The Chinese fears the Swede editionPrevious thread: >>581230032>Latest News/UpdatesDarktide:PREVIEW - Upcoming Balance Changeshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/preview-upcoming-balance-changes/125587Kuli's guides for beginners:https://steamcommunity.com/id/kulii/myworkshopfiles/?section=guides&appid=1361210Vermintide 2:The Feast of Grimnir returns! Patch 6.12.0 patch noteshttps://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/the-feast-of-grimnir-returns-patch-6-12-0-patch-notes/125081>Acknowledged but barely discussed :Left4DeadDeep Rock GalacticKilling FloorPaydayEarth Defense ForceWWZThe Outlast TrialsBarotraumaNo More Room in Hell 2Aliens: Fireteam Elite 2and others>Future gamesDen Of Wolves - TBADarkSwarm - TBABlight: Survival - TBADeep Dish Dungeon - TBA>Build planners:Vermintide 2: http://ranaldsgift.com/Deep Rock Galactic: http://karl.gg/Darktide: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor
Felinids in december or whatever>:3c
>>581487742I'm honestly more leaning towards the leaks being real and FS walked them back right before launch because they're scared.They did the exact same with Plasma and Duelling Sword, we literally saw the patch notes for them via the Chinese Steam forums when they posted the wrong copy there and knew what was going to be changed, but we didn't see those changes for over a year. I can totally see them doing the exact same thing for another justified nerf.
Thugshot?More like ThugSHIT!
>inb4 another retard interprets that chorus and gold toughness are now useless
ELDAR CORSAIR CONFIRMED
>>581488561no you dont understandit got nerfed in some way, so that makes it uselessthats how nerfs work, have you never heard of helldivers?
>>581488740>have you never heard of helldivers?No, I'd prefer if Xi didn't personally dive into my kernel.
Going after piss toughness before flamer/rumbler/arc rifle is a surprise, piss bar is THE shitter carry tool. I'm tempted to think that maybe they simply can't fix the infinite cleave weapons.Anyway death to support cuckolds lmao but I'm absolutely not playing until I don't have a ROOMBLER in every fucking game.
>check thugshot blessings on gameslantern>it's literally all the same as on kickback by the looks of it
>>581489086piss nerf is a nothingburger
Is rooombler bad for new rotten armor? Does ranged damage reduction apply to explosions?
>>581489086>arc rifleIt's only particularly overpowered in auric, and can easily be nerfed by reducing its ammo or damage a little. It's not even good in h40. Trust me, I've given it more than enough fair chances to conclude this.>piss toughnessIs still going to be extremely strong, it just no longer leads to free burster tanking and overhead tanking, which you should avoid in the first place.
So we are getting a decent damage falloff profile compared to the duckbill arby shotgun. Only question remaining what is the minimum hit pellet count going to be.
>>581489387Shitters WILL get CRUSHER'D and they will NOT tank it anymore.
Cadia?More like CACAdia!
>>581489086>I'm tempted to think that maybe they simply can't fix the infinite cleave weapons.a modder literally coded in flamer hitmass into the weapon, as well as rumbler hitmass that takes into account directions of the explosion.like im not even joking fatshark could literally just paste that into the source and it will workboth also heavily reduce the strength of the weapon while still keeping them pretty strong
>>581490045>like im not even joking fatshark could literally just paste that into the source and it will workLOL that assumes fatshark has something vaguely resembling version control. Remember how for the longest time they kept reintroducing old bugs into new patches? Yeah. No they can't.
>>581489490rumbler aoe counts as ranged damage, so it would be reduced by it
>>581489086>I'm tempted to think that maybe they simply can't fix the infinite cleave weapons.I think on release the Trauma staff and Rumbler had a limitation of targets it could damage of 4, the rest hit were simply staggered. They were obviously considered shit tier weapon back then until it was removed.
>>581490208>roombler AOE counts as ranged damage but plasma Mk.3 doesn'tAre you fuckin shittin me man
Still no chain weapon buffs I see.
>>581487813YESi have wanted this since the class dropped!
WTF THEY DID TO THE VET???
>>581491031Dey bottom got turned into a skitter
The cruncher will have decent damage, but obviously no headtaker or slaughterer unlike the pickaxes
The Vets are NOT happy holy fuck they are pissing and shitting their pants.
more two handed ogryn weapons YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>581491429>>581491804about that...Guess it has inbuilt thrust.
>>581491943i'm cooming buckets
>>581491943Hopefully it's stronger than this. The branx does more with a normal heavy attack
True Grit?More like True Shit!
>balance change patch>look inside>no buffs to infantry lasguns
>>581492524dont they cycle around on what needs changesinfantry lasguns got buffs 2 patches ago
>Achlys Mk VIII combat axe>Heavy Strikedown (Spike profile): Cleave from no cleave to single cleave>Pushfollow attack: Changed from Relentless side swipe to Vanguard diagonal>Added a new Light 2 attack: Similar Strikedown profile as other Light attacksDo y'all think the bad axe will finally be usable?
>>581491541TO ME!GIVE THEM HELL!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FLRHejWAo8
The Cruncher doesn't have Thrust, but it does have Limbsplitter with a 2s charge time.
>>581492658>infantry lasguns got buffs 2 patches agoAnd they still feel like shit to use. The retarded recoil jumping the gun does is insane and the damage on all the variants genuinely fucking piss poor.The fucking laspistol outplays the lasgun in every fucking category.
*fart* NIGGERS! :D
>>581492975It has thrust built into its special attack
>>581492975Cruncher has thrust built-in as a mechanic, it's like how mechanicus power sword works innately.I'm more surprised that they didn't change more of the older weapons to have the same built-in thrust feature.Like genuinely all ogryn's melee weapons should have it imo.
So checking my melee Psyker build I have like 5 points free to put anywhere lmao I guess I'm taking every single toughness node for funsies.
>>581492671No
>>581493676Is this their way to balance soulblaze? Gigabuff everything else?
>>581493912Inferno Staff will still be "kill everything on the screen by taping down LMB" so any shitter addicted to that won't be swapping. Smiggers will never stop smigging. I guess gunkers got fucked with the removal of that one node tho lmao it must have had truly abysmal pick rates if it didn't make it onto the new tree.Also warp damage got a couple of new nodes buffing its damage and rending. Inferno will be even better now desu.
The passive and aura survivalists will share the same cooldown, but only one of them will proc. I'm well versed in swede coding.
>>581494283kek I hate that you're probably right and that it will take them an entire vacation to fix it.
>>581492975Unless they've changed limbsplitter, it was dogshit because of the first attack clause. You have to stop all attacks for a full 2 sec duration, making it never worth the damage loss.I wonder if the devs actual know this, also I wonder if the Crunch talent even works with the special attack.
>20% increase in the cost of Noopsheric Command>50% reduction in the capacitance generation from Higher PurposeI wonder if Noospheric Command spam will still be good.
>>581494809It will still be good. It's currently already capacitance positive. The nerfs should actually make it balanced now.This won't change too much in the way of how much you can noosy, but it will make it so you can't also use your ability if you do.
>remove piss toughness>compensate with increasing VoC toughness with 25 more toughness>remove 40 vet toughnessbravo balancing
>>581493006This will be the new boss's ultimate attack
>>581495447>more vetsissy bitching
>>581494809Noosy woosy is still better than any ability you could spend capacitance on. Killing any special you see with a bare minimum of investment or effort is too good.
>>581495447>Oh my HECKING science I actually have to position properly on the ranged guy now
>>581488560I missed out on getting that cosmetic in the meme.I need to save Swedish economy. I’ve already been looking at ikea desks.What are some funny ogryn names anyways?Right now for names I’ve been using “code name” themed names for my operatives.An example is my zealot named “tome.” I’m working on a better one.Hive scum named “rust” might change it to “pipe” and have rust be the skittle’s code name.
>>581495447Just run piss vision with a gun that can upkeep it and you'll always be full toughness!
Does anyone else feel like the changes they're doing were decided by AI? They're all over the fucking place.
>>581494809It'll still be good, but I'll seriously have to consider not taking claw as a funny little thing I throw at hordes every now and then.
>>581496896Honestly AI used for buffing and nerfing is very much a possibility with how off and odd some changes are.
>>581496779Under no circumstances should any Ogryn name contain more than one syllable.
>>581496896AI would do better
Seeing all the tax nodes being removed I think ogryn might be in an ok spot? Since you can get more melee damage nodes possibly.But the CDR nerfs hurt a lot. Especially taunt.
>>581496779I'm not the greatest when it comes to names so I named my ogryn "Og"
kino
>>581499331There are no ranged damage buffs and melee damage wasn't great to begin with.CDR nerfs are big and the tradeoff is that you can now make a hybrid character.Also tax nodes are gone and so are their stats, so you will have lower ranged damage now.
>>581500038imagine this with bleed knife
>>581500038I'm not a big fan desu. You'd need to use it with Zealous Pilgrim, and I don't like it compared to HR. Being unkillable doesn't mean you don't take damage, so it's not like you're going to be playing any differently for those 5 seconds 99% of the time. You're basically trading the safety of HR's heal for a meme spec burn applicator on a class that has weapons that can just deal huge amounts of direct boss damage instead. Could be a fun memebuild, but that's about it. Maybe I'm missing something
>>581500585Maybe martyrdom had the ability cooldown lowered enough to keep you going at 1hp for a while with FotF?
>>581500585fotf is so fucking fast you basically have 100% uptime of undying
is the sound bugged for anyone else?only selectively hearing specials now, got pounced with no warning, rager got behind me, poxburster was near me but also had no sound-cues etc pp...
Vetsissy whining aside, I don't think any of the changes are that bad, grenade nerf was worse. I do think it's funny that Fatshark stressed the Vet is the ranged class. Psyker is right there and can do ranged damage way better than Vet ever can.Hopefully more people will pick up exe stance now.
>>581501607It has been this way for years. Good luck, have fun
>Zealous Pilgrim+ Martyrdom zealots at 1 hp all map not dying>Shoot barrel near them>Rez them so they are now full hp -1 woundU r welcom for heal shouty.
>>581491943>no skullcrusher. headtaker or slaughtererSo I'm guessing it's execution + hammerblow? I could see Limbsplitter as a discount Thurst while Take a Swing might be useful for hordeclear.
>>581500121>CDR nerfs are big and the tradeoff is that you can now make a hybrid character.Not as much of a hybrid character you can think of, also the CDR nerfs weren't as warranted for ogryn. Only thing that needed it was PBB because that shit was retarded, taunt in comparison is and was just fine.
>>581501672Shout is picked so much because most players lack either the situational awareness to not get surprisebuttsexed to death by poxwalkers behind them, or the aim to maintain uptime, speaking of, can't be maintained easily for the average malicelet since there aren't enough targets to nigh-indefinitely sustain it on low difficulties.
>>581503002Shout is picked because it helps everyone. Without it, vet has no choice but to helplessly sit there and watch as his retard gets nailed into the ground by a crusher overhead.I enjoy playing stealth in auric, but there are just so many fuck-ups on my teammates' side that shout would at least mitigate. With stealth I end up picking them up off the ground instead.>inb4 they deserve itYes, but that's not my point.
>>581503002No, shout is picked because piss toughness is so retardedly strong that not picking it is you actively griefing the team.Also shit like exec stance still isn't as great as you'd think because it entirely relies on you not getting ass fucked by enemies, but since this game is swedish the devs thought it'd be funny if the game literally spawns trash mobs right behind you to smack your ass if you ever try to focus on being a ranged dude.>just trust your team matesYou know for a fact that this is horseshit and you can never ever trust the average pubbie retard because they are about as useful to your existance as a lead weight tied to your arm. None of them will cover you when you try to take out priority threats or if you're doing a minigame to progress the mission. Those 3 enemies on your team do more fucking harm to you than the actual fucking enemies.This is the reason why you also pick piss toughness, because it helps you to not die and keeps enemies at bay, but it also prevents your pubbie retards from eating shit all the fucking time because the idiots don't know how to pull back when the games summons a congaline of armor.
>They actually buffed Shroud Oh ohhhh... Glass Canon melty incoming
>>581503871>vet has no choice but to helplessly sit there and watch as his retard gets nailed into the ground by a crusher overhead.Thanks to the changes, taking shout will not help one bit in this situation anyway :)
>>581504369>the game literally spawns trash mobs right behind you to smack your ass if you ever try to focus on being a ranged dude.It's funny that I see this complaint so fucking often, and then not experience it myself.>whoosh>hit dodge>I'm fineWOW!Typical of a vetsissy to complain about melee mechanics that xhe never learned.
>>581502226Unstoppable Force is must to swing through carapace, as it enables that flag on any heavy attack. Unless Cruncher has it natively.Execution for more general damage.Maybe Take a Swing if it has a decent pushattack that you would combo in normally.Hammerblow depending on stagger values, Shock & Awe if you want to swing through even more stuff casually.
>>581504827>uhm that's intentional sweaty :)I don't care how fucking intentional it is, it is genuinely dogshit game design thought up and thought to be fun by only the deranged and moronic
>>581505235>it is genuinely dogshit game design>to encourage people to stick together and have a melee dude cover the ranged dudeWhat you're describing doesn't happen in the actually relevant levels of havoc difficulty. The problem with auricshitters never covering each other comes from the difficulty progression system being too generous, a lack of deranks for carried shitters, and the incentive to scour every corner for resources. Fix those, and you fix retards being in auric.>inb4 BUT I NEED TO SOLO CYKA BLYAT TEAMWORK = CARRIEDlol look at this retard who can't solo fucking auric difficulty because of a poxwalker or two
My issue with the poxwalkers spawning behind vets is that the devs then thought it was also a good idea to give vets two talent nodes that require them to not be the target of melee attacks in order to work.
>>581505821Retarded theorycraftsissy vetsissy doesn't play the game and only complains
>>581506187Thread was pretty good while you were dealing with your ban for being unnecessarily retarded and aggressive towards everyone.
>>581506412>says something FUCKING RETARDED>gets corrected>ooo boo hoo mommy they're being mean to meGo back to plebbit, you oversensitive nigger
>>581506594raped his ass
The fourth hammer buff will surely make it good
Blades of Fatihbros...
>mfw not good enough to understand the patch notes
>>581507745blessed is the mind too small for yada yada
>>581507745>big zealot changes>toughness nothingburger>vetsissies dilating and starting the next reviewbomb campaign>another pointless ogryn rework that just made him worse again>some other irrelevant shitRealistically most of these changes are somewhat minor. They only seem like they actually do anything because the worst, and most vocal players (vetsissies) get their frontholes scabbed over at the idea of no longer being allowed to play auto pilot.
Is nobody else concerned by this change of wording? So we'll actively heal during the "unkillable" phase instead of getting it as a pay-off at the end? Given Until Death is probably going to be triggering in a clusterfuck, this seems like you're going to potentially get all your healing shaved back off before unkillable even ends.
