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This seems like a common sentiment about assemble counter, but from the way I see it, isn't basically an invincible reversal? In practice what is the difference between Assemble Counter and an invincible DP?

>>578370145
>what is the difference between Assemble Counter and an invincible DP?
in most games if you expect your opponent to invincible DP you can hard call it out by responding with an invincible super. assemble counter will eat that for breakfast though. aside from that you can safe jump ofc, but safe jumps are even harder than normal in tokon due to the extremely varied wakeups/wakeup timings. and it can still be used when you have no assemble gauge so it's a free EX DP on everyone.

it's not broken or anything by any means, it's just boring. you have to make a very hard read on it for no real reason. i'm in general not a fan of giving wakeups more RPS

>>578370145
I'm fine with Assemble Counter, but I do think the knockdown situation feels oddly favored towards the one knocked down a lot of the time, and Assemble Counter contributes to that.

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ugly man face
how can you make rivals sniffs look this bad

>>578371542
They don't look like that ingame

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some people say it's fine now
others say it made cpu usage higher
many say they're crashing constantly with latest win11 update
mixed reports on being stuck in queue without getting matched
so basically in the end patch didnt even matter

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>>578371816
It did matter though. A lot of people that couldn't play before can play now, including people who could play but were stuck in queue. I've seen some people saying the cpu usage got higher, but i have yet to see someone say they could play before and can't anymore.
I'm not sure they can do anything about the win11 update. Microsoft already acknowledged that their update is causing crashes in multiple games so it's up to them to fix.
We can't expect the patch to solve everything to everyone. Next patch won't make the game perfect either but as long as the amount of people able to play the game continues to increase we will be fine.

>>578370461
you can just call an assist dumbass. the assist activates the counter, you block it for free, its -16 so they fucking explode

way less risky then doing a super on someone elses wakeup, like that's ever going to pay off more then once every 100 games

Has any of you tried playing online with mods?

Got top 100 masters with only a few hours of ranked. Need to optimize my team though. I think breaking the wall the first 2 touches is the best thing to do, but then i need to hard focus on 2 touching which I will have to lab more tomorrow.

>>578373808
that's not a catchall solution. if you try and safejump + call assist, forward tech roll will get out of that. if they back tech tech that adds 10f to the wakeup timing and an assist with low active frames won't catch them.

like i said, it's not broken or unbeatable by any means you can just not press buttons and punish them. but it's completely unnecessary RPS on wakeup in the defender's favor

>>578374619
It is annoying, but the more I play the more I'm starting to get used to it. And it's EXTREMELY unsafe on whiff. If it didn't exist, the offense in this game would be extremely overbearing. That blocking counter move is basically completely unusable.

>>578374886
i don't think it shouldn't exist or anything. i was just explaining how it's different than your average EX DP in another game to the anon who posed the question. at most i think it shouldn't beat supers. somewhat questionable that it uses assemble gauge yet can still be used without it. i don't feel strongly about that though.
if anything i have more issues with the wakeup options because i think it's lame to have to use an assist to get your meaty (not even guaranteed thanks to forward + back tech) which will in turn encourage people to gravitate towards specific assists that have fucktons of active frames. everyone in s1 dbfz used ss vegeta assist for basically this reason; delay tech in that game was stupid good

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>Watch video of guy describing the characters
>Calls Danger a they

Why do euros/asians ignore Tokon?

>>578376104
But I'm playing it right now

>>578376104
not sure about euros but asians are too busy playing SF6 to care about any other fighting game

now that the online is fixed we are doing a lobby tomorrow no matter what faggots lets go

>>578376826
im down

i'm the only guy in silver using active tag and its getting me a lot of free wins

>>578376826
is it really fixed though I don't wanna play vidya

>>578377164
no more 8 frames of lopsided rollback and it feels like they also removed some input delay or something, everything has felt super snappy today

>>578376943
I'm in platinum and nobody uses it either
I only use right before using a Tokon Assemble just to get a different animation

