Reminder that anyone pretending that cleave is bad is most probably ratjeet stirring shit up again.

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>>580137183
>the image that mindbroke cleavecels

You know what improves your horde clear?
Buffing the first hits that actually do good damage with rampage rather than increasing the number of enemies to whom you do bad damage

Simple stuff unless you're a fucking retard

>>580137332
>ratjeet is such a retard that his worst insult is calling other people ratjeet
Laughing my fucking anus inside out

>reminder that his argument started from stating overload is better than wrath
>now he copes with rampage

>>580137412
youll be shitting and pissing your pants when you learn rampage gives strength, which buffs your cleave
you willingly took a cleave buff
you fell for it

>>580137412
>Bro don't get cleave get rampage
Who's gonna tell him?

>>580137514
>ratjeet said crying

>>580137412
How can someone be so fucking retarded. Now I'm sure you're ratjeet having a melty again.

>>580137572
>>580137578
>cleave tranny thinks i don't know how rampage works
Wait, you think i think cleave by itself is bad? You think i would choose to have less cleave if i could? Holy fucking shit you're retarded. No wonder you don't understand anything that's being said to you. No, the extra cleave from rampage is a bonus on top of the extra damage? How can you possibly be so retarded that you don't understand this?

>3 whole responses to fight 1 post
You know i struck his cervix and it hurt like hell

>>580137847
>shits his pants over how overload is viable
>shits his pants over how wrath is le bad since le cleave is LE BAD
>shits his pants since he actually knew that his precious damage blessing also gave cleave
lole

>>580137769
He also thought relic blade is capped at damaging 5 targets no joke. This guy does NOT play the game he just gets off on these little mentally ill arguments where he calls everyone ratjeet. In his mind both you and I are ratjeet

>h-heh I sure showed ratjeet by saying I gaped xis anus!
>forgets ratjeet always was the one with weird anal fantasies during his melties
He really is THAT retarded....

>>580137958
>>580137973
The fact that you have to make shit up to have any chance whatsoever to counter our arguments is yet more proof that you got spitroasted

It makes sense that ratjeet and the cleave tranny should team up. They are after all the 2 biggest retards in this general

>i wonned
>no i wonned
it always boils down to this since no one ever responds to genuine arguments with anything other than poop from the mouth

>>580138079
You dumb fucking jeet. Do you even realize people can check previous threads? Do you know that normal, white people remember more than the last 5 minutes?

>>580138076
I have no idea who is who but I do know that the guy who keeps saying stupid shit then goes on to say
>YOU JUST GOT YOUR MOUTH PISSED IN. YOU JUST GOT GAPED DUDE.
is the weirdest fucking schizo I ever seen post in any general EVER

At least other schizos have some sort of game related motive, this guy just gets off on being wrong then doing gay roleplay

>>580138236
hey speak for yourself, 5 minutes is my personal best

Hey, cleave tranny. I know you're stupid as fuck and don't have any self awareness, but don't you think that the fact that ratjeet is teaming up with you to troll the general indicates that your opinions are completely fucking retarded?

>>580138214
It's pretty simple, actually. The cleave tranny lost

>>580138445
New lore just dropped, now that guy isn't the Ratjeet anymore but a seperate entry?
How many people do you know of? Can you list them please?

>>580138306
*pisses in your mouth*
Shudda kept it shut
>>580138628
Ratjeet saw cleavse tranny being wrong and retarded so he decided to join in. Keep up, retard

>>580138710
So where's the list

>>580138710
So we're acknowledging he's intelligent enough to know when someone is wrong now?

>>580138917
I'll drop a new name every 24 hours

1st name: You, the retard who really thought he had something there until i bitchslapped you

Stay tuned for more

>no one gives a fuck about being called ratjeet anymore
>so now I will say they're supported by ratjeet
Truly a masterful scheme. Only the most machiavellian of minds could come up with something so elaborate

Is Cacadia poster also the ratjeet?

>>580139074
Ratjeet just saw the fallout from him being retarded and wrong and jumped into the stream of attention. Of course he he has no actual idea how the game works

He can't even come up with his own bait or his own banter, character and phrases. This is why he copies me so much

>>580139312
No, he is not. Ratjeet is such a retarded sperg that he is incapable of avoiding detection

>>580139350
>ratjeet copies me
That's not the own you think it is...

>>580139545
Who exactly am i owning? It certainly is an own against ratjeet, after all, Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery that mediocrity can pay to greatness

>>580140095
>Ratjeet saw cleavse tranny being wrong and retarded so he decided to join in. - >>580138710
Yeah, that's why he's copying you. Definitely.

>>580140286
You must be desperate for an own to drop this weak shit attempt. You're really, really bad at this. If the ratjeet intended on copying me at every turn then he would be agreeing with me right now. Nothing is obvious enough to you, is it? You need your hand held at all times, don't you?

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You know, I was pretty close to actually bothering with editing video proof that Rampage and Wrath yield literally identical damage output (meaning Rampage is better because it also works on single targets), but going through the effort of cutting out the name on the scoreboard in a video is too autistic for me to want to bother to learn.
Last time I posted video proof, this dumb nigger bent over backwards far enough to shove his head up his own ass, to try and claim I doctored with the footage or disingenuously selected malice or something. So I shan't bother.
You can test it yourselves btw.
>no talents
>mobility dump
>Creature Spawner mod for obvious reasons
>Controlled Chaos mod to select havoc 40 in the meat grinder
>2 light attacks to start the combo, followed by heavies until heat lockout
>Cranial Grounding + Rampage = 27,985
>Cranial Grounding + Wrath = 28,111
The damage difference is basically a rounding error caused by crits I can't influence.
>but you're LYING!!!!
Again, test it yourself. It takes like 5 minutes.
Anyone that actually cares to optimize will obviously test it themselves, so I'm probably preaching to the choir here. Just in case any newfag accidentally follows the retarded troll's advice.

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>>580140517
go easy on the retard. i'm starting to feel bad for him

>>580140095
If ratjeet, who only shits up this thread, constantly copies you then it means your usual behavior is so dogshit ratjeet is certain it's enough to derail the thread. Seeing how you act and samefag, he's right.

>>580140552
Bro brought the motherfucking receipts
This is the final nail in cleave tranny's coffin. He ain't ever coming back from this

Rampage chads bring the best arguments, the best banter and the truth on their side. Wrathcels have... uh... ratjeet, i guess?

>>580140816
Why did you have to reply in the most brown manner imaginable?

>>580140816
>wrathcel immediately switches sides when xhe gets proven wrong
You love to see it

I love how he everyone forgot that the argument originally was about "is cleave good" and not "is wrath better than rampage". I guess screaming RATJEET RATJEET RATJEET at each other like the most shitskinned brownoids imaginable is more important.

>>580140816
funny enough, me, the "cleave tranny", have run wrath and rampage for quite a while ever since i got comfortable with managing heat without the help of a blessing
most people just suck at heat management and need a blessing to do that so they cant run both at the same time

>>580141090
Cleave always comes with opportunity cost, and it is almost universally worse than the alternative, thougheverbeit. The exceptions are a few ranged weapons and infinite cleave blessings on specific melee weapons, that's about it.

>>580140797
>blaming me when some brown midget copies my good qualities and uses them for his evil purposes
Intellectual lightweights like you are so boring, why do i find myself in the position of having to explain obvious shit to people who are supposedly adults?

