kill until Goku made 100% clear he was going 'traitor' and even tried blackmail before resorting to murderRaditz didn't even need to kill Goku. Let alone this sadistically. Hell, he could've taken Goku's mercy and left. By all means, Raditz was a fucking monster. All Saiyans were.As for the rest I'm just going to redirect you back to my post >>578081461Not saying your interpretation is objectively wrong or something but even if I start seeing it from your perspective it wont achieve the level of good writing the og had. It's not the end of the world but still a downgrade imo
>>578081573>Saiyan women fight while pregnant didn't you know?Saiyan women just plopping their kids into incubators until they can basically do things themselves is such a better Sci Fi idea and solution to the violent saiyan lifestyle.
>>578081684Mildly funny, too bad they can't make jokes other than 4th wall shit most of the time.
>>578081684Yeah, it's a good one. Goku and Bardock seeing every other family members in the other except themselves is funny.
Dameon Clarke is just fucking around the the sound booth huh. I know he likes to mess around but sometimes I feel like he overdoes it
>>578082560Who?
>>578083468I like to imagine Arinsu is how Toriyama actually imagined Towa, thus her constant failures and the video game guys just took her too seriously.
>>578082797Cell English VA>>578082560I'm sure the voice directors probably encourage that memey shit too. It's been nothing but memey smarmy TFS-tier dialogue for him from localizers ever since FighterZ
>>578076678>"You're being a pedantic reddit fuck">a mere glance is enough to notice his redditspacingDidn't read past the first sentence
>>578077613>follow up U6 Bojacks's backstory after he got killed????
>>578082560sometimes i wonder if they even give them the script or if they just give him a general idea and he just goes completely improv since normalfags think it's funny
>>578082560I like his conversation with Eighter where he justifies eating people because other animals do it to survive
>>578083468
>>578086268Sex
>>578084079The popularity of XV's>I'd totally hug you if that was something I did!Did push localizers into doing more...
I haven't even checked out the what-ifs yet I've just been doing this
>>578086268Nice armpit>>578087585We NEED to ditch the Buu Saga look for Chichi, I swear to god.>>578087445Based
Do you guys think they'll FINALLY show us something new in the Gamescom trailer or will it be another shitty Broly PQ showcase?
>>578018069Nah he didn't have those many strands in his hair in the teaser, even as he was slowly powering up.
>>578086268if no sex why sex shaped
>>578088765She had jiggle physics in Daima.
>>577966875Yes, I have.And I reposted it again this thread.And I might just consider posting it again next thread now, who knows.
>>578088765Diversity and inclusion. The same reason that Namekians were slaves.
>>578088765stop thinking about sex and get to training, Goku would be disappointed on you
>>577970551>Not only I've seen false SS mods, they also existed before the Neo DLC which is why there's no reason to keep producing many of them now.I've seen FSS mods before Neo as well, but I didn't mention it because it's not relevant.There wasn't an official model before.There is one now.That's more than enough reason to make at least 1 new mod, a definitive implementation of that form into the game.>>"False SS" is just SS Goku with black hair and berserker eyes anywaySS1 is just Goku with spiky blonde hair and angry anyway.SS2 is just Goku with spikier hair and sparks anyway.SS3 is just Goku with longer hair and no eyebrows anyway.SSG is a new flavor of Kaioken anyway.SSB is SS1 with blue hair anyway.Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
For the guy who wanted a false SS modhttps://x.com/MajinCobyy/status/2090153408472797375
>>578090389>Member of Team DensetsuFuck, I didn't see that one coming.I don't know why but I thought they would do something slightly easier like revamping S17's attacks and animations or something.Noice.
>>577967228Why does she look like that though.
The only thing I'm looking forward to in fat Majin titties.
>>578091417in XV3*I don't know why that got cut off.
>>578087445Gohan why are you trying not to laugh that's disrespectful as shit bro
>>578090389>>578090273what the fuck I legit didn't see your post lmao, I guess I arrived in time
>>578091594gooner brain
>>578093016More like mods fucking with me because they can't handle Buufu supremacy.
>>578093506i wonder how you act normally outside here
>>578093506Based>>578094839Cringe
>>578095957you are the reason why Black wiped out humanity
>>578096190>IncelmasuYeah, that explains the hostility.
>>578096190You are a faggot, just like Zamasu and his trans species clone.
>>578096592He considers Majin girls to be Glind-adjacent so he seethe when they don't pick him either.
>>578060167If they're ONLY at Moro vs Buu, then no way this is coming in 2027 at all.
>>578060167I sure hope they axed that dumb Uub and Fat Kai shit...
>>578098042Uub bailing Goku out at the end pissed me off, EVERYTHING to deny Goku a clear win.
>>578096592>>578096660>Majin gooner dislikes actual good character and designpoetry!
>>578097632You know 2027 can be November or December right?
>>578098809I need the Incelmasu pic, need emergency incelmasu, please.
Did V-Jump say anything about ROM?
>>578098809>Evil Goku>Good character design
>>578099609Evil slightly brown Goku at that.
>>578099714This is about Black not Turles.
>>578099906Turles is gray
>>578099906Turles is slightly grey, Black is the slightly brown one.
>>578099293It actually revealed she's carrying my children.
>>578100798She stole your kid? WTF
>>578099609he has aura, you wouldn't understand
>>578101701w reply
>>578099107
>>578103954Relatable.
>>578104209fr fr
What if Vegeta had mommy issues all along?
>>578104876He had Asian parent expectation issues.
>>578103954>>578104686Thanks, anons.>>578104876All angry manlets do>>578104532Sad
>>577959817>>577962489>>577962576>>577977646>>578057382>>578104876The major question I have with Queen Vegeta is: will she be an average fighter but a BRILLIANT SCIENTIST? I mean, you know what they say: the love of your life often resembles your mother in some ways.
The queen for Sparking Zero when?
>>578105181No, you'll get pampered Namek Bulma with a stick up her ass (not literal) but without the smarts.
>>578104686is that Piccolo
>>578105181Jokes on you I wonder if the queen was strong. She was just the king's spouse so she doesn't have to be super strong I guess? But it would be funny if random low class saiyans were stronger than the queen.
>>578105318That's (you)ccolo.
>>578105447Wrong, it does matter! They are elites! So clearly they kept it in the family!
>>578105181You think they might be related?
>>578105537oh so it's self insertion cringe
>>578105243Damn, nice job
>>578079915>>578080107>Free update>Added Playable Character: Nanashi Uchiha and her costumes.I'll take it.It's coming almost 3 whole years too late because she should have been playable from the get go like Merz, but since it's free I'll let it slide.
>>578105537Based
>>578103954Where's Goku Blackette?
>>578106451Goku Black is Zamasuette
>>578106451There's always some anon posting femku
>>578080107>>578106314This Nanashi a game OC? I'm out of the loop with Boruto but I'm not sure they'd add a new Uchiha in anime/manga (Unless she's a sex changed clone of Sasuke/Itachi).
I wish someone made a fanfic where the ACTUAL Goku end up in DBM.
>>578108910>This Nanashi a game OC?Yes.Iirc she's an Uchiha from the Warring States Period with super strong Mangekyou abilities kept locked in a cell and used by the clan as a weapon of destruction, she was sealed off until some dude in the present called Merz who made his own criminal organization found her and used her for evil.Naruto, Sasuke but mostly Boruto fight Merz and talk Nanashi out of helping him destroy the world or w/e, but she ends up dying, so Boruto is sent to the past to free her and let her lie a normal life, then he goes back to the present and that's that.
>>578110176Nice
>>578110176Titties!!
>>578109312It'd be like setting genetically modified pitbull on crack-cocaine in a nursery for the disabled.Even Broly's blackhole bullshit is small potatoes at this point.
>>578112887I remember Asura did fanart of Bra vs Kefla and I couldn't resist thinking it'd be like having Raditz fight a Tamagami.
>>578106314>>578106314Wow, they really made Sasuke but girl. how the fuck is vegeta's mother coming up so much now? Are people just that into the saiyans or are we just fucking bored?>>578099293Nope,just the same basic introductions from the trailer.
>>578114876>Nope,just the same basic introductions from the trailer.Shame.>Wow, they really made Sasuke but girl.She's more like Itachi, being treated like a superweapon.>how the fuck is vegeta's mother coming up so much now?She's going pretty viral on twitter and most social media so it inevitably come up here. And we ARE bored.
>>578109709I forgot Naruto has time travel shit in it now
>>578114983Hot
>>578115427The games have had that for a long time to be fair.Hell, a shippuden movie had a weird alt-world thing where Naruto had a different name and was kind of a faggot while Ino had Hinata's personality and Hinata was some kind of delinquent.
>>578114876Bored, we are starved for db content
>>578115427Boruto had an arc where a government sponsored mad scientist brought dinosaurs back from extinction.Then Sasuke and Sakura wiped them all out because the dinos were going to be used as part of an army to invade the land of fire.>>578115653That was a genjutsu illusionary world. Which is a shame, since dom-Hinata is pretty hot.A different movie DID have Naruto time travel to when his parents were active shinobi, though (and Boruto's time travel arc unfortunately exists).Naruto also has a movie based on the concept of "what if Naruto was betrayed by the village and locked away in super prison". It's funny since he didn't NEED to be betrayed, and could've just been ordered to go there and do the job he stumbled into. Everyone just wanted to fuck with him.
>>578116568Oh yeah, I've heard of the 'Naruto in prison' movie.> It's funny since he didn't NEED to be betrayed, and could've just been ordered to go there and do the job he stumbled intoWait, he WASN'T just sent there as a job? Most fanfics I saw that mentioned it had it so it was a mission he took. It was a legit betrayal? WTF?Dude should have REALLY cratered that shithole Konoha.
>>578116568>>578116824Also Sub-Ino was cute too.And that army didn't sound too dangerous if Sasuke and Sakura just solo'd them.
>>578116824During the final battle of the movie (BLOOD PRISON, which is a hilarious name that suits the theme) it's revealed that no one actually believed that Naruto committed the crime he was framed for and that his mission was to destroy the evil box containing the movie's big bad.Until that point, he honestly believed that he was betrayed by his friends and Konohagakure as a whole. He didn't KNOW that he was under a secret mission, he just stumbled into it while trying to escape.Then his friends help him win the fight, round up all the other prisoners that were trying to escape, and Naruto dies only to be revived at the cost of the movie's lead female's life (because movie girls exist only to be killed or forgotten)
>>578117527Holy shit, I'd have killed everyone after bullshit like that.>and Naruto dies only to be revived at the cost of the movie's lead female's lifeLaaaaaaaame.>(because movie girls exist only to be killed or forgotten)Like my girl, Shion. Fucking Kishimoto and his shit taste.
>>578117527Naruto Villagers are legit the closest thing to Marvel Civilians I've ever seen in anime.
Is there a single fanmanga that doesn't treat Goku like shit?
>>578114983goodness gracious
XV3 is supposed to be the biggest Dragon Ball game ever made but they keep reycling the same trailers and that one tech demo, and so far there's not a single thing we've seen that wasn't bare-minimum qualities XV3 is supposed to have.
>>578125442>XV3 is supposed to be the biggest Dragon Ball gameWhere did they say that?
>>578086268Poor man's 21
>>578128794She's canon Towa, her and 21 have nothing in common.
>>578126971nta. No one ever said this. But Hirano said more "elements and settings" were packed into this than any game they've made in the past, and implied Toriyama's put more effort into this than any other DB game (even DBO as of a recent interview)
>>578128861>pink skin>white hair>big boobs>sexy voices >insanely nice womanly bodies>shit writing>smart (up to a point)>unsatisfying endings
>>578130084>pink skinThat's lavender, you're color blind, anon.
>>578130136Tomato, tomato
>>578108910she is basically better sarada uchiha
>>578123063Its absurd how only the cloud had the idea of >maybe we shouldnt antagonize our walking nukes and give them a loving healthy environment Meanwhile you could be a legendary hero in konoha and if you fail one mission everyone suddenly thinks you should kill yourself like with kakashi dad
>>578130441>she is basically better sarada uchihaImpossible!
