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#35: Zombie Edition
Previous: >>578182791

>hololive Dreams

>News
New Membership Stickers for all talents
https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2090982289278955609
Game Improvements & Balance Adjustments
https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2089686136755298790

>Current events
Ultimate Summer For Me?
Until 8/27 (Thu) 7:59 PM (JST)
https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2088838160646090951
Training Support Missions
Until 8/31 (Mon) 4:59 AM (JST)
https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2086286355814818300

>Current banners
Heat-Steeped Summer Day
Until 8/29 (Sat) 10:59 AM (JST)
https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2089172038032535577

>Download
PlayStore
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=game.qualiarts.hololive.dreams.com
AppStore
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hololive-dreams/id6756641249
Steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4282500/hololive_Dreams/

>Socials
X (formerly Twitter)
https://x.com/hololive_dreams (JP)
https://x.com/holo_dreams_en (EN)
Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/@hololivedreams
Official Discord
https://discord.com/invite/hololive-dreams

>Resources
Website
https://www.hololive-dreams.com/en
Trailer
https://youtu.be/KWkNV57HJe4
Unofficial Database
https://holodori.best/
Tierlists
https://game8.jp/hololive-dreams/800829
https://appmedia.jp/hololive-dreams/80235364
holodori Stamps
https://gofile.io/d/5cQvcS
LINE Stickers
https://gofile.io/d/rtbuz1tg

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>holoIndie

>News
holoVillage gets swimsuit DLC and free update
https://x.com/holovillage_en/status/2090242662800494842
Hololive Fantasy Battle out now on Switch and Steam
https://x.com/holo_bato/status/2085652167172710732

>Website
https://ccmc-corp.com/en/holoindie/

>Catalogue
https://store.steampowered.com/publisher/holo_Indie

>HoloCure
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2420510/HoloCure__Save_the_Fans/
>Holo-Strike
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3984450/HoloStrike/
>Hololive Fantasy Battle
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4003770/Hololive_Fantasy_Battle/
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how do you zoom out the holoboard on steam?
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>>578428136
ctrl mouse wheel
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How are your boost drinks holding up?
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>mikkorone double fakeout ending
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>>578429376
I'm totally F2P and have gotten gold or higher on every event on JP server and I have over 200 stockpiled, so bretty gud
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>>578429716
me, but I have 10 at most.
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If anyone want a song choice that gives almost as many points as Kande, try Secret Garden by gen1
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>>578430367
Forgot to mention, you ofc need to throw some yellow notes at gen 1
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i feel like i stopped improving, and i still can't clear half the 27s or anything higher
kinda frustrating, i'm not sure how to get better
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>>578429376
gone, i blew them all during the first few events
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At what point am I allowed to claim I'm decent at this game? I've FC'd every song except for Kingworld on hard and have cleared the majority of songs on expert.
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>>578431285
Better than what I can do so I'd say now
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How do I change my deck when I'm in multi?
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>>578431626
Go back to free/grade selection menu?
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>>578431285
Decent = FC a 27
Good = FC a 29
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>>578430915
27 was the point my improvement slowed down, too. Don't get discouraged, you'll still improve in little ways as you try to get better at the 27 songs and build better muscle memory for certain patterns. It's more noticeable when you go back to the easier songs that gave you trouble.
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>>578431285
When you can easily clear hard charts. expert clears is when you are good
AC and AP are of roughly equal difficulty outside of charts where you have a mashing section
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>>578429376
blew so much staying in top 100 for mori but I still got about 90 left
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>>578429376
Pretty well considering I haven't used any of them.
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So
>Easy
Only good for people that never played a rhythm, game in their lives
>Normal
Pretty boring but good training wheels
>Hard
The actual game starts here
>Expert
The fancy shit
Did I get it right?
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>>578434535
Essentially yes
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Will they get pressured to add exchange between member currencies for this event?
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>>578436789
How the fuck do people not cap the event currency
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>>578434535
Add 28-30 Expert, shift everything up one and put easy in "Made for literal babies and people with actual motor skill problems"
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>>578436789
bro just play 3 or 4 songs on 3x auto
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>>578437153
They can't spare 15mins in 2 days anon cut them some slack
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played with this fella today
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>>578429654
I have already missed two APs to that fakeout.
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>>578438107
A freaking Onigiryaa Haaton Ruffian
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How much do people meme that Maware song
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My skill level is hard FC -1 good
Help this has happened like ten times already
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>>578438515
more importantly he's dream level 50 somehow
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>>578434535
There's a level above expert and it's found in custom maps
Think of it like Mario Maker's user created kaizo stages
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>>578438639
same
I think my concentration lapses during a slide or something.
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Next AZKi cover that's getting added
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdfer86oS24
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>finally bring last 70 to 80
>still score lower than my best
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>hate Pokajan
>still keep playing it
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>>578447018
Gamblebrained behavior
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Wait, who in the actual fuck puts cucumbers in thier potato salad?
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anyone ripped any of the summer models or do I need to
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>>578449819
They're just unpickled pickles.
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>>578450308
Some people did but I don't think they've been released
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>>578450436
what mental illness causes people to gatekeep like this
I like big boobs so I want to rip the Noel one but which is the most recent so I can make a point
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>>578450557
Mori, Ayame, Ollie, Luna, Ina
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>>578450982
bet
https://gofile.io/d/7pKd5ro8
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>saw lots of posts about people not able to clear up the shop and missing the memories
>meanwhile I cleared the character shop around two hours after the start of the event
>Common shop cleared on Mori’s event
Are these people for real?
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>that one GOOD that always fucks up your FC run
It’s so infuriating and it’s always hold notes
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>>578456031
I've found that forcefully smashing my thumbs into the alternating holds fixes that problem. All the other notes can be played mindlessly but I fuck holds up when I don't play them with purpose.
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>>578455898
Forgot to mention I had a full team of event characters and holopassport btw :)
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>>578456475
I think the problem is the end of hold notes are stricter compared to other notes in the game. You really have to hold it until the very end.
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>>578456703
Why would you play this game without the passport
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>>578456703
anon, I cleared both shops, and I don't have a holopassport.
the only annoyance is the memory which is 10k.
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>>578450982
>>578454609
luna up, ollie up
https://gofile.io/d/vuqORoTK
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>>578450982
>>578458181
Ina, Mori up
had to redo some older models to catch some mistakes but good enough.
there is no canonical mouth mesh because decals are projected, so it naturally follows that you can just snip the face mesh + UV project to get a "canon" mesh there.
other textures (fake AO, shader maps etc.) are also bundled, do with them as you wish
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>>578459773
It would be cool if we could make custom characters in the game using parts we unlocked.
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>>578458181
NTA but I kind of expected the models to be less complex, but then again, the chibis are pretty round
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nothing worse that forgetting to activate auto-mode just before a song in expert stars in multiplayer.
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>>578458181
And just for fun, Noel up
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When will Pokajan be the event bonus mini game?
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>>578461503
probably the next event
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Callie seems the type of recluse I will relentlessly bully in college but still wanna date.
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What an odd thing to say
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Why are the hidden items in Harmony Garden so hard to find some days?

