edition editionPrevious thread: >>580841757>Latest News/UpdatesDarktide:Patch 1.12.5 - Patch Noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-12-5-patch-notes/124954Kuli's guides for beginners:https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210Vermintide 2:The Feast of Grimnir returns! Patch 6.12.0 patch noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-feast-of-grimnir-returns-patch-6-12-0-patch-notes/125081>Acknowledged but barely discussed :Left4DeadDeep Rock GalacticKilling FloorPaydayEarth Defense ForceWWZThe Outlast TrialsBarotraumaNo More Room in Hell 2Aliens: Fireteam Elite 2and others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
Felinids will show up in Decempurr. Trust the plan, anyons!>:3c
total ratjeet victory
Thugshot?More like ThugSHIT!
>>581226635You know what? I'm spiteful enough to count that, fuck those retards.Thanks for 6th shockmaul. I know it took a lot of developement time to make.
>>581232991Stick to your bread and butter, ratto. This experimental stuff ain't got it.
True Grit?More like True Shit!
My favorite multiplayer coop game is Baldur's Gate 3.
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
Hestia is objectively the prettiest tide woman.
>>581235070how did HR approved of such problematic design
>>581235070She's actually super attractive, still love she has the details on worn skin on her face, like if she wasn't stuck in the grim dark future she could be a model.
I liked Hestia before it was cool.
>>581235070Darktide characters aren't ugly enough. Make them as grotesque as in Ratclick
>the new ogryn shields heavy attack chain works the same>meaning you can still block cancel it into Heavy 1>it also seemingly might have better light attack with more single target focus like the arby mk6 shockmaul & shieldThis is just a direct upgrade to the old shield now that I think about it. I hope the stats on it are good and they didn't neuter the damage or stats on the new one.
>>581235070If you could clip your camera behind her desk this is what you'd find
>>581237963>light attack meme weaponIt'll inexplicably deal some 15% less heavy attack damage and thus be useless dogshit.
>>581238861Nuh uh
whats better adrenaline frenzy or chem dependency for a rampage build?
>>581239738Chemdep in auric because you do not need more burst and would rather have more CDR and a bit more tankiness, and some 50% viscosity meme stimm you can spam (even the top left branch isn't terrible here).Frenzy in havoc because you will be running a 100% viscosity DPS stimm if you aren't completely worthless or fucking retarded, which makes chemdep difficult to sustain without awkward downtime when a boss decides to show up.
>>581239738>indian “humor”
>block cancel push attacksall this is meme shit and I refuse to believe anyone uses it without mods that automate it
>>581240819I do it with the Relic Blade because the sprint stab is such a strong attack, that's about it though.
>>581240819I do block cancel on ogryn shield and no overload cheats on psykerand pbb rumbler is still twice as strong as any of that so who cares
>>581240819I do it to reset combos and force certain moves. Just admit that you're bad and can't figure out how to use complex weapons.
>>581241172>complexI love how this is the cope of every person who bothers to train themselves to use an unintuitive and badly designed system. I might as well flip it around and say you should admit you're a shitter because you can't clear the game without relying on combo resets and forcing movesets.
>>581241558Ah, you're using that bait again. Casinotard? Ratjeet? Which one of you is it?
>>581241152>strong thing exists so im allowed to cheatyou are a plague
>>581235070Would you let her touch you?
>>581243223Cheats exist so I can make mentally ill retards like (You) mad by talking about using them.
>>581243707No. Cheat's primary purpose is to compensate for the lack of skill. "Le making people le mad" is just a cope.
I used to block cancel manually with the slab shield but now i use the skitarius mod which saves me the hand pain
Squats in Darktide when?
>>581243987Aren't the squats all dead? The Votann are also way too strong and far away from us to make any sense
>>581243616Of course. She can work on one side while Sefoni works on the other.
>>581230032Hive scum was mid but should I buy skitarii?
>>581244401You should buy anything fatshark puts out
>>581244251>Aren't the squats all dead?No. This was never the case.
>>581243987I thought the devs didn't want to make really short heroes anymore.
>>581244401hive scum was mid because it was stupidly op in every department without being funskitarii is fun while only being OP with a select amount of things and being good in most others, thankfully those good things are also fun to play
>>581244829Oh, mb then I am a secondary. I've seen it said more than once that GW killed them off with tyranids or something back in the day
Oh Praise Be, we get a whole area. With one(1) new map releasing it means it is time for a quarterly vacation Sven!
>>581244251Votann aren’t *that* strong if it’s just a regular ship running around. They can also be found all over the galaxy not just in the core.
>Böss, the people are asking for more weapons!>Just give them the stuff that was mostly done, or can be copy pasted>But Böss, they want psyker staves>Sven, that is lost technology. We dön't do those anymore.
>>581246143Sven sounds like he's on our side but just mismanaged
>>581246226Sven is the one person at fatshark that can reliably clear damnation.
>>581246226the majority of devs are on our side genuinely though, they are just managed by Victor right now, the genius behind winds of magic and "the players dont know what they want", as well as expeditions and "the biggest content injection since launch"people like him are the ones who make decisions on what gets made (within the arbitrary constraints of gw so its 2 layers of retardation)
>>581244251>far away from us to make any senseThe territory of Segmentum Solar grazes the edge of the galactic core, which is where the Votann fuck around, it's not too far away.
>>581246226That 100% is likely. Many of the devs certainly would probably want to do something cool but the dipshit management just stonewalls everything or the managers say "no we'll be doing X instead because we need better quarterly showings for Tencent"
>>581247248I thought the area Atoma is in was cut off by warp storms or some bullshit and that's why they can't just call in real military forces to deal with this bullshit? Am I misremembering the plot?
>>581247409No, that’s correct, we’re limited to forces that are already in the sector/domain and already on Atoma, but that’s different from what he’s talking about
>>581249292Oh then yeah, I just meant it'd be pretty unlikely for any Kin to already be here in the moebian sector to come merc for us. FWIW I think it'd be cooler than a sister, I was just listening to a bunch of lore about them the other day
Is this still the darktide general?
>>581250215It can be whatever you want it to be, babe ;)
>>581250215Pretty much. If you want to talk about another co-op game a few people might respond. I think the new payday2 content has a few anons excited
>>581250215No, it's the No More Room in Hell 2 general.Did you like the new update?
>>581250215This here's a far far west thread, cowbot. We got skellies to shoot!
>>581250215Wrong, it's for PAYDAY 2!!!
>>581243987>darktide>contentlmao maybe another reskin next year buddy
Any of yall ever play Roboquest? That's a pretty fun co-op game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhW734-3dIUCool, good satisfying sounds. I'll be having some good chk-chk fun with this
>>581244251Votann are a loose ancap confederation of mining guilds, and there exist kins who trade/ally with Imperials on occasion or otherwise live with them after settling down on the same planet millennia ago like the Ironhead Prospectors or Vordine Squats. As long as they don't have their planetary strip mining ships with them, they're otherwise just shorter and tougher humans with better guns.
>>581253539So it's a pump-action shotgun with a flashlight?
>>581256280It's supposed to be arby shotgun without special shells for non-arbys
>>581253539the shot sound is good, the ka CHUNK could be meatier
ogryn thugshaker
>>581256484its also worse into armor but has higher finesse by comparison to the mark 8 arby shotgun that its similar to according to a testerthough thats not something a little rending on a marksmans focus executioners stance build couldnt easily fix, making it punch into everything like a semitruck
>>581253539>shell ejects automatically after firing but shotgun still needs to be cocked before the next shotEvidently the Mechanicus lost half of the STC for semiautomatic operation in shotguns.
>>581256484The description mentions it have a cone and not a duckbill pellet distribution as well.
>>581257075you can already do that with combat shotguns and the double barrel, but ammo is a concern and building stacks, along with reload>>581257162combat shotgons are semiautos
>>581257075While it's an obvious option on Vet, it doesn't seem particularly amazing for Zealot, going to be a meme on Psyker and outclassed by the pozzpistol on Scum which can deal with armor.
>>581256484Shame it's not a Slug shotgun, which is only going to the Ogryn
I must be the only one here who's actually excited for the update. Though I'll admit it's largely because I really like the double barrel shotgun and the new mark sounds like it can reliably hit snipers without having to jump through hoops.
>>581249824They can be found in a lot of places just mining shit and even doing stuff like hunting Tyranids, it wouldn’t be the most outlandish to say one was strolling by or is even already on Atoma looking for something and we just didn’t know given how big the place is.
>>581257924Fucked that it's on the Kickback reskin and not a slug firing Ripper Gun like in Dawn of War. Hell, I'd take a slug Ripper family instead of a single shot slugthrower.
>>581258225Don't worry I'm excited too
EVERYONE SHALL BE HAMMERED SOONWE ARE THE CRUSHER NOW
>>581258225I'm positively squealing with excitement
>>581259220OI UMIE? FINK U GOT DA WRONG GYM. LEATHA CLUB'S TWO BLOCKS DOWN
>No high capacity LMG-like gun for the vet in the new batchSigh another year of being the worst ranged class.
Who was in the wrong here? we lost the run right before the final event because of this death btw
>>581262105>Who was in the wrong here?Fatshark for inventing poxbursters
>>581258460it's probably a one-shot on a lot of mobs so the reload is probably a balance thing
>>581263538It'd still be ass because the GG and single stubbers exist.Only niche the thugshot would have is being a special sniper, but it is already outclassed in that role by at least 2 guns handily.Even more if you stretch the definition a bit, like even the achlys mk7 twin stubber and even the mk5 ripper gun can work as a special sniper.
>>581259220More pics like this?
Is the shop going to rotate tomorrow?I can't when it did.
Are there any good co-op games where you get to play and/or play with cute sexy anime girls in a fun engaging gameplay loop?All games with good character designs are turbo retard single player slop or seem to be shitty MMOs or lame PVP games.
>>581264698Left4dead with mods
>>581266008beat me to it
>>581264698Uuuhhh monster hunter?
>September 2026>Still no Zealot shovel:(
>>581259220Less pics like this?
>>581269272Here's your Zealot shovel, it even comes two-handed!
>>581262105Rumbler spammers are always in the wrong. I wish they would all just use the grenade gauntlet instead. While not OP like the rumbler, its still very strong, and fun, and more ammo efficient, and you can control when and where your explosions happen so scenarios like in your pic never arise. Rumbler spammers should be rounded up and put in camps.
Do you think we'll ever see something like a heavy stubbor or hot-shot lasgun for the vet? At this point I think never
...rat.....news....please.....
>>581275452Shut up NERD
Slab shield rework / blessing concept, for toooonking
>>581276037worthless, the people who care the most about being supressed, ignore being suppressed, toughness regen doesnt matter on those people anyway. youll be more helpful just running pbb twinlinked stubber than whatever this is, or just walking into the gunner
>>581250215this is the borderlands 4 general
>>581251416Pretty good with it being a month within launch. With all the god spots removed, people actually have to fight somewhat. Pottsville B scenario is brutal, but the gather planks at the end was tedious.
>>581276037How about making it restore a % of toughness to allies in coherency when it blocks a hit
whatever happened to ratclick versus anyways
>>581264698The First Descendant. You can spend hours fine tuning your modules and selecting a build, it has multiple builds for each character, and the characters are all attractive. Optional coop.
>>581278592>whatever happened to the meme PvP mode everyone told them would be DOA before it even releasedI wonder
>>581278758>nooo it's gonna be bad>implement it halfassed and don't even finish it so nobody really likes it>see?? it WAS badsome people just expect Fatshark to not fuck something up severely for once
>>581278967No anon asymmetrical PvP modes in these kind of games are just not fun to play, it doesnt matter how you balance them. >but versus in L4DYes that was 20 years ago and people don't play video games the same anymore. 9 times out of 10 you will be dealing with supersweats who make it their mission to find the most OP, broken bullshit and then repeatedly use that until they either win or make the other side leave. Then they wonder why the mode/game is dead. Happens every single time.
>>581279379such a retarded shit take, those games are incredibly popular still when implemented well
>>581280130You're welcome to give an example of asymmetrical horde coop PvP that's "incredibly popular", I'll check back tomorrow to see if the AI has found any for you.
