poefrogs edition[PoE 1]>Curse of the Allflamehttps://www.pathofexile.com/allflame>3.29.3b Patch Noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-post/26841440[PoE 2]>Return of the Ancientshttps://pathofexile2.com/ancients>Forbidden Riteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/3999858>0.5.5 Patch noteshttps://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/4000864Registerhttps://pathofexile2.com/registerResourceshttps://pastebin.com/SHt8unCtprevious tub >>>580498612
apologize
damn abyss prints good items
comparison is the thief of joy
>>580583549a zekoa the headcrusher with the "Extra Crits" modifier (most important, takes base crit from 25% to 100%) and if you can get it also "Hasted" (hard to find both on the same monkey)
Is there a crafting guide for retards somewhere? I have literally no idea what I'm doing, I just keep slammin exalts on shit
what's the process here? fracture crit damage, chaos spam to double rarity, desecrate+omen of light to cooldown reduction?
>pick semi strict for filter so i can see the 1000s of different absolute dogshit unique items in this gamei might build animate weapon/guardian just to fuck around with these DOGSHIT items
>>580583703I have to use unique tablets for it, right? it's so annoying to farm monsters
>>580583831yh minion crit comes from breach tree
>>580583831The process is buy from crafters and shut the f*ck up
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>>580583992any tablet with "Unique monsters have 1 additional rare modifier" and/or Cruel Hegemony unique overseer tablet (does the same thing but applies only to map boss, not summoning circle bosses)
One thing I wish poe2 would do is change the player model and dialogue portraits once you ascend. Look how cool Shaman looks, and none of it is achievable ingame
>>580583764https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv-DLujA0Qs
>Open up poe 1 stream for drops>They're just playing poe 2 in the poe 1 categoryS A B O T A G E D
never forget
>>580584547the best possible scenario
>>580584354They would make less money if they did that.
>>580584354didnt mark say they were doing that? i remember him saying some shit about the bloodmage
>>580584204and where can I farm Zorak? what map
>>580584987ravine and rupture iirc
>>580584751I know, but still... it'd be so nice...Like, I can at least get a similar body armour for Shaman ingame, it's Blackbraid, but even that is only similar and wholly inferior to what is on the art. Braces and boots are completely unique tho.>>580584827I'm guessing the ascendancy armours in the store are their answer to it, but even then at least portraits would be nice. But also, if you could point me to which interview you think that was brought up in, that'd be sweet
FORTHEGAYVIOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>580585060riverside
>people talk about how gemling is strong and this is the last chance before 1.0 nerfs>follow a twister guide>try ssf because I figure gearing with ritual won't be too bad>can't actually complete the ritual tree because the boss is functionally impossible without wallsfun
>>580584525Thanks amigo
what the fuck is it with these sad bastards
>>580586331You know what you did, retard
>>580586671fuck off cuntur no better than the kike it selfkys
Bro, I've got like 5 different Herald mtx. Why the fuck is not a single one of them in 2 yet?
>>580586739Know your place, goy
>>580586762Jonah Rogerwizsteinberg is selling mtx's for each herald individually and nickel and diming his playerbase. I'll be surprised if they even transfer over our herald mtx.
>>580586825>imagine supporting jews, isreal & genocideas i said, kys kike
turns out poe2 economy is just bad
>>580587114poe 2 is*
poop2ers kys
>>580583831fracture crit, chaos t1 mf on the suffix, quality alloy on the prefix, +40q, whittle the alloy into t1 mf, desecrate cdr. the last two steps will be assfuck rng.
holy SHIT TWO DIVINES IM FUCKIN RICH
easy fix for the 38% gemlin usage to lower it for 1.0 is to make the quality to gems only work for crossbow skill gems whilst with merc's 3 ascendancies and then give the extra quality stats to each ascendancies skill gem tabs so witches 3 ascendancies gets given all the occult skills quality to gems extra effect from gemlinsorc's 3 ascendancies gets given the gemlin's additional quality affect for the elemental spell gems and so on gemlin gets extra quality stuff for crossbow, its to good compared to everything else otherwise if this change is not done or its not removed which would be retarded to even have the ascendancy if it is removed
I hate act 2
>>580588398>halfassed nerflolno. they will just delete the node altogether
>>580588656it would technically be a buff across the board and give people a reason to play other ascendancies with the new quality effects being exclusive to their class with the skill gems as i stated witch gets occult for example
>>580583472
Poop of Excrement 2? Didn't that release all the way back in 2024?
