What are the odds this game will survive the first month with >50% playerbase still active?
I feel like I'm an idiot for not just refunding this crap now before the cracks start to appear

>>580720172
i think it will sit nicely around 5-10k for most of its lifetime

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>unlock order will be random from season to season

Am I missing something or is there some wierd keybind I need to open the map while im driving a truck?

I'm torn because while I did have (some) fun in the betas and all my friends got it

I can't justify the high price tag for an unfinished and frankly disjointed game.

>>580721402
Something about this whole game just feels off, mechanics are very cluncky and I still don't really see what sets this game apart from the Steam budget bin.
What was the name of the last "Battlefield killer" which was supposed to challenge BF6? World War 3?

>>580721591
It's just how it's all a smorgasborg of everything out there and it's not even their refined version. I still have no clue what the tarkov inventory system adds. It's a chore to deal with when you have limited space, but the second you get bigger backpacks, you can always stash 3 mags + spare ammo to top it off.

I dont want to pile on the doom but Im on 100 minutes and wondering if I should refund. The game seems fun enough but is there only one gamemode? And if nobody is using voice the chat the game is just kinda lame

>game looks fun
>thinkgen of buying it
>remember i have the cheater capital of the world right next door to the east
FUCK

Easiest way to level up support? I want the stinger.

>>580722093
I'm 100% positively certain they added that crap to reel in the Tarkov crowd.

Go get arma 3.

I've played solo for a couple of hours without any idea of how the game works and I've learned absolutely nothing.
I avoid logistics roles completely because I have no clue of what to build and where, I don't even know what the towers are for and I don't want to get the spawn vehicle because I don't know where to park it and I'm deeply afraid of fucking the experience for my teammates.
For what I've seen, all road vehicles are used to transport resources, so it's just another logistics role. Becoming a pilot seems fun but you need a lot of practice with the controls.
So all I do is run around whatever group of players I find and try to spot people with the binoculars.
Also, nobody uses voicechat other than some russians yelling who knows what and some people who say "thank you" when you revive them. I've already played for more than 2 hours, but I'd refund it if I could.

>>580722608
Logi runs with blackhawks or urals, it gives around 300 support xp per pallet. Its not fast but its consistent. You won't recieve any for the armored box things, though

I don't really see the point of having this logistics role in a game which lasts like 1 hour. It's not like Foxhole where you have massive trenches set up and having more resources than the enemy can determine a fight.
It just seems like a pointless RPG element added so battledads can "chill out and drive a truck"

>>580723668
Logistics help make a better FOB at towers so you can defend when the hot zone stops on them, dummy.

>>580723874
You can just corner camp the fuck out of the structure

>>580722140
>>580723360
have you tried being american? unironically switch to american servers and play with actual chads alongside furry trannies who wont shut the fuck up.
>last game
>defending tower
>tranny: 'red is here red is here'
>upper half is covered, he's reloading
>shoot him twice in the dick with the mosin
>me: "i got him, shot him in the dick"
>other chad sniper: "i bet you know what that feels like huh haha" to the tranny

>>580723360
> I don't even know what the towers are for
If you control a tower, you can insert a code that activates it (if you know the other numbers) and that pulls the hotzone to it. Ideally, you'd wanna activate it on your team controlled tower so you rack up a lot of points
> I don't want to get the spawn vehicle because I don't know where to park it and I'm deeply afraid of fucking the experience for my teammates.
Don't worry, most of the players don't either. Just place it as the furthest edge of your team controlled CZ area. Don't put it inside a tower fob or similar. If you wanna make a shitty fob soley to house it, you can I guess.
> Becoming a pilot seems fun but you need a lot of practice with the controls
You don't, don't believe the people who say it's hard. I'm a noob and flying is so easy and forgiving, you can slam the bird on a tree and still recover it. The trick that nobody talks about flying isn't the actual flying. It's the landing, but more specifically WHERE to land. Your objective is to bring people to the zone alive. Find a large open area away from enemies and do a slow descent. J hooks are kinda wonky here and attack choppers suck until you unlock the havoc. AA sites can be a problem but once you unlock the blackhawk, you can tank one shot, so play around that and your flares.

