>What is WoW Forever?Set in the same Azeroth but expanded upon with new zones, dungeons, raids, quests and much more.>New Race SkyborneSkyborne are available for Horde and Alliance but are not the same Skyborne. There was a cultural shift prior and now different Skyborne are aligned with the different factions. Horde Skyborne get Shaman, Alliance get Mages>Many new race/class combos including Undead Paladin and Dwarf Shaman>More than 1k quests added making a 25% increase in quest content alonehttps://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#editions>When is it being released?Release date November 4th>Will there be a beta?Yes you can opt in at https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/forever#blz-optin-1
It's over.
Anyone else exited to make their new Skyborne character?
It's back.
>no draeneis>no panda>no femgobsRETVRN TO TRADITION
>>580769579Nope
You think you do, but you don't finally came true
>>580769579nah gonna be undead like always
>>580769579I'll make one if I decide to go druid.
retail minus
TLDR on "Classic+" >89,99$ deluxe pre order package>Shop mount>Shop pets>Shop transmog set>horde paladin>alliance shaman>Achievements>retail graphics>retail movement animations>retail casting animations>Dungeon finder>Transmog>4 Pets from deluxe pre order package>pay2win skyborne locked behind 25$>Cash shop>WoW Token>retail racials imported in, human free pvp trinket etc
how many generals is wow gonna have at this point?
Sky elves are reserved for the white man, browns and bots need not apply.
no draenei body type 2 is a fucking scam. rest looks alright/pretty good
>/wowfg/total niller death, its over nillers.
Whats this about a dungeon finder?
>>580769684>not-blood elvesit's doa, 'fraid so mhm!
Will shamans get a tanking spec?
>no racial customization I can’t have troll beards fucking never ever I guess bro wtf
This looks like the most monkey paw'd product Blizzard have ever produced, which says a fucking lot, and I'm embarrassed for you.You get what you deserve.
>>580769684Do I play a femhumie or nelfie...
I hope this Forever shit dies fast.We have WoW Retail, Classic, Classic but with Pandaria, Hardcore.We really need another one to divide the dying player base even more?
>already giving up on classicthat's an OOF, followed by a YIKES
wowfg looks too much like wowfag...
>less than 10k views on the trailer an hour inwhat went wrong?
>>580769779>wants to pay for the blood elf model with blue paintbucket tool>wants to pretend this makes him le heckin ayran sigma chad BVLL
>>580769363you're going to piss the moderation off and be forced to post with the furfags in gee if you keep this up, just filter those morons man
someone please post WOYER talents BRO
I'm having fun playing the beta.
>>580769779thirdies getting filtered from skyborne. based blizzard thank you. I will NOT RMT with you chang
I bought...
>>580769756Jesus christ thats grim, how did they manage to fuck it up so badly?
>9 new dungeonsAre old dungeons still in? Did they say anything specific? Seems like old raids like MC are gone.
>>580769976>brownoid sharty shityou proved him completely right btw
>>580769759until we have our own board
>>580769779im paying for beta access and never playing sky elves or using thr transmogs
>>580769756>if i keep repeating it it will become truedoomtrannies are so pathetic lmao
affliction 40 talent will be another dot
>>580770015most of that is embellished or explicitly not true. thirdie doomer
I was so hopeful.I saw the cinematic, and I thought that this might finally be it.>>580769756But then I find out all of this.Fuck this company.
>>580769756don't forget>retail menus>forced retail character portrait and inspect window>all professions menus and settings from retail>TWO shop mounts>Shop tabard
retail jeets are seething spreading concern troll stuff to save their game.
>>580770110Yes good goy eat the slop. What a big chad you are! Who's a big aryan chad? You are! Yes you are!
Can we change the skin color on the sky elves?
So I guess classic is going into maintenance mode with vanilla to wrath loop forever like that old chart leak?
>>580769579i'm excited to gank them and never invite them to my dungeon groups
its still gonna be kino for at least 1 monthat least
>>580770278ya
WHERE DO I CHECK TALENTS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>580769579yes can't wait to roll horde
>>580769756no wow tokens tho you made that up
>>580769756I'm already interested in the game, anon. You can stop shilling it now.
>>580770143having a /wow/ board would make sense at this point
I really wanted to like this so bad but I just can’t. It’s some horrible amalgamation of retail and classic. Maybe tomorrow will change my mind but I doubt it.
>taurens get plainswalkingKEK
>>580770278yeah bunch of toggles shownCREATOR SHOWCASE 3:30 PM PST MAKE SURE TO TUNE IN. LESS THAN 2 HOURS
>>580769756its actually even WORSE than that, theres TWO shop mounts instead of just one >*In-game items available to use in both Modern WoW® and WoW®: Forever.
>>580769913>implying the 13k boomer dads matter>implying the entire tbc crowd isn't moving to thisyou lost niller
stormstrike at 30 and lavaburst at 40
If anyone is playing the beta right now, do a /spit and report results if it's a thing or not.
>>580769973Only the most dysgenic retards still care about whatever garbage blizzard will churn out again, think about it
>>580770568u r in the general thread for the third churning
>>580769989is that an extra bag slot?
>stacks to 30 stacks of 30% move speed as you movethis is nuts
WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WARLOCK TALENTS
>all worst parts of retail>with some of the bad parts of vanillathey truly listenedwow is saved
>>580770475who gives a FUCK about MOUNTS you fucking TRANNY
>>580770708sovl
>>580769579I'm having a blast!
WoW Forever:>No maze+maze rats btfo>No mythic raidsGood. If you want to spend 6 months to kill a boss once go to retail.>Revamped talent trees all of which look goodGood.>New zones, dungeons and raidsGood.>Transmog can be toggled off for the sensitive nilla boomersWho cares what boomers think? Fuck them.>Skyborne locked behind a paywallThe only bad thing about the announcement>WoW tokenWould say this is shit but seeing the state of the toilet crusade and Era it can't possibly get worse than that so I'll take it as a small lossGonna enjoy my skyborne female balance druid. Boomers can cope and seethe.
new mage talents look pretty good. arcane definitely overtuned though xaryu doing 100 dps at level 38
>>580769913>classic>classic pandarialiterally dead>hardcoreniche community that makes no differencePretty much just retail and forever now with classic servers existing on the side.
>>580770425same, I was ready to be a good little goy and compromise but this just looks entirely unappealing... maybe the gameplay will be good...
>>580770723affli gets another dot
>>580770790>shop mounts are actually okay now!toilet moment
>>580769641The visual theme of this is delightfully tragic but it's one of those things that appeal to maybe 8 people.
>>580770708hell yeah gonna be a tauren now
RET PALADINS RUN THIS GENERAL AND THIS GAME
>>580770389Not yet.
>>580770475I really can't stand those updated race icons from BfA, they're such dogshit
i hope they address gold economy/boosting/botting in the panel tommorow. if they do and have plans to fight it better than they have had so far im buying the collectors edition.
>>580770181it's another channeled dot actually
>all the content creators trying to hold it in
>>580770708game breaking in wsg.
>>580770876>I do NOT want mounts in my classic>chang selling boosts is alright in my book thoKys nilloid
>>580770708gimme class list for tauren
>Riptide for restro shamans
>>5807707082.5 minute windup time seems slow but if it was any faster it would instantly become a problem in WSG.
>>580769756>89,99$ deluxe pre order packageoptional, game is sub only (unless you want to play gay elves)>shop itemsnobody cares>horde paladin, alliance shamanthis sucks tru>Achievements k>retail graphicstoggleable non issue>retail animationswrong they are vanilla>transmogtoggleable non issue>pets from deluxe packagenobody cares>cash shopnobody cares>wow tokenoh no what about the gold sellersstill gonna play it
>>580771039you lose all stacks on taking damage and it ramps up a bit slow. this is more of a questing or while gathering proffesions before you get a mount convinience.
>>580770967>i hope they address gold economy/boosting/botting in the panel tommorow.they won't say anything on botting except "we are gonna keep preventing it"
DWARF SHAMAN!!! YEAH!!!
>>580770967>i hope they address gold economy/boosting/botting in the panel tommorow.LOLThey will add a WoW token and a level boost for you to pay THEM before they do any moderation of their own game. Pay up piggy.
Imagine tomorrow they announce they'll have actual GMs in-game.
>>580771091just passively moving faster than everyone else even a few % is busted in world pvp
>>580771124>Game is shit>"Don't care. Still gonna slurp it."Whatever fag
>>580771078guess I'm going shaman again
holly wonshe fucking won
>>580769989show talents
Transmog on or off?
>>580771149tbf they dont need to have a special thing for bots, just to make changes to how we obtain consumables like in sod where everything was so easy and cheap to get that it made buying gold much less needed.>>580771209what are you, poor? want me to start you a gofundme?
>>580771124>I'm a good rapeslave, look how much I can get raped and enjoy itThat's not a good thing anon
>>580770708I remember that from before launch. The original reason I made a tauren
>>580771078Damn, which ally races got shaman in this? Horde obviously has some good shammy races
Any word on what changes Paladin will be getting for Forever? I assume taunt + crusader strike.
I am going to have so much fun discriminating against blue paypig elves. Blue elf campsite eagerly waiting for me to help build? Hard pass. Blue elf dying to a rare? Let it kill them then take the rare. Blue elf with pvp enable anywhere near me? Skinned alive. Never invite them to groups, never even reply or talk to them. Just one big game of silent treatment & selective assault/murder. I am getting giddy thinking about it fucking knife ear faggots kek
anyone else get major dragonflight disney vibes from the trailer? not surprising since it was made by the same people
>>580771393Dorfs
I legitimately don't understand the point. Is it not just vanilla but the retail devs added retail content? Is there some sort of horizontal progression being added? Will we not just get massive tier inflation?
