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>>578854274I think named characters will work more like in 3k so they are still mostly generic lords of generic archetypes, but with preset look and a gimmick or twoSo basically if you play as Ultras you will have Titus and Ventris and so, but they will be generic Captains functionally
>>578855085Previous: >>578759486sorry U.U
>tfw Medieval 1 fags won and got all they wanted
>>578855060Action points seem like ca giving up on making the campaign ai not shit the bed on a spherical, open and proc gen'd campaign map and going back to the older fool proof system which is whatever to me
TURIN, multiplayer godlord, has made his legendoftotalwar prophecies for DLC
>>578855306Even passfag did better than you. Shame on you.
>>578855450When are they adding Skaven?
>>578855450Emperor Children ?!
I can't decide which Chaos legion I like most to look forward to it most.>Alpha Legion>Thousand Sons>World Eaters>Iron WarriorsYou guys have any favorites?
>>578855641WORLD EATERSANGROOOOOOONNNN
40k sucks
>End Times looks kino>40k looks promising so farDo you think Legend regret his retire after these news? Will he come back?The Total War fandom needs him. /twg/ needs him.
>>578855450>Agents all the way down there.BUT I WANT MY FUCKING ASSASSINS NOW!!Also would it be asking too much that Agents be made into lords/heroes you can recruit in other imperial campaigns rather than the atrocity of an "army" they are in tabletop?
>>578855701He doesn't even play EU5 anymore, I think he's moved on from gaming (at least broadcasting it)
>>578855786>Playing EU5He was depressed and tired, not a masochist
>>578855450Sororitas that early? Copium bro, Tau are gonna be taking that spot and Sororitas can be third wave
Grav tanks look even faggier in 3D. Primaris was a mistake.
>>578855450Wishful thinkingIt implies we will get big, major, popular factions first and an absolute scrap nobody cares for at the end. This is not how you drip feed content. It would outright kill this game in later stagesBig faction releases will be separated again by SubFaction dlcs. And then further separated with nothingburger "major" factions like Votann or CustodesCSM will be first that I can agree with
>>578855941>Sororitas and Tau both two of my favorite factions.Guess I'll win either way.
>>578855450>Death Guard having priority over Thousand Sons and World Eaters.>Emperor's Children not even on the list.This doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
What even is the ork playstyle? All they do in the demo is charge forward..
>>578856340You thought they would be totally different from fantasy?
>>578855450there's no way custards are higher than anything else on that listI'd put genestealers higher since they're like free rebellion fodder
>>578855276Why doesn't the Warden of the eastern fringe oversee eastern Ultramar?
>lordless armies are backI need to hear no moreTake my money CA
>>578856340Ork clan tacticsGoffs: Big pile of violence rushing the enemy, compare them to Grimgor. All of them do melee rushes, but these guys do nothing but.Evil Sunz: Light tank and bike spam. Paint everything red then go join the White Scars, Saim-Hann, etc. at the race line.Bad Moons: The shooty orks, more flash gits than others. Also rich af because their teeth regrow faster.Snakebites: Wurrzag IN SPAAAACE, orks that refuse to put on armor, use vehicles that aren't boars or squigs or wield anything more advanced than a basic gun.Blood Axes: Kommando specialists, actually somewhat given to using tactics and sometimes even being able to use diplomacy.Deathskulls: Looters and mek heavy, they use more machinery than the other orks and paint everything blue for luck.
hwuh? We don't car about any of this. Post about LoTET, or don't post at all.
>>578856340Brutal but kunnin', kunnin' but brutal
>>578855450Would the knights even be their own faction? They sound like an even bigger nightmare to fit into this game than the tabletop
>>578856831I don't care for Ultras enough to know this
tw40k just looks like dawn of war
>>578855786>he doesn't even play EU5 anymoreNobody does. Which is funny as shit because he made a video saying the game was "his future", so he obviously planned on coming back for the money at some point.
>>578857347They can be allies to other Imperials, like in DoW4 and DoW3 evenThey had serf militia in DoW3 and it's showed in art too. If GW cared, they could expand on those and then make them into actually army. Some people want it, but most think they are fine as they are and turning Knights into an actual new army instead of making something like Exodties, Lost and the Damned/Darkmech would be a waste
>Just realized Ikit's workshop is probably going to get the Warp Magma Cannon and every variant of the stormfiends.Ruh-roh.
>>578857479and dawn of war looks like TW in their campaignthe merge....
>>578857347nah, they come with a bunch of extra baneblades
>>578857347they actually would fit in the existing characters oriented playstyle of fantasy, they're supposed to operate with either the Mechanicus or their own household troops, Mechanicus are just Mechanicus and Knight household troops can just be represented by reskinned Guardsmen but GW's stance on such a thing is unknown.
>>578857638>does nothing>winsikitchads we fucking won
>>578857731DoW3 had those
>armies entering a region trigger auto battlewe are stuck on railway tracks now, if someone doesn't know THIS IS HOW IT WAS IN DAWN OF WAR, BUT THIS IS TOTAL WAR
>>578857834Also I forgot, but there was a schizo theory that Tempestus Scions were meant to be Knight foot troops originally since they mesh well with them and share those same design cues, but then were repurposed after their models were made already
>>578857917>no more benny hilling after a stackYou don't need to sell me on the game
>>578857789Between this and the fact Snikch's dlc also added the warp-grinders and mortars, it really does feel like Ikit wins with every iteration.
>>578856512I run war3 on low...
>>578857589SOVL>>578857834Soulless, as expected of DoW3
>>578857917medieval1 bros... we are going home!
>>578858020Tbh I could see it. The original assault troops for the IG had a different vibe even if the helmets were slightly similar.I've never really liked how Scions look though. Kasrkin look fantastic to me, not so much the "common" variant.
It's time for Clio
>>578855450Im gonna ask CA tomorrow when Tau will release.
>>578858363Im so glad I filtered the word "Clio"
>>578857589I didn't know they had serf armies. I guess they could play like vampire counts, a bunch of chaff getting carried by their lord
I don't know how play skaven
>>578858584wait for pusbags and suicide bomb eveyrone
>>578858584with snikch you should be ambushing everything
>>578856831They're just hype names. They don't actually meaningfully refer to anything real. It's like Tony the Tiger telling you Kellogg's Frosties are "Grrreat!" Like, yeah, he's supposed to say that.
>>578858363You just know she's an absolute unit with a face like white George Floyd.
>>578858847mhm mhm
it looks like shit and you know it
Be a good person.
>100% ambush chance>*click end turn*>Ennemy army attack me in normal land battle
>>578859018Every 40k game has been shit. 40keks are scat enjoyers thoughever.
does pestilens have any mechanics or are they a more "vanilla" skaven faction like mors/rictus? i could have sworn they had a plague cauldron similar to nurgleare they getting anything for ET?
>>578859018actually looks decent in lionhearts video
>>578858584>SnikchTwo ways to make your army: old style frontline and backline, you take a line of melee infantry (either clanrats with shields and spears if you want some more staying power, or just skavenslaves if you just want cheap chaff) and put night runner/gutter runners with slings behind them and pretend you're playing elves. Or the full Eshin playstyle, spamming death dealers, eshin triads and gutter runners with shurikens.Ambush the shit out of everything, and in sieges you climb the walls with all your stalking units where they're not defended and just make sure to move everywhere to cap points where they're undefended. If you have non-stalk units, put them all on the opposite side from the walls you'll climb.
>>578859205They probably spotted you since you're hiding behind a bush about 5 meters away from their town.
>>578859287They have the dubious mechanic of being the most neglected clan in the game despite being canonically the strongest one.Though I guess by ET they fall behind Skryre, the Pestilens aren't blowing up no moons.
Be an undead person.
dow isnt shitgame actually has soultotal war version looks like it was made for chinks on adderall in a dystopian AI slop controlled future
Be an extra alive person.
>>578859485that's a shame... skrolk seems kinda cool, plague priests have funny voices, and pestilens units have fun flavor.
Be
>>578859487Ok Nagash.>>578859636Ok Alarielle.
Be a bad person
>>578859487all die
>>578859801
Be a wood person.
>>578859287Its a soulful faction not powercrept dogshit, yes
>>578857638sex
I’m not that familiar with 40K. I know psykers are akin to spellcasters in fantasy but are they as common? Do space marines use them? Will every space marine and guard army have one attached like wizards in fantasy or is it mainly an eldar and chaos thing?
>>578859914Total war GFL when?
Be a person
>>578859992Yes, every army will have a psyker. Every army will also have offscreen bombardments. So if you though Chorfs were cancer to fight in fantasy, prepare your anus.
>>578860021This is the best you'll get.
>>578859992Yes, the hazardous nature of possession is more of a thing in 40k but everyone uses them, kind of nuts psykers for IG and more stable "librarians" for SM
>>578860143You think orbital bombardments are bad, wait till they add Necrons.
>>578857557Didnt he say he wanted to do other grand strategy games like Stellaris?
