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fun factnobody gives a shit outside of two retardsstop making new threads
Thoughts?
>>580851075bad
post your favorite mods, mine arehttps://mods.factorio.com/mod/estrogen-modhttps://mods.factorio.com/mod/estrogen-factoryhttps://mods.factorio.com/mod/pride-beacons
I have doubts this patch can even support 12 belts
>>580851075greek filename
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>>580853513>faggotry engine
what am I in for
Importing designs from SA to SE is quite fun, I can finally replace this shit with EM plants. They will also make modules so free
>>580856341modules in SA are literally ten times cheaper than in vanilla, I can't imagine how insane EM plants would be for SE.Legit progression-breaking stuff
>>580857785>progression-breaking stuffgoodfuck earendelI do not respect him
I have been commiting MineMogul autismMy basic conclusions are:1. When gems are not required, ONLY use fast miners2. Do NOT crush your coal before washing, as you lose out on rubies for a miniscule gain on diamonds (with a net loss)3. Gold is the only metal where wire coils are more valuable per ingot than anything else (due to pipes and threaded rods being 'realistically' useless and less valuable)Addendum: I THINK it's more valuable to put coal into shaker tables than using it for steel, since you use quite a lot. Also it would be a horrendous pain in the ass to calculate so go figure that one out for yourself if you seriously disagree>>580854806Good puzzle design, low IQ requirement for working solutions but very high ceiling to go with it. Also the (unintrusive) story is fun, very autistic main characterDefinitely one of the most accessible Zachs
>>580857954If you couldn't tell, that top right table is where you put in numbers for any given vein. The overall results are the same for anything you'll see ingame, none of them have a high enough gem chance to make a difference.The sheet does look a bit silly for coal-only veins though since the outputs go flat between products and metals
>>580857954Aren't gems always required? Not for the next unlock, but there's a huge order at the very end of like 2K each.I'm not sure at all about focusing on the money side, when all the new tech is locked behind specific deliveries.
>>580853513What's the extension for these again?
>>580861854Nevermind it seems to just work natively with the extension now?
didn't realize i needed to send a satellite to launch the rocket
>>580853513feeling a little retarded, which should one optimize for?
>>580863789you optimize for one, then other, then the thirdclaim all leaderboard spots with separate solutions
>>580863789
>>580863742You don't need to, but it's much more fun to. You can also do at least one research with the white science if you do>>580863789Optimizing for cycles is probably the most fun.
>>580863789cycles, then try to optimize on cost and/or area without compromising on cycles
>>580860468They don't quite reach 2k, but yeah you do need a lot - personally I've made a habit of stockpiling them as soon as I can afford not to sell them (doesn't take that long to get ot that point) then fully replacing them once I'm there.The REAL bottleneck for valuables is those fucking celestite geodes.
Processor 1, optical fiber and titanium stuff finishedI also improved aluminium and iron productionI still need to upgrade silica and polycrystalline silicon production for this to reach full output and then propane at some point, it's bottlenecking my epoxy production
>>580864094here we gooooooo
>>580864897Good job anon.Also fwiw, making better prod modules for your rocket silo literally pay for themselves within a single launch - good to know for going forward.
I'M FREEEEEEEEEEEE
What a fun game, good thing i have now finished and will move on with my life :^)
>>580863789Speed is the only choice that mattersPrice is the only thing buyers care about
>>580865236I assume speed would also factor into the price somehow. Factory maintenance, wages and the like.
>>580865221get spage.
>>580866317eventuallyi have a busy term, and i want to play transport fever 3
>>580866191We just don't know enough about how the alchemy machine is deployed in production to make an informed economic decision.
>>580865136Why is it such peak feeling be it in SE or SA to get into space for the first time?
>>580866191Speed is actually very difficult to optimize my brain right now can only operate within a single arm, collision with multiple arm is kicking my ass
is SA compatible with SEcan I do K2SOSASE onlygleba
>>580869060It is. With this mod.https://mods.factorio.com/mod/se-ssa-i-2It is very fucking cool>can I do K2SOSASE onlyglebaNo idea try it
>>580869315I was checking and there's a specific incompatibility with SA and SE, that's kinda gaeDefinitely not an option thenthat one's interesting for a K2SE run for 2.1 though, but onlygleba has a strong SA dependency, on top of spaced out having a SA dependency already and fixing SA stuff with k2, while I'm not a fan it's still enough of a QoL to keep aroundthings WILL break even if I force those out
>>580869832I literally linked you the mod that makes it work. How else would I obtain this image then?
>>580870287anonwhat your mod does is follow the SE SA incompatibility by introducing smaller, modular mods that add the same content SA doesyou will see that the mod you linked is, as a matter of fact, incompatible with SA as a wholefor a good reason, because it adds SA *without* adding SAit's basically bypassing it to make sure to go through the SE checks while still adding the other stuffnow the issue lies in the fact that the other space age mods do require base space age (which again, is marked as an incompatibility) you see what I mean?The guy went out of his way to make sure to enable SA *features* in a base factorio environmentI'm sure it worksI'm just saying it is not going to be compatible with SA properas in, try to install any SA-only mod in your save and that will not workonlygleba is a SA mod
>>580863742>>580865136can you please put that rock out of its misery? it's suffering.
>>580870287Clearly ai generated
>>580870801Because they use SA planets and SA universe while SE is an overhaul on its own. You can however play SE with stuff from SA (minus planets and spaceships)
>>580872596Yep, and to answer my question I cannot do onlyglebaK2SOSASE. I can however do K2SASE without spaced out integration, which is still pretty cool.
Station designs for the megabase
>>580873590Man I really love the extra wide hazard around the locomotives.
>>580873828Yeah, I didn't plan for it but it does look nice. I think I will adjust other designs to match this style too.
I like how clean the dead end stations look, stackers are ugly.
>>580878473That design's gonna need a stacker for getting 4 stacked green belts out of 2 wagons though.
>>580878473>>580879071What if I did two parallel stations that take trains alternatively? I also hate how much space stackers take, so I delegated them only to the most high throughput stations.
>lemme see if I can turret creep before they get in my pollution cloudYeah that's not gonna happen.Time to plant down some turrets to the northern front, then go and get some jellynuts from the south to feed my boilers until project greenhouse is a go.
oh jesus what do you mean MEDIUM STOMPERWHY IS HE IN MY POLLUTION CLOUD THERE SHOULD BE NO NESTS HERE
>>580880626That can work, but it will also matter how far away your provider stations are. A huge benefit of stackers are how they ameliorate the distance between source and destination.You can use them as pseudo-stackers by having them be an intermediary depot, but that also looks kind of ugly imo (you'll also have a bit more delay since they'll have to clear the whole T-intersection before the other one can leave).
>>580877984My stations are boring as fuck currently. I do want to make them look better but being that I'm placing everything by hand efficiency takes priority still here.
>>580881954alright, he got in and wrecked my shit, reloaded a 5 minute old autosave and that just disappearedit'll hold until it won't, and by then I'll be able to move back down anyway, the pollution cloud will have dissolved
Oh god now I see itI shouldn't have cleared those biter nests half an hour agoI need to fuck off right nowget those fucking modules researched before I'm dead
>>580883997>"2.1 nest creep isn't bad">the 2.1 nest creep5 fucking nests *inbetween* the biter nestsI guess this was the alternative reality in which I didn't actually delete thoseand they still spawn those in because I think pentapods don't count biter nests and vice versait's beautiful I'm not complaining, I'm enjoying myself mind you, I think K2 weaponry is already overpowered to hell and back so I stand a chance at even killing small stompers with default k2 turrets if push comes to shoveanyway managed to get speed modules unlocked, move down to the south and then just kinda work my way around pollution reduction around my factory
>>580851075It's fun.
finallyI didn't wanna splurge out on the extra 300 red&green for medium poles and the red belt so this is actually suboptimal but it will have to do for nowwhich is good because there's a pentapod nest just a couple chunks below this setup
what happened here?
>>580901362have you ever read strega nona
>>580901362Thanks doc
>>580901362Thanks doc.
>>580901362Looks as if there's a guy in there absorbing lines of power before exploding
>>580901362thanks doc
>>580863789Bell curved answer is cycles, the secret chad one is instruction count and design time, you want to be a great alchemist, not just make great solutions.The height of skill in this game is making a solution that does different things merely by cycling upon itself, although that isn't possible for most solutions.
>>580901362danke doktor
>>580901362cosmo & wanda think they slick
>>580901362you enabled LSD mode
Good morning /egg/. I have a huge itch to buy Alchemy Factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abrWwpGX_6Ui found something for you ashtray guy
Okay, red and green science done. So far have not been attacked by the natives, probably because of the fuck ton of trees between me and them, but I should probably go kill at least the nearest bases pretty soon
Whiskerwood still on sale, but not for much longerSeems /egg/ like but I'm not fully convinced, anyone else?
So what this thing does is make it so making a creature in a lab requires the arthurian codex instead of requiring the creature's respective codex, right?
Purging kludge and inefficiency at the same time.I'M in control now.
sure wish i had any way to turn gasoline into electricity because i have a shitton of one and not nearly enough of the other
>>580925876Once you get Intermetallics you can burn fluids for power, but that needs Py1 and quite a bit of extra resources, though. You can get gas furnaces immediately after Py1, thoughI get you though, it's a pond full of 1.2 MJ fuel sitting there uselessly and venting piss lake is painful considering what a pain early power generation is for Py
>>580927154Speaking of Py1Oh my goooooooooood
>>580923012nah, the recipe changes are just making it slightly more annoying to produce creature chambersthe actual benefit is the leftmost icon on the turd, the 10x speed multiplier to chamber
damn I'm not made for this..
