Stay awake editionPrevious: >>580599112A thread for all vehicle simulation games: racing sims, flight sims, train sims, submarine sims, tank sims, anything else sims which do not have enough traffic to sustain their own independent generals.>Extra attention grabbing search terms for example welcome sims/fsg/ /dcsg/ /fsxg/ /bmsg/ /shg/ /rofg/ /etsg/ /il2g/ /lfsg/ /tsg/>OP Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/TxxE74ja (embed)>Planefag pastebin:https://rentry.co/simg>Tankfag pastebin:http://pastebin.com/EbdtnyPX (embed)>Boat- and subfag pastebinhttp://pastebin.com/JqTQWFFE (embed)>Repository of various aviation related material:https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B3EQDvufMNdeTUh4SE9WV0txa0E&usp=drive_web>Example of welcome simsFalcon BMS, DCS World, Rise of Flight, IL-2, Combat Helo, Microsoft Flight Simulator, X-Plane, Euro truck sim, Assetto Corsa, rFactor 2, Live for Speed, SAM Simulator, Steel Beasts Pro, Steel Armor: Blaze of War, Steel Fury: Kharkov 1942, Enemy Engaged: Comanche vs Hokum, Silent Hunter, Dangerous Waters, Train Simulator, Farming Simulator 201X, OMSI 2, DiRT: Rally, Ship Simulator>Example of non-welcome games:Arm*, Ac* C*mbat, W*r Th*nder, W*rld of _____, The S*ms, S*m C*ty, G*at S*mulat*r
Planning on doing a transatlantic flight in the C-17 today lads, and I'll set the simrate to 2x during cruise as an experiment. I expect it to still take over three hours, but I'm interested to see if it still 'feels' like you're in a long flight, and whether it breaks anything. If it feels alright then it'll open up the world of long haul flights to me.
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What the fuck is this? Why am I getting this again? Importing the littlenavmap file seems to cause issues for the approach.
>>580968605Now I just had a random CTD, fucks sake maybe I shouldn't be on SU7 beta.
Sorry for letting the last thread crash into a mountain, I had to take a little day trip and I inherited a cellular IP that was banned.
I went back to SU6, the beta kept crashing for me.
>>580971647Managed to get the autopilot confused and nearly stalled but it's fine now.
>>580972452Cruising now at FL320 at simrate 2x. So far the clouds just move past quicker, it's not going to be a very interesting journey until I reach Canada and fly into New York, just clouds and sea.
>Went to sleep>Thread died
>>580974773Gachafags must pay
Bump. Might do some circuits in 737.
Honestly being a pilot irl doing long over sea routes sounds a bit shit, you're probably not allowed to read a book are you?
>>580979378AFAIK paper books are allowed. Only personal electronic devices are forbidden.
Clouds at 32,000ft, I've had to put the anti-ice on.
>>580986153I'm supposedly over Newfoundland having crossed the Atlantic but I can't see anything.
TCAS alert at 35k feet.
uhh>life simWhat's the 77 mean?
>>580987093There is no America, you've been fooled.
>>580988208DESCEND, DESCEND NOW
>>580988371Seconds
>>580988406I see land, but what if it's like Planet of the Apes and I've been away for a thousand years and it's still England?
>>580989058Unfortunately, it's more likely than you may think.
>>580988714HELL NO I AIN'T CHICKENING OUT
>PoopFeast420 I see you have gone to the toilet, contact Moncton Centre on 118.6. Good day.>PoopFeast420 please respond>PoopFeast420, IFR flight plan is cancelled, radar service terminated. Squawk 1200. maintain VFR. Frequency change approved. Good day.
>>580979378You will sit calmly and quietly in your cancer tube, fly your sky bus, and try not to think about it. Entertainment is for lesser beings.
>>580989954classic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmqs_6CBzcU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCEuhbYqx1cOh my Airbus, get your pre orders in lads for the Rowsfire 1:1 A320 glareshield. I can tell you're all excited but please restrain yourselves.
I noticed they updated a female Jester voice option for all F-14 but I don't really know if it sounds like a girl or just a Jester who got punched in the throat
>>580991704This is the greatest news to flight simming since that one time I yawned to hard I popped my jaw.
Every fucking time I leave the room the ATC tells me to change frequency and ends up cancelling IFR.