>>578117527>(because movie girls exist only to be killed or forgotten)I just realized that's basically what they did to 21 in Fighter Z, no wonder those fuckers worked on Naruto so much.>>578131214Even the Cloud only got that idea because said Nuke was literally his autistic younger brother.
>>578131232I recognize that porn.I wish DB had doujins as good as those.>>578131750>was literally the Raikage's autistic younger brother*My bad
>>578128861Anon all 3 are demons with big boobs that are scientist of some kind...yes i'm including majins buu subspecies as demons.
>>578134969they make science sexy!
>>578137352You mean they make magic sexy, not science, anon
>>578137984I'd make magic with them, if you know what I mean!
>>578128861Towa's canon too so idk what you mean by that
Towa's cannons in my face
>>578131895We have better doujins
Hmm... It seems you're a gooner. I don't like gooners all that much. Whis, get the gooner killer
Whis, spare my life and I'll cook you something yummy
shenron and grant my wish and turn everything into coom
>>578149281>wish gets misinterpretedYou fucked up
>>578149619>Misinterpreted Enjoy life as part of the great coomllective fool
>I am now sentient cum>become Oren 2.0
>>578131232Saraqt
>>578131232Tossing Sarada's salad
>>578137352You cannot convince me this isnt toriyama's ideal woman, he makes an expy of her everywhere
>>578161851A what
>>578131232Hey, I recognize this artstyle.
>>578161851By this logic this would be Toriyama's ideal man
>Go on Xitter>Dragon Ball posts in da feed>complaining about "muh dub changes"I don't get this with Dragon Ball, it's like complaining about the character designs or the transformations, like you have to be genuinely retarded to be getting mad about this stuff.
>>578164732The dub is shit, though.
>>578164787At least Goku's voiced by a man
>>578164732>fandom finally waking up after they glazed that for 20+ years>somehow supposed to be bad?
>>578164858They aren't actually.It's mostly posts getting mad about Vegeta saying 6-7 while defending Mondo Cool and using dub names.
>>578164831And that man gets mogged by an 89 year old woman.
>>578164831So is in Japan.
>>578164961As a subfag, Nozawa's voice has been fucking terrible since she resumed doing Goku with DBKai. She's only good as Goku Black really, and that's not her normal Goku voice.It's pretty obvious she's straining to do it too, her VA work in Sanda sounds completely different from what she did in DBS, which sounds normal for an actor, but she used to have a very distinct voice in the 70s/80s/90s.
>>578165226I disagree. And even if that were true, she still shits all over Schemmel.
>>578165289>I disagree. And even if that were trueWell it is true. If you want a literal 1:1 comparison just listen to how she does Kuririn no Kotoka in DBZ vs Kai.
>>578165361Why are you trying to change the subject? Nozawa at her worst is miles better than Schemmel at his best.
>>578165436I'm just saying that I don't think Nozawa's been that good for the past twenty odd years, I'm not the other anon.
>>578165472OK, and I don't give a fuck about what you have to say. Schemmel is shit and Nozawa mogs--that's the topic.
>>578164961Nah
>>578164961Based>>578164831Cringe
>>578164732>Complaining about garbage memes being forced in by retarded lolcalizer is the same as complaining about cool stuffYou're the retard actually and having no standards will never be smart.>>578165472You think wrong.
>>578165226>>578165361>>578165472you're an obvious dubtranny
>>578165610>>Complaining about garbage memes being forced in by retarded lolcalizer is the same as complaining about cool stuffPoint was that the dub has been changing shit longer than most people posting about this stuff have even been alive. Its been 30 years since the original Ocean dub aired on TV.
>>578165537Cope>>578165702And it was bad then too.
>>578165610>>578165686>you're a dubtranny if you think a senior citizen who blew her vocal cords out isn't that great at playing a very loud and childish characterI've been watching DB subbed for most of my life. I'm even hosting a DB groupwatch right now in Japanese even, and I've always disliked Kai because of its music, pacing, and ACTING. Most of the actors have pretty bad voices now because the majority of them are senior citizens who can't inject as much nuance or emotion into their character voices.It largely applies to Nozawa because it's more obvious when she voices five characters across DBS, but you can hear it in Horikawa's Vegeta as well which has lost that Reinhard type regal tone since he resumed playing the character in 2009.
>>578166273Current Nozawa is actually much better than current Horikawa, she didn't age anywhere as hard. Still did insane scream during the SSJ3->SSJ4 transformation scene recently.
>Hey look at those faggot ass clothes
>>578172263
>>578164578How about self insert
>>578174923I'd die fighting for the right to bed her
>>578174923I don't like or care about 21 but I love this image of her in particular. It's a great reaction image.
>>578167081>Current Nozawa is actually much better than current HorikawaI'm noticing Nozawa has really rough delivers in Squadra (particularly Kidhan and Daimaku, but somehow Kidku is pretty good), but mostly yeah. I don't even understand how the fuck she's still doing well enough, and better than Horikawa in general. She's 20 years older than him.
https://imgur.com/a/towa-about-to-you-MfO45QE
>>578178683Cute>>578175157Hot>>578183221Why does she have three legs?
>>578178683Pull tail
>Vegeta's hypothetical momI dont care about Toyotaro's OCs and with Toriyama gone, I have no reason to care about his fanfic manga. So I don't care about the hypothetical Vegeta mom. Dragon Ball died with Toriyama.
>>578195580Same
>>578183221That's a damn penis.
>>578195580Good mindset. I don't care about Toyble's fanfiction
>>578087445Does increasing defense actually have a noticeable effect? I think you are better off putting those points on HP if you want to tank
>>578195580>>578195817>>578197198you guys are way too upset over people fawning over the latest nobody monkey and her getting hordes of fanart
When you think about it, Vegeta has never once told a lie in the entire series
>calls himself a super saiyan when fighting Freeza on Namek
>>578204619Vegeta lies all the time, namely how strong he is.
>>578204619He's lied to himself plenty of times
>>578204890>>578204908It's not a lie if you really believe it
Do Survival or LBJ drop Shenron balls in SZ? I'm trying to grind for a Dragon Orb because I'm a shitter but plain versus mode is getting tedious.
>>578207623LBJ does but the wishes are only restricted to that mode
>>578206007A delusion is still a lie even if it's to yourself.
>>578208273I hate these stupid pod diapers that Super introduced.
>>578208273>widows peak at birth
New Yamamoto doujin in development. Judging by the scar on Broly's chest here, looks like it's going to involve him and Videl.
>>578208621poor guy was fucked from the beginning
>>578177943Never post this again.
>>578177943Someone's eventually going to draw an image of of 21 being shipped with Monster Carrot
>>578208556Do you want the babies to be floating in their own shit?
>>578210608It's anime. Nobody poops or pees unless for comedic purposes.
>>578211290But it's Dragon Ball Even the girls poop and pee, Roshi checked
>>578086050Yeah Cell would say that
>>578208556>>578210608>>578211825DB Minus didn't have them so they're simply made for censorship and not le logical reasons.
>>578209009Nice
>subfag warring at indian hoursel em ay oh
>>578115427>>578116568>a government sponsored mad scientist brought dinosaurs backNever forget the friendships that were lost that day.
>>578115653>>578116568>That was a genjutsu illusionary world. Which is a shame, since dom-Hinata is pretty hot.Before it was (kind of?) retconned into being a genjutsu world, it was an actual AU.It was featured in Road to Ninja, the 6th movie.Menma was the main antagonist puppeteered by Tobito iirc.
LA TIA DE VAGINA
>Queen Bejita is the first non-Toriyama DB thing in the "mainline works" since he died over two years ago>will likely be the last for at least two more yearsFunny
>>578204551Dragon Ball fans are hungry for any content even some OC
>>578218637>non-ToriyamaHow you know?
>>578220317First of all, Toyo basically all but said it.Secondly, Toriyama never really does 'hidden designs', he has unused designs but those are for existing characters. I wouldn't be surprised if he never deeply thought about Vegeta's mother at all beyond how a potential mother might have influenced Tarble's design.Thirdly, you can tell based on what little is in the image. It reads far more like the Toyo original designs, which tend to be a fair bit derivative (this one of Super Paragus and Z Broly), whereas Toriyama's tend to be more like a "fuck you" even when they're meant to be derivative (like Super Paragus and Burdock).
>>578221906>Toyo basically all but said itHe did? Well, I was wondering if some napkin scribbles were involved. Guess that answers that question.
>>578195580>hypothetical>Toyotaro's OCYou know Vegeta canonically has a mother right
>>578225736You can't prove that king vegeta didn't undergo mitosis
>>578225915Is this how King Cold learn it?
>>578223340That poster was actually there the night Toriyama handed his last bar napkin scribbles to Toyo.
I genuinely do not give a shit about Bejita's mother. TAKE THIS
>>578229214
we are becoming /sthg/ tier and it's horrifying to witness
>>578232045What do you mean.
>>578232772He does not like that people are talking about Vegiemom
>>578232045surely it's impossible to devolve into the level of petty infighting that sonic fans achieve, we simply don't have enough autism to give
>>578232889I don't understand why that makes us like /sthg/ but you could just say you don't want to talk about it or just fuck off in the meantime until there's another topic going on. You don't need to sit and stare at the general 24/7.
>>578217315This is both goofy and cute.>>578217650>It was featured in Road to Ninja, the 6th movie.Yeah, that's what I remembered it being. Honestly kind of dumb to recton it.>MenmaShit name DESU
>>578223340>He did?He didn't. We have no info how what the design is based off, be it a Toriyama creation, a Toyotaro creation approved by Toriyama or a Toyotaro-original after Toriyama's death.>>578232045The discussion is literally normal.
>>578208273Where are her breasts?
>>578232889with all the shit this general has gone through, a fan design for vegeta's mother wasn't exactly the line in the sand i was expecting someone to have
>>578232920Dragon Ball definitely has that level of autism in the fandom, but the good news is most of that energy is more focused over on /a/ than here.
>>578236774/dbs/ shitposting isn't really dragonball shitposting per se as much as it is just schizoposting puppeting dragonball characters. It's why they moved over to deathbattle so smoothly, same shitposting with just different people because the people never mattered
>>578236774>but the good news is most of that energy is more focused over on /a/ than here.Those aren't DB fans tho. They all moved to the death battle general on /co/ and they act and talk the exact same way about cartoons and capeshit now.
>>578236917Fuck, I was ninja'd
I do think that Dragonball has its autists. Stuff like multiverse would not exists if we didn't have diehard fans. It's just that the ratio of diehard fans to people who just like it on a surface level is skewed really fucking hard because barely anyone actually engages with dragonball. Most people have not watched the anime(sans super) in 20 years much less read any of the manga. We've had some deeply autistic back and forths, though. Mainly around whether or not stuff in cell saga makes sense like android inconsistencies and arguing about whether or not Gohan's protrayal in Cell Saga was a character assassination or not. (I still think it is, but people have made strong arguments about it on the contrary)
>>578237303We do have autists, just look at TheWriteFiction or anyone here, but they're not /dbs/ schizos. /dbs/ schizos are almost entirely unrelated to DB itself at this point.
>>578237439I was the first anon who claimed that /dbs/ people were just conveniently puppeting whatever popular thing they could to make shitposts, I agree with you lmao.
>>578236917>>578236958>>578237439>[Headcanon]"BOOM!" roared the scholar, as the beaten puppy cried."Wait, did I just win again?" the bored scholar sighed.
Vegeta's mother is also named Vegeta
>>578239357King Vegeta is so lucky...
>>578239357Incest? Based
Bump
>>578177943>I don't like or care about 21Well, you should.
>>578249528>Zen BuuWhy?
>>578249528is that supposed to be zen buu or buuhan with his shirt off? I don't think super buu's jawline is that normal
>>578249589Buuhan's head tentacle looks different, it's Zen Buu IMO, which is confusing.
>>577962489This is just the DQ3 hero.
>>578249572Why not?
>>578249528No thank you. I prefer real Majin females.
>>578250471just a bit weird, innit. He hasn't really been relevant in years
>>578250471Dunno, it's just weird to have HIM specifically with 21 and canon Kid Buu.>>578250596It's funny you can tell the exact moment Salagir started seething about him when he remembered Zen Buu had shat all over all the cringe gimmicks and insta wins.