Harmony Garden e yōkoso
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>There are achievements for 30 and 50 Daily Quests
Why did retards stop doing them then?
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>>578463978
>retards
You answered your own question.
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>>578463978
most people just teleport around and also probably didnt know that
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I like her song!
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>>578463978
I wish there were an option to auto-lock the daily quest after the first interaction.And stop telling me every day to upgrade the NePoLaBo shop.
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I can just taste those 30 gems in 3 months
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>>578465868
a whole 1.2% of a 10 pull after 3 months or so of collecting every hidden treasure in both areas...
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>>578462946
I usually climb to the top of the Gen 0 mountain and scan the scene from there. If I can't see anything, I know they're on the other side of all the buildings and things at least.
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>>578461292
Noel's model is really scandalous, even for a chibi ToT
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>>578463978
too busy complaining about not enough free gems
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>>578467980
Fatsuri
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>Get a good score on a song
>Can't get within 100k of it in 20+ tries
?
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>>578468050
skill rng in this game is really cool huh?
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>>578465374
Then upgrade your nepolabo and stop bricking yourself.
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>>578449819
I'd say it's a better replacement for celery
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I'll host a multi live room if people are interested
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>>578469672
Sure
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>>578467315
I was surprised when I noticed you could see a sparkle from almost halfway across Harmony Garden if it's not obscured by something
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>>578469819
1287-5045 starting in 9 min or if room full
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>>578469672
2/5 all skill levels welcome!
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My own clones, now none of us will be virgins
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This is the highest ranking I've had without trying so far for this event. Don't know if it's burnout or what
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>>578470564
It's Ollie. Nobody cares who is going to put an Ollie sticker in their profile
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Why not remove the song length bonus it doesn't do anything besides make everyone spam the longest song.
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>>578471330
I'd much rather they increase event song bonuses. or maybe add event singer bonuses (more rewards for songs that has the event holos listed as a singer)
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CALLIOPE MORI ON THIS GODDAMN MIC
I DON'T WANT YOUR FUCKIN' MONEY, I JUST WANT YOUR LIFE
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>>578471330
They're doing something about it but we don't know exactly what
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>>578471517
wife?
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>>578469672
4/5, I'll wait a minute or so for someone else to join
9433-5162
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>>578470095
thanks for the room
played some of the expert charts and man... i am not full comboing them anytime soon
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>>578471750
GGs anon!
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calli wife
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I fell outta da lobby
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>>578471727
4766-6007
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I got two texts during that that covered half my screen
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>>578472223
Turn your do not disturb on lol
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>>578471330
Then people will just spam the shortest song.
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>>578470564
the current rewards aren't really worth grinding.
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>>578471330
>Why not remove the song length bonus it doesn't do anything besides make everyone spam the longest song.
do you know what you're asking for, it makes everyone spam the shortest songs instead.
it's going to put more strain on boost refills. everyone is going to spam RIP over renai circulation because that 1 extra second is worth 30 extra combo notes
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>>578472801
>it's going to put more strain on boost refills
It’s fine, fuck the whales.
>everyone is going to spam RIP
Oh, fuck...
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just heard irys say goddammit lol
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There will always be a most efficient song,regardless of how you stack it. The only way to not have a meta song is to make choosing random the meta, otherwise be happy the current meta is a good song and not something like dead beats
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>>578473043
Go and watch the CCGG reality show skit if you actually want to hear IRyS curse unfiltered.
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ASS+2
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gg gamers
>>578472223
My phone has a "Game" mode that's supposed to hide notifications, but I always forget to turn it on
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>>578473394
Just make each song give the same amount of event points
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>>578470564
I really think because it’s Ollie. Luna’s event will be more competitive
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>>578473576
meant for >>578472281
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>>578473394
Just give the event song bonus if you play it. The devs release a new song for an event so they expect people to play it a lot. If people are spamming other songs, that means the devs fucked up.
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Alright last one for me
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>>578454609
Thanks anon, you're the best
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Thanks for the fun anons!
Btw hoshiyomi you're fucking cracked lmao
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>>578474392
Lol thanks. And ggs to all
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>>578473607
Luna's not that popular either, especially in the west
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GGs lads. Thanks for the lobby Mr. APman.
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>>578474504
I'm just glad we don't have to worry about that lag anymore
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>>578474598
Is it not a thing anymore in general? I still tab out and back in at the beginning of every song to avoid it.
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>>578474732
I know some anons still have it
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>>578474732
Definitely would've had it on a few songs there if I didn't tab out and back in. The workaround doesn't bother me at all though, it's trivial to do
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>>578471330
yeah length bonus needs to go
there are a lot of ways to go about it but normalized and global event bonus should be the easiest one to implement as they already have filter category for event songs anyway or add a random pick but only for event songs that gives even more bonus
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Can I hold top 10 for the first time or will it get sniped away from me
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>>578471330
The main things you want to avoid are:
>People always spam longest song
>People always spam shortest song
As those will be the biggest offenders. I agree with that one anon, best way to go is just make all songs equal.
Another thing too they could do is make a certain group of songs equal. Like for a Kanade event, give all songs that feature her the max bonus.
Have a Gen 1 event, all Gen 1 songs get a bonus.
Bonus on all songs is better than both of those though. Just let people play what they fucking want. It makes grinding less of a hassle.
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>>578475405
Gotta make sure to keep watch the last like, 12 hours before the cutoff. People really start grinding it the day before I've found. Also I like bucktooth Kaela.
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just stop playing graded rooms anons...
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>>578475464
If you make all songs equal, people will spam the shortest song for time efficiency.
If you make them too diverse, people will complain that they can’t optimize the yellow board.
As long as it’s competitive, people will optimize.
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>>578475836
>If you make them too diverse, people will complain that they can’t optimize the yellow board.
That's good for the company, though. They should want that. Gives whales an excuse to spend more.
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>make all songs including that member give a bonus if you don't have any of their units
>make the event song give a bonus if you do have their standard unit(s)
>make any song give a bonus if you have their event unit(s)
>random in multi gives a bonus
>bonuses do not stack when accounting for one member(so having the event unit on a member's song and having all their other units doesn't stack)
>you get less points if you play the same song twice in a row and within the last 10 songs you played
>auto songs give half event points/token
are any of these options better than what we have now?
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Is Botan a cookingfag?
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>>578477162
That's an understatement honestly but yeah.
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>>578477387
If she plays this, she'd better be good at Collect Cooking too then
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>>578477564
She's good at everything I've watched her play so she'll probably be fine, if she even bothers.
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>>578477387
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>>578478029
Sure wish I could get any Botan free chats.. I have more for Kaela at this point and I haven't run around as Botan for ages because I want to get her chats.
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>>578476446
Sure
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>keep playing oshi mode for the tiniest crumb of a score increase
>it wont happen
im tired
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>>578480653
Wouldn't even bother honestly unless you're in Dream and trying to stay in Dream
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>>578472801
>remove the song length bonus
>instead of Kanade, we get spammed with Deadbeats instead
no thanks lmao
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Wow, the Dream cutoff for Ollie is already only 7 hours away. This short form events pass so fast man, no wonder people have to spam Kanade in multi.
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I actually love Kanade (the song) since forever so I don't mind the spam in multi lives.
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make auto rooms forced random song selection, but standardize the rewards without length bonus. people on auto wouldn't really care about the map anyway, and in this way they'll probably hear about new songs they might like.

on the other hand, give event songs huge bonus to points to get people to try out new songs and maps, and more importantly to give it an edge over kanade. and if the problem is repetition, they can just rotate bonus songs each day.
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https://x.com/natsuiromatsuri/status/2091303754859676117
genuinely how do you get that much positive winnings in pokajan I'm flabbergasted
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>>578482937
having a checkmark so ppl go easy on you
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>>578483062
yes I will believe this
it can't be me that is bad
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I swear I just can't AP KANADE to save my life, every single time I get one Great from those short hold notes because many come in off notes and it pisses me off so much.
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>>578483062
>not showing your oshi your superiority by Exodia'ing them

Bunch of submissive sissies, the lot of them.
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Scoring is fine, they just need to segregate the tierers and farmers from the schmucks in separate queues.
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So uhh...I accidentally got Ollie to 5 bloom because I got her twice in two 10 pulls...
I was 2 away from pity so wanted to hit pity but now I don't know what to pity since I got Summer Ayame in those pulls too and she was the last one I needed...
Any idea what using pity on a 5 bloom unit does? Bloom stone? Shitty special holo stickers?
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>>578484113
Same as pulling it probably. So, stickers.
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>>578484113
Check the other units to see which one could work on a new team. Ollie is great on Sense teams and has a Sense boost for Happy members, and Calli also has a Sense boost for Cute members, while the rest only boost their respective Gens.
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>>578471517
I DONT NEED NO CUTE HUSBANDO
JUST A COUPLE HUNDRED BANDS YO
AND SOME OZEMPIC SO I CAN FIT IN MY PANTS BRO
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>haven't used any drinks during Ollie's event, only my regular stamina while playing manually on multiplayer
>currently at Rank 491

Might as well spend another 21 stamina and just assure this Dream rank too.
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>>578484234
Yeah I figured that'd be the case but I'm honestly curious though don't want to risk getting stickers.
>>578484410
I'll probably use it on Luna since I use Towa and S.Watame

As an aside apparently 5 bloom makes their portraits have a bit more animation.
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>>578484113
It's 100 stickers on top of the usual 30. Saw it when Kaela got her sixth Mikochi
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>>578484676
Thanks. I was able to see that in the pity thing too since it asks like 3 times if you want to go through with it.
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>>578484676
that's 1/9th of a bloom of your choice!
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>check JP server
>Top 2 dudes are 100m points
How the fuck? Do they set up bots to go in auto rooms or something?
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>>578474493
west has the least amount of playerbase as well. Japan and Asia is where its at.
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>>578487119
A blessing in disguise, the last thing we need is having to compete with Japan, Korea and China's gigawhales who would make every single event a misery to rank up for better rewards.
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>>578486573
i think so, yeah. ive run into some players who i think are just bots or something at least. they join multi, run out the timer and it picks auto, run out the timer and it picks expert but they do manage to stay on auto.
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>57k points from Auto'ing KANADE

And here I was playing Oshi Mode ON manually because I thought it was giving me the same amount of points, but that's almost an 8k difference, holy moley. Anyway, I'm done, Rank 208 with a little more than 5 hours left, I better stay in Dream Rank.
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Didn't think it'd jump that much from barely an increase
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Kinda wild how much score discrepancy there can be even with the same team, same order and the same song.
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They have to hurry up and add more songs, there are so many bangers missing
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>>578489497
Definitely. I wonder how they plan to drop non holodori originals and non anniversary/birthday songs.
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>>578472801
i think they will make event song give more points and for solo characters events make their own songs give more points and not just a "in X character event play Y character's song to get more points!"
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>>578490176
I hope songs from Live 3D aren't off the table
There's a lot of one-time songs there, and they can just link it in the album page to the Live 3D's timestamp
Unfortunately Sololive/Fes songs wouldn't be possible because they're paid content, so stuff like Mr. Koro's Airman can't show up
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>>578490620
Oh right, one of the problems is there is no album art for them to use in the first place
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>>578470564
>Don't know if it's burnout or what
I knew 8 people who were playing and they all quit around the Fall Guys minigame release and Summer event and complained about lack of gems and rateup. I haven't spent a single gem at all but I quit halfway through Summer 1.

