Lessons in Love General #10This general is for the discussion of the adult English visual novel Lessons in Love, where you take over as the teacher for a class of 20 students trying to make their way through life. BEWARE: There is a lot of sex.>Game linkshttps://djnostyle.itch.io/lessons-in-love (It's free!)https://subscribestar.adult/selebus>ToolsGuide mod (get this!): https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-progress-and-guide-mod-v0-57-0-cckerberos.106973/Font patch (get this! drag into folder to fix error symbols in the backlog): https://pastebin.com/Ygj3t9h9Automod (transforms the game from sandbox to fully linear): https://f95zone.to/threads/lessons-in-love-autovn-mod-linear-mod-v0-59-0.221087/Flowchart: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11fllvDn805bE_8JOl7TKOTM40O6LJnkN/viewURM (for editing values): https://0x52.dev/mods/Universal-Ren-Py-Mod-1000Puzzle guide: https://attachments.f95zone.to/2025/11/5442808_Lessons_in_Love_Resets.txt>Community worksWiki (includes translations for hex/etc): https://lessonsinlove.wiki/Fanart: https://www.lessonsinlovegame.com/galleries/fan-art/>FAQQ: The world is broken and I can't progress! What do?A: That's intentional. Try to work out how to progress, or check the puzzle guide if you really can't figure it out.Q: Is there any way to find scenes easier? I keep getting lost.A: The guide mod in the tools section will show exactly what scenes are available and how to get them at any given time. It's highly recommended. You can also use URM to raise the affection/lust values of characters if you get tired of grinding them.Q: What kind of /vn/ is this, exactly?A: It's a sprawling, 3-million-word long harem dating sim with an emphasis on slice-of-life comedy and romance that at times dips into denpa (schizo) themes and slowly unfurls a grander narrative as a web of drama forms between the cast. Play the start and you'll soon see what's up.Q: Next big update when?A: 9/1/26Previous thread: >>576611675
Niki love
>>578096273If there were someone keeping track of "world firsts" you could make a funny meme out of this.Niki Nakayama was the #10 thread girl!Niki Nakayama was the first side character to get an OP!Niki Nakayama was the first girl with pink hair to get an OP!Niki Nakayama was the first adult woman to get an OP!
>>578096168Cute catgirl Niki.
5,000 yo representation next
>>578097746You all have a week to bring this thread the mightiest loli feet
thanks for the new thread, and thank you for this general, I would not have found this game otherwise and I am very much enjoying it so far.
>>578101780Anything to spread the good word. LiL is one of those games that would be way more popular if only it was better known.
I just learned I can press spacebar instead of clicking to advance the text
>>578102889I tend to use enter
Does anyone know why LiL updated don't show up in the Latest Updates page in F95? Did Selebus ask them to shadow ban his game from there?
>>578104292He put loli porn in the care packages (and now game), then tried to get the game mass-reported for violating F95's rule against loli content. The logic was sound, but he made the error of being too honest, if he had just put loli content in and said nothing about it then the banning may have come naturally. Instead, the mods obviously became aware that he was trying to subvert them by putting loli content in the game "just" to get it banned from F95, so they made a special exception to shadowban the game but keep the thread up.
>>578104654Wait theres loli content in this?
Finally caught up on the update and one thing I'm wondering is why Makoto didn't just get Maki to bring up timeloops to her friends/strangers to prove how screwy the world is? Would've worked a lot better than getting testimonials from other teenage girls anyway
>>578104820In the DLC care packages mainly, yeah. That was his strat. Put it in DLC, DLC gets uploaded to the thread, thread gets banned.
>>578105052Why would she go around asking people about some shit she's already convinced is crazy?
What does flagging my save as a cheater actually do? I kinda want to cheat to get to the h scenes faster
>>578105979It will erase all of your affection/lust points at the start of Chapter 3 and force you to start over. If you want to cheat you should just use URM to give yourself like 100 affection and lust for every character with it.