Is bravery bad just because a terrorist bravely runs through gunfire to assault your bunker and rape you? No, and neither are my qualities just because ratjeet tries to copy them so he can more effectively fend off the people whom he so regularly annoys

>>580141090
yeah it was originally just "cleave is useful in havoc cuz enemy hitmass is higher there"
its overkill in auric but im also too lazy to change blessings if i ever play there, its auric it doesnt matter

>>580140552
you won

>>580141313
There we have it. The wratchel admits defeat. Thanks for playing and better luck next time!

>>580141226
Oh it's you. Stop speaking about yourself in third person.

Wrath sisters...? We fucking lost
*changes blessings*
*pulls out my buttplug*
*installs the scoreboard mod*
*flushes my estrogen pills*
*deletes my pony porn*
I'm riding with Rampage now!

>>580141465
nah you just assumed way more than i was saying
we were talking about a havoc 40 build made for havoc 40 intended to be used in havoc 40
so naturally
i was talking about havoc 40
assuming anything else means you didnt read the thread
which does explain how it devolved really quickly into sperging out about rampage actually

I'm getting more and more convinced it's just ratjeet spamming his owns on cooldown. Just look how he jumped at this potential izzat.

>>580141736
Classic motte and bailey
Except it's Bailey Jay cuz you're a fucking tranny

>>580141856
lets check back at the start actually
>why wrath?
>havoc hitmass increases, they go up to nearly 4x depending on enemy
oh wait
its exactly what i said

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Cadia?
More like CACAdia!

>>580142002
>he's starting over
Get ready to lose again, retard

>>580142002
And you were proven wrong in >>580140552

>>580142250
>>580142229
you mustve missed the part where i said i personally use wrath/rampage

>>580142327
Oh so you're COMPLETELY retarded

>>580142359
yeah i just manage heat entirely manually
what a freak of nature am i right
why doesnt he offload it onto a blessing like the rest of us

This is wrathtard 9/11

How do I build Relic Blade again?

>>580142525
energy transfer and syphon with crit damage/chance perks

>>580142525
Wrath and overload

>>580142359
He puts unstoppable and wrath on the mk 6 cleaver with the great cleaver talent too. He is literally obsessed with cleaving and ignores everything else

>>580142525
Rapege and Anial Pounding

>>580142664
you said that last time and thats not me
cleavers get like a bazillion cleave and shit like slaughterer is right there
like hell the STABS have more cleave than the unpowered rb sweeps im not even joking
not to mention the cherry on top being unstoppable force is infinite cleave, makes no sense with wrath either

>>580143020
28.1 on heavy sweeps vs relic blades 10.5 on activated heavies lmfao

The wrathtard just spams light attacks at crushers, y'all realize that, right? That's the only time wrath ever appears useful

>>580143352
...huh?
in what universe?

>>580143424
In every universe

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>>580142525
>only troll replies while I wrapped up my h40 game
In case you're actually genuinely asking, this is the correct build crystallized out of autistic amounts of testing and cross-referencing with other h40 players.
Believe it or not, I actually dump 64% damage because the stat is useless when you only make powered attacks. Inb4 hours of skubbing over this btw.
>carapace
Self-explanatory I'd hope.
>flak
Same shit, most common armor type
>why not unyielding
I don't run stealth, and it already fucks up bosses big time without it. If I had to replace another perk, it'd be flak.
>Cranial Grounding
There is no better DPS blessing because it massively extends your heat gauge
>Rampage
Best blessing in the game

Duellist is an important talent, because all your single target combos should ideally go into the head.
Unfaltering is optional, but it makes the weapon feel a lot better.
I run mine with Chorus, Purity aura and Blazing Piety. Yes, Blazing Piety does nothing for it. I bring the +10% crit aura because I'm not a griefing retard. It does not need a keystone.

>>580143510
no like how can it "appear" useful there
it does nothing there, and it doesnt do anything that people can mistake for it doing something

>>580143590
It doesn't stop as early, which is what cleave obsessed retards focus on

>>580143638
is this the day you learn functionally everything hard stops on carapace regardless of cleave

>>580143585
This angers and confuses the wrathcel

>>580140552
Raped his ass

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True Grit?
More like True Shit!

The arbites would be better with the relic sword than the zealot is

>>580140552
I haven't kept up with this conversation at all, so excuse me if I'm saying something unnecessary. All I wanna say is that the damage number doesn't tell the whole story, something you're obviously aware of as well, but it's worth pointing out for others who might not be as familiar with the game or what generally bears value. You did already address it slightly, but I wanted to add another element to this: I would imagine — and this is me simply postulating; I'm too lazy to test — Wrath's damage is likely spread among greater targets, meaning that without outside variables interfering, you're actually killing things slower on average than with Rampage. So even if the damage numbers end up being the same, during combat, Rampage has another reason for providing more value than Wrath.

>>580144364
Did you get an AI to help you with this post? Yikes, my dude

>>580144364
>Rampage has another reason for providing more value than Wrath.
Yes, in practice, the relic blade makes a fuckload of sprint stabs, heavy overheads, or light/push stabs into single targets, which Rampage just adds a +36% strength to.
It's also worth noting that the test I performed had no talents. The numbers WILL look different with talents, and likely skewed slightly in Wrath's favor without the cleave talent, and further in Rampage's favor with the cleave talent.
Additionally, testing for BP builds requires setup to reach max crit (not difficult but it takes a bit of time), and would require a larger sample size to account for crits.
>>580144521
I'm assuming he's trying to ape me and trying to imply that my posts are AI assisted because he's not smart enough to type correctly. Or it's some attempt at false flagging samefagging. But he is ironically correct.

>>580143585
Thanks, my original post was half serious half in jest because of the current shitstorm, but I'm also about to start leveling a Zealot so I'm also trying to gather as much information as possible.

>>580144623
>actual newfriend
In that case, don't worry about the dump stat. You don't need 76% heat, it's just mathematically optimal because those last 4% do not do anything, the engine rounds that away. All you're getting out of it is either 4% mobility, or 4% damage if you dumped damage. I don't recommend dumping damage either if you're new, since you will need some time to learn proper heat management, and likely end up playing IJ with bolter, because it's one of the more fun ways of playing zealot, and good enough in auric to be perfectly fine.
>TL;DR
Just dump 60% mobility and don't worry about optimization autism. I mentioned the important talents in the other post. Remember that it's a heavy attacking weapon, light attacks just lock you out too quick.

Like zoinks, my Scoob

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>>580144623
Sure totally, just how like the last time you were trolling with skitarii arc rifle and gathering build info.

>>580145046
He got me and I thought it was funny.
Lowercase cleavenigger obviously isn't him and there's a pretty good chance he unironically means and believes it, with how consistent he's been.

>>580144521
No. I'm just not going to stop using useful tools simply because double-digit IQ monkeys instantly see them and go, "AI! AI!" with no regard for whatever is actually being said.

>>580144598
>Yes, in practice, the relic blade makes a fuckload of sprint stabs, heavy overheads, or light/push stabs into single targets, which Rampage just adds a +36% strength to.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to when I said that you'd alright kind of addressed the nuance I was pointing out. However, it's only for about 3 seconds, so it's not as though you're always going to have this for single target.
>It's also worth noting that the test I performed had no talents.
Of course.
>I'm assuming he's trying to ape me and trying to imply that my posts are AI assisted
No, I'm just tired of avoiding using things that I like using because of quasi-ESL morons and have decided to stop doing so. Neither of you would've made these comments if not for the em dash, which has been used for ages before AI started putting it everywhere and often misusing it to boot.