>>581508887It might not even mean anything, since swedish tooltips usually can't be trusted
>>581508887If UD triggers and you are still in a cluster fuck when it ends you kinda deserve it desu.
>>581508887I'm not concerned by it because I'm not fucking dogshit at the game, and also the amount of healing you get is truly retarded overkill anyway.
>>581504849Do you think Unstoppable Force let you squish several Crushers stacked onto each other with a single heavy special overhead?
>>581508887Possibly yes but the 2 extra seconds of being unkillable is a more significant buff.
>>581508203>>another pointless ogryn rework that just made him worse againCorrection;It made *melee ogryn* worse and then just buffed ranged ogryn.Ogryn truely is a cursed class. He is meant to be a crowd control melee tank but that play style is constantly getting nerfed and then they inadvertly buff the ranged side.It honestly is starting to feel like that this is intentional and there is some cunt within the studio or in the playtester group who hate melee ogryn and intentionally are fucking him up more and more out of spite.
>>581509181That's not what I meant though. I mean you're in a clusterfuck, it triggers, your first two or three swings hits the 25% cap on it, and then you lose it before unkillable wears off while you're fighting your way out of the cluster. Previously you'd fight your way out and THEN get the heal, putting you back to stable. With the new one, assuming the wording works how I'm suggesting, you could easily end up walking away from your UD triggers still on 1 hp when it's over.
>>581509474I mention this every time such a thing is brought up>ogryn players play exclusively ogryn and no human classes>human class players play exclusively human classes and no ogryn>because of the above, none of the playtesters have a remotely decent grasp on the balance discrepancy between humans and ogryn>only autists play ogryn>Hank existsYou can extrapolate from there.
>>581505548>>to encourage people to stick together and have a melee dude cover the ranged dudeWHICH NEVER FUCKING HAPPENS BECAUSE EVERY PUBBIE GLUE DRINKER FUCKS OFF TO HIGH HEAVEN YOU RETARDED FUCK.This shit even happens in H40 as well if you play with randoms.You'd know this if you played this game at any relevant fucking level.It IS a dogshit mechanic because it doesn't fucking work because every retard who plays this game has the situational awareness of a mentally disabled child with a brick lodged in their skull. You need to physically to beat the thing to get any sort of reaction.
>>581509474They obviously want to make zealot THE melee class, like they said in patch notes. So obviously, instead of buffing zealot into that role, they'll nerf the big slab of pure muscle and everything else. Thanks Sweden.
>>581509830Yeah I know but as the other guy said.The 2 extra seconds will enable you to heal more.Hopefully you can manage to get out of whatever situation you're in and preserve the healing with that.
>>581510140Yeah fair enough, I didn't notice the extra 2 seconds at first, I was just skimming through the new tree real quick and that caught my eye.
>>581509916>This shit even happens in H40 as well if you play with randoms.>You'd know this if you played this game at any relevant fucking level.Sniffed out the declined leechcuck who joins random lobbies with random teams with random retarded builds that have no role and couldn't play to it if they tried.No, NIGGER. I have more h40 wins under my belt than you have even played. You can stop leaking from your clitty just because you're unfathomably bad at the game. How do I know? Because I am that melee guy gluing myself to the vet or psyker most of the time. You know why you don't experience that? Because you no doubt run builds that scream "I'M A RETARD HURR DURR" and get declined from every half-decent lobby. Obviously you can't host because someone as fucking brain damaged as yourself can't get xir assignment up.>AIIIIEEEE WHERE'S MY DAIPY>OGRYN-SAMA THERE'S A POXWALKER SAV- ACK!!!!Have you considered not sucking 20 cocks and keeping up with your melee dudes?Christ vetsissies are fucking retarded.Go and fulfill your destiny as a statistic you dysgenic blue-haired freak.
Welcome back angry asshole guy, I missed you
I have to say, it is on brand for a vet hater to terminally obsessed with trannies.
I have to say, it is on brand for a vet sissy to be transgender
The blood pressure in this thread is getting too high, listen to some jazz to relaxhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8YscTKebMY
>the removed taxnodes means I can finally run Unfaltering on all my Zealots builds THANK YOU BASED GODFUXK HEAVY ATTACK SLOWDOWN DOGSHIT MECHANIC
I am listening to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVhdHAqoE_c
>>581504849>6 seconds on Take a Swiggseems mandatory to me, works on both hordes and the CRUSHER larp special attack; the second one I'd take the hitmass one personally but I see the value in UFThe blessings are hot garbage regardless
I won an havoc 40 with executioner vet! Bring on the next patch fatshite im ready
>>581502162t-thank you, pilgrim ;_;
And why doesn't the glaive work with Shade, you stoopid bastard?
I like the Mechanicus Power Sword a lot
>>581516021We need more players like you in heresy
So it's been a while now, how is mechanicus? I havn't really played since they came out.
>>581516021>Built-in thrust Would be maining it all day if it wasn't for this.
>>581516021
>>581516169kek got me>>581516216I don't really use the special attack much, the thrust thing is good for stopping mutants in their tracks though
>>581516180You mean the skittle class? It's just kinda there, strong with several crutches for shitters but not blatantly overpowered. Outside Havoc it's pretty much an AFK class where you can just use your servo skull to kill everything short of a Crusher, do hacks automatically and rezz downed allies from a distance.
>>581516180its good
>>581489508Can I reload this with Weapon Specialist or do I still need to pump it?
>>581516021I prefer it over the tranny blade
Words can not explain how much I hate the Relic Blade change.Sure let's remove all the cool mechanical stuff about it that made it unique.>It was too strong I really don't give a fuck.Removing mechanical stuff the lowest common denominator can feel like they aren't left out is lame as fuck.
now that gold toughness is getting nerfed, will the vet players in my teams finally learn how to dodge?
>>581517715>all the cool mechanical stuff about it that made it unique.Like being the strongest weapon available to the class and functioning without an ability and without a keystone?What the fuck is being taken away?Your precious boss one-shots with the barely viable griefing stealthfaggot build?Oh boo-hoo you'll backstab bosses for 85% of their health now instead of 100%, how tragic.Troonhammer is getting buffed, use that if you're so obsessed with this meme.
>>581517941Noticed how nobody was talking about damage and this obsessed troon instantly went on to yapping about his Shroud buogeyman?These are what we call mechaniclets.Never become like this kids.
>>581518348Because no mechanic is being removed.Swap cancelling is an exploit and for troons. The dance of spamming block cancel after every stab just to stab again is also an exploit and also for troons.There is no argument here but to infer.
>>581510532>Have you considered not sucking 20 cocks and keeping up with your melee dudes?>be ranged class whose job is to deal with specials and gunners from a relatively safe distance>bro just run into melee range with the melee classesAt that point why even play a ranged class then? Might as well turn my veteran into a discount zealot with weapon specialist at that point.Again, you're not proving that the mechanic isn't dogshit and badly designed.It doesn't actually incentivice any sort of team play because majority of the playerbase is retarded that also lack object permanence, you included. And I can tell you don't play H40 as often as you say because even in H40 people splitting up for no fucking reason happens constantly, I literally witness this shit 1st hand every match I play. I try to keep up with 1 person and then magically 2 others just fuck off to some random corner never to be seen again.>>AIIIIEEEE WHERE'S MY DAIPY>>OGRYN-SAMA THERE'S A POXWALKER SAV- ACK!!!!It's pure irony you say this after you specifically say you baby all the veterans and psykers in your team.
40k was a fucking mistake.TROON TROON TROON TROONY TRANNY TRANNY TROONFUCK OFF NIGGER LEARN A NEW VOCABULARY FOR FUCKS SAKEAT LEAST FANTASYFAGS WERE CREATIVE WITH THEIR INSULTS COMPARED TO INBRED FUCKING MUH SO CHUDDY 40K NORMIEFAGGOTSKILL YOURSELF YOU FUCKING TROON
>>581518504>No mechanic is being removedThe is no point in animation cancelling the stab anymore now that it has thrust retard.It effects stagger too you know?
>>581519661>even in H40 people splitting up for no fucking reason happens constantlyThis genuinely is not a thing in my games. I do not see this happen. I don't know under what conditions this can happen to you, but I can only guess it's because you're a leech that only gets accepted into lobbies filled with retards.You are the problem here, anon.
>>581517629Should be fine, it will go hard on Zealot's new Out Of Pocket talent.
Is unkillable new? I thought it was called something else but those patchnotes keep saying unkillableSo confusing for no good reason
Does the new hammer weapon for Ogryn look any good? I saw some of the animations and could swear the reused the thunder hammer stuff.
>>581521234For some reason they changed INVULNERABLE to unkillable. I guess because previously you were invulnerable only at 1HP and with new talents full invulnerability would be too op?
>>581521479Oh so they aren't even talking about an ability or anythingFucking hell
Why do people think this nerfs Veteran specifically when Zealot is also affected?
The classes all mention the removed toughness nodes at least mostly being shifted into the base amount except vet, I hope that's just more swigger esl bullshit and they didn't make vet even squishier than it already is.
>>581521684It will still be possible to stunlock shit with chorus and FotF possibly got a major fucking buff, albeit indirectly.Also everyone is accustomed to Zealot being shit.
>>581521684Vetsissies are extremely oversensitive thanks to their insecurity over their lack of skill
>>581522010What would you say is the most skilful class?
>>581522086Arbites with a dog.
>>581522086Ogryn on high difficulty
>>581522086You literally have to have brain damage to think it is anything other than Scum
>>581522173>>581522186>>581522198so which is it then
>>581522198>click F once in a while>thumb constantly pressing spacebar >autoclicker turned onWOW SO HARD
>>581522303psyker
>>581521684Dumb sexy chicken poster
>>581522303Zealot provided you're not playing meta approved chorus build.
>>581522303definitely zealot
>>581521326see >>581491943unless holding special attack changes all the attack values besides ghetto thrust. The Branx pickaxe will be better.
>>581522303Scum
>>581522086Unironically ogryn.
>>581521850Ogryn's toughness got hit hard too.Currently if you take all toughness nodes (which you should) ogryn gets 140 toughness in total.But after removing all stat nodes they only buffed ogryn's base toughness from 75 to 125. That's still a -15 over all toughness.He unironically should have gotten MORE toughness not less, unironically ogryn should have 150 or 160 base toughness to compensate for the loss of those nodes.
>>581504369>>581504827I was playing Chaos Wastes the other day, and the game didn't just spawn enemies right behind me, it spawned an entire horde all around me. Imagine that, out of thin air, I'm surrounded by probably 50+ rats. Such bullshit.
>>581522086unironically veteran because no other class is punished as hard for positioning errors, especially now that the stamina subnodes are gone.>>581522198>>581523180lol
It's bleak.
>vetiddors seethingYep, goated patch
China literally cannot stop losing
>>581524197Vet is easy as shit though
>>581507195>>581517629>>581521684Your posts are the best never stop
>581519704>ratcuck meltylawl
So Vet and Zealot are still support sissies right? Pbb Ogryn still gets all the ammo. Psyker gets their base crit chance buff, but not Zealot.Vet loses some of surviabilty, but don't they get more points accessing for more damage or at least easier to get more damage talents with te new skill tree?Why the nerf to Survivalist aura though? Hurt everyone on team rather than Vet.
>>581528123ogryn gets more ammothat's a good thing for ogryn playersdon't care about anything else
>>581528123its baked in now, its 1% permanent, and all you do give people less ammo, but the people who use ammo dont need it anymore, because skit and orygn have ammo regen
>>581522303Skitarii
>>5815137586 seconds of nothing. Have you seen the absolute ly stellar finesse multiplier of the weapon?
>>581522086Highest skill floor is psyker. Retards will eat shit constantly and then blow themselves up in addition to that.
>>581528123The worst part is that fatshark officially claimed veteran as the ranged class so melee vet / ammo dispencer / piss dispenser will never happen now. Extra 40 toughness that kept the melee vetsissy alive was massive. Now it's gone, so now vet will take ammo from ogryns again, meaning he will be detrimental to the team.
Krourk single stubber with overwhelming fire looks so good on paper but holy shit it sucks in a real game lmao.I wanted to replace rumbler with something else for rotten armor missions so I went to test this fella in a maelstrom and I ended up meleeing all the time and stopped using it entirely.
>>581540149>looks good on paperIt looks like used toilet paper. Anyone could have told you it's shit
The cruncher blessings and stats hit me like a knitting needle up my dick hole. Thrust meme branx pickaxes are bad and the cruncher just looks like a worse version of that
Thoughts? Relic/bolt beestol. Trying to get it close to what I'm currently using so I have a baseline for experimentation later
>>581541910SEA?
>>581521684Because they removed some "tax nodes" of +25 and +15 toughness AND they changed gold toughness.So it used to be that Vet could spend 4 points to gain an extra 65 toughness and temporarily get 50 super toughness with ability.Now you can spend 2 points to gain an extra 25 toughness and temporarily get 75 regular toughness with ability.This is the other crucial component>>581521850>>581540149I hate how everything comes from Krourk. Krourk is a retard planet of the dumbest ogryns.
>>581541981I mostly stay on LAND
>>581541910Genuinely retarded
>>581542129Probably walked into that one. What would you change?
lets just say, for the sake of the argument, that I want to play zealot, what do I even run on this guy nowadays?
>>581541112You mad? Numbers wise it should be like bolter but with 50% strength blessing for 35/40 bullets in the magazine. Yet it sucks so much to aim.I bet that talent reducing spread at the cost of stamina that nobody takes will not help it either.
>>581541910annoint in blood is badbackstabber is bad because opportunity cost in being not in front of themout of pocket is bad because youre using bolt pistol, just load the mag, its not shotgun or revolver where you have to load shots individuallybeacon is whatever, generally not useful
>made Nightmare harderbas->didnt fix the issue with faggots hiding in corners and unwilling to help/cooperateactual tranny shit, I havent lost a character in awhile before this update but I go down once and none of them make an effort to save me, luckily I have a surplus of credits and shit but its so retarded, it makes the difficulty less fun when niggers cant even bother to help out and let others carry them.
>>581542201Mmm yes grovel
>>581541662>cruncher just looks like a worse version of thatIt has a blessing that lets you ignore enemy hit mass on charged attacks which can be either completely useless or bonkers depending how big the area of impact is
>>581543776Awesome thank you anon
>>581521850>I hope that's just more swigger esl bullshitMost definitely not. At best they will bake the 15 toughness node into the base class. 25 toughness nodes belonged to different branches and were not meant to be taken together. Basically players were making cheese builds not sanctioned by fatshark. They probably didn't even realize taking both toughness nodes was a thing.Hopefully they will address this in future updates. But for now it seems the temporary +25 toughness on shout is the compensation for +15 toughness node and there will be no compensation for a 2nd +25 node.If anything, they most likely got rid of the 2nd node because you now have more "free" talent points and could easily pick both, which was not intended to be possible. So they got rid of it.