>>580927523nicei'm not that far off, just need to decide how hard i want to go on an initial vrauk build and then handle the rest of latexand i guess basic substrate but that stuff is free
>>580930039Programming long sequences like that is tedious and not very fun.Basic solutions just have a 4 long loop on every arm.pic unrelated
>>580868223I don't know that feel bro.
>>580930897I need to learn how to do this
>>580921624Beware that as you kill the biters they will evolve more quickly than if you leave them alone.
Oh, so steel furnaces still need coal. Is there any reason I should swap to them or should I just hold out for electric furnaces?
>>580936751They're twice as fast as regular furnaces and use the same amount of coal.
>>580936751If you swap your belts to red and your furnaces to steel you get double the throughput without having to change the layout, electrics are larger so you need to rebuild to make use of them.
>>580930039You don't have to place all reagents.
So according to the graph, i'm mad retarded
>>580946758what's that, the gachimuchi molecule
>>580937031use double coalall it does is save space
>>580937031ah, but they give half as much pollution.
i am so starved for stonethis is going to continue to be the case for another several hundred hours
>>580948893I get that. I built a dedicated bit for stone and I keep using all the stone byproducts and still can starve myself.My current pain is fish. I'm using so much goddamn tin to make all of the rail signals.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1289990/Alans_Automaton_Workshop/gem, perhaps?
>>580952113I don't see any gems what are you on about
The concept I was working with my onlygleba build is pretty simplebecause of how it's coded, in the "old" way where spores would be absorbed by plants, onlygleba technically lets you create pollution absorption zones a la nauvis as you would with treesthis is what I did in my previous onlygleba run, only the game had default settings, so my boompuffs would absorb a ton of pollutionthis is greatly fucked by death world settings, because pollution is much harder to get rid of through natural means and by default, you can get only around ~9 pollution/min with a fully enclosed chunkthose chunks are also inaccessible because you're fully, manually planting them in each available walkable tile and those plants to take damage, differently from nauvis trees thoughthey don't "get damaged" but they straight up die (get deleted from the map) once they reach a specific, arbitrary amount of pollution absorbed, the equivalent it would get to kill a tree in the meantime, I think, or something morethey last quite a while but they need to be replanted, basicallydon't get me wrong 9/m is pretty good, on death world water averages at 1.5/m per chunk of full wateralso harvesting the plants creates the same amount of pollution you would do harvesting a yumako or jellynut, it's 15 spore/pollution per harvestI was using stingfrond because they're actually the easiest option to propagate, as they get their own artificial soil and the nettles you get from them rot into their own seed and you always get more than you started withslipstack polyps are also good but they require 100 spoilage on average for a seed, which makes them very unviable early onbut the main issue is that while this strat is perfectly viable, if time consuming, it uses an entire chunk for a 9 pollution per minute reductiona singular greenhouse with 3 speed modules gives 12.5 reduction in a 7x7 footprint, or 5 without, so 2 unprodded greenhouses rival thatwould definitely work better with default settings
also I'm sorry*what*
>>580954757yeah this mod's a little half-baked reallylike let's ignore the elephant in the room of the burning bush grown in a greenhouse from wood and wateryou can grow slipstacks in it to make infinite stone from water as wellI'll just ignore these recipesanother reason why I lament the fact that recipe editor is 2.0 only stillthere's even an actual researchable recipe to grow the yumako and jellynut inside the greenhousethat one is just hella gayyou're removing all the challenge from glebawhoever coded this is a fucking pansy
>>580955241Removing the challenge from Gleba is a common mod theme
>>580956663but gleba is ez
>>580917291very strange. it makes the same weird builds/mistakes that the twitch guy's (danielv1234) astra did>buildings always separated by one tile>mining drills connected to their own personal belts feeding into "main" belts>belts interrupted by random inserters>overusing logistics botsand many others i'm sure. it just looks so eerily similar to the previous playthrough
i think i will try a train world and go for the "lazy bastard" achievement
>>580958848Good luck and have fun
>>580958972>>580958848i'm not touching the space age DLC for now, quite enjoying the base game and the reasonable scope. eventually want to try a death worldbut do most people never actually get far in this game?
How is opus magnum suppose to help me at my day job? Because I'm bad at both
>>580959034Many achievements were only added later on. Older players all use QoL mods at the very least, which doesn't let you earn them.
>>580959034>but do most people never actually get far in this game?I genuinely and literally never found a reason to use a spidertron, even in space age for the most partboth navuis and gleba are solved through artillery and they are fully stationary, there is no reason to have anything that moves on ground with its own roboport, short of having train outposts on nauvisI tried to make one after gleba, and I was like "okay but why"the space map interface is clunky as hell, if I could actually use the spidertron to \interface\ as if I was there on the planet then I'd get it at least, but as is, it's just an expensive roboport on legs that can shoot rockets if you fucked up something
>>580959618Artillery needs more logistic investment and building rail to work properly, spidertrons just need to be built in a mall and they solve the bugs forever.
>>580961173>Artillery needs more logistic investment and building rail to work properlyfock you on aboot
>>580959121no
>>580952113Is the maidbot fuckable?
>>580976781DON'TDATEROBOTS
>>580979250Nobody said anything about dating
>>580959618spidertron giving you flying movement was really nice but now you get that off armor anyway so it' a lot lessstill really nice if you wanna manually clear nests lategame for some unknown reasonyou can't deploy spidertrons on platforms, right?
>>580979250
>>580959121Opus magnum helps you realize you're too retarded for your day job.
>>580976781
>>580981352nope
>build 1k base>check stats>it does 300
>>5809949471K isn't that much all things considered
>>580994947learn to build yourself instead of plopping down blueprints you dont understand
>>580959618I use spidertrons for building and clearing. Artillery has too short of range. Roboports take way too long to build out to the sizes of territories that I like to control. Spidertrons are cheap and you can make groups of them so that they can carry far more inventory and build far faster than the player can.
>>580994947Why is it not doing more? It sounds like there should be clear problems that you can fix.
>>581002801arty range bonuses from research and quality multiply each other
>>581002914>from research and qualityOkay but I don't have those yet so for now the spidertron is a better choice. I will probably switch to artillery later but for now it's just easier and faster to use spidertrons.
being this close to this much of a threat is giving me an ulcer
what's the fun in having bugs if you can't even kill em?
>>580959121You're writing algorithms basicallyIf youre not a programmer then too bad i guess
The gachas did this.
>>581013384I don't know, quality has kind of grown in me.
New silica production was the straw that broke my power gridGuess it's time to upgrade my power production, since I already have a lot of them in storage I'll just spam wind turbines 2 for now
Well the good thing is that with krastorio weaponry it is definitely doablethe bad thing is that those are medium stompers and I only have damage upgrade and speed 2, and my ammo is sourced out of fucking manually dug out rocks at the momentand before blue science the ore recipes are absolute garbagio because you only get 1 plate out of 2 ore so that doubles my demand by defaultanyway I got bored of playing optimally because it's annoying and what I'm thinking is I need to start finding a way to automate ores without creating a fuckhuge pollution cloud before k2's air filters, which are too far ahead, and if push comes to shove I'll try to kill a few nests
Wind is ridiculously efficient in Nullius
>>581025464when it winds
In theory, this should workgreenhouse into wood, wood gets turned into seeds and then is burnt for 100 kj, much more pollution efficient than getting rid of the wood altogethernet -30 pollution/min, so the equivalent of two harvested jellynuts a minute (15/plant)for 1 yellow belt of plates I need around 100 a minutethe setup is compact enough that if I manage to find a good enough chunk I should be able to double the jellynut production and the pollution removal, to get a red belt of iron plates yumako is 200/min so that's 4 plants, which means that I'm capped at a yellow belt of plates even on a perfect chunk, but still, this is way better than I thought I'm going to start this run over and not to batch crafting like a fucking animal and stop harvesting stromatolites, and just focus on the bare minimum of unlocking and making 50 speed modules and then do this
>>581029936I haven't played space age yet (playing a mod stuck on 1.1), but isn't the time based evolution factor on gleba a lot higher than nauvis? Playing it slow and steady seems like it'll leave you with your pants down when shit hits the fan.
Steel production now underway. Despite lack of intentional design, I was able to route all the raw materials up through the portions of the machine that make red and green science. I should probably make more effort to design it intentionally that way going forward.
Managed to make an actual Waterdam powerplant in Timberborn,
i forgot how absurdly slow the initial population of any species isguess i'll set up the rest of latex while i wait for bugs to fuckseriously it's like six minutes for two vrauks, populating the second hatching pen takes half an hour
>>581051410Getting the first round of the modules for any of the buildings is pain.
>>581051410you py players are crazy
>>581051410Yeah. I set up Vrauks the second I had titanium plates. I'm actually setting up Dig-o-saurs right now after getting Py1, even though those aren't nearly as bad since they're nonconsumable. I still have my Vrauk synthesis setup which uses the same materials except the fucking absurd amount of salineI should set up another stone mine but...I don't wanna
>>581051410>guess i'll set up the rest of latex while i wait for bugs to fuckstatements dreamed up by the utterly deranged
>>581056435>I set up Vrauks the second I had titanium plates.that probably woulda been smart>stone minesthey're easy actually just burn kerogen to turn kerogen into shale oil then throw that oil in a hole in the groundi only set this one up because my starter stone mine was so dry i ran completely out of bricks
>>581059581you'll be glad to know i have roughly one quarter of the modules i need, which means roughly half the time i need to wait has elapsed>>581055669moss, sap, seaweed, and trees all weren't too terrible. moondrops were annoying but no worse, but mostly i didn't need that many of themthe real fuckery is when arqads show up
It's outhttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4190240/Nuclear_Design_Bureau/
>>581032107gleba enemies are only attracted to spores, which are only emitted by farms. Given they're on the edge of your base normally, worst case they kill them and you rebuild with your seed stockpile.