>>578105979I wouldn't use any cheat other than the safe "allcharactersare18+" one.
>>578106576What does that one do? Just make them all actually 18+?
>>578105339I wonder how much will end up in the main game and not locked as bonus content behind the wizard spell, it kind of got there in her last event.
>>578106750There's some "wizard" content (two phone messages later on) that you can't see unless you use it. I assume there will be more things like that in the future as well.
>>578106750Activates Wizard Mode, so you can see phone messages/bonus animations at the computer involving 5,000 year old wizards.
>>578106985If you are in the wizard routes, you'll get wizard content in the main game. Otherwise you'll get Connor, the God of Cut Content laughing at you.
>>578107389I knew that, I was just curious going forward what will be locked behind the code and what will just need you on the route.
Continuing to lose myself in Ami's love before the next update.
>>578108138Ami is so cute
>>578108208I love how jealous she gets when Sensei invites other girls over
>>578108208I want to spend eternity with her.
I can't tell how much of the Ami love in these threads is kayfabe and how much is genuine, given everything she's done in chapter 4.
>>578111945You mean given how much she has helped Sensei out like a loving daughter should?
>>578112849not sure how raping Maya really factors into it, but yeah, we can call it that if you want.
>>578113607I wrote something about that in the last thread:>>577179864>>577180024>>577180184
>>578111945It's genuine for me. I could always feel the mad love, suffering, sacrifice, and strong sense of purpose behind nearly everything she does. She's like a drug for me, every scene, every scene she is even mentioned in. Even when she's just acting in a basic cutesy schoolgirl way I can feel something intense beneath the surface that brushes against my soul
>>578113607>>578113902Also that stuff is my opinion as a Mayafag. That shit actually made me dislike Ami for a while until I figured it out.
>>578113902>>578114834Reading your posts, I think I agree with most of what you're saying. I just don't really know how I feel about Ami in general, especially after she's essentially admitted she doesn't actually care about Sensei as a person beyond his role in helping her write "her" story. I'm reserving judgment for now, though. (also yeah Mayafag bias is a big part of it for me too.)
>>578115116To be fair Sensei makes it mostly impossible to care about him as a person considering he's a cowardly self-centered liar. Everyone who likes him does so for his massive shlong and or because they project traits onto him that don't exist. Maya is basically the one exception considering their entire relationship is built around being horrible people with each other
>>578115392Fair enough, yeah. I guess I just figured that Ami of all people would be different in that regard, especially after her speech in the special Ami bonus scene.
>>578115392Also I'd say Himawari is also an exception to that, even if it's a different kind of love.
Himawari as a character feels like an orphan desperately trying to connect with parents she never knew and only knows about through observation.
>>578116574>>578117168In some ways Himawari is the most fucked up character. Traditionally the most common form of unconditional, idealistic love is parental love for their children. But with Himawari it's kind of the opposite. She is giving idealistic, unconditional love for her parents even when they are such a bum they make her drop out of school to stay at home taking care of him. She is kind of the height of LiL's dream-like, idealistic messaging: the kind of unconditional love existing in opposite of how it normally is.I hate my parents, though, so this reversal puts me off.
lessons in love...
>>578117168We don't actually know what her circumstances in her own world were, do we? All I remember is a vague allusion that things weren't nearly as perfect as they were in Aomori, but if she came out of it with as much love for her parents as she has, they must've been doing something right, no?>>578117653To be fair, they didn't make her do it, it was her choice, but yeah, I can see how that whole narrative might not land quite how it should if your relationship with your parents isn't great.Also don't call my precious daughter fucked up or I'll get real mad >:(((((
>>578117653Well that's her ideal world at this point in her development, it's supposed to not feel real, it's her greatest desire turned into its own world, if ideal Himawari is a bum it's because she wants to be. She has no reason to hate her parents that we know of. I think a lot of people read this series of events wrong and don't think Ayane and Akira are being influenced by this perfect world, I think Sana spelled this out.