>>578377240
that 8f will still happen if you run into the wrong rig

>>578377735
no its straight gone now, they fixed all the desync stuff

>>578377806
no it's not i've played people chugging and 8f today

>>578376104
>>578376805
CEO had like 100-200 Japanese present but only ~4 registered for Tokon. Nemo who played MvC3 didn't bother wtf

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>>578377881
well they fixed it enough that tns is allowing pc's again

>>578378021
Bold move
Pools will feature a couple teleport matches but shouldnt keep it PS5 exclusive

>>578378021
yea it's a lot better now, but if you run into someone with a shit CPU it's still gonna blow ass. it's very noticeable when someone is dropping frames

>>578377920
The game was barely marketed in japan from what I heard. Not sure about the rest of asia but I would assume it was the same

>>578379651
For casuals this makes sense. But I'd assume if you fly abroad to play fighting games you are aware of upcoming/recent releases within your genre

Who decided Dudepeel could be sauced out of his mind?

I wished I could spend a little bit of meter and an assist pip to break combos. Maybe all the assist bars, I dunno.

>>578381428
You will watch the 20sec combo into 15sec assemble ult and enjoy it

I genuinely don't think I've ever been worse at a fighting game than this in my life, every single match is just me being anally raped back to back every round while losing every single interaction.

So which toptiers are going to be nuked and which top tiers won't get touched or lightly tapped at worst? I dont wanna waste my time and effort.

I can finally play the game now, what's a good storm team?

So you guys map your unique button to X/A or one of the shoulder buttons and why?

>>578386360
too early to tell + arcsys balancing is hard to predict. IF anyone, and big IF here, gets touched I could see it being spidey and storm. storm is going to be a problem when people get her down and spidey is strive launch sol levels of privileged + braindead. i could see some assists getting toned down but i don't think anyone is broken broken

>>578386360
>nuked
nigga you are about to learn what it is to be comped

>>578386531
X/A because it reminds me of Drive which I also have on that. Also having assist stuff on the face buttons feels weird.

>>578385613
what team

50% sale soon? Game is dead on pc still.

>>578390552
Hella overpriced but no way. Sony rather lets tokon die and adds more malware

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Ultron when?

>>578385613
Game is so early that I want to believe that all it'd really take for me to get in is just consistent practice day by day. But ultimately? Like, yeah, playing against an actual person is better than the CPU but man nothing beats couch co-op with friends and family. Just an environment where everyone is at the same level and if you're too good at the game/have learned fundamentals then pick characters you're bad at/stop blocking or do whatever to make the other people in the room feel nice. Being beaten from pillar to post by a random is cool 'cuz you can at least talk IRL. Something about the experience online just makes me seethe and want to curse. Like...this isn't fun for me anymore. I don't want to quit fighting games but man.

It's like--what? I don't play for money. I'm not motivated to sweat. As much as I lament this I can understand how players like LTG or DSP can honestly be like
>I've played this genre for 2-3 decades of my life. I have basic fundies. I don't need to lab a million years. Combo trials definitely don't hurt but Casual should be Casual.
Except "casual" can mean anything. It isn't
>I'm an unc who plays for 15 minutes at a time on a good day. Let me fight similarly ranked people...
And it's like...no. That's not realistic. Lab or put the game down.

I dropped Fighterz remarkably early for similar reasons. As least Tokon has easier inputs. Feels like I should keep at it longer. But man only Captain America feels good to me and that really limits things.

>>578391643
From Marvel Future Fight to MvCI to Rivals Ultron never gets his due. It's like people decided the Whedon movie was bad so Ultron equals bad.

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Cap top tier ??

>>578394134
>12 participants
Holy shit this game is already dead in EU. Tekken,BBCF,SF and even Soive weeklies have ez 9-10 times more players even 2XKO did kek.

Oh you registered for 3rd SaltyEU tournament? Congratz top 8
Avatar gets ~50-70 entrants in EU for comparison

Had to check first SaltyEU on release day had 21 players show up. This ain't a random tournament it's the biggest online series in Europe for Tokon.
What went wrong?

>>578395951
>>578395131
>>578394870
Are you done going insane? You said you refunded this game and never looking back week 1

>>578396019
I never said I refunded and am only the latest two posts. Can't blame every complain you hear on 1 boogeyman you imagine in your head.
Genuinely curious why Europe doesn't seem interested?