>>581032107That is the other reason why I'm restarting, on top of this behemoth enemies makes the clock harsher as well, and I think it might be compounding with death world toobut also no matter how you look at it pentapods will expand with the new 2.1 mechanics and just lightly grazing a nest with the tiniest bit of fart in their general direction will bring an enemy whose SMALL version has the more HP than a default behemoth biter by the time you have access to yellow ammo alone without damage upgrades. Or flamethrowers. Or anything really. So it pays to just try to negate your pollution cloud.I was getting medium stompers at <20% evo from the egg rafts, so predictably angering *any* pentapod nest is a bad idea, and they do not respect biter nests for spawning conditions, so just leaving the biter nests while removing pentapod ones to get an "easier" enemy is not an option either.I was trying to look around and I was trying to find out ways to negate pollution in default onlygleba (other than planting entire chunks of trees to act as a shield like I did last time because that won't fly in death world) and I just realized that moduled (and beaconed, I guess) biochambers actually suck up quite a lot of pollution, which might be the more orthodox solution later on.
>>581032107But yeah it should go without saying that this is a modded game and default gleba does not A) need this much thoughtB) work like this at allBut theoretically, you get the option to do something similar in base SA (modded etc etc, this only works with onlygleba) but it will be egregiously hardera biochamber with tier 3 prod modules will suck up 6 pollution a minute each, using 1 jellynut harvest, turning it into spoilage and then turning that spoilage into nutrientsbut that only achieves a net zero, you use 15 pollution to suck up 15 pollution (spoilage to nutrients machine runs for 1.5 minutes tier 3 modules aren't hard to make on gleba, with biters on but I'll have to think of something smarterI think delivering a sacrificial batch of bioflux to turn into nutrients and turning said nutrients into spoilage with tier 3 prod mods would gives a much better yield but it would complicate the build something fierce
finished the tutorialnow i just need to find anything at all to get me out of low power hellsurely all these new power options will save me>every single thing is locked behind intermetallicssurely geothermal will save metomorrow, anyway
>>581064596also: my next steel recipe isn't until fucking logi science. this recipe sucks so much man. at least i have a more direct coke option nowalso getting vrauks up means i have the best animal in the gamecaravans will fix everything
>>581063985I guess you could use tree seeds, those are a biochamber option that only requires wood, which does not create pollution when harvestedonly a default agritower can only plant a theoretical maximum of 47 trees every ten minutes, and a single biochamber with tier 3 prod mods to slow it down and make it fatter will make 45 seeds a minute, which kind of defeats the purpose of having the biochamber run continuously to clear the airI guess nutrients from biter eggs could be an option actuallyNutrients from biter eggs yields around ~900 nutrients a minute for each bioflux used, which is outrageously good, and you're always going to have excess eggs anyway. Which means you can really just belt those nutrients to let them spoil and turn that spoilage into nutrients continuously, with a biochamber requiring 45.5 nutrients a minutethat means that you can supply and ship enough nutrients, with a singular bioflux, mind you, that do not need to survive the trip in the first place, almost 20 biochambers! That can remove a total of 120 pollution, which means that this process is fully scalable for onlygleba by default and might actually be better than my current greenhouse setup and completely kosher for an onlygleba regular run Which is great. But it's still past blue science. So you're kind shit out of luck until then.
>>581064596grats anon>surely all these new power options will save meliquid boilers from acetylene are a decent py1 option, geothermal is much better, and when geothermal runs out you're going to use a shitton of t1 coal plants until you can actually use the more serious oil plants, but that's much later on in the line>caravans will fix everythingcaravans are criminally underutilized in the py community, especially after the interrupt and general buffseveryone uses trains and makes gigantic basesmeanwhile you can keep it local with caravans and get rewarded for your smaller footprint
>>581064596Tiny amounts of intermettalics. Maybe just hand-feed enough for one stack and get power solved.
>>581066349>Tiny amounts of intermettalicsit's more being concerned with the metals i need for it but haven't set up yetthat said it looks like that's only nexelit and antimony, which are both some effort but not too terribleand nickel but nickel's completely freeit'll probably destroy my aluminum supply but whatever
>>581067553oh you shouldn't worry about intermetallicsyou should worry about mechanical parts
>>581067553Aluminium is also free, outside of pyblock. Mined with coal gas and smelted with power.Nexelit can be gained from tailings evaporation (in these amounts), if you don't feel like setting up dino genetics yet. Antimony needs a ton of burnable fluid.
>>581068104Well yeah but if you're just setting up the first coal or whatever powerplant, they can be hand-crafted.
>>581068104mechanical parts need fish oil and batteries so i'm not even beginning to think about that shit yet>>581068178aluminum is free but my setup for it is tiny, is all. conveniently, intermetallics also provides an excuse to swap to the next version>burnable fluidthe gigantic holes in the ground full of shale oil fractions and gasoline mean i'm feeling pretty comfortable on that at the momentwe'll see how long it lasts
>>580987553If she told him not to, doesn't it make that rape? Or at least improper use of industrial vehicles.
>>581068672She warned him that it's gonna rip his dick off. That's not saying no.
>>580946809
>>580946758>Rail section unused>Turns, using massive amount of space and requiring an extra step to rotate the chain back instead
>>581071232I'm coming to terms with my stupidity, I tell myself maybe its bc of how warm it is lately
>i'll try the rail world, and go for lazy bastard!>spawn in desertfuck
where should i build my main bus?current base is just some bullshit to get me to the car so i can scout and take out the bugz
>>581075478don't bus, just rail
>>581073503I had to start playing that to see what the big deal is. But I don't get it - am I supposed to optimize for area, speed, or cost? Which one is the most important? So far I try to optimize for speed.
>>581080561>Which one is the most importantthe one you love
at which point do I decide it's not worth collecting more? I've been getting a lot of rocks by scraping the bottom of the iron coal copper and it slows my factory...
>>581086297looks like you have a whole mountain of the stuff left? don't scrape the bottom until you're done with that.
>>581087348I thought if I could get to the bottom and fill it as I advance in the mountain i'd make more space to build and it'd take less time to fill back. I guess I can also get some more excavators, I've been holding back to avoid fuel/maintenance crisis but I should be fine for a while now
>>581086297Well for starters you could start digging only where there's ore left instead of dredging up the whole pit.Use the terrain inspector to see at which height most of the ore is, dig to that level and then start picking leftovers by only digging on the ore spots. It's more micro-intensive but at least you don't flood your sorter with stone.Another option is to set up two different digging teams: one that focuses on the easy ore and the other that focuses on removing the bulk of stone and dirt so that ore is easier to dig for the first team. If you play with unloading priorities on the stone storage you can quickly get rid of unwanted materials pretty quickly and use them for quicker land reclamation or new farmland for example.Anyway I don't understand why you are scraping the bottom of the pit when there's a literal mountain of easy ore right next to it
>>581060354I'm at least the local pyblock player so some stuff that's normally not bad for others turns out to be repeated dick punching because it's roundabout and takes three times as long.
>>581086297I love this about CoIOne of the only games like this I've played that seriously punishes you for not doing cost analysisIf you think it's worth the time to get every little bit of ore out of a patch, the game naturally responds by forcing you to deal with an enormous amount of waste rockIn your case you could just not try to get every little bit and take the huge volume that is still there, and maybe not have such a goofy excavator to truck ratio too.
>>581090082>>581088929Please forgive me learning the basics, I'm trying my best. My interest there mainly was more should I dig the iron in the ramp or just ignore it and fill what I dug.I'm also focusing on digging the rest of the mountain, I thought maybe it's more efficient to dig from the bottom up and fill as I progress through it, but obviously not. I was low on space when I first started that mine but now I have plenty so it doesnt make sense anymore.What's a good ratio? Currently my iron mine has 3 excavator and 7 trucks. I didnt pay enough attention when replacing pickups by trucks
>>581092284Truck amounts should be based on how far the trucks have to drive to drop off their crap
>>581080561>Which one is the most importantBrain time.If it works it works, do next one.
>>581065818Not him but I'm in the same boat. I'm desperate to replace all my miners with electric ones but I don't have the power to support it. Is a geothermal plant going to be enough before I get intermetallics or should I wait until then to start refactoring my mines?
>>581092863geothermal will be plenty
>>581027585Yeah but fortunately it synergies well with solar collectors that can store heat, actual continuous capacity of my stirlings is actually only about 230 MW but I have enough heat storage to allow them to surge to 371 MW for a few minutes before they start dropping output and compressed nitrogen power storage worth about 130 GJ of electricity
>>581092284>>581092518this, start with two, so there's always one being loaded while the other fucks off to unloadIf you notice the excavator is waiting for an empty truck add one more
Does anyone still play Oxygen Not Included?
>beep beep>a new expansion has been made>check mapoh my god HOWyou're less than two fucking chunks awayyou are LITERALLY BUILDING NESTS ONE CHUNK AWAY FROM MY BUILDINGS
OH MY GOD THEY KEEP MAKING MORE
Ah fuck
>>581095647those oversized steel chests are so stupid
>>581095834they're called train wagons
Now I just need to get rid of unpackaged stuff>>581095834Yeah, they do look like ass but if I can unload into both near and far lane from one chest so easily I'm not going to pass on them
>>581096798the shit people will do not to use loaders
just finished The Crustnot recommended, it was closer to Surviving Mars than a real factory game, also quite buggy
>>581078324please explain.My plan was for rails to bring stuff to the bus
I feel like im leaving too much padding between my instructions
>>581101172Your idle arms could be starting on the next one...
>>581101172>>581101730if you run two exes can you work on another level while this one is still validating?