>>578118616Mainly, the association between "my perfect daughter whom I love" with "the daughter who lives for my sake and waits on my hand and foot (as a literal waiter even)" disturbs me. It disturbs me that people like Himawari instead of fundamentally rejecting the idea of a daughter living for their own sake. In other words, it comes off to me kind of like people uplifting like submissive tradwives as the ideal of romance: the ideal partner one that gives you everything even when you give them nothing in return. I personally feel alienated by Himawari. But that is, indeed, just my own twisted perspective.
Thread is 50% black bars now.
>>578119406Just imagine everything in them is Ami ami ami ami ami ami
>>578111945ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami ami
Rain King.
>>578119982She's so adorable.>>578119674>Just imagine everything in them is Ami ami ami ami ami amiI will. Reading is hard when there's no Ami involved.
>>578119025It's a perfectly valid perspective, honestly, I don't fault you for seeing her that way. I suppose I'm not really sure how I'd explain exactly why I like her as much as I do, but I don't feel like it's for the reasons you mentioned, personally. Maybe part of it is the perceived virtue of self-sacrifice, but I think I just generally admire the strength of her love and her unwavering belief in both herself and her parents, despite seeing both of them at their worst. It doesn't really have anything to do with the specifics of their familial dynamic. I think I'd find it just as touching if it were a father or mother in her situation, but i suppose the role reversal does add something to it, because you might expect that sort of devotion from a parent, but it coming from their daughter does add a layer of tragedy and pathos to her as a character.
>>578120430Wait, what event s that one?
>>578122837That's from Haruka's most recent event.
>>578121113NTA but I do think it's interesting seeing her level of selfless devotion considering teenagers and rebellious/selfish attitudes and strained parental relationships are such an enormously common scenario everywhere you look, even amongst the rest of the cast. It really does make her feel like an intentional reversal.
Both Nakayamas at the same time watching Ami and Sensei
I had to take a break after the Futaba scene A Tree Falls in the Forest.
>>578136284I have to take a break after every Futaba scene because I end up passing out from boredom.
>>578136715wow wow wow
people HATE fat girls
okay Yumi...
I think Futaba could have been more interesting if she didn't spend nearly all of her time just being "the fat girl that doesn't like herself"
heh, fataba
>>578140216Even Sel has admitted he fucked up with Futaba because he doesn't have much experience with that kind of, say, mental illness, which is why he changed it, as seen in her TSS.
If I get the DLC do I have to start a new game for them
>>578142063they're mostly just non-canon bonus scenes available whenever from the computer, probably not worth worrying about if you're not caught up
>>578136715wow wow based based
how do I unlock all the replays with URM
>>578142063Nah, you can access them from the computer at any point in any save>>578145140Now that I don't know. I think the flag to show them in the replay viewer will also mess up main story progress flags. For that you may just want to download a 100% save from F95 and look at the scenes as you please. However, they will be filled with story spoilers.
>>578142063watch out for the drm if you're pirating them, it'll delete your saves
heh
>>578151369I still wonder if not bonking your niece will lead to anything more substantial than an early bad end. With how much the game tries to push you away from it, it kinda feels like there's gotta be something going on there.
>>578152481The use of the word prequel makes me think that maybe the ending of the missed heroines path leads to sensei jumping and waking up in his class with the world reset and all his memories/progress gone rather than what's actually supposed to happen on the roof.
>>578165393I could go for some Dr Pepper
>>578165393god I love Miku so fucking much it's unreal
>>578165750Honestly the character with the biggest glowup for me. Touka is often a go-to for that but pretty much every Miku scene nowadays is enjoyable.
>>578166173Big agree, went from bottom 5 to top 10 in my book. Only other character to make that big a leap for me was Chika, 'cept she went the opposite direction.
>>578163679I feel like I end up with some reason to post this in every thread.