POOP
>>580588618recently did act 3 on diablo 2 resurrected and it made me want to blow my brains out.not sure how i did this as a kid.
>>580588398it's 38% because it's a small event that no one will play for more than a couple of weeks. gemling has good def/dps for zero investment and a bunch of streamers are playing it and have build guides for it.
>spend 40 div acquiring tablets>make 250 div selling tablets
>>580589489>click tablets>quit because it's boring
>>580589548>click map portal>quit because it's boring
>>580589734why are you even logging into a game you don't like playing?
>>580589489Ok? What now? You won't farm maps or do any content because the thought will always be in the back of your mind that you could be flipping instead and making much more money. You fucked yourself over and you don't even know it. I genuinely pity you.
>>580589791I'm not, the game is dogshit, why are you logging into a dogshit game?
i'd rather eat dogshit than nothing at all
why poe2 look so ashy?
>>580586331GGG should lighten up a little
>>580589931DIVSWITHOUT VALUEDIVSI CANT GET ENOUGHDIVSI LIKE THE TUBCUZ ID RATHER EAT SHIT THAN NOTHING AT ALLLLLRATHEREATSHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>i spend all my free time posting in a 4chan thread about a game i don't like
I do it for the love of the tub.
>i spend all my free time posting in a 4chan thread about a game i don't like but both used to like and would love to like again
Why is he scared of competing in PoE 2? Does he know he stands no chance and he's just the #1 goldfish in a small pond when there's an ocean of sharks out there?
>>580590512actually i spend all my work time posting here so i am a professional tubposter
>>580590713poop2 is bad
>>580590713yeah i am sure he is "scared" of racing against those poo2troons, i'd be scared of injecting this much estrogen too
What happened to the economy?I thought inflation was bad RL, but ex to div is going nuts, a few days ago 1 div was 80 ex, yesterday it was 150, now its 418. A mirror is 9180 div, this is getting out of hand, the league has'nt even been out a week.EDIT: POE Overlay was showing me Standard prices. Correct prices hasnt gone up as much as i depicted, but the increase still sits at about 70% in 1 day. Edit 2: This blew up abit more than expected, consensus seems that there is something wrong with the economy gamestate, instead of NOT talking about i think we should talk more about it. "another day, another post" is probably not the right answer if your not happy about the gamestate.
RAAAAGGGHHHHH!!!
>>580591264just let them cook, it's not even fully released yet
>>580591264exalts are fucking worthless, so what?the only exchange ratio that matters for taking the pulse of the economy is divs to mirrors
>mageblood goes up over 50 divs per day>this is a GOOD thing
>>580591505only the shittiest of players aren't able to make over 100 divs a day a week into a league. Most who have a clue are making 500+. Get better if you want the carrot.
>>580591583anon, i got minebut it's still indicative of a badly designed economy that this is happening
>>580590713Generally when someone is really good at something they have trouble adapting to anything new because they are very obviously autistic. You could chalk it up to ego, but it's a much simpler answer to realize they are autistically attached to something and their mind refuses to let them move on.
>>580591583How do they get those divs tho
Poop of Excrement 2: All form, no function
>>580591642Why? Should a chase item be obtainable by literally anybody who has enough iq to install the game? Prices on headhunter always went up daily back in the day, but back then exalts were extraordinarily rare and you didn't print 100's of them per day. So the price creeped upwards. It's not as bad as it looks, it's just adjusted now for how much currency drops, which is orders of magnitude higher than it was when you could buy a hh for 40ex 2 weeks in.They've gone overboard with the loot pinata. Stop looking at currency value through the lens of yesteryear. We're in maximum zimbabwe orbflation now and GGG endorses this choice.