>>581102527I've been running from two of my exes asking for child support for years so yeah I think the precedent for it working is there
>>581101172are you using wait instructionsyou usually don't have use those
>>581086297I usually like to keep two sets of excavators, one to clear up crap on top and around and pave the way, another to dig into the chunk of the ore.Then I dig levels, usually 10 by 10 height, so the chunk excavators and dig into the bulk of the ore, until I reach the bottom.Obviously I think what you're missing is a big storage buffer so you can deal with the hiccups between digging.
>>581080561It lets you save multiple solutions for a reason.
New space nonsense boyshttps://store.steampowered.com/app/4871620/In_Control_Rocketry/
>>581108868it's just 2D ksp?
>>581108942KSP + circuit patching I think
I'm doing it, I'm putting quality modules inside scrap miners and scrap recyclers
>>581119248Don't do it. This creates mustard belts
>>581119248>inside scrap minershorrid idea>and scrap recyclersreasonable but be aware you'll end up voiding some of your holmium and ice will get more annoying to deal with
need to make>science runner>special gleba science runner>aquilo supplier>space science station>construction platform>promethium collector>(optional) quantum chip space fabricator>(optional) space platform foundation manufactory in space - only worth it if built before all the other platforms>already lost all interest in platforms after building my third one
>>581120737why miners would be bad? I basically get more quality items if the recyclers pick up quality scrap and those can be rolled for even higher quality too
>>581120737if you think it's reasonable in the recyclers, then you should also put it in the miners.
>>581121137I suspect he's worried about loading the mixed quality scrap into recyclers, inserters only pick up 1 at a time and then wait, unless you get more greens in a row or you override hand stack size to 1.
>>581121137>why miners would be bad?unless you're being a madman and doing sushi, recycling quality scrap will add extra overhead
>>581092284Trucks depend on how far they need to go.For low-volume resources like sand or limestone you can get away with one excavator and one truck, for higher volume stuff (iron and coal if you are still using it for power) start with two trucks per excavator and work from there.Build a loose storage right next to the ore sorter dedicated to whatever resource you want to mine and set a <75% alert on it, this will be your performance gauge for the whole mine. it should always be full or oscillating between full and above 75% anyway.If it drops below that (and it's not because you are flooding the sorter with unwanted resources) watch your excavators, if they spend a lot of time waiting for trucks to come back, then add trucks, otherwise add more excavators. On the other hand, if there's a line of trucks parked at the mine control tower full of ore that can't be dumped because the sorter is already full, then maybe send some of those trucks to do something else.If the buffer storage drains empty too quickly once a problem arises (maybe a temporary surge in ore consumption or trucks got stuck somewhere or too much stone is being mined), build more buffer and set the alert on the one at the start of the chain because that's the first one that drains.
>>581122404Overhead in what form? Seems like it would just give you another roll at higher quality coming out of the recyclers.
>>581122918How is limestone low-volume? You need it for concrete, iron, glass, tofu, exhaust filtration, water filtration, maybe even more. Sand too once you get into silicon electronics, you'll need more of it than iron.
>>581060889This is the one that almost got cancelled by glowies right?
>>581123005see >>581121682
3.30 hours in, we have achieved plantation statusit's yellow belts supplied by wood electric poles but I already set it up with red undergrounds (which were extremely expensive in my ore-less situation) for the future upgrade to red belts since the fruits lose ~5% due to spoilage on the trip alone with yellow belts, but againI have no fucking resources and I'm doing this to get someI can't even research radars so I plopped down a sentinel just to get an idea of what's going on in theresadly I am also way too poor to place the towers in a chunk properly because I have no access to enough landfill or seeds so my pollution removal is going to be relatively spottyI will have to test just how bad it is
>>581123307It's used in a lot of stuff but it doesn't mean it's high volume, in fact it's used in tiny quantities in pretty much everything besides glass manufacturing, and concrete is only used for construction supplies meaning they get consumed in highly irregular bursts. Absolutely nowhere near the same league as iron, plus the anon I was responding to seems to be still in early-mid game so it's completely pointless to talk about all the late-game uses for limestone.I've gotten to a 5k pop island and purple science with a single T2 excavator and a single yellow truck without ever needing to upgrade. It's not a megabase but everything that needs limestone is using it and yet my buffer is always full.
>>581123307>tofu
>>581125525tastes the same
>>581124941it does do a fair job but it need to be put in the chunk with the most plants, which means I need an assload of stone, which I mostly got from stromatolites and creates a fair amount of pollution for fucking 0.5/s per electric miner for 7.5 pollution, which right now feels like a fucking crimeI'm already stretched thin on the means to reduce itI might need to go unga bunga and mine some rocks manually like a caveman again, although I already cleared the entire area around my "base"
>>581126180as limestone? yeah, agreed.
Flybrain plays Factorio when?
>>581124941That looks brutally hard. What are you going to do if the stompers decide to?
>>581133708i'm already playing!
>>581135970Die. Most likely just reload though.For the moment, I'm just using my meager resources and abusing greenhouses with speed modules to make their pollution absorption scale up by how much energy they consume to have guerrilla mining operations. You can see here I have a few nest literally one chunk away and they're chill. This is the strat behind the entire run, later on I'll have access to air purifiers from krastorio, which need to be topped with biomass to be used again. Thankfully spaced out adds a recipe to grind biter eggs and pentapod eggs into biomass as well in a crusher, so those are going to be the future instead of making trees and stashing them in a box.
>>581138052Biters too, on Gleba? That's crazy.
>>581135970nta but it's K2 so bullet damage is doubled, multiplicatively with both the vanilla research bonuses. Gets pretty ridiculous when turrets have by far the highest raw DPS even in vanilla. Only held back by flat armor damage reduction, which this lets you easily bypass. Need to rush physical damage upgrades. With just grey science (bullet damage 4) it should take under 200 shots for a small stomper, which is a split second with multiple turrets.
>>581138608Nauwhatnow? Never heard of it. There's https://mods.factorio.com/mod/onlyGleba>>581139006That and the new turrets and the access to the biter/pentapod extermination tech is one of the reasons why I wanted to do onlygleba deathworld with behemoth stompers for 2.1k2 on its own is just not interesting enough and there's no reason to use the weapons it gives youtechnically speaking this is more or less easymodo with how much I'm abusing pollution reduction from k2 greenhouses, although I was originally planning on just planting a fuckton a' gleban trees like last time to do the sameonly wish there was a way to add demolishers to the mix
>>581128936Stop licking limestone.
This might be a problem.
>>581144098that's a lot of pressure
>>581144398You're a big guy.
Why the fuck is laying pavement bottom priority. I swear I've been waiting for this shit for years>Pavement doesn't matter that muchIT DOES TO ME
>>581152695Stop adding new tasks until it's done?
Good morning /egg/, i just started playing this and it's one of the coziest games ever.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4435340/Anymaker/Stormwanks 2I hate the lighting.
When will we be able to adapt this technology to control biters in Factorio?https://hae.satoru.net/ningen/
>>581152695>beautifying that early onI hope you're ready to tear everything down and make everything again a couples times over.Also if its taking too long maybe you just doesn't have enough enough of everything?That being said, neat road design
>>581171427Yeah man I play Factorio but I want it now. And I have plenty of concrete because it only gets used up for basic building materials and that's all belted
>>581172029>I have plentyNot really, but seems like you have the production capacityI'd more worried about Oil, unpause your fucking research and rush the midtier tech already.
i really want long inserters but they're all the way behind rubber
too stupid for these polymers
>>581175467It's worth it. You should be making almost everything already anyway, so it's not that much more to actually get the rubber.I'm currently working my way to a super simple auog setup so I can get a few batteries to get robots so I can stop placing everything by hand for a minute. I'm going nuts doing it.
>>581162212Oh yeah forgot it hit 1.0 a few days ago. Surprisingly solid factory game where you can make some really cool looking compact designs. It even had more QoL features when it entered early access than Satisfactory had in its lifetime, then again that's a really low bar.Though I was pretty disappointed when I realised the whole shop and money mechanic quickly becomes irrelevant. At first I assumed you had to consider cost against ease of building.....but no, you drown in money no matter what. There's a reputation system that increases by having a large variety of products in stock.....except reputation only increases sales, and the biggest money drain is making products to sell.....so what's the point again? There are also random delivery quests which does nothing except waste your time fetching random stuff; unless you're doing the achievement to beat the game without ever opening shop there's no reason to bother with them except the few that unlock stuff.It also has my least favourite feature of factory games where things you make are quickly rendered irrelevant by the next tier of things you unlock later. Yeah I totally love spending effort to make a good design only to tear it down two hours later.
>>581176209>rubber is behind intermetallics but neither the heavy oil refinery nor cracker actually need any to makennneat. there's the small issue of latex supply of course, but the titanium and aromatics are more than plenty
In COI is there any way to restrict certain types of crap for a landfill zone? I'd rather this ramp be made of dirt or rock rather than garbage.
>electric miners sure are less of a giant fucking pain with ash, i wonder how long it is still i get electric fluid minersfffffucking chemical science. okay py whatever fuck you
>>581179874>there's the small issue of latex supply of courseHave you not automated py science1? That's where I stole my supply from.>rubber is behind intermetallicsIntermetalics looked really painful but it actually wasn't that bad in the end I feel?>>581181930You must learn to love ash.