>>578250767I mean let's not pretend like Zen buu wasn't super dumb. He kind of required two full on deus ex machinas to deal with because he just invalidates the whole setting and can do anything because magic is not a real powersystem in dragonball and therefore can do anything
>>577959817Note is pure!
>>578250986Welcome back.
>>578250869Yeah he was dumb but you can really tell when he went from a 'Muh science' author pet God to another fodder for magic wank with Gast one shotting his ass easily and it's 100% over him having that one chapter where he shit talks all the cheap shit.
>>578250986Pure sex!
>>578251197I had completely forgotten about Gast, lmao. What a guy. I don't think Multiverse will ever live down Gast waving his hand and turning off Vegito
>>578251409I think it can 'live it' down because literally nobody has any clue what happened in it since Goku got one shotted.Seriously Salagir is in love with Nail. He was also the only one from the 'caveman saiyan' verse to get a win.
>>578251651Salagir sure loves his random ass scrimblos. Nail, Bojack, Raichi (This one was actually kind of fun I liked multiverse raichi) King Cold and Bra of all fucking people.
>>578251785>Raichi (This one was actually kind of fun I liked multiverse raichi)He was unironically the actually good part of the fight with that annoying author's pet King Vegeta that's somehow eternally stronger than an immortal Kakarot AND somehow went from Vanilla Super Saiyan to stronger than End of Z Vegeta.Man, Goku from the King Bardock and Primitive Saiyan verses were SUCH missed opportunities. Kakarot was one too since at least the glimpses of his time on Earth seemed interesting.
>>578251785>>578252091>King ColdAlso that was Ginyu, who's somehow now a hardworking dude who trains and get improve himself.Yes, the dude who's whole gimmick is stealing people's body to get stronger and who couldn't use Goku's body correctly cause it was carried by mutant powers.
>>578252191I refuse to call him Ginyu because he's just not Ginyu. He's king cold that had ginyu's body swap gimmick, that's how I rationalize it.
>>578252259That genuinely would have been better honestly.Ginyu would have legit swapped bodies to survive and just went straight back to Freeza, apologizing for his fuck up (and Freeza wouldn't have casually killed him for the lolz either, he's not a toddler).
Is it me or OPM fans always have the WORST opinions in DB.
>>578252491I mean that's a pretty specific claim anon what brought that up, I assume this is a powerscaling thing and most powerscalers have bad takes on just about anything
>>578252554Nah, I just saw a funny comics dude on twitter, check his account and while he had some okay takes, most of it was pretty shit mixed with fanboying about OPM.Pic related.His little stickmen are funny tho.
...so who's gonna tell him?
>>578252554>>578252835In term of powerscaling, it's capeshit fans and 'muh science / sci fi' dudes who always have the worst takes.40K fans are forever mad that the funny anime dudes called shit like 'Appule' fold their armies.
>>578252932not it
>>578252932>>578252991
>>578252959Buddy Dragon Ball fans to this day have meltdowns over fucking Usagi, to say nothing of the people so invested in the GT vs Super nonsense, don't act like this fandom doesn't have the annoying powerscalers too.
>>578252932some people forget about her brand of shitposting
>>578253137The difference is that we're right. Sailor Moon and Saint Seiya aren't that strong, it's annoying seeing manga and animes I've read and watched get misrepresented like that.It's like when you had fuckers going around insist you had universe busting pokemons.
>>578253137I am dead sure that most of the people in the GT versus Super wars haven't even watched either. ESPECIALLY GT.
>>578253264>It's like when you had fuckers going around insist you had universe busting pokemons.You've got Sonic fans doing that lately.>>578253289I mean, GT starts out with Goku stronger than Buu and Super starts out with Goku stronger than Vegetto, doesn't it make it clear who's stronger?
>>578253381oh I didn't even know we were still talking about powerscaling I thought this was about the slapfight about which series was better not stronger.
>>578253289>>578253381Also the fights in GT are kinda shit in general IMO
>>578253517For me the reason as to why i'm dead sure no one ever watches GT is that no one ever talks about the specific events about what happens in GT. It's just vaugely gesturing at super saiyan 4 versus baby and gogeta 4 versus omega shenron, ignoring 98% of the show
>>578253465Oh, if we're talking quality, I don't hate GT but it's like the least good DB show for me.
>>578253517Yeah that's why I didn't like GT. That and it's always just Goku solving the problem for everybody while they play the role of damsel.
>>578253289>>578253381there are GT fans that will insist that ACTUALLY Goku is stronger than Super Vegito for arbitrary reasons, then insist that the multiplier for Super Saiyan 4 has like six zeros after it or something.
>>578253381>You've got Sonic fans doing that lately.Trickle down sonic scaling is the funniest shit I've ever seen. If you trust vsbw Cream the Rabbit, is several dimensions stronger than Goku at his strongest
>>578252959>40K fans are forever mad that the funny anime dudes called shit like 'Appule' fold their armies.while this is true, let's not act like there are Dragon Ball fans that don't do similar things, especially when it comes to GT or Heroes specificallypowerscaling in general brings out the worst in any fandom
>>578253613>>578253651I mean, I'm all for Goku being the focus, my problem is more that fight just feel like generic fights rather than DB fights, like that one fight against one of the dragon who's name I forgot where Goku does a weird trick hiding in the sewers or something, which doesn't work cause ki sensing is a thing.Or how against another dragon, they had to imitate a seagull's flight pattern to find the flaw in the dragon's tornado move. Which is kinda goofy, how is a seagull gonna find a flaw better than Goku?
>>578253907dont forget about how they kept throwing ki blasts at super 17 after they had already established that super 17 can absorb ki. There's also the deeply bizzare Luud fight where they gotta defeat him from the inside because Goku just refuses to ever go anything higher than ss1
>>578253774The concept of 'dimensional scaling' is goofy as fuck in and of itself.>>578253824True but 1: I see less of them, in general DB get shit on so much that it's fans are held to a bullshit standards other franchises are not (I once got banned for 'not addressing' proof because a dude just showed a random drawing of the moon and said that prove the moon in DB is smaller and I said 'It's obviously just not drawn to scale, it's stylized') so you see the worst spergs less and they stand to get kicked out much easier.And 2: 40K fans are especially annoying about it and tend to go around bragging about how 40K would just drown other popular sci fi settings in bodies or exterminatus them while insisting the Emperor is multiversal (the entire setting is 1 galaxy that everyone is trying and falling to conquer entirely) and that DBS characters can't destroy planets. And it's against DB so it's more relevant to bring up than DB being awful to another franchise that isn't relevant to the thread.>>578253708From what I saw, the claim for GT Goku being stronger than Vegetto is beating Baby Vegeta, who was said to have the most 'formidable' ki Goku had ever seen, which is okay, whatever IMO.The Super Saiyan 4 is new to me tho, how the fuck do they get that?
The simple fact of the matter is, lizards are better than monkeys. Goku? A filthy monkey. Therefore he will lose to Godzilla.
>>578254307Goku can do the dragon throw tho and dragons are better than lizards.>>578254068GT in general is addicted to ki blast spam, it's almost like Goku isn't allowed to throw a punch of something. Feels like the old censored spiderman cartoons where they had to do gymnastics to make fights where Spiderman isn't ever shown actually hitting anyone.
>>578254307Shut up Freeza.You don't have a penis.
>>578253907>I mean, I'm all for Goku being the focusI'm not man. I am so sick of Goku. Blasphemy I know but I am. It was dumb that Toriyama went back to Goku back in the Buu saga and it's dumb beyond it. Super and GT made it even worse in different ways.
>>578253907>just feel like generic fightsBy that I mean it's the kind of tricks you'd see used to defeat the monster of the week in shows like Yu Yu Hakusho, Inuyasha, Pygmalion or Wataru. It doesn't really take into account the history and capabilities of the characters and setting.
>>578254393>>578254590I'm right and you know it, monkey simps.
>>578254602I don't think it was ever really meant to be as the way Toriyama dumped Goku out of the plot was super sloppy. Him dumping responsibility of the planet solely on Gohan's feet was extremely goofy and i'm personally glad that wasn't just left to stand. Especially since his reasonings are nonsense and should've been countered by trunks the second he started saying them
>>578254590Fuck, this is the most character accurate shitpost I've seen since the one where Goku pats Videl (minus how Goku calls out Videl at the last panel) and the one where he just wave at Chichi while doing here doggystyle where she look back at him.
>>578254602I mean, it's your opinion but I'm just not very attached to the whole 'passing of the torch' and 'next gen' stuff and I actually appreciate the artistic integrity in Toriyama to go 'This isn't working, I'm not gonna keep forcing it' when he felt this was bad for the story.
>>578254602>>578254865If anything, my problem is more Vegeta. Just give him a vacation. Daima just confirmed it for me, dude need to sit out a few arcs at least.
>>578254706You lost and you're now part of Goku's friend circle, stop whining and go babysit Marron.
>>578254865Gohan would have had honestly been a terrible replacement for Goku. He's not nearly as interesting of a character to watch when he's on top and not a struggling underdog like he was during Namek. I genuinely don't know what toriyama was thinking
>>578255226It's probably just what accidentally felt fitting after introducing a kid for Goku and hyping his potential during the Saiyan Saga AND showing him holding on in the future timeline as the last line of defense after Toriyama already had to change his plans like 3 times and Toriyama didn't think twice until it was already done cause he had already reworked the arc a lot.
I think Goku would get along well with Ogrynes and Orks.Vegeta and Eldars would be massive tsunderes toward each others. They're basically a race of Bulmas.
>>578254602>>578254865>>578255226>>578255425I'm of the opinion that a "next generation" thing could work, but it takes a very specific brand of character writing to actually make it work. You need something that can balance being a person that is willing to go out and fight strong guys for some reason without it JUST being Goku 2.0. The failure to make Gohan work comes more from Toriyama not liking the direction he was taking Gohan and seeing that the character Gohan was currently didn't work for the story he was trying to tell. I feel that Gohan COULD have worked if Toriyama found a way to bridge the gap of him being a nerd and him being a fighter that would allow for action-packed fights but also some character-driven comedy; something like Gohan getting super into the actual martial arts of the series and being fascinated by different skills and abilities, even those used by foes. The comedy potential could be in, for example, Gohan stopping a fight for a moment to get out a notepad and asking how some weird skill worked, with a foe either baffled and angered by it and him having to figure it out on his own, or being boastful and proud of it and explaining it to him, to their almost immediate detriment.
>>578255727I mean, almost anything CAN work but I just don't think it's worth the effort, I'd rather just get good stuff with Goku.And yeah, a Goku 2.0 is just not worth it, we already have Goku, might as well keep him if you're going there.
>>578255727>>578256009Also your idea of essentially making Gohan a martial art otaku could have been fun. He'd have basically been a non-Isekai Ernie (Not gonna lie, it's so heartwarming to me he made into Super Robot Wars, dude is in paradise twice over) but for martial arts.
I'll just say it now: Goku would beat anyone from the Nasuverse.
>>578256207are we pretending like either of those franchises have anything approaching consistent powerscaling
>>578256301Nah.
>>578256207I mean. Duh? Doesn't the MC just win by spamming swords at peole?>>578256301DB's pretty consistent compared to most.
>>578256578>DB's pretty consistent compared to most.Anon we pull out the ki control cope half the time to justify why shit isn't blowing up the earth half the time because that would make for worse coreography. It's honestly weird to me how the Ki control stuff is accepted as basically direct canon despite nothing like that ever having had been brought up in the series.
>>578256716>Anon, we pull the canon very clear and simple explanation to 'justify' something that happens in literally everything.Pretty consistent.>nothing like that ever having had been brought up in the series.We literally have a whole scene of Goku doing that shit with his finger.The entire CONCEPT of a kamehameha is to do that. The entire concept of ki techniques and flight in the franchise does that.Also being so good you only damage what you want to damage is as basic of a concept in eastern storytelling (and honestly even western one) as the sun hurting vampires is to us.