>>581280387dead by daylight has millions of players retard
>>581278225that'd work too
>>581281771If your only criteria for the comparison is asymmetrical teams then why even have a discussion, you're obviously retarded
>>581264698>>581278604oh it's that game I seen spammed on v
>>581282569>name an asymmetrical coop pvp game>NO NOT THAT ONE! you are so fucking gay and dumb lol
>>581282789
>>581282789Where the fuck is the fingerless glove meter, how am I supposed to play this shit?
>>581283394Yeah you were missing the coop horde shooter part you fucking room temp IQ nog, dont post here again
>>581282789Yeah it's pretty fun. It has 260k peak players on steam and even more on console and has a wide variety of characters and playstyles, and tons of cosmetics, and you can wear anything from normal armor to literal lingerie.Of course /v/ would cherrypick the literal easiest character in the game. You really shouldn't believe anything they say, as a general rule.
>>581282789maybe the jews were right about usthe goyim must be stopped
>>581283770>noooo it doesn't count unless it's also a horde shooter toowhich aspects of what you mentioned are exclusive to horde shooters?
>>581278967I don't get why would you want pvp in a coop horde game. Because it's fun and L4D2 did it? Really, in what world do you think for past decade or nearly two decades now, gamers would play the game forerver for fun and not some form of progression and instant gratification? All pvp live service games have some form of frequent new contents, balance changes and most importantly premium skins. Unless a "beloved" AAA company make it, non other company can keep up the production. PvP comes with even sweatier mentality and hate losing even more.
>>581284641The horde shooter part? I mean I know you have no brain, but you do have eyes. If you can read part of my posts you can read the full one instead and stop asking stupid questions. You can't give me an example of an asymmetrical coop game like tide or L4D with a tacked on PvP mode that's also successful, because there aren't any. You're just one of those dumb niggers who argue theoreticals for no reason when you already know the answer to your question.
>>581285010can you read? what about the things you said apply exclusively to horde shooters, and not to any asymmetrical pvp game? and how do you explain that they're popular regardless? you're using the horde shooter thing as a copout because you're mad i instantly flattened your shit logic. the issues you mentioned have nothing to do with horde shooting
Guys stop fighting you’re scaring me…
>>581286240It's ok sweety go back to bed mom and dad are just talking a bit loud and it's all your fault
>>581286069>as a copoutYou are literally asking for it in a coop horde shooter you fucking moron, are we moving the goal posts now to figure out whether asymmetrical PvP games in general can be successful? Because if so then yeah, obviously, but it's completely irrelevant to the discussion.
*sniff*Finally, ogryns get a weapon that isn't made of scrap metal amd trash glued together with shit
>>581286541are you unable to comprehend words? you said asymmetrical pvp doesn't work in 2026 because>9 times out of 10 you will be dealing with supersweats who make it their mission to find the most OP, broken bullshit and then repeatedly use that until they either win or make the other side leave.so what about this logic is exclusive to horde shooters? why doesn't it apply to dead by daylight? impressive how many times i have to ask it while you dodge the question
>>581289024Because those games have been designed with PvP in mind and thus have elements implemented in core features such as map and class design to mitigate the oppressive effect a tryhard can have on the outcome of the game?Indeed it is impressive how you are this fucking braindead that I have to literally spell out the most basic logical loops for you word for word. This is the last (You) you're getting. Annoying fucking moron.
>>581289837you see what l4d did was just change core mechanics to make them fit versus which is why people actually play itvt2 versus sucks dick because they didn't do this. there is no other reason like the imaginary shit you made up about people playing differently in 2026, people always were tryhard griefers
>>581289996you weren't even alive when L4D was around and popular you larping nigger, make up some new shit to bait with, this is getting old
>>581290139both l4d games are still alive and popular, you should try thinking before you speak
>>581290139>No counterargumentReally cooked your ass there
I think ogryn should have gotten like a stubber autopistol or a torrent autogun, the same caliber as the human ones. Except it has much worse spread because he's retarded and also the model shows a gigantic box magazine attached to the gun so he doesn't have to ever reload it (because he's retarded).So it's a large crate with a tiny gun on the top of it and he points the whole thing at enemies and just makes them go away. He doesn't understand.
>>581290530Counterargument to what? His fantasies and schizo ramblings?
>>581290646Hand cannon
>>581230032Anybody having this weird glitch? Is FatShark aware of this and a patch is coming to fix it soon?
>>581282789>>581278604>The First Descendant.Redpill me on the grind/progression and the gacha slop mechanics. As someone who firmly believes that gambling is turbo retard mathlet tax to siphon money away actual sub-humans, I wouldn't ever consider playing it if the grind is bad and interacting with the retarded gambling is mandatory.
>>581295061it's not a gacha game. you dont' pay for rolls of anything, characters or weapons. everything is earnable or you can pay to skip, and some cosmetics are pay only but plenty also aren't. the only randomness is semi-randomness on mission rewards, which include the weapon and character crafting components, but the game sues a system where you can select things and you eventually get what you select. It's not gacha.
>buy skibidi>game keeps crashing
>>581295594You have upset the machine God
>>581295381Thanks for the info. How's the grind? Do I have to spend 30+ hours farming the same boring but efficient content to get the shit that I want? I quite sourly remember grinding for shit in Warfarm (but holy shit was it lucrative, I must've made thousands of dollars in premium currency just by doing endgame content with warbros)
>>581296274It has many elements similar to warframe.It's free so no harm in trying it and seeing everything.
>>581296996>It's free so no harm in trying itI've had buyer's remorse for games I've acquired for free. Spending five hours on something I end up hating is hardly "free".But sure, maybe I'll give it a try.
>>581278604That game looks awful.Characters are all nasty generic korean UE5 ai gen slop. Sure they have some outfits that are skimpy but that doesn't make them good.I don't think it's really fitting for co-op. That's not even one of the tags it has on Steam.>>581282789This looks like GARBAGE.A good co-op game isn't just visual effect spam and billions of damage per second flooding your screen.>>581266008>>581268010The more I look into it, this actually might be the only good option.
>>581301851L4D and L4D2 have a ton of mods. L4D2 still has a lot of people playing it so you can find a group to play with pretty easily. You can be a magical girl fighting Shrek as the tank if you want.
>>581294650I've had that glitch since forever. Are you on linux?
>>581303415NTA but I get that on Linux too, curious to see if he is also
people about to violently shit themselves when their havoc rolls burblespue
>>581308551I can't wait to never learn what the thing does because it gets 100-0 raped by my scum teammate when I chorus it.
>>581308551DT-only players are not fuckin ready for burplespue
>>5813095144 rejects would clap Turdle Poo's cheeks with ease
>>581276037>>581290646fatshark hire these men
>>581252743Great game, I have Ultimate Guardian (S rank on max difficulty) but co-op sucks, there's barely any interactions between players except killing enemies together and you have to share half your HP to revive so you can't easily carry
>>581253539wth is happening at 0:16?
>>581310991Sw*dish spaghetti and meatballs code. Small indie company please understand.
>>581260659
>>581308551>there's a non-zero chance of the new boss unironically being a reskinned halescourge or nurgloth
>>581252743I only know it exists because of a promotional PAYDAY 3 mask.
>>581278967>>implement it halfassedYes, this means it is BAD.Vs was a waste of time and money on a gamemode that was always going to be utterly worthless.Vs is quite literally just Ratclick's version of Expeditions. A worthless pile of fuck of a gamemode that should have never seen the light of day.
Just had a crusher show up on the final area of refinery delta 17??
>>581290646>ogryn auto pistol>it's just a braced autogun with a larger handle and no buttstock to fit his hand betterKino
>>581316553Yeah they do that sometimes now.
Why are the 6 "new weapons" actually 1 new weapon and 5 marks?Why are swedish "people" like this?
>>5813168163 new and 3 marks
>>581317095Executor shotgun reskinned for other classes is not a new gum
>>581316816You get what you pay for
>>581317464Retard
>>581317464By that logic all automatic weapons are just reskins of eachother
>>581317596Double barrel but now you can aim is not a new gunCrusher but with a different special is not a new meleeKickback with slugs is not a new gun >>581317670They are
>>581317726Twin-stubber, dual auto-pistols...basically the same weapon
>>581317891Yeah
>>581317945I see the light now anon-samaI kneel
>>581317726Don't care what you call it, retard. If it isn't a mark then it isn't a mark>Double barrel but now you can aim is not a new gun>Crusher but with a different special is not a new meleeThanks for proving that you don't know which weapons are just marks and which ones aren't lmao
>>581318350They're all just marks except the hammer, but only if their claims of a new moveset are true. Don't tell me you've actually fallen for their shit..
>>581318471You didn't decide to claim that the hammer was a reskin of the pickaxes just like you claimed the arbites shield and maul was just a reskin of the shock maul this time? Did you finally realize that you were being just a little bit too retarded with your bait?
>>581318671There's no bait, you are in denial and/or a shill
>>581318671why would a hammer be a pickaxe???
>>581318754Just admit that your ego is so fragile that it can't handle you being wrong about the number of marks in a video game update before you embarrass yourself even more
>>581318895It wouldn't be, but that retard has made similarly stupid claims before
>>581318923Next you'll claim the 2 burst and 3 burst rifles are different, you are DELUSIONAL
Can you faggots stop acting Indian for one second with your retarded arguments about semantics?
>>581319113Those are categorized as different marks of vigilant autogunsYAWN you're making it too easy to btfo you, but i guess i shouldn't expect too much from a literal retard
>>581319256I know right? Why'd he get so autisticAnyway I wish they made some slightly more unique things
>>581319282you raped him
Oh of course it's fucking ratjeet.
>>581319437Detective Retard over here
it definitely is a bunch of reskins if we're being for real
>>581312687Nice
Sah! When do I gets me hammah, Sah?!
>>58132248212 days
>>581322482delayed because you asked
In case anybody missed it, a new No More Room in Hell update lets you easily play private games>Added a menu in the Create Server dialog that selects a server type for Steam Networking, allowing public / friends-only / unlisted servers without port forwarding>Added ability to pause the game when playing in Single Player modeYou no longer have to download "beavis.wav" or deal with reserved slots or other garbage like a shitty admin or bad custom models.
>>581323401Is 2 good yet?
Need to keep going, need to...
Out of the 3 hammer designs leaked by RedHot, the one they ended up putting in-game was the middle-sized one. picrel is the larger>>581290646I am very pleased with this idea.
>>581324871and this is the smaller
this guy might be The Prophet of Decay.
>>581324871>Out of the 3 hammer designs leaked by RedHot, the one they ended up putting in-game was the middle-sized one.It's likely the hammer has variants to itself. Even the pickaxe has 3 variants.
The prophet of decay will turn out to be the mysterious priest of vagueposting and he'll disappear in a fart cloud when you reduce his HP bar to zero like the Karnak twins.
I was pretty excited to see what's new but the shield mk having the exact same heavies and the ogryn gun being kickback #3 kinda killed my hype..
>>581325619more like the poophet of dookie lol
>>581325921The shield heavy is just too good
>>581318350>>Double barrel but now you can aim is not a new gun>>Crusher but with a different special is not a new meleeThey really aren't. It's just an old gun and old mace they gave slight meaningless tweaks to.The DBS is just the same but with the firing modes inverted.And the crusher is literally just the devs copypasting the ogryn power maul mechanic onto a crusher.They are not new weapons.Not even the hunting shotgun is a new weapon, it's a 6th fucking shotgun in the game but this time they decided to slap a flashlight on it because they realized if they reused the combat shotgun mechanic again it'd be too obvious.
>>581325936Yes, prepare the rat
>>581325619>more reused contentTo be expected from Fartshart.
>OH MY SOIENCE VET GOT NEW SHOTGUNSLOP?>IT HAS A HECKIN FLASHLIGHTERINO TOO??>UNNNGH I'M BUYING 20000 AQUILAS>1.6k updoot hype in just nine hours for a fucking shotgun reskin that will turn out to be a direct downgrade from the slug combat shotgun>the showcase video showed a broken reload animation toward the endReminder that (You) are not the target audience.