>>580145175
>No. I'm just not going to stop using useful tools
That's a "yes", then. You are too retarded and illiterate to post on 4chan of all places

>>580145297
>calls others illiterate
>fails to understand what is being said
Pottery

>>580145175
I know about and use 0151 plenty elsewhere. /vg/ is too low IQ to even know about it, it's a safe enough assumption to make.
>it's only for about 3 seconds
Yeah, in practice that's only 2 attacks before you're swinging into the horde again, but that doesn't matter. Even the horizontal -> horizontal -> light stab benefits massively from it, and you should always throw light stabs into tougher targets between combos. Of course if it's a horde of exclusively armor, this changes to either sprint stab spam, or overhead overhead stab, which means you won't likely benefit from Rampage all the time, but again, just a singular swing into trash brings the blessing back up.
The main drawback is not being useful during boss fights, but neither is cleave.

>>580145175
>I'm just tired of avoiding using things that I like using because of quasi-ESL morons and have decided to stop doing so
People are just trying to help you avoid sounding like an autistic retard

>>580145046
Sorry to disappoint, but that's not me. I leveled Skitarii on release and am now going through the rest of the classes, with Zealot being the last one remaining.

Buff arbites.
Remove GGE and UB in the middle of the tree and rework that section.
Buff the arby auras, they are all kinda shit.
Rework Terminus Warrant, it's ass.
Buff Razor Jaw so it isn't useless, or keep it the same but change the dog "behaviour" where when it pounces the target it keeps "attacking" and keeps applying bleed stacks to the enemy.
Apply this change to Serrated Maw as well.

>>580145397
>/vg/ is too low IQ to even know about it, it's a safe enough assumption to make.
Yeah, I'm not at all surprised by the reaction, and I'm not upset about it. It is what it is.
>the rest
Yeah, it certainly still gets its use in during mixed hordes. Though I can't say I've ever had a habit of doing 2 horizontals and a light while clearing mixed hordes. Usually it's just horizontal heavy spam for me, with a break to pick out Maulers if they're in there. I'm usually not concerned enough with maintaining Rampage perfectly to interweave chaff killing with picking the more robust elites out of a crowd. I'm torn between admitting that it's a bit of lost damage while also not being sure it actually is worth doing. Because while having the buff does let you kill the elites faster, you still have to stop swinging (exclusively) at the elites to maintain the buff, which can and, depending on the scenario, will make it take even longer to pick those guys out. Ultimately, I think it's a fairly moot point though since you're generally going to do what the situation demands, regardless of what's optimal for Rampage uptime.

>>580145571
Sometimes you just wanna sound like an autistic retard. These are the joys of anonymous posting.

>>580145328
Speak like a man if you wanna be heard

>>580145712
>>Remove GGE and UB in the middle of the tree and rework that section.
Cut the middle keystones, give arbitrator a second skill tree like scum, let players customize dog behavior and put LW in there as a separate tree that lets you pick either really strong self-buffs, or grenade regen. A ton of arbitrator players already cheat the dog into behaving correctly. A good developer would acknowledge this as a design failure.

>>580145769
>These are the joys of anonymous posting
Also can bully autistic retards into killing themselves without feeling bad about it

>>580145950
Conscience is intrinsic and unrelated to anonymity. If you don't have it, you can simply say so.

>>580145787
Read a book sometime, nigger. Whether or not I'm heard by illiterate chattel is of no consequence.

>>580145769
>I can't say I've ever had a habit of doing 2 horizontals and a light while clearing mixed hordes
Get used to it, then. The light stab does humongous damage for what it is, it's really large single target DPS gains. Single target damage generally matters more in havoc, doubly so if it's Final Toll and spreading out damage among different targets is actually an active detriment, because you're just making them stun immune if you don't kill them quick.
>while also not being sure it actually is worth doing
It's not practical to actually intentionally swing into hordes to maintain the blessing, but it is very practical to weave single target attacks into your mixed horde combos.
I've been wanting to use a different blessing over Rampage for more single target damage, but there just isn't a good one. The next best thing would be heat management, but that's not where I'm struggling at all. Especially since chorus lets you dump some 80% heat during its duration.

>>580146185
Oh and, yes, I know about Energy Leakage, but I rarely ever play at high heat, and doing so intentionally is very silly since you have no way of forcing the heat to dump.

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>>580145175
>Neither of you would've made these comments if not for the em dash
lmao even. Nobody tell him how we actually know.

>>580143585
>Unfaltering is optional, but it makes the weapon feel a lot better.
I've noticed heavy attacks being interrupted and Unfaltering prevents that, but Thy Wrath Be Swift does the same and is cheaper to pick and gives move speed.
So do you think Unfaltering feels nice because of the heavy attack move speed penalty reduction? I don't think I've noticed that.

>>580145046
Jesus, I was right to single you out because only an obsessive FREAK would screenshot a post for his school shooter diary.

>>580146436
>So do you think Unfaltering feels nice because of the heavy attack move speed penalty reduction?
Yes, it makes comboing less punishing, and require less combo resets, when you can just close the distance by sprinting forward with your heavy attack already in position. It is indeed very much optional, but after extensively testing both in h40 specifically, I would never drop Unfaltering because it just feels so much better to use. It also means you don't need to cope-slide everywhere before you start your swing.
I'd also always take Unfaltering in auric because who gives a fuck about skill points in auric?
This is pathing Bleed for the Emperor -> +2 wounds -> Unfaltering btw. It's probably never worth taking if you don't take the +2 wounds. I was ALREADY doing that, so there's no pathing cost.

>>580146436
>So do you think Unfaltering feels nice because of the heavy attack move speed penalty reduction? I don't think I've noticed that.
i think the only weapon i take that on is thunderhammer, relic blade doesnt feel like it needs that part and i cant think of another weapon i play that might use it. maybe evis? but i hate the feel of chain weapons so idk

>>580146185
>>580146423
>Get used to it, then. The light stab does humongous damage for what it is, it's really large single target DPS gains.
I know it does, but I never found it necessary until Maulers join the fray, in which case I'm often singling them out anyway since the little stuff is typically irrelevant. I can certainly see the value in what you're suggesting, but I prefer to just kill Maulers and the like as fast as possible.
>Single target damage generally matters more in havoc
Yeah, that was certainly my experience with it, but I only played the first and second or third season of it. With fewer classes, almost every group had a flame Psyker, so this point went doubly for non-Psyker players.
>Energy Leakage
I could never be bothered to manage heat so strictly. It seemed somewhat impractical and mostly just a pain in the ass to deal with. I did like Heatsink as an alternative to Rampage for more powered uptime, but I have no idea how well that holds up mathematically, and Rampage having value when unpowered meant I ended up running it instead >90% of the time. And as you said, heat management isn't really a struggle anyway, even outside of Chorus builds. I do wish there were a better option for single target.

>>580146436
>lmao even. Nobody tell him how we actually know.
Seeing as I wrote it, I am curious how you "know" this kek.

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ILL FLUSH EM OUT

>>580146893
>I only played the first and second or third season of it.
The good news is that single target is slightly less important now that overall armor numbers have been nerfed. The bad news is that enemy health has been buffed which means zealot has been nerfed because the class didn't keep up numbers wise, as fatshark evidently assumes everyone is Martyrdom-maxxing at all times.

>>580147048
Well that's wonderful. I already hated that Zealot was relegated to Chorus duty when I find the ability boring as hell, so it's good to see things have gotten even worse for the prospect of ever having a relevant melee build in Havoc. As one would expect of Fatshark balancing, especially with regards to the perpetual mess that is Havoc.
>as fatshark evidently assumes everyone is Martyrdom-maxxing at all times.
On a personal front, that's turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy in Auric whenever I try to find Zealot as satisfying as I did in the past. One guess as to whether or not it works.