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>>580724354
How the fuck do you know he was a tranny?
Did he announce this in VC or something?

>>580723668
Logi supplies the base, base builds a drill, the drill bring the hot zone to the base, the players defend the base and gets humongous amounts of points and wins.

Its not that complicated. I've seen frequently games go to the build-autist teams because even after pulling 70-80% progress of points, the doomsday machine is fully constructed and the team can chain-pull the hot zone to their death fortress and suck every single last point for the rest of the game with a near 66 control power from all the builders and then all their troopers now stuffed into the same fortified, well stocked space.

Until more people get tanks, the only answer for it is mortars, paratroopers and sappers. Notice I said "and", not "or".

>>580724598
it's his headcanon and this story never happened anon

hot take:
this game would be better without FOB bullshit.

Does team matter? Like do I pick one and I stay that forever or is it on a per game basis?

>>580724870
Its per game but some people claim blue has a far lower win % than the other colors

>>580725112
That's generally because players are being retards and filling red and green because "muh faction loyalty" or some shit and blue tends to be where stragglers get placed since green and red already filled up from those people.

If it remains a serious problem I think we'll see team/squad scramble or some shit; but since no team has any difference to them it might just even out on its own when people stop getting hung up over it.

>>580724664
What is this mechanic?
Like what sort of fun or intensity does this add to a shooter game?

>>580725539
and blue wear denim overalls in a green environment, at least red gets black

>>580724598
name was something to the effect of 'femboyname', I think the two knew each other so maybe it was bantz.

>>580721212
nah it works you just can't turn the wheel. on my machine at least. default binds

>>580725112
>outfits stand out more
>starting position causes them to be pinched from east and west, making simultaneous direct assaults on fobs much more difficult
>streamerfags rep green and red
>blue sucks is a holder from other milsims

>>580723360
>I've learned absolutely nothing.
That's on you, isn't it? Sounds to me like you just don't know what you want to do? Pick a role or a hybrid and dive in. If you want more people talking, you can join an open squad. Or ask in typed chat if you can join someone doing x role. If you are there in the warm-up fase when everyone is in spawn, just start talking. 9/10 I've gotten a response or gotten 3-4 people to join my squad. That's plenty to make shit happen with comms.
There are a lot of FOTM tourists right now with a bunch of mute autists for sure, but reaching out yourself tends to work.

>>580724354
While the comms are definitely better on NA, even with the best net connection you can buy, playing with a 100+ ping isn't ideal.

>>580722456
build an internet wall and make russia pay for it

>>580722456
>>580726703
The thing with Ruskis is that they go out of their way to play with non-Russians. Every game I've played which would seperate humans from Eastern-Europeans/Turks would end up with the EUW servers being flooded with orcs.

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>hll1 is fun but there are specific roles
>squad is not fun, fuck you
>arma is a sandbox, not a game
>hll2 vietnam is a downgrade
>in wardogs you can be ANYTHING

>>580726987
in wardogs you can be anything except anything useful

>>580726684
>That's on you, isn't it?
Oh, absolutely. While I think there are certain mechanics and concepts that need some more explaining in game, I was pretty naive about how the learning experience would be. Didn't mean that as a critique on the game itself.
>you can join an open squad
I've watched youtube videos recommending to do that if you're playing solo, but every time I've checked all squads were locked. To be fair, I tend to check them once per round and completely forget about them afterwards.

When I look at my steam friends list and see who play this game it's all the PUBG/Tarkov lootrats

>>580727639
shooter game players are playing the newest shooter game? what THE FUCK nigga???? say it aint so!

>>580725539
weird, I would have thought blue would be the most popular.

probably the first shooter in a while where i don't get killed by zoomzoom mechanics, just some camping faggot

and honestly, that's refreshing

>>580728149
Shooter game players are usually people who like to engage in shoot-outs rather than avoid them at all cost

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Okay, time to start practicing video compression again and teach you guys some shit while I do, apologies for the quality, dialing in webm.