>>581182089if by love you mean give up on storing it and start throwing it all into ash separation, then throw the results of that into burners and hope it doesn't jam due to coal dust going in both the burn slot and the fuel slot and running out>wasn't that badit probably won't be, i just need to address this minor problem before i can get to work on miningpy1 is very automated, it's just that it's not producing all that much latex as is and any i pull off comes at the cost of a bunch of sciencei guess it's fine if it's going towards buildings though
>>581183563i forgot to include the minor problem in question
>>581183563>if by love you mean give up on storing it and start throwing it all into ash separation,Unfortunately for you I am the local pyblock player. So ash is actually a sacred substance for me and has been a cornerstone of my base for the last 300 odd hours.>it's just that it's not producing all that much latexI did build for about 8 science a minute, so it might be a bit small, but I also let some build up because I knew I needed it for other stuff eventually too.>>581183742You seem to be heavily lacking in fish. I have a extra digit of steam engines and double that in fish. I had to expand them hard to keep up with my base.Also have my fun journey to get bots because I couldn't put up with placing shit by hand anymore.
how many logi & construction bots should you have
>>581181930...Electric fluid miners are also py1. Are you playing hard mode or something?
>>581185119ohno i'm just retarded and can't read, i thought i saw it in the red cluster of mining machines 3alright cool that makes a bunch of stuff suck less
>>581183742that's betteri have two more hotspots available but i'm out of steel again and also sleepy so that can wait for tomorrow
>>581121682Word of wisdom from underwater fulgora -always use stack inserters, this way thrasher will pick up at least 4 items, not one.
>>581120737>voiding some of your holmium Why voiding? You use higher quality holmium to craft higher quality items like blue sticks.
>>581165279when they have enough compute in a home pc to wrangle it. but by that time they can just bruteforce making over 9000 biters attack at once.and still retards will QQ about MUH UPS EFFICIENCY build habbits.
>>581188468holmium ore turns into fluid firstyou can still use quality ones if you have enough quality stone to match it, I wouldn't throw it away
>>581188284I mean,when putting items to belts, not when taking them out
>>581188587it's annoying to deal with quality requests
>>581190012nta, Depends on your setup. I have one line for standard quality, and one line for higher quality. Static recipes, not changing on demand (possible, but too annoying, yes)
>>581184932You can see how many logi bots are occupied at any time. If all of them are, then build more. If a lot of them are waiting to charge, build more ports. Construction bots are just vibes. You really dont need a lot of them but a huge swarm helps if you are deconstructing a lot of belts with stuff on them.
>>581192068>You can see how many logi bots are occupied at any timehow?
Actually what's the best way to deal with fields? One field for one product? Or should I rotate products between fields and filter out the products on their way to processing
>>581192716mouse over the roboport
>>581193041oh, that
>>581192779Or maybe one field for two product and the processing facilities right next to it?
>>581179972Yes, do you even game?
>>581192779>>581193774Fields always need rotation or they a huge fertility penalty, and as you get better fields you can pretty can a whole lot of production in them, and usually end up with more than one product or another that you can handle.For this reason people (me included) usually prefer to have them be served by trucks only and let them decide wherever to go, specially because there are a lot of cross recipes where they used in and including serving your markets.Of course one can get creative, use sorting, or perhaps products one bulk/box per field
>>581192779Definitely use crop rotation, start with two products and add as required. You can even mix in green manure to intentionally reduce the amount of crops produced to fine tune your needs.You need to remember a few things:- food demand is split equally among all food categories and it's then split again within each category.- when you add a new food source in a category you already have foods for, the demand for all other foods in the same category goes down but the rest is unchanged- when you add a new food category that was previously unused, the demand for all other categories goes down- rotating multiple crops in the same field is always more efficient than planting a single crop with green manure mixed in, and it's massively more efficient than just planting a single crop with no rotation at allIf you want the flexibility to adjust which crop is planted where and in which quantity in the future, you need to funnel all your foods in the same processing area and then make sure all excess is dealt with somehow. The easiest thing to do is to just dump all excess into a digester, but later on you will unlock more uses for excess food that will allow you to make more food types.If you use belts (highly recommended) then use splitters and sorters to always prioritise food to the settlement and then filter the overflow to be further treated and then eventually recycled. The important bit is the recycling, if it can't keep up the overflow belts will eventually clog and potentially stop certain foods from being delivered to your population.
>>581196398>>581196054it's because i wanted to make some gas for my concrete production with the excess food that I wanted to belt it all, I dont want to starve my people obviously. Although I guess using priority levels would suffice
/egg/bros please give me your advice. I'm playing Factory Town 2. I've figured out there's two ways to play this game:1) focus your entire worker population on your starting island and make the smaller satellite islands production-exclusive and just bring the goods back to the main island to sell but now your workers have to commute and spend most of their waking-hours traveling and the zipline pathfinding kinda sucks2) maintain a fraction of your population on each island so workers are closer to their jobs but now you have to deal with the logistics of transferring every single good you produce to every other island you colonize (there are 7 islands in total) in order to keep their happiness up (no happiness = no more workers)what's the least painful way of approaching this? thank you!
The first nuclear freighter is operational for my 10x science runI'll probably have one running between Nauvis and each other planet, and one doing a big round going Vulcanus -> Nauvis -> Fulgora -> Aquilo -> Gleba repeat so a total of 5 freighters will be needed. It would get everything where it needs to go, even bioflux to Vulcanus for better oil processing.
>>581198661Also I'm not running out of fuel any time soonNot sure why people overcomplicate those things, bots work so well
>>581197402Yes but don't rely on food excess for critical supplies that aren't food related, that excess is better used as ingredients for more food than for gas. You can get a much more abundant and reliable supply of gas from oil than food scraps. You will get scraps no matter what, but try to keep them to a minimum and use them for something less critical, like desalinating some water to recycle back in the farms.If you don't have extra food production that can use your farm overflow, then simply deactivate some farms, tweak your crop rotation or lower fertilizer usage to reduce excess to a minimum, this saves water, fertilizer and potentially workers.
>>581198481obviously 1 seems like the most sensible approach at a glance but I'd like to hear your input
>>581198868yeah it's more a stopgap as I will redo my entire oil refinery soonish
>>581198816botless covarex looks sexier
>>581198481>>581198979I've only played the first game, but option 2 is probably what's intended by the devsyou have wagons and trains to move shit around, right?
>>581201174>I've only played the first gameA big difference between the first and second games is that in the second one resource-gathering buildings such as farms, barns and mines will not gather anything AT ALL if workers aren't in them and now they have to physically walk over from their houses in order to do so. Yes, there's wagons (they can carry 40 items now but their pathfinding is dogshit and they can get stuck if bumping into each other), trains (not sure if you can build rails to connect each island I know you can't liquid pipe something from one island to another), sailboats, cargo boats. I also believe the dev intended for there to be a small population of workers on each island going by the official screenshots but holy shit keeping their happiness up like this is a massive chore since workers won't bother purchasing shit off other island's markets.
>>581198661laser nuclear ships always felt silly to methey rely on external launches
>>581198979counterpoint
>>581200387Might as well redo the refinery already instead of tacking on some temporary food recycling that you will have to redo anyway, or just keep using coal for concrete in the meantime. Food shouldn't be relied upon until you decide to stop expanding your population or you build dedicated farms for non-food resources.When you expand the refinery, consider converting everything to hydrogen, it saves a fuckload of oil and can be used in every industrial process that takes fuel gas.
>>581203446You have been tainted by kovarik propaganda, nuclear laser ships are the best
>>581206089all those laserswhen like 3 turrets would do
>>581206148Can you make a more compact ship with 30 cargo bays using only common parts that's able to go to Aquilo? Or at least similar sized? If you show me one I will consneed that laser/nuclear is worse.
>>581204637yeah i think i might as well forget the whole plan, I have been trying to design a sorting/processing plant but there's so many shit going on it's a nightmare
>>581206620yes
>>581207419May I see it?
>>581207547Well, not to aquilo. But I don't think your ship can take down big asteroids.
>>581207597Well you are entitled to think that, but you're wrong
>>581207597with enough researchenough that you'd only need a single gun turret if you'd invested into bullet damage instead
>>581208221Crazy shit, which research was it that lets your single gun destroy big asteroids?
>>581207727>>581208221then it simply doesn't matterif you have such high level research of laser damage than you can melt big roids then of course laser is better
>>581208437As opposed to a dozen, fockwad. You still need rockets too.
>>581208754>>581208798>bul-lets coping and seething at nuclear superiority
>swapped furnaces for foundries and assemblers for EM plants>prod-modded everything up to the tits>power consumption hits stratosphere faster than rockets>regular brownouts when circuit sector starts producing>finish researching nucolar power and the enrichment process>finally I'll have some fucking power to spare>remember how little U235 you get from the initial ore processing>enrichment requires a whopping 40 pieces of U235>can't do shit with my uranium until I get the enrichment going>fml.aviLong time without playing Factorio makes you forget certain things.…like how much work setting nuclear power up actually takes.Think I might've been better off going to Gleba for the heating tower.But I like to give myself some time before kicking off the time-based evolution.I've been fumbling about long enough I'm close to starting to see behemoth biters.
>>581209407>>finish researching nucolar power and the enrichment processwhy in god's name were you not researching that like 4 hours into your game
>>581209561Mistakes were made.Been a while sine I last played it, please understand.
>>581209407But it's one centrifuge per reactor even without enrichment, surely you can support a bit more than that right? 1GW is less than 8 centrifuges running, it's almost nothing.