>>581543776Wait beacon is bad? I thought everyone ran it on high difficulties
>>581544543i said its whatever, its okay if youre missions that fuck you with lots of corruption, eh
>>581544543It's only useful in havoc. Though TDR aura is also only useful in havoc because you need so much TDR in aurics.
>>581545169>>581544737Gotcha, thanks again
>>581544505Just bake a +25 toughness node into the auras or keystones
>>581543914I doubt it will allow you to overhead several crushers for big damage
alright, I'm stupid. what's the actual difference between these? the middle one does more damage on the heavy swing to armor, but top and bottom seem identical statwise and the meat grinder is buggy garbage and the marks won't swap around properly.
>>581545974The melee moveset, check on inspect to see if it changes to a different mark properly or not.
>>581545974To avoid meatgrinder weapon glitches equip a different melee weapon type in between testing devil claw marks I don't really know how mk1 and mk7 differ because I think they all fucking suck, but I think the m7 is superior because it allows you to do the parry special and then followup with a heavy strikedown.For single target you go like: parry, H2, L3For horde clearing you go: L1, L2, block, H1, L2, block etc
>>581546762>The melee movesetyeah I figured it was just different movesets. only reason I'm even using the sword at all is cause I'm only now trying out Psyker after maxing all the other classes and it gave me a sword to start.space wizard seems weird to play, but I haven't unlocked anything major yet, so we'll see, I guess. the only other thing I have is a Force Sword and THAT's even worse than the regular one.
>>581539746>The worst part is that fatshark officially claimed veteran as the ranged classAnyone with a fucking brain already knew this about veteran though? And it is what he should be.
>>581545363>Just bake a +25 toughness node into the auras or keystonesHonestly surprising they didn't do this with bunch of classes.Something like ogryn would've greatly benefitted from having +25 toughness on each aura. Also not like it'd be OP or could be abused since you can only choose 1 aura and 1 keystone all of which are mutually exclusive.
>>581547687>newfriend psykerDo yourself a favor and rush toward fully maxed out Assail if you weren't already doing that. It'll make leveling psyker tolerable. Also get yourself a staff ASAP and build it for crit + multishot on crit, I forget which one you get early but I think most of them can do this. Use the leftclick lots, it's general purpose while the rightclick tends to be specialized.No, these aren't optimal endgame strats, just how to get the most out of psyker while leveling.
Man why does it feel like Darktide runs worse and worse as time goes on? First I had to turn off OBS replay, a few months later I had to turn on AI upscaling, then I had to turn down the graphics and lighting, and now I'm losing smooth 60 all over again, what fucking gives? Am I missing something?
>>581552804>a few months later I had to turn on AI upscalingUnironically that shit causes to run like shit more because you are wasting power computing imaginary frames with AI
ratjeet
>>581552908>AI upscalingUhh whoops I mean DLSS
jeetrat
>>581553813Even that shit doesn't help.I've seen the pics of some guy here posting him using DLSS5 on Darktide and in half of the pics you couldn't really tell if there was an AI shader or no.
>>581552804>inb4 anon is playing on a gayming laptop with the fans completely choked against some dusty surface and keeps hemorrhaging performance to heat throttling
>>581553946Don't know what to say man, it worked for me (for a time)>>581554052mmh
>>581522086>only troll responsesOkay autism time.>what is skillThere's fundamentals like aim, muscle memory (reacting to audio cues), and positioning (kiting etc.).There's meta skills like overall game knowledge (enemy armor types, breakpoints, map knowledge, a sixth sense for boss spawns), including buildcrafting and, in havoc, team composition theory. There's also general decision making, like cooldown management. Awareness of teammates, how their builds function, adjusting to their playstyle, etc.Everything has its own skill floor (how good you need to be to start doing it) and skill ceiling (how good you can become through mastery).>highest skill floor, fundamentalsScum, in every difficulty. The meme of spamming dodge only holds true up to malice, maybe heresy. Above that, you have to actually know what you're doing or you just die.>highest skill ceiling, fundamentalsProbably a tie between veteran and scum. Both classes can pull off retarded solo clutch stunts in h40 (if vet is built for it) WHILE killing everything.>highest skill floor, meta knowledgeI'm gonna have to give it to scum here, too. Mostly for the buildcrafting. Some 90% of scum run a retarded bricked build that does nothing. Arbitrator wouldn't count because the class is so OP your build barely matters (below havoc).>highest skill ceiling, meta knowledgeProbably psyker? You can do some really retarded looking builds that actually just rape, but nobody understands them. See: FGS wave spam. Psyker also benefits massively from picking good teammates.Otherwise maybe even zealot. Autistic game knowledge makes zealots stand out a ton. The supportcuck build has the lowest mechanical difficulty, but team comp theory, cooldown management, and overall awareness make a world of difference. Also keeping your squishies safe.>hardest to play in (sub-)auricI'd say scum because it's bad at doing objectives. >hardest to play in havoc 30-40Ogryn or vet. I'd give it to ogryn.
>>581554937Also keep in mind that a class can simultaneously have the lowest skill floor, and a high (or highest) skill ceiling.Havoc psyker comes to mind, as an example. It takes no skill to be the soulblaze bubblecuck with a bodyguard holding each of your hands. Similar-ish for the Chinese smoke meta vet, who is expected to be kept safe while all he does is throw smokes and shoot specialists and everyone else does the actual heavy lifting. Both classes can squeeze out a fuckton of performance if you play them well with VERY different builds, but if you play the ez-mode retard builds, you don't need much skill to perform adequately.Another good example is ogryn in the lower difficulties, which is kind of just free as long as you keep clicking your melee.
>>581554937Educated that freak
>Veteran>Shout nerfed>Mfw vastly prefer dangerous enemies getting highlightedThen again I tried to make a sniper-revolver build for elite hunting. The 25% ranged damage seems nice but I feel like I need to be even more on my toes now.
>>581557731>sniper-revolverwell theres your first problem, use bolt pistol
>>581554937Ogryn is both the hardest in H40 because the class massively falls off in H40. He is funnily enough both the weakest and the strongest class depending entirely on the build. Melee ogryn is in dire straits in havoc, but ranged ogryn is having the time of its life.Which honestly sucks because is pretty much the only class who has this separation of "build strength".Like what I mean is other classes don't really need to think about if they have to do trade offs with their build, like a veteran doesn't need to think about "hmmm, should I take power sword, bolter, smokes/kraks or VoC in this build?" they'll just take all of it.Unlike ogryn, if he goes with melee build he can't invest in his ranged damage as much beyond choosing a good gun (not like there are many of them anyway), and the opposite happens with ranged ogryn and that can't invest into melee as much.
>>581557860NTA but WS revolver vet is one of the strongest builds you can play. It's just held back by being WS and technically a melee meme build, so it's really hard to play and be effective with.Bolt pistol is more of a general purpose choice and usually superior, but not always.
>>581558241hes player sniper, which means not weapon specialist, shotguns and revolver need talents that reload the mag outside normal reload because it takes too long
>>581558345>shotgunsSlug shotgun is the best true sniping gun in the entire game and only wants a single reload node (but taking both is fine).
>>581558202>Which honestly sucks because is pretty much the only class who has this separation of "build strength".Well there's rampage scum, which will be OP even after the nerfs, and low viscosity crate scum, which is so fucking bad it amounts to griefing. There's also desperado scum which is pretty pitiful compared to rampage as well.Other classes aren't quite as extreme, but you can totally brick your builds there too. Tard stance arbitrator comes to mind, which takes a useless ability, and can skip TtW + Soulguilt, and even take a useless keystone if particularly retarded.>veteran Pissvision is actually very strong, same for weapon choices that aren't usually considered meta, like combat shotgun and helbore just to name a few. Higher highs, lower lows. Such a build is physically incapable of clutching when shit hits the fan, but with a decent team actually doing their jobs, off-meta vet is fucking incredibly powerful.I completely agree on ogryn though. Melee ogryn is fucking pathetic. That being said, taunt + FNP builds are still strong, because you can apply brittleness with pushes, and still use the GG to kill everything and hit 2 million damage assuming you're the only one taking ammo (which is how it should be).
I'm going to play Exec Stance Bolbgun Vet just like in the old days and I'm going to have fun.
>>581558595>Other classes aren't quite as extreme, but you can totally brick your builds there too.I mean "separation of build strength" in the way they don't really need to make big trade offs.Like take veteran, he doesn't need to think about "aw shucks what shall I do about the melee enemies in H40?" you just pick power sword which lets you deal with hordes, armor and even bosses.Same goes ranged, veteran doesn't need to think "oh man what shall I use for sniping gunners?" you just take the boltgun with surgical which lets you 1 tap gunners and I think all specials.This even happens with scumYou don't think "oh man what shall I do for melee combat" you just take rampage with max viscosity stimm.You don't think "ooh ma, those ranged enemies feel a bit scary what shall I do?" you just take the needler which makes all ranged enemies and specials into a joke. It even lets you kill armor and bosses relatively easy because chem toxin is retardedly strong.
Longshot's +10% to +25% @30m is worth it now in a wider range of scenarios with Vet getting +25% ranged damage passive? The wording is the same so it's got to be additive, so +35% to +50%.
>>581559151>you just take the boltgun with surgical which lets you 1 tap gunners and I think all specials.I don't play vet in h40 so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think even Surgical boltgun one-taps h40 gunners consistently unless you use Marksman's Focus, max stack Focus Target!, or pissvision. And I'm not even sure that these do it reliably either. Even with flak + unarmored on the boltgun.It's why I think the upcoming change to vet granting an additional, was it +15% potential ranged damage? should make a big difference in hitting breakpoints.I'm nitpicking, but the helbore is actually just better at this specific role. As is the combat shotgun. I think even the bolt pistol is technically better for Surgical thanks to the (small but probably relevant) weakspot damage blessing.I agree with your point on opportunity cost, and simply choosing not to pay any by taking all the optimal shit. But that's very much a meta knowledge skill ceiling thing. It may seem obvious and easy to you and I, but try hosting EU havocs and inspecting the scum builds that apply. Over half are useless crate tards, probably closer to 3/4.>needlerThere is somewhat of a downside to this, too, as it can't stagger worth jack shit. For all of its power, there are scenarios where you'll wish you'd brought the explosive bolt pistol instead, such as keeping a netted teammate safe, quickly suppressing gunners, or staggering an entire gaggle of trappers before they do anything. Not that I'm denying the power of the needler.
I'm still confused why they didn't just bake the Stomping Boots, No Pain and Bullet Bravado into their respective abilities on ogryn?When you actually look at the abilities they don't really do much as a baseline, they should at least let you regen your toughness a bit when you activate them.
>>581558859reminds me of a guy that had a good build but fucking christ was he rude, a pve twat cliché personified
>>581543798Blocking people seems to keep you from queuing with them again. Do post if it doesn't work for you though pretty please.
>dogless arb gets free 10% damage buff in updateVindicated for my eternal decision to send that heckin pupperino to the pound the second I got the chance to.
Is it possible to make the recon lasgun good
>>581564312probably if you understand it's never gonna work for something like carpace
>>581564312It's a very good gun on veteran because Shock Trooper exists. It's a bit worse than the laspistol when it comes to general purpose, but you can build the blue recon las to shred armor.>>581564367It's semi-viable (in auric) to put carapace on it and take all the rending/brittleness in the tree and just shoot crushers dead.It's not great, but it gets the job done.
>>581564312it is good if you have stuff like shock trooper and infernus, but it inherently will never be great or betterits consistent though, which is why a lot of people like it
>>581564482i used to do that but then the crusher hp buff happened and i honestly just dont think its worth it anymore, just swap to melee at that pointi used shovel with mine and it killed them significantly faster even with all the bells and whistles after that so why bother
>>581564482the things leading to brittleness on hit (onslaught) are useless af
>>581564646Correct, it's absolutely more efficient to just melee crushers dead. But for a bad new player who shits his pants when a crusher shows up, it's perfectly fine to just shoot them. Or if you're lazy and don't want to have to deal with melee.>>581564678Reciprocity is one of the best skills you can pick with Shock Trooper, melee crit/finesse is great, +25 toughness and Agile Engagement are both very strong. What are you smoking?In the updated tree you are only taxed 1 "bad" node too.
>>581564312its fine, it has infinite ammo, but i prefer iag, i think the stagger is more helpful, but it could be a placebo>>581564367its fine if youre doing marksmen focus stuff
>>581564312Absolutely, assuming you take Deadshot and Marksman's Focus with Chink in their Armor and Rending Strikes. It's very good against mixed hordes. The 60 damage torrent mark is a piece of shit, though.
>>581564678The balance changes are gonna alleviate that since the node is closer to the middle of the tree, you're gonna be able to stack both the rending and the brittleness. I figure it'll end up being core to veteran builds from then on.
>>581564312On Vet yeah.>stack ranged crit chance, rending and ammo regeneration wherever possible>run Dum Dum + InfernusNow you spend most of the mission magdumping anything you see.Boss damage is decent thanks to Infernus. The only thing you'll really struggle to deal with are Crushers and large groups of Maulers who get the drop on you. To which you use Kraks and your melee as an answer to.It's similar to Scummer's Infantry Autogun build. Only Scummer is a lot safer because of the dodge talents.
reminder that on the 29th DARKTIDE WILL FUCKING DIE, legions of review bombers will utterly ANNIHILATE OBESE FISH FOR DESTROYING THE SANCTITY OF BALANCE and thus all will be good in the world
>>581565648they didn't take the chinese's feelings into account my lord...
>>581564312>https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c83939-e8b8-4841-84cd-b834cdc6d499/lazoridk, might be decent for zoomin
>>581565648Not in your wildest dreams rat subhuman.On the 29th Darktide will be SAVED, many are saying this!
>>581565648They've read the balance changes and haven't done anything, if they were gonne review bomb it, they would have by now.
>>581566020They are waiting for the mandarin translation
>>581566020Chinks can't read english
I wish helbores had a proper sight on them like the infantry lasguns.
>malefic momentum is now locked behind anticipation>even empyric shock is behind bunch of bad nodes that I don't care aboutThanks fatshark, I guess fuck my electro staff builds.
Why the fuck can't they fix the fucking match making bullshit?I hate having to play the entire fucking mission 1 person missing and replaced with a useless fucking bot that does nothing.
>>581570689That's a feature not a bug, you don't get a replacement if someone crashes or alt+f4s (treated as a crash) since the slot is kept open for them to return.
>>581567357And they won't even buff the staff to make up for it
>>581566802I wish more ranged weapons had a flashlight on them.>get lights out>its one of those really open maps where you get turned around easily amidst the chaosI don't understand why so many ranged weapons have a literally useless "bash" special attack. Maybe if they didn't interrupt reloading they'd be a bit more useful (as they'd let you buy space from poxwalkers without needing to switch weapons).
>>581571021Grim, dark even.