>>580591642the rare items are rare. poor people get less poor. less poor people buy megablud. megablud gets more expensive.
>>580591765>a hyperonflatory video game economy is goodexplain how hyperinflation is good.
>>580591583I have no idea how to make divsI do rituals, try to get the ritual chain going with 2 rare tablets and the unique one and cross my fingers i get good shit on the ritual treesSometimes an omen drops that sells for like 1-2 divs but its rare. The rest are trash uniques that arent even worth vendoringOn average i get like 15-18 rerolls and its page after page of dogshit Seriously at a loss. I feel like i wasted my time engaging with the league mechanic
>>580591817I don't think it's a big deal really if prices go up 100x if im still able to make 100x more currency per day though. The value of labor hasn't changed, just the arbitrary value of orbs.It does look bad on paper though.
>>580591897if you prefer killing monsters over clicking tablets, then the value of your labor is going down by the minutethat's a problem in a game about killing monsters, poe1 solved this problem.
>>580591821>he doesn't know
>>580591985Literally i don't
>>580591971Yeah and if you're a minimum wage worker, the value of your labor has decayed b y like 97.8% since 1980. Not my problem. I'm really feeling the weight of the jewish wealth disparity machine Jonathan has invented.
>>580592049the game is about killing monsters, if killing monsters is the worst activity you can do then the game has failed
>>580592113the game isn't about goygrinding, it's about kikecrafting.
>>580592159so we both agree poo2 failed?
>10c is worth 1d
>>580592194it failed at being a replacement to poe1, but it was clearly never meant to replace poe1, the games are aimed at very different audiences. They feel way too different.
if killing monsters better isn't the point of poo2 then what do you even need the items for
let's unfuck the economy and think of a good div sink for 1.0the obvious candidates are>prefix cannot be changed>suffix cannot be changed>cannot roll attack/caster modseach costing somewhere between 2 and 10 divs.but how about>choose random affix and lock it for one use of a crafting item (useful for chaos rolling, emotions, alloys)5 div>add arbiter of divinity's influence to map, cleansing the map and adding mods to rares similar to 'innocence-touched' from PoE 1 (very difficult extra juice)10 div
>>580592430to show off to other kikecrafters in the kikecrafting trophy thread on the POEJSP.org forums?
PoE2 failed melee gameplay.
>>580592637every arpg since diablo 1 failed melee gameplay.
how would (YOU) make melee good in arpgs? my opinion is: true melee can never be good, the only time it is good is when it's not actually melee.
>>580592829I wouldn't. Melee niggers deserve to crawl through the dirt soiling themselves while crying 24/7.
>>580592829good as in, able to clear the screen at lightning speed from range like casters/range can in poe 2? not really gonna happen.imo melee should work like it kinda already does but make it safer to play ie tankier at a baseline. make life more impactful. then you fundamentally change the game so range classes work like glass cannons where being able to murder screen means you risk being 1 tapped if you mess up. for that you need to heavily nerf energy shield which should've happened a long time ago. make it so melee cannot really use es as well so they can't just get more layers of defense. or maybe they can, but they have to sacrifice damage
>>580592829Melee is fine, they just need to stop nuking any type of screen clearing melees are able to get by investingHerald chaining for example
>>580592829The issue isn't that melee is bad. In a vacuum it's fine. The problem is everything else is hilariously busted. Like they've been ripped from different games.
feels good
>>580592829Trying to do melee the conventional way where you're actually meleeing every mob is just too slow most of the time. The best you'd get is something like a zeal pally from d2, maybe. Then there's cleave effects which can still feel like melee up to a point but then people will eventually want to be going faster and clearing more efficiently (with bigger AoEs) and this will inevitably lead you to the problem where it's not really melee anymore.
>>580592637And spell gameplay
>>580593646flicker strike kind of worked while technically fulfilling the requirement of swinging at each individual mob kekit illustrates the issue perfectly though.
>>580593643evasion status?
Remove rogue exiles
>>580592829>large aoe like geonor's swing>flicker-like gap closers>innate block/evade bonus
>>580593871are we really gonna pretend a screen-wide swing is melee in anything else except name?