>>578859992There is a librarian in today's gameplaywhich is the space marine mage equivalent
>>578859485>the Pestilens aren't blowing up no moons.No, but Skrolk was the MVP in the war in Lustria. Over in the Old World the rats were making a big deal of conquering individual human cities and dwarf holds, but over across the ocean Skrolk was in charge of a war effort that spanned a continent. In that campaign he was quite likely commanding more rats than any single skaven before him had ever done.
>>578859992They're as common as the story needs them to be, sometimes less than fantasy sometimes moreyes space marines have them, they are called librariansNot all space marine chapters or guard regiments use them but you'll see them commonly enough
>>578859992Every faction save for Tau has them one way or another. And Tau have client races with Psychic powers too, simply don't have models for them yet. Deldar have a workaround in a style of Medusae. Necrons have Crypteks with NotMagic https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cryptek#Disciplines_of_Techno-SorceryMarines have Librarians and you can see him in trailer even
>>578859992I think by the nature of having to sacrifice 1000 Psykers to keep the Emperor alive, they are a lot more common, but are either sacrificed for whoever side reaches them first, or dies due to inability to handle powers. Those that are not sacrificed or self destructed can be trained to utilize their power for the Imperium, Both Guard and Astartes use them
>>578859287Your unique mechanic is the Plague mechanic all Skaven got is more efficient.Plague Cualdron is 100% mod.They get new "plague themed" units with the DLC (nothing else confirmed so far, we have to wait for the Thanquol article/livestream).
>>578859992Necrons, Tau, Admech, Sisters of Battle, Dark Eldar, Black Templars and World Eaters have no psykers, everyone else does including all the launch factions.
>>578859992I'd say they're relatively as common as a percentage of the population as mages are in Warhammer Fantasy. But because 40k is so much bigger in scale, this means there's also comparatively many, many, MANY more psykers, which means they can gather in much bigger quantities if the plot demands it.Space Marines do use them, space marines and/or recruits that are found out to be warp sensitive get trained to be librarians. Every chapter (save the Black Templars) has a whole bunch of them, sometimes called something else according to chapter culture. The Imperial Guard uses sanctioned psykers, which are the normal human psykers that get sent on the black ships to Terra. A thousand of them get fed every day to the Emperor to keep him alive, the rest get some sort of training and get sanctioned for use in the various non-space marine forces of the Imperium and sent to serve. The Imperial Guard ones are relatively shitty and prone to exploding, so a regiment might or might not have one.
>>578859992the Imperium basically has to use psychic powers for anything FTL related but those are mostly background characters, depending on how a specific SM chapter feels towards the Warp they can field almost no psykers or have more psykers than average
>1 minute!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8egEUt4Qco
>>578858363Is she a boy or a girl??
>>578855450Im hoping for early sisters and tyranids
>>578858584purple flasks
>same buildeh
>>578860143>every army will have a psykeruntrue
>the audio is shite againThis is how you know they're gonna drop some good shit.
Josh needs to take some courses on mic setup
>>578859992the amount of psykers born within a single year among the totality of the imperium can power the golden throne for like 1000 years and those are just the battery level ones, sanctioned psyker are basically everywhere
>white male devsnyooo..
>>578860901Okay, Tau and Necrons will have something else that's not lore-wise a psyker but will fulfill the wizard role in gameplay. Happy now?
>>578858584Artillery behind, slave rats in front
>>578858185still can't get this running on win10
THE MIC ISN'T EVEN ON
>>578861074damn... nippy in here...
sisters of battle when?
>>578861015you still missed some factions like admech and black templar but yes :)
>>578859205thats ambush CHANCE not ambush SPOTTING CHANCEhow could you not realise? :^)
I see that CA is learning how to do streams with GW
>>578861162they're calling it the most jewish picture ever made
>>578861162>going to hell that hard
>>578861264LMAO
>>578861162I recognize a brazilian when I see one
Casualties vs Injuries new mechanic for TW40k https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/s/HfWUKRLFgl
>infinite ammo during battles nowwell............ ok
>>578861416Go back.
>>578861427ammo in a game like this would be completely fucking retarded
>>578857834this is vile
>>578861427This is old news
>>578861427That’s dumb
>still doing the lag on click thinghaha...
ikit did thisim not even going to play this gamebut ikit did this
>>578855450We need Chaos in 2nd wave at the LATEST
>ps3 graphics
>>578861940console graphics for a console game
cool VA
Cute techpriestess.
pivoting this hard for 30 more playersTCA gonna learn that 40fags dont play 40fags games
Having two action points for movement across a region is good. I got really tired of playing whack-a-mole with retreating AIs since Warham1. Ambush cheese is pretty much a necessity.
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO NO AUDIO BROOOOOOOOOOOO
I NEED MY MARCH
I'm really fucking excited.
>play Space Marine>foid talking
>>578861162why is the Catholic church such a nest of faggotry
vox machine spirits need appeasement
>>578859394>about 5 meters awayyou mean 15 miles away
>>578862175i too am excitedi am not a faggot shill i am excited for this (this) slop piece of shit game and i will buy iti am pre ordering right nowyou too should do that
>each planet is the size of lustriaHOLYKINO...
Game seems to be dumbed down from warhammer 3 so it can be made to work and play well on console I guess. Not necessarily a bad thing.
>>578855276What happened to Captain 3 men?
Just being able to run a truly elite army of a hundred dudes against thousands makes it better than WH3.Not a shill btw.
What are we watching?
>>578862509asa akira
>>578862416Seems like some things like the action points are also due to the different model. The game is built around multiple smaller scale incursions rather then single massive warfronts.
>>578862272Day 1 mod hopefully
>>578862509https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8egEUt4Qco
>>578862290excellent question
>goyim love goyslopI, too, am shocked.
Fantasy lost.
Fantasy won
>>578861558>40keks can't handle basic gameplayYikes
So what far off year is 40k supposed to launch? 2028?
Total War Warhammer Sci-Fi is only for the goyist goyim.Not like my Total War Warhammer Fantasy, that's only for chuds.I am superior because my slop is better than your slop.
>>578862806>I am superior because my slop is better than your slop.This but unironically
ULTRAMARINES!
>>578862352>>578862636>>578862806Do you actually have anything to say or are you just going to keep spamming buzzwords
>>578862561Nuh uh, space-nun AIKA .
>>578862742>vermintide and total war both revived the setting and brought so much interest to the latter that it spawned tw40ksay thank you, 40kucks
>>578862571Thanks for actual answer
That gore and bolter fire is nice.
>>578862802If they're already streaming unedited gameplay then a summer 2027 release isn't out of the question.
the lighting looks really grossotherwise good
>>578862921Cheats will fix it.
Now show a densely forested jungle world and watch the framerate implode.
NOOOO STOP CALLING ME GOYIM I AM NOT GOYIM YOU ARE GOYIMt. GOYIM
>>578862973no they won'tthere's no cheat that fixes wh3 lightingthey're all too fucking dark
MY HECKING HELLDIVERS PODS
What the FUCK is an intercessor
Helldiver pods are Space Marine pods because the Space Marine pods came first.
BROTHER, YOU ARE IN THE WAYBROTHER, IT IS YOU WHO IS IN THE WAY, I AM TRYING TO REACH THE COVERBROTHER, SO AM I, IT IS *YOU* WHO IS IN THE WAYTHE CODEX ASTARTES DOES NOT APPROVE OF THIS BULLSHIT, BROTHER>>578862908It really does, bolters look as punchy as they're supposed to be.
>>578863179It intercedes
>>578863179Nobody really knows.
TCA ruins everything
I saw that frame drop CA.I saw the frames get choppy when the camera was zoomed on that explosion.You didn't address it. But I saw it.
Finishing up a Khazrak VCO campaign Metal Gear Soliding it makes me want the Beastmen update for TOR more
AWWWWWW SHIT NIGGA THEY ADDED THE PHARAOH FIGHT WHILST WALKING BACKWARDS
>>578863197BROTHER MAY I HAVE SOME COVER
2027~~~
TWENTY TWENTY SEVEN RELEASEBETA NEWS SOONWE WON
OOF the frame drops
This gameplay looks genuinely awful. The lighting is non-existent. The fire and explosion effects look terrible.What am I actually supposed to be excited for here?
>>578863474You lost sis, go doom on /v/
>>578863474I will give you something to be excited for*unzips*
>>578863369I SAW IT, BEST FUCKING SHIT SO FAR
>>578863474Aieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee noooo you can't say that!
>>578863179What do you mean you don't own a Primaris® Assblaster® with the Donglongener® extender?
BROTHER I AM PINNED HERE
>2 marines for 1k orcsthat's an awful trade in lore kekhorrible
>>578863558Someone call insomniac GAY's wokeslop is copying their Ratchet guns
>>578863629Marinesissies...
Astartes seem really good in battle, but I assume their main drawbacks are low growth and not being able to have many armies to conquer fast.
Fuck the names are all pre-madeNo troonmarines..No waffen ss..Chuds lost..
>>578863558Primaris shit is so fucking ass man.
>>578863732I can tell your right now what will be their main drawback: those guys are going to fall like flies to snipers, heavy artillery and other "I don't care how big your health pool is, you're infantry and I kill infantry" sort of weapons. Except where an ork would be one of 100 dead, the space marine will be one of 10 dead.