My main issue with this game is common in all rhythm games where I love 5% of the songs and don't want to play the rest and am forced to play multiplayer and play/hear those other songs to get enough points. I'm tempted to come back but permanently missing those Event Wallpaper statboosts makes me not want to bother.
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>>578490620
Yeah unfortunately I don't think songs from 3D lives will be added, which is a shame because there are countless great performances
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>>578490916
>permanently missing those Event Wallpaper statboosts
they're 0.2%. you have to be missing a lot for it to actually matter at this point, and the difference they make will get smaller and smaller the longer the game goes on. plus they'll rerun events or add them to a shop at some point in the future.
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Bae new orisong cute and good
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Don't want to spend any boosts so this is where I end for tonight. Saving up to max tryhard or Ina
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i wonder...
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>open with two IDs of the same color
>let's give them a chance, surely I'll get the third one
>no one ever drops them
>I never draw into them
>game ends and they're just being wastes of space in my hand

Every single time I give the ID cards a chance, they fucking disappoint.
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>>578495013
People are terrified at discarding IDs
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>>578495013
I usually hold onto them for a bit and if in 1 or maybe 2 rotations I don't see the 3rd one drop I'll just get rid of em. Yeah I might get blasted by a full gen pokajan but unless one of ems a bonus it's not all that bad, depends on what else is in my hand.
2 ID gen matches are always dogshit though, especially if you get unlucky and its 2 ID gens and 2 5 member gens.
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I need a Towa wife.
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>>578495965
Towife
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>>578495965
dont we all..
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>>578496313
cute tower
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>>578496642
that is her constant state after all
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Don't even bother playing mega circuit now
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thats been the case for a few weeks now at least
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>>578471330
>cap song length bonus
>add difficulty bonus (does not apply to auto)
>add combo bonus (wont apply to auto because there's no combo)
I have fixed holodori
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>>578498209
just remove song length bonus and add a bonus for different songs cleared in the last 100 attempts
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>>578498209
>Yuki no Hana ad infinitum
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>>578498405
>lvl 22 max difficulty
>2:08 duration
huh anything special about this song
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>>578498620
easiest song
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>>578498645
maybe they can scale the combo bonus along with difficulty bonus (e.g 50% combo on lvl25 song has the same bonus as 100% combo on lvl 22 song), this would incentivise people to pick higher difficulty song, but in the end there will be some meta song..
I can already see you & aizu getting pick if this is implemented
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Call me dumb but I thought all songs give about the same amount of event points per second. The score bonus is there for giving longer songs a boost and stop the shortest song spam the often plague gacha
Someone playing short duration songs will do the same as a long one, it just takes more boosts because shorter songs end early.
Are we talking about outright removal of the long song bonus and making the songs give a flat bonus like all other gacha?
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>>578500810
I don't think they've said how they plan to handle it yet. Essentially though since you want to be efficient with your boosts it makes more sense to do a longer song than a shorter one since boosts cost gems to refill if you run out of juice. If you could get decent points without boosts then you'd run shorter songs over and over like you said.
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>>578500810
even if they give the same points per second, longer songs are a more efficient use of your boosts and auto tickets
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2 hours left to get an easy Dream rank for an event song!
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>>578501723
I'm good. If I'm gonna bother with Dream rank ever, it'll be for my oshi and her song(s)
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>>578501293
>>578501689
What about event focused songs having a bonus but only for a limited time per day?
And a special bonus for songs chosen by random choice (the true random, the one that has yet to be implemented)
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>>578501723
I'm at Rank 254, I'm fine. I'm going to sleep now.
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Worst fix imaginable: You can't choose songs at all in public lobbies. All random

You're welcome Qualiarts, you can hire me for 20 gems a week
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>>578501723
No. You will not deceive me into spending anything before it's Ina's turn.
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>>578502335
Even if there's a limit to the bonus there would still be an optimal option to choose after that limit is met.
Personally I think the best options would be to give an incentive to play at the very least 10 different songs where if you play the same ones over and over, specifically in multi, then you get harshly diminished returns.
In solo this wouldn't be the case but there'd need to be something in place to allow multi to still be the better option for farming but not cause issues with regular play in solo.

Ideally they should give players the option to pick anything without worry but also give an incentive to play the new song or use the new unit in some capacity. I think the easiest solution would be to just add an event multi lobby alongside the 2 we have now.
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Just beat Flower Rhapsody on expert with sheer luck. Fuck yeah.
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I found her!
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during an event, every hour, one song gets randomly spotlighted. If you play the spotlighted song, you get bonus event points (enough to make it the meta pick). There is a 33% chance the spotlighted song is an event song, which is increased to 100% for the first 2 hours of the events release.
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Have they said anything about how long each "patch" will take? Will we go to 1.1 after this event ends?
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>>578463978
Wow, 40 free gems!
Nearly fifth of a roll!
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>>578504476
Yeah which people here should care about because of all the achievement farming that was going on.
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>>578504026
Kino sing congrats
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Everyone ready for the main event?
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>>578508279
I only have her 3* at 60 but aside from that yeah
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huh, i'm only 125-225 hexas away from maxing a full party's boards (probably less by uncapping 3*s but i def don't have enough materials to get that much)
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>>578508279
gonna dump all i have
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time for the sweatiest event
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it's Lune time!
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holodori.best nigga just invest in 1 more server
can't believe the site is so shit
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>>578509707
Just prep ahead of time. You know who the characters are gonna be each round
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>>578509492
For a second i thought it said takoyaki glazing and was so amused
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>>578509954
I did what I could but I can't prepare for the song in the most optimal way
after today it'll be mostly Kanade again anyway
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>game with 100 billion tracks
>to be efficient, play the same one x1000 every day
its a good thing holodori is the first ever rhythm game to exist haha because at least now we know for the future and can learn from this poor design decision haha :)))))
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>>578510459
The efficiency boost isn't even that big, I don't get the people doing it
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>>578510591
it's pretty substantial if you want to make the most of your boosts
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wow that's gotta be the easiest 25 i've seen
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>About to FC tako glazing first try
>Random drop on hold note
classic
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>1 hour on one song
>average 400k below optimizer average
>top score 400k below optimizer top score
thanks for fucking nothing
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this track made me check my note speed because it felt like 6 on 10
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>Queue into Multi
>Run into a Luknight with “Luknight” in his name and a Luna Level 30 badge
>Most of the players, including me, are omakase scrubs
>Luknight takes a while to choose his song
>He probably chose Lunatan’s new song
>Kanade...
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>>578511964
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>>578511964
pragmatic man, he knows what's actually best.
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>>578511356
>400k below optimzer average/top score
uhh what, you sure you don't mean 40k? are you getting it at least 80-90% perfects on FC?
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>new Luna song is kinda ass
Ah well shame
Luna still a sexo
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>>578509492
Why the fuck does the new event segment drop this time instead of during the daily reset??
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>another white popup
what was it...
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https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2091495672168214564
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVTIC3jzb8
Run or Catch
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>>578512597
Luna songs are mostly a hit or miss. her voice is incompatible with most genres, but she sounds good in Denpa.
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>>578512864
sounds like tag team on steroids. if you played S4 League before, it's probably going to be similar to the Chaser Mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geeLSonrytA