>>581571182I remember in the past there was 1 premium cosmetic rotation that had an advert in the forums or something, and that showed a helbore gun with the holosight that the infantry lasgun had, but then the gun in the actual shop didn't have any.That shit was fucking intentional middle finger by the devs.
Why is it that the Skitarii that uses a Volataic Emitter loadout is the biggest shitter on your team. Always.
>>581571556Because the ability does nothing if you don't use it right, and also Arc Rifle is so broken in the lower difficulties that it carries retards to higher ones for free while they never have to learn the melee.
so uhhh what ever happened to that new DRG game?
>>581574179The devs did a playtest, did the retarded Scandinavian thing of spitefully outright ignoring any and all playtester feedback, released into early access without addressing glaring issues that they were informed of every step of the way, got a relatively lukewarm reception because the game isn't good, and then it fizzled out.
>>581574337God I wish their retarded fucking countries would fizzle out, I'm sick and fucking tired of hearing about their privileged asses constantly fucking up
>>581574337shame
>>581574337Their penchant for self sabotage is boundless
>>581574337>did the retarded Scandinavian thing of spitefully outright ignoring any and all playtester feedbackAmazing how all Swedes seem to be like this. Valheim still doesn't have crafting from chests.
>>581574810*Danes same shit applies though
>>581574337>>581574810Why only Swedes seem to dev those coop games anyway?
am so bored am almost tempted by rogue core, are the augments still weak as shit?
>>581575698We're boycotting rouge core. If you cross the picket line you're fucking dead
>>581576184In minecraft, right?
>>581576184Fuck your socialist mob
>>581576267>>581576354Your minecraft character will be the only thing people will have to remember you by
>>581576443D:
Redditoids are such faggots. If Fatshark somehow decided to stop catering to them, it's a massive W.
Oid this, oid that. How about you oid deez nuts?
stfu ratoid
robocop mod is cool
>>581577814They really should remove the capacitance loss when firing, this ability would be so much fun instead of being nigger dogshit as it is now
>>581578112pretty sure it's not even a real aimbot
>>581578112Yeah that is genuinely the worst part about the ability.Also they should bake bunch of the modifier nodes into the base ability as well, there is genuinely no good fucking reason to have 5 different modifiers it should be 3 or 2 at max. And rest are baked into the base ability.
>>581574337>did the retarded Scandinavian thing of spitefully outright ignoringThis isn't exclusive behaviour to scandinavians, it's just typical behaviour that most game developement studios partake in nowadays. Even US based ones do it.
kek
>>581580587>whenever you nerf anything in a game nowadays
>>581580587Please be considerate of our Chinese friends, they only get 2 hours of state-sanctioned video game time per week and they absolutely need to clear their h40s as efficiently as they can in the name of Chairman Mao to avoid being re-educated
>>581580587They are coming.
>>581581627PUBBLICATE DI RECENTE AYAYAYAYA QUE MALO ARRIBA ARRIBA LA CREATURAYou're brown as well.
>>581581734not that it changes the core of the accusation but that's italian
>>581581902>said the indian in Canadabegone, jeet.
Lmao ratjeet is so fucking retarded
>>581582132they raped you you bottom bitch smelly brown cocksleeveyou vill NEVER regain your izzat, you're a nigger here and forevertalk about /coop/ games or fuck off
>>581581627>>581580587To be expected of these “people” but I kind of want to see how bad they can get
>>581580587>white pig tidechinamen are funny
>sleeper /vg/ cell of chinese agents has been activated to sow discord among the filthy white pigu gweilos
>>581582626It's just a common racial slur combined with "tide". Could call it "Nigger Tide" or "Jeet Tide"
>>581581627Tide games are white piggu games. They can fuck off to gachas
>>581582260>>581577163>>581576443>>581576184>>581582127Geg
>>581582906>3 (you)sThanks
>>581582984>the 2 other are minenigga there's like 5 people in this thread lmao
>>581580587>>581582626>>581582715Feels weird seeing pig used as an insult as I always thought it was “devil” used.Probably Taiwanese gamers mad at fatshark if I’m being honest.There are angry Chinese gamers mad at fatshark though. Hopefully fatshark will listen to the celestial kingdom.Also how long has the christened “jeet” been at this for? What are his calling cards he can’t help but show?
>>581583084why do you think they removed the IP counter
>>581583097Devil fell out of use because it implies a sort of superiority in dealmaking. Chinese nationalists don't like the implication that china got fucked over in the global scene by superior businessmen because it's spot on. Half their population is factory slaves for the west who literally kill themselves to give us cheap plastic and electronics. We are raping chinese people so hard it's insane. Not trying to white guilt or something, this is just reality.Anyways this whole dynamic falls into their gamer lingo because even china gamers are pretty government fearing
>>581583097Just pay attention. Keep in mind that he tries to pretend like there is any doubt as to who is the ratjeet by accusing other people of being him
>>581583316shame, white devil is such a classic turdie insult, I miss it
>>581580587I'm really tempted to become a game developer to create a multiplayer game and nerf it in an update just so I can tell a chinaman "git gud slanty eyed fuck"
>>581583316>>581583403Thanks! Truthfully pig isn’t really a good insult since Chinese gacha games are huge right now.>>581583423Yeah white devil was always a good marker.But gweilo will never go out of style.I still hope fatshark will go back on some weird nerfs due to Chinese angry gamers>t. Wmaf spawn>got called a gweilo by a drunk when visiting family in China
>>581581627>oggiDamn bro? You an ogryn?
>>581581828thank you, Peter
>>581548939With a fucking brain of a bird maybe
>>581583316That’s so pathetically pedantic it’s believable they would think of it. I don’t think anyone else but them would have even made that connection lmao. The century of humiliation will never be recovered from…>>581583827Based hapa.
>>581582762Wow what a fucking revelation, we had no idea. Thanks for posting you fucking faggot.
>>581586495Apparently it was for >>581582626Which is why i posted it. Are you retarded?
>>581586270Motherfucker, it doesn't take much brain power to realize that the "generic human soldier class" with the one of the most ranged heavy/specialize skilltree is a fucking ranged class.
>>581586661I just said it's funny. Then you showed up and felt like explaining the obvious. Are you drunk?
>>581587445>yes i am retarded!!Cool. Thanks for confirming
>>581587340It's worse at being ranged class than ogryn or psyker or arbites
>remake old build with the new tree>5 talent points left over>do it on other classes too >4-6 talent points left overuhh.. I hate to say it but this is making buildcrafting a bit less interesting. I feel like I can just get every good talent now. I guess things got "streamlined"
>>581587628Can you also explain why we put -fag at the end of words here on 4chan? I never understood that!
>>581588046That really triggered you, huh?
>>581583097The chink slur for white people is 白鬼/lit. white ghost, which usually gets translated to "white devil" etc. where the corresponding slur for nigger is 黑鬼/lit. black ghostIn general, 鬼/ghost is often used in pejoratives since death/ghosts is associated as unlucky/cursed.
>>581588096You thought you knew something we didn't, and now when you're called out, you have to pivot to "lmao u mad". I'll take that as a concession. Good talk.
>>581588410I just thought it was your first day on the internet considering the fact that you thought there was anything special about the chinese review. Turns out you're just really, really retarded and your insecurity proves that you are deeply aware of your own stupidity
>>581588704bro he thought it was funny, you don't have to be so asshurt about something so benign. It feels like you really badly want to be the smartest person in the room
>>581588704raped his ass
>>581588704i never said special, i said it was funny, which it is
>>581588828>bro he thought it was funnyI am aware>>581588926You're so special it's funny
Zealots Brothers !what's our status ?
>>581589175Still chorus bots but now chorus is worse
>>581587651And it still is and always has been THE ranged class.Just because fartshart is absolutely fucking abysmal in terms of game balance doesn't change that fact.
>>581589175zealot? Is that what you call your ninja?
>>581588113Can I call chinese yellow ghosts?
>>581588704Bodied that freak
>>581589364you can, but it's not very funny
>>581589548Damn
>>581589717gotta be creative, you know. The chinese are known for copying westerners. So if we copy them, we will look like hypocrites
its depressing that darktide did so well. its such a shit game with no melee (its all just light attack spam). shit enemies. fatshart is only ever going to make shitty ranged focused games from now on after the success.it hurts to think about.
>>581590120there are better ways to start conversations
>>581589364If you aren't satisfied with calling them chinks then wait until we go to war with them, that's when we'll get a slur for them, like zipperheads, gooks and slopes for the koreans and vietnamese
>>581590120I don't want to duel enemies one by one for several minutes.
>>581590225That's ratjeet you're talking to
>>581590298Just make a comment about opioids
>>581590580They'll hit back with fentanyl
>>581589175We should be able to look like this>>581588113That explains why they hate depictions of them so much
Normally the faster laspistol is the one to use, but with 25% ranged damage going for the Vet then the heavier laspistol could make some breakpoints then? It does more weakspot damage than the Mark 7 lasgun so if stacking everything it should be able to clear gunners in headshots too.
>>581593206The faster one is still supreme because overall TTK is lower. You couldn't fire the slower mark fast enough to compete with it, and shocktrooper guarantees that ammo isn't a concern. There's an argument to be made for the slow laspistol on any other class though.
>>581574337>The devs did a playtest, did the retarded Scandinavian thing of spitefully outright ignoring any and all playtester feedback, released into early access without addressing glaring issues that they were informed of every step of the wayWhy have a playtest if you're going to have your head up your own ass anyways?
>>581595329make the sheep feel like they are heard, DRG is toxic positivity incarnate
>>581595329>>581595409They just assumed it would be good, realized it sucked and needed too much work to fix after playtester feedback and then just shipped it hoping enough people would like it anyway
When will ogryn have heavy bolter?Sven, pls
>>581596327Never
You come into MY havoc lobbyand you start accepting and declining people without askingI will find you, I will END YOU.
>>581596327At this point, I think it's never going to happen. There were anons saying dataminers found a ton of potential new weapons and all we are getting is 3 new weapons with some of them visually being recolored pre-existing skins.
>>581598101Surely they are saving those and the heavy bolter for the weapon pack DLC, right? Right?
>>581599278:DNo!
Speaking of whichWhat about that weapon pack dlc for VT2
>>581599278even though a lot of anons here have aid they would pay for a weapons dlc, fatshark said they weren't going to do that and we're about to enter the 5th year of this game so if they were going to do something like that they already should have. What we got and the current quarterly updates is all they are going to do assuming they even keep working on Darktide with whatever skeleton crew they have while they work on their u5 "secret" project
>>581597897Sorry i want to play with my buddy, he just picked up Skit class and wants to try it out in Havoc
>>581597897Good luck, I'm behind 7000 poxwalkers
I am death! >:3
>psyker and veteran nerfshas the review bombing begun yet
>>581604546YesThey nerfed ogryn again too.
>>581604546>This game is keeping nerf its characters, although this is a PVE game. So you don't know what the developers are thinking about. I'm coming for fun, coming for combine of the skills as my will to have fun, yet they try to teach me how to game. I bought the DLC and only found out that it's a piece of sxxt, what's worse they keep to make it even worse. This game is going to die definitely if they still keep make the gaming experience bad. What have I eaten to buy this son of ... If you ask me whether this game is worthy? RUN!
>>581604753this but unironically>axial slash nerfI won't even show up for the update, I'm done, bye.
>nerf to relic blade sprinting attackin what fucking world was this necessary
>>581604753To be fair I kinda get it. Because this update by the looks of it is looking to be more of a nerf for few classes. At least some of it is warranted like, psyker and hive scum, but the veteran and ogryn nerfs don't feel good or make sense.Like them nerfing CDR on ogryn is terrible and I know for a fact they are only doing that because of they did the retarded mistake of lowering the cooldown on PBB.Instead of nerfing the CDR as a whole on ogryn they should've increased PBB's cooldown timer even more.
>>581605346>Instead of nerfing the CDR as a whole on ogryn they should've increased PBB's cooldown timer even more.That would require acknowledging that changing PBB in the first place was a mistake. This would be an irredeemable izzat loss.
>>581605113In a world where devs mainly play malice.
>>581605113The relic blade is overpowered as fuck, it needed some nerf or another.
>>581605923Honestly what is it fatshark and other game studios or whatever that they are just incapable of rolling back changes?Like what is with this "never acknowledge mistakes" like what does it benefit or serve? Since it only leads to the devs having to reinvent the fucking wheel or do some retarded round about ways of nerfing shit instead of doing the logical and direct way.It's just dumb.
>>581606472Probably never admit fault because people on social media would go absolutely rabid if you did.
>>581606472I don't think this necessarily has anything to do with a company failing to acknowledge mistakes, and more likely has something to do with whatever work environment at a given company. SOME individual greenlit this change, and is ultimately taking responsibility for it. It only takes that individual being a narcissistic prick to fuck everything over.There may also be other incentives that I can't think of right now. Like whatever workplace culture that disrespects leadership that owns up to mistakes. Sw*den is becoming the third world so this wouldn't be too difficult to imagine, turdies are infamous for their doubling and tripling down.
>>581604605>They nerfed ogryn again too.Chinks think otherwise.
>>581606414>overpowered as fuck>he hasn't seen all the other weapons that make it look like a wiffle ball battopkek
>>581607237Ranged ogryn got buffed bigly.Melee ogryn keeps getting raped, probably because everyone in charge of testing (ogryn) and balancing (ogryn) is actually fucking mentally disabled DEI hires or something.
>>581607482>the literal strongest weapon available to the classAre you one of those real life mongoloids that spams light attacks until it overheats and then uses it unpowered, or are you just ratjeet baiting with obviously idiotic takes again?
Why are the Chinese complaining so much? I thought Ogryn was considered the weakest class.
>>581607237Because the chinese are dumb and don't understand shit.Melee ogryn got massive nerfs while Fatshark buffed ranged ogryn AGAIN.Ogryn ranged build is just the ogryn equivelant of scrier's gaze/flame staff, ie. keeps getting unwarranted buffs for no fucking reason that keep making the thing more and more OP and more of a problem for gamebalance.All this shit will culminate into is that Fatshark will be 100% be cratering ogryn into the fucking ground eventually because even if this player base is dumb as shit it WILL inevitably find out that ogryn is pulling like 2-4 million damage which will make all the forum warrior nerf trannies shit their pants in fear and then demand Fartshar to nerf ogryn again.Which is when the devs will also find out about ogryn actually being good and not dead weight, which leads them to panic nerfing ogryn which only make ranged ogryn "acceptable level of power" while in the process completeling cratering the fucking melee side because in Fartshart's eyes ogryn is never allowed to be good.I hate this fucking cycle I want off Mr. Bones' Wild Ride.
>>581608161>Ogryn was considered the weakest class.Yeah by fucking retards. Rumbler/GG ranged ogryn has been the single strongest build in the game ever since the giga buff PBB received, and has been and still is, a top tier build even without PBB.>big ogre man with a 200 lb slab of steel that can literally splatter you >nerf the already anemic melee>buff the already overpowered ranged buildsIt's pretty retarded.