>>580997141Oh shit I have bigger problems than the ATC
>>580997368I thought it would automatically balance fuel but apparently not, maybe I misread the documentation, I'm doing it manually. It could still cruise on two engines, during climb they were struggling though.
Did any info ever come out on what the 3 upcoming redfor planes are?
>>580997847Yeah they're>Never>Fuckingand>Ever
>>580991704If I manufactured Airbus themed dragon dildos with "realistic" ovipositors, how many of you freaks do you think would buy it?
>flight plan got fucked up>ATC cancelled when I was afk briefly>retrying with a new plan meant the ATC got confused and never told me to descend>had to ask to descend manually>didn't even pass me over to KJFK tower>had to cancel IFR at the last minute when I realised it was fucked, talk to tower and ask to land VFR>ILS doesn't work for 31L for some reason>can't see the runway at allREEEE
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>>581002087Reminds me of early days of BeyondATC>Runway on your 11 o'clock, confirm runway in sight>There is no runway in sight>Negative, confirm runway in sight>Zoom to the maximum, there is something that resembles a runway>NEGATIVE CONFIRM RUNWAY IN SIGHT>Runway in sight>Cleared to land, runway 13>It's not a runway, it's a fucking road
>doing Gunthrek's F18 academy>on the A2G module>combined arms pt 2 - already did pt 1 (running SEAD for an allied flight of hornets), now the roles are switched>get to WPT1, fence in, autopilot to WPT2 and spectate the bot SEAD flight>they launch a HARM>it flies towards the target, an SA-6 site>...does nothing to it>the SA-6 launches>both SEAD planes immediately jettison all weapons and run awayoh no
>>581003351It only looked like a runway at the right angle, it looked like fucking nothing from a distance. Terrible landing, too fast and I floated down the runway but I didn't know where the fuck it was until the last minute.
>>581004340Could've been worse. Nice job captain.
>>580998814
Well that was a bloody long flight even with the sim rate at 2x and was a mess at the end, the game has been running for nearly 6 hours now. Here's what I've learnt>the game fucks up plans made in littlenavmap, specifically approaches>Increasing the sim rate to 2x is fine, it doesn't feel too fast, a 1.5x would be good but doesn't seem to be an option>Flying over the Atlantic is boring>The C-17 needs manual fuel management when the tanks get low>The game makes you change frequencies between often the same FIR/UIR multiple times>If you go for a piss the ATC will tell you to change frequency and then cancel IFR>If for whatever reason you changed the flight plan (I did it by accident) and then submit that new one mid-flight the ATC will probably get confused and fuck the approach up>I was hoping the approach would fly me over Manhattan but it didn't>I didn't realise that KJFK had an overhaul, it's very choppy and used nearly all 16gb of my VRAMWould I do it again? Not sure, using the sim rate does open up long haul for me, but there was nothing to look at for most of the flight, I just read my book. Maybe next time I'll do a long flight over land.>>581004805Thanks, nobody died but hearing the plane go>30, 20, 10, 10, 10, 10is embarrassing
>>581005307You used native ATC or some 3rd party like beyond/fshud/sayintentions ?
>>581005675Native, but it's been annoying me so much recently I might look into BeyondATC
The Steam Frame is out
>>581006080Those fucks aren't delivering to switzerland
>>581006509Gaben fears the mountain jew
>>581006509get the 346 anon to smuggle one for you
>>581006080>wirelessYeah, nah, fuck that shit
>>581013385it's got cable too like the quest
>>581006080This normie shit was built for those /vrg/ trannies, not for /simg/.
>>581015563Lots of people in the simming community use the Quest and that's peak normie
>>580991925It's literally the male Jester run through an AI voice synthesizer.
>>581023460Yeah it also says in the options that it's just AI filter. Still, I expected it to at least sound female lol
how does it take you 6 hours to do a 3 hour flight?
The worst part about Nuclear Option mod planes (Ternion aside) is the ear rape troon-tunes that play when you take off
bump
hello
I'm normally a fan of long haul flying, but lately I've burned myself out on it. Been restricting myself to short hops of a couple hours.Need to find something else I can entertain myself with without being too demanding while I do other things.. something that can run in the background. Unfortunately trains are too hands on for this.