should be very fun!
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Luna song has a fun Hard chart so that's nice
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>>578513017
i hope they give it FPS-like controls. it's certainly going to attract the e-sports crowd if they do this right!
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>>578512864
Wonder if they'll announce the new gacha too
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>>578512864
its gonna be tail tag from fall guys isnt it
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>>578504084
i wonder if she kept diamond
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How do you guys keep getting quitters and meta song pickers, do you play on graded or something?
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>>578514658
i rarely see quitters on graded, but it's always Kanade or the event song there always.
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>>578514658
People do still pick meta and event songs in free btw (mostly event songs though, from what I've seen)
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what did they mean by this
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But seriously who looked at at 12th of a roll per day during events and decided it's good balancing
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>>578514658
S+ graded with auto on it's all been Kanade or Random for me. I saw one guy pick rebellion once and immediately leave after it didn't get picked. Picking meta songs in free with auto off seems kinda silly though
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>>578512597
shit taste, why would you not want two ina songs
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>It's the "mistook golden flick for press" episode
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Reroll when
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1st time playing a rhythm game, trying to git gud, highest number I can do is 12 currently.
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>>578514658
I play graded only if boosted but free otherwise. I experienced earlier a 4x Luna event song pick and someone picking Los Los Los. The off-picker quit after he didn't get his way and the rest of the lobby followed suit for some reason. The lobby disbanded because I was the only one left.
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>>578515240
It redirects you to their youtube channel
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>>578515240
It's the announcement for the stream; which is 2 hours long somehow. Wonder what they'll announce
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>>578518529
eos
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>>578517149
someone write a creepypasta explaining this pic
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn-rpYT0dD4
watch sora play holodori thanks
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I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO BUY OUT THE SHOP
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>>578512864
>more minigames
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>>578519782
I like her voice
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>>578518529
Next patch likely, with some luck it will have something interesting
It could also be them playing the new minigame for 90 minutes
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I played FFIX, you know.
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>>578517149
Putting in an effort to get good is far more important than where you're currently at
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>>578519556
The island is designed to lure fans for ritual sacrifice to the Hologods. The ritual involves singing and gorging on food
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>>578519782
What does her armpits taste like?
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>>578520489
What can they do to the main game? The only big thing I can see is a duel mode like Guitar hero. You do a 1v1 where you get random powers by doing combos that you can use on your rival (double notes, random notes, fade to black, slow/accelerate, mines, etc). The randomness of powers ala Mario kart means it's supposed to be taken lightly like Pokajan but tryhards will complain anyways.
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>>578521431
Pokajan is a serious business
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>>578520489
The minigames are the important part of the game since they give the opportunity to show off your oshi
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>>578521429
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So during that holomountain cutscene what was that glowing thing on the ground? A random treasure? holometal?
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>>578511118
Finally I can get my achievements
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>>578520489
Hopefully it's something that takes boosts. I'm so sick of skipping rope and cooking struggle meals.
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So far my rating of the new songs is

Mori's >>> Ayame's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Luna's >>>>> Ollie's
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>>578520489
minigames is how you get casual fans to stay and spend money on their oshis. otherwise all you have left are the rhythm game autists.
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>>578524343
either holometal (Mio discovered it on the mountain how the fuck did it got there despite the place being artificial is anyone's guess) or it's their way of telling you that random overworld drops are now enabled.
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with how these events are run, ive barely gotten to play minigames or anything else. i havent touched like half the songs because theres no time to
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>get way more event points playing KANADE multis
>but chance to get completely fucked and get significantly less points if someone picks a different song
What do I do? I can't afford to waste my boosts
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>>578527876
alt+f4
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>>578527876
>significantly
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>>578527876
Everyone in Graded is playing Kanade anyways. Off chance that someone picks the event song but you get a good amount from that anyways.
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>>578528086
30%
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>>578527876
Are you even enjoying the game playing like this, just spamming one song all day?
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>>578528330
I enjoy fighting for a rank for my Oshi Luna
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>140 rolls on the banner and not a single banner member

This has to be like exceptionally unlucky right?
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>>578512864
They really gotta learn what minigames their audience wants. Less multiplayer minigames more fishing or runescape-esque grinding.
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>>578529005
Very
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>>578529175
Yeah they should just copy all the minigames from Holocure like fishing, farming, base building, etc
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>>578529175
I'd love some cozy fishing with super rare catches
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>>578529175
Something quick that doesn’t require you to be glued to the screen for more than 10 seconds would be great.
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The #1 trick to fishing minigames is making the catching minigame fun
I'd say holocure did it quite well
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>>578529005
Very. You should be getting a banner unit on your first pull and and least one 5* on every roll.
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Membership resets tomorrow!*
I can't decide if I wanna buy a Live skin or something else since it's only gonna be 3 points this time..
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Game needs a fishing gathering hub where 20 Pekoras compare who has the longest Eel
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>>578529574
Those things suck balls in every gacha because they have to be painfully time/currency/convenience gated to try to make you spend money.
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>>578531945
tfw my oshi has awful colors for the live skin... my eyes...
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i hate this pattern
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https://x.com/YouTubeJapan/status/2091495920311414921
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>>578533239
Once one person Pokajans with this line up they just get 5 back to back IDs
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>>578532912
your dedication is so weak you arent willing to sacrifice your eyesight? shame..
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>>578532912
If your oshi is any of the blue women then their live skin looks barely different from the default blue dorito skin
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>>578534251
>if
Well she isn't
But I was unironically thinking of membering some holo for one month just to get the nicest looking live skin. Maybe one of the purple ones or a black one. The dark red ones are nice too.
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>>578531945
emotes for achievements obviously
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>>578534387
Sounds like you're in need of a certain Rat's chart skin..
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>Incognito player with 84k coins won
>I bet my life he quits out before he loses
>He does
LMAO
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I don't understand this event at all. I've been travelling the last couple of weeks so I haven't been able to play every day and just been trying to do bare minimum dailies when I can but I don't understand what I have and haven't missed for this event.
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>>578519556
Sorry, Ollie is in her period.
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>>578534740
>5 new gacha units drop with 5 holodori exclusive songs
>5 separate events starring each member and their event song
>6 separate shops, the 6th being common
>1st period was Calli, you had 2 or so days to get points and tokens to rank and clear her shop
>2nd period was Ayame, same deal
>3rd was Ollie
>Now it's Luna
>Next will be Ina
Very simple, though extremely monotonous too.
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>>578534740
Every 2 days there's a new chapter
Every chapter has a song and a exchange shop, plus some story scenes and achievements
You will be rewarded at the end of the whole thing on the rankings side of things
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>>578528424
you should be getting way more points playing tentako though, assuming you have swimsuit hime, 10% score bonus is huge
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>>578534251
Personally I love Kronii's and Nerissa's. Their shade of blue is perfect for the Mega Sphere background. I just wish Kroniis and Jailbirds aren't FAT FUCKS with big tap effects
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>>578529005
That’s reroll tier
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Fact on hard is the most fun chart
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>>578521361
You WILL give her your big red heart
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>every members I like and capped lvl 80
>all 5 full blue nodes
>leader full red playing her song
>yellow nodes 10% capped
>every memories, every 3 stars at least lvl20, 4 stars lvl30 and a lot of randoms lvl60
>all syngergize together as a sense team beside 1 passive
>cant get higher than 2m2 after dozen of tries
So it's the moment you realize you either whale for blooms and ditch your oshi for a meta team or say fuck it top 100 is good enough? Ranking should force you to include the holo you are ranking for in your team, half the whales in top 10 barely make any effort and copy paste their team on every ranking by just changing the leader.
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I just learned you can get abysmal rng and lose 30% of the score in the middle of a song
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Why is Luna's song an Ina song
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>>578537880
>half the whales in top 10 barely make any effort and copy paste their team on every ranking by just changing the leader.
I think this is the worst part
A whale can just pass by and claim the top 10 spot of your oshi with little to no effort
They literally go around collecting gold badges for shits and giggles
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>>578537880
Are you seriously expecting to compete with top 10 whales without doing so yourself? That's not how these games work.
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>>578537880
To be honest with you I don't think whales taking top spots is necessarily always malicious. I have a very strong team myself and stole a top 10 spot from a zomrade because I was trying to get her achievements before her new unit released. I've taken top 100 spots too just because of similar reasons being achievements to get more mats.
I agree that you should have to use the member as Leader and in your team to rank though.
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>>578539417
I don't mind losing to a whale that's fully invested into the same oshi, but do get a little salty at the ones touring around and stealing a spot from 20+ holomembers they probably don't give a shit about
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It's funny how itt are still trying to apply normal logic or "competitive spirit" to a fucking gacha, even after a month. How fucking naive people can be.
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I just fucking got top 10
I'm not forgetting to mention I have the pass, passport and membership
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if you're playing this game and DONT have the passport you're a chump, frankly
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>>578540451
On who? A random ID that only need 1100 ranking or a favorite that need 1600+?
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Escort me! Luknight is fun too
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>>578520831
I didn't do that miniquest in FFIX.
I'm not very good at hopping rope...
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Do we not get the awards for the event until the very end?
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>>578540583
t. holomem
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>push notification mid song making me drop the combo
>now people will think I'm a shitter who can't full combo Kanade on Hard
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>>578541560
Shit happens, bro. I have a -800 or something on an Expert song and got temp banned from multiplayer because I had a family emergency mid-song a while ago.
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Are you prepared for the holomem leaderboard cutoff later today? Not many hours left~
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>>578541995
yeah, fell out of top 10(from 3rd place) but I didn't try to improve my score this week
I'll give it a go next week when there's no event
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>>578542373
I'm almost dreading the day my oshi gets an event song or even a long ass song because then her leaderboard is gonna be a fuckass mess of non fans..
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>>578528148
I don't think this is true for Americans because everyone is only selecting the event song and leaving when I select Kanade
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>>578543510
im american and my graded lobbies are 95% kanade and then occasionally something else. havent had many leavers lately though
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>use my 15~ stamina I got since last night
>diamond luna
Nani
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>>578541995
Goatse
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>>578520831
>UP WE GO
>UP WE GO
>UP WE GO
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>someone leaving because i pick luna event song
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE
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>>578545741
Buy me boosts and I can play any song
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am I better off with 3* Luna in my team for event points or should I just use my absolute best team when it's time to play Kanade for the rest of the event?
yeah I'm kinda retarded
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>>578547408
How much do you care about minmaxing your rank?
I'd rather just do all songs and have fun and still do ok with rank than spam one song forever
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>>578547408
3* Luna gets you far more event points. You can do a comparison yourself to see
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>>578547408
I'm waiting until the day rolls over before testing so I don't waste boost. I'm in the exact same boat.
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>>578547408
level her to 40 and it's a lot more points
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>>578547643
>>578547676
>>578547702
thank you, will do
>>578547475
I want to stay in diamond at least, this one already looks more competitive than Ayame and Ollie but I mostly just hop on to spend my boosts
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I like Ollie's song more than Luna's song...
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>>578549263
well its a better song so that makes sense..
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>>578541995
I just checked and I'm still in the Korone Top 10, so I'm safe for now. Once the event ends, I'll grind the songs again since I just reorganized my green boards and I now have more GAMERS and Gen 4 boosts. Hopefully I'll finally get the 1500 rate.
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>>578512904
>she sounds good in Denpa.
And the new song isn't denpa somehow?
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>>578549263
Both are kinda bad, while Mori and Ayame were good
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Wonder if the next banner will be another 2 unit one or something different
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>>578551057
I think I would go Ayame's > Ollie's > Mori's > Luna's
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>>578551057
Oshi Mode is way better than Ayame's.
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>>578551057
Nah, Oshi Mode ON is by far the best of the bunch, it's super catchy, has a cool background MV and the chart is super fun to play. Calli is a close second except that the holodori version got butchered super hard compared to the full song.
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>>578552504
>>578552839
You're nuts
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ayame's songs all seem pretty samey to me. they're just japanese themed IIYYYOOOO type shit
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>>578552873
Ayame's song is generic trash, anon.
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>>578552984
That's exactly what I was thinking, it's a good song, but it's the typical forgettable japanese song. Even the MV is boring, it's the usual "static character with lyrics and fancy visual effects" stuff that japs love because of how fucking lazy it is.
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>>578541995
keeping an eye on some side gigs i could reset to secure, but nothing seems to be moving at all
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>tfw the real bottleneck are green cubes
I would gain more than +1 million in score with any team just by having infinite green cubes.
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>>578537880
Anon stop caring about the rankings unless you are willing to whale for literally maxed out team. it's waste of time, effort and nerves better spent either making things like fan art of your oshi or earning money so you can but more of her merch
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>>578553412
Mate they're not going to spend a ton of money on like 70 MVs
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>>578553683
Definitely. I have easily 3x the amount of red and yellow cubes compared to green and blue and that's probably only because I don't need multiple leaders or to get boosts on every members songs. I probably should go thru some of my unused members and give them yellow nodes for cube UP from holowork though. The shops are also pretty shit for getting mats too.
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>>578554076
The others MVs from this event are way better.
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Behead those who insult Ayame
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The chorus part starting here is good and way better than Oshit mode