>>581608161As far as I can tell, they complain like crazy the moment anything in the meta might shift
>>581608161Ogryn is both weakest and strongest.Melee ogryn is barely hanging above abysmal dogshit, while ranged PBB ogryn is so fucking overpowered that you can out damage a flamestaff psyker.
>>581605113In the world where you faggots kept sperging out over anyone not using relic blade on zealot. You reap what you sow
I don't understand how this screen works exactly.The left group has a level 2 clerance but it doesn't show a specific havoc, the right one has a level 13 and 20 but it shows havoc 4.Should I just choose 'my havoc assigment' and then invite only people at or above that clearance if I want to rank up?
i wish arrowhead had the balls to do a balance patch like this, redditdivers would probably have a stroke because of their overwhelming tantrum if anything got nerfed
>>581604605It just shows how overpowered ogryn wasAfter 3 rounds of ogryn nerfs and 2 rounds of buffs for every other class ogryn is still the strongestYet ogryn sissies keep whining how their low skill ceiling class is so hard to play with
>>581609516you should do a fucking maelstrom and stop being a pussy
>>581605113Anything that feels good for fun needs to be nerfed into the ground.Swedish game design.>Make Zealot good?>NO! Nerf psyker, vet, and even nerf the Zealot's best weapon!
We've got a better picture
>>581609516Yeah, just do "My Havoc Assignment". If you do one higher than your current assignment it can level you up faster tho. I think if you do Yourlevel+10 you rank up 3 times. As for the numbers and all that.. [1-10] or [10-15] etc.. is the havoc rank range, this doesn't really mean anything. (+2) is the amount of modifiers. So there are 2 modifiers. The bottom right number "4" is the rank of the assignment they are doing. If it isn't listed then they haven't posted with their assignment. ]either way do an auric maelstrom before doing havoc lol
>>581609742Something can feel like shit to play and be overpowered as fuck simultaneously.Like Terrans in Brood War.
>>581609920>>581610293I barely got out alive of a normal auric mission. I need to do my assignment now for that sweet diamantine.
>>581608161Because they don’t look like that
>>581610128>nerfed into the ground.Anon the RB just got an exploit fixed, a minor unyielding damage nerf, and inbuilt thrust on the sprint attack to compensate for stealth backstab builds. It will remain the best melee weapon on the class.Stop being so /v/tarded as to assume that any nerf automatically renders something worthless. That is actual sub 80 IQ behavior. Stop it.
>>581610209>brap cloudOh please god, don't have this thing spawn in tox gas until it's killed.
>>5816105401-10 would probably be fine. I pray for your teammates.
>>581610209OH OHSTINKY
>This is my Galvanic Rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine.>My Rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life.>Without me, my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than my enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will ...>My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, nor the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit ...>My rifle is machine, even as I , because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strength, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will ever guard it against the ravages of weather and damage as I will ever guard my Bionics, my Mechadenrites, my optics and my soul against Tech-HERESY. I will keep my rifle clean and oiled. We will become part of each other. We will ...>Before The Omnissiah, I swear this creed. My rifle and I are the defenders of Holy Mars. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.>So be it, until victory is The Imperium's and there is no enemy, but peace!
>>581610209tornado return?
>>581610209The Ultimate Aura Farmer....
>>581610540Turns out if you post a level 3 havoc a bunch of level 20 clears join and kill everything.
>>581613378Good attempt. Appreciate the effort. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZEV_KQgi10
>>581613525>yeah bro VT2 is a better game bro actually hard bro way more fair broK E K
>>581614238I love my vidya rifles. I love my Space Garands
>>581613378your weapon is shit, only good for larp builds in auric
>>581616949Me too anon. Me too. I'm thinking of buying one.
>>581609742>ogryn is still the strongestRANGED ogryn is strongest.But the only thing that gets constant fucking nerfs is the fucking MELEE ogryn builds.They quite literally BUFFED ranged ogryn again in this patch by giving ogryn free regenerating ammo.
>Noob>Haven't played Auric let alone havoc>They're gonna remove gold toughnessNow how am I gonna get those penances like True Survivor?
>>581609742because people want to play melee ogryn, not ranged ogryn, however, the nerf isnt that big, its just some toughness and cdr reduction, you have 5 extra points to spend on bullshit that you normally wouldnt be able to pick after getting all the good shit in the melee line
>>581617367Also I made that post because I carried a Damnation game with it. It wasn't easy.
>>581618573That got past the word filter? Well done.
>>581610875Anon. They buffed the most dogshit melee Zealot has (I should know, I've mastered literally all of them) and maybe made it usable. Probably not. It's still unusably slow until you've gained a few martyrdom stacks.It's hard to judge whether FotF will be any good while used with Burning Hatred and Fire and Fury. IMO it's going to need a CD buff so you can keep applying burning stacks. It'll probably be the best build Zealot has but still be just worse than what Psyker (or dare I say, Skittles) can do.And just to be clear, Chorus got gutted. It has less pulses and doesn't CC enemies as well. With the changes to piss toughness, it's looking weak as hell.
>>581619371you get 20% on elite kill after using, and get a second charge, that you down time should only be around 12 seconds, the main issue with burn is that it only active for 4 seconds, which might favor knife builds since theyre fast enough to actually reach the cap, or use a gun so maybe shredder is coming back
>>581618203Better get to it now.
>>581617681Properly built melee ogryn is the strongest melee too
>>581620943I honestly don't feel like I'm good enough at the game yet to tackle Havoc. I can't consistently do well on Damnation and haven't even tried Auric yet. I wish more people would stick to difficulties they can actually play. Lotta shitters in Heresy
>>581610209fat nigger
>>581621164>Lotta shitters in shitter difficulty
>>581618203Honestly, just enjoy the game. You don't NEED penances.
>>581621164Heresy is basically the end game of a noob's leveling, and the beginning of them learning the game properly.As for you, what's your class(s)? What do you take to Damnation?
Did that chaos spawn just fucking style on me?
>>581622209BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION
>>581621580I read that in Vito's voice>>581621630but I want the cool blue armor>>581621775The four core classes to get their penances done, though I've not really worked out the most efficient way to play them. I'm not sure if there's an easy way to show off a build.I like popping heads with brain burster as Psyker but I also like running Assail and a Force Greatsword and being a sword mage. I've not quite worked out how best to use staves.I like running dueling sword and laspistol as Vet and LARPing as a sergeant with the shout and mark target ability, though using the plasma gun or recon lasgun is also funAnd for Zealot I liked using the Eviscerator or Relic Blade and charging into people, though I've played Zealot a bit too much lately.Ogryn I've played the least but I like using the maul or the cleaver alongside the grenade launcher and rock. I still need to do the shooty penances on him.
>>581621052>Properly built melee ogryn is the strongest melee tooNo, it fucking isn't. Far from it. Rampage scum is by far THE strongest melee class in the game currently and nobody else is even close. It's literallyRampage scum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone else>>ogryn
>>581623081Right here is an example of a psyker build I just playedhttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c93424-90a3-49f1-b181-cbde3f82d6fc/recent-psykerI can try making some more for other classes to show off my favourites.
>>581623561https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c93729-9796-4a5f-b72f-72035697ad07/example-vethttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c9388c-8aa1-4f2f-84b7-5bcb158670a0/example-zealot-2https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c93af7-d898-411f-a190-2c0953fdab2c/example-ogrynThese are just examples and the Ogryn is still a WIP while I do penances for him.
I'm excited for the datamines
>>581625710The next update will contain the next code word for the new class and it'll be Digger
Been using this build on my vet in aurics. It's been very fun and works surprisingly well. At least for my playstyle it does.You guys have any advice? Thought about if I should change Deathblow on the sword for Perfect Strike to deal with blobs of armor better but I'm not sure if that's better than Deathblow.https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c94107-fc8a-45cc-85ad-8ab729eebed5/helbore-heavy-sword-vet
>>581627453not heavy sword and not hotshot
So did the patch fix dorktide?
To whom it may concern, NMRiH2 has a bonus credit weekend going on right now.
>>581627453>The two worst weapons vet hasLolLmao
>>581630426He is going to kick ass when he switches to actual good weapons
>>581629932tell me when it has double account xp
>>581631054Hyperbolic time chamber ass training
>>581630426helbore is good
>>581622209look at that smigger go!
>>581622209>SO LONG GAY BOWSER
>>581630426>Helbore is one of Vet two worst weaponsAre you implying all autoguns are stronger than helbore? When helbore can access to shocktrooper alone make it potentially better than plasma. Can even include deadshot for better ammo management. If you want to criticize, then his helbore mark is the worst one and one bad blessing choice - the cleave one.
>>581622209He's trying to hit the heckin' doggerino
>>581639240
>>581639240I'll slap that flatrat
*fart* NIGGERS! >:(
I like ogryn melee, why is it supposed to be bad again?
>>581640872Fatshart actually put our worst ritualposter in the game, what a moment in /coopg/ history
>>581640872just realized he's just going to be Burblespue from VT2
>>581640872look at his short legs lol
>>581640952People don't like that a big guy doesn't do 5x more damage than everyone else
Newish player here (~20 hours) and I really like Ogryn, specifically tank and keeping heat off the team. Will the new big-ass hammer weapon let me play that way still or is it a DPS weapon? I use the shield
>>581642571it probably won't play too differently from the pickaxe which will make it one of his best all around melee options
>>581640872Fatshart actually put our best ritualposter in the game, what a moment in /coopg/ history
Okay, so here's a thought - if the chinkoids hate the changes and the "whitu piggu" so much, why not make their own, chink-exclusive co-op game and fuck off there?Seriously, if they consider all whites to be retarded animals - why play our games? I'm tired of seeing these dogeating niggers bitch and whine in every game I happen to play, especially since their superiority complex is 100% unwarranted. They all play like shit, can't think for themselves, and have THE most fragile egos. Not to mention the fucking autistic melties they throw over any and all changes.Why won't they just fuck off?
>>581642571You've got all the same info that we do dude
>>581644104I feel the same.
>>581644104>why not make their own, chink-exclusive co-op game and fuck off there?They haven't gotten permission from the hivemind to go ahead and copy the idea like they did with gacha games, souls-likes and MOBAs
>>581627453Remove all 3 talent points on farthest right side of skill tree. Two points go for shocktrooper talent, one point goes for longshot talent on top.Switch helbore mark to either blue mark or brown mark. Swap out Hot Shot blessing to armour bane for blue mark, or surgical for the brown mark.If you are worry about stamina, then you can use one stamina+3 curio with stamin! regen in it rather than using two curios with stamina regen. If you are lucky with weapon shop for it to show up that is.Melee weapon, you can use Mk6 power sword with power cycler and rampage blessings. Mk6 has better light horizontal for horde and push attack into light for crusher and mauler or single target damage. Its refinement bonuses should be carapace and flak. Helbore should have unyielding and flak.My very personal opinion on Focus Target keystone, you wont be utilize much of 6 stacks modifier, it's better to pick more damage buff for everyone instead.If you want to be more selfish, you can go Excutioner stand with gunners highlight and Marksman keystone. Or just marksman keystone is fine.
>>581623081>>581625626Well and good. Doing well on Heresy is basically just whetting yourself on how the combat flow of Darktide works, especially it's melee. That said for Ogryn, look up "Mulch Build". Can't go wrong with Dakka
>>581630426Hellbore is fine, it's just if you want to deal with it's mechanics for the sake of Larping as a Krieger or not.
>>581644104Chinks are fucked by government accessiblity in internet. Both reddit and twitter are banned in China. Their main social platform are like Bilibili, tieba and xiaolongshu (red note). Obviously none of these involves with Fatshark nor expects an average non Chinks can communicate or care about Chinks language. Steam becomes the only place they can voice their negative opinions on new patch.Chink gaming developers or industry prefer frequent new content live service model from the start. Coop games in general aren't suited for that, otherwise Chinks borderland game would had taken off a long timenl ago and not cancelled before release. Big Western mmo games are more like to be licensed as an exclusive version in China instead with their own exclusive skins and p2w premium shops. Look at Warframe and PoE. How Overwatch China gets some exclusive premium skins for a year before global Overwatch can get.
>>581644104Just for sake of asking. What EXACTLY is the Chinese players issue? Surely there's actual reasons and not just "Fuck the Chnks/Fuck the Barbarian" mindset.
Man PBB rumbler is crazy
looks like you can make "pre-builds" on the build site for the new patch. Neat.
>>581652585wow all 12 people who are going to stick around after a nerf patch with dogshit content must find that really helpful
What will my ogryns toughness be after the patch? Literally just minus 15?
>>581654629-15 if youre ranged, its not really worth getting on melee
>>581644104The funny thing is they do the exact same thing with FromSoftware/Japanese games. It seems to be some kind of genuine inferiority complex at this point, but also because their gaming industry is still in its relative infancy and more of them can’t be bothered to make shit that isn’t gachaslop.>>581650985Technically they *could* access more niche websites like the Fatshark forums seeing as how everyone and their mother uses a VPN over there (despite it being illegal to do so) but they probably do feel like Steam gets their point across better.
>>581655341Maybe someday a non-gacha game will come out and a generation of Chinese gamers will find a greater appreciation for vidya that isn't just slot machines.I mean there are those FPS's coming out that are based on Japan's Invasion of China during the 30s. (Though I'm sure the Party will make sure they don't bring up the whole civil war/nationalist thing)
>>581655264What the hell does this mean
>>581657305ranged ogryns shortest path to the bottom must pick 15 toughness, tank ogryn could pick it and melee ogryn doesnt
>>581652585https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c9b128-9e19-400d-b3fa-a1eda02ef677/shotgun-boogieI went and made my own Theory build for the hey of it. I wasn't sure about Melee, so I went with something safe for Heresy. The idea is basically>Shotgun Blasts everything that isn't a Crusher, that's what the good ole Krak is for>Dueling Sword because it can do armor pen and it's usually my safe pick>Infiltrate cuz why not, could be useful for getting up close to targets to BLAM them, as well as save people.>Specialist since that made sense, but I could switch to focus to help burn down with shotty.Opinions? Also I'm proud of the title.
Theory: They're killing melee vet and making vet be a full ranged character and no longer jack of all trades because Sister of Battle is going to be the new Jack of All Trades and do shooting and melee
>>581657774Oh there's a node for the missing 15 toughess?
>>581658139in the old tree, theres three nodes for toughness, two 25 and one 15, theyre all gone in the new tree and ogryns base toughness went from 75 to 125
So lore-wise it's a Police Shotgun since it got replaced by the Combat Shotgun.
Is Vet toughness just completely gutted now?
>>581659178I don't think so, it just means you can't just press F to Gold Tough out of a bad spot.
Lorelet here. Can an ogryn beat a space marine?