>>578256009I get that, but there are ways to tell a Dragon Ball story where Goku isn't the main focus that still works. I liked Superhero making Piccolo its main character with him and Pan having lots of fun moments.>>578256103I think that's the thing a number of fan works fail to get, a "next generation" character still needs to have something that can draw upon some character-based comedy. Goku's more simple outlook can still draw some laughs when it's not overplayed. Gohan's nerding out being adjusted to include martial arts could be one way to satisfy that.>(Not gonna lie, it's so heartwarming to me he made into Super Robot Wars, dude is in paradise twice over)I like that 30 actually tied that in with Gridman's stuff, with him recognizing Akane was both from his original world and also like him, as a result trying to reach out to her and save her as much as the cast of her own series. Ryusei being able to nerd out with him was great too.
>>578256716Anon, you had Yamcha doing Sokidans all the back in OG DB. What is a Sokidan if you need a controlled ball of energy you keep in a specific shape and move around while not letting it just expend and blow up on the first obstacle?
>>578251785He likes the idea of them more than anything.>Gast acts nothing like Nail>Bojack is even more evil somehow and is some Freeza experiment>Raichi has a very different personality and powers>King Cold is odd because his body is wanked, but Cold himself is cucked out of his own potential by Ginyu... Who acts nothing like Ginyu and sounds like Cold>Bra is an OC and everything wrong about how Salagir views saiyans >>578254068>There's also the deeply bizzare Luud fight where they gotta defeat him from the inside because Goku just refuses to ever go anything higher than ss1I don't think Goku even tried to go SS1 against Luud.
>>578256950>Also being so good you only damage what you want to damage is as basic of a concept in eastern storytellingWe're told several times you're not supposed to point your ki attacks at the earth, though. Both Vegeta and Goku are forced to push their attacks upwards to not blow it up. There's not really any magical ki control mechanism that keeps you from blowing up the earth, it's just that anything less than your mega super duper ultra attack isn't treated as threatening to the earth in the first place.>>578257071Anon i'm not contesting the existence of Ki control, i'm contesting the idea that this is essentially the 100% canon reason as to why random ki blasts don't blow up the earth and not just a vague extrapolation used to justify something no one thought about because blowing up planets makes for bad coreography
>>578257186the number of times in GT that Goku holds back for absurd reasons are really grating, especially in the Shadow Dragon arc
>>578257047>but there are ways to tell a Dragon Ball story where Goku isn't the main focus that still worksYeah, I agree, my point was never that it was some impossible thing. I'm just satisfied with what we got and if I had to chose between a 'Better Gohan become the MC' and 'Better Goku is still the MC', I'm picking the later.>I like that 30 actually tied that in with Gridman's stuff, with him recognizing Akane was both from his original world and also like himYup, people generally say 30 is on of the weaker entry on that front but honestly I feel the characters play off each others well, Majestic Prince was the only I felt where they kinda just stayed in their corners and didn't really interact in so much as it was more just the other characters reacting to what they did between themselves / their plot rather than participating in it.>Ryusei being able to nerd out with him was great too.Man, I wish they had integrated the old SRW OGs better / more like V and X. The DLC dudes too (Chirico's robot might have been weak as shit but fuck, they did a GREAT job portraying him as an absolute BEAST of a pilot in his attack animations, his initial ultimate is so cool).I love the SRX, almost as good as the Granvang.Edge was cool in 30 but honestly the Huckebein 30 and 30th were meh at best compared to the other OG / MC mechs.
>>578254975Vegeta's fine. Just give him a divorce from fucking Goku. They don't need to be up each other's asses constantly. They weren't in Z.
>>578257630To be fair, a lot of that can be chalked up to Goku being straight up fucking gone for most of Z. If we want vegeta's freedom we must delete goku for a while again. While I think that's fine I think we can all admit that's never happening
>>578257201>We're told several times you're not supposed to point your ki attacks at the earth, though.Well yeah, cause a hole in the earth is bad even if you don't detonate and they point attacks down all the time with no issue when they are in a position to keep control of them.>There's not really any magical ki control mechanism that keeps you from blowing up the earth,Yes, there is, that's what ki is all about.>it's just that anything less than your mega super duper ultra attack isn't treated as threatening to the earth in the first place.Freeza in ROF literally push against the ground and the planet blows up.Freeza blew up a planet with 1 finger and no strain.Goku punch through King Kai's planet that's 10 times denser than Earth.Beerus one tap a planet in half and sneeze another one out of existence.Super Buu casually swatted an attack through the planet.Goku bitch slapped a casual attack that went on to blow up a planet.Broly just unamed ki blast a planet.Piccolo casually unamed blast the moon.That's simply not true.
>>578257630I don't want Goku to step out for Vegeta's sake so no, put his ass on vacation.>>578257201>something no one thoughtToriyama thought about it since ki control is there.>because blowing up planets makes for bad coreographyThus Toriyama (and basic logic because why use an attack where only 0.00001% of the energy you put into it would actually touch your enemy?) coming up with ki control.
>>578257708>While I think that's fineWhy? The solution to too much Vegeta isn't 'Even more Vegeta but without Goku this time'.
>>578256716>It's honestly weird to me how the Ki control stuff is accepted as basically direct canon despite nothing like that ever having had been brought up in the series.We have pic related and Goku said that if he wasn't holding back against against Chappa he would've killed him. Characters are impossibly good at controlling ki, and somehow they don't create earth shattering shockwaves. It works on cartoon logic and it's for the best too.
>>578258052>It works on cartoon logic and it's for the best too.I mean that's what i'm saying. Ki isn't this strict powersystem that works off of well defined eastern shit it can just generally do whatever it needs to do for whatever coreography toriyama wants it to do and that's perfectly fine.
>>578257186>Who acts nothing like Ginyu and sounds like ColdExtra weird because at the start, King Cold WAS acting like himself and doing underhanded cowardly shit like he tried with Trunks.>>578257315The weird money planet pissed me off for that very reason.
>>578257503>I'm just satisfied with what we got and if I had to chose between a 'Better Gohan become the MC' and 'Better Goku is still the MC', I'm picking the later.Entirely fair.>Yup, people generally say 30 is on of the weaker entry on that front but honestly I feel the characters play off each others well, Majestic Prince was the only I felt where they kinda just stayed in their corners and didn't really interact in so much as it was more just the other characters reacting to what they did between themselves / their plot rather than participating in it.Honestly out of the whole recent international games (V, X, T, 30, Y) I would still say 30 is the weakest entry, but not that I hated it. It just dragged on at places and lacked focus, things Y fixed up pretty well. There were still a lot of really hype moments in it, like the buildup to Guy coming back, or Amuro, Koji, and Ryoma being old pals, or how they were able to work in some "sequence breaks" and actually address them, like with the later Rayearth cast being able to be recruited earlier.>Man, I wish they had integrated the old SRW OGs better / more like V and X. The DLC dudes too (Chirico's robot might have been weak as shit but fuck, they did a GREAT job portraying him as an absolute BEAST of a pilot in his attack animations, his initial ultimate is so cool).>I love the SRX, almost as good as the Granvang.The DLC characters only getting their minor missions and not really getting much after them was still something I'm mildly disappointed over. On the other end, Y actually gave each of their DLC groupings an interconnected story, though at the cost of some of them getting no lines until near the end of the game (especially notable for the VTX crew). Even that got fixed up a bit with the last DLC; fucking Crowe immediately falling into debt again.>Edge was cool in 30 but honestly the Huckebein 30 and 30th were meh at best compared to the other OG / MC mechs.Az was my pick, but agreed.
>>578258192>it can just generally do whatever it needs to do for whatever coreography toriyama wants it to do and that's perfectly fine.I think you're misunderstanding what people are saying because that's also what people are saying when they talk about ki control. It's not some incoherence, it's just something that ki can do IN THE STORY.It's not like Superman where there's 0 reason for why Doomsday doesn't blow up the planet with every punch.
>>578258261>and doing underhanded cowardly shit like he tried with Trunks.I wonder how people square the circle of assuming king cold has more forms and is actually super strong but also tried to weaken trunks and steal his sword through trickery.
>>577990235Retconning what should be an ordinary 1,000+ PL Saiyan who's below Raditz and Nappa with no real knowledge on martial arts and insert him into Goku's inspiration as someone Goku needs to learn from in order to win despite being infinitely more experienced and stronger than Bardock ever was is shit writing.Goku trained with the best martial artists the world had to offer, and then some in the afterlife. He learned so much and honed his mind to the extent that God asked him to replace him. He basically can do anything martial arts related. He has obscure knowledge that nobody alive probably has, like Metamoran fusion. He accepted his Saiyan heritage and became the Super Saiyan in Namek, fulfilling the legend and defeating Freeza while still condemning them and saying they deserved to get wiped out. He's basically the absolute peak of Saiyan power. Vegeta might be as strong as him and Broly has higher potential, but they will never truly surpass Goku just from the sheer fact on being the most skilled warrior in Dragon Ball. That's also why starting from the Android arc onwards, Goku has no symbol on his dougi anymore; he's his own master. His character arc more or less pretty much ended after he beat Freeza. And this is good writing too, because he feels like a protagonist living out a long epilogue. Super had to change that and dumb Goku down to make it seem like he still had lots to learn, because it's harder to write a finished character and Dragon Ball is a long-running, never-ending franchise, so writers need new flaws to create fresh conflicts.But we're supposed to accept that a retarded barbarian that never achieved anything of note is the one teaching Goku to "not give up in a fight!"Fuck Super.
>>578258387I mean to be fair with the doomsday example it does get kind of weird when bringing up stuff like (super) broly being such a nice guy and reinging in his ki control so he doesn't destroy the planet accidentally during his rampage.
>>578258295>Honestly out of the whole recent international games (V, X, T, 30, Y) I would still say 30 is the weakest entry, but not that I hated it.Yeah, I completely agree, I'm just saying that despite being the weakest entry, it had stuff I really liked that.>or how they were able to work in some "sequence breaks" and actually address them, like with the later Rayearth cast being able to be recruited earlier.I like how they even managed to work in the Britannia Empire and Lelouch's world peace thing with the 'Miraculous Year' and why Britannia could basically take over the world despite the EFF being a thing.>The DLC characters only getting their minor missions and not really getting much after them was still something I'm mildly disappointed over.Same but those missions are pretty cool at least. Like seriously, the first time you meet Valdor and see he's called 'The Machine God of Light' and you laugh because it's so early in the game, you think he's gonna be a push over despite his final boss looks.And then you see he has fucking 50K HPs.>On the other end, Y actually gave each of their DLC groupings an interconnected story, though at the cost of some of them getting no lines until near the end of the game (especially notable for the VTX crew). Even that got fixed up a bit with the last DLC; fucking Crowe immediately falling into debt again.Haven't played Y yet but I heard it's basically a better 30.>Az was my pick, but agreed.Fair, she's cute.
>>578258590>it does get kind of weird when bringing up stuff like (super) broly being such a nice guy and reinging in his ki control so he doesn't destroy the planet accidentally during his rampage.That's the point of the movie tho, Broly despite his rampages doesn't want to kill anyone. Cheelai even spells it out.The novelization even make it clearer by straight saying that whenever Freeza stops moving, Broly stops attacking him during the 1 hour beatdown.
>>578258261>Extra weird because at the start, King Cold WAS acting like himself and doing underhanded cowardly shit like he tried with Trunks.I can only think of him challenging Bra to not go super saiyan. I can't remember any other situation where he's acting underhanded... I guess when he punched Bardock when Vegetto returned counts? Him being underhanded is so rare that in the Special where Goku teleported to Earth to deal with Freeza and him, Cold was SMILING after Goku killed Freeza.>>578258404Multiverse even claims Trunks killed Cold too fast for him to try transforming, when Trunks was messing around with Cold like he was playing with his food...
>>578258404I don't know, I don't share that retarded headcanon and always thought people who believed it were dumb or at least weirdly attached to pretend their fanfic has a basis in canon.
>>578258918>Trunks killed Cold too fast for him to try transformingDidn't they have a whole conversation? You would never attack during a transformation anyway that's poor shounen etiquette, trunks would never he's been raised right
>>578258918>Multiverse even claims Trunks killed Cold too fast for him to try transformingI really hate how retards assume transformations are something that's easy to interrupt in DB. The ONLY transformation we KNEW couldn't have been done without the opponent letting it happen was Freeza going 100% and it was in the context of Freeza just generally being unused to going all out in general AND Goku being so much stronger than him, he could floor him at any time instantly, including AFTER the transformation.