>>581325921It's good that they kept the shield heavies the same, but I am still bitter that they didn't give the shield a power maul.And it annoys even more because the fucking slab shield weapon is literally referred to as "slabshield_powermaul" within the gamefiles, so the fucking devs 100% know what the mace is supposed to be.I have a feeling they are only keeping it as a dogshit shield stance because they are genuinely scared of making the 1 handed powermaul obsolete.
>>581325537In the future, hopefully. Not this patch.
>>581326493I would buy it for 20,000 aquilas if it had a folded stock and was literally just a space Spaz 12. I won't pretend that I shouldn't be ashamed of myself for being so easy.
>>581326674>can't even spell his gunfu's name correctlyBased 70 IQ retard
>>581326493The biggest issue I have with this isn't that it is a shotgun.No, I'm more fucking pissed that the weapon special is a useless fucking flashlight that serves no actual purpose besides 1 fucking mission modifier. Which I can just counter by not playing that boring, god awful modifier.
>>581326762I can go even lower. The Spas-12 isn't even my gunfu, it's the P90.
>>581326776It also serves as a surprise mechanic when some retard turns his flashlight on and leaves it on the entire time, then points it at a daemonhost, pissing it off and getting his ass killed!
>>581326634Nah, the variants will be there.
G-d, i hope the cruncher is basically an ogryn thunder hammer but better
>>581326906WTF I had no idea flashlights did that
>>581327926It's a reference to witches in Left 4 Dead.As a whole daemonhosts are a reference to that enemy, their internal name in the game code is "Witch"
>>581326776Made even worse with expedition night missions counting for the penance, a map you can actually see shit on. Lights out has no reason to exist beyond punishing you for hitting quickplay.
>>581327926>>581328018i know it activates them, but ive never seen a dh get violent over the flashlight. nice to see
Soon vets can shotgun poxwalker hordes all mission long
>>581329225But they can already do that...
>>581329291That's arbites that do that
>>581329370It isn't as if the vet didn't have the combat shotgun, even if it sucks
I think they should add a Heavy Stubber that goes STUBBA STUBBA STUBBA STUBBA when you shoot it
>>581329457Combat shotgun can 2-tap h40 crushers in under a second with the right build, and has some of the highest boss DPS available to vet (besides krak grenades). It definitely isn't bad, just unwieldy.
i am going to level huntsman on vet and never use it again. i met slap it on scum to see how desperado feels on it
>>581329645Do you even have to use it? Most of us have enough materials to max it out from the shop.
>>581329459Achlys mk2
>>581329730probably not, but if i get good craft i might as well use it
Crusher zealots are replacing power maul ogryns and cruncher ogryns are replacing thunder hammer zealots
>>581330205Unlikely, the new crusher is meme tier and inferior to the ogryn power maul.And I doubt the hammer will be as powerful as people think. I have a feeling it will be very middle of the road.
>>581330205>Crusher zealots are replacing power maul ogrynsPower maul ogryns don't exist, they're just ranged builds that happen to bring the paul because it has huge burst output, so they whack once before swapping back to ranged.Crusher zealots are already better at providing brittleness and stagger in the bodyguard role than ogryn. Taunt is a little stronger at the role, but chorus shits on every other ability in the game.Unless you meant new crusher. Which is going to be completely useless dogshit because the base weapon is unusably bad and the special spam is literally the only reason to ever bring it. Having a cooldown means you've bricked your melee slot.
>>581329730I probably have enough random weapons in my inventory to max out the new stuff without even buying anything.
I've been meaning to ask, has anyone else noticed that discarding weapons doesn't give you plasteel or diamantine anymore? What gives?
Here's your havoc 40 team mate, bro.https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1wiioj9/average_havoc_40_experience/
>>581335110What the hell are you talking about? The power maul is great on melee builds.
>>581335834And melee ogryn builds have no reason to exist in h40.Paul is pretty mediocre in auric where there usually isn't enough density to warrant it either. Most of what makes it work is being a Skullcrusher stick, but it's not like that helps you a ton in auric given the lack of actual teammates.
>no new staff
>>581335803>Mr Estrogen PoV in heresy games
>>581336242What's worse, I tried to set the thing to 1080p on the video, but there's literally so much shit happening on the screen it fucking blurs it regardless due to compression.
>>581331631Got the same impression with the cruncher hammer.>>581335110re new crusher mark: Fatshark man said they wanted to do something different and provide new opportunities for it. I took that to mean that the special attack is comparatively weaker, but the regular attacks will be stronger and more viable. The explanation made it seem like they wanted to make a crusher mark that was good enough that you didn't try to spam the special.Surely this is what they'll do...
>>581335803Come on man, this is clearly to help the hearing impaired players.
>>581335803>uses 6 gorillion cheats>too retarded to cobble together a reasonable lineup that can actually kill bosses
>>581335803>until they fix bursters i'm gonna use mods to make the game playable!
>>581336127It honestly is weird that we still have no new psyker staff, it's been almost 4 years since launch and we still only have 4 that were around at launch.People joke about the "lost technology" meme with Fatshark since the original dev team left, but I'm starting to think it is not joke. Especially when it comes to psyker staves.
>>5813364784 staffs, 3 of which share the same primary attackit's unbelievably lazy
The premium shop rotated if anyone cares.It's the rogue trader sets again + other old stuff. Only thing I can say is at all new in anyway there, is the heavy sword skin on veteran page, that's a black colored reskin of the Mordian Ironguard heavy sword.
>>581336372>Surely this is what they'll do...Do I need to post it again?What they'll do is what feels right in malice/heresy.Remember the infinite hordes event? The one that actually made aurics easier because it had its own unique modifier, locking event games out of being able to roll HISTG (etc.), in a mode that ALREADY spawns virtually infinite enemies if you just move at a reasonable pace?The new crusher will be balanced for malice/heresy, for players that trade health against poxwalkers. It'll most likely use the power maul's special attack 1:1, which means it'll obliterate an entire horde of poxwalkers and deal half-decent damage to an armored guy. And then leave you with a pillow stick for the duration of the rest of the horde, doing fucking nothing while your team kills everything lol.Of course, because instagibbing poxwalkers is so subjectively fucking AWESOMELY OVERPOWERED (in the mind of a heresylet), the weapon's base stats will likely remain largely unchanged. Giving it something like +30-40% more damage might make it usable on arbitrator. Maybe. But that's too big of a number for them to consider because of all of the above.Don't get your hopes up. Chances are the most retarded thing imaginable will happen because these devs are Sw*dish.
>>581336624Iirc the staves used to have little bit different primary attacks at launch. Like electro staff had a small smite-esque attack to stun crowds, but they changed for some reasohn,
>>581336127>>581336478It just can't be done, it's literally impossible. Do (You) have any ideas for a new psyker staff?
>>581316816Bro the "new" ogryn shield is literally 1:1 the same with slightly different lights
>>581338107I have yet to figure out how to use my hard earned skill to send my dog or servo skull through solid walls.
Consider this. Darktide.
>>581336852Are Fatshark and Arrowhead the same studio?
>>581338858Farttide
>>581338873Have you ever seen them in the same room together? Hmm?
>>581338858I would tank her blightstorm if you catch my drift
>>581338858hope it's a man
>>581338140Laser staff?Freeze staff?Telekinetic staff? That works kinda like brain burst but it is more of an AoE so you can brain burst multiple enemies at once?Sand staff? I dunno control sand with it and can use it to crush enemies or the psyker uses psychic power to harden the sand back into chunks of rock and hurl them at the enemies?Turn enemies into cookies staff?It's the fucking warp, aka magic at the end of it all, you can do all sorts of crazy with it.
>>581338873Some former fatshark employees actually do work at arrowhead.
>>581338858Next class looks great >>581325936>>581325332Appropriate
>>581338140Well for starters they can copy the vermintide staves that didn't make it over to darktide yet. That'll double or more their staff count. Add the ability to change marks for different primary attacks(flame puff, deepwood triple shot, shotgun/wave blast) and now the number is tripled on top of that, and it will be literally nothing new from what they've done before.
>>581339070Now that you mention it....
>>581340264>Well for starters they can copy the vermintide staves that didn't make it over to darktide yet.For me it feels like that if they could or wanted to, they would've already done so. There's no good reason as to why it takes like 4 years to add more staves.
>>581339797>>581340264Yeah these are good ideas. Unfortunately, these ideas can never be used now as Fatshark will see that as major izzat loss
>>581341516White people don't play the izzat game though?
>>581336434>weakened>weakened>weakenedlmaohow is it every single time someone pretends to be a god gamer they are full of shit?
>>581341996>whiteFatshark are in sweden
>>581341996They learnt off their good friend at arrowhead
>>581335803>giant red text marking the boss trigger>immediately walks into it to spawn a second boss
>>581326674no, combat shotguns are the spas 12, those are semi automatic shotguns, this is just a trenchgun, you have to pump between shots
>>581342878A trenchgun is not complete without a bayonet to stick into someone while you slamfire at point blank
>>581342951>bayonetThat would get in the way of le wholesome flashlighterino
What weapon needs the upcoming balance changes the most? Headhunter autogun?
>>581343362Yes, it first and foremost needs more forgiving hitboxes. It might even be decent once you no longer need CS pro player aim to hit heads with it. Some ADM buffs would be welcome though.
>>581343362>>581343467no, i ran with it, it those are fine, its actual issue is ammo and reload spead, its extremely accurate even when hipfiring
>>581343960Try aiming a pixel off target with the autogun. Now try aiming about a head's breadth off target with a revolver.It's retardedly strict in how accurate you, as the player, have to be. It has nothing to do with the gun's spread.
>>581343362All the autoguns.Infantry lasguns, please.Heavy Sword, again.Eviscerator could use a tune up.The veteran shovels could use a tune up.Basically all ogryn weapons except rumbler, GG, Pickaxes and Paul.Electrostaff.Power Falchion could use a bit of a buff on veteran.The explodey version of the boltgun and bolt pistol both need big buffs.It'd probably be easier to mention the weapons that DON'T need a buff.
>>581340264Fireball staff, conflagration staff, and flamestorm staff(or close approximations of them) are already in the game. That'll leave us with beam staff, deepwood staff, bolt staff, coruscation staff, and soulstealer staff(which kinda exists as brainburst) to add to the game.
>>581344382They all work fine on malice
>>581344382After the crusher spawn rate nerf, heavy sword has been doing alright for me. Their only wall is Crushers and you can bring a secondary on most classes to easily take care if that, or just rampage on scum, right?
>>581344148yeah, no, i never had a problem with hitting a target. they already increased the hitbox last year, its bigger on the burst fire ones
>>581343362All Autoguns
>>581344924I mean I guess, but carapace in general stone walls them hard.Doesn't help that most scab elite enemies now have carapace on them. And only way to deal with that is perfect strike but even that is kinda mediocre.Reason why Rampage Scum isn't effected because it's such fucking overtuned human blender that you don't even notice if there is a fucking armored guys in front of you until they are all dead.Only way Rampage Scum could be any more OP is if Scum had access to Martyrdom and then could generate gold toughness while the ability is active.
>>581344148It really needs to be about as forgiving as the achlys single stubber ADS. It's ridiculous that an ogryn can score headshots more reliably than the sharpshooter class.
>Ogryn SledgehammerI like it. It's simple and to the point. Beeg Mallet. I'm sure we'll see some Eustace Baggs jokes here and there, and hopefully a John Henry reference (I'm tempted to)>Pump ShottySame as Sledge. I like it, it's simple, and while a Flashlight isn't flashy (hehe) I think it's fine as long as the damage is better than the combat shotgun. The sounds are great for it. Plus, a Flashlight+Shotgun should make lights out more manageable; but we won't know until it comes out>Thugshot ShakerI guess we were right on it being a big slug cannon. I can't say I'm impressed. Lorenz is just better for the purpose. If I wanted to bean a important heretic, I'd just bring the Autocannon or a rock. I'm also not confident about the heavy armor with the line " It’s decent at dealing with heavily armoured enemies, but is not particularly specialized at it." from the blogAs for the marks. I agree the mace/shield just looks the same, and I don't see a difference for the Crusher beyond a bigger special boom.The alt Double Barrel I can see being used at least. Now we just need to learn more about the new mission and enemy.
>>581345835Honestly more weapons should have similiar "headshot magnetism" as the revolver.That's the main reason why that gun is still so good despite all the power creep.