>>581659260The patch notes make it look like they took away the +toughness slots and didn't move them into the base amount? Unless it's swigger incompetence again and the info was just left out.
>>581659351Assuming full standard loadout for both and the Marine is competent? In most cases no. In a straight up hand to hand fight? Nearly always yes
>>581657974Skitarius is the new hybrid class. And, well, Ogryn too.SoB will be a dual wield class.
>>581659490Yes, vet lost small 15 toughness node and optional 25 toughness node (optional because not everyone took both 25 toughness nodes since veteran was starved for points)
>>581659739Unfortunate
>>581659495What do SMs think of ogryn? Do they look down on them as they do on most human?
>>581660097I think it depends Marine to Marine. Those with gentler hearts see them as loyal and simple lugs happy to do what makes the Emp'rah proud. But of course there's those that either think they're just oxes at best, and burdens at worst.I mean Ogryns are more or less big toddlers if they don't have Bone 'ead implants, far as I know.
>my favourite ogryn setup gets like 6 spare levelsHey I guess it aint all bad
>>581657816>Opinions?its midhttps://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/a2c9bff3-e2d8-452d-97c2-561ed06464b0/dfgdgf-2
>>581661150Frankly I didn't think you could make anonymous builds.
>cruncher doesn't get skullcrusherDOA
Do you think the balance team over at fatshart plays the game at all?
>>581661950An anon posted kind of recently showing he bumped into one on malice
>>581661559they disappear after 24h iirc
>>581661950>balance teamYou mean one guy whose eyes glaze over when he has to decipher what the sycophantic playtestgroids write in their trooncord?Yeah he plays malice.
>>581661950>balance team>teamlolThere's like 10 niggas total working on this game still, you think they have a "team" for balance purposed?
>>581662335>>581661150I have to ask, what's wrong with One Motion Swap? Seems like a good hard pick at least for convenence.Otherwise, I can understand everything else. (again I'm not good at build crafting yet, lol)
>>581663148Oh, and why the MK II dueling sword? The IV has the trust.
>>581660097It definitely varies a lot. Like >>581660279 says you have ones that are indifferent to them and only care that they’re loyal and do what they’re told, you have ones that hate them and most if not all abhumans in general, and some that are probably endeared to them and even fond of them. I wouldn’t say Marines look down on most humans either, a lot of chapters discourage that kind of outlook, but they probably do see most of them as expendable, just as they view a lot of other things.
>>581663148its not bad per se, but reload speed is good on shotgunsthey both occupy the same design space (time management) but I rarely catch myself wishing I could swap weapons faster instead of "damn, I really wish I had more fucking bullets in this thing"you can take it over the reload speed, but I wouldn't recommend it>why mk2I hate the mk4, it's boring and has a slightly slower attack pattern, conversely I like the mk4 and the way you can chain attacks on itlisten, I'm not making you do shit, I'm not your boss, feel free to alter stuff and find out for yourself
>>581663148also keep in mind that swap speed is good on slower weapons like bolter or plasma, I wouldn't call shotguns and the DS slow
>>581663663>listen, I'm not making you do shit, I'm not your boss, feel free to alter stuff and find out for yourselfI just like understanding where others come from. That's how we learn and understand better. No harm done. I see yours and >>581663773 's point on it.
>>581663148You take One Motion Swap when you're running the weapons with slower handling like plasma or bolter, or chainaxe, and even in those cases it only buys you a fraction of second's response time. Good anticipation will serve you better and save you a point for investment elsewhere.
>>581639240Rats only flatten with their ears back like that when they're feeling fear or stress or trying to hide from something it thinks is a threat
Considering the new Double Barrel mark. I'd say maybe if it has the same tight choke as the Arby guns have, then maybe it could be used on Zealot mayhaps for distance shooting and close/mid range unloading?More for the sake of just playing with the new mark than anything else.
>>581663932nice to see that you agree with us lol>understandingreload speed on a shotgun is "attack speed", or increase of DPS. also, I said that so you understand that you will never learn to if you dont try and fail, copying from others is a futile errand.understanding comes from analysis. look at the data, how long does it take to swap weapons, and how fast do weapons reload.
>>581664407I meant understanding in general. and it was more in reference to Mk II sword over IV, since I haven't used the Mk II yet. I agree on the try and fail, but I hate feeling like I'm throwing a random game because i'm experimenting. But hey if that's what it takes then so be it.
>>581664335Not necessarily, domestic animals often change their behavior just from exposure to humans. Domesticated dogs for example appear to have stopped seeing human smiles as a threat display (baring of teeth is treated as a threat display by a whole bunch of unrelated animals), some have even learned to mimic that behavior.The rat may have learned that flattening earns it more care and affection from humans.
>>581660652Every single update gives me 3-5 spare pointsI'm approaching the problem where literally all my builds are the same because I can get almost everything I want in each one. It's getting kind of stupid and pointless ngl
>>581664335True. That person is a notorious rat rapist
>>581664594>I'm throwing a random game because i'm experimenting.that's what heresy is for, friend, walk before you runeven aurics are experimental ground for AMs and havocs>ds marks try them all out, there's the one that slams overheads on heavies, there's the light attack combo one with alternating heavies (stab>slash) but you can go H1>L2>H1 and do decent weakspot damageand then there's the mk4 which is just spam lights/heavies vs horde/elitesthe overhead slam mark is fun with backstab builds on zealot, obv its worse than relic/thammer but it's still funthe mk2 has a decent way to cleave hordes, and it doesn't make me want to claw my eyes out from boredom of going L1L2L1L2L1L2L1L2L1L2reload speed while >ammo in gun is good on shotties because the condition itself is ridiculously easy to achieve, tip - if you start at 0 ammo, interrupt your reload after 1 bullet (either by aiming or weapon swapping) - and you'll get the bonus, it doesn't update the "is ammo in gun" state while loading
>>581664382I think the only usecase for a new db mark will be a scum with unload talent (I forgot if it's still in the game or they removed it)
>>581663148It does fuckall because the part of swap process it affects is very short. There is "you hide one weapon" step, then swap step, then "you pull another weapon out" step. Don't ask me why it's like this.
>"Veteran should be considered 'the' ranged class"Okay give him a single good ranged weapon then why is skittle mogging him so hard in weapon and shooting specialized active ability.Skitte with ACD and arc gun will control ranged enemies better than veteran could ever dream of doing.
>>581669247i find shoot people as vet to be more fun, theres just something off with arc rifle
>>581669573>just something off with arc rifleit fires either too slow to be truly a wave of lightning (like smite, for example), or too fast to feel like lightning bolts
>>581669247Is this elaborate bait or are you just retarded?
>>581669753No? I'm just trans.
>>581669728>too fast to feel like lightning boltsThe alt fire needed to be a charged bolt.
Is it odd or is it intentionally a nothing burger Fatshark vague post from the teaser poster Moebian Steels has nothing to do with upcoming update?
>>581671093Veteran never bends and you should retvrn to infantry lasgun.
Ok I need to ask here because I feel I'm going crazy.Is there some new bug where pinging anything has like a 2 second delay? Like everything else I do is fine, no lag or anything. But when I tag or ping, there's a delay.
>>581673392Works on my machine, you got any mods that interact with pings?
>>581673392Just ping 2 seconds earlier
>>581671093how much we bet they simply used a screenshot of an endgame pose
>>581574337They did, finally, address most of the feedback in the first major patch after entering early access. With the core of the game in a good place. The game needs a lot of polish and content.
>>581605113micro-sprinting to out-damage the thunderhammer was dumb
>>581590431no one said that
>>581676013I'm not usually one to steamcharts doompost, but this seems like it's too little too late. They'll need to either blow up on social media with a really good update, or make sure their 1.0 is fucking awesome, to recover from the blunder that was early access.
>>581575598americans relate better to player vs player shooter games because it reminds them more of their school life.
>>581673891Zero mods.
>>581676485You literally said that.
>>581677161
>>581676704Columbine was a 2p 'tide game thoughever
>Crusher gets a variant>Old crusher doesn't get buffed, or at least got its speed nerf reverted
>>581676485>its such a shit game with no melee (its all just light attack spam)He was thinking it with a comment like that. Darktide is above all a horde shooter/slasher, if you're not killing lots of enemies very quickly, the game is straying from the genre. I get wanting melee to last longer, tide combat is very good and has the potential to be a lot more, but the tide games themselves are not the games to do it with. The power multiplier you get from actually interacting with combos and timings is advanced as the combat should get.
>>581679916>I get wanting melee to last longeragain with this shit. no one said that.read the green text in your own post again i said theres no melee in this game. if you're really trying to infer a bunch of shit from my post atleast assume that i think ranged is far to prevalent, which is in fact my actual opinion.you niggers really just conjure random ass words out of fucking nowhere
>>581680184>i said theres no melee in this gameThere's plenty of melee in the game, melee is literally the cornerstone of the game. Perhaps you should be fucking clear about what you mean if you don't want people making assumptions trying to read between the lines of your vagueposts.>i think ranged is far to prevalentIt's not. The only way you could think it was is if you weren't playing maelstroms or havoc where there's literally not enough ammunition to shoot everything.
>>581680362there is nothing vague about my post lmao you just havent taken your meds.
>>581680436>its such a shit game with no melee (its all just light attack spam)This is vague. What do you mean by no melee when there is? What do you mean by light attack spam when combos are a thing?>shit enemies.This is vague. Shit in what way? This says absolutely nothing.>fatshart is only ever going to make shitty ranged focused games from now on after the success.This isn't even correct, since tide games have an overwhelming focus on melee. Only veteran and ogryn aren't really built for it, and even those classes still benefit from diving into melee on occasion. There is literally no point above heresy where you can just ignore melee combat altogether. So you're just spouting vague and incorrect bullshit really, worse than the mysterious priest.
>>581680747>>its such a shit game with no melee (its all just light attack spam)this is entirely self explanatory (its all light attack spam) gee i wonder what i mean by that maybe i mean thats its all light attack spam???????? i cannot be bothered to read the rest of your post. you can finish this conversation in your head, thats what youre going to do anyway.
>>581680886>(its all light attack spam)Except it's not, that's just how (You) play it. Try figuring out combos.
>>581676165>woah there, the worst class in the game is doing more damage with one of his new weapons compared to his old weapons?>this needs addressing right now
>>581605113didnt they nerf another some other micro sprint bullshit in the past already
>>581605113youre supposed to only use your ranged weapons, no having fun with melee!!!
>>581650429I tried some Auric not long after making that post and only succeeded in 2/4 attempts, and I think that was in part due to having good teammates.The main thing that struck me was how quickly you go down compared to even Damnation, though I was playing Psyker.I will check our the mulch build
>>581630426Heavy sword works just fine for vet
This game is clearly not made for a guns only guy so why are they trying to force vet into that>"our stupid fucking playerbase play vet like that and die every 3 seconds on malice so maybe that's how it should be"
>more relic blade bait>retarded arguments about semantics>schizo projectionsCan you faggots stop falling for the ratjeet please
>>581671093Wouldn't surprise me if it was a teaser for some future update concerning moebian steel. But it'd be weird release a teaser of it so early, so it might just be that fatshark made this post not as a teaser but as a generic social media post.
time for some lazy sunday snorevocs..
>>581683387>why are they trying to force vet into thatBecause it is what veteran is meant to be. It is the dedicated ranged class for the game.However since they are clearly nerfing veteran in this upcoming update, it will just have an effect where after the update releases everybody will realize that veteran just got entirely kneecapped.And Fatshark will swoop in the hext patches to buff veteran back to being the 2nd best class in the game.
>>581683812>they get paid to do this shit
>>581676704Alright you cheeky cunt you got me
>>581664335That's a hamster
>>581683812>they are clearly nerfing veteran in this upcoming update,A lot of tax nodes are being removed, freeing up skill points. Some specific build archetypes got "nerfed", and also got +3-4 skill points on top of it.Vetsissies can't even theorycraft right. Fucking retards.
>>581684217>A lot of tax nodes are being removed,Which for other classes are being baked into other nodes but not for Vet ;^)
>>581684217Didn't they steal like 40 toughness away?
>check youtube to see what people are saying about Vet being gutted>ACTCHUALLY YOU GUYS VET IS FINE :^))))))))
>>581684417it only affect melee builds, and even then its hard to justify taking them over something else, if youre actually shooting youll have more toughness now, because instead of the mandatory 15 its 25 toughness now, so you should hit about 200 toughness
>>581684217Most of the tax nodes didn't get applied to vet as a baseline.Deleting 40 toughness from all vet builds is a lot, especially if not giving some back by compensation in something like auras giving you flat +25 toughness.It's weird to me that fatshark didn't do that in this skilltree rework, we already have skitarii that has +25 toughness in all of his auras. Meaning it is a mechanic/thing that already exists and they have done.Even ogryn would've benefitted from this a lot. Just make it so that each aura is flat +25 toughness so all auras remain equally good.
>>581517715Fuck Sweden
These changes to until death sound neat
>>581684451Idk mr estrogen video kind of swayed meMaybe doomposting is just acting chinese..
>>581684417>>581685101>Deleting 40 toughnessYou're acting as if every vet build ever took every toughness node, which is incorrect.
>>581686149he's still chilling for darktide despite being booted out?
>>581683679>>581683467>>581683387>>581669247>>581678817I look like this
>>581686067neat, but weird, im not sure about the flaming attacks because even if youre using fotf, most melee weapons are slow so its hard to reach the cap, maybe it needs to scale with attack charge time or something, and im not sure if its worth spending the ammo to reach it either
>>581686304I don't care if the fire damage is an inefficient/wasted node, I'm gonna take it cause it's cool
>>581664382Depends on whether the double blast can still obliterate a corridor of ragers and shotgunners, and how reliable the aimed single shot is at killing gunners and specials.
>>581686369its not if youre using a really fast weapon like knife, it just not very good if youre spamming heavy attacks like what eviscerator or hammer want to be doing, it just feels like an oversight
>>581684451Vet is actually going to be incredibly good because it'll take less investment to put brittleness on a marksman's focus build. That's huge.
>>581687274Isn't it the job of the new uncanny strike?
>>581686497Evis special applying loads of fire would be so cool
>>581687330Yes and no. Because ranged lasgun builds will have innate brittleness stacking without gimping the vet. You won't have to build stacks and exploit them in 5 seconds, you'll just be able to stack and maintain full brittleness on all armor with infinite ammo lasguns at basically no risk to yourself, that's well worth the piss spillover adjustment. So expect this to be nerfed quickly.
>>581671093They're one of the more healthy regiments on the Imperial side after the 21st got decimated by pozzed stims, so they get a little more screentime as the main supporting regiment.Them mentioning Moebian Steel might just be a nod to their roots as a Moebian regiment or that we're in progress of making Real(tm) Moebian Steel(tm) tanks to turn the darktide
>>581687274>>581687564Onslaught isn't that good sadly. It only applies 2.5% brittleness per shot. It's pretty bad.