>>578165750>>578166173>>578166793I too ended up liking Miku way more than I did early in the game.
>>578167763I guess some people just need to be reminded of the honest and factual truth, verified by real Tsukioka patriots.
>>578168325
>>578165393it`s ayanover
>t >>578104654>The logic was sound, but he made the error of being too honestIsn't the reason why he tried to the game banned because people were pirating his care packages and latest releases? He had a huge meltdown and organized the whole LiLcord to report the game.
>>578174019Yes, that's why. And his plan was fine. He just made a mistake being vocal about it and open about urging people to report the game. There is a huge difference between doing something without ever admitting it, and doing something while making your motives and intentions public. Had he just shut up then F95 would have likely taken the thread down over loli content per their policy. They only didn't because Selebus made it obvious he was trying to engineer that specific situation. People will gladly bend their rules and policies over spite or to discourage subversions like that. So he should have kept his mouth shut.
>>578165393That is the best Ami outfit by far
Quite curious how the Osako purity route will actually work.
>>578190967Lesbians aren't even real anyways, she'll come around eventually.
>>578192038I know lesbianism is fake, but this is a work of fiction after all. Also I saw this Selebus "Excitement to write the respective purity route" tierlist.
>>578192564can't help but notice all the wizards are in S or S+, really activates my almonds.
>>578193138Uta being in S+ is interesting.
>>578193254yeah she kinda sticks out like a sore thumb between the three main girls and the eldritch abomination. wonder if he's got some huge twist planned for her.
>>578193598She's one of the few characters that knows that Sensei is a pedophile so I could see it possibly dealing with that in a more serious manner. The scenes with her related to that are already really good.
>>578194058Yeah, kinda figured it'd be something along those lines. Sort of a weird thing to be so excited about, but hey, to each their own.
>>578196037Well that's just speculation on my part. It's an important aspect of Sensei's character, though. I don't think you'd get the same depth out of that with one of the wizard heroines (pun not intended), and Maya and Noriko don't really give a fuck about it.
>>578196535Just to clarify, I was referring to Selebus being weird for how excited he seems to get to write about that, not calling you specifically a weirdo for finding it interesting. Even though you probably are, given that you're here at all.
>>578190967sexuality can't change the fact that sensei's the only one who can give her what she wants
>>578197358I know, which is why I was saying it was just speculation. I have no way to actually know why he'd be excited for her route specifically, after all.
>>578197470Yeah it seems pretty obvious it would end with them having children. The question is how you get from A to B in a way that's believable. Like I can see them fucking at some point in the harem route, but anything beyond that is going to take some work.
>>578189930Molly is so cute. I want to breed her.
>>578211879I may or may not have cried like a little bitch during the scene where Noriko showed him Niki's letters.
Fuel the Niki thread with more Niki!! (+bonus Ami for the crazy people)
>>578217061Ahhh... they're so cute and adorable.
Uta-chan and old lonely men on the internet, what an iconic combo.
sometimes sensei knows just what to say
Sensei watched Shrek with Sana that's so fucking cute (she fell asleep)
>>578232102Sana is super cute and only gets cuter as the game goes on. You are in for a treat.
>>578232102
>>578235932Fucking Kino.
>>578234464Sex
>>578225165
So are we going to get a reset before the November break?
Do any of the MILFs get a mother-daughter scene?
>>578243719Yes, happened quite recently actually
>>578243340We're due for one already
maybe that's what the cum jars are for haha
Oh no doubt
He don’t remember
>>578277149Io is such a good judge of character.
>>578289701
I'm almost to the end of chapter 1, I have other things I should be doing but instead I'm reading this vn that I'm hooked on.
ayane himawari threesome opinios?
>>578304958absolutely disgusting, please die.
>>578304253Yeah I basically did nothing but read LiL for a month straight, shit was so cash
oh sensei......
>>578308637Same here.
>>578304253>>578308637Speaking of which, to everyone, has any other media elicited that effect from you before? Books, TV series, web or IRL serials, anything?