>>581346203I'm more annoyed that the new shield is so similiar, they should've just reworked the original slabshield by buffing its light attacks + adding a new one, and then just rework the weapon special.I still don't understand why these clowns insist on the slabshield having the most god awful useless fucking gimmick in the game. It's actively worse than useless because it teaches terrible habits for new players, ie. creates toonkgryns, but it is bad for experienced players because there is literally no reason to ever use the fucking mace.Also I would've wanted the 2 handed chainaxe finally, it'd be something interesting and cool and be fitting of a 40k game. It's such bullshit, it'd be perfect for zealot.
>>581345546>And only way to deal with that is perfect strike but even that is kinda mediocre.It's not that hard to just aim for a mauler shoulder or a rager head for the juicy flak armor instead.
>>581341516lol>>581346242i thought it was mid tier at best?
So I want to play with the double barrel shotgun. Which class, and what build, please and thanks.
>>581349015Weapon specialist vet with bleed for magic reloads and stuff.
>>581348592>i thought it was mid tier at best?It's not really mid, but "just decent". It's not mid because it was largely nerfed, no it's just mid because it's been power crept by newer weapons which are just stupid strong.You can still easily use the OG revolver in havoc 40 and clear house, the main issue is the reload length and comparatively small ammo pool, but you can learn to play around these limitations with enough practise.If you have to compare weapons something like the original bolter and bolt pistol are like S tier weapons in havoc, the OG revolver is an A tier weapon in comparison.
>>581349747>revolver in havoc 40It's good on veteran. Just good, not bad or excellent. Mostly because it wants to be run on a meme melee build that is really good at clutching but pretty unimpressive otherwise. It's also kind of a chore to play, but good enough to be viable. The main issue is that melee-adjacent builds demand really good players, and it's enough of a red flag usually for me to just hit decline under the premise of my veteran not fucking shooting shit dead. However, some of the best vets I've played with used the revolver extremely well.
What's a good havoc build for vet that doesn't use boltgun or plasma gun? I never play vet and I'm looking on gameslantern. Are they really the only good options...
>>581349015Weapon Specialist VetCastigator EO ArbeetusDesperado Scoom
>>581350443>tardslanternNo, those are just the only weapons that retards can use to any effect, because they don't know good builds or how to play them.Critmaxxed Shock Trooper laspistol is good, but demands that you bring a crit aura zealot. Helbore is very good, but only if you have a dedicated bodyguard.Various pissvision builds can be good, but are very demanding. This includes the slug shotgun, which deals retarded amounts of DPS once you figure out how to juggle the reload and hit heads.>>581350212 revolver can be good with Weapons Specialist, but is very hard to actually be useful as.>plasmeme gun, boltgunBoth run into significant ammo issues, and do not make the cut for actual top-tier teams that funnel all of the ammo into the ogryn.Keep in mind that tardslantern caters to retards and trenchies. Nobody that successfully climbs to, or plays, 40s, relies on some popularity contest slop because they can make their own builds work.
>>581350443Use the recon las with shock trooper, you have great ammo efficiency, can spam burning and brittleness on everything, kills specials fast enough, it's an extremely reliable weapon for supporting your team which vet is the best class for
>>581351520>Both run into significant ammo issuesOnly if the vet is just spamming the gun. Main reaoson to use either of them is to sniper gunners, that's all you use it for.And MAYBE occasional magdump into a boss but you're better off meleeing all bosses pretty much.
>>581351941>recon las with shock trooperIn my experience, recontards always run their ammo dry without being useful. That isn't to say that the gun is bad, but it's laughable compared to the laspistol.>>581352141>Only if the vet is just spamming the gun.Unless your seed is extremely light on gunners for some reason, the vet will regularly dip into orange ammo and require pickups. This is borderline unacceptable when an ogryn can just giga nigga rape everything by holding down the trigger all game long, and the vet can achieve the same killing power by bringing a gun that has virtually, or literally, infinite ammo. Plasma and boltgun strengths simply stop mattering when the ogryn is already clearing every melee threat in existence.
>>581351520>tardslanternYeah, the more I learn about this game the more I make changes to the builds that seem fun or powerful i find on that site. Any tips on learning to make better builds for myself?>>581351941A good idea too, thank you.
>>581351520>actual top-tier teamsYou retardsperg mention those mythical pro teams every time like they are relevant for normal havoc players that just play in random lobbies.
>>581353257getting better at thinking
I hate using recon las because it just feels like a much worse version of a hotshot which is what I want
Good job, fatshark
>>581353510What the fuck are you babbling about?>install a CHEAT that lets you inspect players>decline builds that are retarded>accept good builds until a good lineup is formedIt's not even fucking rocket science. Accept an ogryn build that looks like it'll use a gun, accept a veteran that looks like he won't take all of the ammo. Fill the other two slots accordingly, done. You can even play either one of those two yourself. Just because you're a perpetually hardstuck sub-human retard doesn't mean that this is impossible to do in pubs.>>581353257>Any tips on learning to make better builds for myself?Plot out all the mandatory nodes first, strip it down to the bare minimum of mandatory shit, figure out how many points you can save. All of the bad builds waste a ton of points or path through functionally useless nodes. Don't do that.Look at what makes other players' builds work. Play with others that use weird builds, so you can figure out what things that you might not immediately believe to be viable, are actually good. But also just follow logical conclusions. If ogryn is the best at using ammo, then the next logical step is to draft 3 teammates that don't suck up all of the ammo. Bringing a synergistic build can be more beneficial than just bringing a generically strong one.
>>581353510I'm guessing no top-tier teams include you lmfao
>>581354392Hi tanner
>>581354731Tanner is functionally illiterate, you can't even make that accusation.
Do you guys recognize any players when playing havoc? Like do you see a name and think "Oh yeah this guy, he's decent?"Have seen some psyker and zealot players that are good and usually thrown an invite at them.I wonder if anyone recognizes my ogryn in havocs. I hope I've left at least a decent impression.
>>581354392>How to wait in party finder for 3 hoursYea i can tell you don't know what you are talking about. You live in your H40 "pro" bubble. A new player IS going to have to climb through the trench and he won't have True Survivors running turbo meta builds applying to his lobby. He will have to climb out of there without the perfect team comp every time.>Accept an ogryn build that looks like it'll use a gunYou don't get that in the trench, you will have to settle for the toonkgryn.>accept a veteran that looks like he won't take all of the ammoYou don't get that either, Vets almost don't exist there.
>>581354731i miss this lolcow
>>581355304>>How to wait in party finder for 3 hoursAs opposed to failing three 30 minute missions, de-ranking, and spending another 3 attempts getting back to where you started? It's never worth accepting a bunch of shitters that will just wipe at the first sign of the director having it out for you. If that means sitting in the party finder for some ~45 minutes until you find at least 2 good players and then accepting some filler retard, so be it.You don't get that in the trencDue to a lack of worthwhile players, the most important skill in the trench is just taking the role that needs filling. I doubt you'll have trouble finding bubblecuck flamepsyssies. If ogryns don't exist, be the guy playing PBB. Do it on NA servers to circumvent the language barrier and tell your vet to focus on shooting shit, while you focus on keeping him safe. Done.Alternatively, buy arbitrator and spam shock mines. Utter dogshit build, but it bypasses the need for passing DPS checks against armor. You're just extremely likely to just fucking die and wipe when the director decides it's boss train time, but that's most likely all trench games anyway because trenchies are stuck in the trench for a reason that is not related to being artificially kept there. They are just bad.(You) are just a bad trenchshitter trying to cope.Shut the fuck up.
anyone noticed that finnish "people" suck?
>>581356173I've played with countless users and thought to myself "holy shit this guy is fucking brain damaged", yet I can count the number of users that were NOT Russian, on one hand. It's always some slavgroid that is impossibly retarded.I don't even remember playing with a Finnish retard, even if I most certainly must have at some point.
>>581356173This post was written by Russian hands
>>581356535Found the fingoloid
>>581355952>You are just a bad trenchshitter trying to cope.I'm not. I have 10x less hours than you (i hope) and i make active progress. Havoc made me main Zealot with chorus exactly because he's the anchor most teams need. Even with perfect team comp on paper you will wipe regularly because of skill issues of your team or your own or just because of the director being a sadist. I bet you wouldn't win 10 games in a row going from 30 to 40 despite waiting 5 hours searching for the perfect team every time. Hell i bet you would lose 3 games in a row at least once.
Finns are just russian swedes
>>581356173You winning the 3 day special operation yet?
>>581357121Finns are just Vikings that never stopped being angry at shit.
>>581356681>I bet you wouldn't win 10 games in a row going from 30 to 40 despite waiting 5 hours searching for the perfect team every time. Hell i bet you would lose 3 games in a row at least once.But I regularly make the 30-40 climb in 1-2 days every reset. Winning 10 games in a row isn't super realistic with randoms for reasons you've described, but losing (not even de-ranking) more than 2 is also unrealistic. Sometimes a chain of freak accidents coincides with the director going apeshit and you wipe. Sometimes someone swaps to a meme build that ends up not working out. Sometimes the team needs a couple of warmup games before you're used to each other's playstyle. But usually the ~30 minutes sitting in the party finder for the first game, translate to keeping the same party of 3-4 for several games because everyone wants to climb and obviously good teams stick together.>Even with perfect team comp on paper you will wipe regularlyThis is only true on the semantic technicality that "the perfect team comp" can all pick completely retarded anti-synergistic builds. The thing is, when you actually know how those classes' builds function, what skills are taken by good players, and what skills are taken by retards, just filtering out bad builds filters out the retards. You will naturally have good players by only accepting actually well thought-out builds, not some random retard shit that picks up a melee cleave node based purely on vibes, or takes vet melee bleed, or worse yet, skips Field Improv.This doesn't mean meta slaving btw. It just means looking for the bare minimum and declining obviously retarded shit. There's a good handful of legitimately S-tier builds that aren't relevant in the meta because nobody plays them (or even acknowledges they exist), assuming we are talking the actual classical definition of meta, not the incorrect and retarded backronym.
>>581357221I don't like russians either
>>581357405They weren't vikings
>>581357405What >>581357664 said>t. Finn
>>581357472Yea i agree with you 100% and i can tell you are not that aggressive aspie i replied to earlier. Life in the trench is hard but you will of course get out if you stay consistent and try to somewhat synergize with randoms.
>>581357515I don't hate Russians, they're clearly in a shit spot right now between a pointless war, having a corrupt government, and a choice of either living in the 2 actual proper cities vs The Corpse of the Soviet Union (anywhere not Petersburg and Moscow). But the ones that kneel to ze Putin or happily went along with their war, yeah no.
>>581358054
>>581358105I am literally the only one answering questions about havoc and you are still a faggot for coping this hard about being in the trench. When you strip away all pretenses, all cope about muh trench, all blame directed at teammates, the servers being shit, the game being buggy and crashing, and all of the other shit that EVERYONE ELSE ALSO EXPERIENCES, at the end of the day, the old competitive video game mantra holds true: (You) are the only constant. If you aren't climbing, the issue lies with you. Whether that's >willingness to use the party finder correctly>willingness to host and decline retards>willingness to use an inspect mod or join a trooncord (see >>581193596 ) for victory>willingness to play a different build or class>just poor decision making or poor gameplay executionyou need to take fucking responsibility. You can't change the game being shit and teammates being awful. You can only change your own behavior and adjust accordingly. No amount of coping and crying about "sitting in the party finder for 5 hours" is going to make you UN-lose those 3 ranks you dropped by failing to do any of the above correctly.
>>581358267Did i ask?
I just got cleared for aurics. Expect me to shit up your lobbies.
>>581359370please don't...
>>581354392>Bringing a synergistic build can be more beneficial than just bringing a generically strong one.I will start to work on some more builds then. I have a few already, but some of them are pretty general. I will download some "cheats" so i can tardfilter. Is there a resource on 'mandatory skills' for each class or is that just experience/knowledge/studying other builds?
>>581359370You are getting carried, and YOU are going to LIKE IT! End of story!