>>580147368
>One guess as to whether or not it works.
It's fine for the most part. The problem is that you end up playing like a fucking pussy whenever bursters show up because auricshitters are completely random and unreliable, and will shoot them in your face 1/3 of the time. Or barrel you. And then if Until Death happens to be down, you wipe, because (You) dying means the team wipes, as is so often the case.

Stealth RB is "fine" in havoc, the problem is that such a role is unnecessary, and chorus + auras is just so much better. I've started maining crusher and going full support slut and staggering everything. It feels really bad to play save for a few funny moments (like rager spam inside a smoke grenade, stalling for minutes on end with everything knocked over) but it's undeniably very effective.
If you just want old zealot back, play full commit melee scum instead. 100% viscosity Rampage scum with the melee keystone does ungodly amounts of damage in havoc. If you're just playing auric, you can even make concessions like running chemdep like a fucking retard, just for the CDR.

>>580147368
>I already hated that Zealot was relegated to Chorus duty when I find the ability boring as hell
then just dont play chorus, zealot is still good without it

>>580146949
Where did you get this picture of me?

>Devout - Sister of Battle
>Extravagant - Hive Noble
>Farsight - Ratling Sniper
>Gearhead - Tech Priest

>>580147597
>It's fine for the most part.
It's fine, yeah, and I'm not trying to say it's bad in Auric, but it's not as satisfying as it used to be thanks to the powercreep in other classes. How do you feel like a blender as a Zealot when you've experienced blending as a Cummer or Skitarii? You don't.
>Bursters
Such is life. I moved UD's buff to the middle of my screen so that I know exactly when I can stop playing like a fucking pussy.
>Stealth RB is "fine" in havoc
I've heard that. I don't think anyone really ran it when I was playing Havoc. It certainly wasn't popular. I could imagine doing it with a premade or maybe as a host, but I have a hard time imagining groups accepting them all that often, and a lot of those groups are ones you probably wouldn't have wanted to be in if you cared about winning. As you said, the opportunity cost is immense.
>Crusher
kek yet another thing I loathe to play. I've tried a number of times, but I just fucking hate it. It is good though.
>If you just want old zealot back, play full commit melee scum instead
100%. That's the only Scum I've played since my Scum was in the 20s. It's just absurd. I love it. Skitarii melee builds with Transonics feel much the same, at least in Auric. I could see those falling off a little damage-wise in Havoc with the crit stun rising in value disproportionately.
>you can even make concessions like running chemdep like a fucking retard, just for the CDR.
Oh, I think I've talked to you about Chemdep vs AF before, like a month or so ago. Yeah, I've always ran it Chemdep for Auric. Keeping stimm ever-available in Havoc makes plenty of sense though.

>>580147678
I don't in Auric

>>580148384
>I don't think anyone really ran [stealth] when I was playing Havoc.
Before the fuckhuge cooldown nerfs, stealth was arguably a top-tier build, because it allowed good, selfish players to (nearly) solo carry a lot of missions. Some assassination missions were completely soloable. It's still good enough to win with nowadays, but it's not something you play if you want to win. It's mostly stuckies who think stealth is optimal, and plebbitors who think the thammer is a good weapon.
>Skitarii melee builds in Havoc
Crit stun is indeed fucking excellent, but the damage becomes a little lacking, especially single target, since you do need to build up your brittleness stacks first before they really deal much damage. I haven't done any extensive testing, I suspect the maul to be slightly better, I just fucking hate the thing so I will never bother. Transonics rule in auric, of course.

Oh it's t havoclarper talks to himself while pretending to be more intelligent than rest of humanity hours
Quite grim

>>580148646
>everyone is the same person
And yet YWNBATS, funny how that works, huh.

>instant ywnbats
It's like he's not even trying

It's okay, just complete your humiliation ritual by posting a reddit screenshot to """prove""" you're a True Survivor while everyone laughs at you.

>>580148867
I'm sorry this has happened to you

>>580148607
>Before the fuckhuge cooldown nerfs, stealth was arguably a top-tier build
Interesting. I don't think I ever saw them in PF when I played, but I maybe did forty Havoc 35-40s in total before losing interest for a variety of reasons, so it's not like I'm basing that off a large sample size. To be honest, I'm not sure I would've ran it back then even if I did realize I could accepted with it; I wasn't a fan of the pathing to run stealth at the time.
>plebbitors who think the thammer is a good weapon.
U fucking wot m8. I argued here at one point that the TH was a solid C or B tier and decent all the way through to melee Maelstroms. This was before Havoc and before a lot of the power creep. The TH is a fucking turd by current standards. People really think it's good? In current year? Wew lad.
>Crit stun is indeed fucking excellent, but the damage becomes a little lacking, especially single target,
Yeah, no surprise there. What's your beef with the Maul? I've never been a huge fan of blunt weapons that aren't the poleaxe or a giant hammer that creates electric explosions, but I've enjoyed the Arc Maul.

>>580149093
>People really think it's good? In current year? Wew lad.
When I checked plebbit the other week, like three different zealot threads all updooted posts about thammer memes, with any mentions of the relic blade being singular users.
>What's your beef with the Maul?
I just don't like the move set in the slightest. I already have to pay enough attention to juggle the noosy effectively, I can't also bother using the maul's move set correctly. I acknowledge that this is 100% a skill issue and that it's quite strong. I don't like the weapon enough to git gud at using it, and I mostly play base VE (not slotting an ability) so I'm missing a lot of value.

>>580149271
>three different zealot threads all updooted posts about thammer memes
Surely they're not doing that because they think it's good...surely.
> I don't like the weapon enough to git gud at using it
That's fair enough.
>so I'm missing a lot of value
So do the arcs jump better when stuff is already electrified? I remember briefly wondering this when Skit came out, and the conclusion I remember reaching was a tentative yes, but I never bothered doing more extensive testing, and I never saw anything to tell me one way or the other in Kuli's guide. By that point, I stopped caring because I enjoy the Transonics a lot more anyway. Or did you mean something else by losing value from base VE? I assumed it was the explosion radius loss you were referring to since I'm not sure what else could really screw over the Arc Maul from running the base version of it.

>>580149668
>So do the arcs jump better when stuff is already electrified?
Conjecture says yes, because arc maul + VE is apparently the highest damaging skitarii build available, and I see no other way of that happening. Again, I don't care enough about the weapon to bother finding out, so this is an informed guess. I can't say for sure and am not going to bother testing it.
>Or did you mean something else by losing value from base VE?
Yeah just the aoe loss. Also because I'm not slotting an ability, there's the obvious implication of using the servo skull for most of my capacitance. I still use the base ability to stun masses of armor, it's good enough at doing that. Most of my capacitance goes into specialists and gunners.

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>>580142525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSSbEGtZxhM

>>580149813
Gotcha. Yeah AM+VE is pretty disgusting, especially with how much of that damage is basically free. Anyway, it's been fun, m8. Have a good rest of your day/night.

>>580149852
>gets carried by the premade
Disingenuous clickbait

>>580148013
Extravagant, Farsight and Gearhead aren't actually terms that have been datamined, are they?

>Ratling Sniper
I've seen anons speculate on this being a potential class before. So my second question is that this is a troll, right?
I can't imagine an existing 40k concept that would make for a worse class.

Wrath cleave is good. All cleave is good.

>>580137332
Cleave's usefulness is weapon dependent, a dueling sword with cleavemaxxing is practically worthless. Anything intended to jab single targets doesn't benefit from cleave as much as a sweeping weapon would.

>going in circles again about cleave
Is cleave the new rippergun?