https://youtu.be/-V3iBUpu2qY&t=52
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>>578553412
I can understand this to a degree but saying
>"static character with lyrics and fancy visual effects" stuff that japs love because of how fucking lazy it is
is just retarded and shows you don't watch many MVs
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>>578553412
>Even the MV is boring, it's the usual "static character with lyrics and fancy visual effects"
Are you sure you're not talking about Mori's MV?
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ayamebros are so sensitive
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>>578557139
I don't even care about Ayame she's lazy as fuck I just judge songs objectively as a connoisseur of music
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>>578557139
All last SEAmurais are like this. JP has been BTFO'd by EN and ID so many times over the years they always react like this when you say things like they are.
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don't fall for the bait, bros
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>>578557783
when is the next update preview stream?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVTIC3jzb8
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>>578557139
>>578557642
funny, from my experience, the people who make the biggest fuss are ID fans, likely indos themselves, when you say something along the lines of moona not being a particularly good singer
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thanks for proving the point
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>Takoyaki Gazing
>hold notes forming mayonnaise containers and takoyaki
>Expert Full Combo is 888 notes

Now that's how you make a fun chart.
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>>578558576
What's 888
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>>578558693
takoyaki is octopus
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I was playing the whole day and I was the only person making any moves in oshi ranking.
Everyone's too busy with the event or what?
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>>578558885
I don't dump my juice load until the start of a new day.
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>>578558885
I'm already top 10 so didn't bother this time.
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>>578558693
A set of 6 takoyaki.
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>Fall Guys daily
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>WAO! daily
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>>578558576
Chicken chan!!!!
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I was so close to 15 dishes, but I was picking the wrong bags in Choco's dish. Best score so far without having to remove extra ingredients.
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Farewell Ollie's top 10 I accidentally got.
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Fuck off
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The only one I care about.
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The only guaranteed to win this shitshow of a game.
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>>578562738
I feel like just calling it in early when I get 7-10
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>>578562738
I got ace-two-ace in a row.
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Daily reminder to never hoard IDs.
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>pushed out of oshi's top 100
To be fair, I'm still finalizing who's on my team and don't have them all at level 80 yet, but I feel like this wouldn't have happened if she wasn't featured in this event
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>>578562738
>chance at 12,800
>Low on King
>Ace

Every single time.
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Some things never change...
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I just witnessed a guy doing 7 Pokajans in a row and drawing the whole remaining 20 cards from the deck all by himself.
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>>578566861
When will they add honorary holos?
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>>578567616
Get in line.
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Excuse me?
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https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qj7frRGZ8AY
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>>578567762
The most abhorrent use of chromatic aberration yet. What a fucking hack. AI genned art is more respectable.
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>>578562618
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We did it
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Ranking is really easy if you convert all your gems to boosts and spam lives
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>>578553412
>"static character with lyrics and fancy visual effects"
On the other hand, I hate that full-animated MV cancer trend. So many girls stress their finances because everyone else is doing it.
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>>578572798
>So many girls stress their finances because everyone else is doing it
That's on them, no one's telling them to try and match Marine's insane MV quality because she knows that she will make all of that money back with how popular her videos are.
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>Play Tako Glazing
>Want takoyaki now
Thanks Luna
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i don't know if anyone else are also thinking about pulling on dupes, but i went from bloom 0 ina to bloom 2 ina