>>580771142run along the sides, if you avoid combat then you'll be at 30% movement speed and all you need is a priest to psychic scream to clear the room for you. it's on tauren so you can probably stealth on druid if need be to get through mid. actually, does it stack with cheetah form because holy fuck if so.
>>580769579Yeah I'm gonna be blue
>>580771427the sky wisp thing was really fucking gay and similar to that dragonflight reveal trailer
>>580769989cool now post the uncropped streamer screengrab
>>580771416saw on stream paladins get a holy strike (instant attack that is holy damage) a seal that functions as a taunt when judged and small shield effect. consecrate is baselineour xarGAWD is starting a woyer char rn GET IN HEREhttps://www.twitch.tv/xaryuhttps://www.twitch.tv/xaryuhttps://www.twitch.tv/xaryu
BLUE RET PALADINS
orc new racials where
>>580771436Just dorfs? Kinda weird if horde has 3 races for shaman. Don't horde get multiple paladins too? shiiiiet
>>580769579Yep.Sky Elf Male Arcane Mage for me.With a dark moustache.
I QUIT RETAIL No more M+ sweat, no more 17 addons, no more seasonal FOMO. Clocked out of the Retail Gulag and walked straight into CLASSIC FOREVER Why play the game that keeps getting replaced when I can play the game that FOREVER STAYS GOATED CLASSIC ANDY REBORN
>>580769989>I'm having fun defeating nonthreatening enemies like in Retail
PENANCE FOR PRIESTS
>>580771513what about the bear frolicking around and acting like a heckin pupperino?
where are the racial bonuses for other classes
>>580771513It's not gay. It's esoteric. I liked it.
warrior pvp KINO>get speared and dismounted FAGGOT>NOW FIGHT ME YOU PUSSY
HOLY FUCKING SHIT GET IN HERE NEW SKILLS WITH FLAVORPLOOS CHADS IT'S HAPPENING
>>580771682that too but i didn't want to look too obsessed and pedantic
>>580771614This but unironically
humans lose perception gain stun removalorcs lose stun resist gain stun reduction
Daily reminder you shit loving faggots are the ONLY reason Blizzard became what it is todayI hate every single one of you
warlock changes are lame and gay>m-muh critting dotsnot enough to make them worth casting
>>580771475So what exactly are legacies? Profession talents? Wowhead hasn't said shit about those.
holy priest gets PoM
>>580771743massive for world pvp without flying mounts
>"new" dungeon island is literally just zul farak with grass ground textureoooooofffffffffffffffffffffffff people gonna start regretting not playing more sod
>>580771743This is LITEARLLY straight from turtle wow lmao. fucking awesome lol
are there any other streamers who are looking at palas right now instead of esfand? THE GUY IS A RETARD and keeps flopping about not playing the game
>>580771815buffs for alts
>>580771647he's level 2
>>580771780I actually want to see prot paladin and moonkin talents.
>>580771810yeah it is, no debuff limit
I liked most of the announcement, but really not a fan of those elves. It's really bringing down my excitement for the game.
holy shit all the class changes look dope, im gonna have so many alts...its over for my life bro im gonna spend 6 months leveling a bunch of alts to fuck around with.
>>580771807shouldn't you be farming consumes for your weekly naxx run?
>>580771960Except you don't need to use a shitty polearm to use it
Shadowmeld now is a fade 2
>horde gets an additional shaman race>alliance doesn't get an additional paladin raceBut why?
That's nice chuddie.Still playing 5everStill going to have a blast with friendsDie bitter and lonely
>>580769756My wives boyfriend will be so excited to play this!
>>580772074we tomlinsonposting now
>>580771807chang go buy some boosts from the indos
>>580769756They did not say that they will have dungeon finder.They specifically emphasized the focus of being social and mentioned Dungeon Entrances.
>>580772034I just can't believe how shamelessly they are ripping turtle lol, I never would have thought blizz could be that spicy. Genuinely cool to see them spit in the eye of private servers like that lmao.
nothing interesting for the shadow priest it seems
>two names>can make titles for yourself>Chud anon>based anon>troon slayer>juice haterthe possibilities are endless
>>580769756>TL;DR [lengthy greentext]TL;DR
>>580772206It's not like turtle didn't take stuff from tbc, wrath or even cata
>>580772260its retail from temu
>>580772260TL;DR>game shit
>>580772214higger nater hehehehehe
>>580772290yeah that's my point, they are stealing from thieves, way more based than I thought they had in them.
>>580772331I just want new content that isn't hardI'm too old and my fingers hurt too much to do retail raids and M+
>>580772391>nate higgers>kate hikes:DDD
>>580772260you've never seen length in your life
NEW ASSASSIN ROG ABILITIESMUTILATE ALSO CONFIRMED
How hard did Microsoft buttfuck them to get them off their asses and making shit that's actually cool?Some slop is unavoidable; but it seems drastically reduced from what it could have been. Cautiously optimistic atm
>>580772508this is literally a shittier envenom lmao
>>580772508lmfao isn't this from turtle too??
Everything but the blue elves looks pretty good. I REALLY fucking hate the blue elves. Literally the last thing I, and most others, could ever want out of classic ploos.
>>580772207It's hilarious that neither Blizz nor pservers can ever make this spec fun to play, despite how cool of a theme it has. At least let me cosplay as this void whore
>>580772508>you now have to juggle SnD and Venom maintenanceYIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKES
>basically retail without the mechanics boomers can't keep up withLMAO
>>580772508rogues can use axes confirmed as well
can someone put all the talent shit onto an image or something i dont want to watch retarded streamers
man i hope they have crit instapyro mage spec
>>580772391>>580772493as soon as i see these i'll be reporting your character and getting your account banned :)
>>580772638you can make them any skin color.
>>580772653You say that like it's a bad thing and not exactly what us boomers want
hunter can skill lone wolf
>>580772729ok higger hike.
>>580770036Old raids are gone but they're going to be reintroduced in updated ways, old dungeons are in they mentioned mara and rfk specifically
>>580772638I would have preferred stock high elves/blood elves but whatever, I don't really give a fuck. It amounts to the same thing ultimately.
>>580772649legion spriest with surrender to madness was kino
You just know that several months in they're bringing new races in: pandaren, vulperas, and worgens are all making an appearance
>>580772638I felt a bit better seeing blue elves were for paypigs only, I will feel no shame actively discriminating against them.
>>580772653so a game I can recommend to new people? sure as fuck wouldn't ever tell them to play retail.
>>580769363CoA died for this shit.
>>580772752that sound like a horrible idea in classic
>could just give high elf and blood elf>made up blue elves from the skywhy? is it because people would bitch too much about paid blood elf? just sell beta + 3 mounts instead and people would slurp it up the same
>>580772841Now that they're charging for races they have financial incentive to periodically add new races.
Ayo homies we da sky elves n shiet we always been up here u just never noticed :^)
>>580772841Fucking Ogre if the community actually votes no OGRES then its over
i'll wait till all the new stuff is on a websitecan't be bothered watching a streamer give his shitty opinion while going over stuff
>>580772884go to your dead pserver thread thirdie
>>580772841Can't wait for wow forever classic
dagger pvp burst hooooly
Will sky belfs be the futa race since no draenei?
>>580772884what's wrong bro you don't like your blue high elves (original creation do not steal)?
>asmon hates wow foreverIt's fucking over
>>580772884Good riddance
I guess I'll play a skelf shaman. Very disappointed ele has lava burst instead of being like TBC
>>580772651>>580772578wordat least envenom in wrath increased poison damage for * seconds and reapplied snd
>>580772927Two races mean two starting zones. One race means only a single starting zone.
I'm a little disappointed because I wanted playable Goblinsand Draenei
>>580772884>CoAhowtospotathirdie.png
>>580773021shut up faggot retardcut your fucking throat
>>580772954Theyre adding voting?
>>580772638Mostly my feeling too. If they seriously had to add elves I'd have swallowed that pill much easier if they used high/blood elves for both factions instead. Since they at the very fucking least existed as npcs in vanilla and were well established prior to wow. They easily could have made them available to alliance and horde with almost no lore handwaving (by vanilla wow standards). It would have even made more sense than the forsaken joining the horde. Hell they pretty much used the tbc blood elf model anyway! They just slapped a bunch of asspull on top of it for no reason.I'd need to see all the talents and more finer details to judge the actual vanilla+ stuff, but blue elves for fucks sake blizzard.
>>580773073the whole thing is quite disappointing so far but hey maybe they can build something cool later
>>580772115enjoy prison, stalkerchild
>>580772927I bet it's probably a lore thing. They probably want to do something with the high/blood elves in some new piece of content later since their lands are a big part of the eastern kingdoms. They wouldn't be able to use the TBC lore for horde blood elves regardless, so they would have had to invent some new shit either way.