In this clip, I show you how to quick build. I start off just holding my mouse down. Not to show the actual progress but the speed of it, it takes a WHILE between hits.
But, if you release, and re-click when the hitspark shows during building, you're able to significantly increase the speed of building. It works for ALL hammer sizes, and the small hammer is actually the most consistent, but obviously large hammer is really the only one worth using in any meaningful capacity.

I use this quick building to get SAMs set up on tower roofs well before anyone's established or snipers have set up, works p good.

>Lose our well fortified fob because one retard leaves all doors open.
This shit needs to be bannable

>>580728338
can you also do a guide on how to walk forwards and backwards? And maybe other topics featured in the tutorial such as shooting?

>>580728470
I see plenty of retards I added here holding down the button instead of clicking.

>>580728456
Doors autoclose in 30 seconds, gates don't. If your fob isn't behind a second layer of walls with a door or two then it isn't well-fortified

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genuinely how the fuck do you win when you have like 5 people in your team playing the game

>>580728743
truck- and birdniggers are the bane of this game

>>580728743
uhhhh logistics win wars, CHUD

>>580728743
spam rigs, hold hz.

>>580728337
skill issue

>>580728827
>nobody in your team has 3 team hammer unlocked so they just get shelled out of existence
>somebody left the gate open / somebody with a brain on the other team brought an IED and three people wipe 15 fobniggers
>for the rest of the game they will keep going up the stairs and dying

>>580728743
if everyone is playing fob the builder go to the fob and build a drill. now your entire team is in the HZ and you win

>>580729081
everyone is playing "get killed by mortars"

>>580729175
Sounds like a (You) problem

>>580720172
Playerbase is going to plummet in a month because that's when they are wiping progression.

>>580729175
go kill the mortars

>>580729015
If you have THREE truck drivers for 1 FOB and no one has a big hammer and it's time to switch teams or leave because none of those loggers are actually paying attention to what the team needs

>>580723418
And logistics is just building material and ammo? is the fuel and repair even used in a fob?

>>580731321
Fuel is for the drill, which wins games. If there is a drill fob fuel isbthe most important resource and you should constantly bring it.
Mechanical supplies are for repairing vehicles and launching drones. Drones are the hard counter to artillery.

Both of these supplies are also used to refuel/repair vehicles in the field, so when tanks become more common they will use fobs for that.

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Am I crazy or does this game look really bad too? It's like I'm playing PUBG again.

>>580726987
I wish to be the little girl

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is this true?

>>580731948
Depends on whether you ask level headed people or rabid fanboys

>>580732060
level headed people please, the game isn't 10$, its 40$+

>>580731736
Guess I'm not far enough to have seen drones. Still only like 10hours in the game.

I'll keep a better look for the drills and refuel, thanks.

I just realized that when you claim APC at the spawn, it is yours if you make it to the zone and i've been driving around and making money for some faggot who left it unprotected at a stronghold so artillery/mortals can take it out

retarded game

>>580732262
It's a rough unpolished Battlefield x PUBG x Tarkov kind of game.
If you just want all out warfare you're going to be terribly disappointed.

>>580731948
none of this are the actual problems. the problem is is the cash system. i can't be bothered to do it. i want to play fps, not build shit and play logistics. i'm happy that these players can do that if they want, but as someone that tries to push the point and raid fobs i actively get punished for doing this and can't make a fraction of the cash these builders and logistics guys make. this game is zoomer shit, i just want to fucking play an fps without none of this grindy progression shit. i don't want to deal with rat players who sit behind a wall all game listening for you then popping you either

Put in a refund after 3 hours. Hopefully Steam grants it.

it's moreso a sandbox shooter

>>580732927
>progression is zoomer shit
>wants to play fast zoom zoom shooter where you just run and shoot
Just play cod. The game has a lot of issues, but it's obvious you just don't like the genre

>>580727538
The tutorial isn't great for sure, but it's not super daunting to grasp the basics. Seems like most people who are struggling are mostly having trouble with loadouts and picking a lane. Which is admittedly too brutal early on with limited options, depending on what role you pick. As for squads, just asking for a spot often works, and if not, just make one yourself and leave it open. People willing to communicate and make shit happen will join, especially if you let them know in chat. Like I said, it takes some reaching out yourself for now. Things will likely improve when the FOTM wears off.