>>581016583NO, you're not really simming unless you are using the oldest, most obscure hardware running on open source firmware that was created as a workaround for some absolute nigger of a company deliberately killing the product before it's useful lifespan had ran out.I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.
>>581052093Reverb still has competitive per-eye resolution and you can get one for peanuts secondhand.VR would be the future if anything was developed for it, story of the decade.
>>581025819Every hour the plane pulls to the side of the skyway to let the passengers go out for a walk.
>>581015071You mean actual cable or some flimsy usb-c shit?
>>581052093I use a Samsung Odyssey+ I paid 400 bucks for back in the day. Do I qualify?
>>581052093
>>581015563utterly retarded opinion of someone who has never actually simmed in VR.
>my community folder for MSFS 2024 is 131GB
>>581076915mine was 122gb and I hadn't paid for anything in it.
>>581015563that's the most retarded opinion ever. It's basically a Quest 3 but without you having to legally sign your face and of your kids (unironically) to Meta.The fact that it can load APKs, custom software etc by default gives it the most overhead for both simming and normie vr shit.the problem is the price
>>580979378Who's gonna stop you?
>>581090102The co-pilot
>>581095085The M stands for Mussolini
>>581095085>be italian>put a random crooked dick on your planeThey just can't help themselves, huh?
I'm going to explore the Outer Hebrides in a bellypopper
>>581099123crooked for her pleasure
Any of you mongs tried Nascar '26 on Linux? Their Steam page tells that 'while it runs on Linux it's not officially supported'. Nascar '25 worked on Linux for a while but after they updated the game it stopped working at all.I don't want to waste my bandwidth with this if it's not working well enough.
>>581104110The game isn't even out yet
Flying old monoprops without trim tabs in all dimensions is pain.
>>581105486>using trimYou didn't fly the plane
>>581106909If you don't use trim then you don't know how to fly a plane.Source : I have IRL flight training.
>>581107953I bet you had an airspeed indicator and and an altimeter too didn't you? Casuals
Feeding the girl.
>>581104739Oh I thought so because pirated version is already out for some reason. Well, maybe I'll wait and see what happens. Steam forums are so utterly useless because they are filled up with sub 90 IQ retards, it's kind of morbidly fascinating.
>>581108661Yes but it is actually secondary.The first rule is to flight level, what you do by keeping your eye on the horizon, finding the correct stick pressure to have no vertical speed, and then trimming to balance the efforts on the stick.Climbing ? You trim to keep attitude. Going to land ? You trim to keep correct approach. If you don't trim you'll wrestle the stick and porpoise.But yeah, that's all boring IRL stuff to make flights safe and fly to the numbers. In the simulator you overspeed the airframe six times to the minute and call it monday.
I get the feeling this isn't realistic
>>581107953Never use trim but I only know how to fly a video game
HOLY FUCK JUST SHOW TWO RAFALE REHEARSING FOR THE LOCAL AIRSHOW FOR LIKE 15 MINUTES.SHIT IS LOUD, YO. ALSO IMPRESSIVE AS HECK, FIRST TIME I SAW AFTERBURNING AND WING CONDENSATION IRL.
>>581106909>having a yokeyou didn't fly the planehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U69aISdLnk&list=PLu1PmsTUYt5G6jyhUHPSNL36XPL2jaGVi
>>581109553it isn't but when you take anything near the edges of a flight envelope all simulators are unrealistic.
>>581109519Did you get your PPL or just have lessons?
>>581113378nice
>>581113753kek that's amazing
>>581113378Greek anon?
>>581113378I saw one at Duxford Airshow a few years ago, the sound was orgasmic
The A380 is out for DCS
>>581115175neat
>>581114491Preparing a LAPL. 4 hours in so far.
>>581114838French one. Moved close to Landivisiau Air Base where are stationed Navy's Rafale.Nice looking plane, maybe a bit busy compared to the pure lines of the Mirage family.
First UFO sighting in 2024
>>581119208https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2d6T5G2rrY
>>581105486>he doesn't know how to trim with power and altitudeel oh el
>>581109553desu other than the various modes of structural overstress, collision, and failure aerodynamically that looked fine
>>581127823I have seen videos of airliners doing ridiculous things tbf
>>581127460Since you seem to know your shit: How do I trim roll with power and altitude?