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Oh I see. Cleave is the new jewtube clickbait meta. That's why all the brainlets are obsessing over it.

>>580150892
No, ripper guns are actually good unlike cleave.
They are ogryns best weapons, even in H40. Just slap can opener and blaze away on and you can mulch all hordes and kill bosses with ease.

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>thread barely exists for 4 hours
>ctrl + f "ratjeet"
>30 results
Why are you like this.

>>580152320
>can opener
>>>/b/ is this way if you're that desperate to troll.

>>580152331
I need an adversary in life

>>580152375
>can opener bad
>40% brittleness on demand is bad
Ngmi

>>580152670
You're supposed to be either funny or subtle and you're achieving neither. You're just looking like a retard.

>>580152719
Biggest retard is the one who can't see the contribution of the ripper gun. It has a lot of ammo and damage and that alone is a big boon in havocs

Imagine being so fucking traumatized by havoc that you start LARPing about it.

>>580152670
It's pretty good, but you burn your ranged weapon on it in a situation where anybody else should be bringing brittleness to the table with more effectiveness. If you pick up PBB and suck up all the ammo using the ripper, you ARE trolling and you WILL be declined.

>>580152375
Explain to me how can opener is bad for me if I want to equip a slab shield with skullcrusher and brutal momentum.
Also don't forget to mention how high mobility on a ranged is bad too.

>>580155671
Shield + rippergun is basically trolling if we're talking h40. You can apply infinitely more brittleness with GG or rumbler or paul or pickaxe pushes, if that's your goal. The shield does nothing on PBB builds, the rippergun is rather mediocre on non-PBB builds, and it's generally outclassed.
High mobility is obviously good in theory, but is unironically bad on the rippergun in practice, because you should ideally dump stability down to 0, and will very likely need a second dump stat to still max out the rest of your stats without going high on stability. I don't believe a true 0/80s is even possible due to how upgrades work.
>inb4 he doesn't know about rippergun stability

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>Explain to me
No.

>>580156026
Thanks for including the same images in your retarded bait

>>580155991
How to fix ripper guns:
>buff their unyielding ADM to like 1.0 or 1.1, rippers currently only do like half damage to unyielding for some reason
>buff base damage by like 10%, 15% if you're feeling spicy
>keep ammo same
>fix the retarded stability issue
>give them tighter spread and lessen the reticle "bloom" during hipfire so more pellets on target during rapid fire (this might unironically be fixed if they just fixed the inverted stability issue)

>>580157796
>Gothic 2

>>580157796
Not exactly DLC but persona 5 royal is trash compared to the original persona 5
Though DLCs are also pretty bad

>>580157796
Keep it on-topic or keep it to yourself

>>580157796
>endless paid PD2 DLCs
Went from consistently improving the game to turning the game into an endless list of recurring payments and chores

>>580157796
This happened with Endless Space 2

>>580160324
Dude I fucking hate what happened to PD2, it was sooooo god damn fun at launch.

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Las Malvinas? Never heard of that.

>>580157796
Powercreep started with dlc classes in Darktide

>>580152331
40kucks are simply mindbroken

>grounded is not /coopg/
rip

>>580161513
It started around when the new skilltrees were added in october 2023.
The reason being that fartshart got lazy and only minorly buffed enemy health thinking it was enough, and then just resorted to spamming elites and specials as a form of difficulty.

Which was a terrible idea because all the best skills in this game, like say Psykinetic's Aura, trigger off of elite or specialist skills or both. Meaning them increasing elite and specialist enemy spawns only made those OP skills even more OP and desirable to use because because you could constantly trigger the skills.
It basically formed a positive feedback loop
more elite spam -> OP talents trigger more often -> make killing all enemies including elites easier -> talents trigger more often -> OP talents trigger more often -> rinse and repeat

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>>580137183
Who here plays Darktide on a Fedora based Linux?
I'm using Bazzite.
My Steam is installed to my /var/home file. I'm not sure if this is the correct one.
Darktide is installing right now.

>>580163203
I'm on Mint so it's not the same distro but I had hell getting Darktide to stop crashing to the point I just said fuck it and dual boot to Windows when I want to poxclick.

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>how the ratjeet must feel after the 19 hours of shitposting

>>580163423
Cute rat

>>580163423
can't stop thinking about his brown asshole eh?

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Is this the darktide general?
I wanted to buy the game to play the tech priest
Thats all I care about
Is it fun?

>>580166603
Yes. Just know that you'll suffer a bit during the leveling, real game starts at lvl 30 (max lvl) at this point you'll start crafting perfect gear, don't know if it's a grind or not I don't remember. Practice the basics like dodging, dealign with specials (like pushing a poxburster) and don't play liek a lonewolf dickhead

>>580166603
play vermintide, it's much better
>inb4 ratjeet seethe

>>580166804
Thank you
The sale ends soon and I wanted to make sure
Can you tell me more or less what I am in for? I have never played a melee game before
>>580166854
I don't like fantasy

>>580167154
It's a mix of melee and ranged, depends on your build and playstyle. Don't expect to be great right at the start and learn from your msitake. Each game is different because in the end you'll notice the real difficulty of this game is random because it all depends on your skill and if your teamates are retarded glue eaters or not. watching gameplay videos can help you discovering new tricks to make you better. The devs (Fatshark) are extremely slow and mute so don't expect new content every month

>>580167454
OH SHIT I had no idea it was so complex
Now I'm very keen
Is there like a tutorial mode where you can learn the gripes?
I don't wanna be a dead weight if it's as hard as you say

>>580167687
Naaah it's not THAT complex, maybe a bit at the start but the longer you play you'll start getting some automatisms. IDK wich videos you should watch honestly I don't watch gameplay videos anymore, just avoid those mades by an absolute nigger named RealAsianRobot he's known to be the worst absolute shitter with the most retarded advices

>>580166603
Skitarii aren't tech priests

>>580167851
Thanks anon
>>580168228
Tomato, tomato
I just wanna play as an AdMech

If the next update is about red weapons, you guys think if we'll get new weapons to go with it?

>>580166603
It is fun

>>580166603
yes and yes
technically the skitarii isn't a tech priest but he's the closest thing we go

>>580163392
Do you suffer from graphics restarts? I had one while downloading Darktide.
I'm not sure if there is some gigabyte motherboard BIOS setting I forgot to switch on.
AMD gigabyte 9060XT btw.

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>check forums
>retard is unironically advocating for nerfing Loyal Protector
Jesus Christ, these faggots really do fucking hate ogryn.
It's the only class that gets these retarded posts made. Psyker or Vet never get these types of threads.

>>580159535
persona always looked kinda dumb honestly
>>580166603
posted the wrong image award

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>>580166603
I did the same thing when she came out and ive sunk 600 hours since. Most of the other classes are pretty fun too

>>580150279
>I can't imagine an existing 40k concept that would make for a worse class.
Honestly, the thing that lends it credence is that it would be a relatively low effort filler class in between something that would take longer, but yeah, it’s not the best idea
>>580145992
True…

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>>580172249
>femboy skitty

>>580172249
Iron Warriors would NEVER

>>580150279
A Ratling sniper would both need target highlighting through hordes and high ranged cleave in order to hit them through poxwalkers, both are doable. The real issue is that a Ratling would never be able to vault over things, and they're substantially shorter than humans, so they'd need a unique animation rig like Ogryn and Skitarii. It would be far simpler to just do a Squat merc, because then they'd just port over the dwarf animation rig from VT2, stick him in power armor and make him shooty.