How big of a meltdown did dsp or ltg have while playing tokon

>>578396019
>hes schizoing
Im only one of these posts negro. Just stating unfortunate fact that this game is dead in EU and Asia too.

>>578396740
OK. You gonna play the game or keep wondering aloud why other people aren't?

>>578386980
Spiderman, and BP are gonna grt giganerfed while Storm gets a light tap on the wrist because she had "le hard character" privileges. Im more expecting nerfs to most of the broken assists jn the game.

>>578396740
>>578396395
I am sure

>>578396841
>pls don't be rude or point out the obvious
What will you do if I refund

>>578396704
I'm actually watching a LTG clip and his reasoning is so bizarre that I don't think I can continue giving his views even in jest. He's upset that he can't play Danger correctly. She's the hardest character in the game and just off of visuals he shoots for her first which--which is just a bad time. He's trying to zone with her while lamenting there isn't enough data labbed about her. He downloads and samples some bnb's in the lab before going online to immediately cry that his mentality being different from his opponent's immediately makes him superior even in the face of his loss.
>I'm trying to do complex stuff. And this guy is just mashing Square and Triangle trying to get things to work!
I'm assuming this is open beta footage I'm watching since it was uploaded on the 26th of last month. He's crying about casual fundamentals in a casual environment and then--suddenly--if you're not the one matching his rhythm them you're the one in the wrong. First person did a wake-up Super that LTG ate and it's the other person's fault.
>Why are you so shaky and nervous during a beta? There are ZERO stakes and you wake up super me. It's not that serious. This is the last time you'll ever play me.
Some Dr. Doom mashed out lights into Super and got the win and suddenly
>This guy is garbage!
Who lost though?

But no he's just ranting and complaining. I don't know why Dale continues to put himself through this. Why make this his livelihood when he clearly hates it? Almost feels like there's a conspiracy by paypigs to string LTG along by having him believe, through continual stream donations, that his presence and attention and insight is valued and warranted when he doesn't play anyone of note and doesn't collab, has long renounced his need for competition and insists he only wants to turn his brain off which is impossible when he's conjuring excuse after excuse. DSP is just leaning into his bit like AVGN. Completely phoned in.

>>578397316
Probably continue to play the game, watch clips of the game and monitor the thread to gauge when it's best to host a lobby that fits with my schedule.

Are you gonna play the game or keep wondering aloud why other people in other countries aren't?

both of these posts
>>578397789
>>578398204
sound like the biggest gay bitches lol

LTG places abuse on his opponents. His losses only ever come from player incompetence. He plays it up like he downloads the other player and rather than adopt his gameplay to match the guy and win he just scoffs, mentally defeats himself then quits the game before the loss can be recorded. Wins and losses don't matter to anyone. But every loss is like a punch in the face. LTG doesn't like the sensation but he keeps getting back in the ring with his arms at his sides.
>He plays a way I don't like
>This means this guy is bad at fighting games.
>He beat me clean? The game is enabling him.

DSP meanwhile just cries about input lag with the same expression, voice and cadence. No excitement or explosion to any of his outbursts. He complains and it's almost performative. Just him looking into the camera then going
>But I pressed
And then you see him blatantly do the opposite of what he's calling out as cheap and unfair. But it all devolves into put lag. Not interested to watch him talk past like 5 minutes because he just sets himself on a repeating loop. It's like he wants to stop but can't because this is "expected" of him. That's the vibe I get anyway.

>>578396963
>Storm gets a light tap on the wrist
She shouldn't be able to go medium lighting into light lightning thats fucking stupid.

>>578394870
>>578395131
>>578395951
Salty EU primarily hosts Strive tournaments, their other tournaments hardly get any entrants in general. And for how big Tekken is in EU there isn't a weekly online tournament for Tekken AFAIK. I was up late last night playing Tokon and was finding games constantly too so the game isn't dead here either.

>>578396704
DSP kept complaining about the autocombos people were doing on him even though they weren't doing autocombos and then whenever he got a confirm he would do the autocombo