>>581209836Or put green modules in the foundries and EMsinstead of prod modding where it gets the least relative effect and at the highest cost
>>581209836I want a reliable supply, especially if I'm going to ship fuel up to the platform.>>581210138>elf modules anywhere outside platforms and biochambers
>>581206689yeah when it comes to food there's no way around it, you'll have to use a lot of belts, sorters and spltters and overflows to keep everything running while the settlement expands and the farms expand with it.The way I do it is to dump all farms into the same two shared belts (one loose, one flat), then those belts go to a convenient location where the food can be sorted.Once sorted, each food goes into its own belt and past a splitter. The priority output of the splitter goes straight to the settlement, and the non-priority goes into overflow.Now what you do with the overflow depends on your tech and your needs. You can make ethanol, food packs, tofu, animal feed, snacks and whatnot and every step of the chain needs its own splitter with overflow. Eventually all overflows end up into a line of digesters for recycling, ideally with as little scraps as possible.This system keeps the farm logistics easy because it's only two belts, but it all unravels at the processing areas and it requires an overflow that never backs up. If something backs up all the way to the sorters, then it stops all other foods from being delivered to the settlement. It's not hard to do this by any means, at the end of the day you just need enough digesters to eat up all the scraps, but it needs some periodic monitoring and some buffers here and there with alerts turned on so you aren't caught off guard when you add a farm and the overflows can't keep up.Later on you might also want to start using contracts to bring in food or to isolate certain farms for crops that won't go directly to the settlement (like mass production of animal feed or ethanol) so keep some space between buildings if you can because you'll be adding and moving things around a bit in the future.
Solvded an issue with circuits all by myself and i feel smart for once
>>581211430You don't necessarily need splitters and overflows, just let the overproduction sit in the farm. Depending on how much of it there it, it might not even be worth processing. And have a regular one belt per food type.
>>581203524this guy builds PCs lmoa
>>581164820>Stormwanks 2I refuse to support devs who shit out another product before they've fixed the last game they put out
All my solution contains these resets at the very end once I've made my product for my machine to loop proper, but when I look at youtube videos their solutions are essentially perpetual without resets and only consist of few instructions per arm how do I achieve such powers?
>>581215025doesn't look very good and definitely very sub optimal
>>581050781that looks nice anon!
>>581213497You need an overflow if you plan on planting more than two crops. Even if you don't bother processing, overproducing a crop will clog either the flat or the loose port, so if you make like corn and potatoes on the same farm, overproduction of one will stop the other from flowing.The "don't bother with any processing or filtering" solution only works early game where you have nothing to do with the excess food and not enough food types to care, in that case yeah just straight pipe the farm into the settlement and forget about it, but it's not sustainable when you actually want to diversify and make things at scale.
>>581215025>>581215190more arms
>>581215025Add more components to do more operations simultaneously.
>>581140546Hmm no
>>581219551I love elemental pussy
>>581219551Isnt this a glacier?
>>581225602probablycan't be assed to look for more of these and to check whether they're actually limestone
>>581226439I'm rock hard right now
>>581215025>All my solution contains these resets at the very end once I've made my productStop doing that you fucking retard
>Got two Geothermal vents fairly close to each other which will produce over 120MW for freeThey're in Narnia but Geothermal is basically a closed system that only needs water (which is on site) and power so who cares?Everything's coming up Milpool
>>581144098It's only a problem if it escapes
>>581216764This is why I make one flat and one loose product at every non-industrial farm.
>>581227717if that's Nullius, it doesn't actually need water. If it's Py, I'm pretty sure it makes a lot more power than that.
>>581229228Well a single geothermal plant makes 250 geothermal waterGeothermal water is turned into 500 degree steam at a 2:1 ratio125 500 degree steam can power 8.33 steam engines at 100% capacity8.3 steam engines makes 63.33 mjs of powerUnless the game is hiding something from me or me brain bad I dunno what to tell you. I was kind of disappointed when I saw the ratios, forgetting that because it makes 500 degree steam every steam engine is two of my previous steam engines
>>581230117That's disappointing. I thought it used molten salt like the coal gas and biomass plants.
>>581230430Why? It already gives hot steam. It's geothermal.
>>581231119Because then you'd get to use the compact high-capacity turbine instead of plain old engines.
>>581231275Oh, you get that later on with geo2/3/4. It's free power, they're just don't throw it to you off the bat.
my bad bro, won't happen again
>Find a really hot hole>Pour some water down it>It comes back as steam spinning a turbine>Free electricityFeels like an exploit that should be patched
>>581233219you have to drill the hole really stupid deepand you need to be able to bring down the water and bring it back up again
>>581233634>bring it back up againsir, steam goes up
>>581233746you don't actually bring the steam up sillyyou bring up superheated water that you brought down at room temperaturethat's the entire point of geoTHERMALyou're SUCCing the therma out of the geo
fugg bendy rails :DD
>>581237002Fucking trollarms-rails
>>581234469So they take the heat out of the water to heat the water to make steam?
>>581238402>why do they call it the oven if you take the food out of
>>581237632I'm going to build a cute "mega" base around my rails :3
>>581215025For arm 2, you can reset as soon as you're done using it. (You can even replace the drop with reset, although this doesn't save any cycles.)Why reset arm 1 at all? There's no use, all orientations are the same.The big issue here isn't the resets, though, it's arm 3, which is doing way too much:>wait for arms 1 and 2>air backbone to next bonding area>lead to bonding>lead to purification (x2)>tin to bonding>deliver to outputThe wait should go away if you reset arms 1 and 2 earlier, so they can start assembling the next air backbone while arm 3 finishes up. (Not sure if there's a risk of the next air pieces colliding with tin or getting bonded to the previous air backbone -- if so, you can fix that with a period override instruction, or just not moving the resets back all the way.) But this is only a few cycles.The big slowdown is doing all the lead moving while everything else waits. You can add another piston arm (just right of lead input) to just move the lead; have it start with lead to purification, so the tin will be available when arm 3 is ready to grab it, then move lead to bonding last, while arm 3 moves tin to bonding. (You can take the same process further, and divide the work among 2 or 3 arms, with as little as 4 cycles of work each.)Another issue is excess motion. When moving tin to bonding, you start with:>grab, move-, retract, rotate, rotate, rotate, extend, ...The retracting and extending is wasted motion. If you can find/make room to swing without retracting, you save two cycles. Often, this might involve rearranging things, e.g. move bonding glyphs a little farther apart, and lengthen the arm that swings between them, but here you actually have room, as long as you do (part of) it before the track move:>grab, rotate, rotate, move-, rotate, ...Then repeat: look at whatever arm is taking longest, and find a way to split its work with an additional arm, or to accomplish it with less movement.
>>581229050Kinda hard to do at scale when only 2 crops come out of flat belts and everything else comes out of loose belts
>>581248321There's only 5 food crops total, 6 if you want to do Tofu. So you get potato+veg, corn+fruit, and then balance veg or fruit shortage from the wheat farm.
>>581230117>8.3 steam enginesthe heat transfer building only puts out 120 steam per second so i've just been doing 1:1:8but yeah geothermal vents don't spawn within a pretty long distance from origin, and even then they aren't super common. i've still got seven or eight available, and like you said they're super easy to set up
>>581250410I have 12 steam engines and 2 heat transfer buildings as well as a tank for geothermal water and steam under the idea that it'll handle drops in wind power when I start scratching the limits of this power generation. I might not end up needing it but it's not like the resource cost was that great
>>581250786>windi don't think i've ever seen anyone go particularly hard on py windmaybe the pyblock guy likes it?does pyblock guy even get geothermal vents? probably not
>copy paste self sufficient setups on the trash islands>recycle, make rocket fuel, use processing units and LDS from the recyclers for rockets + rocket fuel>power from solid fuel + ice using heat towers>refine the holmium ore in place>send the holmium up to an orbital station, send back down to the cargo hub>with left over rocket parts send up barrels of heavy oil for vulcanusAny flaw with this idea? Seems infinitely scalable.
>>581251603I made a lot of fish turbines
Maths or just throwing it together and praying?
>>581251964>with left over rocket parts send up barrels of heavy oil for vulcanus
>>581252412Math isn't plural bongtard.
>>581253420Mathematics is plural, you gibbon. Not even a bong but shortening mathematics to math and not maths is silly.
>>581233219>siphon free geo energy>cook 10 billion chicken wings>magnetosphere breaks>goodjob retards
>>581254129It's ok I have a plan
>>581253420There are infinity numbers, therefore maths is plural.
>>581255414Oh yeah? Name every number.
>>581125525I checked some food labels and apparently calcium chloride is used to make regular cheese too, it's used as a "stabilizer". Guess I don't want my cheese going critical.
>>581257917There's calcium chloride in some cans of tomatoesI was just expressing disgust at the existence of Tofu
Almost thereI was supposed to work on rail blueprints for future train base but I keep having plastic shortages since it still runs on old, inefficient propane recipe so I'm going to upgrade alkanes, plastic and rubber before I do that
>>581253373But it's free oil
>>581259504you have free oil on vulcanus you numbskull
>>581256334ffs I hit the X, have to start over.
>>581260032I don't
>>581260931yes you do
>>581260995No I mean it, I don'tWe started this run with a friend, and the idea was railworld maxxing, while setting it up he had the glorious idea of doing that for vulcanus as wellI've got 6M in the starter patch, the next one, 50M, is a few mediums and big worms to the left. Then there's nothing else within a huge distance. I checked in creative because I got tired of running around finding nothing.
>>581261752calculate 50 million with 600% prod and 8% drain rate
>>581262872How do I get there?
>>581263038not even that carefully
>>581210569Those lowercase gs are in my book.
https://gegell.github.io/posts/factorio-rng/
>we have satisfactory at homehow much worse is it?
>>581272395>another iteration of unreal sloppaIt's probably exactly the same, you could have said satisfactory got a new update changing some assets and I'd have believed you.
>>581272395Wouldn't play too much of it yet, way too early access. Anyway it's a different appeal, they have alien attacks like Factorio and you can lose all your shit.
>I need more accumulators>I build more since I'm not gonna afk>I need more power>step 1its been 3 hours. I assume nuclear is unfeasable because I will run out of ice very quickly. I really should just leave it running until I get a chest full of quality accumulators.
>>581274690Post you are base so we can help or laugh at you
>>581251603>maybe the pyblock guy likes it?I went hard on wind yes because power without ash was nice for the early part>does pyblock guy even get geothermal vents? probably notNo but yes. There's a somewhat cursed recipe for getting geothermal that I do plan on using.