>>580772752well that kind of kills it for me then, I hate being forced in to lone wolf just to get invited to raids, classic hunter was always comfy because of your pet and the focus on a single pet not the modern hunter that's either throwing them out like pokemon or no pet only
>>580773032AsMONG
>>580772927Why? Because they're charging you extra for them and selling you an old retail race like BE will not be as tolerated
>>580772964>>580773041>>580773084Hope Holly sees this saars
>>580772985this is my favorite talent on retail for real, it makes rogue so fun
Unless they announce they're taking massive steps against botting I don't think I'm gonna play at all sadly
>>580773021futrannies can fuck off to retail and stay in retail
>>580769579I'm actuality excited to make a guild that excludes them
>>580773073are they fucking erasing draenei in this new timeline and replacing them with blue elves?lame and gay
>>580773140No that faggot is delusional, people have been begging for osrs style voting for a long time and blizzard has never acknowledged it
did we win
>Heres your Classic+ bro>OC donut steel elf race>Neutral (its neutral if its playable by both factions fuck off)>Alliance Shamans Horde Paladins>FORSAKEN PALADINS>Modern graphics>TransmogLMAOTURTLE WONASCENSION WONFUCK LIZZARDActual garbage company
I hate thissee you all in the pre-order beta next week
>>580773259blizzard literally mocked it showing the xaryu clip>lol guys nobody knows what they want!!
>>580773072something something new elf meet up where they discussing if they join horde or alliance, they fight and go separe aways EXACTLY like the new skyelf retarded but not BLUE and from the SKYit literally feels like its made by some 14 year old bisexual boy from tumblr
>>580773276>tinker confirmedyes
the tauren racial is really meta, probably better than shadowmeld
Other than the sky elves which I get from a shareholder financial situation this is literally everything I could have asked for desuTill nu blizz fuck it up that is
>>580773231Space goats should be introduced as nonplayable until 10 years from now
>>580772927It's so they can use quel'thalas as one of the extra zones.
>>580773281betas are the biggest waste of time, your doing free work and advertising for blizzard.
>>580773280>TURTLE WON>ASCENSION WONBut did pochie won?
total schizo doomer death. >do not engage with doomers>do not read doomer postswe are gonna have fun, enjoy the game, and if it stops being fun we will unsub. get fucked retards.
>>580773280It's arguably not neutral because they have a faction restricted class. You can't play an Alliance Shaman Skyborne
Weirdly enough the thing that bothers me the most is that there is a 40 man raid. Who asked for this?
>>580773382Why not just give us High Elves then and give Horde goblins
>>580773194>No I'm not the thirdie you are bloody!!!actual indian behavior
>>580773281this kek. all you dumb niggers calling this shit so you can fit in here have already bought the $60 version for the beta.
>>580773426Based
>>580773382Imagine being this flavor of bootlicker.Literally the first lemming down the slippery slope.
>>580773426yep
>>580773426i'm gonna play and enjoy it but sky elves are fucking gay and stupid and you can't convince me otherwise
>>580773356Does it fully stack with travel form and aspect of the cheetah?Tauren druids and hunters will be going mount speed super early
>>580773462As long as they stay 1 boss raids like Ony
>>580773231Technically draenei can still appear in future patch? They probably won't but Exodar should be floating around the cosmos during classic+.
>>580773326I mean polls would show what players want pretty clearly, however I don't have any faith that blizzard will add them or that the community wouldn't just immediately ruin the game by begging for M+ or some shit
>>580773462it's only ony so far which is one of the easiest raids of all time
>>580773472Why not shut up
>>580773460Still the same raceStill the same modelsThey still clash with how the Horde lookGarbage neutral race
>>580773567but you get free slow fall to minmax jumping from cliffs :)
Remember when the going cope was that the deluxe pre order ultimate hero mounts and cheevos were going to only be redeemable in retail? But I guess now the goalpost of cope will shift to shop item being actually either good or not a big deal.
>Totems still party wideYou WILL be recruiting one shaman per group to make your raiders happy, right?
>>580773472Shortage of capable devs
>>580773702>Remember when the going cope was that the deluxe pre order ultimate hero mounts and cheevos were going to only be redeemable in retail?that was a done deal when wowhead datamined ttransmog
>>580773472Literally NOBODY plays goblins. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. On turtle goblins were the least played race, conversely high elves were the most played race by a huge margin.
ferals look like theyre getting mangle. badass
man i was happy not playing wow, being unsubbed for 4 months now.>been lifting>walking 2 hours a dayim worried come november my autism will take over and im gonna stop lifting and getting fit cause ill play wow all day. i gotta lock in and not fuck this up. im so close to benching 2 plates.
>>580773645I'll be a skyborne horde boomkin. You mad?
They are going to add pandas (they were cut content from tbc) before draenei or goblins. They will be like skyborn and select faction on character creation, have a different "wc3 pandaria in south kalimdor" backstory + zone and only be playable if you buy the deluxe edition of that "major update" ALL Major updates will charge for new raid access btw.The two biggest paypig retail groups are the women (pretty race belf (also this category has effiminate men)) and furries, both groups are part of an often dismissed by classic players but very present vibe in the retail space that "ugh i want to play classic but i dont want to play an ugly x y z".Skyborn handled the women paypigs by being a both faction pretty race, Pandas will be for the furry paypigs next.
>no tanking spec for shaman
>>580773795and here we are with multiple shop transmog items and sets for Cameltoilet
>>580772653Damn, I guess you'll have to keep playing the ultra-fagged up furry/gooner centric version without us then
>>580773462You're complaining about the one Classic thing they kept? This really is just for retail players huh..
>>580773798>popular = goodActual gun & ball gamer mentality
>>580773894Don't worry, I'm sure they'll sell class specs and full classes next.
>>580773827Wish it was Dec 5th so first month could spill into comfy holiday gaming.
>>580773603i really dont see why they couldnt just add azuremyst isle, and just not have the dark portal open.sure you would have to change a couple of lines of dialogue for velen and the into speech but it wouldnt be hard.
>>580773894Looking at the talents, I think they're keeping with the idea that shamans can be a viable leveling tank, but not necessarily end-game (no taunt, no defensives).
>>580771815Seems like "Roguelite" mechanics that are account bound.
>>580772508>adding a bunch of abilities from retailgreat cant wait for rotations to be 20 buttons again so fun
>>580773798well I think the majority are wrong actually and ugly races like goblins and ogres and broken draenei are critical to the health and robustness of the game’s setting actually
>>580773861
>>580773570no way in hell it stacks, that would be busted as shit.>>580774019fuck off, draenei lore is retarded and diametrically opposed to vanilla. if you want to jerk off to goat asses go to rule34.
>>580774030So completely fucking useless like normal, they shouldn't have introduced shaman tanks in sod if they weren't going to follow up on them in classic, what a bunch of fucking kikes
>>580774039play era if you want brain dead 1 button rotations tranny
>>580773894horde gets paladins, so there is no need for a third tanking class
>>580774004this didnt occur to me, but comfy winter wow forever, leveling and questing. cinemahttps://streamable.com/la4ow4>vid rel
>>580771807they will never understand that shielding them from any criticism made the game shittendies are learning this right nowbut drones still refuse to
>>580773861They could have just added goblins or ogres to horde without even adding substantial content for them. Just plonk em in durotar. They did it to trolls and gnomes anyway. Goblins would barely even need work on the player model itself
>>580774030No one is going to take a class to tank that isn't actually a tank compared to the actual tank classes why the fuck would they do this
>>580774140>draenei lore is retarded and diametrically opposed to vanillaAs opposed to "Skyborne?"
Can someone show me the Priest stuff? Do they get Penance at least
>>580773905What's the issue with that? If you don't like tmogs you can just disable it.
>no furries>pvp servers, no warmode>no scaling>no flying mounts and don't pretend all of you faggots weren't dooming about this>10/20 man raids>no WBs (?)why are you guys ONLY talking about the stuff that came true
>blue>black>regularwhy would an insular elf community living in the sky for apparently hundreds of years on a tiny island still have "diversity"? could have just done high elf for alliance and drow sexo for the horde
warlocks getting a whole bunch of bullshit and still have soul link.no meta tho
>5 generals for the same dogshit game
If you want to play your zoophile races just fuck off back to retail, simple as.
>>580774152>So completely fucking useless like normalYes but you can tank when you're heckin lvling and that's valid.
>>580774284yes, even skyborne are less retarded since they aren't literal fucking space aliens lmao.
>>580774296yes and mending
>>580769363Ready for Forever!
>>580774304Midwit take. Transmog means they can be lazy with armor designs going forward as you can just transmog
>>580774362Decent bait
>>580774304so in one day the goalpost of cope shifted to cash shop items are okay, just ignore them?
>>580774362nigga the burning legion and the titans are literally space aliens which is also vanilla lore.draenei make way more sense than asspull fucking sky elves
>>580774375good
>pick frost dk>lose the mdiI warned you about tranny specs but you didnt listen
>>580774497
>>580774362orcs are literally space aliens thoughbeit
>>580774396What is going on in this webm?Bots?
>new retail spell effects>not the kino classic oneslame
>>580774357So same as vanilla?Shaman will tank as an absolute last resort after finding no tank for 45 minutes or the real tank rage quitting the party
>>580774270Because good luck finding a tank otherwise? It's not a big deal, plus leveling is supposed to be "half" of the journey so it's whatever. I shaman tanked in vanilla until 2nd half of maraudon just fine, this just makes it a little better. Obviously the real tanks are better but not everyone plays those or willing to tank for the bros.
>>580774497gnome looks like the bis pvp race.
>>580774346this is retail anon
>>580774323>see it's not THAT badkill yourself nigger
>>580774474I said the same thing in the classic thread a few days ago.
>>580774489Orcs are also ayylmao's and are the reason why there's war in warcraft.