>>578863732Your population limit for marines (outside scouts) will be locked to 1k. I suspect you'll be able to field guardsmen in bigger theatres to avoid attrition
>SPACE BEARS
RUSS MENTIONEDRUSS MENTIONED!!!MY FUARKING HEROOO!!!!!
>>578863907BROS WE'RE SO BACK
I wasn't expecting a release sooner than 2028
Apologise to Daniel. He made this possible.
>>578855085>40kfag made Op and forgot to link previous threadThe fans are as retarded as the series it seem
>>578863907>>578863998YOU PIECE OF SHIT>>578864024Daniel ate rancid shit so we could dine on caviar.
>unit cards taking your marines colors
>>578864024I'm sorry you were such a fucking disgrace and the biggest faggot in the history of TW.But Space Bears are nice I guess
>>578864024Daniel will be revived when the inevitable Chaos expansion for 40k comes, with custom Warbands
>>578864000tripsno way they;re missing gw's 40th anniv
>>578864079Seethe, nerd. /twg/ is furrychad territory.
>>578863907>Leader and faction trait customization are inAge of Wonders then after all>>578864137I knew it
Will orks be able to loot tanks?
They said Space Battles won't be in """at launch"""This implies that Space Battles will be in at some point.
>>578864251I wouldn't hold my breath, anon.
>>578864139Space Bears like... Ghost Bears?
Holy shit it's unbelievably bad. CA has surpassed my expectations. Seriously, what is one single improvement in this gameplay over previous total war games?
>3 to 4 planets in a campaign3 to 4 planets
>>578855450This reminds me how few actual different xeno races there are in 40KTwo thirds of this list is just Imperium and Chaos
Procgen campaign maps so much better over the mess that is immortal empires.
Enticity is shitting on it so hard lol
>>578864251They said in an interview that space battles will be in eventually
>nemesis system: the campaignWtf???WARNER BROTHERSSUE THIS MAN
>>578864024OC donut steel factions are for low IQ retards incapable of roleplaying
they killed dogs of war for this
>cinematic intro for every battle that changes based on your unitsBASED BASED BASED BASED DESAB
>units, gear, experience all move between campaignskino
So the new campaign is multiple small ones in row where gains from the previous campaign pass forward to the next? Cool.
>campaign in a campaignCAMPAIGN WITHIN A CAMPAIGN
>>578864416They better make those planets big
>>578864448inbred ricecel mp cuck
They funded dogs of war with this.
Woooooo! Future customization DLC for my marinies!!!!!
>>578864676:D
>no naval battles>AT LEAST FOR LAUNCHgoddam...twice now..
ATLEAST FOR LAUNCH>ATLEAST FOR LAUNCHATLEAST FOR LAUNCH>ATLEAST FOR LAUNCHATLEAST FOR LAUNCH>ATLEAST FOR LAUNCHATLEAST FOR LAUNCH>ATLEAST FOR LAUNCHIT'S IN, SPACE BATTLES ARE IN. DOOMERS BTFO FOREVERMORE
>>578864548and that's a good thing!unironically
I don't know how grifters will recover from this game success Everything is improved and more indepth
>>578864676I look like this and say this.
I will be honest. This looks pretty good so far.
>population numbers>cinematic introduction in battles>customization>med1/shogun1 movementUncbrosI think we are back...
>>578864720>>578864749yeah for sure, just like the bretonnia rework
I will be honest. This looks pretty okay so far.
So wait, no Grand Campaign? Just 3 planets?
>>578864676Get back to Work Matt Walsh
I'm excited, and my personal gripes mods will fix.No more goddamn Mark X helmets, give me back my grills.
>>578864808battles look really small, lighting looks bad otherwise I think it looks pretty good, it's just an ugly game tho, look at this campaign map shits ugly as helli wouldn't go full hope but not doomering eihter
>>578864808>Everything is improved and more indepthName three things that are improved.
>>578864901Multiple mini campaigns within a grand campaign that leads to the final campaign, Armageddon
I think the whole /yourdudes/ aspect is what's got me most hyped of all, I hope there will be plenty of ways to customize your own chapter/regiment/craftworld/WAAAAGH according to what background you give them and how your campaign goes.
>>578864901Grand campaigns are separated into different theatres that culminate in one big campaign for Armageddon
>>578864929It would help if they showed a different planet that is not covered in piss filter
>"Watchtower" building constructible on the map are back
>>578864940campaign map movementno more marvel superheroesvaried gear withing an unit
This already looks fun and they just said they've stripped pretty much all of the progression out for the gamescom demo.
>>578864885never played other total war titles, much less med and shogun 1
>>578864929>Why does a shitty devastated planet look shitty and devastated?I'm sure there will be some paradise tropical planets for you to bomb, anon.
I BETTER GET MY FUCKING BEAK HELMETS
>>578864990>>578865035I smell live service
Now THAT was a fast turn timer.
>there is essentially no diplomacyLmao, lol
>Nagash tech trees are a norm now
>>578865085Did they show the ogryns yet or astra militarum or only space marines?
>>578865127i mean it's not just how the planet looksdevasted plates in WH or atitla or whatever look pretty goodthe UI expeirence is ugly, huge buttons, weird digital overlay on everything, I am not looking forward to endless screenshots with pic rel UI/look of the game it needs work
>>578865192Total War not Total Peace okay :33
>they are reverting a lot of rome 2 fuckery in the campaignKinda based ngl
>>578865231>Did they show the ogryns Like months ago, watch the Bilibili Chinese video.
>So you know, even though you're not allies, you might actually fight with the orks against someone even more *EVIL*.CHAOS BROS, WE'RE GETTING IN EARLY
>>578865192Name one TW game with good diplomacy.
>>578865192No shit the imperium is incredibly xenophobic.
Look forward to the customization library being filled with ahegao faces.
>>578865172what do you think DLC arethey aren't going to make it F2P and have a monthly release schedule but that's about it
>>578865171No beaky gits allowed, only the current GW-approved Primaris™ look.
>>578865319Tree Kangdomz
>>578865192There is, but it's more flavorful. No longer Skaven and Dwarf alliance
I'm more interested in Guard customisation. We all knew how the Space Marine customisation would work as it's been done in games before. I'm interested to know if Guard can be customised like Space Marines or whether it's just Cadians and only Cadians at launch.
>all space marine units are unbreakable by defaultdawn of war bros? our morale?
>>578865192>mad he won't be able to trade a planet to vassalize Abaddon
>>578865409It's totally going to be only cadians at launch, bro. Just with different colors.Maybe in the future we'll get cosmetic DLCs for the wackier stuff. Probably starting with Krieg and Catachan, then we'll see what else gets in.
>>578865384those are allowed by GW though, which is why they and grills are in SM2 too
>simple UI elements covering 50% of the screenyikes
DO NOT COMMIT SUSPICION AND HERESY!!!
>>578865171YOU WILL PLAY AND WILL BE FORCED TO BUY PRIMARIS MODELS, TERTIARY, AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!
>>578865192WTF why not just call it Total WAR now?!?No diplomacy in my diplomacy game man...
>All this slanderHuron was right
>>578865614What happens if you raise a lot of suspicion?
>>578865501SQUAD BROKEN
GOOD OL KARL
They've just admitted on the official broadcast that they know the first 30 turns are the best bit and barely anybody completes campaigns.
>>5788653193k
>>578865614>>578865618Don't care, not paying the taxes.
>>578865319Three Kingdoms and Pharaoh actually have excellent diplomacy.Having said that, this is fucking 40k. The most diplomacy you should get is "Hey eldar, stop fucking shooting at us and tell us which is the impending doom that threatens us both already".
>>578865319>>578865820pharaoh by farengaging and satisfying
>>578865614That's a tooltip retard. Holy negative IQ
>>578865614>>578865618Just confirmed on stream there's rescale settings to make them smaller but nice try
>>578865748They always acknowledged it
>you move your faction to another system for another campaign after clearing the first campaign while retaining some progressionIM NUTTING
This looks like a 6/10 game that will make a billion dollars from space marine fans. Im I being retarded? The ui looks like a mobile game and none of the gameplay looks more complicated then wood elf point and and click then drop a bombardment occasionally.
>>578865901hover tooltip covering 40% of ur usable screenspace if u think that's good UI for a PC game go kys>>578865903that's something
>>578865614mobile port soon
>>578865946Why bother making a good game when you know the pigs will eat the slop?
>6/10 game>9/10 40k gameGOOD ENOUGH FOR ME
>>57886519240k was always going to be this lame and gay. Space Marines arent even an empire but an arm of the Imperium. What the fuck are we doing applying total war to this setting? It made sense for famtasy becauses races ARE the empires and civilizations, but 40gays is crusader chud faggotry fantasy, some armies arent even empires but internal what-ifs and cults like genestealers, some cant even communicate with other factions, and army within and army for an empire.