>>580174734
Also a ratling class would realistically be weaker than human classes.
Imagine running around only with 75 HP and 50 toughness while also being just fragile as hive scum if not more so, and then on top since you are shorter you can't vault over objects well either.
And the final cherry on top of this shit sunday, since you're the king of manlets you literally can't hit anything in the head while in melee.

I blew all my Diamantine from the horror's event. I NEED MORE

>>580174734
>>580175607
What if it was a really buff rat?

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>>580137183
Another Fun Weekly Havoc 40 Run. Mostly smooth with no death, got a hiccup with me DCed due to a memory leak. Good thing when I RCed the Vet was only the one in trouble.
Anon from the other thread asked about the best Havoc 40 Class.
If you want to really solo all the way, you should pick Zealot. It's Jack of All Trades and Master of All in Full Glory, the Boss Killer Melee, the Toughness Restoration + Cheat Death once in a while, and the Flamethrower for massive Horde clearing.
>>580174734
I would want Ratling to be able to ride on the back of Orgyn. It would force a cooperation in a cool way..

>>580177419
>this little damage dealt
I thought havoc would have a trillion enemies.

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>>580177419
>I would want Ratling to be able to ride on the back of Orgyn. It would force a cooperation in a cool way..

>>580177419
>It would force a cooperation in a cool way..
It really wouldn't.

WE ARE GETTING GENESTEALERS RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxzkcu2ACBo

>kinda low energy after playing psyker a few times in aurics
>switch to ogryn
>cozy times ahead
making space, staggering everything, keeping team mates in the game, ogryn truly is the /coop/ experience

>>580178617
What are they? Some kind of Enemy Unknown?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybvR0pfXSw&list=RDRybvR0pfXSw&start_radio=1

>>580179387
EXALT IN DARKTIDE SOON RAAAAAAAAAWR

>>580177756
It's because it only counted after I RCed.
I DCed on the last scanning task; that's why it only shows a total of 4 gadget operations, also it was a deathless run since that 1 death was from a bot.

>>580179765
SAAAR EXALTED SAAAR GOOD MORNING SAAARS

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The Burgle and I have entered an uneasy alliance against the rats

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Haven't gotten a curio in 20 missions with 3 of these equipped. I don't get it. Also everyone tells me I should get some +toughness on a curio but I've never seen a single one in about 50 hours of play.

Somene tell me I'm not cursed and that I just don't understand the deep curio mechanics.

>>580178617
>inb4 "unknown enemy" just means nurgle daemons or some shit that the cult of admonition has secretly started summoning into real space

>>580183771
Curio chance is a crapshoot, it's best to just farm melkbucks and roll for random curios that way. Takes ages to roll for a full set of ideal curios for every operator, but way less time than running missions. Alternatively you could stick to the curio chance and do the campaign version of Rolling Steel to cut down on the time it takes to get them as rewards, that would still take hundreds of hours.
>Also everyone tells me I should get some +toughness on a curio but I've never seen a single one in about 50 hours of play.
There are toughness curios that get you up to +17% toughness, then there's the +5% toughness perk you can put on any curio through Hadron's technodiddling. Getting the 17% requires luck.
>Somene tell me I'm not cursed and that I just don't understand the deep curio mechanics.
You're cursed with abysmal bad luck, sorry man, I don't make the rules.

If it helps, there's a mod that will alert you when there are ideal curios up for purchase both in Melk's shop and Brunt's shop. Someone else'll have to throw down the link, I've never used it.

>>580183771
That's like the worst possible way to farm them. Go to Melk's shop and spend your tokens on random defensive curios. Otherwise keep an eye on the store.
You can replace each curio's perks with Hadron and you should go with stuff that actually helps you in fights (cooldown reduction, damage resistance for gunners/flamers/bombers, stamina regeneration, ally revive speed) instead of useless bullshit like that perk.

They should give arbites a way to create gold toughness.

>>580184917
Because he's not tanky enough?

>>580140552
>but going through the effort of cutting out the name on the scoreboard in a video is too autistic for me to want to bother to learn.
You literally just overlay a black image that you cut to dimensions, if that's hard to figure out I'm starting to see the issue you're having figuring out other basic concepts

>here's my damage numbers
>no mention of what was fought, how many targets, which enemies
>in a CLEAVE TEST
lol

>>580148013
>Farsight - literal Commander Shas'O "Farsight" Vior'la Shovah Kais Mont'yr

shredder frags truly suck dick these days, cannot think of a more powercrept blitz

>>580185571
>another retard got tricked into using wrath on the relic blade
I would lmao but it's just sad

>>580185168
Ye

>>580188519
>bro here's proof x is better than y, here's my test to prove cleave is bad
>here you can see x does 220k damage and y does 221k daamage
>What do you mean how many enemies I tested it out on? Why would that matter?
>now don't even imply I'm intentionally leaving info out!

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I just asked for a fun Zealot build, I never meant to start a cleave war.

>>580190414
you play fury, and go RAAGHAGUAHGUAGHAUGH

>>580161420
kiño

>>580190414
Don't worry it's not really a cleave war, it's just the resident autist having a sperg fit about one of his fixation topics
Not too long ago it was the rippergun. Any mention of it and he would make epic btfo callout posts on the "rippergun tranny" and then samefag for hours every single time, even if it was clearly just someone asking a question about it

>>580190414
Don't feel bad for making the cleave trannies out themselves

>>580190414
Putting Wrath on any of your weapons it batshit insane, regardless of any context

>>580190936
>wrath tranny is also the ripper tranny
Shitters gonna shit

>>580190936
NTA but rippergun is dogshit tho, you can't kill specials for shit and you waste tons of ammo on gunner elites
You'd know that if you actually played the game

see what I mean? He can't help himself

>ogryn and veteran are in a shouting match
>zealot set something on fire again
>the underhive gangster we recruited off the streets kept stimming up the skitarius until he started whirring and then stole a crowbar from him
>psyker keeps babbling weird shit, probably gonna get possessed soon
>arbitrator is looking at us like he's gonna arrest the whole lot once it's all said and done
such is life in the inquisition

>>580191241
Wait, so the ripper tranny is pro or against the gun?

Also stop schizoing so fucking much, jesus, this is my 2nd post in the thread I'm not your imaginary fucking opponent

God imagine talking to someone like that in real life, actual fucking batshit insane lunatic

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>>580190414
I am once again asking you to play eviscerator zealot

>>580192573
How good are zealot grenades in havoc?

>>580192682
fucking terrible except knife

>>580192856
I asked about the grenades, knife isn't a grenade.

>>580192573
Yeah why not, I give the fatman build a try and then this.

power falchion or power sword for vet?

If it was up to me i would just delete Fury and give Zealot a new combat ability.
I simply don't understand why anyone would run Fury over Shroud.

>>580193876
chainsword

>>580192682
fire grenade is decent, but powercrept by other classes; you throw it at mixed hordes to clear out the trash and damage non-CRUSHER elites, or at crowds during a real bad director spawn moments, like BoN/Twins/Daemonhost ritual at the same time

Stun grenades are so bad, it's impossible to accurately describe how nightmarishly dogshit they are. Don't ever, ever, ever fucking use them, the stun is short and during the stun more enemies will just walk up, not to mention how many stun-resistant enemies there can be in the first place.

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>>580190414
Fun you say? This one isn't "optimal", but it sure as hell is fun.

>>580195095
Why do people take Shred instead of Riposte (on weapons that have access to Riposte in the first place)?
What, you're not going to dodge? And with Shred one miss means you lose all your stacks, and it's not that hard to miss a singular attack with all of the boss knockback/dodging you do, and with your teammates staggering etc.
I'm not saying Shred is bad but isn't Riposte just better

>>580194387
Makes sense, I'll consider the fire grenades because I'm genuinely just horrible at using the throwing knives.