>>580724790
Or, keep it more in line with Arma 3's KOTH, so towers aren't capturable and can't be built in/around...And the only objective is to sit on the zone/hotzone to gain points. But FOB's could be built anywhere else maybe? I dunno, it seems like the current loop is just build a super-FOB on every tower. I haven't even seen a FOB placed somewhere OTHER than a tower.

>>580713712
the smaller chopper is easier to handle start with that
the 13 seater is a bitch that needs to be whipped

>>580732834
>>580732927
thanks, would have given it a shot but I'm worried steam is gonna cuck me out of the refund, I'll pass on this

>>580733316
kiddo, cod has progression, not the last cod i played which was cod2 for pc, 22 years ago. kill yourself. warslop is zoomer garbage and will be dead in a month. milsim faggots and cawadoody players are the same kind of faggot

>>580733480
okay? then gtfo, no one is interested in your posts or opinions

>>580733459
good choice. the game has all these systems that don't work together well and it really is the rich get richer sort of thing. it will get exponentially worse as these people who play 14 hours per day unlock things you genuinely can't counter unless you put in a hundred hours and unlock the stuff. once they get that those things good luck even getting enough experience to unlock the counters. this game is really the developers taking a bunch of stuff from other games then throwing it together without any real design on how they work together

>>580733848
how about you go to back to reddít, zoomer

>>580732927
You have 1000 other games that do just that. I agree that logistics faggots make too much or infantry makes too little but how about you tell us how would you keep the strategic and slow gameplay while removing the economy?

to me it seems like you are just a faggot who doesnt understand that not all games are meant just for him

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>love me some revolvers
>try the game's revolver at the firing range
>no speed loader
>each manual load shakes the screen

>>580733480
So, you only like low attention spam shooters where there's no difference between enemy players and bots and you just run and shoot. There are plenty on single olayer shooters out there, why on earth would you waste your time on this game when it was abvious you wouldn't like it?

what do the logistics actually contribute to the game?

>Near constant praise between mortar, base builders, logistics players
>no one really talking about anything regarding active combat

Hmmmm

>>580734319
you can build massive bases with mortars, aa and drills
the drills let you use fuel to pull the zone to its location

>>580734401
There isn't a lot of action. The map is 99.9% empty

>>580734401
They gotta increase logi truck hunting payouts it’s utterly useless

>>580734508
play COD

>>580734145
this game is for no one except streamers and the unemployed. needing a progression system to have fun is zoomer bullshit and it's why most people will quit once they see the bullshit

>>580734401
Me and friend actually tried active hot zone combat last night after he was a heli pilot and I was a base builder

Actually aids near constantly getting third partied by the last place team, running into campers in bum fuck no where just farming, constantly getting shots whizzed past from 500m tower sniper

>>580734596
What's the point of making a fuckhuge map only to not utilize 90% of the surface?

>>580734596
On the contrary you can jump shot rather easily and “parkour” on more items than you think. I keep breaking into fobs like this

>>580734716
>I need access to everything at any time
You're the kind of player who made microtransactions the norm in the industry.

>>580734145
>logistics makes too much
>infantry makes too little
???????????????????????????????????
You make upwards of 4k per kill in the hot zone, literally the whole point of infantry. I've made 100k in under 5 minutes just following it, it's INCREDIBLY easy to make money as infantry compared to having to fucking do transport or logi. Building is a little easier, you can make like 10k just by building a drill.