>>578865946>>578866058>>578866038You lost
>>578865946It looks like an upgrade in every single way
TOTAL 40k VICTORY! SPACE FANTASY CHADS FEASTING! FANTASY FRIENDS FEASTING TOO! 10 BILLION YEARS OF WARHAMMER FOR TOTAL WAR STARTS NOW
>>578865838>Having said that, this is fucking 40k. The most diplomacy you should get is "Hey eldar, stop fucking shooting at us and tell us which is the impending doom that threatens us both already".There ought to be a fairly indepth system for inter-Imperium politics and to a lesser extent between eldar and other eldar factions tbf
>>578859992it's a plot point in modern 40k that post-psychic awakening, psykers are popping up everywhere and it's getting out of the control so yes, they're common but they don't tend to have a very high power level, think being able to light a candle with your fingers sort of power. Now sanctioned psykers aka the guys who can turn you inside out just by looking at you are waaay more uncommon and are a hefty investment for the Imperium because of the danger of training them.
>>578866004Just read it and take your mouse away, how about that? Do you need to look at a static planet that much while reading a tooltip?
>>578865098>campaign map movementSubjectively worse. We haven't seen enough campaign gameplay to tell yet.>no more marvel superheroesDid we watch the same gameplay? You're going to get Robot Faggotman tanking six units of melee Orks no problem.>varied gear within a unitWe mostly had that in previous games, just that they were distinct units instead of one unit with options.People who glaze CA and GW are genuinely goys. You are stupid cattle and I hope you give them as much money as possible so they can keep feeding you what you enjoy so much. Sincerely.
>>578864901Immortal empire will be introduced in the later games just like wh2 and wh3
>>578866126bodied those doompedos
>You shouldn't get a full 20stack of space marines>this guy gets a full 20stack in like 4 turns
>>578866159it doens't matter, it's unappealing and bad design for a hover tooltip to plaster across half ur fucking screen, imagine that on a 27 inch monitor which is the standard these days, this is tablet UI least u can resize it but it's still pretty cheap looking imo
>>578866126Lost what? I have my games already.
Doomers desperately trying so hard, it's adorable.
>the game is actually way more complex and intricate than WH3I truly didn't expect this, good on them and bodes well for M3.
>Gorfang Rotgut DLC
>>578866163>Subjectively worseIt's objectively better with leaderless armies and being able to intercept enemy armies>Did we watch the same gameplay?Clearly not. They are no more single entity units like, all have bodyguards>We mostly had that in previous gamesWe never did, which is why people were praising Manor Lords so much for doing this same and even spamming this thread with itTW40K is a masterpiece already and a savior of Total War
>end turn>barely 22 factions on the ma>very "lore friendly" so we probably won't see much fighting between Marines and IGI mean what they are showing is kinda neat but I can't shake the feeling the base game will get old incredibly quickIt's gonna take a few years of DLCs to get to a point where variety is decent enough
Fantachads, we've been played... They've just been using us to beta test 40k for 10 years...
GREENSKIN BROSTHEY JUST SHOT DOWN GORFANG AS HARD AS THEY COULDIT'S... OVER...
>>578866236>Goalpost movedHey alright!
OH NO NO NO NONO HOPESISSIES!???
>>578866286not a doomer, just getting out the criticism now when u should this is the whole poitn of the preview theoreticallybesides just thinking its the 10/10 best thing ever which is p gay shill behaviorso far my complaints>bad ugly lighting>horrible tablet mobile UI >battles look very smallthose things can be fixed b4 release they have months
40K FUCKING WONCATHY LOSTFANTASY LOST40K!40K!40K!CHAMPIONS OF RUSS!!!!
Reminder that this isn't the current state of the game, it's had myriad systems and progression elements ripped out to create a smaller and tighter demo experience for Gamescom.
>>578866362>>578866503Was something announced? If there's a stream I'm not watching it.
>>578866448It's Lost God equivalentThere are multiple Traitor Guard factions in this build
>>578866296There is no spells and there is no diplomacy, ntm its made for console its not gonna be complicated, if fact it would be piss easy because 90% of the gameplay now would be like shogun 2 fots, you put the units in a position and wait for them shoot each other
>units can be upgraded into other units like the chaos mechanic>You can even add more arms to deaffdreadsNo way, they're going all in on this shit.
Here's the question, will people shit on 40k for having 8 lords like Pharaoh had or is it rules for thee but not for me?
>>578866594>There is no spellsgoodworst shit added to TW everdevolved every battle into moshpit into button pressgay asfnow there's army abilities but they'll supposedly be more limited
>>578864929The toxic shitdump planet is... ugly?
Love these cinematic entrances at the beginning of a battle.
>>578866580Nah, we're watching the 40k tutorial show off stream, and someone accidentally called Gorbad as Gorfang so they made sure to make it clear that's not a tease for a future Gorfang DLC, just a slip of the tongue.
>>578866594Spells are replaced by bound abilities and spaceship support.No diplomacy in the grim darkness of the far future.
>>578866580Guy mixed Gorbad and Gorfang.
Only Fagmarines, volcel elves, ORCS, and more humans.JUST that??? Jesus what the absolute fuck, how so fucking boring. Are you kidding me? They are going to nickel and dime this shit.
>>578864885you dont look like that
Damn the gamma on those vehicles is gross. Dev picked a bad colour scheme for his dudes tbdesunenoja.
>>578866594>There is no spells and there is no diplomacy,What the fuck are you even talking aboutBoth are in game, which is why this build has you using LibrarianDiplomacy is even more indepth with different factions having restrictions on cross race diplomacy, separate diplomacy with planetary governors and being able to even cooperate with your enemies if need arises, while still being at war formally
>transports that can't transportnot my metal boxes...
>>578865618>do not win a war as quickly as possible, or you will lose influence>instead, you should prolong the war as long as you can to accumulate of influence
>>578866594>There is no spellsMouthbreather moment
STOP BEING EXCITEDSTOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT
>>578866527>>bad ugly lightingIt's a bombed out radioactive shithole planet.>>horrible tablet mobile UI Fair opinion, I'll see how it handles once it's actually out before I form mine.>>battles look very smallNigga you just saw the first tutorial battle.
>>578866789you can't prove that
>>578866701>>578866746Fuck. I better get my boy in the game now as an apology.
Who is this new Ultrasmurf Chapter Master? Is he an OC donut steel?Why not use Captain Titus instead or some other canon Ultrasmurf Chapter Master?
There is nothing to be excited over.It's over
JESUS CHRIST THAT UI TAKES 35% OF SCREENSPACE
GOYIM JUMPING UP AND DOWN IN EXCITEMENT FOR THE NEXT GOYSLOP GAME.GIF
>>578866446>Distinct variants of a unit are now reduced to a button I can click to add or removed gearIncredible innovation. I'll definitely be spending $500 on this game and its DLCs.>They are no more single entity unitsLOL. You are like the kind of retard that can't be around children and small animals because you would pet them to death.
Hah, so /twg/ was right. Transports arrive, drop units and retreat>>578866865Generic Chapter Master for your donut steel marines. Tutorial assumes basically you do not play as Ultras or any premades
>>578866878Just go into options I guess.
>>578866709>Replace spellNo lol more like you are getting the shore bombardment ability from shogun 2 fots. Stop embarrassing yourself with your retarded takeBound abilities is a thing since med2 so why even bringing that up
>you can't transport Marines in a Land Raider >we don't have muh technologyBILLION POUND COMPANY PLS UNDERSTAND
>>578867035They just showed the librarian casting a spell, like a Warhammer 3 spell. What now?
>>578867063KEKKAROO
THE PIRATE KING
why are the units in a horde faction so SMOL
>>578866945>Distinct variants of a unit are now reduced to a button I can click to add or removed gearYou have to be shitposting with this. Actually encouraging worthless unit bloat which only exists because TW had no way to solve this better>LOL. You are like the kind of retard that can't be around children and small animals because you would pet them to death.You can watch this stream and previous ones even. Even faction HQs are no longer single units.
>>578867132Think of the console players...
>>578866969Should have just called him Chapter Master [name] or Chapter Master Daniel
>>578866969>>578867063It's a beta! They'll patch it in with space battles!
Deepstrike Terminators look really cool.
Transports and Space battles coming later
>>578867063S-S-SHUT UP, Y-YOU'RE BROWN!!Y-Y-Y-YOU LOST, O ALGO!
SHILLS AND TOURISTS
>>578867202bodied those doompedos
>le xd no le "Xenos" alloud heheh in based impere xdEldar Tau allied recruitment stay mad
It's crazy how hard this is going to mog shitttasy. Nobody will never even MENTION twh3 anymore it's going to be beautiful
>>5788672022 more weeks trust, my uncle works for tcal
uh oh uh oh that beam tanked the frames HARD
>>578867352I dream of the day this general is purged of its most tranny fantaposters
>>578867352yeah bro this mobile game will rly mog wh3 xddu right
>>578867393In replacement of pol virgins shitting up the thread and seething?
>>578867352I'm a fantasyfag but the seething at the next stage of Total War has soured me on my fellow fantasyfags. They did this shit with Pharaoh too.
>>578867489We call those histfags.
>confirmed Krieg aren't on launchnot surprising
>infinite ammos in battle>Space Marine have infinite morale too>a single campaign resourceSo are the Space Marine the retard proof campaign?