>>580774489the titans are gods by any practical measure and the burning legion were/are demons, i.e. essentially magical in nature. As opposed to TBC draenei that are literal space aliens traversing outer space in literal space ships. Draenei unironically fit better in scifi setting than wow.
>>580774575Bot farm
>>580774562wait, axe is just crit chance? what happened to weapon skill?
I'm a retail player and I'm going to absolutely shit up forever until it's just a worse copy of modern wow. And then I'll leave
>>580769363>No LFG
This looks like League Classic, a middleground between Classic and Retail that satisfies nobody
>>580774497>sword spec for humans is 2% spell/melee crit>mace spec for dwarves is 1% spell/melee critwtf>new $30 race gains a flat 1% hastelmao
>>580774805they probably removed it entirely
>>580774728hit and expertise are gone
>>580774331So which is the Warlock tank talent tree? Demon?
>>580774685you will doom and be miserable until the day you die
>>580774728Did SoD have weapon skills? They probably just removed them.
>>580774497based. rolling human female warrior with transmog off, modern models, classic animations.and you can't stop me
>>580774868there's no warlock talent tree
>>580774658you will learn to fear the gnome rogue by december
what are our thoughts on paid turtle wow so far?
>>580774697>orcs travel to azeroth via a dimensional portal >I sleep>draenei travel to azeroth via a dimensional ship>REAL SHIT
>>5807748401% haste is dogshit
>>580774497>human racialsno more weapon skills?????holy slop it really is retail minus for boomers that cant press buttons and zoomers that cant read
>>580769363Itsfuckingover
>>580774868this is not sod, warlocks cant tank
>inb4 they remember lost ones are a thing and add slightly more rugged looking goats for instant money
>>580774728they explicitly said they didn't like racials that had a huge performance advantage, and unless you nerfed weapon skills to only be like +1 point they will always be OP.
>>580774805you are already done anoncongrats
>>580775027>didn't like racials that had a huge performance advantageHumans get a free pvp trinket
>humans get perception AND stun removalhuman GODS
>>580774917dude 10% damage on the next 3 abilities? your first ambush/backstab into eviscerate get 10% damage on TOP of any talents? can even cold blood for a massive opener?>into escape artist to immune any frost nova or slow they try to do to get away from you>5% more energy to have bigger burst opener>less chance to have fails on things like netomatic or mc capgnome will be INSANE for pvp
>>580774497gnomes look fucking cracked. disgusting race is now op
>>580774564>thoughbeit
>>580774497>read the ley lineso they get innervate? as a racial?
>>580774940Yes, exactly. Different dimensions or planes like draenor that are accessed via magical portals are classic fantasy fare. Traversing literal outer space in your gigantic metallic space ship to reach alien planets definitely is not.
dots can now crit
The worst offenders here are Skelves and UD paladinsI should have known they would rape even vanilla's lore
>>580775130pvp is a mini game and the game shouldn't be balanced with it in mind
alex comeback happened yet?
>>580774840I don't understand their obsession with giving power behind racials. Just keep it cosmetic, lifeskilling specialty, fun shit.
>>580774331which stream is this
>>580774497human warrior with 2h swords suddenly not so meme anymore!?
>>580775204so draenei would have been fine if they used a portal instead? your logic is as retarded as the sky elves
>>580773280>it's not neutral, you have to choose your factionwut why did he say it's not a neutral race when it's a fucking neutral race
The trailer with the orb was emotional and very esoteric.
even if horde has worse racials I'll still play horde because alliance players have too many fucking antifun lames who roll on pvp servers just to ignore pvp
>>580775265no one cares. i will play what i want, im happy to see op shit, its fun. i will camp you in the open world though, oh you had a quest to do? sorry maybe when i decide im bored with you you can do it.
>>580775114It's not a pvp trinket, it only removes stuns. basically a different flavor of wotf.
>>580775221Is there a single element from Vanilla they kept?
>>580769641>glowing horde symbol on his tabard>horde sigil on his holy tomeThis is so fucking stupid holy shitAlso notice the lack of bones on its elbows to make it xi jinping approved
>>580775265yes, exactly, that's what makes it so funwow pvp is at its best with borderline exploit level game player and clever use of game mechanics, it's like no other pvp game in existance it fucking rules. the reason games like gw2 have such shitty dead pvp is because they unironically tried to make it an esport instead of making it unique and fun
>>580775204they're teleporting fortresses according to Metzen himself, they are explicitly not spaceships
>>580775379If the draenei lore were completely rewritten to be something else entirely yes they might be acceptable. Draenei as established since the TBC retcon are retarded though.I imagine it would even be acceptable to you, since the only thing you care about it jerking off to them anyway lol.
>>580773827you can do both anon, optimise your time management
>20 years into wow forever>15 new elf races>all other races combined amount to about 2% of every serverare elves the crab evolution for mmorpgs?
tank shaman is on the menu
>Tauren stuck with only four fucking classes againJust fuck my shit up senpai, I'd even take priest at this point the fuck they mean giving orcs mages and nothing for tauren
>no tanking>no felchud>no new spell what so everlock got cucked hard
So how's your Cum-a-lot?
>maelstrom weaponman fuck off with this shit
>>580774946A flat 1% haste is amazing though and there's no stipulation about needing a certain weapon to access it like how humans NEED swords for their crit.>>580775130Orc has their stun resist so you're still getting cucked. Undead Rogues are getting cucked because humans can break stuns.
>>580774834It's about having 2 versions so retail players can do something between their patches. They aren't continuing classic expansions and you can only re-release vanilla so often.
>>580775645Gonna need much more than that buddy
>>580775609yeah i know i just have to have discipline to say>ok now i will spend 1 hour at the gym>now i will spend 2 hours walking>then i play cause my retarded ass is inclined to play no life all day
>>580775612most people just want to look at something pretty
>>580775319xaryu
>>580775243UD Priests exist in vanilla, Forsaken can use/be healed by light. It causes some pain and discomfort but they just need to have high pain tolerance. Sky elves are a load of bullshit though I will agree
Listen... Hunter Tanks
Why do you gimps love elves so much they're so fucking boring and look shit
weird astroturf general
>>580774917>Has a Jimmy Neutron style brainblast about stabbing you in the kidneys
>>580774869I will be miserable because stupid fucking faggots like you ruin good games by letting companies get away with low effort garbage over and over againThis isn't even retail-, it's SoD Lite
>>580775608i dont play female characters, im not a weird boy. Draenei are just an extremely comfy race, with a comfy aesthetic and comfy starting zone.music is literal peakhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwrflawejvE&t=1942s
>>580774497Undead racials really need a rework, this shit has always been garbage
>>580775243>vanilla lorethought the whole concept of forever was altered timeline
>>580775685orcs still get a free AP/SP trinket also, trolls still get their haste trinket as well
>Tauren druid>pvp server>skelf-grapistits gaming time
>>580775645Good for leveling, no taunt + mail slave with no armor scaling makes it sus
I am having an autistic meltdown over these character models. They look fucking horrible. It's the retail skeleton no matter which toggle you are using. They just Frankensteind the classic skin over it. Look how the idle animations are. Then they decided to try and make it not look as bad by making a custom "classic run" animation which makes it look worse. This is just slop.
>>580775741>talent that gives 30% threat>weapon imbue that gives theat>shock that gives threatare you being retarded on purpose or did your mom drop you on your head?>>580775943maybe if you werent a total loser faggot, and had other things in your life to worry about or be happy about like going to the gym, being a normal person, having a job a gf maybe, you wouldnt be such an insufferable faggot miserable waste of space. do a flip.
>>580775881because female and trans retail players have pavlov’d themselves into believing they are their wow character and won’t play classic+ unless they can be an elf named Lilith Windrunner on both factions
>>580775943>Yes but see I have REASONS to be a miserable fuckfriendless, wifeless, miserable until the day you die, don't forget
GNOME = BEST PVE CLASS
>>580775958will and cannibalize are goated in pvp the fuck you talking about
>>580776094I really don't get why they wouldn't use the TBC blood elf animations for the toggled graphics
>>580776001Permanent uptime is typically better, that's why passive stat trinkets like Arcanocrystal were so good.
Warriors will once again be the only viable endgame tank and the game will be dead within a year
Blizzdrones on suicidewatch ONCE AGAIN KEKAROOOOOOOO
>You don't understand a tank absolutely NEEDS to have a taunt to be one!Do faggots here really?
>>580776094Do the fem nelfs still do the titty bounce?
>>580776193you didnt have to obliterate that fucking faggot that hard. lmao.
i'm a weird boy :3
>>580775221Good. Presumably they shake with haste by default as well.
>>580776113you sure gonna do a lot of threat after getting one shot by 1 giant in your mail armor buddy
>>580775881In what way are they boring?
>>580776275Yeah but they get a 2 minute AP trinket for free, they can still use passive trinkets, that's why the racial is good.
>>580776308how are you going to tank swap without a tank swapping tool?
>>580774497So does this mean they removed that dogshit weapon skill mechanic?
>>580776308explain what you do to not wipe when a healer takes threat
>>580776308Yeah cause paladins spamming BoK was sooo reliable, especially when threat drops!
>>580776381too bad, no one cares, shamans shouldnt be tanking. cry about it.
>>580775434tank threat gen, seemed still awful in that dungeon i watched
>No Shaman tank>No mage healerI feel like these were two things from SOD that people actually loved. Kind of a shame not to include them.
Alexensual runs these generals
>>580775881Cause selling to China is more important to blizz than what we give a shit about. If horde didn't have a pretty class the game would be DoA there.