>>581687274>>581687564i dont think so, theres a lack of crushers now, that its hard to justify and even then focus builds already chew through crushers fast enough that youll probably kill it before the brittleness starts to matter, which means bosses are the only ones actually affected by this change, but who cares, theyre not very dangerous
>>581687887For 5 seconds, any lasgun can make that rate. A recon las will max it out in under five seconds. It's less useful lower fire rate weapons, but most of the lasguns benefit from this and now won't have to waste points on melee nodes.
>>581688015Only the reconlas will benefit from this.All other lasguns won't ever use it because the fire rate on all of them sucks.
>>581688395If you say so. I say you're gonna see the node used a lot more.
>>581687887>>581688015>>581688395You are ignoring the fact that this works on monsters, and having an easy, ranged source of brittleness on monsters is a welcome DPS boost. Taking longer than 5 seconds to apply it isn't a huge deal here.Even the slow firing recon las, and las pistol, can make use of this (even if the brittleness helps your teammates more than yourself in case of the laspistol).
>>581688469you can do that helbore with two shots, it wasnt that crazy
>>581688626>unintelligible ESL unrelated to the topicEvery three seconds, huh...
>>581688626Brittleness on its own isn't crazy, no. You don't seem to understand what its position on the new tree actually means for vet builds. It used to be buried behind melee nodes that would require you to sacrifice ranged damage to get, now it isn't buried behind melee nodes. Understand?
>>581688626the hellbore isn't crazy in general...
>>581688829I saw a youtube video when a guy did really well with it..
>>581688969>if he plays wellHe was cheating.>if he plays bad but still finishesHe was carried.No one is good at this game.
Don't feel like playing Darktide while waiting for the update, playing the mass effect trilogy insteadYears laters, the nostalgia...
>>581689184Holy mother of projection
>>581688469>You are ignoring the fact that this works on monstersThe thing is that many other classes and weapons are better applying this than Onslaught ever will be.Like even aurics an ogryn with a GG or Rumbler will apply the 40% brittleness in 2 shots.Or use a ripper gun with can opener (i know a meme blessing) and apply 40% brit in 1 stab.Nevermind that ogryn has Brutish Strength which allows him apply 40% just by pushing, also he doesn't need to stagger the enemy to stack it up, you only need to hit the enemy with the push.Bolter also has shattering impact which isn't ideal but it's not terrible. Like arbites with a bolter usually takes puncture and shattering impact for boss damage and to help with team wide damage against bosses.Even Helbore has the Armourbane which lets you apply 30% brittleness in 1 shot, so it again only takes 2 shots to max out brit on a boss.Onslaught is just terrible as it is now and only worth it on a reconlas build which isn't terrible but it's not the greatest thing in the world either. Onslaught COULD BE good if it was like 4 stacks of 2.5% brittleness. Then it would at least be competitive with other shit in the game.
>>581689657Eh I'd probably still run it on laspistol. I'll have to see in practice what the new skill tree feels like, I don't want to theorycraftsissy without seeing actual breakpoints in action.Ultimately I think it'll be more of an auric pick than a havoc pick. With all of the maliceshitters in auric (and all the returnfags shitting up the pool with the upcoming update) nobody is going to have any worthwhile debuff in auric, so it has infinitely more value there.
>>581688787that doesnt change the fact that its whatever, and only affects bosses which are not very dangerous in and of themselves, and is something you can do already with helbore
>>581689589I think, therefore (You) are.
>>581689463I miss ME3 coop
>>581689589You cheated + got carried regardless.
>>581689884you can literally test it out right now in the psykarium, this hits most of the damage points for a focus build
>>581691564>that skill treeYeah I don't need to test anything, you went fucking hard on the damage talents lmao.I meant more specifically that I don't want to fuck with calculating what nodes and what changes have what practical impact. I suspect the veteran tree change to actually be an overall buff, I'll just reserve judgment until I actually get my hands on it, in game. Also we don't know for sure whether the preview reflects the final version of the changes. Maybe the collective sino meltie will pressure fagshart into reverting some perceived nerfs.
>>581685101Losing toughness is a bit sad but I'm more miffed about the stamina and stamina regen node lossesI don't care if it's not meta, I am a slut for stamina stuff
>>581691751well the only practical impact would be felt in utility talents, you have more room to pick good stuff that you wouldnt normally be able to pick, like reload speed, or more toughness regen, or covering fireand it is buff for ranged, their toughness is going up, and i dont think melee builds bothered to take extra toughness, on top of the fact youre just flat out getting a +25% bonus to ranged damage
>>581692271>on top of the fact youre just flat out getting a +25% bonus to ranged damageThe overall increase in ranged damage, and talent accessibility, will likely make a surprisingly big difference for hitting breakpoints in h40 with bolt pistol, boltgun, and plasma gun. I don't play vet in h40 anymore, but I do most of my psykhanium tests in h40 settings, and I notice that getting bolts and plasma to hit gunner breakpoints is a fucking chore. SHOULD be relatively easy after the damage buff. Maybe +10% elites will finally be viable again.
>>581691446I loved playing melee focused builds with the Krogan hammerguy and the guy with the crossbow.
>>581691446I played this a whole bunch on ps3 and had a great time
>>581691446Bioware had one job with their demaster collection
Weapons specialist status?
>>581693317Sub-optimal unless you're REALLY good at juggling a revolver as a melee build, and also really good at melee vet, which is bad otherwise.Fun with the DB shotgun.
>>581693414I meant after the skill tree changes
>>581693631WS isn't being changed much, and the tree is becoming much more accessible overall, isn't it? I don't suspect the update will make a huge difference. WS will still be the hallmark of a useless shitter because it implies the shitter will obsess over melee. This means that WS is basically exclusive to really good players, but likely still an auto-decline in h40 unless you know the vet to be a good player.This is irrelevant to auric. Just play what you enjoy, it's not that serious. If anything, it probably became stronger in auric because the skill tree is more open now.
>>581692032Yeah losing stamina and its related nodes sucks too. It also nerfs Deadshot a bit.Also what hurts veteran a lot too is that the +15% melee damage is now out of the way and it will be hard to justify taking it over other stuff, many people don't think about it but that lack of 15% will make veteran's melee feel much weaker than it is now.Doesn't help that most melee weapons just aren't designed with veteran in mind, this over all will have an effect where it forces veteran into even smaller selection of melee weapons.
It's a bit odd that they didn't buff veteran's tankiness a bit seeing that they took away 40 toughness.Even now the only real DR node he has is Iron Will. The +10% TDR stat node exists but it is competing with +25 flat toughness which is just better because it helps you keep Iron Will active for longer. Basically more over all toughness you have more leeway you have with Iron Will before it turns off.If you have only 100 toughness in total you will only have 25 toughness before you start taking full damage.If you have 200 toughness in total, that 75% is now 150 toughness left, meaning you basically doubled portion that can absorb damage before your Iron Will turns off.
>>581697234They're expecting the extra toughness from the shout piss toughness node to compensate and call it a day
>auric rolling steel>me unga>team so bunga I burn through 6 (six) servo skull chargesWhite textHow is this even possible, one of these retards forced his way upstairs and got dogged on the same stairs twice. Do these shitters not learn?
>>581697917Should've backed them up shitter
What the hell am I supposed to do with plasma on vetDo I save it for the biggest guysDo I spam unchargedIs it even worth bringing still
>>581697917New players get overstimmed whenever you have to stay in one location basically, they haven't learned what to do or where to stand and are just default to kill chasing. It's not like when fighting on the move because they at least know mostly that all they have to do is follow the point man, and that's usually someone who's pretty experienced.
>>581698779You go bowling with it. If you see a bunch of targets lined up, you fire a shot. If you see carapace or unyielding, you do a charged shot. Otherwise you spend a little time in melee and let the weapon cool off on its own. Exploit ranged cleave, the bolter works the same way, it's just more versatile for less damage.
>>581676704funny but also this>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8bgxDmjZwpg
>>581698779You take one motion and embrace weapons specialist revolver juggling but with a big gun
>>581697234you have enough points to get the 10% tooyou should be at ~200 toughness after the change if youre stacking toughness curios
>>581697840Which is hilariously dumb because them nerfing veterans toughness and then BUFFING VoC is just only going to make both Piss Vision and Infiltrate just worse because they have less toughness to work with.
>>581699294Taking the 10% TDR isn't worth it compared to all of the other shit in the skilltree that is just better.10% TDR is competing with stuff like Marksman which gives you 20% weakspot STRENGTH for ALL weakspot hits, Skirmisher now which is 25% extra damage that is literally 100% online constantly.The issue for veteran wasn't the lack of damage, it was the lack of survivability because of most of his DR nodes are just toughness damage reduction nodes he doesn't have any health damage reduction. And TDR isn't bad but it doesn't really mean shit because it only applies to toughness and if you run out of it doesn't help you.Was it really that hard to just add a bonus clause or a new skill for vet he gets like 10-20% health damage reduction?
>>581700839They consider the vet's toughness to be his armor, so the choice is probably thematic. He's a squishy normal human once you pierce the armor.
>>581700839out for blood is literally one of the best toughness regen talents aside from passive regen
I have fatshark fatigue.
Voidstrike or Voidblast?
>thammer getting giga buffed>ogryns gets fuckoff CRUSHER hammer>CRUSHER gets a new mark with paul tier mini electro nade explosionBLUNT BROS FEASTING
>>581702520they really are good at completely different things but I definitely prefer voidblast for the great crowd control on elites
>>581702739When are the Saw Bros gonna feast?All the chainweapons feel pretty bad, especially chainsword.
What's the best way to leverage Psyker's Soulblaze talents? I find myself not really using them despite things like Souldrinker seeming really useful. Are they only really worth taking if you're using the flame staff?
>>581702739>>CRUSHER gets a new mark with paul tier mini electro nade explosionYeah the fucking pillow-stick gets an EPIC poxwalker horde killer, which will no doubt be so awesome in malice that they'll forget to buff its otherwise completely worthless stats.
>>581702520the ground pound one
>>581703461the new explosion is on a cooldown and is ogryn power maul tier which is disgustingly strong
>>581702520the bowling ball one
>psykers bitching about not getting new staves>every single existing one is S-Tier or at worst A-Tierwhy are they so greedy?
>>581704235Gameplay variety
>>581704235Because there are like 3 other staffs sitting in VT2 that they refuse to port over
>>581703786>the new explosion is on a cooldownYes.>and is ogryn power maul tierLol, no.The thing that makes ogryn Paul OP is Power Surge. Without it crusher is completely useless.Only reason why you even now bring the OG crusher is to spam the fuck out of the special as you spread skullcrusher and even brittleness with the explosion.And you pair it up with the bolt pistol blessing that buffs ALL your explosions to have 25% larger radius. And you only need to have the pistol in your loadout, you don't need to hold it in your hand for the blessing to have an effect.The new crusher won't be able to do this. And there is 99% chance that the devs didn't even bother buffing the damage profiles on the new crusher so it doesn't suck.
>>581704235>why do people want new weapons to play with?I dunno man, seems hard to figure out.
>>581703324Soulblaze FGS spam is pretty neat too
>>581703324Souldrinker activates as long as the enemy dies and has soulblaze on it.It doesn't matter what kills it, as long as an enemy has soulblaze on it and it dies it will trigger the talent and give you toughness and crit chance.
>>581704471I wanted to do a write-up saying the exact same thing but I was busy doing something else. Good post.
>>581704471>bolt pistol blessing that buffs ALL your explosions to have 25% larger radius. And you only need to have the pistol in your loadout, you don't need to hold it in your hand for the blessing to have an effect.does it work on the skoom? with his missiles and rotten beancans
>>581706795Bolt pistol's blast radius blessing is effectively a character perk that is always active even while holstered, and applies to all explosions. For scum, that is the rocket launcher, and PRESUMABLY the pocket sand, but I'm not 100% certain on the latter.
>>581706882is the tox nade not coded as an explosion?
>>581707987It spawns a ground hazard that has nothing to do with any explosion. It definitely does not work with the bistol's blessing.Should be absolutely trivial to test since, if it did work, you would see a visibly large increase.
>>581708124hm. thanks for the info m8
>>581706795Yes. It applies to all explosions but I am not sure about the chem grenades or zealot fire grenades being included.
>>581708654Neither of the ground hazard grenades is included. I don't think any zealot blitzes benefit from it.
>vet rework revamps the talent tree to let you pick all the good talents and greatly increase your DPS>BUT toughness is slightly reduced and gold toughness is finally no longer gamebreaking>/copeg/ is cryingNever beating the shitter allegations
>me unga
>>581709980It's not just /coopg/, it's all of the vetsissies everywhere. Truly the retard class.
>>581709980Honestly I don't see the issue with the toughness reduction. Then again I actually dodge and take cover, or just out shoot what I can, or retreat to my buddies if it's too hot. I hard agree that having a "get out of jail free" diaper card is always shit in vidya. Like TF2 Pre-Green diaper nerf for sniper.
Ratjeets, our time is now. Ratclick ZINDABAD
>>581709980The changes to piss aren't even that big, you don't get spillover, that's it. You were already dodging instakill attacks even with the gold toughness. They buffed the amount it gives you even higher. Base toughness reduction is slightly annoying, but the additional damage potential more than makes up for it.
>>581709980I don't play vet much, but the toughness reduction is kinda lame.
>>581710802Everyone hypes up the toughness reduction without realizing that you had to go out of your way to pick up both nodes, which most builds don't do. Losing a tiny bit of toughness isn't the end of the world either. Most retards run 3x(17+5)% toughness anyway, they won't even feel the difference because they're busy dying to a single poxburster that bugs out and fails to get pushed lol.
>>581711140I took the middle and right toughness nodes on a few of my builds, but I do admit, I'd rather have the less restrictive restrictive trees while slightly increasing my chance of getting one tapped by a stray pox walker because I'm a blind retard
>>581711969Toughness does a poor job of protecting you against melee anyway. Yes, technically, having more toughness makes you more resilient to the second hit that you take, but that assumes you're playing the game wrong in the first place. One should always treat toughness as purely binary in melee. Either you're full, or you're about to get ROYALLY FUCKED GET YOUR TOUGHNESS BACK NOW. Scenarios where you expect 2 or more hits to come in, likely kill you anyway, in a way that toughness won't save you from. No amount of hypothetical cope or psykhaniumsissying is going to change this hard truth about how toughness works in practice.Toughness is the anti-ranged mechanic and vet isn't struggling for that, since the actually scary ranged units also happen to fuel vet's toughness bigly.
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>>581713048Uh oh melty
>>581709247Stunstorms do according to Kuli's guide, which makes sense, it is a stunstorm GRENADE after all.