>>581359481>Is there a resource on 'mandatory skills' for each class LMAO there isn't a resource on fucking anything regarding Darktide. This community is somehow even dumber than Borderlands, which is a fucking achievement.>is that just experience/knowledge/studying other builds?Mostly this.I could make a whole write-up about it, but I don't feel like doing that right now, and it's just going to get some terminally brown retard crashing out over the izzat loss of calling his build shit for not taking the mandatory skill.The most important ones off the top of my head are>arbitratorTtW + Soulguilt, dog must have Canine Morale, no good player uses Stance>zealotPurity aura, Shield of Contempt, BP crit aura, and chorus are all mandatory. I'd even say not picking chorus DR is retarded, because it's vastly mathematically superior.>vetField Improv is strictly mandatory. Keystoneless deserves being blocked.>psykerBrittleness on flame staff is the hallmark of an extreme retard.>skittySkull but not picking up med skull is the kind of shit that should get the player curbstomped into a pulp in Minecraft.>othersI'd have to look more closely at the skill trees again and I don't care enough right now. It's usually contextual.
>>581360081Oh right.>scumChemdep is the retard keystone, crate is useless and does nothing at low viscosity. Both are effectively griefing; if you want to deal with corruption just bring a zealot and health + corruption res curios. Melee scum is a rape machine and a 100% viscosity stimm deletes boss trains, but is obviously incompatible with chemdep unless you enjoy having awkward downtime when a boss spawns.I fucking hate crateniggers.
>>581359435Ruby sex>>581357405They had something funnier honestly
>>581360081>Shield of ContemptDoes this work on the hit that procs it? Can it save you from overhead?
>>581359103Uhh....
>>581362173Yes, yesn't. It can't save you from an overhead if you didn't have enough DR/health to begin with. A veteran still gets mulched.The details don't matter much. It's more about the fact that it gives fuckhuge amounts of DR when it actually matters, and havoc players shouldn't take unnecessary chip damage to constantly waste the cooldown, unlike auricbabs that get hit by stray poxwalkers nonstop because they never bothered to learn the melee. It can be what lets someone survive an unexpected shooter volley.
>>581360081Very useful, thanks. These are some perks I see all the time, so not surprised they are there. Time to have fun making builds and throwing because they're bad for a few games.. but I will learn!
>>581359370JAAAA. ICH LIEBEN SCAT
>>581367309Delete this.
>>581363162Sorry I don't speak turkish, kebab?
>>581356378Finnish usernames are hard to tell apart from other nationalities. But if it's a slav you can always tell since their usernames are written in cyrillic script.
>>581371285>But if it's a slav you can always tell since their usernames are written in cyrillic script.
So who is gonna rage quit from their slides getting cancelled?
>have to hold the special attack button to do the only strikedown attack of the weaponThanks I hate it. I hope it'll just be a worse branx pickaxe so I don't feel bad for never using it, like the mechanicus psword.
>>581376670Abe's Odyssee vibes
>>581376867But Branx is the best pickaxe.
>>581371285You are going to be shocked if you look up what alphabet western slavs and balkans use
>>581376867>like the mechanicus pswordhttps://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/1009
>>581376670Woah is that.. is that a... is that an industrial corridor with linear pathing? Damn never seen this before in poxclick
>>581382761That might actually save the weapon for me. I'll have to try it.
>>581360081>I'd even say not picking chorus DR is retarded, because it's vastly mathematically superior.Why? All the enemies are staggered and you have gold toughness.
>>581382761>the game is such a broken mess that random modders have to step up to fix simple issues the studio keeps ignoring, some of the bugs are many years old and they just do nothing despite knowing about themI hate fatshark. And not in a "haha funne" meme way, I have genuinely come to despise them. All I feel toward them is vitriolic hatred.
>>581376670It's nice to get another zone, but that makes 2 zones with only 1 map. Bet the December patch has that biome dumped into Mortis trials.
>>581390362can't wait to listen to Sister Prine's tragic backstory to learn why she hates the nobles so much while grinding Sororitas DLC penances
>>581390317Never attribute to malice (arrowhead) what can be explained by stupidity (fatshark).
>>581390317They might not be able to fix some of the bugs since the engine the game runs off stopped being supported years ago.
>New shotgun mark is just a recolor of the branx skin
>>581397335Just like the new crusher and the maul on the new shield is apparently also taken from some skin. It's hard to even laugh at them
>>581399292They really hate working on this game kek
>>581399292>>581400297Damn we really have a skeleton crew left working on this then
>>581400670Took you long enough.It's a miracle we are getting a new level, though it remains to be seen how long it is and how many assets they reused.
>>581376670>the game is basically solved>everyone sliding around completely ignoring ranged enemies >it requires a modicum of skill to execute>not that hard on its own but it adds up with the rest of the game mechanics>...>retarded evil petty ugly on the inside swigroid sees someone being better than him at anything>he knows that he would never be at the same level, even if he applied>but he won't ever apply, ever>...>puts in literal speed bumps out of malice>"if I can't, then neither can you"amazingnuke the entire Scandinavian peninsula
>>581376670Surely they're only cosmetic. Surely
>>581376670https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiggers
Sororitas in DecemberAeldari for Skulls, this is where they jump the sharkMaintenance mode after that
>>581405774>Aeldari>fatshark releasing a playable race and class that would require completely new weapons and abilitiesHahahahahaha
>>581406984Understandable, however consider: They made that lanky skitarii skeleton and would be able to reuse it like the lazy swedes they are. Admittedly, that's really the only reason I think it's a possibility
>>581405774Eldar would never happen, ammo and grenade pickups won't work for them and you couldn't justify having them get pricked with human stimms or using the medicae station.
>>581405774Kroot mercs for Skulls
>>581407797Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, it's been a long time since I played, but I'm pretty sure Yrliet could use human stimms and medkits in Rogue Trader.
>>581408643Yeah, that's a thing, ammo's still an issue though
>>581408867It just works.
>>581409049Get back to work on TES6, Todd
>>581408867Ehhhh it seems like a really minor point. If Fatshark wanted to make an Aeldari I don't think that would be the thing to stop them. Our "ammo" already refills everything from autoguns and grenade launchers to plasma and lasguns, it's been hand-waved as a game mechanic from the start.
>>581405774Give DT another year or two, at least on VT2 10-year plan ends. DT is at least still making money for them to work on something. VT2 is much less so.
>>581409175Eldar weapons would be too dramatic a shift for that to work. It'd be simpler to make them heat based and work up the class to rely on weapon swapping and heat management.
>>581409175So you be saying, there's suddenly mags of shuriken ammo just lying around Imperial ammo supplies, while the armory suddenly finds hundreds of shuriken catapults and Eldar power swords found on Atoman battlefields.
>>581409541>the armory suddenly finds hundreds of shuriken catapults and Eldar power swords found on Atoman battlefieldsThat's something else to think about, eldar taking their weapons to Hadron for improvement would be fucking insane as well, they'd need their own shrine for it to make any sense.
>>581409541Yeah? Just like we suddenly find hundreds of power swords, arc rifles, plasma rifles, galvanic carbines, power falchions, thunder hammers and psykers.
Simply teach the space elf to use a lasgun and a shock maul, simple.
>>581409541So you're saying every ammo pickup includes Shredder Autopistol, Braced Autogun, Infantry Autogun, Vigilant Autogun, Quickdraw Stub Revolver, Bolt Pistol, Combat Shotgun, Double-Barrelled Shotgun, Heavy Laspistol, Infantry Lasgun, Recon Lasgun, Spearhead Boltgun, Plasma Gun, Helbore Lasgun, Purgation Flamer, Inferno Force Staff, Electrokinetic Force Staff, Voidblast Force Staff, Voidstrike Force Staff, Exterminator Shotgun, Subductor Shotpistol and Riot Shield, Dual Autopistols, Dual Stub Pistols, Needle Pistol, Galvanic Rifle, Arc Rifle, Phosphor Blast Pistol, Grenadier Gauntlet, Kickback, Ripper Gun, Heavy Stubber, Rumbler, Twin-Linked Heavy Stubber ammo and Throwing knives???
>>581409943Lol i accidentally included the staves
>>581409943You're not questioning the judgement of the emperor's departmento munitorum, are you?
>>581409943Shotguns (includes Ripper Guns), autoguns, autopistols, lasguns etc can be assumed to share ammo types, so it's only really bolter ammo and plasma ammo lying around in bulk stretching disbelief, but still not unreasonable given we're fighting on a world that actively shits out weapons and ammo for entire armies.
>>581410515Everyone knows what you're doing. Ammo a stimm compatibility is one of the most retarded arguments you have made so far
The idea that they'd have to make an entirely new host of weapons is the real reason it'll never happen. Hadron working on an Aeldari rifle is pretty funny to think about though
>>581411025If it's not dummied/placeholder content in the years old datamine, it's probably not coming out at all.
>>581411153Unless it's new class weapons
>>581411153Reskins of existing weapons would work fine, they'd just have to stick new sound designs on top of them. A shuriken pistol would essentially just be a shredder for example.
>>581408305way too out there sadly plus we’d never get to use their main ability>>581409541that would be silly too, we’d need a new hub exclusively for Eldar most likely
>>581411153If Fatshark is willing let Red Hot studio design more weapon models, maybe and whatever Swedish vacation or GW being in the way of development.
>>581353510>normal havoc players that just play in random lobbiesI stole this image from a different board to show you how "normal players in random lobbies" fare.You can bring shit that's not viable to havoc. But you won't win.
>>581414003Grim.
>>581411025And if you thought the cosmetics situation was bad with the DLC classes now… lol…
>>581414003What's funny to me is that these lineups don't even look particularly terrible, so they must all be playing retarded as fuck builds. I dread to imagine what the arbitrator is running.
Skibidi
>>581430194How Would You React If I Went To Your Nigga Ass Ghetto and Started Blasting the Skibidi Song While You Was Tryna Sleep.
>>581430507... and other trail songs
This How I'm Gonna Pull Up On Yo Ass, Bitch.
>>581431503That reference is older than most anons here. Still respect it.
ratajeta
>>581394224Stingray Engine was literally created by Fatshark themselves.
>>581431503Unc meme
>>581397335>>581399292>1 (one) new weapon and 5 (five) reskinsInsane
>>581437983>and still no new psyker staff after almost 4 yearsThis game has no future, genuinely.
>>581437983>>1 (one) new weapon and 5 (five) reskinsYou know, I was curious about this because I only gave the sneak peek a cursory view and didn't bother actually looking at it more closely. Let's do that right now.>Ogryn CruncherI don't recognize the moveset because I don't play ogryn enough and I don't want to go check, but isn't it kinda similar to one of the pickaxes? Either way I imagine it's worth considering it to be a proper new weapon.>Huntsman's ShotgunA fucking retarded addition, but calling it just a reskin may be a little unfair. We don't know yet what kind of blessings it'll have, MAYBE it'll be meaningfully different from the combat shotguns. As it stands, I remain pessimistic that it'll ever be able to compete with the slug combat shotgun, so it may just be dead on arrival.>Ogryn ThugshotReskinned and downgraded kickback. It'll need juicy enough stats to hit relevant one-shot breakpoints in h40, and likely won't see any use anyway because it'll no doubt have some dogshit ammo capacity.>Crusher Krourk Mk VIIReskinned and downgraded crusher since spamming the special is the only reason to use it, 99% sure it'll be useless dogshit unless it has BIG damage gains which may make it viable on arbitrator, but I sincerely doubt it.>Double-Barrelled Shotgun Krourk Mk IVReskin.>Gromm Mk I Battle Maul and Mk V Slab ShieldReskin.>verdict4 definitive reskins, two of which I suspect will be direct downgrades. The only one I'm not entirely certain on is the Thugshot, maybe it'll have a useful niche.1 fully fledged new weapon in the cruncher.1 uncertainty in the shotgun, it'll depend on the blessings, but I doubt it'll ever outcompete the combat shotgun when used correctly.
>you have heard of psykhanium theorycrafting sissies>now we have people theorycrafting about weapons about which they know nothingLmao
>>581439617Isn't it a little early for this, Sven?