Even the worst most shameless shills have to admit the fucking sky elves are a disaster and spell doom for the entire game, theyre shockingly out of place and a little kid could tell, the fact none of the people "working" at blizz could should tell you all you need to know
>>580775943It sounds like you've had a rough day. I think I might have something that will perk you right up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSg1sQcOjk0
>>580776429And 1% is haste permanent haste for everything. That changes how you can gear around softcaps, it enables different BiS.
>>580776570theyll introduce it in a year
>>580769363>pls pay for 1/10 of sod changes and play the same shit for the 6th timeNo I don’t think I will
>players have an entire month to poopsock before raid opens>dec 4 raids release>yawnxia(40), yawnjal(20) and yawn deeps(10) is all there is for content>4 months until the next dungeon release that brings catch up gearits a skip for me
>>580776570rogue tank dream alive or dead?
>>580776623I can understand the business logic. But why not use high/blood elves to make nillas and shareholders happy?
>>580776468Name one boss fight that has a tank swap outside of easy ass old molten core>>580776497Not play with shit healers that don't know when to hold heals while a tank is grabbing mobs or getting threat
>>580776642The skelves are fine. Charging fucking $30 for them is unacceptable.
>>580776729there are no new specs
where priest stuff
I will play an Skelf elemental shaman with natures swiftness and NO lava burst
>>580776818talent builds you idiot
Vulperas when?
total doomer loser faggot death. keep seething. well be having fun playing the game, you keep pre-emptively assuming you wont have fun because of x reason. reminder; you wont have fun because youre an asocial insufferable faggot retard. do everyone and favour and take your meds, or better yet, take a whole months supply at once.
>>580769363The gay elves should be enough reason to skip this garbage. Complete disrespect to vanilla showing their retoilet tranny races into it.
>it's another episode of new race that can play alliance or hordeit's just low effort but not surprised. I understand giving horde elves because they are huge demographic pull but they really should have given alliance something cool and different
>>580774562>race that canonically has cursed blood>can become immune to cursesWhy don't all orcs become Mag'har, are they stupid?
>>580776831Devouring plague, 50% mana cost reduction in shadow form, dots crit. Nothing else
>>580776831Yeah I need to know the priest racial spellsWhose gottem?
>he still thinks classic+ was made for himLol. Lmao.
>>580776810congrats you just wiped the group
>>580776816>adding liquid shit to the game is fine but what I wont accept is being charged for itCome on now
holy shit the new mode looks amazing better than plunder
reminder that they killed turtle and ascension for this
>>580776937
Having two(2) names is kind of weird but might be good to make sure your name isnt taken
>everyone talking about races and features meanwhile i'm wondering what server to choose and hoping my friends choose the same one when the time comes
>>5807768102005 called they want their game comprehension back
Shamans should be nothing more than offtanks. Paladins should be the defensive hybrid and shamans should be the offensive hybrid
>>580777057Good
>>580776570One of the cool aspects of SOD was that tanks and healers actually weren't that hard to find because of all the new specs. Sad that they didn't bring them over to Forever.
>>580776919This is what SoD fags said before it faded to irrelevance btw. Have fun with your neurotic jumble of 20 years of WoW ideas that appeals to noone!
>>580777119if only you could talk to them bro
>>580776919I won't have fun knowing that the servers will be raped by bots, thirdies will make a business out of it, and retarded players will enable it. Classicfags have negative standards.
>>580777119you have friends?
>>580777119no server lists that we saw. could be just a dev build thing but it might just be GIGA servers sorted by pvp pve rp hc
>they add MORE ultraslop zones instead of going deeper into the good zones like duskwoodwestfall would be great for higher level lore accurate quests, dungeons and some sort of zone wide raid instance agaisnt defias max pro. onyxia quest is the gold standard for all quests in all of wow and instead they just go zoooing this new zone you never heard about has a NEW goblin town and tons of disneypark shit for you!
I didn't play SoD but Forever looks like sod with better graphics. Nillers are already malding. Who is this made for? Well I guess it gets people to subscribe to wow and maybe they will transfer to retail.
>>580777119Im more worried about the PvE / PvP split again, PvP will be more popular and then become a 90/10 monofaction server with transfers as the playerbase finds out they don't actually like world pvp
>>580777146I'd rather have shaman tanks and no horde paladins
>>580777057I mean it seems they're pandering to them after all
>>580777104it'll get 100% removed after the 10000th Adolf Hitler variant gets banned
>>580777284I WISH it was SOD with better graphics.
>I AM A TANK TOO!>I AM A TANK!!!>I AM JUST AS GOOD!>*wipes his raid*
>>580777282you dont know that you fat retard. one thousand quests added. none of them in duskwood i bet. kys
Hey alex, I know you're ITT. 5ft3 btw.
>>580777282>add new quests to existing zones>WOW THEY CAN'T CREATE ANYTHING NEW THEY'RE OUT OF IDEAS>add new zones>WOW THEY COULDN'T JUST ADD NEW STUFF TO EXISTING ZONES THEY'RE OUT OF IDEASno winning with doomtrannies is there. you'll still play it btw.
>>580777315Surely people learned their lesson with pvp servers this time and won't roll to the objectively more shitty experience?
>>580776810>I want to play the responsibility role without any of the responsibilities
>>580777282>defias max proI'll take the Epoch's defias ship, they turned it into a fucking fortress x3 the size of the original and an elemental powering it's engine
>A shaman whispers me saying he can tank this dungeon
>i mean it looks alright i gue-->cuts to the neutral elf racewhat the fuck?>its a paid DLCWHAT THE FUCK?
>>580776234pvp is for ballsmashers.this is a PVE game.
>fem human warrior>fem nelf druid>fem skelf druid>femdead paladinI can’t decide bros
>>580777354id doubt theyd totally remove double names after its been used. theres no way theyd have everyone log in to change their name
>>580775943Usually I'd agree but I think this is literally as god as its going to get, I don't think Blizzard is capable of more. You can financially starve them all you want, they aren't going to magically become more incompetent from it
>>580777534>you'll still play it btwThis is what niggercattle who are looking forward to GTA VI say too btw.
>>580777541All the good players will still be on pvp servers so I will opt in to the shittier experience, thank you very much.
>>580777439>sky blue and black elvesyeah those quests are SHIT and in the new zones lil broenjoy the new gay ogres
>>580777541They will never learn.
>>580777328nah this is pretty lame compared to CoA bud
>>580774178I dont want it to be just one button faggot but it became too much the other way in retail
>>580777619>tankslut>healslut>heaslut but stinky>healslut but fotm
>>580777642They've already made their billion+ dollar development cost back in just preorders.
Blizzjeets on the grave tonight!Everybody just having good time!
is this the garbage retail players have been bragging about for months?jfc, retail niggers are cooked
>>580777739it's lame even compared to Epoch, which was never finished.why couldn't they fucking match it?
>>580777750And?
>No Goblins>No Draenei
>>580777619dwarf male
Forgot about GTA. And ocarina of time. And dynasty warriors 3 remaster. And witcher 3 remaster. Now WOW forever. Not enough time in the day
fury now viable in pvp
holy fuck blizzard burnt this lame n i g g e r baby to a crisp in the oven
the crowds enthusiasm audibly went down the more holly was speaking
>Ret Paladin will be good in WoW Forever are you excited????!!!!!!>Seal Twisting enforced as the ONLY playstyle
Maplestory won
anyone else notice that glowey spark thingie in the cinematic? like a whisp following that dwarf around? do you think this is a hint at a gameplay mechanic for questing? or does it represent rested xp?
>>580777739Yea I miss the unique CoA classes : build and spend aoe dps with self-heals and 3 dashes tm
>>580774331Wow they made haunt an instant cast and renamed it so creative
>>580777878>Wanting those bastardizations of draenei that they hastily ass pulled after abandoning Pandaren for Alliance
Pardon me if this is a dumb question but they said there wouldn't be flying mounts so what is the bird Sky Elf druid form for? Retail?
>>580776810>retard hunter overthreats>retard hunter has aggro>retard hunter feigns>boss targets the next highest threat entity which happens to be a mage with 110% of the "tank" shaman's threat>boss is facing the casters/healers and aoes them>everyone dies>the end
>>580777901Only DW3 (with the shitty Eng dub) is worth playing from that list
Is there Chaos Bolt or Havoc for Destro?
>high elves to alliance>goblins to hordeturtle did it better
>>580777642and yet i'm not wrong. you will seethe but at the end of the day you'll still be buying it.
>>580777682Maybe like 10% of the "pvp" players are good in wow, the rest wants world pvp to be over
>>580777865I actually messed up undead and skelf placements, but you see what I'm going for. Humie war if you wanna tank or Nelf bitch if you wanna heal
>>580778000I like spacegoats more than broken, yes.Male spacegoats are brick shithouses and kino as fuark
Everytime Aggrend tries to force his Ret Paladin dream on us, all the warrior chads quit and make the game die. Then they cry in these threads about warriors. KEK
Blizzard, I will migrate to ForeverOn one condition...
>>580777485I used to have such a crush on ensual in the nost days
>>580777620Honestly wouldn't be surprised if it didn't last the name reservation period when blizzard see how many Charlie Kirk variations there are. It should be limited to RP servers with relatively strict moderation. Regular servers are going to be flooded with Coqen Bawls and Anul Phisters. The more annoying combo will likely be the boomers who came up with one name and use some variant on every alt, Ricks Shaman, Ricks Druid, Ricks Warrior.
woyerbros, i think we won
Imagine going to blizzcon and slaying cosplay sylvanas pussy. I guess you can't imagine it /wowfg/ cause you're all virgins.