>>581129994
>>581118341it has a bent dick like the m346 so it's ok in my book
>>581129994your plane is "rigged" (aka permanently trimmed) for straight and level flight in it's design cruise conditionif you have a roll imbalance it's because you're not putting the required amount to torque into the propellerset the correct torque to balance the rollif you can't maintain altitude with the applied balancing propeller force, then you're at the wrong altitudeyour 2nd option is do the the light airplane trick and create a fuel imbalance to trim out a roll
>>581132951I see, makes sense. Thanks.
>>581132951If you put all the fuel in the right tank then could you turn the plane by throttle alone, and not touching the ailerons?
>>581132951huh
>>581113378Yeah i got to see the Rafale at air legends a couple years back. You can literally feel the afterburner making your insides go brrrrrrrr. Its very impressive. Love this plane. Also the navalized version got a CHUNKY landing gear.
>>581052093I have two microsoft sidewinders 2 FFB sticks. Still use it sometimes despite having a modern FFB stick too. Its just that good.
>>581135349heh
I was fine until hoveing too long and I think was fucked by that vortex thing that sucks your lift
nope, so tempting but no
>>581165647oh, ye of little faith
I bought that Isle of Man racing game on sale for two fiddy. It's neat but it's too fast for me. Is there any good racing game focusing on motorcycles from the 20s to 40s? Those sound better anyway.
>>581152454Impressive
>>581165647Blessed are the barnstormers: for theirs is the kingd-ACK
>>581181573I doubt it, motorcycle games are quite niche as it is.
BlueBird's 757 will be out on the 23rd of October, not 2024 native though but an update for that will follow. I learnt the other day that the C-17 and 757 share the same engines interestingly.
Plans for today>continue to be a NEET>sim
>>581200475I wish I could do that, but I have to work, and entertain a woman.
>>581200689Oh no poor you, that must be so awful
>>581200863Well it is. All work and no simming make Anon something something
PULL UP
>>581152454Reminds me of the one time I blew off the ailerons on the Zero and managed to land using only the rudder.
Blackbird have teased an F-15C
>>581215192
>>581215192>Blackbird have teased an F-15CWas it about the weight? She's a pretty fat bitch.
>>581221747Is that to scale? That's ridiculous, the F-15 is massive
>>581215192Boring plane.
>>581225390For you
Professional Ship Simulator is out in early access, quite expensive for an early access game though.https://store.steampowered.com/app/3636930/Professional_Ship_Simulator/
>>581231386Shame it's Unreal Engine... Won't touch.
The weather in the Outer Hebrides is terrible at the moment so I went to the Bahamas
You really notice having shit hardware when flying helis
I found some cows. They run away if you fly near them.
>Tell us what you'd like to see from Top Mach Studios | 2027 EditionTop Mach Studios are doing a poll to see what they work on next, I've not seen devs to this before. https://strawpoll.com/1MnwkaNDLn7
>>581223902>Is that to scale?it's just the basic stationary f15 from Xplane so I have no idea. The M-346 is 11,49m long, the F-15 around 20 IIRC. kinda checks out
>>581236296true. I could still manage with the huey when I had a twist stick, but after getting the warthog I wasn't able anymore.
>>581238932I've tweaked the sensitivity settings enough so that it's manageable with the t16000m but there's still too much tension, twist rudder is shit and the throttle sticks. I'm actually going to order some lube to try and fix the latter issue as I've seen other people say it can help. I don't like the tension in the stick but I'm not sure what can be done about that, I don't know if lube would help that.
>>581239484You could probably use ControllerBuddy or something similar to change the stick twist into relative input instead. This way you could let go of it. I had a makeshift setup for collective and used analog stick with a relative setup and it works better than the direct 1:1 mapping or whatever.It's still horrible but stlightly better.
>>581245248That's a good point actually, I wonder if there's a way to do that natively in the game, I'll have to check next time. The R22 is actually very tame and doesn't need much on the anti torque pedals, powerful helis like the 500E are a nightmare with it though.
Is IL-2 Korea worth it now?
>>581248457I haven't seen many people talking about it for a while. Apparently the AI is shit but apart from that it looks good.