>>578308637Same as wellWhenever I got pulled away it was all I could think about
>>578310095I felt that way going through all the Rance games over a couple months.
>>578310095I'm slow to warm to stuff but once I get the ball rolling it becomes an obsession until I get it out of my system. This year it was this, last year it was Morrowind, the year before that it was the Trails series.
>>578310095nothing in recent memory has captured my attention like this game has.
>>578310095Not to the same degree, especially considering how long the game is. I remember reading all of the WoT books 20 years ago (at least the ones that were published back then) but I'd rather not count that since I'd never read that shit today and I burned out on it eventually.
>>578310095mushoku tensei ranobe 4 years ago
>>578310095Obsessing over stuff is kinda the standard for me, given that I am extremely fucking autistic, but in terms of things that basically took over my life in recent memory, it'd probably be Elden Ring, Black Souls 2 and the Tsukihime remake.>>578311038I also had a bit of a Morrowind phase not too long ago.
>>578310095Oh dear, I remember when I somehow got into a manic episode when I started Worm, and when I noticed I had finished it, I also hadn't slept for that half a week, and I had gone on autopilot for all of my classes.At least I never had something to the same extent happen again, but I've also binged the Mushoku Tensei WN, the Rance series until Sengoku then Kichikuou, and somehow an 18+ japanese web novel (machine translation).
Waiting... for my Ami.
>>578321424
>>578321651ami...
>>578321651The perfect class. I would never take a day off. In fact just looking at it I feel like I'm the one getting a lesson in love
i love chika...
>>578310095...Homestuck. Probably not worth reading now though.What is worth reading? Berserk. Kentaro Miura was a genius.
>>578323121same
>>578329784Amazing render I didnt have it in the Niki archive
My mind is free now. Freed by Ami.
>>578349190Wow, I sure could go for a refreshing, ice-cold Coca Cola™ right about now.
>>578349190Indirect kiss with Niki while sharing a coke.
so this is halloween....
Maya's costume omg
>>578354565I like halloween updates. Cute Girls in Cute Costumes.
she did the eyes, wow.
>>578358227how does she do that
I make Ami wear the Sailor Moon costume in bed.
>>578358227cute sana
>>578310095A few times. IT's always the works that make like worth living. Yaminabe, Rance X, 百合の間に挟まる男として転生してしまいました
>>578361529>百合の間に挟まる男として転生してしまいましたMy kino senses are tingling.
>>578357449Yasu crying out in ecstasy as I breed her holy womb with my sacred phallus and flood her with potent seed.
>>578362064It's one of the best things I've ever read bar none, but the English translation is shit and only covered volume one. That's why I put its Japanese name. I think LiL fans would tend to like it due to the extreme obsessive yandere-ness that possesses the heroines.
>>578324186 you're not alone anon, another of my obsessions has been mtg at the same time as lessons, which has lead me to do extensive work on color theory and how it relates to different lil girls and the correlations that entails
>>578364992 using my friends color pie leanings mixed with their top three girls i started work on a graph for each girl showing how different personalities/color leanings correlate to which girl someone has favoured
>>578367575selebus made this if you didn't know
>>578368952Red is bad
>>578368952this is what me and my friend came up with a few years ago, could probably use some work but it's not based on what color they would play as selebus seems to be be, but on what colors are represented in their personalities (most of the cast being teenagers and also in a dating game leads to a disproportionate amount of red (passion and emotion)), if anyone here is into mtg color theory i'd love to hear their takes on if anything should be changed and what the girls who aren't here should be ie: how sana should probably be black/green from her more recent events, or what the fuck to even do with nao
>>578362897Just searched it, how bad is the Yen Press official translation compared to the machine translated web novel?
Looking at screenshots I haven't posted.