>Space Battle"Siege rework" of TWW40K>Troop Transports"Bretonnia rework" of TWW40k
>>578867147It's just funny that the main improvements you mentioned are either straight up false or things that already existed.There are videos of the Librarian 1v1ing the stomper in the demo. You will be able to destroy entire armies easily with one character.
But it really does look kinda shit though. Holy hell what is this insane sharpening it hurts to look at. At some points you can look at ruins at it straight up looks like fucking Borderlands type cel-shading wtf is going on. Same thing with lighting it looks way off, like super bright 100% gamma
>>578867550The Karl Franz of Shittasy...
>>578867590Librarian is in a squad with bodyguards even while in a Terminator armor anon
>>578867550They know their audience.
>>578867676Karl was one of the harder campaigns for most of Total War, it's only when they released ToD did he become easy baby mode.
>>578867513I'm seething because fantasy is forever cucked out of all the improvements and evolutions that 40k is getting and army painter
>>578867550Space Marines are definitely meant to be the baby campaignBut they have more resources as well
>>578867756Kek
>>578867352No shit, 40gay is the quintessential norrmie setting franchise that brought in all the redditors and trannies into wargaming and goyslop mantraing "You wont be missed!" This will be the normie bringer into Total War.I can't wait to see the likes of moist critical baseding it up to his brain dead posse of peep viewers.
>>578867756Me playing Warhammer 3 on Steam Deck.
>>578867756KEKAROOO
Orks need more models in a unit.
>>578867802>nooo everyone needs to play the way I want to play!!!
>>578855450>nuns with guns>that highEwwwAlso no one likes thousand sons, so they wont be getting a dlc.
>>578867552I cant wait to play the finished game in 2035!
>>578867863Disliking something popular is not a character trait, it just makes you a joyless faggot
>>578867756LOL
>>578867756It DOES really look like a mobile game KWAB
>>578867756AHAHHAHA
>>578867971I love Nippon
>>578867756next OP
>>578867991He is right tho
>>578867550they've always been designed like that, even in other games, probably a GW mandate at this point
>>578867756holy samefagUI literally takes less room than in current TWs
>reeee fucking normies in 2026
>All battles have been enemy throws all their units down a choke point.I see the AI is as dumb as ever...It was funny to see a wagon rub over two squads if smurfs.
>>578867991Umm, just let people hate things, you stupid bitch?? Why is it any of your business what people are and aren't allowed to hate?
I AM THE PIRATE KING
>>578867863The term is "normalfaggot" you failed normalfaggot
>>578868125me on the right
Total War is the perfect game for failed normies THOUGH
>>578868406Ummm... wow... we don't use that word here.
>2027 releaseKnowing CA it's going to be a December 2027 release.
ew... glottkin next week... :PUKE:
BETTER TOURISTS THAN YOU TRIED TO BEST ME
>>578868565based, ratshitters in shambles
Dawn of War would have let us have APCs...
Since combat is le gun in le grim dark 9 out 10 times, we can officially confirm sync kill is lost technology till med3
>>578868653>>578868738those were the days...
>>578867550They are the retard timmy TT faction, so its only fitting for them to be the retard timmy total war faction aswell
>>578868738>Ultracucks
everything is just a beta test for medi3 bros...histchads won...
>>578868406Um... excuse me... but me as a new friendly browser *bow and dip head* we from reddit don't use those harmful words. It can cause distress. We of the 40k community are an inclusive community.Please refrain from using it. Thank you good sir.
>>578868860medieval 3 aint coming until 2029 (2030)
>40kfags are going to ruim the thread>It's just the shitposting from fantasyfags actually.
>>578868926FUCK YOU NIGGER
>>578869001>ruim
>More DLC for Warhammer Fantasy confirmed, and endless stream of it so long as people don't stop buying them.>Warhammer 40k looking mighty fine.>Medieval 3 looking promising.Dare I say, vnderstanders, that the future looks BRIGHT for us Total War enjoyers?
>>578868860>medi3at least 5 years away sorry bro
if i dont like your post it means you are reddit
>>578867756OH NO NO NO HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>578868842Main protagonists.
>>578869260That's right. Know the workplace rules.
>>578867756
Let the warhammerfags fight each other, when our time comes (early late summer (winter) 2030 (2032)) we Histchads will rule this general.
>>578855085>drop pods>space marine just spawn in the middle of the platforms of the podsKek, ten bucks says this is still in the released game because its "too difficult" for them to fix it.
For me, it's SalamandersBlack TemplarsSpace WolvesIron HandsIron WarriorsRed CorsairsTyranidsGenestealer CultsAdMech KriegSteel LegionVostroyan
>>578869561I see...Troy must be avenged...
dont carewhere eldar
>the imperium are not the good guysuhoh, chuds will have a melty
>>578856013Yeah grav tanks are for faggy aliens like Tau/Eldar. They don't work for Space Marines who are supposed to be chunky and industrial. I hate GW
>>578869561If M3 is good, we have a good M3. If its not, we have a fine mod in 1212. Either way its cool. New gunpowder when?
>>578869572>Iron Warriors>Red Corsairs>Genestealer Cults>AdMech >VostroyanBased.For me it'sDark AngelsWhite ScarsImperial Guard (all of them)SororitasIron WarriorsThousand SonsWorld EatersEldarGenestealersOrksTau
>>578866594>There is no spells and there is no diplomacy
>>578869772Eldar are only in because CA knows nobody would buy them as DLC.
>>578867756SAVE ME LEGEND
>>578869781It's correct tho.Imperium is not "good" but Imperium is "right".
>>578867756HAHAHAA KEK KEK KEK HAHAHAHA LMAO not a samefag btw HAHAHAHAH OH NOOOOOO
>>578867756Whoa, what banger 40k Google app store game is that? Is it like >>578869772You know damn well they are coming in as a DLC fellow Deldar bro.
you are reddit
>>578864901Warhammer Fantasy only had one planet
>>578870057Your punishment for not taking his back, he is garderner/farmer now and his hair is improving better than ever
>>578865172In that context, TWW is live service too
>>578865748Nobody cares about how Roma conquered a tiny village in Asia after it was a giant empire, but everyone faps at Caesar conquering the Gauls
>>578870960Yeah, he had to beat Asterix and Obelix after all
>>578868860And Warhammer Fantasy Definitive Edition
>>578871131And just like Warhammer Fantasy LLs were absolutely OP
>>578871131Ackshually, that's a historical misconception. Caesar never beat Asterix and Obelix, he just surrounded their village with 4 whole ass legions and declared victory anyway. None of the gauls just cared to go to Rome to set the records right.
I like this art
>>578872121me in the middle
>>578872121>Sovereign Childless Von SchwabI suddenly feel happy about owning nothing
>>578865315primarchwank is the worst aspect of 40k fandom
But the question is, do you retain progress between Theaters?
>>578866552>CATHY LOSTWhat did she do?
>>578872695you vill eat ze corpsestarch
They just need a big campaign map.None of this mini-operation bullshit that they are trying to push.As a sidenote: Do you remember when they tried to make every single garrison battle into a settlement siege?
>>578867956
>>5788554503rd wave KINGS coming in when the game is refined enough to be fun but early enough to not be tired
>>578867756>all that /v/ tier samefaggingimagine spending your very limited time alive doing this
40K TW would unironically look better with a blue or yellow piss filter.
lmao these idiots still somehow think tw40k is coming. never ever retards, it just doesn't fit the formula.
>you can make a maginot line now since a stack "blocks" a districtI kinda like it
>>5788733434chan is such a goofy place
>>578867956>Also no one likes thousand sonsSpeak for yourself faggot. Eat lightning bolt.
Glad we got more footage but it always makes the general unusable for a day or so until /v/ jeets find the next big thing to shitpost about
>I-It's all s-same faggingKek
>>578873343cope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRxgI9rNnIYno commentary
>>578873853>copeI'm white and the game I'm looking forward to is coming along nicely You're... uh...
Everyone ITT is all me cause Im luthor hacker the reddit king
>Sir, he kekaroo'd
>>578873831>>578873853We are legion and we all organically have the exact same style of posting
>legends could be making bank with 40k, but instead he chose to chimp out over a fake leakName a more suicidal youtuber
>>578873831>>578873853KEKAROOOOO HAHAHAHAH LMAOO OH NO NO NO LOL
>>578873979bodied that doompedo for a third time
>>578874004I AM THE REDDIT KING
DoomBVLLs won once again it's not fair...
>>578874193No I AM*shoot you*
>>578874071I can't, his suicide was fucking stupid and way overreacted. I can only assume he was just sick and tired of being the endless boring cheese guy.
>>578874058>>578873343you guys are delusionalit's not that difficult a concept to grasp to clown on 40k for looking like a mobile game due to that horrendous UI it's a joke not a personal insult against you calm down you ought to want the game to be good
>New 40k footage>Suddenly 30 posters flood the general all kekarooing>Totally organic I swear there are lots of us saar
>>578873772Funny how it didn't happen before gamescom stream, while we were getting info from youtubersI'm nooticing... it's almost as if someone was waiting for an announced only stream to raid this general...
>>578867756This WARPED 40keks
>>578874345KING post
>>578874346Wow a fourth bodied that doompedo? You're on a roll.