>>580777284>I didn't play SoD butThen why the fuck are you posting like you're an authority on what SoD is?
>literal retail minusim crying and laughing
>>580778190In the next cash shop race bundle. Doesn't include monk; that's a separate purchase
Doesn’t even matter that undead pally will be FOTM because paladin is so fucking OP just with holy pre-changes that they’d all have a raid spot. If ret and prot are viable they’ll be fine.
>>580778010>Sky elf druid with a bird form>Can't even flyMore like glide elves am i right
CONTENT CREATOR SHOWCASE AT 3:30 PST POSSIBLE EXCLUSIVE PLOOS CONTENT IN 30 MINS
>>580778101It's not about pvp, it's about the population of pve players that have more than 10 IQ and/or not permanently high or drunk. They're all on the pvp server, so I'll be playing where the other speedrunners will be.
show me the mage tree
>wowhead still has nothingi guess thats what happens when everything is written by AI and there arent real people
>>580778248There was an Alexstrasza cosplayer on the mainstream in basically nothing but her underwear.Meanwhile in-game retail Alexstrasza is dressed like a fucking nun lmfao. Blizzard just don't get it.
>>580778201>The more annoying combo will likely be the boomers who came up with one name and use some variant on every alt, Ricks Shaman, Ricks Druid, Ricks Warrior.kino
forever chads won
>>580778260They just HAD TO ruin it.BOOTLEG PRIVATE SERVERS GOT IT RIGHT.BLIZZARD JUST COULDN'T.
>Melee hunter but no pet since you'd take lone wolf with itehhhh
blizzcon NIGHT ELF PUSSY
>>580777959LE EPIC STREAMER SAID SEAL TWISTING IS POGGGGGGGIEEEEEEES
>>580778190>Monkey paw curls
>Human>Female>Hunter>exclusively use bow for the animations showing off her assIt's gaming time.
post the cosplay cooter
>>580778520Non streamer hereSeal twisting is actually pretty poggiesThe rhythm is kinda relaxing
I unironically cannot believe how it must feel for all the retoilet and shit classic version Andys.
>>580778520Considering that the other alternative consists of just watching your character auto attack once every 3 seconds, seal twisting is more fun for sure.
Surely they'll add playable ogres in a future patch... right?
any word on if UI addons are disabled or not?
pservers won
>raidlog while waiting for the catch up dungeon
>>580778628Don't fucking care what you think. That gay ass play style can go fuck itself. At least SoD gave you an alternative play style even if it did less damage.
>>580771815Account talents that apply to ALL your characters. You get points from achievements. So leveling each class to 60, leveling each profession to 300, clearing raids, etc
>>580778662I am assuming this won't satisfy either side.It won't be retail enough for the retoiletters.It won't be vanilla enough for the boomers.
Am I really goyim enough to spend $60 just to play play beta that only goes up to level 30 for 3 weeks?
>you can use new models with old animations>transmog is a toggleThey actually thought of everything and I’m beyond impressed.
>>580778772Nah. Its pretty poggies
>wow forever is a retail minus raidlog gamekekusunironicly a streamer product for retail streamers
>>580778767single player chads cant stop winningme and my AI harem is going to go raid BWL
Anyone got screenshots or vods of Rogue Talent Trees?
>>580778586can my nelfie druid (naked) also be in the party with your other pet
>>580778767>if you get shut down you win
>>580778346is there a screenshot
>>580778257Oh you're asking for credentials on this high-quality carefully curated anonymous image board? You take messages here as some sort of authority? I can post whatever I want.
>>580778824there is no toggle for trans elves, they are going to stand out if you use old models and animations
Are the only new class combinations just dorf sham and zombie pala?
>>580778787the shiteaters will devour it by the bucket.
there's gonna be so many fucking paladins running around, now on both factions. holy shit it's going to be miserablewill be exactly like troondle wow (if you played it) where paladins were by far the most played class on every one of their servers
>>580778787The peak playstyle for classes and raids has always been Cata I hate that they moved past it in Classic to MoP
this is why america lost and china won
>>580778865How do bots even handle raids.I did a couple of dungeons myself with bots and it seems like it would be really annoying to do raids with.
>>580778747They will but they will also be a $30 neutral race
>They didnt even give back lordaeronthey cant even do fanservice actually idea bankrupt company
>>580779102Why lie? Class usage was extremely balanced on turtle
>>580779074there was a dwarf warlock in the video i'm pretty sure. i don't think it was a spriest. surprised no one has mentioned it
guys dont steal my name idea please. okay?
everybody is going to buy it and play it btw. literally zero point in whining about it
>>580779214b-but they added it as a lvl 15 dungeon!!
Why do the people obsess over paladin?
>>580770542new capstone enchance which is a solo lust, and no DW. real men use DW
>>580777284>Nillers are already malding. Who is this made for?Not nillascum. Thank fuck.
>>580778937I'm still playing on twow though
>>580779074Orc mage, troll warlock, gnome priest are in
>>580779074it's some of the ones that came with catahuman hunter, gnome priest, troll warlock
>>580779272just like sneedolands right?
>>580779265im going to pay 30$ so i can steal your name.
>>580779074maybe watch the trailer and you would see orc mage, gnome priest, human hunter etc.
Be honest and as unbiased as you can : will it die like SoD in your opinion
>>580779247paladins on both ambershire and nord were more played than every other class, including warrior. obviously alliance only, but were more popular. even hunter was more represented than warrior (which was 3rd most played). this was consistent across all servers.you'd know if you played there (you didn't)
>>580779436No
>>580779436Yes
>secondary name can be toggled offthey really leaned into being able to opt out of the new features if you dont like them huh? cool.
>>580777284>>580777363SoD was fun and if this doesnt have the new SoD specs like tank shaman and healer mage this is going to suck
>>580779436SoD was a season. not really comparable
>>580779436I'd be shocked if it didn't have massive sod like drop in players after 2 months
>>580779102New race can't be paladins so not as many as you think
>>580779447I played there and you're making shit up.
I must ask:Unironically:Who asked for this?Please point me to 1 video or 1 post that wanted a game like this before this announcement
>>580779436Yes. I knew it as soon as I heard the dreaded words "horizontal progression"
>>580779485where is the blue elf toggle
>>580779512forever is just an extended season
at first i thought skyborne are fucking stupid but... looking at them more i kinda wanna play...
>>580779436No, but there will be endless Retail- posting
>>580779436Not if they put actual effort into it and do a better job on culling botting and cheating
>>580779436here's what's going to happen>on launch, general has another explosion of activity>general dies down fast>doomtrannies proclaim the game is dead when in reality everyone is playing and enjoying the game
>>580779485>[Post a Reply]I don't understand what this implies. Are first names Unique then?
>>580779485>MYkey word brainiac, you'll still be able to see all the Sixety Nines
>>580779447Hunter and warrior were both more played
>>580779561I actually specifically posted that Classic+ should be this.
>>580779436200% yesIt will be dead by the end of next year at most
>>580779436yes but the novelty will wear off even quicker
These sky elves are so gay that I'm not even interested in the rest. I play primarily for the comfy fantasy world and these are so garrishly unclassic that I can't get myself to like the rest of the product. have fun guys, I'm out.
>>580779581yeah i think it could be surpringly fun to play them if the starting zone is freshdesu the old starting zones drag on
>>580779570Right here.
>>580779436there'll be a very fine line between blizzard fucking it up and forever actually succeedingsod was good for a single level bracket and dogshit afterwards so hopefully theyve learned
unironically the same people who made retail are making this shit and it shows.
This just feels like something they're putting out to get money from classicfags
>>580779581They'd be fine if they weren't blue. Seems like an odd thing to complain about when night elves exist, but the fact is that they're JUST exiled high elves. Why would they turn blue?I feel like everyone's just going to pick the normal skin tones.
>>580779436No. SoD died because it always had a end date. Most people don't want to sink time into an MMO when they don't feel like their progress will be wiped at a later date.>but muh transfersClassic Era is dead content. No updates = functionally dead.
So, it happened AGAIN. We can blame Blizzard, we can blame Holly, we can blame streamers, we can praise Shenna and Crogge but the truth is it's simply not enough. Talents, zones, spells, you name it, it all stinks.Don't get me wrong, I still have full faith in Aggrend and the lads, but MASSIVE changes are desperately needed in the coming weeks. Otherwise I'm not very optimistic about Plus being taken seriously. Not with this current build. What do you think, /wowcg/? #AGGRENDIN or #AGGRENDOUT?Some helpful links to numb the pain:https://octowow.st/https://project-epoch.org/https://jlingz.comhttps://www.nhs.uk/conditions/suicide/https://sprc.org/
>>580778985https://www.twitch.tv/blizzard/clip/CheerfulKathishWheelSuperVinlin-2HUtQZZztIX7FIQX
>>580779749classicfags don't want blue elves
>>580779690so defensiveelf player?
>>580779561I wanted this. The spec design seem a bit boring compared to some of the ones in turtle but besides that it looks great.
>>580779485The fuck is "secondary name"?
>>580778190give it a few years and maybe you'll be able to buy a hueshifted pandaren for 40 euros
>>580779670>Human Female Warrior>Fem Skelf Rog>Human Female Paladin>Fem Nelf Druidsimple as
>they did retail minus with the mediocre flavour of the classici am not touching this shit even if it was f2p
>>580779786you understand that you can make them not blue right?