>>580593940that's just how it is retard. you gonna hit every one of the 500 mobs in a map individually and run up to them?it's a magically enhanced sword, who cares. melee can be magic. heard of spellblades?
>>580594026>you gonna hit every one of the 500 mobs in a map individually and run up to them?that's what the melee turds are dreaming about btw
>>580593940>>580593646Yes, it is still melee, because you're using a melee weapon and a melee skillIt adds a nice axis of scaling to the melee archetype, where you're able to get faster clear speed not only with attack speed and move speed but also with AoE.There's nothing wrong with that, melee player dont mind it at all. We just want that available to us, its not really available at all right now in PoE 2 outside herald chaining which scales very poorly
>>580586331I'm saving this for the unfair ban compilation, you did nothing wrong
>>580594065I just want it to be more like early diablo 4 funnily enoughI played a frenzy/double swing barb on launch and it was a lot of fun. Super tanky and great damage but it was only in a sort of narrowish cone in front of you. Everyone else trying to play mass aoe clear builds on Sorc or whatever would get instagibbed if shit got close to them, which is how ranged classes should function. I still cleared plenty fast because the damage was good.It should be more like that
>Melee combat refers to close-range, hand-to-hand fighting where opponents are within direct physical reach of one another. Derived from the French word mêlée (meaning "to mix" or "a confused fight"), it traditionally describes a chaotic brawl involving multiple participants. In modern contexts, particularly modern gaming and martial arts, it is defined as any combat format that uses physical force or handheld weapons rather than ranged projectiles or magic.
hand to tub combat
>he is a jingakh
>>580594253>it's not a true melee unless there's a referee and the two gentlemen have agreed to partake in fisticuffs, CHUD
>>580594196>Everyone else trying to play mass aoe clear builds on Sorc or whatever would get instagibbed if shit got close to them, which is how ranged classes should function.in the latest diabloslop games it's easier to pull this off because they've gated all the gear to being class-specific. So they can make the sorc gear give very little tank and make the barb gear give supertank. The problem is not so fixable in PoE where gear is agnostic. You can make a caster just as tanky as a melee; even tankier. So melee is always going to feel shit in poe because just like the casters you are vulnerable to being ripped all the time but unlike casters you need to stick your cock in the alligator's mouth to do damage.No real fix for POE i think.
Diablo leak update?
>>580592829You just teleport like 3m whenever you attack a new enemy, like this>Lunge Support>Supports melee strike skills>On attacking an enemy you haven't targetted recently you teleport to close range>Increases to strike range apply to this skills teleportation range>.2s CD
>>580594842this is called flicker strike
>>580594842they tried this by building in a small movement component into attacksnow everyone uses whirling assault to move around
Someone in the genny said like a month ago that GGG claimed that phrecia idols were a throw away idea thats scrapped and will never make it into the main gameThis makes me incredibly sad. Legit exactly what we need in PoE 2 instead of tablets
>>580594945I think the best feeling melee skills are those staff ones that just straight up teleport you around so that's what i based it off
>>580595147ok but now get this:you make a ranged character and use these instant teleports to just move fasterboom, melee is off worse again
>>580595182NTA but uhh make it only work on non-caster staff bases? That way casters can't have their cake and eat it too by wielding a big stat stick. You'll have to sacrifice two whole gear slots for the better movement...
>>580594842so make all melee flicker? and it still loses out in clear speed to just having screenwide aoe>>580594580>You can make a caster just as tanky as a melee; even tankiernerf ES and add life clusters to the marauder/warrior part of the tree
>>580595379>so make all melee flicker?Its make all melee consecrated path
>>580595007That would be fun, not allowed in poe2.
Just steal Forge Guard, VK and Blade rogue from LE
>>580595007tablets just need more fun mods. the idea that they're limited use and also craftable is very good imo and provides a decent currency sink. only problem is lack of interesting mods, and lack of actual crafting mods like alteration orbs or PoE1 style chaos rolling.