Houthis shot down a Saudi F-15
>>581248457Always has been if you enjoy ground pounding and have a decent machine.>>581250058AI being shit only matters for the MiG-15 campaign, from the US perspective the war was a turkey shoot and it doesn't really matter how poorly the Charlie prop pilots fly.Multiplayer isn't super active, but the regulars are all completely cracked WW2 dogfighting pros so expect to get stomped if you aren't already one of those.AI generated voice lines get old fast and the optimization is still dogshit, especially for VR, but the destruction mechanics are incredible and worth the price of admission.
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>>581264729based
Recently saw a nice scale model of a Mig-29. I had never realized how far apart were the vertical stabilizers, and how elegant its whole shape is. It really is a good looking plane.
>>581264729How do you manage to fly straight through the lamp posts?
>>581264973Yeah, those would have killed me!
Btw this is Copenhagen - Malmö bridge if anyone wants to try it
>>581259881Can someone explain the US radar gunsight to me? It says in the documentation for the US aircraft that come with the A-1C that it can be used for rockets and bombs at 9k feet of distance or less but it clearly doesn't line up. And yes I am waiting for the sight to adjust to the distance but the ordnance is always way off. There also aren't any different selectable modes for the sight. Is it just flavor text or am I missing something?
There is all kinds of birds chirping, a full ambient nature soundtrack when I turned the engines off. Oh and yeah I fucked up.
>>581108768anon that's her poop shoot.....
Shunting a overly long * be like
Time to add these two to my collection
>>581281589Welcome, brother! Make yourself comfy.
> stumbled into one of those momentsStill have to find the DM3 tho
>>581254008>Houthis shot down a Saudi F-15with what? I'm reading it was a domestically manufactured SAM. looks like the pilot tried to notch and throttle past it but that missile was schmoovin, wonder what it was
What type of aircraft is this and can I fly it in a simulator?
>>581304581https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_B-57_Canberraand yes
>>581281589It's important for their well being that airplanes are allowed to nest on top of a tree at last once a year.
this game is making me want planetside 3
>>581300480They threw a rock at it
>>581318906I used to play Planetside 2, it was good fun, haven't touched it for years though.
Poland and the Baltics will be the next World Update for MSFS
>>581320670The next local legend will be the Antonov AN-28. Apparently it was due to be the PZL M28 Skytruck but PZL Mielec is part of Lockheed Martin and they said no to licensing, for some reason they seem to be shit about licensing it sims.
>>581320796The Aircraft and Avionics Update will be five German planes that are part of the aviator edition, inibuilds will be doing the upgrades of the following>Dornier Do 27>Dornier Do X>Dornier Do 31>Junkers F 13>Junkers Ju 52That's 15 of the Aviator Edition planes updated now, the other 15 will be updated next year.
>>581320917This is interesting, a ground services app as part of the EFB is coming in SU7
>>581320527oops i posted that in the wrong thread but yeah planetside was fun i would play it now but i'm sure it's just a bunch of software-assisted chinese folks
>report couple of bugs>one is about the GHD going dark when MCSG (Main Computer and Symbol Generator)switch being turned off>reply is "we think that's accurate"Am I retarded? I was under the impression that Get Home Displays like pic rel were ISISes that their sole purpose was to still function in the eventuality that everything else went dark in the cockpit so that you could make it home.
Is Iron Nest still welcome here? What with the ballistics simulation not being an actual simulation and such.I just need to vent a bit, because holy shit are the devs retarded. They spent weeks after release to patch a bunch of non-issues, included a new feature for gamer dads, and now with the latest patch they STILL HAVEN'T fixed the numerous shit that prevents most people who aren't extremely lucky or can spend hours and days resetting to get the correct RNG to get all medals.The funniest thing here is the Phantom Battery accuracy medal being bugged. Real OGs might remember that in 1.0 the Phantom Battery shots counted as your own, so you always got friendly fire warnings when the PB hit something.Then they patched that out; however, PB shots still count as your own. Why is that? BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY ARE YOUR OWN!!! The dev thought it was a clever way to just spawn player shots and call it a day, and now he has to rework the entire mechanics in order to actually have non-player shots (which will undoubtedly introduce new bugs). The worst thing about this is, how did nobody ever catch that? They had like a million EA players, and nobody ever seems to have gone for all gold medals? Or did they know about it and thought "eh, nobody will notice"?Like, what the actual fuck. Shame the reviews are still overwhelmingly positive, because in the current state I certainly could not recommend it to anyone, and after they have fixed everything only for a tenner tops.