>>580734716
No, it's for a worse type of player. It's for the looter shooter/extraction shooter type who puts in 80 hours in 2 weeks despite having some IT job

>trying to fly helicopter
>laggy ass game cant figure out if I depressed my roll key
>crash copter at no fault of my own
>spawn another
>fill up to the tits with passengers
>same exact fucking nigger issue occurs
>balance wiped from teamkills at no fault of my own
This is the only game I've seen that doesnt know what to do with inputs during and after desync.
Every fucking time I get a sticky key issue, I have to figure out which key it is and press it otherwise I just cant play the game for the next few hours as I grind up my funds YET AGAIN

>>580734906
the point is to punish you for dying like a retard by wasting your time

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>look up the sweatiest guy I know
>he's already 35 hours deep into a game which dropped 2 days ago

>>580734401
i'll help. it's trash! spotting is completely overpowered, you have these guys spotting everyone that lights you up on the map for 30 seconds and can constantly be reapplied so what happens is people just hide behind cover, wait for you to get spotted then pop out and blast you. wait until people start unlocking attack helicopters when no one has counters for them lmao! footsteps are also way too loud which leads to the same thing of people just hiding and popping out. people can communicate after they're dead so if you raid a fob, dead people are all shouting your location. the gun play is even worse, smgs dominate, the basic sniper takes literally 3 shots to the head to kill on basic armor. the game is just slow and by that i mean all actions are delayed, for example if you go to prone there's a delay on aiming your gun and firing, same as when you get up. despite these dorks in this thread the best way to play is running and gunning with an smg

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Shit's pretty banging when you have like 4 guys in a convoy on M249 SUVs. Feels like a movie when you're covering for your infantry guys.

>>580735503
>the game is just slow and by that i mean all actions are delayed, for example if you go to prone there's a delay on aiming your gun and firing, same as when you get up
uhhhhh this just encourages a slow paced tactical playstyle. Imagine moving around like a retard when you can be in the corner waiting for some poor sod to make a move and kill him

>>580732927
bro you get like 2500$ a kill. if you're actually an fps gamer raiding FOBs you make fucktons of cash. skill issue

>>580696913
well I guess mission accomplished since I haven't picked up binos since picking up sks, and now I'm at mosin
>range finding
don't need it. I've played enough with bulletdrop that I can eyeball it reliably.

>>580734945
kid, what the fuck are you talking about? the fps games i grew up on were return to castle wolfenstein, call of duty united offensive and soldier of fortune, planetside (not "planetside" 2) and counter strike. none of those games had any of that shit. you can't beat my argument so you're failing desperately trying to slander me with bullshit you made up in your head instead of admitting i'm right

>>580734906
You can but it wont get you points.
You're supposed to get creative with it to fuck with the enemy and force them to deal with you.
Like if you make a SAM site along the flight route of helicopters or driving down their logi routes to kill urals

usually i play really quick comp shooters but my 42 hours (+ beta time) in this game has just had me turn my brain off to drive trucks. it's some sort of brainrot, maybe

>>580733343
really? i see fobs everywhere. tower fobs are dogshit, they just get mortared to oblivion. wait until more people unlock the sledgehammer and any fob that's seeable from the sky will cease to exist. it's day 3, give the morons some time to learn the game

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>game routes you into the bad ending

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>>580735479
Damn I'm only at 25h, I need to shape up
also just how fucking bad is average gamer these days if less than 10% have ever managed to get 100k in one life?

>>580735670
wrong, i was raiding a fob the other night, went on an 8 kill streak and was only able to make back what i spent and enough to buy my same kit, which cost ~6500. the funniest part about it is that it didn't actually matter. the "dead" people were giving away my location every time and they just got revived anyway

>>580734401
>people are talking about the parts of the game that make it different from other games
wow who would have thought

>>580736138
complete lie, it's impossible to get 8 kills and make less than $6500. shut the fuck up you don't even play the game lmao probably some paid EA indian judging by how you write

Man imagine being one of those people defending this shithole game like their lives depend on it then a month later you look around you and there's like 3k players left lol

>>580736350
do you not know how to read, you brown zoomer shit head?