>>580595676We will never get alterations or scourings just make your peace with it already
>>580595294You can weapon swap into a quarterstaff
Diablo doesn't have a general on /vg/ that's proof it's dog shit.
cutedog already quit the forbidden rites league....
reminder that moving is a defensive layer that's why flicker strike or any melee mobility skills shouldn't exists in poe2
>>580595763jonathan, just accept that by the time 1.5 is out you will already have added alts and scours because literally nobody likes the cookie cutter dogshit that is augment-annul or simply chaos rolling for a fracture base, to then chaos roll even more.And you'll add PoE1 essence rolling too you fat fuck and you'll like it.
>>580595849>ritubal
>>580595890>shitetruly a mercenary league
>>580595676>tablets get interesting mods>cue posts complaining about those tablets being "too expensive" blah blah/poeg/ is going to complain about the game no matter what
>>580595860Retard, they have infinite design space right now. Dont just assume they'll copy PoE 1 to 1 forever. Desecration is already quite a different system from veiled mods We will get a synthesis like system in the future aswell. Hopefully its more similar to Crucible tho
>>580595947if only they'd make the game good instead of shit
>>580592829they shouldn't buff melee, they should nerf ranged and especially zero and 1-button builds.
i hate pressing buttons that's why i bot
>they still haven't fixed the throw-item-into-well animation taking forever and being mandatoryform over function btw
>>580595961>Dont just assume they'll copy PoE 1 to 1 forever. Desecration is already quite a different system from veiled mods
>>580596046it takes like 5 seconds lole
>>580595961>Desecration is already quite a different system from veiled modsno it's LITERALLY the exact same concept. PoE1 has refined and solved many problems over the course of decades, the crafting has basically reached the optimal balance between tedium, reward, cost and friction.PoE2 will get old essences, it will get fossils, it will get implicit rolling. you just know it. The same problems will occur without it, and the same solutions will be thought of because those are the best solutions with the best tradeoff. Anything else is trying to force yourself to reinvent the wheel for the sake of doing it.
>>580596027why do you hate having fun?
>>580596101yeah well fuck you im jonathan goddamned rogers and i get paid ~700k usd a yr just to make a game everyone hates.
>>580596093it's 5 worthless seconds that don't add anything to the game, and repeat every time you go into a fresh well.so it adds up to multiple 10s of minutes of you waiting over the course of a league
>>580595974I accept your concession.
>I accept your concession.
>>580596321i look like this
>>580596132just make them require better gear before they get the same clearspeed as pressing more buttons. that way players willing to level and farm gear with builds that have more buttons can respec into those builds sooner.
>look up some poe 2 stuff on youtube>every single preview is ai generatedAmazing
>>580596101Do veiled mods have an omen of light? Do they have a reroll currency? Can you target specific mod tags (ulaman, amunamu etc)? Do people use veiled mods to block other mods (the way you do in PoE 2 for whittlings)?Its obviously inspired by veiled mods but lets not pretend its a 1:1 thing.
>>580596357the game is for normalnigcatgoyoidrones and they loooove ai. not surprising
the tub is overflowing..
>>580596428>Do veiled mods have an omen of light?Do veiled mods have omen of light saar>Do they have a reroll currency?depends, you can either lock suffix/prefix and scour, lucky annul, or use eldritch currency. >Can you target specific mod tagveiled mods are in its own distinct pool which is reasonably small enough to not have to target specific mods.blocking with crafted mods is also possible>Do people use veiled mods to block other modspeople use crafted mods to block certain veiled modsif you think this system is different, you may be an indian or chink who is used to copying homework. we all see through you.
Let. Them. Cook.
>>580596625I just have to assume you're a turboshitter in both games if you think they fill the same exact purposes and functions in both games
>>580589384first non retard answer holy shit
>>580596686you're not even gonna explain how you think the two systems have a different purpose? just gonna hand me that concession?well, accepted.
>>580595613Also just steal the ward and endurance systems wholesale
>>580596782I literally gave you the examples and you responded with either nonsense. You said that blocking mods for veiled mods is the same as PoE 2, when they're literally the oppositeIn PoE 1 you block mods with the crafting bench to get higher chance of a good veiled modIn PoE 2 you use the desecrated mod as a block in order for your whittle to give you what you wantThey serve opposite purposes yet you are trying to tell me that its the same purpoes. Either bad faith or turboshitter (probably both)
>>580595920
>>580596941>*explains self*>"not even gonna explain?">replies to the obvious bait replybaka..