>>580779749company put out product to get money????? WHAT THE FUCK?! WE MUST ALERT THE PUBLIC!
>>580779839JOHN JOHNSON
>>580779436It won't have a guaranteed short lifespan as it's not a seasonal server, so it depends on the support Blizzard gives it
how the FUCK is there not a working calculator working yetwhat the FUCK are the people at wowhead even doing
night elf priest might be bis for priest
>>580779875classicfags dont want horde elves
Sad lorefag here:So we getting new lore/new intro with this?Like i read new zones and stuff bis is the base game the same vanilla story?
i guess i'd have to watch a streamer if i want to see talents ey? ill wait
If they were just going to do the same model for the new race then why didn't they just make them High/Blood elves?
What % of sky elf players are going to make them blue
>>580779436SOD 100% died because Phase 3 was the worst phase they ever made and it was also the longest.
>>580779875is there a toggle to make all of the other people's elves also not blue?
>>580779875There will be retards making them blue and blue elf npcs all over the place. It's simply not enough that I don't have to be blue, having to see these abominations is too much.
Calling it now, fake hype it will flop. I’m sorry I just don’t feel the magic. It is neat they added so much to it but it’s just not right.
>>580779960Its 5 years(ingame) before the events in Vanilla, so yeah, wherever applicable
>trading farming molten chore for farming mount boredom
So did I get this right?No meme specs from SoD?
I love this new feature.
>Blizzard creating socially accepted ingame racism towards skelvesuhhhh based?
>They haven't said anything about anni or mopT-thanks for shitting on my 7 year old characters ....
>>580779436yeslook how it will go>release with okay amount of content>second batch of content 4-6 months later>then it's over, they will release some small updates bits by bits until players will get tired and quit
>>580779646>>580779561Nice astroturf try, show the archive post>>580780049Most fake hype i experienced since dragonflight
>>580769363Just woke up and watched the trailers and announcement, this is just retail with a classic skin, shan't be playing it
>>580779875That doesn't work tranny. Sure you could make one not blue but that doesn't stop other people from being able to do it and from me seeing them.
>>580780090i'm fuming
>>580779750>I feel like everyone's just going to pick the normal skin tones.I'll pick blue
>>580779948I could stomach horde blood elves, and alliance high elves.I wanna know why they had to invent a whole new elf AGAIN.The elves we had would have been fine
>>580779557i accept your concession
>>580779875great, can you remove them from the horde? no, I don't want the horde to be 99% fucking elf again.
>>580780160Enjoy your stay in the toilet crusade and get the fuck out of the thread you shiteating boomer faggot
>>580779436Yes, if only because GTA releases between it launches and when raids release. They REALLY should have pushed it to January or something and let it compete against the XIV expansion instead of releasing it right before GTA and OoT. They're going to lose their free streamer advertising.
>>580780126It's ok we'll start a new adventure...
anni keks thought they were going to get wrath
>The classic model uses the retail animations
>Yeah, give me blizzard HQ quick!>You guys won't believe this.>The virgin fat faggot losers on /vg/ do NOT like your new game!>They say they won't play it!>Yes all 10 of them!>I know, I too am shocked!>Guess your company should've catered to the schizophrenic losers on a basket weaving forum, instead of the normal healthy adult population that has a life and isn't a total loser faggot.
>They gonna compete with retail minus against gt6lel
>>580780260>alliance only
>>580769756>video games are dollar for dollar one of the cheapest hobbies there is >poor fags still cry Kys
>>580780260You didn't need to BTFO that faggot so hard, anon.
I can't really hate on Sky Elves because they are a sort of soft disclosure esoteric race.But they should add Ogres and Normal High Elves.
>>580780403You can use the classic animations
I love Skyborne>They will be kicked out of groups and emoted into suicide>They cucked high elf people (again)>They are completely out of place and a total antithesis to what Classic+ was supposed to be
>>580780126pretty sure I saw in leak anon text who had everything right about forever>mop is era or transfer character to retail>anni will go to wrath then wrath era>new vanilla to wrath every 3 to 4 years
>>580780260owned that fat slob
>>580780216>>580780090I'm not particularly upset, but how will they handle the inevitable Tank Shortage?Even With Druids and Paladins, I feel like we deserved another one, same for mage healers.
>Both Alliance and Horde will be 80%+ elf>They're also paywalled because they know how popular they'll be.
>>580780464You can? Is there a video of it anywhere because from what I saw that was not the case.
>>580779690Imagine defending some tumblrina creative director's OC fanfic
>>580771647>every random creature has to be a near death experience ?
>>580780491>>They are completely out of place and a total antithesis to what Classic+ was supposed to beso true.
>>580780491>>They will be kicked out of groupsThis isn't going to happen kek
>starting the game with destroying faction identypoggies
>>580780491>They are completely out of place and a total antithesis to what Classic+ was supposed to beExplain
Do hunters still have a dead zone?
>>580780515every faggot is gonna go paladin for ret, there will be enough of them that say fuck it and go prot to level. same with the furry fucks going blue elf druid for the new forms.
>>580780260>Goblins on horde>High Elves on alliancePerfect. Why did they do this sky elf bullshit? Literally only so women will play horde?
>>580780573They specifically pointed it out during the follow-up presentation, you can use the new models with the old animations if you so wish. They showed it off with the dwarf run animation.
>>580780260>No one played hordeWhat faggy server was this
>>580780260so many elves
>Every nigger will roll a undead paladin
>>580780456>and Normal High Elves.That'll mean 70+% of the entire population will be alliance, unless thr horde racials are severely stronger than Alliance's
>>580780423fucking retardi said in my original post that the fagadin pop was obviously going to be higher on alliance because they're alliance only. duhbut hey, here's the horde paladin - i mean shaman. seems to follow the same pattern doesn't it
>>580780260I was on Ambershire, post it
Vanillakeks be like "it's about the journey" until a new journey is announced and they're crying about their old characters
>>580780456and I do like the Sky Elves, they have cool lore. And they have some symbolism toward something very esoteric. Even the orb trailer was chilling and esoteric. It was very nice.
>>580780573the dude talked for a solid 5 minutes about how dwarves wont be bouncing around like they do in retail
LF1M DPS WC NO SKELFS
>>580779436should have copied runescape and made maxing out the character level and profession levels really time consuming
>>580780403they explicitly said it's the classic animations. guy literally said "no bouncing dwarves" god you fucking retards are just making shit up now.
>>580780707They never cared about the journey since dungeon boosting was a thing even in Vanilla
>>580780515No mage healer/tank shaman was a stupid decision.
>>580779436yes, it will die really fastleveling experience is basically the same but few new spells and few new inconsequential zones, retailers dont want to play classic from lvl 1 again which will basically feel like thatclassic andies wont like the changes as it is basically level capped retaildead by april new year. NOBODY likes horizontal progression btw and guild wars 2 was never popular outside launch so "horizontal" progression or w/e that means didnt existrunescape is probably the only mmo having some sort of second wind and its literally the opposite of horizontal progression with endless up only skills and bank stash go up gameplay
>>580779436No. Just look at how popular TBC still is. SoD only died because of incursions and lack of content due to the level locking shit.
>>580780697>faction exclusive classes are le popular?!
>opens on you out of nowhere>10% damage on my first 3 abilities>ambush>backstab>cb, evisc>immunes your root or slow>you dienothing personel, kid.
>>580780705unfortunately waybackmachine can't pull the amber pop on the site. but rest assured it was exactly the same. why wouldn't it be? it was the new hotness server and everyone knew how fucking busted paladins were. of course, being a pve server it attracted even more shitadins. it was exactly the same with more elves actually
>Retail, whose lore is raped to end and back has 0 consistency has still no undead paladins>the "le oldschool" product has undead plaaindsCANT MAKE THIS SHIT UP
>>580773861>I actually need to pay for the games I play Yes commie you need to pay for the product
YOOOOO THIS NEW RACE KINDA GAS
>>580780681that nigger? ,me
>>580780380I'm glad I sold all my gold last week. All the TBCers I know are panicking cause they haven't gotten their glaives yet.
>>580780859>backstab lets you ambush out of stealthYeah they cooked too hard on sub rogue
>putting the war back in warcraft>hehe look at my hunter pet playing with a wisp while I pick flowers!
>>580780652>Classic+ was supposed to be going back to the original world and lore, completely ignoring retail and all the garbage new stuff and focusing on the original world>ANYWHERE HERE'S OUR NEW OC RACE THEY ARE HIGH ELVES BUT BLUE AND THEY WERE IN THE HIDDEN SKY VILLAGE THE WHOLE TIME
>blizzards blizzcon roadmap for forever only went to summer>the old leaked roadmap has nothing planned for the rest >blizzard already expects it to die>launching another fresh
>>580780889It was announced that Retail will get Undead Paladins and Night Elf Paladins just now.
>>580780757They can't because they're retards releasing this game against GTA 6. If people can't hit max level in 2 weeks before GTA 6 comes out, they're probably never coming back to play the raids so I'd expect leveling speed to be expedited if anything.
>>580780260Yep. This is how I remember turtle. Paladins everywhere and they were all prot or ret. Was impossible to find healers for shit that weren't Priests.
>>580781012to be fair she said that for warcraft 3 :^)
>half the new racials are just an extra dps cooldownwhy do the devs lack imagination?