>>578259185>The ONLY transformation we KNEW couldn't have been done without the opponent letting it happen was Freeza going 100%Semiperfect cell too, if you want to count that
>>578259294Fair but they kinda failed AND it was an 'acquire exterior power up' type transformation. When Super Perfect Cell rolls around, nobody could stop that from occurring even if they had been in the afterlife.
I guess if you want to shitpost a little bit you can argue Shin let buutenks happen by not warning anyone that buu can absorb people because toriyama hadn't thought about giving buu that ability until later
I want it so bad but blowing 500 STP on a jpg just doesn't feel right!
>>578258295>>578258773Also Dancouga looks cool and basically had a free 2 turn every turn when maxed but I didn't like its attacks in 30. The pilots are neat tho.
>>578259078>Didn't they have a whole conversation?Yes.>You would never attack during a transformation anyway that's poor shounen etiquette, trunks would never he's been raised rightTrunks tried to interrupt Cell when he was going perfect, but Cell simply erected a barrier.>>578259185>The ONLY transformation we KNEW couldn't have been done without the opponent letting it happen was Freeza going 100%Freeza also took a really long time to go from his third to his final form, which's like at minimum 20 seconds even in shonen time (Krillin nearly kills Vegeta, Dende refuses to heal Vegeta, Dende heals Piccolo, they convince Dende to heal Vegeta, Dende flies to heal Vegeta), but it follows the same logic of Freeza not being used to his power, and everyone was too weak to interrupt him anyway... We also have Goku screaming at Gohan to attack Buu before he finishes absorbing Gotenks and Piccolo, so at least it's suggested (And Gohan did nothing).
>>578259610Damn, it's pretty good.Can't you save edit it in?>>578259589To be fair, Nahare's plan was to have Buu not be freed at all.>>578259817I think absorption is different from just transforming, it's more like an attack so of course you get a chance to defend yourself.
>>578259872>To be fair, Nahare's plan was to have Buu not be freed at all.Well sure but you'd think he'd bring it up at some point after buu had been released. Especially since they were straight up sending Gohan to fight buu and they had him just sitting there for 24 hours
>>578259872Not on >PS5 unfortunately
If you want an incoherence in DB, rather than collateral damage autism (that BOG had almost mocked by showing SSJG Goku having such a mastery, they fight in the middle of a city without breaking a thing), it'd how the cast still can't survive in space. You'd think they'd have come up with a counter for that given how often it's used against them.
>>578260037I assume it's a choreography thing. They really want their fights to be terrestrial for mountain blowing up reasons or something I guess. You cant drag Goku through a glacier in space. (I mean comets exist but lets be real)
>>578012285>>Super Hero where he doesn't know what meditation is, and Vegeta telling him what's up with Jiren, when Goku should've realized that firstI fucking hate that scene so much, because the writer has to undermine Goku as a martial artist to make fucking Vegeta look smart for doing something Goku already learned ages ago. The most damming thing about that scene is that it's actually a good scene, IF it came from Goku's mouth and NOT Vegeta. Because this scene ties back to the Android arc where Goku rejects the SSJ variants in favor of just SSJ to the point where it's almost like his base form as well as Boo arc where Toriyama has been actively shitting on transformations when he made it a point that when trained hard enough, one's base form is the strongest like with Gohan's Potential Unleashed. SSJ3 has been deliberately garbage in fights along with God and Blue; they're supposed to NOT be good because it's a hurdle rather than an improvenent.That's why Goku stopped transforming during EoZ because he took what he saw from Gohan. Jiren is the natural conclusion on that. DB fans like to talk about how Jiren is a genetic freak because they've been kind of conditioned on thinking that but the truth is, that Jiren wasn't using some crazy thing to beat Goku and Vegeta. Their physical bodies are actually maxed out like his and have been so for a long time, Jiren just used his power better and more effectively than them by not staying in a strained transformed state like they do. They need to use their base forms more efficiently.Super could have been great if the story was actually a criticism on Goku and Vegeta's way of fighting where they have been using forms to brute force their way against opponents rather than actually getting better at fighting. The story even actively punishes the two Saiyans by making it harder if they want to defeat an opponent like Broly through sheer power by requiring fusion instead of skill like with Ultra Instinct.
>>578260163Just drag him through a sun then.
>>578260391>DB fans like to talk about how Jiren is a genetic freakThey do? Did they even watch the show? He started out weak as shit as a direct parallel to Goku.I disagree that there is a 'maxed out' state in DB at all honestly.
>>578260037Something I personally find minorly incoherent a couple times is when suddenly Ki sensing seems to stop existing when a protagonist needs to comically underestimate an opponent like when Goku and Vegeta underestimate kid buu when he first appears. Gohan also seems to think Fat Buu isn't shit at all when he appears either. They clearly have Ki to sense so it's kind of weird.
>>578260638That's cause some enemies can suppress their ki and don't really give off much ki until they start flexing it.Buu is especially a special case cause Toriyama said even Buu has no clue how strong he really is so if he's at max or not at any given time is almost arbitrary.
>>578260746Given that Cell spent essentially the entire saga doing exactly that you'd assume they would be much more on guard for enemies doing exactly that but no, we must laugh. Fat buu I can kind of forgive by that point because they didn't know what he was yet but they had no excuse for kid buu (especially since both Frieza and Vegeta were both midgets)
>>578260638>Something I personally find minorly incoherent a couple times is when suddenly Ki sensing seems to stop existing when a protagonist needs to comically underestimate an opponent like when Goku and Vegeta underestimate kid buu when he first appears.That's nothing compared to characters forgetting they can sense ki when there's a smokescreen.
>>578261046You'd also think that more people would pick up on how Cell's Ki didn't drop at all after the final flash like when Goku did after the warp kamehameha but that's more of a nitpick
>>578261174He's got 18 and 17's energy drives so those can't be sensed, no?
>>578260886>but they had no excuse for kid buuMy headcanon is that fusing with Vegeta made Goku become as retarded as Vegeta. It explains why he's suddenly talking like a jobber.
>>578261246As said, Goku explicitly senses that Cell didn't lose much Ki to the warp Kamehameha, and Kami was able to sense him as well.
>>578261246Also it's funny to me how both DB and SRW have tech-based infinite energy / perpetual motion energy sources / reactors.And both only use them for some kind of robots.
>>578261246He has normal ki and it's sensed multiple times.
>piccolo has babidi dead to rights and is standing right behind him>starts monolouging so babidi knows he's there and is going to kill himPiccolo still got him there but he's really fucking lucky that he didn't throw up a barrier in time or something what was he DOING
>>578261441Wait, no one told Goku about Cell's regeneration before the Cell Games? What the fuck?
>>578261573Maybe it's a translation thing, but the "Oh yeah" indicates he knew but forgot, which can be forgivable if he never personally saw it and only heard of it... Plus even with regeneration, he blew up Cell's head...
>>578237303>I do think that Dragonball has its autists.Uh yeah no shit man.That's not exactly a hot take.>>578239357Her name is Vegina.
Reminder it wasn't until fucking GT forced Vegeta back into the story for the sake of gaining views that suddenly the fanbase decided Vegeta must get every form Goku got, games started coming up with super saiyan 3 Vegeta, when Goku got god, Vegeta complained he'd get it next, then next movie he immediately has blue, then when goku gets blue with kaioken toei gives him blue evolved to compensate, then when goku gets ultra instinct, the nature of the form being based in martial arts is so out of character for vegeta rather than let Goku go leaps and bounds away from him, Toyotaro came up with ultra ego and the fanbase lapped it up even through the form was a fraud, he lost every single fight with it and toriyama did not see fit to have vegeta use it in the brawl of saiyans before he died AND he canonized super saiyan 4 without Vegeta ever being able to obtain it because the days of make a wish forms are over, BUT he was kind enough to canonize a super saiyan 3 for himso think about that, in canon Vegeta peaks at super saiyan blue while goku has super saiyan 4 and Ultra Instinct , they are not equals unless Toei and Toyotaro make a new arc and force an ultra instinct Gogeta/Vegito or an ultra ego Gogeta/vegito or force a super saiyan 4 and ultra ego Vegetafuck this fucking shit Dragonball canon and passion ended with Cell, Buu was just a shit post, Toriyama stopped caring and made it pretty clear but stupid gajins pissed him off and money made him craft up all these make a fan fic forms in red, blue, pink, green, monkey, silver and gold, black, orange and purple I'm not giving him a pass just cause he's dead, he knows what he didgod i'm ust so angry lately
I didn't see SS3 Vegeta until RB1, Budokai 3 literally skipped 3
>>578268208>came up with ultra egoHe stole that shit from fandom theories based on that one scene from the anime where Vegeta tried to go UI and fucks it up cause he can't stop thinking.
>>578207761I don't think so, a lie is a dishonest statement and you can be honest even about false information
>>578270531Vegeta said he was the strongest in the universe and he damn well knew he wasn't
>>578270678That's true, but I will grant him that he was at least the strongest known person outside Cold's clan
>>578270845>but I will grant him that he was at least the strongest known person outsideWeaker than Cui, Zarbon, Dodoria and all the Ginyus + a bunch of other Zarbon and Dodoria tier dudes
>>578271718He is 50% stronger than Ginyu as a natural Great Ape
>>578271849That's only theoretical, dependent on factors he can't control and literally anyone above his base would easily take out his tail or the moon.
>>578272027Well we're not talking only vs matches here, Vegeta is the strongest combatant in Freeza's army if deployed in favourable conditions and I can kinda see why he exaggerates that to "strongest in the universe"
>>578272098That's a massive cope, even for Vegeta.
bejiitabros........
>>578272281They do get energy, and Goku does claim he's using full power to end the fight quickly to prevent Boo from being awakened through their energy, but then he just doesn't and it happens anyway
>>578272281I already posted it, you're late
>>578272376They need untainted raw energy. Babidi's servants can't give energy because they're tainted. They can't take energy from the Kais because god ki doesn't work either.
>>578272613Boo does get massive energy from the fight and that's why he awakens, the rest isn't specified
>>578272726Then why doesn't Dabura just let Babidi succ him with the energy pot each day until Buu is revived?
>>578272858Idk but your interpretation makes sense, I'm not disagreeing with that, just the Goku vs Vegeta fight does provide energy. It's completely plausible it only comes from Goku
>>578272942A weak Super Saiyan 2 Gohan filled up Buu's energy halfway and Goku was a lot stronger.
How I feel being the one sperg telling Azur Lane to collab with DB after every survey.
>>578273126Goku's strongest soldier
fusions 2
>>578280773Tell people to stop playing the moba so that the devs are free, and then we can talk.
>>578252835Matoi Risu has lost the plot
>>578258582Kodomified franchise
>>578251651>>578251785Nothing wrong with the Nail vs Recoome fight or super Namekian using Nail as a base. I don't think Nail got lots of love in DBM, if he did then you'd see hints of him in Gast.
>>578284195>Tell people to stop playing the mobai don't even need a reason to do that
>>578254068>>578254393>>578253907I remember MistareFusion shitting on the manga fights because he "doesn't care about mindless fighting" while praising GT fights for their revolutionary ideas and storytelling lmao.>But you see Goku is hiding in sewers before doing the Ki blasts, surely that holds more value than Toriyama's genius choregraphyAre all Kanzenshuu faggots like him?
>>578261306Buu had powered down from his Super Buu AND Kid Buu muscle states. Goku getting cocky for 5 seconds is fine
>>578268208Buu was way better than Cell though
>>578272613Source for that? I've never seen that
>>578285463Why do you say that?>>578286382The only thing I know about MistareFusion is 1: His trash 'animations' and 2: He trooned out.
>>578289603He's taking his funny little comics way too seriously now and actively disregards when there are actual explanations for these "plot holes". Like the one where Piccolo calls out Goku for nor trying to kill Buu with his remaining 30 minutes of Earth time.