>>580596941>in poe1 A blocks B, but in poe2 B blocks A>that means it's totally different and original thanks jonathan!
>>580597013Thats all good. He's been crying about alterations and scourings for 2 years now
desecrating the tub until it's full
>>580597282pissing on the person behind the camera of my favorite femboy twitch dot com vtuber until the entire tub is full of piss.
Controversial opinion - the atlas tree just isnt neededI think the whole "kill an arbiter then you get all points" just demonstrates the problem, maps without all the tree feel terrible and it doesn't matter what you do or don't pick on the tree it's all only upsidesIn POE1 terms the mechanic trees do everything the POE1 Atlas tree does, but without making any tradeoffs, you can't even boost your chance of running X mechanics, you have to do that via tabletsI have no idea why they split the tree, it feels like busy work for the sake of it, go fetch 300+ pts and click 300+ points, all to get to a baseline worth running - and all while you can't do mechanics because you haven't done their points yetAnd after all that, every single map is the same - and the *only* thing that changes them (apart from a few node X vs Y choices)) is the tablets you useBasically - your best approach is run every single map white till you fill your atlas and mechanic trees - so 500 maps of "run to boss, kill boss" and *then* you can play the game by picking tablets
>>580596606>shit like this is still in the gameAre they retarded?
2.7gb update? the fuck happened here
>>580597447im so glad i uninstalled right after they nerfed my cast on freeze comet build (fun) which left only unfun builds left to play.
>get the ritual chain for farming>i know, i'll put it on breach maps that are rewarding atlas points>that way i can clear them for free points for breach which i want to do later>clear the map>get no atlas pointhahaha fucking hell
>>580595890>>580597587i love these edited text pics. how did you make them?
>>580597587kek
>>580597637Take a guess
>>580597690yeah AI but which one is good
>>580596046>throw item into well>drop into abyss>enter deli boss mirror>viper boss cutsceneMany such cases
>>580597739It's just woodful's obsession with making things look good rather than play well
>>580586331>I only say gg 5 times
>>580597717aren't all at this point?
>>580597898well Gemini is apparently shit, just tried it.
>>580597478cosmetics, 90% of patch file sizes are just cosmetics every single time.
>>580598062weird, works pretty well for me
VICH VONE VOF VYOU VIS VOF VAAL VBLOOD
>>580598092if you're using gemini just say so you tubbed retard
Cool trial "rework"It's still fuck ass shit garbage that I don't want to doWhy are they so obsessed with hiding your ascendancy behind absolute time wasting ass cancer?
>>580599048because it looks pretty, have you seen those areas? you HAVE to go look at them!
>>580599048feel the weight of your ascendance.
>>580599048mazie
>>580599048trialmaster have no health. by the time you get your 4th ascendancy you should already be melting all bosses before they have time to do their mechanics
>>580599630I'm not talking about the trialmaster. I'm talking about every second room still being a fucking time waster shit trial when they said they would be removing those rooms because everyone hated them. GGG are getting more and more blatant with their fucking lies.
>>580599812it's called friction chud. got to intentionally keep in some stuff people hate to make things feel rewarding. Else it's just zoomzoomslop
we're all playing the lance league in 7 hours btw
>>580595814i was going to ask is it worth 10 bucks its on sale on steam
>>580600675Only d2r is worth playing
why does activating bosses take so fucking long? talking about deli boss
blizzcon this weekend
>>580601397apparently blizzard are saying diablo fags are going to sperg with whats going to be shown, i will laugh at immortal 2.0 you guys dont have cloud?>>580600787yeah i got that its alright but mods and project d2 is better because it has endgame even though ive never played that since it needs internet and a old copy
>>580601397Warcraft 4?
Tub of Excrement II
>>580601787daiblo doom shooterstarcraft hero shooteroverwatch tactical shooter