This took way too long to set up, I should have started building my new base instead
>>581276860What the fuck is that. I thought you were talking about atomizing Chitin
>>581277270Oh I do plan on atomizing Chtin too, don't get me wrong. But that's not cursed by Py standards I feel.I can only assume this is some pyblock nonsense? I know I didn't add this myself.
I though this improvised setup would produce barely any science but it's quite decent, now that I have steady supply of plastic and propane this will get me some amount of background science while I'm working on new train base
>>581276860the fuck is thatdoes the building consume something or like, are you just throwing pipes in a blenderand why is it rng twice? goofy shit
It appears I have fixed my constant crash on linux.It was firefox's hardware acceleration. Why? I have no clue. But I haven't crashed a single time in a month.
>>581283546It consumes power technically? You are more or less throwing a couple of iron plates in a blender for power.
it's a good thing space is infinite or i might have to think slightly more about designsshouldn't be short on steel for a good bit now
Wait a minute...Is the plastic entirely to create the bucket?
>>581300118yesthat's also why you need fiberboard for starch
>>581300118you know the rubber is just for the cork, right?
>>581301328Me
>>581252412All the maths
>>581253859>greek word>using S as a plural
>>581272395It's good and I liked it, planning to play it again soonThe combat emphasis is nice and the gunplay is a lot better than satisfactory, the environmental aspects are incredibly comfy and fun to deal with. The lore is pretty great and everything is well made, the only thing that made it feel early access was the amount of content (I still haven't beaten it though).The one and only thing I hate is that rails with little one-way carts on them is a fucking retarded and inefficient way of transport and the fact that you can merge them into each other with no problem and they just find their own destination by magic and take no effort or complexity and spaghetti is just a visual gag you did for the meme instead of the result of growing complexity over time like the pasta with a purpose that we all know and love.Good game, better with friends, I recommend it.
>>581300302Dum>>581300783Can't do science without a cork but I can move sand without a bucket
>>581303469Py is very silly but also fun. Just wait till you need to farm dung to make batteries.
>>581303610>Py is very sillyYou don't say?
>>581303704I do think those little dinos are very cute even if I don't get to see them.
>>581303469>but I can move sand without a bucketits because your engineer just has to open its sandy snatch and jiggle, you crotchety cunt.nevermind the stack each of buildings 100x your size stuffed up your loose ass?kys.
>>581308146Uncalled for melty tbdesu
>>581300118>clueless.jpg
>>581303704>bro uses cheatdronesit's okay that's fairly reasonable pre-bots
>>581316316think that's my biggest issue with Py, it delays basic functionality so much. like red belts or splitters or botsthink it's like 200 hours until red belts
>>581317247oh man you are NOT going to like their speed.
>>5813172474.30 hours into the game I have finally all the barebones means to produce bioflux, and reduce if not outright remove the pollution in said chunk to get a basic amount of plates up and runningDoes it have a return line for seedsno I ran out of ironI can do that manually for the time being, they stack to 200 in krastoriodo I even have the seeds not for jellynut I sure as hell don't, but I'll build that one up as I go alongis my setup even going to workkind of? I don't have enough artificial soil for planting everything in a chunk properly so I had to double the yumako pollution removal on the southern chunk and build a line to get rid of the tree seed byproduct all the way around but it should work indefinitelyin theorynow I just have to build the ore making and processing area and yet another wood pollution removal setup to get rid of the steel furnaces' output, but at least they'll power the furnaces themselves instead of having to be deleted
>>581321402did not mean to quote that one, that was meant for >>581124941ran out of iron for everything and steel for assemblers so I had to grug smash and had to steal some greenhouses while I was at it from the main power setup but they were secondary anyway and only come up at the upper echelongs of 30/40 MW usage
>it begins
>>581322671why is bro voiding wood by caravan
>>581322671>heat pipe oh god that's hard mode isn't itthat thing's such a shitshowwhy do people bother
like, you're literally playing shitpost mod by someone who deleted all his mods in a fit of tard rage
can't wait to retire in 30 years, so that I could sink hundreds of hours into Py without regrets
>>581302921We're speaking English here, you baboon.
[HOW PYANODON'S PUSHED ME INTO ALMOST SUICIDE AND THEN SAVED MY LIFE] (abridged version) - 83 hours>>581327968Just turn on decay mode in the mod settings. That's much better than not being able to void items. You can literally void stuff by deleting pipes and buildings anyway
>>581331072in 30 years you might play a pre-alpha of pysex
>>581316316I didn't feel like clearcutting forests manually and yeah once I get an equivalent this thing is exploding
>>581144652>>581144652>>581144652>>581144652
QRD on why /egg/ doesn't think much of Satisfactory?I'm playing it and I think I'm having fun but I might be mistaken.
>>581343991Everything it does Factorio does better, except for being 3D obviously.
>>581343991>UE5 with all that entails>actually runs worse than in early access because they used UE4 back then>devs fight to keep out any quality of life features players want and are snarky about it>relatively bland, it's like the safe horny version of eggs for normoids so they can feel smart about building a factory>generally a slog to play through, staying sane while progressing involves participating in a schizophrenic collectathon spanning the whole map and really bad combat with respawning enemiesBasically go play modded minecraft instead, it does everything better. It even has proper blueprints nowadays.
>>581343991last time i really dug into it back when fluids were released i had a blast with it. built my shit up explored a lot and by the time i completed all i could even mapped out the starting zones and where they all were.then thats it. its the same fucking grind on the same fucking map with the same fucking sauce nodes.modding is a tedious chore, what you can mod seems to be frivolous bullshit, while anything with substance seems locked down by the engines limitations.>>581327968>lambdalemoni thought it was that melon fag who sperged out?>>581327968>hur hur hur im a giant presumptuous faggotok? i havent played 2.0 since .0.23thanks for reminding me of yet another failure of 2.0
>>581347230There can be two spergs, why shouldn't there be?
>>581343991Most of /egg/ is deep, deep down the autism rabbit hole and they want factory games to be exclusively about the factory design part. How to connect A, B, C, D to X, Y, Z and make sure it all works, it's prioritized correctly, it's controlled to operate as it should and so on.Satisfactory has that but the factory building part is rather bare-bones, like it has a lot of the systems you'd expect but they're all bare-bones compared to the genre king, Factorio. Some things are missing entirely, like there's no equivalent to the circuit network at all. So the factory design part of it is simplified. In exchange for that the game instead has a much more involved building system, by which I mean making actual buildings and things like that. /egg/ does not like this at all since they're only interested in the factory design.There's exploration as well, which gets the same treatment here because exploration is also not factory design. So basically the game is not pure enough, rather than focusing on factory design depth, it has some factory design with a significant amount of attention to building and also some exploration on the side.If you actually enjoy building stuff you think looks cool and like exploring the map (for the first time, at least), then it's a great game you will enjoy. If you just want pure factory design, you will feel that everything else just gets in the way.
>>581348724what a curious rabbit hole..>https://git.gay/notnotlemon/pyhardmodehttps:/git.gay/lambdalemon/pyhardmode>git.gaykek>picseems the lambada tard just took over ownership of the modthe asylum really has been taken over by the inmates, on multiple levels.i want off this ride mr bones.
>>581347230>i thought it was that melon fag who sperged out?when melon sperged out lemon took some of the mods under his wing from him I don't know how mod ownership works
>>581275448Looks like it didnt matter since the holmium buffer run out it and it cant make enough solution to sustain that science without processing more scrap. I'm also having a hard time figuring out how to make quality quality modules without the bots prioritizing all the quality chips to make lower tiers.
>>581343991how far in are you? I actually think satisfactory is pretty fun for a while, but it really falls off as the game goes on (at least in my opinion).
>>581343991>infinite resources>no enemies>no circuits>crappy blueprints>full of neurotypical casuals>no splendid feeling of true isolation>you play as a w*man
New assembling machine sound, what do I think about it?
>>581343991gameplay is very bad and clunky runs horriblyfails at the only thing it tries to be (3d factory game about making pretty factories) because of engine fuckerygame as a whole is fucking retarded and made for stupid people in mind
>>581349984Side projects and other stuff to do is not the problem satisfactory has. It's fun to just drive around the map in stormworkn't between designing new vehicles, it's fun to design circuits in factorio that are only very tangentially related to building a functioning factory, it's fun to move rocks and dirt in CoI for no reason other than because you can. A lot of things people discuss here are not actually related to building an efficient factory. The problem with satisfactory is that not just the factory building part is bare bones, every single thing in the game is bare bones. Of course people will mostly complain about the factory building, it's the main aspect of the game and everything else is somehow even shallower.
>>581352078It needs to be a woman so she can give birth to the new population.
>>581343991To quote someone(dosh?) who worded it nicely:>Factorio gives you powerful tools to solve difficult problems>Satisfactory gives you bad tools to solve simple problemsThat game is really a different league. It's a casualized, sanitized experience that is all about the spectacle of making a factory rather than actual engineering and solving problems(which is what 99% of people here want). Can you have fun in it? Sure, but it's like bringing Call of Duty to people who are into hardcore military sims.