>>581438913to me it seems similar to THE pickaxe, I mean the original from Vermintide, with like, Kruber warhammer heavies thrown in
lads I am a shrimple man, I am excited for the ogryn hammer
>>581439826Yeah it doesn't have to be a bad sign. If anything, fatshark reusing VT content is probably positive overall, because it means they have nothing to fuck up other than the weapon's stats. I just wonder how completely useless the blessings are going to be. Inb4 it's another 2 mandatory blessings to make the thing even usable.What I'm most curious about are the upcoming balance changes. Flame staff nerfs will be barely relevant because psyker has a better build now. I suspect rumbler nerfs but I doubt they'll touch the GG which is just as overpowered. I also expect Skullcrusher nerfs but no compensatory buffs to the weapons that relied on it because fatshark.>>581439906I'm also looking forward to the hammer, I just hope it'll be good. We already have a brutal big bonker in the heavy pickaxe mark, I can't even imagine what role the hammer is supposed to have. I hope we get 3 marks for it, but we currently can't know for sure, since fatshark is at least relatively honest with the specifics of content they're delivering. If they say we get 6 weapons, we get 6 weapons, no more no less.
Are there any Scum builds that can match Axe + Rampage? My interest for the class fell off a cliff once they nerfed crates
>>581440780Yeah. Scum + shivs
>>581440825Still rampage though? Ugh that's even more boring
>>581440780In havoc? The shivs are also very strong, arguably better generalist weapons without team support, especially because you get more mobility.High viscosity (ideally 100%) crates are also good enough to be viable, the melee CDR in particular is one of the better "win more" crate buffs since it buys you a lot more chorus/shout usage. But with a 100% visc stimm you're pigeonholed into applying at least some toxin to maximize Sample Collector, so you either use the bone saw, or you're in the cringe side of the tree. Though I suppose Blackout + Pocket Toxin is surprisingly decent overall, even if it costs you the RPG.It's the low viscosity crate build that is completely retarded pointless griefing.In auric? I actually think Desperado is more useful here, not only because it's a lot less risky than putting yourself in melee, but also because it lets you do objectives and revives while under unexpected gunner fire (although removing those is technically your job).
>>581440879It's the best ability by far
>>581440368>I hope we get 3 marks for itI think because they announced the 3 marks for existing weapons as if it's a big event, it's implied the new weapon types including Hammer have only 1 mark at launch.>>581440879Is the solution to not play Havoc? I'm an Auriclet, but it's obvious that as you go up in difficulty the build and weapon variety narrows.It sort of makes me wish obviously powerful weapons, abilities and talents were nerfed so good players didn't get siloed in Havoc.
>>581441684>Is the solution to not play Havoc? I'm an Auriclet,Auric and havoc may as well be completely different games. The overall gameplay loop looks different, builds look different, team compositions are wildly different, and you can't just solo every mission on every class in havoc. In fact, it's quite difficult to solo even the "easy" to solo missions on classes that are good at it.Auric and havoc ask for different skill sets. Havoc checks your knowledge and patience/willingness to construct a good team. Auric is all about mechanical mastery. A bad auric (3 deadweight shitters + difficult enemy seed + director bugging out) is often a much greater ask on your individual execution skill than most havocs will ever be, because you usually have actual teammates there, and often someone experienced enough to direct the team (even a chorus zealot pinging a ledge, and everyone knowing to retreat and let them ledge the boss, is commonplace in havoc and an impossibility in auric).>it's obvious that as you go up in difficulty the build and weapon variety narrows.Auric still allows for plenty of build variety, as long as you cover your bases. You need to be able to solo everything of the worst the game can throw at you, so every build needs to have a can opener, horde clear, and at least adequate boss killing, and then either fast revives or good ability to do objectives. Scum is unfortunately miserable in this regard, because you have no standout ability to revive or do objectives, so you rely on your out-of-place maliceshitters to at least draw aggro while you do an objective, because they obviously won't do it.
>>581439617The devs posted vids of the movesets lil nigga
>>581444309>she think movesets tell her everythingHoly fuck you're retarded
>>581445765The movesets show us a whole bunch of reused content, why do you sound so pissed off??
>>581445765come on now johannobody said that but you
>>581233775same, unironically
>>581414003>kuli
>>581447831Played with him once, he's not that good of a player. Constantly rushes away from the team
>>581447949Yeah yeah whatever. Where's the scoreboard?
>>581450190You're never getting one. Anon remembers the event because he got humiliated by the scoreboard showing a gray number under his name because he fucking died from not having his hand held by the "rusher". That's how every "rusher" story goes.
>>581450534You didn't have to call him out like that...
>>581450651I fucking hate anchortards. Bring back gatekeeping. Relentlessly fucking bully them into quitting, or lowering the difficulty, or gitting gud.
>>581450889Trvke
>>581450889This nigga injecting truth serum recreationally
>>581450190I don't use any mods. This was the Torrent assassination mission, I was playing taunt ogryn and he was playing melee psyker. He was constantly rushing ahead and getting himself killed. Instead of pulling back when there's a congaline of armor and bulwarks.He died like 3-5 times.It's all anecdotal but that is what happened.
>>581440368>I also expect Skullcrusher nerfs but no compensatory buffs to the weapons that relied on it because fatshark.Do we NEED compensatory buffs? From memory the weapons that have this blessing are:Power maulBully clubShockmaulDevil's clawCRUSHERThammerOnly the latter two are really bad, the others would be fine even if skrusher got axed to half its current values.Even then, it'd still be best in slot and is like 30% of the reason player power is so high.
>>581452908>I don't use any modsHow convenient
>>581453797>Power maul>Bully clubThey aren't really usable without Skullcrusher. Ogryn melee weapons need a slight overall buff if you give Skullcrusher a significant nerf. >ShockmaulWould be unusable without Skullcrusher. It's the only reason to even bring it. If they nerf the blessing by splitting it up into per-weapon stats and leave the shmaul as it is, that's probably fine, but nerfing Skullcrusher without buffing the weapon itself would just kill it.>Devil's clawThis is probably the best one without Skullcrusher, and even it is pretty mediocre in general, but would lose a ton of utility without Skullcrusher. It's currently semi-viable to bring it on psyker or veteran as a debuff + parry stick, similar to shmaul which is a debuff + shield rape stick.>ThammerI mean the thammer is a piece of shit, and it doesn't even usually use Skullcrusher.>ogryn shieldYou forgot the most important one. It already deals barely any damage, WITH Skullcrusher.>it'd still be best in slotYeah, of course. Even nerfed to like 3% per stack, it would still be incredible. I'm not talking about the overall power of Skullcrusher and how overpowered it is for the team. This isn't really up for debate, it's fucking ridiculous. The problem is the individual power loss if you nerf Skullcrusher and don't compensate the weapons that are useless without it. Imagine being forced to use a Skullcrusher weapon on ogryn, but now, assuming 3% per stack and 24% max stacks, you've lost (1-(1.24/1.8)) 31% of your overall damage output before accounting for the other tiny damage debuffs ogryn has. Just like that. Some 25-31% damage loss. Including in auric, where your teammates were NEVER using the Skullcrusher debuff to any effect anyway because they aren't even playing the same game as you, scrounging around for plasteel.
>>581450889>use one or two out of three rockets on scum>camp for 5 minutes near a grenade box because I don't want to waste it
>>581454592take the box and fucking go you fucking penguin
>>581454592That's when you find the world's unluckiest single poxwalker and send him straight to hell with it so you can snag and move on
>>581450889My fav rushing complaint. Something something game is beautiful, something something exploration and something something Malice difficulty.
>>581455626HAUL ASS NIGGA
>>581455626i mean it's a legit complaint. He's new to the game, he wants to look around. Meanwhile his teammates are trying to speedrun through malice to level their characaters. It's an unfortunate side effect of how the game is designed.
>>581455626>>581456063Yeah the game is poorly designed, I think this is one of the better arguments in favor of that solo mode they promised and never delivered.On the one hand, lagging behind in the babby difficulties is whatever, and rushing ahead of the obvious noob is indeed kinda lame. On the other hand, I've leveled a good handful of new characters and have run into at least two instances of some retard getting lost traversing the level in reverse, not even making an attempt at reconnecting with the team, and wasting literally 5+ minutes while the team is waiting at the airlock/elevator. That isn't acceptable either.
>>581456449some people are straight up retarded, it is what it is
>>581455626FS should remove uprising or low intensity at least.
I can't imagine a single universe where the ogryn slug gun is good
>>581457962Maybe it will allow you to 1shot snipers at any range without you having to waste talent points on extra ranged damage
CHINA NUMBAH ONE!
>>581457962
>>581457962maybe if it fired a cannonball that went through chaff and ricochets around like a pinball after hitting an elite or special, haha wouldn't that be funny?
>>581458401>nerf your meta
>>581456449RATJET RATJEET RATJEET AAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>581458401Maybe don't bring inefficient dogshit into H40?
>he can't win without "good" loadouts
they nerfing the fuck out of gold toughness
>>581458401>Reject individuality>Shit on "main character" retards>Mock Western youtubersDare I say, based?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBSUVgU4iNg
>>581459383https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhkSoXQj9T8I wonder how it smells marching behind them
>Tax node status: REMOVED
>>581459006Why? you're too bad to win without a meta group?
>>581460247>>581459304>t. 10% winrate
>Replenish 1% Ammo every 15s.FREE...AMMO? FREE...ROOMBLIN'?
Give ogryn a flamethrower
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/preview-upcoming-balance-changes/125587https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/preview-upcoming-balance-changes/125587https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/preview-upcoming-balance-changes/125587LET THE CHINESE STEAM REVIEWS BURN THIS GAME
>>581458401>be crusher zealot>pure supportcuck build>literally zero damage investment anywhere>the only part of the build that does any damage is bleed on the bolt pistol for a bit of monster DPS>apply to a couple HK lobbies>get accepted within some 5 minutes or soThis is considered "off-meta" on gweilo servers btw.>see some HK psyker with a really weird off-meta build that literally doesn't even exist in the western world>apply to his lobby out of curiosity>get accepted>he fucking rapes everythingI wouldn't have found out about just how good the greatsword beam build is without China numba 1. I think HK players are just fucking based and play to win. Obviously some little bitches like picrel exist. I think what most retards don't understand is that "off-meta" builds don't have to be completely useless dogshit. You bring the mandatory shity, or you get cockslapped with the decline button, bub.
>>581295061>>581295381>>581296274Game is incredibly grindy and power creep is through the roof. There's in-game gacha through RNG drops and opening shit. It's gamblified and with each update it became more about menus and currencies and systems and less about runs. For a while there was a fun game in there, but now you will spend months grinding the game for 10h per day until you reach the power required to nuke endgame content in the way vets expect. You will also have limited frame slots unless you pay or wait for the rotating Baro Ki-Fuck-All vendor, then you can buy one (1) character slot every few months. This is in a game with 30+ frames and 10 free slots. t. 1k hours before I got tired of the Frankenstein they were building on top of the game, another similarity to Warframe
>>581459369Nah, they're just preventing it from negating the usual lethal attacks, but they're also increasing the amount of piss toughness you get. Good players will not even notice since snipers, crushers and maulers are treated as serious threats whether you've got piss toughness or not.
>ogryn got nerfedlmao I can't
>>581461016>piss toughness no longer blocks spillover>shout and chorus nerfs>ogryn ammo regen>survivalist's now innate but nerfed>nonceio aquiller can now follow you around>rampage nerfed because gee whiz who'da thunk players would gravitate to melee cum after ranged git nerfed>ACD has the reload speed tax node integrated into base ability
>>581461016>Nuncio will now slowly follow youIs Arbites finally H40 meta?
>>581461016My survivalist bro.Oh well, more tasty ammo pickups for me.
THEY BUFFED THE HEAVY SWORD??? :D
>>581461264None of this is true. It does not take months nor 10h per day to unlock a character, people in /tfdg/ have literally already unlocked the new character Ult Hailey that came out literally today if you want to check for proof. There is no gacha at all, you do not roll for random characters or guns, every character and gun has a direct unlock path and the only randomness is that character or gun's components, and you can target them so there is an upper limit on the number of times you don't get what you want, and you will never get an item for a character/gun you're not seeking.It's also the opposite of what you claim as for changes over time. The game has gotten less grindy and less rng centered. You now know exactly what mission to run to get each character/weapon and everything is able to be targeted for eventual known unlock. They moved all reward opening to one terminal in the main base instead of linked to missions/bosses as well, for more convenience. It's now faster, less complicated, and easier to unlock things than ever before.I will never understand why people spread misinformation. When you get caught lying like this, it just makes you look bad. If you don't know, then say you don't know. Don't claim wrong things and then say you played the game a bunch, because that just means you're lying rather than honestly mistaken.