i am lower leveled at level 60, but the unit score jumps are 25k and 15k respectively
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>>578573417
actually i am retarded and can't count
it's 15k jumps for each bloom
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>>578573223
>she will make all of that money back with how popular her videos are
lol, these fully animated MVs cost so much they never make their money back no matter how many million views they get
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>>578573223
Marine doesn't even come close to breaking even with the view count on her songs. Each one probably takes months to pay back, even with the massive influx of money from her birthday/anniversary.
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>>578573417
So around a 1.5-2% increases each bloom per character
It does add up, though I expected bloom 1 to be a little more impactful
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>>578574469
Bloom 1 is only a boost to the active skill. Ina's boost is also middling - 85% to 100%. Ollie goes from 90 to 110% when you get her Bloom 1.
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>>578574785
Damn how is that fair
I thought they were all about a 20% increase
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>>578576075
skill rate activation increase is kinda nice. makes you bash your head a bit less, though not optimal for hi score tiering runs
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>>578576075
>gacha
>fair
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FIRST ALL THE GAME, LAST TURN SOMEONE STOLES 840 COINS FROM ME AND I END UP 4TH. i HATE THIS FUCKING GAME.
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>>578577109
If you're winning and the game is reaching the end, gotta play defensively and only drop cards you know are safe even if they break the sets in your current hand
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>>578577109
You can always hold the card to check whether that color has already been played or not. If you throw a three-pip card, that’s on you.
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>>578577109
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>>578577406
I don't understand, do I need a notepad to take notes of each player?
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>>578578670
You can long-press a card in your hand to see which colors have already been played, just like you can check the cards you’re still missing to complete the set.
You can also do the same with other players and inspect which sets they played in the previous turn.
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>>578579086
I didn't know that. That should be a tutorial or something.
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>>578579453
There’s also an icon (top-left?) that you can click to see information about all the cards.
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Luna's story has been my favorite so far
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Wonder if it's gonna be a full gamers banner or FubuMio/Okakoro duo banners.
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>>578573417
Good job. Now you get 18% more points for two whole days in exchange for all your gems. Huzzah
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>>578586419
worth for my ina
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>90 points from a pity
>it can't be that much can it?
>$200
yeah no thanks
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>>578572628
b-but how would i pull for my oshi's SSR?
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>>578587096
funny how guaranteeing pity can cost more than an anniversary set and overseas shipping combined
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https://x.com/jack5537/status/2091506490058342805
me after spamming Po a number of times
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>>578589652
it's been always like that even on most generous gacha games, but at least there you can actually save for them
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>>578589872
true but in my experience with the other two gacha i play they're way more generous when it comes to handling pity and the ability to get units. probably because they're KR and not JP
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>>578586419
the 18% event boost is for all events bro...
at least know what you are talking about before being snarky
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bau
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>>578590846
I need this as a figure so i can cream on it
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Remove Shion from the game. Seeing her in game but not being able to have her makes me SAD
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>>578591120
Keep her because I like looking up her skirt when she sits on the rail in the casino
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>>578591221
Maybe if they weren't just the copy pasted spats.
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>>578590846
me in the middle
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tfw everyone gets a full combo except you
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tfw you dont get full combo or all perfect but still easily get mvp
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>tfw the lag at the beginning of the song happens, killing you instantly and making you receive the lowest points and everyone thinks you're a shitter
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>tfw you tab out and back in at the start of every song so you never lag again and look like a shitter
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>tfw you are just a shitter
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Sorry lil' bro we're playing Takotime in this event.
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>>578590846
me behind the camera
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FACT is a cool song
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I wonder what song they'll pick for her birthday next month
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>>578589448
Didn’t you already get it when you started the game?
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>>578594719
what if his oshi is in justice or flow glow huh?
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so having been playing for a month, which member you see the least used in pokajan tables or multilives?
for me personally I almost never see Ririka, Iofi, and Lui. in fact I don't think I ever came across anyone using Lui.
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>>578595467
i dont think ive seen a single choco but the ones ive seen the least aside from her are kobo, nene and raden probably
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>>578595241
my condolences
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>>578595467
I've hardly seen any Raden or Kiara
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>>578595704
>kobo
huh weird, I see her quite regularly
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>>578590524
Wow, ok. All those gems for 10 days of 18%. Amazing difference.
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And I'm finally Dream Rank 35. The only difference I noticed in NePoLaBo Mart is that they offer more products per week, but it's still too expensive. They could at least give us 5 hexas per week or something.
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>>578596956
my advice for the nepolabo shop is to just let your event currency expire and turn into hologold since its more useful, at least in my experience anyway. granted it likely wont cover everything in the shop but honestly the only stuff close to being worth buying are the blue/green cubes and discounted beads, maybe crystals if you're desperate
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>>578597196
Crystals are always appreciated, but now I'm very short on Holonium, so I guess my next goal is increasing literally every holomem to Rank 30.
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>>578597330
yeah im lacking hololium myself. id like to get more members to 30 but man is it a slog.
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>>578577109
I got exodia'd a few days ago from 2k+ coins after I dry discarded into an all blue Advent hand. I honestly can't be mad since its more SOVL than 3 card spam.
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Why does the song filter have options for various levels of clearing, but no option to like specifically only show cleared songs
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i don't want to play high & low anymore but i have to play it for the daily coins...
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>>578601280
Hit the tables anon
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>two 2 ID gen Pokajan matches in a row

I'm done, if I see that again, I'm closing the game, I'm fucking sick of ID being a fucking pest in Pokajan.
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>>578601280
I wish High and Low had a weekly cap instead of daily. Maybe 200k coins per week. I don't mind playing it but I hate that its daily and I have to take it into account along with spending my live boosts.
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Good night.
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>>578602729
>high and low
Just play mega circuit. No limits and getting top 3 already nets you 10k+ coins
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>>578596897
It's actually 18% for all point based events for all time
Why do you think turbo whales get points so fast even if they don't have the event unit. They're getting 5x30% = +150% with their S+2 teams
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>>578596897
>he is not getting at least bloom 1 for the banners he pulls on and tries to go mihoyo fag route of collecting all cards at bloom 0
Bricked
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This event seems way more competitive than ollie's. im around half the rank i was for the last one
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>>578603497
azki's voice is so hot
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HOLY SHIT! I HATE HOLODORI'S 3D WORLD.
I'm stuck and couldn't even proceed with the story because fucking ollie is beside a toaster that pops up if you get near it accidentally and all kind of sounds and environment are being generated simultaneously. Clearly this game is made for high specs phone but it's a rhythm game for crying out loud. The default user interface should be simpler where you can just click things and finish the story not this overly complicated genshin style 3D shit. Fuck this game until they improve performance optimization. I just want to unlock pokajan...
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>>578609060 (me)
And I forgot to address the problem. Game ALWAYS crashes at that specific part.
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>>578573417
bloom 0 to bloom 1 mori is a 22k unit score jump
you definitely should be getting a dupe of the characters you like for the initial 15% event bonus, especially for future solo event bonuses like this one.
it's not feasible for f2p or low spenders to be constantly building up new characters for 10 day events, better to have a core consisting 2 or 3 member at best and rotating out the other members for event bonuses.

ina, mori and aki is my core that all boosts each other or themselves
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>>578609060
Just get an iPhone 17
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I wish some songs didn't have such a huge jump between hard and expert. Why not make the hard a little bit harder so it's not as big of a jump
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There is one part in Lunas new song where the yellow notes don't match the music
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>>578615602
the part where she talks?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39TLsZEFSHg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNpWaq9_pBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnZhADOzW28
The official channel posting preview videos for each of the minigames.
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I can't do the cross over holds
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>>578616209
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlvSFPVJYcc
Pokajan as well
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVcgZNQ0dU
tako san tako san
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>>578617016
Belly full of Tako
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>>578616753
The trick is that you don't have to cross over. With these cross overs from Ollie's song you can see that there's no notes in the middle, so you can just treat them as straight holds.
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>>578561550
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>>578617675
It's more the ones where one side has a hold that crosses over and but other side isn't a hold and is just notes
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>>578617890
it's a technique that carried over from chunithm. it's mostly an acquired skill and charts usually indicate this by making the overlapping note a yellow
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>>578617890
Ah yeah. This is where skills from other mobile rhythm games come in handy.
All of these games don't properly track your fingers if they get too close to each other. During a cross over, it's possible to change which finger you're using for the hold without dropping combo. So if it goes from Right to Left, you can move from your right hand to your left hand during the middle by just tapping the screen with your left when your right gets to the middle and then continue the hold with your left.
If you can find a song which has it, I can give you a quick visual guide as well.
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>>578617890
I think you mean the reverse of this one where the middle is a hold and you tap around the sides (Pretty sure Firebird Expert has it). I can manage them on the tablet but not sure if/how a thumb phone player would do it.
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>>578618225
I've just been bouncing between III and Doggy God. The ones in III are slower but the Doggy God ones are faster and trip up my brain.
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>>578617890
>>578618225
Kingworld's infamous zigzag can be cleared by holding all the lanes with your fingers while the free ones take care of the rest
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>>578618657
Oh the one in Doggy God is a good one to use for training this. It even indicates when you need to switch over hands by having a new note in the middle.
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NO. DON'T SAY IT!
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>>578511118
Soraz is easier I think
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>>578529175
Catching shiny Magikarps
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>>578529175
>add FPS-esque minigames
there i saved you're game!
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>>578564590
Wait that's not..
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It's crazy to think how many good songs there are still to add
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Forgot how late these fucking streams are in my timezone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVTIC3jzb8
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>>578609060
>>578609208
try sending a feedback to fix the bug or performance?
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Why do easy charts have invisible track
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Is there a quicker way to collect the achievs rewards for all holomem without having to literally go through one by one
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Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLVTIC3jzb8
>>578625065
No
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>>578621620
>>578625820
They're gonna show off the Halloween cards for next week right?
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>>578626001
I hope you like not knowing banners before the drop
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>>578626001
Swimsuit 3 letsgoo
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>>578626001
it's september...
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It actually pains me to see the Hologirls shill Japanese gacha games because of how awful they are. If only they got with the times, they could be shilling much better looking products even if it's just more gachashit.
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>>578626001
its gonna be yukatas
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>>578626280
Halloween cards next week followed by Christmas card teaser then, possibly even half anni news
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the hajime picture was cute, the rest of these are extremely low effort
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>most of the photo contest winners are biased towards the stream participants
why did i even bother?
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>>578626943
deka koto was clever
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>>578627036
lmaooo nigga they were never going to show that
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>the Countach chart with gimmicky stops made it
nice
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amogus?
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holy fuck i kneel to 35p chartmaker
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These are high effort
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>create charts will be full of picture spams from here on just to get noticed in the main channel
it's will be like those "don't move" Mario Maker stages all over again...
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Wait this looks good
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o wait. it's the Cops and Robbers HoloX minecraft event, but holodori!
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does this shit has fog of war
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Whoa neat new minigame
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Holodori, the friendslop of gacha.
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can't wait for some oob bullshit ruining the minigame within 3 days of release
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>>578627975 (me)
wow they actually do kind of have it
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>more pvp
please just let me grind without dealing with japanese people
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Asia bros, whats would you estimate the dream rank cutoffs to be? My eyes are getting kinda out-of-focus/blurry from too much playing. I'm currently sitting around the 3mil mark.
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If you pick random you don't get to leave because it picked a song you didn't want
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>>578628208
you're not telling me you hit 3mil with only manual right..
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>Holo amogus
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>>578628208
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>>578628303
>>578628505
I see...
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>hololium
you will play this minigame.
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They're adding hexas to NePoLaBo, they're listening.
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diamonds... doko...
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A whole 500 diamonds
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UMI DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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third area
SODA POP LAGOON
more details in the stream next month
also new mini game
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I was right.
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https://x.com/holo_dreams_en/status/2091870867894800647
Updates
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>>578629454
You certainly were, random anonymous user with no context.
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>>578629454
vaguepostKING
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>>578629402
>next month
So new Area in October?
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>>578629454
Don't take credit for my post
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I was wrong.
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>>578629724
around release they mentioned in that IGN interview that there would be new areas every couple of months, so it might launch late next month.
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>SOUL
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I love being in the World*
*These 7 cities
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damn cover really have money to burn...
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>>578629972
it's not as bad as Nijisanji's "World" Tour kek
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>>578629983
fat bloody fingers are sucking your soul away...
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what the fuck IS it though, concert, expo, what
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>holodori stream
>minigames and merch
>actual update info was already known
Thanks
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>>578630209
the third area was new though.
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>no banner teasers
I'm going to freak out
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>>578630262
>
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>>578630267
Feel free to roll anon, your oshi isn't on the next banner!
Probably
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>>578630267
they probably dont wanna take out the winds off the current banner.
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i never want to hear kanade ever again
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>>578630327
How much money do the holos have to be buying all of these islands?
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>>578630262
I was hoping for some songs or even the banner to tease some songs. I don't give a FUCK ABOUT THE BOAT.
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>>578630327
is that a Blitzball stadium?
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>>578630496
nice boat though
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You get your fishing minigame
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Please tell me there gonna be a break between events so I can save sone resources and play some other songs for once...
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>>578630384
I mean sure but the next update is in 4 days
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>>578630767
lol we're getting a 4th summer event with the new patch.
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Only care about collecting chibi holomems, are more coming? New area is kwl too. Also prison rabbit outfit when
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>>578629480
>creator QOLs
they should at least have an option to create a clip of the chart in autoplay so you can easily share a preview on twitter or SNS of choice
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>>578630453
*selects you & aizu*
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>>578629480
>Improvements related to disconnects during Pokajan