>>578874345no you fags just shit the general up when theres an entire board dedicated to containing people who dont actually play video games but can't do anything else with their lives but complain about them
I loved what they shown. Can't wait for Eldar.
>>578874486I play every TW even the bad ones which is why I want 40k to be good and not have clash of clans UI or 100 person units on orcs... you fags mistake reasonable criticism for dooming
>>578874345UI literally takes less room in TW40k than in TWW3, thanks to two rows of units cards alone
>>578874601They simply must consuuuuuum
>>578874601>reasonable criticism
>>578874690this UI looks like it was designed for kb + m not touchscreen tho40k has unecessarily buttons and disjointed UI to boot, it needs work...need to see it with scaling options tho
Is there any info on how exactly the end game scenarios are going to work in multiplayer?For example the final quest battle, does only one player need to access it?And what if one player plays archaon?
>>578874931All the criticism so far has been quite reasonable desu
>>578875020all Ive seen is a hastily made joke of it being a tablet game and a bunch of posts laughing in all caps with basic bitch frog reaction imagesliterally /v/ tier
>>578875018If I remember correctly, the scenario is disabled if a player is playing the corresponding faction.
>>578875007>40k has unecessarily buttonsunecessarily huge* buttons rathersquared off tooif I need to explain what good UI is to supposed PC gamers its gg thoblinded by fanboyism and I hate voloundfags, but the opposite extreme is just as stupid
>>578873651Honestly the 30 replies are the least mentally ill part of that post.
KEKAROOO posters won BIGLY
>see the new gameplay>come to thread to discuss it>/v/fags are hereGreat... See you tomorrow.
>>578874346Post more squire/elf gf content.
>space marine armies are small, like 300 units topsUh oh, the DEI fags wont like this one>WHERE IS MUH 60,000 SOLDIER ARMIES AND MY 2 FPS!!!!!
Me no like the voice acting. These primaris faggots are too stoic and boring. Why is it so hard to make a raging fanatic marine like in dow1?
>>578875453I will post what I have
wow slaanesh got snakes with tits
>>578875645Space Marines makes senseOrcs being like 100 tops is cringe tho
>>578855085Prove you aren't a shill, say something you didn't like about what was shown.Prove you aren't /v/ermin, say something you liked about what was shown.I didn't like how bright the green was and I hope they lower the gamma a tad because atleast on the vehicles it was nearly neon.I did like the theatre idea where each campaign builds upon the last.
>>578875646umm chuddy we don't say bad things about upcoming games
>>578875767Yeah they should increase the orc and guard sizes but I do like that marines are lore accurate
>>578875453
>>578875646https://youtu.be/PJ5s81NRdQE
Ork Boyz only had 15 units in Dawn of War.
>>578875780I liked the fact that units can walk backwards whilst fightingI didn't like that the UI was so mobile-esque
>>578875646Mods will fix itAssuming there is mod support, which may not be trueGW may not allow us to return to tradition and run 6 tactical squads backed by 3 devs, 3 assault squads, and assorted tanks + dreadnoughts
>Inquisitor Kry.>Vessel transporting classified cargo is lost>Needs not only Marines, but also Chapter Master in particular to recover itinb4 it's Kryptman and Cargo are Genestealers, this campaign teasing Nids
>>578875661yes but dont show the nips! wouldnt be decent.
No amount of kekaroos can damper my excitement
>eldar >orksNo one actually likes these factions outside of memes and cuck porn.
>>578875780>didn't likeUI, lighting (yes its a radioactive planet but desolate places in new games with GOOD lighting like warhammer 2 looked fucking great, it can be done), low unit counts >likedmelee & bullet effects/sounds/gore, watching the orcs take bolter fire was amazing, environment destructability, units reacting to being shot, shooting while backwards etc, ranged has to be good in this game way more so than other TWs and they seem to have figured that out
>>578875645>>578875951>>578875957Stop calling them unitsThe entire formation is a unit. The men inside it are troops or soldiers or whateverGo back to gatcha slop
>>578876104true true, very true
>>578876087I really want to timeskip to like the WH2 equivalent of factions but I'm excited besides that
>>578875795But I did straight up one of the Ogryns from Darktide voicing one of the greenskin units so that was pretty cool
>>578876104People like eldarPeople like orcs as an enemy faction (same as in fantasy)
>>578875646>primarisThis is how Marines are supposed to be to begin with. It has nothing to do with Primaris. Which is why you even had them like this in Space Marine 1. Or Chaos Gate 1Chaplain may be more hammed up
>>578876104I LOVE ORKS. I LOVE MINDLESS CHARGING AND STEAMROLLING
>>578876104Orks are fun because they have a wide variety of interesting units and toys to play around with, some specialized, some generalist, but, all around, they are dead killy and make some mayhemSame with Greenskins
>>578876017>The genestealer lategame crisis will include the tutorial space marine chapter attacking you for the Four Armed Emperor.
>>578876017would be more entertaining than gayoss yet again
>>578876104>OrksPretty much a staple faction of 40k and are widely liked>EldarHonestly no clue why they're in at launch. They bring nothing to the table except being annoying to deal with. Nobody likes them over Necrons or Tyranids. Only reason I can really think of is that they wanted gender equality since Eldar leaders are usually women.
>>578876179oh and another bloomer stance is that at least they're showing off the game months before release which is a good signi might be misremembering but rome 2 (the launch that created volound and mindraped this community for literal DECADES to come, maybe forever) there was almost nothing shown until the broken launch, so it already can't be as broken as rome 2 or empire despite being a new engine
>>578876104Nah first day pickhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wA2IsF177s
The 40K delay is great because it means that Warhammer 3 can get more DLC!
>>578875453>>578875656Any site where they're all in one place? Mega drive or imgur or something.
>>578876764how is there a delay when theyve never announced a release date?
is there a mod or something that makes these range indicators conform to sight lines, would be some great qola lot of maps have weird hills where if i dont go first person i can't tell my dudes' sight is blocked they don't shoot and its gg that would be some great qol
>>578876667>Honestly no clue why they're in at launch. They bring nothing to the table2 Elite factions, 2 Horde factions2 Humans, 2 Xenos
>>578867756Xhey didn't like this post...
>>578876803Game was meant to be announced on skulls or TW anniversary 2025 just like Valrak saidThey delayed it which is why they had to cope by not announcing anything on their event and instead doing that nothingburger reminiscing about Total War series until December and TGAwardsIn fact were meant to announce gameS on an event before TGA, but they cucked us out of this and announced only Med3 and Warcore and had to wait week more for Awards
Space Marines were confirmed to have two Chapters:1. Ultramarines2. _____ ______
>>578877213Space Bears!
>>578876104I think eldar are the best looking faction in 40k
>>578876667Eldar always had basic faction status just by being space elves, they're supposed to appeal to people who know nothing about the setting, and DoWfags where they were a core presence
What DLC do you think we will get after Lords of the End Times?
wait i just noticedno alt + drag in 40k? hopefully they implement it by release
>>578877373Cathay because there needs to be all the dragons in the commandments
any clips of melee animations?
>>578877373Bretonnia + Dark Elves themed
>>578877373character packs, i think they said that lotet is their last "big" dlc.
>>578877456Another lost technology.Creative Assembly's development path is almost identical to the Western Roman Empire's technology tree.
yesss mortars into the moshpit feelsgood
>>578876667Eldar have one of the biggest pools of potential DLC of all factions, together with SM, IG, and Orkz.It makes sense to make them a base game DLC, avoiding the VC conodrum of lacking DLC for many many years.
>>578877456one of the youtubers talked about this, I think zerkovich. It was in previous build he played year ago, but not now, so maybe they moved it or something and it annoyed him
>>578877373they have to do MONKEY KANG right?
>>578878109absolutely swept>>578878095they have months to work on it so hopefully they manage it? it's not rocket sciencethe m2ex dude vibe coded as they say alt + drag into med2 within days can't be that hard
>>578878109One of the best feelings in Total War is watching your arc-fire aoe land into a big enemy blob.
total war warhammer 40.. DELAY
>>578878109Bro, get your sleeping greatswords into that moshpit NOW. They need to start reaping the harvest.
>>578876863Necrons would be the better Elite Xenos faction.
>>578877456not enough buttons on a controller for that
DLCs by likelihood:Monkey King: 95%Marienburg: 80%Egrimm: 60%Dogs of War: 51%Moonclaw: 30%Li Dao: 25%Yin Yin: 25%Araloth: 20%Shadowblade: 15%
Doomerbros....I don't feel so good....
The bolters feel really strong, 4 Spess Mehreen squads wiping out 4 Slugga/Shoota Boyz easily
>>578878385yeah I kinda love this stackit came this way from confedi need to change my karl stack upoutriders I don't rly need more than 2 with grenades, if there's flying bullshit just bait it to the gunlines with them and they take care of it mortars are good always but i might get helstorm + nebelwerfer instead and replace the rifles with nuln gunnerswith such ranged armies don't need melee cav i think
Here's an idea: Instead of making Warhammer 40000 why don't they finish what they started and make Warhammer 4?
>>578878438Necrons aren't Elite. Their basic units are too dumb, basic and broken over millenia to be Elite. To top it off they have now a variety of constructs to further flood enemies.