>swap cancel nerfedlmao to the sweatlords who used that
>>581461602In what way
>>581462289CDR and duration nerfs in exchange for other things that don't let ogryn hit any breakpoints anyway. You can tell these changes were tested on Malice.
AIEEEEEE FATSHARK BRING MY +10% DAMAGE NODES BACKI DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT GOLD TOUGHNESS I JUST WANT TO 1TAP EVERYTHING WHILE I LISTEN TO PODCASTS WITH DARKTIDE MUTED
>>581462061Motherfucker I didn't talk about unlocking one character. Every endgame activity has a specific character and build needed to spec into, level 10+ times and grind daily (time-gated) before they are even close to their potential. Every weapon needs 4 copies, rolls, cores, before they are usable. You are so entrenched in the game that you can't even recognise the systems anymore because they're as natural to you as breathing.
>>581455626My main issue with rushers is that they consistently are the most retarded people in the game.Like 99% of the time if there is a rusher he will eat shit and then complain when the other 3 people, who are actually sticking together and not on the ground dead or dying.
Can't wait for these skill tree changes to break the fuck out of the menus
>>581461801> Ctrlf-F> "Heavy Sword"Anon...
I don't intentionally rush off alone but sometimes the only way for my team to stay near me is for me to stand around doing nothing for a bit multiple times
>>581461016>ogryn gets the skitarii talent that regens him 1% ammo every 15 secondsOk, that's pretty neat.I think it would've been cooler if it was based on killing enemies instead and it's name is "shake down"
>>581455626>slow downI AM NOT SPENDING HALF A FUCKING HOUR ON LEVELS SO YOU CAN PICK FLOWERS
>HIV cum rampage and high vis stimms nerfedwho's gonna carry me in havocs now?
>The Survivalist Aura of the Veteran has long sustained its ammo economy. We think the effect is an excellent addition to the Veteran, but that it holds too much power in comparison to its competing auras.Therefore we are nerfing it because god forbid we make the other auras strong or interesting.
I dunno what the hell these terms mean for the piss toughness changes
>>581463137Come here little crackhead, nobody puts baby in a corner...*lifts you*
>>581462289They nerfed his over all toughness and they also nerfed his CDR nodes he can't use his abilities as much anymore, and this shit hurts Taunt the most it already has a 50s cooldown. And on top ogryn didn't get any buffs to his melee damage, and I specify melee damage because that's the actually biggest thing hampering ogryn currently, he does fuck all damage almost in melee, while PBB builds quite literally just delete the entire screen of enemies. Only thing new is the ammo regen talent.This is over all a nerf to melee ogryn and a minor buff to ranged ogryn.
>all my builds are gonna be gone>gonna have to spend hours staring at the new skill trees to figure out the good builds againNot looking forward to this. These changes better be worth it.The only thing cheering me up is imagining all the chinese players pissing and shitting their pants over the gold toughness changes.
>>581460561i'd rather have lower winrate with variety, than play the same cookie cutter meta shit over and over and over again
>>581463628Probably the same or similar with 2-5 spare points
>ogryn blitzes>still have the useless side nodes nobody ever picksWhy not just bake these into the base abilities already?
>Added Allowed during Sprint to all attacks and attack startsFucking finally
I was already playing invisible vetChink pissoids forever btfo
>Removed the Spillover Immunity effect from Golden Toughness.BASED.>Poxbursters Explosion Damage now falls off based on distance. 20% of full damage at the edge (6m)BASED.
>>581464624>jokes on them, i was already useless
I'm looking at the new ogryn skilltree and I'm not confident in it.
>>581464680What the hell is spillover immunity
Spillover immunity is when i sit down to pee so none of it goes in the rim or on my pants
>>581461016>golden toughness>Spillover immunity - Removed>bugged bursters supposedly nerfed (LOOOOOL I'll believe it when i see it)Well this is going to be interesting at least.>chorus>After the first tick, only enemies within 8m are staggered/suppressed>Previously it would stagger and suppress enemies throughout the whole duration, effectively stunning everything. Now it will give your team some breathing use as you activate it, but you will still need to be on your guard and consider its timing as ranged enemies can start firing again before you lower the Relic.>Pulses 7 5Damn the pulses nerf is fucking huge for ledging bosses. Probably needed though.
>>581431503I don’t get it>>581447585>>581233775Why
>>581464894Oh I've never had that
>>581464797It's the part of gold toughness that prevented you dying from 1 hit kill attacks. Like crusher overheads, snipers, bursters. It also didn't just apply to those 1 hit kill attacks, but ALL enemy attacks in the game.Having even 1 pip of gold toughness would prevent you from taking health damage from those.
>>581464975You don't got a leaky cock like i do
>>581464797Golden Toughness had to be fully removed before damage started affecting your regular toughness and health. It was basically free damage absorption. Now it just acts as extra regular toughness. So as long as you're missing one point of toughness even with golden you'll start taking health damage.
>>581464797Health gate but for toughness. Normally damage can spill over from toughness into health, such as a crusher overhead nailing you into the ground. Having at least 1 gold toughness just zeroes your toughness, nothing spills over into your health, and you survive.It's particularly useful for crushers, snipers and poxbursters.
>>581459383Not at all.
>>581462397>You can tell these changes were tested on Malice.More like tested by Hank.
>>581465031No I meant I doIn the last two months I feel like almost every day I've had that thing where pee comes out after you're done and put your weiner awayEven if I toothpaste it for a minite straight
>>58146468067% of all the poxburster explosions that have hit me would have missed if the burster was just a single centimeter further away
hehe, toothpaste it
>>581461603The old survivalist is baked in to the vet as a passive and is exactly the same numberswise. They added another one as an aura on top of that. I just don't know if the baked in one also applies to allies or not.
>>581461016>piss toughness finally moggedgood been ages since I played with support zealots or shouty vets anyway, you barely feel them gone if you arent a bumbling fool
>>581465318exactly. Hopefully the knockback strength remains the same. Watching niggas fly off the map is funny.
>>581465212Story of my life>>581465334I'll brush your teeth with it
>>581461016I know this is better overall but it looks like a complete mess. Vet does not need this many nodes in the first place.
>>581465461>boss rush happens>wipe>anon goes on the forums to whine and complain about how RNG havoc islol
I have gotten the 250000 tech remnant cosmetic reward.Now I have to wait for the points to reset so I can get the last 3 grid points for the expedition pants and then I'll be done with that game mode. Unless that mode can be used to easily get certain penances.
>>581465472careful what you wish for
>>581465554What the fuck is that pathing
>>581465682If your toothbrush looks like this then i'm getting the fuck out
>>581458505that would unironically redeem it. we need more funny goofball weapons.>>581464894you shouldn’t be doing that.
>>581465554>have branches and sections>REEEE GIVE ME MORE FREDOM>create a web that offers more freedom>REEE ITS A COMPLETE MESS NOWyou win some you lose somecan't have it all buddy
New trees out now or coming with the other stuff?
>>581461016>removed gold toughness spillover immunityHow exactly will this work? Buffed toughness value will count as 100% and you can partial health damage from melee hits when it's not full?Or did they ONLY remove spillover damage that happens when your entire toughness bar is removed in one hit?Because this would be a massive nothingburger and additional +25 toughness for shout will actually be a buff. Who the fuck even tanks spillover damage, ever? Outside of edge cases like exploding plasma cheese this does not happen.
>>581463137>Strength 50% -> 35%Not that huge of a nerf. It'll still rape bosses.>Sample Collector from 1%/2% to 0.5s/1sSlightly more annoying but it won't change the actual damage output against bosses much, which is what you actually take scum for.Much needed changes imo. Melee scum was retarded levels of overpowered, it'll just be regular overpowered now. None of the alternative builds are remotely viable anyway, so it doesn't matter.
>>581466049Ogryns will 1shot bosses with the cruncher now
>>581466032>How exactly will this work?A sniper, crusher overhead, or point blank burster still does a significant amount of damage to your health now, despite having gold toughness.It basically breaks zealot's chorus damage buff's entire spinal cord, rips it out, puts it in a blender, and then chugs it. The damage resistance went from high value to SSS+ hyper-mandatory tier with this change alone, as if it wasn't already the superior choice.
>>581465647>Unless that mode can be used to easily get certain penances.I just had a thought bros: could one theoretically in a private game just spawn in and call for extract 10 times and get the flawless execution achievement finished quickly that way even on malice?
>>581466021Not yet. The new trannies are cumming with the other sluts.
>>581465916It's good to have pathing freedom somewhere in the tree, it's just gonna take a little bit to get used to.
>>581461016>We are making changes to the Ogryns Talent Tree with the intent of making it easier and more intuitive to create buildsOgryns talent tree was as straightforward as it gets, competing only with Arbites tree I guess, but unlike Arbites, all keystones are actually viable on Ogryn. What the fuck are they talking about?
>>581466183IIRC you can block getting downed by the plasmagun's overload if you have piss toughness, but it's probably gone after this nerf
>>581466210
>Noospheric Command>Capacitance Cost 25% -> 30%>fatshark actually making a healthy, appropriate, and necessary balance change>ctrl+F servo skull>no hits>inb4 they haven't fixed the bug where the skull is blocked by psyker shields
>>581466359>>inb4 they haven't fixed the bug where the skull is blocked by psyker shieldsi think they did last patch? Or did I dream it...
>>581466342sorry i don't have my glasses
>>581466359pretty sure they already fixed thatalso holy fuck I'm going to cum I hate poxbursters just barely hitting me with the edge of their bullshit so much
>>581462898We already have too many things with the word “shake” in this game it’s making me uncomfortable
Hm, I need to grind TS before Ogryn nerf hits
>>581466338>IIRC you can block getting downed by the plasmagun's overload if you have piss toughnessThis is correct.>but it's probably gone after this nerfI just checked the source code. I don't think you're surviving this.There's also>Attack.execute(unit, action_settings.death_damage_profile, "instakill", true, ...)But I have no idea how that actually works, because it apparently doesn't with the way pre-patch gold toughness works.It should definitely just down you after the patch.
>>581461016those zealot changes are banger, cant wait to fucking put people on fire while spreading bleed everywhere WHILE being undying
>>581461801>>581454592Anime posts give me life…
>New ability- Non-warp attacks generate perilAside from toughness generation, gimme the use cases for this.
>>581465831if your toothbrush looks like this you need to use less force while brushing...
Chinese reviews status?
>>581467491you got perks that scale with peril with the schizo peril maxxing talent you literally do not give a fuck of being at 100 peril ever
>>581467818I thought they had their own sectioned off chinese internet so why the hell do we need to see or hear from them??
>>581467491Keeping yourself high for stuff like Warp Rider and One With the Warp, I guess? But honestly, Warp Ghost does more or less the same thing and gives you bonuses on top of that.
>>581461016>https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/preview-upcoming-balance-changes/125587>golden diapy nuked from orbitoh wow they actually did it lmao based
>>581467935Most of them use VPNs (illegal but the government largely doesn’t care anymore) to gain access to western services and websites since their own kind of suck
>>581468026Chorus + DR node is still going to be extremely valuable for staggerraping bosses and giving a fucking massive buffer against ranged attacks. The biggest nerf is mostly against inopportune bursters and crushers mulching some retard, but those should be rare anyway, and bursters are being nerfed.Probably a bit of a nothingburger? It hits vet the hardest.
>Added Melee Block properties during Heavy 2 windupsNeat>zealot medallion doesn't stun after 2 pulses and has lessLame
>>581461016I haven't played this game since early 2025 but this update might make me come backstill salty that the Boltgun is 12 rounds instead of 15
>>581468148okay I'm reading through the patch and the changes are absolutely massive, it's gonna be so much to relearnsounds fun nglnot a fun of an old-style talent trees tho, they were more build-limiting than the current ones, seems the sw*des can't learn from mistakes
>>581468148>staggerraping bosseslmao he doesnt know>Dev Note: Previously it would stagger and suppress enemies throughout the whole duration, effectively stunning everything. Now it will give your team some breathing use as you activate it, but you will still need to be on your guard and consider its timing as ranged enemies can start firing again before you lower the Relic.