>>578370832From what I've seen the yen press translation is just really poor grammatically, so it is probably comparable to the MTL web novel in most ways (assuming you use Claude or some other high level LLM translator that is). I'd say going with Yen Press is better if you would use google MTL or deepL or something, but if you are going to be dumping tokens on a good Opus model or something the MTL would be better.
>>578371721No, I mean, there are sites that translate WNs, and even 18+ ones. This novel I found across two such sites.
>>578372126Oh, I never used one of those so I don't know. My impression is those sites often use pretty shitty MTL but things may have advanced in the meantime. Should be easy to compare the first chapter of both, or maybe someone else knows.
>>578372274Just checked the very first chapter of the WN.>My dream is to become a houseplant in an apartment where a Yuri couple lives together, get water and Yuri every dayOkay, I'm sold.
>>578372532I think a secret sauce for romance works I like is for the protagonist to not want to be involved in romance whatsoever, sort of like how Sensei mostly abhors love and considers himself a being that corrupts all he touches. 百合の間に挟まる男として転生してしまいました accomplishes that by making the protagonist a genuine pure-blooded yuri fan who wants nothing more to breed yuri, only to accidentally destroy it. The levels of cope he reaches while trying to delusionally protect yuri while making girls fall in love with him instead is comparable to Sensei delusionally thinking some of his students won't rape him. It's great.
>>578372757>abhors loveActually let me correct myself, I should be more descriptive. Irrelevant to what I was talking about thoughObviously Sensei craves love and wants it more than anything, the thought of even 1 of the heroines in the game not loving him is torment. Abhors is the wrong word. I should moreso say that he doesn't really believe in it and is very doubtful. It is unthinkable to him that idealistic, true love actually exists. So he may feel like he needs to avoid it so as to not get confirmation it is not real, or at times he acts as shitty as possible to test the love of others and, if their love is not real enough, push them away. In any case, he has a complex relationship with love and does not accept it straightforwardly, which in part is why I think the romance ends up so good and enjoyable. As people on F95 would have you know all the tie, a normal person in Sensei's shoes would just be like "Aw shit Uta you like me? Based, let's fuck" and then that's it.
>>578373429i think a normal person would not sleep with any of the main girls due to the minor issue of well minors
>>578373692lol
>>578373692I don't think most guys have any personal issues sleeping with minors (of age 14+ that is). I imagine that the biggest barriers to doing so for most are legal repercussions and just the lack of practicality (as in it's not practical for the average guy to like hang around a high school picking up chicks.)I think if put in a position like Sensei's, where there are no legal repercussions and one is genuinely surrounded by young girls asking for sex, some absurd number of like 90%+ or even 95%+ of guys would go along with it. Maybe 99%. This is one of those "Something everyone knows and ignores" truths that LiL sheds light on. As seen by how many LiL players, even otherwise socially progress ones, lust for the characters openly and talk about how hard they'd fuck them if they were Sensei.
>>578183194Just imaginirui how would her softness feel in that outfit... Want to hug her so bad
>>578374039I mean, it's not like openly lusting after teenage or even younger characters is exactly uncommon in most otaku spaces, nor does it somehow indicate you'd do the same thing irl. People throwing hissy fits over character ages or body types as often as they do is a relatively recent thing.
I'm addicted to Ami's raw passion. Every h-scene is a treat.
>>578375923It's common in non-otaku spaces too. It's just a common thing. I saw an anonymous survey carried out by sociologists that revealed male sexual preference slanted heavily towards 14 and dropped off a cliff following 18~20.
It makes me kind of sad that I'll probably be dead before this finishes
>>578382226Planning on dying some time in the next decade? We've managed to get through 4/6 chapters in about 6 years, so I don't feel like it should take much longer than that even if 5 and 6 are way longer than 4. I guess there's also the purity routes, however those are gonna end up working, but I think the main story at least should be done before like 2036 or something if Sel keeps up the pace.
>>578382864pretty sure 4 is confirmed to be the longest chapter but it's possible all the purity routes combined take longer than it