>>581713048The pasty scandidog kow tows to the Chinese Dragon
>>581712308Problem is some people still come in treating both Tide game as "L4D but Warhammer" and ignore melee mechanics.Or that unlike Ratclick, Poxclick actually has people firing back at you. ALOT of people firing back at you. Especially on harder difficulties
>>581714112>Problem is some people still play the game wrong like fucking retardsWell yes, it's purely a skill issue. Which only further highlights that the crying vetsissies are just bad at the game.
>>581713579They aren’t doing that though
>>581712308I still think they should've give veteran at least some more base toughness as a compensation since we are losing the +15 toughness node.One thing I'm more confused about is why they didn't bake the +10% reload speed into anywhere that also got rid of. They baked the +5% movement speed into Duck and Dive.
>>581716436>bake the +10% reload speedthe vet literally has a (useless) talent named Lock and Load, +25% clip sizeIt's right fucking there, swedesright there
>>581713048seems to happen to a lot of games now
What the fuck is it with that bridge map where no one wants to help with the soda cans? Yeah I know >me unga team bunga but wtf
>>581720179It's people who straight up don't read objectives or people who expect someone to solo the cans, which admittedly is a very good strategy, if you're playing with an organized team.
>>581720179They're HELPINGGGGG by killing the infinite horde next to the medicae, of course. While somehow going down repeatedly and sucking up all the charges :)
>>581720179Yep, everytime they stay upstairs fighting the hordes
I feel like NMRIH2 on Nightmare is a nice change because its now challenging but also the playerbase has become bigger faggots and getting a successful Nightmare run is even harder now, I noticed I got better runs late night over midday, I have friends on EST (Im PST) I play with and we just couldnt get a good run due to retards unwilling to share their resources and waiting for others to do the objectives.
>>581713048amazin'
Why is hotshot bad on helbores? I thought it was good and have seen people recommend it?
Why are Russians and Chinese like this
>>581725396Helbore is not a horde clearing weapon, why does cleave matter to you? Sure, you'll occasionally need to fire through a couple poxwalkers to hit a sniper, but that isn't commonplace enough to take up an entire blessing slot.Wasn't this the blessing that used to work backwards, and also used to work on the bayonet attacks so you could gigacleave entire hordes with it? They fixed that, and thus killed the bayonet meme entirely btw.
>>581714214More or less yeah. But you see it on a couple of others. Like the Zealot trying to play with Boltguns or Skitty buring out of Rifle or Revolver ammo. I'm glad I whetted myself in Vermintide 2 before Darktide.
>>581725462>japs are mixed despite making up like 1% of playersrorurumao
>>581725598>Helbore is not a horde clearing weaponIt can be if you're a good rifleman.
>>581727613Off topic: How does Japan feel about Warhammer? Fantasy/40k/or Age of Sugma?
>>581728129I went to the warhammer store in Akihabara once and literally every single person there was not Japanese including the employees
>>581728604Just not into it? I guess Warhammer Anime never ever? (Honestly if the Hellsing OVA guys did a 40k thing, that would be sick)
In your aurics or maybe beyond, do you think an additive +10% damage would help you reach any meaningful breakpoints?
>>581728129There are no lolis so those pedos don't give a fuck about it
>>581728129>>581728782Too ugly for japs, no lolis
>>581729147Not even for at least 40k's ULTRAVIOLENCE?
>>581728129The only western fantasy shit that they really give a fuck about over there is Wizardry. Everything else fantasy from overseas is not that popular, they pretty much mostly like their own shit that all derives from ripping off Wizardry (and D&D by vague association).
>>581729053Help me? No. Help veteran as a class? Potentially. The breakpoints for bolt/plasma headshots on h40 gunners are very tight.
Whats the point of brain burst? It takes too lnong to charge to be useful
>>581729514What about from vidya at least? Vidya helped alot of us get into the settings.
>>581729560Passive DPS boost. But if you also take the node that makes it charge faster after ability use, and pop a blue stimm, you can blow up bosses with it. If you go double wall, using both also stacks the buff for even faster pops.It's also semi-viable as your primary weapon in auric, if you go Empowered Psionics and the elite kill node. You can pop a ton of elites back to back. The main problem is aiming. If you aren't averse to cheating I recommend "Emperor's Guidance", it makes brain burst actually playable as a build. Else you'll auto lock onto trash far too often. I have no idea why this isn't in the game by default. Why would you fucking EVER pop trash mobs???
>>581728129As best as I can tell they seem to love it. GW is consistently making big business moves over there and making their own versions and everything. It’s not huge of anything but there’s definitely a healthy interest.
>>581720871Usually it's easy enough win a nightmare lobby with 2 other decent players, some objectives will require resets with drawing zombies out or letting shitters die. Played about 15 matches since the patch and only had to EE once, it's only manageable because people are terrible at looting.>>581727954It's annoying the havoc mass increase makes the blessing and talent obsolete.
>>581729560It's handy on distant targets like snipers. You don't need to keep line of sight for it to work. Just get it going, get behind something, then *POP* goes the weasel.Also that one talent that makes any damage hit against elites/specials pop their heads. It's why you see some psykers use the Accatan piss laser.
>>581729402They don't really particularly care for that.
>>581730037GW genuinely has good sculpts and plastic for hobbyists, just retardedly overpriced, which isn't attractive compared to domestic model brands which are way cheaper in their absolute dogshit economy, and japs are too honorabru to get recasts from based chinks or ziggers.
>huge lone wolf buffYO FUCK YOU DAWG
>>581731027>recasts from based chinks or ziggers.MMMM YUMMY LEAD
My friend told me that the OG classes are finally getting a huge arsenal upgrade with new weapons. Can't wait to finally use the melta on zealot, the longlas and heavy stubber on vet and the autocannon on ogryn. Love when they add some unique and fun ranged weapons :)
>>581731478Are you licking your figurines?
>>581733108
>>581671093they probably asked chatgpt for ideas to promote an update that has no content
>>581684889>100 + 25 = 200
>>581733659You're forgetting that every toughness slave runs 3 toughness curios with an additional +5% on them.
>>581686234The ones that did havocs comfortably and were not permanently rolling on the ground, in fact, took all base toughness nodes
>watch trapper net fly directly through psyker shield into me like in a slow-motion movie scene well that's new
>>581733864>The ones that did havocs comfortably and were not permanently rolling on the groundactually take at least one health curio and usually only one +toughness node. 2 toughness nodes and toughnessmaxxing curios IS common enough, but those are the ones that have a tantrum when blight shows up, and instantly die when a burster goes oopsie.
I don't care about the nerfs, I'm just happy about the poxburster change
>>581738413they still haven't fixed the audio problem
>>581521684Voice of Command is the only worth while talent compared to the other two. It's what makes the Vet viable on Aurics and higher level Havoc missions. Fatshark is notorious for only "balancing" on the lower difficulties and outright stated that these fixes aren't aimed at Auric or Havoc. All they see is people using the talents in Heresy and Damnation and see a problem. It's why any balances for Havoc take a fucking year to happen, both Rotten Armor and Hexbound Daemonhost were horrifically unfair modifiers when they first released.Rotten Armor on higher Havocs could spawn 30 Crushers, Rangers and Maulers after players have taken them out.And Hexbound Daemonhost could spawn in the next area without giving them team the ability to deal with the Cultist.
>>581740693>Voice of Command is the only worth while talent compared to the other two. It's what makes the Vet viable on Aurics and higher level Havoc missions.Pissvision is legitimately very strong, it just requires teammates who don't need the shout diapy, and actually keep your ass safe, meaning it has a high skill floor that effects the entire team. Having never been in a lobby with a great pissvision vet just tells me you are bad, run dogshit builds, and get declined from good lobbies.
>>581741531Pooped inside his ass
>>581740693>viable on Auricsnonsense, exe stance is op in auricsauric is not a challenging difficulty
>>581741531>Pissvision is legitimately very strongIt's supposed to be. It's the teams insurance policy when 30 gunners and 5 bosses spawn against the team. If Fatshark truly wanted to nerf it, they would've just given it a longer cooldown time.
Pissvision is just not that fun to use in Aurics. It was kindaaa fun near launch when people still had trouble with gunners.
>>581740693>Voice of Command is the only worth while talent compared to the other two.I think this is one of the realities many people just ignore as an ability it benefits the team, staggers all enemies even bosses which opens them for skullcrusher and in general solves one of the main weaknesses veteran has which is both melee and enemies surrounding you and then beating you like you owe them money.No, Piss Vision realistically is not viable in any Darktide content. It does buff you ranged damage but veteran already fuck ton of ranged damage even without piss vision anyway so you don't need it. Nevermind Marksman's focus exists which at max stacks gives you anywhere from 75% to 112.5% ranged Finesse STRENGTH, this keystone alone makes exec stance unnecessary.So exec stance isn't just pointless, but on top it doesn't help the team directly as much and the stance just doesn't cover the class' main weakness.Then don't forget that using this ability you have to basically trust your team mates (a mistake) will cover you, which happens basically never.Infiltrate on the other hand is basically a meme ability. It's genuinely just a shittier version of shroudfield with none of the utility or damage.Only thing Infiltrate lets you do is revive your team after they die. Which you would help prevent in the first place if you just ran VoC.
>>581741531>and actually keep your ass safeWhich basically never happens in pubs, both auric and havoc, which is why you are better off running VoC.Because trusting the 3 enemies you call your team mates is 1 of the biggest mistakes you can do.
>BRO CHORUS IS GUTTED BRO>reads description>provides unkillable to allies in coherency while channeling W H A T
>>581743198>veteran already fuck ton of ranged damage even without piss visionIt really does not now. It will have fuck ton of ranged damage after the update though. Still not as much as skit but good enough to use ranged and bring shout.
>>581729053Breakpoints are a memeThere is shitloads of temporary conditions that apply that will change breakpoints in real time
>>581746789Are you seriously saying that vet lacks ranged damage when bringing shout? Are you another one of those "never plays anything other than H40 with blue stimms and rotten armor" people?
>>581747470Yes, vet lacks ranged damage when bringing shout.Yes, it is silly to evaluate stats in anything that's not h40 because I outdamage any auric shitter in aurics with any build, doesn't mean any build is good
We need to make /H40g/
>>581745169down from literal invulnerability my friend
Starcraft: ZergtideClasses:The MarineThe FirebatThe ReaperThe MarauderThe GhostFight me.
>>581749928>The MarineExclusively played by noobs who use stimpaks at the wrong time and die>The FirebatThe worst class, but played by autists who somehow make it work>The ReaperThe knife zigger/elf of the game, played exclusively by tryhards who fly ahead to chase special kills and die due to being made of paper>The MarauderJack of all trades played by casuals and explosives enthusiasts>The GhostEither the most overpowered or a meme class depending on its abilities
>>581749928That's all I wanted that new game to be but instead we somehow get fucking StarCraft far cry
>>581749928What are you gonna do about melee though?
>>581750643Marines get a bayonetReapers have a fast pistolwhip Firebat and Marauders get an AOE shoveGhosts get a katana like in Nova Covert Ops
>>581750953>katanaA FUCKING PSI-BLADE
>>581750415>>The Firebat>The worst classit's only shit in Starcraft due to how targeting and attack windups work in this game
>>581751765That's for the 'tosstide sequel featuring the Zealot, Dark Templar, Adept and Ascendant
>>581752501PROTOSS ARE SHIT THERE I SAID IT THEY'RE LAME, BORING AND NOBODY LIKES PLAYIGN THEIR CAMPAIGN
>>581749928Wouldn't Protoss make for a way more fitting 'tide protagonists?Generally agile and melee focused with some ranged capabilities and psychic abilities for more creative gameplay abilities.Not only that but they are generally way tougher and less numerous than Marines and their entire gimmick is fighting Zerg.So Protoss with Zerg (melee swarm) and Terran (ranged swarm) factions to fight would make the most sense for a 'tide gameplay.
>>581753150Because the average casual dad gamer prefers to play a White male human fighter. Your idea is shit, Dreamboy, what do you have? a degree in fucking poetry? WE NEED TO SELL GAMES
>>581752627No, Alarak is the best thing from Protoss.
>>581750623>StarCraft far crywat
>>581758073New StarCraft creative director, Dan Hay, worked on Far Cry series starting from 3 as producer.
>>581753678Even people who aren’t those things prefer to play as those things
>>581758073its most likely to be a fallout like game since they called it a narrative open world shooter
>>581758526That was from early access, people can restart over again and again with the default choice rather making a new character everytime.The infographic they release, elf and half elf are as high as human.https://baldursgate3.game/news/community-update-23-here-s-to-you_83
>>581758526I never understood the shitstorm this image caused.
>>581759412bg3 is very loved by queers and they can't fathom people playing white male human
>>581759412Dangerhaired types are offended by the very idea that the average person identifies with the most average person ever because it assumes their ilk doesn't exist.
>>581760102>>581760452But the shitstorm was on /v/ because this somehow insulted them...?
>>581760967/v/ is /b/ with a Gucci belt, why do you think we have /vg/ ?
>>581759282Interesting. It does make their reaction look silly though. That’s still pretty high too.>>581760967I’m assuming it has to do with the dev comment.
>>581758861Holy shit most people can't get past the tutorial!
bleh
>>581728129Japan has a good number of Warhammer stores, including the flagship Warhammer Café in Akihabara, as well as a number of independent retailers, so clearly it's enough of a growing market that GW is investing in it as someone already mentioned, and this isn't a recent thing either, Japan is the only place in the world, that's ever gotten a region-exclusive release from GW (temporarily). Japan already has a huge hard on for model miniatures in general like someone else said so it’s no surprise they’re fond of 40k. Korea on the other hand, is near totally barren as far I understand it. Not sure what the situation is like in China but they seem to like Darktide? Lol
>>581766590>>581766590>>581766590>>581766590>>581766590new
>>581765324Do you have anything else to say, slab?
>>581739682>He hasn't played enough to know sounds by even the lowest decibilNot like it's hard to hear a CLONKing noise. Or looking for the unique animation of said specials.
>>581733108>>581733274>>581731478You look like that
>>581745169>BUH IT DOESN'T PROTECT ME FROM OVERHEAD CRUSHER SLAMS >:CCC
>>581749928On the one hand that wouldn't be unwelcome.On the other hand>Modern BlizzardNo thanks. Not even with the "muh woke/chud" culture war garbage. Just after the whole lawsuits and Bobby ruining Blizzard for me.
>>581758073During a recent bunch of Blizzard announcements, two big things were unviled. Warcraft Forever, and a Starcraft game that's described as a first or third person open world game. Far Cry wasn't specifically mentioned; but it's the most obvious comparison that comes to mind for many.We'll see once we ACTUALLY get some game footage.
>>581758861Charge your phone nerd
>>581766374Would be crazy if the market ever got so big that Nippon became an actual army.
>>581749928>a bunch of gunslopGive me Protoss Zealot or give me death.
>>581749928>40k but gayNo thanks
Is chemical dependency on Hive Scum bad?
>>581758861Looks nothing like any of my guys
>>581767823>>581773431This this this