For the first time in a long time, dare I say, and update FEELS like a real update. They deserved more vacations.
>>581468247The changelog is written in horrible SwESL, but the actual change is 7 -> 5 pulses (2 fewer), and the stagger/suppression radius is much smaller on pulses 2-5. It should still push bosses around for all five pulses unless I missed something in the unintelligible SwESL.>>581468389I don't think the gold toughness changes are that huge of a deal. The main thing that might have to change is whether you reflexively pull out chorus/shout when a burster shows up in close quarters. You should already be dodging all of the effects that the piss diapy would protect you against.
>>581468461No I did read it. It's just extremely poorly explained, and the devs notoriously don't even know how their own mechanics work.This line specifically:>After the first tick, only enemies within 8m are staggered/suppressedI don't even know what the range on chorus is before these changes, I assume it's just a range nerf on subsequent pulses.
>>581461016>laundry list of buffs to thunder hammerWill it FINALLY be good for something other than meme one-shots? I really want to use it but it's always felt like I'm griefing the team by bringing it instead of almost any other weapon.
>>581468479>that huge of a deal.time will tell, let's see if the poxwalkers/snipers will hurt our resident psykerbabs less or is it still gonna be a vibecheck for them lol
>piss toughness nerfedUh oh the H40 autists will need at least a dozen more mods to make up for this one!
Not too happy with the gripskittily nerfs nglBuff it all you want Fatshark, I'm never taking that revive speed node until you remove the dogshit tax node to get to it.
Nyoooooo! :(
Do the dlc guys have shitty tax nodes still
>survivalist nerfed againwhich eceleb do i stalk and kill irl for this?
>soulblaze nerf, direct warp damage buffcalled it
How hyped are (we)?
>Holy Tools - New>+20% Damage on your next Melee Attack, within 5s after activating your Weapon Special.so what, do I gotta spam knife punches now? that's considered skillful?
>>581461016MY NOOSY WOOSY NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>581465647Is this gear worth the expedition suffering? I mean moebian 53rd gear is nice too. It is just that I haven’t played in a long time so it will embarrassing to fumble about wearing gear associated with competence.
>>581469506Maybe use it on weapons with cool special attacks?
>>581469576Expeditions are only worth it for completionist autism. They are fucking dogshit.The cosmetics are alright but I weirdly prefer the brown (easy to get) ones over the black ones.
>"Our focus has been on improving the base classes talent trees, overall class balance, weapon balance, and addressing Golden Toughness and its impact on both player builds and our overall design space for the future.">look inside>nerfs
>>581469498>payday 3 anythingIt is a fumble. Payday 2 is getting new dlc if that shows how bad payday 3 is.
>>581469686goodkill the power creep
>>581469629if only zealot had any of those....
>>581469686>implying nerfs are le badIf you need your power fantasy this badly, have you considered lowering the difficulty, you entitled retard?
Step aside, peasants, a VETERAN SHARPSHOOTER is passing by...
>>581469686Ogryn is peak power rn and this week's havoc is by far easier than anything we had in the last yearYou have 1 week to grind true survivor
>>581469750Nigga are you serious RN?
>>581469807NTA when a lot of things are shit and unusable then nerfs should not be the first priority. I think most of the changes are positive but still, for example, Arbites released over 1 year ago and they still haven't reworked Terminus Warrant.
>>581469673Fair enough. Is anything anon at >>581466209 true? I have a bit of completion autism ocd.Imagine wanting to get some guys in a group to just rush extract on expeditions to get the dream team achievement as nobody gets downed. Haha…
>>581469994what do you think
>>581470030Working as intended
>>581469506It's pretty much exclusively "the Eviscerator node"
>>581469498I do hope this new dlc model saves the game, I really miss payday, but I'm not going to be buying battle passes for fucking pd3 until there are legit signs of life
>>581465647the night levels count for the lights out penance, you can use them to get those easily
>>581470060Yeah I got both that way
Wait, so is the relic completely dead?
>>581470030You are correct, but more than one thing can be correct at the same time.>>581470060Yes, you can just rush extracts, but it's really lame and gay honestly.>15 missions>3 minutes to extract +2 minutes loading time and navigating the mandatory dogshit hub>75 minutesI considered offering but I already 100%'d the game and don't want to sit through over an hour of expeditionslop.
>>581469220At this point survivalist is pointless right?>>581469402There was a comically large amount of psykers running flames. They deserve it.I haven’t mastery maxed my flame staff or the relic blade. Psyker is my least played class if skit doesn’t count due to not owning the dlc for skit.
>>581470262based retard
>>581469220There is a forum circlejerk group making daily threads about ammo regen being op and liking each others posts, I doubt ecelebs have anything to do with it.It kinda feels like a coordinated effort.
>>581461016ARBI BROS RISE>Nuncio-Aquila (Ability) Tap/Fast Deploy will now slowly follow the Arbitrator.that is fucking huge, the DR is banger and now it moves with you
>retards complained about scum Rampage having a downside>Fatshark removed the exhaustion mechanic that kept rampage in check>Dev Note: The Melee playstyle has proven much stronger than we initially intended>Strength 50% 35%Thanks a lot niggerfaggot pillars of the community. We had a powerful ability giving us +50% with risk. Now we have a watered down +35% with no risk. Way to go.
>>581470262No, see >>581468479>>581468629They have just done the usual extremely terrible job at explaining what the changes do. There's some 10-20% chance they actually got the wording incredibly wrong and it actually is dead, but from deciphering their godawful ESL, my read is>gold toughness nerf is a nothingburger>5 pulses instead of 7 is the main nerf>first pulse is big, pulses 2-5 are small, but it should still bully bosses aroundI've played hundreds of h40s on zealot and never even used chorus to stunlock ranged units, I have no clue what the purpose of this nerf is.
>>581470243For real? Proud of you.>>581470269>15 missionsI thought it was just 10.>48 successful dream teams happened to me last I checked.
>>581470349Yup, it's worth switching off of BTL for now
>>581470349>slowlyit will be fuckin useless, mark my words
>>581470362this is nerftranny territory
>>581470346What are their autism justifications for shitting on veteran if this really is a coordinated effort?Also did ogryn get any nerfs again?
>>581470534that's funny because it'll probably be most useful in havoc where you move at a pace of 10 yards a minute anyway
>>581470723Nuncio already is most useful in havoc, it just requires that you have an actually decent team that doesn't require BTL knocking everything over for a failure of passing DPS checks against armor.Moving with you is extremely useful, even if it's slow, since the main use is putting it down against bosses. It's actually able to debuff bosses properly now without needing a zealot, or coordinated kiting. Good change.
>>581470665not him but I 100% believe it's a coordinated effort, youtubers all hold the same opinions, if you look in their discord their playtesters (who are mostly youtubers) are very outspoken and form these cult-like bubbles with regulars where they want most of everything nerfed. It's why arbites and ogryn got nerfed before getting reworks to terrible nodes, those people want to jerk themselves off over how good they are at the game.
>>581469750>zealotHow bad is zealot gonna get hit with nerfs?>that picThe background is actually beautiful and would be better without the man wolf thing.
vet has been completely raped and replaced by skitty its over. jewshart wants you to pay up for the pay to win classes.
>>581470845I'm curious how slow it actually is, they didn't put up a value for it.
>>581470462You missed that it now gives unkillable instead of invulnerable, you will now take damage but can't die, that's why they're mentioning ranged units now
>vetsissies pissing themselves over minor nerfs>you used to get 1% ammo every 5 seconds>you now get 1.5% ammo every 5 seconds>actually a buffVetsissies might legitimately be the dumbest motherfuckers playing this game and it's not even close.
>>581470983>How bad is zealot gonna get hit with nerfs?seems more like awkward pathing than anything, and thanks to the anons explaining to me that it's just the retarded ESL swiggery, they're not removing staggering pulseszel seems fine, it's vet and psyker that are raped
>>581471246What the fuck are you even talking about?The >Invulnerable -> Unkillableis obviously an oversight from some retard who doesn't know how to write patch notes. Chorus never did this in the first place.
>>581471272They're still brain damaged from seethe after being left out of the coolest weapon update. And then getting the power falc as a consolation prize.
>>581471272it was still nerfed as the team gets less ammo. good for the vet, not for anyone else
>Added Shield Breaker to both initial and second sticky attackswhat is a shield breaker?
>>581471774And the only class that actually seriously cares about ammo got an ammo talent that triggers passively without requiring kills, meaning there's no awkward downtime.Other classes shouldn't even use relevant amounts of ammo in h40.
>>581471929>Other classes shouldn't even use relevant amounts of ammo in h40.stockholm syndrome
>>581471898Come on anon. You can do it. I believe you can figure that out.
>>581470310You do realize that soulblaze nerf will hurt every psyker build, not just flame staff, don't you?Not just that, it will hurt other builds even more, save for maybe electrokino primary spam.
>>581472072I would assume it break shields but this is fatshark and I don't believe a single Swenglish word they say.
>>581472041>playing the game so wrong that he runs out of ammo Yeah I think that's a block from me, sorry bub, you're not getting into future havocs.>implying such a shitter even plays havoc at a relevant levelLMAO silly me, of course you're hardstuck.
>Other more well rounded weapons offered enough power to make the Thunder Hammers slowly redundant, even in their single-target deleting niche.>even in their single-target deleting niche.>nerfs thrust??????????????????????????
>>581471272It is by far the most braindead class and the biggest carried shitter choice. Every single h40 / true survivor who sucks dick when you actually play with them got that shit by being a sissy little veteran hiding in their gay little smoke bubble and shouting their faggy little lungs out to make themselves invincible to LITERALLY everything while their teammates played the game for them. They make my skin crawl, there is nothing worse than a fucking vetfag who has no conception of how to actually play the game.
>>581472221Illiterate gigatard
>they moved shocktrooper all the way down the bottom>kill zone and competitive urge tax nodes to get itFucking swedes.
>>581472181no it actually builds swords you retard
I can't read.
>>581472209talking to yourself again?
>>581472221Read the line after that
>>581461016>removed punishment and grievous woundsNooo my build that allowed the ds4 and knife to stagger poxies! Gone!>out of pocketStep aside, weapons specialist.>chorus guttedWelp I guess the guy who really liked the TDR subnode is vindicated.>removed Tranquility Through SlaughterGoodbye reconlas scrier.>53rd patch in a row that Psykinetic’s Aura is nerfed>some changes to the vet that I don't care about because I hate the class and never play it>nuncio now follows youThis is HUGE. Downloading the disco-aquila mod as we speak.>10% extra damage to lone wolfWho the fuck cares lmao.>rampage nerfUgh.>further nerfs to noosyUGH.>Higher Purpose fucking halvedFU>nerfed relic bladeTHANKS FATSHARK ZEALOT REALLY NEEDED MORE NERFS>nerfed thrust on thammerTHANK YOU SO MUCHI get we're supposed to enjoy our innate half-thrust and use another blessing but what the fuck else is good on the thammer? Do they play their game?
>Ogryn Pickaxe> Heavy Vanguard> Cleave from {5,25} to {5,18}T-thanks, sweden. Didn't want to play it anyway I guess.
>Added Melee Block properties during Heavy 2 windupsnot very useful but actually kinda cool
>>581472754>>nerfed relic bladeYeah really small unyielding nerfs (which were fucking necessary, the thing did retarded damage to monsters even without +25%) and a nerf to the sprint stab (necessary too). It'll still be really strong in stealth, but it's no longer free or retardedly OP. These nerfs barely affect non-stealth RB builds anyway.You need to get off the /v/tard mindset of>NERFED = USELESS
>Ogryn ammo regenSah! Ah don't need ya survivalist anymore sah! It's not worth much to the team anymore
>>581472754transhammer with headtaker and slaughterer is gonna be sex hopefully
>>581472754>out of pocket>Step aside, weapons specialist.oh damn I missed this one, revolver zealot is on the menu now boys
>>581473365>revolver zealot is on the menu now boys>at the same time survivalist aura is nerfedFatshark's sense of humor.