>>578289913>He's taking his funny little comics way too seriously nowOh, I thought those were just silly jokes, not actual reddit tier whining about the story.
UE is gonna hit teen normies like crack once it gets animated, prepare yourself for shitty edgy shirts and pics with UE Vegeta replacing Majin Vegeta just like you get mexican taquerias with SSB Goku instead SS now
>>578290382It's funny cause he loses in all three instances shown in that art, with the middle one being especially humiliating with him basically crying in terror by the end.
>>578290382>>578290795Also that UE was SO drawn by a fujoshi.
>>578290151They were always a bit ambivalent but he seems to take them seriously nowadays
>>578291780That's a shame. That explains why they have more and more text.
>>578286382>Are all Kanzenshuu faggots like him?I remember the resident troon making a thread about reading the manga, and he liked that Viz made everyone not call Cell by any pronouns (Which's really weird because they call him "it"), and something about "Cell being genderless", which the other members were supportive of it, with one saying something like "I can see that! Cell considers himself so perfect he goes beyond gender!". So yes, faggots.
>>578289603>The only thing I know about MistareFusion is 1: His trash 'animations' and 2: He trooned out.He had mostly decent Dragon Ball retrospective videos where he'd dissect some autistic in-depth details like a Kanzenshuufag would (which is kind of the appeal) but then he started shitting more and more on things for no reason and praising things that didn't really deserve it as part of his agenda or "sensibilities" if you will.Basically fighting is a boring waste of time, Vegeta is an insufferable dick who ruins everything, FUCK YOU for Majin Vegeta it was horrible but actually we needed more Videl and Pan, these are the real important characters who deserved more development and screentimeAnd another funny one, "Vegeta's number 1 speech against Kid Buu was ALL a joke because when Vegeta tells Goku to stop holding back Goku reveals he was already at full power". Yeah, he thinks that.
>>578294057>Basically fighting is a boring waste of time,I remember when you had faggots praising FMA because 'the fights are short, unlike dragon ball' and they all turned out to be woke tourists who hated anime.>Vegeta's number 1 speech against Kid Buu was ALL a jokeLiterally how? That's one of THE most serious dialogue / speech in the entire franchise
>>578295835Except Dragon Ball (the manga) has short fights in the first place. Much shorter than most shonen around nowadays.>Literally how? That's one of THE most serious dialogue / speech in the entire franchiseBecause of this page. I shit you not
Do Kibitio and Shin just have better Ki sensing than everyone else, for some reason? Kibitio was able to sense that Shin was still alive and Shin sensed that Gohan was still alive, whereas Goku and the others immediately gave up on them. Then again Ki sensing prowess seems pretty arbitrary given Korin for some reason is the best at sensing
>>578296226Yeah. The only really long fight in DB is Freeza, and even then, Toriyama threw in a few things for it to have more than just Goku and Freeza mindlessly punching each other once Goku turned super saiyan (Goku trying to hold back the restless feeling, Kaio's plan to save everyone, Freeza flying o Porunga and making his wish, Goku trying to leave the fight, the overall sheer intensity of whether or not Goku can survive at all even if he wins).
>>578296880Maybe because Shin knew where Gohan was thrown?
>>578297343I still feel like Goku versus frieza after Goku gets super saiyan is a bit of a long fight even with there being stuff thrown in there to shake things up occasionally. It's really jarring how much punching there are when in most other fights the second the dynamic changes we're onto something else. Like how right after goku pulled off the kaioken assault we're straight into the x4 beam clash and then straight into donkey kong. With Cell we're given very little time with 2 gohan before cell blows himself up and super perfect doesn't overstay his welcome either. full powered freeza does kind of overstay his welcome a bit comparatively. We DO get him blowing up the planet to add some tension with the time limit, obviously. But even then it's still a lot more punching than I would've liked. Everything before that is pretty great though
>>577959817how do I not be fucking useless as survivor in Breakers?
>>578298741For me the fight overall overstays its welcome. Base Goku vs Freeza is 10 chapters long, SS Goku vs Freeza is 11, and it does feel like it's dragging even before Goku goes super saiyan (Goku and Freeza are just messing around initially, Goku realizes how outmatched he is, Freeza just stares at Goku when he's charging genki dama), but I guess Toriyama felt forced to drag this much since Freeza is such a climatic villain (And perhaps to make it longer than the Vegeta fight, that one lasted for 14 chapters). Thankfully he did not want to outdo the Freeza fight in length...
>>578300448imagine
>>578303629why are they so long
>>578303629Ew. This'll always be garbage for me, forced corporation crap.
>>578305781It's extremely sad to me that fortnite style crossovers are basically the only style of crossover left these days. Super Robot Wars is carrying the torch of effortposting crossovers but really that's it
I never realized the full extent of how weird and uncanny UI Goku looked until I saw PedroTx's mod.
>>578310613In a real world we'd have Dimps making a Budokai 4 after a massive demand from the fans. Unfortunately people got cucked into thinking Tenkaichi 3 was some kind of a master class game lol
>>578310613Sparking Zero is disgusting
>>578286382I have seen you make almost this exact post before
>>578312068It's possible, I remember talking about it once.
>>578253907>>578254602It should be understood that making Goku the focus is something that was a bad move beyond a certain point, and Toriyama understood that.Like, look at the manga.>First Hunt For The Dragon BallsGoku is a lead character for the whole run, but balanced out by five new characters.>21st Tenkaichi BudokaiGoku is even more of a focus, but balanced out by a new major character and two returning major characters.>Red Ribbon ArmyGoku time for a large portion of the arc, where Goku drops in somewhere and is faced with a crisis, but Toriyama probably saw this as an issue and brought back Bulma and Trunks for Blue, and later Yamucha and Kuririn for Baba (while making Upa a pseudo-main-character).>22nd Tenkaichi BudokaiGoku is barely really a focus here until his fight with Kuririn, as all the inter-school drama is focused on Tenshinhan vs Yamucha and Chaozu vs Kuririn.>Piccolo DaimaoThe perspective is split between Tenshinhan's group and Goku's group.>23rd Tenkaichi BudokaiAll 8 characters in this tournament are major characters, with only one having a purely Goku-centric connection.>Saiyajin ArcGoku is absent for half the arc.>Freeza arcGoku is absent for probably 3/4s of the arc.>Cell arcGoku is absent/incapacitated/jerking off for a majority of the arc.>Boo arcGoku is being dead for a majority of the arc.And then you go to GT, and it's>Black Star DBsGoku and two others go from planet to planet wherein Goku solves issues.>Baby ArcGoku is incapacitated for a time, but the narrative makes it clear that his story is more significant than everything happening on Earth.>Super 17Goku is in Hell, and that is more important than everything on Earth.>Black Star Dragon BallsGoku and one other person go from city to city wherein Goku solves issues.Goku was rarely a focus because he's always a foil to other characters and is fun to be around. GT makes him the main act and it's fucking lame, Super suffers from the same shit.
>>578296226>Because of this page. I shit you notBruh, that's some bullshit.>Except Dragon Ball (the manga) has short fights in the first place. Much shorter than most shonen around nowadays.Yeah but tourists only care about what they heard about the anime version.
>>578299396Get in a premade.>>578300448Hot.>>578306042Slop crossovers are an insult to the cool shit we used to get.
>>578312934>and brought back Bulma and Trunks for Blue>TrunksBad idea, Blue will flirt with him!https://youtu.be/Kq_9f6cXsw0?t=167
>>57831320460% of people talking about Dragon Ball don't even have the faintest idea of what it is and 30-35% are retarded animeonlies, leaving 5% of people who kinda care at best
>>578312934Generally "Goku Time" is bad, and as DB went on Toriyama used Goku less and less because overdosing the audience on him made him less fun to be around. Having everything revolve around him in GT and Super has made these works far worse. Not saying he can't be the focus, just that other characters need to be around and have their own deal separate from him (even if in the end, they desperately want him around).Take the first arc of GT for example. This COULD work if Trunks and Pan actually had shit to do, but the majority of the time they occupy bit player roles wherein no narrative progression can occur unless Goku is THERE (unless it's Pan getting kidnapped or something).The first "arcs" of DBS work in a way because Goku (and Vegeta in F) are separate from the main group. I think F is still bad, but Kami to Kami is pretty fun in the film and TV anime versions because everyone else is doing their own thing and Goku only shows up to end the film/arc essentially. That's also probably why the last arc is viewed so favorably, since it gives you so much time away from Goku.It's also why Granolah is fucking BORING as like most of the arc is just a parody of everything wrong with DB. Goku, Vegeta, and the villain of the week dicking around on a random planet fighting fighting fighting while NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS.This is also why I like Daima more than GT and DBS. Goku's balanced out pretty well by his cast (even if he does all the fighting, he doesn't know any culture and is limited from just flying to the ending destination), and you get cutaways to the other groups at play.
>>578312934Goku being the main focus for Red Ribbon was kind of an issue, it was a bit annoying at some point. Still a pretty strong arc but it was better when it had enough side characters to breathe.
>>578286382>Are all Kanzenshuu faggots like him?99.9% of the people who post on Kanzenshuu are faggots.The website is ran by king faggot himself.
>>578313674>It's also why Granolah is fucking BORING as like most of the arc is just a parody of everything wrong with DB. Goku, Vegeta, and the villain of the week dicking around on a random planet fighting fighting fighting while NOTHING FUCKING HAPPENS.Granolah arc is Toyotaro writing a Z movie pretty much, and it's about as plotless as one for the most part... And when we do get a plot (Whatever the fuck Bardock did to defeat Gas), it was bad.
>>578314334I think it might even be worse than that because I at least found some enjoyment out of the Z movies. Granolah was straight up GT.
>>578299396Well. What are you doing wrong? Are you dying a lot or do you find yourself not doing anything while the match goes on without you? What skills are you using and how are you using them?
>>578313963Hanasia sisters...they tore down our statue...
>>578286382I mean, I'm ngl, I do enjoy his dissection series.
>>578313963>Saiyans>TrainingGenuine question, what exactly inspired all of this? I don't really remember the lore of this universe much at all
>>578312934>Goku is in Hell, and that is more important than everything on Earth.Really? Super 17 the main boss was literally on Earth and I'd say that was more important than Goku's shenanigans that were there to trap him while Super 17 swiftly conquers the planet.
>>578316495Last I remember Bardock was crowned king after his revolt against Freeza succeeded. Then at some point Hanasia decided to defy Bardock for his throne but needed to go up against a couple of other Saiyans who wanted to be leader too which included Vegeta. Hanasia beat Vegeta and then became queen. Vegeta is, of course, asshurt about this and carries this asshurt for years. At some point an adult Broly returns to Vegeta after having been spared by Bardock earlier on before Freeza's revolt and defies Hanasia for the throne. He kills her effortlessly and becomes king. Vegeta, still asshurt, ascends into SSJ and challenges Broly. They fight and then eventually Vegeta baits Broly into fighting on some toxic planet which eventually winds up killing Broly (lol). Vegeta becomes king. That's all I remember and I'm not sure if Salagir continued the story of this universe before the current special going on
>>578317562That doesn't really explain why vegeta's having everyone train (or why he'd even want them to because that makes them threats) but thanks for the explanation anyways, Saiyan empire wankers are never the people I find to actually care about saiyans as a species that much. we NEED to minimize goku's achievements as much as possible EVERYONE is training as much as possible 24/7
>>578310613Shintani's style doesn't really work well in 3D, especially for characters and forms he didn't draw.
>>578299396What's wrong anon?
On the topic of king vegeta super saiyan, something i've noticed is that no one anywhere acknowledges how Vegeta completely bitched out to frieza and started crying. Bro had his chance to lock in and totally fucked it, I don't see him not bitching out against Broly, the guy who he was so terrified of he couldn't even stand near the guy.
>>578313963>standardLel
>>578318687This isn't really Shintani style, more like "overworked incompetents" style.
>>578313368>Get in a premade.it's hard enough to try and schedule baldurs gate/ I CANNOT get these fuckers on DB:Breakers>>578315332>>578319308I just don't feel like i'm doing anything and that i'm fucking retarded.i'll be running around opening boxes for like 5 minutes trying to find the key then flounder like a moron when the raider finds me.I also have 0 idea on how to get those card things to unlock the skills in the shop and I really want that kaioken move since I see everyone else use it.