>>578878572You don't need melee cav, but I'd still get some just because I don't feel right playing Empire without cav. It's like a burger without ketchup, you know?
>>578877213Raven Guard.
>>578878453I'm all in on Moonclaw (I'm about to lose it all)
>>578858584Eshin is one of the easier Skaven factions because you can just spam Night Runners for pennies and they're good all the way up until lategame thanks to getting armor piercing - which makes them disgustingly cost-efficient and makes you more financally solvent, which you can funnel into more armies or provinces.The first few battles are a bit rough because you have a really fucked up starting army and you're against one of your counters (Savage orcs, who don't give a shit about your AP missiles because they have no actual armor). So you have to get clever with what few melee units you have to hold them in place for the ranged units. After that it's smooth sailing though.Skaven in general embody the ethos:>Glass Cannons and chaff so cheap and numerous you don't give a shit about friendly fireLike legitimately a lot of the time it's more efficient to merge and disband your damaged clanrats and skavenslaves and recruit new ones if they get too badly chewed up rather than wait for them to replenish.
>>578878858i kinda feel that way about halbsat least 2
>>578877213Salamanders, that was the other color scheme in the menu.>>578878868Bro I'd love the Raven Guard so much if it wasn't for their fucking wack ass hairstyles.
>40k never ever it just wouldn't work with Total War>It'll be Star Wars instead look at this AI wallpaper>Okay it's 40k but most of the trailer was CG so it's basically pre-production>Okay there's gameplay but it's basically pre-rendered>Kek they haven't shown anything in a month 40k is joining the Ack>Okay there'll a playable beta at Gamescom but we still don't have a release date>Okay we know it's coming in 2027 but I bet it'll be terrible with no space battles or transports>Okay they're coming after launch but the game should have everything at launch just like Warhammer did(n't)>>>>>You are here<<<<<>Okay the game is Overwhelmingly Positive but that's just because of Redditors and turbo normalfaggots>Okay 40k's success has funded Dogs of War and opened up Ind and Khuresh but I still don't like it just because>Okay they just released their 8th race pack but that's it, Votann, Erodites and Genestealers never ever
Do you think CSM will be a day 1 DLC like TWW1?
>>578879069I really wanna have this much hopium but can't bring myself toerr on the side of caution
>>578879007Yeah, exactly. Combined arms in general is like, the fucking essence of the Empire for me. I don't feel right trying to play them like Dwarfs.
>>578879089Nope, no more day 1 DLCs or Blood Pack DLCs.
>>578879069>EroditesIs that, like, a particular subsect of Emperor's Children?I honestly suspect Exodites might be coming sooner than later just because GW is making a push for them in the tabletop right now and it's going to coincide with TW's release and hype wave.
>>578877373
here you go 40keks this is (one) of your new guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n_4bMLTsEk
>>578865718The inquisition comes knocking at your door
>>578879069>>40k never ever it just wouldn't work with Total Waryou should've stopped here because it's correct
SAARhammer 40KWAB bros, it looks worse every time they show more. I'm not feeling good about this.
>>578878453Shadowblade is too strong. He can one tap Nagash with his balooned stats.
fucking helmut going feral into the belly of the beast taking out their capital while karl and elspeth are in the westchad
I'm mad that Nids arent a launch faction but at least with them being DLC, they'll be dumb OP or at least more fleshed out mechanically when they come
>>578879007Centurii-chan was cooking when she had the idea for the landsknecht.
>>578879441Valrak is known here. He was the one that leaked TW40k.
>>578878868There are no Phobos units shown so far, but plenty of Gravis units like Aggressors and Eradicators. Crysis Marines might be added with Raven Guard as a dlc.Frankly weird, I'd save Gravis for dlc too and simply put Ultras and IF in a base instead, but maybe CA feels more generous than me>>578877213SalamandersThey are paired with Gravis often now, since Gravis units have plenty of flame and melta weapons.
ROAAGHHH WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BIG ARMY MAN BULLSHIT MY FUCAAAKING IMMERSION WTRF
>>578859271>>578862106>>578862751>>578864025>>578867756>>578879441
>>578878868Also no way Yriel is in a base game too. He is DLC bait with Corsairs, which are Eldar subfaction, second Craftworld will be Biel Tan
TRVTH NUKE INBOUNDThis game is clearly NOT designed for mobile despite the mobile tier UI. You think this shit will run on ANY mobile or tablet?
>>578880107why is he so obsessed with 40k
>>578877612>Bretonnia + Dark Elves themedI want to believe.
>>578877373--Almost Guaranteed tier-->Egrimm van Horstmann>Monkey>Yin-Yin>Li Dao>Kislev DLC with either a new OC LL like Kostaltyn, or they'll rescue Katarin's brother from the depths of dubiously canon hell--Not Unlikely tier-->Bugman>Araloth>Naieth>Moonclaw>Bohemond Beastslayer>Tullaris Dreadbringer>Kouran Dreadhand>Shadowblade>Any of these three could be a LH instead>Tetto'ekko (Chakax as LH)>Ghark Ironskin>Apophas--Unlikely tier-->Bertrand the Brigand>Ghorros Warhoof>Slugtongue>Marius Leitdorf>Kurt Helborg>Ludwig Schwarzhelm>Mortkin (only if they delete his grave as a landmark)>Braugh Slavelord>Zacharias the Everliving--SHOT DOWN tier-->Gorfang Rotgut, RIP in pieces
>>578879898That commenter is right tho army movement in planets looks shit and clearly dumbed down for consoles.
>>578880309Who can say
>>578880528CyperPUNK is genuinely a shite game thoughever
>>578880668Trueism howeverbeit I don't spend time making moba threads daily calling single unit RTS shit Hating is very autistic when you could be doing the things you like
>>578880107Take your meds.
>>578880881
fuck such a cancer to attack map
>>578880431>Monkey>Yin-Yin>Li DaoNobody cars about any of these OC Donut Steels, and they can't package them with factions people actually car about anymore.
They say you revel in victory. They say you spend more time erecting monuments to battles past than managing the realm. They say you are a FOOL!
>>578880985wtf are you doing
>>578877213Bludd Ravens
>>578880668Cyberpunk 2077 became very good post 2.0 patch with the expansion and the updated everything.
>>578881184what am i supposed to doslowly creeping in with outriders > guns > greatswordsits goign well tho i think
>>578881176WE'LL SEE WHO IS THE FOOLFUCK YOUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>578875661>40K TW Slaanesh faction will just be pink space marines with generic corrupted vehicles grim
>>578881176Perhaps a more humble approach?
>>578880431>Bertrand the BrigandWhy unlikely?Peasant, outlaw, on foot, uses bow & arrow. His 2 bros are obvious LH choices too.Seems like a good pick for a Bretonnia faction as he'd be completely different to all the others LLs already in/likely to be in.
>>578881137I told you to leave...
>>578881364there we go...outriders doing work as usualhelmut endures
She looks like she fucks human men
>>578881386You do not know what you are talking aboutYes, there are space Chaos Warriors too. Daemons are a thing too. Masque you posted is in 40k as well
Who is going to be the Tretch and Ghorst of 40k
>>578881386PINK MARINES RA ROOhttps://youtu.be/KEpf_RvU3cI?t=63
>>578879896https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/25186/total-war-warhammer-40k-we-will-expand-continuously-without-numbered-sequels>>For example, even if the Salamanders aren't implemented as a full sub-faction, you can apply their color preset, equip a bunch of flamers to burn your enemies, and roleplay as the Salamanders.
Yes, its trimmed down because demo, but the campaign looks concerningly streamlined.
>>578881645Not him anon but Daemons not named Vashtorr haven't done jack shit in over three editions now, ever since the Fall of Cadia led to a management change. They didn't even get a codex in 10th. Every Chaos character will be a Space Marine.
So like I wonder who the playable factions of TW40K are gonna end up being. Beyond just the imperium
>mfw CA gives Gluppus Shitto a lower midichlorian level than the chapter janitor of the Space StarsHow will the MP remain balanced with such poor decision making?
>>578881632>human men
This is a Space Marine tank. It has:1 plasma cannon1 large gatling gun1 back-mounted bolter1 turret-mounted grenade launcher1 front-mounted bolterEach weapon can target and fire independently of each other.
>>578881889>Railroaded Prologue CampaignBORING. Closed beta when?
>>578882081Sorry but I'll only be making the Predator
>>578881645the issue with 40K is that the setting is like 80% bolter porn and it is what sells, yes I know daemons exist in 40K but 40K fans don't care about the different factions of chaos beyond space marines and you know it
wdyd when you can freely name your dudes or cities anymore?
>>578882243They still have Predator tanks, right? Otherwise Im only playing the Guard.
>>578882081Looks gay.Give me that ww1 looking tank instead
>>578882081Every screenshot from today's gameplay assaults my eyesPlease remove the ugly yellow filter
>>578882358cant*
>>578882358>The Spitting Minotaurs
>>578882081
I believe
They cant screw up orkz so im good until they drop nids and necrons in like 2 years
>>578882528
>>578882361...
Isn't the point of power armor to not have a tank?