>>580192682
This anon almost got it right >>580194387
You don't really throw them at mixed hordes UNLESS you're specifically using the crusher to apply mass-brittleness (they don't deal good damage to armor without it), OR you have the brittleness blessing on your flamer (if you're running it).
Really, their only purpose is thinning or outright killing trash hordes, which is most useful during boss fights.
I haven't used knives in over a year now and I don't miss them either. The immolation grenades are very useful in the right situations. 2 immolation grenades clear a ritual without any other input, so you can toss one, chorus to buy yourself space, and toss the second, if you're the only one paying attention to it, which will happen sometimes.
Also stun grenades are "fine", it's just that every zealot should run chorus and max revive speed, both of which are better in that role than the grenades could ever hope to be.

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>>580196628
sure, have fun.
protip - use them EXTREMELY sparingly, only in those "oh shit oh fuck" moments. And defer grenade pickups to other classes, you're the last in order to pick them up, basically if everyone else is full then you can snatch them
>because I'm genuinely just horrible at using the throwing knives.
I'd recommend you get good at knifejutsu anyway, it is a necessary skill to have on zealot.
It's not that hard, too, trust me, just aim slightly above the head and you'll kill it.
Start with shorter ranges, don't be afraid to knife someone from like 5-8 meters away, longer ranges will come in time.

Humans have inbuilt ballistic processors, we're really good at eyeballing trajectories, you'll get there

>>580197068
>the brittleness blessing on your flamer
Throwing a flame nade into a chokepoint and then flaming the incoming CRUSHER rapetrain (psyker with brittleness staff optional) is ridiculously fucking fun, you remember the old Rotten Armor mod with like 50 gorillion crusher spawns?
fun times.

>>580197364
The only thing I miss about it, is pre-nerf HP numbers actually allowing the flamer to be useful damage-wise. Its damage has unfortunately been borderline power crept out of relevance. It's great at suppressing/staggering with the primary, and the brittleness it applies is good, but that's unfortunately kind of it. If you ever need to use it for damage, that's a failure on your team's part.

>>580198012
Yeah nowadays it's basically a mass-brittleness applier and that's it
I don't mind it, but I fucking hate how Fagshart buffed the enemy HP and then just forgot about half of the existing weapons roster, I whined about it a few threads ago but they released Arbitrator with a cool "sniping" mark and then immediately fucked it the next patch by buffing enemy HP, it's so retarded

>>580198270
sniping shotgun mark'

Consignment Yard Sigma-67

>>580198270
>they released Arbitrator with a cool "sniping" mark and then immediately fucked it the next patch by buffing enemy HP
I didn't even notice this desu. I'm pretty sure that with enough damage + Soulguilt Scan it still one-taps all gunners at medium range. At least, I don't remember struggling to snipe enemies with it in h40. But it's also been a while since I've bothered playing arbitrator in h40 because it's pretty underwhelming and less impactful to carry with than a well-timed chorus. Plus, I don't like playing the BTL/AV damage build.

Tangentially, I HAVE had a run with a good arbitrator recently. The guy was a fucking unicorn. Actually used BTL correctly and kept shit knocked over most of the time. I kinda just hugged him and nothing ever touched me, that was pretty cool. But a good ogryn does that AND 6 gorillion damage unfortunately.

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Didn’t realize the last thread ended (if you still care)

>>580023663
No shame in losing to (one of) the best ;)
>>580108335
One of the four Chaos Champions who are basically Chaos Space Marines that stand head and shoulders above most mortal servants of their respective patron gods. Lucius’ shtick is that he is an absurdly skilled swordsman and duelist and obsessed with being the best ever, he’s top 10~ in the setting more or less, and he was already a beast in a fight before he even fell to Chaos and was just a regular marine. He’s fought and killed some of the deadliest units every faction has to offer like Ork Warbosses, Drukhari Incubi and Archons, other high ranking Space Marine champions (including the Emperor’s Champion of the Black Templars) and has also bested the best duelists other legions had to offer like Sanakht of the Thousand Sons, who’s chances of losing were so infinitesimally slim other marines of the TS literally couldn’t even foresee a future in which he was defeated in single combat via their precognitive Psyker powers. His main thing is that he can’t be killed by anyone while they’re feeling pride or he’ll possess their bodies shortly after, but this has been upgraded because he can now possess even Necrons so it seems just killing him is enough to trigger it. He also has a barbed whip (the red tentacles in the picture) that’s actually a sentient daemon weapon that can project the pain of anyone it strikes and captures to those in the area, the original sword Fulgrim himself used to wield, and armor with combat drugs imbedded in it that can reduce people to red mist via sonic screams produced by all of the souls of his killers that are also trapped within it. His biggest weakness is that because he’s Slaaneshi associated he’s also overconfident and rarely actually tries in a fight, but even when not trying he can tear apart regular marines (Chaos or otherwise) like nothing.

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>>580108335
He’s always seeking new heights of sensation and he accordingly pulls his punches, he likes to play with his food but also knows 95~ percent of the setting simply can’t handle him firing on all cylinders, if he were to instagib everyone he came across instantly he’d be potentially depriving himself of experiencing something new, so you need to personally offend him to make him go all out.

>>580199708
>still one-taps all gunners at medium range
It doesn't, that's the problem

>>579871216
The Leagues of Votann are the descendants of Dark Age of Technology era humans who were sent to the galactic core as mining prospectors. Their tech is really advanced accordingly, and they’ve fiercely maintained their overall independence from other empires like the Tau and Imperium, though because of their decentralized nature you’ll frequently find ‘merchant guilds’ working in collaboration with both. They have giant supercomputers that serve as an ‘afterlife’ for themselves but these are slowly starting to fail because they’re being overloaded. They also have giant mining rigs that can swallow moons/planets whole and basically scrap them whole for valuable materials.

I checked the plasma gun blessings for the first time and holy shit they all seem amazing. Are you supposed to run full crit build or heat + strenght?

>>580185571
It was like a hundred scab trash with the unarmored heads. More than enough enemies to hitmass block even the cleave build on the last swing.
>this dumb nigger bent over backwards far enough to shove his head up his own ass, to try and claim I doctored with the footage or disingenuously selected malice or something.
This is you right now.

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>>580200881
The Votann are > < this close to being good, and actually fitting into 40k universe.
Like you read their color text and it's just on the verge of being cool, but they just feel like reddit.
I don't know why, I can't pinpoint it.
I like how they are the "dwarves hidden in the hostile, uninhabitable mountains" with the whole galactic core shtick, I like how over the top they can be, I don't know what's wrong with them, the names?
Designs too sanitized, too much NASA and not enough Nordic/Dwarven vibes?
They reek of post AoS nu-GW, and it's so fucking depressing, they would be my most favourite faction if they were just WHFB dorfs in space

>>580201053
The boring meta build is some crit + some strength, you can find 1000000 guides on the 'lantern with the same blessings in every single one of them.

I tried to fuck around with it a little bit, full crit plays basically like the base meta version of it, it's strong but too random to be consistent, and the strength charge version is too slow and too ammo-hungry to be used in game imo

>>580193920
Fury is actually fun, and stealth is gay

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Failed this like 5 times in a row in a public game because my team seemed to handle themselves.
They must've thought how is this retard dead again so many times. Meanwhile I was a retard on a whole different level.

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>>580202668
>Meanwhile I was a retard on a whole different level.
Correct.

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>>580202668
God you're so fucking bad lmao
Self-reporting shitters are the best part of this thread

>>580203009
Yes and?