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>>580736075
out of a million people who have launched the game, the odds that 10% of the people who own the game have even played out a full match is basically nil.
pic related. 0.5% of people with a kill near 1km is hilariously low.
>less than 2% have top earner
that means less than 30,000 people have gotten it, you think only 30,000 matches have been played? Or that 30,000 people are in control of the top of the leaderboard every time?

>>580735748
>I really don't like shooters like arma, battlefield or cod
>instead of playing games that I like, I'll complain about these games and the poeple who like them online
>every game should appeal to me and my low attention spam
You insist on being a grown man, maybe it's time to act like one

How do I become a builderchad?

>>580736571
>i got 8 kills and barely made back $6500
yeah you don't play the game pajeet

>>580736669
Suck major cocks at shooting other people in a shooter game to the point you desperately look for other ways of being usefull

>>580736694
you're genuinely 80 iq

what are you niggers talking about
i play mostly infantry, my kit costs about 12k and i have about 600k total at this point
its extremely easy to make money

Since this game is the ultimate Battlefield destroyer surely it dropped with more maps than BF6?

>>580736669
learn how to build fast.
Use fucking CONCRETE, NOT HESCO
HESCO TAKES 2 SECONDS TO DISMANTLE OR BLOW UP WITH LITERALLY ANYTHING.
Build weapons. As soon as you get rough walls set up, build a mortar, any fob emplacement gets some resources in all categories (like 100~, so enough for a few shots)
Then fire at the ENEMY emplacements, if your team is marking right you'll get bearings on them and can tweak.

Don't just build random garbage because it wastes your resources.
Build drill rigs, leave them at 95~% completion, as soon as you finish building them, they have a 10s cooldown then can be turned on, so you can keep the HZ almost permanently on top of your HZ, but it's costly for both fuel and build mats.
Each drill rig you build, solo, is like almost $10k in profit from builds.

man, FOBs really make or break this game. people should have to pass an IQ test before getting to build one

>>580736594
oh i did like battlefield before console bad company ruined the series. you kids ruin games because you just have to suck the cock of these trash developers and you need a progression system because you don't know how to have fun without it

the reason i bought the game was of how open it was so you could do stuff like ambush logistics and set up road blocks, but everything else is so completely trash

>>580737052
small hammer shouldn't be able to build, only contribute, medium hammer should only have walls, no gates or doors, large should be like level 15 support requirement and be the gate for barbed wire. The amount of times stupid faggots build crams or sams in the middle of an open field surrounded by snipers and waste 2k build mats is fucking infuriating.
At least I can take out my frustrations by constantly spawning then jumping into their barbed wire, did it so much a guy ragequit earlier.

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>lucky to get the apc
>teammate says he wants it
>lmao no
>he gets in anyway, keeps saying it's his
>jumps out and shoots at me

>>580737202
okay keep crying then i guess

>>580737428
whoever gets it into the zone gets the exp, he has no way of doing anything to you if you get in driver seat, laugh at him and get your bag.

>>580736918
>brown fingers typed this post

>>580737428
>>580731808
This shit looks like a mobile phone game, what the fuck is this?

>>580737240
> The amount of times stupid faggots build crams or sams in the middle of an open field surrounded by snipers and waste 2k build mats is fucking infuriating.
the bigger problem is retards building "one big wall" FOBs. aka: coffins
and then the other retards on the team constantly go back there to try and take the coffin back... and die again

>>580737653
UE5 slop.

>>580737660
I mean, if we want to talk meta, I think what it will evolve to is:
>Make fob
>install drill rig with 1 palett fuel 1 build
>pop it, let team coalesce
>respawn and get another ural and fob and fuel/build palett
>create new fob in arcing trajectory nearest your HQ to always keep it accessible
I ran it with a crew of 10 people, and it worked well besides the retards who kept trying to capture the other towers for no reason at all since HZ was always on top of us.
The worst part is the boring fucking drive in the ural.
I think we see coordinated groups doing something like that pretty regularly. Even if they mortar the drill, you should be nearing the cz with a new kit and ready to pull it once again.

>>580737892
based. the game is dead in a month. two months tops.

>>580736051
I wish they had 4 factions so being blue wouldn't fuck you as much