Snikch ALWAYS gets his mark
>>578882958Sure but then you might want a power tank
>>578882958The actual point of a tank is to transport a big gun
>>578882958what if you want even more armor though
>>578882358Think of the controller players! You cant expect them to type things in.
>>578882958eh, there are probably guns that punch through a mehreen but won't cut it against a metal bawks
elves
>>578882958walking is still slow and you want protection for your METAL BAWKES
Terminator Librarians are literally just the 40K equivalent of warrior-spellcasters.
>>578883390Surely anyone would pick Loremasters here right
Music reminds me of Mass Effect 1 of all thingsI did not expect thatlisten to this parthttps://youtu.be/RRxgI9rNnIY?t=548
>>578862290it's a papist thing, you wouldn't get it
>>578883390Yuck.
>>578882693
>>578883390I love how you can tell that Marcielle is a mutt because her ears are rounded at the tips while a real elf has proper knife ears.
>>578883525kinda i remember beating ME1 for the first time (with legendary ed kek like 5 years ago) and this banger coming on with my char on the screen, it was epic asfhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcrDWAuyqtcME trilogy is pure kino and I shan't pretend otherwise
>>578883525>Saren's theme starts playingaiiie, who drove the metal bawks into lava?
>>578883461I don't think we'll get anything as meme-able as MEHTUL BAWKSES out of this
why do dwarfs have a grudge against wood elves
>>578883525I know this hurts you, Shepard>>578883637Pure 2000s sovl
I love Marcille edits
You don't have to play with Primaris Aspect Warrior cancer and their faggy flying tanks, anon. Just wait a little longer and the Chaos Gods will bless us with the trve Space Marines.
the great vamp war is finally ending, took so many settlements 'yet they're still this big
>>578883765Because furnaces need charcoal>If you object to us taking your home that's a grudging
>>578883823Primaris Chaos Marines SOON
>>578881518I just think Bohemond is the route of least resistance for a Bretonnia DLC, being someone who fits into what's already there and who can be perfectly justified being placed in any spot of the map at all compared to Bertrand who'd have to go into the already cramped Bretonnia territory to make sense.Not that that usually stops CA, but, you know, one is just easier to implement than the other.
>>578883765They wont share their lumber and keeping shooting innocent dawi who just wanted to keep their forges warm. So they can make more Elgi killing weapons
>>578883563
Pretty disappointed that it looks like 40k Total War was gonna be what I feared: a cartoonish interpretation of the tabletop where big guys shoot guns at each other while marching in open fields towards one another.
>>578884010You speak as if there's anything else to 40k
>>578878579after Warhammer 40000 they will make 39997 prequels
>kislev snow leopardThis unit is a joke, right? It can't kill anything and dies in seconds even to tier -1 trashThis shouldn't be a single entity
How's the campaign map? the empire building part didn't get showcased at all. It will be very shallow im guessing
Where are the flying units?
>>578884060Yeah it's almost like the tabletop has (or had, idk how its going anymore) some semblance of actual tactics to it because it was a skirmish-level game with modern weapons in it and not a rank'n'flank medieval game.
>>578884136Unit only exists to be summoned for free by Ice witches please understand. They should probably be a 20 unit size similar to White Lions.
This is Neferata's custom general model from Med2's WH mod. Yay or nay compared to CA's version?
Regeneration is back.
>>578884284if you want htat us hould go play one of those 40k xcom games lmaoits turn based gameplayhow tf do u translate that to an RTS
>>578884441>how do you translate that to an RTSThey only did it twice.
>>578884178They haven't covered it but they said most of it is absent in the build they brought to gamescom as the main thing they want right now is feedback on the feel of the battles.
>>578884390>Space Marines regenerate automatically for some reason@gork is this lore friendly?
>>578884493https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4JdQKU2QG0
uhh how do I get more global recruitment slots as empire againthe roads building and u have to recruit there right? or a tech? i forgor
>>578884656Stables, I think?
>>578884656right click your fucking buildings and it shows you what they all do upgraded baka>>578884726yes
>>578884656Is this wh2? Open up your building tree and check? I think its the Anvil building
>>578884589Space Marines from Warhammer 40000 are implanted with special organs called "Gene-seed", including ones such aslook just look it up, it'll probably go over character limit
>>578884792>is this wh2>sidebar shows the changeling is raiding anon
>>578882613
>>578884792old world, besides the turn times (next time I'll use that thing to kill the random factions in the edge of the map) this mod is so funi already wanna try some kislev or bretonnia with their regions being hugeor even dwarfsall the old world factions are super fun in it like wtf even is this black water rly has black water some dwarf spa up in there
>>578884589They can regenerate minor wounds faster.No organs or severed limbs though.
Where are the female Space Marines?
>>578884593Jeff van Dyck and Jeremy Soule are best Total War OST
>>578885302Is corruption still borked?
>>578879069>the game is Overwhelmingly Positiveyou got too greedy, anon
>>578884370sex but it looks more like a sorceress skin
>>578885385GW still hasn't figured out they can get around the lore by just having some of them identify as women.
>>578885403It's almost sad how peak it is because we aren't getting anything as good
Add it, cowards.
>>57888576740k kart: double dash my beloved
>>578884370She looks like the Lahmian from the Mordheim game.
>>578885767The idea wasn't bad, it was just the execution that seemed comical.
>>578885914>>578884370yeah, they definitely simply ported Mordheim model
>>578886294SEX, with corpse leady!
>>578861558>ammo in a total war game would be completely retarded...huh?
>>578886678This is unlike any other TW game, ranged is the standard, melee is the exception
>>578883951>I just think Bohemond is the route of least resistance for a Bretonnia DLC, being someone who fits into what's already there and who can be perfectly justified being placed in any spot of the map at all Yeah I see what you mean. I'd love to see a Bretonnia LL starting in the Northern Chaos Wastes, or really anywhere far from Bretonnia.>compared to Bertrand who'd have to go into the already cramped Bretonnia territory to make sense.They could just stick him anywhere. Just throw in some line about how he's left Bretonnia to go on a pilgrimage or some shit.
>>578880431>Kislev DLCIt's HIS time!
>>578885451my first time playing it, but wdym? i didn't rly notice anythingthis settlement has skaven corruption for 50 turns now igit'll prob be gone if i focus it tho
>>578887123"Mr Tzaryov, there has been a raid in the Empire near your border. You wouldn't happen to know who is responsible for this incursion?"
>>578886678Lasguns won't run out of ammo in 5 minutes of battle like Total War does. It's not a quiver of arrows. And they can be recharged simply by being exposed to sun
God, that game play was so trash.Oh yeah I totally love point and click abilities that delete units with no effort and render formations and strategy completely useless!It's like they took the worst elements of Warhammer 3 and condensed them in a game.
>>578887745better limited abilities than unlimited magic bs
You are playing Total War: Warhammer 40,000Who would win:20 Ork melee infantry1 Space Marine vehicle
>frogkill yourself immediately /v/igger
>>578886774Empire would like a word. So word Napoopan. Ditto FotS. And like a third of Warhammer factions.
>>578887745>game playEw phoneposter
>>578887212In a previous version corruption "creep" didn't paint the ground. Provinces looked the same no matter how corrupt they are. Is that still the case or have they fixed it?
FUCK I love helstorms so muchstill my fav unit in the whole game
>>578887708Lasguns can and do run out of ammo though. And they aren't solar powered.Nice attempt at a side step though ignoring all the guns that decidedly aren't lasguns.
>>578888048Leave them to me
>>578887708The throwing into a campfire to recharge thing was retconned because it's retarded
>>578888327>Lasguns can and do run out of ammo thoughnot in TW battle timeframe>And they aren't solar powered.that's how you can recharge them
>>578888048>legendoftotalwar here with another saving your disaster battle>now, you've said "my land raider gets bogged down in melee and torn apart and does nothing, auto resolve wins it but at too big of losses">so we're going to use chariot momentum charges to kill these 60 slugga boyz with one land raider and keep the rest of the army in the corner
>>578887123Kislev
>>578888048Judging from TW MP chaff will be king and they are clearly pushing the game to work like domination instead of become elite spamSo Orks are going to be sleeper OP
It's going to take years for tw40k to get good.
>>578887745librarian with 1 spellvswizard lord with 8 spells and 6 character abilities and multiple different vortexes and winds and screen raping ultimate legendary powersyeah ok bro
>>578874346Need this but with human male/female vampire
TW40k just looks boring.
>>578888184ohthats fixed i guessvampiric also works 100%
>>578888769>Yeah ok broAnd there's a literal death beam taking out the biggest unit in the game, the stompa, just by pointing and clicking, wow, such tactics, so engaging.Yeah ok bro.
>we'll have transport mechanics once we're implementing factions that use themSo they'll be in from the get go since IG is in from the start? Fucking liars?
NEW>>578889249>>578889249>>578889249>>578889249NEW
>>578888871Having the same problem as WH1 at launch doesn't help, few factions so there could just be nothing there for some.
>>578888871It might end up like TWW1 where there's just not enough stuff at the start and it gets better as more factions are added in
>>578877640They never said that
>>578855450Titan Legions when?