>>578315545I did for a time but he turned really insufferable around late Cell arc. Very off
>>578321915what did he say about late cell arc
>>578320553Sounds like you have a combination of a lack of map awareness which you'll just learn with experience and a lack of skills because the gacha is fucking horrible so I don't blame you. If you play enough you'll learn where all the annoying boxes are in areas that will sometimes have the key after you've exhausted every other box in the area. As for the raider. Always try and stay at least over 150 meters away from them because 150 is the cut off for when they can sense you if they're using a raider with that ability i.e. Cell/Zamasu. In the situation where you do get caught, try not to let it be out in a wide open area where you have no grapple options. Also what skills are you using? That can help me get a better idea of what you can do to get away.
>>578320553Also you get more points for setting the key than actually finding one so setting them should be a priority. Not priority over your own safety mind you. If you see the raider lurking pretty close to the key spot either wait until he leaves or don't worry about it and go set another one. If he's camping well that entirely depends on your team because someone will either have to stealthily set it or you'll all have to gang up and gank him for camping but only if you can all reliably get away from him after your change power runs out.
>>578322030Nothing entirely new, a lot of the whining I've mention about but he really amped it up, fuck Vegeta, fuck the fights, Videl shouldn't have retired, the heroes are retards and pieces of shit for wanting to face Kid Buu instead of fusing back into Vegeto again, honor is retarded... After a while it was too annoying and it got worse with Daima dissection. Also he kept fagging it up with his fashion dissection moments, these got longer and longer, just as a way for him to signal he enjoyed women clothes. Showed his face more and more, "subtly".He made a full 25 minutes dissection on Videl vs Spopovich but surprisingly to conclude it was NOT sexist although just barely okay. Kinda funny.
>>578325204There was just kind of no way to do anything with Videl, really. She was way too far behind and the cast was already bloated to all hell. We really don't need even MORE fighters to add to the cast when we can barely give screentime to Goten and Trunks
>>578325383These fanatics don't care. It's more about them than the actual thing they're discussing. They're narcissists.
>>578326138Now I wouldn't say it that far, anon. Wanting everyone to be relavent is just kind of The Thing with dragonball fanposting. Everyone wants Raditz to stay around, everyone wants Tien and Piccolo to be consistently relavent, everyone wants pan to get super saiyan and Chichi to remain a fighter and it just kind of creates this mush where everyone just kind of homogeonizes a bit and Goku loses essentially all of his unique character traits. It's a thing for all shounen to a degree, really.
>>578326357What I said applies specifically to the kind of person I mentioned, not the average "man I wish Tien learned Kaioken" friend. Those that derail the fucking Dragon Ball discussion to shove their face on the screen wearing blonde pigtails wigs and a kiddie dress.
>>578316617Yeah but nothing happening with Super 17 is actually all that important until Goku is there. Everything of note that occurs before Goku shows up is>17 and 17 fuse>Gero dies (again)That's about it
>>578327949Bejita jobs too
>>578328149That's like saying water is wet
>>578328918Yeah but at least it was brief, Granolah arc will waste whole episodes out of it's 12 on that.
>>578315272>Granolah was straight up GT.GT with Z anime pacing in a monthly manga.
>>578316495>what exactly inspired all of this?Nothing in particular with this universe, everyone just trains more in Multiverse for no reason given. Pic related is from another universe (The emperor Vegeta one), and Raditz is giving Schizoku some tips on energy attacks even though Schizoku should know more than him. Emperor Vegeta even got SS2 when logically he shouldn't even bother going beyond SS1, since Schizoku doesn't have SS2.
Any Gekishin leaks for the next characters or anything?
>>578330393Not everyone. Salagir has this idea that Saiyan society has that fighting culture or at least develops it overtime, but that Goten deciding to train again after he got his ass nearly kicked during the majin arc is stupid, non canon and doesn't fit the "new" Dragon Ball vision.
>>578331289This is one of those things that has two camps in the fandom. Either you just go "Oh well Goku and Vegeta enjoy training (ignoring how the latter is doing it specifically with the goal of catching up to goku and explicitly stagnated in cell saga) so all saiyans love doing it!. or "It would be stupid for no one to train despite it giving clear benefits so I'll just have everyone train" I assume salagir is in the latter half because that's RATIONAL
>>578331687These benefits don't matter that much considering they're all insanely powerful anyway so it's more about motivation. And I'm fine with lazy characters, Toriyama wrote lazy Goten and Trunks in his epilogue... But then you give one of these characters a pretty good fight scene where he fights despite being outmatched and helps clutch a victory then decides to improve, this is FINE this is pretty good even and then Salagir just has to cancel it because "we're not in 20 year old shonen anymore". Ridiculous
I do like these minicomics
>>578333903why'd they yassify hanasia
It's out bros https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AStFWK0xNaY
>>578334048Because they really REALLY like this idea of barbarian Saiyans. And it's not wrong, that's mostly what they are in canon, but they go quite overboard with it. Hence "Hanasia", "Goku's mom", queen of Saiyans (got the title by beating up Vegeta by the way, even though Vegeta was stronger than his dad the king as a kid)... fighting while pregnant.
>>578336281>best remodel modeler Sparking Zero has >could get a beautiful piccolo, frieza, broly, etc>but since he lets the polls decide and this fanbase is full of subIQ mouth breathers he only ever makes Goku, Vegeta, their fusions and sometimes GohanIt was like this for his Xenoverse 2 mods as well
>>578336319anon by yassify I meant dolled up, I was mostly joking about how the way she sits combined with how dolled up her face looks
>>578336476Same with XV2 DLC polls.>do you want unique characters you have never had before or do you want goku, goku 2 or vegeta>GOKU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>578268602The anime already had Toppo using a GoD based transformation too. It was just an idea everyone had.
>>578314334>Granolah arc is Toyotaro writing a Z movie pretty muchGranolah was a Toriyama outline too though. Pure Toyotaro is the Moro arc.
I think you guys exaggerate with the whole "no one in the universe trains outside the main cast", remember that Earth has thousands of martial artists that train their whole lives and are sub-Mr. Satan level.
>>578336476>kefla all the way down at 3%it's a sad world we live in
>>578336476I was pissed when he did SS3 and UI/MUI but I guess it was worth it since he did such a good job with them, but why are these retards making him do SS1-2? He's done enough Gokus.
>>578337983I mean, that's still pretty consistent with no one *outside of earth* trains. It's pretty explicit during namek saga that it's considered that your birth powerlevel is just what you're at and that doesn't change a lot
>>578336319I still can't believe they made GOKU'S MOM queen of Saiyans and had her beat up Vegeta. It's like a bad wish fulfilling, self insert fanfiction but it's played completely straight.
>>578339037Hanasia and Gine being as far as possible from eachother in concept as they possibly can be is really funny, though.
>>578338741>>578337983I think it's less "nobody trains" and more "how many people actually turn it into a lifestyle?". Because I can see Ginyu and his buds fighting occasionally, but not developing an actual discipline and all of that shit.
>>578339147I think that's the real thing. It's hard to really imagine just how MUCH Goku and vegeta were constantly training near nonstop for years and years at a time. Having the motivation to keep that kind of intensity up forever would be hard
>>578338741What I meant is that the average Saiyan could train his whole life and the power level increase would only be in the double digits if said training is the equivalent of a regular earthling gym membership
>>578339296There are different levels to it, like, Goku and Vegeta are probably the 0.1%, then you'd have some mostly serious martial artists like Krillin or Yamcha who did their hours (but eventually stopped, sure), you'd have a few others like Videl who are also serious, and below that you could have some who'd occasionally work out but not too much considering they're 90% carried by their genetics like the Ginyus, or even Vegeta back then. And then even lower would be the ones who'd only VERY VERY occasionally do it but for fun only like Frieza.
>>578339141I said it before but Gine shits all over Hanasia so hard it's not even funny
>>578339650>random Raditzlol
>>578339650I'm not even a big fan of Gine. In fact I was pretty averse to her (not so much nowadays, she's cute). But yeah she's fucking Shakespeare compared to this piece of crap.God I hate how they forgot the "whimsy" in Dragon Ball.
And then you have The Strange Case of Son Gohan who seems to have the most fluctuating power level in the universe, losing whole transformations after slacking off for a few months but the becoming stronger than he ver was before if he gets angry
>>578339650so edgy
>>578340186Did Toriyama forget how babies are made?
>>578339650She doesn't even look like a Dragon Ball character.
>>578336319The only one that goes harder with barbarian Saiyans than DBM is Yuliban.
>>578339650>>578339727the contrast fucking kills me, edgy nonsense followed by just Raditz in the corner making sure you know he's here toomost of the actually funny parts of Multiverse are never the ones intended to be funny
>>578339650ORE WA, SUPAH RADITZ-DA
>>578340047>start as ABSOLUTE shitter tier with "unknown rage powers">get dumped innawoods for 6 months>mostly just learn how to terrorize a dinosaur with a sword>get trained for six months by one guy>someone rock up nearly 4* (physically) stronger than Goku after training and fighting for decades with a variety of masters>manage to be one of the three people to survive the battle despite going toe to toe with both enemies and being the only person other than Goku to 1v1 Vegeta>fully healed and able to go to space a month later>while on another planet gets his "potential unlocked" (whatever that means)>jobs a ton but never dies>is once again one of the only people to survive, in fact, if you discount Piccolo who should've died (again), he is the only person aside from Goku to survive the conflict, and Goku missed the majority of it>jerks off for like a year while waiting for Goku>presumably continues to jerk off for three more years in the original timeline, where he is finally THE ONLY PERSON TO SURVIVE THE STRONGEST THREATS THEY HAVE EVER FACED>is the second Super Saiyajin of this timeline despite having never trained seriously on his own >fails to train his only protege as a martial artist (Trunks can kinda use a sword though)>dies, finally>in the main timeline, he "trains" for three years (whatever that means)>does nothing>trains for another year>becomes literally the strongest person in the group (including several full on martial arts masters still in their prime, while Gohan has only had about five years of training overall)>does nothing for seven years>gets molested by an old man who "unlocks his potential" (again)>becomes the strongest (unfused) being in the entire series (ignoring GT and Super)Genuinely, Gohan is some fanfic OC shit but he never does anything
>>578343263I don't blame Gohan in of himself but the fact that you have to rubberband this 4 year old to be competitive with these adults who have been training all of their lives. It was always going to be fucky
Honestly I think Goten and Trunks are way funnier. They haven't had a serious day of training in their life and they're casually strong enough to force Android 18 to disqualify them because she didn't think she could beat them normally.
>>578344678Maybe Gohan was lucky?
>>578345079it's the super saiyan genes>but Vegetadon't think about it
>>578345079>>578346646More S-Cells or something, but logically Trunks shouldn't be THAT different from the Trunks of the future timeline given how close his birth was to the split.I guess Vegeta really is just a better master than Gohan.
When's the next Sparking Zero survey?
>>578347246Vegeta has implied to have never trained Trunks before the budokai, though. So Trunks really is just kind of like that, for some reason
>>578347683Well, Trunks hangs around in the chamber at least
>>578345079>>578346646I'm going to headcanon it as an effect of the increased gravity training.
>>578347565Maybe in october when they give us news
>>578339958>God I hate how they forgot the "whimsy" in Dragon Ball.That's Multiverse's biggest issue, they try to turn it into some grimdark epic tale because the writers are complete hacks.
>>578336476>>578336608Do you think he does the polls on purpose?
I think about Arinsu's colored areolas almost daily.
>>578354979How would you know?>>578344678Nice
>>578337293Toppo's GoD form is completely different from UE (and better), which make UE extra dumb>>578334252Why would Goku give a shit?
>>578355514I've seen them online.