>>581325497>Am I retarded? yes
>>581325497I thought that was the point of standby instruments
>>581325497Maybe both main and standby instruments systems are powered through a common switch but are on a different bus..Only way to know how it works is to have the electrical diagrams (can often be found on older planes), or some POH describing instrument failure protocols.
>>581330601>>581331082>I thought that was the point of standby instrumentsThat was what I thought as well.>Maybe both main and standby instruments systems are powered through a common switch but are on a different bus..That could be it, but it seems like it would go against the whole point of a ISIS/GHD.>Only way to know how it works is to have the electrical diagramsThe only one I have is pic rel from the XP12 module which doesn't explain much.
>>581332768The MCSG is technically driven by the right BUS, but I still fail to see any mention in the manual about how the GHD is connected to the MCSG beside the fact that the MCSG should generate all symbology. (the PDU and GHD imho should still at least display power if the fault is only within the MCSG)
>>581321328Watching the stream now, or flicking through it, apparently 'all' 2020 era planes will come natively to 2024 in time all due to be completed by the end of next year and handled by inibuilds. Someone asked whether the DC-3, MU-2 and AN-225 are getting updated which prompted this answer, which is great as I love the DC-3 and it could do with updating, I think that was another Aeroplane Heaven plane.
>>581339187Ornithopter never
>>581341897Someone asked about seeing the Halo plane back in the game, Jorg said he'd look into it.
>>581341949It was a licensing issue, same as with Top Gun. Halo slop is easier since it's a Microsoft IP.
>>581325497Look at this zoomer relying on his LYIN' GLASS DISPLAYS!
>>581347730He needs to be able to watch thots on twitch and send them donations mid flight
Hi /simg/This is a version of Jane's F-15 that is unzip & play on Win10 (i don't have Win11)https://limewire.com/d/teLvU#M0moZMfu8m - unzip to C:\Games\F15- import the _REG file (modify it if you want a different drive/folder, check the file if before importing if you have a brain)It has a fixed .exe, fixed .dll libraries and preinstalled DDrawCompat (with 4x resolution upscaling) and doesn't need a CD image.Link is valid for another 48 hours, please download and shareBomb, bomb Iran
>>581352387>limewireNow there's a blast from the past.
>>581320670>Poland and the Baltics will be the next World Update for MSFSI'M NOOOOTICING
FOLKS!Hope we are all well. Rumours of my death are greatly exaggerated.Read some crackpot "news" one of you posted here about me dying a while back...Total total bollocks... Busy with a couple of the old mates.Pub band and had no time for simming. Got some spare time now.Checked out the new Korea game but I hear mixed views on it. Probably too new for my computer anyway. I'll stick with 1946. Doing a Pilot Career as a Luftwaffe fighter. Poland campaign was all milk runs! Not a peep of a single bloody plane that wasn't my own. Just escorting Stukas all bloody day. Just invaded France now. Looking forward to giving Pierre a bloody nose. In Sturmovik I mean !!LOL Keith
>>581347730I want either full glass or full steam.
Found the sucker
>>581357821kek, I wish the boomers on avsim were like that, they're mostly miserable cunts
>>581360407That reminds me of a time I was playing Minecraft with a mate and we dug a big tiered hole like that and we got really deep and one of us said>'Why are we doing this again?'>'I don't know'
sink rate
>>581374338What could have been
Some circuits in empty 737
>>581381849>circuitslame
>>581382679Nah, circuits in that cow are fun. Need to find myself some nice routes to fly.
>>581382679Circuits are pretty fun, kind of boring
>>581384794>>581389128yeah I was joking. Nowadays I almost only do circuits when I'm not trying to force bugs
>>581390019Some of us actually fly more than one plane and have to learn them sweaty x
>>581390924:-(
>>581391852Maybe you should get the Blackbird C-130, the Italian air force has a few
>>581312185That looks so comfy, she likes that tree
The Falcon 50 is both very easy and frustrating to fly well. Very hand off but you better come prepared. Landings stay tricky in particular, I'm still waiting to nail one.
>>581393935You'll want to turn around if you want to nail this one, the runway is behind you.