>>581353301No, you see, I don't think you get it at all. You don't get it precisely because you think the building aspect of Satisfactory is supposed to be a side project. It is not. You think this is supposed to be factory design with a side of platform placement, but it's not.To the people who enjoy that sort of thing, it's a primary appeal on par with the factory design or even beyond it. I myself am not really in this category, but I've looked at what people who are really into this game actually do with it and very, very many seem to devote very significant effort, perhaps most of it even, into just building purely for decorative purposes. They make blueprints that serve no purpose other than decoration, spend time clipping shit together into much more complex shapes than what I'd ever get out of the game, make up entire building styles for various segments of the factory, go through the incredibly tedious process of making roads with nicely rounded corners and no visible clipping, design the actual factory parts so they look like a factory, make sure they're "accessible" without just flying through the whole factory and so on and so forth.I'm in the depth camp, I would love more depth on the factory design part and if the construction aspect had some structural simulation tied to it (think like those bridge building games) so you'd actually need to make properly supported buildings which could bear the load of your factory I'd probably love it, since it would turn something purely decorative into an actual game mechanic.Still just because this isn't exactly to my taste doesn't mean I don't get why so many people are into it and find it very fun. It's not an in-depth problem solving game but it very clearly isn't attempting to be one either, it's a blend.
>>581354183imagine the inbreeding
>>581359081no no you see, you have the woman repopulate the planet by giving her frozen sperm from hundreds of donors and engineer a way to accelerate the incubation period so she can be constantly pergnate and foreverially delitized
>>581358308Nigger if the building aspect is the main thing then the game is even worse, the building system fucking sucks. It's fortnite-style slapping premade asset flip garbage together. It is generic in every aspect it touches and that's precisely my point which you seem to be missing. There's not a single game mechanic you could point to in that game and say "damn I really wish other games would copy that, it's so cool", it is creatively bankrupt which is precisely why normies love it, because it mashes together all the garbage from other games into one package and they don't have to think about new ways to interact with a video game, they already know all of satisfactory before they open it up.
>>581358308These people are not playing an engineering game. They are playing minecraft.
>>581360226NTA, but I agree with him.If you want to build a pretty factory with fun gadgets in a cool looking place, satisfactory is a good game to do that in.Are any of elements particularly good? Not really. But as a whole, is decent for what it is.
>>581360226>It's fortnite-style slapping premade asset flip garbage together.Unfortunately, it's most of them.
>>581360226>not a single game mechanic you could point to in that game and say "damn I really wish other games would copy that, it's so cool"There's one, the random alternate recipes from harddrives. I would appreciate that especially in DSP, since it doesn't have overhaul mods like Factorio it's always pretty much the same thing.
>>581363459the enshrouded building system is actually really cool because it lets you easily work with exactly the level of detail you want. you can snap huge premade blocks together if you want or individually detail each nook and cranny if you are mentally ill.
>>581343991Great game, if you want to build aesthetic factories it's the best pick on the market
>>581365521I consneed, I can't think of another game that did it before them and it's neat. Rest of the game still sucks though.
>>581360226Anon are you legit autistic? I start by expressing how the game is explicitly a mix of genres, you then hyper-focus on factory design. I once again state that the game is blending genres and that construction isn't a side-project, you hyper-focus on the construction instead. I don't think I can be more clear than this: the game's """main thing""" is the fact that it is providing the combination in the same package, allowing the player to build a factory that not only actually works and produces the required items, but also looks like whatever factory you imagined.>why normies love itMan, if you think it's the normalfags who autismally spend thousands of hours clipping decorative pieces together to make their highly detailed factory wall blueprint or train track segment or perfectly rounded truck road I don't even know what to say to you, you must be completely divorced from reality if you think it's normalfags who dump their hours into this game.>>581360453That's exactly right, they're playing a blend between an engineering game and basically Minecraft, and they get a lot of enjoyment out of the Minecraft part too. Presumably they get enjoyment out of the factory design as well, or else they would actually be playing Minecraft.
>>580917035I'm considering it as well, looks pretty good but it's still really early in development so ehh idk
>>581374024>uhh it's actually good because everything about it is really mid but it got a lot of mid thingsOk so you're the target demographic then, good for you.
Whats gonna make gleba science packs fresher? Bioflux belt runs first through the science biochambers and then is used to make the nutrients for eggs or nutrients first, then science?
>>581374024>Anon are you legit autistic?where do you think you are right now
>>581374976You can use the same bioflux production for both nutrients and science. It's all relative since you NEED a nutrient loop for everything.
>>581374976>Whats gonna make gleba science packs fresher?Deleting them and making new ones.
>>581375431Yeah I'm using a single bioflux belt running around everywhere with no splitters.
>>581374724I didn't say it's good, but it seems you're too stupid or uneducated to understand English so we'll leave it at that.>>581375193Look now, you can enjoy Factorio and shit without being actually, legitimately mentally ill. It's not a prerequisite or something. You are right though, /egg/ has definitely had a bunch of legit autists over the years, now that I think about it.
>>581375879Honestly I'd just create bioflux on demand since it's the one item that can spoil but can't be voided with the heating tower (unless you have recyclers).
>>581374724>Explains why people like it>Oh so YOU like it huhI think he was being too polite asking if you're autistic instead of just stating you are
Sure launch rockets with the shitty unpowered silos w/e.
>>581380990This screenshot is a fever dream
>>581381626it's 8 silos, what's odd about it
>>581381881I think I'm just really fixated on the rare EM science on vulcanus
>>581381881nta but what caught my eye were the fulgora science packs on vulcanus
>>581382009oh, didn't noticeweird
>>581382009>>581382085>>581382132Eh? They're just left overs from science before moving labs to navis.
Appreciate the answers on Satisfactory. More of a sci-fi factory-themed building game, then.It's a shame you can't staff your factory with NPCs like a village in something like Medieval Dynasty.
>>581382085>>581382132You guys dont ship your holmium and void everything else? I never tried it, knowing wube you probably cant make electrolyte or supercapacitors outside of fulgora
>>581383180You can't make the science pack elsewhere. Also coal liquefaction scales poorly on purpose so that it could only feed rocket launches, not purple and yellow science.
>>581383180>ship your holmiumWhy?Why in god's name would you do that?
>>581383910If the other recipes were not planet-locked, that would be the most efficient way of transporting it.
>>581383894They should have allowed making all science packs but only on platforms when they are moving, that would be a good challenge.
>>581384113NOBODY CARES ABOUT EFFICIENCY IN SPACE AGE I'VE SENT ROCKETS FOR 1 THOUSAND ROCKET FUEL TO GLEBAI'VE SENT ROCKETS FOR 1 ASSEMBLING MACHINEROCKETS ARE FREEYOU IGNORAMUS
>>581384754Oh yeah. I'm so used to mods fucking up the recipe, forgot launches are basically free in vanilla.
>>581376113Yeah you didn't say it's good, you said it's great, you fucking retard
I think it's all I'll need for normal pieces, now I only need to design stations and stackers
>>581384754All the resources of the infinite universe are free, but here you have to pay rent to live in a shoebox.Where's the justice in that?
>>581391524you pay rent?kwab
If you think Factorio asteroid densities are ridiculous, just imagine your platform is going at relativistic speeds and asteroids are stray hydrogen atoms.https://www.researchgate.net/publication/276048769_Speed_kills_Highly_relativistic_spaceflight_would_be_fatal_for_passengers_and_instruments>ship moving at speeds over half c will either get cooked by hard radiation, or outright meltInterstellar travel might be impossible.
This is just absurd.Now I understand why people care about throughput and stackers in the late game.
>>581395483Yeah but how does this affect me, personally?
>>581395970Is that per second? That's a big base
Captain of Industry is such a bad game, holy fuck, it's beyond belief how much my expectations were shattered.
>>581396304back to W&R?
>>581395970>This is just absurd.you're trying to make 72K SPM before biolabs are factored in. I think absurd just is the default.
>>581395483Yeah I don't think we will ever see other star systems other the proxima centauri one and even that one might not even be seen by anybody since we're gonna nuke ourselves in the 10000 years it takes for a spacecraft to get there. The greeks were right. All of the filament might aswell be a projection
>>581395970My recommendation is doing basic oil refining, and also skip the biochambers.You should be able to get enough oil comically easy with high levels of mining prod, and mining prod is dirt cheap now.
>>581396386I haven't played w&r yet because I don't like the graphics and communism.
typa shit my completely broke ass needs for 6 plates a secondswear to lord
>>581383101>More of a sci-fi factory-themed building game, thenYeah pretty much, though you shouldn't think it's basically Minecraft while building the occasional automated machine once every 3 hours either. It involves a lot of automation and factory building too.The progression and main technology unlocks do not need continuous, infinite production of anything, so how large you build is up to you. Even a trickle will eventually result in you having enough of whatever item to progress. It will regularly ask you for hundreds or like 1000 items which out of a single machine at default speed are produced at a rate of a few per minute, so rather slowly. Building the minimal 1 machine to make an item can result in taking a long time until you have enough for an unlock, so how large you build is up to you but if you build very small you may be waiting for a long time. It also does the Factorio thing where higher end items become more and more expensive and require larger and larger amounts of support infrastructure to feed them (as in input ingredients but also power), so for the higher-end items even supplying 1 single machine making them at full tilt can require a fair bit of building.The game doesn't have any viewable statistics that I know of, so I have no idea how many machines in total you can expect to have in an average playthrough, but unless you explicitly build as small as possible you can probably expect hundreds or thousands. The game has some special items (limited in number until the very late game) that can be used per-machine to increase their speed up to 2.5x, but it does not have something like Factorio's beacons or any other method to push speed beyond that, so late-game builds when the game wants you to scale can very quickly blow up in terms of machine numbers.
>>581396217Yes>>581396396Yea but the absurd is how all of this can be sustained by a couple of random buildings. Only the actual science assemblers are going to take some space, for the rest it is going be more challenging to route everything and keep train stations saturated more than anything else.
i don't think i can neet it out and play pyblockAlmost finished a seablock run a few years agoand that was like 300 hoursdnno
>>581400561As the local pyblock player you should do it. Just don't ask how far I am or how much time I have thanks.
>>581400786how many hours played
>>581400878I am speed.I know it took me about 80~ hours for my first splitter.
Of all the things to get hit with a worker shortage, it's my "Refugees Are Welcome Here" sign