>>578355630That's not Goku, that's KAKAROT (but actually this time, it's Goku but just kind of a generic saiyan who achieves nothing)
>>578326357>remainChichi was never actually a fighter
>>578314334Toyotaro basically like write Z fillers and Z movies, including ending it on a 'none of this will ever matter or be brought up again' like when Vegeta just decide to never use IT again or Granolah goes 'Yeah, I'm just gonna chill here and die in a few months, don't mind me while the DBs that can grant the 'strongest in exchange for lifespan' wish are destroyed forever'.>>578315272GT is basically an overly long Z filler
>>578317562>after his revolt against Freeza succeeded.Which was dumb
>>578317562>That's all I remember and I'm not sure if Salagir continued the story of this universe before the current special going onRaichi killed everyone and then found out during the tournament where Bardock would be hiding in that universe.He also wiped out the Primal Saiyans from that one jobber verse.
>>578319486Salagir loves Vegeta fagging, don't bother.
>>578331289>>578331687Salagir is annoying because everyone trains but training is arbitrarily is either OP or useless.
>>578337983The fandom loves ignoring that the characters are not only martial artists, they are the best martial artists in the history in the universe.They either pretend that it's just basically comics superpowers OR that it's something any brown belt can just decide to train up to.It's kinda like Kengan Omega where 'Official' sports champions are bother jobbers weaklings compared to underground guys but also totally legit beast that could compete actually.
>>578339509>you'd have a few others like Videl who are also seriousVidel's training was basically the absolute elite apex of what the 'normal' world can give you in DB given that she was beating robbers armed with guns as a teenager and was Satan's daughter.Above that, you're running into freaks, Once a Millenia Prodigies and Mystics Grandmaster of Cultivator Bullshit.That's just not something 99.9999% of the population could even imagine to try or fathom even if offered.
>>578339332>would only be in the double digits if said training is the equivalent of a regular earthling gym membershipThat's basically what 99% of the universe and Freeza's army consider training really, or at max, military training and condition.Which is why they don't get the gains magic martial artists do despite also using magic martial arts.
>>578339650Roshi wouldn't say that, he even saw the good and potential in Tenshinhan.Also the idea that Goku received specialized parental training specifically targeting earthlings is hilarious. Saiyans don't care that much about Sky Child, you either make it on your own or you die, ain't nobody preparing you.
>>578358698Remember that Goku's pl 10 ass somehow jumped and killed Roshi and it was offscreened by it happening in a cave
>>578347954That's not surprising, remember how they kicked out Universe 2 because it was the 'Gag universe'? (despite having several non-gag characters like Beelzebub or the DQ heroes).
>>578356147>(but actually this time, it's Goku but just kind of a generic saiyan who achieves nothing)Which is annoying because you'd expect it would be THE universe where he gets to shine as a saiyan.>>578358817I actually didn't even know that, I dropped DBM long before that special. Which is a shame cause Kakarot's backstory on Earth was the only interesting thing about the 'Super Saiyan Universe'.
>>578359478>you'd expect it would be THE universe where he gets to shine as a saiyan.As shown in that one panel, everyone's always gigatraining under hyper mega super gravity. Which was the thing Goku pioneered after his training with King Kai, so he just becomes another one of the homogeneous sludge because everyone's training. As brought up earlier this isn't a DBM exclusive problem but one generally endemic to all Dragonball fanfiction because there aren't really that many distinct powersets and everyone's funneled into the same regime of training to git gud
>>578359642I think it's dumb, if Goku was only good because nobody else trained, he'd be a pretty shit MC. DBM is just being dumb.
>>578359642>>578360048Like seriously, that Goku would have an entire universe to learn from AND a dad with future sight to direct him to all the 'fortuitous encounters' needed to be a proper main character.Is Sai really the only manga that understood that a Saiyan Goku would create his own luck?
>>578360048not that no one else trained per se, but Goku's always got the most effective way of training that everyone else has to play catch up with. Most fics do away with this and everyone's on the same playing field, so Goku doesn't get to do much. Granted Multiverse has the weird problem of entirely sidestepping Ki as a powersystem to just have Magic and Tech be on its level
>>578359642That's because IT MAKES SENSE BUD IT'S ONLY SCIENTIFIC METHODS OF TRAINING
>>578360183>Is Sai really the only manga that understood that a Saiyan Goku would create his own luck?I've generally come to the conclusion that most people don't actually like Goku, specifically. People like that he's strong, he's The Strong Guy. But no one really likes the specific character of Son Goku, and therefore don't put too much stock into representing his character traits, especially if other The Strong Guy's are around
>>578360190Goku doesn't just get handed those ways tho, he find them or come up with them entirely and what works best for Goku isn't gonna work best for everyone (IE Goku doesn't use Vegeta's 400x gravity).
>>578360493Well, they have terrible taste then cause I like Goku.
>>578360521No I absolutely agree with you, anon. I've yet to see a single thing bring up how no one was able to figure out mastered but Goku. Vegeta if left to his own devices would get overconfident with the Grades and eat shit. No one cares. Same thing with what I brought up earlier with no one caring, even outside of Multiverse. That there's really no way Vegeta would get Super Saiyan just by getting mad in a fight as he'd bitch out and cry. Most innovations in training that Goku pioneers are generally seen as "self evident" or "obvious' so they just have everyone figure it out easily as you can see with Gravity Training or Vegeta getting 3 for free because he wants it real bad. If I want to be extra mean you can extend this to Vegito largely just becoming Cell Saga Vegeta 2 because Goku's character is simply not seen as all that important.
>>578360782>I've yet to see a single thing bring up how no one was able to figure out mastered but GokuI think most people (read non-sentient NPCs) are like 'Well, I know that from the story so it's obvious to me in hindsight so of course it's obvious to everyone and every character and Goku deserve no credit!'.
>>578360782>>578361234Also I completely agree, the Super Saiyan Universe only KINDA made sense when everyone was just vanilla SSJ, them having 2 and then 3 is just nonsensical.Good point on Vegeta bitching out and crying before getting SSJ.God, the Vegetto thing is so fucking annoying, he even get treated as Vegeta and Goku is treated as still dead while Vegetto is ONLY with Bulma (as if Chichi would ever give up ANY piece of Goku), all because Salagir didn't have the balls to just have Vegetto get two wives when he's LITERALLY two dudes.
>>578361406Oh and now Vegetto has Mortality Anxiety, so he's outright back to Saiyan Saga Vegeta.
>>578361234To be fair the mastered thing is a little bit weird. In execution it's seemingly so simple that it makes you wonder why Goku didn't bother doing it during the three year gap. My personal headcanon is that super saiyan is largely treated as the final state of what a saiyan can be. You can't train it to be better or get better at it because it's the totality of what a Saiyan is. Honestly as a minor nitpick I would like to see what led Goku and Vegeta to conclude that Super Saiyan can be improved at all because they just kind of say it and it's taken as self evident that it's possible and then they just kinda do it.
>>578361842>In execution it's seemingly so simpleI disagree because what Goku is essentially trying to do is master his own biology to a spiritual level.> it makes you wonder why Goku didn't bother doing it during the three year gap.Probably wasn't at the level where it wouldn't be counter-productive to focus on that rather than something else.
>>578361842>>578362547Also it'd be hard to show HOW they know SSJ can be improved because it's essentially shit that's happening within their own body.
>>578362667I wouldn't think they would have to show it, just having Vegeta remark on how he feels that they're not using super saiyan to its full potential when trunks asks how he knows they can improve super saiyan. Nothing much just like an acknowledgement that Vegeta isn't pulling this out of his ass
>>578362820Fair. It's kinda like Goku said he could 'Feel' there was a SSJ4 and just couldn't unlock it without Neva's help.
>>578363121I think if I were to do something about it I could link it to the fight with 18. Vegeta FELT that super saiyan should be outputting way more power than he was against 18 but it just kept failing him every time so he's going to FORCE it out. Hence, the Grades. Goku doesn't really have that anger or outlook so he's a bit more analytical and can see the flaws in that outlook. just to like spitball off the top of my head
>>578363425Oh, that'd be kino. Kinda like when you throw a punch wrong and you just feel SOMETHING is off so you try to fix it until you do it right and suddenly your punch sounds like a thunderclap against the punching bag.
I like Bergamo because he just absolutely rile up a mob against Goku and Goku is just standing there like that.Almost feel like a dunk against fanfics where Earthlings act like Marvel Civilians.
>>578363776Also how Goku dealt with his giant form is the exact kind of cleverness and skill Goku should have used against Moro and Granolah.
>>578363886The Tournament of Destroyers was honestly fun in general. Buu, Goku, and Gohan's fights were all pretty good. Animation could have been better but in concept it was pretty solid. It annoys me that people only seem to like Gohan when he's on top and being GOAThan because seeing him struggle against his foe in the ToD was fun.
>>578363984Not the tournament of destroyers that's u6v7, the exhibition match. No one talks about this shit ever i'm even forgetting what it's called man.
>>578363984I always liked Gohan as an underdog more. I actually liked when he got completely fucked by Freeza but still had one last 'AAAAAAAAAH!!!' power up to allow Goku to teleport in. Dude was turned into swiss cheese but he stayed ten toes on the ground until he knew help was there. It's more fun to me than just having the bad guy break his hand on him (Yes, I'll forever be mad Toyotaro had Goku be SO retarded, he fumbled a fight where Moro literally broke his hand on his abs).
>>577962489Looks stupid
>>578363984>>578364196Also Furry Sanji vs Buu was just kino in general.
>>578364304Buu fights are so good that not even Toyotaro could fuck it up. Shame he's not allowed to do anything ever because no fun allowed in this house we are a SERIOUS franchise
>>578364374I feel like Toriyama just had trouble with defining Buu's capabilities enough to make him a regular good guy fighter since he was pretty attached to Buu as an 'anything goes' opponent.
>>578364672The thing is something like the ToP would've been perfect for Buu. The rules don't actually require you to kill him, all you have to do is push him out of the arena and he's gone so his regen doesn't matter. You could argue his healing would kind of fuck the stakes but just take him out early enough that it doesn't matter
>>578364865True, true but you run into the issue of Buu just mass chocolating all the weaklings at once.But it's Buu, he could just decide...not to.
>>578365930I wouldn't exactly call Buu much of a rational fighter. He tends to only really pull out candy beam when pushed to the brink and that would count as killing people, as I don't think you're actually still alive as the candy unless you're Vegito.
>>578366034>He tends to only really pull out candy beam when pushed to the brinkHe use it to clean out weakling too tho, that's how he wiped cities of normal humans.>and that would count as killing peopleGood point actually. Anything that feel 'cheaty' or boring can just be veto'd by Zeno anyway.
>>578366150Anyone weak enough to be candy beam fodder is probably just gonna be one of those people that get oneshot off the edge by the rest of the Z fighters so not much would change on that front
>>578364672I think Toriyama realizes just how overwhelming Buu is, so in general he doesn't want to deal with writing him in the plot.>He's as useless as everyone else in BoG because Beerus is too strong>In RoF he would kill the tension of anyone getting hurt unless Freeza dealt with him>Nobody in Tournament of Destroyers besides Hit would be capable of doing anything to him>Few fighters in ToP would match his power, and he'd solve the stamina issues very easily>The tension of Super Hero's ending where characters have to choose how to use the last senzu just wouldn't exist because of his healing>Daima's traveling issues could be solved by him simply turning people into candy, eating them (non-lethaly), and flying around>He'd also match up to Gomah more than anyone else besides super saiyan 3s and 4s>He also could heal anyone with stamina issues if he were to stop fighting (Dende could also do that but they forgot)Plus, there's a very clear interest in prioritizing human characters, since jobbers like Tien and Roshi were brought along for RoF and ToP, but not Goten and Trunks, and Roshi even got massive buffs despite being little more than a relic who can't keep up with even the humans in OG. RoF also inexplicably had Krillin go fight instead of 18 despite her being a million times stronger than him, and she's not a pussy like Krillin in the anime version.
>>578366935You know Toriyama would've never written these shitty dialogues
>>578367267I actually considered against sending this because of Jaco's dialogue... Toyotaro has a horrible fucking habit of writing the most obvious things imaginable and call that a joke. Jaco in particular was really annoying in this arc because that's all he did ("Silver hair? That's new in my book! *Laugh track*"). Pic related's first correction was actually funny, and learning that it was a Toriyama correction is when I realized Toyotaro doesn't have a funny bone.