>>580202582
>It's actually fun
Fury is just a targeted dash that does 1/10 the dmg Shroud does.
It doesn't even have the clutch utility of Shroud.

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>>580171128
I'm planning on using CachyOS for this. Anything I should know ahead of time before I start Darktide for the first time? I think I should be fine with Steam's Proton but I'm just wondering if there's anything I need to know first?

>>580173117
Supposedly the Femboy skitty meme was started by an unhinged fujo artist who kept pumping out those art pieces and it became a tired meme.
The lads at /tg/ might be more in tuned with the background lore of these art pieces, but the joke got overdone too much.

>>580204487
>Fury is just a targeted dash that does 1/10 the dmg Shroud does.
And it is still more fun.
Shroud is over tuned is what it is.

>>580205225
Joke? Those freaks are jerking off to that shit

>>580205225
>Supposedly the Femboy skitty meme was started by an unhinged fujo artist who kept pumping out those art pieces and it became a tired meme.
Basically what happened.
The artist was a woman that was knee deep in fujo guro shit. I remember checking their twitter one time out of morbid curiosity and it's bio said something like "femboy trap teehee" the typical fag-noun jargon. Then I saw one of their tweet talking about how they had gotten some sort of surgery too, didn't specify.
So the artist was a fujoshi woman, who was believed themselves to be a effeminate guy, who is pretending to be a woman. They literally trooned out twice, somehow.

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>>580205508
>Shroud is over tuned
Ahh yes, that's why i see so many people running it.
Total meta top pick Combat Ability right there.

>>580204487
Anon confirmed for not understanding Fury

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what went wrong?

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>>580201569
>they would be my most favourite faction if they were just WHFB dorfs in space
Does having taste this awful hurt?

>>580206420
Post yfw they fix the chain weapon exploit.

>>580206420
Not an argument.

>>580206040
Shroud shouldn't be able to 1 tap any bosses.
>but it's not optimal
I don't care, it shouldn't be able to do that, period.

>>580206705
Isn't that just where you latch onto the boss with an eviscerator and then press F?
It does a fuck load of damage when done like that.

>>580207185
Shroud should be buffed to actually be useful outside of that meme niche.
The main balance problem is that shroud makes certain weapons far too strong. Relic blade is the biggest offender. It's fine if thammer can one-shot bosses from stealth in its current state, but thammer is also a piece of shit that needs reworking.

>>580207368
Yes, that's basically the primary reason to even use FotF: exploiting the way it interacts with chain weapons. I'm about 90% sure that's not intended in any way. The interaction between FotF and eviscerator and chain axe is basically the only reason to use either of those on zealot. Chain sword is just a worse eviscerator fwiw.

>>580207376
Shroud should be a harassment tool that you use to run into the enemy back line and then give all the gunners the london special.
But trying to use it that way just gets you killed.

>>580207185
>Literally what the ability is designed for
>noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo it shouldn't do that!
You have to optimize your build for it to do that and lock out other better talent points for your built.
It can't even really 1tap H40 bosses without some added brittleness or other outside factors from your team.

It's definitionally more balanced than a lot of other shit in the game since you have to make compromises.

>>580207913
>It can't even really 1tap H40 bosses without some added brittleness or other outside factors from your team.
A charged RB sprint backstab does, what, like 80% of a boss' health effortlessly? I forget the exact numbers but even a bolt pistol is enough to finish it off. Literally one-shotting is a meme niche regardless. If the ability were actually useful outside of that meme niche, that would be better for the game overall, and it would be fine to lose that meme niche. Relic blade being able to do it in the first place is not okay anyway, that weapon has no tangible weakness, it doesn't also need that strength.

>>580208165
>Shroud shouldn't be able to do the thing it was intended for
>The ability that can solo res a team has no utility
>We should nerf the only thing that makes Zealot viable
Any other insightful takes you want to share with the general Mr.FatShart employee?

>>580208778
>>The ability that can solo res a team has no utility
You can fire the explosive bolt pistol into the gunner nest twice, and once at your feet, and then your revive speed curios make for an almost free revive anyway.
>the only thing that makes Zealot viable
lmao now you're just trolling

>>580208985
>I want to gut everything good the class has left while Skitty holds down shift+w and gets more damage just by existing
The only "person" here trolling is you unc.

>>580209369
I'm sure that's how zealot plays when (You)r brown hands touch it. Yet strangely, every h40 party that actually wants to win brings a zealot that does none of the things you listed. Very, very interesting, isn't it?

>>580209542
You're not making any sense.
What things did i list?

>>580209820
>solo res a team with stealth
>the only thing that makes Zealot viable [heavily implied through damage, such as one-tapping bosses, as per the conversation thread]
>Skitty holds down shift+w and gets more damage just by existing [implying that damage is king]
Is this your humiliation ritual again?

>>580201569
Personally I’m not a fan of the whole “they treat their robots as equals!!!!” thing that keeps being emphasized because it’s obvious where it’s coming from in spirit but it’s now clear they’re being set up for a reckoning regarding that whole aspect of their society so it could potentially turn around to be kino, everything else is now pretty solid with them.

>>580210037
>Contradicting yourself since you said Shroud had no utility
>Lacks reading comprehension(i was talking about the relic blade, which you also wanted nerfed)
>Doesn't know what abstractions are since you took my example of skitty having way more damage for way less effort literally
We're done here.

>>580210619
I already explained why reviving a team with stealth is irrelevant when the bolt pistol can do the same thing for less investment.
As for your other drivel, you just aren't ready to accept that zealot's ultimate weapon is the crusher, and that the optimal damage score is somewhere in the 400~500k range because zealot is a support class now.
Stop coping by trying to force the square peg through the circle hole just because you're too retarded to move on and play scum.

>>580210914
You're not suppose to completely concede in arguments like this.
But i'll take it i guess.

>>580211293
Your grammar alone suggests that you are incredibly retarded, anon.

>>580208778
>>The ability that can solo res a team has no utility
When the only thing an ability can be used for is if your team fucks up horribly in those 1% of cases where the AI director snorts crack, it just means the ability is basically useless the rest 99% of the time.

Which is completely accurate to stealth zealots in H40. Everytime I see one in the team it's red fucking flag and I prepare to lose before even make it half way through the mission.

>>580211479
Never mind the fact that chorus can get 2 revives off without anything touching you, assuming you max revive speed.

>>580211479
Not even disputing that.
it's the other retard that think Shroud is too strong.

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>>580212014
>no two things can be true at the same time
It's incredible just how retarded you are.
Relic blade one-shotting bosses isn't okay, because it imbalances the weapon.
Stealth one-shotting bosses isn't okay, because it makes plebbitors and fagsharts soi out over that meme and think the ability is actually useful.
Stealth is dogshit for several reasons, should lose the one-shot meme for stated reasons, and be buffed in other ways to compensate.
What are you to be this retardedly tribalistic? South American? The lack of literacy sure suggests as much.

@580212695
You already lost timmy.
No reason to backpedal now.

>>580206743
>implying I care to argue with a disingenuous retard who can't comprehend the most basic Zealot ability's numerous benefits
lmao

>He's started replying to my older posts now
Holy fuck give it a rest.

>>580212014
Shroud 1 shotting bosses IS too strong, it shouldn't be able to do that at all and it should get the nerf hammer.
Shroud is also at best worthless and at worst complete dogshit in every other way besides the 1 meme use it has.

Both of these statements are correct.

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>anons arguing about what should be nerfed
>on the class that's currently the weakest
please, sir, can I have some buffs instead?