I'm expecting them to reset the leaderboard too.
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>>578631096
I think that may cause genuine suicides
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>>578631210
Oh no...anyway.
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>>578630492
you could hear azki speaking in a casual tone on iroha's loading screen
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>>578631259
Chibi Mint would be great.
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Why are indiecucks always begging?
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Luna played half of the song without realizing it was auto
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Hime...
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>>578632003
nna...
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I had forgotten that JP game update streams are 95% yap and 5% actual update info.
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this isnt a world holodori takeover when you only go to asia and usa
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>>578633017
asia (east and southeast only) and usa is all that matters anyway who cares about other countries. USA USA USA
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>>578633017
no one plays holodori in Africa to be fair
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>>578633017
I'm sure they'll go to the lesser known countries like North Korea, Madagascar, and Ukraine soon enough
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Farming lvl 30 on holos that are not your main for that 1 holonium is pure torture if your are not a whale. Whales can already buy holonium directly with tickets and they are increasing the cap to 30 fucking holoniums per month for them.
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what's the most efficient way to farm freechats? i never see anyone in the plaza or gamers station spot. am i supposed to just go there and keep switching characters or what?
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>>578631096
>>578631259
Please reset it. It should take your 1k coins at the start of the match instead of at the end.
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>>578635920
Supposedly the best way is to log out and in and check the harmony garden areas then repeat until you get a conversation, then you swap to a member of that conversation in hopes it swaps to new members but sometimes it just disappears the chat entirely. I have had limited success with that method so there may be a better one.
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>>578635920
>use https://holodori.best/maps/free-chat to track them
>fountain ones are the easiest, just keep switching holomems to one of the ones who were chatting to get a new one
>if a new chat doesn't show up, switch to one of the holomems currently sitting on the fountain
>the ones in Fortune Network and Tarafuku Journey are relatively easy, just keep switching until you get them all
>the ones in the grass patch in front of holoCinema and on the chairs next to holoHome are the worst ones, you pretty much have to get lucky to get one

There was one japanese guy who documented which idle holomem positions in the park affect the chats, I wish I had saved that. Did you know that there's one holomem hiding behind a window outside of holoHome which affects the free chats in front of holoHome? Those kind of little things make farming chats particularly annoying.
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>>578635920
>>578637221
To add, if you're farming for a specific holomem, make sure that they're currently not locked in a specific spot, like being the hosts for Live in front of the stage. The worst ones here are the IDs, NePoLaBo, GAMERS and Gen 4 because they always have one member from each gen attending their respective venues.
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>>578461292
>>578458181
>>578454609
No one can jerk off to those low budget models
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>try to bait out blue Ririka
>get exodia'd in the process
Whoops my game crashed
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>>578638342
Challenge, eh?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxENc_4y7RI
It's takotime (full version)
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My takeaway from the stream is to abuse Pokajan disconnect before the inevitable patch
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>>578629480
spamming the same song in multiplayer will have diminishing returns now?
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>>578640368
2k ends up being just a blip in the long term, desu i don't even understand why you would ever need to disconnect to avoid losing it unless you are terrible at the game and incapable of raking in millions regardless
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>>578629480
>was hoping for some details on the changes to live together and event songs
>basically just repeated what they already told us
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>>578640310
This is actually a great song. Plebs just don't get it.
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>>578640310
MAYO MAYO BEAM
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>>578640741
I disconnect on quads/quints monocolor hand so the Pokajanner feels good about the outplay. I will still continue to do so even if its patched.
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>>578638342
WHY DID YOU SKIP INA
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>>578640741
>i don't even understand why you would ever need to disconnect to avoid losing it
It's not about the coins, it's about the ranking, disconnecting keeps your rank intact so you can just keep raking wins mindlessly. This will be patched in the next update and hopefully they will also reset the ranking.
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>>578640310
TAKO SOKUDO GA HIKARI IJOU
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Does multiplayer even give a boosted score? Even on a good run my score never changes from a solo run.
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>>578641449
Ina is already there

>>578458181
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>Dead by Daylight but hololive
might be kino
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>>578642594
It boosts your rewards/event points
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>>578642594
Fever time gives you a score boost for the song point calculations, but that gets removed when it comes to high scores. If you're grinding for a high score you should do it solo, since you can restart if you get a bad luck streak.
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>>578640741
I disconnect if I get blasted without even having had a chance to play the game.
>only got shitty 120 pokajan
>guy nearly 1 shots me on the first discard
>1 guy gets 7 pokajans in a row
Shit like that. Its bitch made for sure but at that point I lost to bad luck and bad rng so fuck that. I have been trying to curb the habit though.
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>below is my current team
Is 20k worth it to use the above team, assuming I already spent materials on my current team? I also still have some standard tickets left from uninvited holomems so it might change again if I get lucky.
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>>578642594
Multiplayer for events, Solo for score attacks. Solo is particularly useful if you're aiming for a specific score, so if you don't get it at the end of the song, you can just restart without spending more stamina.
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>>578643325
>replaces Shiori for Korone

100% worth it.
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>>578643325
20k is pretty much nothing unless you're really trying to scrape for a leader board position or something. I wouldn't invest super hard into Korone unless you just want to use her. Waiting for the next banner is probably the optimal decision since something more beneficial may be just around the corner.
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>>578630725
fishan is real!
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High and low really is free money
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>>578643325
Good enough for now
You’re missing mococo to pair with summer Mori. She’s an absolute cute sense beast
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>>578643526
don't be like that
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>>578645952
I don't make the rules.
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Sexiest swimsuit free
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>>578643325
The theoretical best team atm is Lamy, Botan, Korone, summer Calli, and Mococo, so might be worth
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>>578647691
that's true, you didn't have a say on god making your skin brown
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>holodori.best prioritize average score instead of theorical best in Team optimizer
Any option to change that? I don't mind grinding.
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>>578649507
I don't think you can change it really but you could set custom card level/bloom for your owned cards and then make it optimize boards then have it create like 10 options for you to choose from and check the potential max scores of each to decide what to build.
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The burnout from this event is real
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>>578649330
Least schizo novellite, I see.
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>>578650297
I'm tired boss and we still got Ina left
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>>578650297
I haven't used a single drink and I'm still in Dream rank. I'll just grind KANADE again at night.
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>>578650613
Just yabadabado me in already
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KIARA EVENT WHEN
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>>578650083
>Snake Eyes Bae is peak design
>I don't like the song