>>580780889>plaaindsSAAR
FYI, theres a schizo from /wspg/ seething. He has paid the 4chan pass to spam posts ITT. To create the illusion that many posters wont play wow forever to dishearten anons. Don't fall for this mentally ill schizos gayops.
>>580781059they're also releasing it 1 day before OoT
>>580780889The joke is that retail lore is so raped that nobody even notice when ud paladins get added to it
>>580781051Oh so the unifying the slop atleast, epic
>>580781113thanks I'll watch out for him
>>580780889They’re literally dead humans why wouldn’t they be able to be paladins?
Now that the dust has settled, was any leak true?
Skyborne chads, we fucking wonned bigly.
>Avoided naming it Classic Plus just so they can try again years later when this dies and it gets renamed to something else later onWill Blizzard ever be stopped?
>>580781102Imagination means making fun and impactful racials, and they don't want people picking races just for the racial traits and skills
>>580780858They were never this popular on 2019 classic. They aren't this popular on era. The only reason they are popular on turtle was because they were overpowered. Everyone knew it.
>>580777541I don't know what warmode is but there has to be a middle ground between PVP servers and PVE dogshit. On anniversary, playing PVE is a pain, you flag on for towers and flag off immediately after. It's dull as dirt. But on a full PVP server you're playing with mongoloid autistic neckbeard losers who just like to waste people's time while never encountering any actual challenge. It's all fucked it'll never work no matter where you go.
>>580781131This is Sophie's choice for millennials. Which childhood defining nostalgia game do they choose to play?
>>580781024These sky elves aren't retail related
>>580781113have to watch out for him in addition to the korean chang from wowcg. absolute freaks.plooschads stay winning.I WILL NOT RMT, I WILL NOT BUY YOUR BOOSTS, I WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN YOUR GDKP I WILL PLAY PLOOS
>>580781131Fuck. Too many games
>>580781212skyborne elf somehow
soooooits gotta be human pally and nelf warrior right?
>>580781202>dead>class that is against undead
You know after seeing all the schizoid seethe, I will buy the skyborne race and main one. Cope and seethe as I camp your nigga ass ingame.
>>580781113This poster is LYING
>>580780889>undead priests are fine>but paladins aren't because uh..not a lorefag, can someone explain? I find UD paladins kind of cool, like a fallen warrior that had a strong conviction to the light so it stayed with himgnome priests make less sense to me.
BLIZZARD WONTOTAL PSERVER DEATH
>>580781212Skyborne were a part of MANY leaks but everything else in those leaks were mostly false. I think Sky Elves leaked and then leakers just made everything else the fuck up.
did anybody run a dungeon yet? do they feel like actual classic dungeons? what dungeons are even in? brd lbrs/ubrs scholo strat etc?
>>580781059meh if it's horizontal then you can just come back 3 months later and grind your wave2:flash:2fishing lvl
WoW Forever Showcase in 5 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/live/BAsMFcHkM6U
>>580781281The point was to expand on the original setting and stuff we knew and they INSTANTLY ADDED THEIR OWN FANFICTION RACE FRAME 1
>>580780260absolutely disgusting
>>580781239racials should be minor utility upgrades that aren't gamebreaking and fit with the flavour of each racenight elf shadowmeld is the perfect example of this
>>580781212
>>580781242>weak classes were unpopular on solved versions of the game where they only existed to buff the hero class warriorAmazing insight
>Diablo V announced>retail minuslmao they totally panicking
>>580781427isnt there a deep dive panel tommorow?
>>580781345If they were paladins before they died they wouldn’t stop being paladins when they come back to life
So do we know what the loot system is like? Is it the same as we currently have it, or did they make it personal loot? Need to know if it's worth setting up my gdkp bot
>>580781395There's a level 40 Troll/Naga dungeon they were running on streams. Looked like a more tropical Zul'farrak with a massive pool in the center of the instance that you worked around.
>>580781458>literally everything is wrong
So instead of classic + we get retail -Who’s fucking idea was it to add blue elves?
>>580781574it's master loot only
>>580781530yeah
>>580781429true. they're so cringe, they don't feel fantasy. they're like Avatar
Okay let's think about this, what's going to be the most played class? How about the least? I feel like warrior might be one of the least played honestly.
>>580781604It's pure classic+ doe
>>580780657I don’t knwk the sky eleven shit seems out of place High levels + gobbles for horde was perfect If they really want they could later ad goats and ogres People will say goats are not OG but there were literally goats in Kalimdor as mobs and and they are in the lore cause the orcs >>580780681Why ? Undead is gross I’ve never understood people who like undead or necromancers disgusting
>Everything should feel as though it fits and makes sense to exist in Classic>Everything should feel as though it fits and makes sense to exist in Classic>Everything should feel as though it fits and makes sense to exist in Classic>Everything should feel as though it fits and makes sense to exist in Classic
The saddest thing is that goy streamers will sell this slop to the goycattle dicks eaters.
>>580781418That's not how FOMO works.>fuck everyone is already max level>fuck everyone already has their pre raid bis>fuck everyone is starting to raid alreadyPlus GTAO 2 will probably come out and then they'll play that instead and it's all streamers are going to play. Blizzard probably picked the absolutely worst time possible to release classic+, they're fucking retarded. Every other game is avoiding GTA6's release date for a reason.
>>580781383The Light hurts undead priests when they channel it. Priests do not exclusively "serve" the Light in the way Paladins do however. They bend it to their will, like they do with Shadow. Paladins are literal conduits of the Light. They are infused with it. If the Light hurts a zombie when he channels it, a zombie Paladin would explode on the spot because the Light would never let an undead serve it.
is improved blizzard still in?
>>580781639Warrior will always be one of the most played."Human Male Fighter" is not a meme. It's how 90% of people play these games. Same reasoning as how women don't play horde because there are no insanely beautiful female models on horde (which is why Blood Elves and now Sky Elves were made).
>>580780405
>>580780491you're insane if you think "harmful" emotes won't be censored and blizzard won't protect their loyal paypiggies
>>580781680yeah this shit is sloppa. hasn't gripped me enough to resub.
>>580781395Nope. We will not be getting a dungeon in the BRD/Maraudon/Sunken Temple style. Just look at SoD. They love making linear hallways with retail ddr boss mechanics.
>>580781680I like their lore, but qwhy are they bwue?
>>580781680>we're Blizzard and we give you bLuE aLiEnS!!!
>>580781680This looks like retail, even down to the goldslop armor.Their words don't seem to match what they've shown.
>>580781024 Adding more races is good this one is just clearly gay
>>580781791They'll have to remove laugh emotes, because when everything "harmful" is removed, they will just laugh at them.
>>580781680Say it with meretailminus
>>580781474>moving the goal postssee my previous post where I accepted your concession.
>>580781783I play warrior cause its fun to not have mana to worry about and hit things with a big weapon or fast with 2 weapons and be a berserker. dunno if ill main warr but it will def be an alt at least.
uhh bros... where is chris metzen?
>>580781912Still looks better than retail though.. so maybe retail plus?
>>580781945NEW BREAD MIGRATE>>580781945>>580781945>>580781945>>580781945>>580781945>>580781945
>>580781825They're obviously throwing draenei and belf players a bone
>>580781680You know what DOES feel as though it fits and makes sense to exist in Classic?
Anyone know if Druids get feral attack power?
>>580781345The whole point of the forsaken is they are broken from the lich king right?
>>580773702I bought this for the zergling pet :)
>>580780669>>580780735Oh I just saw a video of the classic model using retail animation. I didn't watch the follow up video. My fault for being a retard, my apologies.
>>580781872New races based on established lore, yes. Goblins? High Elves? Naga? Furbolgs? Murlocs? Ogres? Gnolls?They instantly broke the concept of what Classic+ was supposed to be before the game even came out by adding their OC donut steels.
>>580781987fair
>>580781680this shit looks like leveling gear in midnightabsolute 0 classic vibes from this image holy fuckskyborne toggle asap
>>580781680tell me how these clothes dont look like the ones you get when you insta boost your character in retail
>>580781814this game is dead to me then, i was looking forward to spending an hour up in a dungeon where every pack can wipe you if you dont use cc, unironically
>>580781680They just look like blue night elves
>osrs screenshot>you can instantly tell its osrs>rs3 screenshot>you can instantly tell its rs3>wow forever screenshot????
>>580781783I just figured it's classic+ essentially and people are already bored of the warrior glazing in 'nilla. I guess we'll see though. Warlocks don't seem to have that much new stuff so might be somewhat underplayed
>>580781680this is 100% retail shit
>>580782004personally I would've liked pandaren with an older classic-style model much more than sky elves, but I know I'm in the minority and it probably would have been just as much of a shitshow
>>580781680why are you posting shadowlands screenshots here?
>>580781131You're high if you think LoZ competes with WoW.
>>580782382
>>580781680Without a doubt the worst part that they've added.Looks like hideous retail shit, I genuinely don't understand how they can stand in front of an audience and just blatantly lie.
Why is shipping for the EU collector edition 200 € on a 150 € game (wanted to check the price because I like the statue)?
tyler1 doing a lot of heavy lifting for the testosterone in that room
>>580785110they build the ship for you
>>580785198i almost didn't think this would be true because of the lazy elf reskin race but then i remembered that's all retail does... fucking hell
should i make a forsaken paladini've never played pally before this is my chance
>>580786540You would be playing a horde character so no.
>>580786540>forced to heal the classdo you like forced feminization? if yes its the class for you
>>580789727I can be rexar? day 0 orc hunters lets go
>>580789727Paladin looks like shit, mage is boring, the rest is cool