Eh, can't win 'em all.
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I find both Fuwawa and Mococo very hot and they have cool last names
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>>578650297
I just burn a few live boost potions to get to dream/diamond instead of burning out on fallgays. You get at least 2 per day and after the patch, it will be in the basic ticket shop and there is nothing valuable in it atm.
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>>578651354
She said not for a while so Myth fans can feel free to pull for Mori and Ina
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The mini game looks okay.
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I have exactly as many music disks as locked songs. Do I buy all of them now?
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>>578654105
always keep a few as back up
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>>578654105
I would buy only the songs you like
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>>578654105
I bought them all, you still get music discs every 5 days, so 3 more per month.
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>>578654864
Every 10* days. Brain hort excuse me
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>>578654105
Only buy the solo songs for achievements skippa the rest unless you like the song
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>>578654105
It's silly how slow the disc income is considering how many songs are going to get added through birthdays alone
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>>578656123
Birthday songs are free
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>>578656123
Don't we get those for free anyways? The last song we had to buy with discs was added as part of the initial 10 day wave.
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I don't know why this "bd songs cost discs" started
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Some of these songs feel like they were made for people with more than 2 fingers.
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Kingworld wasn't free, was it? So it's better to save.
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>>578656992
You can always play that way. Some people grew up playing Chunithm and stuff so they instinctively play 4k
Though 99% of the time I play 2k, I occasionally mix in 3 or 4 finger play for certain sections or when caught off guard during sightreads
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Robocute
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>>578657446
yeah it was part of the 25 songs in 15 days thing
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why does this game have so many leavers
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>still the same thread from yesterday
well, anyway, thoughts on the new game modes they're adding?
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>>578658813
not a beta tester, I don't really have an opinion.
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In other news I went through all memberships in the game and decided that Moona has the best looking live skin so I bought it and instantly cancelled it again just to buy that skin
It's so nice, both the color and the font
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>>578658529
In Multi its usually people don't want to waste boosts on "unoptimal" songs so they leave.
In Pokajan it's to keep rank and coins typically.
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>>578659524
Minmaxers optimizing the fun out of everything. A tale as old as time.
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>>578652759
How would she know though? Both Ina and Calli were surprised by their banners already coming up this event
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>1.97
def been quitting out hard
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Is there a list of the illustrators for the 5* cards?
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>>578661625
Unfortunately they don't display it in game. I think most of the artists behind the art have posted, but you'd have to try to search through Twitter to work out who did what (good luck with that).
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>>578661310
Didn't record any special voice lines yet, I'm guessing
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>>578661625
you have danbooru, idk if it's complete, you may be able to get them from japanese wikis
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Where can I find the in-game screenshots I've taken? On PC.
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>>578662775
hololiveDreams in pictures
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>>578662775
In Pictures folder
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10k more until the big 100
I welcome the big reset if they have the balls to do it
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>>578661934
>>578662460
Thanks, I was hoping someone else had done the work, but I guess I'll have to do it myself.
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Is it worth the 60 bones?
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>>578664284
>acrylic stands
cmon man
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>>578664284
Sure why not
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>>578662990
>>578662992
Thanks.
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Does anyone remember how many ICU Chips the Casino shop would let you buy at 10k before they became 50k apiece? Trying to figure out how many coins I will need to have by the time it resets (Lvl 35 sidequest with Anya requires 10 chips)
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How do I farm freechats? Could really use the achievement for my leader right now and I just need to read 1 more free chat from her
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>>578664592
Why would they reset? They aren't monthly limited items.
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>>578654105
I couldn't hold back when I was in your position, I bought them all. Guess I'm screwed if they bring in more non-free songs. Stupid thing to gatekeep, I hope they just get rid of that mechanic entirely
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>>578664787
Who's your leader? Also use https://holodori.best/maps/free-chat to track them. If you're hunting for a specific pair, make sure that the other holomem isn't working as an NPC in a venue, then just keep switching to the holomem currently chatting to keep cycling to new ones until you get the one you want.
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>>578665281
Oh thanks man. Switching to the one chatting right now to make them swap is smart
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>>578664858
They have the "times/month" tag like a lot of other items I assume will reset monthly.
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>>578660702
just have fun without them. it's not that big a deal
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>>578664284
dioramas are cool, don't know if it's worth the money, though.
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>>578594342
Twappi has a lot of cool songs
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>>578665572
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So we all agree Mori has the best song and Luna's an easy second right?
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>>578667164
Ollie > Mori > Luna >> Ayame
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>>578667164
Ollie > Luna > Mori > Ayame

Ollie is the catchiest and her chart is super fun to play. Calli's song should have been a very close second, but the holodori version was butchered compared to the original, they really should have kept the rap.
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>>578667164
Luna's song is trash.
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>>578667164
Calli >> Ollie >>> Ayame > Luna

This is a rating purely on song enjoyment and not so much chart. Calli and Ollie have good songs to listen to. Ayame's is fine but frankly just her usual Japanese themed slop. Luna's definitely isn't her best work as far as listenability and such goes.
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>>578667164
Mori > Ayame > Luna > Ollie
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>>578667164
Hmm nyo
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This is my first rhythm game, and sometimes I realize that my fingers move automatically while playing fast songs. If I start thinking about it while I'm playing, my fingers stop responding and I fail.
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>>578670040
The zone
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>100 full combo
>1 (one) all perfect
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>>578670040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaS3R5KF-18
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>>578670040
Sometimes I take my glasses off and let my eyes cross just to get fully into the zone.
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>Checking best how to put 4* Ina in a team because gacha luck got me fucked up
>Tells me to switch my team from Performance to Sense requiring a leader switch and 3 different members
The things I do to just get platinum
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>>578671037
Thou art simply weak. I don't use the members units at all, except Ollie, and I've gotten diamond and dream with ease. All you have to do is not have a weak team and do multi for shit loads of points.
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>>578671590
I don't think S+ is that weak, I'm just very much not willing to spend live boosts. Also I did get diamond on Ollie's banner and I'm sitting around 1200 on Luna's atm
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>>578664592
I think it's 5 per month at the 10k priceline.
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is it over for me in pokajan?
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So is the new minigame like tag/hide and seek or something?
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>>578672228
Same here
I could aim for Diamond for everything, but i dont wanna use too many live boosts. So im getting a couple Diamonds and im good.
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>>578671253
How?!
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>>578671037
platinum should be easy as long as you got the pass that gives 20 live boost cap and can spend a half hour twice a day autoing in multis
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>>578672682
No
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>>578670040
It's a useful skill and rhythm games are one of easier ways of learning it, enjoy
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>320 Perfect
>1 Great
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Man playing multi live at these hours is great
>Tons of non-event song picks
>Everyone using stickers
>Skill level varying between expert only rooms and rooms with multiple people on normal
The optimal holodori experience really
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>>578678613
You can get this at anytime if you stop playing graded rooms
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https://x.com/haruchimnnn/status/2091931444323209331
>"Leader and Solo Song 30 Times / Live N Times"
Completable with custom charts (AFK, 0 stamina)
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>>578672696
There is a summary in the in-game announcement.
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>>578679821
That's cool and all but...
>red cubes

Nah.
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>>578680224
It is primarily for the EXP, you want everyone at rank 30 for the Hololium reward (this is also why farming freechats is useful)
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she needs to stop flaunting her fat boobies
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>>578680737
She should never stop doing that
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New things to trade event coins for, nice!
>megasphere coins
Why don't I just throw my points in the trash instead
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>>578679821
Man they really need to change it to "In team and song with them in it"
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Any tips on what finger gloves to get for this game or the cheapest 60 pack for five bucks will be fine
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>>578681746
dont know brands or anything but i advise getting gloves over finger sleeves, mostly because i play with more than 2 fingers and putting them on individually is a pain in the ass
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Do you have any run killers in Mega Circuit anons? For me it's the stupid bridge. I've already lost if it's in.
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i do not mega circuit anymore but kiara's fat fuck orange chickens always stun locked me when i was within 5 feet of them
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The holohome daily reward needs to be buffed; 5k gold is crap compared to all the other dailies.
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>>578683509
the bridge kills me as well, probably the one I 'die' on the most
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>>578683856
The dailies should have fucking Gems, dude. Even expensive gachas have those.
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I think the event shop should also have event gacha tickets.
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>>578683509
Haachama's section is always a coinflip, you barely have enough time to see which side has the spinning haatons and even then, the hitboxes can be really weird and you can fall just because the game felt like it. Claw game also pisses me off, I swear I always arrive at the worst possible cycles.
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Some Pokajan games be like
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>>578684558
Similar to Haachama, the bed one is a pain but doable. Unless you slip in. (I'm mobile so that's very easy.)
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